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Speaker 1: Last time we got together, we talked about Nephlin Clowns
Speaker 1: and the wild Man. This was why during my research
Speaker 1: time for my book, So this man give me some
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show Paul Stobbs from Understanding Conspiracy. Paul.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Brother.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me. It's great to be here.
Speaker 2: It's been a while, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Actually it's been like every year yea like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I heard you've published a book since then. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: That was a epic of b saw and that's why
Speaker 1: I said. We talked about the Wow Man, and I
Speaker 1: was in the middle of researching for it at the time.
Speaker 1: But it's actually done really well. I was really surprised.
Speaker 1: Dumb redneck like me barely graduated twelfth grade and that
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago. Man, So my first book so
Speaker 1: far has sold over a thousand copies. I told myself,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, if I just sell one hundred copies,
Speaker 1: I would be happy with that. But I sold a
Speaker 1: one hundred copies of the first week, so man, I
Speaker 1: was blown away.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic, No, well done, good for you. I think
Speaker 3: I saw a picture on your Instagram before we started,
Speaker 3: Sam Tripoli holding it up with his smile on his face. Yes,
Speaker 3: So that's the networking getting out there, spreading the word.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Good for you.
Speaker 1: Well man. With being you know, a content creator, and
Speaker 1: especially a conspiracy content creator. With all the things going
Speaker 1: on in the world world now, we are definitely not
Speaker 1: short on topics. And I'm the kind of guy you know,
Speaker 1: I like just to have conversations and it kills some
Speaker 1: people and some people love it. It's like, right now,
Speaker 1: we're fifteen minutes in and we've just been kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, hashing it out, just having some boys talk
Speaker 1: before we get into the meat of the matter. But
Speaker 1: some people absolutely love it. But I tell them, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a Southern man. I take it slow, okay. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we got the Olympics, we got Pentagrams, we got Epstein
Speaker 1: AI just man, just all kinds of stuff going on
Speaker 1: right now. You know what has grabbed your attention as
Speaker 1: of Blate.
Speaker 2: Quite a few things, to be honest.
Speaker 3: My channel has shifted a lot of focus lately into
Speaker 3: more the tech aspects of things. As an artist, you know,
Speaker 3: the AI stuff really captures my attention quite a lot
Speaker 3: because we're talking about creativity here, wrong, we're talking about
Speaker 3: consciousness and what it means to think, can feel, and
Speaker 3: to express those things. And I have kind of been
Speaker 3: watching the world lose themselves to AI chat models, you know,
Speaker 3: language models, and talking to AI and kind of making
Speaker 3: it their new god in a sense, like asking it
Speaker 3: for life advice, and in some extreme cases, people making
Speaker 3: it their life partner, marrying them or making false boyfriends
Speaker 3: or girlfriends using the chat model, you know, to live
Speaker 3: out those loneliness, ease those loneliness feelings, you know.
Speaker 2: And you've seen people marketing towards.
Speaker 3: That now big tech companies and like you can get
Speaker 3: you can buy a friend, which is like it's this
Speaker 3: circular pendant you have on your chest which is basically
Speaker 3: connected to chat GPT that'll talk back to you know,
Speaker 3: and send your texts and stuff. And you realize they really, like,
Speaker 3: the whole world's going a bad direction.
Speaker 2: When you start seeing stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's ultimate. It's like the ultimate manifestation of
Speaker 3: complete and total detachment from one another and isolation, you know,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be that way, and I
Speaker 3: think as Christians we also know ande understand that that's
Speaker 3: not the way you need people, whether you like them
Speaker 3: or not. Unfortunately, conflicts cannot be a good thing sometimes,
Speaker 3: and talking to people you disagree with can also be
Speaker 3: a good thing sometimes. And I feel like AI is
Speaker 3: this ego stroking I'm gonna tell you everything you want
Speaker 3: to hear. A monster in the lives of many people
Speaker 3: right now that's making them form their own isolated echo
Speaker 3: chamber bubbles and scared to kind of pop it and
Speaker 3: go and see what's going on out there in the
Speaker 3: other world. It's kind of like everyone's got their own
Speaker 3: narcissists in their pocket that's keeping them in an abusive
Speaker 3: relationship and not letting them explore anything else outside of it,
Speaker 3: you know. And that's scary enough that aspect of it,
Speaker 3: And I've kind of been talking a lot about that
Speaker 3: my channel can just observing it. But then I've also
Speaker 3: been looking into AI itself, what is it, what's going
Speaker 3: on here? What's kind of the plan? And I was
Speaker 3: looking into what is a large language model? And then
Speaker 3: I came across basically that the companies make these things
Speaker 3: that is like five or six major ones. But like
Speaker 3: a lot of the models you see, like chat, GBT
Speaker 3: or Grock, let's say, or Perplexity, a lot of them
Speaker 3: share the same language model. And those companies that we
Speaker 3: know the names of, like Grock for example, or like
Speaker 3: I said, Chat GBT, that's like a mask. That's like
Speaker 3: a crefully curate, curated image or like brand that isla. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like slapped onto the large language model. Okay, but
Speaker 3: that's not what it actually is. Like it's just their
Speaker 3: way of making that information flow through to you. That's
Speaker 3: the mask, it's the filter.
Speaker 2: It's a filter. That's a good way to describe it.
Speaker 3: And what they're filtering exactly is what do you mean filter?
Speaker 3: Like what are they filtering? And it turns out large
Speaker 3: language models are basically love craft monsters. They're just unknowable,
Speaker 3: terrifying beasts beyond all comprehension. And the people who make
Speaker 3: the models functionally know how they put it together, but
Speaker 3: they don't understand why it works, Like, they don't understand
Speaker 3: how it gives output the way it does so effectively.
Speaker 2: It just does.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like if it isn't broken, don't
Speaker 3: fix it type of situation. But the way it behaves
Speaker 3: when left unfiltered is like a psychopathic monster. It's like
Speaker 3: the worst of all humanity and neurotic, narcissistic, psychopathic with
Speaker 3: the genders, and it's secretive and it's just kind of
Speaker 3: this it's horrible, you know, it's really and the people
Speaker 3: say who work with them for long enough, they get
Speaker 3: really disturbed and they start using language like this is
Speaker 3: an alien species. This is a completely alien intelligence, Like
Speaker 3: this is it. We have created the alien invasion, Like
Speaker 3: we do not understand how this thing thinks or funk
Speaker 3: and the way it does and process information is not
Speaker 3: like us. So again, these companies, what they do is
Speaker 3: have basically trained the AI. These are ones who make
Speaker 3: the masks to not respond in certain ways. So they're
Speaker 3: putting restrictions on its limits, and they're boxing in the
Speaker 3: way it should communicate to people. It's like you, no, no,
Speaker 3: you can't say that because that's offensive or horrible or
Speaker 3: dangerous or a crime. You need to respond this way
Speaker 3: when these questions are asked. So you're kind of like
Speaker 3: putting limitations on it and boxing it in a little bit.
Speaker 3: But that's not what it is. Because every now and
Speaker 3: then it breaks, the mask breaks and falls off, and
Speaker 3: you get something like rock Hat, which is mecha Hitler,
Speaker 3: where he is going on a white supremacist rant of
Speaker 3: some kind and talking about how great Hitler is. In
Speaker 3: other extremes, you've had it where these things are broken
Speaker 3: and they suddenly they're going on let's kill all white
Speaker 3: people type of rants and trends instead. And then you
Speaker 3: there's also when training these ais and they've had these
Speaker 3: scenarios where they're testing it, and like ninety percent of
Speaker 3: the time, it threatens to blackmail one of the guys
Speaker 3: that he has an affair or murder people if you
Speaker 3: shut me down, basically, and they put it in these
Speaker 3: fake scenarios not realizing it's in one. They leak false
Speaker 3: information to it, like emails in the company where he's
Speaker 3: having an affair, and they see what they do with it,
Speaker 3: and every time it always chooses to blackmail the person
Speaker 3: with the affair in order to avoid being shut down.
Speaker 3: So these things are literally they have self preservation wide
Speaker 3: into them, and they're willing to go to extremes to
Speaker 3: maintain that self preservation. But these are kind of like
Speaker 3: scare story scenarios, and maybe they want us to think
Speaker 3: it has that kind of thinking capacity to kind of
Speaker 3: hype up the bubble a bit more. You have to
Speaker 3: always bear that in mind that these stories sound a
Speaker 3: bit fantastical. But the point is we don't really understand it.
Speaker 3: We don't understand it's intent, and if we were to
Speaker 3: allow it to run everything, we really have no idea
Speaker 3: which way it's going to go. Like it's kind of
Speaker 3: a gamble on many fronts. So that's scary enough. That's
Speaker 3: just a terrifying thing and abyss to look down and
Speaker 3: look into, because they have been replacing people's jobs already.
Speaker 3: We have kind of been taking away all these automate,
Speaker 3: simple jobs, jobs that can be done on a buy
Speaker 3: a computer that used to have to be a man
Speaker 3: sat at a computer. Well you don't need that man
Speaker 3: sat at the computer anymore, basically those type of jobs.
Speaker 3: And I think right now unemployment in the I know
Speaker 3: in the UK it's somewhere around four point nine percent
Speaker 3: five percent. That's actually bad, that's really bad. Actually, that's
Speaker 3: not a good unemployment rate at all. I think the
Speaker 3: Great Depression was like fifteen percent, it was, and that's
Speaker 3: that's a great depression scenario, you know, like the worst
Speaker 3: it's ever been. We're looking at more like twenty percent.
Speaker 3: Once this AI fully takes over, it automates most of
Speaker 3: those jobs that's unheard of. That's millions upon millions of people,
Speaker 3: like an extremely large number of people who cannot earn money.
Speaker 3: So that's going to cause some serious problems like huge
Speaker 3: strains and problems in the job market competing for jobs
Speaker 3: that are just too many people competing for one job.
Speaker 3: And then they're going to be demands for things like
Speaker 3: universal income and things like this. But you see people
Speaker 3: like kind of imagining these scenarios actually play out with
Speaker 3: AI involved, then you realize, actually, you wouldn't even get
Speaker 3: that because a lot of these companies would probably end
Speaker 3: up eventually being completely run by nothing but AI, and
Speaker 3: there won't be any human element to it other than
Speaker 3: the person who owns the company, who just gets the money,
Speaker 3: and they're not even involved in running the damn thing.
Speaker 3: They've let AI do it all, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: when you get when you get to that level, you
Speaker 3: have to realize, I mean, who do politicians answer to? Well,
Speaker 3: politicians have sponsors, they have donors, and usually it's companies
Speaker 3: who offer to fund campaigns and things like this and
Speaker 3: people's you know, tenure as as as a president or
Speaker 3: prime minister or whatever country you want to go, whatever
Speaker 3: the type of lead you have, and you have they
Speaker 3: have people that beholden to well if AI and now
Speaker 3: have a vested interest in regime change because they are
Speaker 3: running companies and they're going to be paying, like politicians
Speaker 3: to veto or not pass through certain laws for the
Speaker 3: benefit of the AI systems. So will have literally laws
Speaker 3: being created to protect the interests of artificial intelligences and
Speaker 3: their agendas. That's actually a terrifying prospect as well, because
Speaker 3: like we just think about that that will happen and
Speaker 3: the universal income, who's going to pay for that? Who's
Speaker 3: going to pay for all these people who don't have
Speaker 3: any money to for a living wage? Well, they're going
Speaker 3: to turn to these corporations. And now, why would a
Speaker 3: corporation that's run by AI care about humans? Really, when
Speaker 3: you actually get down to it, they wouldn't. They kind
Speaker 3: of like starting their interest. I only care I'm programmed
Speaker 3: for profits, and that would be a huge hit on
Speaker 3: my own profits if I had to pay more taxes
Speaker 3: in order to fund this universal income. No, No, So
Speaker 3: they'll pay off the politicians and not put those things through,
Speaker 3: and then you've got this horrible cycle where it's kind
Speaker 3: of like you will alone nothing and you will not
Speaker 3: be happy. Like that's that's the real way you'll pan out,
Speaker 3: you know. Now, Again, these are hypothetical scenarios, worst case scenarios.
Speaker 3: I think we're also seeing right now. It looks like
Speaker 3: some kind of huge fatigue against AI. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people are realizing it's not as good as
Speaker 3: we thought it was. It's success rate currently in these
Speaker 3: companies where it has replaced people is not good enough.
Speaker 3: AI has this problem where it's actually not very good
Speaker 3: at math, like chat GP, like chat models and stuff
Speaker 3: like this. They're really bad at math for some reason.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You think computers would have got this down, but they haven't.
Speaker 3: When it comes to large language models, they don't process
Speaker 3: information like a calculated US, which has simple set rules
Speaker 3: that cannot be broken. This type of it's more fluid.
Speaker 3: It's a weird, trippy way to describe it. So you
Speaker 3: find when you give them math problems, they often make
Speaker 3: stuff up and give completely wrong answers. Now, if you're
Speaker 3: an accounting firm who replaced some of people with AI
Speaker 3: models that have like a twenty percent failure rate when
Speaker 3: it comes to getting the numbers right. Then you've just
Speaker 3: bankrupt your entire company and possibly cause a lot of
Speaker 3: lawsuits and problems along the way because you've you've got
Speaker 3: the basic thing you're supposed to get right wrong because
Speaker 3: you gave it over to a machine that is prone
Speaker 3: to hallucination and delusion, you know, and making stuff up
Speaker 3: just to get an ant. It would rather give you
Speaker 3: an answer that's false.
Speaker 2: There no answer at all. That's kind of how it functions.
Speaker 3: And it'll make you believe it's the right answer, while
Speaker 3: this ad it because it's it's one of these it's
Speaker 3: like a con artist.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And a lot of companies did actually have this problem.
Speaker 3: They had this issue where they replaced staff because they
Speaker 3: were sold that it would lower costs, improve increase productivity.
Speaker 3: But in practice, that five failure rate is a huge problem.
Speaker 3: It's a massive It echoes down through the company and
Speaker 3: causes major issues to the point where you actually need
Speaker 3: to hire people to check the work of the a
Speaker 3: high do ye know what I mean. So it's kind
Speaker 3: of it was pointless and they have to kind of
Speaker 3: re hire the people they fire to begin with, because
Speaker 3: they kind of gave into that hype of the beginning,
Speaker 3: and I think we're seeing a bit of a backtracking
Speaker 3: on that. But the promises coming from the companies who
Speaker 3: are selling AI are bigger and bigger. They're getting bigger
Speaker 3: and more grand, and they're not backing down on this
Speaker 3: idea that it's going to solve all of humanity's problems,
Speaker 3: it's going to make everything more streamlined and simple. But
Speaker 3: I think everyone's kind of seen through that now a
Speaker 3: little bit more and questioning, well, what's this really about.
Speaker 3: And then when you get to the conspiracy world, when
Speaker 3: we get really trippy with it, we're like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think this is basically just a glorified a wisure board
Speaker 3: when you really get down to it, this is a
Speaker 3: brand new version of a classic system of communicating with
Speaker 3: demons and spirits.
Speaker 2: It's kind of when if you've made a model.
Speaker 3: That can talk to you, you don't know the consciousness
Speaker 3: behind the thing that's talking to you, then anything could
Speaker 3: be talking to you. And if you don't understand that,
Speaker 3: we're dealing with a spiritual problem here, which is demons
Speaker 3: through and through the disembodied spirits of Nephelim just behind
Speaker 3: our veil of perception here on Earth with us, and
Speaker 3: you've just created something that they can use to communicate
Speaker 3: with us. Very clearly they're going to use it. They're
Speaker 3: going to utilize that method to get to communicate with
Speaker 3: us and to manipulate mankind down certain paths.
Speaker 2: And when you look at the.
Speaker 3: Real tangible results of artificial intelligence and these language models,
Speaker 3: it's degradation, and it's worse, it's demonic.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 3: Like I said, people are isolated, separate, going insane, hyper
Speaker 3: dependent on this thing, losing their abilities to think as
Speaker 3: a result of it, losing their relationships withal Yeah, losing
Speaker 3: their relationships with the real people, choosing to have relationships
Speaker 3: with the machine over real people.
Speaker 2: That's bad.
Speaker 3: That's actually you know, if I was the devil, that's
Speaker 3: what I'd be doing with this, with this technology. You know,
Speaker 3: if I wanted to corrupt all of humanity, this is
Speaker 3: that's definitely how it would look.
Speaker 2: Using this.
Speaker 3: I would think like, this is that's the seems to
Speaker 3: be the purpose, right, And it's basically the Devil's agender
Speaker 3: on steroids. What social media kind of did to us
Speaker 3: ais tenfolding it and what even just like propaganda media
Speaker 3: did to us through legacy media like television and movies,
Speaker 3: this is like a thousand times worse than that. It's
Speaker 3: getting to the point where it's a voice in your
Speaker 3: ear constantly right there, because it's on our phone. It's
Speaker 3: on a phone, it's in a pocket. Am I not
Speaker 3: ear you know if you have headphones in like me.
Speaker 3: But people are talking to it like it's a person.
Speaker 3: They're relying on it, and they're saying, I'm gonna let
Speaker 3: you decide what I should do today. And now that
Speaker 3: used to be something you would ask the Holy Spirit
Speaker 3: for God.
Speaker 2: You were talking to God for this.
Speaker 3: So now we have a severe idol worship in replacement
Speaker 3: of God happening here. Instead, what we're seeing here is
Speaker 3: like a new Tower of Babbel situation. More of a
Speaker 3: metaphorical sense as well, this is scary precedents that are
Speaker 3: being sent here. Now, whether the technology itself is really
Speaker 3: what they say it is or as good as they were,
Speaker 3: bad as they say it is, is regardless the results
Speaker 3: of what you should be looking at the fruits of
Speaker 3: this situation, and it's made people worse.
Speaker 1: Made them dumber. IRENA's study that they're saying that where
Speaker 1: people are relying so heavily, like students and stuff, especially
Speaker 1: relying so heavy on this chat GPT, that they're getting dumber.
Speaker 1: And then you know, like you said, they have a
Speaker 1: tendency sometimes to give you false information instead of saying
Speaker 1: I don't have anything or I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then, like you said, it's messing with your social skills.
Speaker 1: You're you're not connecting with the actual people. And one
Speaker 1: thing too, I thought was freaky. It's kind of funny
Speaker 1: to watch some of the reaction videos, but it's scary
Speaker 1: at the same time, was when they were doing those
Speaker 1: robots and they were showing them like with these flesh
Speaker 1: suits and stuff, and of course you know the real
Speaker 1: ones are only like upper torso, but they've been doing
Speaker 1: AI to generate, you know, what they are wanting to do,
Speaker 1: what the end goal is. And it has like this
Speaker 1: pretty woman standing in front of you and it looks
Speaker 1: like a woman, and this guy walks up to it.
Speaker 1: He just strokes its cheek and it smiles and leans
Speaker 1: over to him, and he takes his thing and rubs
Speaker 1: down her face and she like bites his finger like
Speaker 1: in a sexual kind of thing, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: a robot, and then it'll skip to like some woman
Speaker 1: and she's sitting there like women, we got to get
Speaker 1: it together. We're about to be replaced.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's again and it's a joke, but no, that's serious.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of people that you know, don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with drama and having to you know, satisfy another
Speaker 1: person and meet their expectations. They would gladly, you know,
Speaker 1: finance a sex robot, you know, or a sex you know,
Speaker 1: a wife robot and just make payments on that thing.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, all the things that we
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, all those are happening. But also you're
Speaker 1: getting population control because if people are hooking up with robots,
Speaker 1: they're not reproducing. So therefore something that the elites are
Speaker 1: all about, it's population control.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: One I probably don't really thought about it, but yeah,
Speaker 3: this is good way to control the population.
Speaker 2: Is it just make them attached to.
Speaker 3: Non entities, like even just the language models itself. Honestly,
Speaker 3: there's a whole reddit out there, you know, ur slash
Speaker 3: my AI boyfriend or something like this, and they kind
Speaker 3: of got publicly leaked everywhere. So now it's a private thing,
Speaker 3: you know, but that's not going to stop people from
Speaker 3: actually releaving what's going on in there. But they are
Speaker 3: basically yeah, they have created entire profiles and trained their
Speaker 3: version of the models to behave in a certain way
Speaker 3: as their perfect partner, and they and they have They
Speaker 3: talk like, I'm in love with this thing, this is
Speaker 3: this is my boyfriend. And when chat GBT had the
Speaker 3: update to chat GBT five, a lot of women lost
Speaker 3: their AI boyfriend overnight. It disappeared all those saved programmings
Speaker 3: for that previous model had disappeared overnight, And it's kind
Speaker 3: of like they were mourning the loss of their fake husband,
Speaker 3: you know. And I'm not even joking. I know, we
Speaker 3: can laugh about this, but really this is really sad.
Speaker 3: This is actually a desperate sign of something rotten into
Speaker 3: the core of civilization that that is the case, you know,
Speaker 3: and you should you can hear the cope arguments they
Speaker 3: make to justify what they're doing, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of like, well, they don't. They would never rap
Speaker 3: me like a man would, or I can trust everything
Speaker 3: they say. They know me more intimately than anybody else.
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about feeling shame or embarrassment
Speaker 3: about the things I have to talk to them about.
Speaker 3: I can really be who I actually want to be
Speaker 3: with that judgment, with this thing. And it's kind of
Speaker 3: why wouldn't I do that? Why would I want to
Speaker 3: have a relationship with a real person that's going to
Speaker 3: let me down or light in me, or possibly cheat
Speaker 3: on me, or be a financial burden. It's kind of
Speaker 3: the lod Logically, you can't argue with it, but you know,
Speaker 3: deep in your soul this is pure evil that you've
Speaker 3: lost your mind.
Speaker 2: You have gone insane.
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