Speaker 1: Well, let's see if I remember how to do this
Speaker 1: back inside here to get the desk and lighting. And
Speaker 1: I've even installed like new shelving since I did the lighting.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shoot, I got it. Readjust all this.
Speaker 1: We're back here. Anthony was asking like, how long has
Speaker 1: it been since you guys have done the show? Five weeks?
Speaker 1: Last time Jason and I did a show was week fifteen.
Speaker 1: CFL been traveling a lot with work and talking with
Speaker 1: Jason offline and obviously all the guys Anthony Miller, who
Speaker 1: scheduling knows is going to be on here today. Here
Speaker 1: are lots of CFL been tracking everything. Just I haven't
Speaker 1: been home on a Monday since whatever the last time
Speaker 1: I did it. So do the mat there. But we
Speaker 1: are back here, Anthony. I traveled up to the Homeland.
Speaker 1: I have my football Canada that had on. I did
Speaker 1: the whole thing this weekend. I really did think that
Speaker 1: we ended up not having time Friday night, but I
Speaker 1: was gonna post something that like if the Lions lost,
Speaker 1: I was gonna eat poutine because we've had all these
Speaker 1: things lately, Like you know, if MSU lose, is we're
Speaker 1: gonna eat dog poop whatever, I was gonna do that
Speaker 1: because I figure that's the closest thing Canada has right
Speaker 1: to know. I won't say that, but we have Anthony Miller,
Speaker 1: Anthony Howard, you ser hopping on here today scheduling issues.
Speaker 1: Jason couldn't make it all, but Anthony's here.
Speaker 2: I appreciating on Everything is good. CFL seasons coming to
Speaker 2: a close. We're in the final week, so playoffs are
Speaker 2: going to be interesting. I know we got some seating
Speaker 2: that we need to kind of figure out. But it's
Speaker 2: been a wild ride this season for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll do we'll kind of do a deep
Speaker 1: dive here, a little bit into, you know, just the
Speaker 1: weekend games. We'll do full play by play. I was
Speaker 1: at the BC Lions game, share thoughts on that, lots
Speaker 1: of thoughts on Nathan Mork and Brendan Adams and all that.
Speaker 1: I hung out with Farhan and Jim Mullen. I saw Blake,
Speaker 1: one of the other CFL content creators at CFL fan Fanatic.
Speaker 1: I think as the account saw them as well. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, taking care of as always by the BC Allions.
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Speaker 1: to play the SUP at Radio Row. I'm sure Anthony
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Speaker 1: thoughts here of the season, you know, Winnipeg still in front,
Speaker 1: Like what do you think here? I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've had you on one of these recaps, so kind
Speaker 1: of like bird's eye view thirty thousand feet, what do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I think the I would say the Winnipeg's been the
Speaker 2: most impressive team.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about a team that started two
Speaker 3: and six. Everyone thought Zach Klaris was washed.
Speaker 2: This was an offense that was could not get anything
Speaker 2: going in the passing game, even though their defense was
Speaker 2: still among one of the best. But they hunk tough
Speaker 2: and they were able to kind of ride out the
Speaker 2: season and now they're on top of the West Division
Speaker 2: and really one went away from winning the West Division titles.
Speaker 2: So I've been very impressed with what Winnipeg's done. Sasketchewe,
Speaker 2: I really think Corey Mays needs to be up for
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year. I think he's done a phenomenal
Speaker 2: job with the Saskatchewan team. This was a defense last
Speaker 2: year one of the worst in the league, and he
Speaker 2: was able to, you know, have him in the top four,
Speaker 2: you know, consistently throughout the season, the job he's done
Speaker 2: with you know, Trevor Harris, he has shown some improvement
Speaker 2: this season. Uh, this is a very balanced offense and
Speaker 2: defense between Saskatchewan and they've really come on strong here
Speaker 2: late in the season. So, I mean the West Division,
Speaker 2: I know the records don't really show like it's that great,
Speaker 2: but it's a it's been a really competitive division and
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more talent there than we think.
Speaker 2: I would also say, like kudos to Hamilton. I really
Speaker 2: think this has probably been the best team in the
Speaker 2: CFL over the last month or I think on a
Speaker 2: they've won for the last five games. This was a
Speaker 2: team that you know, unfortunately they got hot at the
Speaker 2: wrong time, but you know, they've been super competitive throughout
Speaker 2: the last month or two. Bow Levi Mitchell has been great.
Speaker 2: He's kind of found a resurgence in his career. You know,
Speaker 2: a month ago I was called for maybe Bo to
Speaker 2: maybe retire at the end of the season, go join
Speaker 2: TSN and started his broadcasting career. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he's he's shown to probably be the most consistent quarterback
Speaker 2: in the CFL and probably has bought himself another year
Speaker 2: or two if he wanted to play in this league.
Speaker 2: So it's a shame that Ottawa is in the playoffs
Speaker 2: because I'll be honest with you, I would rather see
Speaker 2: Hamilton in the playoffs because I think that team is
Speaker 2: better overall offensively and defensively than the Red Blacks are,
Speaker 2: especially since Chris Jones joined to do the defensive play calling.
Speaker 2: I know Eminton Elt fans are kind of still have
Speaker 2: their feelings about him, but he has done a lot
Speaker 2: for this Hamilton defense. I think they're allowing five or
Speaker 2: six points less with Chris Jones calling the defensive plays,
Speaker 2: and they weren't before him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, those are the teams I've been most impressed with.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's disappointed that Hamilton's on the playoffs
Speaker 2: because I really think they probably deserve it right now
Speaker 2: over Ottawa.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's I know we've Jason and I have
Speaker 1: talked about that before, both online and off of you know,
Speaker 1: it's a shame that Hamilton always seems to start so slow.
Speaker 1: I just because they really dug themselves so much of
Speaker 1: a hole here earlier in the season right to be
Speaker 1: able to come out and do that now. And like
Speaker 1: you said, with Ottawa and we were tracking what was
Speaker 1: that the earlier in the game Saturday when I was
Speaker 1: trying to get Yeah, we were getting to the BC
Speaker 1: Lions game and all that, and we had it up
Speaker 1: on the phone. I'm like, uh, you know, for a
Speaker 1: game that really could have got you home field advantage here,
Speaker 1: you know, you they do really well at home right
Speaker 1: kind of support their fans really came out laid egg.
Speaker 1: I know it looked closer at the end, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk through all that, but yeah, I really felt like
Speaker 1: Ottawa I had a lot of momentum there for a while,
Speaker 1: and then, like you said, with Saskatchewan, you know, really
Speaker 1: started hot right well were they four and oh five
Speaker 1: and zero? And then really, you know, Trevor Harris, kind
Speaker 1: of the injuries, all that really kind of slumped and
Speaker 1: they're really the resurgence here to hold on the second place.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of people aren't very
Speaker 1: high on BC's chances going in there and trying to
Speaker 1: win and then go to Winnipeg. I guess we'll kind
Speaker 1: of do a playoff preview later, but thoughts on that,
Speaker 1: I mean, how much better do you think Saskatchewan is
Speaker 1: in BC right now?
Speaker 2: I mean, defensive way Saskatchewan is better than where BC's at.
Speaker 2: I think all season, like the Lions have good individual players,
Speaker 2: Like I know TJ. Lee has been kind of in
Speaker 2: and out of the lineup, but I really think him
Speaker 2: and Ben that linebacker or like two of the you know,
Speaker 2: they're two of probably the best players on that defense.
Speaker 3: But that secondary is an absolute mess.
Speaker 2: I mean that that defense has been prone to allowing
Speaker 2: big plays all season long, and it's really hurt this
Speaker 2: BC team.
Speaker 3: Especially Like even at the beginning of the.
Speaker 2: Season when Verdon Adams and that offense was really rolling
Speaker 2: for them, they still had a lot of issues on
Speaker 2: that defensive side of the ball. And you know, they
Speaker 2: could have done probably a lot more in the offseason
Speaker 2: to kind of offset that, but they just didn't do enough.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's ultimately going to cost them,
Speaker 2: is that they just don't have enough playmakers on that
Speaker 2: defensive side. And even with Matthew Betts, Like Matthew Betts
Speaker 2: has actually been disappointing. He's only had one sack in
Speaker 2: the last what four or five games that since he's
Speaker 2: returned to BC, Like he hasn't really been an impac player.
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure the Lions were hoping for it, so
Speaker 2: they you know, they they they were too late on
Speaker 2: making the moves they need to with bringing in Nathan
Speaker 2: Urick and Matthew Betts because those guys I haven't really
Speaker 2: played as well and they spend all this money on
Speaker 2: them and it just hasn't really recuperated for them.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna need to do a lot.
Speaker 2: Of work in the offseason because I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: their chances are at this season with the talent they
Speaker 2: have well, and BC.
Speaker 1: Is really that I don't know. I want to do
Speaker 1: a deep guy here in a minute talking all this
Speaker 1: and Nathan and everything else, but yeah, you wonder, at
Speaker 1: what point is it kind of a sunk costs And
Speaker 1: you know, you're hosting the Great Cup and you're doing
Speaker 1: all this and you're spending all this money. But I mean,
Speaker 1: they're setting this stuff up now, especially with Nathan's contract,
Speaker 1: you're going into the next two years, and if you
Speaker 1: couldn't done now, and you couldn't get it done two
Speaker 1: years ago, and I know Nathan was sure, but if
Speaker 1: you couldn't pay Nathan fifty thousand dollars and have all
Speaker 1: Star wide receivers around him and now then you're gonna
Speaker 1: be paying him the highest paid player of the league,
Speaker 1: and then you're still wanting to replicate that, Like I
Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, I talk about disappointing for
Speaker 1: the Lions, and I've told Jason offline, you know, we
Speaker 1: were doing podcasts every week the last month. I probably
Speaker 1: would have gotten in trouble with things I said, just
Speaker 1: of how upset that I've been about it everything, and
Speaker 1: it's it's really been disappointing, and even talking and I
Speaker 1: won't say names, but we went to far Han's party.
Speaker 1: Far Han, a friend of the show, got inducted into
Speaker 1: the BC Football Hall of Fame with his after party
Speaker 1: talking with some of the people from the team, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what do you and like they
Speaker 1: didn't even really want to talk about anything, and you know, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of okay, Like this feels like
Speaker 1: this is kind of a cluster right now. And I
Speaker 1: was just kind of interesting to kind of get the
Speaker 1: feedback on that in terms of I guess where do
Speaker 1: we want to start do we want to start with?
Speaker 1: I guess we'll go chronologically through here Bo coming back
Speaker 1: in playing the game of his lifetime. Here I guess right,
Speaker 1: big Bo revenge game. What did you make of that?
Speaker 1: We don't need to do a super deep die, but really,
Speaker 1: I mean Bo looks like the best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good revenge game for him, especially
Speaker 2: since Hamilton lost to Calgary at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: season and both didn't really look back great in that game.
Speaker 2: So this was a massive bounce back for game from
Speaker 2: especially since a couple of weeks ago Hamilton got the
Speaker 2: lights knocked out of them by Winnipeg, So they really
Speaker 2: needed this one to kind of build some momentum into
Speaker 2: going into this final week and then building Really for them,
Speaker 2: it's about building momentum going into twenty twenty five and
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what pieces they have because I'm
Speaker 2: sure this, I'm sure Hamilton about you know, since you
Speaker 2: since the last time you were on Hamilton was a
Speaker 2: mess and it looked like Taylor Powell was going to
Speaker 2: be the future quarterback of this franchise. Now they're probably thinking, well,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe we have one more season with Bo because
Speaker 2: he's looked like the most consistent quarterback in the league. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's had his off moments, but this was probably his
Speaker 2: best game of the season. You know, he had the
Speaker 2: He did have the one ugly floater that was intercepted
Speaker 2: for a pick six at the at the end of
Speaker 2: the second towards the end of the second quarter, but
Speaker 2: really outside of that, he was lights out. And then
Speaker 2: I mean ton of critic to Greg Bell one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty nine yards rushing for him. He had, you know,
Speaker 2: James Butler's been kind of oddly in and out of
Speaker 2: the lineup. Greg Bell has been a great complimentary piece
Speaker 2: for them. The two of them combined make for a
Speaker 2: really good running game, and I think that's what's really
Speaker 2: helped Hamilton in this backstretch of the season is that
Speaker 2: they have a really balanced attack between you know, running
Speaker 2: the ball and passing the ball, and then again defensively
Speaker 2: there this is a big improvement for them. I think
Speaker 2: twenty points might be the lowest amount of points they've allowed,
Speaker 2: more one of the lowest points they've allowed all season.
Speaker 2: I think major credit has to go to Chris Jones
Speaker 2: for the job that he's really done with the defense,
Speaker 2: and I really think he's earned the right to if
Speaker 2: they wanted to make him the defensive coordinator for twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five I think he's earned that right. But also
Speaker 2: it's a telling sign for Calgary. I mean, what a
Speaker 2: disappointing season has been for Calgary and what a downfall
Speaker 2: for this franchise. I mean, this was a franchise that
Speaker 2: hadn't missed the playoffs in what twenty years since two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, and now they're, you know, the worst
Speaker 2: team in the CFL. I mean, there's gonna have to
Speaker 2: be a lot of questions about Dave Dickinson and if
Speaker 2: he should be even keeping his job. And if he
Speaker 2: does keep his job, he may be like Chris Jones
Speaker 2: and he'll probably be on the hottest seat in the
Speaker 2: CFL going into the next year. So I think it's
Speaker 2: this game was more about how much of a mess
Speaker 2: Calgary is versus how good Hamilton is, because I think
Speaker 2: people already knew that like Hamilton and has turned the
Speaker 2: page over the last month. But it was more about
Speaker 2: can Calgary be competitive against team that's out of the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and clearly they showed they have a lot of problems.
Speaker 1: To them well, and that's the I the issue. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's many issues with the CFL nine teams and the
Speaker 1: playoffs and all the things and the divisions all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but talking and when we were up in Vancouver, Evan
Speaker 1: was there as well, you know, front of the show,
Speaker 1: and Evan was traveling today or I think he would
Speaker 1: have tried to pop in as well. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you have six teams make the playoffs out of
Speaker 1: nine every year, you know, to use that as a
Speaker 1: benchmark of success is interest, you know, is I don't
Speaker 1: know if that is the right benchmark. And we've had
Speaker 1: Brian Valentine on the front of the program and you know,
Speaker 1: with three down and writes for cal you know about
Speaker 1: Calgary and all that, and like even last year as well,
Speaker 1: you know, but we did make the playoffs. Go yeah,
Speaker 1: but then you get bounced immediately. That doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: speak to me a success. And like if you said
Speaker 1: in here, seeing them, you know, regress even more this season.
Speaker 1: You know, they really didn't do anything last year except
Speaker 1: kind of just further extend maybe some of these coaching
Speaker 1: stuff some things into this year, as you mentioned, kind
Speaker 1: of the hot seat there. But it just seems that
Speaker 1: I don't know, like they didn't look good last year.
Speaker 1: You kind of eke in and your cure is kind
Speaker 1: of the long term decisions of that same with Hamilton,
Speaker 1: like Okay, Bo looks good. Now we're were really get
Speaker 1: to devote another year to him? Like statistically you would
Speaker 1: say probably right, and I think he's the past five
Speaker 1: thousand yards And I like that kind of the social
Speaker 1: media they clip how to him, like how did it
Speaker 1: feel to beat your former team? He's like it felt
Speaker 1: really good or whatever he said. And I like seeing
Speaker 1: some of that personality because I think he's kind of
Speaker 1: been drug through the ringer here the last few months
Speaker 1: and years is kind of with the injuries and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I don't you know, you get these late season
Speaker 1: kind of burst and then okay, do we you hold
Speaker 1: on to that promise to next year? I mean we
Speaker 1: saw like I was just watching first take talking about
Speaker 1: the Jets and things, and you know, okay with Aaron
Speaker 1: still you know, got hurt last year. Okay, we hold
Speaker 1: on that faith againto next year. And then it's kind
Speaker 1: of a dangerous situation when you're putting in you know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of planning the year out of these things
Speaker 1: and you'll know where they're going to come about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean last year they went six
Speaker 2: and twelve, Like even if they made the playoffs, It's
Speaker 2: like that's not even a good record, Like that's one
Speaker 2: that's the worst record they had in over twenty years.
Speaker 2: So it's like that that doesn't I mean, yes, they
Speaker 2: made the playoffs, but I don't really think that.
Speaker 3: Should count for anything.
Speaker 2: Like this team has been a decimated mess since bo
Speaker 2: Levi Mitchell left.
Speaker 3: Like Jake Mayer was supposed to be the guy.
Speaker 2: I I don't even know if you bring him back
Speaker 2: next year. I think they probably do, just because you know,
Speaker 2: Dave Dickinson ends up you sticking around as a head coach.
Speaker 2: They need to have somebody who's familiar with it.
Speaker 3: But PJ.
Speaker 2: Walker is gonna come in there and compete. I think
Speaker 2: he could be the guy who ends up taking this job.
Speaker 2: But Calgary has to do something about quarterback because that's
Speaker 2: where they're the biggest mess right now. Like Ddrich Mills,
Speaker 2: I think it's perfectly fine as a running back. He's
Speaker 2: top five running back in this league. You know, they
Speaker 2: have some good receivers on that team. You know, overall
Speaker 2: think offensively they have some of the pieces there. They
Speaker 2: just don't have a quarterback. And obviously Matthew Schultz is
Speaker 2: not the guy. You know, they brought him in the
Speaker 2: beginning of the season. They brought him in the offseason
Speaker 2: thinking he was gonna push Jake Mayer. That that didn't
Speaker 2: really push the needle at all. Even though I think
Speaker 2: Jake Mayer played better this year than he did last year,
Speaker 2: I still think like the quarterback position is something they
Speaker 2: got to take care of. So, you know, do they
Speaker 2: bring someone into the off season, you know, maybe Verim
Speaker 2: Adams if he ends up being available, do you bring
Speaker 2: him in. You know, they have PJ Walker, who's good,
Speaker 2: I think legitimately going to be the guy who's going
Speaker 2: to push Jake Mayer, and I think it's better than
Speaker 2: Jake Mayor. So I think that's where kind of Calgary stands.
Speaker 2: They need to figure out who their quarterback is next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I like that for PG Walker and we've
Speaker 1: talked about that. What was that a week or two
Speaker 1: ago he got added on there and obviously kind of
Speaker 1: late this year. I don't know if we see him
Speaker 1: elevated to try to get him any sort of whatever
Speaker 1: before the end of the season. But Calgary needs to
Speaker 1: figure it out. And I'm curious, like you said, with
Speaker 1: the hot seat there, you know, we'll we'll talk lions
Speaker 1: here in the minute with you know, Rick Campbell and
Speaker 1: all that. Like, you know, the CFL isn't a kind
Speaker 1: of reactionary as the NFL, where you and maybe the
Speaker 1: NFL is two reactionary when you look at like David
Speaker 1: Temper or things like that out like okay, you're out,
Speaker 1: you're out. We need someone else needs and us where
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if if BC wins one playoff game,
Speaker 1: do we keep Rick back next year after all this?
Speaker 1: Like I and we'll talk. I don't know right in this,
Speaker 1: like do we have other options here? Is there a
Speaker 1: big waiting list of people that want to show up
Speaker 1: to be the Calgary Sam Peters head coach? Do we
Speaker 1: elevate someone with BC? Ryan Phillips looked like he was
Speaker 1: kind of you know, coaching his way or coordinating his
Speaker 1: way into being the head coach BC defense. You know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him on a high list right now.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious where we go with that where it
Speaker 1: feels like it's not complacency, but it's like well whether
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it is, because like there'd be
Speaker 1: a lot more work to try to figure out someone
Speaker 1: else here like, I guess we'll just try to work
Speaker 1: with what we have.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think both with BC and Calgary situation, you need
Speaker 2: somebody who knows offense. You need somebody who could be
Speaker 2: able to develop a quarterback because you know, with BC
Speaker 2: you have all the pieces of place. I think the
Speaker 2: offensive line is to miss. You know, the defense needs
Speaker 2: to add some pieces. But you need somebody who's going
Speaker 2: to come in there and fixinate the Rourk because ultimate
Speaker 2: the end of the day, he's probably gonna end up
Speaker 2: being the starter in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2: But Calgary same thing, like, you need somebody who knows
Speaker 2: the quarterback position and can bring either bring someone in
Speaker 2: or you develop Jake Mayer or you develop PJ. Walker
Speaker 2: into that starter. I think with Walker, you I don't
Speaker 2: think you bring him up this year because you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like Hamilton with Tulio Taco Viola, you don't
Speaker 2: want to put someone in there right away that comes
Speaker 2: from the US game and try to learn the Canada game.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just too complicated. You need to give
Speaker 2: him more time to learn it. So I don't anticipate PJ.
Speaker 2: Walker playing this year, but he should compete for a
Speaker 2: starting job. And I again, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: bring in Jake Mayor, I think you maybe go to
Speaker 2: the free agency, maybe find somebody else. But right now,
Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks that are on the roster, I would
Speaker 2: definitely be wrong with PJ.
Speaker 3: Walker. I think he's quite far the best option.
Speaker 1: Well, and he's you know, it's kind of that last
Speaker 1: gas for him to the kind of show. And I
Speaker 1: think he's right at the edge of like maybe affecting
Speaker 1: this and just getting old and you know he's a
Speaker 1: little bit mobile as well and being able to do
Speaker 1: all that. I just I don't know, I know that
Speaker 1: I think it was earlier this season they had batted
Speaker 1: around maybe it was Naylor someone like, you know, the
Speaker 1: kind of the QB college like kind of coaching thing,
Speaker 1: similar to like how the the XFL would do with
Speaker 1: James Palmer right going in there and bring it right,
Speaker 1: am I making up all this in my head, like, oh.
Speaker 2: Jordan Palmer, Yeah, Jordan Palmer, the development of I don't know,
Speaker 2: some development, quarterback development or something like that.
Speaker 1: But they were talking about that, like doing it with
Speaker 1: the CFL as well. And I remember when Naylor was
Speaker 1: on I think it was two seasons ago we were
Speaker 1: talking USFL. He's like, well, it's so hard to come
Speaker 1: into the CFL and it really takes you three four
Speaker 1: years to kind of really get into it, and it's
Speaker 1: a really hard game to learn. It's really hard to
Speaker 1: get used to, you know. Yeah, like you said, okay,
Speaker 1: so we don't want to throw PJ in there, but like,
Speaker 1: if you have this program where you could work with
Speaker 1: people in the off season, right, if you you get
Speaker 1: PJ and you get two of you know, Tooya whatever,
Speaker 1: I can never say these things, but you'll get these
Speaker 1: guys in there and kind of be able to develop them.
Speaker 1: So maybe it won't take you five years to be
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback in the league. Yeah, maybe you can
Speaker 1: do it in two years. I just I think we
Speaker 1: need to see that next progression of these quarterbacks is
Speaker 1: like you said, kind of shuffling around. We do keep
Speaker 1: Mayor back. I think we've seen everything we're going to
Speaker 1: see from him. You see a spark, you know, two
Speaker 1: out of every seven eight times, and then the rest
Speaker 1: of it is just kind of a mess.
Speaker 2: Well, the league I think needs some kind of coach
Speaker 2: to develop quarterbacks, especially in Canada. Like if they really
Speaker 2: want to they you know, Canada loves trede Ford, they
Speaker 2: love Nathan Worke, they love their Canadian quarterbacks. So I
Speaker 2: think if the league really wants to take the quarterback
Speaker 2: position seriously and try to develop like homegrown guys, they
Speaker 2: definitely need somebody like that just for Canadian quarterbacks. Like
Speaker 2: I remember covering the CFL draft this year, there was
Speaker 2: only like two or three quarterbacks that actually went to
Speaker 2: the combine, like they they didn't have really any quarterbacks
Speaker 2: coming in there, and that's a position that I think
Speaker 2: is in desperate need of an uplift, especially you know,
Speaker 2: from the homegrown side of it.
Speaker 3: So I think if you really.
Speaker 2: Want to push for you know, to try to get
Speaker 2: better quarterback developed, the people that were within your country already,
Speaker 2: get get more Canadian quarterbacks in there, because right now
Speaker 2: it's the majority of it is Americans, and you know,
Speaker 2: it may take them a little bit to ramp up,
Speaker 2: but it's just a matter of fact that most you know,
Speaker 2: American quarterbacks are just playing better in the CFL than Canadians,
Speaker 2: and it's just because of how they're developed, you know,
Speaker 2: going up in the rankings of high school and college
Speaker 2: but the CFL desperately needs it if they want to
Speaker 2: get more Canadians in this league.
Speaker 1: Anything else, Calgary, anything else, Hamilton here, I kind of
Speaker 1: end of the season for both of them. I do
Speaker 1: want to talk anything else with them before we kind
Speaker 1: of move on to some of these other teams.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean, I'm just impressed with Hamilton. You know,
Speaker 2: they got a really interesting game to close out the
Speaker 2: season against to Ottawa. I think they have a chance
Speaker 2: to really prove that maybe Ottawa shouldn't be in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: it should be them instead. So I think for both teams,
Speaker 2: they need wins to close out the season to kind
Speaker 2: of build some momentum. I think probably more Calgary than anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't won a game in what two months, probably,
Speaker 2: so they desperately need to get some kind of win
Speaker 2: on the board so they can have something to celebrate
Speaker 2: over the off season. So now, very impressed with Hamilton.
Speaker 2: This is a really good football team and I think
Speaker 2: they're better than what people think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to come in here. I see if
Speaker 1: on need to focus more on U sports Kibis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like I think there's all this weird like CFL
Speaker 1: and they want to do. Like I I hear en
Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes with friends of the show
Speaker 1: that kind of work with amateur football college. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's always seems to be a lot of egos and
Speaker 1: budding heads and things and working together. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm kind of reading into that wrong, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like I even when we were up in
Speaker 1: Canada this weekend and talking like spoiler alert, nobody I
Speaker 1: talk to watch is the CFL, like know what? Like
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to anyone. I even we went to
Speaker 1: the what I'll chronicle my travels here in the midt,
Speaker 1: But you know, even like we went to the bar yesterday,
Speaker 1: we went both days to watch football and I'm talking
Speaker 1: with you know, the manager. He's like, oh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't like I don't whether you you know, I was
Speaker 1: talking to the past four guy that we back lass.
Speaker 1: I checked, like, well what we're what were you here from? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: the CFL game is like the Seattle game, like you know,
Speaker 1: the CFL like the football BC, Like you know, they
Speaker 1: the point is like it's interesting talking through and they're
Speaker 1: talking to people about yes, like more like more Americans
Speaker 1: succeed up there because of the strength of our college
Speaker 1: programs and they have the ratio and because they wanted
Speaker 1: to protect those and that's important, and you know, having
Speaker 1: these conversations with people, it's always interesting because yeah, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: what is there a lot of Americans? Like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: actually a lot, you know, just because like you said,
Speaker 1: because of all that and because we're able to come
Speaker 1: up and kind of get going better, let's talk through
Speaker 1: argos and Red Black Cheer, we can touch based on
Speaker 1: all of those. Uh. Disappointing for the Red Black Cheer
Speaker 1: losing this uh being able to kind of host the game.
Speaker 1: I know, Bemo Field right opened up by saw. Mike
Speaker 1: Cogan tweeted they were opening up more seats for the game.
Speaker 1: So that was good in Toronto. Get a little bit
Speaker 1: of juice for this one. But I would certainly like
Speaker 1: to see Ottawa host the playoff game. Thoughts on this one.
Speaker 2: It's very ironic that Ottawa for like three straight weeks
Speaker 2: had an opportunity to win and get into the playoffs
Speaker 2: and they couldn't do it. And on their bye week
Speaker 2: is when they make the playoffs. Like, this team hasn't
Speaker 2: won since I want to say September seven. I think
Speaker 2: he's been over a month since Ottawa's last one A game,
Speaker 2: so they've been they've been wildly disappointing, and honestly, Toronto
Speaker 2: has been very impressive. Chad Kelly has really come around
Speaker 2: the last four to five games. I think he's grown
Speaker 2: maybe six touchdowns, two picks in the last four or
Speaker 2: five games. He has played a lot better over the
Speaker 2: last few weeks for Toronto. And that defense for the
Speaker 2: Argonauts have been really good. I think that's what's really
Speaker 2: propelled them. That defensive line is just very stout. I mean,
Speaker 2: they do a great job of getting pressure on the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: So major kudos to Toronto. I think they've won three
Speaker 2: straight after going after being like seven and seven at
Speaker 2: one point, so I thought they've played really well Ottawa.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's disappointing because I think at one
Speaker 2: point Ottawa was what seven three and one or something
Speaker 2: like that, like they were, they were one of the
Speaker 2: top teams in this league. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: problem is, you know, losing Darius Pickett on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball was really big for them. They
Speaker 2: kind of lost their leader who has been, you know,
Speaker 2: leading the team in tackles and they they've lost that
Speaker 2: boost on the defensive side because that's where they've taken
Speaker 2: a big hit.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 2: Receiving corps is really good, you know. I think another
Speaker 2: big thing with Ottawa. You know, I don't know what
Speaker 2: happened with the way Kwan ray Kwon Armstead situation. Like
Speaker 2: I know there was something some you know rumors about,
Speaker 2: you know, having issues with I don't know the coaches
Speaker 2: or that. I don't know what it is. But ever
Speaker 2: since they released him, they have no running game. I mean,
Speaker 2: Ottawa cannot run the ball for their lives. And the
Speaker 2: disappointing thing is they're asking a young quarterback like Drew
Speaker 2: Brown who's in his first full year as a starter,
Speaker 2: and being like, hey, I need you to carry this team.
Speaker 2: Drew Brown is not in the place right now where
Speaker 2: he can carry a full team. He's got the talent,
Speaker 2: Like I really think he can be a starting quarterback
Speaker 2: in the CFL, and I think he's got a bright future.
Speaker 2: But it's the first full year and he's being asked
Speaker 2: to kind of carry this team and he you know,
Speaker 2: he's taken a ton of hits. You know, he's been
Speaker 2: stacked quite a bit. He's been injured a couple of
Speaker 2: times this year, like it really hasn't It's been kind
Speaker 2: of an up and down season for him. I think
Speaker 2: there's good potential there, but I mean, I know, like
Speaker 2: not to call out the professor, but Andy Burry's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he threw four and three yards and four touchdowns in
Speaker 2: the game. He played really well, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that was all like garbage time points, Like they
Speaker 2: scored twenty five points in the fourth quarter. The is
Speaker 2: just pretty much, you know, packed it in in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter and just let them come back. So I
Speaker 2: don't really think that's really telling the full story. Like
Speaker 2: I think he's good. I think he had a good game,
Speaker 2: but it's like, you know, most of that came in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. So you know, yeah, Ottawa's been, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the surprise teams of the season, but this
Speaker 2: late season dropped for them is kind of what we've
Speaker 2: seen with Ottawa over the last couple of years. And
Speaker 2: you know, I sincerely hope it can you know, bounce back,
Speaker 2: have a good last week of the season against Hamilton
Speaker 2: and going to the playoffs with some kind of momentum
Speaker 2: where they're gonna have to travel to Toronto again in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing you have, you know, Bob Dice
Speaker 1: there and like I hear both sides on this, like, oh,
Speaker 1: the team was flat, Like okay, maybe Bob, and then
Speaker 1: they'll come out and really playing, like hey see, Bob
Speaker 1: really got him going and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was talking because Evan was out. But one
Speaker 1: of the Ottawa games earlier, I think it was the
Speaker 1: last time they won a game was when that Evan
Speaker 1: was out. I think he was saying, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of talented people there, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, smart people putting together
Speaker 1: the team, and you know in terms of player you know,
Speaker 1: management and all that stuff. I just I'm just I
Speaker 1: can never get a good sense of like how do
Speaker 1: we feel about this and the just kind of Bob
Speaker 1: dies and everything and kind of getting the team ready
Speaker 1: to go. It's interesting you talking about the Jew Brown
Speaker 1: and kind of the run game and all of that,
Speaker 1: because it reminded me obviously yesterday. You know, Jay Daniels
Speaker 1: going down injured in the first quarter for the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 1: It feels like he's gonna be okay. But even with
Speaker 1: Marioda and there and Mario Thea hadn't looked good in
Speaker 1: the other little bit we had seen them this season.
Speaker 1: But having a run game kind of knowing that we're
Speaker 1: able to just kind of and obviously Carolina is a
Speaker 1: horrendous team, and so like, okay, let's say with the
Speaker 1: greatest salt, but you know, having we really have three
Speaker 1: solid running backs at this point that we can send
Speaker 1: out there just alleviates all that where it wasn't like
Speaker 1: Sam hall Lasher with the Commanders, like I have to
Speaker 1: throw fifty times a game to be able to be
Speaker 1: successful here and you're looking, you know, and obviously they're
Speaker 1: coming from behind and all that, but you know, forty
Speaker 1: three attempts here from Drew Brown, I probably not setting
Speaker 1: up for success that way at all. Where you know,
Speaker 1: Toronto always seems to have a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a kind of a well rounded I guess team effort,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, both the run game had passed
Speaker 1: and then obviously the defense taking care of stuff as well.
Speaker 1: But interesting because yeah, Drew Brown started really hot, so
Speaker 1: you think you think he's cooled off or do you
Speaker 1: think the team's kind of let him down?
Speaker 2: I maybe a combination of both. I mean, he's been
Speaker 2: really banked up. I don't think his offensive line has
Speaker 2: really done him much favors. You know, the running games
Speaker 2: kind of dropped off. I mean, the good the good
Speaker 2: news for Ottawa is, look, they have Devonte Williams who
Speaker 2: was injured before the season. He's been out the whole year,
Speaker 2: so when he comes back next year, they'll have one
Speaker 2: of the top running backs in this league.
Speaker 3: So that's at least the good news.
Speaker 2: But for the time being, I mean, poor Drew Brown's
Speaker 2: gonna have to carry this team on his back. And
Speaker 2: you know, at the beginning of the season, he wasn't
Speaker 2: putting up spectacular SATs, but he was doing.
Speaker 3: What he needed to do to win games.
Speaker 2: But now it's gotten to the point where he's got
Speaker 2: to do everything for this team, and I just don't
Speaker 2: think he's at the point of his development where he's
Speaker 2: able to do that. And I don't think he should
Speaker 2: be asked to do that. I you know, it's his
Speaker 2: first full season. He's been the backup at Winnipeg for
Speaker 2: the last two to three seasons, so you need to
Speaker 2: give him time. I think he's got audible in the
Speaker 2: right direction. I think he is a franchise quarterback. I
Speaker 2: do think he is the future for this team. But
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully, you know, with Williams coming back next year,
Speaker 2: that maybe it will get the you know, with a
Speaker 2: decent running game of maybe some help on the offensive
Speaker 2: line and the defense getting healthier.
Speaker 3: Maybe that will help Outawa out.
Speaker 2: But I mean, right now, for this season, I think
Speaker 2: I don't really think there's much hope for this team
Speaker 2: to really bounce back and be legitimate contenders for a
Speaker 2: Great Cup.
Speaker 1: It's just a test. You know, we really went all
Speaker 1: in on the Massoli thing the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and it really feels like this Drew Brown, right, he
Speaker 1: had the big game when Kolaro's went down, or a
Speaker 1: couple like a couple of decent games. I remember, you
Speaker 1: had the one really breakout game last year, and so like,
Speaker 1: you know, you sign them off of that and then
Speaker 1: you see a full season's worth and then I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just don't know what Ottawa does here in that
Speaker 1: because it just feels like they've been searching for that
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. We talked to Hamilton and obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, do they double down on bow again. It's
Speaker 1: not like there's either a wealth of options are kind
Speaker 1: of floating around Vernon or we'll talk through that, you know, Nathan,
Speaker 1: some of them wind up somewhere. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just feels like Ottawa every year is like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterback is in the league, we're not
Speaker 1: going to really compete. And they've obviously had the injuries
Speaker 1: and everything else. It's just been really unfortunate for them.
Speaker 1: It feels like they've really tried the last three years
Speaker 1: and surely just kind of not worked out their way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the problem with the Vasoli is he's getting
Speaker 2: a little bit older, and while I think there were
Speaker 2: moments where he came in in the last month where
Speaker 2: he did provide some kind of sport for them when
Speaker 2: Drew Brown wasn't able to do it, MOSOLEI turns them
Speaker 2: all over too much. I mean, Drew Brown protect the
Speaker 2: ball better than he does, so I don't you know,
Speaker 2: Massoli I think is a really good back of him.
Speaker 2: I think they're solid at quarterback. Like I think you
Speaker 2: give you got to give Drew Brown a little bit
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 3: He's already made.
Speaker 2: He's already made major strikes with his ottawall team compared
Speaker 2: to what they've done over the last three to four
Speaker 2: five seasons, when this team was averaging you know what,
Speaker 2: three to four wins per season, Like, this team is
Speaker 2: actually in the playoffs. So the first time since I
Speaker 2: think it was twenty eighteen was the last time they
Speaker 2: were in it. So he's already made significant strides with
Speaker 2: this franchise. He just needs more time to develop. So
Speaker 2: I think they have their quarterback of the future. It's just,
Speaker 2: you know, get the running game going, maybe you know,
Speaker 2: fix some pieces on the offensive line, you know, get
Speaker 2: your defense healthier, maybe add a piece or two more
Speaker 2: like Ottawa is just I think there are a few
Speaker 2: players away from being.
Speaker 3: A really competitive, great Cup contending team, Darren.
Speaker 1: I see your comment here talking Calgary talking Nathan Argan.
Speaker 1: Calgary will get to that in a second. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like I was just looking at you know, Mizolei's
Speaker 1: thirty two years younger than I am. Trevor Harris is
Speaker 1: thirty eight. I think it's you know, a week younger older.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the math here. We are we are
Speaker 1: old people. I mean, I am at the point where
Speaker 1: I have to put like this, like lotion stuff on
Speaker 1: my ankles because they get inflamed when I like, I
Speaker 1: we are old people. I'm not a professionally athlete trained
Speaker 1: in that way and obviously living in a different health
Speaker 1: regimen and like all of those things. But I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine any of this. And you see, and you know,
Speaker 1: like the trade fourth thing, and okay, we bring back
Speaker 1: McLoud and maybe we should talk Edmonton here too at
Speaker 1: some point before we get off, but like, let's you
Speaker 1: need to start. Yeah, okay, maybe Drew Brown sucks for
Speaker 1: a year and then we get around him and as
Speaker 1: opposed to just these retreads coming back of you know,
Speaker 1: the Mclouds and the bow and the who is the
Speaker 1: other one is Trevor Harris, Like you got to bring
Speaker 1: in kind of a fresh crop here. These guys are
Speaker 1: getting old and it just feels like, okay, and now
Speaker 1: we're going to trade and we're like, oh, this big name,
Speaker 1: I mean, even Vernon, how old's Vernon thirty five? How
Speaker 1: old's Vernon Adams?
Speaker 3: He's in his thirties. I know that for sure.
Speaker 1: Brendon Adams was born in nineteen ninety three, So what
Speaker 1: is that thirty one? Okay, so he's thirty one. He's
Speaker 1: got a little bit longer on there. But like you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like they're all just the spring chickens running around.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like lame like example there. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I just feel like you kind of need to figure
Speaker 1: that out. And we've talked to a quarterback thing and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, But start bringing in some
Speaker 1: more of these this youth here and get these guys
Speaker 1: figured out quick. Making it be you know, five years
Speaker 1: to be able to be a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean miss always had what five million aco
Speaker 2: injuries in his career. I mean, I love the guy
Speaker 2: and I think he can, you know, can still be competitive,
Speaker 2: but like you said, he's like thirty six, I think
Speaker 2: he needs to go. Trevor Harris has played well though,
Speaker 2: Like I'll give him his credit like that. That dude
Speaker 2: is still playing well. He may have a year or
Speaker 2: two more in him. You know, bo is up there
Speaker 2: in age, but he still probably has a year or
Speaker 2: two and in him. Bernard Adams probably has, you know,
Speaker 2: just compared to those guys, he probably has five or
Speaker 2: six years in this league.
Speaker 3: You know. Cody Fujarro is not that young either.
Speaker 2: I think he's in his early thirties like these are,
Speaker 2: but I mean still competing on a high, you know,
Speaker 2: high level, but they the league still needs to find
Speaker 2: younger talent, you know, like a trade for it, like
Speaker 2: a Drew Brown who were in their twenties, then they
Speaker 2: can develop into superstars for this league because they just
Speaker 2: don't have that right now.
Speaker 1: So let's talk through a little bit here of Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little Winnipeg and Edmonton just because they
Speaker 1: were on the bias this week, or it's so weird
Speaker 1: with this, like because who else was on the by Hamilton, Montreal.
Speaker 1: So we had Edmonton, Winnipeg, sask Okay, so let's talk.
Speaker 1: We've done Sask all that stuff. Edmonton, all right, So
Speaker 1: trey Ford's playing next week. I'm looking here. They're playing Toronto.
Speaker 1: Not not a lot to play for for Edmonton. But
Speaker 1: what do you think of the situation they have a
Speaker 1: right they're starting Tray, We got Ada McCleod. Was that
Speaker 1: just kind of overall thoughts kind of put into bed
Speaker 1: this season for Edmonton because they're pretty much out of it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the last I heard, they were trying
Speaker 2: to come up with some kind of negotiation with Tray
Speaker 2: for it to put them in to have a you know,
Speaker 2: extend him or give him a longer contract.
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens with it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, for the love of God, please give
Speaker 2: Trey for a chance, Like, can we give him a
Speaker 2: full season to start, because at this point people are gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, he's gonna have a slow start next year.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, oh, what's wrong with this guy's back?
Speaker 2: Well you were, I don't know. He's been the maid
Speaker 2: of honor for the last for two three years and
Speaker 2: you haven't given him the chance to really bloom in
Speaker 2: this offense. And we all know what the potentially is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say this season, I think the one
Speaker 2: thing he's done really well that maybe he hasn't done
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years is his accuracy. I mean,
Speaker 2: this guy's completing over seventy one percent of his pass
Speaker 2: He's one of the most accurate quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 2: I think he's done a lot more. He's done a
Speaker 2: lot better in the pocket than what he has in
Speaker 2: the past. I think he's really showing that he could
Speaker 2: be an Italy passer. Yes, he has his moments where
Speaker 2: he's turning the ball over, but trey Ford is really
Speaker 2: showing that he can be a passer and you know,
Speaker 2: once he gets held. I know, like this year has
Speaker 2: been kind of weird with his rib injury and they
Speaker 2: probably haven't had more that they haven't had as many
Speaker 2: quarterback designed runs as they probably want with him. But
Speaker 2: when he's one hundred percent healthy next year, like he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a weapon. And he's proven that he can
Speaker 2: be a pocket quarterback in this league. So I think
Speaker 2: Edmonton's really got something in trade board, you know, mccle
Speaker 2: Bethel Thompson, He's had like these weird moments, like one
Speaker 2: game he's like four hundred yards and five touchdowns. Another
Speaker 2: game he's throwing one touchdown in two picks. Like he's
Speaker 2: too inconsistent, and even he's getting up there in age,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. And plus he's been fined
Speaker 2: like five hundred times for complaining about the schedule and stuff.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't even want to come back to the
Speaker 2: CFL because sometimes it just feels like with all the
Speaker 2: complaining he's doing, like I don't even know if he
Speaker 2: wants to come back. I don't know if any team's
Speaker 2: gonna want him back, because I don't know if he
Speaker 2: can compete for a starting job really anywhere else, so
Speaker 2: I don't suspect them. Mcleile Bethel Thompson will be back
Speaker 2: next year. If he is, he's gonna have to probably
Speaker 2: you know, pack it in as a backup. But this
Speaker 2: is trade Board's team. I think they need to build
Speaker 2: around him. I think they have some nice pieces defensive,
Speaker 2: like the running game. They have an elite backfield with
Speaker 2: Justin Rankin to to Kevin Brown to you know, Javon Leak, Like,
Speaker 2: they have so much talent on that backfield, like.
Speaker 3: They're they're they're they're the best rushing attack in the league.
Speaker 2: So they have good running backs, they have a good
Speaker 2: receiving corps, solid offensive line. Defense needs a lot of
Speaker 2: work though, I mean, just one of the worst defenses
Speaker 2: in the league. So if they can fix their defense
Speaker 2: and get that going, I think Edmonton's.
Speaker 3: Got good potential to be competitive next year.
Speaker 1: This is a mess, right, and this is to me,
Speaker 1: is the biggest kind of situation besides the BC and
Speaker 1: kind of what they're going to do there for the
Speaker 1: Darren has I just got Corp's interaction on my shoulders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all old everybody's old. We're all, we're all, we're
Speaker 1: they're getting old. Yes, no, I averrigiate that, like because
Speaker 1: here's the deal, and I was looking at this. You know,
Speaker 1: so you're Edmonton. You pay half a million dollars for
Speaker 1: McCloud to come in to win six games, right I
Speaker 1: I I feel like you could have won six games,
Speaker 1: which ray Ford and obviously the injuries kind of all
Speaker 1: that stuff, the McCloud, the anti CFL and getting fined
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Like, brother, you can pay half
Speaker 1: a million dollars to come up and play football, like
Speaker 1: you know what's going on, Like you know the deal
Speaker 1: with all that. This is why I can't stand like
Speaker 1: any of this, and I don't I don't always buy
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers last night after the game, like well
Speaker 1: we just our energy was low. We didn't Like, I
Speaker 1: don't that Aaron's just kind of talking nonsense. You're kind
Speaker 1: of to throw the blame. But you hear that a lot,
Speaker 1: like the cracking last season, like we had a hard
Speaker 1: time getting motivated. Like you're getting paid like millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: Like you are a professional, Like you need to show up,
Speaker 1: like you need to do your work. I have a
Speaker 1: really hard time with that. The McCloud, I love you. You've
Speaker 1: been on the show. Everyone plays short weeks, brother, everyone
Speaker 1: played short weeks. Look in the NFL, like look at
Speaker 1: the USFL. It could have been a lot. Like I
Speaker 1: can't imagine his living standards and playing standards are any
Speaker 1: worse than it was in the USFL with the Breakers,
Speaker 1: Like I just, you know, let's be realistic here, but
Speaker 1: you've you've so alienated tray Ford. And it's it's similar
Speaker 1: but different, right with Vernon and how BC's handled it.
Speaker 1: But you have a team that's really poorly handled this
Speaker 1: person the last couple of years. And people like players
Speaker 1: are people, they're not just ponds. You can you know,
Speaker 1: my fantasy team and we're gonna start this person this
Speaker 1: week and then we're gonna put this one and we're like,
Speaker 1: if I'm Trey Ford, I would want nothing to do
Speaker 1: with Edmonton. I would want to know there's a big
Speaker 1: market out there. You guys haven't put any you know,
Speaker 1: energy behind me. I have no faith even if I
Speaker 1: resign here, you're not going to try to go out
Speaker 1: and do Like I just couldn't imagine having this person
Speaker 1: that Chris Jones took you know it, moved up in
Speaker 1: the draft to take relegated and relegated and relegated him,
Speaker 1: and then now, oh, let's now we're really ready to
Speaker 1: sign you. I just I would have no faith in that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe in that. I would be very put
Speaker 1: off by how Edmonton's handled it.
Speaker 2: Well it this has to come from Larry Thompson, the
Speaker 2: new owner. He needs to sit down tray for it.
Speaker 2: Be like, look, Chris Jones is gone, that's the old regime.
Speaker 2: I'm a longtime fan, I was a season ticket holder.
Speaker 2: I understand what this team needs. Put your trust in me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 3: The money you need.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you to support you need. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get a new coaching staff in here. We're gonna get
Speaker 2: you some weapons. We're gonna help you out defensively. Like that,
Speaker 2: He needs to sell him on the image that you're
Speaker 2: the franchise quarterback. I believe in you. I've seen you play.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell that other regime was
Speaker 2: doing for you. They ruined you, But I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: you the best quarterback in this league. So I think
Speaker 2: that's the biggest selling point is you use your new
Speaker 2: owner to be able to sell the fact that hey,
Speaker 2: we got a new ownership, this is a new team,
Speaker 2: this is a new day. We're going to build the
Speaker 2: team around you.
Speaker 3: You're my guy.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's a really good Yeah, you
Speaker 1: need to because it's I just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't imagine. I just I always flashed back to
Speaker 1: it last year preseason, like Trey Foard on the show,
Speaker 1: He's on his phone, is it common Wealth the Sunshine
Speaker 1: in He's after whatever preseason practice or game. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm having the best time. I'm like, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be awesome. And then he's not the starter, He's not.
Speaker 1: I just I'll never understand it. I love Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: I love a lot of people. With all of this
Speaker 1: stuff speaking of people I love and teams and everything
Speaker 1: I love. Like, So this BC a Lions thing. We'll
Speaker 1: talk through all this now and obviously Routy Montreal and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I'll talk through just kind of my
Speaker 1: experiences going up, just to give a little color for
Speaker 1: the weekend. But what is your thoughts on just the
Speaker 1: BC Allions as a whole. Like I said, off the top.
Speaker 1: If I've been podcasting the last month, I might not
Speaker 1: have been invited to a BC Lions a game just
Speaker 1: because of everything. Like, so, what are your thoughts, because
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you have a platform as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, So one, I mean.
Speaker 2: This is these are Americans talking about a Canadian quarterback.
Speaker 2: So I want everyone to just relax. This is not
Speaker 2: completely a negative thing. But I mean, first of all,
Speaker 2: offensive line and the defense for BC is the biggest
Speaker 2: problem with this team. I mean it doesn't start with
Speaker 2: the quarterback, It starts with those The offensive line has
Speaker 2: been horrible all season, really.
Speaker 3: Inconsistent in past protection.
Speaker 2: There are some games where they're good, there's some games
Speaker 2: of there where the quarterbacks are getting rocked. So I
Speaker 2: want to make some acknowledge from that defense has allowed
Speaker 2: big plays season.
Speaker 3: This has not been a good secondary. This defense needs
Speaker 3: a lot of help, especially on the back end.
Speaker 2: With that being said, I think Nathan Warrick has the
Speaker 2: potential to be a starting quarterback in this league, but
Speaker 2: this year it just has worked out like he just
Speaker 2: doesn't have the confidence there. And then I think the
Speaker 2: problem is and Rick Campbell, I think deserves a lot
Speaker 2: of responsibility for this he threw him in way too quick,
Speaker 2: Like you don't sign somebody you know who has been
Speaker 2: playing in the NFL for the last year plus, who's
Speaker 2: bounced around between four teams, bounced around four different offensive systems.
Speaker 2: You know, he was literally on two teams during the
Speaker 2: off season, uh, in the NFL and then just tell him, Hey,
Speaker 2: go out, go out and play. Let's see how you do. Like,
Speaker 2: Nathan Warck was set up for failure from the beginning.
Speaker 2: He was given this big contract and the biggest one
Speaker 2: in league history. You're going to be the face of
Speaker 2: this league, you know, a Canadian quarterback. It's all going
Speaker 2: to be great. So I actually feel for Nathan Wock
Speaker 2: because I'm sure he doesn't want this kind of attention.
Speaker 2: He just wants to go out and play, and he
Speaker 2: was just set up for failure.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But with that being said, you know he's had time
Speaker 2: to to, you know, kind of go through the issues
Speaker 2: and try to fix it. I mean, read over the
Speaker 2: last four games that he has started. You know how
Speaker 2: many touchdown passes he's thrown?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, zero. He hasn't thrown a touchdown pass in
Speaker 3: the last four starts, Like even a you know, a
Speaker 3: sub par CFL quarterback would be able to throw at
Speaker 3: least one touchdown during that time. So I hate to
Speaker 3: be so negative about it, but that's a big problem
Speaker 3: when you have a quarterback who can't even throw touchdowns,
Speaker 3: and that's that's been another problem with BEC. They can't
Speaker 3: score touchdowns in the red zone. They just don't take
Speaker 3: advantage of those situations. That's a major major issue, and
Speaker 3: Nathan Wark has to take some of the point for that.
Speaker 3: I would put a little more on Rick Campbell. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's really set his quarterback up for success.
Speaker 2: But you know, Nathan Work has not been great, so
Speaker 2: you know, I think the Allions made the right decision
Speaker 2: going with Verta Adams. It was very clear on Saturday that,
Speaker 2: you know, you can make your argument Montreal probably didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't play their start as a whole game.
Speaker 2: They probably weren't as motivated to win that game. But
Speaker 2: Verdon Adams is clearly the better guy for this offense,
Speaker 2: at least for this year. Let Nathan Work sit behind him,
Speaker 2: let him learn the offense, let him, you know, take
Speaker 2: the off season to work with him, get his confidence back,
Speaker 2: work on some of the mechanic issues that he's had
Speaker 2: and then put him back in as the start of
Speaker 2: next year in twenty twenty five. But I just think
Speaker 2: the way they handled him and then putting Matthew and
Speaker 2: you know, signing Matthew Bets and putting him in, like
Speaker 2: I think, BC just mishandled the middle of this season,
Speaker 2: and they panic because Vernon Adams got hurt. They should
Speaker 2: have What they should have done was start Chase Bryce
Speaker 2: and give him an opportunity, because it seems like every
Speaker 2: time they put in Bryce. I mean, he's completing almost
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of his passes and I think he's
Speaker 2: throwing a touchdown or two this year. He's actually looked
Speaker 2: pretty good. I know they were in garbage time, but
Speaker 2: he's actually looked pretty good compared to you know, what
Speaker 2: they have done. So they probably should have started him
Speaker 2: and see if they had, you know, if they have
Speaker 2: a backup in him, and then put Vernon Adams back in.
Speaker 2: But they jumped the gun on Nathan Work and it
Speaker 2: just hasn't worked out. So I think it's more of
Speaker 2: a you know, a leadership with coaching and management problem
Speaker 2: with Bees versus what's going on with the players. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's there's more talent, and there's more talent needs to
Speaker 2: be added in, especially on the defensive side and the
Speaker 2: offensive line. But Nathan working with out set up for success.
Speaker 2: These players that have been set up for success, and
Speaker 2: they have squandered a perfect opportunity to host a you know,
Speaker 2: to be the host team for a great Cup.
Speaker 1: Real quick on the defense, and I'll talk to Nathan
Speaker 1: and stuff here. I don't like the regression of this
Speaker 1: defense needs to be studied because I don't know how
Speaker 1: you you were the Donut Boys? Was that early last year,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't even that long ago where the Donut
Speaker 1: Boys and we're shutting down, they were doing all this
Speaker 1: and Ryan Phillips and they're like, shoot, man, Ryan's gonna
Speaker 1: be coaching. You're gonna be leaving BC. He had already
Speaker 1: got the promotion there and moved up and like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know Ryan, like I shot one years ago. Like
Speaker 1: this is like just the regression of that. I don't
Speaker 1: understand where I again, I was watching first take, which
Speaker 1: is you know, a bastiat of knowledge about you know,
Speaker 1: football and everything coming out of the Sunday night game.
Speaker 1: But you know they were talking out the Jets and like,
Speaker 1: you can't expect the same defense every year, right, the
Speaker 1: Jets defense was really good last year. You can't expect
Speaker 1: the exact same sort of shut down whatever, but you
Speaker 1: don't just fall apart. Like I just don't understand how
Speaker 1: BC is just totally falling apart and they have no
Speaker 1: you know some of the games that we were watching
Speaker 1: earlier this season, like receivers are wide open, they can't tackle,
Speaker 1: they can't do all that. I like that far Han
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot more critical of the team. I
Speaker 1: like that he's gotten a little bit more critical of,
Speaker 1: you know, coaching and management. I remember I was critical
Speaker 1: of coaching during the year and got of got some
Speaker 1: feedback like get you know, what are you doing? We
Speaker 1: need to be like this is this is the thing here.
Speaker 1: And so talking to Nathan and this kind of made
Speaker 1: me laugh because Darren, are there the quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: CFLs egotisticos Aaron Rodgers. When Nathan kind of did that
Speaker 1: halftime stuff, it was a little that way to me.
Speaker 1: It came across a little that way where you no
Speaker 1: show far haunt and all that. This entire Nathan work
Speaker 1: scenario is so weird because a number one, as Ryan Clark,
Speaker 1: I think, is the one that says it, like you
Speaker 1: and football, you're paid the kings ransom to play a
Speaker 1: child's game, right, so like immediately you are like it,
Speaker 1: like all the criticism everything, and the people online and
Speaker 1: the hard questions and like when Aaron Rodgers gets mad
Speaker 1: at people like, no, you're paying a ton of money
Speaker 1: to do your work, like they're paid, Like this is
Speaker 1: everyone's this is how this works, and I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: you don't like to answer hard questions or whatever, but
Speaker 1: like that's how all that goes. But then with this
Speaker 1: Nathan stuff, the whole country of Canada and a lot
Speaker 1: of the media and a lot of the media members
Speaker 1: babied him the whole way up because I think that
Speaker 1: they said, you know, this is our star. We followed
Speaker 1: him all the way through you know, high school, going
Speaker 1: in and playing college in the States, and he's winning
Speaker 1: the you know, the Cornish Award and all these things
Speaker 1: from Ja mullen and we're bringing him up and we're
Speaker 1: bringing him up and it's just weird coddling that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. And like even far Han after that game
Speaker 1: when he's like no show and far Haunt, oh, I know, Nathan.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not the point, Like it's not the
Speaker 1: point that you've known him and covered him and driven
Speaker 1: down to the States and gone to practices with him
Speaker 1: and went to Jacksonville and tried, like that's not you
Speaker 1: need to separate all that from that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I know BC was ready to make Nathan the highest
Speaker 1: paid person when he decided to go to the NFL
Speaker 1: two years ago. His choice, right, Obviously we've chronicled all
Speaker 1: that and the Patriots and all these things and everything
Speaker 1: that working out Jaguar. But then this whole like the
Speaker 1: second he decides to come back that you basically the
Speaker 1: BC allions fell over themselves to like run and just
Speaker 1: throw that. You know, this truckload of money at him
Speaker 1: looks really bad, right, sets it up that way, And
Speaker 1: I do know, and I think it was far Han
Speaker 1: said in his the postgame was he called that the
Speaker 1: far Hank casts, which I go, hey, you know, the
Speaker 1: Mark cast is trademark. But Vernon felt really hurt because
Speaker 1: he as a starting quarterback. You should never lose your
Speaker 1: job because of injury, right, Vernon was playing good, got hurt,
Speaker 1: lost his job, was never given the opportunity to compete,
Speaker 1: and that's just not the way to set it up.
Speaker 1: Vernon put in a ton of time in the off season.
Speaker 1: They you know, they did all the arrow up stuff,
Speaker 1: and he's flying people down to Tacoma and they're doing
Speaker 1: all this and they're like building all this camaraderie. You
Speaker 1: carry that into the season, and then when he gets
Speaker 1: hurt and you bring in Nathan, it could have been anyone.
Speaker 1: It's not a Nathan specific. You could have brought in
Speaker 1: anyone if Vernon would he got his job back, you know,
Speaker 1: not because of poor player or anything else. It just
Speaker 1: sets it up for disaster. And I just think that
Speaker 1: the BC Allions had no was it. Seinfeld always tucks
Speaker 1: like you got to save face, you can't give too
Speaker 1: much fail like totally gave away whatever. Now this team's
Speaker 1: atrocious right now. I know they beat Montreal in the game.
Speaker 1: They didn't mean anything. They looked good. And I want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that if it was just
Speaker 1: like because Montreal whatever. But like you're barely in this
Speaker 1: right now and you're not even paying Nathan eight hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars yet, Like, what the heck are you going
Speaker 1: to do the next two years? Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Vernon comes in and we were arguing
Speaker 1: with people at the BC Lions game that like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously you know this is Nathan's team, but like if
Speaker 1: Vernon wins two playoff games and maybe takes him to
Speaker 1: the Great Cup, are you going to cut Vernon? Are
Speaker 1: you really going to trade him? Like this is this
Speaker 1: to me is until the nightmare? Right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Two things that so one, the media has done such
Speaker 2: a horre like you said, a horrendous job of covering
Speaker 2: Nathan Worrick and babying him. They treated this guy like
Speaker 2: he could walk on water and he could turn water
Speaker 2: into the wine. But I mean, my my issue is,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like there was more outrage with
Speaker 2: Nathan Borock about if you talk negatively on him then
Speaker 2: like trying to defend another Canadian quarterback in Trey Ford
Speaker 2: who has actually proven.
Speaker 3: That he has played well in the CFL.
Speaker 2: Yes, Nathan Worke had a good season two years ago,
Speaker 2: but he got injured that season and he's still through
Speaker 2: twelve interceptions in the ten games that he played, so
Speaker 2: like he is like a turnover machine, let's be honest
Speaker 2: about it. Like Nathan Work's a good quarterback, but he's
Speaker 2: the type of guy that's going to turn the ball
Speaker 2: over alive. When you have trey Ford, who's the polar opposite.
Speaker 2: He protects the ball well, he's accurate with the ball
Speaker 2: like where I know there was some outrage which tray
Speaker 2: Ford was kind of passed up over mccob buffle Thompson,
Speaker 2: but I feel like there was ten times more outrage
Speaker 2: with Nathan Rourke versus trade Ford, Like what are we
Speaker 2: doing here? Like we we should be defending trey Ford
Speaker 2: by the gates more than we should Nathan wore. And
Speaker 2: then also my concern is the off season, it is
Speaker 2: BC gonna have any money to spend to try to
Speaker 2: fix the issues. They have no because they're gonna be
Speaker 2: under the salary cap because they spend so much money
Speaker 2: on Matthew Betts, they spend so much money on Nathan
Speaker 2: war and they have to fix their secondary and they're
Speaker 2: gonna have nothing to work with. In fact, they're probably
Speaker 2: gonna have to let good players go. You know what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen over the receiving corps? Are they gonna lose
Speaker 2: some of those top guys. I mean, they have Alexander
Speaker 2: Hollins they have Justin McGinnis, they have you know, Kea like,
Speaker 2: they have the best receiving corep in the league. And
Speaker 2: they'rerobably gonna have to let some of those guys walk
Speaker 2: in free agency. They're not gonna be able to pay them.
Speaker 2: They have to fix that offensive line, they have to
Speaker 2: fix that defense, and they're gonna have zero money to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: So they just threw all this money.
Speaker 2: They try to win the Great Cup to go to
Speaker 2: win nine games this season and probably doesn't have a
Speaker 2: great chance of you know, making a our eight games.
Speaker 2: They want a game, but they don't have a great
Speaker 2: chance of winning the Great Cup. So I threw all
Speaker 2: this money away for nothing. So they've they've really set
Speaker 2: themselves back over you know, probably for the next two
Speaker 2: to three years because they want to spend all this
Speaker 2: money on a quarterback who's throwing four touchdowns at nine
Speaker 2: interceptions in eight starts, and a defensive end who's had
Speaker 2: one stack in four to five games.
Speaker 3: And I hate being critical.
Speaker 2: I know they're just getting back into the flow of
Speaker 2: it and maybe they'll be better next year.
Speaker 3: But BC has not set up for success over the
Speaker 3: next year or two.
Speaker 1: I understand what Farahan was saying, when you know, when
Speaker 1: naither Work calls you, you know you need to answer
Speaker 1: that call and you need to right, like because he
Speaker 1: the argument is like any team would have done this right,
Speaker 1: any team with it brought in. But I don't know
Speaker 1: when you have Vernon, that's we just you know, it's
Speaker 1: thirty one has been you know, playing very well. It's
Speaker 1: two seasons season that no, two seasons now plus you
Speaker 1: and the wa where where Nathan was hurt the season before,
Speaker 1: Like two seasons of this coming in has built the
Speaker 1: rapport with the guys. They mismanaged their backup quarterback situation
Speaker 1: from the get go. You know, they should have kept
Speaker 1: the short yardage guy in there, and then we have
Speaker 1: dal Gala and then we get rid of him and
Speaker 1: we don't like that was total waste of even having
Speaker 1: that And like, I don't know, do you just stamp
Speaker 1: pat and go Nathan will talk after the season, you know,
Speaker 1: get your head straight. I don't know, does another team
Speaker 1: go out and throw eight hundred thousand at him? Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I feel like I understand the
Speaker 1: fear of like when that phone call comes, you need
Speaker 1: to say yes because that might never come again. But totally,
Speaker 1: like it didn't solve the team when he came in,
Speaker 1: and it really made it worse because, like you said,
Speaker 1: they don't have any money now to do anything else,
Speaker 1: So it really took a bad situation and made it
Speaker 1: almost impossible. Kind of salary cap wise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, BC has no choice. They made their bed.
Speaker 2: They need to lie in it with thinks the work.
Speaker 2: He needs to be a starter or the next two years.
Speaker 2: Like they're paying this guy the highest salary in league history.
Speaker 2: Like he has to play. He has to be their story.
Speaker 2: They have to see what they have in him. But
Speaker 2: for this season they can at least control that, and
Speaker 2: they need to put Vernon Adams in. He gives them
Speaker 2: the best shot to win, even though, like you know,
Speaker 2: the likelihood of them winning the Great Cup doesn't seem
Speaker 2: very likely anymore. Vernon Adam gives him the best shot
Speaker 2: to win this season. And then you know, the off season,
Speaker 2: you move on from Vernon Adams, you focus on the
Speaker 2: development of Nathan Burke, fix the issues as because look,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I know we're being
Speaker 2: super negative, but Nathan work has all the potential to
Speaker 2: be a great franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: In this league.
Speaker 2: He's already proven that he can play well in this league.
Speaker 2: He just needs to clean up the turnovers. He needs
Speaker 2: to you know, work on his accuracy. He needs to
Speaker 2: develop you know, chemistry with these receivers, and you know,
Speaker 2: he needs some support around him. But again, what we
Speaker 2: talked about, that's gonna be a problem. But Nathan work
Speaker 2: is gonna have to understand he's gonna have to carry
Speaker 2: the team on his back, and he has the capability
Speaker 2: to do it, but he needs some development in the
Speaker 2: off season. And honestly, he just he's get his confidence
Speaker 2: back up.
Speaker 1: I just you know, and I know this is how
Speaker 1: professional sports works, but it's just hard when you pay
Speaker 1: players before they actually like win, right. It's like we've
Speaker 1: seen this now with Joe Burrow and you're you know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and all this, like you know, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got to the super Bowl. Okay, we're gonna pay him.
Speaker 1: You know, they're paying Nathan off of eight games that
Speaker 1: he played two years ago, where he had even a
Speaker 1: better receiving corps now, which is the best receiving core
Speaker 1: in the league. And so, like, I guess what I
Speaker 1: was trying to explain to Dorothy, Like we don't even know,
Speaker 1: Like you don't even know where those eight games are mirage?
Speaker 1: Is that the truth? Is it somewhere in between. Like
Speaker 1: it's just it's an impossible situation. I understand him wanting
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. I would have stayed in BC.
Speaker 1: I would have won a Great Cup and then taken
Speaker 1: that down. I don't know if that gets you any
Speaker 1: more looks or whatever, but the way that this was handled,
Speaker 1: I understand your young man wanting to explore your opportunities,
Speaker 1: and I'll blame him for that, but like this has
Speaker 1: been handled horribly from both sides. I mean, it really
Speaker 1: is a very poor marriage kind of sit suation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, BC should have waited until if they were going
Speaker 2: to sign them now, they should have kept them on
Speaker 2: the bench, maybe maybe the whole season. Maybe maybe you
Speaker 2: just roll with Verdon Adams and just happened and just
Speaker 2: tell Adams, look, just be transparent. We're going to roll
Speaker 2: with Nathan work next year. So play this season, play well,
Speaker 2: work your ass off, and then you can go get
Speaker 2: a bigger, nicer contract somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But yeah, work, get prove it, Yeah, prove your worth
Speaker 1: and then yeah, like you said, just be like, be
Speaker 1: honest with all these players. No one's been honest with anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's all the players want. I mean,
Speaker 2: as long as you're honest with them about what's going
Speaker 2: on in the future. Don't respect that more than just oh, hey,
Speaker 2: we just signed a you know, new quarterback that's going
Speaker 2: to replace you. Sorry, you know, sorry I didn't talk
Speaker 2: to you about it. But just be honest with them.
Speaker 2: Like Vernon Adams I think would have been better off
Speaker 2: with it. And you know he's gonna find a team
Speaker 2: next year and he's gonna make that team better because
Speaker 2: you know he's I believe if you wouldn't have been injured,
Speaker 2: easily would have been MP in this league.
Speaker 1: Last thing, and then I I want to recount just
Speaker 1: a couple things. We'll get out of here before at
Speaker 1: the top of the hour. So okay, we move Vernon, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen Calgary. Okay, do you trade him
Speaker 1: to the world? Like, what do you do with Vernon?
Speaker 1: Because then you're in the same situation where if you
Speaker 1: play if you trade Vernon and he plays Elite next year,
Speaker 1: you're just just piss off of your b you know,
Speaker 1: because you're like you can't have. So I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you do with Vernon? You diih him and then
Speaker 1: dild I save that cap and just hope that you
Speaker 1: know you have Nathan? Is that much better?
Speaker 3: You have to get rid of him.
Speaker 2: I mean again, you gave Nathan Rourke the biggest contract
Speaker 2: in history. You've made your bed. You need to lie
Speaker 2: in it. You need to roll with him. It's like
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns with Deshaun Watson. You gave the guy
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty three million dollars, fully guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Guess what you may not.
Speaker 2: You know, fans may not like that he's you know,
Speaker 2: starting quarterback, not anymore now he's injured. But you may
Speaker 2: not have liked that he was the starting quarterback. But
Speaker 2: you gave him all that money. So the owner Junior
Speaker 2: has some is gonna be like, ah, yeah, you're playing
Speaker 2: him every game like I'm getting my money's worth with him.
Speaker 2: BC is the same situation. You gotta you gotta go
Speaker 2: with Nathan. So I think with you trade him away,
Speaker 2: you know you can get some good value out of him.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you can probably get some good draft picks,
Speaker 2: because honestly, at the end of the day, BC is
Speaker 2: only gonna be able to afford to pay players that's
Speaker 2: out of the draft, so you get as much draft
Speaker 2: collateral as you can and try to build a younger
Speaker 2: team because there's no way they're going to be able
Speaker 2: to afford anybody in free agency, so they're just going
Speaker 2: to have to try to find some good young talent
Speaker 2: and hopefully build the team around, you know, getting some
Speaker 2: sleepers in the draft.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I developed. I've been trying to meet here, but
Speaker 1: developed coming back from Canada. Last couple of things here
Speaker 1: this before we get out. I appreciate Anthony coming on.
Speaker 1: I had a really good time going up. I always
Speaker 1: appreciate going up TOBC hadn't been able to make it
Speaker 1: up this year and until this weekend. Had a really
Speaker 1: good time. We were kind of caught in that ask
Speaker 1: what do they call it, asmaspheric river whatever raid? Literally
Speaker 1: the entire time, literally the entire time we were there,
Speaker 1: pouring ray. But had a really good time. Like I said,
Speaker 1: not a lot of CFL knowledge from the people, the patrons,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the bars we talked at. I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny at our hotel downstairs they had
Speaker 1: a bar they had of the TVs and they finally
Speaker 1: got a TSN kind of doing some CFL recap on,
Speaker 1: but they had my old station Fox thirteen Aaron talking
Speaker 1: Seahawks and like doing a whole NFC West preview about
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers on that stuff, like like
Speaker 1: we're like twenty feet from BC place, Like the hotel
Speaker 1: we stay at it is literally across the street from
Speaker 1: BC Place, Like it's they're all kind of the same price,
Speaker 1: but it works out. I'm like, you're literally across the street,
Speaker 1: Like could you have a BC Lion's flag up in
Speaker 1: Like they had Kansas City blow up doll and they
Speaker 1: had forty nine ers legs, had Aaron Rodgers jerseys. They
Speaker 1: have Lamar jacket, Like hey, like if I'm the BC team,
Speaker 1: like I'm up some freaking flegs in there. Game day
Speaker 1: stuff was always great. A line getting in, which is
Speaker 1: always cool. I just kind of feel I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: not just oh, we're just showing up. It's nice to
Speaker 1: kind of feel like but not nearly as well attended
Speaker 1: as the one we went to last year where it
Speaker 1: was winn a peg on that Friday night kind of
Speaker 1: for the control of first in the West. But my
Speaker 1: last note was every single person watching the CFL game.
Speaker 1: You either have I know absolutely nothing about the CFL,
Speaker 1: like I've never I don't even know who's on the
Speaker 1: team or what's going on, or like I've been a
Speaker 1: fan for forty seven years and i know everything. Like
Speaker 1: either there's no in between, there's no like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we come every couple of times. No, it's either I've
Speaker 1: never been before, or I come the pregame bar we
Speaker 1: went to across the street the other way had a
Speaker 1: lot of BC Lions fans, a lot of old, old
Speaker 1: people drinking wine and stuff like just speaks to kind
Speaker 1: of the age of the of the you know, the
Speaker 1: Lions fan base. A lot of older white men like
Speaker 1: drinking wine at the bar. You'll normally get that, I'm
Speaker 1: sure before like Philly games. You know, let's have a
Speaker 1: big like we like Dorothy looked at the menu. She's like,
Speaker 1: that's like one hundred and fifty dollars bubble wine. Like
Speaker 1: they're drinking. I'm like, hey, yeah, I guess if you're
Speaker 1: if you're a PC. But it was really fun. Far
Speaker 1: Han got into the BC Football Hall of Fame. That
Speaker 1: was great. Congrat him. We saw, like I said, jimol
Speaker 1: and all that, so really cool kind of catching up
Speaker 1: with everyone and just obviously appreciate BC's hospitalities. So it
Speaker 1: was a good game. I mean, Dorothy had fun even
Speaker 1: though Montreal didn't have a lot to play for. She
Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing what was it, twenty seven to three, So
Speaker 1: it was fun.
Speaker 2: I'm actually curious did you get to talk to BC
Speaker 2: line fans about how they feel about Nathan Worke, Like
Speaker 2: are they are they bought into him?
Speaker 3: Or are they bought into Vernon Adams.
Speaker 1: So the gentleman in front of me that he is
Speaker 1: on the side of that, I know every single party
Speaker 1: thing of every single person, because I was just kind
Speaker 1: of explaining to Dorothy, like, hey, you know and like
Speaker 1: Nathan and it's going to be really interesting because I
Speaker 1: understand that we've said like Nathan's the highest contract and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, like you know, Vernon wins two playoff games.
Speaker 1: He just has like this is Nathan's team, like he's
Speaker 1: they playing him. I'm like, he's trying to tell me
Speaker 1: the contract stuff. I'm like, brother, like I know you
Speaker 1: don't know, like I know this, I under I know
Speaker 1: the situation with the team here, Like I'm not. I
Speaker 1: didn't say like I'm a CUFL part, but I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh no, like yeah, no, I'm very aware
Speaker 1: of everything. And then he the little baby, and the
Speaker 1: baby turned around he had like a Nathan Roke temporary
Speaker 1: tattoo on the space. So I'm like, well, there you go.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously like, but no, very pro Nathan. Everyone
Speaker 1: we talked to very yeah, not even a lot of
Speaker 1: like we like Vernon I posted I stand with Va,
Speaker 1: but very pro Nathan. I think that that the run
Speaker 1: two years ago really built up all that. And even
Speaker 1: like people at the bars, they didn't know really what
Speaker 1: the team was doing right now, knew that Nathan was
Speaker 1: back and that there were some struggles, but that was
Speaker 1: kind of the one Yes, so very pro Nathan, and
Speaker 1: don't don't talk about my quarterback all right.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope Nathan knows how to play a cornerback
Speaker 2: because they'll definitely need him to do that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nathan's about one season away from learning to speak
Speaker 1: UFL e s buddy. So Anthony, anything from you, you got anything,
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here. Anything coming up on the site.
Speaker 2: Could probably be working on power rankings and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: getting some MLP conversation going and uh, you know, just
Speaker 2: getting up to date on you know, the final week
Speaker 2: of the season. So I'm excited to see how the
Speaker 2: season ends for the CFL and finally get the playoffs going.
Speaker 2: I feel like this has been a long season that
Speaker 2: a lot has happened. I feel like it's a totally
Speaker 2: different league from when it was back in June versus
Speaker 2: where we are now, So it should be kind of
Speaker 2: a photo finish for the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay tuned. We'll either do a Monday recap, which
Speaker 1: will mostly be a playoff preview, or maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: something later in the week, but we'll do something next week.
Speaker 1: Kind of looking forward to the playoffs because Week twenty
Speaker 1: one is always kind of at least there's four games.
Speaker 1: Last year was like the other way and there's only three.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like we gotta talk about these three games.
Speaker 1: At least it's four games. Is don't mean anything, I
Speaker 1: know if that makes it better worse. But we'll get
Speaker 1: some seedings there. Like we said in the West, Anthony
Speaker 1: appreciate it, Jason's doing well, and everyone else. I know,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time off, so hopefully people you know,
Speaker 1: we still exist. On here, so we're trying to do
Speaker 1: our thing and hopefully we can get all of our
Speaker 1: credentials and everything for the Great Cup, so we'll see
Speaker 1: everyone like it. Subscribe, but we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2: The Betwen, the