1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff 2 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:14,119 grab your host from giant bomb dot com. I'm doing 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,199 all right. I'm gonna hang in there, everybody, We're back. 4 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:18,519 Thank you for tuning in. In this episode, we're gonna 5 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:22,320 be talking about solving that PlayStation DRM drama and a 6 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:25,480 new game from which R three devs reappears. It's gonna 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,519 be a good one because we have Miles Obenza on 8 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:27,920 the show. 9 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:30,039 Speaker 2: Miles, how are you doing doing well? 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,039 Speaker 3: Jeff? Thank you so much for having me. It's been 11 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:34,600 a long time coming, but I made it and we're 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:35,799 doing it. I'm excited to hem. 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,359 Speaker 1: Glad we could, Glad we can make it happen. Glad 14 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:40,880 you're here. I'm gonna have you indulge me for a second. 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,479 I was just troubleshooting my other PC, my like home 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,520 Theater PC. I guess that I have connected to my 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,520 TV over there, and I think I solved the issue. 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: I want to. 19 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance, Miles to guess 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,479 what the problem was, because you never ever will, so 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,600 anything you say, feel free, just throw anything out there. 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,359 Speaker 2: What do you think is wrong with that PC? Oh? 23 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,599 Speaker 3: God, yeah, I don't know. 24 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly, Yeah, exactly, That's how I felt. 25 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:09,719 Speaker 1: I was in there kind of just like trying all 26 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:11,519 kinds of stuff. I'm like, is it the memory? Like 27 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,120 I was able to get in the windows like one 28 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:15,599 out of every twenty times of booting it up, and 29 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,480 I'm like, okay, I'm I'm in the windows now. Let 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,480 me see if there's something wrong with these drives. Nothing, 31 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:21,799 They're all coming back clean checks and stuff like that. 32 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,840 I repaired some Windows stuff. I'm like, I think I 33 00:01:24,879 --> 00:01:26,519 got it. It's fine. I'm going to restart this thing. 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,560 And then it goes right back into this trouble where 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,560 it's not booting miles. I think the problem is I 36 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:34,599 have it plugged into this Sony TV that was causing 37 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,640 the post to break. So like when it was like 38 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,079 starting out, but hey, is everything good? Like you have 39 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,400 a keyboard, you have a monitor? Oh you don't have 40 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:41,959 a monitor. It's like, no, I do. It's just this 41 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,680 Sony TV is so goddamn bad with HDMI that I 42 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,640 think it was just towing the computer to fuck off. 43 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,799 And I am I'm losing my mind a little bit 44 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:53,079 because I've already like, do not like this TV? And 45 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,079 I like I have to restart it all the time 46 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,280 just to get all kinds of stuff to work. The 47 00:01:57,359 --> 00:01:59,519 idea that it wouldn't even let my PC boot was 48 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:00,959 extremely frustrating. 49 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,959 Speaker 2: So it's time. I need to get a new I 50 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,560 need to get a new TV Miles. I don't know 51 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:04,959 what to do. 52 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:08,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that happened to me yesterday. My second 53 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,639 monitor just crapped out while I was working, and I 54 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,840 was like, Uh, what's gonna happen for this show? I 55 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:16,560 need the second monitor like badly, even when I'm not 56 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:19,319 on a show. So yeah, I can empathize. 57 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. 58 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,759 Speaker 1: It was robbing like like up until like ten minutes ago. 59 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,039 I was still trying to figure it out. I think 60 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,759 I think that's it now. Hopefully that's it, because if 61 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,800 it's not, I'm just gonna I don't know, I just 62 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,520 won't ever. Yeah No, I'm just don I'm gonna move 63 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,759 to the woods. Yeah that's the only answer here. But yeah, myles, 64 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,159 you know the first time on your show, told people 65 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:40,159 about yourself, tell them like where they can find you, 66 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:40,800 all that stuff. 67 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 68 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Miname is mom depens. Hello. I am the 69 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 games editor at a smaller site called a couple of 70 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,400 geek You can also find me writing at I don't 71 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:54,639 know name any website. I do a lot of games 72 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,680 media stuff all over. Most of the time, though, I'm 73 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,159 doing deals in commerceet like sites like IGN, GameSpot and 74 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:07,039 restart dot Run A shout out to Jesse Vittelli. Yeah, 75 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,879 I've been to a couple of Giant Bomb things. I'll 76 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:12,639 be around Magic Con starting Friday this week, and I'll 77 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,159 be at SGF as well. I've go to pretty much 78 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,039 every show. Living in LA makes that kind of easier 79 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:21,240 to do. And yeah, you can find me on lineup 80 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,479 Blue Sky at Miles Obenza. 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You can also catch 118 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,240 the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. 119 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: Hello YouTube. 120 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: All right, we have a lot to get so let's 121 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,040 start the morning mess with checking out on jan Jan 122 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:03,600 Are we good? 123 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,759 Speaker 2: We're still live? Uh? We should still be live the 124 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,639 health Oh that's fine, nothing looks bonkers. Okay, this might 125 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,560 be a Twitch thing. Sounds good. Let's get into it 126 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,279 this first story. 127 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:17,399 Speaker 1: Then, new theory says PS four and PS five thirty 128 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,600 day digital game timers are temporary to stop piracy, and 129 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:23,959 then they become permanent after fourteen days. That's not the 130 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,279 check doesn't become permanent. Your license to the game becomes permanent. 131 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,959 Let's say if we can work our way through this. 132 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:33,040 This is from Chris going In at VGC. Recent reports 133 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,120 that new PS four and PS five digital game purchases 134 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,319 purchases have introduced apparent DRM requiring online activation every thirty 135 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:44,639 days may not be as severe as once thought. According 136 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,480 to new claims earlier this week, it was reported that 137 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:50,519 the new version thirteen point twenty update for the PlayStation 138 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,759 five console appear to also have brought, what with it, 139 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,000 a form of digital rights management in which digitally purchased 140 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,959 games have to be verified. The theory tested by numeor 141 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,279 YouTube channels was that any digital game purchased on or 142 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:05,720 after a certain date appeared to have a thirty day 143 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:08,879 timer applied, suggesting that if the player didn't play the 144 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:10,759 game for thirty days, they would have to connect their 145 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:14,240 console online to renew the license and reset the timer 146 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,839 to thirty days again. Now, players who made such purchases 147 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:19,959 a couple of weeks ago have started reporting that the 148 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:23,680 thirty day timers have been disappearing from these purchases, leading 149 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,079 to more investigation as to exactly what's going on. Reset 150 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,439 Era user Andrew and shrew excuse me, who owns a 151 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:33,800 jail broken PlayStation flour and has been using it to 152 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,839 try to figure out what's happening, appears to have found 153 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,519 a potential explanation, claiming that the timer is a one 154 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,079 time measure to avoid piracy, and that digital game purchases 155 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:45,680 lose their timer and become permanent after a couple of 156 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,560 weeks so Miles the thing that apparently is happening here. 157 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,879 We've gone through a lot of iterations of people having 158 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,319 theories about what this is. So the reason we have 159 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,480 to have these theories stonies not set anything. PlayStation has 160 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,160 not made any public statements about this, so it's been 161 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,639 left to the community to sort of do that science. 162 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,199 And what this is saying here is when you purchase 163 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,560 a PlayStation game digitally, there is that fourteen day refund window. 164 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:11,519 Now that might sound like straight for me, I'm like, 165 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:14,600 what refund window? If PlayStation doesn't do refunds, It's like, okay, no, 166 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,519 they do. Their policy is there's that fourteen day period 167 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,759 where if you purchase the game digitally and you don't 168 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,399 start downloading it and you don't start like playing it 169 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:26,240 or whatever, but downloading it even you can get a 170 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:29,240 refund on it for the first fourteen days. That is 171 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,360 seemingly the day at which after that that fifteenth day, 172 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,920 this timer goes away. So it seems like this DRM 173 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,000 is related to that window, and people are sort of 174 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,759 just kind of maybe noticing that for. 175 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,839 Speaker 2: The first time in a real way. What do you 176 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:46,439 make of this? 177 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: Do you think PlayStation will ever even come out and 178 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,560 acknowledge that this was a controversy. 179 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: I think they might have been planning to until this 180 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:59,399 VGC story broke. It kind of feels like, I don't 181 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:01,319 know how long that's And I also didn't know that 182 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:04,399 the refund thing was even a think because I buy 183 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,240 all my games in a box because I'm old and 184 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,519 I just like to have them that way. Sure, but 185 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:12,160 it overall just kind of does feel like best case scenario, 186 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:15,279 where like, you won't lose your games and you won't 187 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:19,120 have to connect online every what thirty days or so? 188 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty days was the month. 189 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:26,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, overall, it's a fine outcome. Glad, it's 190 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:26,759 not any worse. 191 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:28,959 Speaker 2: Yes, right right. 192 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing where it is easy 193 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:34,360 to let our imaginations run away with themselves once we 194 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,080 start hearing that the early part of like, wait, I 195 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,960 have to check in every thirty days. This is the 196 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:41,720 nightmare scenario that everyone warned us about with digital games 197 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:46,240 versus physical purchases, and with the licensing issue of do 198 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,919 you really own your games? You know, the fact remains 199 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,960 that Sony does have the power to do this stuff. Still, 200 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:56,360 they have made a sort of truce with the consumers, 201 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,879 saying that they won't do it, at least they did 202 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,159 many years ago, and I think people are like, that 203 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,360 is an uneasy excuse me, that's an uneasy truce where 204 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:08,720 at any moment, some upstart executive inside of PlayStation and 205 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,919 Sony Interactive Entertainment could change their mind on this. And 206 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,559 at this point, because there is less competition from Xbox, 207 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,399 maybe they won't feel the heat, won't feel the pressure 208 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,360 to reverse that. 209 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:21,279 Speaker 2: And I still feel like that day might come. 210 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: But that is my anxiety, my anxieties and my fear speaking, 211 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:27,279 not necessarily the evidence on the table before us. Like 212 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,440 on the grand scale of time, we probably still are 213 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,960 looking at scenarios that are a little bit worse than 214 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 this one, right Or is that me still being a paranoid. 215 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,799 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. There was another headline I 216 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,480 saw leading up to hopping on this show today. I 217 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,879 forget exactly, but it was like Denovo is Likenuvo? Yeah, yeah, 218 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:49,639 it's like not, it's like useless. Now there was like 219 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:52,879 some other bypass that happened, and I wonder how much 220 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:54,919 that's going to play into like what happens here and 221 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,519 if PlayStations will kind of tighten their grip even more so. 222 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, that story, we should just touch on that real quick. 223 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,879 That's uh, that is the DRM at a kernel level 224 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,320 for PC games that like it's anti tamper, anti cheat, 225 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,360 and but really anti piracy. And it's been in a 226 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,720 lot of games that usually gets cracked, but apparently it's 227 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:19,879 been sort of cracked across the board. 228 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: And so in response, uh. 229 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,759 Speaker 1: There's been like two K Games, I believe, and again 230 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:26,360 I'm going I'm going for memory here, but I think 231 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,120 this is right. Two K Games is introducing a fourteen 232 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,200 day check where it's like, yeah, you had like the 233 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,799 game is only going to work for you for fourteen 234 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,960 days and if you don't renew that, it's gonna it's 235 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,840 gonna go away. Very similar to this, and that, you know, 236 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,080 the whole idea is danuva doesn't you know, require that 237 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,200 it makes it so it's a little bit more streamlined. 238 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:46,799 Of course, Danuva has all of its own problems of 239 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,039 performance issues and causing all kinds of headaches for people 240 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:52,399 who are just trying to play their legitimately purchased games, 241 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:54,440 and people who do find the crack often have an 242 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,320 easier time playing these games, and that's always frustrating. Where 243 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,919 it's like the pirate got a better experience than me. 244 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,440 But these companies they really do hate piracy and they 245 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:08,639 are sort of resorting to an old style of online 246 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:11,759 check in response to that Danuvo issue. So yeah, we 247 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,080 know these companies are ready and willing to do this, 248 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,559 and two K was like we could do it at 249 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,399 the drop of a hat when Danubo breaks. I think 250 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,440 that is the thing where like we know those sorts 251 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,200 of methods are waiting right around the corner for us, 252 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:28,519 and there's just a couple of maybe goodwilled employees at 253 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:31,879 these companies holding that stuff back from ruining our day, right. 254 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just very anti consumer if you know, I 255 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,240 get it's only twenty six and like if you have 256 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,440 a PSI or APS four, odds are you're logging online 257 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,480 every month anyway, but maybe you can't. Maybe that month 258 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,519 you have to forgo your internet bill for something else. 259 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,360 Like gaming is a hobby, but it's like global, it's everywhere, 260 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,639 so there's a lot of people who you know, still 261 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,080 gain but don't you know, always have access to stuff 262 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,879 like this. So yeah, a very anti consumer thing if 263 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,720 that thirty day time were to be the norm. 264 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, in this moment, as 265 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,799 we're kind of shifting from the PlayStation story to the 266 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:16,399 Danuvo story, Uh, the concern would be, you know, Danuvo's 267 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,879 not going to go away, right, They're not going to 268 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,480 like raise the white flag and give up. This is 269 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:24,399 their business, and I think the expectation I would have 270 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:27,159 is they're going to come back with a new version 271 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,039 that is worse in every way, that causes more problems, 272 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 but delivers on the key thing that their partners, their 273 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,279 business partners want, which is protection from piracy. So like, 274 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,080 you know, as this thing sort of is a downward spiral, 275 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,519 it's like every sort of tit for tat between pirates 276 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,159 and Danuvo, it's like they're just going to keep going 277 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,120 deeper and deeper and deeper. 278 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,919 Speaker 2: The pirates will always find a way around it. 279 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: So it's just going to keep getting worse for the 280 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:57,840 you know, the honest pain consumer. All Right, Yeah, no worries. 281 00:12:57,919 --> 00:13:00,200 Let's shift over to the next story here. Take who 282 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,519 CEO addresses grand theft, Auto six price and the possibility 283 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,960 of more La noir. You know this this is from 284 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,000 bomore at ign there's no like, there's no details yet 285 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,960 still about that price, right, we still don't know what 286 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,279 they're charging. So we're trying to decode his language here 287 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:20,159 and seeing, like you know, taking a temperature check of 288 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,360 like what is he feeling, and it still feels like 289 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,639 it could be any price from seventy to one hundred dollars. 290 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,519 But let's get into the story from Bomore over at IGN. 291 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaking at icon today, which is a news conference or 292 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,279 new conference for video game executives, sounds like hell on 293 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:34,720 Earth to me. 294 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: Take two CEO. 295 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: Straus Zelnick addressed the much debated question of how much 296 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:42,399 Grand Theft Auto six will cost. He declined to confirm 297 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,480 the game's price, but hinted away, hinted away from the 298 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:48,360 potentially super premium price point that has been floated in 299 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,320 the past. Consumers pay for the value that you bring 300 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,519 to them, and our job is to charge way way 301 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,080 less of the value delivery. Zelnick said, how you feel 302 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,559 about something you buy is the intersection of the thing 303 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,360 itself and what you pay for it. Consumers need to 304 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,679 feel like the thing itself is amazing and the price 305 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,039 they were charged was fair for what they got. He 306 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,480 went on to mention that game pricing has actually gotten 307 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,519 cheaper over the years. A reference to the fact that 308 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,519 major game releases have been priced at sixty or at 309 00:14:14,519 --> 00:14:17,039 most seventy for more than a decade as compared to 310 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,279 greater rates of inflation seen in the wider economy. So 311 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,720 he's definitely like still laying the groundwork for any price there. 312 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,480 If you look at it through that lens, that doesn't 313 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,639 make a whole lot of sense. But that isn't the 314 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,240 lens through which we look at it, and instead instead 315 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:34,399 we look at how do you deliver something amazing and 316 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,960 how do we make sure that what people pay for 317 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:41,440 it feels very reasonable, Miles, I let you kind of 318 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,480 have the floor here first. What do you think this 319 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,399 thing's going to cost? Like, how do you decode what 320 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,159 Zelnik is saying, Oh. 321 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: It's definitely not could be sixy. I can start with that. 322 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:54,879 This statement feels very like corporate ask kind of nothing 323 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:59,720 burger speak. They're leaving the floor open to it being 324 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:03,200 a plus, which is kind of what I am anticipating. 325 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,159 I think Mario Kart World set that precedent to where 326 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,960 it was eighty bucks people it's now sure, yeah, it's 327 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,399 an option. People weren't happy about it, but they still 328 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:14,879 bought it. Gratz thought of six is one of those 329 00:15:14,879 --> 00:15:19,000 games where you know, eighty dollars plus you'll be like, 330 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,399 oh man, that's crazy. Okay, well I'm gonna pre order 331 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,120 right now. Yeah. But going back to Stomach's messaging, it 332 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:30,480 just feels, yeah, he's saying certain things that sound good 333 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,840 but don't ultimately like mean anything. 334 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,279 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 335 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,679 Speaker 1: I think that that is the one thing I would 336 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,000 take away is he hasn't closed the door on anything here. Yeah, 337 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,559 because because it is all so much nothing, you know 338 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,600 it had he come and been like, you know, we 339 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,080 just know the consumer won't accept one hundred dollars. He's 340 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,600 not saying that, yeah, and uh, well we can't charge 341 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,519 you know, sixty dollars for this thing because it cost 342 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,200 this much to make. 343 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: He didn't say that either. 344 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: To me, like, not lopping enough any options means that 345 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:02,799 I think they are still leaning toward more than you 346 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:03,519 would expect. 347 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,279 Speaker 2: Eighty dollars does seem very likely at this point. 348 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,679 Speaker 1: I think then, I think it would be hard in 349 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:12,840 that boardroom to for strauss Zelnik to look at the 350 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:15,440 board members and have rock Star and all these people 351 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,720 behind them and say this game should cost less than 352 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:19,440 Mario Kart. I think that's a good point of compare 353 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,159 with some miles, because I think they will be like, no, 354 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,120 we should at least be as much as Mario Kart. 355 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,080 This game is going to sell more than Mario Kart, 356 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,440 and it will be bigger and all this stuff, you know, 357 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,480 all that that out there there is like certainly going 358 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,360 to be a tier of options when people go to 359 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,759 buy this thing initially, and him speaking about making people 360 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:42,519 feel like they've got a value. One thing that a 361 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:44,360 lot of companies have been doing to make people feel 362 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,519 like they're getting away with something and they're getting more 363 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,120 than they bargained for is you could feel special by 364 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,919 having this game early. Here is early access for one 365 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,320 hundred dollars, and that feels almost like a certainty for 366 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,120 this game of people can play it seven days early, 367 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:01,919 five days early, way, whatever it is for the one 368 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,759 hundred dollars price tag, and millions of people will do that. 369 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,559 I think millions of people will do that. And then 370 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,200 effectively the price of this game is somewhere between eighty 371 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,160 and one hundred because people you know, it averages out, 372 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,359 but millions of people bought it at one hundred dollars. 373 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,839 Like I always go back to forts the Horizon five, 374 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:22,960 it had early access, and like a million people were 375 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,400 playing that thing early. And that was a combination of 376 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,599 people buying the the digital deluxe version that gave you 377 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,799 early access or upgrading from game Pass for like forty 378 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,599 dollars or whatever it was to get early access, but 379 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,160 people were paying the money for that premium access to 380 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,240 that game. And that's forts the Horizon five a very 381 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,400 popular game, but not Grand Theft Auto. So I think 382 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,839 that my expectation here, Miles is we're going to get 383 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,799 a lot of details about this game pretty soon. It's 384 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:50,799 probably going to come out this year, and when it hits, 385 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,759 when those details hit, it's going to be yes, here 386 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,440 is a way for you to give us all the 387 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:56,240 money in the world. 388 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: Right. 389 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to find every strategy they can to 390 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,000 capitalize off, like the fact that it's colloquially known as 391 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:06,960 the most anticipated game of all time to most people, 392 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,000 whether it's in our space or not. And yeah, that 393 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,240 eighty dollars price egg, I imagine will just be for like 394 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:17,759 the standard edition, whereas there's going to be like a 395 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:20,680 deluxe edition of premium blah blah blah, and just kind 396 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,319 of just keep climbing and climbing and climbing, and like 397 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:25,640 you said, early access, a lot of people like that 398 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:28,680 kind of thing. They can't wait a week to save 399 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:33,559 like twenty to forty dollars or so. Yeah, that's I 400 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,480 can definitely see that happening, and it wouldn't be shocked 401 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,279 if a lot of people. Yeah, just just really spend 402 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:39,799 the money on it. 403 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the modern day version of the marshmallow test, right. 404 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:45,039 You put the marshmallow in front of the kid and 405 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:46,640 you tell the if you don't eat this for fifteen minutes, 406 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,279 you get two marshmallows. Lust gamers, we're just eating that 407 00:18:50,319 --> 00:18:52,880 one marshmallow, the wondering why we're not getting a second one. 408 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: We're smart people. I will say call that every once 409 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,599 in a while. 410 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I don't want to wait any longer. 411 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,039 It's just twenty forty and I've work myself into a shoot. 412 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:05,480 Uh grant theft thought A six probably is coming. 413 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: Out this year. 414 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,519 Speaker 1: Do you feel like the delay is still possible? I mean, 415 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:10,480 obviously it's ill possible, but what do you think. 416 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: I think delaying it from May to November nineteen, I 417 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,440 think that's enough time for them to really like and 418 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,799 I don't say this as like a good thing, and 419 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:19,039 I don't want to use the word crunch, but I 420 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:20,720 think it's it's it's it's enough time for them to 421 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,440 really polish it, because it's been delayed enough. I think, 422 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,440 I think if they delayed it one more time, it 423 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,680 would be I don't know, I feel gonna be worse 424 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:34,519 press than it was when it was delayed earlier. 425 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: Yep, Yep, absolutely, I'm I think that they really want 426 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,440 to have this one out this year. 427 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: And uh and and you know, I. 428 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:44,559 Speaker 1: Bet it could have even had come out in May, 429 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,920 but they wanted to just like you said, polish things up. 430 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,000 And now it's like whatever polish they are able to do, 431 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,559 that's great, but let's start making some money from this 432 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:53,559 thing that has been cost you know, so much to 433 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:55,519 produce for so many years now exactly. 434 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:58,279 Speaker 3: And the rest of the industry thinks that that's happening too, 435 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:01,319 because we've heard the stories of like, well, we don't 436 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:03,599 want to launch our game around that window because we 437 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,680 want to avoid grants of thought of six. So I'd 438 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:06,839 be shocked if it didn't. 439 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: Right, And it's you know, I don't think Strauslnik is 440 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,880 calling up Asha Sharma and saying, hey, just watch your toes. 441 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,519 We're putting the game out. But Asha sharmas to certainly 442 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,720 dialed in the people in charge of these big companies 443 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:20,319 the xboxes in the PlayStation. Yep, they're dialed in enough 444 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,400 to know, oh, this really really state feels real, and 445 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,599 you're right. They are making the necessary adjustments to avoid 446 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,039 being in grand Theft Auto six is wake smartly, so 447 00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:35,079 all right, next story here. Monument Valley boss says it 448 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,000 was quote too romantic about giving staff long term job 449 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,599 security and things contractors are the future. This is from 450 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,799 Chris Scully and VVGC, the chair of the UK Games 451 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,519 Industry trade body, Yuki and the CEO of Monument Valley 452 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,920 studio US two Games say it's becoming less viable for 453 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,960 smaller studios to retain long term employees. In an interview 454 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,880 with game developer Maria Seyons said the studio has been 455 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,920 making games that cost between seven million pounds and ten 456 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,119 million pounds, with production cycles lasting three to four years, 457 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,440 noting we need to lower that. The boss explained that 458 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:12,079 US two Games currently employees just under thirty people, down 459 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,559 from a peak of around forty, while Monument Valley three 460 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,480 was in development, before suggesting that the studio shouldn't have 461 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:20,160 hired so many full time employees and should have hired 462 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,400 more contractors instead to ensure less of a long term commitment. 463 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,039 We've been a little bit too romantic about the idea 464 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:28,839 that we should have employees and give people long long 465 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,880 term job security, Sands said. I think that got us 466 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,319 into a place where reaching the heights of Monument Valley three, 467 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,880 production contractors were always a relatively low percentage of our 468 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,640 employee base. I think that's something we're looking to change 469 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,559 going forward. Saan suggested that US two would hire more 470 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:46,519 contractors in the future, noting that this wasn't something she 471 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:49,039 ideally wanted to do, but the industry is now headed 472 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,960 that way. She continues on in that vein for a 473 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,599 little bit. But yeah, yeah, this is one of those 474 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:56,960 ones where oh man, they're just saying it. They are 475 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,480 just flat out saying the thing that's like, oh, people 476 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,359 that work for us and make the thing that makes 477 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,079 us money should not feel secure. And it's like, I 478 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,400 get what she's trying to get at, where it's like, 479 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,559 this is a it's a volatile business. There's ups and 480 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,759 downs and permanent commitments kind of create a lot of 481 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:20,440 pressure that cost some problems. Sure, but the idea that 482 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:22,039 like the answer to that is for you to go 483 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,519 out publicly say, man, we shouldn't be offering people's job security. 484 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: That's too much. Oh then what are we even doing here? 485 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just classic video games industry capitalist hellscape. And 486 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,759 I haven't played Monument Valley, but I mean, and I 487 00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:37,920 don't really know much about developing a game, but they're 488 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,920 not the most like mechanically or graphically complex games, right, 489 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,920 So again this is me speaking from relative ignorance, but 490 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,759 these games can't take three to four years to make, right, 491 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,440 And so I don't know how much. Yeah, I'm not 492 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,440 sure either. But my point with that is like the 493 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:02,519 cost versus how much it costs to retain your employees 494 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:09,119 versus profit, Like I don't know, doesn't doesn't seem like 495 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,119 a thing that should be happening, and just basedline across 496 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,519 the board, whether it's in video games or not, like, 497 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,599 this is not a way you should talk about your employees, 498 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,000 especially if you want to retain them to continue to 499 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:26,160 make stuff games here specifically, I don't know, I just 500 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,480 can't help, but like just scoff at it, I don't know. 501 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: Yes, it's the it's the kind of thing where, you know, 502 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,319 other industries are not necessarily solved for this, but there 503 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,559 are ideas in other industries where they're gig based, like 504 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,279 making films, that is a gig based industry where you 505 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:45,400 go from one gig to the next, but there are 506 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720 some structures in place, like the unions that provide the 507 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:53,119 healthcare for the people that work as as grips or 508 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,200 whatever in that industry. 509 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if grip's actually get insurance, but. 510 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:58,799 Speaker 1: There are like you know, writers and all these people 511 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,759 that move from one job to the next because there's 512 00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:04,079 only money there while you're making it, and then in 513 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,960 the years, like there's no company or the production company 514 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,000 that exists and does have a staff, they don't need 515 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,680 the grip on the times when they're not making a production. 516 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: So the idea is, let's let's staff up for this. 517 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,319 Speaker 1: We are contracting these people out, but there is a 518 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,000 backbone to this industry that expects that to happen and 519 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,079 provides a pathway for that person to go from one 520 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:23,759 gig to the next. 521 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: These sort of funnels from one. 522 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: Job to the next, and the video game industry has 523 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,799 none of that, it does not have that backbone. And 524 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,720 so these these these companies saying that, yeah, we're basically 525 00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:39,319 gonna have a gig based infrastructure. Okay, I get why 526 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,920 that is financially incentivizing, why that is like start of 527 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,599 enticing to you, But what about the people's lives of 528 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,599 the people who are producing the thing that is making 529 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,400 you money? And there is no answer there because it 530 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,559 does not actually affect their bottom line, so they do 531 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,319 not care to answer it. And it's like, you know, 532 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,480 I get it. We're like I own a business now, 533 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:00,200 so I get it. Like looking at the numbers, is, man, 534 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,680 how do we do more? How do we take care 535 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,920 of people better? And it's it's challenging, absolutely, but I 536 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,200 don't think the answers sort of like throw my hands 537 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,279 up and go like, well, I mean people, the people 538 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,640 that are they just shouldn't feel secure. 539 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,799 Speaker 2: So what No, we gotta gotta find answers for these problems. 540 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess, I'll I guess in a way 541 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,920 to like spin it positively, it could be seen as 542 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,319 a good thing for like new people and new developers 543 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,200 in the industry who were still like looking for work. 544 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,400 But it was the double edged sword there. Yes, for 545 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,079 the people who've been for years. So it's give and take, 546 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,519 I guess, but I'm still yeah, just the messaging behind 547 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:39,559 this is just so toned up. 548 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there was certainly a time where like this, 549 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,240 it was just accepted that you could get a job 550 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,279 in this industry. And yeah, that was gonna be hard 551 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,359 for these companies, and sometimes there would be layoffs after 552 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,960 our project went out, but there were years where you 553 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,240 could have employment and then you would take that experience, 554 00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:57,759 you shipped the game, and you could go get another 555 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,119 job somewhere else, and yeah, that's hectic and volatile and 556 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,039 not great, but you know the expectation you would go 557 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,839 from one full time employment to the next. And now 558 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,839 these companies are like, why are we doing that, Let's 559 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240 just contract them out, and well, there's labor laws. That's 560 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,079 why you're doing it because you know, at a certain 561 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,440 point you got to they made a threshold of they 562 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,920 should just be full time employees. 563 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, the companies don't want to do that. 564 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: It is, and they look at like that cost as 565 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:28,440 this terrifying thing. These the capital expenditures versus operational expenditures. 566 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,480 That capex spending terrifies companies and they're they're trying to 567 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,240 avoid that as much as possible, and it's hurting people, 568 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:40,640 and it's hurting this industry because senior developers, senior designers, 569 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,160 people that know how to make good games are wondering 570 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,599 why they're putting up with this and going to much 571 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,880 more stable industries. Although how many stable industries remain these days? Yeah, 572 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,440 not many, not many. All right, let's go ahead and 573 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:55,640 take a break. We got plenty of more headlines to 574 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,519 get into. We'll do that right after this. If you 575 00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:59,559 want to skip out on these messages, go to Giant 576 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,200 Bomb Duck Slat's joined become a premium member. After versions 577 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,319 of the show there, we will be right back. It's 578 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,640 Game mess Mornings. We're back on Jeff Grubb, that's Miles Obenza. 579 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,000 We're gonna get back into the headlines here with Final 580 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:16,400 Fantasy seven Rebirth demo is now live on switch To 581 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,640 and Xbox Series. This is from Sal Ramano at Gamatsu. 582 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 Squaringex has released a demo for the Xbox Series and 583 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,240 switch To and Microsoft Store PC versions of Final Fantasy 584 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,920 seven Rebirth. Save data from the demo will be carried 585 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,640 over to the full game kind of I did a 586 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,920 quick glance miles to see what people are saying about 587 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,039 the Switch to versions performance. It is not the miracle 588 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,680 port that some other games have been. It is like, 589 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,240 so it's an ambitious thirty frames per second port is 590 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,720 how many people are putting it, and they do say 591 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,680 good enough is the phrase. I've been seeing quite a 592 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,640 bit of good enough. You could justify spending the money 593 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,039 on this. It does like have softer image quality, pop 594 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,400 in occasional drops under thirty frames per second in busy areas. 595 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,880 So it's not like, oh, you're going to get the 596 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,559 same experience that you had on PS five. But if 597 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,400 you like playing RPGs on your switch to it is 598 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:08,240 good enough. 599 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:10,319 Speaker 2: You're not in your head. Have you played this at all? 600 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, So I actually went to Square Next 601 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,319 a couple of weeks ago for secret things and this 602 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:15,160 was one of them. 603 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 604 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: I got to play it in handheld mode for like 605 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,519 a half hour, and yeah, pretty much everything everyone on 606 00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:24,279 the internet is saying is true. It was like locked 607 00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:30,039 to thirty fps. There wasn't much latency issues, Like I 608 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,480 made it a point to go play combat that they 609 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,400 were like, here, just stay in town and play queens. 610 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: Blod. 611 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: I was like, that's cool. That's not the chunk of 612 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,400 this game. So yeah, and it felt good, It was fluid, 613 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,519 it was extremely responsive. Just yeah that just you know, 614 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,799 it looks like what you think Rebirth would look like 615 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,119 on switch to. But the fact that it runs as 616 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,359 smoothly as it does at you know, this low frame rate, 617 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,119 it still is pretty impressive. I did not get to 618 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,319 play a doct but I imagined it'll be similar to this. Yeah, 619 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:02,440 but if this is your only way to play it, 620 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:03,519 then go for it. 621 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:03,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 622 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,319 Speaker 3: Having it on the ghost pretty cool. 623 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean having RPGs on the switch to. 624 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean there's a reason why that just sounds nice 625 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680 to a lot of people that people like to play 626 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,000 in bed, like chill out, make it their nighttime game, 627 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,799 And it does sound like this is going to serve 628 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,359 that purpose. I Rebirth was never made with a handheld 629 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,960 device in mind. It was specifically made for the PS five. 630 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,200 My guess here would be that for the third game, 631 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,000 which we'll talk about here in a second, but for 632 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:33,920 the third game, they will make it a little bit 633 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,559 more with the switch to in mind. And I bet 634 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,519 that game runs better on the switch to. You know, 635 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,000 maybe not sixty frames per second, but I bet it'll 636 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:41,079 run better on the switch to. 637 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:42,519 Speaker 2: Let's actually talk about it. 638 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Final Fantasy seven Remake Part three is quote on time 639 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,519 and on schedule. 640 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: This is for my Nintendo News. 641 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: Comic book recently caught up with Final Fantasy seven Remix 642 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:57,799 series director Neioki Hamaguchi to ask him a number of questions, 643 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,400 including how about how development on the eagerly anticipated Final 644 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,240 Fantasy seven Remake Part three is proceeding. I'm acucci said 645 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880 the development for the third title is actually both on 646 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,079 time and on schedule, meaning that everything is currently going 647 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,960 as planned. 648 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:14,559 Speaker 2: Here's like the quote here from the interview. 649 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm unable to share concrete details at this time. What 650 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,319 I can say is that development itself is proceeding on 651 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,319 time and on schedule. We believe it will become a 652 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,839 title we can deliver with confidence as the culmination of 653 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,359 the trilogy. We know many fans are eagerly anticipating, and 654 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,359 preparations towards the announcement are steadily underway. Please look forward 655 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,160 to it just a little longer. When do you think 656 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,039 we hear about this game? Well, when do we get 657 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:39,359 the name? 658 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,039 Speaker 2: The release date? 659 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,599 Speaker 3: What do you think I think we hear about it 660 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,480 within the year and then release date maybe within the 661 00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,400 next two to three. Part of my visit to Squaren Ennis, 662 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:51,279 I have the same interview with mister Hamocucci as well. 663 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,680 It was just over email, so I didn't get to 664 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680 actually sit down and chat with him, but I did 665 00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,519 actually ask him about the third game on switch to 666 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,279 and is the same kind of response here, no plans, 667 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,839 but development is chugging along. So uh yeah, sorry, I 668 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:13,319 think within the year, maybe even closer, we'll we'll get 669 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,240 the name maybe SGF who knows. 670 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, as chief's on the table, you think like it's 671 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,200 not a guarantee, but like that's a possibility. 672 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: Uh possibility, but not super probable. 673 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, okay, yes, yeah, I think that's kind 674 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,720 of the temperature I take away from this is uh yeah, look, 675 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,279 it's it's chuggong. It's on schedule and steadily working toward announcements, 676 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,079 is how he's framing it. Yeah, they're steadily underway towards 677 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:39,759 the planning of announcements. 678 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 679 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,839 Speaker 1: That to me, that sounds like right, yeah, everything's on schedule. 680 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,480 It takes time to do these things, no rush because 681 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,920 we were not behind, so like we can keep going 682 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,920 at this pace, and yeah, that says to me, and 683 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,119 maybe before the end of this year, but not anytime 684 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,000 super soon, and SGF is super soon at this point, 685 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,319 We're a month away basically, so. 686 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,799 Speaker 3: And I'm happy away for this game. It's okay, you guys, 687 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:04,759 take as long as you need. I'll play it when 688 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:05,240 it's ready. 689 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: Yep. 690 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: You know. 691 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: I do think that them setting the table with these 692 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,880 ports and kind of reminding people that are like, oh, 693 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,440 we have shifted the strategy of Final Fantasy seven Remix 694 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,960 happening on PlayStation first and only, so like these other 695 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,000 platforms are not just an option, but they are going 696 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,160 to maybe be right there day one, possibly at least 697 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,039 as a possibility. They're setting the table, and once this 698 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,799 is out there and people are playing it, this being 699 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,480 Final Fantasy seven Rebirth, I think they're like, Okay, now 700 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,279 now we can kind of really think about it's time 701 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:37,480 to start talking about this game. 702 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it could happen soonish, so we'll see. 703 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think this could be a launch game 704 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:46,240 with PlayStation six or that window of time. 705 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: That's not awesome, that's also not off the table, but 706 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,039 PlayStation six feels like it's moving from I do not 707 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:53,920 think they're going to want to tie it to PlayStation six. 708 00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,480 I think they will be happy to be like, do 709 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,000 a re release in that moment of here is the 710 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,559 integrate Is that what they did with the first one? 711 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,960 With the Integrade version of Final Fantasy seven Remake Part three, 712 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,440 They're like, Okay, yeah, it's been out for a year 713 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,359 of selling to the massive audience on all these other platforms, 714 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,720 and now here it is at launch for PS six 715 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:16,039 in its definitive version. 716 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,559 Speaker 2: That's how I would expect it to happen. What do 717 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:18,920 you think? 718 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: Pretty much agree? I think they want to try to well. 719 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,880 I could possibly see it as like a dual launch 720 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,200 as well, depending on when PlayStation six is out. But 721 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,039 I think they've been reports that it could be what 722 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,400 like twenty twenty nine or twenty thirty ish. 723 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,119 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's moving around. Yeah. 724 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,119 Speaker 1: I think it was like, oh, it could be twenty 725 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,160 twenty seven. It's like, well, no way that, but twenty 726 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,319 twenty maybe, And that feels like to me, that sounds 727 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,200 like twenty twenty nine. 728 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean, if that's the case, 729 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,960 I could see Remake Part three being a dual SKEWP. 730 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they will be happy to play 731 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,519 on the excitement of new hardware, no matter what that 732 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,160 hardware is. But yeah, I think, like yet someone to 733 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,920 Chat's saying, I do think they view the partnership between 734 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,119 Final Fantasy seven Remix and PlayStation as sort of a misfire. 735 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,639 I don't know if they would call it a straight 736 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,800 up failure, but I think it's a misfire in that 737 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,000 the game just didn't deliver as much as they were 738 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,719 expecting it to. And I think they think locking it 739 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,159 down to PlayStation is one of the reasons that that happened, 740 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,039 and so not that they're going to like throw PlayStation 741 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:23,880 out or something, but I think they want to re 742 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,400 establish they're doing the work right now to re establish 743 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,880 that this is a series and they're a company that 744 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,440 puts games out everywhere, And I don't think they'll want 745 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880 to like even make a gesture toward, hey, you better 746 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,800 have a PlayStation six to be able to play this. 747 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,719 Obviously that won't be the case, but I don't even 748 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,480 think they want to suggest that we'll see that. 749 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: I wonder as well, and correct me if I'm wrong, 750 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,880 but PlayStation moved away from PC ports right, So I 751 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,679 wonder if in that time they'll kind of run that 752 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,639 back and be like, well, actually we're going to bring 753 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,679 our games to PC, which it's weird that they're not. 754 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,480 It seems like money on the table. 755 00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:58,199 Speaker 1: I mean definitely, I think that is something that flip 756 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,480 flip flops a couple more times in lifetime. 757 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: Yes. 758 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, they will strategically reverse decisions depending on which way 759 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,400 the wind is blowing blowing. I think Matt Piscatella had 760 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,840 a good skit about this to kind of put it 761 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,159 into words what I was feeling. 762 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: I'll paraphrase. 763 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,679 Speaker 1: He was saying, like, the companies began putting out their 764 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,280 games on PC because the hardware, their hardware wasn't selling 765 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,639 as much as they wanted it to. And then like, 766 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,519 and now the hardware is not selling as much as 767 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,239 they wanted it to, so they're returning back to exclusives. 768 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,280 And it's like, oh, yeah, we're just in this circular 769 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,679 reasoning where the grass is always greening a on the 770 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,320 other side, and the companies are just changing things because 771 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,159 they're hoping that's gonna like be it's gonna be different 772 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:39,559 this time. 773 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,559 Speaker 2: It never worked for them, but it could work for us. 774 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,159 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so we're going to keep going back 775 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:48,639 and forth depending on new leadership, new executive sort of initiatives. 776 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,639 And right now we're in the one where, like lock 777 00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,000 it back down, we got to sell PlayStations and that 778 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,079 won't last forever. 779 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not, especially with the price sykes. 780 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,039 Speaker 1: So oh exactly, all right, next story here, Mortal Kombat 781 00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:07,039 Legacy Collection cross play with a k update now available. 782 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,119 Atari and Digital Clips pushed a major update, adding crossplay, 783 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,519 new online modes, two on two online combat, and select 784 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:19,320 games v are our support on several platforms, and multiple fixes. 785 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,840 Digital Clips does say that these are the final major 786 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,079 features currently planned, although it does seem like this answers 787 00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,320 a lot of the problems that people had early on. 788 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 2: They had some emulation issues that were causing some headaches. 789 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: They seemed to spruce those up pretty quickly, and then 790 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,679 they followed up with this cross play, which is oh, 791 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,360 oh yeah, okay, and maybe this game will now be 792 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,159 worth it for some people. I you know, including this 793 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,840 because I do like this collection. It was we had 794 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,440 a lot of fun with it on PC. They did 795 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,119 a really good job of presenting the history of those 796 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,480 games in an amazing way and then the story was 797 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,159 a little bit like, hey, this is just not the 798 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,920 best way to play these games. And now that has 799 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,519 shifted in a time when the game could maybe frequently 800 00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,079 be on sale, and so I wonder if like this, oh, 801 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:02,840 this is another opportunity for this game to do. 802 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 2: Well, what do you think? 803 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you nailed it. And yeah, it's it's 804 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,039 a really fun collection if you like grew up with 805 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,760 these games, like the documentary was awesome, But if you're 806 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,679 like a like a diehard FGC guy, I'm not so. 807 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,920 I was just like, cool, I want to play these games, 808 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,960 I you know, started with as a kid. 809 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:19,679 Speaker 2: It's great. 810 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,559 Speaker 3: The fact that they're adding a cross play and just 811 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,239 like bumping up the performance is great for the people 812 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,760 who do like to play like that. And yeah, tying 813 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,119 these updates into a more I don't want to use 814 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,239 the word playable, but more like cohesive you know version 815 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,039 of the game with it always being on sale like that, 816 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,880 that seems like a good strategy. I guess. 817 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:45,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 818 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad that companies like Digital Eclipse and 819 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,000 Atari do think it's worth it to like keep updating 820 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,679 these things to get him into the best position possible 821 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,079 it's not just like hit him with the big splashyet 822 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,679 here it is all these old game games you remember, 823 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,679 take it or leave it. They seem to take that 824 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,599 responsibility of preserving these games in the best possible way 825 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,840 pretty seriously. And I'm glad that like it seems at 826 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,199 least to me, based on them doing it repeatedly, that 827 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,639 the business case pans out that that they this is 828 00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:20,280 a return on it. They will see a return on 829 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,519 investment on this work because people go, oh, the problems 830 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,079 that people were having have been solved. 831 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: Now I'll drop my money. 832 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,039 Speaker 1: And I get encouraged because I think they're going to 833 00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,000 keep doing a lot of these of these collections, and 834 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,400 even when it's a collection of bad games, and even 835 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,400 when it's a collection that doesn't have the incredible, uh, 836 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,599 the incredible documentary stuff that makes the price of admission 837 00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,320 worth it on its own, Like who, honestly, who cares 838 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,000 how the game is run? 839 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,079 Speaker 2: You got to play this game for the documentary. 840 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: But people care and they should, uh, And so yeah, 841 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,559 at them getting that stuff fixed up, I think speaks 842 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,599 volumes of Oh, this is maybe Atari Atari's core business 843 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,440 going forward. They've made some other recent acquisitions in a 844 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:05,199 studio that does the focuses on PlayStation one ports of 845 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,559 like updating those ports and making sure they're running well 846 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,880 on PC and a bunch of other platforms. And that's 847 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,079 in addition to Night Dive and all these other Limited 848 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:14,960 run do they own Limited Run They own a bunch 849 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,840 of different versions of these Hey, let's take old games 850 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,880 and repackage them, and they're they're taking it seriously and 851 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000 doing it as best as they possibly can. And it's 852 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,960 like I want that to continue because that, like it 853 00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,360 does sort of refertilize excitement about these old games. We'll 854 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,920 talk about another collection here before we're done, where it's like, yeah, 855 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,280 I want it even if it's a bunch of bad games, 856 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,719 because I have some nostalgia for them, and I want 857 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,239 a studio that has the right amount of respect for 858 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,519 that stuff to be in charge of it. And that's 859 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,440 certainly the case with everyone under the Atari umbrellas. So yeah, 860 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,840 I think I take this as a good sign that 861 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,519 we're going to keep getting these in a good state. 862 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 2: Agreed. 863 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,599 Speaker 3: And I'm such a mark for like big box like 864 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,800 collector stuff like this for like a reasonable price, especially 865 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,400 if it's like yeah, retro games, I love. So yeah, 866 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,360 I personally, as a consumer, I would love to see 867 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,760 more than you. 868 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: All Right, we'll talk about that other collection here in 869 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,920 a moment. Let's get to Witcher three veterans share Blood 870 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,800 of the don Walker gameplay and set a release. This 871 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,880 is from Andy Robinson at VGC. Rebel Wolves and Vandy 872 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,800 Napco have shared a new gameplay, presentation and story trailer 873 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,400 for the Blood of the don Walker, a new RPG 874 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,400 from a group of former Witcher three veterans. A reminder, 875 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,400 this is what if Witcher three veterans made a vampire 876 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,199 RPG with a hard narrative clock and a day night duality. 877 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 2: There's this idea of. 878 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: You're a human during the day and a vampire at night, 879 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,280 and then there's a huge heavy choice and consequences system. 880 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,920 So they're really going all out with the RPG side 881 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,800 of this. It sounds pretty cool. There was early talks 882 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,960 for this game of like a thirty day calendar, but 883 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,119 it doesn't sound like it's as sort of hard and 884 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,000 fast as the Major's Mask was, where it's like if 885 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,039 you didn't beat it in three days, you fail. It's 886 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,119 like this is more about creating a little bit of 887 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,840 extra pressure so that interesting things happen because you're rushing 888 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239 things or whatever and just adding some more fuel to 889 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,760 the storytelling fire. I'm excited about this. I like the 890 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,119 idea of just vampire gameplay mechanics is such a fun 891 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,480 playground that I don't think we've done enough with and 892 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,360 the people who kind of learned a lot from which 893 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,599 are three applying those lessons to this concept. 894 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,679 Speaker 2: I'm all into it and it looks pretty good. What 895 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,239 do you think? Yeah? 896 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 3: I kind of liking it to something like persona metaphor 897 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,559 stuff like that, with that in game calendar, but with 898 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,000 like a gothic horror ish vibe, like that's that speaks 899 00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,960 to me in ways that I really never knew. And yeah, 900 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,519 it's coming out September, so yeah, we don't have to 901 00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,000 wait much much longer. I'm personally really excited for this. 902 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,239 I have this on Fantasy Critics, so hell yeah, I 903 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,440 hope it's good. And yeah, they had something at packs West. 904 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,760 I don't know if they did any hands on, but 905 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,920 they had like a booth just kind of with like 906 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:05,199 a opportunity, so you know, they started marketing it months ago, 907 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,800 even over a year ago, maybe, So the September date 908 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,880 is a little shocking based on how. 909 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 2: You're right, I didn't say that September third. 910 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,039 Speaker 3: I keep going though, Yeah, yeah, the September day is 911 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,199 a little shocking just based on how early it started 912 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,519 marketing it. But I mean, yeah, this this game is 913 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,719 one of my most anticipated for twenty twenty six, and 914 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,400 miaues out of for it. 915 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I like, I'm not gonna set my 916 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,920 expectations like through the Roof, but like it's a solid, fun, 917 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:33,559 good game that has issues. 918 00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 2: Man, I'll take that. If it's got all these interesting 919 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,079 systems happening here, and. 920 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 3: If it's not like one hundred hours too that that 921 00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:39,880 that would be pretty cool. 922 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would hit. That would hit, and then you 923 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,920 know it is. It is that team from Whicher three. 924 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,639 Speaker 1: At least some of the people there that one of 925 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,159 the lessons they did learn is just keep updating the thing, 926 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,800 updating the thing forever, and it will like, it'll renew 927 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,159 its interest among the fan base and it will keep selling. Obviously, 928 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,119 Witch Youer three is a little bit of a unicorn 929 00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,079 when it comes to that. But I don't think that 930 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:02,320 means don't learn that lesson. I think it means try 931 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,159 to get to that place where this game is also 932 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,199 beloved in that way and remind the fan base if 933 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,119 there's anything you like here, we're going to keep making 934 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:11,320 that better, and if there's anything you don't like, we're 935 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,400 going to work to fix that. And I think that 936 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,119 this game comes out and it's got just some decent ideas, 937 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,159 that'll be a really good start. And that's where I'm 938 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:23,480 at with games like this right now, where any studio 939 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:27,039 trying to make a new IP outside of a very 940 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,199 very large studio structure or large publisher structure, it just 941 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,559 gets something out the first time that shows off the 942 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,360 strength of the ideas, and then if it does okay, 943 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,840 followed up with a sequel where you already have all 944 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,000 the tools and processes in place to be like, Okay, 945 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,039 now we know what we're doing, let's really hit the 946 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:44,559 home run. 947 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,079 Speaker 2: With the next game. 948 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: And I would imagine that the or at this point, 949 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:49,480 maybe with this game it's not with the next game, 950 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:51,880 but with several updates and get it to a point 951 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,440 where it becomes a beloved game totally. 952 00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 2: Done. 953 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: Quick is coming to Europe for the first time with 954 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,000 three days of games Com speed runs. This is from 955 00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,800 Andy Robinson at VGC charity games speed running event Games 956 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,639 Done Quick is coming to Europe for the first time 957 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,760 thanks to a collaboration with games Com. Games Com GDQ 958 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,480 will take place during this year's Expo, which is held 959 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,920 annually in Cologne, Germany, for three days of live programming, 960 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,000 which will also be streamed to Twitch and YouTube. As 961 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,079 with previous GDQ events, games Com GDQ will showcase a 962 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:26,519 curated lineup of speed runs performed by top players from 963 00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:32,320 around the world. This is the expansion of GDQ continues. 964 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,559 Speaker 2: To be a great thing. 965 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: They are they did some stuff at PAS doing stuff 966 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,400 with games Com. It's like, oh yeah, that is a 967 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,320 real strong way to sort of expand the brand and 968 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,320 to bring even more excitement to this excellent fundraising mechanism. 969 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,519 You know, there are there two solo, big standalone events 970 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,599 of Games Done Quick and Summer Games Done Quick. 971 00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 2: Are awesome Games Done Quick and Summer Games Done Quick. 972 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,199 Speaker 1: And it was like, oh yeah, they could keep adding 973 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,119 other stuff to the calendar, but does that take away 974 00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,400 from those bigger events. Maybe maybe not, but it's like, 975 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,000 oh no, actually, just go to where where people already 976 00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,119 are in this space and bring some of that GDQ 977 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,719 magic and kind of like you know, it's two flavors 978 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,800 to go great together, right, I'm I'm all in favor 979 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,039 of this. 980 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:13,559 Speaker 2: What do you think? 981 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, same exactly. This is like all positive, just 982 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,039 more opportunity to raise millions of dollars for good causes, 983 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:25,159 is you know? That's never a bad thing, And just 984 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,679 in terms of building a community. You know, there's people 985 00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:32,599 who are probably fans of UH Game's done quick overseas 986 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,599 who've never really had a chance to attend live and 987 00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,039 so this gives them the opportunity as well. Is it 988 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,000 just games common Germany or are they doing latam as well? 989 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,239 Where it's it's still a great, great thing. 990 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 2: I bet there's like one leads to the other. 991 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any announcement regarded to the 992 00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,599 Latin American one, which is going to be in it's 993 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:51,480 in Brazil here in. 994 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,119 Speaker 2: A little bit, right, it's actually I think actually think 995 00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:55,360 it's I think it's the next week. 996 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,679 Speaker 1: Actually, oh well yeah, so so probably not. But I 997 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,280 bet if this does well, that's always something that could happen. 998 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,280 There's a ton of speed runners in South America that 999 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,920 would be that would be awesome to see. Okay, last 1000 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,119 couple of stories here. A six game collection of retro 1001 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:13,000 rug Rats titles is coming next month. This is from 1002 00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,039 Chris Scullying at VGC. A six game compilation of retro 1003 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:21,519 games based on Rugrats is coming next month. Rugrats Retro 1004 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,760 rewind Collection, which I'm going to struggle to say I 1005 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,199 think every time too many Ours, is being released on 1006 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,119 PS five and Nintendo Switched by Limited Run, with a 1007 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,519 digital release coming on May fifteenth. Pre Orders are also 1008 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,920 being taken for a physical edition, with the pre order 1009 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,599 period running from May first through May thirty first. The 1010 00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:44,280 compilation contains Rugrats Search for Reptar for PS one, the 1011 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,480 Rugrats Movie for game Boy, the Rugrats Movie for Game 1012 00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,840 Boy Color, Rugrats Time Travelers for Game Boy Color, Rugrats 1013 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,039 a Studio Tour for PS one, Rugrats in Paris the 1014 00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,800 Movie for PS one and game Boy Color, and Rugrats 1015 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,119 Castle Capers. 1016 00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 2: For Game Boy Advance. 1017 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: According to Limited Run, each game will have a number 1018 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,159 of options typical in emulated collections, such as screen filters, 1019 00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,719 safe states in a rewind feature, as well as a 1020 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,039 music player. You know, these licensed game collections have become 1021 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,800 more and more frequent have been coming up more and 1022 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,599 more frequently. The last one that kind of hit was that, 1023 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,199 the the rin and Stimpy one. It's like, man, those 1024 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,760 games are famously bad, and yet I I love this. 1025 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,199 And right now, Miles, I'm going through a bunch of 1026 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,239 old Simpsons games and it's like, so many of these 1027 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,400 are utter trash, and yet they're so interesting that I'm like, 1028 00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,960 I hope we get a collection just like one of these. 1029 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:41,559 And Ruggrats is definitely one of those ones where, like you, 1030 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,480 if you were a kid at a certain period of 1031 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:45,159 time and you had a Game Boy, you had a 1032 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:48,159 Game Boy mats, you had a PlayStation one, you probably 1033 00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:49,119 had a Rugrats game. 1034 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,079 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. 1035 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like if you had if you 1036 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,119 were raised on a PS one, odds are you had? 1037 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,440 I had it. I know a lot of my friends. 1038 00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,639 I don't know why that happened, But this is one 1039 00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:04,280 of those collections where it's like, like you said, the 1040 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,719 games aren't you know, necessarily the best games are around, 1041 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,559 but it might be one of those collections where you 1042 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:14,440 buy it just for the modernized version of Regrets in Paris. 1043 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:19,440 Excuse me what there? It is similar to like marvel 1044 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,920 bris capcom collection where you just bought it for Marvels 1045 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,800 Fris Capcom two. But yeah, I mean having the chance 1046 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,960 to just at least check them out if you're in 1047 00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:32,079 intention is only to buy it for just that one game. Sure, 1048 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:32,480 why not? 1049 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, you know going through those old Simpsons games, Uh, 1050 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,599 it is something I'm noticing where it's like I almost 1051 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,840 like to see how they're bad now, because there was 1052 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,519 that one period in like nineteen ninety one where there 1053 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,880 were four Simpsons games all just coming out back to 1054 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,480 back to back, and some of them are like way 1055 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,559 more famous than others for sure, and it's like, oh man, 1056 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:55,320 what is this game boy one that I haven't really 1057 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,519 ever seen anyone. 1058 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,039 Speaker 2: Talk about before? 1059 00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:59,119 Speaker 1: And you go in there, it's like, Okay, this is 1060 00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,639 a little bit better than Bart's Bart's Nightmare or whatever, 1061 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,840 or Bart versus the Space Mutants, but you could see 1062 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,280 the DNA. 1063 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 2: Oh so this is the same development studio. What lessons 1064 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,280 did they learn? 1065 00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 1: And it's like they learned to just kind of make 1066 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,840 it even cheaper or whatever and then make it look 1067 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,039 a little bit more like the Simpsons. And I like 1068 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,440 seeing that progression now. That is it's an academic curiosity, 1069 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,519 which is how I would approach any one of these 1070 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,559 collections like knowing a lot of these games are going 1071 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,800 to be trash, but I don't know. I have a 1072 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,000 real soft spot for trash at this point in my life, 1073 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,840 miles after so much time playing bad games on like 1074 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,199 light Club, that I kind of want to see more 1075 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,880 and more of these exact kind of collections. Licensed games 1076 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,039 are licensed games are It's had such a sordid history. 1077 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,159 There was a time where you could just guarantee it's 1078 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,880 going to be bad if it's licensed. That's changed a lot, 1079 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:50,119 although it's mostly changed in that they just stopped making 1080 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:50,960 them for the most. 1081 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 2: Part, not across the board, but for the most part. 1082 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,119 Speaker 1: All right, last story here, Digital Bros Acquire wu Chong 1083 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,519 Fallen Feathers IP. This is from Sal Ramano at Kamatsu 1084 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,760 five oh five Games. Parent company Digital Bros. Is entered 1085 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,639 into an agreement with Chinese developer lind Zi Games to 1086 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,320 acquire the intellectual property rights for Wuchong Fallen Feathers. The 1087 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,039 company has announced five O five games published that Lindsay 1088 00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:20,079 made the game, and you know, Digital Bros Is the 1089 00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,599 parent company for the whole operation. Wuchong sold like a 1090 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,119 million copies. It did pretty well. So my reading here 1091 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,639 is is this a situation where publishers are going to 1092 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,000 be doing a thing where they'll let an independent studio 1093 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:41,079 or a studio from from Asia that they want to 1094 00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,039 partner with do the brunt of the work to create 1095 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,000 something new, and if it hits, then they're like, Okay, 1096 00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:49,440 we found a winner. Let's go and invest in it 1097 00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:52,559 at this point because it has guaranteed name recognition and 1098 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,440 will sort of this will be like one of the 1099 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,079 things that we now treat as one of our primary 1100 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,360 properties going forward, sort of doing a backward research and 1101 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,679 development of like what can succeed and being like you 1102 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,519 guys take on the brunt of the risk. We'll step 1103 00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,679 in and help a little bit, but if it works, 1104 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,280 we'll buy it from you and run it forward. Do 1105 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,760 you think that's what kind of happened here? 1106 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 3: Maybe actually yeah, yeah. And I will wonder if, like 1107 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:18,960 if like I don't know if they've announced any other 1108 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,280 games in this IP, but I wonder if, like, like 1109 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,559 you said, if they had and they make a stinker 1110 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,360 and it doesn't perform well, both you know, financially and critically, 1111 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,159 if this is one of the things where we own 1112 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,920 it but it didn't do well, So now we're just 1113 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,880 not gonna make it anymore. It's kind of that's the 1114 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,280 read I get. Just I don't know, maybe that's pessimistic, but. 1115 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:44,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of I understand. 1116 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like I wonder, like, does Lindsay Games 1117 00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:51,400 be like okay and we'll we'll make the next one, 1118 00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:53,880 or do they sort of find a different studio to 1119 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,480 take it on. Yeah, it's it's it is. It's a 1120 00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:00,039 little bit weird. We haven't seen this a ton, but 1121 00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:01,519 I wonder if it's a situation where it's like the 1122 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:05,079 game did pretty well, but in order to like sort 1123 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,639 of get everyone involved to feel happy about continuing down 1124 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,880 the path of maybe making sequels, Di Joe bros Is like, well, 1125 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,599 we need more ownership. And yeah, it's a much more 1126 00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,719 cynical version of this where it's okay, they want to 1127 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,079 have they want to have a bigger piece of the pie, 1128 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,360 which would be unfortunate because like they yeah, sure they 1129 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,000 provided some of the support to get this game out, 1130 00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:26,719 but again they're not the ones that like did the 1131 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,880 real work to make the thing have value in the 1132 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,960 first place. And the people who did have sold the 1133 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,400 rights now hopefully they got handsomely rewarded that that would 1134 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,599 be the idea here, but we'll see. I don't do 1135 00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:39,920 you do you expect them to follow up with it 1136 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,960 just a straight up sequel, because that's what this kind 1137 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:42,639 of suggests to me. 1138 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm kind of thinking, and I believe. Yeah, 1139 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,360 it's a Chinese developer and it's based on like Chinese 1140 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,639 myth if I'm not mistaken. I haven't played it, but 1141 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960 I've seen, like, you know, stuff about it. I wonder 1142 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,840 if it's one of those things, if they follow up 1143 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,840 or they just only release it in the Chinese market, 1144 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,639 which would would be big enough on its own. 1145 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely maybe. 1146 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,119 Speaker 1: All right, we'll see, we'll follow up if anything does 1147 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:11,760 break there that was going to do it for the 1148 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,440 headlines everybody. We do have a poll up question for 1149 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,760 Monday that we should get to. Let's go hop over there. 1150 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,280 I'm going to refresh to make sure I have the 1151 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,800 most recent results. Have you played Alien Isolation? Forty six 1152 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,519 percent of people said yes, fifty four percent said no. 1153 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,400 That's on four thousand votes, so pretty good sample size there. 1154 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,320 This is one of those games where now that a 1155 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,599 sequel's coming, will I think what happens, especially in the 1156 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:43,800 horror game Space miles Is. People like the idea of 1157 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,440 new games in that genre, but they also like the 1158 00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,039 idea of like spending their like investing their time on 1159 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,480 something that will continue to pay off as new games 1160 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:55,280 come out. That's one of the reasons Resident Evil is 1161 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,119 continues to grow. I think, in my opinion, is that 1162 00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:00,440 people know if they spend their time on one of 1163 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,159 those games, they're going to get more resident eval in 1164 00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,159 the future because Capcom is not going to stop making them. 1165 00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:08,119 And then there's this huge library of games that exists 1166 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,760 from you know, the before times and then all these remakes. 1167 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,400 It's like there's just this abundance and so anytime you 1168 00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,440 invest in there is going to pay off, and I 1169 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,960 think people like that idea a lot. So now that 1170 00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,039 we know an Alien Isolation too is happening, I think 1171 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:25,239 it's like the time is ripe for people to rediscover 1172 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,079 this game. And so forty six percent people already having 1173 00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,199 played it. That's a huge number, but there's a lot 1174 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,719 of people in the rest of that audience that will 1175 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,400 check this game out. 1176 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,519 Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, that doesn't act great and 1177 00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,480 it's always on sale, and like Steam and pretty much 1178 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,199 any other good Point to or Front as well, And 1179 00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,239 if I remember correctly, when it first came out, it 1180 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,840 didn't get the best reviews of it. After time, it 1181 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,400 like became kind of generally accepted as one of the 1182 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,519 best war games of all time. 1183 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 2: Oh classic. 1184 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love horror games. I actually haven't played this yet, 1185 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,119 which is like one of my biggest woes. But yeah, 1186 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,760 now that part two is coming out, this this is 1187 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,360 one I'm definitely gonna play before I have a chance 1188 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,800 to play the next one. Yeah, I'm stoked for it. 1189 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:08,639 Speaker 1: Excellent sor right, We have a new poll question that 1190 00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:11,800 we'll get to here in a second. Before we do that, though, Miles, 1191 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,119 whyn't you tell people where they can find you on 1192 00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,000 the internet, what you have going on and all that 1193 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:15,639 good stuff. 1194 00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:18,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm mostly on Blue Sky at Miles of Benza. 1195 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,199 That's Miles with a why what do I have going on? 1196 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,159 I'm freelancing everywhere. I have a couple of big cool 1197 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,639 things coming out on Kotaku tomorrow morning. And then yeah, 1198 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:33,559 if you're going to Magic Con in Vegas this weekend, 1199 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,119 I'll be there. A lot of games media folks will 1200 00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:40,880 be there, So say, hif if you'd like I'll be 1201 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,760 around SGF. I'll be at San Diego Comic Con. Probably 1202 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,360 we'll be at Anime Expo too. It's uh, that's up 1203 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,519 in the air, but yeah, I go to pretty much 1204 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:54,199 every show on the West Coast because I am bad 1205 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:54,639 with money. 1206 00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure people love to see you there. 1207 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: Definitely, everyone should say hi if they see you, and yes, 1208 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,559 stay busy man, that's awesome. Yeah, all right, it's new 1209 00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,199 poll question. Are you getting Final Fantasy seven rebirth on? 1210 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,400 Switch to yes, sir no, just kind of want to 1211 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,840 listen to other type ticking the temperature, y'all, Like, let's 1212 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,800 see what people are thinking. Have you been waiting on 1213 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,559 this game? And now this is a good opportunity to 1214 00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,880 hop on. That pole is up there right now. If 1215 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,159 you go to YouTube dot com slash at Giant Bomb 1216 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,760 the post tab, you can find it there. We often 1217 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,360 post stuff on there about what's happening on the site. 1218 00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:26,559 But the poles go up there each and every or 1219 00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,000 after each and every Game Mess Mornings, and you can 1220 00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,599 go vote right now. We'll get the results and talk 1221 00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,039 about it here on Game Mess Mornings here on Giant Bomb. 1222 00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaking of Giant Bomb, it's happening today. It's Wednesday, so 1223 00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,199 we got some other stuff cooking. But yeah, it's time 1224 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,400 to get back to the Blake Club everybody. Dan's going 1225 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,079 to be continuing Space Ace for Super Nintendo just forty 1226 00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:52,280 minutes left. Look, I think there is a possibility that 1227 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,559 he beats that game today. I think it's probably more 1228 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,800 likely that he kind of sees what is like everything 1229 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,039 that is in front of him, and then he puts 1230 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:04,159 together the run next week. But man, this is you 1231 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,199 do not want to miss this for people who have 1232 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,119 been asking for Mike or for Mike to give Dan 1233 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,679 his come up. And it's happened, and you can watch 1234 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,559 it every week on Blake Club, including today's episode. 1235 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 2: All right, let's see here. Anything else that we have 1236 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,440 happened worth mentioning? 1237 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,639 Speaker 1: There was new Portal Pals. People should go check that 1238 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:23,079 out if you're a premium member. If you're not going 1239 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:26,079 to make it happen, excellent. All right, myles, thank you 1240 00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:27,480 so much for hanging out with me today and talking 1241 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,280 about video games. 1242 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 2: Man, I really appreciate it. 1243 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me. This was a ton 1244 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,039 of fun. I would I would love to come back. 1245 00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah we will, We will make it happen. Again you're right, 1246 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,880 that was fun, great conversations. Really appreciate it. Man, Thank 1247 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,480 you all for watching and listening. You're the best audience 1248 00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,239 in gaming. Until next time, have a good one, take 1249 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,719 care of yourself and goodbye.