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He was a hard working small business owner, 55 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.080 an army veteran, an attentive lover, and a doting father. 56 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:04.719 But he was also something more, something sinister, A master 57 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.199 of deception. He was a rapist, arsonist, and bank robber, 58 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.560 and a new breed of serial killer, one who studied 59 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:12.639 other killers. 60 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:17.520 To perfect his craft. He methodically buried kill kits containing 61 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:20.759 his tools and murder years before returning to reclaim them. 62 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.719 Viewing the entire country as his hunting grounds, he often 63 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.800 flew across the country to distant locations where he would 64 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.599 rent a car and drive hundreds or even thousands of 65 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:35.199 miles before randomly selecting his victims. Such were the methods 66 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.080 and madness of serial killer Israel Keys. Such were the 67 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:42.919 demands of the Devil in the Darkness. The book they 68 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.120 were featuring this evening is Devil in the Darkness, The 69 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.000 True Story of serial killer Israel Keys, with my special guests, 70 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:51.919 journalist and author J. T. 71 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:52.360 Hunter. 72 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:54.879 Welcome back to the program, and thank you for agreeing 73 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:55.479 to this interview. 74 00:03:55.919 --> 00:04:00.879 J T. Hunter, Thanks for earing back. Then, thank you 75 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:01.680 very much. DT. 76 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.479 Another amazing and wild story you've gotten your hands on 77 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:10.479 and good for our audience and myself. So thanks very much. 78 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.319 Let's start with We're going to jump right into this 79 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.759 because there's a lot to cover it. It's a very 80 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.959 very strange and odd and unique tale. Let's first talk 81 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:32.160 about Bill and his wife Courier, and so let's talk 82 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:38.240 about let's talk about this couple and what they were like. 83 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.079 Because she was forty nine years old and Bill fifty five, 84 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:43.519 and we're talking about they live in Vermont. So tell 85 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:45.600 us a little bit where they're living in Vermont and 86 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.600 what this couple is like. I'll tell us a little 87 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.079 bit about this these people. 88 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.720 Okay, yeah, Bill and Lorraine Courier, As you said, they 89 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:59.439 were living in ethics Vermont, which is a smaller town 90 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:05.279 not far from Burlington, and they were a married couple 91 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:12.639 living together and Bill worked at the University of Vermont 92 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.639 there in Burlington. He was an animal care worker technician, 93 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.879 and Braine worked in the medical field also in the 94 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:23.680 Burlington area. 95 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:23.959 There. 96 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.439 Now these people. You open the story basically or soon 97 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.920 after in the book, you talk about Diana Smith calling police. 98 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.480 It's her brother and sister in law didn't show up 99 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.959 for work. And then a police are alerted. So take 100 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:48.000 us to where the police are at this investigation. They've 101 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.319 been called and they go to the home. Tell us 102 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.839 what they find, what their conclusions are. 103 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:55.519 Tell us about that. 104 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.600 So when the police were called about had this missing 105 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.759 person report, and they showed up at the courier's house 106 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.160 and everything looked fine when they first arrived there, they 107 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.480 you know, they started looking around the perimeter of the 108 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.399 house there, and they peered into the garage one of 109 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.360 the windows into the garage, and they noticed that there 110 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:25.160 was broken glass on the floor in the garage inside 111 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:31.000 from the door connecting the garage to the house. Turned 112 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.680 out it went from the garage into the kitchen of 113 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:37.000 the home and the glass had been shattered out from 114 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:42.279 that door, and they went from there. They went inside 115 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:48.040 and they saw that it look like somebody had broke 116 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.639 the window with a crowbar from the garage. And then 117 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:54.519 we're able to unlock and open the door that way 118 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:58.000 and get access to the house. And when they went 119 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:02.240 inside the house, it looked looked like everything was pretty 120 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:04.720 much where it should be. It wasn't as if someone 121 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.680 had ran backed the home or anything like that. But 122 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:11.839 both Bill and the rain they were both missing, and 123 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:13.279 their car was missing as well. 124 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.600 Now the police canvassed the neighbors and some of the 125 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.079 neighbors said they had heard a gunshot around nine pm 126 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:29.680 and someone had spotted someone driving the Courier's Saturn. They 127 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.000 said a lone man was driving and there was a 128 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.120 former cop was the witness. An accompass it sketch was 129 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.319 made as a result. But tell us, again, this is 130 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.480 a series of very frustrating things. But Detective Murdy was 131 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.759 curious about this tipster. So tell us what happened with 132 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.560 this tipster and what seemed to be a pretty promising 133 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:48.600 lead early on. 134 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:54.439 You're talking about the tipster of seeing the car being driven. 135 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:57.279 Yeah, it was a former police officer. 136 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:03.480 Yeah, Yeah, they had that information come in and you know, 137 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.879 it turned out that they weren't sure how accurate that 138 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.040 ended up being, but they did end up doing so. 139 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:12.920 They ended up finding the car abandoned a few days 140 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.879 after the couriers were abducted a few days after they 141 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:21.759 reported missing. The car was found abandoned by a dumpster 142 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.800 in a parking lot parking lot of an apartment complex 143 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:30.240 in Essex. There So they did ultimately recover the car, 144 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:36.440 but were not able to at that point ascertain the whereabouts. 145 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.120 Still a bill on the rain. So it was a 146 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.159 very frustrating case, as I think you mentioned, especially for 147 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:47.759 the chief detective involved in the case, George Murdy up 148 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:51.799 there in the Essex Police Department, just really no solid 149 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.600 leads whatsoever in the case. It was very perplexing case 150 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:55.960 for him. 151 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.120 And they ran to the normal things. 152 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.320 They checked to computers and checked where they these people 153 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.120 might have run into a potential perpetrator. And Murdy did 154 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:10.320 call someone and had a consultation with the behavioral analysis 155 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:15.120 unit in Quantico. And so what did the case, what 156 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.759 did it look like in terms of amateurism, and what 157 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.480 did it look like in terms of what did they 158 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.759 have as a result of the crime scene itself. What 159 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:28.840 real evidence of any did they have after this, Well, there. 160 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.159 Wasn't really a lot of evidence for them to go on, 161 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.960 and that's part of why it was so frustrating. I mean, 162 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.240 they had they had the evidence of the obvious break in, 163 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.799 and there were some things missing from the home. For instance, 164 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.840 Lorraine was known to have a handgun that was missing 165 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:49.039 from the home, but a lot of things weren't weren't missing, 166 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:54.759 and there wasn't a lot of evidence to try to 167 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.639 connect to anyone. So that's what made the case so 168 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.720 frustrating for the officers working it. And as you mentioned, 169 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:04.159 they to consult with the FBI, the Behavioral Analysis unit there, 170 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.159 and they did get a report back from the FBI 171 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:11.000 and that and the FBI made a bunch of suggestions 172 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:17.480 and you know, offered their theory as to what sort 173 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.519 of person may have done this. And one of the 174 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:23.440 things the FBI advised Essex Police Department to do was 175 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:29.080 to look into some of the activities that Bill and 176 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.559 Lorraine were involved in. For instance, Bill was online quite 177 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:34.519 a bit, so they wondered, well, maybe did he meet 178 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:39.080 somebody online somehow that led to this, and you know, 179 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.759 Lorraine had become very vocal. 180 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:44.960 With respect to. 181 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.720 Conservative values and things, and so they wondered to somehow 182 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:53.919 speaking out about this and somehow attract somebody's attention. So, 183 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.840 but there wasn't any real solid leads, and the FBI 184 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.919 had even offered the opinion that it was somebody that 185 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:07.919 most likely had known them, because it would really be 186 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.879 out of the ordinary, be quite extraordinary for it to 187 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:12.519 be some sort of random abduction. 188 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:22.679 Now you jump to Anchorage, Alaska, and you describe and 189 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.279 then you show a photo in the book as well 190 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.840 as very interesting when you think of a coffee place, 191 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:31.960 but this is an actual coffee stand that's sitting out 192 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:36.679 in the streets, basically according at least according to the photo. 193 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.399 So tell us a little bit about these coffee stands 194 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.600 in Anchorage, Alaska, this common ground and a young girl 195 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.600 that's eighteen years old named Samantha koning Yeah, So. 196 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:53.120 The couriers that disappeared in June of twenty eleven and 197 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.960 then in February of the next year, of twenty twelve, 198 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:02.039 Samantha Konig, who was eighteen year years old and who 199 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.759 worked at one of these coffee shops. As you mentioned, 200 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.879 these coffee shops are pretty common in the Anchorage area. 201 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:13.159 They're scattered around the city, different locations. And she worked 202 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:17.240 at one called common Grounds, and it was stationed near 203 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:21.440 a major intersection, in a parking lot at a major 204 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:25.240 road intersection there in the city, and she worked there. 205 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.240 She had been working there for a few months, I believe, 206 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:34.600 and on a night in February, she was working there 207 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:39.240 by herself, which was the common practice there at night. 208 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:47.879 And Israel Keys had scoped out the particular coffee shop 209 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.360 a few days before and decided that he was going 210 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.360 to do something to it. At first, he thought he 211 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:59.399 would just rob it whoever was working there, but when 212 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:03.799 he ended up actually going to commit the robbery, he 213 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.080 decided to take it further, and he ended up abducting 214 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:10.759 Samantha Koonik from the coffee shop there at gunpoint. 215 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:14.679 You describe the whole. 216 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.799 Thing because you have the benefit of having that incredible 217 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:22.080 access to the information and won't give away how that happens, 218 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:27.679 but at least you describe. And again this is the 219 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.440 most moviesque portion of the book, I would think, and 220 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:34.000 so profound is that he's at the stand but he 221 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.600 realizes that there's someone across the street at a car dealership. 222 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:43.279 And Samantha is eighteen years old, and obviously this person 223 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.279 is older and more experienced. So what does this person 224 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.840 do to abduct someone? What does he have to what's 225 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.200 the process he has to do to be able to 226 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:57.600 get her to comply, not have this person be suspicious. 227 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.120 You take us that into that in the book. Tell 228 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:04.919 us what really happens and how to illustrate early on 229 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:06.679 this killer. 230 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.399 Tell us what he does well. 231 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.879 The coffee shop, it's it's the type where they have 232 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:15.399 the order window where you can drive up in order 233 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.000 and then you drive off, or you can walk up 234 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.879 to it to the window and order. And so he 235 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.480 walked up there close to closing time and had had 236 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:29.200 his own cup or mug for coffee, ordered to coffee, 237 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.840 and then as she was fixing it, he pulled out 238 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.279 the gun, told her to turn the lights off in 239 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:38.679 the store, which she did. And you know, one of 240 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:40.960 the kind of tragic things was it turned out that 241 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:46.000 right next to the light switches was the alarm for 242 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.039 you know, an emergency. And you know, you can imagine 243 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.600 though this eighteen year old girl, she's frightened at her 244 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.000 with someone holding a gun on her. So she didn't 245 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.600 think to trigger the alarm there, but she turned the 246 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:02.080 lights off, and he he noticed, as you said, this 247 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:03.840 person in the car across the way, so he just 248 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:09.240 kind of calmly stood there and talked to her and 249 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.000 kind of acted like, you know, he was her boyfriend 250 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.279 or some sort of acquaintance or friend or something, and 251 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:18.039 they were just kind of chatting until the person in 252 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:21.120 the car finally decided that must be what's going on 253 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.039 in fact, and then drove off and left. And then 254 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.159 once the person in the car left, Ke's jumped in 255 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:32.279 through the window and tied up Samantha Konig, using these 256 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.879 plastic cable ties, tied her hands and bound her and 257 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:40.519 then ended up walking her back to his truck, which 258 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.159 he had parked not too far away in a parking lot, 259 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:48.080 and took her away in his truck. And you know, 260 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:53.159 and along the way he they encountered some people out 261 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:55.519 going to stores and parking lots, you know, not too 262 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.799 far away from him. But he stayed very calm throughout 263 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.440 the whole thing. Had the gun there, and that got 264 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.039 her in the truck, even after she tried to get 265 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.480 away one time. And then they drove around for a 266 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.279 while and he ended up taking her back to his 267 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:14.759 actual residence, which was the first time that he had 268 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.080 done this sort of thing. He kind of had a 269 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:19.440 rule that he wouldn't take any victims anywhere near where 270 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:23.440 he lived in the area he lived, but he got 271 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.000 a little brazen and more bold as things went on, 272 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:27.799 and so he took her back to his house and 273 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.919 put her in a shed that was adjacent to the 274 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:35.159 house there and ended up sexually assaulting her and ultimately 275 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:35.759 killed her. 276 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.840 Now you talk about a heartbreaking part of it is 277 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.159 her father, James Koning, didn't like her working alone in 278 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.639 this and didn't even like her working at this place 279 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.799 at all, had some kind of instinct that something might 280 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.639 be He was very protective of her. He raised her 281 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:02.679 himself as a single dad, and they were very close, 282 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.720 as you talk about in the book. And so she 283 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.839 also part of this compliance is is that he explains 284 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.480 to her, he convinces her that this is a ransom. 285 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.279 So tell us a little bit about what she says 286 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:20.960 about the phone call and about her dad and what 287 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:24.559 she tries to do to try to worm away out 288 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:28.000 of this situation, and what he tells her to even 289 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:32.039 be more compliant and compliance is what's really turning them 290 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:33.519 on about the situation, isn't it. 291 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:41.039 Yeah, as you said, he in order to keep her calmon, 292 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:48.519 to have her be compliant with his demands, he did 293 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.720 spend the whole thing as being an abduction purely for 294 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.359 a ransom, and that that's what he was after. He 295 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.359 just wanted money from her family. But all along, you know, 296 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:04.720 he knew it was so baloney. He really wasn't the 297 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:09.400 reason for take for taking her, but he did. He 298 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.880 did tell her that was the reason and set set 299 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:15.440 this whole thing up so that she would believe that's 300 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.119 what he was going to do, so that she would 301 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.880 you know, she wouldn't freak out. You know, obviously she 302 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:23.960 knew he was planning on raping her and killing her, 303 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:28.160 then she probably would have been a little more aggressive 304 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.039 in her actions to try to get away. At one point, 305 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.279 even when they were in the truck together stopped at 306 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.440 a stop light, a patrol car from the Anchoraged Police 307 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.359 department pulled up right next to them, so you know, 308 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.559 her potential rescuers were literally a couple of feet away there. 309 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:50.759 But you know, she she didn't do anything to draw 310 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.480 draw attention to what was going on. Because you know, 311 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.759 one she was afraid, obviously, and then two she thought 312 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.200 she did what this guy said that you know, she 313 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.680 would eventually be let go. He would let her go once, 314 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:04.839 you know, the ransom came. 315 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.000 Now, she was eighteen years old. She had a boyfriend 316 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.519 named Dwayne, and Dwayne she had given up her truck 317 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.799 to Dwayne so that because he didn't have a vehicle, 318 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.119 and she said, well, her cousin Dan would pick her up. 319 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:24.720 But unbeknownst to her, the boyfriend Dwayne was going to 320 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.880 pick her up and wanted to pick her up. And 321 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:31.319 so tell us a little bit about Dwayne and him 322 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:33.559 going to the stand and leaving work. 323 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.559 Yeah, as you said, he didn't have a working vehicle 324 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.400 at the time, so she let him take his take 325 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.359 her truck to his work, and he decided he was 326 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.200 going to come by and pick her up after work 327 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.759 because he didn't trust the person that was supposed to 328 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:53.599 pick her up will be doing it. So so yeah, 329 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.519 he came by the coffee stand after she had been abducted, 330 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.279 and of course found it. He found it dark, all 331 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:05.480 the lights were off, but nothing really stood out that 332 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.640 there was anything to be particularly alarmed about, because it 333 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:11.880 looked like as far as he could. He it looked 334 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.319 like she just closed the coffee stand down like she 335 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.480 normally did so, but he did. He did stop by there, 336 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.960 and he stood there appearing in the window, trying to 337 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:23.680 trying to find her, and texted her and called her. 338 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:28.119 And of course meanwhile these texts and phone calls were 339 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:32.160 going through to her phone that Israel Keys now had. 340 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:43.039 Now you go into great detail because again we have 341 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.039 access Israel Keys, pardon me this, well, I've given it away, 342 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:53.240 but obviously we mentioned his name. Anyway, Israel Keys, the 343 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:58.440 very unique killer. And of course, like many, they want 344 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.839 to talk later at some point. And this part of 345 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.960 the fast fascinating part of your book is again access 346 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:11.240 to that kind of profound and shocking information. You talk 347 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:16.279 about how she tries to deal with him when she 348 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:19.519 realizes and she asks the question, and so I'll get 349 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:22.480 you two to say what she asks of him and 350 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.000 what his reaction is, and then the contraption. This guy's 351 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.839 a very handy person. He's we'll talk about his skills later, 352 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.119 but tell us what he has set up so that 353 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.799 we understand the magnitude and the I guess the uniqueness 354 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:38.400 of this killer. 355 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.240 What he's set up as far as you're talking about 356 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:48.240 the shed, yes, So he had given a lot of 357 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:50.559 forethought to what he was going to be doing. And 358 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:54.119 you know, he was one of these organized serial killers 359 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:56.440 plans these things out well in advance, So he had 360 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.359 done this ahead of time, and he had prepared the 361 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:03.039 shed for ringing whoever it was he ended up abducting. 362 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.880 Back over there, he had, you know, he had the 363 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:12.240 floor lined so that there wouldn't be DNA evidence left there, 364 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:15.480 and he had the whole thing set up for a 365 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.880 sexual assault that he intended and and what he would 366 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:24.000 be doing afterwards. And you know, once she got in 367 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.160 there and realized that he was planning on raping her before, 368 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.640 she tried to talk him out of it and pleaded 369 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.039 with him, and you know, offered some some things to 370 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.759 him and his uh which you know, I'll. 371 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:38.279 Leave for the book. 372 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.440 But he he he kind of laughed it off, basically, 373 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:46.559 and and just went ahead with what he planned on doing. 374 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:53.240 Now, he strangles her, and he stuffs her in his cabinet, 375 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.279 and he knows that the temperature is enough to be 376 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:59.279 able to preserve her. That's what he believes. He stuffs 377 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.799 her in, puts a top and then he leaves. But 378 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:05.000 where does he go and how long does he go 379 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.559 for before we talk about the incredible and bizarre thing 380 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:11.359 he does when he gets back. 381 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:15.400 Yeah, so after he killed her, as he said, he 382 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.839 stuffed her in a shed in a in a in 383 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:21.680 the shed there, he had the cabinet there he put 384 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.440 her in. And you know, it's Anchorage, Alaska in February, 385 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:28.079 so it's it's cold. So he felt confident that her 386 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:31.200 body would just kind of be preserved there by the cold, 387 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:35.480 kind of a natural refrigeration, which which it did ultimately. 388 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.599 But yeah, he after he did that, he he caught 389 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:43.839 a flight to Texas and ended up going on a 390 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:49.960 cruise out of New Orleans and then flew back to 391 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.279 back home, back to Anchorage about ten days later or so, 392 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:01.119 and got her found her body there's frozen solid where 393 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:06.400 he had left it, and he actually took it out 394 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:11.240 and had the body start fawn out, had some heaters 395 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.000 out to help thought out, and did some did some 396 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:20.359 things to it then not only a very disturbed person 397 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:24.839 would do, and then ultimately ended up dismembering the body 398 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.599 to dispose of it, dispose of the body parts, which 399 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:36.160 he ended up doing he in a frozen lake not 400 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.920 too far outside of anchorage. 401 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.240