Speaker 1: Today, I want to tell you about a journey that
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Speaker 1: I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and
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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It enough
Speaker 2: out here? Look, I'm new to one doowing now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the fuddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
Speaker 2: It's thought of a bench about sixty nine. I don't
Speaker 2: know easy, I'm out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks with welcome
Speaker 1: our guest to the show. It is John from Ohio.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show man.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Brian, I have been looking forward to this man. We
Speaker 1: met three or four years ago. I was a first
Speaker 1: time vendor up at the Gatlinburg conference. Next to you
Speaker 1: guys in one of the vendor spots. We became fast friends,
Speaker 1: had a great time that weekend, and I've seen you
Speaker 1: guys out so many times. We'll certainly talk about some
Speaker 1: of that stuff before we get out of here, but
Speaker 1: you're here to share an experience. But I want to
Speaker 1: start where I start with most people. What in the
Speaker 1: world got you interested in the subject of Bigfoot to
Speaker 1: begin with?
Speaker 3: There's a couple of pieces to that. Obviously. You can
Speaker 3: see behind me. This is my Big flo slash atari
Speaker 3: slash comic book slash Godzillas. This is the Man Cave,
Speaker 3: but it's primarily Bigfoot. You can see the Steve Austin
Speaker 3: Bigfoot right there behind me. I'm a gen X kid
Speaker 3: born in nineteen seventy. I have so much love for
Speaker 3: my mom. She left us a year and a half ago.
Speaker 3: My mom loves science fiction, so I grew up watching
Speaker 3: In Search of Star Trek reruns six million dollars Man
Speaker 3: Space nineteen ninety nine. If it was in the seventies,
Speaker 3: we were watching it. My mom loved it. That was
Speaker 3: must watch TV back then. Whatever was on it was
Speaker 3: what you were watching. That's why somebody that was there
Speaker 3: traumatized by Heath Hall and The Lord's Welk Show because
Speaker 3: that was what you were watching on Saturdays. Man, it
Speaker 3: was terrible, but obviously six million dollars. Man the two
Speaker 3: part Bigfoot episodes the most popular episodes they ever had.
Speaker 3: That's why they had him back on the show so
Speaker 3: many times. They had him on The Bonic Woman, A
Speaker 3: big Foot and Wild Boy. That was a Saturday morning
Speaker 3: show that a lot of people have never heard of,
Speaker 3: which was just bonkers. It was like a Tarzan kind
Speaker 3: of thing. Young Boy, it gets rescued by Bigfoot. So
Speaker 3: I was watching all that stuff growing up and in
Speaker 3: search of certainly as a huge part. Plus we got
Speaker 3: to see a legend of Boding Creek sasquatched the legend
Speaker 3: of Bigfoot. Here in Ohio and especially where we're at
Speaker 3: in east central Ohio is what's called but Shockton is
Speaker 3: basically the last county on the left in the Appalachian Area.
Speaker 3: Like when you look at a map of Appalachia, Shockton
Speaker 3: is like right here on the left. So we're almost
Speaker 3: perfectly in between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, like one hundred miles
Speaker 3: if you draw like a right angle. We used to
Speaker 3: get Channel forty three out of Cleveland. There was a
Speaker 3: guy named SuperHost on Saturday, and he would play these
Speaker 3: godzill movies, Three Stooges, and sometimes you'd see these Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: Legend of Boggie Creek, Sasquatch, the Legend of Bigfoot, and
Speaker 3: then Big Chuck. Little John was also out of Cleveland
Speaker 3: on Friday nights and they would play those kind of
Speaker 3: movies too. So growing up, we got to see a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff. And like I said, it was my CTV,
Speaker 3: so you had to watch it a little lot to
Speaker 3: see that stuff over and over again, but we did.
Speaker 3: So that got me into all the science fiction, Bigfoot
Speaker 3: and all that. I guess I shouldn't leave out the
Speaker 3: books either. We had books in the elementary school. I've
Speaker 3: got some of them that we sell on the table
Speaker 3: that you see about Bigfoot, Asian aliens, all the monsters,
Speaker 3: all that stuff. You get to check it out at
Speaker 3: the school library. And I'd wear those books out by myself.
Speaker 3: We had a lot of stuff, what of good stuff.
Speaker 1: I too, am a gen xer and I grew up
Speaker 1: with all of those amazing shows that you're talking about
Speaker 1: and the books. NeSSI was my first love. The lockness Monster.
Speaker 1: It was must have books. You get the little library
Speaker 1: that would come in and you could go to the
Speaker 1: books sale. I love that stuff. That's where I fell
Speaker 1: in love with NeSSI and the other cryptids. That being said,
Speaker 1: was it one of those things that drove you out
Speaker 1: into the woods to look for these things? Did you
Speaker 1: want to become a researcher and find out more about
Speaker 1: them or did you stumble into your experiences while you
Speaker 1: were doing other things.
Speaker 3: The first experience I had I stumbled into it again
Speaker 3: growing up in the seventies was go outside and play
Speaker 3: with a stick. You made your own fun. It's right
Speaker 3: here on the east side of Kashaktan, which from where
Speaker 3: we live right now. My encounter where it happens not
Speaker 3: even a mile from my house up on this hillside
Speaker 3: right here. All that land going out to the east
Speaker 3: was called Old Man McCoy's Hill is what we called now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's several rolling hills and valleys back in there. There's
Speaker 3: three ponds, and that's what we went out there. We
Speaker 3: went up there for two reasons. We went out there
Speaker 3: to fish. Old Man McCoy he had a four to ten.
Speaker 3: He'd load all his shells up with rock salt, and
Speaker 3: he would shoot at you with the rock salt. He
Speaker 3: was a mean old man. The story was two of
Speaker 3: his boys died up there. One of them drowned in
Speaker 3: one of the ponds, and then the other one was
Speaker 3: killed in a really bad rain store and my lightning
Speaker 3: strike hit a tree and it fell on him. That
Speaker 3: was the stories that we were told. So we would
Speaker 3: go up there and play cat and mouse with him,
Speaker 3: plus we'd go fishing. My first encounter, we were heading
Speaker 3: up that way. To get up there, you go through
Speaker 3: these line of houses that are up on this hill.
Speaker 3: We'd cut right through their yard, go up into the woods,
Speaker 3: get on the two track. It ran like in a
Speaker 3: almost like a half of you up to the top
Speaker 3: of the hill. You had to be careful because he'd
Speaker 3: come down that way sometimes. He had an old beat
Speaker 3: up I think it was a green truck or red truck.
Speaker 3: So we're walking up the two track. It was me
Speaker 3: and my friend. My buddy's a little older than me.
Speaker 3: He was thirteen, I was nine. We're going up through there.
Speaker 3: We got our fish and stuff. Also, I have to
Speaker 3: point out this Caveat at the time, we were heavily
Speaker 3: influenced by Marvel Comics. We thought we were vigilanties, so
Speaker 3: we occasionally had these. If you remember the character Iron
Speaker 3: Fist from the comic books, he had this mask that
Speaker 3: just had his eyes and it would wrap around your
Speaker 3: head like a bandana. So we had a couple of those.
Speaker 3: We didn't o man that day, but we thought we
Speaker 3: were vigilanti superheroes. We're walking up this two track, and
Speaker 3: the way I remember it, the way I always explained
Speaker 3: it was, it seemed to be the woods up to
Speaker 3: the right of me just exploded with noise. All these
Speaker 3: trees start shaking. Now when I say trees, these are saplings.
Speaker 3: They weren't shaking giant oak trees or anything. I looked
Speaker 3: up to the right. The sun is back behind that,
Speaker 3: so all I can see is shadow ish. I see
Speaker 3: the con head down to these huge shoulders. That's all
Speaker 3: I remember as far as the encounter goes. We both
Speaker 3: just booked it back down the two track. But of
Speaker 3: course we get down so far and we decided to
Speaker 3: jump off the side of the two track. We decided
Speaker 3: we were going to run some fishing line across the
Speaker 3: trail because we're going to trip him if he comes
Speaker 3: after us. We're going to trip him, and we both
Speaker 3: got like little buck knives with us. Poor mister Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: We were plot is demies already. I don't remember if
Speaker 3: the creature made a noise at all. It's possible, but
Speaker 3: I don't recall that. Of course, this is quite a
Speaker 3: long time ago. I don't remember a smell. I don't
Speaker 3: remember smelling anything. It smell is a pretty powerful reminder
Speaker 3: you usually things like that were stuck with. But all
Speaker 3: I remember is, like I said, we were bebopping up
Speaker 3: through there. All of a sudden we saw it took
Speaker 3: off run and I think it was about ten seconds maybe,
Speaker 3: if that long, I think it was right after we
Speaker 3: got done stretching the fishing line across the trail. We
Speaker 3: looked at each other, let's get the hell out of
Speaker 3: here and off the hill. We were booking, and we
Speaker 3: ran all the way back down. People probably thought we
Speaker 3: were up something, because running through their yard, down over
Speaker 3: the hill, and then all the way down to Wilson Avenue,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a trip. So that's out
Speaker 3: the first encounter went. I got home and dropped my stuff.
Speaker 3: I went up to my buddy's house. He lived up
Speaker 3: the street, I told him about it, and he made
Speaker 3: fun of me. That was the first thing I think,
Speaker 3: but it's not real. And then of course he goes
Speaker 3: on to tell everybody I saw one. I'm getting tortured,
Speaker 3: I'm getting made fun of it. Occasionally through school people
Speaker 3: would say, yeah, won't you ask truly he saw a
Speaker 3: big boot one time, because I would tell people every
Speaker 3: now and then about it. There's a couple more caveats too,
Speaker 3: but the one I want to talk about real quick
Speaker 3: before I go off on wherever I'll end up going.
Speaker 3: And I've been together now for almost twelve years. Right
Speaker 3: after we got together, I don't know if we were
Speaker 3: married yet, but we'd been together for a little bit.
Speaker 3: The county fair came around and I saw my buddy
Speaker 3: that was there with me that day, and I didn't
Speaker 3: have any bigfoot shirt on or nothing. I wasn't doing
Speaker 3: this yet. Full disclosure. I've been in recovery now for
Speaker 3: fifteen years, and I've found that talking to people and
Speaker 3: like minds, it's cathartic. It's good for your soul. If
Speaker 3: you have an encounter, if you have something that's happened
Speaker 3: to you, you need to talk about it. You need
Speaker 3: to get it out there in the open. So I
Speaker 3: saw him at the fair and I told Beth, I said,
Speaker 3: will you wait for me right here? I will go
Speaker 3: ask him something. And I walked over to him and
Speaker 3: I said, Hey, do you remember that? And this is
Speaker 3: all I said, Tom, do you remember that day up
Speaker 3: on old man McCoy's hill. Now we were on that
Speaker 3: hill hundreds of times, so I didn't ask him that
Speaker 3: day when we saw the bigfoot? I said, do you
Speaker 3: remember that day we were up from old men McCoy's hill.
Speaker 3: He didn't skip a beat, he said, John, it was
Speaker 3: a big It blew me away because, like I said,
Speaker 3: he's a little older than I was, so he would
Speaker 3: have a better recollection. Plus he didn't destroy his ma
Speaker 3: brain cells. This I did in my twenties and thirties
Speaker 3: with heavy duty partying. That was really cool to get
Speaker 3: some reassurance like that, because as we get older, our
Speaker 3: memories do change. I know this. It's part of my
Speaker 3: job is to understand psychology a little bit. It's short
Speaker 3: and sweet. That's what happened. It's one of those things
Speaker 3: that I never thought would ever happened. Never occurred to
Speaker 3: me it would. I just did the little show with
Speaker 3: a friend. I met him on Twitter. He doesn't podcast.
Speaker 3: Billy Delicious is his name, call him Doc Strange. But
Speaker 3: we were talking about the movie The Mysterious Monsters, the
Speaker 3: one that Peter Graves did in nineteen seventy five. And
Speaker 3: in that movie there's a map and it shows the
Speaker 3: Bigfoot sightings, how many had been in each state. In
Speaker 3: the seventies, all you ever heard was California, Oregon, Washington,
Speaker 3: and even British Columbia. You never heard of Bigfoot until
Speaker 3: Boggy Creek. Really you never heard of anything ever east
Speaker 3: of the Rockies. But there's a little map on there.
Speaker 3: It shows eight sidings in Ohio in seventy five. So
Speaker 3: when I saw that, I remember going, hey, that was
Speaker 3: some validation too. See there's been other sidings in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Like said, I was a young kid. I didn't have
Speaker 3: no idea how to do research or try to find
Speaker 3: if other people had been seeing things in Ohio or
Speaker 3: anything like that. You can just stumble across that stuff.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that was some good validation. Now to
Speaker 3: add to this, I'm going to jump forward to nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty seven, so about eight years, eight years and about
Speaker 3: two miles as the crow flies out to one of
Speaker 3: the valleys that I said that when you go out
Speaker 3: east of Kashocktan, there's just hills and valleys, hills and
Speaker 3: valleys all the way out to a little town called
Speaker 3: west If. Yet there's a place out there. We called
Speaker 3: it the Valley at Forever in high school because we
Speaker 3: used to go out there and we'd have huge bonfires
Speaker 3: and parties and there was a place to meet. It
Speaker 3: was a good location. It was out of town enough
Speaker 3: to where the cops would leave a salon for the
Speaker 3: most part until they found out about it. Of course
Speaker 3: they got to ruin everything anyways. So we were out
Speaker 3: there one day. It was just me, and it was
Speaker 3: about this time of the year because my one buddy
Speaker 3: had not left for school yet. Just about everybody else
Speaker 3: had gone off to college. I was starting my senior
Speaker 3: year and there was four of us out there. We
Speaker 3: had two vehicles. So we're out there and we were
Speaker 3: having a couple of years and from the back of
Speaker 3: the valley, this valley is shaped basically like a bowl,
Speaker 3: and it's got trees rimmed around all the way around
Speaker 3: the top of it, so it's a bowl that goes up.
Speaker 3: It's all grass down here, and then it goes up
Speaker 3: and then there's a tree line all the way around it.
Speaker 3: It's really cool. It's kind of like an amphitheater.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So from the back of the valley we hear this
Speaker 3: god awful catterwall and we were all just what is that.
Speaker 3: My brother famously told me it was a sick cow.
Speaker 3: We're shooking up by this, but we're still just jalling,
Speaker 3: listening to some music. And next thing we know. So
Speaker 3: if you think about a clock, so the back of
Speaker 3: the valley's twelve o'clock. Next thing, about two o'clock, here
Speaker 3: comes this noise again. It's moving closer to us. We're
Speaker 3: over here at about three o'clock as far as the
Speaker 3: clock goes, so it makes another noise, but it's not
Speaker 3: coming out of the tree line. Whatever it is is
Speaker 3: standing in the tree line. We don't see anything moving,
Speaker 3: we don't hear anything moving, but this thing's moving closer
Speaker 3: to us. And as it's moving closer to us, we're
Speaker 3: all grouping closer together. So then the next time, about
Speaker 3: ten minutes later, it lets off a really nice loud reverberating,
Speaker 3: and it's really getting close to up the hill from us.
Speaker 3: So now we're all grouped closer together. And I remember,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I said it or someone else
Speaker 3: said it, that bang screams from the top of this hill.
Speaker 3: We're getting the heck out of here. It wasn't a
Speaker 3: few minutes later, and it was right up the hill
Speaker 3: from us. Like I said, never came out of that
Speaker 3: tree line, but it led out a roar, it rattled,
Speaker 3: it went right through you. You could feel it. We
Speaker 3: didn't even say a word. I just remember thinking we
Speaker 3: looked like cartoon characters into the vehicles, and then it's
Speaker 3: about it's probably two miles. You go up the hill
Speaker 3: and then down the hill into the high school parking lot.
Speaker 3: And I don't know about when you were in high school, Brian,
Speaker 3: but when we were in high school, summer break we
Speaker 3: spelled our summer break in the high school parking lot.
Speaker 3: You spend all year trying to get out of there,
Speaker 3: and then as soon as summer rolls are out, where
Speaker 3: you want to hang out. Oh, let's say I got
Speaker 3: the pargo out of the high school. It's good centralized
Speaker 3: location it's a good meeting spot. But we zoomed back
Speaker 3: down there, we jump out of the vehicles. What then
Speaker 3: was that we're just freaking out. And then it was
Speaker 3: that weekend. I remember the High State was playing because
Speaker 3: we were going to have a party at my buddy's house.
Speaker 3: This ended up being the first time I actually went
Speaker 3: squatching because four of our other friends, I think it
Speaker 3: was two weeks before our incident, were coming down the
Speaker 3: road that's off of that road that takes it in
Speaker 3: the valley. It's called Morgan Run Road. They were his
Speaker 3: boltswade and driving. They had a road crossing and they
Speaker 3: said it was a juvenile smaller one rolled out into
Speaker 3: the road and stood up and ran off. They went
Speaker 3: past it and backed up. What I was told was
Speaker 3: that thing was standing there. When they backed up, they
Speaker 3: could see it right there on the side of the road,
Speaker 3: and it was doing this keeping its head down and
Speaker 3: his shoulders. It's primate like behavior, trying to hide kind
Speaker 3: of like that. And my one friend that I still
Speaker 3: go squatching, what had told me he's you could see
Speaker 3: he called a hair. He didn't say it was for
Speaker 3: he said it was hair. He said, you could see
Speaker 3: like in between you can see the hair and you
Speaker 3: could see the skin, and it was just standing there.
Speaker 3: The guy that was driving came with us that Saturday.
Speaker 3: We went out back out to that valley and we
Speaker 3: went around looking for footprints. Now, the funniest part about
Speaker 3: looking for footprints is when we were looking on the
Speaker 3: other side of the valleys, because I think I did
Speaker 3: want to go. They didn't really want to find anything,
Speaker 3: cause well was freaked out because like I said, we
Speaker 3: were over here looking. I remember it was raining. We
Speaker 3: were just will find some footprints or something, and we
Speaker 3: didn't find nothing. But we didn't go to that other
Speaker 3: side either. I can't remember if that was the reason.
Speaker 3: It might have been because it was just not as
Speaker 3: walkable as the other side. And what was wild too,
Speaker 3: was it was nineteen eighty seven, so Don keating he
Speaker 3: was putting out his signs and stuff. You could find
Speaker 3: him on trees, you can find him on telephone pools
Speaker 3: out in the woods if you had a big foot counter.
Speaker 3: And I kicked myself in the butt every day for
Speaker 3: not doing that. Because I knew there was a guy
Speaker 3: in Newcomers Town we could call and talk to him
Speaker 3: about this. We didn't do it. To this day. It's
Speaker 3: like one of those things you're like, should it go
Speaker 3: to the wood? I'm sure things would have been a
Speaker 3: whole lot different as far as what got me to
Speaker 3: come back around. When I hit my twenties, I was
Speaker 3: out in the woods all the time. But we never
Speaker 3: really were looking for big w You were always having
Speaker 3: parties and stuff. It's funny because I went squatching one
Speaker 3: time with dog Keating. We went out kind of road
Speaker 3: seven hearing Shock, and it was all our old party spots.
Speaker 3: The coal company Peabody and the coal companies and the
Speaker 3: power plants and all that, because we had a power
Speaker 3: plant out here Shaking County. It's in a little town
Speaker 3: called Conesville, and so all these back roads we had
Speaker 3: all these really cool lakes and ponds, and these back
Speaker 3: roads were maintained by the coal companies because that's where
Speaker 3: all the coal trucks went through there all over the place.
Speaker 3: So we had plenty of party spots, swimming holes, fishing holes.
Speaker 3: After the coal company basically closed down, they blocked a
Speaker 3: lot of these side access roads off and some of
Speaker 3: them became impassable or they were just really rough, you
Speaker 3: mean to four wheel drive vehicles, or they just bloked
Speaker 3: them off completely. You couldn't get back there much you walk.
Speaker 3: I got to go out squatching. What don Keating and
Speaker 3: Dave Wickham and a few others. Don It had asked me,
Speaker 3: you've ever been out here before? That's been five years
Speaker 3: of my life out here. I passed out over there.
Speaker 3: That's not over there. It was really cool to just
Speaker 3: to get out there. These were hot spots. I'm sure
Speaker 3: people asked me. We never really squatched, but I bet
Speaker 3: you could have been a fly on the wall. Theoretically,
Speaker 3: there was probably some things watching us out They were
Speaker 3: probably fascinated by our stupid behavior. That was really cool.
Speaker 3: And like I said, one of the reasons I got
Speaker 3: back into squatching, Finding big Foot was on TV. I
Speaker 3: got sober in twenty ten, and I'd been going to
Speaker 3: meetings and things like that, and I remember we went
Speaker 3: to one of the High Bigfoot conferences in twenty fifteen
Speaker 3: or twenty sixteen. I think it was Bruce that came
Speaker 3: up to me and was asking me if I had
Speaker 3: a story. Beth was like, yeah, he's got a story.
Speaker 3: You didn't need to listen to a story he needs
Speaker 3: to tell you. I'm a timid about saying it, because
Speaker 3: every time I talked about it, people look at you
Speaker 3: like you're growing another head out of your shoulder. Are
Speaker 3: you regular crazy or are you special crazy? No, this
Speaker 3: really happened. So that was, Like I said, one of
Speaker 3: the reasons I really liked going to the conferences was
Speaker 3: you could talk to somebody. It was very cathartic when
Speaker 3: you could talk to people similar stories that would listen
Speaker 3: to you, that wanted to hear your pinions or just
Speaker 3: listen to what you had to say and say, man,
Speaker 3: that's amazing. Now here listen to this story or that story.
Speaker 3: And that's another reason that I wanted to get it
Speaker 3: out there. This is what I told Doug Waller. I
Speaker 3: talked to him.
Speaker 2: Doug.
Speaker 3: He's a author here in Ohio. He collects people's stories.
Speaker 3: He's written six books, and he put my story in
Speaker 3: his sixth book. I told him one of the reasons
Speaker 3: I wanted to get it out there was I'm hoping
Speaker 3: somebody reads that and goes, man, somebody around here or
Speaker 3: close by was like, this is what happened to me
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy nine, and it was right there by
Speaker 3: your story. It happened in the same spot or it
Speaker 3: happened really close to that. Because you've heard a lot
Speaker 3: of stories, you know how that goes. It's amazing how
Speaker 3: many people have encounters that are just afraid to talk
Speaker 3: about it. Sad at shows, if you're watching the crowd
Speaker 3: and you're watching a speaker, I can see people they're
Speaker 3: just bursting at the seams one to tell their story,
Speaker 3: but they're just afraid to open up about it. That's
Speaker 3: one of the things I want to get people to
Speaker 3: talk about it because it's freeing for one thing. Plus,
Speaker 3: like I said, another reason that your story could help
Speaker 3: somebody else come out and talk about something, and it
Speaker 3: can link a chain of events that it would just
Speaker 3: blow your mind. I've had so many people in my office.
Speaker 3: I've got big Foot stuff up on the wall of
Speaker 3: my Bigfoot calendar. I've got a big Foot bobblehead on
Speaker 3: my desk, and they're like, you believe in Bigfoot? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, absolutely, and they're like, let me tell
Speaker 3: you what happened to me. I was taking the garbage
Speaker 3: out one time, and I've had at least three people
Speaker 3: taking the garbage out telling this story. It's fascinating to
Speaker 3: me just how many people really do have these stories,
Speaker 3: so some of the other things has happened a few
Speaker 3: of the watching incidents, which is cool because I was
Speaker 3: looking through my photos yesterday and I really forgotten about this.
Speaker 3: So there's a place and it's out Kye Road seven.
Speaker 3: Kyrod seven is just super duper. It's a huge amount
Speaker 3: of area. So if you keep hearing me say Kyrod seven,
Speaker 3: there's all these ponds and lakes, all the strip mines.
Speaker 3: They build it when they stripped a lot of this
Speaker 3: and now it's grown back up. Literally, there's a high wall.
Speaker 3: We've stopped out there several times just to take pictures
Speaker 3: because it goes down this real long hill. It's right
Speaker 3: behind playing field. But on the side of the wall
Speaker 3: where they stripped it out, it looks like the face
Speaker 3: of an Indian the way that the rock is carved,
Speaker 3: and part of it it's just saddened out because there's
Speaker 3: like a tree growing out his eyeball now and part
Speaker 3: of his nose fell off. I've got a couple of
Speaker 3: pictures and it used to look like an Indian hit.
Speaker 3: It was very cool looking. Like I said, I'm going
Speaker 3: through my old pictures and I had an old video
Speaker 3: out there. It was right before Christmas. I was out
Speaker 3: there twenty eighteen. I was just out doing some wood knocks.
Speaker 3: It was eleven o'clock in the morning something like that, foggy,
Speaker 3: overcast and pretty warm for December actually, And on the
Speaker 3: video I totally forgot about this, which is wild. I
Speaker 3: parked down right by the face and then walk back
Speaker 3: up this way, and then there's like a hill. That
Speaker 3: hill is the top of the high wall. So if
Speaker 3: you walk up to the top of the hill and
Speaker 3: try to go any farther, you'd better get a parachute.
Speaker 3: It's a straight drop. It's not like you can catch
Speaker 3: yourself falling down. You're done, so you gotta be very
Speaker 3: careful out there. But anyways, there's stuff up in the tree,
Speaker 3: and it seriously looked like a cat, like a big cat.
Speaker 3: I'd put stuff up in a tree, or it could
Speaker 3: have been a giant eagle nest or something like that,
Speaker 3: but that's what I've originally caught my eye. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking at that, I'm out above it, and then there's
Speaker 3: a game trail you can see, and it even says
Speaker 3: in my video, I'm like, you can see deer poop
Speaker 3: all over the place. Here they're coming up this way
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at this. It's a little bit of
Speaker 3: dirt underneath these leaves, and I'm just looking down at it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, it looks really fresh. So I go
Speaker 3: down and I walked around because I didn't want to
Speaker 3: step on it. I walked around and I moved the
Speaker 3: leaves out of the way. Even on the video, sometimes
Speaker 3: when you take those two dimensional pictures and videos and
Speaker 3: you show a footprint, you're just like, what am I
Speaker 3: looking at? I don't see anything, maybe a shape whatever.
Speaker 3: You can see very clearly. You can see the toe indentations.
Speaker 3: They're thick, and you can see the dirts rose up
Speaker 3: in between the toes. Like I said, that was twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: so it was pretty cool just to find that again.
Speaker 3: I think it was that same year in the spring.
Speaker 3: Because Beth had knee surgery, she had spent the whole
Speaker 3: winter in a wheelchair. We were concerned that she wasn't
Speaker 3: going to be walking or walking right again. When it
Speaker 3: came to spring, she got up out of that chair
Speaker 3: and the doctor was like, you just need to run
Speaker 3: with it, go get out and walk. So Beth was like,
Speaker 3: We're gonna go walk. We're going to sol Fork and
Speaker 3: we're gonna go for a walk. So we go out
Speaker 3: to Morgan's trail. We get through the pine trees, turn
Speaker 3: the left to go up that little sandy hill. I
Speaker 3: think she had to stop tire shoe and she's, hey,
Speaker 3: come here and look at this. And Beth is ambivalent.
Speaker 3: She's a good sport and she's interested, but only because
Speaker 3: of me. But she's come here and look at this.
Speaker 3: I go over and look. This is actually a good
Speaker 3: example of when I was talking about that two dimensional
Speaker 3: because I have a picture of this foot, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't do it justice. This foot was gigantic, right in
Speaker 3: the middle of Morgan's trail, and it looked like it
Speaker 3: stepped off of that little I couldn't find anything over here, though,
Speaker 3: but it looked like it stepped off that little rise
Speaker 3: where the pine trees are plot down right in the
Speaker 3: middle of that sandy gravel mix. It's right in the
Speaker 3: middle of that going up that hill. And then went
Speaker 3: the other way over to the There's a lot of
Speaker 3: hardwoods over on that side of the trail, so let
Speaker 3: the little rise in them right there. But it was huge,
Speaker 3: like I have size fifteen books and I could put
Speaker 3: it inside of that and you could still see the
Speaker 3: whole footprint around the outside of my boom. So that
Speaker 3: was in that spring. Come around to spring of this
Speaker 3: year and I'm on Morgan's trail again, almost in the
Speaker 3: exact same spot. Off to the right, there's another huge
Speaker 3: footprint over there. I took pictures of that and sent
Speaker 3: it to John Hickinbottom. He's a park ranger, but he's
Speaker 3: like the head of the Eco Center at the soul
Speaker 3: Fork and I'm like, John, I don't have any casting
Speaker 3: stuff with me because I just went to lunch in
Speaker 3: Cambridge and I came out there just to walk after
Speaker 3: lunch to take a hike. I wasn't squatching. I was
Speaker 3: just out there walking around and I'm like, stright there, dude,
Speaker 3: it's a huge. This one could have been a person,
Speaker 3: but it was still a size eighteen foot. It's possible
Speaker 3: to sit human being walked around on barefoot in the march.
Speaker 3: But that was funny because I came back out two
Speaker 3: months later and that print was still there. It was
Speaker 3: deteriorated a lot, but it was still there. Because I
Speaker 3: was with Gwyn Purcell. She was in town camping at
Speaker 3: the Privet and Kid Ground and We went up all
Speaker 3: the way to the top medte Her and a couple
Speaker 3: other people. But I'm like, there's that foot print. It's
Speaker 3: still there. Of course, we still didn't have any casting stuff,
Speaker 3: but I found a three toed print up there the
Speaker 3: same time. I don't know what that was. That was weird.
Speaker 3: I sent it to Joe and Ron with while I'm weird,
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to really start taking some casting
Speaker 3: Mixcury well. And the reason I bring that up is
Speaker 3: that's just taking a walk on Morgan's trail. That's not
Speaker 3: even going out in the middle of the night, going
Speaker 3: way out in the sticks and doing tree knocks, or
Speaker 3: just going out there and sitting and waiting for him
Speaker 3: to count. Because I know a lot of people told
Speaker 3: me that's the way to go with that.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I went out one time, we went out the woodberry
Speaker 3: and we heard this squealing noise. This is how I
Speaker 3: describe it, the noise that squirrels make when they get
Speaker 3: really mad. Imagine a squirrel it's about eighty pounds making
Speaker 3: that noise up a tree about two hundred feet we
Speaker 3: couldn't figure out where it was coming from. Me and Dave.
Speaker 3: That's all in the daytime we were swatching. That day,
Speaker 3: we were actually doing some research. We had walkie talkies,
Speaker 3: we had two teams. We're talking back and forth. But
Speaker 3: even when you're not even entrenched doing it, it's amazing
Speaker 3: what goes on in the woods. I don't want to
Speaker 3: get made. But when I talk to people and they're
Speaker 3: just like, this stuff's not real, John, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you've never even gone out in the woods. You have
Speaker 3: no idea that if I take you twenty feet off
Speaker 3: the highway, like the State Route eighty three, if I
Speaker 3: took you because I've tried this experiment, if I take
Speaker 3: you twenty feet off the highway where you can't see
Speaker 3: that road, and I spun you around in the circle,
Speaker 3: you'd have no idea where you're at. You would be
Speaker 3: completely lost in those woods. You have no idea what
Speaker 3: you're talking about when you say there's four hundred million
Speaker 3: game cares, so to to gut you any you don't
Speaker 3: know what's talking. You just don't. Yeah, there's always I'd
Speaker 3: like to get out. I'd love to get out more.
Speaker 3: Maybe when the conference season is over, I might be
Speaker 3: able to get out there, but like right now, we
Speaker 3: have a fully packed October. It's been pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: So I tell you, I used to think when I
Speaker 1: started getting into this early on, that you had to
Speaker 1: be twenty five miles deep in the woods to have
Speaker 1: an experience with these things. Absolutely not, just like you
Speaker 1: said people taking out the tracks. I've interviewed people from
Speaker 1: right here in my hometown of Lenore. Earlier this year,
Speaker 1: a lady had an encounter with one of these things
Speaker 1: behind a homeless shelter, going through a trash can. So
Speaker 1: it can happen on trails, it can happen in places
Speaker 1: that people don't expect it to. And I tell you,
Speaker 1: I have cast some really good prints here on the property.
Speaker 1: I've cast prints on my neighbor's property about a mile away.
Speaker 1: One of the best prints that I have ever come
Speaker 1: across that I happened to have my phone with me
Speaker 1: and I took a couple of photos of I showed
Speaker 1: it to Cliff Berrickman. We were at dinner one night
Speaker 1: out in Idaho, and I showed it to Cliff and he's, dude,
Speaker 1: that's a Sasquatch print.
Speaker 3: Did you cast it? Of course not.
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything bigfoot. I didn't have casting material.
Speaker 1: It was raining for the next three days, so it
Speaker 1: was a wash. But now I don't go anywhere typically,
Speaker 1: I don't go anywhere without at least having some kind
Speaker 1: of casting material with me, because you never know when
Speaker 1: you're going to run up on something like that. I
Speaker 1: want to go back to the earlier siding because it
Speaker 1: was resonating with me. Obviously, you had a physical visual experience.
Speaker 1: When I was twelve, I had an encounter with one
Speaker 1: of these things, and I didn't get to see it,
Speaker 1: but my mom was right there in the house when
Speaker 1: I came back to quote unquote safety and your mom
Speaker 1: was into this stuff. She was watching that stuff on television.
Speaker 1: When you had your experience at age nine, did you
Speaker 1: talk to your mom about it? Did you tell her
Speaker 1: what you had seen?
Speaker 3: I did not. I didn't want to tell any of
Speaker 3: the adults. I already knew what their response would be.
Speaker 3: Let's just put it that way. I think that's one
Speaker 3: of the things my siblings and they never heard this
Speaker 3: story until I was older because I never told I
Speaker 3: didn't want to tell them. I was afraid of what
Speaker 3: I would hear from them. That's my best answer. I
Speaker 3: did not want them to doubt me. That would have
Speaker 3: been too hard for me to take.
Speaker 1: I definitely get that, And for me, it was a
Speaker 1: fear of not being allowed to go back in the woods.
Speaker 1: If I told my mom what I'd experienced, should have
Speaker 1: said your asses and going back in the woods. And
Speaker 1: I've lived in the woods, so I can totally.
Speaker 3: Relate to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have been all over the place. You've talked
Speaker 1: to anybody and everybody that's in the Bigfoot world, the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot community. You've had tons of conversations with everybody. How
Speaker 1: do you look at the difference? You obviously are aware
Speaker 1: of the camps that are out there, the flesh and
Speaker 1: blood versus the WU or high strangeness camps. Where are
Speaker 1: you in your research and looking into these things. Are
Speaker 1: you open minded to some of the weirder stranger things
Speaker 1: that people say they experience when it comes to Bigfoot
Speaker 1: or are you more in the flesh and blood camp.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not asking you to plan a flag by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, no flag planting tonight, But
Speaker 1: where are you on your research? Are you open to
Speaker 1: that stuff or you more in the flesh and blood.
Speaker 3: I'm totally open to listening to everybody's point of view
Speaker 3: on this because there has to be a flesh and
Speaker 3: blood contingent to it. These things are leaving footprints. When
Speaker 3: you listen to Cliff, the Cliff's all about it's an animal.
Speaker 3: It's out there. People have found hair, It leaves footprints,
Speaker 3: it leaves marks where it goes. We suspect it's building
Speaker 3: some shelters or those the nests that they found. Guys
Speaker 3: out in Washington found the Olympic project. Shane Corson came
Speaker 3: here and did his presentation on that and talked about
Speaker 3: those things are woven together, something with opposable thumbs. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: That's some serious physical evidence. Granted you can't link one
Speaker 3: thing to the other. We didn't catch them making it.
Speaker 3: Shane even said that, but something did it. If somebody
Speaker 3: was hoaxing that man, they need to get a life.
Speaker 3: Good God. I sat out the woods and one together
Speaker 3: took me fifteen years, but I owned those big butters.
Speaker 3: Good lord, man.
Speaker 1: I'd definitely say all hoaxes need to get a life
Speaker 1: and stop hoaxing. That's one of my biggest pet peeves
Speaker 1: in all of Bigfoot. That's why I go after the
Speaker 1: hoaxers on the other show. We don't talk about it
Speaker 1: over here.
Speaker 3: So back to your original questions, There is a physical thing,
Speaker 3: I am just of a mind. One of my favorite lines,
Speaker 3: and it's been used in many science fiction films, or
Speaker 3: is the most recent one that I can think of,
Speaker 3: the first Thord movie. Your people call it magic, My
Speaker 3: people call it science. We don't understand everything yet, and
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is exactly what it is, but
Speaker 3: is it possible that they are occupying the same space
Speaker 3: as ours but they're not here all the time, I
Speaker 3: don't know, but they're here at some point in time. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I'm right there. I don't want to say I'm on
Speaker 3: the fence about it, because it just seems like they
Speaker 3: do things that we just can't figure out. So it's
Speaker 3: not the one thing that they are doing, some stuff
Speaker 3: that we don't understand. And how they do that, I've
Speaker 3: heard more than one. I've heard people talked about them cloaked.
Speaker 3: I've seen pictures where people are like, do you see it?
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you've ever seen those ones
Speaker 3: where it looks like a klingon bird of prey, but
Speaker 3: you can see it. It's there. What and the heck
Speaker 3: is that? I talked to another dear friend of mine.
Speaker 3: He told me he saw one out of the moonlight
Speaker 3: and it was shimmering. He said, it was like you
Speaker 3: can almost see through it. When the moon hit is hair,
Speaker 3: it was like you could almost see through it. So
Speaker 3: that fits right in with the other stuff. So if
Speaker 3: that's the case, then maybe could be it. But they're
Speaker 3: doing some things that they don't act like regular animals.
Speaker 3: They're leaving traces, but they're not cutting huge schwats through
Speaker 3: pieces of forest, whereas well, obviously a seven foot tall
Speaker 3: creature walks through there. They're doing some things that are
Speaker 3: to me, at least in my understanding, and maybe I'm
Speaker 3: just not as informed as I should be. So I'm
Speaker 3: right there, all right.
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, we mentioned it earlier,
Speaker 1: tell everybody about Crowtown Squatchers, what it is and where
Speaker 1: they can find you, guys.
Speaker 3: So Crowtown Squatchers is me and my wife Death and
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of supporting casts that don't get talked
Speaker 3: about enough. Our dear friend Amy who does our art,
Speaker 3: all of our friends that support us. We've got lots
Speaker 3: of people that come out. I don't want to call
Speaker 3: them repeat customers. They're like family. Now they come and
Speaker 3: see us at shows. They're always buying emerged from us,
Speaker 3: and we love to see them and we love to
Speaker 3: see everybody out on the road. So we got started.
Speaker 3: It was at a Creature weekend at the High Bigfoot conference.
Speaker 3: We were talking to one of the girls. She was
Speaker 3: selling stuff from the Monster Mart down in the Blacky Creek.
Speaker 3: I was like, do you work at the Monster March?
Speaker 3: She goes, now, I'm just up here. They asked me
Speaker 3: to come up and do this and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: guys should do this and we were like no, She's yeah,
Speaker 3: just get you some stuff, grab a booth. You want
Speaker 3: to come to the shows. If you pay to be
Speaker 3: a vendor, you just get your table and then you
Speaker 3: can walk around and talk to everybody. In my defense,
Speaker 3: Beth is the one who talked me into doing this.
Speaker 3: That is the truth where she said. So we started.
Speaker 3: Like the next year, I got old Mark the words.
Speaker 3: We did the High big Foot Commerce. We had five
Speaker 3: T shirts, some magnets, some necklaces that we made out
Speaker 3: of clay. Beth made them out of Clay. I painted
Speaker 3: them and we hung them on a string and we
Speaker 3: went there and we sold some stuff. We had a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. We'd got to meet Cliff and Bobo
Speaker 3: and Bob kat Goldwaite was there that year. Then we
Speaker 3: got to meet all these people and take picture and
Speaker 3: it was a blast. We got to talk to people.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I got to talk to people about
Speaker 3: my encounter. It was really cool. And so we got
Speaker 3: hooked and we started doing all those shows. We go around,
Speaker 3: we get to talk to people, we get to hear
Speaker 3: their stories. We'll do other shows like some flea markets
Speaker 3: or things like that every now and then, especially during wintertime,
Speaker 3: like we'll use a little Christmas show or something, and
Speaker 3: we're usually the only Bigfoot people there and people will
Speaker 3: come up and they want to talk about Bigfoot. They
Speaker 3: want to share their stories with me. The hush tones,
Speaker 3: Hey can I tell you about my encounter? They don't
Speaker 3: want anybody around, Like they wait till people are you know,
Speaker 3: they're looking at our all. They wait till people are
Speaker 3: gone and they'll tell you. So it's really cool to
Speaker 3: get to meet people like that and hear their stories.
Speaker 3: So we get to like said, we travel all over
Speaker 3: the Midwest. We just have a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 3: We get to see all kinds of meat stuff and
Speaker 3: go all over the place and meet great people. We
Speaker 3: get to meet people like Brian and give him a
Speaker 3: few pointers and help the guy along and look out,
Speaker 3: now he's got to show it and he's going all
Speaker 3: over the world squatching are little boys growing up.
Speaker 1: You guys definitely helped me in my first experience as
Speaker 1: a vendor up at the conference and Gatlinburg, Tennessee. I
Speaker 1: can't thank you guys enough for that. It really did
Speaker 1: help a lot, just having that camaraderie and knowing that
Speaker 1: there were some really awesome people in Bigfoot because I
Speaker 1: had no freaking clue what I was doing, and you
Speaker 1: guys were my introduction to that. So I sincerely thank
Speaker 1: you guys for that, because y'all are the kindest people
Speaker 1: in the world. You your mother was there, Beth, and
Speaker 1: I have enjoyed seeing you guys every single time I
Speaker 1: get to see you out on the road. John, I
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing your experiences. Man,
Speaker 1: have had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure, and you hit the nail on
Speaker 3: the head. The people that we get to interact with
Speaker 3: the vendors, the speakers, the people doing the podcast. It's
Speaker 3: like a big family. We all look out for each other,
Speaker 3: we all stay in touch with one another. It's so
Speaker 3: fun just to see everybody. And it's sad because cryptid
Speaker 3: CON's coming up next month, and really that's the last
Speaker 3: farewell of the season, is crypti Con it And then
Speaker 3: you don't see everybody until next year when frog Man
Speaker 3: It starts to conference season off. Now, so that's cool.
Speaker 3: We got some book ends now, we got frogg Man
Speaker 3: in the spring, and we got Cryptown in the phone.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a sweet farewell there, and
Speaker 3: then you get to see everybody in the spring.
Speaker 1: They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be.
Speaker 2: We're all ouppen.
Speaker 1: This job everything for joy, for me, joy staying right.
Speaker 1: You can't it run away.
Speaker 3: Sissie, still stay inside step stills, the bass start plays
Speaker 3: and psssts and things and
Speaker 1: Usedst instance