1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: So there was the liberal, mostly white, liberal female point 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,519 of view on what happened in Venezuela. We could debate 3 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:11,279 it legally if you like, but from an operational perspective 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,160 and from a societal perspective, there was a lot of 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,839 liberal women in the United States of America very very upset. 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,800 And then there was the street parties in Venezuela, as 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,399 you see in this video of people celebrating the outstir 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,120 of Maduro as he's taken out and removed by US forces. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,759 That had to be a big shock to the liberal women, 10 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:37,640 mostly all white women, who are very, very concerned about this, 11 00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:39,799 and the Venezuelan stepping in to say, hey, you can 12 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:43,000 be concerned. From where you're sit we're pretty happy about him. Well, 13 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:47,719 talk about that, but more so the operational realities of this. 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: What happened? How did it happened? 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: Is as successful as everybody says, It's not me, it's 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,079 my friend. 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It's Bonefrog Coffee dot 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,480 Com slash Todd promo code Todd. 37 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:09,199 Speaker 2: Michael Rourke joins me, Mike, retired. 38 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: Special Forces Chief over at Advanced Operational Concepts. 39 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: Brother, thank you for coming back on the program. It's 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,000 a pleasure to have you. 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: Here, Todd. Good to talk with you again. Been too long. 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,039 Speaker 1: It has been too long, and immediately I thought of you, 43 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,560 and you're helping me with an interview with a guy 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,000 who knows a little bit about Venezuela that's supposedly going 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,919 to happen next week. 46 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:28,199 Speaker 2: Is a little busy this week. 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Let's start with a video that those of us who 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,400 are not operational haven't served watch and wonder what it is. 49 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:39,560 It's some helicopters flying. It's an operational video, and I 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,639 just see helicopters flying over a city. 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: But what do you see as this is going on? 52 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:51,319 You called this the Delta package. What does that mean? 53 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: It's the Yeah, it's the assault package going in to 54 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,039 grab Maduro. What you're saying in the video are sevens 55 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:05,840 and MH sixty black Hawks that belong to the one 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,719 hundred and sixtieth Special Operations Aviation Regiment, and they are 57 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:16,240 flying in Delta assaulters and very likely Rangers from the 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,919 seventi fifth Ranger Regiment who would serve as an outer 59 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:24,639 security force, and they would be hitting the target, putting 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,800 people on the ground in front of the building, probably 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,919 fast roping onto the roof. Of the building to take 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,680 the objective top and bottom all at once. 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: And this is just phenomenal for people who haven't looked 64 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,879 at the operational details of this. You know, General Raisin 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,319 Kane gave a little well, he gave about a seven 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,560 or eight minutes explanation what happens, Mike, Let's start first 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,199 of all with the complexity of this. I understand it's 68 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:51,680 one hundred and fifty aircraft from twelve locations. Those are 69 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,919 big numbers. But break this down for us from your 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,639 perspective of all the moving pieces and just just rate 71 00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,199 everything here for us. 72 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,039 Speaker 4: This is a sophisticated military choreography that spent in the 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,520 planning for months, probably at least since August. You had 74 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:13,280 naval aviation assets, air force aviation assets, you had electronic 75 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,759 warfare aircraft going in to blind the opposition. I think 76 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:22,000 one of the questions that China's going to ask themselves 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,879 is why didn't their radars work? Because Chinese radars were 78 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:31,000 part of the air defense system. Russian mobile missile launchers 79 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,759 were hit. The whole thing was designed to prevent the 80 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,839 assault package from coming under effective enemy fire. And what's 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,800 really sophisticated and daring about This is that we didn't 82 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,000 suppress the enemy air defenses first. We were doing it 83 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:51,839 simultaneously with the assault going in to maximize the surprise. 84 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:55,399 And of course now the helicopters didn't fly right over Caracas. 85 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:59,199 They would have come around from the least populated route 86 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,839 possible in order to hit the target on that military 87 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,519 base that's outside the city. 88 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:07,319 Speaker 1: It's an extraordinary thing. Michael works with this advanced operational concept. 89 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:09,959 There's a link to his company. You might, as an 90 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,759 executive one day need to get extracted from a place 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,439 like this. Mike can help you with that. It can 92 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,759 also help you secure your facilities against cyber attack, to 93 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:21,720 employee screening, security training. It's advanced operational concept. There's a 94 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,040 link to the company in there. Maduro was on a 95 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:28,920 military base and he'd seem fit to mock our military. 96 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,399 He mocked President Trump saying come and get me, but 97 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,519 do it fast. So he's on a military base. And 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,639 then you told me the sort of building this guy 99 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:37,879 was apparently betting down in. 100 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:42,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, my understanding is a multi story building on the 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,399 military base, which is why it was important to hit 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,759 top end bottom simultaneously. I say, you'll have probably MH 103 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,120 forty seven, hovering right over the roof, you know, feefeed 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,639 over the roof, and then a couple of fast ropes 105 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,000 coming out the back end. The assaulters would be sliding 106 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,560 down like fireman on polls. At the same time, you'll 107 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,199 have another assault team breaching the front entrance. I understand 108 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:09,600 they had to use blow torches to get through some obstacles. 109 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:13,360 They very likely used explosive breaching to get through doors, 110 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:17,399 and they were trying to get to Maduro's quarters before 111 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,519 he had a chance to react. And my understanding is 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,800 they made it just in the nic of time, before 113 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,720 he made it to a safe room, which would have 114 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,279 had like a vault like door, and then might have 115 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,959 taken several hours to get inside, in which case you 116 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:33,800 would have had time for the Venezuelan military to mobilize 117 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,439 and perhaps provide some effective opposition. 118 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: But they were at this point. I got to believe 119 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:39,720 they were. 120 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole phrase that our military leaders 121 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,240 back when before we had the adventure in Dei and 122 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,240 madness and leaving behind a billion dollars equipment and intel 123 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,279 for the Taliban, we use that phrase shock and on. 124 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:55,600 I have to imagine they had no idea what to 125 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:56,480 defend at this point. 126 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: Correct, And also when it comes to an assault, whether 127 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:04,680 hostage rescue or a snash mission like that, the phrase 128 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,160 that we use is speed surprise and violence of action. 129 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: Okay, speed surprise, vines of action. We had the speed 130 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:14,240 surprise and we'll talk about the violence of action here 131 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,399 at the moment. Let's get into some details because those 132 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:19,360 of us who've not served and people who've never been 133 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,720 around anything like service. When you're speed roping out of 134 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,399 a helicopter in that fireman scenario, what's a common package 135 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:30,120 you're carrying weight, and what's commonly with you in an 136 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:30,839 environment like that. 137 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,199 Speaker 4: You're got to have your ballistic helmet, you'll have your 138 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:37,120 body armor, and you're going to have your basic assault kit. 139 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,000 You'll have night vision goggles on top of your helmet. 140 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:45,040 You'll have a series of breaching tools where called Halligan tools, 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,439 which are like similar to what firemen used to pry 142 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,279 open doors. Someone's going to be carrying, you know, there'll 143 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:53,959 be more than one Broco torch, which are these high 144 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:58,720 speed blow torches to get through melt metal obstacles of 145 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,360 quickly saws with metal blaze, pretty heavy saws that again, 146 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:06,560 love this equipment. You see you might see fireman used 147 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,560 on a trying to estricate people from a crushed vehicle. 148 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,319 But so a lot of that's on your back. You'll have, 149 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,279 you know, flex cuffs in order to buying people, and 150 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:19,240 you're gonna have a lot of ammunition because you don't 151 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,759 know what kind of firefight you're going to be in. 152 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,879 Speaker 1: So what you eat operators coming in forty fifty pounds 153 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:25,079 maybe sixty pounds of. 154 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: Kit Yeah, yeah, easily, easily. 155 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 156 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:30,279 Speaker 1: So then the speed rope down. But then you told 157 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:33,240 me that there were operators speed climbing up from the 158 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,279 bottom floors as well. 159 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, they deployed, probably deployed fast ropes to the roof 160 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,159 from an MAH forty seven overhead, and they're sliding down 161 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,840 the fast ropes and then you're you're gonna be breaching 162 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:49,200 the bottom of the target simultaneously. If you can get 163 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,799 multiple breach points going simultaneously, you're going to overwhelm the 164 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,039 target that much faster. And that's why you need a 165 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,039 unit that is is incredibly well trained. He has the 166 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,440 first Special Operations Uh, there's first first Special Forces Operational 167 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:10,159 Detachment Delta to do this because multiple brief points is 168 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,919 incredibly dangerous to your own forces. 169 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:14,519 Speaker 2: Why is that. 170 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:17,799 Speaker 4: Because if you're not well trained, you can easily end 171 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:18,720 up shooting each other. 172 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so getting across you actually coming. 173 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 4: You're coming towards each other and I'm kind of meeting 174 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:27,799 in the middle. Yeah, so why you have to have 175 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:29,440 the incredible level of training. 176 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: So I want to get into some more operational details 177 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,399 here about how they get him back to the aircraft. 178 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:37,480 But being a Special Forces operative, this means seem an 179 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,919 odd question, But how do people respond when they wake 180 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,799 up at four o'clock in the morning and there's five 181 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:47,440 guys with night vision goggles saying good. 182 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: Morning, surrender or die? 183 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:52,399 Speaker 2: So it's just like. 184 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:57,799 Speaker 4: That, Yeah, if if there's if someone's coming into your room, basically, 185 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,639 if the assaulters are coming in, and if you make 186 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,799 a single furtive movement, you'll you'll you'll be dead before 187 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,759 you even have a coherent thought. Okay, And that's what 188 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:10,759 happened to a lot of his Cuban security forces. 189 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about that in a seconds. 190 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,759 Speaker 1: The Cuban security forces, and then the casualties in Venezuelans, 191 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,279 because praise God, there were no American lives lost in this. 192 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:21,919 Speaker 2: Did they speak Spanish? Do they go in? I mean they. 193 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:24,159 Speaker 1: Studied him so well, what he ate, what sort of 194 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:25,919 pets he had, which I guess is relevant to this, 195 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,679 or you're going to be confronted with the guard dog. 196 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,200 But do they say anything? Do they say surrender? I mean, 197 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,120 what would be the common thing? You got the guns, 198 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,679 you got the guys in bed, presumably with his wife. 199 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: Is it like one or two Spanish phrases? And that's it. 200 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,879 Speaker 4: Very likely they would have learned. First of all, they're 201 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:45,840 probably Spanish speakers in the Assault Force. Yeah, because you 202 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,759 know it's the US military is multi ethnic and the 203 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:53,559 Special Operations Forces are no exception. But like in Iraq, 204 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:55,919 we learned a few basic phrases to try to get 205 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,200 people to comply, you know, before our interpreters were in there. 206 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,039 But very likely they had enough people speaking Spanish and 207 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,480 they certainly had the commands down. 208 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 209 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: So when they get in, I understood it was three 210 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,840 minutes they are in and out. So what's the end 211 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:15,080 of the process. He surrenders, He makes it clear he's 212 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,120 not going to do anything. His wife hands up. 213 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: Whatever they're told to do. That the plastic coughs. 214 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: Go on, how do you get a guy like that 215 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,679 then onto the helicopter in three minutes? 216 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: And do you put him in a basket? How do 217 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:26,799 you lift them out? 218 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: You can physically carry him. I remember one time we 219 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,000 did it an air assault in Iraq, and you know, 220 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,039 all we knew is that our target, who was an 221 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,399 al Kada financier, had a limp. And then when we 222 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,240 got in hit the target, we found the guy. We 223 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:45,200 actually found out the limp was because he only had 224 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,720 one leg and which he couldn't tell because of the 225 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,559 good Josh's you know they were, which were almost floor length. Yeah, 226 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,840 and we had to go across a plowed field to 227 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,159 where the helicopters were, which was hard enough to walk 228 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,000 in when you have two good legs. So we just 229 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:02,879 we just physically carried them and threw them into the 230 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:06,720 bottom of the helicopter. So that's probably something similar happened. 231 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,120 If they're out that quick, that means they probably didn't 232 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,080 do any s SE or sensitive sight exploitation, you know, 233 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,120 grabbing documents, hard drives, things like that, you know, But 234 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,519 it seems like I saw some video where it look 235 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,600 like the helicopters on the exfiltration might have it might 236 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,559 have been a significant amount of time later, So they 237 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,440 possibly spend a little bit of time and they're seeing 238 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,559 what they could grab so they get through the whole thing. 239 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,600 As far as taking down the target, Yeah, three minutes 240 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,399 would be would be a pretty good time. 241 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 242 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,519 Speaker 1: And there we watched TV, we watch movies. Uh, we'll 243 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,519 see the they're using the little uh toys. Micro works 244 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:49,519 with this advanced operational concepts. Retired special Forces. They use 245 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,559 these little toys. This flies here, this flies there. I'm 246 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,159 sure there's computer modeling. Do they set up for a 247 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,600 notp like this scenarios where they build a bedroom like 248 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,279 kids and they practice breaching. 249 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: Does that really have. 250 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: Yes, it does. They could have even built the entire 251 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:08,639 building and they've been practicing from I heard, since August 252 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:12,360 and working on a realistic mock up. So they and 253 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:14,840 you know, if they had intel about the inside of 254 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,759 the building, then they would know exactly where they're going. 255 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,519 You know, you have a plan to the breech point, 256 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:22,720 and then once the breech goes down. It's what we 257 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:25,960 call a flow drill. You can't necessarily say, okay, the 258 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,080 first guy in is going to keep staying the first 259 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,720 guy because everyone's breaking off, clearing individual rooms, and you 260 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,279 just flow like water through the building. And that's where 261 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,840 all the training comes in. It's like, it doesn't matter 262 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:40,159 if you're the last person to go in through the 263 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,200 breech point. All of a sudden, now you might be 264 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,879 the first person grabbing Maduro. 265 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: And you guys operate with very little. I mean, you 266 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,200 got to be at this case, in this case quiet 267 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,879 on colms. I mean, is it hand signals, is it 268 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:55,519 minimal calms. I know things have got to be encrypted, 269 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:57,480 et cetera, But I got to think that you guys 270 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:58,879 are as signed as you can be in an op 271 00:13:58,919 --> 00:13:59,559 like this, Right. 272 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna be pretty quiet. But again once once 273 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:05,960 you have an explosive breach, then you know, or in 274 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,279 the bombs or dropping. 275 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:11,279 Speaker 2: Noise, then you can scream and yell and tell people 276 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:11,679 what to do. 277 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:14,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, but they're they're they're not gonna they'll 278 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,120 have their comms on, they'll have uh, you know, uh 279 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:22,480 headsets on their helmets with microphones, so communications minimal. The 280 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:27,240 you you have an overall ground force commander, you have 281 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:31,120 the assault force commander, and they'll primarily be talking to 282 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,440 each other. You'll have Air Force Joint Terminal Attack Controllers 283 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:38,639 or JATAX that'll be saying, hey, we're taking fire from 284 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:41,240 this building, and that's when you'll see you might have 285 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:44,080 seen the video of some close range rocket fire from 286 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,279 a helicopter that that was probably not a not like 287 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,679 you know, not a little bird or not an Apache, 288 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,840 but most likely a uh, what's called a direct action penetrator, 289 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:57,799 which is a version of the m H one sixty 290 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:00,840 that's just hung with a bunch of rockets missiles and 291 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:04,320 that provides close air support. So you got the JATACH talking, 292 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:07,679 you know, making sure the external forces are staying away 293 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,759 by bringing airpower to bear. You have some internal communications 294 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:14,080 going on, but you have brevity codes, you know, so 295 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:15,759 like say, you know, when you got them, you might 296 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:18,399 call jackpot and then you know when you read to 297 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,679 xoble to be a code for that. And then as 298 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,720 you're coming out, you need to make sure people on 299 00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:25,720 the outside know you're coming out because by then you 300 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,919 probably have snipers set up. You know, your sniper's covering 301 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,840 the target and so therefore you don't leave the target unannounced. 302 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,799 Speaker 1: Incredible series of events one hundred and fifty airplanes twelve 303 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:39,639 locations all arrive at the same time. Mike was saying 304 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,759 that they're suppressing and destroying their ability to interrupt our 305 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,039 aircraft at the same time as they're reaching this building 306 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:48,879 three minutes in and outs and in the second Mic, 307 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:51,960 I want you to talk about the significance or maybe 308 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,039 the significance of the fact that Maduro had surrounded himself 309 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,559 not with fellow Venezuelans, but he'd surrounded. 310 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:59,919 Speaker 2: Himself with the Cuban security forces. 311 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,919 Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about this in terms of the 312 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,480 greater picture of American might, because to me, this is very, 313 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:09,840 very good news. We'll continue with Michael Rourke advance operational concepts. Look, 314 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,519 there's no transition for this, it's just no way to 315 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:14,960 do this artfully. I'll just tell you We've got a 316 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,039 great sponsorship for years at the company called Alan Soaps, 317 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,240 like bone Frog, very independent company like bone Frog, couldn't 318 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,639 really afford to come on and. 319 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:26,399 Speaker 2: Purchase ads here, so we have a very special deal. 320 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: We hold back inventory for Alan's because we love the 321 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:32,320 mission it is to hire people like Alan and Ian. 322 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: The rest of the world would call them useless, They're. 323 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:38,159 Speaker 1: Far from that. They're great kids. Alan can't speak very well. 324 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:42,080 He's effectively nonverbal, but he invents soaps from special moments 325 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,399 in his life. He works there every single day. He 326 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,840 works for his dads. His dad, John is going to 327 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:51,360 go see the Lord. His life is ending. He's likely 328 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,879 to go to heaven sometime in April, maybe summer of 329 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:56,799 next year. He knows this in advance. We're trying to 330 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:58,879 make plans to get down there. I'd love for you 331 00:16:58,919 --> 00:17:02,600 to actually see John. I'd love to interview him. And 332 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,000 been friends with the guy for four or five years. 333 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:08,200 Never hugged his neck. And I'm not saying this for sympathy. 334 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:10,359 I'm asking you, if you have not yet tried the soap, 335 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,119 try it with hopes that she'll subscribe, because John's wife 336 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,759 will take over the company. She's being trained to do 337 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,920 that now. Alan will stay there. Eenals stay there. The 338 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,440 soap is made in America. It's made by a family, 339 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:25,440 three generations, all natural, absolutely you know chemicals in this stuff. 340 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,480 The best soap in the world, the best mission in 341 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,200 the world. That's alansoap dot com. Sash Todd He's promo 342 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,200 co tod to get tempercent off all the products there. 343 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:33,839 Speaker 2: Mike O'Rourke. 344 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:36,039 Speaker 1: The fact that you mentioned to me that there were 345 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:39,200 absolutely is what you understand that there were casualties on 346 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,559 the grounds. So dead Venezuelans and dead Cubans. So what 347 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:44,359 are the numbers and then what were these roles? The 348 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,400 Venezuelans are doing what and the Cubans are doing what. 349 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 4: Well, the Venezuelans would have been members of the of 350 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:54,559 their defense forces, of their military, their their their law 351 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,200 enforcement establishment. Remember this is a Venezuelan military base, what 352 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:01,000 the primary target was, and they would have been operating. 353 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:04,039 Also a lot of the air defense systems that were attacked, 354 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:07,359 they would have been at the airfields. The Cubans were 355 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,200 like an outsourced Praetorian guard. They were the close end 356 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,440 protection for Maduro. And apparently thirty two of them were killed. 357 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:20,519 And that's Cuba's numbers, and they've announced I think about 358 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:24,359 two days of official mourning for these thirty two Cubans 359 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,000 who were killed. 360 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: So what does the CD as a guy who's gone 361 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,640 in country to prep environments for invasions and to get 362 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,880 human assets in. 363 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:35,079 Speaker 2: Place to help our guys, what does your. 364 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: Intuition tell you about Maduro employing Cubans in that position? 365 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:42,160 Close to him guarding his life versus Venezuelans. 366 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 4: Doesn't trust his own people, plain and simple. 367 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,079 Speaker 1: And this is that the statement that a thief doesn't 368 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:50,359 trust another thief. I mean, there's no honor mug thieves, 369 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,200 right and correct. 370 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,039 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, their significant opposition, you know, within within Venezuela, 371 00:18:57,079 --> 00:18:59,759 and most of it has to be underground because of retaliation. 372 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,039 But you're not going to let someone who could potentially 373 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:05,559 be working for the others side close to you with 374 00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:08,400 a gun. So the Cubans were much more reliable. 375 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,599 Speaker 1: So fascinating, and there were other celebrations in the street. Mike, 376 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,559 you may have seen this. This is outside a church 377 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:16,759 in Venezuela. This video of people celebrating for years the 378 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:20,119 church and the having to see the talk on and 379 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,759 they're out there praying outside the church and thanking God 380 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,279 for this and the removal of Maduro. Their prayers in 381 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:30,319 this It's so beautiful to see that. And then I 382 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,400 compare that to and as Look, I'm sorry, I have 383 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:38,279 liberal white female family members I deeply love, but I 384 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:41,079 see a lot of liberal females up here in America 385 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,039 saying all Venezuelan should be super upset that Maduro is gone. 386 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:47,960 What the people in the States need to understand about 387 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,039 what Maduro had done to this country as Chavez before him. 388 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: Watch the Venezuelans. The there's a significant of Venezuela and 389 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,039 diaspora in uh down in Brazil or Argentina, I forget, 390 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:05,680 which they were all celebrated in the streets. You had 391 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:09,200 Venezuelans in New York coming out in opposition to the 392 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:16,400 pro Maduro protests that were being held by by white Democrats, socialists, communists, 393 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:20,480 the people who the people who traded their palest Palestinian 394 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:24,279 flags in for a Venezuelan flag in order to uh, 395 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:28,200 you know, demand the release of Maduro. So that's that's 396 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,319 what's going on there. The Venezuhalens, they're they're primarily a static. 397 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:34,440 It's still not clear how it's gonna shake out, because 398 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,960 you still do have the you know, the the fact 399 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,319 of Venezuelan government in place, just with a different head 400 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:40,720 of state. 401 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: And President Trump has said, we're running the country now, 402 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,799 and Marco Ruby has said, we're going to leverage the 403 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:49,559 oil assets. We've got control of these oil assets, so 404 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:51,400 we're going to leverage that to have an outcome that 405 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,200 America wants, and there's been an opposition leader flown out 406 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,920 of that country in an extraction done by a buddy 407 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,000 of yours, and we're in conversations with him. Brian Seterns 408 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,599 group flew her out and this was a couple of 409 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,079 weeks prior when that happened and they got her outs. 410 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,640 These are retired Special Forces folks and Navy seals, et cetera, 411 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,079 who do this as a nonprofit to rescue people that 412 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,519 didn't clue these guys in that they had some like 413 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:20,799 like problems securing things that they couldn't even keep that 414 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,720 lady in their country. 415 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:27,799 Speaker 4: It's kind it kind of bottles the mind that you know, 416 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,200 you've seen the video and you probably played it where 417 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:35,440 you've got Maduro challenging Trump to come and get him. Yeah, 418 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,920 and Trump did a mashup of that released it. You know, 419 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,359 it's you know, and it's you know, Maduro challenging and 420 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,359 basically Trump's saying challenge accepted. We actually put that on 421 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,720 our Instagram page and I think it's been viewed over 422 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,920 one hundred and thirty two thousand times there. Yeah, it was. 423 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,880 It's just a certain amount of arrogance. 424 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: And when you're on a military base like he was. 425 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,839 He's living in a millionary base. You would think you're secure, 426 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,160 and obviously not three minutes in and out. I look 427 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,119 you guys who've been at risk in country, willing to 428 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,680 die for US. I looked at the Afghanistan withdrawal, and 429 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:15,960 I shook my heads. 430 00:22:16,039 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: It made me sad. It outraged guys that know who. 431 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,559 Speaker 1: Served, some of them to the point of tears, some 432 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:25,799 of them to the point of rage. There's been congressional 433 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,000 testimony where guys who were trying to get people out. 434 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: Watch people killed. 435 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,319 Speaker 1: They were forbidden to fire upon what appeared to be 436 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,519 people coming in with IDs and a car and s 437 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:38,039 fs to. 438 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: Go kill people. 439 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: Afterwards, there were lawyers prevented that all that gear, all 440 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:48,279 that intelligence left behind. To what degree does this speak 441 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:51,480 to the people who make things happen, the people who, 442 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,680 when they're told to by civilian command, go out and 443 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,480 kill people and break things in expert fashion. 444 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: Is this a morale boost? 445 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,279 Speaker 1: Is this a sign that we've gotten rid of the 446 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,079 insane non leadership at the top, And how does this 447 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,079 affect Do you think men and women who are going 448 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,839 to be asked sometime this year to go out and 449 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,839 do something like this again. 450 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big morale boost showing that you know, 451 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,400 America is back. Recruitment numbers were already way up since 452 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,200 the inauguration. This is just gonna do more of that. 453 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,240 The Special Operations Aviation Regiment, you know, they have a 454 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:29,839 recruiting team that goes around to a different military bases. Today, 455 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:31,880 they're at bases in Germany and they you know, they 456 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,599 were publishing there. You know the fact that they're going 457 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,640 to be there over over the weekend, and I think 458 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,720 they just have to be you know, beating the crowd 459 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:42,839 away for people who want to join their unit. 460 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, do we leave assets behind? 461 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,079 Speaker 1: I know we've got ships and we've got planes, and 462 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,880 we can have a you know, a cure AFA you guys, 463 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:52,279 quick response for us, right or rapid response. We could 464 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,119 have that immediate reaction force, quick reaction force. Do we 465 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,079 still do you think it would be common for US 466 00:23:58,079 --> 00:23:59,960 to still have people on the ground sort of hit 467 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:01,880 in a way? 468 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 4: Probably? Not military folks. I would not be surprised if 469 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,359 the CIA intelligence assets were still there. Southcom's assets are 470 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,160 still sitting off shore as far as I know, ready 471 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,279 to respond. Not only is Anthon in Venezuela, but also 472 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,079 to additional drug boat traffic. So we still have eyes, 473 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:24,200 eyes on the ground, eyes in the sky. 474 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: And people are saying this is Trump now starting a war. 475 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:30,720 And President Trump was going to do away with wars, 476 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,799 He's ended some others. I feel like he's digging in. 477 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,720 But does this beary any resemblance to a war. 478 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: Now it's a raid? I mean, certainly Venezuela would consider 479 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,839 it an active war. But I think what President Trump 480 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,640 was referring to is no more forever wars like twenty 481 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,400 years in Afghanistan, twenty years in Iraq, and when you're 482 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,000 when you're in and out in just a matter of moments, 483 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:58,480 that's anything about it forever war. And I don't see 484 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:00,680 us actually on the ground running the country when you 485 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:05,160 still have the vice president of Venezuela's sworn in as 486 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,480 the interim president. But we're going to be using all 487 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:12,640 the levers of diplomacy coercion to try to get them 488 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,480 to play ball with us. 489 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd mentioned before the role of China in this, 490 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:18,759 and there's no doubts and it's not a secret that 491 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,640 China seeks to destabilize the United States through you know, 492 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,400 flooding drugs into a country. Propaganda they're behind. They help 493 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,079 fund Black Lives Matter Incorporated. They helped funds so many 494 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:34,759 of the leftist causes here, Antifa, et cetera. But you 495 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,920 mentioned this, this issue of their of their radars not 496 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,400 breaking down, we don't know they didn't work. Does that 497 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,640 mean that we have something some jamming system or they've 498 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,960 got to be looking at truly at this, like, how 499 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,039 on earth did they get around this? 500 00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:50,759 Speaker 2: Could it be hacking? 501 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,599 Speaker 1: What are the possibilities that we actually made inert to 502 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,920 their radars? 503 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,319 Speaker 4: Sothern in China is going to be is going to 504 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,640 have some splaining the view? 505 00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:03,759 Speaker 1: Does that to meet me in my office at four thirty, 506 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:05,440 bring all your things and your family members and the 507 00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:07,359 keys to your apartment, your social credit scoring? 508 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, something something you know, something like that. 509 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,119 I've only heard of like one missile getting off and 510 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,400 I think that might have been a shoulder fired uh 511 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,880 Man portable air defense system and didn't and didn't hit anything, 512 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,960 So the radars, radars would have been blinded, the radios 513 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,440 would have been not working, so that they were they 514 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,359 were deafite deaf and blind and couldn't talk to each 515 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:37,279 other and just they were totally overwhelmed. Yeah and so 516 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,519 and so China is now wondering, Okay, how ten how 517 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,359 far superiors America's technology over ours and they're gonna have 518 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160 to weigh that into their Taiwan calculus. Yeah. 519 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,079 Speaker 1: And and to me, just to see an institution recover 520 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,519 from what I think was a purposeful attempt to tear 521 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,480 it down and to bog it down and to distract 522 00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:58,880 it from what its true mission is. 523 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: Uh, to me, that just feels great as. 524 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: An American because of it have such a huge attachment 525 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,240 to people who serve and for them to be able 526 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,559 to celebrate this and see, yes, we can still do it. 527 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:10,839 The oldest crew member was forty nine, youngest crew member 528 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,759 was twenty years old. 529 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: Who pulled this off? 530 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,799 Speaker 1: In my mind, I know that's a full grown man, 531 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,039 But in my mind, that's a kid. And how does 532 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,000 it feel for you, guy who's been you know it 533 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,880 called to go do things like this? What's it feel 534 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,000 like emotionally for you when you did the analysis? But 535 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:27,359 what are you feeling in your heart today? 536 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it's great. It shows that we can still 537 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,759 do these things, you know, we and we have people 538 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,640 who are ready to step up and going to harm's 539 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,880 way and carry out this nation's orders and do it effectively, 540 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,519 do it masterfully. And this is this is a multi 541 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,880 service operations. It's not just not just special operations. You 542 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,000 had you know, Air Force, Navy. I'm sure the Marines 543 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,880 were sitting probably on helicopters on the GiMA, ready to 544 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,960 come in as a as a quick reaction for us. 545 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:02,799 You know, God forbids should have black Hawk have gone 546 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,359 down or something like that had had to fight developed 547 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,680 into something much more than it was. So, yeah, the 548 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,680 Marines ready to go, you know, Air Force, Navy or overhead, 549 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:19,160 I think even Space Force was involved with satellites. Probably 550 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,640 there were cyber operations taking place. So it was it 551 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,759 was a whole of military and whole of government effort. 552 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,839 One thing, of course, he actually had law enforcement on 553 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,359 the ground there. 554 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was they're calling you a law enforcement up. 555 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,559 One thing that came up. 556 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,079 Speaker 2: Earlier I forgot to ask about this is I was. 557 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,799 Speaker 1: Watching a lot of leftists who simply want to cheer 558 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,880 for the destruction of anything the Orange Man does. There 559 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,279 was that shot of sort of an improvised skiff with 560 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:47,880 these dark curtains. The president and General Kine was in there, 561 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,559 hag Seth, the Department Defense was there. I can't remember 562 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,359 if the Secretary of State was there or not, but 563 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,480 they were making fun of the fact that Twitter was 564 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,079 on the screen behind them, and I had a theory 565 00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,519 on that, and what what's your theory of why there 566 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,880 would be a Twitter screen behind them in that in 567 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,680 that war room. 568 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,359 Speaker 4: Well, first, before you can get to the Twitter aspect, 569 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,160 what you're not seeing are the are the computers that 570 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,240 where they're not showing any of the screens. These these 571 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,759 are the you know, the secret feed, the secret nets, 572 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,960 the top secret nets, feeding all that information, feeding the 573 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,119 real time communications. Twitter was there. That's a that's another 574 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,039 intelligence tool, the monitor if the operation has been leaked, 575 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,720 if all of a sudden, before before our forces go in, 576 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:36,599 all of a sudden, messages going out, Hey the Americans 577 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,480 are on the way right now, then you know you've 578 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,920 got to compromise somewhere and that ups the danger level. 579 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,200 And then you can also monitor Twitter has the operations 580 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,480 taking place and the immediate after aftermath in order to 581 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,880 see you know, what people are saying, especially people in Venezuela. 582 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's fascinating And I kind of guessed that 583 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:57,200 that it would be, Hey. 584 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,799 Speaker 1: What are people in the ground saying, But then to 585 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:02,279 go back afterwards and do forensic analysis and this, this 586 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:03,759 is utterly, utterly fascinating. 587 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,519 Speaker 2: You work with us, Go. 588 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: Ahead, I'll say it's it's O sense, open source intelligence, 589 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,119 it's it's it's a legitimate intelligence discipline. 590 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: I saw people who just again they want to deride 591 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,119 and destroy anything that Orange Man does, saying that this 592 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,640 is Pete Hegseth's just wanting to ego serve or see 593 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,359 his name, et cetera. And the degree that people go 594 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,799 to just try to destroy something like this from a 595 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,720 perspective of just politics, and you use not you can't 596 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,480 use all these tools. I don't know that you've got 597 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,359 Spacenet at. 598 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,839 Speaker 2: Your disposal, but you've got these years. 599 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,599 Speaker 1: Of experience in working in situations like this to help 600 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,960 get people out of dangerous circumstances, executives help protect them 601 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,880 from this. How do that skill transfer work for you? 602 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,559 You know, you go into a big company, You're looking 603 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,839 at employees who might not mean them. 604 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: Well, you might have spies there. 605 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,119 Speaker 1: You're securing it physically, like that's going to be a 606 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,720 fascinating skill transfer for you. 607 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, one of these words transfers really well is when 608 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,400 training people in situational awareness kind of doing an attitude 609 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,000 shift and teaching them about the you know, the three 610 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,680 pillars of situational awareness that all that all need to 611 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,279 come together, and you train a workforce in that, and 612 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,559 when we train them together, it it comes what I 613 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:23,319 call all hands security. So it's it's more of a 614 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:27,079 kind of a it's where situation awareness becomes a team 615 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,680 sport and you're doing it to protect you know, your 616 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,400 people and assets at that business because there's so many 617 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,119 more threats out there nowadays, and you don't even know 618 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,759 from what perceived slight there are. I want to say, 619 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,480 like at least four different specific types of workplace violence, 620 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,359 everything from a criminal target in the business who has 621 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,440 no other connection to someone who has a domestic relationship 622 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,559 that's gone bad, or a stalker who then might might 623 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680 bring that that stocker might bring that problem to work. 624 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:00,920 And we'll work with companies to learn how to mitigate 625 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,799 all this and bring the whole team in. Has has 626 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,599 parted the solution? 627 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I watched a video. Wasn't it a business? 628 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:08,960 But was it a churches in Virginia, a guy who 629 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,319 claimed to have been a CIA asset, clearly having some 630 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,279 kind of psychotic break, walked into the church on a 631 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,799 hot summer day with a coat, didn't take his sunglasses off, 632 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200 lingered in the lobby, had a cup of coffee, he 633 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:25,079 wasn't drinking, was checking the security cams and pretty and 634 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,880 this was outside of DC, and pretty quickly some you know, 635 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160 retired operators took him outside. 636 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:30,799 Speaker 2: Hey why are you here? 637 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: And they went and found out that he'd been chatting 638 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,559 about taking people out at that church and he was 639 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:37,119 going to go and act justice, and this is a 640 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,079 day he's going to remember his name. So so security 641 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:43,839 caught that on camera, in person, et cetera. So you 642 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,759 you trained businesses and employees to be aware of, Hey, 643 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,720 why is this dude walking back and forth in front 644 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,759 of the lobby. Why is he taking pictures of a building? 645 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:51,279 Speaker 2: Things like that. 646 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that that comes to what we call the trusting 647 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,559 your gut, which is the second pillar situational rightness. You know, 648 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,200 if something looked appears wrong, you know your ice age 649 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,279 part of your brain has been warning of danger for 650 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,920 hundreds of thousands of years is kicking in. And what 651 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,440 you have to do is overcome that modern sensibility that says, well, 652 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,000 maybe you know, I don't want to be judged because 653 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,559 you know, this person might be of a different socioeconomic status, 654 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,640 or it might be a different ethnicity, So I don't 655 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,079 want to be judged for that, and therefore you discount 656 00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,519 your gut and then something bad happens. Yeah, and so yeah, 657 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:34,039 we yeah, teach people the trust their gut, investigate and 658 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,519 or or at least react, you know, follow your procedures. 659 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was in Mexico, this was last year with 660 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,440 my daughter and we got there the first night. I'd 661 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,400 fallen asleep and Mike. I was in Port of Art 662 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,880 and there was an explosions and then I heard gunshots. 663 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,039 And I never told you this, but you know what 664 00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,440 came into mind because of you ooda loop. Literally, I 665 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,960 woke up from a sleep observe or the side act. 666 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,920 So I observed, okay, are those gunshots? Sure as heck, 667 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,279 sound like it. Are the explosions yes. Then I'm thinking, okay, 668 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,960 it's the revolution or it's cartels. They're attacking a target. 669 00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,599 And I got up to do more observation. Then I 670 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,440 saw smoke that I heard music, and I was deciding 671 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,360 what is going to act on. Then I realized, okay, 672 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,559 those are fireworks. My daughter's in the room next door. 673 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:23,199 Speaker 2: It's okay. 674 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: And but that ooda loup was super helpful for me, 675 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,320 and you'll get a kick out of this. The next morning, 676 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,159 is talking to my daughter and I said, I just 677 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,599 about went over in your room and told you to 678 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,400 take cover. She goes, Oh, I was expecting to knock 679 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,320 any second. I knew it was fireworks right right at 680 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,599 that moment, I said, yeah, you thought it was fireworks. 681 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,320 I actually went outside and investigated. You shared with me 682 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,800 before that one of the things it gets people killed 683 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400 in a live shooter circumstance and active shooter circumstance. 684 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,039 Speaker 2: I don't remember what you call it, but it's the 685 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,440 refusal to believe it's happening to me, the denial of reality. 686 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,199 Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, it is absolutely right. That's the third 687 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,840 pillar issue. Awareness is vanquishing denial. You you have to 688 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,280 come to the mental realization that that bad things do 689 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,679 happen to good people. And then when you know your 690 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,679 mind wants to say, hey, that's that's fireworks going off 691 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,679 with them all food court, you need to you need 692 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,400 to vanquish that denial and realize fireworks don't go off 693 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,599 in food courts, but sometimes gunshots do, you know, So 694 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,840 you have then you have to come to realization that, Okay, 695 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,119 something bad is happening right here, right now, and I've 696 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:31,239 got to do something about it. 697 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 3: Yep. 698 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,159 Speaker 1: And then I had to remember that sometimes fireworks do 699 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,920 go off on beaches in port of our art and 700 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,760 it might not be the revolutionary forces come to kick 701 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,440 the Americans out of the resource. Mike, It's always a 702 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,000 blessing to go. 703 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,079 Speaker 4: Ahead, as I say, Funny, you brought up something about 704 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,679 Mexico and you be in there because Trump kind of 705 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,239 issued a kind of veiled threat towards the Mexican government saying, 706 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,079 you know, there's a chance, you know, in not so 707 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:57,320 many words, that they might be next because of the 708 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,480 cartels down there and spring breaks coming up. Yeah, and 709 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:05,440 a lot of Americans go to Mexico. Okay, so what's 710 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,880 the cartella going to react? 711 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: Okay? 712 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:09,679 Speaker 1: So you know, I am headed back to Mexico for 713 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,639 to see our business partners at renew in Port of Arta, 714 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,559 which I consider to be the safest portion of Mexico. 715 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,639 I guess I'll need to pay attention to this and 716 00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,000 if President Trump's issue this threat, what does he want 717 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,400 the president of Mexico to do to the cartels. 718 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, we needed we needed to talk offline. Be as 719 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,039 safe as you think. 720 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: All right, well, then we'll talk off line. It's always 721 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,239 a pleasure to have you here. 722 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: There's a link to Mike's company down below in the 723 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,519 show notes. 724 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: Uh, if you don't think you need situational. 725 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: Awareness and you're employing people, think about the alternative. You 726 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,559 had an alternative. You had an opportunity to be prepared 727 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,039 to teach these thingks, to have Mike come and teach 728 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,159 your people, and you chose not to do it. Just 729 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,199 just think of that alternative. Always appreciate you man, Thank 730 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,719 you for what you do, and thank you for giving 731 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,960 us all this wisdom on this mic. 732 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 4: Thank you Tom. Talk to you again, sir. 733 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is the Todd Hermit Show. 734 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please 735 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,320 make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.