WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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So 21 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:05.319 what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork 22 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:06.560 dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:59.560 out here? Did you see what it was? It enough 33 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.439 out here? Look, I'm new to one doowing now and 34 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:08.800 I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.680 hit the fuddy out here? What quin I'm out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.520 It's thought of a bench about sixty nine. I don't 37 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:16.800 know easy, I'm out there. 38 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.759 Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks with welcome 39 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.479 our guest to the show. It is John from Ohio. 40 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:23.439 Welcome to the show man. 41 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:24.960 Hey, thanks for having me. 42 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.439 Brian, I have been looking forward to this man. We 43 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:31.280 met three or four years ago. I was a first 44 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:34.759 time vendor up at the Gatlinburg conference. Next to you 45 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.520 guys in one of the vendor spots. We became fast friends, 46 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.560 had a great time that weekend, and I've seen you 47 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.439 guys out so many times. We'll certainly talk about some 48 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:45.319 of that stuff before we get out of here, but 49 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.639 you're here to share an experience. But I want to 50 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:50.840 start where I start with most people. What in the 51 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.240 world got you interested in the subject of Bigfoot to 52 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:53.680 begin with? 53 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.199 There's a couple of pieces to that. Obviously. You can 54 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:02.120 see behind me. This is my Big flo slash atari 55 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.840 slash comic book slash Godzillas. This is the Man Cave, 56 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.840 but it's primarily Bigfoot. You can see the Steve Austin 57 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:14.319 Bigfoot right there behind me. I'm a gen X kid 58 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.719 born in nineteen seventy. I have so much love for 59 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.759 my mom. She left us a year and a half ago. 60 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.319 My mom loves science fiction, so I grew up watching 61 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.639 In Search of Star Trek reruns six million dollars Man 62 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.879 Space nineteen ninety nine. If it was in the seventies, 63 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:37.280 we were watching it. My mom loved it. That was 64 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.919 must watch TV back then. Whatever was on it was 65 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:43.199 what you were watching. That's why somebody that was there 66 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.759 traumatized by Heath Hall and The Lord's Welk Show because 67 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.000 that was what you were watching on Saturdays. Man, it 68 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.520 was terrible, but obviously six million dollars. Man the two 69 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.479 part Bigfoot episodes the most popular episodes they ever had. 70 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.280 That's why they had him back on the show so 71 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.159 many times. They had him on The Bonic Woman, A 72 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.800 big Foot and Wild Boy. That was a Saturday morning 73 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.800 show that a lot of people have never heard of, 74 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:15.759 which was just bonkers. It was like a Tarzan kind 75 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.720 of thing. Young Boy, it gets rescued by Bigfoot. So 76 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:21.519 I was watching all that stuff growing up and in 77 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.639 search of certainly as a huge part. Plus we got 78 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.040 to see a legend of Boding Creek sasquatched the legend 79 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.319 of Bigfoot. Here in Ohio and especially where we're at 80 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.600 in east central Ohio is what's called but Shockton is 81 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:40.000 basically the last county on the left in the Appalachian Area. 82 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.959 Like when you look at a map of Appalachia, Shockton 83 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.720 is like right here on the left. So we're almost 84 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.079 perfectly in between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, like one hundred miles 85 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.319 if you draw like a right angle. We used to 86 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:55.639 get Channel forty three out of Cleveland. There was a 87 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.519 guy named SuperHost on Saturday, and he would play these 88 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.199 godzill movies, Three Stooges, and sometimes you'd see these Bigfoot, 89 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.120 Legend of Boggie Creek, Sasquatch, the Legend of Bigfoot, and 90 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.879 then Big Chuck. Little John was also out of Cleveland 91 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.759 on Friday nights and they would play those kind of 92 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.079 movies too. So growing up, we got to see a 93 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.600 lot of stuff. And like I said, it was my CTV, 94 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:20.560 so you had to watch it a little lot to 95 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:23.319 see that stuff over and over again, but we did. 96 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.160 So that got me into all the science fiction, Bigfoot 97 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.639 and all that. I guess I shouldn't leave out the 98 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.240 books either. We had books in the elementary school. I've 99 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:35.040 got some of them that we sell on the table 100 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.560 that you see about Bigfoot, Asian aliens, all the monsters, 101 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:41.639 all that stuff. You get to check it out at 102 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.839 the school library. And I'd wear those books out by myself. 103 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.399 We had a lot of stuff, what of good stuff. 104 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.480 I too, am a gen xer and I grew up 105 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.240 with all of those amazing shows that you're talking about 106 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.360 and the books. NeSSI was my first love. The lockness Monster. 107 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.399 It was must have books. You get the little library 108 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.360 that would come in and you could go to the 109 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.720 books sale. I love that stuff. That's where I fell 110 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.160 in love with NeSSI and the other cryptids. That being said, 111 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.160 was it one of those things that drove you out 112 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.360 into the woods to look for these things? Did you 113 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.959 want to become a researcher and find out more about 114 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.279 them or did you stumble into your experiences while you 115 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:20.240 were doing other things. 116 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.800 The first experience I had I stumbled into it again 117 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.240 growing up in the seventies was go outside and play 118 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.279 with a stick. You made your own fun. It's right 119 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.040 here on the east side of Kashaktan, which from where 120 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.360 we live right now. My encounter where it happens not 121 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.879 even a mile from my house up on this hillside 122 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.360 right here. All that land going out to the east 123 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.240 was called Old Man McCoy's Hill is what we called now. Yeah, 124 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:52.759 there's several rolling hills and valleys back in there. There's 125 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:55.160 three ponds, and that's what we went out there. We 126 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:57.600 went up there for two reasons. We went out there 127 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.279 to fish. Old Man McCoy he had a four to ten. 128 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.879 He'd load all his shells up with rock salt, and 129 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.319 he would shoot at you with the rock salt. He 130 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.639 was a mean old man. The story was two of 131 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.160 his boys died up there. One of them drowned in 132 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.160 one of the ponds, and then the other one was 133 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.079 killed in a really bad rain store and my lightning 134 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.040 strike hit a tree and it fell on him. That 135 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.199 was the stories that we were told. So we would 136 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.160 go up there and play cat and mouse with him, 137 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.519 plus we'd go fishing. My first encounter, we were heading 138 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:31.199 up that way. To get up there, you go through 139 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.680 these line of houses that are up on this hill. 140 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.959 We'd cut right through their yard, go up into the woods, 141 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.839 get on the two track. It ran like in a 142 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.279 almost like a half of you up to the top 143 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.560 of the hill. You had to be careful because he'd 144 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.360 come down that way sometimes. He had an old beat 145 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.160 up I think it was a green truck or red truck. 146 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.639 So we're walking up the two track. It was me 147 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.639 and my friend. My buddy's a little older than me. 148 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.639 He was thirteen, I was nine. We're going up through there. 149 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:05.560 We got our fish and stuff. Also, I have to 150 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.639 point out this Caveat at the time, we were heavily 151 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.480 influenced by Marvel Comics. We thought we were vigilanties, so 152 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:18.560 we occasionally had these. If you remember the character Iron 153 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.160 Fist from the comic books, he had this mask that 154 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.279 just had his eyes and it would wrap around your 155 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.040 head like a bandana. So we had a couple of those. 156 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.639 We didn't o man that day, but we thought we 157 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:35.600 were vigilanti superheroes. We're walking up this two track, and 158 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.879 the way I remember it, the way I always explained 159 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.759 it was, it seemed to be the woods up to 160 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:44.480 the right of me just exploded with noise. All these 161 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:47.519 trees start shaking. Now when I say trees, these are saplings. 162 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.759 They weren't shaking giant oak trees or anything. I looked 163 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.759 up to the right. The sun is back behind that, 164 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.399 so all I can see is shadow ish. I see 165 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:04.879 the con head down to these huge shoulders. That's all 166 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.120 I remember as far as the encounter goes. We both 167 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.000 just booked it back down the two track. But of 168 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.720 course we get down so far and we decided to 169 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.200 jump off the side of the two track. We decided 170 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.559 we were going to run some fishing line across the 171 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.600 trail because we're going to trip him if he comes 172 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:25.519 after us. We're going to trip him, and we both 173 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:29.000 got like little buck knives with us. Poor mister Bigfoot. 174 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:33.639 We were plot is demies already. I don't remember if 175 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.240 the creature made a noise at all. It's possible, but 176 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.480 I don't recall that. Of course, this is quite a 177 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:45.480 long time ago. I don't remember a smell. I don't 178 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:49.120 remember smelling anything. It smell is a pretty powerful reminder 179 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.120 you usually things like that were stuck with. But all 180 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.360 I remember is, like I said, we were bebopping up 181 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.159 through there. All of a sudden we saw it took 182 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:00.399 off run and I think it was about ten seconds maybe, 183 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:02.399 if that long, I think it was right after we 184 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:06.159 got done stretching the fishing line across the trail. We 185 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.000 looked at each other, let's get the hell out of 186 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.000 here and off the hill. We were booking, and we 187 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.759 ran all the way back down. People probably thought we 188 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.080 were up something, because running through their yard, down over 189 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.919 the hill, and then all the way down to Wilson Avenue, 190 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:21.879 it's a little bit of a trip. So that's out 191 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.039 the first encounter went. I got home and dropped my stuff. 192 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:28.639 I went up to my buddy's house. He lived up 193 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.960 the street, I told him about it, and he made 194 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:33.799 fun of me. That was the first thing I think, 195 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:36.039 but it's not real. And then of course he goes 196 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:40.320 on to tell everybody I saw one. I'm getting tortured, 197 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.519 I'm getting made fun of it. Occasionally through school people 198 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:47.080 would say, yeah, won't you ask truly he saw a 199 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.000 big boot one time, because I would tell people every 200 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.159 now and then about it. There's a couple more caveats too, 201 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.519 but the one I want to talk about real quick 202 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.799 before I go off on wherever I'll end up going. 203 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.240 And I've been together now for almost twelve years. Right 204 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.360 after we got together, I don't know if we were 205 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:07.279 married yet, but we'd been together for a little bit. 206 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.639 The county fair came around and I saw my buddy 207 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.000 that was there with me that day, and I didn't 208 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.679 have any bigfoot shirt on or nothing. I wasn't doing 209 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.559 this yet. Full disclosure. I've been in recovery now for 210 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:23.840 fifteen years, and I've found that talking to people and 211 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.960 like minds, it's cathartic. It's good for your soul. If 212 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.240 you have an encounter, if you have something that's happened 213 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:30.759 to you, you need to talk about it. You need 214 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.960 to get it out there in the open. So I 215 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.279 saw him at the fair and I told Beth, I said, 216 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.159 will you wait for me right here? I will go 217 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.039 ask him something. And I walked over to him and 218 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.480 I said, Hey, do you remember that? And this is 219 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.679 all I said, Tom, do you remember that day up 220 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.080 on old man McCoy's hill. Now we were on that 221 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.559 hill hundreds of times, so I didn't ask him that 222 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.320 day when we saw the bigfoot? I said, do you 223 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.600 remember that day we were up from old men McCoy's hill. 224 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:59.720 He didn't skip a beat, he said, John, it was 225 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.320 a big It blew me away because, like I said, 226 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.120 he's a little older than I was, so he would 227 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.200 have a better recollection. Plus he didn't destroy his ma 228 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.519 brain cells. This I did in my twenties and thirties 229 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.279 with heavy duty partying. That was really cool to get 230 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:17.720 some reassurance like that, because as we get older, our 231 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.879 memories do change. I know this. It's part of my 232 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.120 job is to understand psychology a little bit. It's short 233 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.320 and sweet. That's what happened. It's one of those things 234 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.960 that I never thought would ever happened. Never occurred to 235 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.120 me it would. I just did the little show with 236 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.399 a friend. I met him on Twitter. He doesn't podcast. 237 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:42.559 Billy Delicious is his name, call him Doc Strange. But 238 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.559 we were talking about the movie The Mysterious Monsters, the 239 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.039 one that Peter Graves did in nineteen seventy five. And 240 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.159 in that movie there's a map and it shows the 241 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.279 Bigfoot sightings, how many had been in each state. In 242 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.960 the seventies, all you ever heard was California, Oregon, Washington, 243 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:06.000 and even British Columbia. You never heard of Bigfoot until 244 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.840 Boggy Creek. Really you never heard of anything ever east 245 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.759 of the Rockies. But there's a little map on there. 246 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:17.399 It shows eight sidings in Ohio in seventy five. So 247 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:21.759 when I saw that, I remember going, hey, that was 248 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.200 some validation too. See there's been other sidings in Ohio. 249 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:27.840 Like said, I was a young kid. I didn't have 250 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.440 no idea how to do research or try to find 251 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.600 if other people had been seeing things in Ohio or 252 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.480 anything like that. You can just stumble across that stuff. 253 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.960 Like I said, that was some good validation. Now to 254 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:46.080 add to this, I'm going to jump forward to nineteen 255 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.279 eighty seven, so about eight years, eight years and about 256 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:53.039 two miles as the crow flies out to one of 257 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.960 the valleys that I said that when you go out 258 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.000 east of Kashocktan, there's just hills and valleys, hills and 259 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.720 valleys all the way out to a little town called 260 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.159 west If. Yet there's a place out there. We called 261 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.799 it the Valley at Forever in high school because we 262 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.679 used to go out there and we'd have huge bonfires 263 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.639 and parties and there was a place to meet. It 264 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.320 was a good location. It was out of town enough 265 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.159 to where the cops would leave a salon for the 266 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.080 most part until they found out about it. Of course 267 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.600 they got to ruin everything anyways. So we were out 268 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.759 there one day. It was just me, and it was 269 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.399 about this time of the year because my one buddy 270 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.120 had not left for school yet. Just about everybody else 271 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.200 had gone off to college. I was starting my senior 272 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.480 year and there was four of us out there. We 273 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.480 had two vehicles. So we're out there and we were 274 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:42.960 having a couple of years and from the back of 275 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.919 the valley, this valley is shaped basically like a bowl, 276 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.840 and it's got trees rimmed around all the way around 277 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.240 the top of it, so it's a bowl that goes up. 278 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.279 It's all grass down here, and then it goes up 279 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.519 and then there's a tree line all the way around it. 280 00:14:58.159 --> 00:14:59.879 It's really cool. It's kind of like an amphitheater. 281 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.759 And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll 282 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.679 be right back after these messages. 283 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.200 So from the back of the valley we hear this 284 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.759 god awful catterwall and we were all just what is that. 285 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:21.399 My brother famously told me it was a sick cow. 286 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.399 We're shooking up by this, but we're still just jalling, 287 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.120 listening to some music. And next thing we know. So 288 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.879 if you think about a clock, so the back of 289 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.679 the valley's twelve o'clock. Next thing, about two o'clock, here 290 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.039 comes this noise again. It's moving closer to us. We're 291 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.559 over here at about three o'clock as far as the 292 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.600 clock goes, so it makes another noise, but it's not 293 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:48.960 coming out of the tree line. Whatever it is is 294 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:51.840 standing in the tree line. We don't see anything moving, 295 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:55.879 we don't hear anything moving, but this thing's moving closer 296 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:59.000 to us. And as it's moving closer to us, we're 297 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.639 all grouping closer together. So then the next time, about 298 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:08.240 ten minutes later, it lets off a really nice loud reverberating, 299 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.519 and it's really getting close to up the hill from us. 300 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.360 So now we're all grouped closer together. And I remember, 301 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.120 I don't know if I said it or someone else 302 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.080 said it, that bang screams from the top of this hill. 303 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:22.320 We're getting the heck out of here. It wasn't a 304 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.600 few minutes later, and it was right up the hill 305 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:26.840 from us. Like I said, never came out of that 306 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.080 tree line, but it led out a roar, it rattled, 307 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.159 it went right through you. You could feel it. We 308 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.840 didn't even say a word. I just remember thinking we 309 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.879 looked like cartoon characters into the vehicles, and then it's 310 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:43.399 about it's probably two miles. You go up the hill 311 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:46.120 and then down the hill into the high school parking lot. 312 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.120 And I don't know about when you were in high school, Brian, 313 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.759 but when we were in high school, summer break we 314 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.039 spelled our summer break in the high school parking lot. 315 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.519 You spend all year trying to get out of there, 316 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:58.879 and then as soon as summer rolls are out, where 317 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:00.480 you want to hang out. Oh, let's say I got 318 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.519 the pargo out of the high school. It's good centralized 319 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.759 location it's a good meeting spot. But we zoomed back 320 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:09.400 down there, we jump out of the vehicles. What then 321 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.599 was that we're just freaking out. And then it was 322 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.640 that weekend. I remember the High State was playing because 323 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.640 we were going to have a party at my buddy's house. 324 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.079 This ended up being the first time I actually went 325 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:28.079 squatching because four of our other friends, I think it 326 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.880 was two weeks before our incident, were coming down the 327 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.880 road that's off of that road that takes it in 328 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.599 the valley. It's called Morgan Run Road. They were his 329 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.519 boltswade and driving. They had a road crossing and they 330 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.960 said it was a juvenile smaller one rolled out into 331 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.400 the road and stood up and ran off. They went 332 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.079 past it and backed up. What I was told was 333 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.640 that thing was standing there. When they backed up, they 334 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.480 could see it right there on the side of the road, 335 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.960 and it was doing this keeping its head down and 336 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.920 his shoulders. It's primate like behavior, trying to hide kind 337 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.680 of like that. And my one friend that I still 338 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.279 go squatching, what had told me he's you could see 339 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:13.279 he called a hair. He didn't say it was for 340 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.319 he said it was hair. He said, you could see 341 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.160 like in between you can see the hair and you 342 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.680 could see the skin, and it was just standing there. 343 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.519 The guy that was driving came with us that Saturday. 344 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.359 We went out back out to that valley and we 345 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:31.880 went around looking for footprints. Now, the funniest part about 346 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.200 looking for footprints is when we were looking on the 347 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.759 other side of the valleys, because I think I did 348 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.000 want to go. They didn't really want to find anything, 349 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.640 cause well was freaked out because like I said, we 350 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.359 were over here looking. I remember it was raining. We 351 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.519 were just will find some footprints or something, and we 352 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.519 didn't find nothing. But we didn't go to that other 353 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.000 side either. I can't remember if that was the reason. 354 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:55.880 It might have been because it was just not as 355 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:59.640 walkable as the other side. And what was wild too, 356 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:02.920 was it was nineteen eighty seven, so Don keating he 357 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.920 was putting out his signs and stuff. You could find 358 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.759 him on trees, you can find him on telephone pools 359 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.559 out in the woods if you had a big foot counter. 360 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.240 And I kicked myself in the butt every day for 361 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.920 not doing that. Because I knew there was a guy 362 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.039 in Newcomers Town we could call and talk to him 363 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:23.359 about this. We didn't do it. To this day. It's 364 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.079 like one of those things you're like, should it go 365 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.000 to the wood? I'm sure things would have been a 366 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.720 whole lot different as far as what got me to 367 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.079 come back around. When I hit my twenties, I was 368 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:35.839 out in the woods all the time. But we never 369 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:39.519 really were looking for big w You were always having 370 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.160 parties and stuff. It's funny because I went squatching one 371 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:46.680 time with dog Keating. We went out kind of road 372 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:51.200 seven hearing Shock, and it was all our old party spots. 373 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:54.960 The coal company Peabody and the coal companies and the 374 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.839 power plants and all that, because we had a power 375 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.720 plant out here Shaking County. It's in a little town 376 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:05.400 called Conesville, and so all these back roads we had 377 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.200 all these really cool lakes and ponds, and these back 378 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.599 roads were maintained by the coal companies because that's where 379 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.240 all the coal trucks went through there all over the place. 380 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.960 So we had plenty of party spots, swimming holes, fishing holes. 381 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:27.119 After the coal company basically closed down, they blocked a 382 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.400 lot of these side access roads off and some of 383 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.079 them became impassable or they were just really rough, you 384 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.839 mean to four wheel drive vehicles, or they just bloked 385 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.480 them off completely. You couldn't get back there much you walk. 386 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.960 I got to go out squatching. What don Keating and 387 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:46.119 Dave Wickham and a few others. Don It had asked me, 388 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:49.039 you've ever been out here before? That's been five years 389 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.839 of my life out here. I passed out over there. 390 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.279 That's not over there. It was really cool to just 391 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.839 to get out there. These were hot spots. I'm sure 392 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.519 people asked me. We never really squatched, but I bet 393 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.400 you could have been a fly on the wall. Theoretically, 394 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.440 there was probably some things watching us out They were 395 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:10.359 probably fascinated by our stupid behavior. That was really cool. 396 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:12.480 And like I said, one of the reasons I got 397 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:16.680 back into squatching, Finding big Foot was on TV. I 398 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:19.559 got sober in twenty ten, and I'd been going to 399 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:22.920 meetings and things like that, and I remember we went 400 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.400 to one of the High Bigfoot conferences in twenty fifteen 401 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.880