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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, Tuesday afternoon, the

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<v Speaker 1>Tri State weather continues to be iffy. Later on thinks

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<v Speaker 1>you're a little bit better than the great by the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>But until then, the news of yesterday I Pete Rose

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<v Speaker 1>is passing at the age of eighty three, continues to

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<v Speaker 1>reverberate throughout the Tri State good memories and for some

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<v Speaker 1>bad memories, the upside downs, and the definitive work on

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose that I read, which is the best book

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<v Speaker 1>ever written as Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Fall of

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose in the Last Glory Days of Baseball, written

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<v Speaker 1>by Keith O'Brien, who's from our community. And Keith O'Brien,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Keith O'Brien. Before we got onto the last hours of

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose's life, who was Pete Rose?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Pete Rose is like a roar shock test

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<v Speaker 2>for baseball fans, for Americans. You can find whatever story

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<v Speaker 2>you want in him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is of course a local hero and a baseball icon

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<v Speaker 2>who did get the most out of his talents and

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<v Speaker 2>did scrape and claw his way to the mountaintop. He

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<v Speaker 2>is also a player who sabotaged himself again and again

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<v Speaker 2>and again with his own choices, his own decisions, his

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<v Speaker 2>own addictions. Frankly, Bill and and I think that this

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<v Speaker 2>tangle of lessons, this complicated legacy, is how ultimately he

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<v Speaker 2>will be remembered. I you know, I think Pete Rose

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<v Speaker 2>is in the end a cautionary tale for us all

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<v Speaker 2>and and and and it's really you know, how I

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<v Speaker 2>began to think about him as I was writing the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I I began to think of his story as a

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<v Speaker 2>Greek tragedy that just happened to play out in and

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<v Speaker 2>around an American baseball field. And and that, ultimately, and sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>is is what he is. I think he's a tragic figure.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the beginnings of Pete Rose at bold

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<v Speaker 1>Face Park and elsewhere, talk about his relate. Many times,

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<v Speaker 1>a boy or a father's relationship is the key element

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<v Speaker 1>of one's life. I know it's colored many elements of

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<v Speaker 1>my life. And that is tell me about Pete's relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with his dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so big. Pete, as he was known Harry Francis Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>was the original star athlete in the Rose family. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a prominent semi pro football player on the West

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<v Speaker 2>Side of Cincinnati in the nineteen thirties, forties, even into

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties, at a time when there was no

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<v Speaker 2>professional football in Cincinnati, no Cincinnati Bengals whatsoever. This was

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<v Speaker 2>as far as Big Pete could go, these workaday games

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekends with other West Side guys, where by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, the players often wagered on the outcome in

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<v Speaker 2>the parking lot of the game. You know, But from

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<v Speaker 2>the moment Little Pete is born in nineteen forty one,

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<v Speaker 2>the father is absolutely fixated on the future athletic success

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<v Speaker 2>of his firstborn son, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He will push Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I did get a chance for my

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<v Speaker 2>book to interview Pete Rose for twenty seven hours, both

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone and in person, and of course we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about his father. His father's been gone for fifty

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<v Speaker 2>four years, but he still spoke about him with reverence

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<v Speaker 2>and still credited him, Pete did for his success. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's notable because Big Pete was a difficult man.

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<v Speaker 2>He was not an easy man. He was certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>easy on his son. But Little Pete did not reject

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<v Speaker 2>the gospel of Big Pete Rose, he embraced it and

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to please him.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the destructive tendencies of Pete Rose in his adult life,

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<v Speaker 1>or the current rolls of that born in Pete's relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Harry.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was certainly born on the West Side.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Gambling was part of the culture in the

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson Ferry neighborhood where Pete Rose grew up in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties and fifties. Just down the hill from Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose's home on Braddock.

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<v Speaker 5>Street was.

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<v Speaker 2>A little tavern where men would gather to wager on

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<v Speaker 2>dice games and card games. The kids themselves, including young

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Rose, often wagered outside the walls of that tavern,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pitching pennies against the wall. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's notable Bill that, aside from pushing

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<v Speaker 2>his son to be great at sports, there was one

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<v Speaker 2>other thing that Big Pete loved, and that was going

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<v Speaker 2>to River Downs. And you know, again, I did those

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<v Speaker 2>many hours of interviews with Pete Rose, and one thing

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<v Speaker 2>he told me that I think he's just so stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that his favorite memories of his childhood was

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<v Speaker 2>not playing baseball bull Based Park, not playing football or

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<v Speaker 2>baseball at Western Hills High School. His favorite memories, Pete said,

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<v Speaker 2>was going to river Downs with his dad on the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend and cheering on his daddy's horse to win. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that's so so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So somehow, and I can recall specifically and writing in

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<v Speaker 1>Lachlan as a kid and a bar and I watched

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<v Speaker 1>the old the fathers from World War two who had

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<v Speaker 1>their cards and it was for amusement purposes only. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a one teamer, at two teamer, a three teamer,

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<v Speaker 1>bet five bucks, bet ten bucks. There was something about

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<v Speaker 1>the addictive personality of Pete Rose that the kernels of

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<v Speaker 1>his ultimate destruction came from river downs and from betting

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<v Speaker 1>and bars, which he learned from his father.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, his gambling was well known in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen sixties and seventies. No one, least of

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<v Speaker 2>all the media or the Cincinnati Reds should have been

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<v Speaker 2>caught by surprise by the revelations in the nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 2>that you know in my reporting, you know, I scoured

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<v Speaker 2>the newspapers for every mention of Pete Rose. And one

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<v Speaker 2>story I think is so interesting. In the late nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>Pete has won one batting title. He's about to win

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<v Speaker 2>his seconds. There were complaints letters that people were sending

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<v Speaker 2>in to the Cincinnati Reds because they were seeing Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose so often at river Downs, even before games, that

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<v Speaker 2>it concerned people. And Rose, you know, openly admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>he liked to gamble, and he he and he frankly

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<v Speaker 2>stuck his finger in the eye of those complained about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said in one newspaper article that I found you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what do people want me to do? Stay home and

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<v Speaker 2>the grass.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith O'Brien, author of Charlie Hustle. It was at least

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the gambling at his home on bloom He

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<v Speaker 1>had three TV sets set up on a Sunday afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd behead the gold Sheet Jim Feist reports, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>I went with him to Latonia to bet on horse racing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he kept from us many of the dark aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of his life betting on baseball because when all this

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<v Speaker 1>arose in the in the spring of nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he enlisted me and Bob Trumpy and many others to

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<v Speaker 1>defend him vociferously, and he kept feeding us information as

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii elements the Doubt Report were inaccurate, And I went

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<v Speaker 1>on the air and Bob Trump, he went on the

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<v Speaker 1>air repeatedly defending Pete Rose against these allegations that he

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<v Speaker 1>was betting on baseball as a player and a manager,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course he did. And you talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>sixties and seventies. I did not have a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>him then because I was too young, But nonetheless was

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior if you're precipitating factor, So why the Reds

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<v Speaker 1>did not re sign him in seventy eight and let

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<v Speaker 1>him move on to the Phillies.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the expos based on my reporting one hundred percent, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nineteen seventy eight, Pete's going to become a

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<v Speaker 2>free agent effectively for the first time. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>reaching the end of his career. Many people speculated in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight that he only had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years left. Of course, he's going to play for eight

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<v Speaker 2>more years, but at the time they thought he just

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of years left. And and many people

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<v Speaker 2>wondered why Rose didn't come back. And here's the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation. The president of the Cincinnati Reds by

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight was Dick Wagner, Dick Wagner and Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose had never seen eye to eye. They were different men,

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<v Speaker 2>cut from different cloths. Wagner was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>Puritan and a bit of a militant, you know. P

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<v Speaker 2>Rose was p Rose, and so they didn't along. But

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<v Speaker 2>sometime that season Bill in the spring of nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>based on my reporting, there is some sort of secret

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<v Speaker 2>meeting in the office of Dick Wagner, And at that

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<v Speaker 2>meeting is Dick Wagner, Pete Rose, and the head of

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<v Speaker 2>security for Major League Baseball. And the discussion that day

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<v Speaker 2>in the spring of nineteen seventy eight is about Pete's gambling,

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<v Speaker 2>his bookies and his many debts to these bookies. Baseball

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<v Speaker 2>and the Reds were worried then, and so without question,

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<v Speaker 2>Wagner was concerned about bringing Rose back, as it would leak.

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<v Speaker 2>Later in nineteen eighty nine, Wagner said apparently that he

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<v Speaker 2>was worried that someone a bookie who had been stiffed

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<v Speaker 2>by Pete Rose, might come searching for his money and

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<v Speaker 2>take measures that would leave a stain on the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>Reds franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>When he left for the Phillies in seventy nine, I

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<v Speaker 1>would point out he won another World championship with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the fact that Cincinnati Reds in fact rejected Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Rose was out. A motivating factor in his later success

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<v Speaker 1>with the Phillies none the exposed and then back with

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<v Speaker 1>the Reds was the fact that he was shunned by

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<v Speaker 1>the Reds at that point. A motivating factor in baseball

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<v Speaker 1>for Pete like.

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<v Speaker 2>All great athletes. And again, whether you like him or

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like him, whether you cheered for him in

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<v Speaker 2>the end or didn't, you know, Pete Rose was a

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<v Speaker 2>great athlete. And like all great athletes, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordans, the Tiger Woods, the Tom Brady's of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>he found motivation in the little things. And it did

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<v Speaker 2>hurt him that the Reds didn't want him back. He

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<v Speaker 2>would have happily signed, for the right amount of money

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<v Speaker 2>a contract with the Cincinnati Reds. And so yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Philadelphia intent on proving that he's still Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose bill a great player. And you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of years in Philly, you know, eighty two

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three, we start to see the downturn, But seventy

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<v Speaker 2>nine eighty one, he is still putting up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame caliber numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Nanny comes back on. You remember he was wearing the

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<v Speaker 1>stupid Montreal Expos uniform and I think it was hit

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<v Speaker 1>number four thousand at the Riverfront and he belly first

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<v Speaker 1>goes into third base. That crowd goes absolutely nuts. And

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<v Speaker 1>I went into the exposed locker room after the game

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<v Speaker 1>and I talked to him briefly and he told me

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<v Speaker 1>I want to come back home. I said, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next year, March Shot brought him back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain how March Shot brought Pete Rose back to Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so you know, it happens in August nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot is not yet owner, but she is making noise

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<v Speaker 2>and being quite loud among the ownership. She had been

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<v Speaker 2>pushing for years to bring back the old guard Reds,

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<v Speaker 2>the Morgans, the Perezes, the Pete Roses. And in July

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<v Speaker 2>of that summer summer nineteen eighty four, Dick Wagner has

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<v Speaker 2>now been fired. And who's back in charge of the Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>The old general manager who did love Pete Rose, Bob Hausem.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, listen, I think Bob Hausm should be

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of fame. He was the architect of

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<v Speaker 2>the big Red machine. I think it is a travesty

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<v Speaker 2>that he is not in Cooperstown. But Bob Housem made

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<v Speaker 2>excuses for Pete Rose, as did a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>in the Cincinnati Reds organization in the nineteen seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>in the early discussions, Housm did not want Rose to

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<v Speaker 2>be manager. But as he pointed out, Bill Pete had

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<v Speaker 2>now crossed over the four thousand hit milestone. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, this is a sliding doors moment for me,

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<v Speaker 2>because when Pete comes back to Cincinnati, he really gets

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, also his addictions are getting worse than all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>His return to Cincinnati, his connections in the underworld, his

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like a alcoholic taking a job as a bartender,

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<v Speaker 1>not restrain his addictions. What addictions did Pete Rose have?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think without question he was a to gambling.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he himself would have denied that. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>facing a sentence team for federal tax evasion, and the

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<v Speaker 2>second time was in that self serving, shallow memoir that

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote in two thousand and four, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get himself reinstated back into baseball. Other than that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he always said that he was not addicted

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<v Speaker 2>to gambling. But you know, I did interviews with everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in his inner circle in the nineteen seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>three different men who placed Roses bets on baseball, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of them agreed that Pete was horribly addicted to

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<v Speaker 4>And it makes sense, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, because you know, people always say, well, why would

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<v Speaker 2>he do that. Why would he break this rule that

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<v Speaker 2>he would have known would get him banned for life. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the fact of the matter is is he

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<v Speaker 2>because he was addicted to gambling. And that's not to

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<v Speaker 2>minimize his decisions, but I do think that is the case.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Fall of

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose in the Last Glory Days of Baseball by

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<v Speaker 1>Keith O'Brien, and there's no better treaties. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to know the truth about Pete Rose, the good, the bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ugly, it's contained in that book. And Keith O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 1>I could spend hours and hours with you. We've only

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<v Speaker 1>scratched the surface. But if you're continue to be interested

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<v Speaker 1>as a listener and a fan, you have to get

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<v Speaker 1>the book. And it lays it all out. New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times bestseller Keith O'Brien and Keith's so many more stories,

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<v Speaker 1>so little time in life. And I know that Pete's

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<v Speaker 1>closest friends now are remembering the good times and not

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<v Speaker 1>the bad. I think the good times often live after

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<v Speaker 1>or a man the bad times need to be buried.

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<v Speaker 1>And your book says it all and does it all,

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<v Speaker 1>and you do it with class. Keith O'Brien, once again,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 4>Keith, thank you, thanks for having me. Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's continue fight My comments coming up next

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<v Speaker 1>plus later on more about Pete Rose's rise and fall

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<v Speaker 1>here in Cincinnati at your home of the Reds, the

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<v Speaker 1>Home of Pete Rose, News Radio seven hundred WLW. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Cunningham, the great American Keith or Brian laid it

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<v Speaker 1>up pretty well. You know he's from Cincinnati. The book

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Hussel describes the ups and downs, the ends and

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<v Speaker 1>the outs of the life of Pete Rose. You could

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<v Speaker 1>not have written a more tragic Greek drama than what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Pete Rose from beginning to the end. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you learned from Keith O'Brien the kernels of

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<v Speaker 1>that gambling addiction began at a very early age. As

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<v Speaker 1>you know, many of us have gambling problems. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>us have drug problems, many of us have alcoholic problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of us of sex addiction problems. Many of us

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<v Speaker 1>have difficulties addictions of one type or another. But Keith

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<v Speaker 1>or Brian lays out the fact that no one had

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<v Speaker 1>more of an addiction to gambling than that Pete Rose had,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more fame he received, the more he sought

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<v Speaker 1>to gamble because he could. And in Pete Rose's life,

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<v Speaker 1>there's never been anyone more identified with our town than

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose, because he was born here, raised here, and

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<v Speaker 1>said he didn't die here. But the big decision. I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to those close to Pete about where to where

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<v Speaker 1>to bury Pete Rose because his mom and dad are

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<v Speaker 1>buried here. Harry and his mom are here, But nonetheless

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<v Speaker 1>it is completely unknown at this point. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>keeping completely with the Pete Rose saga to have some

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<v Speaker 1>confusion about where is the body, Where's it going to

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<v Speaker 1>be buried, those kinds of things. But as I said

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<v Speaker 1>during the Keith or Brian interview, I could spend an

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<v Speaker 1>entire show on the piccadillos and the problems and the

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<v Speaker 1>addictions and the lies and the distortions of Pete Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>with the gam and with the bodybuilders, and with the

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<v Speaker 1>gangsters and all the rest. But I often believe that

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<v Speaker 1>when someone has passed on, it is kind of useless

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<v Speaker 1>and worthless to spend time thinking about how a great

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<v Speaker 1>man has fallen rather than spending time about the great

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<v Speaker 1>deeds that he did. And Johnny Bench this morning talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that, and then quite well, and that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And Pete Rose unexpectedly died. According to even

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<v Speaker 1>those closest to him, that when he was in Nashville

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday in a wheelchair. And Pete Rose, among many

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<v Speaker 1>other things, was quite vain about how he looked and

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<v Speaker 1>how he appeared. He never smoked, he never drank alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>to my knowledge, but he did look after his weight

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<v Speaker 1>by always eating salads. The letters he sent to me

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<v Speaker 1>from federal prison in Illinois talked about coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>Willis and Kenwood in order to have some of our

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<v Speaker 1>salads and going back in time. I really hooked up

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<v Speaker 1>with Pete Rose in a sense when he came back

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<v Speaker 1>in August of nineteen eighty four through nineteen ninety and

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<v Speaker 1>I spent time with him, lived at his place in

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<v Speaker 1>Plant City when he was the manager of Cincinnati. We've

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<v Speaker 1>played lots of golf together. I watched him bet on

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<v Speaker 1>football from his home on Bloom Road in Indian Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>He had three little TV sets set up. He had

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<v Speaker 1>the gold Sheet and the Feis Reports, calling in, calling

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<v Speaker 1>in bets to bookies, and spent time with him with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mike Pattaglia at Latonia race Course now Turfway in

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<v Speaker 1>the booth up with Mike making bets on horses. From

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<v Speaker 1>my personal experience, I never heard or saw him bet

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<v Speaker 1>on baseball, but I'm certain he did. I'm certain he did.

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<v Speaker 1>I had on Paul Janssen a few years back, and

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<v Speaker 1>many others that he had that addiction to. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if someone is addicted to sports betting, of course you

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<v Speaker 1>would bet on the sport you know the best. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course he had a lie about it. When I

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<v Speaker 1>talk about addictions, which we do quite often here, addictions

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<v Speaker 1>normally form early in life, and colonels are playing it

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<v Speaker 1>in one soul that later flourished. And Pete to spend

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<v Speaker 1>that time with his dad Harry, going to bars where

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<v Speaker 1>betting was ubiquitous, then going to the river downs the

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<v Speaker 1>belt on horses. Something was launched inside Pete Rose to

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<v Speaker 1>bet and to emulate his father. Many sons want to

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<v Speaker 1>be like their dads, and many daughters want to be

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<v Speaker 1>like their moms. And that's the way it was with

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose. And when he came back in August of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four, and that was because of March shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point Bob Houshim had taken over the

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<v Speaker 1>Pete and March Show was launched in Cincinnati from August

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<v Speaker 1>of eighty four until August of nineteen eighty nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>those five years it was spectacular, unbelievable. How about a

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<v Speaker 1>call from the President of the United States, Ronald Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>on the evening of September the eleventh, nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulating Pete. And later on I know my producer Dave

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<v Speaker 1>There was no one higher in sports, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>later on I may ask Tom Brennaman this question about

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<v Speaker 1>for those who were born sometime in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>The average American right now is about thirty years old.

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<v Speaker 1>First memories might be the early two thousands. They have

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<v Speaker 1>little or no memory of Pete Rose. If you could

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<v Speaker 1>imagine in football, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes together, they would

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<v Speaker 1>not have equalled what Pete Rose was to the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati and to the United States of America. When

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<v Speaker 1>the Reds toured Japan before the heyday of so many

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<v Speaker 1>great Japanese ballplayers, everybody wanted to touch and be touched

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<v Speaker 1>by Pete Rose. He was bigger than Big, bigger than that.

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<v Speaker 1>And football at that point, of course, was present here

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati, but NFL did not have the prevalence and

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<v Speaker 1>the presidents it has today. The book by Keith O'Brien

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Fall of Pete Rose during

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<v Speaker 1>its Golden Age. That was literally the Golden age. Each

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<v Speaker 1>and the brightest jewel, the brightest, the most valuable gold

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<v Speaker 1>was the Cincinnati Reds and Pete Rose. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>may think right now the Yankees might be real big

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<v Speaker 1>or the Dodgers, but think of this. Between nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five and nineteen ninety, which is a fifteen year period,

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<v Speaker 1>They won them all. Although Pete Rose was not with

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<v Speaker 1>the Reds of nineteen ninety, his club under Lou Penela,

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<v Speaker 1>won the World title in nineteen ninety. Cincinnati was the

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<v Speaker 1>baseball and the sports capital of the world, it was here, Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was Pete Rose. In fact, since nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>almost thirty years, the Reds have not won a playoff series.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last ten years the Reds were a full season,

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<v Speaker 1>have had one winning record in ten seasons, not counting

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<v Speaker 1>So the Reds have fallen, shall we say, almost to

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<v Speaker 1>But for a long period of time from the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties sixty one the World Series here at Crossley

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<v Speaker 1>Field with Mickey Mantle and Roger Merrison and Whitey Ford

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<v Speaker 1>and all the rest. And for the Reds at George

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<v Speaker 1>of America, and when the Reds in nineteen seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>swept the Yankees swept the Yankees team, Cincinnati was recognized

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<v Speaker 1>as America's sports town. The UC Bearcats had gone to

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<v Speaker 1>five consecutive Final fours, culminating with national titles. In sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, and sixty one, the Reds go to the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series against the Yankees, and seventy to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series. In seventy two, they go to the

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<v Speaker 1>They go back in seventy five seventy six and win

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<v Speaker 1>Keith O'Brian talk about the fact that in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Red's leadership did not want to keep Pete Rose because

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<v Speaker 1>they feared a number one. He was thirty seven years old,

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<v Speaker 1>but number two. They knew all the rumblings about Pete

422
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<v Speaker 1>Rose's nasty associations with individuals that he lied repeatedly about,

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<v Speaker 1>purposely lied. So when we hooked up in nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>became friends. I opened up Willy's Sports Cafe in Kenwood

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty nine and Pete Rose was a regular visitor.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave me the forty two to fifty six ball

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<v Speaker 1>that set the all time record in the bat that

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<v Speaker 1>we displayed at Willie's. I would go with him on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday's to his home on Bloom Road, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat starstruck at the time. By that point I had

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<v Speaker 1>met Ronald Reagan and I met Bush forty one. I

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<v Speaker 1>met these big shots, so to speak. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>no one in this Deer Park kid's heart more sacred

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<v Speaker 1>to me than Pete Rose because he was to me

435
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<v Speaker 1>a living god. No one could spend time with Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Rose and not feel as if it was a great day.

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<v Speaker 1>The greatest radio in the history of this company, and

438
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<v Speaker 1>that says a lot going back one hundred and two years,

439
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:34.079
<v Speaker 1>was interviews between Bob Trumpy and Pete Rose Rose on baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>then later on all the interviews that Marty Brenneman had

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<v Speaker 1>with Pete after games from before and also Tom Brenneman

442
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<v Speaker 1>hosting the Johnny Bench Pete Rose shows that were just

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable and there was no bigger character in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati. With all due respect to the presidents that

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<v Speaker 1>have come here from here, and the great leaders of

446
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>our society like the Carl Linders and the John Barretts

447
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 1>and the Fifth Third Bang and the Joseph Automotive Group,

448
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:06.119
<v Speaker 1>and Procter and Gamble, but the one person identified with

449
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati was Pete Rose. So when this kid from Deer

450
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Park had time to spend with Pete Rose to he

451
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.559
<v Speaker 1>asked me to throw batting practice to the pitchers in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine, which I did, to

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<v Speaker 1>walk in that locker room at Riverfront Stadium and to

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<v Speaker 1>put on a retch uniform and to walk out to

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<v Speaker 1>the mound and throw batting practice. I said, Pete, I

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00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 1>can't thank you enough. He said, man, it's no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And from that point on we became closer and closer friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was with them, talking to him regularly in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eight, eight eighty eight, especially nineteen eighty nine, when

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<v Speaker 1>he had all of his difficulties. He lied repeatedly about

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00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 1>his bettings and his associations. And the money is owed

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<v Speaker 1>to bookmakers. Some nasty characters in New York connections to

463
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<v Speaker 1>the mob, et cetera. So when all this began to erupt,

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<v Speaker 1>he would feed to me and and do Bob Trump

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<v Speaker 1>the information about why it was innocent and trumpy, and

466
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<v Speaker 1>I went with it one percent because we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>believe the lie. In the back of our minds, we

468
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to think somehow they weren't true, because we knew

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<v Speaker 1>the results of that would be ugly. And even during

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<v Speaker 1>the negotiations in July and August, when Pete Rose appeared

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<v Speaker 1>in Hamlety County Common Police Court in front of Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Norbert natal to get an injunction that would stop Major

473
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 1>League Baseball from further investigating Pete Rose and from suspending him.

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<v Speaker 1>Pete and I spoke almost daily at that point because

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Norbert Nato and I were friends, and Nato had

476
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<v Speaker 1>a chair up on his bench about six feet to

477
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>us right with me sitting in it, and so I

478
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 1>knew what Nato was going to do, which was grant

479
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.839
<v Speaker 1>the injunction against Major League Baseball that further took a

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<v Speaker 1>broomstick to the beehive of Abbargiamadi and Major League Baseball

481
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<v Speaker 1>and said we can't have that. They had the case

482
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<v Speaker 1>removed a federal court under certain federal provisions, and the

483
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<v Speaker 1>case proceeded in court. That is alved. The injunction and

484
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<v Speaker 1>the rest I always say is history. One cannot imagine

485
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>a high or high in human life than Pete Rose's

486
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>life in Cincinnati. There was nothing similar to that that's

487
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.759
<v Speaker 1>ever happened before or since. He was us and we

488
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 1>were He was Fountain Square. That was Pete Rose, and

489
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the idea that in November of nineteen ninety, which was

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00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 1>a little over a year and four months since he

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<v Speaker 1>was suspended for life, and Pete Rose thought he was

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00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 1>getting back within one year. Then Pete Rose continued to

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00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 1>lie at that news conference saying he never been on baseball,

494
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>which of course was a lie. But nonetheless I received

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00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>a letter from his from Marian Federal Institution in Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>from Pete Rose. He sent me two letters November of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety and I'm not going to share on the

498
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 1>air what the letters say, but they were profound. He

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00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>asked Pete asked me to do some favors for him

500
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<v Speaker 1>of a deminimous character here in town, and I, of

501
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 1>course I said I would. Then he would when he

502
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 1>had phone privileges he called me now and then we spoke.

503
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>He was beyond embarrassed, but this was a tough guy.

504
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 1>He would sign autographs, he'd be on the phone from

505
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 1>federal prison to relatives of inmates who were really bums

506
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>who deserve to be there. Pete Rose did not deserve

507
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>to be there. To do little favors for other inmates,

508
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that his life went as smooth as possible.

509
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>The saddest moment. This is a kid from Deer Park

510
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 1>who watched Pete Rose nine to eleven eighty five, who

511
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<v Speaker 1>spent time with March Shott, who loved Pete Rose as

512
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>much as I could, and who talk with him regularly

513
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>because of my legal background and my friendliness. Our houses

514
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 1>were about a mile apart. And to get that letter

515
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<v Speaker 1>from Federal Correction Institute, Marion, Illinois, and then to get

516
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<v Speaker 1>another letter about three months later, and Judge Spiegel, may

517
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>God rest his soul, never should have put Pete Rose

518
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 1>in prison for like five months. But he demanded the

519
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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose go to a quote halfway house in Cincinnati

520
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>for a few more months. And Pete wanted to go

521
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 1>back to Florida. He had a home and planted city

522
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.319
<v Speaker 1>which most people. Most inmates are released to where the

523
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 1>family is, but not Pete Rose, who he committed crimes,

524
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 1>numerous sins and crimes. But to incarcerate Pete Rose didn't

525
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 1>make any of us safer. But Jude Spieger wanted to

526
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>grind it in a little bit further to put him in

527
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<v Speaker 1>a halfway house, through a Talbot house somewhere on Vine Street,

528
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 1>like twenty second in Vine. So I'd go down there

529
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<v Speaker 1>every now and then to see Pete and he was

530
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 1>able to get out during the day to so called work,

531
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 1>he had some community service to do, and to sit

532
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 1>there with him at six or seven o'clock at night.

533
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.359
<v Speaker 1>He had an individual bunk bed along with drug addicts

534
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and murderers and gamblers in some halfway house. And Pete

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00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Rose was lower than low. He went from telephone calls

536
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>from Ronald Reagan, wine dined and pocket lined, from MVP

537
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>to the most honored baseball not no, the most honored

538
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.559
<v Speaker 1>athlete in America in the nineteen seventies eighties, to a

539
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 1>half way house run by Talbert on twenty second and Vine,

540
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? And that was Pete Rose. And

541
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>after that our two paths more or less separated because

542
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>he found himself going back to Florida, then back to

543
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, and every now and then we would reconnect.

544
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.839
<v Speaker 1>He was always there for a basketball game. He was

545
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>always there for the Corps All Stars. I got a

546
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>great picture I may put online of Mike McConnell, May

547
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 1>and Pete getting ready for a baseball game. And there

548
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 1>was no more friendly, happy, go lucky person to be around,

549
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 1>positive person than Pete Rose. But that core of him

550
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>was self destructive, almost suicidal. He could not accept the

551
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 1>love and the admiration of you and I because he

552
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 1>had this need to have the feelings of self pity.

553
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>By that, I mean this many people that have an addiction,

554
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 1>especially a gambling addiction, they want to keep gambling until

555
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>they lose a lot because their image of themselves is

556
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 1>so bad that Pete Rose had to confirm that image

557
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>by engaging in gambling activities that would make him feel

558
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>horribly destructive, because that confirmed the viewpoint that Pete had

559
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of himself. Now he's moved on, and I could spend

560
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>hours talking about the peccadillos that sins in the crimes

561
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 1>of Pete Rose. But wise Man once said that when

562
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 1>someone has died us. Let the bad being turned with

563
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>his bones, and let the good live on in our memories.

564
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And my god, what memories we'll all have of Pete Rose.

565
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<v Speaker 1>They're truly unbelievable. All right, let's continue. We have Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Brenneman coming up in about ten minutes to talk about

567
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the life and times of Tom Brenneman met him and

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<v Speaker 1>I think when he was about ten years old and

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<v Speaker 1>on and off with Pete. I talked to Marty this

570
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<v Speaker 1>morning and he's gonna he's a said, I can't do interviews,

571
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<v Speaker 1>So when Marty's ready to talk, we'll do that. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>continue with more Bill Cunningham, the Home of Pete Rose.

573
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<v Speaker 1>News Radio seven hundred WLW tie, let's continue remembering the

574
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<v Speaker 1>life and times of Pete Rose. Joining you and I

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<v Speaker 1>now is Tom Brenneman and Tom Brenneman. Welcome again to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. And can you go back in

577
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<v Speaker 1>time to the first time you have a memory of

578
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.079
<v Speaker 1>meeting Pete Rose.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean like it happened yesterday. Thanks for having

580
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<v Speaker 6>me on, Willy. I was ten years old and we

581
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<v Speaker 6>were living in Virginia Beach, Virginia, where my dad was

582
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<v Speaker 6>announcing the ABA and Minor League baseball, and he got

583
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<v Speaker 6>the Reds job in seventy four and our family had.

584
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<v Speaker 4>Not yet moved.

585
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 6>My dad had gone to spring training in Tampa where

586
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 6>the Reds were training at that time, back at all

587
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 6>Al Lopez Field, and so my mom and sister and

588
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 6>I went down there and walked in the clubhouse and

589
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.079
<v Speaker 6>Pete was one of the first four guys. I'm at

590
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.159
<v Speaker 6>Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, and Tony Perez, and.

591
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 4>You know they would have it.

592
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<v Speaker 6>You know, I was running around the ballpark all those years.

593
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<v Speaker 6>It was incredible because even to this day, I think

594
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 6>back and I'm like, did that really happen? You know

595
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 6>it was we were allowed we being the kids, so

596
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 6>whether it was Pete Junior, Ken, Griffy Junior, whoever, right,

597
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 6>we were allowed to go in the clubhouse. But Dick

598
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.840
<v Speaker 6>Wagner would not allow kids in the press box. So

599
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 6>I'd go down with my dad early. I knew all

600
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 6>the players on a first name basis, every single one

601
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 6>of them. I got to go in Sparky Anderson's office

602
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.079
<v Speaker 6>every day when my dad taped the manager show, and

603
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 6>when the game started, I'm sitting in the stands by

604
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<v Speaker 6>myself or either with Jeff Ruby.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any sense at that point you're a

606
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<v Speaker 1>ten year old kid, and you know, a fifty year

607
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>old man's a whole bunch different than a ten year

608
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<v Speaker 1>old kid. You did you understand later in life as

609
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>you matured and grew that the rise in the fall

610
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<v Speaker 1>September eleven, nineteen eighty five, almost gosh, forty years ago.

611
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<v Speaker 1>And then I reflected on visiting Pete Rose in a

612
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<v Speaker 1>Talvert halfway house in February of nineteen ninety one that

613
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<v Speaker 1>he came out of federal prison. And I'm thinking, as

614
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 1>a kid that grew up here in Cincinnati, as you did,

615
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>that talk about the highest of highs than the lowest

616
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<v Speaker 1>the lowest. Is there any indication during those early years

617
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<v Speaker 1>in your memories that there was a fatal flaw or

618
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<v Speaker 1>an addiction to Pete Rose that would absolutely collapse him.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any indication?

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<v Speaker 6>No, because I wouldn't know enough to understand it. I mean,

621
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<v Speaker 6>you know, had I been maybe seventeen or eighteen or

622
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 6>something like that, you know, perhaps then, but Pete had

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<v Speaker 6>already left as a free agent by the right, and

624
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 6>so you know, but you know, strangely enough, the way

625
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 6>things work out, thank God, is you know, I meet

626
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<v Speaker 6>him at ten years old, and then at twenty four,

627
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<v Speaker 6>I'm the announcer for the Reds. Pete is the manager

628
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 6>of the Reds, and I'm doing the games on television

629
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 6>with Johnny Bench, and I had to do this weekly

630
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 6>show that we had on Channel five at the time

631
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 6>called the Pete and Johnny Show, and I was the

632
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.079
<v Speaker 6>host of the show and you know, as yes, the

633
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 6>play by play guy for fifty five games a year,

634
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:48.320
<v Speaker 6>but I also was an anchor and reporter at Channel five.

635
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 6>So during that whole thing of nineteen eighty nine and

636
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 6>spring training and then carrying into the regular season, all

637
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 6>the way to actually being physically being at that press

638
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Speaker 6>conference at Riverfront Stadium when Jamadi announced that Pete would

639
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 6>be fired, and if Pete had his you know, subsequent

640
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 6>press conference, I was at all those and it's I mean,

641
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 6>you just encapsulated the best. I mean, you go from

642
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.599
<v Speaker 6>being on the phone with Ronald Reagan after you break

643
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 6>the all time hits record, and four years later you

644
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 6>can't get near a baseball stage, and then you're in jail.

645
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.519
<v Speaker 1>It's impossible that fall that high and that low. And

646
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 1>if somebody would say to you, you got to call

647
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>from New York and Los Angeles Chicago. You did a

648
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of Cubs games for years, signed Harry Carey. Somebody

649
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>would say to Tom Brenneman, who was Pete Rose? Now

650
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>that he's dead, what answer would you give? Who was

651
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose?

652
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 6>I'll tell you he was one of the most engaging

653
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 6>people I've ever been around. And look, I have more

654
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 6>than my share of faults, darned near every single one

655
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 6>of them, and in some cases it paid the price,

656
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 6>like Pete did, professionally, paid the price personally in a

657
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.039
<v Speaker 6>lot of ways. And so it's not my job to

658
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 6>judge other people and some of the things they do.

659
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 4>We know that there is justice in this world. There's

660
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 4>right and there's wrong. We know that.

661
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 6>But if you ask me to describe my experience with

662
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 6>Pete Roath, I have nothing but incredible things to say

663
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 6>about the guy.

664
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 4>When when I lost my job.

665
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 6>Back in twenty twenty, and I was trying to, you know,

666
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 6>launch this podcast, and you'd get anybody on who would

667
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 6>come on, and a lot of people couldn't or.

668
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Wouldn't or whatever the case may be. And that's fine.

669
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 6>No big deal, no hard feelings, but the two people

670
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 6>that always were always there for me, and I've never

671
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 6>forgotten it, and I never will as long as I

672
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 6>live where Bob Huggins and Pete Road and you know,

673
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 6>Pete was one of those guys, and you know Will

674
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 6>You've been around him a ton of times. You know,

675
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 6>he's one of those guys where you know, if you

676
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 6>were going to be somewhere with him, and you're sitting

677
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 6>somewhere with him and he's holding court and everybody's laughing,

678
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 6>and he's treating everybody like a million bucks funny beyond belief.

679
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 6>Vulgar and crew would beyond believe. It didn't matter if

680
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 6>he was talking to a president or Billy Graham or

681
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, Rick Stowe or Bernie Stowe. He was the

682
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 6>same guy. And if the night was supposed to end

683
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 6>at midnight, you didn't want it to end at midnight. No,

684
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 6>you just wanted to sit there and just shut up

685
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 6>and listen. And every now and again, if there was

686
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 6>a lull, you just poked the bear a little bit

687
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 6>and here we go again.

688
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>How would you describe the best interview the interviews Trumpy

689
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 1>and Rose had the interviews that you had Pete and

690
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>John in the interviews, your dad had Marty and Joe

691
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>and Pete. I mean, it's never it's gone. It's called

692
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the glory days of baseball, which I think can't exist

693
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 1>anymore because of all kinds of reasons that they're gone

694
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 1>with the wind. And the average American is about thirty

695
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>years old. So the average person alive today has a

696
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 1>memory nothing about Pete Rose the person, but rather his

697
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>addictions and his gambling and all that stuff. When I

698
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>did some interviews last night, it was all about Pete

699
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Rose's gambling, and they moved on, we got the Israeli,

700
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.840
<v Speaker 1>we got this, we got that, But Pete Rose it's increased.

701
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.199
<v Speaker 1>No one could have made up what happened with Pete

702
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Rose beginning of nineteen sixty three when they had the

703
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.639
<v Speaker 1>triple off Bob Friend at Crosley Field. Nobody could have

704
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 1>recalled September of the eleventh, nineteen eighty five when he

705
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>broke that record, and nobody could have thought about what

706
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>happened in the spring and summer of nineteen eighty nine.

707
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 1>For those five or six years, you could not have

708
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.079
<v Speaker 1>made it up. So for many a younger folks, they

709
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.559
<v Speaker 1>it's like you and I talking about Babe Ruth or

710
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Joe Demaggio. Your last memories? Do you recall your last

711
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>contact with Pete Rose and what it was?

712
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was, it was here in town.

713
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 4>It was in an event I think I think it was.

714
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 6>It was one of the local high schools and he

715
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 6>was air at a stag and I had a chance

716
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 6>to spend a lot of time around in that day.

717
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I was I don't want to sit here

718
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 6>and try to act like.

719
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 4>I was as close to him as my dad was.

720
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.920
<v Speaker 6>My dad is just, you know, he's really really having

721
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 6>a hard time.

722
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Man.

723
00:40:55.159 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 6>You know, his two best friends in baseball were Joe

724
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 6>and Pete Rose, and as we know, you know, both

725
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.199
<v Speaker 6>of them have have have moved on, you know, in

726
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 6>the last two years, and he is just, I guess

727
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 6>just it was just last week where he was with

728
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 6>some of the guys from the Big Red Machine, Concepcion

729
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 6>and Tony Perez and George Foster and a couple of

730
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 6>others that and you know, no one thought that, at

731
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:24.880
<v Speaker 6>least from.

732
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.519
<v Speaker 4>What my dad's shared with me, that he had been told.

733
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 6>That anybody thought that, you know, there was something going

734
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 6>on that would have.

735
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 4>Led to what happened yesterday.

736
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 6>You know, we all get to be in our eighties,

737
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.639
<v Speaker 6>you know, and I see it with my dad and

738
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 6>and you know, Willie and friends of yours.

739
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, you get to you get to that age

740
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 4>and I mean, you.

741
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 6>Know, Lord knows anything that happen any day. But it's

742
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 6>just you know, when you talk about the about the

743
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 6>younger generation, and I've said this forever, you know, you

744
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 6>could make a very strong case that in the nineteen seventies,

745
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 6>in the nineteen eighties, before the gambling stuff, that the

746
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 6>only two athletes that were more well known in the

747
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:09.119
<v Speaker 6>world than Pete Rose were Pele and Muhammad Ali.

748
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 1>No, no question, no, no.

749
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 4>They were obviously.

750
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 6>These big international stars, but Pete Rose was a bit.

751
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 6>When Pete Rose went on the baseball trip to Japan.

752
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.360
<v Speaker 6>And now this is long before we have many Japanese players.

753
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 6>It's nothing like it is today. And you know, you

754
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 6>don't want to sound like the old man, you know,

755
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 6>turning back the clock, but I mean to try to

756
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 6>put it into context.

757
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:32.239
<v Speaker 4>That's what it was.

758
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 6>There is not a football player today, and football owns

759
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 6>the world as we know it, right or at least

760
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 6>the United States right there, is not a football player,

761
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 6>not Patrick Mahomes, not Joe Burrow, not Aaron Rodgers, pick

762
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 6>anybody you want. There has not been a football player

763
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 6>in the last thirty years that came anywhere close to

764
00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 6>the popularity that Pete Rose had in his heyday in

765
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 6>the seventies and eighties. He was the face of the

766
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 6>most popular sport in America by far. And the things

767
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.719
<v Speaker 6>he accomplished in the things that he did, and you know,

768
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 6>the style in which he played. I mean, he was

769
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 6>one of those guys you know. I mean people like

770
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 6>around here, they don't hate Patrick Mahomes. No, you know,

771
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 6>if if if you, if you were a Dodger fan,

772
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.800
<v Speaker 6>or a cub fan, or a Phillies fan or whoever,

773
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 6>you know, you hated Pete Rose. But man, you wanted

774
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 6>him on your team all.

775
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Day, every day in a foxhole you want you want

776
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to be with Pete I had On earlier, Keith O'Brien wrote,

777
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 1>I think the defensive book on Pete Rose called Charlie Hustle,

778
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 1>The Rise and Fall of Pete Rose and the Glory

779
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Days of Baseball. What was it about the sixties, the seventies,

780
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 1>the eighties, Something baseball changed Football changed. There was no soccer,

781
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>despite the glories of Pele in New York, et cetera.

782
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Saca was in the sport, and the Bengals in the

783
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 1>NFL in the seventies, eighties or not. Was not the

784
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 1>dominant sport. It was baseball. And there was no one

785
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 1>in baseball who was more a symbol of that game

786
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 1>than Pete Rose and the Cincinnatians. We took that wonderfully.

787
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Is this is our this is our guy. We're going

788
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>to protect him for the diehard. When I look at

789
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 1>the statue of Pete Rose sliding in the third some

790
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 1>have said that's where his coffin should be. It should

791
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 1>be underneath the statue at Great American Ballpark. And I

792
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 1>talked to your dad this morning. We have no one

793
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 1>has any idea where that where the body's going to

794
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 1>be interred. Is his family his mom and dad are here.

795
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Uh No, one is going to be complete confusion. If

796
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 1>it's anything like Pete Rose's life, there'll be complete confusion.

797
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Where to have the funeral, where to do it or not?

798
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows. But doesn't he belong to be buried somewhere

799
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati?

800
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 4>Oh well, there's no doubt about that.

801
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, I you know, I was talking

802
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:02.000
<v Speaker 6>about his popularity during this seventh these in eighties, and

803
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 6>and you know again, I think you could and there's

804
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 6>probably somebody out there.

805
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 4>That would contradict me on this, and they'd probably be right.

806
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 6>But I don't know if there's ever been a public figure, politics,

807
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 6>whatever it might be, certainly athlete in this country that

808
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 6>is more completely entwined with their home city than Pete

809
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:33.159
<v Speaker 6>Rose was. I mean, he was Cincinnati and everybody on

810
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 6>the planet knew it, everybody, and you know, he epitomized

811
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 6>so many things that make our city so great, you know,

812
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Speaker 6>humble beginning, parents hard charging stayed together, raised him on

813
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 6>the west side of town, followed his dad everywhere like

814
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 6>a puppy, you know, around some gruff and tough other

815
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 6>guys that were friends with his dad, that played sports

816
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 6>with his dad, maximized his guy given talent to the

817
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 6>utmost and laid everything out on the line every single

818
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 6>time he walked on the field. You know, the year

819
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.079
<v Speaker 6>is what one went by for me, William baseball where

820
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 6>you know, thirty one years announcin it and my dad

821
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 6>was obviously a lot longer than that. But you know,

822
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 6>in this day and age, would I have a greater

823
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 6>appreciation for him more than anything or two things. Number One,

824
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:29.320
<v Speaker 6>even though he was an extremely selfish player in that

825
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 6>he wanted to get two hundred hits a year, hit

826
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 6>three hundred every year, all those kinds of things, he

827
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 6>was at the same time perhaps the most unselfish star

828
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 6>of his time and arguably of all time. He comes

829
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 6>up as his second basement. They asked him to go

830
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 6>to the outfield. They acquired George Foster in the trade

831
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 6>for the Giants. They asked him to go to third

832
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 6>when he's already in his thirties. You know this guy

833
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 6>would do it, goes to first base later. He did

834
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 6>everything that you asked him to do.

835
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:03.920
<v Speaker 4>And the other thing is.

836
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 6>The availability to play every day. I mean, everybody knows.

837
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.360
<v Speaker 4>About cal Ripken Street.

838
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 6>He could have easily been Pete Rose, but Sparky made

839
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 6>him days off from time to time. He Rose never

840
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 6>wanted a day off.

841
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 7>He was never hurt.

842
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Ever.

843
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we hear about guys, you know, tweaking their hamstring. Now,

844
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 6>I might not beating up on the current player because

845
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:32.039
<v Speaker 6>he's a tough guy, but I mean for him to

846
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 6>do over twenty five plus years and the style and

847
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 6>reckless abandon with which he played. To think that he's

848
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 6>so infrequently ever had a day off for that long,

849
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 6>almost three decades, is just incredible.

850
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I know your dad is your dad is profoundly affected

851
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>by this, and he'll give an interview later on. But

852
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 1>he said, when you lose Joe and then you leave

853
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Pete and you reflect upon your own mortality. And I

854
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>said to your dad this morning, I said, how is

855
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 1>it that you're in your eighties. You look better now

856
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 1>than you look when you're in your thirties forties. He said,

857
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 1>it was jeans, and it's the fact that I walk

858
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>every day. But he said, he said, my heart's broken.

859
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 4>And I said, a lot of people that feel that way.

860
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 6>You know, there are a lot of people that are

861
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 6>going to point out, like you said, you know, in

862
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 6>different callers and so forth, they're they're going to choose

863
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.639
<v Speaker 6>to remember the negative stuff and the bad stuff.

864
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 4>It was all there.

865
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.239
<v Speaker 8>But you know, for those of us that had a

866
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:36.920
<v Speaker 8>chance to see the other side and grateful and blessed

867
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 8>for it to see the other side. But I am

868
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 8>really amazed by how many people want to bring up

869
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.039
<v Speaker 8>some of the stuff that you know, some of it

870
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.760
<v Speaker 8>was proven, others it was not.

871
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 4>I just I don't understand it. But you know, maybe

872
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm just getting old.

873
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing is, I think Roman said that, Uh,

874
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 1>but the good lives long after. Let the bad be

875
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>interred with the bones. And I think today is not

876
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.280
<v Speaker 1>a day to rehash all the difficulties Pete Rose had

877
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>with the attics and the gamblers, and the and the

878
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>gangsters and the steroids, et cetera. It's the time to

879
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>celebrate all the positive aspects of Pete Rose.

880
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 6>I God for you, Willie for for for making that

881
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 6>what you're talking about.

882
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Tom Brenneman, thank you very much, and we'll do it again.

883
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, buddy, Thank.

884
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 4>You God bless you well.

885
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Well, let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham, the

886
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Home of Pete Rose, News Radio seven hundred w l

887
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.320
<v Speaker 1>w K Pete Rose.

888
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 9>What a man really want from enough to shape, not

889
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 9>fancy perfume, not fancy bottle Nott Matcy prices. A man

890
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 9>wants to smell like a man.

891
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, he wants to be cool.

892
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 4>Every friend that's not about.

893
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.920
<v Speaker 9>A man wants to feel like a man, feel like

894
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 9>a man.

895
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Hello, Buiet, and I'm I'm broadcasting God segment. Are you

896
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 1>an achela velvet man? You want to smell like a man?

897
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 6>Or not?

898
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Always? Your memories of Pete Rose? Can you remember Joe

899
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Amagio and Pete Rose? Oh and you and me? Correct

900
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Willy tell the story. Well, we're down.

901
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 9>We're down in the Rose's office like after a ball game, right,

902
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 9>I don't know who they were playing. It was one

903
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.920
<v Speaker 9>a night game and we're sitting there and we're just

904
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 9>shooting at you know what, and this and that back

905
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.719
<v Speaker 9>and forth, and we said, hey, we got to get

906
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 9>you know, we got to get out of here, Get

907
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 9>out of here. So it's like ten thirty at night

908
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.840
<v Speaker 9>or something, and it's like, okay. He says, wait a minute,

909
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.719
<v Speaker 9>reaches up on the very top of his locker in

910
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 9>the in the manager's office, throws me a baseball and

911
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:54.199
<v Speaker 9>you a baseball.

912
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.559
<v Speaker 1>So I was like and it's like, oh okay.

913
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 9>So I looked at it and Pete Rose, excellent, got

914
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 9>a ball, being Pete Row, you got one?

915
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

916
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:08.119
<v Speaker 9>I go walking through the foury A of the clubhouse.

917
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.400
<v Speaker 9>I turned the ball over and it's signed by Joe

918
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 9>Demaggio and I'm going, what Willie did? You look at

919
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 9>the ball. I said, what is that? He says, no,

920
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 9>you turned you look at it. He goes, what the well.

921
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>He'd been he'd been at a signing show one of

922
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the and Joe Demajo and he asked Joe about the

923
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>personal behavior of Marilyn mo the Roe. But that's a

924
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>different issue, correct, And my ball? Do you used to

925
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>have the ball? Yes? I took it home. About two

926
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 1>years later, my son, my young son, Evan, plays hardball

927
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 1>with it out and they out in the yard. It

928
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>gets into the street and they lose it. And then

929
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Pete hears about it. He says, I'll send you to

930
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the ball and I said, hey, great, So he sends

931
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 1>me a Joe Demajo signed ball. This wasn't signed by Pete,

932
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.760
<v Speaker 1>just Joe. And I said, okay. I put in one

933
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.719
<v Speaker 1>of those uh yeah, the plastic halls over. I put

934
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>in the basement. And over the years, every now and

935
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>then I'm looking on what happened to that ball? It's gone.

936
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 1>We had numerous boys and girls, Evans, friends and family.

937
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.199
<v Speaker 1>It's staying all is staying there in the basement all

938
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the time. Yeah, and it simply walked out the front door.

939
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.679
<v Speaker 1>So I don't have it anymore? Wow, Norm wal I

940
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 1>get one, but I Wow, that's it. That's like, I

941
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:19.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know what to say people.

942
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 9>That's like the story of Tom the last out of

943
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 9>the Ball of Perfect Game by the late Tom Brownie.

944
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 1>September sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight.

945
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 9>He put it up on the mantel and all of

946
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.239
<v Speaker 9>a sudden he looked one day is not there And

947
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 9>he looked at his kid. He says, yeah, we needed

948
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.440
<v Speaker 9>a baseball, so we played with that. When I think

949
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 9>it's out in the woods somewhere.

950
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine Joe Knuxall, Joe Morgan, Pete Rose. Well,

951
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I tell you what.

952
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.639
<v Speaker 9>You put those guys in a round table going with

953
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 9>the way, that would be the greatest show on earth.

954
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you're right.

955
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.920
<v Speaker 9>I mean, you know, no cause of death yet for Pete,

956
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 9>but he was just there tonight, Willy on Sports Talk,

957
00:52:58.360 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 9>you're here from Tommy Helms.

958
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Good right there. Pete's all the way, mate. He lives

959
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 1>in about two miles from here, right Tommy Helms. The

960
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 1>great number nineteen. You'll hear from Doug Flynn. He's the

961
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>key clog of the nineteen seventy six glue. Yeah.

962
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 9>And then you'll hear from Chris Sabo. Chris Sabo was

963
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 9>with Pete in Nashville over the weekend with the signing

964
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:27.639
<v Speaker 9>with Senior Dave Concepci, owned, Tony Perez and George Foster.

965
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.079
<v Speaker 1>And then, uh, you know, he must have left Nashville

966
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>late at night, arrived in Las Vegas and died I

967
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 1>assume in bed a few hours later. One would think

968
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of a heart because Johnny Bench said earlier that he

969
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't himself right. You know, Pete wouldn't get his knees

970
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.880
<v Speaker 1>done because he didn't want to be walking through an

971
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.880
<v Speaker 1>airport using canes and every people. That's what happened with

972
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Joe Morgan watching him, he said, got an infection into

973
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:54.599
<v Speaker 1>a couple of his knees and that was it. And

974
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 1>then he ends up in a in a wheelchair in Nashville,

975
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 1>dies by himself in a darkened room. And Las Vegas.

976
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Where will he be buried? I'd say underneath underneath the statue.

977
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Put the casket right there underneath the statue in front

978
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 1>of the Great American Ballpark. Do they lie in state

979
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 1>at Great American Ballpark? Well?

980
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.760
<v Speaker 9>Someone could does that line will be from here all

981
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.480
<v Speaker 9>the way around the world twice.

982
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, someone's got to get control. I don't know who

983
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the executor is, but it's in Clark County, which I

984
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.159
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, we don't have any arrangements yet.

985
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know sure we'll find out Mom and dad

986
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 1>are buried here. I think this is where Pete needs

987
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.639
<v Speaker 1>to be. I think so maybe Donald'll take someone will

988
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 1>take control.

989
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:40.719
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994
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997
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<v Speaker 9>I say, we have a quote.

998
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Here from a fan of yours about segment Dennison and

999
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose that you're the last man he gave a

1000
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 1>shower to do you recall showering with Pete Rose?

1001
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.159
<v Speaker 9>No, that was that Mike McConnell played that this morning's right,

1002
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 9>that was edited?

1003
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Is the last man I gave a shower too? He

1004
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 1>was talking. Is that true? No? Because I just how

1005
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you're calling Pete Rose a liar. Well, he let me

1006
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.239
<v Speaker 1>explain it, answer that question.

1007
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.159
<v Speaker 9>He talked, He talked about it, and he said that

1008
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 9>that was when he was in Vietnam with Joe DiMaggio

1009
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 9>and somebody put my name in there.

1010
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:51.480
<v Speaker 1>You're making that up to hide your own intimacy. A

1011
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 1>pet Rose, it's a I. I. Did you have a

1012
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 1>shower with Pete Rohase? No? Did he give you nooks

1013
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and crannies? No? Did you take care of him and shower? No?

1014
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Yay or nay? Nay? Go ahead, of course.

1015
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 9>The Hall of Famer passing away yesterday. Willie had eighty

1016
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 9>three seventeen time All Star, all time Major League leader

1017
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.400
<v Speaker 9>and hits, games played, at bats and singles, three World Series,

1018
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 9>three batting titles, an MVP award to only two Gold Gloves.

1019
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 9>Got to be kidding, and named of the Major League

1020
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 9>Baseball All Century Team. Now, with your expertise, does he

1021
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 9>get in? No, they don't think so. You don't think

1022
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 9>Cooperstown had a little bit of a like They'll go no, yeah, no,

1023
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 9>we'll put him in now that he's gone.

1024
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.719
<v Speaker 1>The reason him alive, The reason is it's the Veterans

1025
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Committee that's got to do all that's true, you're right,

1026
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>And when the Veterans Committee have been asked repeatedly about

1027
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose, there's unanimity. Correctly not go in. Right, he's

1028
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 1>got to get seventy five percent of the vote and

1029
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.039
<v Speaker 1>not one of them say yes. And when Joe Morgan

1030
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:59.159
<v Speaker 1>was in charge of the Veterans Committee, right, he worked

1031
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:03.599
<v Speaker 1>tirelessly do you have Pete Rose become eligible then to

1032
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 1>have the veterans vote and no point could he convince

1033
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 1>bud Sea League and needed to be done. And Bud

1034
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 1>told Joe Morgan that if this happens, do you think

1035
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose is going to embarrass us again? And the

1036
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 1>answer would be yes.

1037
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.760
<v Speaker 9>Nick Martinez or the Reds Willie as the National League

1038
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 9>pitcher of the Month for September. He went four and

1039
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:29.039
<v Speaker 9>one over the month, thirty strikeouts, opponents bat in one

1040
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 9>sixty one against him eighty three e.

1041
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 1>R for the month.

1042
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 9>And he can opt out to become a free agent.

1043
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:41.559
<v Speaker 9>Who Nick Martinez, I love it, jest they keep him?

1044
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 9>Do you keep the team together that looks good on paper.

1045
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 9>Or do you tear the team apart because they finished

1046
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:48.880
<v Speaker 9>once again? I don't think you tear the team apart.

1047
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 9>I think you gotta take you got to You gotta

1048
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:54.480
<v Speaker 9>get hitters. You got pitching out the wazoo. Now which

1049
00:57:55.159 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 9>for the green Abbott Uh Costello? Who Evan cous tellam

1050
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:06.360
<v Speaker 9>yeah him too. You got pitching, Graham Ashcraft, You got

1051
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.719
<v Speaker 9>pitching right. You got Conye hillers coming at yeah, neat

1052
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 9>hitters instead of like these guys that just hit on

1053
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:15.679
<v Speaker 9>the interstate all year long. See you what would want

1054
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.639
<v Speaker 9>to be a Bengals update brought to you by Good Spirits,

1055
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 9>Winding Tobacco party Town. What about Rocky Boyman? Your tailgate headquarters?

1056
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.800
<v Speaker 9>The Bengals today waving punter Brad Robbins. He just came

1057
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 9>off the ir yesterday. They already got a punter in Theirs.

1058
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.480
<v Speaker 9>Could punt the ball from here to Kenwood, kick it

1059
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:39.079
<v Speaker 9>like crazy right. Baseball playoffs begin today Detroit and Houston,

1060
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.719
<v Speaker 9>Kansas City, Baltimore Mets at Milwaukee, Braves at San Diego.

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00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I'll show you segment these two letters Pete Rose sent

1062
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:51.079
<v Speaker 1>to me from federal prisident. I look at the dates

1063
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 1>on the letters. Please don't open them, but look at

1064
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 1>the dates on the letters, and you'll see it dated

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00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:00.360
<v Speaker 1>November sixteenth, nineteen ninety correct. Now imagine a year and

1066
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 1>a half before that. Let's say it's June or July

1067
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.159
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty nine. Right, Pete Rose is a manager

1068
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 1>of your Cincinnati Reds. Correct the Marty and Pete. How

1069
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.639
<v Speaker 1>about Bob Trumpy's interview on the Rose Report? How about

1070
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Bob Trumpy and Pete Rose? Yep? How high was he

1071
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.920
<v Speaker 1>at that point? I could run for mayor a year

1072
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and nobody would vote against me unanimous. A year and

1073
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a half later, he sends letters to me from federal prison.

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00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 9>Number zero one eight three two zero six one looks

1075
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:35.519
<v Speaker 9>like yeah.

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00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And the next twe December third, tells me in that

1077
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>letter part of it, can you give me? Can you

1078
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 1>help me to get out by Christmas? I want to

1079
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 1>come home for Christmas? Didn't happen? He calls me in

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00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 1>November of ninety one and says, Willie, I'm out. I said,

1081
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>did you break out or what do you mean you're out?

1082
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.480
<v Speaker 1>He said, great escape, I'm at the Talbot House. I said,

1083
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 1>what what are you doing there? I got to do

1084
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 1>several months one thousand hours at community service, and I'm

1085
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.280
<v Speaker 1>about the Talbot House. Can he come see me? I

1086
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.119
<v Speaker 1>said sure? So I got on the Talbot House, a

1087
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>crappy little facility at twenty second in vine in otr.

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01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Boy, he's in this little room with a bunk bed

1090
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 1>with three others. One guy killed his mother and father.

1091
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Another guy was a known, well known drug dealer, and

1092
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the third guy was a cat burglar. And I said,

1093
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:27.239
<v Speaker 1>what in the hell are you doing here? Said man,

1094
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. Well, I want to let me

1095
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 1>go to Plant City and be with Carol and be

1096
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 1>with the kids. I said, I don't know. So I

1097
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.039
<v Speaker 1>contacted his lawyers. At that point, he had no money,

1098
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.679
<v Speaker 1>he had no imagine the Pete Rose who takes a

1099
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:39.920
<v Speaker 1>call from Ronald Reagan.

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01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 9>Correct, yeah, I heard that last I was watching it

1101
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.039
<v Speaker 9>last night when it would end happen.

1102
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.719
<v Speaker 1>And then here we are. He's in not just federal prison.

1103
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.920
<v Speaker 1>He has to do favors for the guards and the inmates.

1104
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I say, Pete, I hope the favors don't avoid and

1105
01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>involve some personal act. He said, no, no, no, I got

1106
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.199
<v Speaker 1>to sign baseballs. I said, sign every ball you can

1107
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.920
<v Speaker 1>find for Tad's sakes. And there he is now in

1108
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:08.239
<v Speaker 1>a halfway house with no money, no friends. At twenty

1109
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.320
<v Speaker 1>second and Vine and Joe wouldn't say him, No, Spiegel

1110
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted a piece of his you know what because of

1111
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 1>what he represented? Did Pete Rose belong in federal prison

1112
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:22.920
<v Speaker 1>for income? I don't think so. No, he did avoid taxes.

1113
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I pay your pricements out And does that also then

1114
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.719
<v Speaker 1>involved one thousand hours in community of service reporting every

1115
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.800
<v Speaker 1>night back to Talbert House for Pete Road? Does that make?

1116
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Is that fair? No? So this is a guy who

1117
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:39.039
<v Speaker 1>went from here to there there and never got out

1118
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:40.800
<v Speaker 1>of the cycle. Well a segment. I'm gonna spend from

1119
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.920
<v Speaker 1>two to three talking to the American people, all right,

1120
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.360
<v Speaker 1>until you committed two thirty five? And by the way,

1121
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.679
<v Speaker 1>where is Rocky Boyman when we need him?

1122
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:48.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Is he still stuck in North Carolina? Supposedly he's in Harrison,

1124
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, and he can't get out because the trees

1125
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 1>are all gone. But hopefully the trees can get better

1126
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.800
<v Speaker 1>at some point, you know what I'm saying. So Harrison

1127
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:05.159
<v Speaker 1>was hard hit, Yes, including the Ponderosa where Rocky calls home. Wow,

1128
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>think about that. Oh, maybe he's got the pebbles out

1129
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.360
<v Speaker 1>there cleaning house kick an ass like, mister ass. Yeah,

1130
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.639
<v Speaker 1>it's fair to say, segment. We will never see his

1131
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:15.320
<v Speaker 1>like again.

1132
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 9>There will never ever be a player to him, Willie.

1133
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 9>And I guarantee you one thing. You know, I don't

1134
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 9>think anybody's going to get four and.

1135
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Fifty six hits if they do well. This year. No

1136
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 1>one got bless him. Not one of them got to him.

1137
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 1>And you've got to get two hundred hits for twenty

1138
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.159
<v Speaker 1>consecutive seasons, correct, and then you're way short. Yeah, not

1139
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. No Segment and honor of Pete Rose this

1140
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.599
<v Speaker 1>was his station and his good friend wild Man Walker.

1141
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Get us out of the suite.

1142
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:45.280
<v Speaker 9>Report with your permission, will he and honor of the

1143
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 9>hit King rest in peace. We leave you with the

1144
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.039
<v Speaker 9>immortal words of the stew.

1145
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:56.159
<v Speaker 10>Report the levels about a couple of times shout kicks

1146
01:02:56.199 --> 01:03:05.960
<v Speaker 10>and he fires rose Wing Hith number forty one ninety two, Hey,

1147
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:08.599
<v Speaker 10>line drive saying, go into the love center.

1148
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:13.760
<v Speaker 1>May a clean basin. It is Pandemoniu.

1149
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 11>I'm here.

1150
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:18.159
<v Speaker 1>He's rubbing from the Stadium just one of the highlights

1151
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of Peter Edward Rose. I talked to Marty this morning.

1152
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.039
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna come on later. He said his heart is broken. Amen.

1153
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Between Joe Morgan and Pete Rose, those are his guys segment.

1154
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Are you willing now to hear between two and two

1155
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.719
<v Speaker 1>thirty from the American people? Yes, let's continue with more.

1156
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Open up the lines of your memories in your time

1157
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 1>with Pete Rose and things that happened. The number to

1158
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 1>call is seven four nine, seven thousand, or pound seven hundred,

1159
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, the Great American Live at the home of

1160
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose. News Radio seven hundred w Elder right, Billy

1161
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:55.440
<v Speaker 1>cunning Him the Great American. Let's continue to hear from

1162
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.360
<v Speaker 1>you on the life and times of Peter Edward Rose

1163
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:02.039
<v Speaker 1>passed away at the age of a three sometime yesterday

1164
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:06.280
<v Speaker 1>morning early, having flown in from Nashville, and the cause

1165
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of death to be determined. There's no foul play, suggested,

1166
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens. My idea is to have a

1167
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.719
<v Speaker 1>funeral at Great American Ballpark with the casket below the

1168
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 1>representation of Pete Rose, the statue out in front. That

1169
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.440
<v Speaker 1>would be beautiful and I hope someone in the family,

1170
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:24.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe Fawn or Pete Junior, can take control of the

1171
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.559
<v Speaker 1>situation and see what the estate is and the will

1172
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and the way we go. If there's some confusion in

1173
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:31.880
<v Speaker 1>this regard, I would not be surprised. All right, We're

1174
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:33.760
<v Speaker 1>going to take some calls now of your memories of

1175
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose, what he meant to you at of course

1176
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 1>at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, first

1177
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 1>of all, Karen and Batavia, and then Danny, and then

1178
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Dave and then Ed and thousands of others, And Karen

1179
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and Batavia, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Karen,

1180
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:55.400
<v Speaker 1>what are your memories and thoughts about Pete Rose? Hello, Karen, Hi,

1181
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 1>can hear me? Yes? I can? Please go ahead? O.

1182
01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:57.960
<v Speaker 12>Hi.

1183
01:04:58.400 --> 01:04:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1184
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.039
<v Speaker 3>So I'm as a kid and we down to Florida

1185
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 3>for spring break, and of course I bought a ball

1186
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 3>and the entire big red machine signs it, and I'm

1187
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:08.400
<v Speaker 3>in line, by the way, every single one of them.

1188
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.639
<v Speaker 3>I have a picture. I'm signing my ball, and so anyway,

1189
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:14.159
<v Speaker 3>we're in line for Pete and there's Pete Rose Junior

1190
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 3>sitting there. And that was cool, of course, because I'm

1191
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:18.559
<v Speaker 3>a kid and I think, well, that truly could cool

1192
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.119
<v Speaker 3>that he's there. But then Pete starts to hand the

1193
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.039
<v Speaker 3>ball over to him to sign, and my dad was like, no,

1194
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:25.519
<v Speaker 3>we don't want to do that, you know, we just

1195
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:28.440
<v Speaker 3>want the big red machine. So anyway, Peter Rose Junior

1196
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.960
<v Speaker 3>signs it, and let's fast forward them. I'm in college

1197
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:33.480
<v Speaker 3>and I treasured that ball I had in one of

1198
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:35.519
<v Speaker 3>those globes up on my shelf, and I don't know

1199
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:37.719
<v Speaker 3>how it happened that my brother's dog ate the ball,

1200
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:42.119
<v Speaker 3>And I've always wondered your brother's dog ate the ball.

1201
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:46.679
<v Speaker 3>It was devastating, and I've wondered through my whole life

1202
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.599
<v Speaker 3>what that ball would have been worth. And my thought

1203
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.639
<v Speaker 3>is I always wondered this. Would the value have dropped

1204
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 3>or been higher because Pete Rose Junior signed it? You

1205
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:56.400
<v Speaker 3>had any idea about that?

1206
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I do not, But I would imagine Junior has signed

1207
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a few balls on his own. I would think by itself.

1208
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.280
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, if it's two unique signatures together,

1209
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:09.199
<v Speaker 1>that would be probably worth more. I bet Pete Rose

1210
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:11.920
<v Speaker 1>signed more than ten thousand baseballs, and so to have

1211
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.440
<v Speaker 1>one signed by his son would probably have more value

1212
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.360
<v Speaker 1>than simply by itself. You know what I'm saying.

1213
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I always wondered that that. It just killed

1214
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:21.519
<v Speaker 3>me now that I'm an adult, wondering to value that

1215
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:25.599
<v Speaker 3>and just the you know, the the emotional connection to

1216
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:27.000
<v Speaker 3>that that my brother's dog ate it.

1217
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Lastly, Karen it tells on this issue, there are so

1218
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.719
<v Speaker 1>many good things to say about Pete, but then there's

1219
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the dark side, and then the dark side is bad. However,

1220
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:42.000
<v Speaker 1>should we spend time thinking about his accomplishments or his

1221
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:42.519
<v Speaker 1>sins and.

1222
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Crimes accomplishments and he should have been in the Hall

1223
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:46.440
<v Speaker 3>of Yes.

1224
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your calling. God blessed Beatavial. Let's go

1225
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to Danny in New Carlisle. Then Mike and mount Orb

1226
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.119
<v Speaker 1>and Danny. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Danny

1227
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:57.079
<v Speaker 1>give me a full report.

1228
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.760
<v Speaker 11>Hi, Billy, I'm a big fan. I just wanted to

1229
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.000
<v Speaker 11>tell you one instance. I went to a crossing field

1230
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.400
<v Speaker 11>with my father when I was a kid, and Pete

1231
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.000
<v Speaker 11>was out along the left field line warming up, and

1232
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.760
<v Speaker 11>he threw a baseball up in the stands and I

1233
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:12.559
<v Speaker 11>went after.

1234
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:13.760
<v Speaker 4>It, but another kid got it.

1235
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.039
<v Speaker 11>And then he gets another ball, he throws it up

1236
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:20.599
<v Speaker 11>again and the same kid got it. So I'll never

1237
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.960
<v Speaker 11>forget that, but I just want to emphasize the good

1238
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:27.199
<v Speaker 11>things also. But I also want to talk about Jim

1239
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:30.159
<v Speaker 11>Gray in nineteen ninety nine, that Pete was allowed to

1240
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.840
<v Speaker 11>be part of the greatest team ever, and Jim Gray

1241
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 11>was so bad to him and asked him over and

1242
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.360
<v Speaker 11>over again and wouldn't let it go about gambling that

1243
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:43.440
<v Speaker 11>at my house, I've instituted a boycott against Jim Gray

1244
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 11>until this morning when he was on Fox News and

1245
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.800
<v Speaker 11>I lifted the boycott to hear what he had to say.

1246
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.280
<v Speaker 11>And he's still the same. I don't care for him,

1247
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:58.079
<v Speaker 11>and I was embarrassed for Pete at that point, and

1248
01:07:58.159 --> 01:07:58.760
<v Speaker 11>I still am.

1249
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, when Pete Rose grew up in Western Hills,

1250
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:05.000
<v Speaker 1>say in the in the mid and late forties and

1251
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:09.599
<v Speaker 1>early fifties, there wasn't the availability to play baseball. Can

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01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:12.159
<v Speaker 1>you imagine having a baseball team and the Western Hills

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01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty seven, Bentley Post was there, but as

1254
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.039
<v Speaker 1>far as Little League baseball, and that didn't develop until

1255
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the late fifties and sixties. And so the idea that

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01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a kid that weighs one hundred and thirty pounds it

1257
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:26.119
<v Speaker 1>was five foot ten, and Skinny could be scouted by

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01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the Reds at the age of eighteen, So Pete Pete

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01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.840
<v Speaker 1>would have been nineteen fifty nine. He would have been

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01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years and nineteen fifty nine. There wasn't developed amateur baseball.

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01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:40.399
<v Speaker 1>The Larry Red wines, the world did not exist the

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01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Bentley Post. Okay, one, but how do you get to

1263
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.359
<v Speaker 1>be playing baseball at the age of sixteen unless you've

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01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.239
<v Speaker 1>played when you were five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

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01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:50.439
<v Speaker 1>You see what I'm saying. You can't. Unlike some sports,

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01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.319
<v Speaker 1>you can't start playing baseball when you're sixteen years old

1267
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and then go to Bentley Post. It didn't work that way.

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01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It was amazing that Peter Edward Rose was able to

1269
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.960
<v Speaker 1>be signed by the Reds because his uncle knew a

1270
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.840
<v Speaker 1>scout and said, okay, we'll send the kid up to

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01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:08.479
<v Speaker 1>up to Upper New York State and that's where he

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01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.399
<v Speaker 1>met Tony President nineteen sixty and so the odds of

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01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that guy making it it would be impossible. But Pete

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01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Rose at the heart of a lion, and he wanted

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01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to play ball, and he wanted to honor his father, Harry,

1276
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:23.119
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to show he could play. And so

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01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:26.359
<v Speaker 1>that's a great story, and thanks for calling in. Had

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01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:28.319
<v Speaker 1>the fur ball there for a moment. If the fur

1279
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:30.399
<v Speaker 1>ball calls back, we'll put him on. Let's go to

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01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Mike and mount Orb and then to Dave and Dayton.

1281
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Mike and Mount Orb, give me a Pete Rose story

1282
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and give me your thoughts.

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01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:38.439
<v Speaker 5>All right, Willie, good show.

1284
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:44.039
<v Speaker 5>Met Pete when I was twelve. My dad had contacts

1286
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:46.359
<v Speaker 5>and at bolts of strings and we got front Rose

1287
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:48.640
<v Speaker 5>seats and was down on the field and got to

1288
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:53.000
<v Speaker 5>go in the dugout. I met Pete, Tony, David Concepcion,

1289
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:58.039
<v Speaker 5>and Sparky Anderson. Pete asked me if I wanted some advice.

1290
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:01.600
<v Speaker 5>I said, well, yeah, he said, play as hard as

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01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.279
<v Speaker 5>he can, as up but as he can.

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01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.560
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Mike, I use that line similarly when

1293
01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I look at someone standing behind a counter, or someone

1294
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:15.159
<v Speaker 1>picking up my garbage cans, or somebody working at Skyline Chili,

1295
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking, I think of my own mother. And

1296
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:19.359
<v Speaker 1>she went to work every day of the Marriot hot

1297
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 1>shops making a dollar sixty an hour, and she would

1298
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:24.039
<v Speaker 1>not stop, She would not give up. It was her

1299
01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 1>commitment to that job. And so many Americans today, Mike

1300
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.520
<v Speaker 1>do not have the commitment to their work and the

1301
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.720
<v Speaker 1>commitment to excellence as Pete Rose had, so he had

1302
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:37.039
<v Speaker 1>sins and crimes out the walls. Who However, a good

1303
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:40.359
<v Speaker 1>part of Pete Rose is an example for someone carrying

1304
01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the mail, or someone hitting buttons somewhere in an airport,

1305
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:47.079
<v Speaker 1>a pilot, a flight attenants use the term of menial

1306
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 1>type job that they do so well, and so Pete

1307
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Rose did baseball well, which allowed him to do so

1308
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 1>many other things. But I have great respect for men

1309
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and women who are working road crews, and men and

1310
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:02.239
<v Speaker 1>women who shovel snow and pick up branches. Those who

1311
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.159
<v Speaker 1>work for landscaping companies get up every day, report to work,

1312
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.560
<v Speaker 1>support themselves, do things the right way, and that's the

1313
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose example. Let's go to Dave and Dayton and

1314
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:15.439
<v Speaker 1>then Josh and Williamstown and Dave and Dayton welcome, and

1315
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.039
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts about Pete Rose?

1316
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.439
<v Speaker 12>Hey, Willie, I love your idea of having his funeral

1317
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:24.720
<v Speaker 12>at the ballpark, that that has to be done so

1318
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:29.760
<v Speaker 12>all of his fans can their respects. But my story

1319
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.079
<v Speaker 12>goes back to actually he had a photo with my

1320
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:36.399
<v Speaker 12>wife back after the nineteen seventy four.

1321
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:40.960
<v Speaker 4>Xenia Tornado, my in laws.

1322
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.760
<v Speaker 12>Doctor Clement Austria and Gene Austria. Their son was his

1323
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:46.840
<v Speaker 12>former US Congressman Sea Austria.

1324
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.079
<v Speaker 4>That you know, they.

1325
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:52.399
<v Speaker 12>Contacted Pete and Bob Hope and Johnny Bench and they

1326
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:56.000
<v Speaker 12>donated their time graciously to come up and raise funds

1327
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:59.600
<v Speaker 12>for the Zenia Tornado and actually paid a visit to

1328
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 12>their house with with a household family picture. Well, I

1329
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.479
<v Speaker 12>took that picture and blew it up. And because Pete

1330
01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:12.319
<v Speaker 12>was up in Dayton for a a signing for gran

1331
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:16.920
<v Speaker 12>opening of the Rip roadhouse like a biker bar actually, and.

1332
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.279
<v Speaker 4>He was there to get the crowd there.

1333
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:21.479
<v Speaker 12>And he was doing one hundred dollars an autograph and

1334
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.600
<v Speaker 12>I brought that photo up. He remembered it like it

1335
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:29.000
<v Speaker 12>was yesterday, was so gracious and please to meet me,

1336
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:33.239
<v Speaker 12>sign the picture and didn't charge me the hundred bucks on.

1337
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:34.840
<v Speaker 4>It, and you know it was.

1338
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 12>It was great meeting a Hall of Famer, which he

1339
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:43.920
<v Speaker 12>he'd better become one, but you know it was I

1340
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:48.279
<v Speaker 12>was shocked as passing. He had the tough grittiness. I

1341
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.920
<v Speaker 12>figured he'd live well into his nineties.

1342
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had. He had three hard procedures. He need.

1343
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:56.239
<v Speaker 1>It needs to be replaced in a hip, and he

1344
01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.920
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do it because he didn't want to be seen

1345
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.520
<v Speaker 1>walking on crutches or with a cane. And he was

1346
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:04.439
<v Speaker 1>told by his close friends, look, if you don't get

1347
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.039
<v Speaker 1>the knee replacement, both of them, you're going to be

1348
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in a wheelchair. And as fortune would have it, on

1349
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Nashville on Sunday afternoon doing a signing show, he was

1350
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:17.479
<v Speaker 1>in a wheelchair. And Johnny Bench said earlier that he

1351
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't look right. And you know, if you've seen Pete

1352
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 1>the last few months, he did a big event at

1353
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Western Hills Country Club, headquartered by John Craft and others,

1354
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.279
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't look right, and you know, he had

1355
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.680
<v Speaker 1>circulation problems, and he assumed he was bulletproof. And I'm

1356
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 1>sure when he got on that plane and went from

1357
01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Nashville to Las Vegas late Sunday, he was dead tired,

1358
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.239
<v Speaker 1>and that he went to sleep, and media accounts already

1359
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:46.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't wake up, and that there was some he had

1360
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.920
<v Speaker 1>a girlfriend with. He was living with a girlfriend and

1361
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.279
<v Speaker 1>she got a key and got in and went in

1362
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:55.079
<v Speaker 1>and found him dead. And they assumed no foul play,

1363
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and they assumed it was a hard or stroke or

1364
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.600
<v Speaker 1>something of that character. And he needed dentals injury too,

1365
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and the last few years of his life were not

1366
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:06.800
<v Speaker 1>kind to him physically. And so that's saying I want Pete.

1367
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I want Pete to get the best.

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01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 12>That's sad, but at least he got to spend one

1369
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.880
<v Speaker 12>of his last days with his big red machine. You know, brothers, there's.

1370
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:16.560
<v Speaker 4>Some solace in that.

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01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:18.039
<v Speaker 1>And that's a great point.

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01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.399
<v Speaker 12>Thank you, thanks for having everyone on UH speaking there.

1373
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:24.760
<v Speaker 12>Thank you moments right, thank you, Thank you, Dave.

1374
01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:28.319
<v Speaker 1>And And the thing is, I know the Castellini's and

1375
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Karen Craft and Phil and Bob feel deeply about Pete.

1376
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I know there's going to be remembrances and UH in

1377
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.720
<v Speaker 1>March and March and April, but UH to do something.

1378
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I would hope someone in the family, maybe Fawn or

1379
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Pete Jr. They're the two oldest of his five children,

1380
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:49.039
<v Speaker 1>could UH could do something with the estate because time

1381
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:51.560
<v Speaker 1>is a wasting and I would hope they would have

1382
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Pete buried in Cincinnati, where he belongs, hopefully. I don't

1383
01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:58.640
<v Speaker 1>know if it's possible to have him buried underneath his

1384
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:01.640
<v Speaker 1>statue at the Great American b Park would be quite fitting.

1385
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with one or two more calls. We have

1386
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Josh and Williamstown. Josh, your memories about Pete Rose.

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01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.399
<v Speaker 7>Hey, Willy, my favorite radio. I haven't talked to you

1388
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:12.960
<v Speaker 7>since your surgery. He's still doing good.

1389
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well.

1390
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:14.680
<v Speaker 12>My uh.

1391
01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, doctor Carriacus gave me a heart valve and

1392
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I got it. I remember that twenty nineteen and he

1393
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 1>tells me I got seven to eight years of that,

1394
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and then after that he's got one more heart valve

1395
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and get another cow valve maybe, and after that I'll

1396
01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:32.800
<v Speaker 1>be about ninety and I'll be done anyway, So.

1397
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.199
<v Speaker 7>You're gonna be here.

1398
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:34.279
<v Speaker 4>What are you talking about?

1399
01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Everyone says that, but not a few of us are correct.

1400
01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean only Jimmy Carter. By the way, President Jimmy

1401
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Carter turns one hundred years old today.

1402
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.439
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, I know I've seen that.

1403
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:47.800
<v Speaker 7>You know, he is a nuclear reactor guy too. A

1404
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:49.600
<v Speaker 7>lot of people. He had a comment mat and Live.

1405
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.000
<v Speaker 7>Not the best president in my opinion, but he's a

1406
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:52.640
<v Speaker 7>really good guy.

1407
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:53.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1408
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:58.439
<v Speaker 1>He worked with Hyman Rickover on a first nuclear powered submarine.

1409
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.239
<v Speaker 1>There was a young ensign. Their name Jimmy Carter, and

1410
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.399
<v Speaker 1>I respected his service. I didn't care much for his presidency,

1411
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:06.279
<v Speaker 1>but he he was on the pier that had a

1412
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.319
<v Speaker 1>great post presidency but allows he presidency. Well, Josh, give

1413
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.079
<v Speaker 1>me your story about Pete Rose. Yeah, yeah as well.

1414
01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.560
<v Speaker 7>Actually, unfortunately I was born in eighty five, so I

1415
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:21.720
<v Speaker 7>just missed it. But but I my family, we they're

1416
01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:24.159
<v Speaker 7>all from Norwood. So I remember being a child going

1417
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:28.520
<v Speaker 7>into Serrano's Pizza when Mike sil Luca had it. Yes, Yes,

1418
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 7>And I remember on the wall all the memorabilia from

1419
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.039
<v Speaker 7>the Big Red Machine on the wall before the fire happened,

1420
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 7>and I looked at my dad and I was like,

1421
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:39.960
<v Speaker 7>he must have been when I was little. I was like,

1422
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.039
<v Speaker 7>he must have been one heck of a guy. My

1423
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.079
<v Speaker 7>dad was like, he's a hero Cincinnati. But what I

1424
01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:47.520
<v Speaker 7>wanted to bring up was I was on Twitter just

1425
01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:52.600
<v Speaker 7>earlier and it really made me mad. The Baseball Hall

1426
01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:55.439
<v Speaker 7>of Fame is on there commenting about how great of

1427
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:58.199
<v Speaker 7>a player he was, and I'm like, you just crucified

1428
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:01.520
<v Speaker 7>the man his whole life. And then you're he's not

1429
01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.039
<v Speaker 7>even in the ground and you're sitting there praising him,

1430
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:07.600
<v Speaker 7>and I'm just like it's disgusting, and then my draftking

1431
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.520
<v Speaker 7>is posting things about Pete Rose and I'm like, you know,

1432
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:12.760
<v Speaker 7>I went to Great American Ballpark and I've been to

1433
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.199
<v Speaker 7>a whole bunch of games, and every time I go

1434
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.800
<v Speaker 7>there just really irks me because the MLB is all

1435
01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:21.600
<v Speaker 7>against betting, but they have draftking billboards out in the outfield, like,

1436
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:24.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, advertising betting. I was like Willie Mays and

1437
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:28.119
<v Speaker 7>Mickey Mantle were banned for some time for working for casino.

1438
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:32.159
<v Speaker 7>I'm like, there's people out there who had more flawed lives,

1439
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:34.840
<v Speaker 7>but they're in the Hall of Fame. I'm like, you know,

1440
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.760
<v Speaker 7>nobody's perfect. Stop crucifying the man.

1441
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, they would take advantage of Pete for personal

1442
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:44.279
<v Speaker 1>benefits financially, but they would never let him in. And

1443
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the last dream Pete Rose head was to be admitting

1444
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:48.680
<v Speaker 1>to the Hall of Fame. He said, I don't care

1445
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:51.159
<v Speaker 1>if I'm in after I'm dead, I won't even know

1446
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:52.920
<v Speaker 1>about it, but I want to go in while I'm alive.

1447
01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:56.159
<v Speaker 1>And also most of the great young players that Ty

1448
01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Cobbs and others were rulent raceist who have been in

1449
01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the ku Klux Klan who also bet on baseball, and

1450
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:06.680
<v Speaker 1>baseball has selective outrage, and they had selective outrage against

1451
01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose. But that's the way it is. And uh,

1452
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll continue to give you information in the next few

1453
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.479
<v Speaker 1>days about what's going to happen with the funeral or

1454
01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:15.760
<v Speaker 1>more and what the Reds are going to do to

1455
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.119
<v Speaker 1>honor the greatest hitter of all time because forty two

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six, may I say as a record that shall

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01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:24.159
<v Speaker 1>never be approached and will never be broken. And I

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01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.039
<v Speaker 1>pray to God that we recall Pete not for the

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01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:29.560
<v Speaker 1>sins and crimes he committed, but for the glory he

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01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:31.640
<v Speaker 1>brought to the people of Cincinnati and all the honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more two twenty five. Home of Your

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01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Reds and a Home of the Pete Rose is Radio

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01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:39.079
<v Speaker 1>seven hundreds WLW.

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<v Speaker 13>When you get into a wall, you never admit you're

1465
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:43.720
<v Speaker 13>in a swamp. Don't ever let a picture tell you

1466
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.840
<v Speaker 13>you're in a swamp. I would tell people, do you

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01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.000
<v Speaker 13>do one of six things when they get into a wall?

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01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:48.680
<v Speaker 1>You know what they are?

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01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:52.279
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, okay, no, tell me all right, closer to the

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01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:56.039
<v Speaker 13>plate for the way from the plate, up in the box,

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01:18:56.600 --> 01:18:59.279
<v Speaker 13>back in the box, choke up, in the bat more,

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01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:01.520
<v Speaker 13>choke down the bat that more, make it heavier, make

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01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:05.000
<v Speaker 13>it lighter. Never change your swing. Your swing got into

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01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:10.079
<v Speaker 13>the big leags. You change your positioning. Uh in the

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01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 13>batter's box. The only way you could jam me is

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01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:14.479
<v Speaker 13>I swung the ball that far inside. But I went

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01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:17.039
<v Speaker 13>into everything. I used to think I could hit the

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01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:20.399
<v Speaker 13>ball inside to right to left field batting left handed

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01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.479
<v Speaker 13>better than I could the other way, because you get

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01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:25.680
<v Speaker 13>all your power when you go like that. All right,

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01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.439
<v Speaker 13>I can have the same swing that's going to left field,

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01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:30.279
<v Speaker 13>this is going to center field.

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01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:31.640
<v Speaker 1>This is pooling.

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01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.119
<v Speaker 13>Just the difference in more where my hands are, same swing.

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01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Wow, pretty simple. That's church.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, quiet skulls, I'm broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 11>Those.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you need one?

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01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:54.880
<v Speaker 4>One?

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01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Batting coach? Is enough?

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01:19:57.039 --> 01:19:59.880
<v Speaker 9>Up in the box, Back in the box, close the

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01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:03.239
<v Speaker 9>to the plate, farther away from the plate, choke up

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01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:05.079
<v Speaker 9>on the bat, choke down on the back.

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01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:07.520
<v Speaker 1>That's right there. That's all you need.

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01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:10.439
<v Speaker 9>You don't need analytics the ball, the bat coming off

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01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.079
<v Speaker 9>the ball at ten thousand miles an hour and it

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01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.840
<v Speaker 9>goes into the seats at ninety five, or the pitch

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01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:17.079
<v Speaker 9>was one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I might just spin rate. Who cares. Who cares? Right there?

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01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:24.279
<v Speaker 1>That's why the hit king is the hit king. He

1502
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>calls me from Mary in federal prison. Figure, that's the call.

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01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:27.520
<v Speaker 13>Yah.

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01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:30.479
<v Speaker 1>I say, yes, I'll accept the charges. Okay, I said,

1505
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Pete house a goal and he said, well, I have

1506
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of things here I don't like doing.

1507
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, I wait, my Pete, hold up on that

1508
01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.760
<v Speaker 1>car wise gentlemen, I said a statement or two next

1509
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that I can't say on the air, right. He said,

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01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that. I said, well, what are you doing?

1511
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.399
<v Speaker 1>He said, well, I'm signing balls. I said, are they baseball? Yeah,

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01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm signing baseballs. And I said anything else?

1513
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:51.079
<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

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01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I got to call people and say, hey, hey, mom,

1515
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:56.079
<v Speaker 1>this is Pete Rose, your son's. But he would do

1516
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:58.560
<v Speaker 1>those things. I says, just don't tell me you're doing

1517
01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:02.119
<v Speaker 1>anything else. To stay safe. He's signing balls and I

1518
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:06.279
<v Speaker 1>said baseballs. Then he gets out, ends up at a

1519
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:08.159
<v Speaker 1>halfway house. I go see him there, and that was

1520
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.239
<v Speaker 1>say that was awful. He rose at a half way house.

1521
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Then he gets out, goes to Plant City and away

1522
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:18.359
<v Speaker 1>we go. And speaking of Plant City, here's Rocky Boyman

1523
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:21.479
<v Speaker 1>who's got his own walk back from North Carolina Rock.

1524
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:23.479
<v Speaker 1>How we doing. You're back? I'm back.

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01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, now here are two letters Pete sent me. I

1527
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:27.680
<v Speaker 1>asked you not to look in the interior to what

1528
01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the content says. But here are two letters that Pete

1529
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Rose sent me from Marian Federal Prison, hand written letters,

1530
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking, you know, this is the guy how big.

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01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.399
<v Speaker 1>You don't recall you were too young in nineteen eighty

1532
01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:42.159
<v Speaker 1>four eighty five? Is that correct? No?

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01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.760
<v Speaker 14>See, that's kind of my deal is I'm forty four

1534
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:45.279
<v Speaker 14>years old.

1535
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So probably if.

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01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:49.760
<v Speaker 14>You're younger than me, you don't remember Pete as the

1537
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.119
<v Speaker 14>baseball player, but I do. I was, you know, five, six,

1538
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:57.359
<v Speaker 14>seven years old, and that's actually one of my memories.

1539
01:21:57.399 --> 01:21:58.119
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty cool.

1540
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.720
<v Speaker 14>So there was a place on the west side of

1541
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:03.920
<v Speaker 14>town called the ball Game and it was a gym

1542
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:08.720
<v Speaker 14>remember that gym slash batting cages right, and it was

1543
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.880
<v Speaker 14>coincidentally right behind Ron's Rus. It was not there anymore.

1544
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.479
<v Speaker 14>It was right there on Bridgetown Road. I believe, I

1545
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.279
<v Speaker 14>believe the Wagon Wheel Calf Wagon All Cafe was Cross Street, which.

1546
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I believe Pete's wife worked at. Carolyn, yes, not the

1547
01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:27.399
<v Speaker 1>girl friend, but Carolyn or Carol one of them.

1548
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:31.880
<v Speaker 14>So I remember as a young kid being in there

1549
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:34.359
<v Speaker 14>and Jeff Sweet was a guy who owned the ball game.

1550
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:36.720
<v Speaker 14>My dad would go in there to lift weights and I,

1551
01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:38.439
<v Speaker 14>you know, the you know, I would go there to

1552
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.239
<v Speaker 14>you know, hitting the batting cages whatever. And Pete Rose

1553
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:45.000
<v Speaker 14>came in like just watch, like a public batting cage

1554
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:47.600
<v Speaker 14>walks in. It was in the morning, and and it's

1555
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:49.960
<v Speaker 14>the damnedest thing I've ever seen. So you go to

1556
01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.239
<v Speaker 14>batting cages, you know, and they got you know, softball,

1557
01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:56.720
<v Speaker 14>and then they got slow, medium fast, very fast and

1558
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:58.039
<v Speaker 14>very fast was all the way.

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01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:58.840
<v Speaker 1>On the left.

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01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:01.520
<v Speaker 14>And I remember as a young kid sitting there watching

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01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:03.720
<v Speaker 14>and we're all sitting there just watching this. Right, he

1562
01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.520
<v Speaker 14>rose on the left side of the plate crack in

1563
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:09.159
<v Speaker 14>between pitches, goes to the other side of the plate crack,

1564
01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:12.039
<v Speaker 14>so whiches back to the other side of playing crack. Then,

1565
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.239
<v Speaker 14>so he's just just launching these balls and this is

1566
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.760
<v Speaker 14>I had him in eighty five, okay, still playing and

1567
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:23.000
<v Speaker 14>then he he he proceeds to scoot like halfway up

1568
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:23.600
<v Speaker 14>the tunnel.

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01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:25.640
<v Speaker 1>So now he's on the I don't know, the.

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01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 14>Very fastest what eighty five or something. He's probably standing

1571
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:30.439
<v Speaker 14>twenty feet from it.

1572
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Boom crack, boom crack. And I can't remember anything I

1573
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>did two weeks ago.

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01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:39.800
<v Speaker 14>But I can remember being a young kid staring in

1575
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.640
<v Speaker 14>awe at watching with my dad, who was the biggest

1576
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:46.000
<v Speaker 14>Pete Rose fan, sitting there watching him hit baseball is

1577
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:47.319
<v Speaker 14>at the batting cage at the ball game.

1578
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Why did you never get just because he was I.

1579
01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:51.960
<v Speaker 14>Think he knew I think Jeff Sweet, I think he

1580
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:55.039
<v Speaker 14>knew the owner. And again he's He's a west Sider

1581
01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:58.680
<v Speaker 14>and I'm a West Sider. So you know, he was

1582
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:02.520
<v Speaker 14>the embodiment of the west Side, right, blue collar guy,

1583
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:06.279
<v Speaker 14>humble beginnings. You know, my grandpa grew up in Fairmont,

1584
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:08.640
<v Speaker 14>which is not far from where Pete Rose grew up,

1585
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 14>and so that West Side grit and determination is something

1586
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:17.640
<v Speaker 14>my family identified with right, and that's why we we

1587
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.000
<v Speaker 14>love Pete Rose. But I I'll never forget that. The

1588
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:23.119
<v Speaker 14>other memory I have of him is I get a voicemail.

1589
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:26.399
<v Speaker 14>This is a couple of years ago, and it's, uh, hey, Rocky,

1590
01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:28.720
<v Speaker 14>this is Pete Rose. I got your number from Urban

1591
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:30.600
<v Speaker 14>Meyer because you give me a call. I want to

1592
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:33.720
<v Speaker 14>talk to you about training for his for his grandson.

1593
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:37.359
<v Speaker 14>He was a linebacker at say Next a couple of

1594
01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:39.439
<v Speaker 14>years back. I believe he's a college baseball player now

1595
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:41.000
<v Speaker 14>and somewhere in Philadelphia.

1596
01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I still have that voicemail safe Hey, hey, Rocky.

1597
01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:50.920
<v Speaker 14>So I called him back and it went straight to voicemail,

1598
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.840
<v Speaker 14>or went the voicemail whatever, and uh, but that was it.

1599
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:58.079
<v Speaker 14>But those are kind of my two uh Pete Rose stories.

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01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Segment unbelievable, the up in the box, up in the box,

1601
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:03.039
<v Speaker 1>back in the.

1602
01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:07.199
<v Speaker 9>Box, closer to the plate, away from the plate, choke

1603
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:09.439
<v Speaker 9>up on the bat, choke down on the bat, and

1604
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.239
<v Speaker 9>don't change your swing, don't change your leg that got

1605
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:13.039
<v Speaker 9>you to the big league?

1606
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Su dagon right. Every time that video services on, I

1607
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>watch it. I watch it a million times.

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01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:23.039
<v Speaker 9>This is a great it's the best. You don't need

1609
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.800
<v Speaker 9>seven hitting coaches. You just play that video and that's it.

1610
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:29.159
<v Speaker 9>What about the spin rate doesn't make any difference. What

1611
01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:31.399
<v Speaker 9>about velocity and all that mess?

1612
01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>A man like a man? Yeah, thank you, I thought aquavels.

1613
01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:39.279
<v Speaker 1>What you remember watching again?

1614
01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:41.479
<v Speaker 14>It was the tail end of his career, But as

1615
01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:45.119
<v Speaker 14>I can at least say, I watched him play play baseball,

1616
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:45.960
<v Speaker 14>watch and everybody.

1617
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:52.039
<v Speaker 9>Everybody wanted his hair cut. Every kid wanted fourteen. Oh yeah,

1618
01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:54.920
<v Speaker 9>I mean I remember it not and playing Anthole one

1619
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:58.159
<v Speaker 9>a few games and over and White Oak. Every kid

1620
01:25:58.279 --> 01:25:59.079
<v Speaker 9>wore fourteen.

1621
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They got mad at him. And it's like, we

1622
01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:05.199
<v Speaker 1>can't do nothing about it. Fourteen on the team. Six

1623
01:26:05.319 --> 01:26:08.119
<v Speaker 1>seven year old kids. They want to they want the

1624
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>number fourteen on their back and that's it. So it's like, oh,

1625
01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you've got number fourteen out there. Yeah, well that's a Jimmy.

1626
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:17.319
<v Speaker 1>There's Johnny over there at first ball. Fourteen.

1627
01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:18.439
<v Speaker 2>He can't do it.

1628
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:20.680
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't do anything about this. It's amazing. He could

1629
01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>never play play golf. So he invites me to stay

1630
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>with him for a week and play City. Had a

1631
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.479
<v Speaker 1>beautiful him there playing City or I got on stay

1632
01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>with Pete Rose, and I brought my clubs with me.

1633
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>So I have to learn the game of golf, I

1634
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>said Pete. They're like forty years forty five years old.

1635
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure he can play it. He's I'm gonna play.

1636
01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I said, let's play. So I got there to the

1637
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.319
<v Speaker 1>golf course and we start playing. He's the only baseball

1638
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:42.199
<v Speaker 1>player I ever played golf with who couldn't hit a

1639
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>golf ball. He had no swing velocity. You play with

1640
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>John Smoltz, Paul and Neil cry none, Jenny. I said,

1641
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why you can't. Let's try it again.

1642
01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>So he takes a golf club. I'll take a golf

1643
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>club and swing it like a baseball bat. Just swing

1644
01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it now. It just changed the plane from that to this, right,

1645
01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:05.199
<v Speaker 1>go down. He couldn't generate the lot. He didn't hit

1646
01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the ball one hundred and eighty yards and Paul O'Neil

1647
01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>sable carry three hundred yards for small How many baseball

1648
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:16.880
<v Speaker 1>players can't generate speed when it comes hitting. And I said, Pete,

1649
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to damn it. I'm gonna play baseball.

1650
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:21.279
<v Speaker 1>It lessons. So one day it's raining, like only a

1651
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>range in Florida. We're in Plaid City. We're playing with

1652
01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:27.439
<v Speaker 1>a couple of the other reds, and and nobody showed up.

1653
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>He said, let's go. I said, Pete, it's raining. I

1654
01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>don't care if it's raining. It's not a rain out,

1655
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:31.199
<v Speaker 1>is it.

1656
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:31.359
<v Speaker 3>No.

1657
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>He goes out there hitting balls on the range and

1658
01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>they're pouring rain and I said, Pete, I can't do this,

1659
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>And so I went into the clubhouse and wait he

1660
01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>wanted and played eighteen holes of golf by himself in

1661
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the rain, playing golf by himself, by himself, and he

1662
01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>still couldn't play golf. No, he could not generate clut

1663
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>How's that amazing? I said, just keep swinging like a

1664
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:53.239
<v Speaker 1>baseball bat and then just change the plane this way.

1665
01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>But he couldn't hit. He couldn't. He couldn't hit the ball.

1666
01:27:57.039 --> 01:28:00.319
<v Speaker 1>And I never understood the greatest eye, the greatest swing.

1667
01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:04.039
<v Speaker 1>He said, this is crazy. That ball doesn't move. It's

1668
01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:08.279
<v Speaker 1>sitting right there. Yeah. I can hit a Steve Carlton slider. Yeah,

1669
01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>but I can't hit a baseball golf ball. I said,

1670
01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>how's And pros come out and say, Pete, you don't

1671
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>have like a one fifty I had an eight iron.

1672
01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>He had hit like a five or four iron one

1673
01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:22.039
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty yards. I said, I don't get it,

1674
01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:25.079
<v Speaker 1>and he quit playing, goes, I can't master it. Hell,

1675
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you can't par a hole. That's the first I heard

1676
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of that true story, thinking about to Kenwick now and then.

1677
01:28:32.760 --> 01:28:36.199
<v Speaker 14>And not usually baseball players suck at golf, not because

1678
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:38.199
<v Speaker 14>it can't generate clubs me, but it's they have a

1679
01:28:38.279 --> 01:28:40.359
<v Speaker 14>baseball swing and it slices and does that.

1680
01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>But he couldn't. He could not generate a ninety five

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01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:46.439
<v Speaker 1>to one hundred miles for our swing. You want to

1682
01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>swing the golf club at least one hundred miles an hour.

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01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>The Great One one hundred and twenty. He couldn't generate

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01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>eighty miles an hour in a golf swing. Damnedest thing

1685
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen, I said. He swings at a heart take,

1686
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.479
<v Speaker 1>I say, ten times in a row swing like a face.

1687
01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Just don't want back. And I just changed the plane

1688
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and go down. He couldn't hit it. Wow, And I

1689
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:08.279
<v Speaker 1>said this, so he quit playing. He said, I can't play,

1690
01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I said, segment, give me some sports.

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01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:14.119
<v Speaker 9>Willy the student reporters and proud service every local Thamestar

1692
01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:18.520
<v Speaker 9>Heating and air Conditioning dealers Thamestar quality. You can feel

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01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.640
<v Speaker 9>a Northern Kentucky Callity Weather Heating and Air eight five

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01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:25.720
<v Speaker 9>nine seven eight one forty eight twenty two.

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01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>You can read one of those. To open it up

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01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.199
<v Speaker 1>and read it right. Not only oh, go go ahead,

1697
01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:34.479
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, welly, of course, the world is morning. The

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01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>passing of the Great One.

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01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:38.079
<v Speaker 9>The hit King Pete rose the Reds Hall of Famer,

1700
01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:42.880
<v Speaker 9>and you'll hear from Tommy Helms, Chris Sabo, who was

1701
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.960
<v Speaker 9>with Pete over the weekend in Nashville, and also the

1702
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:48.439
<v Speaker 9>glue Doug Flynn tonight on Sports Talk.

1703
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.079
<v Speaker 1>He held the seventy six Ridgs together. That's correct, Flynn,

1704
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>big name. Let's see.

1705
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:54.800
<v Speaker 9>Nick Martinez of the Reds has been named the nash

1706
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:58.960
<v Speaker 9>League Pitcher of the Month for September thirty strikeouts opponent's

1707
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.479
<v Speaker 9>bat at one sixty one against him in an eighty

1708
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:03.560
<v Speaker 9>three microscopic er A.

1709
01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's keep him.

1710
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:07.000
<v Speaker 9>Bengals up and brought to you by good Spirits, Winding

1711
01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:09.960
<v Speaker 9>Tobacco and party town to your tailgate headquarters. I'm the

1712
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:14.239
<v Speaker 9>par Bengals today waving Hunter Brad Robbins. He came off

1713
01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:15.560
<v Speaker 9>the IR yesterday.

1714
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, the Bengals beat the Ravens on Sunday at

1715
01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>one o'clock. I don't believe, so please continue. Well, I

1716
01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:25.359
<v Speaker 1>got now, who's the one among us that said that

1717
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:28.119
<v Speaker 1>guy right there said the Bengals, who's gonna win New

1718
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.159
<v Speaker 1>England with the Banks? Second game? To who's going to

1719
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>win in the Banks? And the third seventeen? And oh

1720
01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>what did I say you had him seventeen and oh

1721
01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:37.079
<v Speaker 1>h I tell the truth.

1722
01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:40.760
<v Speaker 14>You had them well, you had him winning. No, you

1723
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:43.159
<v Speaker 14>hadn't win tying two games. I think you had him

1724
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:46.000
<v Speaker 14>like it fo fourteen fourteen and two?

1725
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Who mockey? Well, who's writer? Who's more correct at this point?

1726
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Who's writer? That's me, favor it's you. Yeah, but you

1727
01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:57.399
<v Speaker 1>know I'm saying now they're going to beat the Ravens.

1728
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.239
<v Speaker 14>The other one, if your other bet comes true is

1729
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.680
<v Speaker 14>that that Joe Burrow won't play half the games, then

1730
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:03.359
<v Speaker 14>this town.

1731
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Will go up a christ crisis month. But right now

1732
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:08.319
<v Speaker 1>he's playing as well as he can play, but he

1733
01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:11.479
<v Speaker 1>can't play linebacker. Have you thought about Joe Burrow playing

1734
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>defensive tackle? Is that possible? No?

1735
01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:16.960
<v Speaker 14>But I said this a long time ago. So we

1736
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:20.359
<v Speaker 14>want to play for the Bengals. What about Will Benson?

1737
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:22.800
<v Speaker 14>That guy's like six four two thirty five.

1738
01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Get him out there, Get him out there, and he

1739
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>played defensive tackle. Joe Burrow so good he can play default.

1740
01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.439
<v Speaker 1>What about some of those relievers. Tony Santon's big, Get

1741
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>him out there, get him out there to play the

1742
01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:35.199
<v Speaker 1>beans in town? How many yards are the Ravens going

1743
01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to run for on the ground. How many Dereck Henry

1744
01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>eight yard run? He's faster, he's a man, he's founds,

1745
01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>he's a hairy s man. You know he only eats.

1746
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>He only eats after four o'clock and.

1747
01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:53.560
<v Speaker 9>Like eats an avocado and a banana before practice.

1748
01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Like when I play.

1749
01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.560
<v Speaker 14>I told this yesterday, when I played, I was eating

1750
01:31:57.920 --> 01:31:59.960
<v Speaker 14>between four and forty five hundred calori.

1751
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:00.439
<v Speaker 1>He's a day.

1752
01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:03.039
<v Speaker 14>That was just a main taint, right, because your bike's burning,

1753
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.079
<v Speaker 14>burn and burning. How does a two hundred and fifty

1754
01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:08.159
<v Speaker 14>pound guy man who eats his first meal at four

1755
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:12.039
<v Speaker 14>o'clock stuff four to five thousand calories in his stomach.

1756
01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:14.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happens if he runs like that. Again,

1757
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>we're in more trouble than we think. Is that correct? Yeah?

1758
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Well I think. Aren't the Ravens a small favorite? Yes?

1759
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I believe so small favorite. Won't bet me a hot

1760
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:30.199
<v Speaker 1>but Sunday I'll take the ravensday, because then you swindled me.

1761
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:32.880
<v Speaker 14>You tricked me into I go again. You tricked me

1762
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:35.039
<v Speaker 14>going against my gut. I had to go into question

1763
01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:35.680
<v Speaker 14>and good gut.

1764
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:38.399
<v Speaker 9>But you you like bamboozle, Yes, well, you had a

1765
01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:40.600
<v Speaker 9>good weekend though Harrison won.

1766
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, s yes, Dame Dame over Louisville. Ye, the Little

1767
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Rocks team won. There you go, there you go, and

1768
01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>make it right that one of the Little Rocks has

1769
01:32:52.079 --> 01:32:53.279
<v Speaker 1>a broken arm.

1770
01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:58.800
<v Speaker 14>So apparently according to the story, see other kids are

1771
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:01.600
<v Speaker 14>in the house right down stairs, and they have taken

1772
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:04.680
<v Speaker 14>the couch cushions off the off the couch and stacked

1773
01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:06.640
<v Speaker 14>them up, and they're taking turns.

1774
01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>They would grab the littlest Rock, one by each arm

1775
01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:13.479
<v Speaker 1>and like slinging, he flies through the air and land on.

1776
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:15.720
<v Speaker 14>The couch cushions, which are about four foot in the air,

1777
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:19.159
<v Speaker 14>and bounce off. And then we think either on the

1778
01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:23.800
<v Speaker 14>landing he broke his wrist. Sounds like an Iranian missile.

1779
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Guy's got smacked on Monday and smacked down Monday the

1780
01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:34.159
<v Speaker 1>whole time, apparently until the wrist bricks. Where's me and

1781
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Gene Oklan to call this right? Speaking of did use

1782
01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>any chairs?

1783
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:38.960
<v Speaker 11>Do you?

1784
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>They don't?

1785
01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:46.479
<v Speaker 14>Well houses, everything's broken their house, everything holes, Well, you

1786
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:48.359
<v Speaker 14>wanted it, now you got, that's right, we got.

1787
01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:51.479
<v Speaker 1>I would have one. Now she's got. She had to

1788
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>be fair. She's over for three. I'm over three. You're

1789
01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the one deciding that factory. Does she want another one?

1790
01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>We talk about it, but I'm forty four. I can't.

1791
01:34:02.920 --> 01:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't. You're pretty old. We have to be seventy

1792
01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>at the I can't do that. I can't do it.

1793
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:11.680
<v Speaker 14>But nonetheless, I'm not a guy that's good with numbers

1794
01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.600
<v Speaker 14>at all. I wish I were dates and stuff like

1795
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:18.319
<v Speaker 14>you are. But I remember forty one ninety two and

1796
01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:21.840
<v Speaker 14>forty two fifty six. Those numbers I remember.

1797
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>For all times.

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01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.880
<v Speaker 9>And if I remember right, he got forty one ninety

1799
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:29.720
<v Speaker 9>one in Chicago, correct, right? And I think Marge calls

1800
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:32.600
<v Speaker 9>the shot calls and said get out of the game,

1801
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:35.840
<v Speaker 9>out because you don't want forty one ninety two at

1802
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:39.840
<v Speaker 9>Wrigley Field. She wants a packed house like on Tuesday

1803
01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:41.000
<v Speaker 9>Night against the Pods.

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01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>First, you might recall the show not a shot center

1805
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:49.039
<v Speaker 1>two one count runs down and says he and he says, hey,

1806
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:52.720
<v Speaker 1>mister Rose March Shot called and said take you out

1807
01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of the lineup. He gave the attendant that one finger

1808
01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>salute and went back up and hit and thank god

1809
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>he will pay it outs because Marge wanted to call

1810
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:05.359
<v Speaker 1>sellouts and he was in Chicago, and Pete wanted to

1811
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:07.039
<v Speaker 1>win the game when it didn't matter.

1812
01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:10.359
<v Speaker 14>By September March, she probably should have got him out

1813
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:12.199
<v Speaker 14>of the game when he was like four hits away

1814
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:12.520
<v Speaker 14>from it.

1815
01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>So then you can you can get the three game

1816
01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:17.079
<v Speaker 1>series and maybe this is the night.

1817
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:22.119
<v Speaker 9>Nonetheless, Eric Shall with a pitcher Carmelo Melo Carmelo Martinez

1818
01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Speaker 9>caught the ball on the bounce and left field, and

1819
01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:29.640
<v Speaker 9>then you got the infamous play at Home Plate All

1820
01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:33.239
<v Speaker 9>Star Game nineteen seventy. Here crashing into what we're ay fosse,

1821
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:34.279
<v Speaker 9>I mean.

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01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:39.079
<v Speaker 14>My dad last night after football, it's about whatever, you know.

1823
01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:42.359
<v Speaker 14>Eight o'clock calls me. My dad calls me for three things.

1824
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:46.800
<v Speaker 14>One to talk about football, two ask about how his

1825
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:48.760
<v Speaker 14>grandsons are doing, and ask.

1826
01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:49.199
<v Speaker 1>How I'm doing.

1827
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:51.319
<v Speaker 14>And he calls and goes, he, I just want to

1828
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:53.880
<v Speaker 14>tell you I just heard on the radio Pete Rose

1829
01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.439
<v Speaker 14>just die. And I've coursed him, knew that, And I

1830
01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:01.720
<v Speaker 14>was like, yeah, He's like, man, that's just man, such

1831
01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:04.159
<v Speaker 14>a shame. He's like, all right, I just want to

1832
01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:06.800
<v Speaker 14>take that. You see what he meant to those, you know,

1833
01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:10.399
<v Speaker 14>to people right for so long, So God bless him.

1834
01:36:10.720 --> 01:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Segment get us out of the stute. Report on the

1835
01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>day after Pete Rose is dead.

1836
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:19.439
<v Speaker 9>Willy the hit King, rest in peace. We leave you

1837
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:23.439
<v Speaker 9>with the immortal words of the stewed report.

1838
01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Systems not working, a moment of silence, and Pete Rose

1839
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>died on the day the National League ended this regular season.

1840
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Those are those two extra games? Wasn't you with the

1841
01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Rick Flair last night? We're on Twitter. Rick Flair said, Hey,

1842
01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I just saw you last night. Blah blah blah blah blah.

1843
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Look it up.

1844
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:47.479
<v Speaker 13>Ah right, this is Pete Rose when I need the

1845
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:50.239
<v Speaker 13>price at pork Bellies. I listened to the yid man

1846
01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:52.359
<v Speaker 13>on seven hundred WL.

1847
01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>And you gave a shower to Pete Rose? Is that true?

1848
01:36:56.880 --> 01:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Gave a shower, no sponge, no every nok and crean lufah.

1849
01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Come on, come on, break your break yours. Dennison is

1850
01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:10.199
<v Speaker 1>the last man I gave a shower too on seven

1851
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:11.359
<v Speaker 1>hundred that you all don't