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Speaker 2: Oh, so you're the one who I have to think, Okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: Oh man, you know, I honestly do. We've joked around

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coverage could even sustain be sustained on only fans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the entire point is like I have to

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Speaker 1: Speaking of items, we're gonna cover NBA trade rumor and

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news items. We didn't think the Suns Hornet's trade, which

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we are about the tackle, was worth a full podcast,

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so we went through some other just noteworthy news items

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and we're gonna react to them, just your standard breaking

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down the latest NBA trade rumor and news items. Are

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you ready to dig in?

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely, Nick Richards to the Suns, of course

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Speaker 1: We begin with the Sun's hornets trade, So the details

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for listeners, watchers, subscribers, whatever. The Hornets received Josha Kogi,

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Denver's twenty twenty six second rounder, Denver's twenty thirty one

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second rounder, Phoenix's twenty thirty one second rounder. The Sun's

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then received Nick Richards Denver's twenty twenty five second rounder,

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and they also, for the people who care about this,

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shaved more than twenty million dollars off there. They're a

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luxury tax bill. General thoughts before we will tackle it

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from each team's perspective, but general thoughts on this deal more.

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Speaker 2: So the Sun's. I actually really like this. I know

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that this is a team that's split the waters a

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little bit this season because they've been sort of disappointing.

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direction they're leaning. Well, we know they want to win,

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but we don't really know whether that's feasible or not.

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in the playoffs. But I think this does help them.

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talked about like just the size issue, and he was like, yeah,

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they need to do something. They eventually need to do something,

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because it's one thing to have Bradley beal like helping

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out run the boards, but you can only ask so

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much of a guy who's six five. You just can't

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ask him to come in and do stuff he's not

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inclined to do. And you can't ask another a lot

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of those guys that Now you finally add a seven

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footer with strong rebounding prow as, someone who's also a

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rim runner, someone who can convert near the basket. You're

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finally adding that element. Now do I think that they're done?

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hadn't even considered the tax savings, Like I was so

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preoccupied thinking about Nick Richards as like a player and

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that I didn't even take into account that they actually

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shaved off some tax savings. So good for them or

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putting up on the screen right now, they're good. He

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is a very solid defensive player, great rebounder, like I

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timeline that they're on. He's not too young, not too old.

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just the size the contract fits. It's non guaranteed for

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like above the rim threat, he can't do much else

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just like, well, he's not a good screener. I think

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eighty third percent tile or better of screening talent per

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b ball index the past three years. He is this

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year ninety five percent tile of rim contest per seventy

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five possessions, and then the eighty fifth percent tile of

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points saved at the rim per seventy five possessions. If

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fifty six point four percent at the basket against him.

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injuries that Charlotte is stuff this year, he plays against

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very curious to see how that works out. I still

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think offensively he should be fine, and maybe even defensively,

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the Hornets have probably needed him to try and I

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other things up more than Mike Budenholzer will have him, Like,

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overtax him by having him, like you know, do a

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bunch of stuff on the perimeter. And I do think

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is a big, he's probably okay, that will be interesting

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to watch, but just as a base big who gives

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the finishing the transition like Mason plumbing and use of

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their season or give them a more stable defense? I

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your secondary units, like it gets easier to flesh those out.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering the eighty third percentile or better in screening talent.

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screening talent percentiles. What does that entail? Is that people

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who've scored immediately after receiving a screen from him.

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volume and effectiveness kind of combined into one of those screens. Again,

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though he's going to look if he's predominantly playing against

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second units, that's it's easier for him to kind of

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let's just say playoff aspirations, even not even championship aspirations.

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Speaker 2: Uh, they're already starting a backup big, so.

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Speaker 1: They've started. I think you could argue that all of

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the bigs they've started should be back up.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm That's what I'm preferring. Yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I you know, what was really in their game against

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the Hawks the other night. I can't remember which member

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Bob Rathberd said, use of Nurkice has just disappeared. He

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like they're clearly just searching for something and some semblance

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he's doing a pretty damn good job that this is

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a nice get. I am curious though, and I think

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How do you feel about the cost of getting Nick

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a team that can't really hide its cards, right, Like

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they can't keep anything close to the best. Everyone around

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them knows they're going for it. This year. You have

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like the time is not three years from now, so

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you know the chick is up. Everyone knows that that

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they're in it right now, so they can squeeze everything

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they want to to basically dangle that carrot in front

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of Phoenix and say, look, you can get better, but

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negotiation tactics, Whereas that is just like if the Suns

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when when you're as committed. And I do take my

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just saying screw it, let's just go for it, whatever

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that he's willing to pay to make it happen. Look,

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Speaker 2: He also did that. Yes, again, I didn't even like.

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This is the first time that I actually registered that.

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So he also paid to save at the same time.

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He both gained and saved in the same deal. And

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that just took three somewhat high end potentially seconds. Would

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you give that up to both save on the on

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the bottom dollar and then get a guy in who

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can help you, Yeah, I probably would. I don't. I

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don't think it's a greeches in any way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I think generally we

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over romanticize second round picks, and so from Charlotte En though,

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I think this is good, like getting those picks upgrading. Well,

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let's say they upgraded one second round picks and then

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they just get two distant seconds outright from teams that

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might not be good at that point. I think that's

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a good piece of business, and for me, I think

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it also kind of reinforces that, all right, this regime.

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Maybe they've been forced into it again because of injuries

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this year, but they are focused on the bigger picture

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and so there's just no sort of disillusions about what's

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going on. I do wonder, though, you kind of look

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at their big man setup now and it's do you

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interpret this as a vote of confidence in Mark Williams

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staying healthy? Is it just that want to give musa

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diabatee more runner? We about to see some truly funky

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ass lineups from the Hornet, maybe some t John Salon

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at the five more often. I you know, They're not

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a point where they should care about that, but I'm

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wondering if, like, what is the offshoot of Okay, they

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traded a big for a wing and that's that's a

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trade you would typically make in general, and they were

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compensated well for doing it. They also like this is

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per Michael Scotto of hoops Ie the Sons wanted them

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to take on Nurkic and then send them Cody Martin

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along with Nick Richards, and Cody Martin is available, per Scotto,

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so every team should be trying to get him in

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my opinion, But this also kind of reinforces that, like

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you know, you're not. There was some reporting that maybe

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the Sons could get off Nurkic's money using seconds. That's

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not happening, clearly. That's another takeaway from this.

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Speaker 2: I will say this much. I wrote a reaction piece

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over at Yahoo for this trade, and at no point

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did I factor in the on court product of the

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Charlotte Hornets after this trade. That was just not that

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important to me because I don't think that was the motivation. Well, actually,

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I'm kind of lying because I did basically say that

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josh Okogi is going to help them in terms of

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instilling a defensive culture. He should play, Yeah, he should play.

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I think for him, it's about installing a culture next

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to Josh Green, who defensively is also quite solid, and

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I think the hope is to sort of install something

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in La Metal Ball because you know it wouldn't hurt

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if lametal became a better defender. Is that the play?

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Speaker 1: Would it hurt him?

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Speaker 2: Like would he be tired? What's the that's yeah, right,

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that's a different equation there. But Mark Williams I think

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has played phenomenally. I mean we're recording this on Thursday,

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January sixteen, I think it was last night. He had

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thirty one, right, a career high as well, like giving

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him more touches, more minutes, it's fine. The Abata I'm

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down with him too, Like I don't think this is

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a big loss for them, even though Richards was a

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perfec with me find back up form and I think

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highly of him going to Phoenix. This team wasn't going anywhere.

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I remember before the season everyone was like, Charlotte, that

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is the deep sleeper. They're gonna come for you this year.

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They could.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. As someone who

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was one of those people, I have no idea what.

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Speaker 2: I was not one of those people, And I felt

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like I was literally in the Twilight Zone in one

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of those episodes in the mid nineties, like what the

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hell is happening around me? Who has smoked something that

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I have not been offered yet? I thought the hell.

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Speaker 1: I basically flip flopped, like I assumed that Charlotte was

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going to be what Detroit is right now, and I

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kind of just assume that Detroit would need another year

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before they could hit the accelerate. And I was clearly

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I was clearly wrong about that, And this is.

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Speaker 2: What I was not there. I was not there. So

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the fact that they've lived up so to speak to

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my expectations of being extremely bad. I just don't think

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what they got back right now factors in much to

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this season. For me, it's just about can Josh come

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in and install that defensive culture and they get the

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three seconds? That's what they took away from this perfectly fine.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that's with like Nick Richards missed

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a ton of time with then he have like fractured

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ribs or something earlier this year, so to still get

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like what they did when he missed.

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Speaker 2: So much time, I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a rib if I remember correctly.

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But to your point about a Kogie, not only should

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he play, I would argue that you can make a

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case for Josh Green or Brandon Miller, but once you

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factor in kind of screen navigation and the breadth of

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the breadth of positions that he can defend. I think

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he's probably their best perimeter defender on the roster right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's unfair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another element of this though, from Phoenix's end

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that I wanted to talk about. They only have two

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tradable picks at their disposal now that twenty twenty five

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Denver second and their own twenty thirty one first. More,

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descending all these seconds out, this is a stupid way

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to phrase it. Does it kill the Jimmy Butler dream

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just because it's that was worth things that they couldn't

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include to help make any package, assuming Bradley bill Wave

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there's no trade clause and whatever team was taking him

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like those were sweeteners they can include that were now gone.

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Speaker 2: All right, So here's the thing, and Miami fans are

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gonna hate me for it. And I also wrote this

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in one of the Trede column that I did over

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at Yahoo. I don't think you should fork over at

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first Jimmy Butler right now because of everything, he's got

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that player option which he can threaten to just not

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pick up. Then he can be a rental for a

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team that is lacking in assets and where Frankly, I

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don't necessarily think, well, he'd be a good fit to

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an extent, but he's not a floor spacer, and you

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just don't know whether his motivation right now is about

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securing the next contract or where his head at. Like,

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I'm not gonna sit here and say Jimmy Butler only

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cares about money. I'm not gonna say that. I don't

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know what his motivation is. If I'm Phoenix, if I'm Milwaukee,

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whatever team out there, and I'm training for Jimmy Butler

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and I'm not fully aware of where he is mentally

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where if he's is he motivated to come in and

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help me win a title? Is he at thirty five

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still the Jimmy Butler who we've seen in the playoffs before. Like,

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I just have so many freaking questions around Butler at

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this stage that I I just wouldn't dare give up

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at first. So if the Phoenix Suns are somehow open

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to relinquishing their first round pick, I think that automatically

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puts them ahead of the queue in terms of being

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able to get him.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. I would absolutely give up a first round

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pick for Jimmy Butler, especially in Phoenix's situation. But I

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guess to your point though, and I will say, I

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will say Bradley Beal, whether he'll waivers no trade clause

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and will Miami or another team take him? That was

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always going to be the sticking point. So I don't

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view this as, oh, the Jimmy Butler dream is dead, right.

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I do wonder, though, like could they said, I've asked

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grant this, I'm curious what you thing. Could you get

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a first round pick for Osoe Gadaro or Ryan Done?

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And so what I'm thinking there is, let's say you

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trade Ryan Done. Is there a team that gives you

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a late first that's maybe this year or in twenty

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twenty six, that then you attached to Bradley Beal And

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that gets the Jimmy Butler package done, whether it's from

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and as an alternative to the twenty thirty one first,

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because maybe we'll find out that Phoenix didn't want to

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give there because Butler, they don't have to worry about

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Butler leaving like I think some other teams would. And

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I also think that wherever Butler goes, you won trade

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for him, knowing that you have to pay him and

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I think he's just gonna go where he's he's paid.

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Whether he agitates for out a year later or something,

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we would have to see. But I think more so

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they were at the top of his list apparently when

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this whole saga started, so I don't think they need

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to concern themselves at that. But I'm wondering just because

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you're so low on it, and that I do think

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Miami might have a little bit more leverage than Jimmy

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himself at this point, but neither party has a ton

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of leverage. It'd be more palatable to say, if we

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could get a late first round pick for Ryan Dunne

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and oh godar like we we trade those picks instead

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of our twenty thirty one first attached to Bradley Beal

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to get the deal over the hump or is this

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just is one? Is that too ambitious when looking at

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the value of those two No.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, if you have an idea where a

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pick is gonna land, and it's like an immediate pick,

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and you know, all right, is probably gonna be in

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like the top twenty five or something, all right, then

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you can probably persuade me to include it. What I

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wouldn't do is like forg over an unprotected for Jimmy

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at this stage. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not

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sitting here and saying that his talent level, Jimmy Butler's

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talent level isn't worth a first round traffick, it's worth

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multiple That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing the concept

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around it. Basically, you have no idea how long you

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have him. You have no idea if he's gonna get

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pissy with you, if you're if the contract you're offering

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him in the summer is below what he's expecting of you. Like,

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I just think there's so many moving parts here where

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if you're relinquishing a fair bit of your future assets

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throw you're you might end up looking really bad in

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about six months time, unless you win the freaking title.

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Like this is this is such an all in move

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for the Suns that you know, I can respect it

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if they go to go that route, but if then,

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if they don't win the title, it's gonna look cord,

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absolutely cord. So so again, if you're forking over something

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that's like a twenty five twenty eight overall pick in

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this upcoming craft, sure, like yeah, I can or in

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that ballpark. Fine, relinquishing an unprotected for twenty forty first,

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that could be ugly. That could be they could be

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forking over there, a major, major piece there.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem there with the Suns specifically, I

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agree that they could be forking over a major piece.

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But for me, it's two layers, you and I and

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I think subscribers listeners. Not that we overrate, but we

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assign a ton of value to these distant first because

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of everything you just said, where is going to be

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in twenty thirty one? That pick is going to be

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a gold mine if whoever has it, whichever front office

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trades for that pick right now is probably ninety percent,

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almost assuredly, not going to be the front office making

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or using that pick. And so I wonder if these

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distant first they look good when they're attached to other

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immediate assets, which is why I've wondered, could you turn

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done into a first round pick and then attach that

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where then Miami's like, oh, we'll take bill because we're

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getting two first and one of them conveys this year

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or next year. So I've wondered about that. And then

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the other thing here is I think people are too

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low on Bradley Beal as a player. We conflate player

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values with their contractual numbers, which to some degree is fair,

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but people are kind of acting like he's some bum.

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If you put him on another team and maybe in

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a role that he's more fitted for, which is to

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be more central to the offense than he is now,

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I think he'd be really good. And you could argue

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there's only two years left on his deal more that's

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not a lot of time. So why aren't there more

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teams willing to roll the dice on him? That no

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trade clause is parallel and we were seeing it now

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in real time play out with the Suns, and so

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that also is part of the compensation in this case

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that you would be sending to Miami. To me, is

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that there accept because Bradley Beal has no reason to

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not just wave his no trade coasts to leave Phoenix,

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but to negotiate the no trade class out of his contract,

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like there's just no incentive for him to do that.

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Speaker 2: I think there is some level of skepticism around Beale

474
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,359
that is fair, and I think there is some of

475
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,440
it that's, like you said, extremely unfair. And the unfair

476
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,400
part is when you evaluate him exclusively through the prism

477
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,960
of his contract. Yes, that is that is faulty. I

478
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,720
do think it's fair to wonder, like, is Bradley Beal's

479
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,039
three point shooting an outright ascid because like, he's had

480
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,000
years where he's been just a knockdown forty percent shooter.

481
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:56,920
Then he's had a stretch of like where he went

482
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,839
six years before that, where he was even slightly above

483
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,720
below average, and then suddenly his volume started declining. He

484
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,279
became a little bit more happy from the mid range area,

485
00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:10,440
and you started kind of realizing, oh, his shot profile

486
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,279
isn't always fantastic. Like the saving graces for him has

487
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,599
always been I'm capable of getting too the free front

488
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,599
line as well, so if I'm not hitting from the outside,

489
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,279
I can tack the rim. Well, that component of attacking

490
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,880
the rim, that is, that has fallen a little bit

491
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,559
because he's thirty one, after all, that's not going to

492
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,960
get better as he ages. So I think there are

493
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,640
some teams that fully recognize who Bradley Beal was and

494
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,000
are asking questions in regards to who is Bradley Beal

495
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,160
right now on a different team, of course, where he's

496
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,160
the starting shooting guard. And getting a prominent role. But

497
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,039
is he still the Bradley Beal who averaged twenty eight

498
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,240
to thirty points you know from the Wizards back in

499
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,519
the day, or are we seeing a guy who's probably

500
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,759
more along the lines of like twenty two twenty three

501
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,319
points per game with a bad or sorry with the

502
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,200
worst shot diet. Those questions I think are fully legitimate,

503
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,920
and those would be real concerns. But that said, I

504
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,440
absolutely agree with you that people who are painting Bill

505
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:06,720
as a bum just don't get it.

506
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's tough because he kind of feels

507
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,680
like the consummate. Is he more comfortable and maybe and

508
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,119
and definitely in certain seasons he's been more efficient generating

509
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,359
his own shot rather than playing off others or being

510
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,680
more of a catch and shoot threat. And so even

511
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,519
if he might be more efficient, can he do it

512
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,279
in higher volume as a secondary option? And I think

513
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,240
that's a fair criticism. I really think though, the most

514
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,440
damning thing about him is the no trade clause. Like

515
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:37,279
if Bradley bal didn't have no trade clause, I would

516
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,119
go as far as arguing that Jimmy Butler might already

517
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:39,720
be in Phoenix.

518
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: M So I think I think that's a I think

519
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,119
that's a person perfectly reasonable take. By the way, I

520
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,160
also forgot to mention just the availability. Can we also not?

521
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,720
I think can we agree that for Bradley Beal as well,

522
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:53,640
that's awesome?

523
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,839
Speaker 1: He's one of those players. Unless I'm misremembering any like

524
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,640
real chronic issues, I know, I think he dealt with

525
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,559
some nie stuff at some point, but it's it's like

526
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:04,039
the Anthony Davis of Nothing is necessarily a serial offender

527
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,240
in his body, but these like injuries just continue to

528
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:07,559
pile up constantly.

529
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,519
Speaker 2: Like again, if we look back, the last time he

530
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:11,839
played eighty two games, he was twenty five. Right now

531
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,079
he's thirty one, and since then it's been fifty seven,

532
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:20,640
sixty forty, fifty, fifty three and then twenty nine this year.

533
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,480
It's like like that, you have to factor that in. Nowadays,

534
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:29,880
with the restrictiveness of the new CPA, player availability has

535
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,039
become more crucial than before. You want if you're paying

536
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,559
guys forty to fifty million a year, you want them

537
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,400
to be able to play for seventy seventy five games

538
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,119
at least. You're not satisfied with a fifty five game season.

539
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: Well, you have actual Jimmy Butler updates and this is

540
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,079
kind of twofold, but the latest on him. According to

541
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,559
ESPN Sham Sharania, he met face to face with pat

542
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,240
Riley and reiterated his trade request and said he won't

543
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,960
sign another deal with Miami.

544
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,039
Speaker 2: So where are the news right now?

545
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: The Jimmy Butler updates are kind of the same the Heat.

546
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,559
The Heat are still reportedly remaining patient. And that's why

547
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:12,160
I'm asking you, which I think will spill over into

548
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,000
our next angle to tackle. Have we reached the is

549
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,680
there a Jimmy Butler dark horse out there?

550
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

551
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: Of the situation, like you know, sort of the Have

552
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,319
we reached that point of the discussion?

553
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: Yes? And I actually, you know, a couple episodes ago

554
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,319
we talked about this when we had a Heat segment.

555
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,440
I wasn't kidding when I said that in some alternate

556
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,440
universe here there is a challenge trade between the bulls

557
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,839
and the Heat. Is that's basically saclovine for Jimmy Butler.

558
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,319
Like you're laughing, but like again, if you look at

559
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,480
it from Chicago's point of view, it's a form of

560
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,799
bull He's a big name. This is what they kind

561
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,000
of want to do right. They want to sell the

562
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,799
fan base on something and Saclovine they've been trying trying

563
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,720
to trade him forever. He's ridiculously underrated. He would be

564
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,519
a challenge rejection for the Heat who are trying to

565
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,599
make the playoffs this year to avoid forking over the

566
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,720
unprotected pick in twenty twenty six.

567
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: Which, just to be sure, is the opposite of what

568
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,519
the Bulls should be doing.

569
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And look that's I'm not saying, you know what

570
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,680
the Bulls should be doing into consideration because I've done

571
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,559
that for years and they're not listening. They keep doing

572
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,559
things that are completely logical. But I do think that

573
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,119
type of trade is the in there. I absolutely guarantee

574
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,640
you that because of who the Bulls are, they've had

575
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,400
this conversation internally, they've had a meeting about this. I

576
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,480
guarantee you. I guarantee you. I mean, why wouldn't they

577
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,519
from a pr perspective, from a fan perspective, like from

578
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:49,079
an engagement perspective, Look, who's back the tack line rights itself.

579
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000
I mean, you're laughing, and I get it, but like

580
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:57,079
it's you can't tell me that from a bull's perspective,

581
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:58,680
this wouldn't be considered.

582
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it could be, and I mean worst case scenario

583
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,400
or is it the best case? Like he might be

584
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,839
an expiring contract technically, but there's just something that is

585
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,000
nonsensical about the idea of Okay, so next season, the

586
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:18,759
banner in Chicago is a recently resigned to Josh Giddy,

587
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,319
a thirty six year old Jimmy Butler or whatever on

588
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,720
a new Max deal, and then Nicolo Vuca. It's just like,

589
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:25,960
what are we doing here?

590
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,359
Speaker 2: But like, what of the what have the Bulls really

591
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720
been doing since twenty twenty one? What have they been doing?

592
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

593
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,839
Speaker 2: I think it is. And that's why I'm pushing back

594
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,279
on this because people like try to make sense of

595
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:38,880
what the Bulls are doing. But you have the factor

596
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:45,640
in this current management, they are handcuff from perspective. They're

597
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,039
not allowed to rebuild, they're not allowed to go all in,

598
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,839
like relinquish all their future assets for a star. They're

599
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,799
basically being asked to make moves within some level of margins.

600
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,160
This kind of fits that bill to a t.

601
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,839
Speaker 1: Is there any well I'll ask you this after we

602
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,119
talk about the next team that I don't know if

603
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,279
I don't think they're a dark horse. Any longer they

604
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,480
might be the favorites. But the Milwaukee Bucks. So this

605
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,759
first of note, they are in the second apron, which

606
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,799
means they can't aggregate contracts, but you can aggregate contracts

607
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,440
if the deal get you out of the second apron.

608
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,759
And so they are six point five million, roughly above

609
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,759
the second apron. Pert Michael Scotto of hoops Hype, they

610
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,240
are looking to move Pat Conaton, who he has a

611
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,359
nine point four million dollar player option. That's about his

612
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:33,319
salary for this season two but for next season. That

613
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,480
before we get into the Jimmy Butler stuff of it all.

614
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,240
And the report is this comes from Sam Manmic of

615
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,279
The Athletic, that Jimmy Butler is willing to go to Milwaukee.

616
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,960
I wonder how much of this is the initial rumor

617
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,920
about him not wanting to go to Milwaukee was wrong

618
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,279
versus Okay, the Phoenix thing isn't happening. So I'm slowly

619
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:53,160
expanding my list. That being said, from the pack content perspective,

620
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,400
because whether it's a three teamer or an independent trade,

621
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,079
just to get the Bucks out of the second apron,

622
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,920
like can you get off of that final year of

623
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,039
his contract, like, is Detroit taking seconds back to absorb

624
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:04,759
Pat Connaton.

625
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,279
Speaker 2: It's it's so funny you asked that, because when I

626
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,799
signed up for a Blue Sky and started getting active there,

627
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,720
that was one of the first things that I started

628
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,400
started talking to people about it, because like that we

629
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,839
were just starting that side up, like from a basketball perspective,

630
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,599
and everyone was starting trying to get conversations going. This

631
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,880
was one of them. And the debate came up whether

632
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,079
what would it take for the Bucks to get off

633
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,319
Pat Connaton, And like a lot of fans were like,

634
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,240
probably a couple of seconds. Some other people like, no,

635
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:36,839
that's not enough. You have to give up like a

636
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,440
late like a future first to get off of him.

637
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,000
I don't know what the answer is. I do know

638
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,079
that no one around the league is going to look

639
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,640
at Pat Continson as an asset. No one's gonna be

640
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,839
looking at Pat and going, oh, yeah, he will take

641
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,240
him on as a player and put him immediately into

642
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,279
our rotation. That's great. What it gets like, that's not

643
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,039
the way the teams are looking at it, So that

644
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,079
majority of what they have to relinquish probably has to

645
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,519
go to that third team to take on Pat Conninson,

646
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,279
which leaves them with less assets for Jimmy. But like

647
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:10,079
I've said, and maybe I'm just too low in the

648
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:13,319
whole situation, I wouldn't relinquish a first for Jimmy regardless

649
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,279
at this point, I'm just too worried. But also like

650
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:17,279
I'm a safety nerd when it comes to that, I

651
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,920
wouldn't have the balls to do it, which might be

652
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:24,160
why I'd make a horrible GM. But we'll see. I mean,

653
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,119
I think that is where they have to pay. Like

654
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,160
the real value stuff though, is to get off of

655
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,519
Pat Coninson and not in terms of providing Miami with

656
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,119
with a legitimate acid for Jimmy.

657
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I believe they only have one tradable

658
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,599
second round pick. They just have both of their twenty

659
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,720
thirty one picks.

660
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that's not enough to get off Connittton.

661
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,839
I'm sorry, it's just not.

662
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: You need another team to not even marj. You can't

663
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,039
attach Marj on Bochamp there. You need them to like

664
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,920
you didn't have to be willing to include Andre Jackson

665
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,519
or maybe a team like or AJ Green, So maybe

666
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,240
it's Aj Green in that second, like that type of deal.

667
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,279
And then at that point, now you are giving up

668
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,960
like chunks of your rotation because any gimme Butler trade

669
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,880
the math that works right now unless something substantially changes

670
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Chris Middleton, Bobby Portis and Pat Connaton to a third team,

671
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,440
and then that twenty thirty one first is the framework

672
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,400
and you probably need to include that second. I guess

673
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,200
what you're hoping from there is that then can the

674
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:21,440
Heat attach other and they're not, by the way pat

675
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,880
Riley like views second round picks is just dog shit

676
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,240
like at this point. So the Heat, I don't even

677
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,480
know how many they have some seconds that they have

678
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,079
the Lakers second next year, that there's a swap that's

679
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:36,279
going on with Indiana, so they could probably include another

680
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,000
second or two, and the thinking there for them would

681
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,680
be okay, Like Conton then isn't on their payroll, which

682
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,279
he like theoretically couldn't be because of their own cap situation.

683
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,119
But you are getting the Bucks is twenty thirty one first,

684
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,759
and so are you willing to send out your own

685
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,759
twenty thirty one second or that Lakers second and then

686
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,720
just two seconds? So like, let's just in theory, the

687
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,440
Lakers twenty twenty six second A and the Bucks is

688
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,200
twenty thirty one second to Detroit for like to take

689
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,320
on Pac Conton's money. Is that like, are we closer

690
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,760
at that point? Or is that's still not enough? Because,

691
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,880
by the way, the other part of this Detroit is good.

692
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:18,360
So from their perspective, what's the value in helping Milwaukee

693
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,159
get better? Now? I think you could just go around

694
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,000
the league and say, is there a team with a

695
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880
trade exception large enough or their non tax payerment level

696
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,239
that they would still take content in for you could

697
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,599
work it with a game it with some smaller contracts,

698
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920
but like in a vacuum, are those seconds the Lakers

699
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,199
second in twenty six and a Buck second in twenty

700
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,119
thirty one? Is that enough to take on a year

701
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,719
of pat content? I think we're close.

702
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. It gets you in the door in terms of

703
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,519
having a conversation, And I think you are making a

704
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:50,880
real offer, right, Like it's not you know, let's let's

705
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,400
try to like hookwink you into this one like it's

706
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,440
it's it's a real offer. What it comes down to

707
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:02,280
is also the awaren of other teams knowing full well

708
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,960
that the Bucks need this to happen in order to

709
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,960
get Jimmy. We'll just say no. Like you need more,

710
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,119
you have to go out and find more you have

711
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,159
like or it's or problem.

712
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: Again, it's aj Green or like Andre like those are

713
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,320
the those are probably the two players they have where

714
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,079
other teams might be oh them in a second or

715
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,719
seconds like now we're talking.

716
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,159
Speaker 2: Here's here's what I think a lot of fans don't

717
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,440
understand as well. When teams are trying to be looped

718
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,400
in as a third team to make something work and

719
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,360
they're not the beneficiary of getting like the star player,

720
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,119
they are going to squeeze the ever living hell out

721
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,280
of whatever they can because.

722
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: It seems that unless you're the Pistons of the twenty

723
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,239
twenty four offseason.

724
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: Right, yes, correct, correct, there are exceptions and and it's

725
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
also look, I'm not even kidding when I say this.

726
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,880
I I get I'm guessing very much. That's why teams

727
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,039
are trying to loop in teams historically that are bad

728
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:03,119
negotiators as well, But like seams that are good negotiators

729
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,719
will say, oh, you want to send us a third team,

730
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,239
but we're not getting one of the key pieces involved

731
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,280
in this trade. Fine will help you out. You came

732
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,519
to us, so that means we'll ask for something else

733
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,920
that is juicy, that is delicious, and it's not going

734
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,960
to take up something of ours, Like we might be

735
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,039
able to rend out our cap space, but that's gonna

736
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,079
cost you two or three seconds, even though it does

737
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,519
makes no difference to them. So if they're looping in

738
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,199
a third team, I would need that third team to

739
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,679
be the right team, who like, are unaware of the

740
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,039
leverage they have in some conversations or.

741
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,079
Speaker 1: Is it something like I mean, and it would have

742
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,039
You'd be towing a fine line here. But so like

743
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,079
look at Houston as an example where maybe in their

744
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,079
heads they're trying they think that this is all going

745
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,559
to blow up in Milwaukee's face. They want to fast

746
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,480
track the Yanni's trade request so they can be involved

747
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,360
in that. So they're going to offer to take on

748
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960
pac content and they will send out one of their

749
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,480
smell like they have all these quasi expiring contracts, and

750
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,000
they have a ton of flexibility within the new matching

751
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,679
rules too. So it's can you make it cheap enough

752
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,719
like for the trade with Miami and Milwaukee to work,

753
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,320
and then in your head, it's all right, we get

754
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,639
a couple extra seconds and we made the Bucks better.

755
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,280
This year, but we're get in fury. But maybe this

756
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400
blows up in their face and they've gotten rid of

757
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,920
their twenty thirty one pick and now Giannis is gonna

758
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,880
be available, and hey, look we've got all these assets.

759
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:21,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

760
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to say hope teams think like that.

761
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,679
I know they think like that. I'd like to see

762
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:27,960
more teams act on thoughts like that.

763
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, there are so many ways you can strengthen

764
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,079
your own team. It's not just through the draft. It's

765
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:38,079
not just through you know, free agency, like it's creative,

766
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:42,320
long term thinking like that that really separates, you know,

767
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,679
the mens fum of the Boys.

768
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: I have two questions for you on this. Yes, you're

769
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,719
the Bucks. This is the framework. It's those three players

770
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,119
plus your first and that second, and you make it work.

771
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,400
Are you doing this to get Jimmy Butler? You already

772
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,960
said you wouldn't give up a first for Jimmy Butler.

773
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,800
But if Jimmy Butler says he's gonna stay.

774
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,639
Speaker 2: That does change things. Yes, I can cannot catch, but

775
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,280
if I'm the Bucks, like can just before we get

776
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,960
into that, can I can I just fire Doc Rivers? First?

777
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: We honestly, we need to figure out where to get

778
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,159
to Bias Harris to Milwaukee and reunite, yes and yes

779
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,199
and in just get.

780
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: Get the whole band back together there. Okay, I'm gallo,

781
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,760
bring back let's go. So, so, so, what what is

782
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,480
your your question? I'm the Bucks.

783
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,039
Speaker 1: Are you doing like whatever framework it takes, it's it's

784
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,960
your twenty thirty one pick. I mean if you can

785
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,119
off without I don't know how, but it is Miami's leverage.

786
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,320
So you know, at such a deficit that you can

787
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,760
if you can keep your first round pick, then hell, yeah,

788
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,440
like you're doing this.

789
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: And if we're if we're assuming that Jimmy is kind

790
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,480
of like I'm staying. Yeah. By the way, I'm I'm

791
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,639
unsure of this because I I don't remember every single

792
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,119
minutia in the CBA. Could Jimmy theoretically already pick up

793
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,679
his option now or is there a trigger date? No?

794
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: No, he could pick up his option.

795
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so that would be part of the negotiations.

796
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,159
Like if he did that now, like, yeah, I would

797
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,039
relinquish that twenty twenty or twenty thirty first Yeah, So.

798
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: If you can guarantee Butler's on your team next season,

799
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:14,159
I mean, yes, if I'm.

800
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: If I'm the Bucks, Yes, because I here's the thing.

801
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,639
Even Jimmy Butler knows he's not going to be the

802
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,239
best player on that team. I think that is that's

803
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,400
such a specific version or not version, that's such a

804
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,800
specific system, that's such a specific situation. That was the

805
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,679
word I was looking for. Where Gianna is still the

806
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,519
number one guy, like, there's no doubt about it. He

807
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:44,119
Milwaukee Royalty, He's the main dude there for Jimmy to

808
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:48,599
come in and realize, yeah, I'm not the top dok

809
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,679
in here, Yes, I would. I would gamble with that,

810
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,440
assuming he picks up his option for next year. Absolutely,

811
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,599
because I do think even Jimmy Butler is aware that

812
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:58,760
gianniso is a better player.

813
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I agree, And just like, giving the level

814
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,079
of health issues that Chris Middleton has started to deal

815
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,639
with over the past few years, Yeah, you just you

816
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,559
almost kind of have to do this if it's on

817
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,719
the table and it can get done. I don't know.

818
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,039
The arguments against it would be you don't want to

819
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,039
short search at your future if you think that there's

820
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,320
any iffiness with Giannis or even Dame moving forward. The

821
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,679
other two compelling things would be all right, well, are

822
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:28,480
you gonna be able to afford to pay, like well,

823
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,760
ownership pay to keep brook Lopez next year? Because, by

824
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,639
the way, if you're getting rid of Bobby portis Giannis

825
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,960
attat to Kumpos your backup five now? Like that like

826
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:41,719
certainly in the postseason, right, And that's a responsibility they've

827
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,079
over the past few seasons shied away from. So I mean,

828
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,480
you could argue when it's Giannis and Portus like whatever,

829
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,239
that's fine, But now you're kind of removing the all right, well,

830
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,039
there's no like there's there's no sort of cover here,

831
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,800
no safeguard. So I wonder if that factors in it

832
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,400
all on top of just the okay, where are we

833
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,880
going to be in twenty and thirty one of it?

834
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: See, I subscribe to the roster construction ideology more so

835
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,639
like two stars in depth, unless, of course that seem

836
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:13,599
that I have in place, Like okay, see right now,

837
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:18,320
who have legitimately three stars, Like there's a significant runway

838
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,360
on there some of their rookie contracts still like you

839
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,320
can run with that until things get you know, too expensive,

840
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,480
and then you're struggling to figure out what to do there.

841
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:29,559
But like Yeah, that's that's that's a conversation. That's such

842
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,400
a specific situation we can't really get into that. But

843
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,079
like it's for the may or, for the Milwaukee Bucks

844
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:39,440
rather to go all in on Gianna's Dame Butler and

845
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:44,679
then have virtually zero depth. I mean, it's not like

846
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,199
I believe in it. If I'm the Bucks, like that

847
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,519
might that should have been your first question. Let's let's

848
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,559
let's revisit this the whole thing. Your question to me,

849
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:54,480
if I'm in the Bucks right now is do you

850
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,000
think training for Jimmy Butler is going to lead to

851
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,280
a championship or even close to it? My answer will

852
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,039
be no, because what I'm relinquishing.

853
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: Mhmm, yeah, I just but is it a no? I

854
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,519
guess going from Chris Middleton and Pat Conaton to Jimmy

855
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:12,760
Butler is a monster upgrade at this point.

856
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,199
Speaker 2: It is absolutely I'm not I'm not debating that whatsoever.

857
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:22,079
But I'm also fully recognizing that Jimmy is looking for

858
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,280
for money in the future, so I'm probably gonna have

859
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,679
to re up him for a lot of cash because

860
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,559
he's made that perfectly well known that he wants the bag.

861
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,280
He's He's gonna be thirty six this year. You have Giannis,

862
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,400
you have Dame Damis also getting up there. Now, I'm

863
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,679
paying for three guys in your thirties. And what my

864
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,760
mission is, if i'm the Bucks is to build around Giannis,

865
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,159
Like that's I need to produce a product around Giannis

866
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:55,000
that optimizes him. Does that specific constellation of stars do that?

867
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,519
I'm not sure I have the answer for that. I'm

868
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,480
inclined to think no. But again, like you said, you

869
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,079
seek it's a perfectly valid and reasonable thing you're coming

870
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,760
here with because like you're saying, like they're paying us

871
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,960
shits on of money for Chris Middleton and he's he's struggling,

872
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,199
like you need to do something else.

873
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Now, do you know what'd be interesting about this, Because

874
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,440
let's say Jimmy does like we're just I think we're

875
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,840
also all operating under the assumption and maybe he would

876
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,440
just pick up his player option, but we're all operating

877
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,320
under assumption that he'll get his max or the short term,

878
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,400
in which case, if you trade for him, you have

879
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,599
one hundred and sixty two million dollars committed to him

880
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,960
Damon Jannis next year. That's more than the salary cap

881
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,519
is projected to be at next year's salary cap is

882
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,679
a little under one fifty five right now. But like,

883
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,079
and so when you've you could say, well, Chris Middleton

884
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:41,559
also has a player option, but he's not going to

885
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,519
command anywhere near Is he going to be even cheaper

886
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,360
than you thought? You could say, oh, is he gonna

887
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,639
cost half as much as Jimmy Butler? Are close to it?

888
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:49,800
And then you could say, well, would you rather have

889
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,679
Chris Middleton at sixty percent of the cost of Jimmy

890
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:57,119
Butler next year? Maybe that's worth a discussion. But also

891
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,880
couldn't Jimmy Butler in theory just not Like, look what

892
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,599
happened with James Harden. Like around I know Jimmy Butler,

893
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,599
I think there'll still be more injury around him than

894
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:06,800
there wasn't James Harden at the time. But look at

895
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,159
the deal that James Harden got this year, Like a, like,

896
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,280
are we sure Jimmy Butler's even gonna get forty million

897
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,599
dollars a year if he ops out?

898
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: No? And obviously not, And I think that is. But

899
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,880
that's the thing that's where we're fighting the perception of

900
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,480
Jimmy himself, right because even if no one is willing

901
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,320
to pay him that you could still see an argument

902
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,719
where Jimmy said, Okay, look, this is this market is

903
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,119
just it's it's not there, so I'm gonna pick up

904
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,199
my player options, but then the market's gonna be there

905
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,400
year the year after, like they're I don't necessarily think

906
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,119
that Jimmy is always dealing with the realities of a situation,

907
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,440
and I think that thing could be something like that's

908
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,119
a sticking point for him, Like it's been reported multiple

909
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,719
times now he he went to pat and was like extension, now,

910
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,920
please more money. So I think this is a very

911
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,400
pressing issue for him. And if the Bucks are like no,

912
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,239
well you can come here and then we'll see what happens.

913
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,400
I don't think that's the approach. I think he wants

914
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
to back right up and if fair enough, like I'm

915
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,280
not gonna blame anyone.

916
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: And also they can't play hardball if they've traded their

917
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:13,840
last moveable.

918
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, this is sort of

919
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,280
a side point. But this is something I've been talking

920
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,039
about under the pod for years alongside Brian. This is

921
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,159
why I actually want my main guys to be some

922
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,800
of the oldest on the roster because it becomes so difficult,

923
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,960
like again the Chris Biddleton situation and the Dame situation.

924
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,880
So you have Yannis who's thirty. Now you're surrounding him

925
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,840
with guys who are older, meaning they decline faster. Yannis

926
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,000
is earning top dollar. These guys are lowering their trade

927
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,840
values because they're getting older themselves, they're getting worse. It's

928
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,440
such a difficult job finding new secondary stars who can

929
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,480
run that same timeline with Yannis for example, Like it's

930
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,519
almost like, oh, we have to go out and get

931
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,920
a guy like Dame who's the little past his prime,

932
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,920
Like we have to go out and get a guy

933
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,079
like Jimmy who's definitely past his prime. Like I do

934
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,840
think there's so much value when you're rebuilding or just

935
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,119
constructing a roster that if you have like a Tier

936
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:18,440
one superstar, that dude has to be one of your

937
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,079
oldest players because it just your secondary your churchy area,

938
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,519
your fourth guy, your fifth guy. Then they're on that

939
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,760
string h wise, where they're not gonna decline on you

940
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,719
all of a sudden. That's just unless something drastic happens, obviously,

941
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,199
and that allows the effectivity of the number one superstar

942
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,760
to be maintained for a longer period of time.

943
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,159
Speaker 1: Any other Jimmy. So we both agree though that if

944
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,199
you if you know Jimmy Butler is gonna be there

945
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,880
and you're the Bucks, you kind of have to do

946
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,320
this even as well, the look they've played better since

947
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,320
they're poor start, so that's certainly a factor.

948
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: Yes, So what is your question whether what is.

949
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: There is there another team that just hasn't been discussed

950
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,039
in Alexicicon that you could just see kind of coming

951
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,719
out of the woodwork, because we've we've heard the Golden States,

952
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,519
the Houston's, the Lakers have been tangentially mentioned. There's just

953
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,880
anyone I've I've can't paign for Atlanta just to do it,

954
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,400
especially if it's not gonna really sense.

955
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it, the Atlanta Hawks, like I. Again,

956
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,079
I I talked about this on the on the previous

957
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,760
podcast with you where I brought up the Spurs just

958
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,199
because if he's not a great fit, he can walk

959
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,760
this summer. But again, this was that was a very

960
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,679
modest return. I'm fully aware that Heat fans hated it.

961
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,519
That's fine, that's I Also I commented on on that

962
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,360
in the piece. Basically saying, look a deal for I

963
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,079
think the framework was Keldon Johnson, Sack Collins, and Trey

964
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:43,119
Jones for Jimmy and Alec Burks, because that that's where

965
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,320
I am again. I'm also look, I'm mister safety. I

966
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,800
don't want to give up something for what I consider

967
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:50,840
to be potential blow up situation.

968
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,119
Speaker 1: Would you give up that fake Charlotte Hornet's first round

969
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:54,760
pick that turns into two seconds?

970
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: Given? Yes, So, given that the Spurs have oodles of

971
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,280
draft picks and so much income, I probably, like I could,

972
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,039
I could probably be persuaded, even though in the piece

973
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:07,840
I was like, no, I don't want to relinquish a

974
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,800
first I might be persuaded to give up a couple

975
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,000
of seconds, but like that one specifically, I could probably

976
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,239
be persuaded for that.

977
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: We move on now, out of Jimmy Butler land into

978
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,039
the land of the Golden State Warriors, who mort so

979
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:26,719
after well, I think both before and then after a

980
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,519
loss to the Toronto Raptors. We got comments from Draymond

981
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:33,800
Green and Steph Curry that basically I won't read them verbatim,

982
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,280
but they emphasized they don't the importance of the Warriors

983
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,119
not over mortgaging the future to win. Now, this of

984
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,440
course rubbed people the wrong way because if you're not

985
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:49,199
doing that, then what are you doing? Steph then, after

986
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:54,920
their win over the Timberwolves walk back those comments, basically saying,

987
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,679
in a nutshell, anyone who thinks he wants to be

988
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,320
on an average basketball team is insane and kind of telling.

989
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,760
Twitter turns to, you know, shut the fuck up. My

990
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,480
question to you, yeah, what is the plan in Golden

991
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,199
State then, because look, I don't the fact that. Honestly,

992
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,159
if we really wanted to Galaxy brain this, Draymond Green

993
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,440
feeling this way might make sense because if it wasn't

994
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,960
for the emotional component, he's still really good on defense.

995
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,920
But like he could in fury be one of the

996
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,559
players leaving if you were trying to upgrade the roster,

997
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:28,880
he wouldn't he an all likelihood won't be, So I

998
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,760
won't Galaxy bring it to that extent. But like Draymond

999
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,639
and Steph feeling this way, it's not I don't view

1000
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,559
them as non competitors and I don't fault them for it.

1001
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,679
If anything, it makes me look more closely at what

1002
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,360
a sham of a job. Joe lacub and crew are

1003
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,880
doing and optimizing their final windows. Because before I throw

1004
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,360
it to you, I'm not saying they should make a

1005
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480
trade for the sake of making a trade and just

1006
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,440
deal everybody all their picks, all their players under the sun, right,

1007
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,480
But the fact that there Steph and Draymond here, like, oh,

1008
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:05,840
we want to leave the organization in a better place

1009
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,880
than where like where it was when we came. You've

1010
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,719
already fucking done that by putting them back on the map.

1011
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,800
You have four championships, and Steph is not the Steph

1012
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,280
of a few years ago, but like, he's still really

1013
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,679
fucking good, and as long as he stays healthy, he's

1014
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,639
probably gonna make an All NBA team. And there's just

1015
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,960
something that's so futile and also insulting to your fans

1016
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,480
that you're not actually going for it. And I think

1017
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:36,840
what bothers me the most is if if the messaging

1018
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,440
was they're waiting for the right opportunity and that hasn't

1019
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:46,079
presented itself, but instead we get this performative bullshit that

1020
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:48,480
they were trying to trade for lowry marketing, but they

1021
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,599
didn't want to give up anybody for him, And then

1022
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,320
they were trying to trade for Paul George by offering

1023
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,599
the Clippers long term money, even though the Clippers' entire

1024
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,199
premise of letting Paul George walk was they didn't want

1025
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,800
long term money on the books. So I never viewed

1026
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,320
those quote unquote pursuits as legitimate. And then we're sitting

1027
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,320
here just looking over the PA look at the players

1028
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,519
who are not good enough, and I agree with some

1029
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,920
of them. Pascal Siakam wasn't good enough. I disagree with that,

1030
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:19,199
Brandon Ingram wasn't good enough. Probably agree with that Zach

1031
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,719
Lavine isn't good enough. If you're worried about not having

1032
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,719
to give up a ton of assets, maybe he is

1033
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,719
good enough because I guess the Andrew Wiggins of it

1034
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,719
all complicates things. But like, you're not gonna have to

1035
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,119
mortgage your future for him, and so I don't fault

1036
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,360
Draymond or Steph for this one bit. I just think that,

1037
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,800
and I understand that fans don't want to see the

1038
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,840
Warriors decimate their future to not win a title right now.

1039
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,079
But like you have what is still one of the best,

1040
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:48,960
it's one of the best basketball players of all time,

1041
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,119
who is still close enough to being one of the

1042
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,719
best players in the NBA that you should be going

1043
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,559
for it. And I just find this to be again

1044
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:00,320
from the Warriors specifically, this is just such bullshit, Like

1045
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,360
I have no Steph Dre. They said what they said,

1046
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,599
that's fine, it's honestly. That might be is that STEP's

1047
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,159
like character flaw here is that he's never gonna push

1048
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,400
the front office to do something, and that I do think, Okay,

1049
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,360
you're entire, you have your four titles, you don't need

1050
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,840
to prove anything. But like, then don't hedge either if

1051
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,880
you're like if you if you're just here to kind

1052
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,400
of ride out into the sunset, then you say that.

1053
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,119
And if that's the Warriors messaging like and they've been

1054
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,239
the messaging has been inconsistent because how many times has

1055
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,199
Jonathan come in a bit available but they don't want

1056
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:33,159
to part with him as just like kind of the

1057
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,760
they view Brandon Pajemski as a future All Star. I

1058
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,559
just or but they're involved in trade talks or they're

1059
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,840
waiting on Giannis even though they would never have the

1060
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,400
best trade package for Yannis even if they put anything,

1061
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,760
excuse me, everything on the table. The only way and

1062
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,960
now we can Galaxy brain. This is do they just

1063
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,400
are they waiting in the offing. They know something's gonna

1064
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,440
crop up where it's Kevin Durant's gonna want out of

1065
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,639
Phoenix and he's only gonna want a Golden go to

1066
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,119
Golden State because that's a sweeps they could win. But

1067
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:04,079
then you're going to contradict yourself by mortgaging a good

1068
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:05,880
chunk of your future for a thirty six year old.

1069
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:09,559
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, I think they're open to that. Here's

1070
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,519
here's what I think happened ultimately. I think they drafted Kuminga,

1071
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,960
they drafted Moses Moody. They also drafted Brandison Pochemski. They

1072
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,760
drafted all these guys, and they were hoping, yeah, we

1073
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,639
can make this seamless transition with a young core where

1074
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,199
we have these blue chip prospects and this is gonna

1075
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:32,119
be a couple of years where we make this transition.

1076
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,840
We allow Steph and Draymond to sort of like bridge

1077
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,719
that gap and then they become like secondary tear tier

1078
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,039
players and then the next you know, the next group

1079
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,960
is up. And then that never materialized. They realized Kuminga

1080
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,559
while decent, it's just not that guy Moses Moody. They

1081
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,119
never had enough faith in him to play him extended minutes,

1082
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:56,639
at least, not enough to really understand what they had

1083
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,039
in him. That's also why the extension for him was

1084
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,400
was perfectly recent, because they got him for freaking steal.

1085
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,079
As far as I'm concerned, if he goes to a

1086
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,800
second team now, I think he's gonna look much better.

1087
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,440
Brandon Pjeenski up and down, Tray Jackson Davis an older rookie,

1088
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,400
not really a whole lot of potential there, And I

1089
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,159
think now they realized, Okay, look that didn't work. So

1090
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,039
we're trying to save money. And that's where your point

1091
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,840
about the performative bullshit comes in, because you're right, this

1092
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,119
is a team that's that desperately was like, oh no, Clay,

1093
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,079
you're leaving. Oh that's too sad. What are we supposed

1094
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:32,599
to do? Save money?

1095
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: Now?

1096
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: All shucks? Well, so be it will save money. I

1097
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:39,960
think that's where they are right now. I mean they're

1098
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,519
not even projective if I'm reading this right, to even

1099
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,800
be a tax team next year. Like they drastically diminished

1100
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,639
their their tax bills this year. They're under six million

1101
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,880
below it actually, so like could they if they find

1102
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,800
themselves bad enough next month, try to see if they

1103
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480
can shed six million to get under the tax line,

1104
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,840
because that would be the real proof in the putting

1105
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,719
right there that they're not serious. But I do think

1106
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,599
to your point about waiting for Katie, that is the

1107
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,719
one I think that I think they're basically saying, we

1108
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,039
trust our market, we trust our popularity, we trust you know,

1109
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:18,880
the state of our franchise that is still viewed as oh,

1110
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,679
recent champions, the last one one in twenty twenty two.

1111
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,719
I think that is what they're hoping for. That's what

1112
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,719
they're aiming for. They're hoping that someone lands in their lap.

1113
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,960
And if that's a thirty six, thirty seven year old Kevindurrant,

1114
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,960
so be it, because you can sell that to the

1115
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,519
franchise or sorry, to the fan base. And we also

1116
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:42,159
have to admit Steph Katie together, even though they're old,

1117
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,320
almost as old as me, that dude still has some juice.

1118
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,039
Like that's the thing. But I too have been really

1119
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,159
weirded out by why they haven't gone for it after

1120
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,519
they kind of realized, Oh, Kumenk, isn't it Most's Moody,

1121
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,360
isn't it Brandon Pajemski, isn't it like why they haven't

1122
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,519
leaned into it. But I think the answer is just

1123
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,360
saving money, which.

1124
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,519
Speaker 1: I guess Denner's fine, And it would be really funny

1125
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:11,239
if they end up just like setting Dennis Shooter the

1126
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,119
Detroit Pistons, who could probably use a backup guard, and oh,

1127
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:16,920
we ducked at tax this year, Like it does not

1128
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,519
feel more likely than I'm making a big trade because look,

1129
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:21,840
every name that's been mentioned, I'm not saying that like

1130
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,480
Jimmy Butler not good enough, too old, right, But like,

1131
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,920
so who is the name? Is it just Kevin Durant?

1132
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,960
And in that case, like like what.

1133
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: You said, you mentioned the name, I'll tell you what

1134
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,719
the name is, because that was the one that never

1135
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,920
passed the smell test for me. When Saclovine was just

1136
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:44,079
constantly viewed all the contract to contract, you can't tell me.

1137
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:48,039
You can't convince me that Saclovine wouldn't be a great

1138
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:49,760
fricking fit on this team.

1139
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: The Warriors offense is so bad when Steph Curry's off

1140
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,559
the floor, Dennis Shooter is not fixed it, he's not

1141
00:56:56,639 --> 00:57:00,400
been great for them, Like, yeah, it would have been

1142
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,719
a great fit. And I just now you're at the

1143
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,360
point where all was Andrew Wiggins played too good, we

1144
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,840
can't keep them up for Zack Lavine, And like, I

1145
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,079
kind of understand that discussion, but you also have not

1146
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,159
then done a good enough job like developing your secondary

1147
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:14,719
wings to then take up that like you know, a

1148
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,079
Moses Moody. Now, now, gee, Santos is untouchable. Apparently, I

1149
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:23,599
just don't, like I think, I'm just I'm fed up

1150
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:28,400
with how phony and superficial and honestly aimless the front

1151
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,000
office is. Because so at this point it's okay, you're

1152
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,039
retaining all your future assets. How long until you're bad

1153
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,400
enough for those future assets to result in the type

1154
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,960
of player that you're potentially passing on now, Like, look more,

1155
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,239
they're twenty twenty five first round pick. Could be anyone.

1156
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,400
It could be someone who's half as good as Zach Lavine.

1157
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,320
So I'm just like, I just I don't get it here.

1158
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,960
And I understand the salary matching of it all is complicated,

1159
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:57,320
and I understand the organic cycle of team contender windows,

1160
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,760
but like now you're just sitting here depending like you're

1161
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,719
operating on another let like light years ahead or whatever,

1162
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,239
and and really you're just like snake oil salesman at

1163
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:08,599
this point.

1164
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, it's it's a really good question in terms

1165
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,519
of what they should do. Like if if stuff goes

1166
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,960
out and pressures the front office, which I agree with you,

1167
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:19,920
he hasn't done, at least done from our knowledge and

1168
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,000
not aggressively, So like who knows what what kind of

1169
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,000
internal discussions they've had. What I wonder is, what's what's

1170
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,719
the play? Because I do think we have to acknowledge

1171
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,440
teams are pretty aware that Jonathan Kumenka isn't you know

1172
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,400
that guy most As Moody is, and that guy, like

1173
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:43,840
their asset trove isn't really that attractive. So even if

1174
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,360
Steph did try to push them for something, what can

1175
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,000
they realistically do? Cyclovin aside, well.

1176
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like in terms of players, we're

1177
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:56,039
gonna know the list of names that are out there,

1178
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:58,599
but I would, I mean, I don't think they have

1179
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,440
the the glitch see his stash. But like they can

1180
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,159
trade multiple first round picks like that, even the twenty

1181
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:07,480
thirty pick they sent to Washington, they can trade like

1182
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:09,960
a pick that's protected that same year twenty one to

1183
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
thirty and like, so that's so they could trade three

1184
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,440
real first round picks in my book, plus swaps, plus

1185
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,000
taking a flyer on KAMINGA or pods. Even Moody is

1186
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:21,400
movable with the poison pill just because his salary on

1187
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,639
that extension.

1188
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:26,119
Speaker 2: Is so well, who is the players get for that package?

1189
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:29,559
That's where I want to research. Also, here's get.

1190
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,159
Speaker 1: Couldn't you in theory get a Jimmy Butler or Zach

1191
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:34,760
Lavine without having to give up that type of package.

1192
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,280
It just becomes a matter of matching salary. And so

1193
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,519
if you're not going to go that route, and if

1194
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:41,760
the all in play isn't going to emerge, and by

1195
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,960
the way, if the all in play does emerge, in

1196
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,320
all likelihood, you're not going to get him because while

1197
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,039
I think their assets are a little bit better than

1198
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:49,880
you do, they're not going to be as good as

1199
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,519
many of the other teams that will be after whatever

1200
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,920
player you think. So, why aren't they doing something like

1201
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,679
a Cam Johnson where maybe it costs you a first

1202
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,320
round pick and a young player, Like what if you're

1203
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,519
not if you're worried about mortgaging too much of your future,

1204
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,840
why not only have to mortgage part of it? And

1205
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,519
I get, but I just so that also doesn't pass

1206
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:09,119
the sniff test.

1207
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:11,079
Speaker 2: But that but does that make you?

1208
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:12,039
Speaker 1: So?

1209
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: I think I think we're we're miscommunicating a little bit

1210
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,360
because I'm not I'm not trashing their assets. And what

1211
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,519
I'm trashing or trashing really is the idea that they

1212
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,079
can just get someone. And that's not trusting you, it's

1213
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,880
just trasting the idea that's in place that because they

1214
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,119
have trade assets, they automatically now have unlocked the you know,

1215
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,599
the ability to trade for you Giannis so to speak,

1216
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:35,320
like that is still not there. Like what I'm wondering,

1217
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,760
I can rephrase it, who is the best players they

1218
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,320
can get with those assets? Like I know what you're saying, like, oh,

1219
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,159
they can probably get Cycloping and Jimmy Butler without relinquishing

1220
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:48,079
those assets fully aware, But like if they haven't done that,

1221
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,559
so we have to assume that they're either thinking bigger

1222
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,079
or trying something else. And what I'm wondering is who's

1223
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:58,719
that guy out there who is perhaps available for that package.

1224
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,719
That's what I don't know. I don't have a name.

1225
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:01,880
Is that Kevin Durant.

1226
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:04,039
Speaker 1: It might be Kevin Durant? Is it would they be?

1227
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,400
They'd be a sneaky d Aaron Fox team. If they're

1228
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,679
willing to put everything on the table.

1229
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if the Kings hadn't suddenly started winning again,

1230
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:12,800
I guess.

1231
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,679
Speaker 1: Im partly without him, But yeah, I mean like he

1232
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:17,239
could maybe they're worried about his next contract, or maybe

1233
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:19,719
he does want out based off that nial reporting, I

1234
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,920
wonder if they put everything on the table, let's say

1235
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,239
every pick at least? Ye, could they get LaMelo Ball?

1236
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you're so asking the wrong guy about them, because

1237
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,760
I would not put all those picks in for LaMelo Ball?

1238
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: Could they get? Okay? And this is like, but maybe

1239
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,960
you use Dennis Shuder as the matching money? Does Kobe

1240
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,480
White do it for you? If you have to give

1241
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,079
up the equivalent of multiple first recording?

1242
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: Why no? No, I think I think you have if

1243
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,519
I think the assumption here is you'd use the contract

1244
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:55,440
of Aaron Aaron Wiggins, Wow, Andrew Wiggins and all of

1245
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,880
the draft picks and then all right they can aggregate. Sorry,

1246
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,760
so the contracts of Interrowiggans, Danny Schhorter. What did that

1247
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,039
gets you? That gets you to thirty nine point two?

1248
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: Hey, if their interest is still interested, they could probably

1249
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,559
get Paul Georgian now, right.

1250
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:16,719
Speaker 2: Might even get some drav toicquit you backs messed up,

1251
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:19,440
I know, but like it's just I think it's so

1252
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,320
like I understand what you're saying, and I agree with

1253
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,239
you that it has been performative. I agree with you that

1254
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:29,960
the plan is nonsensical or at least not transparent. But

1255
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:32,119
I'm also just trying to play devil's advocate in the

1256
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:36,320
sense that I don't know who the player out there is.

1257
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:37,239
I do.

1258
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,119
Speaker 1: What I will say then, though, is that it's a

1259
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:40,800
failure on their part because of all the name like

1260
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,760
we've read, like the Siakam stuff specifically, right, all these

1261
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,880
players have never been good enough. And if those players,

1262
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,760
all NBA caliber players for the most part, have not

1263
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,719
been good enough to elevate you in your book, you

1264
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,719
should have been running, running and developing your team in

1265
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,599
a fundamentally different way than you have been.

1266
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: You know what, I what I really thought in terms

1267
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,480
of like when when the town's discourse when he was

1268
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:09,880
with the Wolves, like, oh, he's gonna get traded. I

1269
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,920
thought he was the guy that they were well.

1270
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: But they weren't, Like didn't they not want his contract

1271
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:14,840
or something?

1272
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,719
Speaker 2: Right? So, and I think that's where things become to

1273
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,559
fall begins to fall apart, because if one of the

1274
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:27,639
best spacing big men of all time isn't interesting to you,

1275
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:31,880
knowing full well, he's perfectly fine. Hys you know everyone

1276
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,360
knew that his rebounding also with returns to form after

1277
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,920
not playing next to Rudy Gobert Like this. I don't.

1278
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,960
I don't know about you, but I'm not shocked at

1279
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,400
his performance in New York this year, whatsoever. I was like, yeah,

1280
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:46,800
makes sense more more more feature role, like more opportunities and.

1281
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: Him man him next to Draymond that really interesting defense, right,

1282
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:53,519
Like that's.

1283
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,159
Speaker 2: And and and the thing is they've just you're right,

1284
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:59,320
they poop pooed everything that's come up. So either there

1285
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,599
must be some you know, galaxy brained idea in there

1286
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:05,880
that just that they're sitting on and just waiting sexecute

1287
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,480
while Steph is approaching forty I guess.

1288
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, are they waiting on the age forty five Lebron

1289
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,079
James to request a trade or something? I don't I

1290
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,360
don't understand that's.

1291
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:18,639
Speaker 2: The guy though, so that that's the guy where maybe

1292
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:20,800
that's actually I don't like, I know you might be

1293
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,000
joking here, but like I honestly think that might have

1294
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:26,519
been the goal, because there was that point last season

1295
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:29,639
if you remember, where it was kind of a little

1296
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:31,079
bit up in the air whether he was going to

1297
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:34,199
return or not, like even last trade deadline. Yeah, there

1298
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:38,400
are some rumplings about perhaps the Lakers should just explore

1299
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:43,519
the market a little bit, and immediately we heard like immediately, oh,

1300
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:46,000
the Warriors are interested, So that might be the guy.

1301
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:46,920
So that's the.

1302
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: A team that's better than you right now, Lebron James.

1303
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: Right.

1304
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: So I just, I I just I'm not saying that,

1305
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,840
let's use Siakham or Towns as the example that they

1306
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,559
traded for those guys that they would have won the title.

1307
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:06,159
But if you're trying to tell me that you were

1308
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,159
actually in on mary market and so you thought he

1309
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,800
was good enough, but Jimmy Butler isn't good enough, like

1310
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,760
fuck all the way off it like that. I here's what,

1311
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,760
here's my issue. If you think that the Warriors just

1312
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,039
shouldn't make a trade, they should prioritize the future and

1313
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,480
keep their assets. I think that's perfectly acceptable. I wish

1314
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,360
I want better for their fans. I want Steph to

1315
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,679
want better for the team in general. I like that

1316
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,440
he is. The confidence that he thinks maybe they could

1317
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,639
catch lightning in a bottle is currently constructed. I understand

1318
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,519
that entire perspective, but don't try don't treat us or

1319
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,280
don't don't try to treat your fans like a bunch

1320
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,920
of idiots. And that's what I think has happened here,

1321
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,679
and I like it's it's kind of shameful because like

1322
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:50,039
I want to see Steph play meaningful basketball games. And

1323
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:52,960
look this podcast specifically, we said, oh, maybe the Warriors

1324
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,400
are gonna better than we thought at the start of

1325
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,360
the season. So yeah, there's ebbs and flows to all

1326
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,639
of this, but guess what we are months removed from

1327
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,639
the twelve three and now you're in danger of maybe

1328
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,679
not making the playoffs in the Western Conference, And so

1329
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:07,280
that creates the impetus of why would we make a

1330
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,559
trade when we're like already this low and this just

1331
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:12,360
they're just full of excuses and I don't think they

1332
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,599
actually have a coherent plan in place, which whether it's

1333
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:19,199
with regard to Steph of today or the future of

1334
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:21,800
the franchise, that's what I think is most shameful.

1335
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: You know what we need, we need them to trade

1336
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,239
for Rudy Gobert and then find out once and for

1337
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,760
all if teammates can get technicals for fighting with each other.

1338
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Julius Randall might be available if that does anything

1339
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:42,119
for them I need. I was honestly being facetious.

1340
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: Well see, I know you were, but I kind of

1341
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,480
think that might be the one scene where you could

1342
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,320
sort of negate some of his weaknesses because of Steph

1343
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,639
and the gravity.

1344
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,719
Speaker 1: Maybe, but you know the problem with someone in his salary. Yeah,

1345
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,480
and this is what I do. Recognize that you need

1346
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,239
to be willing in most cases to give up Andrew

1347
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,119
Wiggins to get that guy. And I understand that Wiggins

1348
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:07,239
is critical to what you're doing. But we've also kind

1349
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,559
of seen this movie before, for like, you can't let

1350
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,000
Andrew Wiggins stop you from acquiring someone who elevates your ceiling.

1351
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:17,039
That's not Julius Randall, to be clear. But yeah, so

1352
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,440
I think we can move on to this item now,

1353
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:24,119
though more there are centers for sale. Yeah, so, Mark

1354
01:07:24,159 --> 01:07:26,800
Stein and Jake Fisher over at the Steinline Slash The

1355
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,000
People's Insider said that the following bigs remain actively available.

1356
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:34,280
Chris Bouche the best big in the world, John Collins, Jonas,

1357
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,840
found Tunis and Nicolo Vucevic. Michael Scatto of Hoopsype added

1358
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,519
Robert Williams the Third to the fold, and he also

1359
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:44,800
noted that it's going to take multiple seconds to get

1360
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:48,800
RW three and Valance unis. What do you make of

1361
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,639
this list? Who do you think commands the most, Who

1362
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:52,199
do you think is most likely to get moved, Who

1363
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:54,159
can make the biggest impact on a team. What are

1364
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:55,159
just your thoughts about this?

1365
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, again, you know how, I'm mister safety over here.

1366
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,199
If someone calls me and says, well, you're interested in

1367
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,800
Robert Williams the third, and it's gonna take you multiple seconds,

1368
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:08,800
I'm politely declining because.

1369
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Oh I would do it.

1370
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: I would not.

1371
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,159
Speaker 1: I am rob I am r W three pilled from

1372
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:14,119
like half a decade ago.

1373
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I love him. It's a question

1374
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,960
of health, question of availability. I again, I have to

1375
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,680
take these things into consideration. If I'm a general manager

1376
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,039
and I'm relinquishing assets, I want to make damn sure

1377
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:30,279
that the guy I'm trading for is available. I can't trust.

1378
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: That for multiple seconds. I would roll the dice.

1379
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So what is multiple seconds?

1380
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: Is it?

1381
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:36,159
Speaker 2: Two?

1382
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: Is it five if it's two, but like if multiple

1383
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,560
seconds is five the J Crowder Special as we call it. No,

1384
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,119
I'm not like that's just how many teams that aren't

1385
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:48,079
rebuilding even just have five seconds?

1386
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:48,199
Speaker 2: Right?

1387
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: Two?

1388
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,119
Speaker 2: If they're like projects to be low enough in the

1389
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:53,880
near future.

1390
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: I would you have done let's just say Phoenix's package

1391
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,600
for Nick rich would you've given up that amount of

1392
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,760
second round equity for Robert Williams the third.

1393
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: That's a really good question because Williams is better than

1394
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,319
Nick Richards, but his availability sucks compared to Nick, so

1395
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,520
like I feel that kind of evens it out. Yeah,

1396
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:22,319
I mmm, I probably would specifically for Phoenix, Yes.

1397
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,159
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just meant in general, like that's the

1398
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,880
because Phoenix the money to get there, they wouldn't need.

1399
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,359
Speaker 2: A general MANA sure I probably would. But again I'm

1400
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,319
I'm reiterating myself. For I'm mister safety. I wouldn't dare.

1401
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:35,880
I wouldn't dare, Like I could trade him and he

1402
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,960
could go down after six games, and I'm sitting there

1403
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:40,720
looking like a freaking idiot, for.

1404
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,319
Speaker 1: You're not for giving up three seconds.

1405
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,079
Speaker 2: Like if you're saying getting one right, I'm getting I'm

1406
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:48,000
getting a two and a.

1407
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: Half seconds like what And the other thing here is

1408
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,319
Phoenix didn't send out you know, josh A Kogi had

1409
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,239
played for them, but it wasn't if you're not sending

1410
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:59,960
out like someone who's really important to you, like he said,

1411
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,560
if you're the Knicks. As an example, you can make

1412
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,720
the case that Robinson in seconds, even though Robinson's availability

1413
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,039
this year has been worse than our W three's, does

1414
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:12,159
that look bad because you're kind of trading one injury

1415
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:13,920
prone center for another one and someone who could be

1416
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,800
ultra useful if he's healthy. Like so that might be

1417
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,359
a case where it's, oh, do you have egg on

1418
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:19,960
your face if our W three gets hurt and he

1419
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:21,920
up three seconds? But if you're just giving up, yeah,

1420
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:26,199
matching salary to do it, I would go to three seconds.

1421
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:26,920
I would do it.

1422
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,199
Speaker 2: Look, we agree that he's played fifty three games over

1423
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:31,319
the past three seasons.

1424
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:35,399
Speaker 1: Do we agree? In this political climate? Can I just

1425
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:36,640
claim that that's actually.

1426
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 2: Fake alternative facts? True? Yes, I would just like to

1427
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,279
say he's averaging seventeen point seven games played on over

1428
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:46,119
the past three seasons.

1429
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: Isn't that more than Joelle embiid?

1430
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 2: Look, man, I you know what I'm gonna go with,

1431
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,800
stick with my gut here. My answer is no, because

1432
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,960
availability is so important to me. If I'm building an

1433
01:10:57,039 --> 01:11:00,439
NBA roster and if I'm looking at how I'm managing

1434
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,560
the salary cap, I just can't justify it over myself.

1435
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,199
But again that's me. I'm not saying that you shouldn't.

1436
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:07,720
I know you'd pulled the trigger, but you also a

1437
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,640
lawless maverick who plays by your own rules. So I

1438
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,760
respect the hell out of that. You're far more brave

1439
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:14,520
than I would ever be.

1440
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: I would be like, yeah, I do something to If

1441
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,399
I was Detroit, I'd be like, hey, you want that

1442
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,880
Toronto second round pick this year and just give us

1443
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,520
RW three. We'll take him into or I would do

1444
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:24,199
something like that.

1445
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And I respect the hell out of it.

1446
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,079
And then I if I'm playing you, I would just

1447
01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:31,239
like laugh my ass off if he's injured again.

1448
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: And even if he's not injured, he's probably giving you

1449
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,760
like it needs to be the right team. Because he's

1450
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,520
not giving you more than twenty minutes per game on

1451
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,159
a regular basis. It's just not happening.

1452
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: Not but those twenty minutes can be really good I'm

1453
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,840
not going to diminish his play like defensively, I trust him.

1454
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:47,520
I think he's a far underrated passer. I think shot

1455
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,439
locking wise, he's still got the timing, he's got the

1456
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,880
anticipation of it. He's still a great, great shot converter

1457
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,560
around the rim. Like I see the value there. And look,

1458
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,239
if this guy was averaging four games per year, Hell yes,

1459
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:04,000
I would have done it immediately.

1460
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: Do any of these other big stickle your fancy Warriors

1461
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,840
have been linked to vouch by the way.

1462
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: By the way, I actually liked that for him. I

1463
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,760
think that makes sense. I don't think it's the all

1464
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,560
in move because he's not Kevin Durant, even though this

1465
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,520
year he's kind of shooting like him, which is wild.

1466
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that how do you get there as the Warriors?

1467
01:12:22,399 --> 01:12:24,680
Are you waiting for Dennis Shruder to be aggregated on

1468
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,840
February fifth and trading him plus Looney.

1469
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:28,399
Speaker 2: To do it?

1470
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: Or you because I think it has to be three

1471
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:32,760
for one if you're not giving up Wiggins otherwise because

1472
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:38,560
you have Looney, Kyle Anderson and h Gary Payton. Second,

1473
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,439
those are kind.

1474
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:42,239
Speaker 2: Of your wouk If he wanted to go that way.

1475
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 1: Would you give up. But then I guess Dennis Shrudter's

1476
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,560
not played well and you're viewing voochs, then is your

1477
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,680
offensive hub in the non steph minutes, which which makes

1478
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,159
some sense.

1479
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like why not?

1480
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: So you would do that as them? So Nicola Vucevich

1481
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,800
is good enough and not Karl Anthony Towns. I get it,

1482
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,479
that makes sense.

1483
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm just I'm not saying I disagree with them,

1484
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,039
but like, yeah, no, it's it's wild, right. But Booch

1485
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:08,039
is he's such a he's such a weird animal right now,

1486
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:12,000
because everything one seems to know that this is just

1487
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,760
a hot year, like no one's anticipating this is gonna,

1488
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:17,880
you know, continue past this year because there's like a

1489
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:23,359
fairly long bit of Bull's history of him being extremely inefficient, right,

1490
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:27,279
so I think seems are like is this real? That's

1491
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:29,399
the one thing they're asking themselves when they're having this

1492
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,439
question about Booch, Is it real? And whatever? It seems

1493
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,039
dumb enough to say, yes, totally real. This is the

1494
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:39,159
new vooch. The bulls should squeeze them, but I don't

1495
01:13:39,159 --> 01:13:40,159
trust the bulls that do that.

1496
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, the valancedis is that that's if you want

1497
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:48,439
to go really offense first, and you're probably not gonna

1498
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:49,720
get a lot of stretch out of him. But he's

1499
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,800
shooting really well from two this.

1500
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 2: Year, rebounding as always.

1501
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that could be a name that's interesting

1502
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,760
for the Warriors because it would be one a small

1503
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,560
contract and then one of the mid ends that we

1504
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,000
just mentioned. So I don't know. I don't like the

1505
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:07,239
Lakers have been linked to him, Like do you like

1506
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:08,960
any of these big So actually I would like Chris

1507
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,439
Bouchet on the Lakers. I like Chris Bouchet everywhere. Who

1508
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,560
am I kidding? But like, if you could get off

1509
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,800
of the Vanderbilt or gave Vincent contracts and get Chris Bouchet,

1510
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,239
I probably wouldn't hate that as the Lakers.

1511
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:24,039
Speaker 2: Right, And I can also finally shut the mouth of

1512
01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:28,279
Afony Davis, so who's always asking for a center, Like

1513
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:29,680
I don't want to play center. I want to play

1514
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:30,760
power forwards, short guy?

1515
01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:34,119
Speaker 1: Would you do? So? You could get to Vouch's money

1516
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,600
pretty easily as the Lakers if it's only gonna cost

1517
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,239
you second round equity. But I don't know if that's

1518
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:40,479
enough to get the problem with the Lakers is so

1519
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,159
the money they're sending out just has multiple years.

1520
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:43,399
Speaker 2: Left on it.

1521
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,079
Speaker 1: So if it's Vanderbilt and Vincent and a second, you

1522
01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:50,119
need Chicago to like the idea of Vanderbilt and imagine

1523
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:52,800
him being healthy long term. I guess not outside the

1524
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,760
realm of possibility. But they're not gonna trade Rui Jalen

1525
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,800
Chafino has no like, no real value as an asset,

1526
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,319
and you're not trading. You are not traded first vouch

1527
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:02,159
that would.

1528
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: Be honestly, See, this is this is where it's so

1529
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,840
difficult to project Bulls traits because I'm not even kidding.

1530
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,439
I know you're always laughing when I'm talking about the Bulls,

1531
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,000
just in regards to like their lack of ability to negotiate.

1532
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,680
But they're sort of like the Warriors in the sense

1533
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,720
that we have no idea what the planet it really is.

1534
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,000
We know they're limited in the fact that their management

1535
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:24,199
seem isn't allowed to rebuild, nor are they allowed to

1536
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:26,359
go all in for a star, which kind of leaves

1537
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,039
them in the middle. We also have no idea what

1538
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:32,760
their sense of value is since they didn't even get

1539
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,039
a draft pick back for Alex Caruso. Like they're so

1540
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,960
all over the place that when we try to apply

1541
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:42,560
logic to what they should seek in a return, like oh,

1542
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,079
when they'd be satisfied with only getting it too, like

1543
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:49,279
a second round pick alongside Jared Vanderbilt and gate Vincent. Dude,

1544
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,880
Maybe maybe they'll be fine with Maybe they'll be the

1545
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,000
one who acts the pick, like that's where we are.

1546
01:15:55,039 --> 01:15:57,199
We have no idea. Maybe they'll be like, oh, we

1547
01:15:57,239 --> 01:15:59,239
love Jared Vanderbilt so much, we're gonna give you a

1548
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:04,079
protect first. Like this team is so unpredictable that I

1549
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:06,399
can't sit here in good consciences go, well, the Bulls

1550
01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:09,359
should actually do this very logical thing, because there's no

1551
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,279
logic connected to them. I have no idea what to expect,

1552
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:16,479
and any analysis towards what the Bulls are thinking and

1553
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,680
what the bull should do is completely pointless as to

1554
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,640
what they might have actually doing.

1555
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: And I would be interested in. I know John Collins.

1556
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,880
I think he saw it on with a hip injury

1557
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,000
and has been for most of January.

1558
01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 2: He'd be fun of the Warriors too.

1559
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 1: Do you think just because he's like a pure four,

1560
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,520
you can't really I mean they're a team where you've

1561
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:36,880
used him.

1562
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 2: I love it he can pick and pop. He can

1563
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,840
pick and roll. He's a lob thread. He rebounds like look,

1564
01:16:44,039 --> 01:16:46,600
Draymond can play the file all be a small ball,

1565
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,159
but he like in the half court setting, like just

1566
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:51,960
just I know they don't play a lot of pig

1567
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,199
and roll there, and that's that's the one thing that

1568
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,840
might make me hesitate a little bit. But short role

1569
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:03,039
action with Collins playing the base line, Oh, it could

1570
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:06,239
be gorgeous. There's a world where in that could be gorgeous.

1571
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,319
Speaker 1: There are any other teams that you would like because

1572
01:17:08,319 --> 01:17:10,720
he makes I'm curious what the ask would be because

1573
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,159
Utah doesn't necessarily need more picks and they're not a

1574
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:14,800
team that's, oh, we need to get off his money

1575
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,560
for next season. But he's also just he does have

1576
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,439
his limitations. He has paid a good amount of money.

1577
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,520
I'd just be curious what the market would be for

1578
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,800
him and which teams could because he would be interesting

1579
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,640
in Detroit, like Tim Hardaway Junior for maybe a second

1580
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,840
for John Collins or is it just Tim Hardaway Junior

1581
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,560
for John Collins. I might go in a different direction,

1582
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:37,239
but that would be by the way Detroit would have

1583
01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:39,039
to do. John Collins is like, we'll play him in

1584
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,520
one big lineups and if you don't feel confident about that,

1585
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,079
you move on.

1586
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 2: Just get Let me just look up the salary for Collins.

1587
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,760
I don't remember it off the top of my head.

1588
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,119
I think it's like twenty six.

1589
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,399
Speaker 1: Right, thought he was a twenty five and a half

1590
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:52,960
or something.

1591
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:56,159
Speaker 2: Twenty six and a half. All right, a little memory

1592
01:17:56,199 --> 01:18:00,399
I have left in my golden years here. Okay, so

1593
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,560
that's probably gonna be a little tough to find a trade. Now,

1594
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,520
wait a second, So they had I was thinking the

1595
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,399
Raptures using Bruce Brown's expiring.

1596
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.

1597
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of like that for him. I think

1598
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:17,520
they need someone I like before the season before, by

1599
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,079
the way, I want to really flesh this out, before

1600
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:23,079
Yaka Pearle suddenly blew up and became much better than

1601
01:18:23,079 --> 01:18:27,640
he was before, especially offensively. I suggested a deal. I

1602
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,560
think it was Bruce Brown and your Chris Bouchet for

1603
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,880
DeAndre Ayden because I thought, all right, look, let's let's

1604
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,560
get a more offensive focused, you know, center in there,

1605
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,199
who also can play both sides of the floor. But

1606
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:46,239
now that Purle is playing the way that he is,

1607
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,760
I kind of want to stick with him. But I

1608
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,960
do think they need another interior scorer, someone who's a

1609
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,840
little bit more of a high flyer, someone who's just

1610
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,439
kind of reliant on others to score, like so, someone

1611
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,279
who can be a lob target for both Quickly and

1612
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,760
Scottie Barnes and hell even Archie Barrett. I wouldn't hate

1613
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:12,479
some type of framework there between Bruce Brown for John Collins.

1614
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,359
Speaker 1: No, I didn't think about them as a team. I

1615
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:16,600
guess that'd be. But you have I mean, if you're

1616
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,680
Chris Bouchet, you're gonna move on from but you do

1617
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,079
have Peerle and Kelly Olynok, so what is his role

1618
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:25,319
long term there? But he would give you he would

1619
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:28,960
kind of combine like the stretch and the traditional big stuff.

1620
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:38,560
So that makes some sense. What about what about san Antonio? Hmm, Yeah,

1621
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,479
you don't sound sure, or you're free to say no.

1622
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 2: I don't because I so obviously, as you're well aware,

1623
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,760
I watched a ton of San Antonio because of Wenby.

1624
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,119
I think you need Collins under those circumstances to lean

1625
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:56,239
into the three point shot a little bit more. And

1626
01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:58,920
I don't think that's the right approach for him. I

1627
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,800
think I would I I would prefer to find a

1628
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,159
team where he's actually leaning towards more so like being

1629
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:08,119
a law threat than being overly reliant on the three,

1630
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:10,920
because san Antonio, right now, they just need more spacing,

1631
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,399
like I think, I think offensively he or from a

1632
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,840
scoring perspective, John Collins is where Jeremy Sohan probably is

1633
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,039
in a couple of years. Mm hm. But I like

1634
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:27,279
the ability of having so hand handle the ball defended

1635
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:29,680
at a high level. He's probing the defense a lot

1636
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,760
more like his ball handling is so much more evolved.

1637
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:35,199
I would like to stick with that if I'm san Antonio.

1638
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,640
What's a team the Kings. That's been one that's mentioned

1639
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,239
all the time. It's sort of like Kevin.

1640
01:20:40,039 --> 01:20:44,279
Speaker 1: Herder and Trey Lyles. Yeah love John Collins. Nice little

1641
01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:46,239
reunion between Trey and Utah.

1642
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:49,079
Speaker 2: Yeah love that one. Love that one actually, because you

1643
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:54,520
know what they need someone who can consistently get points

1644
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,239
off the attention given to others. Yes, love that.

1645
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,119
Speaker 1: No other Kings are really like jumping out to me.

1646
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:05,319
He'd be interesting, like if you just step laddered, Like

1647
01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:07,159
what if you just did all like kind of your

1648
01:21:07,159 --> 01:21:10,800
expiring contracts and then whatever draft echo do you need

1649
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,199
and put him on Houston.

1650
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:18,279
Speaker 2: Oh, next to Shane Gun who finally have a lopt target,

1651
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,279
like or not finally because he has.

1652
01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:24,159
Speaker 1: To they have Smith there and Aman Thompson already. But

1653
01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:27,159
like he's probably he definitely has more utility than a

1654
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:30,000
Jacque Landell, Jeff Green or Steven Adams at the point.

1655
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if he'll get tough shots to justify anything

1656
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:34,239
like his role.

1657
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.

1658
01:21:38,039 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: What about when you're paying him twenty almost twenty seven

1659
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,239
million because he's got to pick that option up next year? Surely?

1660
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Does it? What about the Lakers? I just don't

1661
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,279
why the Jazz is gonna want their coll Like, do

1662
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:51,760
you move the protections on your twenty twenty seven pick

1663
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:53,079
to entitle?

1664
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:57,359
Speaker 2: What does he fit? Does he fit like the stylistic Yeah,

1665
01:21:57,399 --> 01:21:58,279
that Lakers?

1666
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's you could say you can just tell

1667
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,359
him if you did. Hey, John Collins is technically the

1668
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:04,199
center even though ad is still the center.

1669
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still leaning Toronto on this one because

1670
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,159
I think I think there's a fit there that makes

1671
01:22:10,399 --> 01:22:12,840
some level of sense, you know what seems to make

1672
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,960
the perfect sense on but they just don't have like

1673
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:18,119
the contract nor we should you mess with the product

1674
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:21,840
that's working. I'd love him in Boston, just as some

1675
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:24,800
dude who comes in and just scores and does nothing more.

1676
01:22:25,239 --> 01:22:27,720
Just like, all right, Look, whenever I'm on the floor,

1677
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:31,520
I'm jacking up shots, I'm getting rebounds, and I'm trusting

1678
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,079
everyone around me to defend for my level. That's fine.

1679
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: Two very quick questions here. First, who among these bigs

1680
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,000
that we mentioned, these five Yonnas found Chunisnikolovucevich, John Collins,

1681
01:22:42,119 --> 01:22:44,920
Chris Bouchet and RW three are most likely to get moved.

1682
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: I think there are more. But if you're asking me

1683
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,039
to literally pick one out of the litter, I'm gonna Chris,

1684
01:22:50,119 --> 01:22:52,119
say Chris Bouchet because of the fact that he's an

1685
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:54,319
expiring contract. Uh.

1686
01:22:54,399 --> 01:22:57,319
Speaker 1: Now, if I set the over under at two and

1687
01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:00,520
a half of these big these five big is getting moved,

1688
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:01,680
do you take any over the under.

1689
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna go with the over.

1690
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,079
Speaker 1: Wow, I'd probably go under. Not gonna lie.

1691
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: There's a reason I have a selfish motive to that,

1692
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:14,079
because every single year I live stream the trade deadline

1693
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,039
like in a studio setup. So I can't sit here

1694
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,119
and say I don't predict any trades, because then no

1695
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:20,960
one is going to tune in. I want people to

1696
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,520
tune in, so I'm rooting for trades and that's why

1697
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,960
I'm taking this approach that I am.

1698
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,239
Speaker 1: Unless you have anything else to add, are you able

1699
01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:30,880
to just tell our listeners viewers where they can find

1700
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you and all the fantastic work that you do.

1701
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Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me over at Blue Sky, at

1702
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MSJ NBA, you can find me at Yahoo Sports. You

1703
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,640
can find me at Forbes. You can find me at

1704
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:45,239
Sports Illustrated, specifically Draft Digest. I'm also doing a bunch

1705
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of Danish stuff that you probably wouldn't understand, which is

1706
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:51,399
totally fair. Oh and also, do you mind if I

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pluck something? I have a promo code Dana. Is it

1708
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fine if I pluck that?

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1710
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Speaker 1: Chad that is exciting and go follow moret on all

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the social channels. The links to those will be in

1721
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,960
the podcast a YouTube description. Until next time and as

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always we beat the shot out to the one, the only,

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the Hello, freshest of the fresh mister Frank Meeler PETI