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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on. Thanks
for telling a friend. That's how we spread the word
about the Iverage ship.
Speaker 3: Danny's here, Good morning, afternoon.
Speaker 2: Hi doing, I'm doing all right. I uh, I'm doing alright.
I don't know how I'm doing. To be honest with you,
it's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: I got full Joe Cocker. You're half Joe Cocker.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I can't really tell you ever have
these times where you're just like, I have so much
to do and I don't feel like doing any of it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's paralysis
by stuff.
Speaker 2: By what bye bye?
Speaker 3: Like I got too much crap. Then I started where
do I start?
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this because you're coming in
and your supplement guy, and you know, and I've been.
Speaker 3: Taking recommendations for people too.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have. I'm sure Doctor Dan got off.
Speaker 3: The phone with somebody on my way on the way over.
Come on, They're like, well, yeah, how about how about
you just show me. I'm like, okay, come on, yeah, real,
for real. I was trying to help something.
Speaker 2: Was it a friend or a relative?
Speaker 3: Yeah? A wife?
Speaker 2: Oh, a wife, my wife. Yes, I got it, I got.
Speaker 4: It all right.
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing, Like I was thinking about
this because of you, and and I have a friend
who said to me today, I got up this morning
and I chugged a red Bull and had an adderall.
And I'm like, that's suburban cocaine is kind of know how.
Speaker 4: That is, don't you?
Speaker 2: Like, like I'm shaking like a leaf. I think the
person probably took half the adter all.
Speaker 3: But but that's how they do it. You know, you
take half, right, you know, stuff's time released. You gotta
be careful you do stuff like that. Okay.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing, is like I I should talk
to a doctor, but I'm going to talk to doctor
Dan because.
Speaker 4: I'll give you two things.
Speaker 2: One is I've been taking them at a mucil okay,
And I've been taking it at night.
Speaker 4: Maybe a mistake. You might want to take it during
the morning. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've been taking at night because I've been trying to
curb my night eating, figuring this will fill me up
and kind of.
Speaker 3: I'll just brush your teeth. I'm not joking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do brush my t I floss and brush.
I still want to eat, Dan, It's that is true.
Speaker 3: I mean, like usually, like if you trust your teeth.
Speaker 2: I like to drink. I actually like brush my teeth
and then drinking coffee and people go ill and I go, yeah,
but it tastes minty.
Speaker 4: I kind of like it.
Speaker 2: But so I like some crested, but I get these
stomach pains, like bad pains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because because it's cleaning you out. I remember once
taking my father. I was like, it was like twenty two.
I go, yeah, I think I'm bound up. He goes,
try betafiber benifiber. I go, okay. So I tried the benefiber.
I felt like I took the morning after pill. Okay,
from what I've heard about the morning after pill, I was, yeah,
it hurt for like a few days. I'm like, screw that,
because uh yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on.
And what happens is the fiber and all that stuff
that's in the benefiber or in the metamuse. So I'd
rather take the Top care kind because it's the best one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have the Top cared that I got
the orange flavor.
Speaker 3: Okay. But the point is, though, is that, well, the
the one is it's there's no flavor for it, which
is which is you could add to anything with the
Top Care Kind. But the point is, though, is that
now that fiber and those cultures are getting in your
stomach and they're they're doing work on your stomach, there's
a lot going on there and easy get cleaned out.
It's like basically ripping everything down to the studs and
rebuilding your gut.
Speaker 2: I need to rip down to the studs because it's
not necessarily a bad thing. I'm like, not not necessarily
happy where I am.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: But after about a week you should be or three
four days you should be okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I took it last night and I was like,
oh god, it hurts. It hurt like it hurt hurt.
And then then I go, maybe there's something wrong with me.
Maybe I got that. And then your mind starts going, now,
here's the other thing. As I you know, I'm back
in school, there's all kinds of stuff. I'm already a
little bit behind on things I've got. I have to
sit down. I don't want I don't know why I
fight this, fight this, fight this, but it's like even
cleaning lately, I just like I just don't fucking want
to do it. And I don't know if I'm just tired,
if I'm still tired from when my you know, all
this shit with my old man stressed that I have
no I deal what it is.
Speaker 3: I think, okay, this is like.
Speaker 2: A therapy says, so I don't know what it is.
I'm like all fucked up in my head with things,
and I go should I need to sit down and
like organize and have almost a roadmap every day of
what I'm doing and at what time I'm doing it.
And for some reason, Dan, it's something in me. I've
always fought that. I have always fought that, like I
told you.
Speaker 3: Years the flesh, if you want to do something, you will,
and if you don't, you'll find an excuse, Bill morand
yeah verse two.
Speaker 4: Okay, but but I know I said that.
Speaker 2: But like I remember, I told you this, I've told
this story before where the guy was gonna somebody came
to me and said, you could be a general manager
of a radio stations. And I'm like, I don't want
to sit and do meetings and I don't want to
be that organized.
Speaker 4: But now I kind of do want to be that organized.
Speaker 2: I want to have my shit together. I want things
to grow and block and move along here, yeah, and
do well, I'll be the general manager myself and so.
But yet at the same time, I'm like fighting at all.
I'm like, yeah, like today, I went to bed last
night at a decent hour. I should have got up
at six. I didn't get up till eight fifteen. And
it's like laziness anyway.
Speaker 3: This is yeah. But you know what though, what that's
part of the transition, that's part of the growth, is
that you're going to go through those It's not linear,
you're going to Because I went through this period after
the after I lost my last radio job, I'm like, Okay,
I really got to get my act together here and
figure out what's next because radio is not going to
be it. Clearly. There's only so many jobs in this town.
And I've worked at both companies and that's it radio.
That was my I'm talking about back. I'm talking about me. Yeah, yeah, okay,
I got to find something else that's going to make
actually make real money. I had already been divorced, and
so part of that process is coming up with that plan,
and there's gonna be that fight in that urge land.
I really don't need to do this. I don't want
to do this, and you're gonna go through that. But
eventually the more that you because all I want to
do is play, right right?
Speaker 2: All I want to right, I need to do is play.
I called my friends and I want to go play. Damiens, yes, right,
like Damien last week, last week or was.
Speaker 4: It two weeks ago?
Speaker 3: You need play to be a reward, okay, right right.
Play needs to be a reward. Okay, it can't be
the goal. It needs to be the reward the goal,
but the accomplishment I was the reward is the reward
for the goal being met your in your life, Play
is the goal.
Speaker 2: Play has always been the goal. Yeah, that's all I
wanted to do is play.
Speaker 3: Play needs to be the reward.
Speaker 2: But I mean, but I worked hard. Yeah we did
shows and stuff.
Speaker 3: Of course you did. Yeah, there was yeah, and that
was fine. Then this is twenty twenty five, not twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to all right, so like, oh my gosh,
that's a lot of time.
Speaker 3: I know the other day, the other day, maybe that
was two marriages ago.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where we are in the calendar.
Was it last weekend I went to my dad's thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yes, last weekend you went to your fana. Okay, Wow,
you guys were on the boat your brother, Yeah, feel
so long be connected with your family.
Speaker 2: My uncle wrote us today saying that he goes, it
actually snowed lightly in Park City. It's thirty two degrees.
We're heading down to he has a place in Palm Springs, California.
He goes, we're going there to open it up.
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, your aunt k has decided that it's
time to go.
Speaker 5: Uh so just put your spread your father's ashes locations, No, okay,
four cuts of America. So just to go back to
the play thing. I get a call as we're driving
out to go spread my dad's ashes, and we were
going to sprinkle them around the school he worked at.
We're gonna under like what we thought was the window
to his old classroom. That's cool, yeah, except that if
you're caught on camera.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So as I'm driving out phone rings, it's Damien saying
to me, Uh, you want to go to any different bar,
not his bar, a different bar, Thirsty's actually, And he
said uh, And I go, I'm going to sprinkle my
dad's ashes. And that's all he gets, like off the phone,
tackle and he was gone. But I just want to
play and I don't understand what that is. I don't
get it. Like I don't want to do any I
just want to fuck around and play. I don't want
to write.
Speaker 4: I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: So what is this?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's the struggle. That's the struggle.
Speaker 2: Then I'm going should I talk to my doctor and
get out of all because clearly I've got some adhd
ad D I definitely do. I mean I know I do,
and I've known it for a long time. Some people
we all have to the degree that is I can't
get it.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 2: I got it to where like you know, But here's
the question, like do I do that or is that
a stupid thing to do?
Speaker 6: Do?
Speaker 2: I should not be putting those chemicals in my body
that you want to.
Speaker 3: Avoid having to take. I'm going to be put on
a medication soon because I don't. I've been strong arming
something in my life for years now, and it's like, dude,
you you've done well, but you gotta like get a tool.
It is a tool. It is a tool. You want
to stay off as munications is good. But if you
have to do this, it's something along the lines of adderal.
I can't take adderall because it could jack my blood
pressure up, so I can't take I can't take adderall,
So it might be something else, Okay, along those lines. Good.
I told you, like I have all the acronyms. Okay,
so you know so, but basically yeah, damn. But in
all seriousness, you gotta you gotta look, you gotta make
a cross you know those cross lists you make urgently.
Speaker 2: And I know that.
Speaker 3: Stay with me on this. Stay with me. I know that.
I know that, But you put when you write it down,
the act of writing it down actually manifests itself into action.
It's a first step. By writing it down. You can't
have all this stuff floating around your head. So you
gonna do a cross here. You gotta go down urgent,
like mean, I need to do them as soon as possible,
and non urgent urgent, it's not cleaning your house. Is
that urgent? Stay with me in my bathroom.
Speaker 2: You could normally eat off the fucking in the toilet.
Speaker 3: I know, merlo in there.
Speaker 2: I get it, I got it.
Speaker 3: But but you wanted it now from the urgent list,
because that's the urgent thing. What's the easey You want
to write from easiest to hardest or the quickest to
longest the tasks in order. Okay, same thing with the
non urgent okay, easiest to hardest, and then from there
do that easiest task first. In the urgent category, you
build momentum.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, going good.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of that list, what's the goal?
Get all the list done or as much checked off
as you can that day, and then you get your reward,
and you reward yourself for checking off the boxes on
the list. And if you don't do it, you don't
get the reward. No cheese, it's I'm trying to help you, billy.
Speaker 4: I know, no, I I get it it.
Speaker 3: Talk about momentum. But Dave Ramsey has talked a bunch
of people out of debt by simply a simple principle. Okay,
you get a thousand dollars. That's your emergency front. You
don't cancel your credit cards because that could look bad
in your credit But what you do is you pay
off the lowest amount first. Once that's paid off, you
take the minimum pay or whatever you were paying that
monthly and add that to your next lowest minimum payment.
Pay make all the minimum payments on all your credit cards.
But as soon as you pay off the lowest debted
credit card, take that monthly payment, add it to the
next lowest one. Did you pay that off? Pay it
to the next one. No, I did not, But I've
read a book about it, and it's affect. It's called
the snowball effect. You need to snowball effect your urgent
and your non urgent.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's here's my urgent. Like I got to write
a reflection paper. It was due last week. Okay, I
forgot about it all right, because I'm like, so I
get a thing, but I didn't even zero. But I
didn't even get the book till last week. That's how
far by?
Speaker 3: How are you taking the class if you don't have
the book.
Speaker 2: I just sit through and I read the lectures, Like,
here's the thing, dude, Because usually they.
Speaker 4: Like, all right, here, here's where I always question things.
Speaker 2: Yesterday I had to go to UH an event at Fisher.
It was a credited thing that we had to be there.
If you didn't do this walk, you had to do this.
So of course you didn't do the walk, No, because
it was the weekend of my desk. Okay, all right, okay,
so I didn't blow that off. No, that was okay,
that's legit.
Speaker 4: But I went to this and I actually was glad
and wish.
Speaker 2: I I wouldn't have done the walk, probably right, I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: So I.
Speaker 2: Went UH to Fisher. What was I trying to tell you?
Speaker 4: See?
Speaker 3: This is the accreditation because you missed you you're behind
on a peah.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so I get I get the book, but
like all the tests and things, I think I came
in here like it was basically an open book test, right,
But it's all the class notes and things. And I
don't want to print out all my things here because
I'm just going to run out of ink. So I'm
trying to figure out where can I go that I
can print for relatively cheap. Anyway, I haven't done that.
This is inside my head right now. You are in
my head. So I wind up studying here for a
while and then take the test. It's a timed test.
It's one hour. You could look at your notes, but
you only have an hour to complete the entire test.
Speaker 4: So I do the test.
Speaker 2: I think I got somewhere in the nineties.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm walking into this thing yesterday and there's
a woman who I actually graduated Fisher thirty years ago
with who's in this class too, And we're walking in
and I said, how's it going, and she said, not great.
I did terrible on that test and blah blah blah.
So I'm like, it's not that hard. I don't find
this stuff that hard, which sounds dicky, And I could
never say that to this because you're interested in I guess,
or it's just it's interesting to me. It's a lot
of the shit that I already believe, and U shortcut
myself to on certain things. But now you're learning how
to just walk with a person who's you know, there's
a lot going on. There's a lot of shit happening
in the world. People are all jumbled up and nervous
and weirded out and don't know what's happening. So uh,
but it was that was strange to me, and I
wanted to go. I wanted to go, really, but I
did I didn't say anything. I didn't And I'm like,
by the way, just if you if you're struggling with it, right,
all you want to do And I think we take
this stuff too hard and I wish I thought this
way when I.
Speaker 4: Was in school.
Speaker 2: All you want to do is you prove you have
a base of the knowledge. If you feel like you
don't have a base of the knowledge for the test,
but you know you're going to need the base of
the knowledge, get through the test, and then go back
and get that stuff right. I know that takes time
and it's hard, but that's where I'm talking about. I
gotta I gotta lay out my days. So but I'm like,
you could even just take the test, drop it into
Ai and let Ai answer for you. I mean, I didn't,
but I'm like, you could you know what I mean?
Why do badly and get your because all that does
to me is you talk about momentum.
Speaker 4: I suck. I can't do this. I can't right, and.
Speaker 3: It's all up here and you build the momentum in
the other direction if you go I know that I
manipulated things a little bit and whatever, but I'll figure
it out.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna figure it out, right, And that worry about.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is, yes, you may not go back.
Speaker 2: He Well, you have to go back because you're gonna
have finals and all that stuff. So you're gonna have
to go back, and you're gonna have to set up
a system where you Yeah, that that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: If you're a doctor, don't take advice.
Speaker 2: No, but I say it there, why not? It's to me,
it's like it's an intelligent thing.
Speaker 3: I stomach.
Speaker 2: I would want I wouldn't want.
Speaker 3: To be.
Speaker 2: So far in my head that I can't do it
that it's everything's resistance, because then it's going to be
like now there's pressure and I got to study and
I got to know this, and oh my god, and
all that all that does is fuck you up. Your
mind is the biggest thing you've got. You keep it clear,
keep it out there.
Speaker 3: I used to which we put in ourselves.
Speaker 2: My parents never were. They were wonderful, fucked up humans,
but they really were. But the thing that I find
interesting now is you hear over and over and over
with people saying, you've got to take care of yourself.
You've got to give yourself respite, You've got to you
know things, blah blah.
Speaker 3: You need to, Like Jordan Pietersenson said in his book
Ten Rules for Life, you need to take care of yourself.
You need to take care of yourself the way you
be taking care of somebody else. Okay, if you were
tasked to take care of somebody.
Speaker 4: Else, that's a great way to do it, right, we.
Speaker 3: Don't only you said it with a Canadian accent.
Speaker 2: So I'm going I'm thinking of going, Like I'm thinking
of going either maybe to a chiropractor massage together, or
maybe I'm just gonna go take a day like I'm
gonna sneak into a spa or a woodcliff or you
know what.
Speaker 4: I Yeah, Like seriously, I'm thinking of doing that.
Speaker 3: So this is where we can tie it all together.
You make this list, and when you check off the box,
it feels good I got this done. Yes, because you
got this physical list. You are actually with your right
hand up the arm and into the brain checking off
a box and you get that little dopamine hit that
reward once you check off enough. If I check off
five of these ten boxes. I'm going to get the massage.
Speaker 4: It's only one box. I want to be in Dan.
Speaker 7: Five.
Speaker 3: I have to what's number?
Speaker 2: We it's uh, what is our number? Hang on.
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 2: Five five to zero six, zero six, eighty eight sixty six.
That's right there, you go, all right, we will uh,
we'll take I.
Speaker 3: Hope this has been helpful. Yeah, I feel like I'm
not getting brute to you.
Speaker 2: Well because it's me, right, and I see all this stuff.
Speaker 3: So you remind me of somebody I know. You know No,
I know better. I appreciate the advice.
Speaker 2: No, but I know better. I don't think I know better.
I think that I know that I have to do
this and I don't want to. I want to go play. Yes,
we almost sent a text before you came in here,
and I fought hard not to to go. What time
are we meaning today? Drink because it's such a beautiful day,
and I'm like, can't do it, cannot do it.
Speaker 4: You cannot do this and it's much and it pains me.
It's like a to god.
Speaker 2: I'm like all wound up inside, like I want to.
I'm like, ah, fighting myself and I go I don't
want to have to go home and do laundry and towels,
and I want to, you know, take Jamison for a walk,
like I, you know, my bonding thing with it when.
Speaker 3: The washing machine do the work, and then go take
Jamison for the walk.
Speaker 2: But I was like, walk meaning like a hike somewhere.
But I'm like, I just want to. And then I
see the John Candy documentary documentaries.
Speaker 3: I want to watch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean too. I'm like, I'm going to watch that,
you know, And I'd rather do that than read.
Speaker 3: And pastor today in church hit it on the head
in First Corinthians fifteen, I believe we were in and
he's like Paul talking about the apostle. Paul talking about it.
I die daily. I die daily, meaning you have to
die to those fleshly needs or those fleshly wants. They're
not needs, their wants. You have to die of those
fleshly wants to take care of what you need to do.
In Paul's case, it was Christ. In your case, it
is taking care of what you need to take care of.
Speaker 4: The thing is this.
Speaker 2: I will feel so much better when shit is organized
and there's a plane, know it. I absolutely one hundred
percent know that when I know that I've got this
stuff and I can do it, that that is one
hundred percent where I need to be. It's it's the
actual getting over the hump to do it. I know
that makes me just go. I just want to go,
fuck you.
Speaker 3: Just one little battle. Just try to win one battle.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in a battle with myself, my
adult self and my twenty something self, like my rebel self.
Speaker 3: I've asked question adult self, why do I identify with
college kids better than I identify with men my age Because.
Speaker 2: You're retarded, right and by the way, the terrible word
all say, but it just means to have stopped right,
you stop thriving.
Speaker 3: All go through the well, it's not it's not. You know,
like I don't have kids, so I have the luxury
with not having kids of not having too kids will
make you grow up faster. I don't know. Maybe they do.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not a dad, i am, but.
Speaker 3: You know you have to be able to overcome that
urge and do the important stuff. You know, but once
you do, you'll feel great. Just try to win one
battle today, Then win one battle. Laundry, got it done? Okay.
I know it'll be back there at the end of
the week, but you know what, I want it today.
I don't have to worry about that. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
I don't have to worry about all right, we'll get
through this, belief.
Speaker 2: Speaking of speaking of college, something happened yesterday that I
want to I want to play the audio of and
maybe dissect a little bit, because it's it's a strange
thing and I don't know if it shows it's something
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Speaker 8: You You won't come down, you won't.
Speaker 2: You won't move same. You can't stop.
Speaker 6: You a song, body, that's why.
Speaker 3: You call me in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Such a grave song, dirty song.
Speaker 3: Miones wrote this.
Speaker 4: It is dirty, oh it is.
Speaker 3: But the idea is like, oh now you need my
heuse now you want to call. I used to tag
when I was in a band. I'd play Rocket in
the Free World, and then there'd be that one part
before the final verse. We'd always tag a song in
there where. I would always tag a song and I
would throw in the lyrics to urge it and people
it's recognize it and start singing along. Yeah, And it
was that one.
Speaker 2: Did you ever play Urgent? No?
Speaker 3: Louis lou Graham and Foregner are very tough to play
because his voice is so high. It's like if you
could sing him, you can sing zep when you could
sing anything. He is like Freddie Mercury level singer. So
it's very, very tough. I know that. We tried doing
Midnight Blue acoustically a couple times. Great song, the most
played song of nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4: Love that song and lou solo by the way, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well he gave it to Foreigner and Mick couldn't figure
out how to play it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I remember interviewing him saying, remember it was like
it's you know, yeah Midnight Blue or Cherry Red.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cherry Red. He sat down to Tommy's seat. You
looked at me like, dude, like what just asking the move?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 3: Look, can we put you over here in the good seat.
Oh yeah, he's cool. He's not gonna because Tommy got
up Brown. I gotta got one of my mouth.
Speaker 2: I that whole first segment, I feel like was all
over the place. But I feel like I'm dropping the
ball on some things, and I want to put this
out there. A friend of mine, Matt Johnson. I've no
Matt for a number of years, and he reached out
to me and said can we come on the podcast
to promote this? And I say yes, and then I
somehow dropped the ball and he even texted me, hey,
can we set that up? And I feel really really
badly his step son, his name is Jackson Barr. He's
fifteen years old and earlier this year was diagnosed with
Osteo sarcoma, a rare bone cancer. And this young guy
has been going through months of treatment, a pretty major surgery,
and they had to pick a ball tournament that they
wanted to promote.
Speaker 4: They asked me to mc but it was the same
weekend as my.
Speaker 2: Dad's memorial service, so I couldn't do it. And then
I just I felt so bad. I'm driving yesterday.
Speaker 3: Do you ever have this and you realized, oh my gosh,
got to blank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I called him and left a message,
and I would like him to come on, because you know,
the pick aball tournament's wonderful and it raises awareness and
then everybody goes on about their life, so maybe we
can help. It's called Jackson'smafia dot com. Jackson'smafia dot com.
You can go to j A c K S O N.
I don't want you to think.
Speaker 4: It's like Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2: It's j A X s O N j A c
K s O N S Mafia Jackson'smafia dot com. And
I'm sure you can donate there if that's what you're
looking to do, or find other ways to support whatever.
And maybe you maybe you know this young man, or
know the family, or or maybe you even know uh Matt.
But he's a great guy and I feel terrible for this.
He called me like months ago and We've been talking
about it and and I dropped the ball. There you go,
I've done that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't know it's like to be
in your shoes without kids, but I know what it's
like to have like so many things going on and
then you let things fall by the wayside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm I'm I'm I'm overwhelmed. So instead I'd
rather rebel against everything and just go fuck it. I'm
not doing fuck it, fuck it, fuck it. I turned
into a child middle finger guns. Yes, exactly. This is
something I would never expect from this coach. And you've
done many impressions of this coach Bill Belichick. What did
Bill Belichick say all the time.
Speaker 3: We're on the Cincinnati Yeah, and he won't We're on
the Monday's podcast, We're not he won't talk, right, He
won't talk unless you get something that interests him.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you could open VI Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well no, there was one time where somebody asked him
a question and he went on for like four minutes,
like if the question interests Bill Belichick other than like,
you know, because he hates he hates media, he hates
sports writers, and he doesn't want to play the game.
If you ask, like if you asked him about coaching
with Ted Mark Schibroda, he would open up to you.
Or if you asked him about Lawrence Taylor, he would
open up. It depends. But like you know, during the week,
everybody's worried about at the time, the Patriots.
Speaker 2: You got to ask about the patri You have to
ask the right situation. You can't. You can't just go
off so he doesn't say anything right And if but
but if they were tearing down the Patriots, if the
Patriots had a bad game or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like the one time they asked her for a Monday
night football game, you think of making a switch from
Tom Brady Jimmy Garoppolo, and he goes what he'd be
like you kidding?
Speaker 2: Okay, But when if he heard sports radio talk show
or if he heard a TV talk show and they
were kind of talking about the Patriots and how bad
they were or how bad something went, would Bill in
any way respond to that?
Speaker 4: In your opinion?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Okay, Belichick's been getting a.
Speaker 3: Lot of flak over North Carolina.
Speaker 4: North Carolina and I don't even know what their record is.
I think it's like two and two maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've beaten TWOFCS teams, which means Division one double A.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Every college basically in America, the exception of Notre Dame,
plays a couple of cupcakes every year. And what I
mean by cupcakes is non Division one opponents. Yeah, Okay,
Notre Dame doesn't schedule them. There's a couple of other
schools that don't schedule them. For the most part, every college,
including Alabama, schedules a couple of cupcakes every year to
build up their schedule. And those cupcakes, they'll pay them
like two hundred, three hundred thousand dollars to show up,
usually a million, yeah, yeah, even higher. Right, So they
get like all this money to show so of course
they're willing to get their butts kicked to get that paycheck.
But it's really just like a tune up game for
their own team to build up their record. That is
all of North Carolina's wins. Anybody who's legit has beaten
North Carolina and beaten them soundly this year.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So they were talking about that program on College Game
Day and Kirk Herbstreet, Oh, I talk about a guy.
Speaker 3: Who's everywhere, right, He's on Amazon Prime Thursday night football,
doing Thursday nights. Then he does the of course he
does the Saturday night game. He also does Game Day,
so he flies from game Day to wherever the Sunday
night game or Saturday night game is if it's not there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the guy is always doing something, but seems
like a really good human being.
Speaker 3: He's a wholesome guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So they're on the set of Game Day, They're talking
about North Carolina and this happens. Is to understand that
he is completely bought into what's happening with this team
and with this program and.
Speaker 3: Him leaving or the idea answer that I can't but
answer that he has to be.
Speaker 4: Watching right now.
Speaker 3: That's literally Bill Belichick calling Kirkirbs.
Speaker 2: He probably has something to say.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he probably don't, but you know, every coach needs
to have the opportunity to established his culture and also
to recruit his kind of players.
Speaker 2: Now I understand what he's saying. In college is a
slightly different game than even in the NFL, and you
don't have the same caliber player as you do in
the NFL, and you certainly don't at a school that
is not known for their football program, but for the basketball.
Speaker 4: Program in the North Carolina Targios.
Speaker 2: But that being said, is it surprising to you that
Belichick is calling Kirk Herbstreet while he's on set, knowing
he must be watching. I mean, is that surprising to you?
It shocked the shit out of.
Speaker 3: Me if in fact Belichick was calling him, well, because
because Pat McAfee was the guy who asked the question.
McAfee's sitting next to Herby, so maybe he saw Belichick's
name develop for Herby's phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was too.
Speaker 3: I am kind of surprised that Belichick would do that,
But I also.
Speaker 2: He is it thin skinned? What is it? It is?
Speaker 3: But you have to remember now who Belichick is with
and why what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: His girlfriend?
Speaker 3: Jordan Hudson. Who's this man?
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to take it to her,
and I was gonna.
Speaker 3: Ask you stay with you all right, previous lives and
girlfriends like they were just listen, I'm a football coach.
It's going to go along for the RHYMEE. Okay, Now
you're dealing with seventy year old dude who is with
a woman who is a third of his age, and
she's gorgeous and all of a sudden. Now people said
his last few years with the Patriots, he was distracted.
It was more than just Tom Brady moving on, that
Bill was distracted, that he wasn't the same guy, which
says volumes for the fact that they beat the Bills
a couple of times, and that she was in They
were involved before he left New England the last couple
of years. Okay, and I think that she's probably tappening Bill, Bill,
you want to I want to call him right now.
I would get on. I could see. I think she
is in his ear right, But why is he listening?
Speaker 2: You're built, Belichick. You ran one of the story You
built a story franchise. I don't think they were before that.
Speaker 3: Dude, King Solomon was the wisest man. I took him off,
took just took him off the rails.
Speaker 2: With Pussy's Got Power, dude, I know you said it. Yes,
we used to hang out somebody in college. Pussy's Got Power.
We put it right up there. That was it. It's
just it was a bizarre thing to me because I
go wow, and I thought the same thing was was this?
Because I mean, he's a man of few words normally, Belichick, right,
I'll do something. Uh, and I do you think it
was him? Do you think it was maybe his girlfriend
that was calling? Like, don't you wish that Herbstreet would answer? Yeah,
I would have answered. I would Here's what I would
have done. I would have held up the phone. I
just here's who's calling right now. I would have put
him on. I would have answered, gum, Bill, what's up
and held it up to the microphone. Now maybe there.
I don't know if that's against the law. He I mean,
Belichick knew who he was calling. He's calling Herbstreet.
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess he's Bill. You're on the air. Yea,
we know this now, Hurry wouldn't know they's I don't
know if he's ever hosted a radio show. I'm assuming
he has, though, But like he, I think it's one
of those catch twenty two situations where I'm on live television.
Do I really want to do this?
Speaker 2: Don't know?
Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, I don't think McAfee. McAfee's
that pretends to be this tough guy. McAfee's a softball
player too. He never asked Aaron Rodgers a tough question
in his life. Okay, But I'm like, if that were me,
answer that phone. If that were you, Hey, put him
on let's talk. Yeah, yeah, he's get him on it
right now? Right that would be That would have been
such a great moment forbidding, because right now people don't
understand who listen to this podcast may not understand this.
Right now, Fox's Big Noon Kickoff show is actually gaining
steam against College Game Day, and College Game Day was
known to be the one great heritage show in all
of football that everybody agreed to watch, everybody loved, and
Big newon Kickoff on Fox's gaining recognition and gaining steam
and ESPN's brand has taken quite a hit just because
of all the other crap that's going on outside that.
That's what the one crown jewel they have is College
Game Day?
Speaker 2: So why not the phone? Right? I mean, that's a
fourth and desperate if I've ever seen oh yeah, yeah,
it's like what are you doing? And yet it's an
unexpected call on live TV?
Speaker 4: But why not answer that now?
Speaker 3: If you're gonna do that? Like, unless he's afraid, what.
Speaker 2: Has a woman ever influenced you to do?
Speaker 3: To get married to her that the first time and
to get divorced from her?
Speaker 9: Okayright, but we're talking about like a woman has influenced
you in a certain situation where all of a sudden
you did something you probably normally wouldn't do, And that's
not always bad.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and six, my then girlfriend at the time,
who worked in radio, and my sister were graduating from
college on the same day, and I was supposed to
go watch my girlfriend graduate yeah I was just a
few years older than her, and then go hang out
with my family and my sister for her graduation. Now,
my father was gone less than a year later, so
for him to spend time with him.
Speaker 4: Oh, shit, you regret this.
Speaker 3: Oh here's the thing. I kept saying, I gotta go.
Speaker 2: No, don't go.
Speaker 3: Now. My then girlfriend at the time was three sheets
to the wind, was with her friends and did not
want to go back to her apartment where her family
was hanging out. Like didn't even get an hotel. They
stayed at her apartment, right, and they her father had
a really strained relationship, so she didn't want to go
back there. I'm like, well, you don't have to go
back there, but I need to go. No, she kept
putting the waterworks on every time I tried to leave
to go. He okay, and my father that night goes, hey, listen,
you're a man. You can do what you want. And
look you, I don't have a problem with you staying
with your girlfriend, but you know, you might want to
reassess things at this point with her. And you know what,
I didn't reassess things for another two years until I
sat down with you and Tom Ulay and Sally Carpenter
were like, dude, yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: But the thing is like, so you start to regret it,
and you have the feelings in you, but you avoid
it because you don't want to.
Speaker 3: Deal with the consequences later. The angry the angry girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Who gives a ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah at the family, yeah right, the value family and
that right.
Speaker 3: But I was young and stupid, Yes, well I was
younger and stupid. Yeah, mid twenties. You gotta stop calling
yourself young. At certain point, I was younger and stupid.
Speaker 2: You like any like, yeah, what's even about that?
Speaker 3: Though? It was about it.
Speaker 2: Was that went away? Sucks.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm there. I'm a man, I understand.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of regrets from my twenties and thirties.
Speaker 2: I remember one of them, uh, driving through the parking lot.
It must have been marketplace by outside the dicks, and
some kids started chasing some other kids. And my wife
saw it and said something, and she's like, going, we
can't leave. You gotta do something. You gotta do something,
Like I go, what the fuck am I gonna do?
I got two kids and I'm driving a minivan, Like,
what the fuck him?
Speaker 4: I gonna do?
Speaker 2: You minivan merin Now. She's got me all fucking riled up, right,
and I'm going and she's like, yeah, but you get
and I whip into a parking lot, jump out and yell, hey,
what's going on here? And they all kind of scattered
and went their own way and nothing happened. I don't
know that I had anything to do with me, but
I'm like, what the fuck was I gonna do? I
had that one other time. I had a condo. Right,
I'm in bed, sound a fucking sleep. I get woken up.
There's a fight outside. This girl was living with her mind.
Mom went away. She had a party, okay, and some
drunk guy and I'm like, I'm gonna and I'm in
there in my boxers with the you know, half a thing.
I'm a dad, I got a kid. I'm like, what
do you want me to do? I'm gonna go down
there and fight some fucking drunk eighteen year old. No, no,
I'm not doing this. So I think I think eventually
I got so to the point like fine, fuck it.
So I went down and everybody was starting to leave
the party, so it didn't matter. But I mean, those
are the only two things I can think of it.
I'm going, I wonder if she's so in Belichick's here going,
they're talking shit about you, Bill, and you have a
culture and you're building a culture, and you know what
you're doing. Look our It's been talked about this week
that Belichick n unc explored the buyout.
Speaker 4: Yes, whether he could get.
Speaker 3: A dollars that he could go back to television and
do whatever, because he's not a great fit there.
Speaker 2: Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but I
would say that I'm sure he has a hard time relating,
yes to that. I there's all kinds of there's a
lot of raw rock stuff a coage, yeah, and he's
not a raw rock guy.
Speaker 4: We don't know what the truth is.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to meet with families, you know, he
wants to recruit guys that he wants to coach, but
he's not doing the recruiting. His guys are doing the recruiting.
It's like I'm the Belichick. It's like, well, yeah, but
that doesn't work in college. Very rarely can a college
coach crossover the NFL and be successful. Jimmy Johnson is one,
top Kaughlin is one, okay, and then you go to
the other side and be You can even say Doug
Maron in a way was successful, okay, and there are others,
and then cross over from pros to college and be
successful Jim Harball. Very rarely. Could people do both like Harball,
very rarely. It's so hard because it's a different game,
it's a different strategy, it's a different atmosphere. You're the
CEO when you go to college, like Nick Saban was
the CEO at Alabama. He was the most important guy,
not just in the university but at the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I know, yea, the pros.
Speaker 3: You still got an owner. You know, you still got it.
You still have somebody's still signing the check.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that.
Speaker 3: So it's it's a different environment. By the way, I
hope Bill sticks it out. I want to see what
next year looks like for you and next year.
Speaker 2: I hope he sticks it out. But it was so
weird to me that he's calling them and they go, yeah,
clearly he's watching cool.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, but there's been a lot of rumors this
past week, and I think maybe he wants to set
the record straight.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then fucking do it. Get on schedule yourself,
call Kirk kurbs Street and go can you get me on?
What do I have to do?
Speaker 3: I think that's what he's trying to do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but he's doing it in the moment. My
point is plant ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I keep talking about you.
Speaker 2: You know that. I'm thinking it was that that he
George every Man, excuse me, Dan every Man know it's
what I'm talking about. When he got the goods. You know,
my father used to say, when they got you by
the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
Speaker 4: I think it was Richard Nixon actually said that.
Speaker 2: And she's got him by the balls and he knows it,
and that's probably the best he's ever had.
Speaker 4: In his life. I don't know, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for that, but I will say that, men,
will you know. I mean wars have been over.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know the face that lots of a
thousand ships.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, religion's changed, right because somebody was getting laid
and this religion said you can't do that. Or he
wanted new vagina and new vagina wasn't allowed in his
real life.
Speaker 3: Because his wife couldn't get pregnant.
Speaker 2: I never it was. There were eight of them.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what it was that King James? Who
was it? Which witch king?
Speaker 2: It was Henry?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe an Hundry the eighth, I don't know, well,
whatever it was.
Speaker 2: My point is that all because of that, and here
we are again, and I think that maybe maybe I'm wrong,
maybe maybe it wasn't her.
Speaker 3: But I have a fac dick it suspicions.
Speaker 2: I do too. That's hurt his ear, saying you got
to do something right.
Speaker 3: By the way, I agree with Saban on the point that, like, look,
give him time bringing his guys. Sadam was six and four,
I think his first year at Alabama. They didn't turn
it around immediately. No, you gotta give a guy a
chance to build his own staff. Because North Carolina they
are not Miami. There, not Ohio State. They're not Michigan,
notre to day. North Carolina is known for basketball. Like
you said, yes, so is Duke. They're not great football programs.
Give him a chance.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing behind every great man. It's a really,
really wonderful woman. All Right, we'll take a moment. Uh.
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when wapping shine nick wan time, that's me. It's like
the devil inside. I'm just thinking about this. I always
just wanted to play. I'm finding that out about myself now.
It's a little late, but I mean I always wanted
to play. I loved playing.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think I've been drinking since I was fourteen years old.
I didn't like that I have a good time. I'd
rather bust balls with my friends than actually do my homework.
And yet I wanted to be the good student. I
wanted that. I wanted that recognition. I wanted to be
seen as a smart person and not some you know
idiot that I was seen as I think because I
just didn't do anything. And I go, what is that?
Is that a maturity issue?
Speaker 4: Is that a d D?
Speaker 3: As called life to look? You went into radio for
a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went into radio for a lot of weird reasons.
Speaker 3: YEA.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I'm sure you did. If
I broke down really what I why I did it?
There's two in particular reasons why I did it.
Speaker 3: What's the biggest reason it beats real work? Yeah, I'm
on the radio.
Speaker 2: No, I liked it. I liked it for to lift anything.
I liked it for. There were I think there were
two things. If I would be really honest, why I
just told a story about him.
Speaker 3: I love him absolutely.
Speaker 4: I talked.
Speaker 2: I talked about how I used to He would pre
record his shows like the last two hours, take a
couple of hits off.
Speaker 4: Of joint, and then come in and take an and
take a motherfucking.
Speaker 3: Nap, so we will walk in. Oh, I was just
resting my eyes. Yes, let's see.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you were afraid to go back in
there sometimes because he would have it all dark.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, yeah, it was like CEMP after dark,
but it's like two o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Answer why did I go into radio radio was two
things that I will say, and I hope it doesn't
come off offensively. But my dad took over everything in
my in my life like he I think there were
no matter what it was, he took over, whether it
was papers or projects or anything, he just he took
over that. So all my shit looked really good. But
you didn't really learn how to do it because he
did it. And he would always give you if you
can't dazzle with your brains, blinded with your bullshit, blah
blah blah blah. And I found the thing other than
sports that he didn't really get and so it was
completely on me. Now. I tried to say this that
is on the second go round the memorial service. I
was saying, like, because some woman stood up there and said,
he always wondered why you went.
Speaker 4: Into radio, you didn't really get it, And I was like.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm like he used to tell me when
when I hear a voice on the radio, I pushed
the button right or he would try to do things
to slightly discourage me without discourage me, but was also supportive,
like showed up at everything. I mean, I told a
story about on here. I did milo a podcast where
he stayed all night when I was entombed in concrete
and they didn't have security and he stayed and I
didn't know it. I didn't know it for a while after,
and when I found out, I was so humble and
I was like, that's the greatest act of love ever.
So I never had that but that was one of
the reasons, is he couldn't mess with it. And the
other was that I could be cooler than I was
in real life. And you know, having been molested does
fuck with your head a little bit. And I thought
about TV and stuff, but I just never had the confidence.
I didn't think I looked good enough or whatever it was,
and I was afraid to do it and this and that.
My mother was always like, ah, I should be in
all you know, our friends and my aunts and stuff,
like why would you not want to be on TV?
Speaker 4: Be? And I didn't.
Speaker 2: And I also didn't want to be on TV because
it was serious and he had to be serious. And
in radio, I didn't have to be serious. I could
be the rebel against all the suits. I could be
You know what really attracted me to radio was I
realized and it was more because of like don iMOS,
that the suits needed Imus to make their money. They
needed exactly what they didn't want to be right. They
didn't want to be that foul mouth guy and I
did a loud guy. Those were the type of people
they didn't really support, but they needed that in order
to build their business, and that was what I wanted
to be that guy.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to be the other guy.
Speaker 2: So those were the reasons I could be cooler than
I was because no one could see me right and
I could say things and I could do things, and
it was, you know, just me in there. And then
the other was that my dad had no control over it.
I didn't tell you what to do, so it was
awesome that it was always like the pushback. For me,
it was the devil inside and that is why. And
then as I got further and further into it, it
was about winning and doing well and having discussions and
being curious. And it became a lot of work, a
lot of work to do it really well, which I
think is part of the reason why some shows, you know,
in some stations ceased to exist because I don't think
people who were in there really know what it takes
to do it and do it well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I agree. I think there's some bosses that
don't realize what it takes to be the person behind
the microphone. I mean, I'll make that case clear. I
I personally know when I finally got my shot how
hard I had to work to do that. And I
knew what you felt like when you said, it's like
carrying a piano up the side side of a building,
you know, and nobody appreciates it. No, you know, it's
it's it's awful. It's like the most empty feeling in
the world when you're like, well I did, I did
everything I could and to no avail. You know, nothing
you did. I felt that like that my point in
my in my case.
Speaker 2: Well, I also had teams, and I knew who I
was working with and what their strengths were. I could
identify strengths really quickly, and then I would try to
play to those strainths. So I knew, sitting across from Tommy,
what was going to set Tommy off?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And when I say set them off, like set them
off with some of the funny, funny shiff you'd ever hear. Yeah,
And it was always we're always able to do that.
And then when I wound up doing another show, I
knew that my role would change, right, so I needed
to be more of that as your person, and so
I that's what I that's what I brought to it.
And and even there I figured out what would make
the other person react. Well, it was just it was
a it was a game. It was playing. That's all
it was. It was playing. There was nothing serious going on.
I wasn't curing cancer. I didn't have to worry about anything.
Speaker 3: The hard part, too, is like from when I sat
at your position, it's sitting across from somebody who took
themself himself a little too seriously. That was the hardest
thing to do. It's like, okay, yeah, you know, it's
it's very hard to work. Was he tried to like
be the fun so I called you up, give you
some play, try to be the funny guy. So I
try to be the funny guy. And then he tried
to be the funny guy, and it just became like
a chasing your tail.
Speaker 2: It was like, okay, I think at some point I.
Speaker 3: Ran into Russ Brandon one day, former CEO of The Bills,
at a party around the fourth of July, because how's
your show going? I go, that's pretty much over. I
knew they're gonna pull us, They're gonna pull the plug.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you know, plug get pulled for other reasons.
Somebody says something on a microphone that isn't very koshert
with things. But I always felt like, you know, there
were words you can't say on public airwaves, right, you
can say it here because it's not public airwaves. But
the FCC had these words you couldn't say. And I
always thought in some ways, because you really, what your
FCC license for radio station does is it gives it's
the you're representing the community, right, the reflecting the audience.
And I always thought like if certain words got out
in a fleeting moment, they sometimes didn't even tag it
for that, you know what I mean, in certain cases,
but everybody would be so panicked about it, and I'm like, boy,
that's just how people speak. That's kind of how things go.
I remember someone being in a car accident, like on
the phone going shit, I just got you.
Speaker 4: Know, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, they said shit or whatever, and you'd
have to delay it or get rid of it. And
I got suspended when we worked together because I said
I did too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys were really good at swearing and me
catching it.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, we knew we would kind of give you
the high signs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but and you had your own dump button and
I had one I did. The problem was one day
the dump button just didn't work. Yeah, who had to
pay for it?
Speaker 2: You and I did well, as my agent at the
time said, why would you say, even with those safety precautions,
and why would you say a word like fuck in
the vicinity of a microphone. It makes absolutely no sense
at all, Like he chewed my ass out because I
don't think I even told him. I guess, I think,
and then I recalled. But the Tigers were playing the Mariners.
It went fifteen innings and Dan Dickerson is is the
Detroit Tigers radio announcer, And now I feel bad for
him because I don't think that this was his his fault.
I think that a lot of times in these situations,
it's somebody else who's got to tell you what is happening, right,
I mean, okay, so this is Dan's producer is supposed
to be in your own. It sounds like, if you
hear it, he thinks they went to a commercial break.
Speaker 3: Is to understand, Dan and I'll be back to talk
about it after this on the Detroit Tigers radio network.
So that's the out, and I don't.
Speaker 2: Have to do a game game recap.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry three two.
Speaker 2: But it sounded like even if you're doing three two one,
it's usually their recording, not going live, Yes, but that
went out lin.
Speaker 3: I went out live and oh, by the way, but
in the middle of the night, there was a fifteen
inning game that was, after.
Speaker 2: All, the blue loss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't think get in trouble for that,
or if somebody gets in trouble for that, it shouldn't
be him, because that was after ten o'clock. On the way, Well, okay,
Detroit's in the Central time zone. If you swear on
a stream, it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant. It's in the
broadcast vicinity. And that's in Detroit, I believe. No, I
think they're Eastern time zone. So that was well after midnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so and frustrating, right, because right this has
been a battle in the ALDS.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the game five, It was a deciding
game of the series to go to the al to
go to the ALCS ALCS.
Speaker 4: Yes, American Championships and this was the divisional series.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this is the second round.
Speaker 2: Right, So anyway, I just thought, I love I want
to hear the passion. Yeah, I want to Baseball was tough.
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3: Baseball is so tough. And then you went fifteen innings
in a deciding game, which means your season's over right.
It means all those residual checks for the next seaton
round that you might have needed aren't coming in anymore,
because guess what you're You're seasons.
Speaker 2: Five hours of baseball.
Speaker 3: It's hard five hours of base after you just did
four games, after all the expectations of the Detroit Tigers
in the second half of the season, and all of
a sudden the month of August, they started going south.
Speaker 2: You know what to going south in a hurry. That
microphone did not catch the effort. What it caught was
the collective soul of the city of Detroit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just exiting. Yeah, that's what it was. It was
just like a divine you know.
Speaker 3: Might as well play against the win by Bob Seeker.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right, Yeah, it's poor.
Speaker 3: I felt terrible. I felt terrible. Why just just because
I know, like what the frustration is. It's the middle
of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you just did a game.
Speaker 3: You're frustrated by the way these guys like they're part
of the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they travel with it, they travel with.
Speaker 3: The team, they know the team, they feel for the team,
even if they're not their favorite team. They become and
by the way, if they win a World Series, they
get a ring too. Okay, and Detroit Tigers have not
won a World Series is nineteen eighty four. Okay, that's
longer than the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 2: That was Alan Trammell, right, right, Alan tram Jack Morris,
Jack Morris.
Speaker 4: Who else was on that team?
Speaker 2: Was that Sluke? Sparky Anderson was the was the manager,
Sparky Anderson.
Speaker 3: Sparky Anderson was manager. I don't know if Sparky Lole
was on that team. But the point is, though, is
that it's been a long time the city of Detroit,
and you know it's it's the middle of the night.
You're tired, you're cranky. You gotta fly back from Seattle
to Detroit. You gotta get now, you get your get
your travel plans in order.
Speaker 2: Oh fucking river, you're playing.
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on through your head and all
of a sudden, like you let that go. By the way,
I feel worse for the guy from the Phillies, but
that's another story was happening with the Phillies. So it's
Game five, it's in it's in extra innings as well,
and it's the Dodgers in the Phillies. It's a deciding game.
Bases are loaded, two outs. I don't remember who the
hitter was, and I don't remember the pictures name it.
Think it is O Ryan something, and this is he's
a young pitcher now in baseball. If the third out
is a force out or a pop out, any run
that crosses the plate doesn't score. It doesn't matter. Okay,
if it's a force out, doesn't matter. So the ball
gets hit back to the mound and the kid from
thirds taken off for home. He drops the ball, picks
it back up, sees the kid running for home. So,
but he could have just thrown it the first, gotten
the third out gone in the next inning, Panics. The
Panics sees the kid run for home, throws the ball
over the catcher's head and the series ends.
Speaker 2: Who all he had to do was.
Speaker 3: Throw it the first and it would have gone on
in the next inning.
Speaker 2: Oh, you are hated in the city of Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: They were consoling that kid in the dugout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Philly, there are those sports fans.
Speaker 3: They're insane. By the way. That same night, the Eagles
had lost to the Giants. You lose to the Giants,
you get kicked out of the NFL.
Speaker 2: Have you watched the Have you watched.
Speaker 4: Uh what is it on Hulu? Based on Chad Powers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the first episode. I loved it. Well, okay,
it's I'm not saying it's Emmy winning, but it's.
Speaker 2: I watched the first three episode, like, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: It's the kid is in the rose ball the premise
and he's running and he drops the ball thinking he's
in the end.
Speaker 3: Zone like De Mercado for the for the Cardinals, like
Donnie and and I Mitchell two weeks ago for the Colts.
Speaker 2: Was it all miss they were playing?
Speaker 3: No, it was it was it was Oregon, and I
think it was Alabama.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, they scoop it up and run it back and
I go, oh, Georgia, it was George.
Speaker 3: Oh Georgie.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and I go, how do they even film
these scenes because it looks so real?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it looks so.
Speaker 2: Real, like and they go, all right, we need a
guy tackle that a bounds here, and they it's like
it just happens.
Speaker 3: He fumbles the ball going into the end zone.
Speaker 2: He didn't even fumble it. He just drop it because
he's show voting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that there's the kid in the in the
wheelchair and his father sitting there. He's supposed to, like,
you know, spend time, take a picture with them, and
he goes to cha, you dropped the ball. You dropped
the ball. He ends up, like you know, punching the
dad who knocks the kid in the wheelchair over. It
goes viral. This guy gets canceled, and.
Speaker 2: Then eight years later the kid dies and that video
re emerges. Yes, all right, well we'll take a moment.
The Buffalo Bills have a Monday night game and this
is going to be dropping on a Monday and we'll
get your thoughts. Some players out with injury. Yep, oh oh,
I told you, did not tell you? And I don't
think uh Josh Allen has ever played in Atlanta at
Mercedes ben Stadium.
Speaker 4: I don't believe he's.
Speaker 3: No, there's only two stadiums he hasn't played, and that's
one of them.
Speaker 4: All right, Well that'll be uh, they'll pop his cherry,
you know what.
Speaker 2: The other one is the other stadium that Josh Allen
has not played in.
Speaker 3: They'll be hosting the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's like the sun Devil somewhere in Arizona.
Speaker 3: No, No, you're close San Francisco. Oh really, because if
you remember that year, they were supposed to play the
Niners on the road and they had the wildfires, so
they had to move the game to Arizona. That's why
you thought Arizona. Yeah, because that game was actually supposed
to be played in San Francisco. They moved to Arizona.
Speaker 4: Gotcha?
Speaker 2: All right, we will take a moment and get Dan's thoughts.
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Speaker 3: It seems, that yesterday.
Speaker 2: But it was. Long, ago jane it.
Speaker 3: Was love this Was the queen.
Speaker 8: On neck.
Speaker 2: There the Dog. MISS radio i always loved.
Speaker 4: Great lyrics jane.
Speaker 2: Was great she Was the queen Of.
Speaker 10: My, knights yeah He took he took a job after
his first three records flopped and his father's, AUTOMOTIVE place
i don't know if it was what, company was and
after six months of that He was he.
Speaker 3: Hated it so MUCH because i gotta get back to,
write music and that's when he started writing all of
his hits that we all know and. Love today he
just need. A, break yeah maybe that's what. It was
by my family guy does a parody of this song.
We go you know this song was written right secrets
got to use the bathroom and he's on. The tour
plus he's got to take a, number two so he
sticks his butt out the window and he feels it
going against. The, wigs hey give. My notebook it's.
Speaker 2: So stupid it. Is stupid it is. So stupid it's.
Speaker 3: Unbelievably stupid, somebody had somebody went through all the mental
gymnastics to write that into a. Television show are you.
Speaker 2: Gonna watch The the? BRUCE movie i.
Speaker 3: Want to my wife does not why you knows as
much as she says she's. A musician she she doesn't,
like documentary she doesn't. Like, BIOPICS really i want to
See the. Bruce, movie, yeah well there's a lot OF
movies i want to see that you don't want. To see, i'm,
like okay well then we'll. Trade off I'll watch wicked.
Speaker 2: With you you make it sound like so.
Speaker 4: MUCH fun i love my.
Speaker 3: Wife dearly but when it comes to, the, remote like here's.
The thing you'll watch every football game, with me but
there is. A payoff there's a trade. Off somewhere what's
the trade off the rest of, the year the rest
of the days of.
Speaker 2: The week what do you mean you gotta Watch blue
bloods or whatever that. Show is it's.
Speaker 3: A compromise everything's. A compromise she, goes show hand me
the remote and go whatever you want. To watch but
there's the caveat we have to agree, to. It, Right
yeah so last night was like the FIRST night i
actually because she was HOME watching tv, all day because
you watch whatever. You WANT so i was flipping back
and forth between. Four games there Was THE michigan, usc
game there was The the. Georgia game there Was the
sabers And. The bruins sabers finally scored for the first
time in two games. This season and then there Was
the brewers And the. CUBS playing i flipping. Between, Those
yeah brewers are. Moving on they're the best team. In, baseball, YEAH.
Speaker 2: Yeah i THINK they're i think.
Speaker 4: Their logo is maybe the. Coolest logo what it.
Speaker 3: Is love it took me fifteen years to realize what
it was it's ann in the shape of a of. A,
glove YEAH and I never i. Never realized and by,
the way for in, the nineties they got rid of.
It entirely oh. They did they got rid of the
logo and then nearly two Thousands, of hey you, know
what that was a. Classic logan why don't you bring?
Speaker 2: That back.
Speaker 3: Robbie A former newark pilot. No, ship yes really played
For the. Newark pilots, really interesting is that back When
Like New York pen.
Speaker 2: League, existed yeah and now we DON'T have I don't
i don't know what's happening in. The world everything's getting
cut and we're.
Speaker 4: Trimming back, of course we're losing this more and more.
Speaker 2: AND stuff i.
Speaker 4: Don't know they worked at a deal In The.
Speaker 2: Middle, east uh we'll see these great deal COULD be,
I mean i. Don't know, look great the people are
going back to. THEIR families i think that's a. Nice
THING and i would say it's fragile in. THIS fragile
i think it's fragile some moving PARTS that i don't. Necessarily,
like yeah but that's part of.
Speaker 3: Every deal.
Speaker 2: It's FRAGILE so I and i hope THAT it i hope.
Speaker 3: It, stays yeah but give the guy. The credit man worked. It,
out sure there's some people don't want to. Do that, it's, like,
guys guys, come on where are, We Heading?
Speaker 2: Buffalo bills are you worried about? This game are you
Worried about.
Speaker 3: I'm concerned About The. Atlanta falcons WHY because i have
a Feeling That michael pennock is gonna take off and
run quite. A bit they're not gonna be able to.
Stop them like he's gonna drop back. And throw they're
gonna cover. The receivers he can't throw the ball beyond ten,
fifteen yards just, not yet not like. You know But
the bills have this tendency when they don't get to,
the quarterback then he'll take off, and run and he'll
get those underneath yards and chunks and get those first
downs and get down. The field they have a stud
Receiver In, drake london and they got a heck of
a running Back Of. John robinson bills. Can't Stout the
bills actually did a heck of a. Job defensively give
them credit Against the patriots, stopping them, you know their
passing game. Last WEEK but, i mean guys are Banged
Up damar hamlin's pretty much done As A buffalo bill.
Speaker 2: Right, now yeah not that he had any impact. At,
all no he's been placed on. Injury RESERVE. T j
sanders is. On there your first.
Speaker 3: Three draft picks this year have either been PLACED on
ir or have it. Contributed whatsoever, mulano's hurt it's he
wasn't PLACED. On irs it sounds like he could, come
back But at olive may. Play tonight but oh. My goodness,
you know they invested all this money. In defense they
got a couple of guys coming back after suspension after the,
bye week which. Is huge let's see what they. Do
though let's see they've been able to practice the last couple.
Of weeks they'll be able to come back off suspension
in another week. Or so let's see what they could
do because they spend all this money on defense and
they failed To Get josh allen more help. On offense by,
The Way dalton kincaid is, also hurt and he's been
your best offensive target. This year, SO yeah i. AM
concerned i am concerned About The buffalo bills Because the
patriots beat them and now that division is going to
be a two. Team race it's not just That the
bills are just, gonna coast and even if, they do
you got to get that number one seed and get
that bye week in. The playoffs that's. The goal we
already know, the division we think is going to be.
A formality but what if. It isn't what if these injuries,
pile up because that defense is only gonna get worse because.
Speaker 8: Of.
Speaker 2: Injuries period this is what we thought maybe last season
was going. To, be, like yes, we're surprised well a. Little,
BIT no, I mean i really thought last season was
Gonna be we thought last season was a real rebuild.
Speaker 3: SORT of i thought it was gonna be an eleven
and five or eleven and six type. OF season i
did not think they would go thirteen and four with
the last game. Not, COUNTING okay i did not think
that because there was a lot. Of hiccups they lost their,
Top Receiver, stefan diggs They traded, hi away it was
time for To, go, yeah okay who do you replace
your biggest? Gun, with well they haven't right and now
they still have. It Right And josh palmer's a, nice
fit but he's not. The Guy And, kean coleman, you
know he was asked about the coaches discipline this, past
week and, he said, you know there's some THINGS that
i gotta work on. And, stuff, okay great go catch.
The ball go catch, the ball don't fumble. The ball catch.
Speaker 2: The, BALL well i THINK that i think they're. GONNA
win i think THEY'RE gonna i think THIS is.
Speaker 4: I think they're.
Speaker 3: GONNA win i don't THINK it's i don't think it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be, CAKEWALK well, I mean i think we're. GONNA see
i think they're gonna come out. OF this i think
the season overall will.
Speaker 4: Be fine it's.
Speaker 2: The playoffs it's.
Speaker 3: The, playoffs yeah well that's that's the. Whole thing.
Speaker 2: But you build your. Every team, every sport every sport
has that one team they can't.
Speaker 4: Get PAST and i would Say It's kansas.
Speaker 2: City for For, the, bills right an other Team. Jar
yes and of COURSE whenever i, GET bored i have
to rewatch The, last DANCE and i AND and i
just love IT and i rewatch IT and. I do i.
LOVE it i love The. Fucking jordans god. Damn win
he willing, to win willing. To win he was.
Speaker 3: A killer he was he had the. Killer instinct but.
Speaker 2: It's like this, whole thing and and and you're you're,
Watching this and they started to build their team sort
of around him To. Beat detroit they all went when
they lost that The Time.
Speaker 3: Harry kross who gets no credit in, that documentary put
the pieces. In place he.
Speaker 2: Gets a lot, of credit they say all the time
he put the.
Speaker 3: Team, together Yeah but jordan doesn't want to give. Any
credit jordan's. Not mine it Was all jordan In PHIL.
Speaker 2: No, I think, i mean because he even, talked about you,
Know what they went and got me some, the pieces,
The horses Like Even magic, johnson goes once he has,
the horses he's gonna.
Speaker 4: Be unstoppable.
Speaker 2: But in that they of like they all went back,
that summer they went in and started lifting to.
Speaker 4: Beat.
Speaker 2: This team and he kind, of go What is buffalo
doing to beat? THIS team i mean the thirteen to.
Second game gabriel was. A, stud.
Speaker 3: Yes and Now gave davis Where is by, the way
he's on the. Practice squad yeah he's still he's still recovering.
From injury, but yeah they're not gonna pull him off.
The practice by, the way he is not like A
considered He's not He And jordan Poyer And jordan phillips
are not true practice. Squad players they are established veterans
who are hanging out of the practice squad in the
event that they. Are needed, they're like. It's basic in
the Case, of phillips in the case, of player it's
like semi retirement type, of jobs don't. You want in
the Case Of, gabe davis he's rehabbing to get back on.
Speaker 2: The, field yeah To Play. Gabe, david look you already had.
That connection He's A jason.
Speaker 3: Vie With the jacksonville and he Got. Hurt gape the
big Thing About. Gabe Davis gabe davis was awesome as.
A four he's not a. He's not but when they
made him, at two pressure got. To him he's not,
a two he's. A four if you got to keep
him as, a four he's fantastic as, a receiver he's
not a. Number one he's not a. Number two and
we all Know that shakira is. Your three he's your.
Slot guy could do all, that stuff but he could be.
A four he could be, A four but you don't
want to have to come. To that they already have a
logjam of receivers who can't. Play Anyway curtis samuel's hurt. Again, too. Wow,
shocker okay your, best receiver your, ex receiver your number
One Is. Keyank coleman well he hasn't shown that you're
supposedly your most talented Receiver Is, shakir okay but he's
a slot guy That Least josh Palmer In. Elijah MOORE
so i mean, They're. Okay paul he's been kind of
a letdown so far. This year but, then again you're
only as good as your, quarterback's, Targets right so are
they not getting open Or is josh not getting them?
THE ball i think they're not.
Speaker 2: Getting open as, You're talking i'm thinking of this is
where we talked. About earlier i'm thinking how nice it
would be to just wrap up the podcast a little,
bit here walk across, the can sit down With. The
Guinness watched Miami And san diego or something, like THAT
and i.
Speaker 3: Still Call Them. San diego they've been for.
Speaker 2: TEN years i, STILL like i.
Speaker 3: Do, TOO no i.
Speaker 2: Do, Too yeah but, Either way i'm, just saying like
that's the battle that goes on inside.
Speaker 3: My, YEAH mind i got things, to DO but i want.
Speaker 4: WATCH football i JUST.
Speaker 2: Know i want to. HANG out i just want to
THERE'S a i don't want to deal.
Speaker 3: With it there's a Very clever low's commercial that Doesn't Involve.
Speaker 2: Josh AMMON did i have in? My life there is
a Very.
Speaker 3: Clever low's commercial that does Not Involve. Josh, allen yes
and involves Got the bills could have had if they
had just not traded that pick in twenty twenty and waited,
for Him justin jefferson and just Earn. Your sunday in,
other words They're going they're Going to Low's. On saturday
do you know? The work this Is A sunday you
could sit back.
Speaker 2: And watch rerescott right name? In, college yeah, all right
he Goes what.
Speaker 3: But the point is though earn. YOUR sudden i.
Speaker 2: Got it i'm earning everything.
Speaker 3: Good good that's, the reward. Go back it's the reward
is not. The goal the goal is. The goal the
accomplishment is. The goal the reward is what you give yourself.
Speaker 2: For IT but i just wanted to. COME easy i
don't want to have to we, All, DO billy i don't.
Speaker 4: WANT to i don't want to do.
Speaker 2: THAT all i Want the bills to. Win, Easily yeah.
Speaker 3: There's something i've always, said this when you watch the,
last dance who's the champion in, The room who's who's,
The champion who's the champion of, The bulls who's? The
champ who's the guy that lift that brought everybody to
the championship and won. It all who's the guy in
the room that nobody wanted? To disappoint who's The Most. Michael,
jordan yes It, wasn't rodman It Wasn't, jerry house It Wasn't.
Phil Jackson phil jackson got everybody to play into. Each, other,
yes Yes but jordan was. The champion who's champion Of The?
Buffalo bills, Right.
Speaker 4: Now i'm, Gonna Say.
Speaker 2: JOSH allen i want to Believe It's, josh ALLEN but i.
Speaker 4: DON'T know i, Don't KNOW but, I mean.
Speaker 3: I've yet To see josh pull a Pull a brady
Or a manning, and, go guys what the eff are we?
Doing here you never.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 3: It now i'm not saying, he's wrong but like for
crying out LOUD and, i, said well you don't see
that from the you know, the? CHIEF right i think
it's three and. A half, hang on let me let
me we talk we talked about.
Speaker 4: With, juice yeah it's only three and. A, HALF.
Speaker 3: No i can't be it's got to be higher. Than that,
HOLD on i got it, right here.
Speaker 4: All set danny?
Speaker 3: The, BETTER no i just, just, YEAH okay i, GOT
yeah i got. A, problem yeah three and. A half that,
was right three and. A half bills by three and. A, Half.
Speaker 4: Oh bills by three and.
Speaker 2: A half would YOU think, i, Said no i've got
it at that.
Speaker 3: Means on a?
Speaker 2: Neutral, field, yeah well, HANG ON i i haven't The
spread buffalo's favored by four and a half to win
by more than four and a.
Speaker 3: Half, points okay so it's between three and a half
and four and. A, half yeah so my fandel.
Speaker 2: Three and A half i'm Looking, at yeah and then
some sources have a spread of five and a half
with the line. Shifting slightly total over under is fifty
to fifty and. A, half, okay yeah twenty and. Thirties
score it's a bit of, a gap but it is
a bit of, a gap and you have to remember
the team gets three points for playing.
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Speaker 2: Somewhere between Six and i'm going to, say eight Almost.
Speaker 3: In FanDuel that Means the bills are barely a. Point
favorite it's. Rickham game that's. Saying something you're Playing, the
falcons That.
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Speaker 3: The eagles but by, the way did you watch?
Speaker 2: THAT game i.
Speaker 3: Did not oh, my goodness?
Speaker 4: What game Did The eagles?
Speaker 3: Giants?
Speaker 2: Game OH yeah? I? Did WOW yeah? I did? Yeah
Did and juice. Called it he just said that they were.
Going Down the eagles, get called not necessarily To, the
giants but just that their season was going to be
great going forwards and it.
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YouTube yes yes. He Is, Who billy who's Coming? To
buffalo who's Coming? To Buffalo?
Speaker 2: To buffalo who's Coming?
Speaker 8: To?
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happy oh hold?
Speaker 3: Of? That nice now would it? Be inviting stefan takes two? Point,
zero maybe but you, know what let's. Take it i'll
take a chance.
Speaker 2: Copy.
Speaker 3: Your whipping but you bring all the books. You want
he reads books on the sidelines. And stuff bring all
the books.
Speaker 2: You want.
Speaker 3: Study hard you could Come. To buffalo i'll give you
next year's first round Pick because i'll get YOU because
i guess what your general managerrate. Using it, oh god
the last two bills drafts have been do you know a?
Speaker 2: Mass bill.
Speaker 3: It's. So hard other people can figure. It out though.
Speaker 2: They can't they.
Speaker 3: GET lucky i have. A theory, oh boy it's not
the general manager picking, the tab pulling, the table it's the. Head.
Speaker 4: COACH yeah i know you.
Speaker 2: Say that greg.
Speaker 3: Denies that.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 2: THE theory i like, YOUR syria i like. Your thoughts
bill's will win? By four, all right we're getting that's
too tight.
Speaker 10: FOR me i know it's tight, for me, Too TIGHT
but i have a taken my medicine.
Speaker 2: Bill.
Speaker 3: Momentum, today bill go home and build some Momentum For,
dan burrillo.
Speaker 2: Who will Be, back wednesday and We'll have God willing
yes Well for. Thursday show but we'll have juice and
We'll have Peter.
Speaker 4: On, Peter yeah.
Speaker 3: I'll back if they lose, This game peter's gonna have.
Speaker 2: A meltdown i can't wait. For that that makes for.
Good pod all Right. For Dan, i'm Bill and i'm
going should check things off. My list, All Right, guinness,
football McConnery's they're all on. The list i'm, kidding you
will see.
Speaker 4: You tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Lead a looking powder cattle. LAGER team a sea plays
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