WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.560 PayPal jar open for Andrew to Tollvey, who sends us 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:06.320 a quick buck and says, you know what, making up 3 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:09.359 for being a loser skipping my morning coffee. 4 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:13.439 Hey, you know, I appreciate the fact that he admits 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:13.839 the truth. 6 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.359 I mean skipping your coffee for that cast. Yes, we're 7 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:22.600 back in the main event nineteen me some coffee for 8 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.280 that matter, or some uh what was it Nordelli's m 9 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.920 We got a we got a gift card there and 10 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.479 it was for and we were like trying to figure 11 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.759 out what the what the reference was to and it 12 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:42.280 was apparently, uh, we had made we had made some 13 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:51.159 kind of comment about pall Bearer uh being buried in Hash. 14 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.640 Rob Writes writes to us. 15 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.079 The Nardelli's gift card was inspired by The Buried, a 16 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.439 live episode The Lapsed Tight and Office's lunch order while 17 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.159 brainstorming dropping truckloads of earth onto Mickey James and Tristratus 18 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:02.359 at WrestleMania twenty two. 19 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:03.280 Oh My God. 20 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.159 Episode also featured audio with Paul Barre being buried alive 21 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.719 in hash. Lapsed Food. 22 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.920 You got damn right, damn right, that's a good shirt 23 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:13.319 right there. 24 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.040 The Lapsed Food, The Lapsed Food the lapsed Cuisine if 25 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:18.239 you will there we go said, do you remember joking 26 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:20.319 about Paul Barre being buried in hash? 27 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.319 I don't even I don't even remember that. I don't. 28 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.799 I don't remember it per se. But that doesn't mean 29 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.159 it didn't happen. But it won us a free sandwich. 30 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.439 I guess, god, you know, people don't I think. I 31 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:34.120 think also the order from Titan Towers that they order 32 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.959 from Nardelli's we joked about, which I do remember that. 33 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:39.040 I remember them deciding what to have for lunch because 34 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:41.239 it's going to be a long, a long, a long meeting, 35 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:42.120 long strategies. 36 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.280 Nordelli's Yeah, down the street perfect? Can I get an 37 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.519 I'm gonna get a one of the the the full, 38 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:54.760 the you know, a whole Italian with you with everything 39 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:56.680 on it. Nordelli's way. 40 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.280 Let me ask you something. Can you put a protein 41 00:01:59.319 --> 00:01:59.959 bar in a sub? 42 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.159 Let me have something? Do you listen? Do you put 43 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:08.360 protein in your subs? Well? Yeah, we put more of 44 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.960 you down and I understand that. Do you put protein? 45 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:13.120 Do you put unadulterated way protein in yourself? 46 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.000 I'm talking about do you like the powder? Do you 47 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:22.639 drizzle it on the sandwich? Absolutely not. No, I don't. 48 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:29.000 I don't think so, well, why not do you understand? No? 49 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:36.080 What a wonderful follow up question. Do you understand? There's 50 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:42.360 why not? And there's d what do you understand? Speaking 51 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:45.759 of which, we talked quite a bit earlier this year 52 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:51.199 about WWF taking off on NBC do you do covering 53 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.159 the very first Saturday and it's main event from nineteen 54 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.280 eighty five? And we were talking a lot about the 55 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:57.159 main event nineteen eighty eight, which of course we've covered 56 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.599 in the archives with Hogan and Andre, but which did 57 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.000 all those ratings and everything, and the Solar System was 58 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:05.360 extra sharp on that, keeping us in check when we 59 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.439 forgot certain things or didn't place things into the appropriate context. 60 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:11.599 And so in the spirit of that, let's go to 61 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:14.520 a couple of pieces of correspondence. This one here kicks 62 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:19.520 us off, kicks us off from Josh, who starts starts 63 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.080 at a high level. He starts with Barth. 64 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.520 Yes, and that's where you that's where we all should start, honestly, 65 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.319 uh Boston, Part one of this episode, you wished there 66 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.319 was a time where people could just appreciate wrestling for 67 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.599 what it could be. I'd like to share something I 68 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.479 wrote earlier today, and inspired by you guys, that I'd 69 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:38.719 be very interested in the co chairs and the solar 70 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.479 systems thoughts. First, let me start with a quote from 71 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:50.280 Roland bart quote. The virtue of all in wrestling is 72 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:54.000 that it is the spectacle of excess. Yes, here we 73 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:59.800 find a grandiloquence. Wow, that's when you don't hear every 74 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:06.840 day a grandiloquence, A grandiloquent word indeed, which must have 75 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:12.479 been that of ancient theaters. And in fact, wrestling is 76 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:17.000 an open air spectacle. For what makes the circus or 77 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:22.720 the arena what they are? Wait for what makes oh, no, no, 78 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.199 I see? And in fact, wrestling is an open air 79 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.240 spectacle for what makes the circus or the arena what 80 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:32.519 they are is not the sky a Roman circus was covered. 81 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.439 It is the drenching and vertical quality of the flood 82 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.160 of lights, even hidden by red velvet. Wrestling partakes of 83 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:47.120 the nature of the great solar spectacles, Greek drama and bullfights. 84 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:52.519 In both, a light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve. 85 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:59.199 There are people who think that wrestling is an ignoble sport. 86 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:07.360 Wrestling is not a sport. I mean fucking says it 87 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:07.800 right there. 88 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:13.279 Sports even has to has to make sure that nobody 89 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:14.319 thinks he thinks it's real. 90 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:20.240 Yeah, exactly, even he's got a little bit of shame. Shame. 91 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.959 It is a wrestling is not a sport. It is 92 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.759 a spectacle, and it is no more ignoble than to 93 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:33.319 attend to wrestled a wrestled performance that went down. Hold on, 94 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:34.879 I know it's not done yet. 95 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:35.160 I know. 96 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.680 A wrestled performance of suffering. 97 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.800 Capital s yes, I mean what have we been saying, folks? 98 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:55.800 Barth knew the great philosophers know what we're on than 99 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.199 a performance of the sorrows of a mole? 100 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:06.279 Is it a mole? Our novel? Our novel? Arnolfi? Or Androma? 101 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.120 Queen drama Kay? And Rama Kay? Isn't that? 102 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:17.800 Wasn't that Charlotte's husband and Rama Ka? Well, there's only 103 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:23.360 was a lot of andrama there. Of course, suffering in 104 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.480 wrestling is not a sign. It is the very meaning 105 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.360 of the spectacle, even hidden by red velvet. Wrestling partakes 106 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.160 of the nature of the great solar spectacles. Greek Oh 107 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:38.120 that he repeats himself, Greek drama. Bullfights in both a 108 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.160 light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve, and then 109 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:48.480 from Wyndham Rotunda. Yes, Bray Wyatt quote, wrestling is not 110 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.480 a love story. It's a fairy tale for masochists. 111 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:59.800 Wow. A comedy for people who criticize punchlines. Wow wow, 112 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.000 Oh love that. That's that's What do you like. 113 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.519 About a comedy for people who criticize punchlines? What does 114 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:07.639 that do for you? 115 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:13.680 Like it? It's it's for what that says to me 116 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.000 in a way. It's kind of funny. It's like, this 117 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:21.600 is a place for the cynics. This is the place 118 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:26.199 for everybody, for the people who don't like anything else. Yes, yes, yes, 119 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:35.480 that's true. Yep, yep. A fantasy. Most can't understand a spectacle. 120 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.920 No one can deny. Lines are blurred, heroes are villains. 121 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:47.759 Budgets are cut businesses, business budgets are cut. It must 122 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.879 have been that year got laid off. But it can 123 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.079 also be a land where dead men walk, where honor 124 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:56.079 I mean, especially with the video games, that's all they 125 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.720 do is walk. They always bring them back. Where honor 126 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:00.720 makes you elite. 127 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:06.600 Were demon capitalized, agent capitalized, d so corny, where demons 128 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.720 run for office and rock bottom is a finishing maneuver. 129 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:15.000 No is a reason is a reason to rejoice. Woo, 130 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.240 it's an escape. 131 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.839 Think about him, man, think about him, Man rock Bottom, Man, 132 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.040 I know rock Bottom, but it means I'm a different 133 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.439 man than this world we're in. Man, you know your 134 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:27.720 dad doesn't talk like that. Right. 135 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:31.199 Where did this develop? Where did this kind of voice develops? Honey, 136 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:37.879 I think we need a different accountant. Yeah, he is 137 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.080 not a chip off the old block. 138 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:40.200 No, not at all. 139 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.440 He's not a chip off the old H and R block. No, 140 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.759 he's not H and R shoulder block. How was that 141 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:46.600 not a finisher? 142 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:49.440 You know what? It would be great, you know what, 143 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:53.039 it would actually great if at one point Vince McMahon 144 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:58.559 made bray Wyatt be an accountant, like be like, you know, 145 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.320 I don't know like some some you know, play off 146 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.000 of the I R s. And He's like, Vince, I 147 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.360 can dig him in. I can do it in the 148 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.559 Blues clues, man, I can it can be. 149 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.360 It can be a run. I can self referential. Vince's like, no, Pal, 150 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.879 you get the wrong idea. No, no, certain no, no, 151 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:15.639 this is it. This is your character you're gonna be. 152 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:17.799 You know, you're the son of an accountant, just like 153 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.759 Dusty was a son of a player an accountant. Yeah, 154 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:22.960 we we decry. 155 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.000 All the occupation based gimmicks of the mid nineties, But 156 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.159 I ask you what's worse being the wrestling garbage man 157 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.120 or being the son of a wrestling garbage man. 158 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.759 You're gonna be the son of a wrestling you know, 159 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:42.480 a tax collector. You know he he taxes the wrestlers, 160 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.679 and you tax our time. Hell bell, he might just 161 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.720 tax his way to the title. He might tax his 162 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.200 way to the title. Maybe you will, Maybe you'll do 163 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.440 what your dad couldn't and tax your way to the 164 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.120 WWS champions I can see it. I can see it 165 00:09:58.159 --> 00:09:58.600 right now. Pal. 166 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.519 You can grab a hold or you can rab a withholding. 167 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.600 You know you could, you know you got well how 168 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.519 about this? You know you got brock Lesner's got the 169 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.360 F five. You could have the W two. How about 170 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.080 that he wrote them off? 171 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.639 One could say, you have a certain I don't know 172 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:23.559 into it, shin. 173 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:32.919 You could be the Turbo tax collector. Well then, big 174 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.399 fan of that. We could sell that to Turbo tax foul, right, 175 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.799 we can You know you could do commercials. You just 176 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.080 know you could that if they came up with the 177 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.320 I R. Skimmick, in twenty twenty five. They would find 178 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:47.279 a way to sell it to Turbo Tax. Absolutely all 179 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:51.320 the logos all over the fucking arena when they wrestled. Yes, yes, 180 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:52.879 And you know he would have been they would have 181 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.399 made a deal to have him be the spokesperson for TurboTax, 182 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.200 and he had been in all the commercials and then 183 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:01.919 he'd like beat people up or something. 184 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.879 You can see you can see bray Wyatt, like the 185 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.519 commercial opens, he's got the spectacles on. He's kind of 186 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.240 like dressed like a square accountant guy, and you know, 187 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.720 the tax season can be distressful, and then he rips 188 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.200 it off and everything blows up like the Super Bowl 189 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:16.000 commercial they did. 190 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.080 Oh my god, it'd be so great. I think it'd 191 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.399 be so fucking funny. Well, they still got a Rotundo, 192 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.679 don't they. Isn't is it one of them? His brother? Yeah, 193 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:31.120 although he's disappeared, but well, you know, it's tax season, 194 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.639 after all, they could bring him back as a tax collector. 195 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:37.159 And after all, like the tax office blows up and 196 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.200 bray Wyatt walks out the front door. They just show 197 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.799 Mike Rotundo in the background with his his glasses down 198 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.240 at his nose, shaking his head, like, what is going on? 199 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:52.039 Oh, I think that'd be great. I think that would 200 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:56.720 be great. Uh, demon's running. Brock Botto is the reasonly woo. 201 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.240 It's a it's an escape, a reason to point at 202 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.399 the blame at any one but yourself for two to 203 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.080 three hours, an excuse to be a kid again, and 204 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.720 nothing matters except the moment we are in. 205 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:08.799 He's describing, by the way, all entertainment. 206 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.120 That's fine, I know exactly. Wrestling is not a love story. 207 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:12.960 It's much more. 208 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:18.440 It's oh, hope, Well, it certainly has a way of 209 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:19.559 attracting the hopeless. 210 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:21.480 So I can see what you're trying to say. And 211 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.679 in a world surrounded in hate, greed and violence, a 212 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.399 world where closure may never come, we all know a 213 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.799 place that has that has hot and cold hope on 214 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:36.840 tap for better or for worse. Not anyone who has 215 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.919 never understood professional wrestling. These two quotes might seem contradictory. 216 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.399 Barth paints it as grand theater, a morality play of suffering. 217 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.480 Why it, on the other hand, describes it as a sanctuary, 218 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.960 a place where reality bend is just enough to let 219 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:54.200 us breathe. But the truth is they're saying the same thing, 220 00:12:55.759 --> 00:13:00.519 because wrestling isn't about competition, It's about emotion, Daddy, And 221 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.799 for those of us who have lived through trauma, who 222 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.799 have led our who have had our lives rewritten in 223 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.799 ways we never asked for, wrestling offers something no other 224 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.759 medium does. It takes pain, the kind of pain we bury, 225 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.960 the kind of pain that festers in the back of 226 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.440 our minds, and turns into something we can see, something 227 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:23.759 we can feel without consuming us. Wrestling externalizes suffering. It 228 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:27.480 makes it something you can cheer for, rage against, invest in, 229 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:31.279 and most importantly see resolve. It used to be that way. 230 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.679 It used to be that way because I never you know, 231 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.159 I've never, when considering my deepest, darkest pain, broke out 232 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:38.480 in chance of this is awesome. 233 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:45.360 Yeah. No, No, or even my my biggest joy usually 234 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.159 my big my happiest moment. We be speechless, right. 235 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.720 Yes, And rarely when I see something I cheer, rage, 236 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.039 cheer for, or rage against or invest in become resolved 237 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:56.559 and real in front of my eyes, do I think 238 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.000 to myself, where's the herd camera? Can I get onto you? 239 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:07.159 I'm always looking for the hard camera. Hold on here? 240 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:07.799 Where was I? 241 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:15.039 I just accidentally because here's the thing, and the real world, 242 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:19.000 closure is a myth. The bad guys don't always get 243 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:20.879 what's coming to them, well neither in wrestling, for that matter. 244 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.600 The people we love disappear and sometimes there are no answers. 245 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.679 But in wrestling, Oh, in wrestling, the score always gets settled. 246 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.000 The hero does come back from rock bottom, the villain 247 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.120 will pay for their sins, betrayals are answered, debts are collected, 248 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:39.840 especially if you're irs, and every tragedy serves a purpose. 249 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.840 It's catharsis plain and simple. But more than that, it's escapism. 250 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.480 For those few hours, we don't have to be ourselves. 251 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.159 We don't have to be the people carrying whatever weight 252 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.399 life is dumped on our backs. Instead, we can step 253 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:57.840 into an absurd, ridiculous, beautiful world where pain is temporary, 254 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.200 where the fight is never over, and where the impossible 255 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.360 can happen. That's why bray Wyatt could create monsters and 256 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.279 demons and yet still be one of the most human 257 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:12.080 figures in wrestling, because wrestling is where pain transforms into mythology. 258 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.559 We're suffering isn't just something that happens to you. It's 259 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.480 part of the story and the world that often leaves 260 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.279 us adrift wondering why things happen the way they do. 261 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.759 Sometimes all we need is a place where the suffering 262 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.399 means something, even if it's just for a little while. 263 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:35.200 Thoughts well, Josh, I would agree that it it does. 264 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.879 It does provide a respite from the reality that people 265 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.960 suffer all the time and nothing comes of it, no one, 266 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.360 no life lessons are gained. There's you know, there's no 267 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.679 there's no upside, there's no there's no silver lining, you know. 268 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.039 That's why it's so uh, that's why it's so comforting 269 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:59.039 to lean into visions of what happens to us after 270 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.240 we die. That's the that's the currency of religion in 271 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.039 a lot of ways, is trying to offer that comfort 272 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.080 when the plain fact is you see people who don't 273 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.879 deserve things get shit all the time, or you see 274 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:11.759 people who don't deserve to die die all the time. 275 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.240 You see people who don't deserve to live live all 276 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.720 the time. Yep, And so yeah, I guess, I guess 277 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.000 I get what you're saying. And that in wrestling, you 278 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.960 if you see something that impacts you that way, you 279 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.799 can take comfort in the fact that the storyline is 280 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.799 set up so that eventually that person's going to get 281 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:31.039 their So now the problem is that in wrestling, a 282 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.000 lot of the people that are set up to be 283 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:34.840 the good guys in those scenarios turn out to be 284 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.840 complete pieces of shit in reality, right, which is not 285 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:39.559 something you have to worry about, is it regards Peter 286 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:43.519 Parker or Clark Kent. But in wrestling, these are actually living, 287 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.440 breathing human beings deeply flawed, which explains why they're in 288 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.440 the business in the first place. And that really fucks 289 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:55.960 it up because you can't always rejoice in a I 290 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.200 don't know, in a hul Cogan winning in the end 291 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:01.240 that gets taken away from you eventually. 292 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.119 But I don't know, do you have anything to say, Boss, 293 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:10.440 it's you know, it's interesting. I can I can appreciate 294 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:14.279 the the that that idea I mean, I think I 295 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.039 don't necessarily I mean that that to me that this 296 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.880 description of of this, this place is could be anything. Honestly, 297 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.519 I don't think of it as just professional wrestling. I 298 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.759 think if it is anything a book, this this could 299 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:27.839 be the movies, you know, it could be movie theater, 300 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:28.920 could be the exact same thing. 301 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.359 But because like for me, it sounds like a lot 302 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:34.759 of what he's saying. It sounds like what they say 303 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:36.680 every year at the Academy Awards, you know, when they 304 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.559 have those big, long, drawn out like what the movies 305 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:40.880 mean moments. 306 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.480 Which is equally annoying to me. Yeah, as someone who 307 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:48.640 loves the movies, who wants you know, you know, just 308 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.039 always had a fascination with with movies and being a 309 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.559 part of it. I I it's like, come on, like 310 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.680 what you what are you doing? Like, yes, there are listen. 311 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.920 Art is art is the most to this day, is 312 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.920 like the most underappreciated thing we can we do with that. 313 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.880 That that that in this world, you know, everyone everyone 314 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.319 wants other things more than or things, other things are 315 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.559 more important than art, even though there are a million 316 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.680 reasons to show that art can be one of the 317 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:22.079 most important things to to to help people or to 318 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.319 do anything like it's but at the same time, it's 319 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:32.079 like there are yeah, this this thing they do with 320 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:36.039 making the you know, the movies feel so like this 321 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.880 like it's saving people lives, save with people with lives, 322 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.359 and listen, it does. For sure, there are people's lives 323 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:44.640 who are say by by watching movies. In certain way, 324 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:48.240 it's not necessarily directly for sure, but it's like it's 325 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:53.279 you know, those films are one in a million, you know, 326 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.160 like you can probably count on maybe two or three 327 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:01.920 a year that that could and don't necessarily don't necessarily 328 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:07.200 get to the point where they have that impact. Now, wrestling, 329 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.720 for me as a kid, when I first got into it, 330 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.880 I was not a real sports fan. That's not a 331 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:21.319 sports key agreed, because I just never you know, it 332 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:23.000 just I don't know it was ever. I like, I like, 333 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.640 I've always liked going to games. I've always liked going 334 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.160 to games, but I was never into sports like a 335 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.319 lot like most other people are. And that is the 336 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.079 key deliinegation, because it's I'm not saying one's better than 337 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.599 the other, but if you came to pro wrestling being 338 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.599 a huge fan of real sports, then you want pro 339 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.119 wrestling to be something different than people who came to 340 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.839 it from comic books and and this is what I 341 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.839 wanted sports to be. To me. That's what drew me 342 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.799 in was the fact that holy shit, you know, like 343 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:00.559 they they're treating it like a sport. But this is 344 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.559 what I want sports to be, right, Like, I don't 345 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:04.720 even like boxing when I was a kid, like it 346 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.359 just it bored me, you know, like I just never 347 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.720 found it interesting, but this did because it was like, yes, 348 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:14.359 this is what sports should be. 349 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:18.039 It's all high spot, it's all it's all what it's 350 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:20.839 all towards the goal of making the most exciting things 351 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:22.759 possible happen in front of your eyes. It's not all 352 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.839 high spots. But it's also like it's like, you know, 353 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.279 what do I want on like a football field. I 354 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:32.079 want the other team to attack the team on the sidelines. 355 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:34.400 I want the team to I want the teams to 356 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.799 fight on the sidelines, you know, like have a pull 357 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.240 apart brawl on the sidelines that doesn't get pulled apart. 358 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.720 Yeah that's what that they actually, you know, and that's 359 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.039 all that's to me what wrestling was like, here are 360 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.880 athletes who are kicking each other's ass because they don't 361 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.519 like each other, and I'm like, that's amazing. 362 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:54.720 Yeah, it's boundless in that way, like you can. Pro 363 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:57.880 wrestling allows you to let people react as we would 364 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.240 all like to react deep in our souls, you know, 365 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:02.559 but we can't because we live in a society and 366 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.799 unless you want to be a total fucking idiot and 367 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:07.880 you have to keep that inside. 368 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.319 And like and and and I can, I can, And 369 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:13.680 it is interesting. It is a very curious thing. I 370 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:17.160 will say this. One thing that I think wrestling has 371 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:25.720 over any other form of entertainment is that at its best, 372 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:33.960 there are at its best, it is a way to 373 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:42.279 to to like, see, I take the you know everyone 374 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:48.599 everyone Austin McMahon. Okay, everyone loved the idea of, you know, 375 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.359 being able to beat up their own boss. That was 376 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.720 the way most people lived vicariously through Steve Austin's They 377 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.680 would watch this to see, you know, to feel like, yes, 378 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.599 that's what I want to do my boss. For me 379 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:00.519 in high school, that's what I wanted to do to 380 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.839 my principal, right, sure, any authority, you know, anybody exactly. 381 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.359 It was like, you know, there was that one you know, 382 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.799 well not the not the overall principle, but the you know, 383 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.480 the the dean of the junior, the dean of students juniors, 384 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:17.240 and anybody that you felt was abusing their power, right right, 385 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.519 or at least like didn't let you do what you want? 386 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.160 Abusing their power? Yeah, well, not necessarily. Sometimes there are 387 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.200 rules in place in which they're not abusing their power. 388 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.119 You just don't want to go by the rules, you know, 389 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:33.319 And because like I'll say, the Dean, she never fucking 390 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.799 shed an abuse her power, Like she just followed the rules. 391 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.680 But you know, when you go to a Catholic high school, 392 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:41.920 you don't want to have to fucking tuck your shirt 393 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:43.119 in every fucking minute of the day. 394 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.200 And you tell yourself that if they really wanted to, 395 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.119 they wouldn't have to follow that rule to a t 396 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.799 and nothing would happen to them, right, right, And that 397 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.440 that that's kind of what I mean by abuse of power. 398 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.640 It's not that they're going outside the rules, which is 399 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:55.400 a great point. I mean that is abusive power is 400 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.240 when you go extra judicial in a way. But but 401 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.119 the you know, if anybody can tell you what to do, 402 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.680 it's very easy to to say, you know, you didn't 403 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.640 have to do that. I don't care what the rules say, 404 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:07.480 you know, right, And that that's kind of like Vince, 405 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:08.799 you know a lot of the things that he was 406 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.160 telling Steve Austin to do in the beginning kind of 407 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.079 makes sense just coldly on paper. Is if he's the 408 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:16.319 guy who runs the organization and wants to keep it, 409 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.559 you know, respectable or whatever the gimmick was. You know, 410 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:23.119 you can understand why he's acting this way, but you also, 411 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.119 you know, wrestling gives you license to just stomp all 412 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.599 over that with no consequence, you know, and we can't 413 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.319 do that in life. You know, there there are people 414 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.400 who will own us until the day we die. Yep, 415 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.039 there is no other way to organize a society. That's 416 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.799 when it lasts. And so agreed, we we navigate it. 417 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.200 We navigate accordingly. We download the rules of the game, 418 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:46.519 and we don't drive ourselves insane trying to pretend that 419 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:51.079 we can somehow circumnavigate that that whole thing. We just 420 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.920 play the game. So good stuff, thought provoking. 421 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.480 Stuff, now, I yeah, and then they're they're they're parts 422 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.680 of that that I totally, I totally can agree with, 423 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:06.279 But you know, I just think, yeah, I don't know, 424 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.839 in a weird way, I feel like Bray Wyatt, It's 425 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.680 wrestling is too deep for him, Like, well, calm down, 426 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.799 I agree, Yeah, he got he rest in peace. I 427 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:20.799 really enjoyed a lot of the stuff that he did, 428 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:22.599 But there's a reason that it always hit a wall 429 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.200 with him because eventually it gets cringe, you know, Eventually 430 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.920 it's like this is this is calm down, you know, like, 431 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.480 and most of us are not watching it so that 432 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.079 we don't go into a depression watching it, right, because 433 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.000 it can be pretty cool if done well right, And listen, 434 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.920 all the power to him, because he's the only person 435 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.640 in the world who could pull off a fucking exactly 436 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.759 a horror monster character and to that degree, like. 437 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:47.519 Off the kind of promos he was cutting, you know, 438 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.640 just so abstract. And but there's something really kind of 439 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.160 like sad when wrestling has to be abstract art. You know, 440 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.519 it's like it's the one thing that should allowed. It 441 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:58.240 should be on the nose. It should be what you 442 00:24:58.279 --> 00:24:59.559 see is what you get, you know. 443 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.880 Right because again, like I like I said, I see 444 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.880 it like a sport. I see it like a fantasy sport, right, Matt, Right, again, 445 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.319 you see athletes just want to beat each other up. 446 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:14.720 They don't they don't hold back in their anger. They 447 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.359 let their anger take over. 448 00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.799 And there's room for character there, I mean, every sport. 449 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.319 When you learn about some of the craziest personalities you 450 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:25.880 find out Brian Pillman was Brian Pillman in a lot 451 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.119 of ways before he ever became a pro wrestler of course, 452 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.680 you know, and football players share a lot in common 453 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.559 with the wrestlers, as Kim would talked about, So it's 454 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:35.599 not like this is unique to wrestling. That you know, 455 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:39.599 these people can have characters and successful at their sport. 456 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:43.519 But I'm sorry, somebody wired like Bray was in any 457 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.119 other sport, it's not going to be a pro. He's 458 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.200 too scatterbrain, like you can't. So so it kind of 459 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:50.759 it starts to get a little ridiculous. And this was 460 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.960 always Bray's problem when he took that whole thing and 461 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:55.279 then try to get in the ring and make us 462 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.839 care about wins and losses. That there was those spark 463 00:25:57.880 --> 00:25:59.759 moments where people felt he was so good at his 464 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.359 care that they wanted to see him get his flowers. 465 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.440 But wanting someone to win the title to get their 466 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.400 flowers is a lot different than wanting someone to win 467 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.319 the title because they fucking rule and you know, right, 468 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.400 and it's their time and they're finally getting their hands 469 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.480 on somebody and their opportunity. Bray, it was always like, okay, 470 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.440 now now he has to wrestle, and everything that makes 471 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.799 him interesting doesn't translate into a match, right, And when 472 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.599 they tried to do it, it became a complete shit show, right, 473 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.119 the right shit show, The Purple Match, what was it, 474 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.240 the the Mountain Dew black Match, the worms on the canvas. 475 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:35.799 They had to do so much of that because it's 476 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:37.599 so impossible just to put them in the ring, and 477 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:42.119 you have people care you know, right, interesting stuff. Yeah, 478 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.000 it definitely is on twin Peaks, Chad writes. Once, during 479 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.680 a vacation of Seattle, a couple of friends and I 480 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:48.799 took a twin Peak side trip to Tweet's Cafe, which 481 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.480 is the real life Double R. Yes, I ordered some 482 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.200 sort of open faced turkey sandwich. There was so much 483 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.200 gravy on the plate it must have been a leader. 484 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.640 My friends were making fun of my choice, so I decided, 485 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.680 fuck you guys, and I ate the whole including the 486 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:01.559 earth gravy. 487 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.279 Wow, good for you. 488 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.480 After lunch, I agree, I do like I do. Like 489 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.839 what's the word I'm looking for? Spiteful eating? Yes, there 490 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.480 is something to be said for Oh you know what 491 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:15.680 I'm gonna do about it? And you know what I'm 492 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:17.920 gonna do about all the anxieties that food gives you. 493 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:22.119 I'm going to eat right now. Yeah, whatever the fuck 494 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.799 I want? How about that exactly exactly after. 495 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:26.200 Lunch, we lot. 496 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.759 We hiked down to the bottom of snow call Me Falls. 497 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:31.480 It was a steep trail. I knew I was going 498 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:32.640 to be in trouble on the way back up. 499 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.279 Ready to go. 500 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.440 Nah, I'm enjoying this, let's say for a while, I said, 501 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.200 But I couldn't keep k fabe forever. And during and 502 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.440 after the walk back I had the worst heartburn of 503 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.200 my life. That Solar System was the day I sweated. 504 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:47.200 A leader of Brown Wow should have opted for coffee 505 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:48.079 and pie. 506 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.359 Yeah, Oh my god. That's brutal. 507 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.119 The stuff that the Twin Peaks Journey is brought out 508 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.839 of Solar System members. It's quite something to see a 509 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.279 whole different side. Daniel James done. We want to thank 510 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.000 you very much for your or his pledge. Welcome into 511 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.720 the EPT or same to you, Macbuddah, Marty. We appreciate 512 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.119 the support that piece of shit. Hulkgan followed back up 513 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.039 and asked why was Shawn's boyhood dream a big deal 514 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.839 in ninety six but not when he was trying to 515 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.039 win the Rumble in ninety four or when he actually 516 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.039 won it in ninety five and got the shot at 517 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.480 Diesel I call bullshit. I don't think Sean had dreams 518 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.200 during his boyhood. I didn't realize. 519 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.240 I also don't think he lost his smile either. I 520 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:26.559 think he had it all in a time in his 521 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.680 pocket right all the time. 522 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.440 It's true, like when they were building Wrestlmingia twelve, Shawn 523 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.759 never reflected on the other times he had title shots 524 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:35.480 and lost. That wasn't part of it. It was like, 525 00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.200 this is the first time he ever got the title shot. 526 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.559 I know, well, it was the first time he ever 527 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:40.880 had a. 528 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.319 World title shot as a babyface, right, But that's kind 529 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.839 of you know, that's kind of his point, like it 530 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.759 wouldn't have been the achievement of a boyhood dream if 531 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.720 you were a heel and won it. You know, no, 532 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.519 I guess not because that makes you because I mean, listen, 533 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.799 I agree. I'm not saying he should have said it 534 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:58.279 when he was a heel. I'm saying when he was 535 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.000 a face, maybe reference to failures in the past may 536 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.440 have made some sense, you know. Yeah, well, no, we 537 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.440 don't want to acknowledge that stuff. It's a different time 538 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.640 didn't happen. But pal anything, anything, anything prior to nineteen 539 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.119 ninety four was old generation. 540 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.960 I think yesterday was anything I want to forget. 541 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.240 Is right. I think I don't want anything. I don't 542 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.759 want to acknowledge anymore. Is not ever happened? Also right. 543 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.400 I didn't realize at first that Sean was calling his 544 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.880 fans the click. I didn't even know what the word 545 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.319 click meant. When the April Lank, I know, huh. That 546 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.000 was the first time I hear you know, you know uh, 547 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.480 because I I it was. It was so funny I 548 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.799 heard it. I heard it there. I didn't really know 549 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.160 what the fuck that meant. 550 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:42.599 And my mom, believe it or not, was the one 551 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.480 who kind of she knew what a clique was, and 552 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.799 she knew like and she started like, I remember she 553 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.759 said it one time. So I heard it first with 554 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:58.880 Sean Michaels. And then my mom said something about a clique, 555 00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.440 like are you gonna hate? It's just like that, she said, 556 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.039 you know something. It was like she said, oh, you're 557 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.559 gonna like hang out with your click or something like that, 558 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:11.920 And I was like, what the fuck is it? What 559 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.000 do you know about clicks? Mom? Exactly are you gonna 560 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:16.559 Then she explained to me what a you know, a 561 00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:19.160 click was kind of like a group or a you know, 562 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:21.599 or I mean she put it as a gang. 563 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.440 But you're not going to buy me that sewn Michael's 564 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:26.640 deadam jacket for Christmas? 565 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.359 Please don't, mom, Please, I have a little bit of 566 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.519 pride and so yeah, but so like that's what I'm 567 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:35.839 And then and then I heard it all the time 568 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.720 after that, then I heard it all the time, and 569 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.160 like there was even a group in high school, in 570 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.680 my high school that people called the Click. Yeah. I 571 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.119 was like, the fuck? 572 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.680 Is this ship very very clicky? They sometimes? 573 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.680 Yes, oh yeah. 574 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.079 When the upper linkediny six issue of WI magazine arrived 575 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.920 in my bailbox, he writes, I remember the cover had 576 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.640 a picture of Seawan Michaels in the headline kicking it 577 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:56.079 with the click. 578 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:56.880 I remember that. Yeah. 579 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.160 Since I didn't know what click meant, I thought k 580 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.160 l i Q you were the call letters of a 581 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:01.880 radio station. 582 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.000 Oh that's good, there you go, that's yeah, that works. 583 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.880 Why is there an article in this magazine about Sean 584 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:08.519 Michaels hanging out at a radio. 585 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:17.240 Station hanging with you got a kali q pop radio? 586 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:18.079 I'll say? 587 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.920 And I had a wonderful point made here in conclusion. 588 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.680 German Wrestling had a round system, but Auto vance was 589 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:37.799 a round system, or was systemically round, systemically round. Suddenly 590 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.960 it sounds like an area of academic study. Whenever you 591 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.599 say something is systemic, all of a sudden there's professors around. 592 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.200 Yes, I believe, I believe Otto Vance was studied. 593 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.119 The question is it? The question isn't did it happen? 594 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.160 The question is is it systemic? Question is is there 595 00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.519 somebody we can blame and displace from the top echelon? 596 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.359 Is there a secretary or an executive director or a 597 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.039 CEO that we can get rid of because of this? 598 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.079 By claiming it is there, always is there, always is, 599 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:10.920 looking for that sculp, looking for that scalp. 600 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:28.519 You know, wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the 601 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:46.599 boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan. He's the 602 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.039 lapsed fan. Wrestling podcast with. 603 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:49.519 Jack, And. 604 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.759 It was always it's always so funny to me, Like, 605 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:58.960 you know, journalists take on politicians all the time, but 606 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.200 when they do an investigation and they want it to 607 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:08.200 be perceived as having consequence, they need politicians more than 608 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.880 ever because they need someone to submit a bill to 609 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.039 change the problem that they spotlighted in their reporting. Because 610 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.400 if no one wants to introduce a law to change 611 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:16.839 what it is. They pointed out that it isn't a 612 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.799 really big deal, now, is it? Strange Bedfellows? Strange bedfellows? 613 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.240 Chris writes coach chair, as I'm convinced there's a supernatural 614 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:30.440 and centrifugal force prompting a twenty twenty five TNH re Listen. 615 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:31.359 Oh my god. 616 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.200 Years after the fact, I see posts from Brandon in 617 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.799 New Jersey and he's feeling the same left wing vibration 618 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.000 sweeping the nation. Brother, hide the ball ring around the 619 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:45.079 Rosie motion for summary judgment, apropos, Hogan and Bishoff. Everything 620 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.079 that was once bad is back and worse than ever. 621 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.359 Those outside the Solar system are finally getting a taste 622 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.319 of the established lesson that doubling down on the same 623 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.400 tired formula produces and even shitty result the second time around. 624 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.160 Spoiler alert, everyone loses DNH. Pat Addison, we want to 625 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:00.799 thank you very much for your increase in pledged. It 626 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.079 seemed to you Richard Kimmel, thanks very much for stepping 627 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:07.119 up in a very big way. Cliff has mort say 628 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.039 in Royal Rumble ninety six to year co Chairs on 629 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:10.639 the Night of Rod rum ninety six, I tried to 630 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.320 bite my dad's neck. I'm just kidding. It's an old 631 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.840 you bitter goodie real ones now n ninety six I 632 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:21.840 got the biting thing under control. I did, however, have 633 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.239 another irrational fit of anger. Allow me to explain where 634 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.480 Rumble ninth ninety six was the first Royal Rumble that 635 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:28.079 I was going to watch live on pay per view. 636 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:29.880 Like most of the pay per views I'd watched by 637 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.639 the time, I asked my grandmother if she could ordered 638 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.480 on TV since she had the pay per view box. 639 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.079 I paid for it using the money I made from 640 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.360 mowing lawns the previous summer. The night of the show, 641 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.599 I gathered at my grandmother's house with her, my grandfather, 642 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:41.920 my parents, my sister Carrie, my best friend Tony. When 643 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.400 eight o'clock came, the pay per view channel was still scrambled. 644 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:50.719 Oh God, do we know the struggle? Oh it's the worst. Panic, panic, yep. 645 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.159 I grew up from every minute counts. At this point, 646 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.760 my grandmother called the cable company to get the problem fixed, 647 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.800 but no go. After a while we all realized the problem. 648 00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:59.400 Wasn't going to be fixed. 649 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.880 I walked across the street to my house with Carry 650 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.320 and Tony. Feeling dejected and disappointed, we hung out of 651 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.519 my sister's room, listening to the show through a scrambled feed. 652 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.880 It probably wasn't the best idea because all it did 653 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.440 was remind me that I couldn't watch the show, but 654 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.039 we listened anyway. When the pre Rumble promos began, I 655 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.199 was shocked to hear the voice of Jim Cornett speaking 656 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.039 for his newest charge, Vader. I was confused. The last 657 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.239 time I had seen Vader he was in WCW and 658 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.119 had become a good guy, joining Hulkogn's team of Hulk 659 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.000 a Maniacs for the Wargames match at Fall Brawl the 660 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.320 previous September. When ww F anounce which I know, and 661 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.360 that funny that Vader left is a babyface. Yeah, like 662 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.360 Vader Left is an ally of Hulkogan, not his you know, 663 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.519 chief foil. When WWF announced that Vader would be debuting 664 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:38.960 in the Rumble match, I just assumed that he would 665 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.599 continue to be a face. So you can imagine my 666 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:42.679 surprise when I heard Cornett's voice hyping up the mast 667 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.239 to Don. That surprise quickly turned into anger and with 668 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.159 the lingering disappointment of not being able to watch the 669 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.679 show weighing on my heart. My angle anger boiled over 670 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:55.719 and I shouted, Vader, you're a trader legendary. Tony just 671 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:57.880 looked at me and said, Cliff, come on. Not only 672 00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.639 did I feel betrayed by this fat piece of shit 673 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.800 by us, I felt embarrassed for acting like such an ass. 674 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.119 The night wasn't all that bad. My mom ended up 675 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.159 going to Blockbuster and renting me a wrestling tape. Oh 676 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.920 that's sweet, so I could at least watch something that night. 677 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.960 She brought home w W Hollyween Havic nineteen ninety four. 678 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.039 Tony and I watched it and decided during the wow 679 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.360 Arn Anderson Dusty Roads match to have a steel chair match. 680 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.800 It was really just a pillow fight, but we pretended 681 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.679 the pillows were steel chairs. I think I lost. 682 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:22.159 Oh yeah. 683 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.920 Anyway, my grandmother was able to order the replay of 684 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.679 Royal Rumble two nights later. So you see, there was 685 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.480 such a thing as happy endings. And I'm not talking 686 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.639 about the kind that Robert Kraft got at that day Spond, 687 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.639 Florida few years back. Yours truly, Cliff, and he says, 688 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.000 I don't know goes on in New England to catch 689 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.320 up is entirely appropriate for eggs and eggs sandwhich is 690 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:38.159 you know, we're not going to do this. 691 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.400 No, we're not going to do this. Nope, nope, nope, 692 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.480 you're wrong, You're wrong. Listen. That is the thing about ketchup, 693 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.480 all right. The thing about ketchup is if if on 694 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:56.840 certain foods, it completely overpowers everything. You know, some foods 695 00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.519 it doesn't. It did overpowers it does. 696 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.840 It really is a condiment that you use when you 697 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.719 don't like the taste of the food on the plate. 698 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.599 I'm sorry, no, I don't agree with that because I 699 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:07.320 love I love French fries with ketchup. 700 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.320 I love friend, but I love good French fries without ketchup. 701 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.559 I like decent French fries with ketchup. I no, I 702 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.760 love French fries with ketchup all the time. Okay, you 703 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.119 need and and I need and listen, by the way, yeah, 704 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:23.559 I need it on a burger listen. 705 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:25.800 And I don't want to just just ketchup. I need 706 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.480 the full you know, I mean a lot of different 707 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.760 things on on there. But yes, you do, all right, 708 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.159 you know, listen, I want to ketchup and the mayonnaise 709 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.480 and the yellow mustard and the relish and then tomato 710 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.639 and cheese, all that shit. I want to I want 711 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.239 a loaded burger, but ketchup is a must. Without it, 712 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.000 there's a weird like and I've had it without it, 713 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.719 you know, someone you know Sometimes I feel like that, 714 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.320 you know, I don't really want the ketchup and then 715 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.280 everything else that I have on it, it just makes 716 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:55.880 it too rich. But just having mustard and whatever, it's 717 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.800 like it's just too rich all of a sudden, and 718 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:04.440 like there's the vinegar miss of ketchup cuts that. See. 719 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.000 I agree, I agree with what you're saying. But when 720 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.320 I I hold that against the burger, if it's too 721 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.800 rich without ketchup, see, I think that burger doesn't. 722 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.320 Have to be that way. No, it's not the burger though. 723 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.719 It's it's like if you put the condom, let me listen. Listen. 724 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.760 Sometimes I have a burger with nothing, just a cheeseburger 725 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:26.280 bread that's it too. That's spectacular and I love that. 726 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.119 But when I want condiments on it. When I'm feeling condiments, 727 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.519 I I need to have ketchup on there. I can't 728 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:36.639 not have ketchup on there. 729 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:42.719 I need ketchup mayonnaise, mayonnaise, ketchup, mustard, raw onion, and moroccan. 730 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.239 Sure, yeah, we need any manaise for sure need mannaise 731 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.000 on there. Mayonnaise is like it's yeah, it's it's a 732 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:49.679 miracle worker. 733 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.639 I've said this before and it's very clear. McDonald's cheeseburger's 734 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.480 tastes like ketchup, Burger King cheeseburgers tastes like mustard, Wendy's 735 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.800 cheeseburgers taste like mayo. And that's that's the So whatever 736 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.000 fast food chain you grew up eating the most, that's 737 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.960 what you want in your burger. That's my personal opinion. 738 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you're not wrong. You're not 739 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.239 wrong with that, and uh it's just uh yeah, there 740 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.639 are there are some things, you know, ketchup is it. 741 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.800 I'm picky with it, like I can't just have it, 742 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.960 like I can't and I usually can't have it alone, 743 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.679 you know, like I can't have it alone. I need 744 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.760 to have something else with it. Except with French fries, 745 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.239 French frise, I can have ketchup and it's it's wonderful. 746 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.639 I guess, I guess, I guess we are going to 747 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.559 do this. Yeah, we are doing this. You can't. You 748 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.519 can't put it on the table. Listen, it's there, it's there, 749 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.280 and it's gonna be it's gotta be cattle, all right. 750 00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:46.079 So rolling on here, because Rob, he put a lot 751 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.199 of work into this, boss, and I know we don't 752 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.159 always like to encourage this, but he makes a hell 753 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.679 of a case. He says, the Fantastic Four movie qualifies 754 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:58.920 for Under the Cinema? Which one you're about to find out? Oh, 755 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.239 you can convey his uh, his findings. 756 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.599 All right, let's see, let's see him dear openers of 757 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:11.119 my anus, Like you know, I picture you got one hand, 758 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.760 I got the other. Like we just let's go, Rob. Yeah, 759 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.000 I feel like a real bitch. What do I to start? 760 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.880 Because I'm rewriting you an email last May I wrote 761 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.280 into my favorite college podcast and it was pretty cool 762 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.039 to hear Jack read out my name in the summer 763 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.639 mail bag. But the excitement ended right there when the 764 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.280 email itself disappeared quicker than the tag team of Kwang 765 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.079 and Hakushi in nineteen ninety five. So here, I am 766 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.639 pathetically rewriting that email to you guys, like the absolute 767 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.639 bitch that I am feeling like I've called a girl 768 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.199 on the phone, She's hung up on me, and now 769 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.719 I'm calling your back. Ah, you know, I would you know? 770 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.639 I think the line's good. Disconnected. I do this mainly 771 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.000 because I saw the latest trailer for the new Fantastic 772 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.199 Four movie and realized I had some info that might 773 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.480 be of use to under the cinema and the solar 774 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.719 system at large. I've hesitated to send an email like 775 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.800 for fear You'll think I'm looking for some free promotion 776 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.719 in advertising. Just do it. Just do it. Won't make 777 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:11.920 that decision. Just do it. I wouldn't dare. I'm well 778 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.079 aware I don't have that PAPS money. But hearing about 779 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.519 the whole ballgame in recent episodes, I thought the Chairman 780 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:18.719 would got a kick out of hearing about another one 781 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.760 of their podcast children outside the world of wrestling. For 782 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.159 four years now, the Marvel versus Marvel podcast has been 783 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.199 applying a good, healthy chunk of that TLF approach to 784 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.239 the world of Marvel movies and the long history of 785 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.320 the Collic books that inspired them. Hmmm, that's interesting. From 786 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.480 the beloved greats like Sam Raimi, Spider Man two, the 787 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.800 Avengers in Infinity War, to the terrible failures like Morbiasts 788 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.320 and Madam Webb, to overlook slices of history like Howard 789 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.079 the Duck, the Japanese spider Man TV show from the seventies, 790 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.199 and the failed, low budget nineteen nineties Captain America movie 791 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.360 starring the son of J. D. Salinger as Captain America. 792 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.119 It's like TLF. We have no we leave no fucking 793 00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.000 stone on the turn. That's right. I've been a member 794 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.280 of the Solar system since not quite day one. I 795 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.159 jumped board during the WrestleMania journey, and since then, I've 796 00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.719 been letting this college podcast ran my rear end to 797 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:15.679 an embarrassing degree. Hey, listen, what have we done? Yeah, listen, 798 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.159 we've done the right thing that we have. I ruined 799 00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.920 an entire family holiday for myself by spending it going 800 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.719 through the truly emotional Owen Hard episode telling my seven 801 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.280 year old niece to blame Martha Hart's book for why 802 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.519 I'm in no mood for family fun time. Please not 803 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:34.440 recommend it recommended, but not at that time of year. Yeah, 804 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.239 and then the pandemic ruined my life. I'm a comedy writer. 805 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.519 I've written for TV and radio shows in the UK, 806 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:42.760 and I spent a lot of the year working with 807 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.320 comedians on their tours and on shows for the Edinburgh 808 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.039 Film Fringe Festival. But my job took a beating once 809 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:55.079 COVID brought us a pain across the Pacific and shut 810 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.000 everything down. During the UK lockdown, we were only allowed 811 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.480 to leave the house once a day for an hour 812 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:09.760 to exercise. For you fucking prisoners, you're fucking outdoors time 813 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:14.199 to exercise or do some essential shopping quote essential shopping 814 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.079 to help stave off cavin fever and true madness. I 815 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:19.119 began binging the laps fan from the very beginning, but 816 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:24.119 I knew I needed more. I needed everything else to 817 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.599 occupy my mind than the same way that TLF occupies 818 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:34.320 my ass. It's like a you know, it's like a 819 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.480 like a like a like an insect that kind of 820 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.400 finds a little you know, like a like a carpenter bee. 821 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:42.960 You know, it's good. That's what we are. Like, we're 822 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.000 like carpenter be's, you know, he's kind of like, you know, 823 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.760 we burrow a little bit and kind of like nestle inside. 824 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:48.360 I love it. 825 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.400 Well, it's good to know the ass stuff lands with 826 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:51.840 a professional comedy writer. 827 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.400 Exactly, and once again TLF showed me the way. Of course, 828 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.159 I couldn't do a wrestling podcast. I couldn't follow them 829 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.519 directly in your massive footsteps for fear coming the Greg 830 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.400 Gagny of the podcasting world. I've had two obsessions in 831 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.360 my life, wrestling in comics. My parents even taught me 832 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.199 to read using Marvel comics. They'd wipe out Spider Man 833 00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.119 word balloons and then write in simple things for me 834 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.920 to read, like dog and ball That's pretty cool, Yeah, 835 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.800 a nice idea. One of the things I loved about 836 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.400 early TLF shows is that it very much feels like 837 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.760 an expert in the ins and outs of an industry 838 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.719 discussing shows with a die hard fan to get the 839 00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.760 two perspectives. So, as a Marvel expert of nearly forty years, 840 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.280 I got together with a friend who likes the movies 841 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.440 but has never read a Marvel comic in his life. 842 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.440 Answering all those questions, it's great and hopefully achieving the 843 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.159 true yin Yang of the fan experience. We had no 844 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.159 idea how to put a podcast together. The first few 845 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.840 episodes were a shambalic mess, until eventually I decided to 846 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.960 borrow liberally from the format of The Men who Were 847 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.800 going to town on my ass like a used chew 848 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.360 toy do daycare yep. Every show starts with us exploring 849 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.880 the production history of the movie, the behind the scenes 850 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.760 shoes between Disney and Universal, the failed Marvel projects from 851 00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:07.199 Jim Cameron and Darren Aronofsky, the rewrites, the friction between 852 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.440 cast members, and everything else. Then we take a look 853 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.840 at the business side of the comic books and how 854 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.760 these characters were created, how Marvel Comics got started, and 855 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.920 how the X Men and Hulk were failure to begin with, 856 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.480 the fights between the publishers and the creators, and the 857 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.079 legendary artists who died in poverty while their creations became 858 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:27.639 beloved billion dollar intellectual properties. Like William Reegal says, don't 859 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:32.440 ever forget it's a bent business. And then, just like 860 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:34.760 my beloved TLF and just like the whole ballgame, we 861 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.480 deep dive of an entire movie or TV show to 862 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.880 pull apart the great moments and the terrible one, stopping 863 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.840 along the way to explore comic book history and trivia 864 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.440 along the way. We're a modest little podcast, but the 865 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.519 format we took from this Goddamn College podcast has helped 866 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:50.760 us attract an audience for four years and deliver over 867 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.360 one hundred episodes. We've been able to run some small 868 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.639 live shows, meet our listeners, and even won the Best 869 00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.400 Live Podcast award at the Nice Good Comedy Felt. The 870 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.760 big part of that is thanks to the inspiration from 871 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.320 your podcast. Sure, when we started, everyone told us that 872 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.480 long form podcasting was a big mistake. Welcome. Fuck Uh, 873 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.840 they ain't worse shit, Yeah exactly, But TLF did it, 874 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.119 so we went from ninety minute episodes to four hour episodes. 875 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.239 Your commitment to telling the whole story informed how we 876 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.519 approached our subjects. We wanted each episode to be the 877 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.000 definitive account on each movie in character. Your mantra of 878 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.360 no sacred cows informs how we report the history between 879 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.599 companies and powerless creators and helps us call out the 880 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.679 history of Marvel that is often racist and sexist. I 881 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.079 even beg for Patreon support by browbeating the cheap listeners 882 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.639 who don't support us and telling them they need to 883 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.280 do the right thing, which I ripped directly from TLF. Hey, 884 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.039 beautiful thing. You know, like you know, good writers borrow, 885 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.360 great writers steal. 886 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.239 Yep, all right, proof of concept just keeps rolling in, folks. 887 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:56.519 I don't know what else we can say. 888 00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.480 Last year we celebrated one hundred episodes, and soon we'll 889 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.960 be marking five years of making shows, and a large 890 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.760 part of that modest success comes down to the from 891 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.840 the TLF inspiration. Now, obviously we're not going to tell 892 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.159 the boss Man about wrestlers who've appeared in the Marvel movies. 893 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:12.320 He's all over that front of the cinemat. But do 894 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:18.840 the Chairman know about the uc WF in the Marvel comics? 895 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.760 In the Marvel comics, there is a federation for wrestlers 896 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:29.679 with superhuman strength called Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation. That's better 897 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:33.199 than World Class. I guess so Unlimited Class, that's kind 898 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.800 of and included Ben Grimm aka the Thing from the 899 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.400 Fantastic Four as one of the wrestlers. The UCWF first 900 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.719 appeared in Marvel Comics just three months after WrestleMania one. 901 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.239 And what was happening in that first UCWF story. It's 902 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.679 about how most of the wrestlers were hooked on a 903 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:58.000 dangerous drug to give them super strength for wrestling just 904 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.199 three months after the first Mania. This was such a 905 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.679 prevalent thought in the public's mind that it could form 906 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.440 the basis of a comic book for kids. So I 907 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.119 submit for consideration that Under the Cinemat can include any 908 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:12.360 Fantastic Four movie as it features UCWF wrestler Ben Grimm, 909 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.840 as well as the twenty twenty one movie Eternals, as 910 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.519 the character Icarus played by Richard Madden also laced boots 911 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.760 for Marvel's Corrupt Wrestling Company. Thanks for ten years of 912 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:27.039 TLF and thanks for years I thanks for four years 913 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:32.239 of MVM. Well that's interesting. That's an interesting thought. 914 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.559 Yeah, I think that was worth passing on because that's 915 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.039 kind of something we never would have We would have 916 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:39.239 just looked at the cast list, you. 917 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:45.000 Know, yeah, like does does the character like? Because because, 918 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.519 if I'm being honest, like it is kind of an 919 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.679 interesting thing because with comics translating into films, it's a 920 00:48:54.719 --> 00:49:00.719 whole different it's a whole different kind of beasts. So 921 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.440 I wonder that if I kind of using even though 922 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.599 like the I don't know how they're going to do 923 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.920 this new Fantastic Four movie, but in the Fantastic Four 924 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.280 movies that they've done already, there is no mention of 925 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.000 the wrestling. But does because the wrestling, because the character 926 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:18.440 in the comics wrestled, does that make it qualify. Yeah, 927 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.280 it's a great question. It's an interesting it's not I'll 928 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:26.360 tell you what. It's definitely something I'm going to consider. 929 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.760 Robin followed up with a tremendous piece of proof. Take 930 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.280 a look at what I just sent you. This is 931 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.320 from a nineteen seventy two thing comic. 932 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.920 Gotcha. This is the way Dory Funk starts wrestling matches. 933 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.119 And if it's a good enough for the champ, it's 934 00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.719 good enough for old Benjamin Grimm. He's fighting a hulk. 935 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:49.119 Yeah, that's thing talking. And they reference Dory Funk Junior. 936 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:56.280 Is that fucking Matt Murdoch down there? I think so, 937 00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:00.039 Like down there with the cane and the glasses, I 938 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.920 think that is Matt Murdock. That's very interesting. I do not. 939 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.639 I'm gonna I need to look this thing up the 940 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.119 u c WF. This is I've never heard this before. 941 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.639 Yeah, that sounds definitely like a little side project for sure. 942 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:11.159 Yep. 943 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.159 Maybe we could call upon the expertise that we know 944 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.960 is out there in the solar system around comics and 945 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.440 really make that one say. 946 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.440 Wow, that's wild. Are you ready for this? Are you 947 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.559 ready for this? I'm just stumbling upon this here. What 948 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:31.440 the fuck? The Grapplers is a fictional organization appearing in 949 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.000 American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is a 950 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:39.639 loosely organized group of female wrestlers, most of whom game 951 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.000 superhuman strength to the group known as power Broker in 952 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.519 corporate I've never fucking heard of this shit. Well I'm 953 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.400 not like, listen, I love comics, but I'm not like, 954 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.519 I'm not an expert in it. So this is this 955 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:57.679 is wild. Yeah. The thing is that they've got it's 956 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.280 got a bunch of different kind of you know, wiki 957 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.199 wiki pages, it is. It is really cool. 958 00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:08.519 I love instances of how wrestling is mainstreamed before Hogan. Yeah, 959 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.039 I adore those examples because it runs so counter to 960 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.320 the narrative that like, only you know, weirdo wrestling fans 961 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.880 knew who the big wrestlers were before rock and Wrestling, 962 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:20.760 and it's such bullshit. You know, It's like they're wrestling 963 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.960 fans everywhere, including people at Marvel. And if you drop that, 964 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.119 if you drop that reference in a Fantastic four comic 965 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.480 in nineteen seventy two. You have to think that most 966 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.440 people would know who Dori Funk Junior is, Like, yep, 967 00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:36.800 there's no way you just say that. So I think 968 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:37.639 it's really interesting. 969 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.559 They list forty nine members. This is a Marvel fandom, 970 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.320 the Marvel fandom wiki, and they list forty nine comic 971 00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:54.159 book characters who from specifically from the Earth six one 972 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:57.679 six the universe, which I believe Earth six from six 973 00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.920 is the real is like our Earth right, And let 974 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.559 me see here who I reckon? I Ben Grimm, the 975 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:09.119 Beyonder is one. Let me see. I don't know them. 976 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.039 I don't know that. So were you a big Fantastic 977 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.960 four guy? No, not really. I mean, like you know, 978 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:21.880 when I was when I was uh uh, when I 979 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:23.840 when I was a kid reading comics, I was definitely 980 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.280 a DC guy. I mean, Batman, Superman, those are my things. 981 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:31.039 I liked X Men two, but definitely was a was 982 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.199 a Sharon Ventura, I Wonder, I Wonder and slaughter Boy. 983 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.239 There's some little uh, there's some there's some names in 984 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.079 here that make me make me think that they're getting 985 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.280 some uh, you know, some inspiration from from some folks 986 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:54.320 in the ring. Joseph Hogan brother, right, I mean Joe Hogan, 987 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.480 who's talking to dude, Joe Hogan brother? What Joe Hogan 988 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:07.039 is gonna fly? Actually? But like you know, more recently, 989 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.039 I'm definitely more into Marvel comics and stuff and the movies. 990 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.280 Really I did that. I love the movies. I'm I'm 991 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.559 very forgiving of most of the movies, even the crappy 992 00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.079 ones that are currently being made. But you know, it's 993 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.000 a you know, there's I want to say, you know, 994 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.920 there's uh, there's stuff bruin. So maybe I'll be in 995 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.880 touch with Rob at some point. There's stuff bruin. I 996 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:33.119 love it. 997 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.079 Hey, you know, if we can put a pod on, 998 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.639 so to speak. Yeah, it's a good it's a good situation. 999 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.719 Jarra Vargas, thank you for increasing your pledge. Welcome to 1000 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.480 the executive Duscer Tier. My friend Sam O'Connor same to you. 1001 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.039 A big ballsy move. We appreciate it, uh, Sammy writes 1002 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:54.320 to us, Hello, coach. Heres recently the latest okay, recently 1003 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.320 the latest iOS update. There is now a way to 1004 00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.639 convert your own voice into your own sery voice by 1005 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.719 reciting a bunch of lines. Sort of vice will analyze 1006 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.880 your voice create your own serie voice. I would pay 1007 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.039 big for Boss to record these lines so I can 1008 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.599 have my own personal Jesse or Vince. 1009 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:07.119 Let me do that. 1010 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.000 Holy shit, perhaps a cameo was an order? 1011 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:12.360 Do you know that? That feature? No? Very interesting? 1012 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:16.119 Well, Sammy, hit us up your email. Maybe we can accommodate. 1013 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:23.480 Create a personal voice on your Oh you can do hey, hey, hey, 1014 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.079 oh you want to tell me? I want to tell 1015 00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:29.639 you where to go fantastic union protection. By any chance, 1016 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:32.920 I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to 1017 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.280 I'm going to do. I'm going to shed you down 1018 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:44.519 completely union union recognized roads. That's funny, Okay, everything. I 1019 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.960 read a series of randomly chosen text prompts and to 1020 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.960 record fifteen minutes of audio. If you have difficulty pronouncing 1021 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.159 or reading full sentences, you can also choose to record 1022 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.440 short through. This is amazingly. Shits are changing rapidly. Oh 1023 00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:00.559 my god, things are changing very rapidly. Oh my god, 1024 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.800 paranoid hogan. Brother, why are you making that turn? Dude? 1025 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:10.280 Right at the stop side, make a let Wait? What 1026 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.079 do you mean left? Brother? I mean yeah. People would 1027 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.679 be fucking like confused, like would I take a left 1028 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.400 or not? Brother? Right, Why all of a sudden there's 1029 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.639 an emergency. Why can't we all chill out here for 1030 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:22.960 a second? Brother? Brother? 1031 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:23.599 Whoa? Whoa, whoa? 1032 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:31.000 What's the dizio? Whoa? Let's calm down, brother, shit, fuck you. 1033 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.719 Appear you appear to be uh shifting in and out 1034 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:39.159 of the lane. Let's get this thing back on track, dude. 1035 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:40.920 So you're shifting in and out of the lane, brothers, 1036 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:42.440 kind of get this thing back on track, dude. 1037 00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:48.199 Oh, Scott, I felt bad. I described somebody as he 1038 00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:49.880 looks like a guy who comes to the restaurant to 1039 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.079 set up your POS system with a blazer on over 1040 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.320 a polo, and Scott writes me at work yesterday t 1041 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.119 shirt with a blazer who does set up POS systems? 1042 00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.519 Feeling very yet act but accepting my fate. 1043 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.880 I felt that. No, I don't know, I just had this. 1044 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:06.360 I just had this, like. 1045 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.599 This image in my mind of somebody that like is 1046 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.320 at a restaurant at two point thirty in a blazer 1047 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.840 on a on a Tuesday, because he's working on the 1048 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.039 technology in the restaurant. 1049 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.280 You know what I mean, He's not there. I don't know. 1050 00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.199 Sorry, you felt attacked. Not not that sorry, but it 1051 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.760 was funny that I nailed it like that. He probably 1052 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.039 deserved it, right, I love I love the thought of 1053 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.079 a listener hearing something we say and just looking down 1054 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:30.159 at themselves. 1055 00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.199 Being like, oh shit, I know right, like just called 1056 00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:34.480 them out. Jeff has a great point. You see, it 1057 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.000 could be the exception of the rule. I don't know. 1058 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:36.599 Maybe you will. 1059 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.159 Absolutely you are everything we always say. Let me make 1060 00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:42.199 this proviso. I can't believe it took us ten years 1061 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.559 to say this. Everything we ever say is always present, 1062 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.039 company excluded. That's right, Jeff says, we need to list 1063 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.360 out every wrestler who's used their fat rolls to store 1064 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.559 food in eleven years of laughs. Oh shit, he says, 1065 00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.159 hulk HOGI is a food truck at the farmer's market 1066 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.519 where everyone looks like Jeremy Allen White. 1067 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:05.159 That's good. 1068 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.239 The sandwich has caused thirty five dollars, take an hour 1069 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:09.559 to make and taste awful. 1070 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.039 Yeah, of course, that's right. I'd be right with like 1071 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.360 it's like with Rosemary jam It's like right and uh 1072 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:19.360 and uh sprouts, Yeah, okay, stop, its fucking mess is 1073 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.079 what it is. Whenever, whenever Sprouts is involved, I'm gonna 1074 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.480 throw it in somebody's face. It is always very forced. 1075 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.159 It is I great sucks sprout like, don't don't fucking 1076 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:28.760 give me spear. 1077 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.760 Here's a sandwich. Let's make it taste like grass. 1078 00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.639 Listen, I want to have eight a sandwich that tastes 1079 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.159 like you know, what a fucking human being would eat, 1080 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:41.119 not this fucking sprout, what a rabbit would eat. Right, 1081 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.880 Eric Holman's thank you for that big plage. 1082 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.800 Eric, We appreciate that very good stuff. Carla Wright sad 1083 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.760 demize for the luscious one. Luscius Johnny Valiant. Everything tracks 1084 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.480 tragic and fatal collision. But then five thirty am puts 1085 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.280 a whole other spin on it, another world, black, whole 1086 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.480 of time. Five thirty am, he was valiant while staring 1087 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:05.639 down the headlights, no doubt. For those who don't know, 1088 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.800 he is run over by I think a bus and killed. 1089 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.599 And for close listeners of this American work, Jesus. For 1090 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:13.960 close listeners of this American work. Who knows the kind 1091 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:18.519 of admiration one Vince Junior had for the Valiants, and 1092 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:25.880 and and Jerry in particular. One does wonder if that 1093 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:27.840 that fatal crash was ever fully investigated. 1094 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:45.239 Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys 1095 00:58:45.360 --> 00:59:03.440 need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's an lapsed 1096 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.039 fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and. 1097 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.760 Jpiro Carlo also says, I'm popping like good old or 1098 00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.960 orvile Reddenbacher over here every time. Jeanne says Baltimore and 1099 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:16.440 Bruno San Martino. 1100 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.360 Yes, oh yes, yes see. 1101 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.400 He says, the more I'm exposed to his personality, the 1102 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:25.039 more Monsoon comes across as the JB l of his era. 1103 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:29.400 Oh interesting, I did read that some of the talent. 1104 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:31.400 I think this was like in The Observer, anonymously sourced 1105 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.119 at the time. But part of the reason people did 1106 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.880 like Goerrilla and commentary is because the talent was told 1107 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.960 to only hook the leg if it was the actual fall, 1108 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:40.760 and Gorilla would come on, deviate, rip you to shreds 1109 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:43.800 for not hooking the leg on every pin, just so 1110 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.639 he could like look cool to predict ahead of time 1111 00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:48.960 that it wasn't the finish, you know, kind of getting 1112 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.320 himself over as prusciant, you know, and a sage observer 1113 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:53.599 of the wrestling that's going on. 1114 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:55.679 I thought that's funny. I have no problem with that. 1115 00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:57.639 I'm totally fine with that. He's allowed to do that. 1116 00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:03.400 He's you know, he's he's sacred. I will say that, girl, 1117 01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:06.159 Monsoon is sacred. Nothing you can do about him, He'll 1118 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.079 always be that way. There you go, no matter how, 1119 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.119 no matter how much you fucking hate his commentary. Don't care. 1120 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.639 Don't care, because he is a fucking he's yeah, don't care. 1121 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:21.039 I can see old Italian ladies having paintings of him 1122 01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:21.559 hanging out. 1123 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.039 I don't know what. Perhaps, of course they did, of 1124 01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:24.800 course they did. 1125 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:30.280 Saint Marilla uh Steve says in Ireland, I think that 1126 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.159 w W Legends book and I didn't bother to look 1127 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:35.360 it up also has the story that hay Stacks Calhoun 1128 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.719 crushed to death his pet dog when he rolled on 1129 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.480 top of it in bed. Also popped at Boss's disgust 1130 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:44.760 that Oakerland's appearances. It has always been a joke in 1131 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:48.159 my family that my Gene Oakland is my dad's skinnier doppelganger. 1132 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.079 That's pretty fun, that's funny. 1133 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:53.159 This is the reason Pedro went back to WWF. This 1134 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.000 is in the Colosseum collection where we were kind of 1135 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:57.920 seeing eighty six stuff. The reason Padro Morales went back 1136 01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:59.320 to w WF could have been because of a couple 1137 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.559 of bad territory runs in the Carolinas in Florida where 1138 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.000 he didn't have the work rate to make it higher 1139 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:04.719 up the card. I've seen results for JCP from the 1140 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.440 early eighties that have Pedro in the opening match. Yes, yes, 1141 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.599 that's a good point. I don't think he ever was, 1142 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.679 you know, committed to go into that territory full time. 1143 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.639 It started to happen was as things got super intense 1144 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.119 between Crockett and Vince in eighty five, after Crockett took 1145 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.320 over TBS from Georgia, well they bought it from Vince, 1146 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:26.320 and so it was fucking war at that point because 1147 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:30.159 Vince failed on TBS and that can't happen right, And 1148 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.760 Vince started to run a lot of you know, Georgia 1149 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:37.519 cities and Georgia Championshiprestling cities in mid Atlantic cities and 1150 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.440 start trying to push in those areas. They tried to 1151 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:41.760 clap back and go into the Northeast. They went to 1152 01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:44.760 Philly a lot, they went to Boston a lot, did Crockett. 1153 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.000 And what they would do is they would they would 1154 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.360 pretty much sign up anybody who used to be used 1155 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.159 to be a top guy in the garden who wasn't 1156 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.360 for whatever reason, with Vince anymore. So you'll see a 1157 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:56.719 lot of those old JCP results with Backland having one 1158 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.960 off matches. You'll see Pedro, You'll even see Brunos San Martino. 1159 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.679 I think a couple of times. I know Bruno went 1160 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.400 to Georgia in the early eighties with his son, like 1161 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.920 eighty two or so. He was on TBS when he 1162 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.920 was on the outs with Vince, with the McMahons, and 1163 01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:13.559 and so that's more what it was. It was more 1164 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.519 and they would put Carlos Cologne in those cards to 1165 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.239 try to get the Porto Rican fans in the northeast 1166 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.920 to come out. That's that's more what it was. It 1167 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:21.480 was just like when they're in the Northeast, they would 1168 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.840 call these guys up. They wouldn't go, you know, they 1169 01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:29.079 weren't working fucking Winston Salem and you know, Greenspo or 1170 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.559 anything like that. Ryan writes, nobody getting limited from a 1171 01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:35.159 rumble until the end sounds like a terrible idea. Oh well, 1172 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.920 got to see it once. Yeah, Yeah, We've had so 1173 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.920 many rumbles that now any any novelty that's left, I 1174 01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:44.440 just want to lay eyes on it, even if it 1175 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:48.480 doesn't sound like a good idea. Yep, haystex Caloon points 1176 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.440 out very smartly that the we're talking about Scotland, and 1177 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:56.159 how the hell does our Arnold Scoland get pronounced that way? 1178 01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.079 He says, the double a in Scoland is an alternative 1179 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.079 spelling for a with the accent mark on it, which 1180 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.800 sounds more or less like oh oh h in English. 1181 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:07.480 So whenever you see double as, if you are to 1182 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.400 pronounce it like an oh Scoland. 1183 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.880 Okay, well, so far you're telling you stuff that I 1184 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:12.840 don't find acceptable. 1185 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.199 If you're wondering if it checks out, the answer is no. 1186 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.960 Christopher writes on the Colisseum collection, this is a unique journey. 1187 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.000 It's the journey we all took his VHS sluts. Yes, 1188 01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:28.119 it's the journey of ww's video production and marketing machinations. 1189 01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:29.800 And it's the journey of what the public would see 1190 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:32.320 in the video shops and aisles while they shook their 1191 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:33.559 heads and walked away. 1192 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.840 What does this? What's this world coming? You know? 1193 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.519 They have the wrestling now on video. I was at 1194 01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:44.679 the grocery store today I saw hul Cogan. They had 1195 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.920 one with a luel Bano is that his name? 1196 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.599 Like? What is this? What's this world coming to? Where 1197 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:53.960 this stuff is put out for public consumption? I couldn't 1198 01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.199 help ask myself who's renting this stuff? Yeah? 1199 01:03:56.280 --> 01:04:00.280 Well, I mean, you know, like deviance. All right, Mary, 1200 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.119 I almost asked to talk to the manager. I'm serious. 1201 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.159 I listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna, 1202 01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.159 you know, I'm gonna make a petition. All right, We're 1203 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.159 gonna this is this is not happening in my town. 1204 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.880 I'm gonna I'm gonna take Listen, no supermarket that I 1205 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:20.719 go to is gonna have that fake ship right out 1206 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:24.239 in front where where where people were good, We're good. 1207 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.599 This is going from people. This is going from shaking 1208 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.320 your head to militant acted. This is getting very strange. 1209 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.760 Decent people, okay, good decent people. 1210 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:42.559 When did wrestling hurt you? Pal? I'd like to recruit you. 1211 01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:44.320 I like to make you a reporter of mine, please. 1212 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:45.000 I like that. 1213 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:46.840 I like the way you sing, and I heard you 1214 01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.440 got you got some concerns that very much aligned with 1215 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:57.719 editorial stance on this wrestling stuff. Not for nothing, Legion 1216 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.239 ao D, Legion ao D, thank you very much for 1217 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:03.960 upping your pledge on Patreon my friends. Charles writes, Hello, 1218 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.400 co chairs, first time, long time. I just want to 1219 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.440 pass along little newspaper blurb from nineteen ninety three about 1220 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:13.039 the Holkstore attending a bass fishing tournament on Lake Minnetonka. 1221 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:16.320 Figured you guys would a kick out of it. I 1222 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:17.920 can't help but wonder if he stopped to visit the 1223 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.000 Ghania estate while he was there, and if Old Verne 1224 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.679 tried to take ninety percent of the fish caught thanks 1225 01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:27.000 Rob A glory to the war Lord, ol glory to 1226 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.760 the Warlord. He said, I can't disagree with that. I 1227 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.480 want to send to you just so you can soak 1228 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.559 it in. It's not it's not a full article. It's 1229 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.559 just a picture of him standing up on a boat. 1230 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:39.280 It kind of looks, honestly, it almost looks like, I know, 1231 01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:41.639 I know what it is. It's an event he's appearing at, 1232 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.159 but I would say he's on set for a thunder 1233 01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:48.280 and paradise almost the way he's dressed. Hulk line, hulk 1234 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.000 line and sinker. 1235 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.559 It says, oh my god, fresh and resident hulk Hogan 1236 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:54.639 Center scan the waters of Lake Menatonka on Wednesday during 1237 01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:58.599 a pro am segment on the fourth annual Don Shelby 1238 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.280 US Invitational Bass Tournaments Go. The event, which begins and 1239 01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:05.800 earns today, raises money for the Ronald McDonald House, a 1240 01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:08.480 program that offers a home away from home for families 1241 01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:11.280 of children who are hospitalized for treatment for cancer and 1242 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:14.400 other blood related diseases. On board with Hogan was pro 1243 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.320 Best fisherman Ted Capra left and Twin Cities business man 1244 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:22.039 Irwin Jacobs. Erwin Jacob's like on the fucking cell phone, like, 1245 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:23.719 get me the fuck out of here, honey. 1246 01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.239 You won't believe who I was on the boat with today. 1247 01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:31.360 Oh my god, it was he was you know the day. 1248 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.199 Remember we used to go see him at the uh 1249 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.840 you know in in uh, you know, Minneapolis. 1250 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:39.480 We saw him in the in the ring, you have 1251 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:42.000 to say, at the Civic Center. We saw he blew 1252 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:49.119 the roof off the place. Roof, he sure did. Were 1253 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:52.639 you talking to Cogan? Hul Cogan raising money here for 1254 01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:56.760 the Ronald McDonald House. Vad are raising money for McDonald's. 1255 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:06.880 Crazy money to eat Ronald mcgradlem. Yeah. You can either 1256 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.719 raise money to support McDonald's or can raise money to 1257 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:10.519 eat McDonald's. 1258 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:14.519 There's two choices. Declann malloy, Thanks very much for your pledge, 1259 01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.159 my friend. We appreciate you being at a corner. Kirk writes, 1260 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:18.360 the point of winning the Rumble is to get a 1261 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.800 world title shot at WrestleMania. So giving a title shot 1262 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:22.760 to the runner up before the winner gets their shot 1263 01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:26.000 defeats the purpose. What makes the concept specialist the guarantee. 1264 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:28.960 No, it's the guarantee of the main event in WrestleMania 1265 01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:29.960 to get a title shot. 1266 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.519 The idea think it's making the champions next title defense 1267 01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:35.320 against the Rumble winner a date with destiny. 1268 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.639 No, it's the idea that whoever, because the idea is 1269 01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:42.519 that you could. No, I disagree, because the idea is 1270 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:46.719 that the way they've always said it and the way 1271 01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:51.280 it's been perceived, he's going to WrestleMania. Is that what WrestleMania. 1272 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:54.920 Winning the championship at WrestleMania is in the main event 1273 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.559 of WrestleMania is a bigger deal than winning in the 1274 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.840 main event of any other show. Yes, if you win it, 1275 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:06.960 then you're crowned a true like legend. If you win 1276 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.960 it anywhere else, fine, but WrestleMania is the place where 1277 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.039 you get I mean think about mc foley. Mcfoley, the 1278 01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:16.399 same fucking thing. He said this, and and and he 1279 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:21.239 said uhh. When after he lost his career match to 1280 01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:26.119 Triple H, he said, the one thing I never did 1281 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.039 was main event WrestleMania. Yes, cm Punk, the one thing 1282 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:31.840 I didn't do was main event WrestleMania. 1283 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.279 You didn't want to know something? Boss quickly on that. Yeah, 1284 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.439 him versus Roman Verse, Seth and a triple threat is 1285 01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:40.840 the night one main event and he is. Cmpunk has 1286 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.199 been on TV crying that he achieved his dream of 1287 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.319 main eventing. But you're not, dude, Come on, man, like 1288 01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:48.079 that was the one thing we were supposed to be 1289 01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:51.159 able to count on cmpunk for that. He wouldn't lean 1290 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:54.079 in to a bullshit narrative even if it flattered him, 1291 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.000 you know, like he would he would absolutely not rest 1292 01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.880 until he knew that he was actually fuck If this 1293 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:03.239 is the main event, then he may evented against Undertaker 1294 01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:05.479 in New Jersey. It's the same position. If it was 1295 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:08.199 one night, it'd be the Komain. It is the same thing, right, 1296 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.119 It wouldn't give me right break. This night one main 1297 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.600 event ship makes me absolutely sick. 1298 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:14.560 To my stomach. I don't I don't. I don't mind 1299 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:18.760 it if it's done with something. You know that, I mean, 1300 01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:22.119 I mind it, like I don't mind it. I'll tell 1301 01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:27.680 you what what what bothers me is? I think it's 1302 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.359 an opportunity every year to have the women main event 1303 01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.680 a WrestleMania. Yeah, fine, night they should do that. I 1304 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:37.359 think I think the main event should always a night one. 1305 01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:41.119 Top two would always be right the or no championship 1306 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.960 match wherever it is, Championship match women and then championship 1307 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.319 match men. That's what that should be. It shouldn't be 1308 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:49.840 this change of the ship like just settle it. It 1309 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.399 needs to be one of those two things. 1310 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.079 I mean, God bless Sammy's ain, but like him and 1311 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.520 Kevin Owens versus USO's it was a highly anticipated match. Sure, 1312 01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:00.319 Sammy Say's walking around calling himself the main event. Do 1313 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:05.399 you think a tag title match will ever headline WrestleMania. Well, 1314 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.159 I thought Hogan and Beefcake versus Money Inc. Was going 1315 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.960 to and it didn't for a reason because it's not 1316 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:13.560 a main event. 1317 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:16.600 Well, well, because Hogan needed was gonna win the title anyway. 1318 01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:19.800 Well, you know, I wonder I wonder if Brett was 1319 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.720 gonna if Yoko was just gonna win, or if Brett 1320 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:23.000 was going to retain, if they would have done that, 1321 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.079 if they would have put Hogan on for last, I 1322 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:27.560 still somehow can bet. 1323 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:29.319 If they if they were better, if they if they 1324 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:33.319 were gonna have Yoko's going to win and win actually 1325 01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:35.439 win the title, then then they would have probably had 1326 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.520 Hogan and the tag titles going last. 1327 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.000 Oh, there's a WrestleMania nine documentary coming out soon on Peacock. 1328 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:41.000 Maybe we can get some hints. 1329 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.399 No, that's very interesting. I mean, I know, like the 1330 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.239 reason they're doing that is because of Vegas Vegas, but 1331 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:49.760 like it's like, of all the fucking WrestleManias, I. 1332 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.159 Think that was one where they actually like kind of 1333 01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.319 like Wrestlmingia nineteen, where they went in with a with 1334 01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.159 a game plan and make a documentary so they have 1335 01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:58.920 the footage. I think the other ones it's probably very 1336 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:02.039 scattershot because I don't think they went into every WrestleMania 1337 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.800 shooting the you know, the preparation, because this one was 1338 01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:06.920 like way over the top in terms of like pageantry, 1339 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:07.960 you know the result of that. 1340 01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:10.000 I mean, they needed to do something for the fact 1341 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.600 that that they were going from like, what was it like, 1342 01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.600 like sixty thousand people or whatever, or forty thousand people 1343 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.920 at wrestlming eight to like ten people. It's terrible in 1344 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.119 fucking Vegas. Yeah, you can. 1345 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.079 Definitely see its ordering a documentary to like compensate for that. Like, 1346 01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:25.640 this is actually bigger than anything we've ever done. 1347 01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:27.800 We need to ramp it up. This is Vegas now, 1348 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.000 you know we're not talking about Yes, indeed, maybe we 1349 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.800 have a smaller crowd, but you know, in terms of grandeur, right, 1350 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.479 I mean the camels, look at the cameras then everything, 1351 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:39.319 this is the most This is the most extravagant wrestlemaning 1352 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:39.960 we've ever had. 1353 01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:43.800 We are show business, Yes, somebody are the Biz show. 1354 01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:47.239 Someone said as a clip events on bite this when 1355 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.600 they had that show of him saying that if there 1356 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.279 was one thing that could bring the Jews in the 1357 01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:54.079 Arabs together, it was WWF. 1358 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.960 Oh my god. But to go back to the thing, 1359 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:01.319 I don't mind because because the whole thing about the 1360 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:06.319 it's like they always said, they'll meet whoever is champion 1361 01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:11.720 because the idea originally, the idea originally was that the 1362 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:16.079 champion was defending the belt almost every night on the 1363 01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:18.920 road it's like Brett Hart, even though we're not seeing 1364 01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:21.119 televised matches, he is supposed to be defending the belt 1365 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:24.000 every night on the road. He doesn't defend in thirty 1366 01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:28.680 days and more than thirty days exactly, so and he 1367 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:32.119 could potentially lose the belt on the road, you know. 1368 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:34.880 And so Yokozuna in ninety three would have faced whoever 1369 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.560 was champion in the main event of WrestleMania. So I 1370 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:40.920 understand the point. And I know you've argued that they 1371 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:42.960 shouldn't have a show in between, and da da da da. 1372 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.600 I I don't know. I mean, I I think it 1373 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:54.159 only serves. It serves the current time where you've got 1374 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:56.600 like eighteen thousand world champions and so you need to 1375 01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:00.199 like set up contenders. So I don't mind elimination chamber. 1376 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:01.840 And I think, I don't know, I think it would 1377 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.600 be a unique idea to have the just that the 1378 01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:07.960 you know, then they then then like the runner up, 1379 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:11.399 they get an opportunity to main event WrestleMania if they 1380 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:14.479 win the championship, which you know, depending on the situation, 1381 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.239 it's a different way to Mania. But everyone trying to 1382 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.239 get to Mania, not to the Bell right, which seems weird, 1383 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.119 but well, no, I think everyone. I think people want Yeah, 1384 01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:22.600 I know that there is a weird thing that everyone 1385 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.680 wants to go WrestleMania, which I think is stupid. But 1386 01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:31.640 I think the because like especially because it's not like 1387 01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:33.560 you're not going to be at WrestleMania. Yeah, like you're 1388 01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:35.760 going to beat WrestleMania. We know that, So just act 1389 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:37.680 like you are going to be a WrestleMania. The idea 1390 01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:39.000 is that you want to be in the main event 1391 01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:40.520 of WrestleMania, and you want to be in the main 1392 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.000 event to win and not and you want to be 1393 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:46.800 in the main event going for the gold. That's that's 1394 01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:49.960 what the Royal Rumbles about. Yeah, the Royal Rumble is 1395 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:52.800 is and the fact that you know, the fact that 1396 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:57.000 it's not happening is stupid. I don't like when they 1397 01:13:57.039 --> 01:13:59.640 have someone win the Rumble who is not going to 1398 01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:03.039 even though I don't want, I didn't want seeing it 1399 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.399 to win a third Rumble because I like Austin having 1400 01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:10.800 that that that that record. I still think I still 1401 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:12.520 think he should not have he should have won it. 1402 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.439 I mean, I know storyline purposes, it wouldn't have worked, 1403 01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:18.479 but I still think you should have won it, Yeah, 1404 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:20.159 and because you know it'd be one. 1405 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:22.159 Thing if Jay vers Guntu was going to be Night 1406 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.720 one main event, right and you were trying to actually 1407 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.439 make a straight faced case that both world titles are 1408 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:30.319 on equal footing. But if you're not even going to 1409 01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:31.920 put that as the main event of Night one, what 1410 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:34.760 you know, who's Who's Who's shitn't who here? 1411 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.600 And and honestly too, like the Sampunk doesn't want a 1412 01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:39.119 main event WrestleMania. He wants to be in a world 1413 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:40.359 title match with the main event Wrestleman. 1414 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:42.920 Everybody knows what Sampunk wants was to win the Rumble 1415 01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:44.479 and then he wants to beat the top guy in 1416 01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.479 the company wrestle Everyone knows that to be in the 1417 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:49.439 main event WrestleMania, it means you're in a world title 1418 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:51.159 match one on one. That's what being in the main 1419 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:53.199 event wrestlemanium could be a triple threat. But you know 1420 01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:55.720 what I mean, right right? See if we know what 1421 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.279 it is, and you know what, it's not Sean Michael's undertaker. Sorry, 1422 01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:01.159 that's not the main event WrestleMania, even though it went 1423 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.039 on last Like to me, that never is the case. 1424 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:08.319 It's just so I don't again. The idea is that 1425 01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.199 the champions supposed to be defending their titles on a 1426 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:13.439 regular basis, again thirty day things, so they have to 1427 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:15.399 defend the title, and so they have to defend him 1428 01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:19.960 a certain point. I don't know. I mean, listen, I 1429 01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:22.800 I appreciate your your opinion. It's wrong, but that's the 1430 01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:24.640 way it is. You know. 1431 01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:28.079 I'm revising my stance on Chamber in a way because 1432 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.039 I'm seeing how much they're struggling to keep the scene 1433 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:33.560 of thing hot between Chamber and Mania. If they did 1434 01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.199 this at Rumble, oh my god, they would, they would. 1435 01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:38.279 They would go stir crazy trying to find ways to 1436 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:39.520 extend this thing for two months. 1437 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.560 Sure, sure, I listen, I don't that's because they put 1438 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:45.239 him on TV. Well we know what the solution is. 1439 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:46.920 But yeah, they're not going to do the most interesting 1440 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:48.600 thing about it was the fact that he wasn't on TV. 1441 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:53.039 That's what were talking that he wasn't on TV. Don't 1442 01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:53.880 put him on TV. 1443 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:58.239 They're they're almost like a discipline in the booking office. 1444 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.039 Do less, do less, do less. Like as you're laying 1445 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:03.079 out an idea, right like, and as you lay it 1446 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.359 all out, Okay, give us give me the full pitch. Okay, 1447 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.279 do less, do less, do, keep keep going until all 1448 01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:12.159 you're doing is what's absolutely necessary to get the angle across. 1449 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:16.239 Because that's that's the that's your essence right there, you know, 1450 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:18.640 that's your essence. When you gussie it up beyond that, 1451 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.800 like you're just making pro wrestling way more complicated than 1452 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:23.600 it needs to be. And the fans don't appreciate that. 1453 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:25.800 There's some because they need something to write about every 1454 01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:28.359 week or tweet about that, that like that. But for 1455 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:31.319 the most part, it is like so suboptimal. It's like 1456 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:33.600 the reason for a match has got to be a 1457 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:37.199 sentence or two and that's it. Yeah, And you can't 1458 01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:40.680 be can't be booking a match, you know, with with 1459 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:44.199 thirty minute monologues in mind for seven eight straight weeks, 1460 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:44.600 you know. 1461 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.520 Oh, I know, I know exactly like you know, I 1462 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:51.359 mean again, you know you think about too WrestleMania is 1463 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:53.119 of old, and I know it's a different day and age, 1464 01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:55.680 and I know you can't follow the same format, but 1465 01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:58.680 think about even a WrestleMania eight, like you know, half 1466 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.119 the shit that was that that would that would create 1467 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:07.039 feuds and drama happened not on this not on the screen. Yes, 1468 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:12.199 you know, like all all the Flair shit happened via 1469 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:17.880 like promos, off site, off site promos and the fucking. 1470 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.239 Magazine like they used them a point. Show me, show me, 1471 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.119 I'm sure it happened. I'm not saying like, if you 1472 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:26.079 show me, I'm I'm wrong here, because I'm sure there 1473 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:30.079 was moments. But you know, show me Randy Savage and 1474 01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.039 Rick Flair face to face in the same ring before WrestleMania. 1475 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.159 Show me Hulk Hogan and Sid face to face in 1476 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:37.760 the same ring before WrestleMania. No, not, No, didn't have 1477 01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:40.560 this idea that you have to have a wrap battle 1478 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.319 with your pay per view opponent every single time is 1479 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:46.560 so wrong, especially in a social media age where these 1480 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:51.399 guys could keep things alive round the clock and they report, 1481 01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:54.439 they report to television to do whatever the promotion has 1482 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.319 for them that night. I mean, I mean it would 1483 01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.319 have been you know, would have been great, like like 1484 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:03.239 to to you, you know, you know, in a weird way, 1485 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:06.119 you know, would have been great to have like dood 1486 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:07.920 b cameras. I don't know where Sina was, I don't 1487 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.520 know if he was filming a movie or not, but 1488 01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:11.359 like to kind of be wherever he was and trying 1489 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:11.960 to get a word with. 1490 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.960 Him, and he doesn't. He doesn't take it like you 1491 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:15.960 get like that. To me, that would be the only 1492 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:18.960 thing to have him on TV is to have like 1493 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.279 you know, like they're trying to get on a film 1494 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:25.239 set and the security is not letting them come on. 1495 01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.960 Say you know, mister Sena has said no one's allowed 1496 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:29.800 to be on set, and yet you see him kind 1497 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.279 of walk by in the background. They do a quick 1498 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.000 zoom in and you see like a very very quick 1499 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:36.680 thing that that would have been great. I don't know, 1500 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:38.039 that's hard to come up with. 1501 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:41.840 It took us like fifteen minutes. Yeah, here's how your detox. 1502 01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:46.000 You set a soft rule that this is going to 1503 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:50.239 be the year where our main eventors never come to 1504 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:53.359 blows ahead of the match and they never even really 1505 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:55.600 cross paths with each other. It doesn't mean that they're 1506 01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.039 it doesn't mean one party is absent from TV, but 1507 01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.680 we just have to get career creative about keeping the 1508 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.439 tension boiling outside of the four walls of the of 1509 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.960 the arena where raw happens to be that week. Yeah, 1510 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:09.239 and I know that that's kind of it. What it 1511 01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:12.199 does is it kind of dilutes why people buy tickets 1512 01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:14.359 to see raw, to see all these stars. I know that, 1513 01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:17.880 but I feel like, but you're not seeing But listen, 1514 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:18.399 you're not. 1515 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:23.000 You're not. You're not You're not. If you're buying tickets 1516 01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:26.760 to see John Cena every week, I mean you're not anymore. 1517 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:28.960 That's those days are gone, Yeah, very much. So you're 1518 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.840 not buying those those tickets. You're not buying tickets to 1519 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:34.399 see Roman Reigns every single week. You know you don't 1520 01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.239 or I'll say this, Uh, even though they're not on 1521 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:39.479 every week, people still buy tickets to go. So there's 1522 01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:42.319 something there. There's something that people. You know, people want 1523 01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.439 to buy tickets and people want to see Cody Rose, 1524 01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:46.479 people want to see uh Jay Uso. They want to 1525 01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.399 see all these other clowns and and and it's like, 1526 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.319 you know, you still have that, but you can still 1527 01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:58.520 play the you know, the anticipation of it sometimes. Like 1528 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:01.760 for me, when I was a kid, part of the 1529 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.680 reason I wanted to make sure that I was watching 1530 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:09.840 wrestling whenever it was on was because maybe Hulk Cogan 1531 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:10.800 will be on this time. 1532 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.720 Yep, that's why. And you weren't it wasn't, like you 1533 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:17.319 weren't it turned off if he wasn't. 1534 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.880 No, no, But it's like, maybe he's going to show 1535 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:24.039 up this time. Maybe he'll be on Superstars or Challenge. 1536 01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:28.359 Maybe he will wrestle a fucking jobber. Never did, probably 1537 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:30.720 never would. But you know that was kind of the 1538 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.560 you know, that was the thing that that maybe he would. 1539 01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:40.560 And I think that is a good thing you're paying for, 1540 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.840 maybe him coming someone coming out, maybe seeing something interesting. 1541 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:52.079 You know, that's that's I mean, that is certainly a 1542 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:56.399 lost thing. You know that that is a another something 1543 01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:59.479 that used to be better that that I don't you know, we, 1544 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:05.760 if I'm being completely honest, was destroyed because of the 1545 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.600 Attitude era and the Money Night Wars. I mean that's 1546 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.039 the thing. You know. As exciting as they were, the 1547 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:18.960 Money Night Wars in many ways ruined the simplicity of wrestling. Yeah, 1548 01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:25.359 and because now you can't have a television show so 1549 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:30.399 true without all main event caliber matches and a bunch 1550 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:32.840 of showdowns and this and that. And that's why Russo 1551 01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:35.159 caught such fire for them at that time is because 1552 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:38.079 he was writing it with no regard for that. He 1553 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:40.520 was writing it like you would write a television show 1554 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:42.920 designed to have peaks and valleys and beginning, middle, and 1555 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:44.800 end in one episode. Yep, yep. 1556 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:50.000 And when you do that, you really do sacrifice. You 1557 01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:54.159 really do kind of elevate expectations in the fans mind 1558 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:56.880 such that you know, you're kind of you're kind of 1559 01:21:56.920 --> 01:21:58.560 fucked if you want to take your foot off the gas, 1560 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.119 which is necessary to make people want something, you know, 1561 01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:05.000 but it feels like a sacrifice every time you take 1562 01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:08.600 a break and let let let a guy cool off 1563 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:10.279 a little bit, or let the fans cool off on 1564 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:13.880 expecting something from them every week. I don't know, it's 1565 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.720 just this is all what we've always been saying. The 1566 01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:19.079 reason it used to be better is because it can't 1567 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:21.520 be the way it used to be. It's not because 1568 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:23.840 people are failing to make it the way I remember it. 1569 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:26.800 It's because the structure that they operated in in the 1570 01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.279 past was superior. It led to a superior enjoyment of wrestling, 1571 01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:32.680 a deeper enjoyment of wrestling because they didn't have the 1572 01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:36.000 pressures they have today. You know, as much as you say, 1573 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:37.720 you know they get guaranteed money. Yeah, that's all well 1574 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:41.119 and good, but they still have to make everything a 1575 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:45.039 fucking super spectacular all the time. And that's not that's 1576 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:48.279 not what leaves you remembering things. Everything bleeds together when 1577 01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:50.880 everything is fucking epic like that. Yes, you know, if 1578 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.760 you have like if every month on Raw there's like 1579 01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:56.720 a thirty minute classic, or every week on Dynamite there's 1580 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.000 a thirty five minute four star match, I'm sorry, I 1581 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.439 think we all know. All that does is make four 1582 01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:04.199 star matches mean less. That's all it does. Exactly credit 1583 01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:05.560 to the guys that can pull that off. But we 1584 01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:08.520 know better. We know that two or three of those 1585 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.920 a year is optimal, not not two or three a month. 1586 01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:13.399 Yeah, or at least you know, if you're gonna go 1587 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:16.119 if you need to have something, you have, have one 1588 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.439 of those. You know, have one crazy ass match per 1589 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:22.000 pay per view. That's fine, Sure that can be a slot. Yeah, 1590 01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.039 but that's the idea is that you do you have 1591 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:27.119 those good matches, you have those epics. At a certain point, 1592 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:29.439 you don't make it so that it's the identity of 1593 01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:34.119 all the time, you know, And again it was done 1594 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:38.079 out of necessity because of the of the competition. I 1595 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.680 understand that you're trying to you know, ratings and stuff 1596 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:45.520 like that, but it just it it ruined. It ruined 1597 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:49.720 the wrestling like kind of the simplicity of wrestling, because 1598 01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:54.119 you could have you know, think about all the if 1599 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:56.279 you think about all the matches like a WrestleMania eight, 1600 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:59.880 the one that had the most kind of dramatic and 1601 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.520 over the top storytelling was Savage and Flair the magazine 1602 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:06.560 And you know, maybe it needed it. It might have 1603 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:08.800 needed it because on paper it might not necessarily have 1604 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:13.439 looked like a crazy ass, you know, big selling feud, 1605 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:17.840 and I I would argue that it was that and 1606 01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:21.479 then them having a kick ass match at WrestleMania that 1607 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:25.159 made that feud more interesting and be able to last 1608 01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:32.119 throughout the summer, you know. And but yeah, like just 1609 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:36.760 you know, less is more, even in wrestling, less is more. Yeah, 1610 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:38.520 I mean, so it's a lost thing. 1611 01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:42.319 And we're getting these promos and they're great promos, but 1612 01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:44.279 there are too many of them. There are too many, 1613 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:47.479 like there's too much of a reliance on like did. 1614 01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:49.119 You hear what he said? Oh he was supposed to 1615 01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:51.840 say that, Like like like how how cool would it 1616 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:55.239 have been if you think if like throughout this whole thing, 1617 01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:59.199 like Cody comes out a couple of times, and he's 1618 01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:03.039 promised seeing to see to know shows and then Cody's like, 1619 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:05.039 you know what, then I'm gonna I'm gonna take my 1620 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:07.680 time and I'm gonna fucking train. I'm gonna do something 1621 01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:10.439 so that I'm ready for anything John Cena can give me. 1622 01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:12.960 And so he goes off TV. I'm like, you simply 1623 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.520 get the cameras are like following him around wherever he is, 1624 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.119 whether he's working out, whether he's at home, whatever, and 1625 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:21.079 he's doing you know, he can say something to uh 1626 01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:22.640 to John Scena that way, but. 1627 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:24.359 Instead they have to take the mic every week and 1628 01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:27.399 start with something like the year was two thousand and nine, right, 1629 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:29.520 And a lot of people don't know this, but I 1630 01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:33.119 looked up stop stop, do you want to win? Why 1631 01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:34.920 do you want to win? How are you gonna win? 1632 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:39.680 Right? That's your true north. Not it's not a biography 1633 01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.920 every time, it's not an A and E biography special rights. 1634 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:43.880 There is a place for that. 1635 01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.359 I feel like when UFC was really rocking and rolling, 1636 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:48.319 their countdown shows were excellent at that. They take the 1637 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:50.399 main event and even if they told the story before, 1638 01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:52.920 because the guys you may invented several shows, they would 1639 01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:55.600 tell you their whole story and how the story leads 1640 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:58.960 to this fight, and how this fight it represents kind 1641 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:01.319 of like an intersection of of these two guys stories, 1642 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.159 and that's that's the format for that when you're really 1643 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:07.680 sitting down to try to add depth and history and 1644 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:10.960 context to your match. But you don't do that in arena. 1645 01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:13.880 You don't do that face to face on the microphone. Right, 1646 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:16.199 that's just kind of goofy to me at a certain point. 1647 01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:17.800 I mean, I can enjoy it. I'm not saying it's 1648 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.159 bad television. And the guys, some of these guys are 1649 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:21.960 wonderful promos. We're kind of in a golden age of 1650 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.279 that talking. But that's kind of my point. When we're 1651 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:27.039 not in the golden hage of talking, it's going to 1652 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:29.079 be a tough look, you know, like, yeah, all of 1653 01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:31.479 a sudden, people that can't carry on in a thirty 1654 01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:34.640 minute like fucking history lesson, can't main event. 1655 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:35.159 That's stupid. 1656 01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:37.560 Think how many big money players you would have boxed 1657 01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:41.399 out if that was a hard and fast rule. So yeah, 1658 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:43.720 Ben Buck, thank you very much for that big contribution. 1659 01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.199 We deeply appreciate it. Seemed to you esc we love it. 1660 01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:49.159 Darren McAlpine, thank you very much for your support. On Patreon, 1661 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:51.119 we talked a little bit on the Colisseum video collection 1662 01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:53.199 about how Bruno s and Maartino once talked about being 1663 01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.399 booked against Hulk Cogan and Wheeling West Virginia in nineteen 1664 01:26:56.439 --> 01:26:58.880 eighty five or eighty six, shortly after he made his comeback. 1665 01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.720 A lot of folks looked in that Forrest Connor writes, Hi, guys, 1666 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:03.560 first time, long time. I was listening to the latest 1667 01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:05.720 episode and heard the Bruno audio clip about facing Hogan 1668 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:07.680 and how Hogan ducked him and Sergeant Slaughter ended up 1669 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:09.800 taking his place in Willing, West Virginia. I looked on 1670 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.079 Cage Match. The only time Bruno wrestled Slaughter and Wheeling 1671 01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:14.399 was on March eight eighty one, which of course was 1672 01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:18.079 before Hogan came in in fact perk Cage Match, well 1673 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:20.000 not before he came in, but before he was read 1674 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.479 and yellow in fact perk Caage Match. On the wrestled 1675 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:26.199 three matches and Willing in his career. Connor rights of Bruno. 1676 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:28.880 Hogan was working in Japan from March sixth to the 1677 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:30.800 eleventh that year. So as funny as the idea of 1678 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:32.840 Hogan ducking a match with Bruno, as it looks like 1679 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:35.079 that isn't true. It also appears that this match, if 1680 01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:36.880 it was considered, would have been when Hogan was still 1681 01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:40.239 a heel, which makes sense to me. Yeah, I did 1682 01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:42.359 kind of take Bruno's remarks in that shoot interview as 1683 01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:47.079 saying it was during Hogan's run as world champion. Yeah, 1684 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:50.039 but I guess we can't necessarily disqualify that he was 1685 01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:53.159 actually thinking about before Hogan was the made man, before 1686 01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:53.600 he be four. 1687 01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:54.760 That is true. 1688 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:57.560 That is not sure he really delineated that. But the 1689 01:27:57.600 --> 01:27:59.600 context that they were talking in when that question was 1690 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.279 pose was what did you think of, you know, the 1691 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.039 company turning the whole, all the keys over to Hulkogan 1692 01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:07.600 And that's when he said that. So it's kind of weird. 1693 01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:12.800 Mike says, first off, this is a good one, Okay, 1694 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.720 sick with us. First off, still sucking on Musk's tit 1695 01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:18.239 while begging for money. Remember when you didn't care if 1696 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:21.680 anyone listened, then cared if they paid money. Whoores like lapsed? 1697 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.640 Vince loves at least acknowledge you were horrors. At least 1698 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:26.600 JP is talented with his caricatures. 1699 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:26.960 I can. 1700 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:30.239 I can read other people's actual research. It's not a 1701 01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:35.159 skill anyways. Listen to edges reaction today, aw grand slam. 1702 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:36.800 There was still real emotion, even if it is an 1703 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:40.119 old school heat. I'm giving you shit. I love your 1704 01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:46.039 college level podcast. That's what's what's even better is being 1705 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:51.319 able to assume the form and manner and speech of 1706 01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:54.880 a detractor. Right, Yes, that's the key. That's the key is. 1707 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:57.159 When absolutely that is the key. 1708 01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:00.920 When you because it lays bare, how basic and thin 1709 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.039 the critique is when somebody who doesn't even believe it 1710 01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:09.399 can convincingly convey it, you know, it's like, okay, that's 1711 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:12.920 it's not complicated to just be a contrarian. It's actually 1712 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:16.239 quite easy and easy to mock as well. By the way, Yeah, 1713 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:20.479 Sam Wrights where I'm from, the lapsed fan always plays 1714 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:25.199 I like that line, Carlos says, shout out Stravinsky, very 1715 01:29:25.239 --> 01:29:27.920 apropos regarding Lynch. Twin Peaks is a rite of spring. 1716 01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:31.359 The co chairs have a very sharp blade to discern 1717 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:35.000 the pretentious s thet from the mad genius. You're goddamn right, Carlo, 1718 01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:37.560 I want to say that again, and don't you fucking 1719 01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:39.680 forget it. If you're within the sound of our voice. 1720 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:43.199 The co chairs have a very sharp blade to discern 1721 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:46.439 the pretentious s thete from the mad genius. 1722 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:50.840 That's the sound of a sharp blade. 1723 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.800 Very good, very very exceptional judges of character around here. Yes, 1724 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.520 and we're not going to let anybody get away with 1725 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:01.479 carrying themselves like a mad genius without us deciding they've 1726 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:04.359 earned it. I'm really glad, he says, David Lynch fell 1727 01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.920 in their favor. Give us an open question. You're you're 1728 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.359 hearing this from the Solar system. When it came to 1729 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.119 diving into Lynch, they didn't know if we'd like him, boss. 1730 01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:15.159 I know. I mean listen, I I I wasn't sure 1731 01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:17.359 because you know, again, I don't. I don't necessarily, like 1732 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.960 I said, I don't necessarily like his movies. Uh for 1733 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:22.800 the most part, I I they they don't. They don't 1734 01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.760 for me. They don't mesh with the actual individual all 1735 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:28.439 the time. Oh and we well they do. It just 1736 01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:31.039 takes a long time, right right, But like it's like 1737 01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.960 a it's a it doesn't necessarily like you know, it isn't. 1738 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:38.920 It's not obvious, it's not all you know, And no 1739 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:42.039 he's just you know, and the stories you hear about him, 1740 01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:47.960 he's just such a genuine, a genuine, fascinating human being. 1741 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.760 Was because he's you know, dead. 1742 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:53.319 Yeah, yeah, we have to use the correct tense. I mean, 1743 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:55.640 that's why we're that's why we're here after all, that's 1744 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.479 why we decided to pay tribute in a lot of ways. 1745 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:02.960 That's right, and I think that's that's a point very 1746 01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:06.960 well taken. He says, I'm really glad David Lynch fell 1747 01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:10.159 in their favor. Could have gone either way, that's true. Yep, 1748 01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:10.960 could have been either. 1749 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:12.760 He could have he could have he could have come 1750 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.720 across like a complete douche, you know, But he's just 1751 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:22.279 he's too genuine, honestly. That That's that's what's about. That's 1752 01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:24.479 what makes him stand out. He is so genuine. 1753 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.239 At the time it aired on TV, he says, there 1754 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:30.359 was equal applause and derision in my house for sure. Yeah, 1755 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:32.800 we can't discount like as much as where to looking 1756 01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:35.399 back and retrospect it at Lynch and Tree Peaks, there 1757 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:38.199 are people who lived through it who remember just how 1758 01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:42.479 kind of polarizing his style was on mainstream and television 1759 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:42.720 like that. 1760 01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:43.880 Of course, no question. 1761 01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:47.520 Rob writes, Terry Funk is too wonderful? What David Lynch 1762 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:48.560 is too incredible? 1763 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:49.279 Mmm? 1764 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:54.199 Rob Or Luthernoli writes, Hello, gentlemen, I hope this note 1765 01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:56.600 finds you well. I just learned that Quentin Tarantinos Once 1766 01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.239 upon a Time in Hollywood qualifies for under the Cinemat. 1767 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:02.960 Which one was it? Once upon a Time in Hollywood? 1768 01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:04.960 Oh yeah, yeah, I knew that that one's on the list, 1769 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:07.439 but he can tell me. 1770 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:11.119 He says that Wikipedia explains why Booth is inspired by 1771 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.319 Gary Kent, a stuntman for a film made it the 1772 01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.159 Spawn Ranch while the Manson family lived. 1773 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:22.560 There, and and he's it's also partially, supposedly partially based 1774 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:29.560 on Judo Jene Bell. It's based on him partially. The 1775 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.079 character is partially based on Jean Le Bell. And there's 1776 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:34.479 another connection, yeah. 1777 01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:36.399 Says here as well as stuntman professional wrestling two times 1778 01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:37.319 Judo jam Jean the Bell. 1779 01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:42.560 Well, there's another connection as well, and that is the 1780 01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:47.760 fact that Jungle Boy was a PA. He was for real, Yes, 1781 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:52.680 he was that he because his dad was in the 1782 01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:57.680 movie what's his name? Oh my god, Luke Perry, Yeah, 1783 01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.439 Luke Perry and Prairies in the movie great movie too, 1784 01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:00.840 Is it. 1785 01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:03.760 Really Oh my god, we'll that'll have to go, that'll 1786 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:04.960 have to go into the cinemat for sure. 1787 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:06.680 Oh yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's been on the 1788 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:08.640 list for a while. It's I'm I'm I'm waiting for 1789 01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:13.119 a real uh you know it's gonna be it's a doozy. 1790 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:20.399 It's yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting it'll happen. 1791 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:22.840 Though that the conclusion of the Twin Peaks journey, Jerome 1792 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:24.880 makes a great point. He says, what other wrestling podcasts, 1793 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:27.319 what have the willingness to do something like this? I 1794 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:29.039 think one of the biggest issues people in the bubble 1795 01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:31.399 have is never leaving their bubble and absorbing other forms 1796 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:34.279 of art. The Chairman hero willing to sit through borderline 1797 01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:37.239 experimental short films, and one of the weirdest filmmakers ever. 1798 01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:40.079 I think watching the movies and shows really enhance Jack 1799 01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:42.600 and JP because they're not just focusing on wrestling. Am 1800 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:43.800 I the biggest Lynch fan either? 1801 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:43.960 Know? 1802 01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:46.359 Am I glad this weirdo got to make a number 1803 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:48.960 of movies and shows. Yes, this is a unique, one 1804 01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:51.039 of a kind journey that no other wrestling podcast would 1805 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:54.720 even consider this is how they all earn my Patreon dollar. 1806 01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:59.079 Mm hm put it on a fucking headstone, man, I mean, 1807 01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.000 that's the bottom line. Josho had that very thought provoking 1808 01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:04.800 email about Barth and stuff that we read in a moment. 1809 01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:12.000 Ago also did the following, gentlemen, Well, my current situation 1810 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:15.000 only allows for a modest pledge to the Patreon and 1811 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:19.000 my dad will ever reach at one K club. It's fine, pal, See, 1812 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:20.520 I'm going through a lot of shit right now. Most 1813 01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:22.640 days of late have been more lapsed to Barnett than anything. 1814 01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:25.479 But after seeing Hogan's reception on Netflix, and after the 1815 01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:28.560 momentary thought that Jack's Skinner theme was somehow on Netflix raw, 1816 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:31.239 I smiled, I have faith in wrestling fans again, just 1817 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:33.079 a little bit. Then I figured, what would lapsed Vince do? 1818 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.720 Inspired by what I am calling the varied Vienna voyages 1819 01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:40.520 of softball, said Uty, I sent hel Hogan a twenty 1820 01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:47.239 pack of roll ups. I have the receipt right here. 1821 01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:47.720 He sent it. 1822 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.119 He sent it to Hogan's beach shop. Oh my god. 1823 01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:53.199 Figured, you know, the boys need their candy, and it's 1824 01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:55.520 not like Hogan hasn't accepted shipped candy before. 1825 01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:57.600 Good mind. 1826 01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:00.560 Not sure if he had someone's signed for it, but 1827 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:02.359 would love to see the reaction. But I'm pretty sure 1828 01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:04.399 we all know how it'd go. I think I'll get 1829 01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:06.840 an autograph picture. God, I hope not unless it's the 1830 01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:08.880 look on his face upon opening and reading the note. 1831 01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:12.000 There it is proof of delivery, Betty Crocker Fruit roll 1832 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:15.800 Ups variety pack delivered right to the Hulkster. Wow, I'm 1833 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.560 sure he was concerned. Jordie Angus, thank you very much 1834 01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:22.159 for that executive producer pledge. We appreciate it. Matthew Folk 1835 01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:24.680 to welcome very thank you very much, and welcome to 1836 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:28.039 the inner Circle. Let's see, Matt writes to us to 1837 01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:30.680 your co chairs, well you got me. 1838 01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:32.840 That's a shirt. 1839 01:35:34.079 --> 01:35:38.199 After many years of plundering my puckered and prolapsed poop shoot, 1840 01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:40.039 I've decided the time has come to pay you for 1841 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:40.840 such a circuit. 1842 01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:45.079 Puckered and prolapsed poop poop shoot and got it. That's 1843 01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:47.239 a lot of alliteration. I mean, shooting broke exactly. How 1844 01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:49.840 do you spell shoot? Brother? What? That's not how you 1845 01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:52.439 spell shoot? Dude? What you're trying to work me over? Brother? 1846 01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:54.680 You're trying to avoid detection by Ai. 1847 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:56.640 Brother. Why brother, what are you doing? Dude? 1848 01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.760 Do you know that I systematically scrape emails for the saho. 1849 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:05.600 You where dude? That brother? You don't? Brother, I know 1850 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:10.319 what a shoot is, dude. Right, so we're talking about 1851 01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:12.239 Bamba bad were shooting? Brother? 1852 01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:17.560 Shoot you behind my back like you're obliged to say 1853 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:18.079 it to him? 1854 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:19.319 Right, right? Right. 1855 01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:21.720 I cannot remember exactly when I first started listening to you. 1856 01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:23.439 I am only certain that the first time you had 1857 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:25.399 me doubled over in pain from laughing was the debut 1858 01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:28.600 of Hulk La Orange. The rest is, they say, is history. 1859 01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:31.600 My earliest memories of watching wrestling involved sneaking downstairs in 1860 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:33.279 the wee hours to greet my dad after he had 1861 01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:35.159 been on the road all week as a lorry driver, 1862 01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:37.479 truck driver if Here and Trump Land. I distinctly remember 1863 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:39.319 getting comfortable with him on the couch and both falling 1864 01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:41.760 asleep to the vision of Yo Kazuna sitting on Brettart's face. 1865 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:44.840 After my parents' divorce, I continued watching throughout the Attitude era, 1866 01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:47.640 only one minute around the corner with my new step siblings. Seriously, 1867 01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:50.399 my dad moved six houses away. Weird, right, We would 1868 01:36:50.399 --> 01:36:53.239 often pile on to a friends trampoline and wrestle, acting 1869 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:55.159 out what we had seen on the TV. After all, 1870 01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.000 it's not like there were any warnings to not try 1871 01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.920 this at home. Right this is where I had my accident. 1872 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.319 Around eight of us had climbed to the trampoline no net, 1873 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.439 and we were acting out our NWOWWF fantasies. I'm not 1874 01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:08.039 sure exactly how it had happened, but I was on 1875 01:37:08.119 --> 01:37:10.880 my back, as often being the smallest, getting ready for 1876 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.039 my big comeback and hot tag. I leaped back up 1877 01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:15.199 to my feet, ready to power bomba motherfucker, but instead 1878 01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:18.600 became the victim of en ring miscommunication. My opponent and 1879 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.760 an apparent bid to get his shit in, came down 1880 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:23.079 on me for his favorite frog splash. There was a 1881 01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:25.359 white flash and a sting of pain in the top 1882 01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:27.399 of my head as we both found ourselves on the 1883 01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:30.159 patio floor. I placed my hand upon the top of 1884 01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:33.319 my head to feel a hard alien protrusion and could 1885 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:35.760 see my opponent sat sobbing with his hands covering his 1886 01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:38.720 mouth as blood trickled down his chin. Upon reflection, my 1887 01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:40.680 opponent was a bit of a shoot bully and still 1888 01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:42.960 to this day. I get a sense of grim satisfaction 1889 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:45.359 at this memory. As I came to I came to 1890 01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:47.239 the realization that he had bitten my head and the 1891 01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:49.520 confusion as we tumbled off the trampoline and left his 1892 01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:55.720 front tooth embedded in my head. His tooth is stuck 1893 01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:59.199 in his head. I came away from this experience with 1894 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:01.479 well earned respect from the boys in the locker room, 1895 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.960 and after having my head glued back together, quickly returned 1896 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:06.000 to action. And the following years my interest in wrestling 1897 01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:07.920 was up and down. I remember looking in on Booker t, 1898 01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:11.159 appearing on Raw and the Invasion Cinemania, discovering TNA on 1899 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:13.560 UK TV, and then Cmpunk. It was Punk that led 1900 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:16.600 me to seeking out ROH than PWG and NJPW. My 1901 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:20.039 wrestling net had now been cast wide. My girlfriend now 1902 01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:22.000 wife at the time, soon discovered my interest in wrestling, 1903 01:38:22.039 --> 01:38:24.640 despite my best efforts to keep it my shameful secret. 1904 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.000 Slowly but surely I introduced her to Choice New Japan matches. Oh, 1905 01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:31.439 this is this is not the move Matt to Choice 1906 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:34.159 New Japan matches. See this is different. This is like 1907 01:38:34.479 --> 01:38:39.279 serious wrestling, closer to a sport. And we began to 1908 01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:41.039 watch and enjoy Luca Underground together. 1909 01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:41.840 Oh that's nice. 1910 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:44.119 We both loved Prince Pumah, the Lucha Brothers and the 1911 01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.520 Bullet Club. This led to us being diehard aw Marx 1912 01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:49.039 since its inception, as it featured all our favorites, dropping 1913 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:51.199 off briefly around the birth of our daughter. We attended 1914 01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:52.800 all in Wembley and had a blast, but I must 1915 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:54.800 admit we are now a year behind on TV. We 1916 01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.479 have a few other hobbies and shows who'd like to watch, 1917 01:38:56.479 --> 01:38:58.840 and although I keep up with wrestling news, watching aw 1918 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.920 TV is just unfortunately the bottom of the list. Anyway, 1919 01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:04.039 I've now subscribed to you on Patreon as the sound 1920 01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:08.159 of Fritz trying to open windows. I guess I sort 1921 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.239 of have a tentative request. Would you ever be up 1922 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:14.600 for charting the history of the NWA World Heavyweight title 1923 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:18.520 post ecw Oh my god, that's such a rotten idea. 1924 01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:22.399 Who I believe it may be a glorious indie rific 1925 01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:24.960 shit show. Yours and payment, Shane, and thank you for me. 1926 01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:31.880 I mean that's bad. I mean we're talking unflattering situations. 1927 01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:37.720 That's just yeah. I mean, it's never had a glorious 1928 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:42.479 period since no, I mean really, since WW dropped it 1929 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:43.760 such a bad idea. 1930 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:46.479 You know, it's funny, though it's funny, it's a funny idea. 1931 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:47.760 But I don't know, man, I don't know if we 1932 01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:50.800 have the stomach for that. I mean, there's going to 1933 01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:52.399 be a way one of these days. I'm just gonna 1934 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:54.119 say it, there's going to be away one of these days. 1935 01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:55.760 If you want to really make it happen, you'll be 1936 01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:59.880 able to. But be fucking careful, be very careful. The 1937 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.199 the sound of Fret's opening windows just became an eight 1938 01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:07.479 eight eight pound pledgure. Thank you so very much, DP, 1939 01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:10.960 thanks very much for the pledge. Michael Tremarco, thank you 1940 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:14.319 for boosting your contribution to your co chairs. Sean wants 1941 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:16.119 us know that Bruno is all about the man of 1942 01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:17.760 the community restaurant eater. 1943 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:19.640 Oh absolutely. 1944 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:23.880 When he had an interview on Jericho's podcast, Bruno insisted 1945 01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:25.920 that it would take place over dinner at an Italian 1946 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.119 restaurant because it's not all about food. 1947 01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:35.800 Listen, I have no doubt, yes that for Bruno San Martino, 1948 01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:44.479 it wasn't real food unless it was Italian. Absolutely all right. 1949 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:51.640 The SECONDI yeah, I'm not saying he didn't have other foods, 1950 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:57.000 but he would only do it out of like you 1951 01:40:57.039 --> 01:41:01.039 know somebody else, right, politeness, somebody. You know, if someone 1952 01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:03.439 invited out to dinner and they went to you know, 1953 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:07.439 like some other but no, no, no, listen, ninety percent of 1954 01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:14.479 the time he's eating Italian. Yep. It's like I imagine 1955 01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:19.000 I imagine that that his kitchen was just lined with 1956 01:41:19.239 --> 01:41:24.560 hanging spaghetti all right, just drying. It was brand you know, 1957 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:32.560 fresh fresh spaghetti, just drying on racks around his fucking kitchen. 1958 01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:36.479 Like pretty much. I'd say, I would say every morning, 1959 01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:39.079 like first thing was he would make he would make 1960 01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:44.039 a a. You know, he'd make pasta. Do, let's do 1961 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.680 it every morning, make pasta do and he just kind 1962 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:48.880 of do it. And then he'd make his pasta and 1963 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:50.439 he just drape it over there. You know it's going 1964 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.239 to be eaten at some point in a couple of days, 1965 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:54.520 without a doubt, right, the longest couple of days. So 1966 01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:58.760 he's always he's always got fresh pasta in the house, right, 1967 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.319 And then you know, and then he's like every Sunday, 1968 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.119 you know, every Sunday he's got Every Sunday he makes 1969 01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:11.880 a giant vat of sauce, of sauce, of gravy, all right, 1970 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.039 like and and then listen, he puts it in and 1971 01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.560 he puts it in containers, and he puts it in 1972 01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:17.880 the freezer, you know, like he's it's ready, it's ready 1973 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:21.680 to go at a moment's notice. Like he's probably Bruno, 1974 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:24.960 Sam Martino. Okay, listen to this. This is what it was. 1975 01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:29.199 He had a garage freezer that was specifically for sauce, 1976 01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:33.199 no question, all right, and he just had just you know, 1977 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:36.640 as much as he would put in there, he would 1978 01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:39.439 take out at some point during the week, all right. 1979 01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:45.840 That's it. He just always loads of sauce. Just what 1980 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:47.359 he had to do. Like everything. It's like it's like 1981 01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:49.960 it's like a it's a requirement to get the week gone. 1982 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:51.840 You know, you're gonna make the pasta in the morning 1983 01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:58.479 and then you gonna make sauce every Sunday. I'm hungry's 1984 01:42:58.479 --> 01:43:00.000 fucking go, let's go to Bruno's house. 1985 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:03.319 It's like that video of him like having like a 1986 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.960 thirty five minute meal with a bunch of other hangers 1987 01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:08.520 on and suits and yeah, just clang in the forks 1988 01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:11.319 and everyone's just kind of sitting there waiting for him 1989 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:13.319 to say something so they can laugh at what he said. 1990 01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:15.840 And you know, I mean he's he's running the whole table. 1991 01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:17.720 And that's that's a big part of it for Bruno. 1992 01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:21.640 It's the power of being, Oh, the guy at the 1993 01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:23.399 table who knows the owner, you know. 1994 01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:26.920 Right right, he listen. He wants to be fucking Tony 1995 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:29.039 soprano Vesuvio. That's what he wants to be. 1996 01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.399 I'm so sorry to go there, but that's that's that's 1997 01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:32.560 what I mean, that's it. 1998 01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:35.159 He wants. He wants to be that guy who knows 1999 01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:38.000 the owner. Hey, we went to high school together, you know, 2000 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:41.600 like like the old friends. You know, he maybe you 2001 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:44.760 know what chances are Bruno gave him some money to 2002 01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:46.960 start the restaurant. You know, like this is And I. 2003 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:48.640 Want to ask you a question. When you go into 2004 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:51.720 a place like that with Bruno, do you have any 2005 01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:54.359 fucking choice but to say you love the food? 2006 01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:57.319 Oh no, If you don't love the food, then you 2007 01:43:57.399 --> 01:44:00.479 eat like it's the matter, what's something wrong with it? Stops? 2008 01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:05.119 Like just just imagine the you know, how's your you know, 2009 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:15.000 how's your real scallop? Uh? Yeah, a little, a little, 2010 01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:21.760 a little tough. It's like everything stops bearing at you. Well, 2011 01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:23.840 it's stuff. I can't picture. That was wrong. 2012 01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:26.800 The main is thoughts, and so come one, it was 2013 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:31.800 you want to know what tough is? The toughest hair 2014 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:33.720 that arm, hair covering your wrist watch. 2015 01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:40.159 That's come here, I'll show you tough. Okay, fine fucking fist. 2016 01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.680 I'll tell a little story. Dana White, Dana White for 2017 01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:48.199 the UFC, is from Boston and he loves I don't know. 2018 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:50.840 That really, Oh yeah, I had no clue. 2019 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:54.079 He always talks about it, and he was he was 2020 01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:56.960 born in Maine, Connecticut and Maine, but spent. 2021 01:44:57.119 --> 01:44:59.359 Like his was born in Connecticut and Ma was born in. 2022 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.880 Connecticut, up in Maine and Vegas. It's a very complicated thing, 2023 01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:05.880 Jesus Christ. I know, it's very strange what what was 2024 01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:07.000 what his parents? 2025 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:07.439 His parents? 2026 01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:09.079 I don't know anything about his dad and his mom 2027 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:11.920 is like estranged from him. So it's hard to really 2028 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:17.720 piece that part of his story together. Frankly, so he uh, 2029 01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:21.640 he loves this steak tip place in Southie, Okay. He 2030 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:24.239 talks about it all the time and he actually one 2031 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:25.920 time when UFC came to town, he actually had a 2032 01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:29.319 media lunch there, and so all the media, like you know, 2033 01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:31.840 goes and has these steak tips at this like you know, 2034 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:32.520 it's like one. 2035 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:32.920 Of those. 2036 01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:37.880 Bar and grill you know kind of deals, like not 2037 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:42.119 not many windows, you know. Oh yeah, the shiny wood bar, 2038 01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:43.000 you know, the whole deal. 2039 01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:47.199 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, like dark wood everywhere. Yeah. 2040 01:45:47.239 --> 01:45:51.720 And and Lorenzo Fertita, who was the the guy from 2041 01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:54.800 Station Casinos, the Vegas guy who Dane actually met in 2042 01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:58.399 high school and became the big money man behind buying 2043 01:45:58.439 --> 01:45:59.920 the UFC when it was on the verge of bank 2044 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:03.560 and turning it around and his kind of right hand man. 2045 01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:06.000 And from a business perspective, he was there too. And 2046 01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:10.119 Lorenzo has always been a guy of money and higher tastes. 2047 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:13.399 You know, he's he's uh, he's eating at the finest restaurants, 2048 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:17.960 I'm sure all the time. And I remember he had 2049 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:19.239 he had some of that. He was there, and he 2050 01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:22.119 had some of the steak tips. And I don't know 2051 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:25.159 if it was it's Dana that asked him, but somehow 2052 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:26.920 he was put on the spot just like we're saying, 2053 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:28.960 just like we're saying, he was put on the spot. 2054 01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:33.359 How steak tips and I remember he's chewing, he's looking 2055 01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:39.960 down and he goes solid, and I was like, solid, 2056 01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:43.039 that is as close as he's going to get to 2057 01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:45.720 saying I don't understand how anybody could eat this, how 2058 01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:49.279 anybody could seek this out? Why do these steak? Why 2059 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:51.680 do these little pieces of steak taste like terry aki? 2060 01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:55.439 What the fuck is that? This isn't a Chinese restaurant? 2061 01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:57.279 Why does this taste like teraoki? It's like, well, it's 2062 01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:00.399 a boss. Why That's all I got out of Yep, 2063 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:05.079 it's looking at the plate chewing solid, solid, solid. 2064 01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:09.880 That's not what you want to hear. Solid, dangerous, very, 2065 01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:13.159 That's the fucking danger in the eye of the beholder. 2066 01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:16.640 At that point, that's where my mind went when you 2067 01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:21.279 did the Bruno like you know what I'm wrong? Yeah, yeah, Well, 2068 01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:23.479 because you know I remember that too, Like I remember 2069 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:26.239 I had friends when I lived in La I had 2070 01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:29.239 friends who you know, they heard me talk about Duncan 2071 01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:33.920 Donuts all the time, you know, and it's like, you know, 2072 01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:36.239 and how I missed Duncan Donuts coffee, and it's like, 2073 01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:37.920 you know, then they go there and they're like, hey, 2074 01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:40.039 we had duncanos. We're not dunking the most comedy. I'm like, 2075 01:47:40.279 --> 01:47:43.199 all right, I mean okay. I was like, you know, 2076 01:47:43.279 --> 01:47:45.439 here's here's the moment of truth, Like, oh my god, 2077 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:49.880 how do you you fucking like this coffee? Yeah? I 2078 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:54.199 love it. I choose nothing else over it. Go fund yourself. 2079 01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:58.119 It's amazing, isn't it. Yeah, Splash Bandicoot, thank you very 2080 01:47:58.199 --> 01:48:00.279 much for the pledge. We appreciate the supports to you. 2081 01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:03.520 Golder Stern, Thanks for the cake. We'll earn it. Joseph 2082 01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:05.399 al Paul, thank you very much for bumping up your 2083 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:07.640 pledge to the co chairs. Haul Cogan writes, in the 2084 01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:09.439 spirit of Ring of Honorable Mention, which is one of 2085 01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:12.359 the greatest things you have ever said, Boss, ever ever 2086 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:18.279 ring of Honorable Mention for Ring of Honor, I stand 2087 01:48:18.279 --> 01:48:20.079 by that, Haul Cogan says, in the spirit of that 2088 01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:23.760 his favorite still is Boss is lapsed Vern calling the 2089 01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:29.319 WWF in Wringling Brothers? 2090 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:33.840 Did I said that? In Wringling Brothers, I said, as 2091 01:48:34.039 --> 01:48:38.960 Verne as Vern, that's brilliant. Life and death baby, who 2092 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:42.439 the fuck new life? And we're going back to Minnetonka. 2093 01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:46.960 Christian Hollister always such strong support. We appreciate your recent 2094 01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:51.159 remote upgrade, Ruben Villigercia. Thank you very much, he writes, 2095 01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:54.079 clearly a t left three matches nineteen ninety Nikolai Volkoff 2096 01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:59.119 versus nineteen ninety six. I ed Johnson the yells. Oh, yeah, 2097 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.439 of course that would be something to hear. Oh, there 2098 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:03.319 have to be a yell off. 2099 01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:05.840 You know, we did the t lf x X Games 2100 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:08.800 best tournament, Uh, you know, tournament to determine the best 2101 01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:11.119 character ever. We should do one determine the best noise 2102 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:15.079 maker ever. We got Louis Albano Volkov, We've got Vince 2103 01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:18.399 who makes noises. We've got, as he mentioned, the dust 2104 01:49:18.479 --> 01:49:19.640 doy of Ahmed Johnson. 2105 01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:25.359 Who else fits? Yeah? Ah? Who else? Who else makes 2106 01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:30.159 guttural sounds? Oh? Well you say, did you say Luger? Luger? Sure? 2107 01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:34.800 And there's Hogan all the things he said in t N. Yeah, 2108 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:38.640 that's the greatest utterance. What's the greatest guttural? Fucking suck. 2109 01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:43.439 Hard to beat? I mean, especially like you know when 2110 01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:45.279 you're getting I mean there was there was an undertaker 2111 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:52.600 one too, What about Gian Gonzales. Oh yeah, that's a 2112 01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:54.439 great one, man, I don't care what anybody says. 2113 01:49:54.479 --> 01:50:02.159 That's a great one, Adam writes, I finally joined the eptire. 2114 01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:04.560 Thank you too for over ten years of entertainment. You've 2115 01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:06.359 all been around the world with me. You were there 2116 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:08.000 in the hospital for the birth of all three of 2117 01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:10.239 my children. You were there one morning the loss of 2118 01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:12.760 loved ones, and you were still there. TLF is life. 2119 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:14.319 I love you, guys, and thank you for all that 2120 01:50:14.359 --> 01:50:16.640 you have done for the solar system and my ass. Well, 2121 01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:19.239 thank you, Adam. We do it for listeners like you, 2122 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:25.520 Paul writes, we do it for ass. Sunday dinner, Bruno 2123 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:30.079 to David, garlic bread, Sammartino. Oh you come from good stock, 2124 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.720 my boy. I saw as man no stroll, nay. 2125 01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:40.159 And then he says, look at this, Carol, you've outdone 2126 01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:49.239 yourself again. Oh you picture him huddled over a steaming 2127 01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:53.760 bowl of ministras. Oh my god, it's the little condensation 2128 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:57.600 is forming on the gold rolex. I would love to 2129 01:50:57.640 --> 01:50:59.960 have been a fly on the wall of the Sammartino 2130 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:05.720 home when Bruno was eating dinner. Oh, still in my heart, 2131 01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:10.399 just the scenes, the absolute scenes that would have been spectacular. 2132 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:16.359 That's brilliant, It's positively brilliant. What a scene, What a 2133 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:20.600 thing to picture Chris Man writes, the CoA Chairs enjoy 2134 01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:23.479 talking about Bruno San Martino. The man is a walking 2135 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:28.319 continent of material. He is. There's no question about that. 2136 01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:30.920 So Adam, thanks for that big bump up and pledge. 2137 01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:34.319 We feel you, man, We appreciate that. Steve writes, it's 2138 01:51:34.319 --> 01:51:37.000 funny Boss mentioned Sopranos as Bruno constantly claimed he was 2139 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:39.319 offered a role in the show but didn't want to 2140 01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:42.680 say that he was an unsavory character. Oh my god, 2141 01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:44.720 Bruno is one of those guys. He he adds, that 2142 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:47.079 would act a Paul that being offered a happy ending. 2143 01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:50.159 What do you mean? 2144 01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:53.840 And then he puts an ellipses and says, while getting 2145 01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:58.399 into a more comfortable position to receive said ending, yes, yes, 2146 01:51:58.880 --> 01:51:59.319 has to play. 2147 01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:03.720 He would have to publicly decry that, all right, he 2148 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:06.640 would have to publicly say no way, But deep down 2149 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:11.920 he knows what he needs, Oh my god, what he wants. 2150 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:13.600 I think this is like a well known thing, but 2151 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:15.640 one of the my favorite things I've ever heard. Is 2152 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:18.840 one of the reasons that you don't see as many 2153 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:22.399 undercover stings in rub and tug joints as you'd expect. 2154 01:52:22.479 --> 01:52:25.680 These these massage parlors that pop up in in areas 2155 01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:29.319 where nobody wants a massage with no you know, absolutely 2156 01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:35.039 no light in every windows covered. They're everywhere. That one 2157 01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:37.800 of the reasons you don't see undercover stings is because 2158 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:40.960 of a fear that the cop won't stop the massage 2159 01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:44.000 therapist from finishing them off and actually, in the process 2160 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:46.720 break the law and succumb to the succumb to the pressure. 2161 01:52:47.079 --> 01:52:49.520 That's just the funniest thing in the world. Some like 2162 01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:53.079 dip shit lieutenant just like coming all over the place 2163 01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:55.880 because god damn he did. Exactly. 2164 01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:59.039 Fuck, okay, all right, can we can we move? Can 2165 01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:00.960 we go in now? Like there in the van outside, 2166 01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.640 you're ready to fucking break the door down. This guy's 2167 01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:09.600 curling his toes, his fucking sad sack, pathetic chief brunch 2168 01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:15.000 motherfuckers sitting there fucking letting himself bubble over off. And 2169 01:53:15.039 --> 01:53:17.359 they're like they're in the van, they're looking at the monitors. 2170 01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:20.119 They got their index fingers on their ear with the earpieces, like, 2171 01:53:20.159 --> 01:53:22.079 oh my god, Oh my god, he's coming, he's coming. 2172 01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:27.239 This is unbelievable. Exactly, it doesn't even enjoy it. It 2173 01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:33.479 just it boils over, you know, oh motherfucker. Oh, They're like, 2174 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:35.279 this is a total bust. Now we've got a whole 2175 01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:38.159 other problem on our hands. Like, oh no, is that chief? 2176 01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:45.000 That's him again? She ticks all limp after all, just 2177 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:48.279 slaying there knowing he fucked up, knowing he fucked up, 2178 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:50.000 like button size cock. 2179 01:53:50.119 --> 01:53:50.359 You know. 2180 01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:55.279 The post nut clarity is on another level as he realizes, 2181 01:53:55.359 --> 01:53:58.920 like absolutely, I have months of work to do to 2182 01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:02.039 make this go away. This could follow me the rest 2183 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:05.399 of my career. It will that I couldn't stop Mama 2184 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:09.439 son from finishing me off here. Tremendous stuff. And that's 2185 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:12.039 what I think about when Bob Kraft, as much money 2186 01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:15.399 as he has, can't help but pull a hat down 2187 01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:18.039 low and get tugged off in Tampa wherever the fuck 2188 01:54:18.079 --> 01:54:22.319 he was. Tremendous stuff, that piece of shit. Holkogan writes, 2189 01:54:22.439 --> 01:54:27.439 club Yeah, sure together, that's the new open. 2190 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:29.000 Yeah. 2191 01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:31.199 John writes, I could listen to huge pops in old 2192 01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:34.039 arenas all day. This is, you know, Colosseum Video Man, 2193 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:38.520 Colosseum Collection, Bruno's Comebacks, Adro's comebacks. Listen to that audio 2194 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:39.720 if you want to get an idea of what we're 2195 01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:40.279 talking about. 2196 01:54:40.439 --> 01:54:42.199 It's phenomenal shit, he. 2197 01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:44.159 Writes, I could listen to huge pops and old arenas 2198 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:47.159 all day, whether it's wrestling, boxing, music, basketball, et cetera. 2199 01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:49.880 There's just something about the way fans sound in pre 2200 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:54.439 HD film and that's it. The sound isn't digital. It 2201 01:54:54.479 --> 01:54:57.359 makes a huge difference because it can flood, it can 2202 01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:00.239 drown out, it can reach a level where it's just 2203 01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:03.359 not being captured anymore. It's taking over the levels. 2204 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:07.439 It's huge, it's a very it's a it's a massive, 2205 01:55:07.800 --> 01:55:08.680 massive thing. 2206 01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:12.079 Such an effect. Anonymous, thanks very much for the doubling 2207 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:13.920 of your pledge. We appreciate it. Rick S, thank you 2208 01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:16.279 very much for the support. Crosley Bendix, We thank you 2209 01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:18.479 very much. Welcome to the EP tier. Same to you, 2210 01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:22.039 Omari Corey Smell great homie. Thanks very much for bumping 2211 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:25.279 up to the vip tr. Chad writes, Hey, gentlemen, few 2212 01:55:25.279 --> 01:55:27.039 insights for the next time there's a feedback show here. 2213 01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:28.800 We are as far as Owens and Cody and the 2214 01:55:28.840 --> 01:55:30.520 winged Eagle belt. Didn't know if you caught it, but 2215 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:33.640 that's actually just a WW shop replica anyone can purchase. 2216 01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:35.119 Wasn't a legit handmade belt? 2217 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:38.239 Yeah? I got I figure this. Yeah, of course it's 2218 01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:40.119 not gonna be because they can't do the real one 2219 01:55:40.119 --> 01:55:42.000 because it's got the the F in it, and isn't 2220 01:55:42.039 --> 01:55:45.000 the F the isn't that F the one that's a problem. 2221 01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:48.039 I don't know for sure. I thought it was that F. 2222 01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:50.880 I thought it was. I thought maybe more so I 2223 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:54.039 thought it was. I thought I thought that's what it was. 2224 01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:57.960 Maybe all f's are. But yeah, they can't. They can't 2225 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:00.359 even use that one because it's not and of course 2226 01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:02.680 not they have they're not. And also they're not going 2227 01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:05.520 to use that one, right, They're not going to use 2228 01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:11.199 the one that isn't it doesn't have the current the 2229 01:56:11.319 --> 01:56:13.720 w W logo, right all right, they're not going to 2230 01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:16.319 have the F. The F is gone. The F never happened, 2231 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:18.960 The F has been gotten out, Yeah exactly. 2232 01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:21.399 I mean, how sad was it when they were going 2233 01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:24.359 through their old school phase and started coming out with 2234 01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:26.399 all the old merch with the old logo on it 2235 01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.640 and they had to lob off the F. What what 2236 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:32.960 a laughing stock they made of themselves? Like yep, the 2237 01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:35.840 raw thirtieth were like it was all everything was old, 2238 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:38.359 but it was the WWF logo without the f on. 2239 01:56:38.359 --> 01:56:43.479 It so pathetic, so pathetic, I mean even worse when 2240 01:56:43.479 --> 01:56:47.840 they had that that Ultimate Warrior documentary or that something 2241 01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:50.039 I forget what it was, but they showed a clip 2242 01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:54.039 or they showed a still of the WrestleMania six contract 2243 01:56:54.119 --> 01:57:00.279 signing with and they and they, they digitally removed the 2244 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.039 logo and put the E logo in. 2245 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:07.000 They've shown like scans of articles from back then and 2246 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:10.560 gone to the trouble of manipulating the scan of the 2247 01:57:10.600 --> 01:57:13.439 newspaper article to say WWE, when yes, there was no 2248 01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:16.000 such thing at the time the article was printed. Yes, 2249 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:17.560 what's happening here? 2250 01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.840 They're they're they're doing the right thing for business. 2251 01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:24.399 Really, do enjoy Chad right to the SNME live call 2252 01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:26.600 Saturday Night's main event. Glad you've kept up on them. 2253 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:28.600 Must suck to have to watch all that modern stuff. Though, 2254 01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:30.439 crazy idea, but why don't they just go back to 2255 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:33.399 having Saturday Nights main event replace the lower lower level 2256 01:57:33.399 --> 01:57:35.800 pay per views. It's a good question because now it's 2257 01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:38.840 all on Peacock anyway, and they're making the same amount 2258 01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:42.039 of money. I don't know if Peacock necessarily cares if 2259 01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:44.199 you call it no mercy or Saturday Nights main event. 2260 01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:46.600 I'm sure they don't care at all. Just do about 2261 01:57:46.640 --> 01:57:48.079 eight snms a year. I love this. 2262 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:50.760 Yeah, and have your big six four to six pay 2263 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:52.560 per views, because then you can use the Saturday Nights 2264 01:57:52.560 --> 01:57:54.159 main event to shoot the big angles for the pay 2265 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:56.359 per view, which was always the magic of Saturday Nights 2266 01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:59.039 main event. That's where you shot your big angles that 2267 01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:00.760 had to move units on pay TV. 2268 01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:03.840 But but it kind of defeats the purpose if you're like, 2269 01:58:04.960 --> 01:58:08.239 if you're if you have like two Satura Nights main 2270 01:58:08.279 --> 01:58:10.640 events in the run in a row, you can do it. 2271 01:58:10.399 --> 01:58:12.880 It's a little trickier. You just have to be you 2272 01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:15.199 can just do less snmes. But I like this point 2273 01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:16.920 where it's like, why do those have to be on 2274 01:58:16.960 --> 01:58:19.800 top of And as we're seeing with how strategically they're 2275 01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:22.000 deploying these shows, maybe it's starting to make some sense. 2276 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:24.840 Did you hear that they they booked a Saturday Night's 2277 01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:28.079 main event to run the same weekend as aw's big 2278 01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:30.239 all out Texas Stadium show in July in the same 2279 01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:31.560 market in Texas. 2280 01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:35.119 Not they're intext they're gonna be doing in Texas as well. Yeah, 2281 01:58:35.239 --> 01:58:36.119 holy shit. 2282 01:58:36.199 --> 01:58:38.399 So that's that's what Saturday Night's main event is there 2283 01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:41.079 for whatever they need to fuck with AW on Saturday Night. 2284 01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:44.279 And like, I mean, it's kind of funny, like you'd think, though, 2285 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:46.920 are they gonna Is that gonna work? Though? With a 2286 01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:50.479 mean because its main event is kind of less than a. 2287 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:54.079 Pay per view it is for a pl what what's happening? 2288 01:58:54.079 --> 01:58:56.000 It looks like is AW is actually gonna move their 2289 01:58:56.039 --> 01:58:58.720 start time back substantially so that their pay per view 2290 01:58:59.239 --> 01:59:00.960 it's pretty much going to be over by the time 2291 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:02.880 Saturday Night's main events start. So it was to not 2292 01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:05.560 split at least the television audience. And I think they're like, 2293 01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:09.039 it's it's Texas. So there's I think one San Antonio 2294 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:13.880 and one is one is Dallas, so it's far away 2295 01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:17.079 enough that it's you know, it's not the same two markets. 2296 01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:19.279 It's an incredibly long drive if you're a ticket buying 2297 01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:22.119 wrestling fan, right, So it's not like it's hurting, but 2298 01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:24.239 the fact that they would do it, it's just classic shit. 2299 01:59:24.359 --> 01:59:28.239 You know. Oh yeah, that's old school, man, That's honestly, 2300 01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:29.039 it's the way it should be. 2301 01:59:29.359 --> 01:59:31.920 And it was so weird because WWE shifted to Saturdays, 2302 01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:34.319 which fucked with AW. But then AW now is the 2303 01:59:34.359 --> 01:59:36.680 Sunday night pay per view company, because now they have 2304 01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:39.319 a Saturday night television show and TNT Collision that they 2305 01:59:39.319 --> 01:59:41.039 have to do. And so if they were to run 2306 01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:43.560 Saturday night pay per views, which is very optimal for them, 2307 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:46.239 I think they have to cancel Collision, which which of 2308 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:47.439 course I don't know why they're just use it as 2309 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:49.960 a pay per view pre show, but that's neither here 2310 01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:52.239 nor there. And yeah, they're moving it up. And they're 2311 01:59:52.239 --> 01:59:55.920 also now holding off on announcing dates too far out. 2312 01:59:55.960 --> 01:59:57.880 They don't want to announce these dates too far out 2313 01:59:57.920 --> 02:00:01.079 because wwe can can play aimes and counter program. 2314 02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:07.560 It's pretty amazing. Chat that's funny, Man's that's funny. Fucked 2315 02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:10.079 up it is. You didn't you wouldn't think they would 2316 02:00:10.119 --> 02:00:12.680 have to do that, but I mean you right, Like 2317 02:00:12.760 --> 02:00:14.640 I mean, I guess all they wanted to do is 2318 02:00:14.680 --> 02:00:18.760 just wait so they can fucking, you know, buy the company. 2319 02:00:19.119 --> 02:00:21.640 The craziest one I saw because UFC did this too 2320 02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:24.319 big time. When number two groups would pop up, they 2321 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:26.359 would run head to head and book shows on the 2322 02:00:26.359 --> 02:00:29.720 fly to compete with pay per views and other upstock 2323 02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:31.680 groups are trying to do the best. 2324 02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:32.319 One was. 2325 02:00:34.399 --> 02:00:37.239 Bellatore, which was at the time a rising number two. 2326 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:39.359 It was no threat to the UFC, but it was 2327 02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:42.159 you know, they were signing big time fighters. They were competing. 2328 02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:46.239 Bellatour was at Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and UFC was 2329 02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:49.760 in Foxwoods and Connecticut on the same night, almost the 2330 02:00:49.800 --> 02:00:52.880 same night, running to the two Connecticut casinos. 2331 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:55.359 That's how crazy it got. That was a wild night. 2332 02:00:57.079 --> 02:01:12.960 Wrestling podcast. The wrestling podcast that knows the boys need 2333 02:01:13.000 --> 02:01:31.079 their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan 2334 02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:35.359 wrestling podcast with Jack and carn S mjpro. 2335 02:01:35.960 --> 02:01:38.039 Chad writes, less belts, What the fuck are they doing 2336 02:01:38.039 --> 02:01:40.199 with a women's US And I see, yeah, that's the 2337 02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:43.359 thing too. You didn't see like, I don't know, maybe 2338 02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:45.319 I'm a little unplugged. I gotta get some catching up in. 2339 02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:48.720 But you don't even see like why they did it. 2340 02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:50.640 It's very rare that. I mean, here's why they introduce 2341 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:52.640 those belts. It doesn't hit you over the head. It's 2342 02:01:52.680 --> 02:01:54.279 not because it's not it's not a hit you or 2343 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:56.800 the type of thing. It's a it's a fucking all 2344 02:01:56.840 --> 02:01:59.239 it is was about the equality of it. 2345 02:01:59.640 --> 02:02:01.439 I guess that's what it is. No reason, there's no 2346 02:02:01.600 --> 02:02:05.119 reason to actually do it because it just, you know it, 2347 02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:08.479 it just there's no value to it at all. I 2348 02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:10.720 am there's no value to it. I am all for 2349 02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:12.920 people making a living in pro wrestling. I don't want 2350 02:02:12.920 --> 02:02:15.239 anybody to lose their job. Don't take this the wrong way. 2351 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:17.840 But if you look at your roster and you say, 2352 02:02:17.840 --> 02:02:20.920 you know, we've got so much women, so many women, 2353 02:02:21.039 --> 02:02:23.640 that we need to introduce a second belt, so a 2354 02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:25.439 lot of these women have something to compete for and 2355 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:29.640 to you know, orient themselves against, what you might be 2356 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:32.760 telling yourself is you might not need that many women. Frankly, 2357 02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:35.800 I don't understand why, like you don't just employ the 2358 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:37.880 people you need at the time that you actually have 2359 02:02:37.920 --> 02:02:40.520 plans for, you know what I mean. It's it's very. 2360 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:44.159 Strange, like the tale of both rosters, Like what the 2361 02:02:44.279 --> 02:02:45.880 what the company has in mind? 2362 02:02:46.840 --> 02:02:47.039 You know? 2363 02:02:47.560 --> 02:02:49.760 Like I said, I absolutely am not advocating that they 2364 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:51.279 just get thrown out on the street, but I do 2365 02:02:51.319 --> 02:02:53.720 wonder what the mentality is of having so much talent 2366 02:02:53.800 --> 02:02:57.520 under contract both companies. WW is better calibrated than AW. 2367 02:02:57.800 --> 02:02:59.439 AW has so many people that they pay just to 2368 02:02:59.439 --> 02:03:02.800 sit home, because unless they have a storyline for you 2369 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:04.479 right now, they don't even bother flying you to TV. 2370 02:03:04.520 --> 02:03:06.159 But they still pay you every week. So it's kind 2371 02:03:06.159 --> 02:03:07.119 of a great set. 2372 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:09.800 But the thing now is the talent is so much 2373 02:03:09.800 --> 02:03:12.119 more geared towards They want to work, they want to contribute, 2374 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:14.319 they want to show off, they want to show out. 2375 02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:17.119 It's not like the old days were, like you know, 2376 02:03:17.359 --> 02:03:19.520 if you told a carneye in the eighties or nineties 2377 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:21.279 that like will pay you to not do anything, it's 2378 02:03:21.279 --> 02:03:23.640 the greatest fucking thing they've ever heard of, that's right. 2379 02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:25.199 What they get up in the morning forest to stumble 2380 02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:27.079 into an opportunity like that. That's where everyone loved working at 2381 02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:32.399 WCW and the mid to late nineties. But still it's 2382 02:03:32.479 --> 02:03:34.920 it's really weird why they don't just kind of say, 2383 02:03:34.920 --> 02:03:37.720 all right, we've got we've got a couple of programs here. 2384 02:03:37.760 --> 02:03:41.119 We're going to employ these people until the program is over, 2385 02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:43.840 and then we'll cycle someone else in and get them 2386 02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:47.000 locked under contract. Like why have like a bench of 2387 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:49.960 thirty options when you can only deliver one match of 2388 02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:54.039 pay per view anyway? From that roster, it's it's interesting 2389 02:03:54.039 --> 02:03:57.840 to me. So yeah, less belts, of course. I mean, god, 2390 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:00.479 we all know three is the magic number the women's 2391 02:04:00.479 --> 02:04:04.119 title for come on, I mean, this is not complicated, This. 2392 02:04:04.159 --> 02:04:06.640 Is not I mean part of Also, you know, it 2393 02:04:06.640 --> 02:04:09.800 wouldn't be as big of a deal if they didn't 2394 02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:14.079 have so many fucking world championships. Yeah, that's part of 2395 02:04:14.079 --> 02:04:17.840 the problem. That's a big part of the problem. Like 2396 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:22.800 if they were just if they would just let the 2397 02:04:22.800 --> 02:04:25.640 other belts be subservient to the big Belt, if they 2398 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:27.800 would just well, if they would just fucking cut a 2399 02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:32.319 world championship, I've never under I still don't understand like 2400 02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:38.199 what that does except dilute the other the real world championship. 2401 02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:41.000 Guntor should be IC champion. That should be enough, and 2402 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:43.000 then one day he's ready for the Big Belt, and 2403 02:04:43.039 --> 02:04:47.800 that's a beautiful day, right exactly. You know, like it 2404 02:04:48.000 --> 02:04:51.600 because because nobody thinks of it as equal, it's introduced 2405 02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:54.920 it like last year, because the only time, the only 2406 02:04:55.079 --> 02:04:58.720 time it was equal, there was only one time when 2407 02:04:58.760 --> 02:05:03.760 it was equal, and that was that was like two 2408 02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:07.279 thousand and four, two thousand and five. They did it. 2409 02:05:07.479 --> 02:05:11.439 They did such a great job at because I remember, 2410 02:05:11.560 --> 02:05:15.000 you know, when when when Triple H first got the belt, 2411 02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:17.199 it was like it was such a joke. It was 2412 02:05:17.239 --> 02:05:20.680 such a joke, and it meant nothing. But when they 2413 02:05:20.880 --> 02:05:23.720 you know, especially I think of WrestleMania twenty as being 2414 02:05:23.760 --> 02:05:26.720 the time where both championships really meant something. 2415 02:05:26.800 --> 02:05:29.039 Yeah, I thought by then the World the Big Gold 2416 02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:33.399 had so thoroughly eclipsed the WW Beltah's Belt of Choices. 2417 02:05:33.399 --> 02:05:35.920 He wanted to cosplay as Rick Flair, of. 2418 02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:38.720 Course, and and I agree that it kind of had. 2419 02:05:38.760 --> 02:05:42.039 But at the same time, you know, when Brock had 2420 02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:46.880 the belt and when had the belt, yeah, there was 2421 02:05:46.920 --> 02:05:49.159 like you know, when they have those, there was some 2422 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:52.520 Even when Sena and Batista had it, it was close, 2423 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:55.640 there was like there was a real like these guys 2424 02:05:55.680 --> 02:05:58.159 aren't equal planes, Like there I can see them both. 2425 02:05:58.520 --> 02:06:01.760 But but since then, it's like it's just a fucking 2426 02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:05.720 it's it's a joke, it really is, and title is 2427 02:06:05.760 --> 02:06:09.600 what it is, right, there's no need to have two 2428 02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:11.760 world champions and this in order to have two women 2429 02:06:11.840 --> 02:06:15.399 world champions like you could easily. I like having a 2430 02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:17.800 US Belt. I always liked having US belts. I think 2431 02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:21.880 having three championships for the men and then tag titles 2432 02:06:21.880 --> 02:06:23.760 and then three champions for the women and then tag titles. 2433 02:06:23.800 --> 02:06:25.439 Is great, that's it. That's all you gotta have. 2434 02:06:25.720 --> 02:06:28.199 Clearly, and I think introducing all these belts it just 2435 02:06:28.239 --> 02:06:30.560 goes to show that like they're not as creative as 2436 02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:32.359 they like to think they are, because they don't know 2437 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:34.960 what to do if they can't orient the show around 2438 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:38.520 everyone chasing something that's perceived as the world championship, right, 2439 02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:40.600 like they can the ideas that the ideas that you 2440 02:06:40.640 --> 02:06:42.640 are supposed to be always chasing the world championship, but 2441 02:06:42.640 --> 02:06:44.920 you're doing that by winning matches and winning against Imagine 2442 02:06:44.920 --> 02:06:47.960 that more prestigious, more prestigious opponents. Imagine that, you know, 2443 02:06:48.079 --> 02:06:50.319 like yeah, and you can have it doesn't have to 2444 02:06:50.319 --> 02:06:53.039 be one show has the world champion, the other one doesn't. 2445 02:06:53.159 --> 02:06:55.479 The World champ can go from roster to roster. You know, 2446 02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:57.840 they can be on SmackDown for two months if the 2447 02:06:57.880 --> 02:07:00.359 top contender happens to be there, and they can Beyond 2448 02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:02.880 Raw for two months if the top contender happens to 2449 02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:05.199 be there. But the idea that both shows have to 2450 02:07:05.239 --> 02:07:07.560 operate on these two separate islands, because the only way 2451 02:07:07.600 --> 02:07:10.960 we understand is this waterfall structure where everything comes down 2452 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:12.840 from this one world champion at the top of the hill, 2453 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:14.840 and we have to almost pretend for the sake of 2454 02:07:14.880 --> 02:07:17.720 this self contained show that there isn't another world champion 2455 02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:20.760 in the world, that the person doesn't exist. Almost is 2456 02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:24.000 completely stupid. It just begs people to not take the 2457 02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:27.760 world title seriously, and they shouldn't, frankly, because it was 2458 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:31.760 just clumsily thrown back out there because Triple H didn't 2459 02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:34.199 know what to do on raw. Because here it's no 2460 02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:38.119 coincidence that the company absolutely lit on fire when Roman 2461 02:07:38.199 --> 02:07:41.079 had both belts on his shoulder. There was one champion. 2462 02:07:41.199 --> 02:07:43.560 That's how you fucking do it, and he proved it. 2463 02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:46.800 He proved it still the case. You look at how 2464 02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:48.880 much of an attraction he was when he had both 2465 02:07:48.920 --> 02:07:52.680 belts swinging, swinging like a big dick all over the place, 2466 02:07:53.600 --> 02:07:57.159 and Becky the same thing. Becky never felt as big 2467 02:07:57.680 --> 02:08:01.840 as she did holding those two belts high. Oh, of course, 2468 02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:06.439 no way, come on, folks. And for rumble, he says, 2469 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:08.560 you think you miss gorilla on the death toll? I 2470 02:08:08.600 --> 02:08:11.039 don't know think ninety six rumble is that what he's 2471 02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:14.960 talking about about, uh rub ninety six is Gorilla on there. 2472 02:08:15.039 --> 02:08:16.720 Yeah he is, Yeah, because the next night he gets 2473 02:08:16.760 --> 02:08:19.279 splashed by Vader, right did I? 2474 02:08:19.279 --> 02:08:22.640 I mean, well, I can I can see Meg. I 2475 02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:24.000 must have missed him. I don't know how I missed 2476 02:08:24.039 --> 02:08:27.279 it happens. Don't miss Gorilla of all people, he says. 2477 02:08:27.279 --> 02:08:28.520 And you are right to think of the rumble as 2478 02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:30.960 where Razor always loses the icy Belt. He also lost 2479 02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.079 it in ninety five to Double j and I totally 2480 02:08:33.119 --> 02:08:35.760 agree to the rumble match would always go last Chat agrees. 2481 02:08:35.960 --> 02:08:38.760 But so far as double Duty goes despite the negatives 2482 02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:41.239 of it, years when the roster is so thin like 2483 02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:43.600 in the New Gen years, wouldn't it benefit the Rumble 2484 02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:45.800 match to do it instead of having tons of Jabroni's 2485 02:08:45.800 --> 02:08:47.359 in it. I kind of feel like anyone besides the 2486 02:08:47.359 --> 02:08:49.520 guys in the World Title match should be on the 2487 02:08:49.560 --> 02:08:52.239 table the years they didn't doubled dip, like ninety three 2488 02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:53.600 to ninety five and ninety six or some of the 2489 02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:56.399 least exciting rumbles to me. So he's saying, if guys 2490 02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:57.840 can't come back to compete in the match at the 2491 02:08:57.920 --> 02:09:00.279 end of the night, it just hurts. The rumble just 2492 02:09:00.319 --> 02:09:03.520 makes the brumble too thin. I mean, he's not wrong, 2493 02:09:05.239 --> 02:09:08.039 but I still hate it. And I never liked the 2494 02:09:08.079 --> 02:09:08.760 double dipping at all. 2495 02:09:08.800 --> 02:09:10.920 I still hate it. Yeah, I hate it. Hate it. 2496 02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:14.279 You show up to the building trained and focused to 2497 02:09:14.319 --> 02:09:16.600 win the Brumble, and then the other guys are trained 2498 02:09:16.600 --> 02:09:17.760 and focused to win their matches. 2499 02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:19.359 You can't. You can't do both. 2500 02:09:19.600 --> 02:09:22.199 I mean you can, but it's just like one of 2501 02:09:22.199 --> 02:09:24.800 the two is going to suffer needlessly, rightly, because the 2502 02:09:24.840 --> 02:09:26.760 whole reason you put matches other than the Battle Royal 2503 02:09:26.800 --> 02:09:29.159 and the Royal Rumble is to spice up the card 2504 02:09:29.199 --> 02:09:32.199 and make it more attractive from a marquee standpoint, right, 2505 02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:34.479 And if all those guys are just also Rumble participants, 2506 02:09:34.479 --> 02:09:37.399 it doesn't really spice up the card because those guys 2507 02:09:37.399 --> 02:09:40.560 are in the Rumble anyway. It's not something extra. Martin Wilson, 2508 02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:42.600 thanks very much for your pledge. We deeply appreciate it. 2509 02:09:42.640 --> 02:09:44.760 My friend Matthew Johnda, thank you very much for the cake. 2510 02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:46.520 It will be put to good use. Tim l thank 2511 02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:49.159 you very much for generously doubling your pledge. We see 2512 02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:51.920 you and appreciate you. Asked Blaster eighteen sixty five, that's 2513 02:09:51.960 --> 02:09:53.359 the fucking ticket right there there. 2514 02:09:53.359 --> 02:09:54.359 It is absolutely and. 2515 02:09:54.319 --> 02:09:56.800 Rumble ninety six. Paul writes Dorance Junior wearing a two 2516 02:09:56.840 --> 02:09:58.680 pey and thinking that it's the funniest thing ever that 2517 02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:01.439 everyone is no selling. It just tickles me. He might 2518 02:10:01.479 --> 02:10:05.720 actually be as simple as lapsed Dory. Ryan Harvey, thank 2519 02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:08.159 you very much for your increased pledge, Sam writes, Jack 2520 02:10:08.199 --> 02:10:11.600 brought up DJ Dwayn Johnson the idea of Dwayn Johnson 2521 02:10:11.680 --> 02:10:13.520 entering at number thirty one this year. In the rumble, 2522 02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:16.560 we were talking about what if? Right, Yeah, that's literally 2523 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:18.239 and I did forget this, I'll admit it what Triple 2524 02:10:18.359 --> 02:10:20.279 H did in twenty sixteen entered number thirty one and 2525 02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:23.439 won it. Totally forgot that that was the rumble, that 2526 02:10:23.439 --> 02:10:25.039 it was for the title. And then he he wasn't 2527 02:10:25.039 --> 02:10:26.039 thirty one, he was thirty. 2528 02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:29.039 He wasn't thirty one. I don't think so he was. 2529 02:10:29.199 --> 02:10:29.960 Let me take a look. 2530 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:31.920 I think they did this thing where like, because he's 2531 02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:34.800 the power player, he pulled a power play and got 2532 02:10:34.840 --> 02:10:35.960 the things were a rumble. 2533 02:10:35.720 --> 02:10:40.079 Twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, Pretty sure 2534 02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:42.399 it was. I think it was twenty sixteen, because it 2535 02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:43.960 was it was a year we went to Dallas, Texas 2536 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:49.800 for wrestling. I was sixteen. Yeah, no, he was thirty, Okay, 2537 02:10:49.840 --> 02:10:50.680 he was thirty. He was thirty. 2538 02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:52.840 That's not what I meant. I said thirty one. Yeah, 2539 02:10:52.880 --> 02:10:54.319 it should be here. I am falling on my sword. 2540 02:10:54.359 --> 02:10:55.000 That's not what I mean. 2541 02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:55.319 I mean. 2542 02:10:55.600 --> 02:10:58.960 He pulls power play and adds a spot to the rumble. 2543 02:10:58.840 --> 02:11:01.199 Right, right, that's the idea. That should be an extra spot. 2544 02:11:01.359 --> 02:11:04.239 Not that he's in it, but that all thirty guys 2545 02:11:04.239 --> 02:11:06.720 have entered. And then like four minutes later, the clock 2546 02:11:06.760 --> 02:11:09.800 goes down again, right, you know, or like when there's 2547 02:11:09.880 --> 02:11:16.199 like or or even better, even better, the guy wins 2548 02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:20.119 the rumble and the clock starts going down and then 2549 02:11:20.199 --> 02:11:21.039 out comes Dwayne. 2550 02:11:21.079 --> 02:11:24.479 He didn't win, right, William, you ran. Thank you very 2551 02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:26.840 much for your pledge. John Lamb, thank you for. 2552 02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:31.000 Remember remember remember when you know, remember like this was 2553 02:11:31.039 --> 02:11:33.720 such a that that was actually one of the biggest 2554 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:38.640 fucking triple H bullshit moves ever when he when he 2555 02:11:38.680 --> 02:11:41.680 won that, because not only did he did he win it, 2556 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:44.000 but then he's like, you know, here they are, they're 2557 02:11:44.039 --> 02:11:47.880 trying to build up Roman reigns as the guy and 2558 02:11:51.680 --> 02:11:54.600 he tossed triple H just fucking tosses him out, and 2559 02:11:54.640 --> 02:11:57.199 then he crotch chops him and does all that ship 2560 02:11:57.279 --> 02:12:00.720 and comes across as the biggest fucking all time. It's 2561 02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:04.119 such like a fucking like, you know, you're not you're 2562 02:12:04.159 --> 02:12:08.279 not doing You're creating so much more harm than any 2563 02:12:08.319 --> 02:12:10.479 sort of I mean that that's his m O really, 2564 02:12:10.960 --> 02:12:14.640 up until most recently, I suppose, is that's what he 2565 02:12:14.680 --> 02:12:16.560 would do. He would fucking know until that heart attack 2566 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:18.920 where he wasn't like a lie to actually get in 2567 02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:21.199 the runing anymore exactly clips everybody. 2568 02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:25.439 Yeah, that was pathetic. There was something. There's some backstory too, 2569 02:12:25.479 --> 02:12:27.479 and I'm trying to remember the details. I feel like 2570 02:12:27.560 --> 02:12:30.600 it was supposed to be Roman and somebody else, and 2571 02:12:31.039 --> 02:12:34.039 that having Triple H went it that way and get 2572 02:12:34.039 --> 02:12:36.039 into the main event was like a plan B. But 2573 02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:39.319 I can't remember. I can't remember if it was just 2574 02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.279 people wanted it to be someone else, or if it 2575 02:12:41.279 --> 02:12:42.920 was going was supposed to be a Rock, because I 2576 02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.920 remember Rock had done the thing where he came out 2577 02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:48.199 with Roman, remember, and endorsed him after he won the 2578 02:12:48.279 --> 02:12:49.239 Rumble that year. 2579 02:12:49.159 --> 02:12:52.760 Right, yeah, the year the year prior so, and everyone 2580 02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:55.000 and everyone bowed the shit out of rock. They sure did, 2581 02:12:55.119 --> 02:12:59.159 They sure did. That was the hint of things to come. Yeah, 2582 02:12:59.279 --> 02:12:59.840 not pathetic. 2583 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:01.640 And then you know, you know, you know Triple Agency 2584 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:04.159 in that record Gate and that record one hundred thousand 2585 02:13:04.159 --> 02:13:07.159 plus crowd number, and it's I pulling the whole coga. 2586 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:09.039 How can I sign myself to that? 2587 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:10.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. 2588 02:13:10.960 --> 02:13:13.880 It was a decent match, but it didn't get didn't 2589 02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:14.920 get Roman off to the races. 2590 02:13:14.920 --> 02:13:17.279 I'll tell you that. No, well, nothing, nothing really could 2591 02:13:17.279 --> 02:13:19.039 at the times true, honestly, he was fucked. 2592 02:13:19.279 --> 02:13:23.359 I was searching for what David Lynch thing from the past. 2593 02:13:23.399 --> 02:13:25.079 Someone had written to us about people leaving the theater. 2594 02:13:25.199 --> 02:13:28.000 Carlos says he saw a racerhead in theater. People walked out. 2595 02:13:28.279 --> 02:13:30.439 The people I was with were pissed. I felt that 2596 02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:33.000 warm pariah feeling like being a wrestling mark, the sense 2597 02:13:33.000 --> 02:13:35.319 of really connecting with something that earns contempt from the 2598 02:13:35.359 --> 02:13:38.159 normis a racerhead. Mahalan drive in the twenty twenty two 2599 02:13:38.159 --> 02:13:41.159 Weather Reports are personal faves. Blue Velvet was too much, 2600 02:13:41.359 --> 02:13:41.840 too much. 2601 02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:45.640 I wasn't ready. Wow, you no shit? What is this movie? 2602 02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:46.840 Why is people? 2603 02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:48.800 I'm ready for it. I'm fascinating I know, I know, 2604 02:13:48.960 --> 02:13:50.199 got to make time to watch this thing. 2605 02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:51.239 I gotta do it. 2606 02:13:51.279 --> 02:13:53.600 Patrick Weisberger, thank you very much for your support and 2607 02:13:53.640 --> 02:13:56.439 increasing your pledge recently. We appreciate it very much. Paul Epton, 2608 02:13:56.760 --> 02:13:59.119 thank you for the support. Michael Tremarco. Another shout out 2609 02:13:59.119 --> 02:14:02.159 coming your way for increasing your pledge earlier. Tim Lee, 2610 02:14:02.159 --> 02:14:03.720 thank you very much for doing much the same. These 2611 02:14:03.720 --> 02:14:05.520 people see these live calls, boss, and they need it. 2612 02:14:05.520 --> 02:14:06.399 It's not complicated. 2613 02:14:06.439 --> 02:14:07.239 Yes, yes. 2614 02:14:07.359 --> 02:14:09.960 Nicholas Chapara, thank you very much for your increased pledge. 2615 02:14:09.960 --> 02:14:12.920 Same to you, Andrew Mansow. And that's a meaty number 2616 02:14:12.920 --> 02:14:15.399 coming our way. We appreciate that. Eric red Bee, thank 2617 02:14:15.399 --> 02:14:19.199 you very much for your support. Sam also clarifies that yes, 2618 02:14:19.239 --> 02:14:21.079 Fordfield does have one of those windows where you can 2619 02:14:21.119 --> 02:14:23.159 see the sky during the day. Remember we were wondering 2620 02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:28.159 about that, Yes, and you had that foggy memory that 2621 02:14:28.159 --> 02:14:30.039 when we went to ford Field for WrestleMania that year 2622 02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:32.920 that it was like it was yep, Okay, I can 2623 02:14:33.000 --> 02:14:36.039 confirm right, Sam Rivers, thank you for the pledge. Pete, 2624 02:14:36.159 --> 02:14:39.319 thank you for the support. On Patreon. Josh Wright, welcome, 2625 02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:42.560 my friend to the moat tier. You mighty mighty Motor 2626 02:14:42.960 --> 02:14:45.439 Michael Kaprio, thanks very much for the support. Tim Weiss 2627 02:14:45.520 --> 02:14:47.720 jumped all the way up to that fucking moat tier 2628 02:14:47.760 --> 02:14:50.359 as well. These people don't fuck around man, No, they're 2629 02:14:50.359 --> 02:14:53.840 not intimidated, Curtis writes, Love Rumble ninety six show. 2630 02:14:53.880 --> 02:14:54.199 Thank you. 2631 02:14:54.399 --> 02:14:56.159 Also loved your idea of having a rumble where all 2632 02:14:56.159 --> 02:14:58.119 thirty people get in the ring before a single elimination. 2633 02:14:58.199 --> 02:15:00.680 See he loves it. What's it going to be? 2634 02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:00.880 Is it? 2635 02:15:00.920 --> 02:15:02.439 Is it a bad idea or is it a good idea? 2636 02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:05.319 It's not a bad idea, idea they haven't done yet, 2637 02:15:05.319 --> 02:15:06.840 he says. Would be for one guy to be standing 2638 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:08.479 alone in the ring as the buzzer goes for number 2639 02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:11.560 twenty nine, and those who immediately brawl and double eliminate 2640 02:15:11.560 --> 02:15:14.960 each other, leaving an empty ring as they milk number thirty. 2641 02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:16.960 Who would be the winner by default? 2642 02:15:17.479 --> 02:15:19.479 Yeah? I would that'd be. I mean that would be. 2643 02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:25.079 I have mixed feelings about that, Like, it's definitely something 2644 02:15:25.079 --> 02:15:28.159 that would be cool to witness. At the same time, 2645 02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:29.640 it would be such a you. 2646 02:15:29.600 --> 02:15:31.880 Would have to choose that wonder very carefully. It'd have 2647 02:15:31.960 --> 02:15:34.399 to be some big time heel or something, right. 2648 02:15:34.439 --> 02:15:38.079 I have be somebody who who honestly had no chance 2649 02:15:38.079 --> 02:15:41.680 in hell in winning, but it needed to be someone yeah, 2650 02:15:42.359 --> 02:15:46.399 kind of legit. Santino, No, I don't think so. I 2651 02:15:46.439 --> 02:15:48.840 think that would have been bad. But it could have 2652 02:15:48.920 --> 02:15:59.880 been m Alberto del Rio yea, Seamus Yeah Alberta now yeah, yeah, 2653 02:16:00.079 --> 02:16:01.159 either of them like im not. 2654 02:16:01.359 --> 02:16:03.560 Just smarmy heels that you know, don't deserve to be. 2655 02:16:03.520 --> 02:16:06.359 There, right, and they really had no business fucking winning 2656 02:16:06.399 --> 02:16:09.720 that thing, right, but they did. Yeah. 2657 02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:13.279 His idea, Curtis's vision is what you have is the 2658 02:16:13.319 --> 02:16:16.159 announcers aren't emphasizing that they know who the last person is, 2659 02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:18.880 so they did they haven't figured it out yet. But 2660 02:16:19.000 --> 02:16:22.439 once this emergency occurs where the last two guys before 2661 02:16:22.520 --> 02:16:24.920 number thirty are out and therefore number thirty is gonna win, 2662 02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:28.159 they're like scrambling trying to figure out, like, who haven't 2663 02:16:28.159 --> 02:16:29.439 we seen yet? Who the hell is this gonna be? 2664 02:16:29.479 --> 02:16:31.199 Who's gonna win this fucking match? It'll be like the 2665 02:16:31.239 --> 02:16:32.319 longest countdown ever. 2666 02:16:32.920 --> 02:16:34.879 And what would be amazing too, is if it was 2667 02:16:36.399 --> 02:16:40.000 is if it happened they eliminated to each other with 2668 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:43.280 like a minute to go. Yeah, you know, like a 2669 02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:47.120 memory before and everyone's gonna wait there and like, who 2670 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:47.840 the fuck is it? 2671 02:16:48.040 --> 02:16:49.399 You know when this would have been a stroke of 2672 02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:53.120 genius ninety nine, that's how Vince wins. 2673 02:16:53.479 --> 02:16:57.079 Oh that works. That would have been pretty cool. Yep. 2674 02:16:57.200 --> 02:16:58.920 It has to be a rumble where you don't plan 2675 02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:01.040 on putting the winner in the WrestleMania Maine. 2676 02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:06.079 Event like that year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. 2677 02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:09.479 Kevin writes, I'm watching the nineteen eighty nine rubble Jesse. 2678 02:17:09.479 --> 02:17:11.239 You just said you weren't eliminated until you go over 2679 02:17:11.239 --> 02:17:12.920 the top rope and both he't hit the floor. 2680 02:17:12.959 --> 02:17:14.840 What the fuck? I thought it wasn't until ninety five? 2681 02:17:15.360 --> 02:17:19.440 He says it what n Kevin reports back, Yep, all right, 2682 02:17:19.559 --> 02:17:22.319 it's a look at it complicates things. That does complicate things. 2683 02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:24.120 I will admit that if that is the case, and 2684 02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:27.280 then then my argument is, uh is fucked. Although they 2685 02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:30.639 didn't play by that rule any other year that year, 2686 02:17:30.680 --> 02:17:31.760 that was never specified. 2687 02:17:32.360 --> 02:17:35.479 Absolutely yeah, there's apparently early evidence of it, but they 2688 02:17:35.479 --> 02:17:38.559 did not emphasize it anywhere near as much through the night. 2689 02:17:38.680 --> 02:17:41.040 I mean, once you, once you, I mean, I'll uh. 2690 02:17:42.319 --> 02:17:44.520 It is hard. I will say this though. What really 2691 02:17:44.600 --> 02:17:47.440 bothers me more than the more than the two feet thing, 2692 02:17:48.959 --> 02:17:51.719 more than the two feet thing. What bothers me is 2693 02:17:51.760 --> 02:17:56.680 when somebody is somebody clears the ring. Yeah, when you 2694 02:17:56.719 --> 02:17:59.440 clear the ring, if you're like hanging onto the rope 2695 02:17:59.840 --> 02:18:03.879 like Sean Michaels did, I can kind of I can 2696 02:18:04.000 --> 02:18:07.360 see that as being somewhat even though I still think 2697 02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:10.600 it's bullshit. I'm willing to excuse that. But when you've 2698 02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:15.239 got fucking uh Naomi who is on the fucking announced 2699 02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:21.239 table and hasn't touched feet, that's bullshit. You are cleared 2700 02:18:21.239 --> 02:18:25.440 from that ring. You have been cleared. To me, more 2701 02:18:25.479 --> 02:18:27.840 to do with It's got more to do with the 2702 02:18:27.840 --> 02:18:33.799 fact that your foot hit the floor and you you 2703 02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:36.600 let go of the ring. You let go of that 2704 02:18:36.680 --> 02:18:39.719 ring rope, like you're no longer struggling to stay in. 2705 02:18:39.799 --> 02:18:42.159 We're not connected to the ring anymore. Yeah, right, you're 2706 02:18:42.200 --> 02:18:44.879 floating right outside of the field of play. You're out 2707 02:18:44.920 --> 02:18:48.239 of bounds. Essentially, you can't make a catch out of bounds, 2708 02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:52.559 even if you're standing. Yeah, it's it's it's It gets 2709 02:18:52.600 --> 02:18:55.239 on my nerves too, because it was creative for a while, 2710 02:18:55.280 --> 02:18:57.079 but now it's like every year everyone waits for the 2711 02:18:57.079 --> 02:19:00.760 spot and that's annoying, right. Shout out to Andrew for 2712 02:19:00.840 --> 02:19:03.920 bumping up to the moat teer. We appreciated, Austin says 2713 02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:06.440 regarding breakfast sand, which is yes, a great breakfast sand, 2714 02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:10.600 which is amazing. However, a great breakfast taco burrito absolutely 2715 02:19:10.719 --> 02:19:14.719 properly will change hundred life absolutely, no question, he says. 2716 02:19:14.760 --> 02:19:16.840 JP's description is really good, but I have to say 2717 02:19:17.000 --> 02:19:18.920 top three thing I miss about living in Texas is 2718 02:19:18.959 --> 02:19:22.000 the ridiculous availability of top quality breakfast tacos, not only 2719 02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:24.440 from the usual taco restaurants, but more importantly at hole 2720 02:19:24.479 --> 02:19:26.280 in the wall joints connected to gas stations where you 2721 02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:27.319 get the real amazing stuff. 2722 02:19:27.360 --> 02:19:29.559 Great. Oh yes, now I'm hungry with zero good taco 2723 02:19:29.559 --> 02:19:31.959 spots around me in northern Virginia. Yes, sorry, Austin, that's 2724 02:19:32.000 --> 02:19:34.600 the name goes, and I gotta make my own burritos 2725 02:19:34.639 --> 02:19:38.360 all day breakfast tacos. Oh, I love breakfast burritos. Holy shit. 2726 02:19:38.719 --> 02:19:42.120 If you do, you get a breakfast burrito, all right, 2727 02:19:44.040 --> 02:19:47.520 and you got? I mean I like sometimes I like 2728 02:19:47.959 --> 02:19:50.600 a crazy one, no question, but more often than not, 2729 02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:56.879 all I like in a breakfast burrito is eggs, bacon, cheese, 2730 02:19:57.280 --> 02:20:02.520 and potatoes, all right, and if you've got the right 2731 02:20:04.520 --> 02:20:09.440 amount of both ingredients, I put what I like to do. 2732 02:20:10.000 --> 02:20:12.319 I put a little bit of like I'll cut it 2733 02:20:12.360 --> 02:20:15.239 in half, all right, and I'll put a little bit 2734 02:20:15.239 --> 02:20:17.879 of sour cream on on part of it. And then 2735 02:20:17.920 --> 02:20:22.440 I put usually it's my own, my homemade salsa, and 2736 02:20:22.520 --> 02:20:26.120 I'll put it on. Take that bite, forget it, forget it, 2737 02:20:26.879 --> 02:20:31.040 forget it. So I'll tell you what. I'm not crazy 2738 02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:34.440 enough to have two. But when I'm done, I want 2739 02:20:34.479 --> 02:20:40.000 another one. And I get big ass fucking flower tortillas 2740 02:20:40.000 --> 02:20:43.520 like I'm not like the like like like kind of 2741 02:20:43.559 --> 02:20:46.840 the size that we had at the fucking Mexican place 2742 02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:55.520 in Brooklyn. All right, yeah, exactly, and I want another one. 2743 02:20:55.760 --> 02:21:01.879 I want another one. Potatoes, bacon, and it's it. Yeah, 2744 02:21:02.000 --> 02:21:06.479 that's it. I'm gonna have one tomorrow. That's it my 2745 02:21:06.600 --> 02:21:08.520 fucking morning. Now, do you have all the ingredients you 2746 02:21:08.520 --> 02:21:11.399 get to go? Get? Absolutely, I'm ready to go. Wow, 2747 02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:15.000 fucking nail that ship, my man. 2748 02:21:15.479 --> 02:21:18.760 That's how we fucking live around here. But Austin does 2749 02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:20.840 write hard disagree on one thing. Hot sauce is a 2750 02:21:20.879 --> 02:21:24.079 requirement for a great breakfast sandwich taco burrito. Maybe that's 2751 02:21:24.120 --> 02:21:24.680 the textan in me. 2752 02:21:24.760 --> 02:21:30.920 Shit for burrito, Yes, not for a sandwich. Depends depends again. 2753 02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:33.639 Sometimes I like to go crazy, like there's some places 2754 02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:38.280 nearby they've got like a you know, uh volcano breakfast 2755 02:21:38.319 --> 02:21:39.799 sandwich or whatever, and it's like, okay, you know I 2756 02:21:39.879 --> 02:21:43.000 have that. It's got like jalapenos and mix it with 2757 02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:45.719 the egg and it's like good hot sauce and great. Fine. 2758 02:21:45.760 --> 02:21:48.879 I'll do that every now and again. But in terms 2759 02:21:48.920 --> 02:21:55.319 of day to day no, not in a breakfast sandwich. 2760 02:21:56.200 --> 02:21:59.680 Like if I'm gonna do just fucking English muffin, bake 2761 02:21:59.719 --> 02:22:06.000 an egg and cheese, it's with grill the English muffin, 2762 02:22:07.159 --> 02:22:09.680 you know, like you do it a fucking New England diner. 2763 02:22:11.040 --> 02:22:15.840 Se I don't know. Not everyone grilled English means like 2764 02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:18.559 if you go to I remember the first time I 2765 02:22:18.639 --> 02:22:21.159 was like embarrassed when my fucking parents would ask for 2766 02:22:21.159 --> 02:22:24.559 a grilled English at a at a at a diner 2767 02:22:24.799 --> 02:22:29.159 in LA They're gonna actually like, no, you can't, They're 2768 02:22:29.200 --> 02:22:31.520 gonna put it on the grill. If they're actually gonna 2769 02:22:31.559 --> 02:22:33.559 grill it, like it's not it's not what you think 2770 02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:36.040 it is. They're gonna put it on the grill where 2771 02:22:36.040 --> 02:22:38.719 they make the fucking burgers, and you're gonna have lines 2772 02:22:38.760 --> 02:22:42.280 on it. They're not putting butter on it and pressing 2773 02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:44.440 down with it with a fucking spatula to make it 2774 02:22:44.559 --> 02:22:52.360 flat and crunchy. That's again so grilled English, very specific, okay, 2775 02:22:52.639 --> 02:22:54.719 very You have to cut it. You can't fork o. 2776 02:22:54.879 --> 02:22:57.319 You can't just pull it open. You can't pull it open. 2777 02:22:57.760 --> 02:23:01.239 You get to slice the the English muffin with a 2778 02:23:01.319 --> 02:23:06.479 knife so that both sides are flat, the insides are flat. 2779 02:23:08.520 --> 02:23:11.680 You put butter on the on the sides of the 2780 02:23:11.840 --> 02:23:15.719 uncooked English muffin, and then you fucking put that down 2781 02:23:15.760 --> 02:23:17.799 on your pan or if you're looking up to have 2782 02:23:17.840 --> 02:23:20.559 a griddle, you put it down there and you and 2783 02:23:20.639 --> 02:23:25.040 you gotta have something to just put some pressure on it. Unbelievable, 2784 02:23:25.360 --> 02:23:28.760 so that that that everything that's you know, it's got butter, 2785 02:23:28.840 --> 02:23:34.319 so it creates this crunchy surface. You put a fucking 2786 02:23:34.520 --> 02:23:37.399 you put bacon, egg and cheese and that ship. Forget it, man, 2787 02:23:38.479 --> 02:23:41.040 forget it. I went out of that as well tomorrow. 2788 02:23:42.280 --> 02:23:45.360 And the fucking breakfast burrito. Yeah, no fucks given, let's 2789 02:23:45.399 --> 02:23:52.239 get it, oh ship, it's all about breakfast sandwiches. Man, Oh, 2790 02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:54.719 it really is. You can you can survive your whole 2791 02:23:54.760 --> 02:23:58.440 life on breakfast sandwich, like late in the morning, like 2792 02:23:58.559 --> 02:24:03.719 count me in. Oh, there's some listen. I'm sometimes you know, 2793 02:24:04.079 --> 02:24:06.440 I don't. I don't usually do it, but if i'm 2794 02:24:06.559 --> 02:24:10.959 if I'm home alone for dinner, dude, do it, no question, 2795 02:24:11.079 --> 02:24:16.600 fire it up. Yep, yep, Because I got to make 2796 02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:19.000 three meals in my house anyway for my fucking family. 2797 02:24:19.040 --> 02:24:22.159 I'm not like, I won't necessarily do that. I'll try 2798 02:24:22.200 --> 02:24:24.360 to keep one of I'll try to keep my meal 2799 02:24:24.399 --> 02:24:27.920 to be something like the other meals, but usually with 2800 02:24:27.920 --> 02:24:31.000 with meat. But no, I'm I'm cooking three meals for 2801 02:24:31.040 --> 02:24:33.760 everybody every fucking night. Yeah, that's the way it works. 2802 02:24:34.079 --> 02:24:37.879 That's so much and we're all the beneficiaries. Yeah. 2803 02:24:37.920 --> 02:24:41.319 Having tasted the Thanksgiving sandwich for it, h great, heavenly 2804 02:24:41.879 --> 02:24:43.760 uh Neil Wrights, I guess I always had trouble see 2805 02:24:43.760 --> 02:24:45.639 Shawn Michaels with the belt in nineteen ninety six, this, 2806 02:24:45.680 --> 02:24:47.600 of course in reference to Rowbald ninety six, which we 2807 02:24:47.639 --> 02:24:49.600 did this year. I understood at the time that they 2808 02:24:49.639 --> 02:24:52.040 were positioning him as this Michael Jordan ESK human highlight reel, 2809 02:24:52.040 --> 02:24:53.559 and there was some appeal to that kind of guy. 2810 02:24:53.680 --> 02:24:56.159 Being the WWF standard bearer, you could certainly do worse 2811 02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:58.239 than pushing someone who is so exciting to watch. But 2812 02:24:58.280 --> 02:24:59.760 I think I even knew back then that it was 2813 02:24:59.760 --> 02:25:02.799 more jab at WCW having Savage and Hogan than Vince 2814 02:25:02.879 --> 02:25:05.360 believing he had found the guy who could lead his company. 2815 02:25:05.399 --> 02:25:07.840 Our guys are younger and more athletic, et cetera. They 2816 02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:10.319 were even airing new generation ads that attacked older styles 2817 02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:12.520 of wrestling had on. They sure were seeing him in 2818 02:25:12.520 --> 02:25:14.239 the Rumble and the rest of his nineteen ninety six 2819 02:25:14.239 --> 02:25:16.079 Sean is an athlete performer is such a big part 2820 02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:18.319 of the presentation, but it feels like they are masking 2821 02:25:18.360 --> 02:25:21.280 the truth that everything else isn't working that well. The 2822 02:25:21.319 --> 02:25:23.719 promos angles character work aren't very good, and even if 2823 02:25:23.760 --> 02:25:25.799 the matches are exciting, you don't really care about the 2824 02:25:25.799 --> 02:25:29.719 people Sean is wrestling. Yeah, I think that becomes true 2825 02:25:29.719 --> 02:25:31.239 when Diesel leaves. I think they would have had a 2826 02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:34.280 hell of a program if Diesel stuck around. Yeah, I 2827 02:25:34.280 --> 02:25:35.840 think they could have gone a SummerSlam with that thing, 2828 02:25:35.879 --> 02:25:37.600 And I think he could have worked a Razor too, 2829 02:25:37.959 --> 02:25:40.879 you know, yep, oh yeah, the world title Razor turns 2830 02:25:40.920 --> 02:25:44.440 heel on him or something. He never had a had 2831 02:25:44.440 --> 02:25:50.440 a world title after after Brett A. Razor never wrestled 2832 02:25:50.440 --> 02:25:51.639 for the world title again. That would have been a 2833 02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:55.079 great program, like Turn Turn Razor heel. He needed that 2834 02:25:55.120 --> 02:25:58.120 so bad at that point. Oh yeah, that was the time, like. 2835 02:25:58.159 --> 02:26:02.399 He was so he was so stale late ninety five 2836 02:26:03.760 --> 02:26:06.159 through ninety six, he was so fucking stale. 2837 02:26:07.799 --> 02:26:09.600 And that's part of the reason Sean was so despondent, 2838 02:26:09.600 --> 02:26:11.040 as he's talked about in his book and other things 2839 02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:14.079 about Kevin and Scott leaving, because they had built the 2840 02:26:14.120 --> 02:26:18.360 whole that they had established a way of running the WWF. 2841 02:26:18.399 --> 02:26:21.040 The clique did such that you know, they really found 2842 02:26:21.040 --> 02:26:23.200 ways to only work with each other, and if they 2843 02:26:23.239 --> 02:26:24.920 stepped out of that, it was for a very limited 2844 02:26:24.920 --> 02:26:27.239 period of time and they eventually through some kind of 2845 02:26:27.239 --> 02:26:29.479 fit like a Dean Douglas or something. You know, it 2846 02:26:29.559 --> 02:26:31.920 just didn't It never worked out unless they were working 2847 02:26:31.920 --> 02:26:34.159 against each other. And if they were working against each other, 2848 02:26:34.479 --> 02:26:36.120 they were motivated and it was all good in the 2849 02:26:36.120 --> 02:26:37.879 hood and it was good stuff. You know, they would 2850 02:26:37.920 --> 02:26:40.840 go out and really really try hard on promos and matches, 2851 02:26:41.239 --> 02:26:42.639 and I think Sean could have had that kind of 2852 02:26:42.680 --> 02:26:45.239 ninety six if those two guys were there, But without them, 2853 02:26:45.280 --> 02:26:47.680 all of a sudden, he's casting about trying to find 2854 02:26:47.680 --> 02:26:49.680 people to work with. You know, Davy is someone he 2855 02:26:49.799 --> 02:26:53.000 was close with, in particular, someone he could score drugs 2856 02:26:53.040 --> 02:26:54.399 with back in the day. I remember Davy was the 2857 02:26:54.399 --> 02:26:55.719 one who was there when he got beat up by 2858 02:26:55.719 --> 02:26:58.639 the Marines. Not not Hollan Nash they were overseas at 2859 02:26:58.639 --> 02:27:01.319 the time, or even Kid. You know, I'm not sure 2860 02:27:01.360 --> 02:27:02.719 he would have had a great program with one to 2861 02:27:02.799 --> 02:27:04.680 three Kid, but he was gone by the middle of 2862 02:27:04.760 --> 02:27:05.159 ninety six. 2863 02:27:05.360 --> 02:27:06.680 I'm sure would have been I'm sure would have been 2864 02:27:06.719 --> 02:27:09.920 good matches, yeah, but for sure again, but Kid was not. 2865 02:27:10.719 --> 02:27:14.399 I mean, Kid was nowhere near main event level, even 2866 02:27:14.440 --> 02:27:15.680 on his fucking best day. 2867 02:27:16.040 --> 02:27:18.040 So even if they were people, even like Vader, that 2868 02:27:18.079 --> 02:27:20.680 the fans could be led to care about, I think 2869 02:27:20.680 --> 02:27:23.920 it's I think Sean would admit that he wasn't. He 2870 02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:27.600 wasn't in the headspace to accept those guys as guys 2871 02:27:27.639 --> 02:27:30.719 he would really help elevate as much as he would 2872 02:27:30.760 --> 02:27:33.159 if it was his buddies working against him. You know, ye, 2873 02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:35.040 he was hitting a wall just as much as the 2874 02:27:35.079 --> 02:27:38.799 fans were in terms of perception. He was really doubting himself, 2875 02:27:38.879 --> 02:27:42.159 you know, throughout nineteen ninety six. Matt Anderson, thank you 2876 02:27:42.280 --> 02:27:44.680 very much for the pledge. You appreciate that. Chris writes 2877 02:27:44.719 --> 02:27:46.879 imagining the person who saw TLF winning the award for 2878 02:27:46.920 --> 02:27:49.760 Best Wrestling Podcast and hearing a thirty minute discussion on 2879 02:27:49.760 --> 02:27:53.200 breakfast sand which is you heard another one, and what 2880 02:27:53.239 --> 02:27:54.959 that person's reaction is, Now, I need to go get 2881 02:27:54.959 --> 02:27:56.760 some bagels to make a late dinner. See that's the 2882 02:27:56.760 --> 02:27:58.840 point that so what we're saying, that's it. That's it, 2883 02:27:59.479 --> 02:28:01.879 Chris Man. It's tip from my fellow Englishman. When making 2884 02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:04.959 yourself a breakfast bag at, get yourself a tiger stick 2885 02:28:05.000 --> 02:28:09.079 from Cyose Bakery. Slice it horizontal, remove the bread so 2886 02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:11.399 you're basically left with a crusty shell. Fill it with 2887 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:15.920 sausage and bacon. Less bread equals more pork. Complete game changer. 2888 02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:21.200 They know sausage over there. 2889 02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:26.200 They do. They do? Remember how remember how Subway used 2890 02:28:26.200 --> 02:28:29.159 to cut their sandwiches? No, remember that, you remember that 2891 02:28:29.319 --> 02:28:32.079 what they used to do? I don't know what happened, 2892 02:28:32.079 --> 02:28:33.920 Probably they're just like, all right, let's just fucking be 2893 02:28:34.000 --> 02:28:36.319 normal here. But what they used to do, instead of 2894 02:28:36.360 --> 02:28:38.760 slicing it down the middle like a normal fucking sandwich, 2895 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:41.600 what they would do is they'd cut the top offs 2896 02:28:42.120 --> 02:28:43.799 and they had like kind of like a they'd create 2897 02:28:43.920 --> 02:28:48.120 like a a valley of sorts where they'd kind of 2898 02:28:48.159 --> 02:28:50.840 stuff it in and then they'd put the cutout piece 2899 02:28:50.879 --> 02:28:54.040 on top. And it was a weird little thing, but 2900 02:28:54.079 --> 02:28:57.799 that was the subway side instead of cutting in. But 2901 02:28:57.840 --> 02:29:00.840 they create this like little hold wouldn't take out more 2902 02:29:00.840 --> 02:29:02.760 of the bread, but that's you know, it's not a 2903 02:29:02.799 --> 02:29:04.879 bad idea. You know, just pull out some of the 2904 02:29:05.479 --> 02:29:08.120 some of the bag at bread and just you have 2905 02:29:08.200 --> 02:29:13.719 more room and it kind of stores stores, you know, meat, eggs, cheeses, 2906 02:29:13.799 --> 02:29:17.200 whatever a lot better. Today it's a nice less gluten 2907 02:29:17.239 --> 02:29:19.360 option as well. Yeah, it's like a. 2908 02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:22.000 Big thing is like how can we people People know 2909 02:29:22.040 --> 02:29:24.040 bagels or some of the most delicious food in the world, 2910 02:29:24.079 --> 02:29:26.120 but there are people who just they can't They just 2911 02:29:26.239 --> 02:29:27.920 can't eat something that they think is going to make 2912 02:29:27.920 --> 02:29:30.000 them fat. They just can't do it. So we have 2913 02:29:30.040 --> 02:29:32.760 to find ways to make bagels without gluten, or we 2914 02:29:32.840 --> 02:29:34.479 have to scoop them out like we do in l A. 2915 02:29:34.639 --> 02:29:36.399 You know, like or you could, you know, you could 2916 02:29:36.440 --> 02:29:38.040 do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up 2917 02:29:38.040 --> 02:29:40.239 and stuck out eat your fucking bagel. 2918 02:29:40.600 --> 02:29:42.040 I don't know, man, It's like, if you have to 2919 02:29:42.079 --> 02:29:43.959 do that, you're acknowledging that, like. 2920 02:29:43.920 --> 02:29:47.479 They're the perfect food. So why are you fucking with it? If? 2921 02:29:47.600 --> 02:29:49.319 If I understand, you know, I know that people who 2922 02:29:49.319 --> 02:29:54.360 have gluten and I'm not excluding that, I'm not yeah, 2923 02:29:54.399 --> 02:29:56.280 I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fucking 2924 02:29:56.319 --> 02:29:59.920 idiots who who because I mean, I think I've even 2925 02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:01.959 too that it doesn't really actually it's not actually a 2926 02:30:02.000 --> 02:30:05.879 good diet to lose weight anyway, take out gluten. It's 2927 02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:07.959 like it's not necessarily one that works. 2928 02:30:08.319 --> 02:30:09.879 Just to wait, you know, if you think you've got 2929 02:30:09.920 --> 02:30:12.760 it to wait six months, right, someone will find a 2930 02:30:12.760 --> 02:30:15.360 way to make money off offering you the exact opposite advice. 2931 02:30:16.079 --> 02:30:18.959 And they will also be on steroids, by the way, Right, 2932 02:30:19.559 --> 02:30:20.360 it's not that complicated. 2933 02:30:20.360 --> 02:30:22.159 Everybody's on steroids. Everybody's on steroid. 2934 02:30:22.159 --> 02:30:25.200 Everybody you think you can look like it's on steroids. 2935 02:30:26.479 --> 02:30:29.680 That's trying to sell you. You know, sell you something 2936 02:30:29.719 --> 02:30:33.879 that's you know, the opposite or counterintuitive, you know, or 2937 02:30:33.959 --> 02:30:37.799 or highly complicated. Highly complicated, you're got to get up 2938 02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:40.200 at three thirty in the morning. It's like, okay, that's enough. 2939 02:30:40.239 --> 02:30:43.959 Thank you, Simon. I think he nails it. He says, 2940 02:30:44.000 --> 02:30:47.840 Sports podcast awards make a mistake letting the lapsed fan 2941 02:30:47.879 --> 02:30:51.440 and the debates. M Ain't that the truth? That it 2942 02:30:51.559 --> 02:30:53.040 better for us not even to put our name in 2943 02:30:53.040 --> 02:30:54.600 the hat, because you know what happens once we do. 2944 02:30:55.680 --> 02:30:58.360 Daniel James Dunn, thank you very much for your generous pledge. 2945 02:30:58.399 --> 02:31:03.559 We appreciate it. Brian writes to us, that's just I'm sorry, 2946 02:31:03.600 --> 02:31:06.000 it's Todd. Pardon me. He goes by Todd dear co 2947 02:31:06.159 --> 02:31:09.879 chairs after the last two TLF releases, mentioning the fabulous Mula. 2948 02:31:09.959 --> 02:31:11.559 I have to mention that here in the city she 2949 02:31:11.639 --> 02:31:14.040 lived in, she was a bit of a celebrity. The road, 2950 02:31:14.360 --> 02:31:16.879 of course, to which her home sat, was named in 2951 02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:19.920 her honor. Boss, have you ever seen Mula drive before? 2952 02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:23.280 That's a World Heritage site. Take a good look at it. 2953 02:31:23.760 --> 02:31:29.440 That and Fritz Lane right down in Dallas Lake Dallas. Yep, 2954 02:31:29.559 --> 02:31:31.760 that should be there. Since her death in twenty oh seven. 2955 02:31:31.879 --> 02:31:33.719 The property has passed through many hands until the house 2956 02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:36.360 burned down in twenty twenty one. The burnt remains are 2957 02:31:36.399 --> 02:31:39.319 still there. There's a local restaurant chain that displays her 2958 02:31:39.399 --> 02:31:41.479 WW book. The Fabulous Mulah first got us of the 2959 02:31:41.479 --> 02:31:44.120 squared circle in a display case but facing away from 2960 02:31:44.200 --> 02:31:44.920 general view. 2961 02:31:44.959 --> 02:31:48.000 That's pretty funny. Yeah, so that's a I can imagine that. 2962 02:31:48.120 --> 02:31:50.399 You know, a lot of shit comes out about her 2963 02:31:50.440 --> 02:31:52.319 and it's like, no, maybe we should you think that's 2964 02:31:52.360 --> 02:31:54.559 what it was. They downplayed it. Yeah, we should kind 2965 02:31:54.559 --> 02:31:56.600 of ma return this around a little bit so it's 2966 02:31:56.639 --> 02:31:58.360 not in public. 2967 02:31:58.760 --> 02:32:00.840 Was in Lapstom Todd, thank you for that one, Bud. 2968 02:32:01.280 --> 02:32:02.360 Wow, that's funny. 2969 02:32:02.440 --> 02:32:04.719 Chad Linquist, thank you for the increase in pledge show 2970 02:32:04.760 --> 02:32:08.959 and we deeply appreciate that and your support. Zach has 2971 02:32:09.000 --> 02:32:10.120 a whole Royal Rumble thing. 2972 02:32:10.159 --> 02:32:10.319 Man. 2973 02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:12.840 He was fired up and we didn't get it in 2974 02:32:12.879 --> 02:32:14.719 before he went. I hope he had a great time, 2975 02:32:15.399 --> 02:32:17.120 but he was headed to the Rumble this year and 2976 02:32:17.120 --> 02:32:19.319 he wanted Voss to let us know all about it. 2977 02:32:19.360 --> 02:32:21.200 Please take it away on behalf of all, right, Zach. 2978 02:32:21.040 --> 02:32:24.920 Here we go on behalf of Zack Holy shit, dear 2979 02:32:24.959 --> 02:32:27.680 co chairs, I'm very excited to let you guys know 2980 02:32:27.760 --> 02:32:29.479 that I am going to the Royal Rumble this year. Now, 2981 02:32:29.559 --> 02:32:31.559 normally I wouldn't send you something like this. I have 2982 02:32:32.319 --> 02:32:35.959 been to countless shows, just like the next fan, but 2983 02:32:36.079 --> 02:32:39.799 this is different. Ever since the moment I had become 2984 02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:43.399 a fan, I have been memorized, mesmerized by the Rumble, 2985 02:32:43.440 --> 02:32:45.399 just like UJP. The Royal Rumble nine ninety one was 2986 02:32:45.440 --> 02:32:48.079 the first show I had ever seen. I started watching 2987 02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:50.239 in ninety eight ninety nine as an eight year old, 2988 02:32:50.239 --> 02:32:52.959 but this was the first show I rented and saw 2989 02:32:53.840 --> 02:32:56.399 the love of Hulk Hogan and the artwork alone drew 2990 02:32:56.440 --> 02:32:59.120 me in. I mean, dude, the fact that you could 2991 02:32:59.239 --> 02:33:04.000 find fucking ninety one Rumble in ninety eighty nine is 2992 02:33:04.879 --> 02:33:08.920 actually real, absolutely yeah, because I remember it was not 2993 02:33:09.079 --> 02:33:11.959 easy to find older, not that I was looking for 2994 02:33:12.040 --> 02:33:15.440 him per se, because I was so like jaded and like, 2995 02:33:15.479 --> 02:33:16.959 oh no, I don't want that old shit, I want 2996 02:33:16.959 --> 02:33:20.399 them new, real stuff. Yep. But you know the fact 2997 02:33:20.399 --> 02:33:23.000 that you were able to find that is really remarking. 2998 02:33:23.159 --> 02:33:24.920 You had to find a video store that didn't really 2999 02:33:24.920 --> 02:33:27.280 turn inventory. They just kept stuff forever. 3000 02:33:27.639 --> 02:33:34.840 Yep, that's crazy. Uh. The lore of the Love of 3001 02:33:35.239 --> 02:33:37.280 the Lore, Law of Hogan and the artwork alone drew 3002 02:33:37.280 --> 02:33:39.600 me in one of the most underrated rumbles in history, 3003 02:33:39.600 --> 02:33:42.079 I agree. Even if Knobs was in the final three, 3004 02:33:42.360 --> 02:33:44.680 that show was the springboard to my fandom. It was 3005 02:33:44.719 --> 02:33:48.600 a renting spree for life from there. Next I went 3006 02:33:48.600 --> 02:33:51.239 into the eighty nine Rumble. I didn't know how to 3007 02:33:51.319 --> 02:33:53.879 duplicate tapes of the time. Then later it was pulled 3008 02:33:53.879 --> 02:33:56.120 from my video store due to being too old. I 3009 02:33:56.120 --> 02:33:58.840 guess yes, So it was all but a vague memory. 3010 02:33:58.879 --> 02:34:02.319 Mostly mostly just remember the unforgettable moment of Jake busting 3011 02:34:02.360 --> 02:34:07.239 out the snake on Andre, Brother, bust on your snake 3012 02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:12.040 on Andre? Dude? What cock dude Brother, seeing him terrified, 3013 02:34:12.600 --> 02:34:15.319 the epic start with acts and smash charting still to 3014 02:34:15.319 --> 02:34:17.600 this day, the greatest start to any rumble in history, 3015 02:34:17.959 --> 02:34:20.799 and seeing the boss Man for the first time, and 3016 02:34:20.879 --> 02:34:24.280 my five year old brother Nick saying that that was 3017 02:34:24.280 --> 02:34:28.319 his favorite because he was a policeman. From there it 3018 02:34:28.399 --> 02:34:31.360 was the ninety three to ninety four rumbles. Austin and 3019 02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:33.959 Hogan were my favorites at the time, but Brett quickly 3020 02:34:34.680 --> 02:34:39.280 rose up My rankings as I concurrently watched these old 3021 02:34:39.319 --> 02:34:42.360 tapes along with discovering Nitro and Raw. At the same time, 3022 02:34:42.559 --> 02:34:44.360 I got to watch my first live show at my 3023 02:34:44.440 --> 02:34:48.079 uncle's The Royal Rumble nineteen ninety nine. I was playing 3024 02:34:48.120 --> 02:34:50.719 with my cousin throughout the night, but I vividly remember 3025 02:34:50.920 --> 02:34:54.360 Mankind being thrown off the balcony by the rock under 3026 02:34:54.399 --> 02:34:57.440 the exploding entrance equipment. This was is one of my 3027 02:34:57.479 --> 02:35:00.680 favorite matches of all time. M full too. He loves 3028 02:35:00.680 --> 02:35:07.440 that match, loves that match so much. Right then, my 3029 02:35:07.520 --> 02:35:10.920 other family friend taped this along with sold Out ninety 3030 02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:14.559 nine for me. So this was the first pay per 3031 02:35:14.639 --> 02:35:17.079 view tape I ever owned. You guys know how that 3032 02:35:17.280 --> 02:35:19.760 is no matter how weird or bad the show is, 3033 02:35:19.879 --> 02:35:24.920 it's your show, right, I agree, I mean, listen, that's 3034 02:35:24.959 --> 02:35:28.639 the only that is the reason why I can love 3035 02:35:29.840 --> 02:35:32.840 an awful show at the ninety three Rol Rumble, because 3036 02:35:32.879 --> 02:35:35.079 that was my first ever pay per view and I 3037 02:35:35.600 --> 02:35:38.440 and I kept it that way like it was. I 3038 02:35:38.479 --> 02:35:42.479 didn't even ask right to buy like I was. So 3039 02:35:44.680 --> 02:35:48.680 I was so enamored by the idea of the Royal 3040 02:35:48.760 --> 02:35:53.120 Rumble that and I wanted to you know, I wanted 3041 02:35:53.200 --> 02:35:58.799 so badly to buy the ninety two Rumble, but I said, 3042 02:35:59.040 --> 02:36:02.000 I don't want another show, like I want my first 3043 02:36:02.079 --> 02:36:07.079 pay per view to be a Royal Rumble. And that's 3044 02:36:07.120 --> 02:36:11.959 what it was, and I'm okay with that. I like 3045 02:36:12.120 --> 02:36:15.440 that show, and to me, it is a It is 3046 02:36:15.479 --> 02:36:18.159 another tour de force performance by Bobby the Brainheenen and 3047 02:36:18.239 --> 02:36:24.520 that's all I need. No matter how weird about the 3048 02:36:24.559 --> 02:36:27.520 show is, it's your show. You may say Vince winning 3049 02:36:27.600 --> 02:36:29.600 was weak, but you have to admit it was a 3050 02:36:29.719 --> 02:36:33.680 very original idea, the ultimate swerve bro Austin and Vince 3051 02:36:33.719 --> 02:36:35.600 starting off the match fighting in the bathroom in the 3052 02:36:35.639 --> 02:36:38.040 middle of the match, then Vince winning. We all knew 3053 02:36:38.040 --> 02:36:40.159 it was a foregune conclusion. Austin was winning in main 3054 02:36:40.200 --> 02:36:46.760 eventing mania, Ah right, I know. It was like I 3055 02:36:46.799 --> 02:36:52.000 was like, there's no way he can't win. But how's he? 3056 02:36:52.239 --> 02:36:53.879 You know, are they really going to put a guy 3057 02:36:54.040 --> 02:36:56.440 over the Rumble three years in a row like that 3058 02:36:56.719 --> 02:37:00.360 never happened three years in a row. That's crazy talk. 3059 02:37:00.719 --> 02:37:03.680 That'd be something. I think it would have been something. Honestly, 3060 02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:05.120 I think that would have been a great idea actually, 3061 02:37:05.159 --> 02:37:07.959 But I mean, obviously you get a swear bro I understand. 3062 02:37:08.840 --> 02:37:11.319 Royal Robot two thousand was another early recording I owned 3063 02:37:11.440 --> 02:37:14.479 by my other U, my other uncle, with the beginning 3064 02:37:14.479 --> 02:37:17.200 of the tape showing an infomercial for five seconds saying 3065 02:37:17.559 --> 02:37:20.879 have you been called fat or fatty? Oh my god? What? 3066 02:37:23.000 --> 02:37:26.760 Oh man? I love those fucking like still even those 3067 02:37:26.799 --> 02:37:30.799 two thousand, late ninety barely two thousand like late nineties commercials, 3068 02:37:30.879 --> 02:37:36.040 just like so awful. Then it quickly cut to the show. 3069 02:37:36.719 --> 02:37:39.799 Fellow Laps fan Damien and I still laugh about this 3070 02:37:39.879 --> 02:37:42.280 to this day. It also had another one of my 3071 02:37:42.319 --> 02:37:45.600 favorite matches of all time, Cactus versus Triple H. I 3072 02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:48.159 went to a SmackDown in two thousand as well, the 3073 02:37:48.159 --> 02:37:50.120 first show I ever went to. I was there when 3074 02:37:50.120 --> 02:37:53.719 Mankind turned into Cactus Jack and beat Triple H's ass. 3075 02:37:54.280 --> 02:37:56.600 This moment played in the promo package at the Rumble, 3076 02:37:56.600 --> 02:37:59.760 and I would always say I was there. I also 3077 02:38:00.159 --> 02:38:02.959 bought the rock shirt that said layeth the smacketh down 3078 02:38:03.079 --> 02:38:06.120 on your candy ass. My mom was so pissed off, 3079 02:38:06.120 --> 02:38:08.159 pissed that my uncle let me buy this and made 3080 02:38:08.239 --> 02:38:12.799 him laminate black all over the word ass. I love that. 3081 02:38:13.559 --> 02:38:17.079 It's like my mom with the fucking James Bond have that. Nah, uh, 3082 02:38:17.120 --> 02:38:19.000 you're going to a Catholic school, No way you can 3083 02:38:19.040 --> 02:38:24.559 have that. Woman's took us hanging out there. I actually, 3084 02:38:24.639 --> 02:38:26.399 you know, I got you know what I used to like. 3085 02:38:26.440 --> 02:38:28.719 One of my favorite shirts that they would do was 3086 02:38:29.520 --> 02:38:33.159 whatever city they were going to, they would print rock 3087 02:38:33.239 --> 02:38:36.600 shirts that said finally the rock has come back too 3088 02:38:37.000 --> 02:38:38.559 on the front and on the back it was the 3089 02:38:38.559 --> 02:38:40.840 city that they were in, And so I liked that. 3090 02:38:40.920 --> 02:38:46.120 I mean, I got woolster, but like for the most 3091 02:38:46.200 --> 02:38:51.319 money making machine, it really was because like I was like, yeah, 3092 02:38:51.360 --> 02:38:53.600 I wish it was Boston, but we were in Worcester, 3093 02:38:53.840 --> 02:38:56.799 you know, Wasster Centrum after the two thousand and King 3094 02:38:56.840 --> 02:39:00.639 of the Ring. So that was that. And I remember 3095 02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:03.000 watching this show for the first time in the basement. 3096 02:39:03.440 --> 02:39:05.479 It was rare that my whole family would hang out 3097 02:39:05.520 --> 02:39:08.079 down there. It was a true I was a true 3098 02:39:08.120 --> 02:39:11.319 basement dweller. But we had our family computer down there, 3099 02:39:11.760 --> 02:39:15.479 the gateway two thousand. Holy shit, that's a computer if 3100 02:39:15.479 --> 02:39:18.600 I ever heard one. Old school. My parents happened to 3101 02:39:18.600 --> 02:39:22.200 be down there when the Bikini Contest came on because 3102 02:39:22.239 --> 02:39:25.000 it was the live recording. It showed May Young showing 3103 02:39:25.040 --> 02:39:29.760 her saggy tested with a good three second lag time 3104 02:39:29.840 --> 02:39:34.399 for the censor twice. My mom was like, what is this? 3105 02:39:35.280 --> 02:39:38.040 I was mortified. My mom didn't even let me watch 3106 02:39:38.120 --> 02:39:40.760 MTV because of the women in the music videos, so 3107 02:39:40.799 --> 02:39:43.399 I didn't know how she would react to this, But 3108 02:39:43.479 --> 02:39:46.319 for some reason, she just made a joke out of it, 3109 02:39:46.399 --> 02:39:49.520 bringing it up off and on for years to come. 3110 02:39:49.600 --> 02:39:52.040 She didn't ban my nine year old self at the 3111 02:39:52.040 --> 02:39:54.920 time for watching it. And of course the two thousand 3112 02:39:54.920 --> 02:39:57.440 and one Rumbled, my favorite of all time, Jeff and 3113 02:39:57.479 --> 02:40:00.639 Matt fighting in the beginning and Matt reacting a whole 3114 02:40:00.719 --> 02:40:04.079 two seconds after getting hit. I don't know that's funny. 3115 02:40:04.399 --> 02:40:06.920 I don't even remember that. Actually, the hardcore moments, the 3116 02:40:06.959 --> 02:40:09.000 star Power with some of my favorites of all time, 3117 02:40:09.079 --> 02:40:11.440 Stone Cold, the Rock of the Undertaker, and of course 3118 02:40:11.479 --> 02:40:14.719 the Man Austin winning for the third time. Needless to say, 3119 02:40:14.760 --> 02:40:17.559 the Royal Rumble, but I still hate the end. I 3120 02:40:17.559 --> 02:40:20.079 agree it could have been the greatest rumble of all time, 3121 02:40:21.440 --> 02:40:24.360 but that finished with him fucking using the chair over 3122 02:40:24.399 --> 02:40:27.440 and over and over again. I'm Caine, I hate that. Yeah, 3123 02:40:27.600 --> 02:40:30.600 like that, that's how he wins. He smashes a chair 3124 02:40:30.760 --> 02:40:33.559 over Caine's head and that's what dumps him over the 3125 02:40:33.559 --> 02:40:37.200 top rope. It's kind of goofy. I hate it. I 3126 02:40:37.239 --> 02:40:40.280 hate it. That's why I hate the ending of WrestleMania seventeen. 3127 02:40:40.639 --> 02:40:43.559 I hate the fact that he doesn't win with a 3128 02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:47.120 stunner that he fucking just uses. I know, storyline purposes, 3129 02:40:47.239 --> 02:40:53.479 great whatever, but yeah, that worked out. He sucks. Fucking sucks. 3130 02:40:54.639 --> 02:40:58.440 It's like that should have been, that should have been 3131 02:40:58.799 --> 02:41:05.600 really just unbelievable moments. But it's all. 3132 02:41:05.520 --> 02:41:08.440 Downhill from there. I mean, it was have zagged and 3133 02:41:08.479 --> 02:41:09.959 sometimes you can't recover from that. 3134 02:41:11.000 --> 02:41:15.920 Like that fucking idiot Austin paranoid is ship like calm down, 3135 02:41:16.559 --> 02:41:21.600 I know, like he stale. I can feel it. Yeah, 3136 02:41:21.680 --> 02:41:26.639 you know what. He fucking destroyed his own his own character. 3137 02:41:27.639 --> 02:41:32.120 He destroyed Steve Austin. Amazing. It's not talked about enough. 3138 02:41:32.799 --> 02:41:35.479 It isn't that he did it. Isn't that he did it, 3139 02:41:37.000 --> 02:41:39.760 because it was never the same after that, it was 3140 02:41:39.920 --> 02:41:40.440 never the same. 3141 02:41:40.559 --> 02:41:43.000 He had like five six more years left as that 3142 02:41:43.959 --> 02:41:46.319 Texas Texas rattlesnake that we all need kicking ass. 3143 02:41:46.360 --> 02:41:48.159 Oh yeah, he went back to it. You know that's 3144 02:41:48.159 --> 02:41:51.360 the proof, right, but it but you know what, it 3145 02:41:51.399 --> 02:41:53.799 wasn't the same. It wasn't By the time he came 3146 02:41:53.840 --> 02:41:56.559 back to it, he was like third from the top, right, 3147 02:41:56.959 --> 02:41:59.920 and then he's fucking mid caarting with with Scott Hall. 3148 02:42:02.120 --> 02:42:07.440 Yeah he I mean, what was I mean? I guess 3149 02:42:07.440 --> 02:42:09.440 the last show he made event it would have been 3150 02:42:11.399 --> 02:42:13.959 Survivor Series, right, he didn't made event another show after that? 3151 02:42:14.319 --> 02:42:17.399 Are you talking about two thousand versaries? That's where he 3152 02:42:17.440 --> 02:42:20.680 got hit by Rakishi series Versaries two thousand? 3153 02:42:21.360 --> 02:42:26.159 Yeah, the Winner take All if you consider him. 3154 02:42:26.680 --> 02:42:30.479 Oh no, he did. He did made event with with Jericho. 3155 02:42:30.639 --> 02:42:33.239 Jericho would have been the last one, no way out. 3156 02:42:33.479 --> 02:42:36.319 That would have been the last main event. Unreal. That's 3157 02:42:36.319 --> 02:42:43.639 crazy until WrestleMania with Kevin Owens made event at Night one. 3158 02:42:44.120 --> 02:42:50.520 Yeah he's a main event right, yeah, other rioter. I 3159 02:42:50.520 --> 02:42:52.159 needless to say that Roll Rumbo is my favorite show of 3160 02:42:52.159 --> 02:42:54.399 all time. The Rumble is wrestling for me. I used 3161 02:42:54.440 --> 02:42:57.040 to play every Rumble match in a row from ninety 3162 02:42:57.040 --> 02:42:59.280 one the earliest I had to whatever the current one 3163 02:42:59.360 --> 02:43:02.079 was in two thousands. I had other tapes, but these 3164 02:43:02.079 --> 02:43:04.559 were always the go tos YEP So with all the 3165 02:43:04.600 --> 02:43:07.799 anticipation leading up to this year's Rumble, you guys inspired 3166 02:43:07.840 --> 02:43:10.399 me to get hyped. I decided to create my own journey. 3167 02:43:10.399 --> 02:43:13.879 If you wheel, I'm playing every Rumble you guys have covered, 3168 02:43:13.879 --> 02:43:16.799 which is most of them, the only casts missing from 3169 02:43:16.799 --> 02:43:19.520 the laps timeline or eighty nine, ninety six, and ninety nine. 3170 02:43:20.120 --> 02:43:22.840 It's cool ninety six anymore, Yep, just eighty ninety's the 3171 02:43:22.879 --> 02:43:25.719 two Wow the decade there, eighty nine and ninety nine. 3172 02:43:26.159 --> 02:43:28.600 It's been cool to hear the progression and regression of 3173 02:43:28.600 --> 02:43:31.760 the Rumble match year by year and just really taking 3174 02:43:31.799 --> 02:43:34.200 it in and analyzing each year, and hearing you guys 3175 02:43:34.239 --> 02:43:37.799 talk about the lost rumbles from eighty seven, eighty eight, 3176 02:43:37.799 --> 02:43:40.479 and ninety four. I was actually able to track down 3177 02:43:40.520 --> 02:43:43.840 the full shows of both ninety four rumbles. In ninety four, 3178 02:43:44.920 --> 02:43:47.920 wait both, I don't understand that. Didn't they have house 3179 02:43:47.920 --> 02:43:50.719 show rumbles? Well? They did? What one? I think it 3180 02:43:50.799 --> 02:43:55.559 was a MSG where Owen Hart, Yeah, one, something like that. 3181 02:43:59.440 --> 02:44:02.920 I've only walked watched the match Owen won so far, 3182 02:44:03.040 --> 02:44:04.840 and I've got to say I love that match. I 3183 02:44:04.879 --> 02:44:07.360 think it's better than the actual ninety four Rouble Crush 3184 02:44:07.440 --> 02:44:10.000 being the diesel of the match. Then Owen comes out 3185 02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:12.360 and is the one to stand up to him. Then 3186 02:44:12.399 --> 02:44:14.360 Brett comes out and is able to save his brother 3187 02:44:14.440 --> 02:44:17.399 from being outnumbered by the heels. Plus you have the 3188 02:44:17.440 --> 02:44:21.319 great Michael's Jeannetti moment. Like the official ninety four Rumble, 3189 02:44:21.680 --> 02:44:24.120 I was also able to see that there was an 3190 02:44:24.159 --> 02:44:27.760 inkling of possibly the worst the first ever Royal Rubble 3191 02:44:27.840 --> 02:44:31.680 type match in nineteen seventy six, with the likes of 3192 02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:34.680 Kevin Sullivan, Bobo Brazil, Bruiser Brody, Stan Hanson and Chief 3193 02:44:34.760 --> 02:44:38.159 j Strongbow. The winner is not known, however, but the 3194 02:44:38.479 --> 02:44:42.399 show's flyer advertises battle Royal eighteen wrestlers two at a 3195 02:44:42.479 --> 02:44:46.639 time until we have a winner. Huh. Winner receives five 3196 02:44:46.680 --> 02:44:48.799 hundred dollars two at a time. Yeah, that's not even 3197 02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:52.520 timed intervals. That's one man has to be eliminated. Right. 3198 02:44:52.680 --> 02:44:55.879 That's interesting though, But it's kind of a similar format 3199 02:44:55.879 --> 02:44:56.200 in a way. 3200 02:44:56.200 --> 02:44:58.159 Should they try that one year, do away with a 3201 02:44:58.239 --> 02:44:59.719 countdown and just make it. 3202 02:44:59.600 --> 02:45:03.440 Never never never never no no no no no, come on, 3203 02:45:04.280 --> 02:45:07.920 you can't no no, they can do that for another show. Yeah, 3204 02:45:08.719 --> 02:45:10.600 you know, that would be an interesting anything that would 3205 02:45:10.600 --> 02:45:12.959 be the Saudi one. It's kind of like a gauntlet. 3206 02:45:13.000 --> 02:45:15.639 Yeah right, It's kind of like a gauntlet type match, 3207 02:45:15.799 --> 02:45:17.399 you know, but you throw them over the top rope. 3208 02:45:17.719 --> 02:45:21.200 I mean, be interesting for sure, but definitely not. You can't. 3209 02:45:20.879 --> 02:45:25.520 The countdown is key. Countdown is key for the format works. 3210 02:45:25.719 --> 02:45:28.799 Don't fuck it up the two times they've tried to 3211 02:45:28.879 --> 02:45:32.959 change it. They fucked it up when you when you 3212 02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:36.879 when you made it a minute, sucked when you added 3213 02:45:36.879 --> 02:45:42.319 forty wrestlers. It sucks down. Don't fucking touch it how 3214 02:45:42.399 --> 02:45:46.200 it goes. I also saw there was one in the 3215 02:45:46.319 --> 02:45:49.760 us W a h on January third, ninety six that 3216 02:45:49.879 --> 02:45:52.000 was won by Doug Gilbert and w House. 3217 02:45:52.200 --> 02:45:54.520 It's funny because we go on to cover Rumble ninety 3218 02:45:54.520 --> 02:45:56.079 six and we go on to cover that that actually 3219 02:45:56.120 --> 02:45:57.239 qualifies him for the rumble. 3220 02:45:58.000 --> 02:46:01.440 Yep, oh wow, that's right. That's right. 3221 02:46:01.520 --> 02:46:04.000 They had a pretty close working relationship with USWA at 3222 02:46:04.000 --> 02:46:04.360 the time. 3223 02:46:05.680 --> 02:46:09.159 And a WW house show on November twenty nine, ninety six, 3224 02:46:09.200 --> 02:46:12.479 which was a twenty man rumble in White Plains, New 3225 02:46:12.559 --> 02:46:15.360 York won by the Blue Chipper Rocky Maya Villa. Wow 3226 02:46:15.399 --> 02:46:16.879 did we talk about that? Now? I've never heard of 3227 02:46:16.920 --> 02:46:20.360 that before. I've never heard of that either. I had 3228 02:46:20.360 --> 02:46:23.200 no idea about the tag one on Raw in eighty 3229 02:46:23.239 --> 02:46:27.559 eight with Caine ninety eight with Cain and Mankind winning. 3230 02:46:27.639 --> 02:46:29.319 I don't remember that at all either. I don't remember 3231 02:46:29.360 --> 02:46:31.760 that that was the same night as the as the 3232 02:46:31.840 --> 02:46:34.159 Raw Tag Hell in a Cell match, which is crazy. 3233 02:46:34.559 --> 02:46:36.840 I also didn't know they had a five man rumble 3234 02:46:36.879 --> 02:46:39.879 on SmackDown in September ninety nine. I remember that, like 3235 02:46:39.920 --> 02:46:42.159 they've done like mini rumbles and stuff like that. I 3236 02:46:42.200 --> 02:46:47.440 know to do stuff. The journey also brought on another thing, 3237 02:46:47.639 --> 02:46:50.120 making my brother an official lapsed fan. He used to 3238 02:46:50.200 --> 02:46:52.079 watch shows and tapes back in the day with me, 3239 02:46:52.159 --> 02:46:54.719 but as adults, he only really had time to keep 3240 02:46:54.799 --> 02:46:57.799 up with current wrestling. It's on literally every day of 3241 02:46:57.840 --> 02:47:00.239 the week if you follow TNA and a W two. 3242 02:47:01.280 --> 02:47:03.239 He's going with me to the Rumble this year, so 3243 02:47:03.319 --> 02:47:06.000 I told him about the journey I was embarking on. 3244 02:47:06.120 --> 02:47:08.479 I have been bringing up the cast for years. He 3245 02:47:08.520 --> 02:47:10.479 gave it a chance years ago, but determined it was 3246 02:47:10.520 --> 02:47:15.120 too long and he lost interest. With all the crevices 3247 02:47:15.200 --> 02:47:19.719 you guys dive into with each show, it's the crevices 3248 02:47:20.920 --> 02:47:25.000 that matter yes, pal, I say that again. All right, 3249 02:47:25.399 --> 02:47:29.479 that's that's yeah. You try to block us from your crevis. 3250 02:47:29.840 --> 02:47:33.520 All right, again, we find we borrow in where Carpenter 3251 02:47:33.639 --> 02:47:37.280 fucking girling. All right, we find our spot, we borrow 3252 02:47:37.319 --> 02:47:42.959 in and we live in that. Take up all right, 3253 02:47:42.959 --> 02:47:47.680 take up residence in your anus. But this journey to 3254 02:47:47.719 --> 02:47:50.840 go along with going to the Rumble intrigued him, so 3255 02:47:50.879 --> 02:47:53.879 he's been listening almost every day. He is also making 3256 02:47:53.959 --> 02:47:57.079 time into his wrestling schedule to watch every Old Rumble show. 3257 02:47:57.120 --> 02:48:00.639 In sequence, I'm so proud going on the journey. I've 3258 02:48:00.639 --> 02:48:02.840 come to realize a few things. There is pretty much 3259 02:48:02.879 --> 02:48:05.079 always a random tag match on the show with people 3260 02:48:05.159 --> 02:48:08.879 not good enough to be in the Rumble. That's true. 3261 02:48:08.920 --> 02:48:13.399 That's true. The boss Man, for some reason, always has 3262 02:48:13.440 --> 02:48:16.520 a singles match ninety ninety one, ninety three nine. That 3263 02:48:16.639 --> 02:48:18.920 ninety three match with Bam Bam was actually a barn burner. 3264 02:48:18.959 --> 02:48:21.000 By the way, I agree. I think it's an underrated match. 3265 02:48:21.879 --> 02:48:24.639 He puts. He puts Bam Bam over Huge in his 3266 02:48:24.719 --> 02:48:29.479 little in his swan song out of the company, and 3267 02:48:29.520 --> 02:48:31.600 Matt got me thinking, who has the who has had 3268 02:48:31.600 --> 02:48:37.479 the most non Rumble matches at the Rumble Roman reigns, Undertaker, 3269 02:48:37.559 --> 02:48:40.760 Randy Orton and Triple H have had six. John Cena 3270 02:48:40.799 --> 02:48:44.639 and Kevin Owens this year have each have seven matches. 3271 02:48:45.079 --> 02:48:47.879 That's crazy to me, considering Ko only had the Universal 3272 02:48:47.920 --> 02:48:50.600 title for a cup of coffee. Some of these non 3273 02:48:50.680 --> 02:48:52.639 Rumble matches are some of the greatest and my most 3274 02:48:52.680 --> 02:48:56.600 favorite in the history of w Besides rock versus Mankind 3275 02:48:56.600 --> 02:48:59.680 Form nty nine and Triple H versus Cactus from two 3276 02:48:59.680 --> 02:49:02.399 thousand and I mentioned, it also has some other all 3277 02:49:02.440 --> 02:49:06.959 time classics Rockers versus or An Express ninety one yep, yep, great, 3278 02:49:07.159 --> 02:49:09.040 the opener of my life of wrestling. I mean, listen, 3279 02:49:09.239 --> 02:49:12.840 I'll never forget. I'll never forget because I'm sitting there, 3280 02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:17.680 you know the first time I rented that tape. Okay, 3281 02:49:17.840 --> 02:49:22.399 I rented that tape and I had my friends come 3282 02:49:22.440 --> 02:49:27.200 over and we watch it, and that is the opening match, 3283 02:49:27.319 --> 02:49:33.079 and we were fucking blown away by that match, Like 3284 02:49:34.559 --> 02:49:37.639 what the fuck? I mean listen, by that point, I 3285 02:49:38.159 --> 02:49:42.559 had I knew Pat Tanaka was a fucking jobber. I 3286 02:49:42.639 --> 02:49:46.959 knew Cato was a jobber. What business did they have 3287 02:49:48.040 --> 02:49:50.760 having a fucking match like that with the Rockers? Absolutely 3288 02:49:51.239 --> 02:49:55.120 who gave them the right to do that? So amazing 3289 02:49:56.000 --> 02:49:59.000 Jumping Bomb Angels versus the Glamour Girls I n. Eighty eight. Absolutely, 3290 02:49:59.000 --> 02:50:02.040 that is a that is great stuff, such a glorious 3291 02:50:02.120 --> 02:50:04.680 fucking Remember when we saw that for the first time 3292 02:50:04.760 --> 02:50:06.719 and we're like, what the fuck is this? Oh, they're 3293 02:50:06.719 --> 02:50:11.360 doing these moves in the WWF and Zerra Right Parties 3294 02:50:11.440 --> 02:50:15.559 versus Dudley's Tables match from two thousand, Triple H versus 3295 02:50:16.280 --> 02:50:18.520 versus Sean Michael's Last Man Standing in two thousand and four, 3296 02:50:18.959 --> 02:50:22.319 Sena versus Rollins versus Lesard twenty fifteen, Sena versus Styles 3297 02:50:22.360 --> 02:50:25.799 twenty seventeen, Brett and Owen versus the Quebecers in ninety four. 3298 02:50:26.680 --> 02:50:29.200 Even other matches I wouldn't consider great but are still 3299 02:50:29.200 --> 02:50:31.840 pretty damn good, like Brett versus Brett versus Razor is 3300 02:50:32.000 --> 02:50:35.079 way better than than bretton Owen versus Quebecers. I'm sorry, 3301 02:50:35.319 --> 02:50:40.440 I'm sorry. Yoko versus Taker Seiners versus Beverley's is awesome. 3302 02:50:40.479 --> 02:50:42.719 I love that one one of the greatest Frankensteiners of 3303 02:50:42.719 --> 02:50:44.559 all time. That's what I think of right away, as 3304 02:50:44.600 --> 02:50:47.159 him spiking him on his head. Yep, because like the 3305 02:50:47.520 --> 02:50:50.360 because you know, and I said this before, but what 3306 02:50:50.520 --> 02:50:55.760 makes it so great is is is youo somehow? I mean, 3307 02:50:56.000 --> 02:50:59.079 that's somehow. I mean, obviously there's something there is physics 3308 02:50:59.079 --> 02:51:02.399 here to work. But he he takes it, lands on 3309 02:51:02.440 --> 02:51:06.200 his head, but then like his shoulders go down and 3310 02:51:06.200 --> 02:51:10.559 then us that's been so fucking phenomenal Brett versus Diesel 3311 02:51:10.639 --> 02:51:14.000 and Sean versus Taker, and I hate to call it 3312 02:51:14.040 --> 02:51:16.479 a classic before it happens, but all signs point to 3313 02:51:16.600 --> 02:51:18.639 Kao versus Cody in the ladder match being a class 3314 02:51:18.680 --> 02:51:20.799 I don't remember. Was it good? 3315 02:51:20.959 --> 02:51:24.559 It probably cost him his career honestly, is he yea, 3316 02:51:24.680 --> 02:51:28.319 he he's out or Mania. He basically announced that he 3317 02:51:28.399 --> 02:51:30.079 might have a career ending injury to his neck. 3318 02:51:31.840 --> 02:51:35.840 No shit, wow, Codin, she better give him a fucking 3319 02:51:36.120 --> 02:51:39.000 Christians another guy that Ko made. 3320 02:51:40.159 --> 02:51:45.600 I mean it didn't make like single handedly, but you know, 3321 02:51:45.639 --> 02:51:48.879 put into a position to really stand out from everybody else. 3322 02:51:49.239 --> 02:51:52.959 Yep. But as far as the Rumbo match itself, eighty 3323 02:51:53.000 --> 02:51:54.639 nine to ninety four of the Golden years for me, 3324 02:51:54.719 --> 02:51:58.000 ninety five, ninety seven suck, ninety eight to two thousand 3325 02:51:58.159 --> 02:51:59.920 are decent. Two thousand and one two thousand and seven 3326 02:52:00.079 --> 02:52:05.719 are good great, good to great stuff dozand one and 3327 02:52:05.799 --> 02:52:07.319 two thousand and seven are great. I don't think I 3328 02:52:07.399 --> 02:52:11.079 liked much of the ones in between either. I think 3329 02:52:11.120 --> 02:52:15.520 they are does dozend three is okay, doesn't four is good, 3330 02:52:17.360 --> 02:52:21.639 dosand five not good. Thousand and six is not good 3331 02:52:22.120 --> 02:52:24.559 mainly honestly, it could have been the greatest rumble of 3332 02:52:24.600 --> 02:52:27.280 all time if it wanted to be. But the problem 3333 02:52:27.440 --> 02:52:29.600 is it's in the middle of the show. It's even 3334 02:52:29.639 --> 02:52:32.040 worse than not going on last the middle of the shows. 3335 02:52:32.079 --> 02:52:33.719 That the year they had Angle and Mark Henry in 3336 02:52:33.760 --> 02:52:36.159 the end, yeah, because the and the reason they had 3337 02:52:36.159 --> 02:52:39.879 it was because they broke the fucking ring. Maybe don't 3338 02:52:39.879 --> 02:52:43.479 do that. Maybe that's at the end right one? That 3339 02:52:43.559 --> 02:52:46.040 year six that would have been that was Ray. It 3340 02:52:46.120 --> 02:52:48.000 was Ray mysterious. Oh yeah, to get the triple threat, 3341 02:52:48.079 --> 02:52:52.399 ye right right, Well, not yet. They were gonna he 3342 02:52:52.440 --> 02:52:54.840 was gonna lose. Was he was gonna lose the title 3343 02:52:54.840 --> 02:52:56.479 shot to Randy Yorton. They were they were obsessed with 3344 02:52:56.520 --> 02:52:59.319 Randy Yorton and they were gonna put him over no 3345 02:52:59.399 --> 02:53:01.799 matter what. But than the fans almost put him over. 3346 02:53:01.920 --> 02:53:05.200 Undertaker of the Year before to break the streak, right right, 3347 02:53:05.280 --> 02:53:07.559 that's right, that's right. And that's the only time I 3348 02:53:07.559 --> 02:53:10.000 ever thought they should have done it, that's true. The 3349 02:53:10.040 --> 02:53:12.840 only time it made sense I thought they should have 3350 02:53:12.879 --> 02:53:14.879 done it. Then I was like, you know, to me, 3351 02:53:15.280 --> 02:53:19.120 to me him, I actually thought that that that that 3352 02:53:19.120 --> 02:53:22.920 that Randy Yorton losing that match actually set him back 3353 02:53:23.159 --> 02:53:23.680 quite a bit. 3354 02:53:24.600 --> 02:53:27.399 And that was that was them saying, I'm they flirted 3355 02:53:27.399 --> 02:53:28.799 with the idea of putting him over, but he was 3356 02:53:28.799 --> 02:53:30.639 such a head case backstage at that point. He was 3357 02:53:30.680 --> 02:53:35.399 so pilled out, he was so rash and just acting 3358 02:53:35.520 --> 02:53:37.239 like incredibly immaturely on the road. 3359 02:53:37.280 --> 02:53:40.000 And is that when he was shitting in people's. 3360 02:53:39.639 --> 02:53:43.360 Bags, prone to fits of anger, and he was he 3361 02:53:43.440 --> 02:53:44.239 was high all the time. 3362 02:53:44.280 --> 02:53:44.760 It was bad. 3363 02:53:44.879 --> 02:53:47.159 They they they had a real problem on their hands 3364 02:53:47.159 --> 02:53:50.520 with him back then. M It's pretty funny how it 3365 02:53:50.520 --> 02:53:50.920 worked out. 3366 02:53:50.920 --> 02:54:01.120 But yeah, I know, right, that was pretty bad until 3367 02:54:01.159 --> 02:54:03.719 I would say the twenty eighteen Women's Rumble. That's not 3368 02:54:03.879 --> 02:54:05.159 the first one. Yeah, that was a good That was 3369 02:54:05.159 --> 02:54:08.040 a great rubble. Actually, I like that one. Some good 3370 02:54:08.040 --> 02:54:10.239 and bad ones after that. Twenty twenty was pretty great too. 3371 02:54:11.120 --> 02:54:14.120 That's the Lessenard thing. Yeah, lessner owning the first half, 3372 02:54:14.120 --> 02:54:16.200 with the star power at the end and the edge 3373 02:54:16.200 --> 02:54:18.719 return made it one of the few all timers from 3374 02:54:18.760 --> 02:54:21.159 this era. Yeah, okay, if you if you like that 3375 02:54:21.280 --> 02:54:23.440 kind of shit, sure, Yeah. I was reading the sport 3376 02:54:23.479 --> 02:54:28.360 ki the sport Keita sport Keita what. Yeah, it's a website, oh, 3377 02:54:28.479 --> 02:54:30.639 ranking of the greatest rumbles of all time, and they 3378 02:54:30.639 --> 02:54:34.520 put ninety two number nine and twenty twenty number one. 3379 02:54:34.639 --> 02:54:39.440 What that is bullsh that that's written by fucking idiots, 3380 02:54:39.479 --> 02:54:42.239 fucking fucking idiots who probably never even watched the fucking 3381 02:54:42.280 --> 02:54:46.120 ninety two rumble, And I thought that was just absurd, 3382 02:54:46.600 --> 02:54:49.360 Probably someone in their twenties ranking that shit. My favorite 3383 02:54:49.360 --> 02:54:51.159 is two thousand and one, but objectively, I would have 3384 02:54:51.159 --> 02:54:53.319 to put ninety two is the greatest of all time. Yeah, 3385 02:54:53.399 --> 02:54:55.159 I don't think it will ever be topped. But on 3386 02:54:55.200 --> 02:54:58.120 that note, what are your top guys, top five man 3387 02:54:58.719 --> 02:55:05.879 biased favorite rumble matches of all time? Ninety two, ninety one, 3388 02:55:06.559 --> 02:55:16.000 ninety I really like ninety seven. Actually I do like 3389 02:55:16.079 --> 02:55:18.440 ninety seven quite a bit. Oh you're crazy, I know. 3390 02:55:18.760 --> 02:55:20.719 I don't know why that floated into my mind, but 3391 02:55:21.280 --> 02:55:34.559 uh oh four oh one. I like, uh, I like 3392 02:55:34.639 --> 02:55:35.920 ninety M. 3393 02:55:37.040 --> 02:55:39.959 I would say ninety one is my all time favorite, 3394 02:55:39.959 --> 02:55:43.479 always will be. I'll never take that out. I think 3395 02:55:43.559 --> 02:55:47.600 ninety two is the best rumble, but still not my favorite. 3396 02:55:47.680 --> 02:55:50.879 But I put ninety two is number two. I would 3397 02:55:50.920 --> 02:56:02.920 put ninety as number three, I would put ninety three 3398 02:56:03.079 --> 02:56:06.520 is number four, and I would put two thousand and 3399 02:56:06.520 --> 02:56:09.840 seven is as number five. Ninety three. Wow, only because 3400 02:56:09.840 --> 02:56:11.239 it's just I got a love for it. I got 3401 02:56:11.280 --> 02:56:14.639 love for seven the best. He said favorites A dozen 3402 02:56:14.719 --> 02:56:16.840 seven is a great one. Forgot about seven is a 3403 02:56:16.840 --> 02:56:20.079 great one. Yeah, dozend seven has got the serious sea 3404 02:56:20.920 --> 02:56:23.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, where you don't know who's gonna win. 3405 02:56:24.120 --> 02:56:27.280 And it was fucking great. Yeah, it's true. I kind 3406 02:56:27.280 --> 02:56:29.360 of just discount a lot of the post two thousand, 3407 02:56:29.399 --> 02:56:35.159 onesousand and seven because it was also it was the 3408 02:56:35.200 --> 02:56:40.600 first time where where it didn't feel like it didn't 3409 02:56:40.639 --> 02:56:45.479 feel like guys are getting tossed left and right, like 3410 02:56:45.840 --> 02:56:48.319 people actually were there for a while, like you know, 3411 02:56:48.799 --> 02:56:54.440 after ninety three and ninety four. Actually really it started 3412 02:56:54.440 --> 02:56:58.239 in ninety five with the with the minute intervals were 3413 02:56:58.280 --> 02:57:00.559 now all of a sudden, everybody's just being cost like 3414 02:57:00.600 --> 02:57:03.239 there was just no, it didn't feel like people were 3415 02:57:03.239 --> 02:57:05.520 in there for a while except for the people who 3416 02:57:05.600 --> 02:57:07.040 were going to be in there for a while. It 3417 02:57:07.159 --> 02:57:11.040 just it didn't It didn't feel as spontaneous as as 3418 02:57:11.120 --> 02:57:13.360 as it did because it it felt like guys were 3419 02:57:13.360 --> 02:57:14.719 in there for a while and then they just get 3420 02:57:14.760 --> 02:57:16.639 tossed out and just like, oh wow, I can't believe 3421 02:57:16.639 --> 02:57:18.120 they were in there for that line. You know that 3422 02:57:18.120 --> 02:57:20.360 that guy, like by the fact it was Valentine in 3423 02:57:20.360 --> 02:57:27.799 there for forty five minutes, you know, Jesus Christ. So yeah, 3424 02:57:28.120 --> 02:57:30.000 in two thousand and seven was the first time where 3425 02:57:30.000 --> 02:57:34.200 I was like, this feels old school, Like it felt 3426 02:57:34.200 --> 02:57:35.959 like an old school rumble, And then it had that 3427 02:57:36.040 --> 02:57:40.319 crazy ass ten minute one on one thing that was 3428 02:57:40.840 --> 02:57:43.040 just unbelievable. Yeah, it's a great one. I should have 3429 02:57:43.040 --> 02:57:44.239 wound in there. Yeah. 3430 02:57:45.239 --> 02:57:47.719 I like the one with AJ and Diesel came back. 3431 02:57:47.760 --> 02:57:51.440 I like that one. I think that's fifteen that Roman 3432 02:57:51.479 --> 02:57:53.799 won that one, right or no he won and yeah 3433 02:57:53.799 --> 02:57:57.760 he won fifteen. Yeah, so that sucked, but I like 3434 02:57:58.559 --> 02:58:01.559 that felt very veentful that one. I feel like they 3435 02:58:01.600 --> 02:58:03.360 really pulled some rabbits out of the hat to make 3436 02:58:03.399 --> 02:58:06.719 the match, like really pop that first Woman's one. It's 3437 02:58:06.719 --> 02:58:10.000 good as the ones in recent years have all been good. 3438 02:58:10.000 --> 02:58:14.000 They've been you know, fun to watch, but they just 3439 02:58:14.200 --> 02:58:16.159 they fade, you know, the memory. 3440 02:58:16.280 --> 02:58:18.159 They don't write. That's the thing, Like, they don't they 3441 02:58:18.200 --> 02:58:19.040 don't stand out like. 3442 02:58:19.079 --> 02:58:21.760 The one this year seems so awesome when Jay won, 3443 02:58:22.280 --> 02:58:24.719 but now about two months later, I'm like, really, what 3444 02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:26.440 do I really remember about that? You know, I don't 3445 02:58:26.440 --> 02:58:28.920 remember anything about it, Drew getting pissed off that any 3446 02:58:29.040 --> 02:58:32.360 night got in the way, and these little like trivia 3447 02:58:32.440 --> 02:58:34.360 notes more than I don't. 3448 02:58:34.440 --> 02:58:37.239 Yeah, the thing, I don't remember a damn thing about 3449 02:58:37.280 --> 02:58:42.360 it all. I just remember, Yeah, but I can remember that. 3450 02:58:42.360 --> 02:58:44.479 That's part of what I'm what I think of is like, 3451 02:58:44.559 --> 02:58:49.040 what what rumbles can I really like? That have have 3452 02:58:49.200 --> 02:58:51.000 meant so much to me that I've watched them over 3453 02:58:51.040 --> 02:58:53.760 and over and over again. That's the only way I 3454 02:58:53.760 --> 02:58:56.760 can rate a well rumble. And again It's why crappy 3455 02:58:56.840 --> 02:59:00.639 rumble technically can like ninety three can be in my 3456 02:59:00.680 --> 02:59:03.319 top five because I've seen it so many times. I 3457 02:59:03.399 --> 02:59:08.479 know every single beast in that fucking match, and so 3458 02:59:08.680 --> 02:59:13.399 I'll always cherish it because it has it has a 3459 02:59:13.479 --> 02:59:16.879 fondness for me, so we close this one. The reason 3460 02:59:16.920 --> 02:59:19.079 I sent this email was to convey just how much 3461 02:59:19.120 --> 02:59:22.200 excitement I have being able to literally live out a 3462 02:59:22.239 --> 02:59:25.200 childhood dream. Just something as simple as being able to 3463 02:59:25.239 --> 02:59:27.920 count down from ten is going to be an amazing experience, 3464 02:59:28.319 --> 02:59:31.200 living the surprises in person, being a part of and 3465 02:59:31.239 --> 02:59:33.719 having genuine pops throughout the show, being able to see 3466 02:59:33.760 --> 02:59:36.920 another possible five star match in the annals of Rumble history, 3467 02:59:37.280 --> 02:59:39.200 I feel like I've relived the history with you guys. 3468 02:59:39.239 --> 02:59:41.319 I know these are some of your favorite shows too, 3469 02:59:41.559 --> 02:59:43.440 and now I will be a part of the history 3470 02:59:43.440 --> 02:59:45.600 of the Royal Rumble saying I was there in twenty 3471 02:59:45.680 --> 02:59:48.520 twenty five. Thank you for rumble Mania, thank you for 3472 02:59:48.840 --> 02:59:51.959 unknowingly giving me the evolution of the Rumble journey, and 3473 02:59:52.000 --> 02:59:54.159 thank you for giving me this outlet to speak my 3474 02:59:54.280 --> 02:59:55.479 excitement through. 3475 02:59:55.600 --> 02:59:58.559 Glad to do it, Zach, and we can identify because 3476 02:59:59.040 --> 03:00:01.760 I will say, of all the wrestling shows I've been 3477 03:00:01.799 --> 03:00:04.159 to go into that Rumble at O three, that was 3478 03:00:04.200 --> 03:00:06.559 like one of the most like flutter of my stomach 3479 03:00:06.600 --> 03:00:10.680 ones ever because yeah, you're about to participate in just 3480 03:00:10.719 --> 03:00:13.000 like he's saying, the countdown and all the special things 3481 03:00:13.000 --> 03:00:13.600 of a Rumble. 3482 03:00:14.079 --> 03:00:16.600 The only Rumble I've ever been to live. I think. 3483 03:00:17.120 --> 03:00:18.799 I don't think I've ever been in rub Yeah. 3484 03:00:18.639 --> 03:00:35.879 Me too, wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the 3485 03:00:35.920 --> 03:00:54.000 boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the 3486 03:00:54.120 --> 03:00:59.000 Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corn and JP Soro. 3487 03:00:59.440 --> 03:01:01.920 That's gonna go to just go to some of those, 3488 03:01:02.840 --> 03:01:05.000 I know. I mean, I guess they've never really been 3489 03:01:06.120 --> 03:01:09.639 close by. Not really, No, that's true, job they I mean, 3490 03:01:09.719 --> 03:01:11.920 I'm one. Last one they did in New York was 3491 03:01:11.920 --> 03:01:14.600 was it? It wasn't to us? And eight wasn't the 3492 03:01:14.680 --> 03:01:15.319 last one. 3493 03:01:16.120 --> 03:01:17.719 I think it was because they've been doing all these 3494 03:01:17.760 --> 03:01:21.399 stadium scale arenas now and they tend to do you know, 3495 03:01:21.520 --> 03:01:25.120 second tier cities for Rumble. It's a it's a you know, 3496 03:01:25.239 --> 03:01:27.319 a stadium show they can do without it having to 3497 03:01:27.360 --> 03:01:34.000 be a huge metropolitan area like Indianapolis and stuff. But yeah, 3498 03:01:34.040 --> 03:01:36.120 I can't think of the closest one to us when 3499 03:01:36.159 --> 03:01:38.280 it was. That's a great point. Maybe they did Philly. 3500 03:01:38.360 --> 03:01:41.000 I remember, I'll take a look here and say, yeah, 3501 03:01:41.040 --> 03:01:45.959 Philly was in twenty fifteen. I think yep, like Florida. 3502 03:01:45.559 --> 03:01:47.719 Never coming back to Providence again, they're never going to 3503 03:01:47.719 --> 03:01:52.000 be in Oh no, no, had those dis. 3504 03:01:50.840 --> 03:01:53.799 I mean yeah, especially you know they can't even do 3505 03:01:53.920 --> 03:01:57.280 a fucking stadium up here in the winter. It's true too, 3506 03:01:58.120 --> 03:02:01.680 you know. Yeah. The last that was close by so 3507 03:02:01.799 --> 03:02:05.559 like it was. Yeah, the last one that was close 3508 03:02:05.600 --> 03:02:10.360 by was twenty eighteen in Philly. Yeah, and that's not 3509 03:02:10.440 --> 03:02:14.280 really that close. That's kind of funny, like twenty to 3510 03:02:14.520 --> 03:02:19.239 twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen were both in uh in Philly. 3511 03:02:19.799 --> 03:02:20.479 That is funny. 3512 03:02:21.120 --> 03:02:22.840 It is funny now too that they're that they're all 3513 03:02:22.840 --> 03:02:26.840 about stadiums for the Royal Rumble, like we're never going 3514 03:02:26.879 --> 03:02:29.040 to get one of the East coast again, like the Northeast. 3515 03:02:29.079 --> 03:02:31.840 No ever, because we don't. We don't even have any 3516 03:02:31.959 --> 03:02:34.159 domed stadium. We would, if we write, if we had 3517 03:02:34.159 --> 03:02:38.360 a dome stadium, we could, but nope, we don't, So 3518 03:02:38.559 --> 03:02:38.920 fuck it. 3519 03:02:39.600 --> 03:02:39.760 Uh. 3520 03:02:40.520 --> 03:02:42.799 Joe Bernina, thank you so much for joining the moteeer. 3521 03:02:42.879 --> 03:02:45.319 My friend Tony Garvey, thank you so much for the pledge. 3522 03:02:45.319 --> 03:02:48.559 We deeply appreciated Christopher Wright. This was literally like watching 3523 03:02:48.559 --> 03:02:50.319 a rumble on the floor with my hasbros. You know 3524 03:02:50.360 --> 03:02:52.879 what he's talking about When he wrote that boss wrestle 3525 03:02:52.959 --> 03:02:55.399 Mamia to the nineteen ninety rumble. 3526 03:02:56.079 --> 03:02:59.920 Oh yes, Oh that's a long that's a long time coming. Yeah, 3527 03:03:00.239 --> 03:03:03.239 like watching her. You know, we watch him, We watch 3528 03:03:03.360 --> 03:03:08.040 I watched it. We watch it in preparation for you know, 3529 03:03:08.120 --> 03:03:10.399 I mean we've obviously watched it way in advance. But 3530 03:03:10.959 --> 03:03:14.319 I watch it every you know, right to the uh 3531 03:03:16.840 --> 03:03:18.799 you know when I'm watching, and I always put a 3532 03:03:18.840 --> 03:03:21.040 rumble right by the rumble, and I'm doing them in 3533 03:03:21.120 --> 03:03:22.559 order with my mom. Unbelievable. 3534 03:03:23.159 --> 03:03:25.520 Yeah, another reason to keep your eyes locked to wrestle 3535 03:03:25.520 --> 03:03:29.399 Momy revisit totally in the past versions of the upcoming show. Yeah, 3536 03:03:29.399 --> 03:03:31.200 he remembers his rumble on the floor with his Hasbros, 3537 03:03:31.200 --> 03:03:34.000 with his mom doing the ironing behind him, getting weirdly invested, 3538 03:03:34.000 --> 03:03:36.760 but constantly forgetting the one rule of the match. The 3539 03:03:36.799 --> 03:03:38.399 one rule of the match had to be reminded of 3540 03:03:39.600 --> 03:03:41.639 Todd Wright, still laughing from when a few entrants into 3541 03:03:41.639 --> 03:03:42.000 the match. 3542 03:03:42.319 --> 03:03:44.840 My fucking mom. My mom does the same thing, like 3543 03:03:45.000 --> 03:03:48.840 watching these matches with her now, she she cannot remember 3544 03:03:49.120 --> 03:03:51.319 that you have to be pinned on your back, right, 3545 03:03:51.920 --> 03:03:55.719 She says, Well, wait a minute, why isn't he Mom? 3546 03:03:55.799 --> 03:03:57.520 Is gonna be on his back and his shoulders aren't 3547 03:03:57.680 --> 03:04:01.280 not counting out like boxing, So why aren't they counting? 3548 03:04:02.479 --> 03:04:05.280 That's funny, she says that. But they do sometimes pretend 3549 03:04:05.319 --> 03:04:08.319 to have standing ten counts in wrestling, you know, we 3550 03:04:08.479 --> 03:04:10.440 do sometimes pretend that you only have ten seconds to 3551 03:04:10.479 --> 03:04:12.719 gheit to your feet. It's weird, I know, compending on the. 3552 03:04:12.680 --> 03:04:15.719 Match Todd on that same wrestle Mommy in nineteen ninety 3553 03:04:15.760 --> 03:04:18.120 Royal Rumble episode right, still laughing from when a few 3554 03:04:18.239 --> 03:04:20.000 entrants into the match, it is revealed it up until 3555 03:04:20.040 --> 03:04:22.319 that point your mother was under the impression that she 3556 03:04:22.399 --> 03:04:32.920 was watching the nineteen nineteen Royal Rumble. We got a 3557 03:04:32.920 --> 03:04:35.000 lot of great feedback on our interview with Brian Penry, 3558 03:04:35.399 --> 03:04:38.120 who was a creative consultant for Creative Director the first 3559 03:04:38.159 --> 03:04:40.559 one WW have had design the logo, all the rest. 3560 03:04:40.600 --> 03:04:42.200 You know, it's in the archives. If you skipped the 3561 03:04:42.239 --> 03:04:45.319 shame on you. It's really relevatory and such a great 3562 03:04:45.559 --> 03:04:47.680 kind of download of a unique vantage point on a 3563 03:04:47.760 --> 03:04:50.639 Vince McMahon that's coming into his own and realizing all 3564 03:04:50.639 --> 03:04:53.600 these licensing opportunities, in these NBC opportunities and becoming a 3565 03:04:53.600 --> 03:04:57.239 different person than the guy Brian knew, starting very humbly 3566 03:04:57.280 --> 03:04:59.879 owning the Cape Cod Coliseum and getting started with Linda 3567 03:05:00.079 --> 03:05:02.600 with out really a pot to piss in, so to speak, 3568 03:05:03.040 --> 03:05:05.799 and slowly winning over his father and getting in control 3569 03:05:05.840 --> 03:05:07.920 of the company. But Andrew Key doing something that I 3570 03:05:07.920 --> 03:05:10.680 think is so important from that interview, he wrote, Vince's 3571 03:05:10.680 --> 03:05:13.719 failed construction companies and Linda forcing him to make amends 3572 03:05:13.719 --> 03:05:16.559 with his dad to get into the wrestling business explains 3573 03:05:16.559 --> 03:05:22.600 so much about that, It really does. And Brian's memory 3574 03:05:22.680 --> 03:05:24.760 of Vince, you know, after a hard day's work, saying, 3575 03:05:24.760 --> 03:05:26.760 you know what, it's time for a tall one. 3576 03:05:28.200 --> 03:05:30.680 I love That's That's still the greatest fucking ship. 3577 03:05:30.760 --> 03:05:33.399 Chris writes coach here, I don't know how you tracked 3578 03:05:33.399 --> 03:05:36.200 down Brian Penry, but this was a first ballot TLFX 3579 03:05:36.200 --> 03:05:38.280 Hall of Famer. Imagine living in a world we're moving 3580 03:05:38.319 --> 03:05:42.079 down a Manhattan's mowing down rather a Manhattan squeegee guy 3581 03:05:42.200 --> 03:05:47.159 is the rational alternative to returning Vince his defaced Lincoln Continental. Yeah, 3582 03:05:47.159 --> 03:05:49.399 the phenomenal. Yeah, that's a great story. He tells of 3583 03:05:49.719 --> 03:05:53.559 being responsible for Vince's Lincoln Continental once and you. 3584 03:05:53.520 --> 03:05:55.639 Know, are you ready for someone by the way, this 3585 03:05:55.680 --> 03:05:57.799 is something I didn't fucking know. This is totally about 3586 03:05:57.799 --> 03:06:01.079 shorty rumbles here do you know that as of twenty 3587 03:06:01.200 --> 03:06:08.000 twenty three, As of twenty twenty three, the entry number 3588 03:06:08.079 --> 03:06:10.200 that has won the most Royal Rumbles It took until 3589 03:06:10.200 --> 03:06:12.479 twenty twenty three, by the way for this to happen 3590 03:06:13.879 --> 03:06:17.719 is number thirty. Oh my god, it's sypathetic. It kind 3591 03:06:17.719 --> 03:06:20.440 of is actually like bec is this year? Yeah, the 3592 03:06:20.479 --> 03:06:25.360 first one whoever won by No. No. Twenty twenty three 3593 03:06:25.479 --> 03:06:29.360 was Cody Codens to number thirty and then twenty twenty two, 3594 03:06:29.399 --> 03:06:31.399 twenty sixteen, two thousand and eight, two thousand and seven. 3595 03:06:31.719 --> 03:06:34.000 Like the fact that two thousand and seven the Undertaker 3596 03:06:34.040 --> 03:06:35.799 was the first one to win at number thirty is 3597 03:06:36.200 --> 03:06:42.959 also pathetic, right, you know that's advantage, Like, honestly, if 3598 03:06:43.239 --> 03:06:49.600 you know, to really set the thing going, it's John 3599 03:06:49.639 --> 03:06:51.760 Studd should have been number thirty in eighty nine. Yeah, 3600 03:06:53.600 --> 03:06:55.920 honestly that should have been the thing because that been 3601 03:06:56.000 --> 03:06:58.000 right there makes number thirty a. 3602 03:06:57.959 --> 03:06:59.680 Threat, protects the psychology of the match. 3603 03:07:00.159 --> 03:07:02.079 Yeah, if they had done it from the very beginning. 3604 03:07:02.120 --> 03:07:02.959 If they didn't, they. 3605 03:07:02.920 --> 03:07:05.000 Probably didn't even know how long it was going to go. 3606 03:07:05.120 --> 03:07:06.879 They probably didn't see it having the legs that did 3607 03:07:08.040 --> 03:07:10.280 to you know, book with well, yeah, six rumbles in 3608 03:07:10.280 --> 03:07:12.879 the future, you know, it'll be important to establish x 3609 03:07:12.959 --> 03:07:15.639 y Z. Steve Key did another great thing from the 3610 03:07:15.639 --> 03:07:18.079 Brian Penry interview. It was like he had just walked 3611 03:07:18.079 --> 03:07:20.319 off the plantation with a mint jewel up in his hand. 3612 03:07:21.040 --> 03:07:24.879 That is Brian Penry describing Jim Barnett, which was so 3613 03:07:24.959 --> 03:07:27.079 fun because it kind of felt like Brian forgot about 3614 03:07:27.159 --> 03:07:29.840 jim Zy until we mentioned him, brought him up, and 3615 03:07:29.840 --> 03:07:33.840 he said, oh my god, that guy. Tremendous to find 3616 03:07:33.840 --> 03:07:36.479 someone out in the wild who has these deep seated 3617 03:07:36.520 --> 03:07:39.760 memories of all these colorful, pivotal characters in the WWF 3618 03:07:39.879 --> 03:07:42.840 history and never apparently ever having an outlet to tell 3619 03:07:42.879 --> 03:07:45.479 these stories, you know, never having anyone ask him in 3620 03:07:45.479 --> 03:07:48.399 a way that activated his mind about all these people. 3621 03:07:48.440 --> 03:07:50.559 And it turns out he was like right there for 3622 03:07:51.399 --> 03:07:56.600 so many critical moments in time and decisions, and you know, 3623 03:07:56.639 --> 03:07:58.479 the kind of photo shoots that he went out and 3624 03:07:58.520 --> 03:08:01.079 did in the earliest days of promoting WrestleMania one just 3625 03:08:01.079 --> 03:08:04.159 just amazing, really really proud of that one. And Brian's 3626 03:08:04.159 --> 03:08:05.879 such a great guy. He's kept in touch with us. 3627 03:08:05.879 --> 03:08:09.040 He's even sent us some of his prints and stuff. 3628 03:08:09.079 --> 03:08:10.959 I hope some members of the Solar System were able 3629 03:08:11.000 --> 03:08:14.000 to meet up with him at the Connecticut con that 3630 03:08:14.040 --> 03:08:17.440 he was plugging on the interview. But a big ups 3631 03:08:17.479 --> 03:08:20.879 to that guy. Very glad to have made his acquaintance. 3632 03:08:21.040 --> 03:08:24.000 This phenomenal guy. Phenomenal absolutely spent. 3633 03:08:23.840 --> 03:08:26.120 A lot of time talking during the Saturday Night's Made 3634 03:08:26.120 --> 03:08:28.920 Event Episode one coverage that we did about the time 3635 03:08:28.959 --> 03:08:31.319 Hulk Cogan and Mister T hosted Saturday Night Live, thus 3636 03:08:31.360 --> 03:08:34.399 beginning in a lot of ways the NBC relationship before 3637 03:08:34.440 --> 03:08:37.360 WrestleMania won. A lot of digging as to why and 3638 03:08:37.399 --> 03:08:39.879 how they became hosts. Was the host in fact sick? 3639 03:08:40.040 --> 03:08:43.079 Was he not? Was there a writer's strike? Was there not? 3640 03:08:43.200 --> 03:08:45.559 What really factored in to putting Hulk Cogan in Mister 3641 03:08:45.559 --> 03:08:48.079 T in that coveted hosting spot in kind of an 3642 03:08:48.079 --> 03:08:50.760 impromptu fashion? Well, of course Tomasinasio did some digging. 3643 03:08:52.040 --> 03:08:53.079 He knows how to dig around. 3644 03:08:53.719 --> 03:08:55.399 One of the things he contributed, he said, that's interesting 3645 03:08:55.399 --> 03:08:57.479 considering the writer's strike was over by the nineteenth, so 3646 03:08:57.479 --> 03:08:59.000 he's writing, let me let me try to keep this 3647 03:08:59.040 --> 03:09:04.360 in order as I think, Corey. Yeah, Corey in Winnipeg wrote, 3648 03:09:04.440 --> 03:09:05.680 I had read that about a year and a half ago, 3649 03:09:05.760 --> 03:09:07.280 looking for info and why the host backed out. I 3650 03:09:07.280 --> 03:09:09.879 can't call the specifics. The interview was not related to wrestling. Okay, 3651 03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:12.319 I'm losing the context here. Oh, he does say before 3652 03:09:12.319 --> 03:09:15.639 I forget the switch from Animation's Obsession, the original theme 3653 03:09:15.680 --> 03:09:17.520 song for Saturday Night's main event that we spent so 3654 03:09:17.600 --> 03:09:21.399 much time celebrating. He said, the switch from that to 3655 03:09:21.440 --> 03:09:24.040 the SNM a theme that we would later know Dent 3656 03:09:24.440 --> 03:09:30.319 Dent Tent. Yeah, was the main event Febry fifth, nineteen 3657 03:09:30.360 --> 03:09:30.760 eighty eight. 3658 03:09:31.159 --> 03:09:32.159 The oh wow is it? 3659 03:09:32.159 --> 03:09:34.879 That year's January Saturday It's main event still had the 3660 03:09:34.959 --> 03:09:37.239 an emotion song. So that's that's good. That's something we 3661 03:09:37.280 --> 03:09:41.920 were wondering aloud about and weren't quite sure how to take. Okay, 3662 03:09:42.000 --> 03:09:44.200 so back to this back and forth, and there's a 3663 03:09:44.200 --> 03:09:44.680 lot of it. 3664 03:09:47.200 --> 03:09:47.399 Yeah. 3665 03:09:47.399 --> 03:09:49.959 So Corey had written for Hogan and Tea hosting SNL. 3666 03:09:50.000 --> 03:09:52.040 The host didn't get sick. He pulled out of the 3667 03:09:52.040 --> 03:09:53.959 gig the week of the show because of an expected 3668 03:09:54.000 --> 03:09:56.600 writers strike. I see an expected writer strike. 3669 03:09:56.760 --> 03:09:57.040 Okay. 3670 03:09:57.639 --> 03:10:00.479 Steve Landsberg from the TV show, Bernie Miller was the 3671 03:10:00.479 --> 03:10:03.040 scheduled host. He still appears, that's right. We did establish 3672 03:10:03.120 --> 03:10:04.920 that and does a stand up bit on the show. 3673 03:10:05.319 --> 03:10:07.440 That's what struck us as weird. He wasn't sick. He 3674 03:10:07.479 --> 03:10:09.280 was on the show. Ultimately, he was on the show. 3675 03:10:11.079 --> 03:10:12.799 And we also noted this the show was the only 3676 03:10:12.799 --> 03:10:15.120 one that doesn't have a weekend update segment on it. 3677 03:10:16.280 --> 03:10:18.120 Wow. So somebody even. 3678 03:10:17.920 --> 03:10:20.600 Asked us on Patroon, would we ever just deep dive 3679 03:10:20.959 --> 03:10:23.360 the Hogan mister t Saturday Night Live. I don't know, 3680 03:10:23.440 --> 03:10:25.319 kind of seems like under the cinemat adjacent more than 3681 03:10:25.319 --> 03:10:26.040 the main show. 3682 03:10:25.799 --> 03:10:28.760 Worthy, but might have an idea. Yeah, that's something like 3683 03:10:28.879 --> 03:10:29.319 we could do. 3684 03:10:29.399 --> 03:10:31.719 So that's I consider it an attempt to kind of 3685 03:10:31.719 --> 03:10:36.040 set some things straight. But Tom wrote back a series 3686 03:10:36.120 --> 03:10:41.040 of findings. One of them was, let's see that's interesting, 3687 03:10:41.079 --> 03:10:43.440 he writes, considering the writer's strike was over by the nineteenth. 3688 03:10:43.479 --> 03:10:44.840 He was originally supposed to host the show on the 3689 03:10:44.879 --> 03:10:47.959 sixteenth Steve Landisburg, which was bumped because of the strike. 3690 03:10:48.000 --> 03:10:50.000 He pulled out of that one for sure. Okay, so 3691 03:10:50.079 --> 03:10:53.120 there was a Saturday Night's Live that Steve Landisburg pulled 3692 03:10:53.120 --> 03:10:55.000 out of but it wasn't the one that Hulk Cogan 3693 03:10:55.000 --> 03:10:57.520 and mister T ended up hosting. Now I get the confusion. 3694 03:10:58.319 --> 03:11:00.559 The thirtieth Hulkin T's episode, he writes, was supposed to 3695 03:11:00.600 --> 03:11:03.760 be a rerun. I see, I didn't know that. Really, 3696 03:11:03.799 --> 03:11:05.280 I think hulkon T were going to make an appearance 3697 03:11:05.280 --> 03:11:08.040 on the sixteenth. Tom writes, by the time the thirtieth 3698 03:11:08.040 --> 03:11:10.200 show came around, it looks like Landisburg had a conflict 3699 03:11:10.239 --> 03:11:12.600 and couldn't host, So really a lot of dumb luck. Yeah, 3700 03:11:12.600 --> 03:11:14.239 because he said something in the press that we read 3701 03:11:14.760 --> 03:11:16.639 about having to go to a family emergency or a 3702 03:11:16.639 --> 03:11:20.000 family related thing, like a right engagement of some type. 3703 03:11:20.040 --> 03:11:23.559 Maybe not an emergency, but an engagement. Yeah, by the 3704 03:11:23.559 --> 03:11:25.879 time the thirtieth show came around, it looks like Landisburg 3705 03:11:25.920 --> 03:11:28.120 had a conflict that to say, March third, thirtieth and 3706 03:11:28.159 --> 03:11:29.879 couldn't host. So really a lot of dumb luck went 3707 03:11:29.879 --> 03:11:31.799 into Hogan and Tea hosting the night before Mania. The 3708 03:11:31.840 --> 03:11:35.360 no weekend update segment is fascinating, though Downey seems to 3709 03:11:35.440 --> 03:11:37.399 have written on the thirtieth show, so not sure why 3710 03:11:37.479 --> 03:11:39.920 him and Chris Guest didn't write an update. Has to 3711 03:11:39.920 --> 03:11:42.280 have something to do with the strike, but lord knows 3712 03:11:42.319 --> 03:11:45.799 what he says. Tom says further to Steve Landisburg, it 3713 03:11:45.840 --> 03:11:47.000 looks like he had a conflict in the week of 3714 03:11:47.000 --> 03:11:49.399 the thirtieth and couldn't rehearse. But that was also during 3715 03:11:49.440 --> 03:11:51.399 a time they were using revolving guest hosts to give 3716 03:11:51.440 --> 03:11:54.360 the show more rhythm post Eddie Murphy. That's right now. 3717 03:11:54.360 --> 03:11:56.639 We talked about that too, so who knows. They easily 3718 03:11:56.639 --> 03:11:58.280 could have slotted someone else in. It doesn't look like 3719 03:11:58.399 --> 03:12:01.719 Landisburg was specifically bumped from Mania Saturday night's main event promotion, 3720 03:12:01.760 --> 03:12:03.959 but Eversall did make the call for Hogan and te 3721 03:12:04.000 --> 03:12:06.559 to host as opposed to using one of their old standbys. 3722 03:12:06.760 --> 03:12:08.879 So much dumb luck went into Mania one success. 3723 03:12:08.920 --> 03:12:10.760 It's just wild to think about. It's so true. 3724 03:12:10.799 --> 03:12:13.959 It's not just it's not just that they happened into 3725 03:12:14.000 --> 03:12:16.399 the celebrities, it's what the celebrities are able to do 3726 03:12:17.520 --> 03:12:20.479 with that time. Tom further writes a few notes on 3727 03:12:20.479 --> 03:12:23.000 eighty five TV. Dear co chairman, all the talk of 3728 03:12:23.040 --> 03:12:25.520 network TV history as my mind buzzing, But no one 3729 03:12:25.559 --> 03:12:27.520 needs to hear another long die tribe from me. Yes 3730 03:12:27.520 --> 03:12:29.760 they do about the mechanics of the TV business. So 3731 03:12:29.799 --> 03:12:31.360 I thought I'd just thrown a few quick notes. One 3732 03:12:31.600 --> 03:12:34.120 the reason why Vince couldn't mention Saturday Night's main event 3733 03:12:34.120 --> 03:12:36.040 on Tuesday Night Titans, Yeah, we talked about that. Why 3734 03:12:36.079 --> 03:12:39.799 is there no promotion for this huge NBC thing was 3735 03:12:39.879 --> 03:12:42.959 centered around the Time Inc. Paramount Co ownership of USA, 3736 03:12:43.159 --> 03:12:45.799 Time Inc. Had a strong standing policy that any promotion 3737 03:12:45.840 --> 03:12:48.200 of another network shows on USA had to involve a 3738 03:12:48.280 --> 03:12:52.040 quid pro quo. USA wanted TNT promoted on NBC in 3739 03:12:52.120 --> 03:12:54.680 exchange for USA promoting Saturday Night's main event. 3740 03:12:54.920 --> 03:12:55.639 That's not happening. 3741 03:12:56.520 --> 03:12:59.479 NBC's advertising team, already skeptical of wrestling's ability to draw 3742 03:12:59.479 --> 03:13:01.600 the eighteen to three before audience that NBC had built 3743 03:13:01.639 --> 03:13:04.440 their comeback on under Brandon Tartakoff, refused the deal, and 3744 03:13:04.479 --> 03:13:06.959 hence the first Saturday Night's main event wasn't advertised or 3745 03:13:06.959 --> 03:13:09.879 promoted on USA. It's great intel, and I trust that 3746 03:13:09.920 --> 03:13:13.719 it's sourced well too. NBC's local affiliates had an outsized 3747 03:13:13.760 --> 03:13:16.479 influence in NBC programming decisions and how they were promoted. Yes, 3748 03:13:16.479 --> 03:13:18.639 they've always heard this about NBC that, unlike the other 3749 03:13:18.680 --> 03:13:21.680 networks like Fox, NBC's local affiliates really have a lot 3750 03:13:21.680 --> 03:13:25.319 of power for some reason. They like I can straight 3751 03:13:25.399 --> 03:13:26.559 up say like I don't care what you want to 3752 03:13:26.559 --> 03:13:28.920 put in prime time, We're putting news, and you're just 3753 03:13:28.920 --> 03:13:32.479 going to have to find another way, whereas Fox can 3754 03:13:32.559 --> 03:13:34.600 force that and force the local news and the local 3755 03:13:34.639 --> 03:13:37.479 affiliates to do whatever they want. There's some imbalance in 3756 03:13:37.520 --> 03:13:42.319 the contractual language that NBC has visa the affiliates compared 3757 03:13:42.319 --> 03:13:46.079 to the other national networks. Anyway, in the late seventies 3758 03:13:46.079 --> 03:13:48.600 early eighties, he writes, during Fred Silderman's ill Faded Rain, 3759 03:13:49.000 --> 03:13:52.399 NBC lost local affiliates had an unprecedented rate, especially after 3760 03:13:52.479 --> 03:13:55.159 Jimmy Carter pulled Team USA out of the Moscow Olympics, 3761 03:13:55.479 --> 03:13:58.559 almost bankrupting NBC. Of course, we know the Olympics are 3762 03:13:58.600 --> 03:14:02.799 basically the heart of NBC's operation. That's where a lot 3763 03:14:02.840 --> 03:14:05.520 of the money is made is advertising against the Olympics. 3764 03:14:06.079 --> 03:14:09.079 When Silverman was finally ousted in eighty one, Grant Tinker 3765 03:14:09.120 --> 03:14:11.479 became chairman and CEO of the network and immediately went 3766 03:14:11.479 --> 03:14:15.280 to work wooing the affiliates back by offering unprecedented sweetheart deals. 3767 03:14:15.280 --> 03:14:18.000 See that's where it comes from right there, they're under pressure, 3768 03:14:18.360 --> 03:14:20.520 giving the affiliates a tremendous amount of freedom as to 3769 03:14:20.559 --> 03:14:23.440 how and what they promoted. This was an incredibly risky strategy, 3770 03:14:23.799 --> 03:14:26.360 as affiliates were more likely to see overnights and abandoned 3771 03:14:26.360 --> 03:14:29.280 shows faster than NBC wanted, and all likelihood it led 3772 03:14:29.319 --> 03:14:32.639 to the disastrous nineteen eighty three season, which saw none 3773 03:14:32.920 --> 03:14:35.639 of the nine new programs NBC had green Lip make 3774 03:14:35.680 --> 03:14:39.079 it to the second season, despite Tartakoff pre Wow President 3775 03:14:39.120 --> 03:14:42.799 of Entertainment Undertinker, pleading for patients. Yet it also helped 3776 03:14:43.079 --> 03:14:45.719 lead to NBC's turnaround the next season, as the affiliate 3777 03:14:45.760 --> 03:14:48.399 saw The Cosby Show as a hit before the network 3778 03:14:48.440 --> 03:14:50.959 execs and gave it twice the local advertising time that 3779 03:14:51.079 --> 03:14:53.719 NBC was giving it on their Holy owned stations. My 3780 03:14:53.760 --> 03:14:56.879 guess is NBC produced fifteen second, very cheap bumpers for 3781 03:14:56.959 --> 03:14:59.360 Saturday Night's made event, the ones on YouTube that you 3782 03:14:59.399 --> 03:15:02.079 played in the SA Enemy episode, but the affiliates had 3783 03:15:02.120 --> 03:15:04.440 carte blanche to advertise it any way they saw fit. 3784 03:15:05.120 --> 03:15:07.639 As I mentioned my last email, my uncle claims that 3785 03:15:07.680 --> 03:15:09.959 in Baltimore, Saturday Night's main event was promoted as a 3786 03:15:10.000 --> 03:15:13.680 mini WrestleMania. I think that was probably the case across 3787 03:15:13.680 --> 03:15:16.440 a WWF strongholds in the northeastern mid Atlantic and only 3788 03:15:16.479 --> 03:15:19.399 in the import affiliate cities like Saint Louis, Chicago, and Minneapolis, 3789 03:15:19.680 --> 03:15:21.680 in which wrestling was a known rating straw. It was 3790 03:15:21.719 --> 03:15:24.440 a safe way for NBC to dip their toe into 3791 03:15:24.440 --> 03:15:26.639 bringing wrestling back to network while also being able to 3792 03:15:26.680 --> 03:15:28.840 pull the plug if it was an abject failure. Yeah, 3793 03:15:28.879 --> 03:15:31.760 that's true too. Gee, by being an NBC there playing 3794 03:15:31.760 --> 03:15:33.959 a risky game of affiliates saying Nope, not on my 3795 03:15:34.040 --> 03:15:36.840 network wrestling. Are you fucking kidding me? 3796 03:15:38.559 --> 03:15:38.799 Three? 3797 03:15:38.840 --> 03:15:42.079 The articles you found mentioning Snemy potentially being a monthly 3798 03:15:42.200 --> 03:15:45.639 show indicate that the first episode was a variation of 3799 03:15:45.639 --> 03:15:49.399 a backdoor pilot. Backdoor pilots are usually spin offs of 3800 03:15:49.479 --> 03:15:52.840 existing shows, a bait and switch that uses a time slot. 3801 03:15:52.879 --> 03:15:56.239 We were We talked about this with something on Cinement 3802 03:15:56.280 --> 03:16:03.680 I don't remember h a reference to Twin Peaks. You, No, 3803 03:16:03.799 --> 03:16:06.040 it wasn't. I was thinking that might have been it, 3804 03:16:06.079 --> 03:16:08.959 but I don't think we did. I don't because the 3805 03:16:08.959 --> 03:16:16.799 the spin off for Sherylyn Fenn wasn't. Wasn't uh a 3806 03:16:16.840 --> 03:16:20.920 backdoor pilot, but I'm thinking actually Baywatch might have been it, 3807 03:16:20.959 --> 03:16:25.239 because I think I think there was a plan m 3808 03:16:26.440 --> 03:16:31.959 for Thunder and Paradise to a no no, Yeah, maybe 3809 03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:33.559 at some point Thunder Paris was going to be a 3810 03:16:33.559 --> 03:16:35.719 spin off. We're going to do a backdoor pilot or 3811 03:16:35.760 --> 03:16:38.879 something like that on inspired the show. For sure, I 3812 03:16:38.920 --> 03:16:40.760 forget about I forget how that all worked. I don't 3813 03:16:40.760 --> 03:16:43.799 remember some I know I've talked about backdoor pilots before. 3814 03:16:44.200 --> 03:16:48.200 Yeah, you're basically trying to saddle onto an existing hot against. 3815 03:16:49.600 --> 03:16:52.920 Well, what you're doing is you're you're putting you're basically 3816 03:16:53.000 --> 03:16:55.600 taking an episode of of a of a of a show, 3817 03:16:56.760 --> 03:17:03.360 and you're kind of instead of following with your normal characters, 3818 03:17:04.159 --> 03:17:07.639 like you'll introduce a new character in that episode and 3819 03:17:07.680 --> 03:17:10.120 that character will kind of take over that episode for 3820 03:17:10.200 --> 03:17:14.600 the last one left off right and then and then 3821 03:17:14.680 --> 03:17:16.920 that so that that kind of becomes what they call 3822 03:17:16.920 --> 03:17:20.239 a backdoor pilot, so that they've they've added it, They've 3823 03:17:20.559 --> 03:17:23.159 included it in an already existing show with the intention 3824 03:17:23.440 --> 03:17:27.079 of creating a different show. I love that. 3825 03:17:27.920 --> 03:17:30.200 N cis Tom Notes is the most recent example of 3826 03:17:30.239 --> 03:17:34.200 successful backdoor pilot, with CSI as the progenitor. SNME was 3827 03:17:34.239 --> 03:17:36.319 obviously not a spin off of Saturday Night Live, but 3828 03:17:36.360 --> 03:17:39.360 by marketing it is preempting SNL a reorn of SNL, since, 3829 03:17:39.680 --> 03:17:42.639 as the cast pointed out, SNL's season was already over. 3830 03:17:42.879 --> 03:17:45.399 It's clear that ever Saul was presenting SNME as a 3831 03:17:45.399 --> 03:17:48.879 potential monthly replacement for SNL, which wasn't officially even renewed 3832 03:17:48.920 --> 03:17:51.239 until Lord Michaels agreed to return. Although I have no 3833 03:17:51.319 --> 03:17:53.799 proof of this, SNME probably didn't end up with the 3834 03:17:53.799 --> 03:17:56.440 monthly time slot simply because it was wrestling. As Jack 3835 03:17:56.479 --> 03:17:59.280 pointed out, SMMME drew similar ratings to the faltering Saturday 3836 03:17:59.319 --> 03:18:01.440 Night Live and eighty forty five. But even with the 3837 03:18:01.479 --> 03:18:03.319 rock and wrestling connection and all the efforts to market 3838 03:18:03.360 --> 03:18:06.559 wrestling as an ironic postmodern reimagining of the every man 3839 03:18:06.600 --> 03:18:10.079 morality plays of the sixteenth century that the sophisticated and 3840 03:18:10.159 --> 03:18:13.760 unsophisticated audience could enjoy on different levels, and that's a 3841 03:18:13.760 --> 03:18:16.399 great description. It didn't fit NBC's idea of itself as 3842 03:18:16.399 --> 03:18:19.159 the producer of slick, fast paced, high concept dramas and 3843 03:18:19.239 --> 03:18:22.639 quick witted, sardonic with a heart sitcoms, making it the 3844 03:18:22.680 --> 03:18:25.600 go to network for yuppies. Despite Eversall's efforts, I doubt 3845 03:18:25.639 --> 03:18:28.879 he could convince Brendon Tartakoff's acolytes that were dominating the 3846 03:18:28.879 --> 03:18:30.920 network by the n of eighty five that wrestling fit 3847 03:18:30.959 --> 03:18:34.399 the network's sensibilities since still since wrestling made money and 3848 03:18:34.440 --> 03:18:36.120 no doubt was hot and never saw still had a 3849 03:18:36.159 --> 03:18:38.760 lot of jews, it kept SNMY earned its spot as 3850 03:18:38.799 --> 03:18:40.879 a special that could be relied on to maintain a 3851 03:18:40.879 --> 03:18:43.799 good portion of SNL's audience three or four times a year. 3852 03:18:44.159 --> 03:18:47.000 And for mister T and Hogan, hosting SNL is probably 3853 03:18:47.040 --> 03:18:50.200 the luckiest thing that ever happened to Vince. Not only 3854 03:18:50.200 --> 03:18:52.760 did I ever Saul probably agree to the appearances that 3855 03:18:52.799 --> 03:18:55.040 turned it into hosting because he knew SNMME he was 3856 03:18:55.040 --> 03:18:57.239 in the works. The March thirtieth episode was actually supposed 3857 03:18:57.280 --> 03:18:59.440 to be a rerun. The two weak writer strike of 3858 03:18:59.559 --> 03:19:03.040 nineteen March fifth to the nineteenth caused the scheduled March 3859 03:19:03.079 --> 03:19:05.879 sixteenth episode to get bumped. Had the March sixteenth SNL 3860 03:19:05.920 --> 03:19:08.360 gone forward, I don't know whether T and Hogan would 3861 03:19:08.360 --> 03:19:10.360 have been on the show or not, but it definitely 3862 03:19:10.399 --> 03:19:13.399 wouldn't have had the impact on WrestleMania the March thirtieth appearance, 3863 03:19:13.520 --> 03:19:15.040 Did I have a bunch of stuff? 3864 03:19:15.040 --> 03:19:15.520 I never saw this. 3865 03:19:15.559 --> 03:19:18.000 Incredibly interesting but a bit overrated career. But since this 3866 03:19:18.120 --> 03:19:20.440 is already too long, I will save that for another time. 3867 03:19:20.479 --> 03:19:22.920 Maybe they ever saw tribute. Yeah, he's gonna pass. He's 3868 03:19:22.920 --> 03:19:25.520 going to pass. Yeah, we gotta be ready to consider 3869 03:19:25.520 --> 03:19:28.520 what that would mean happen. Oh and for anyone who cares. 3870 03:19:28.520 --> 03:19:30.600 He adds that this info comes from a variety of sources. 3871 03:19:30.639 --> 03:19:32.559 I used to create lecture notes for one of the 3872 03:19:32.680 --> 03:19:35.040 entertainment history classes I taught back in the day. Fuck you, 3873 03:19:35.079 --> 03:19:38.840 I fucking bring it, Tom, Jesus christ Man. We have 3874 03:19:38.920 --> 03:19:43.479 the beneficiaries of the downstream intellect and the downstream or sources, 3875 03:19:43.520 --> 03:19:46.200 and life experiences and career experiences of our listeners. Yes, 3876 03:19:47.280 --> 03:19:51.719 they're all tributary, so this mighty fucking stream, he said. 3877 03:19:51.760 --> 03:19:53.319 I sent the sne to Me one episode to a 3878 03:19:53.360 --> 03:19:55.479 few old TV lifers who really loved it. Made them 3879 03:19:55.479 --> 03:19:57.479 nostalgic for the old days that indeed used to be 3880 03:19:57.479 --> 03:20:01.159 better yours and cinemania, Tom, that's right, it's good stuff. 3881 03:20:01.200 --> 03:20:08.479 Now you were in Semnia, Myermania. I want you to 3882 03:20:08.520 --> 03:20:11.879 take a look at what he sent us before I 3883 03:20:11.959 --> 03:20:16.520 read off the the email. The description here it is 3884 03:20:16.559 --> 03:20:20.959 a sight to behold. Tell the people, Tell the people. 3885 03:20:21.680 --> 03:20:25.920 Before I read the email, what you see, Dotter be 3886 03:20:25.959 --> 03:20:28.200 Frank Silva, You're almost there? 3887 03:20:29.959 --> 03:20:36.360 Wow, holy shit? What do you see? H Yeah, it 3888 03:20:36.479 --> 03:20:43.520 is a sch Mortgas board of of Mattel w what 3889 03:20:43.559 --> 03:20:45.760 it was this ninety seven? I guess huh, it's all 3890 03:20:45.840 --> 03:20:54.520 ninety seven guys with in the front. You got Psycho 3891 03:20:54.639 --> 03:21:01.280 sid with the ball water Yeah, pointing at sausage. 3892 03:21:01.440 --> 03:21:04.040 He's got a legit can of Vienna is set up 3893 03:21:04.120 --> 03:21:06.639 right in front of this parade, almost like a nineteen 3894 03:21:06.719 --> 03:21:08.440 ninety two Royal Rumble promotional poster. 3895 03:21:08.760 --> 03:21:12.719 Right, it's all ninety seven. You got the DX in 3896 03:21:12.760 --> 03:21:17.399 the back, triple h China HBK, even fucking insurance policy, 3897 03:21:17.479 --> 03:21:21.159 Rick Rude. You got the Heart Foundation on the right. 3898 03:21:21.280 --> 03:21:25.959 You got the three Faces of Foli. You got Taker Austin, Rocky, 3899 03:21:26.040 --> 03:21:28.600 my Via, the Sultan for fuck's sake, the Headbangers with 3900 03:21:28.639 --> 03:21:31.879 tag bells of the Nation, Domination and Vodder. That's a 3901 03:21:32.040 --> 03:21:34.959 that's a fucking that's hilarious. You're right. 3902 03:21:35.120 --> 03:21:37.120 I normally don't send the same stuff of emails. They 3903 03:21:37.120 --> 03:21:39.520 don't patroon boards Rex, But the look of pure disgust 3904 03:21:39.639 --> 03:21:41.719 my wife gave me when I bought this can of 3905 03:21:41.799 --> 03:21:44.760 Viennas for my ninety seven display made me even more 3906 03:21:44.760 --> 03:21:49.520 proud to be hashtag lapsed. Sincerely Meyermania, PS, Fox, Scott 3907 03:21:49.559 --> 03:21:51.879 Norton and Buff Bagwell sit in a can Viennas are 3908 03:21:51.879 --> 03:21:56.680 the real, vicious and delicious, incredible pictures, incredible scenes. We 3909 03:21:56.719 --> 03:21:58.200 should post time with the. 3910 03:21:58.200 --> 03:22:02.079 Episode that's that's really funny with the ball water water 3911 03:22:02.159 --> 03:22:04.360 truly special. Anonymous. 3912 03:22:04.520 --> 03:22:05.920 If you want to see the picture when you listen 3913 03:22:05.920 --> 03:22:07.760 to this episode and we forgot about it, which is likely, 3914 03:22:08.000 --> 03:22:10.079 just send us a message on X and we'll post 3915 03:22:10.079 --> 03:22:14.239 it anonymous as or maybe Meyer will. Eleven years into 3916 03:22:14.239 --> 03:22:16.559 the cast Anonymous rights and they got me dying laughing 3917 03:22:16.600 --> 03:22:20.639 at King Kong. Bundy hooked up to a feeding tube. 3918 03:22:21.559 --> 03:22:28.399 Chris Man, all that you got that episode? 3919 03:22:28.399 --> 03:22:28.760 Didn't you? 3920 03:22:29.600 --> 03:22:32.840 All that moisture? Chris says, that was always on SID? 3921 03:22:32.959 --> 03:22:34.479 What if it was Vienna juice? 3922 03:22:34.760 --> 03:22:39.159 Oh oh, listen, listen. I have no doubt that the 3923 03:22:39.760 --> 03:22:46.239 juices that flow from SID or Vienna come from Vienna, 3924 03:22:46.479 --> 03:22:48.680 or at least a VJ and baby oil mix just 3925 03:22:48.680 --> 03:22:53.239 to give it that very specific beating effect, that that salty, salty, 3926 03:22:53.440 --> 03:22:57.239 meaty beat. That's so nasty. 3927 03:22:56.760 --> 03:22:59.680 It is salty. So yeah, the beats of sweat on 3928 03:22:59.680 --> 03:23:01.120 Sid or salty age. 3929 03:23:01.520 --> 03:23:05.280 Yes, listen because you can see the like basically the 3930 03:23:05.360 --> 03:23:09.920 salt on its flesh. It's it's so rough. Oh you know, 3931 03:23:10.079 --> 03:23:13.440 it's so weathered, be so weather beaten. It's exactly right. 3932 03:23:13.639 --> 03:23:14.600 It's exactly right. 3933 03:23:15.520 --> 03:23:18.239 Amber saw under the Cinemat episode one thirty seven, Death 3934 03:23:18.239 --> 03:23:20.799 from Above speaking of Sid, and said, you know what, 3935 03:23:21.000 --> 03:23:24.879 just upgraded my pledged access this one. Very excited for 3936 03:23:24.920 --> 03:23:28.120 future discussions about bankers and tears as well. Oh I know, 3937 03:23:28.479 --> 03:23:31.319 oh my god, Oh that's one to see. As we 3938 03:23:31.399 --> 03:23:36.760 paid tribute to the short, short lived film career of Sydney, 3939 03:23:37.959 --> 03:23:42.000 Darren sent us something that kind of shocks the conscience 3940 03:23:42.040 --> 03:23:44.440 when you first see it. I'm gonna let you see 3941 03:23:44.479 --> 03:23:47.399 the picture, boss, and then tell the story. Yeah, you know, 3942 03:23:47.840 --> 03:23:51.600 it's not just wrestling analysis that we're looking for. Sometimes 3943 03:23:51.639 --> 03:23:55.239 we also get slices of life from our great listeners 3944 03:23:55.440 --> 03:23:57.840 in the mailbox. Take a look at Darren here fucking 3945 03:23:58.120 --> 03:24:01.040 tough time, Hey guys. He writes, you were talking about 3946 03:24:01.040 --> 03:24:03.159 taking a headbut on the Death from Above cast and 3947 03:24:03.200 --> 03:24:04.680 I had to share a couple of pictures of me 3948 03:24:04.719 --> 03:24:06.680 when I got busted open by running into the back 3949 03:24:06.719 --> 03:24:07.959 of someone else's head. 3950 03:24:07.760 --> 03:24:09.840 While playing oh shit. 3951 03:24:09.799 --> 03:24:13.239 Soccer, football whatever. It was such a weird sensation, but 3952 03:24:13.319 --> 03:24:15.920 I know sold it and felt like prime mcfoley. The 3953 03:24:15.959 --> 03:24:17.680 cut is on the right eyebrow. You can just about 3954 03:24:17.719 --> 03:24:18.239 make it out. 3955 03:24:18.440 --> 03:24:21.159 E c dub dub. 3956 03:24:21.280 --> 03:24:23.040 You ever been busted open like that? I have not, 3957 03:24:23.760 --> 03:24:30.040 h no, but I I did. Hi. 3958 03:24:30.559 --> 03:24:32.520 I was talking about when I, when I, when I 3959 03:24:32.639 --> 03:24:36.879 hit when I, when I kit nogging my you know, 3960 03:24:36.920 --> 03:24:41.000 with the but that was that was like right in 3961 03:24:41.040 --> 03:24:44.159 the middle of my face there, right between my brows. 3962 03:24:44.239 --> 03:24:47.319 I see. But the other time I ran headfirst into 3963 03:24:47.399 --> 03:24:50.680 somebody's skull. I was in I think it was in 3964 03:24:50.760 --> 03:24:55.040 third grade and it was gym class and I was 3965 03:24:55.159 --> 03:24:58.440 running and I just I was looking to my to 3966 03:24:58.520 --> 03:25:02.200 the side, and and then I turned forward again and 3967 03:25:02.239 --> 03:25:06.000 I ran face first into the kid's skull and I 3968 03:25:06.120 --> 03:25:12.159 broke my nose. Oh like I I hit him. And 3969 03:25:12.200 --> 03:25:14.239 then the next thing I knew, I was like on 3970 03:25:14.280 --> 03:25:16.120 the floor and I had, you know, it was like 3971 03:25:16.280 --> 03:25:18.360 in a movie where you you know, they had the 3972 03:25:18.399 --> 03:25:20.479 camera angle of somebody who's passed out and you've got 3973 03:25:20.760 --> 03:25:23.200 like a circle of people around you, like looking down 3974 03:25:23.200 --> 03:25:24.120 at you. That's what happened. 3975 03:25:24.159 --> 03:25:26.319 Yeah, that happened to me. But I didn't get busted open. 3976 03:25:26.319 --> 03:25:27.559 But I banged my head in a poll and the 3977 03:25:27.559 --> 03:25:28.360 recess one time. 3978 03:25:28.440 --> 03:25:30.280 Oh, and I was so. 3979 03:25:30.239 --> 03:25:32.520 Mad because people just okay, okay, okay, and it's like 3980 03:25:32.799 --> 03:25:35.399 you're putting more pressure on me to make you feel 3981 03:25:35.399 --> 03:25:38.639 like I'm okay than than just letting me be and 3982 03:25:38.680 --> 03:25:40.079 get over this, you know, and recovery. 3983 03:25:40.079 --> 03:25:40.920 I don't know what's going on. 3984 03:25:41.040 --> 03:25:44.159 I got knocked silly, Like right, I don't I'm not 3985 03:25:44.280 --> 03:25:47.959 worried right now about giving you the answer you're looking for. Yeah, Like, 3986 03:25:48.360 --> 03:25:50.440 was so pissed off that so many people were like, 3987 03:25:50.920 --> 03:25:52.959 oh talking to me at the same time as I 3988 03:25:53.000 --> 03:25:56.840 don't want anything to do with anybody right now. Absolutely, yeah, 3989 03:25:57.520 --> 03:25:59.799 I remember, like and they were and the gym teacher 3990 03:25:59.879 --> 03:26:01.360 was like talking about oh, yeah, you know, it's so 3991 03:26:01.399 --> 03:26:03.440 big deal. All they'll do is will just fucking you know, 3992 03:26:03.479 --> 03:26:06.000 they'll put your nose in advice and just fucking crack 3993 03:26:06.079 --> 03:26:06.319 it over. 3994 03:26:06.360 --> 03:26:08.399 I'm like, no, that sounds fine. You know, thank you. 3995 03:26:08.879 --> 03:26:11.959 I never got it fixed. You didn't know. I never did. Fascinating, 3996 03:26:12.079 --> 03:26:16.520 never did heal. Was no fucking way that I'm gonna 3997 03:26:16.520 --> 03:26:22.920 have someone fucking touch my nose in uh no way. 3998 03:26:22.879 --> 03:26:27.959 Like it like cracking a popsicle stick? Ship No so sinewy, 3999 03:26:28.799 --> 03:26:35.000 oh so much? Cracking so much like popping noises? Oh fuck? 4000 03:26:35.159 --> 03:26:40.000 Don't Brennan fucking Myers rights happy to be the person 4001 03:26:40.040 --> 03:26:42.319 who sent JP the pick of Jerry Lawler in the Bubbles. 4002 03:26:42.319 --> 03:26:44.200 I'm not sorry and we'll do it again. 4003 03:26:46.440 --> 03:26:51.000 Lawla in the bubbles? Remember that one that was a 4004 03:26:51.000 --> 03:26:52.879 bubble bath? What's the next email? 4005 03:26:54.040 --> 03:26:56.520 Ali says in retrospect, it would have made more sense 4006 03:26:56.559 --> 03:27:00.200 for sibbyan owner Mula to walk out to she Bop instead. 4007 03:26:59.920 --> 03:27:03.520 Of Wendy Richter. It's hard to argue that. Big ups 4008 03:27:03.559 --> 03:27:09.479 to Roberto for the place I forgot about fucking on 4009 03:27:09.920 --> 03:27:12.440 the city or the corner of the Westinghouse dryer. Is 4010 03:27:12.479 --> 03:27:26.040 that ship? Oh fuck sounds from Mula drive? Oh my god? 4011 03:27:29.680 --> 03:27:32.399 Yeah, we always know how how much it intensifies that 4012 03:27:32.440 --> 03:27:34.920 the experience and the sensation to scream my pussy in 4013 03:27:34.959 --> 03:27:43.559 the middle of it. Imagine, Matthew writes, after it. 4014 03:27:43.559 --> 03:27:50.639 By yourself like no one. Oh she's so old, So 4015 03:27:50.680 --> 03:27:56.559 she's been through so much trusty fucking fucking lakes like 4016 03:27:57.040 --> 03:27:58.319 oh flakes. 4017 03:27:58.000 --> 03:28:08.719 Oh fucking Marge Simpson's sister over here. Oh oh yeah, gross, 4018 03:28:09.520 --> 03:28:11.479 Matthew writes, after all these years, it was a tag 4019 03:28:11.520 --> 03:28:14.639 team called the Big Short with the Shareholder as they're finishing, move. 4020 03:28:16.200 --> 03:28:22.200 That makes Boss completely lose it. Oh God, so stupid. 4021 03:28:22.559 --> 03:28:24.520 Nicholas Moore, thank you for the pledge. Welcome to the 4022 03:28:24.600 --> 03:28:28.360 VIP circle, my friend. Yes, this is a big one. 4023 03:28:28.399 --> 03:28:29.840 We talked about the main event and I had this 4024 03:28:29.879 --> 03:28:32.840 feeling that it wasn't live. Remember this, Yes, it's like, 4025 03:28:32.959 --> 03:28:35.319 was the Hogan Andre match live? Why do I? 4026 03:28:35.319 --> 03:28:36.920 I messed up? It was live? 4027 03:28:37.120 --> 03:28:40.319 Of course the Friday night primetime ones were the Hogan 4028 03:28:40.399 --> 03:28:42.280 Savage one to set up Brus twenty five was live. 4029 03:28:42.559 --> 03:28:44.319 What I was remembering And I looked back on this 4030 03:28:45.239 --> 03:28:47.639 and Christopher knows because he says he was in attendance 4031 03:28:47.680 --> 03:28:50.760 at the Bradley Center in Milwaukee and he remembers Vince 4032 03:28:50.799 --> 03:28:52.959 exhorting the crowd to make as much noise as it 4033 03:28:52.959 --> 03:28:57.479 could as they counted down to going live on NBC. Yeah, 4034 03:28:57.520 --> 03:28:59.440 you don't do that unless you are alive. I guess 4035 03:29:00.920 --> 03:29:03.760 now what it was was it aired on a three 4036 03:29:03.799 --> 03:29:05.879 hour delay on the West coast, so it could air. 4037 03:29:05.719 --> 03:29:08.600 At eight PM. Oh sure, And a lot of the word. 4038 03:29:08.399 --> 03:29:10.639 Had traveled for people, you know that could pick up 4039 03:29:10.680 --> 03:29:14.520 the phone. It's hardcore wrestling fans found ways to know 4040 03:29:14.600 --> 03:29:16.719 what was about to happen. But further than that, there 4041 03:29:16.760 --> 03:29:18.440 was reporting earlier in the week and some of the 4042 03:29:18.479 --> 03:29:21.399 mainstream press, not just the wrestling newsletters, that andre was 4043 03:29:21.440 --> 03:29:23.639 going to go over for the title, and WWF did 4044 03:29:23.680 --> 03:29:26.559 not refute the reports. In fact, interestingly, they didn't even 4045 03:29:26.559 --> 03:29:28.159 freak out about him. They didn't even care about them. 4046 03:29:28.680 --> 03:29:30.799 Well because you know what that's actually going to get 4047 03:29:30.799 --> 03:29:33.799 people to tune in, right or because when you got 4048 03:29:34.079 --> 03:29:35.920 like Hogan been champion for. 4049 03:29:35.840 --> 03:29:37.799 Four years, to see how they're going to pull that off, 4050 03:29:37.959 --> 03:29:41.600 right exactly. That's an excellent point. I wonder if that 4051 03:29:41.639 --> 03:29:43.639 crossed their mind. But whatever the case, they were nonchalant 4052 03:29:43.680 --> 03:29:45.680 about it. And that's what it was. It was like 4053 03:29:46.040 --> 03:29:49.920 people went into that show knowing that Andrea was going 4054 03:29:50.000 --> 03:29:51.479 to win, That's what I was remembering, But they didn't 4055 03:29:51.520 --> 03:29:53.879 know he was going to win because the show had 4056 03:29:53.920 --> 03:29:55.120 been taped three days before. 4057 03:29:55.680 --> 03:29:56.920 You know what I mean, it was about to air. 4058 03:29:57.200 --> 03:29:59.440 That wasn't the case like the other Saturday It's made events, 4059 03:30:00.600 --> 03:30:02.920 Jeff writes, with Netflix, because of course, we go back 4060 03:30:02.959 --> 03:30:05.159 to our Netflix live call that kicked off twenty twenty 4061 03:30:05.159 --> 03:30:07.920 five here on on Patreon with Netflix one of the 4062 03:30:07.959 --> 03:30:09.799 most It used to be better parts of modern society, 4063 03:30:09.840 --> 03:30:12.600 he writes, his boardroom speak being part of every day vernacular. 4064 03:30:13.360 --> 03:30:16.760 Fans applauding to be part of a record gate, fans 4065 03:30:16.840 --> 03:30:20.120 cheering on the ratings points. You're not in a boardroom, 4066 03:30:20.280 --> 03:30:23.399 You're in sweatpants on Reddit. Stop living vicariously through the 4067 03:30:23.479 --> 03:30:24.520 company's analytics. 4068 03:30:24.520 --> 03:30:26.479 You're what are you talking about? He writes, like this 4069 03:30:27.120 --> 03:30:28.200 is great shit. 4070 03:30:29.200 --> 03:30:31.040 He says, laps fan stories that make me want to 4071 03:30:31.040 --> 03:30:34.200 cry one Mike Chris Van Eric two anytime they read 4072 03:30:34.239 --> 03:30:37.559 stories about eighty to nineties television, a time when the 4073 03:30:37.559 --> 03:30:40.479 networks created programming that we wanted to watch, not content 4074 03:30:40.639 --> 03:30:42.200 to trend and vanish a week later. 4075 03:30:42.719 --> 03:30:43.959 We didn't about content. 4076 03:30:45.239 --> 03:30:47.760 We didn't know how good we had it. Yes, the 4077 03:30:47.799 --> 03:30:50.000 best stuff is better, he writes, but day to day 4078 03:30:50.000 --> 03:30:52.639 programming back then was so much better and easier to access, 4079 03:30:52.879 --> 03:30:55.200 and just saying people were a lot more agreeable when 4080 03:30:56.159 --> 03:30:58.280 they had something to watch every night with little effort 4081 03:30:58.319 --> 03:31:02.319 required from the view that puts gets people agitated when 4082 03:31:02.319 --> 03:31:04.479 they got to do all this fucking work to find 4083 03:31:04.520 --> 03:31:08.079 something to watch. Sure, Marshall McDonald, thanks for your increase 4084 03:31:08.399 --> 03:31:11.600 in pledge. Further to the Netflix point, JW. Wright's of 4085 03:31:11.760 --> 03:31:15.360 streaming and archives, they threw everything they could at it 4086 03:31:15.479 --> 03:31:18.840 on that January what was generary third raw whenever the 4087 03:31:18.879 --> 03:31:20.239 Netflix one was was the sixth. 4088 03:31:20.239 --> 03:31:21.639 It was the sixth. That's right, January sixth. 4089 03:31:21.719 --> 03:31:23.959 I remember that they threw everything they could at it, 4090 03:31:24.000 --> 03:31:26.239 and it was the same remaining three million US marks 4091 03:31:26.280 --> 03:31:29.200 tuning in as much less than that. I'm not sure 4092 03:31:29.200 --> 03:31:31.680 if total minutes watched had been released, but expect some 4093 03:31:31.840 --> 03:31:35.159 unique and meaningless vanity metrics. He was right and irrelevant 4094 03:31:35.200 --> 03:31:36.559 exbot stats. 4095 03:31:38.000 --> 03:31:38.200 Once. 4096 03:31:38.239 --> 03:31:40.799 It's clearly the same sad remnant of two to three 4097 03:31:40.840 --> 03:31:43.000 million fans in the US who were willing to spend 4098 03:31:43.000 --> 03:31:47.440 time watching their bad live streaming sport simulation comedy sketch program. 4099 03:31:47.879 --> 03:31:50.520 Just like one point six million Network subscribers are two 4100 03:31:50.520 --> 03:31:52.440 million Fox viewers. It's not going to end up being 4101 03:31:52.440 --> 03:31:54.799 worth it to Netflix, and the Carnival will pull up 4102 03:31:54.840 --> 03:31:57.879 its stakes and head to the next platform archives. The 4103 03:31:57.920 --> 03:32:00.479 problems are demand driven. Was also a huge Jeff One 4104 03:32:00.479 --> 03:32:02.319 fan as a kid in the nineteen eighties. Until summer 4105 03:32:02.360 --> 03:32:05.559 twenty twenty two, you could see everything on archive dot org, 4106 03:32:06.079 --> 03:32:09.079 ESPN versions with commercials or without BBC, you name it. 4107 03:32:09.360 --> 03:32:11.600 Someone uploaded their vhss all the way back to nineteen 4108 03:32:11.639 --> 03:32:13.719 seventy eight. When the F one Network pulled the plug, 4109 03:32:13.760 --> 03:32:15.799 I was assured by fools that it didn't matter because 4110 03:32:15.799 --> 03:32:18.239 they too had an archive. They didn't they didn't have 4111 03:32:18.360 --> 03:32:21.840 shit ten minute recaps in race per season, whole seasons 4112 03:32:21.879 --> 03:32:23.959 covered in a forty five minute video. But the moronic 4113 03:32:23.959 --> 03:32:26.319 fans on social media will say with god like certainty 4114 03:32:26.399 --> 03:32:28.639 that the F one Network has an archive dating back 4115 03:32:28.680 --> 03:32:31.280 to all the past seasons. The people who pay the 4116 03:32:31.280 --> 03:32:34.719 most attention are massively outnumbered by people who think they 4117 03:32:34.719 --> 03:32:37.920 are paying attention but really aren't. They are about to 4118 03:32:37.959 --> 03:32:41.680 learn that lesson hard when it comes to the when 4119 03:32:41.719 --> 03:32:45.479 it comes to the past, let me tell you I'm worried. 4120 03:32:46.479 --> 03:32:49.000 Josh Rumbin, thank you very much for the pledge. Josh rumbin. 4121 03:32:49.040 --> 03:32:51.799 We appreciate it. Jordan Biddle, thank you so much for 4122 03:32:51.879 --> 03:32:55.840 your support on Patreon. JB is really feeling it, he says, 4123 03:32:55.879 --> 03:32:57.879 I'm not sure if this can be read on air, 4124 03:32:57.879 --> 03:33:00.159 but I would appreciate it. Hey, co chairs, forgive me 4125 03:33:00.200 --> 03:33:02.280 as I have sinned for far too long. I've been 4126 03:33:02.319 --> 03:33:04.440 listening to TLF as a free loading bitch, going back 4127 03:33:04.440 --> 03:33:05.920 to the Main's journey, and I have not offered my 4128 03:33:06.000 --> 03:33:08.959 pension that gives me penetration. That has now changed. I'm 4129 03:33:08.959 --> 03:33:11.360 happily in the twenty dollars tier for those who've taken 4130 03:33:11.360 --> 03:33:13.399 advantage of this amazing content. If you have not yet 4131 03:33:13.399 --> 03:33:16.440 given look yourself in the mirror and asked, why stop 4132 03:33:16.479 --> 03:33:18.520 being a bitch? Pay the men. Pay them not what 4133 03:33:18.559 --> 03:33:20.799 they deserve, but what they have earned. I won't take 4134 03:33:20.840 --> 03:33:22.639 up too much time, but really want to thank you guys. 4135 03:33:23.000 --> 03:33:25.760 Years ago, I was struggling to quit smoking. Driving is 4136 03:33:25.760 --> 03:33:28.280 always the hardest times. 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TF is there to help my smoking 4148 03:33:57.319 --> 03:33:59.920 urges in my extremely long daily commute. Not only do 4149 03:34:00.040 --> 03:34:02.520 I need TLF, but my mind, body, and soul does. 4150 03:34:02.600 --> 03:34:05.319 My health depends on TLF. Love you guys, and can't 4151 03:34:05.319 --> 03:34:06.840 wait to see what goodies you have in store for 4152 03:34:06.920 --> 03:34:10.000 my anal sphincter in twenty twenty five. Color equals money, 4153 03:34:10.040 --> 03:34:11.440 anal color equals TLF. 4154 03:34:11.559 --> 03:34:15.319 Money equals TLF. You're damn right, Jay, it's all, it's all, 4155 03:34:15.360 --> 03:34:16.159 it's all true. 4156 03:34:16.559 --> 03:34:19.200 We're glad to be of service, and we hope, hope 4157 03:34:19.200 --> 03:34:22.639 you're staying strong up in that twenty dollars tier GMB 4158 03:34:22.719 --> 03:34:24.719 eighty five. Thanks so much for your media increase in 4159 03:34:24.760 --> 03:34:27.760 pledge up to the mote tier. Not kidding around at all, 4160 03:34:29.120 --> 03:34:31.399 Corey so excited to see the Colisseum collection back in 4161 03:34:31.399 --> 03:34:33.879 twenty twenty five, It says, Bravo, this is what we 4162 03:34:33.920 --> 03:34:36.159 needed most excited I've been in a while for a show. 4163 03:34:36.239 --> 03:34:39.840 We'd need that sweet coliseum video action march this train 4164 03:34:39.959 --> 03:34:42.159 all the way to the best of the British Bulldog's tape. 4165 03:34:42.200 --> 03:34:44.079 He says, how far down the road is that one? 4166 03:34:44.079 --> 03:34:46.399 Boss? I don't even know. Let me see here. It's 4167 03:34:46.959 --> 03:34:49.479 it's not like two. I mean, well, it depends like 4168 03:34:50.040 --> 03:34:54.639 it's hard with these Colosseum tapes. Let me see video. Okay, 4169 03:34:54.879 --> 03:34:55.559 you're looking big. 4170 03:34:55.600 --> 03:34:58.479 Shout outs to Lucas Vincent for bumping up recently to 4171 03:34:58.520 --> 03:34:59.159 the EP tier. 4172 03:34:59.520 --> 03:35:05.239 Different way, but that's okay, here we go. Let's see here. 4173 03:35:06.120 --> 03:35:09.879 DT, thank you very much for your pledge. Kate, well, 4174 03:35:09.920 --> 03:35:11.680 thank you for your pledge in the ten dollars tier. 4175 03:35:11.719 --> 03:35:12.879 We deeply appreciate that. 4176 03:35:14.959 --> 03:35:18.799 It's not that fighting, really, Bridge Fox is number thirty 4177 03:35:19.000 --> 03:35:23.239 and what do we just do? We just best of 4178 03:35:23.360 --> 03:35:26.719 w's the best of seven? Right? Yeah? All right? So 4179 03:35:26.799 --> 03:35:29.840 then we at one, two, three, four, five, six more? 4180 03:35:29.959 --> 03:35:35.239 What's the next morning Ago? Next is ww's explosive TNT show. 4181 03:35:35.319 --> 03:35:38.440 Oh Jesus, that's a big one. That's a tasty one. 4182 03:35:38.600 --> 03:35:40.639 That's going to be very very interesting. I agree. 4183 03:35:41.040 --> 03:35:45.360 Team Janner writes, democracy gives people the illusion of choice. 4184 03:35:46.200 --> 03:35:48.159 The last Yes, the. 4185 03:35:48.239 --> 03:35:53.760 Lapsed will last forever. Graveyard Entertainment writes, greetings, co chairs 4186 03:35:53.799 --> 03:35:55.760 want to submit a request for Under the cinemat if 4187 03:35:55.799 --> 03:35:59.600 looks could kill starring Richard Greicho. Oh god, IM sure, 4188 03:35:59.639 --> 03:36:02.120 but any and connected for him? But Gabriel Anoir played 4189 03:36:02.120 --> 03:36:04.120 a role. And it was also Fiona on burn Notice, 4190 03:36:04.159 --> 03:36:06.840 which was paired with Raw on USA for years and 4191 03:36:06.840 --> 03:36:09.559 featured an episode with Big Show season five, episode four 4192 03:36:09.639 --> 03:36:12.600 doing scenes with Gabriel Andnoir. Could be more connections, but 4193 03:36:12.760 --> 03:36:14.239 that was the one I found that. I hope it 4194 03:36:14.319 --> 03:36:17.639 is enough, not even close to being a connection. Yeah, 4195 03:36:17.639 --> 03:36:21.079 that does Gabriel an war acting with someone's got to 4196 03:36:21.079 --> 03:36:21.840 be on wrestling. 4197 03:36:22.040 --> 03:36:25.399 Yes, that's what to be. Someone's got to be on wrestling. 4198 03:36:25.479 --> 03:36:28.719 They can't have interacted on a on a on a 4199 03:36:28.799 --> 03:36:33.000 show that isn't wrestling. I appreciate the effort. I'm not 4200 03:36:33.000 --> 03:36:36.760 trying to Oh yeah, I appreciate all effort, but they've 4201 03:36:36.799 --> 03:36:38.639 got to be. It's got to be a real. 4202 03:36:38.799 --> 03:36:41.000 Childhood favorite of his. So he's hoping against. 4203 03:36:40.680 --> 03:36:42.639 Hope, but I know I understand. Listen, you know what, 4204 03:36:42.680 --> 03:36:45.559 they probably there might be a one. I mean, because 4205 03:36:45.600 --> 03:36:49.159 to me that that's even It might as well have 4206 03:36:49.239 --> 03:36:51.079 been Richard Grieco being in the connection because he was 4207 03:36:51.120 --> 03:36:54.799 an almighty four with fucking Kevin Nash. You know that's 4208 03:36:54.799 --> 03:36:58.040 the same kind of connection and that that doesn't work. 4209 03:36:58.319 --> 03:37:00.920 But what's the name of the movie again? Oh? Man, 4210 03:37:00.959 --> 03:37:06.120 I just had it. I just lost it too. Uh, 4211 03:37:06.559 --> 03:37:14.159 let's see it is. Bear with me here for a second. Yeah, 4212 03:37:16.479 --> 03:37:23.159 the movie is If Looks Could Kill If looks I 4213 03:37:23.200 --> 03:37:27.280 feel like sounds familiar. Yeah, it does sound familiar. I'll 4214 03:37:27.280 --> 03:37:32.319 sign me one. Yeah, I'll see. I'll take a quick consideration. 4215 03:37:32.479 --> 03:37:32.680 Keep on. 4216 03:37:33.120 --> 03:37:34.840 Well, take a look Team Jenner. We need to thank 4217 03:37:34.879 --> 03:37:37.040 Team Jenner as well, not only for that democracy message 4218 03:37:37.040 --> 03:37:40.280 but a way to increase in pledge. We deeply appreciate that. 4219 03:37:41.239 --> 03:37:46.559 My friend Chris writes, let's see, uh, this is the 4220 03:37:46.559 --> 03:37:49.559 episodehere the chairman almost killed me. Okay, this is which one. 4221 03:37:49.920 --> 03:37:53.319 Let's see that could be any of the four hundred 4222 03:37:53.360 --> 03:37:55.479 fucking episodes that we've. 4223 03:37:55.280 --> 03:37:57.799 Done talking to our villains of the Squared Circle Coliseum 4224 03:37:57.840 --> 03:38:00.680 collection episode. Because what happened was this is the first 4225 03:38:00.680 --> 03:38:02.159 time on the bench press with a way I haven't 4226 03:38:02.159 --> 03:38:04.440 tried in years. Halfway through the second set, in the 4227 03:38:04.440 --> 03:38:07.520 exchange between Dick Eversoll and Vince goes like this, Dick, 4228 03:38:08.159 --> 03:38:12.000 this fucking guy over here, Vince George Steele, Do you 4229 03:38:12.000 --> 03:38:13.479 want me to call him this fucking guy? I can 4230 03:38:13.520 --> 03:38:19.440 do that, no problem. Not an exact transcript, Chris writes, 4231 03:38:19.600 --> 03:38:21.600 I was fighting for my life to keep the bar 4232 03:38:21.680 --> 03:38:24.280 bell from dropping on my throat because I was laughing 4233 03:38:24.280 --> 03:38:26.200 too hard while trying to rack the bar bell. Well, 4234 03:38:26.959 --> 03:38:30.079 be careful about operating heavy machinery with that cast buried 4235 03:38:30.079 --> 03:38:30.559 in your ass. 4236 03:38:30.600 --> 03:38:32.719 That's all I can say about that. Hey, listen, Yeah, 4237 03:38:32.840 --> 03:38:38.840 that we we when it comes to working out, we 4238 03:38:39.000 --> 03:38:41.040 strive as to fuck you up. 4239 03:38:41.680 --> 03:38:44.399 Christopher raises a sobering point, and we talked about it 4240 03:38:44.600 --> 03:38:47.040 when we did some Colisseum videos with so many guys 4241 03:38:47.040 --> 03:38:49.319 from the seventies on it. He writes, I wonder how 4242 03:38:49.319 --> 03:38:51.200 long it will be until every single person on a 4243 03:38:51.239 --> 03:38:52.760 show is also on the death toll. 4244 03:38:53.239 --> 03:38:56.920 Yeah, like a main It's gotta be like a like 4245 03:38:56.959 --> 03:39:02.200 a main show, like a night like an eighty show. 4246 03:39:02.680 --> 03:39:05.959 Can't be that far away from that. We'll be casting 4247 03:39:05.959 --> 03:39:07.440 when the day comes. I can feel it. 4248 03:39:07.520 --> 03:39:10.719 Yeah. I mean, you know, there will come a time 4249 03:39:10.760 --> 03:39:14.079 where there there will be a uh, you know, kind 4250 03:39:14.079 --> 03:39:21.520 of retroactively changing, you know, like if like Wrestlmingia too, 4251 03:39:21.600 --> 03:39:24.600 for example. I know has got so many fucking dead people. Yes, 4252 03:39:24.840 --> 03:39:28.680 and it's only obviously expanded since we did the show. 4253 03:39:29.239 --> 03:39:30.719 That's gonna be the thing is there's going to be 4254 03:39:30.840 --> 03:39:34.159 an older episode where everybody's going to be dead. Wow. 4255 03:39:35.319 --> 03:39:36.120 Get ready for it. 4256 03:39:36.159 --> 03:39:38.200 Bess says, I often think about that. Sadly, I think 4257 03:39:38.200 --> 03:39:39.799 by the end of the twenty twenties, no one from 4258 03:39:39.799 --> 03:39:42.760 the eighty four to eighty six era will be around anymore. 4259 03:39:43.600 --> 03:39:46.760 Think about that, Scott Gallagher, thank you very. 4260 03:39:46.719 --> 03:39:48.600 Much for that. I mean, I think I think Steamboat 4261 03:39:48.680 --> 03:39:50.000 is going to be around for a while. I think so. 4262 03:39:51.040 --> 03:39:55.399 I mean, is he any any health problems. I don't 4263 03:39:55.440 --> 03:39:57.360 think so, No, not that I've heard of. I think 4264 03:39:57.360 --> 03:39:59.559 he's all right. I think he's he's gonna be someone 4265 03:39:59.600 --> 03:40:04.040 who fucks it up for everybody. Yeah for sure. Yeah, yep, 4266 03:40:04.159 --> 03:40:08.440 that's a great point. You probably will do that. Yeah. 4267 03:40:09.040 --> 03:40:11.440 Tom had to write in this is a different Tom 4268 03:40:11.440 --> 03:40:14.319 the Lapse Litigator. Tom, here's co chairs. It's been a 4269 03:40:14.360 --> 03:40:18.479 while since I've sent a missive from the lapsed litigation department, 4270 03:40:18.879 --> 03:40:20.239 despite the fact that we've been in the. 4271 03:40:20.200 --> 03:40:24.159 Car from our legal department. Oh yeah, we've got lapsed legal. 4272 03:40:24.200 --> 03:40:25.440 That is the name of a TV show. 4273 03:40:25.479 --> 03:40:28.360 We've got that base covered. Not a fucking problem, not 4274 03:40:28.479 --> 03:40:32.120 a fucking problem. Yep, it's been a while since I've 4275 03:40:32.159 --> 03:40:34.840 sent a missive from the lapsed litigation department, despite the 4276 03:40:34.840 --> 03:40:36.520 fact that we've been in the court room with Terry 4277 03:40:36.520 --> 03:40:38.479 Funk and the Master and Ruler of the World, among 4278 03:40:38.520 --> 03:40:42.840 others lately. Yes, plenty of court filings to pull. Oh yes, 4279 03:40:43.120 --> 03:40:45.639 to be honest, Jack's legal analysis, he says, typically so good. 4280 03:40:45.680 --> 03:40:48.120 You can't really have me on on a retainer. You 4281 03:40:48.120 --> 03:40:50.200 don't really need to have me on retainer. Every time 4282 03:40:50.239 --> 03:40:51.639 I think there is a hole to be filled with 4283 03:40:51.639 --> 03:40:54.280 MA expertise, a few minutes later we've clarified the issues 4284 03:40:54.319 --> 03:40:56.600 and can move on to the good stuff. Today, I 4285 03:40:56.639 --> 03:40:58.840 wanted to write about something outside the scope of work. 4286 03:40:58.879 --> 03:41:01.479 I want to talk about the video store. 4287 03:41:01.920 --> 03:41:02.239 Mmmm. 4288 03:41:02.639 --> 03:41:04.159 You have waxed poetic and hit me right in the 4289 03:41:04.200 --> 03:41:06.360 nostalgia hole many many times when it comes to that 4290 03:41:06.440 --> 03:41:09.520 video store feeling, there really isn't much like it anymore. 4291 03:41:09.879 --> 03:41:13.479 Picture it. It's Friday evening, your little league game is 4292 03:41:13.520 --> 03:41:15.040 over and Dad has driven you to the mini mall. 4293 03:41:15.079 --> 03:41:17.319 On the way home, he parks the car and you 4294 03:41:17.319 --> 03:41:20.040 get out along summer light just giving way to dusk. 4295 03:41:21.600 --> 03:41:24.120 Oh man, you're getting me, you're getting me good right here, yep. 4296 03:41:24.440 --> 03:41:26.440 As you walk up the concrete steps to the elbow 4297 03:41:26.440 --> 03:41:29.120 shaped row of commercial properties, you pass the nail salon. 4298 03:41:29.319 --> 03:41:31.760 Not interested. The Chinese place is next, no things, the 4299 03:41:31.799 --> 03:41:35.479 dry cleaner's lame, the weird store with like beanie babies, 4300 03:41:35.479 --> 03:41:37.360 and I don't know, picture frames or something you never 4301 03:41:37.399 --> 03:41:40.479 even looked in the window. Then there it is the 4302 03:41:40.559 --> 03:41:43.440 video store. Dad tells you to go inside and figure 4303 03:41:43.440 --> 03:41:44.799 out what you want to rent this week. Then he 4304 03:41:44.840 --> 03:41:47.399 walks a few shops down to Brother's Pizza. He's going 4305 03:41:47.440 --> 03:41:49.840 to order two pies because at seven pm and he 4306 03:41:49.879 --> 03:41:52.000 worked all day and took your sorry ass to the 4307 03:41:52.000 --> 03:41:53.959 little league, and he'll be damned if he or the 4308 03:41:53.959 --> 03:41:56.719 missus is going to cook tonight. And Dad thinks, you 4309 03:41:56.719 --> 03:41:58.600 don't know, he's going to sneak a Marlboro or red 4310 03:41:58.639 --> 03:41:59.959 before he goes into the pizza shop. 4311 03:42:00.000 --> 03:42:02.239 Oh yeah, you know, you know what He's gonna smell 4312 03:42:02.239 --> 03:42:03.399 like when he fucking comes out. 4313 03:42:03.239 --> 03:42:05.479 Because he told everyone he quit again. But you know 4314 03:42:05.959 --> 03:42:07.639 you saw the pack in his shirt pocket when he 4315 03:42:07.639 --> 03:42:09.120 came out of the woah wah yesterday. 4316 03:42:09.159 --> 03:42:14.360 This makes this makes me think of the you've seen 4317 03:42:14.559 --> 03:42:18.000 the meme around that goes around with with an old 4318 03:42:18.159 --> 03:42:22.520 eighties Mel Gibson photo with long hair and he's smoking 4319 03:42:22.520 --> 03:42:26.200 a cigarette. Everyone told everyone people like that this is 4320 03:42:26.200 --> 03:42:29.799 what eighties moms looked like, or something like that. It's 4321 03:42:30.040 --> 03:42:32.239 no fucking great that it's awesome. 4322 03:42:32.639 --> 03:42:35.799 Yeah, and you know that smoke buys you a few minutes, 4323 03:42:35.840 --> 03:42:38.680 he says, that's right. The anticipation is overwhelming before you 4324 03:42:38.680 --> 03:42:41.200 even walk in the door. This is it all week 4325 03:42:41.239 --> 03:42:43.079 and long. Whatever you rent will be the focus of 4326 03:42:43.120 --> 03:42:46.559 your life. You got through school and sports and CCD 4327 03:42:46.680 --> 03:42:48.879 all week suffering because you don't control anything about what 4328 03:42:48.920 --> 03:42:51.680 you do day to day at this age except on Saturday, Saturday, 4329 03:42:52.959 --> 03:42:56.840 burly before mom and dad and watch whatever you rented 4330 03:42:56.879 --> 03:43:02.600 all morning long. Yep, Saturday is freedom. You walk into 4331 03:43:02.600 --> 03:43:05.319 the video store alone. You have no phone, Your dad 4332 03:43:05.360 --> 03:43:07.319 has no way to find you if you something goes wrong, 4333 03:43:07.799 --> 03:43:10.840 but you don't care. It's time to focus there are 4334 03:43:10.879 --> 03:43:12.959 only two sections that matter in this video store, the 4335 03:43:12.959 --> 03:43:14.840 cartoon section and the special interest section. 4336 03:43:15.079 --> 03:43:15.799 We know it. 4337 03:43:15.840 --> 03:43:18.399 Well, okay, that's not true, he says. You know, there's 4338 03:43:18.399 --> 03:43:20.399 a third section that matters. You know this because that 4339 03:43:20.520 --> 03:43:23.040 section is roped off from public access. You need to 4340 03:43:23.079 --> 03:43:24.360 be an adult to go back there. 4341 03:43:24.600 --> 03:43:28.040 You got to like, oh, man, the the the the 4342 03:43:29.920 --> 03:43:34.000 steak heart pounding, yes, oh, like a heart pounding when 4343 03:43:34.000 --> 03:43:37.319 I'm in there, and I know, like, I'm just I 4344 03:43:37.360 --> 03:43:39.239 just want to see if I can. You know, a 4345 03:43:39.319 --> 03:43:42.879 guy went back to put it away, and I'm like, oh, god, 4346 03:43:43.000 --> 03:43:45.600 just get a little peek. God, the heart is racist, 4347 03:43:45.600 --> 03:43:50.600 just to see, just to see the fucking covers, right, yeah, 4348 03:43:50.600 --> 03:43:53.079 because they were pretty graphic, man, of course they were. 4349 03:43:53.479 --> 03:43:54.040 It had to be. 4350 03:43:54.600 --> 03:43:57.239 Oh, you need to be an adult to go back there. 4351 03:43:57.239 --> 03:43:58.959 And you think maybe your dad did once, but you 4352 03:43:59.000 --> 03:44:01.159 weren't sure. That's action isn't for you, and you don't 4353 03:44:01.200 --> 03:44:02.840 know why. But the fact that you can't go back 4354 03:44:02.840 --> 03:44:05.280 there makes you desperately jealous of everyone who does. 4355 03:44:05.360 --> 03:44:07.200 I love the idea like that. You know, it's kind 4356 03:44:07.200 --> 03:44:11.600 of funny, the idea of of you know, the person 4357 03:44:11.600 --> 03:44:14.239 who goes back there, who just walks back there. I'm 4358 03:44:14.239 --> 03:44:15.760 gonna run born right. 4359 03:44:16.399 --> 03:44:18.559 Yeah, it's just a Saturday night, you know, Friday night. 4360 03:44:19.200 --> 03:44:21.520 Yeah, you know, I feel like jerking off tonight. 4361 03:44:21.319 --> 03:44:22.879 As in that long week of work and he goes 4362 03:44:22.920 --> 03:44:25.719 home and just beats off, but he has to go 4363 03:44:25.760 --> 03:44:26.719 to a video store first. 4364 03:44:26.799 --> 03:44:30.040 Yeah. Yeah, I gotta get some fucking you know, I 4365 03:44:30.159 --> 03:44:34.719 get something to kind of, you know, inspire me. 4366 03:44:34.840 --> 03:44:36.520 I bet even that guy longs for the days where 4367 03:44:36.520 --> 03:44:37.719 he had to put in a little bit of work 4368 03:44:37.760 --> 03:44:39.879 to get a nut. Of course, now it's like, okay, 4369 03:44:40.040 --> 03:44:43.000 just open the computer, like lower on my phone, like like. 4370 03:44:43.040 --> 03:44:44.920 You can fucking you can work and jerk off at 4371 03:44:44.920 --> 03:44:47.799 the same time. Believable. Forget that. 4372 03:44:48.799 --> 03:44:51.879 Tom says focus the cartoons are tempting. You could snatch 4373 03:44:51.920 --> 03:44:53.440 up G. I. Joe or he Man tapes and they're 4374 03:44:53.520 --> 03:44:56.719 clear clamshell cases. Those are easy watches, fun and breezy 4375 03:44:56.760 --> 03:44:59.319 and a guarantee. But damn it, you can't stop looking 4376 03:44:59.319 --> 03:45:01.879 at the special intro section. Why do they call it 4377 03:45:01.920 --> 03:45:05.159 that wrestling is a sport the best sport? Special interest 4378 03:45:05.479 --> 03:45:07.360 makes it feel like these tapes are somehow not cool. 4379 03:45:07.719 --> 03:45:09.760 If wrestling is in a sport, am I supposed to 4380 03:45:09.799 --> 03:45:13.120 like it. No, despite your misgivings, the box art grabs 4381 03:45:13.159 --> 03:45:15.440 your eye. One is Hulk Cogan and Andre the Giant 4382 03:45:15.479 --> 03:45:18.200 staring at each other. The artwork is dark and lonely 4383 03:45:18.239 --> 03:45:21.479 and seems old. That can't be good. You don't recognize 4384 03:45:21.479 --> 03:45:23.840 the wrestlers on the next one. No Hogan, no Warrior, 4385 03:45:23.879 --> 03:45:25.120 though one guy has face paint. 4386 03:45:25.120 --> 03:45:25.680 Nobody you know. 4387 03:45:26.360 --> 03:45:29.559 And then you see it, cartoon versions of every wrestler 4388 03:45:29.600 --> 03:45:32.639 you know, looking muscular and angry and ready to invade 4389 03:45:32.680 --> 03:45:36.840 your living room. There's like a hundred of them. It's 4390 03:45:36.920 --> 03:45:38.319 Royal Rumble nineteen ninety one. 4391 03:45:38.719 --> 03:45:49.000 Oh, don't even heavenly, you've rented it sixty times. Now 4392 03:45:49.040 --> 03:45:51.719 we're talking. Dad walks in. He's gonna get a movie 4393 03:45:51.719 --> 03:45:54.120 to watch with Mom later. You'd better hurry. The pressure mounts. 4394 03:45:54.159 --> 03:45:56.440 Dad see somebody he knows and stops to chat. That 4395 03:45:56.440 --> 03:45:58.440 gives you a moment. What to get. You've narrowed it 4396 03:45:58.479 --> 03:45:59.920 to like eight videos. But what if you picked the 4397 03:46:00.040 --> 03:46:01.680 one you haven't seen and it sucks? It would ruin 4398 03:46:01.719 --> 03:46:05.000 the only good four hours of your life. Yes, Dad 4399 03:46:05.040 --> 03:46:07.680 walks over, he's standing behind you. He doesn't say anything, 4400 03:46:07.760 --> 03:46:09.680 but you have a fucking movie. At for fuck's sake, 4401 03:46:09.799 --> 03:46:11.079 Jesus Christ, I want to get home. 4402 03:46:11.280 --> 03:46:13.719 You feel the pressure. The pizza will be ready soon. 4403 03:46:13.760 --> 03:46:17.159 And he's already holding whatever rom com mom demanded. You 4404 03:46:17.200 --> 03:46:19.680 reach out and grab a box. You hold it close 4405 03:46:19.719 --> 03:46:21.360 to your face with both hands, and spectcat. 4406 03:46:21.399 --> 03:46:24.280 Can we get when Harry met Sally? I haven't seen 4407 03:46:24.319 --> 03:46:27.239 We haven't seen that one. We keep talking about it, right, 4408 03:46:27.399 --> 03:46:30.559 we do, keep talking about it. We never rent that one. 4409 03:46:30.760 --> 03:46:35.120 I'll have what she's having, inspecting like it contains the 4410 03:46:35.159 --> 03:46:40.520 secret to world peace warrior check Hogan, check huge opponent 4411 03:46:40.600 --> 03:46:44.360 for the hulkster check. Yes, and that's smarmy, gross, smug, 4412 03:46:44.399 --> 03:46:47.440 prick rick rude, SummerSlam ninety. That's it this time. You 4413 03:46:47.440 --> 03:46:51.799 hope it delivers, and it does. Thanks for all you do, 4414 03:46:51.959 --> 03:46:55.120 especially UTC. Hope to see some al Berke movies coming. 4415 03:46:54.879 --> 03:46:58.920 Soon, Tom, which one? Al Burke? Al Burke? 4416 03:46:59.040 --> 03:47:01.760 I don't think I know Albert. I don't know, did 4417 03:47:01.760 --> 03:47:02.280 you We. 4418 03:47:02.239 --> 03:47:05.559 Talked about Albert Alberke movies. I don't let me see. 4419 03:47:05.600 --> 03:47:06.479 Al Burke. 4420 03:47:08.120 --> 03:47:11.120 Known for the wedding singer, Cradle the Grave. Honeyboll Sure, 4421 03:47:11.159 --> 03:47:11.719 I don't. 4422 03:47:11.479 --> 03:47:13.959 Know the guy. Oh, he's in the movies. I see 4423 03:47:13.959 --> 03:47:17.440 his face. Is he a wait a minute, Oh, he's 4424 03:47:17.479 --> 03:47:20.559 a wrestler. That'll do it. That's the connection. I think 4425 03:47:20.559 --> 03:47:28.280 he must be a championship on Oh yeah. Sixteenth. Al Burke, 4426 03:47:28.360 --> 03:47:31.719 also known as Mister Outrageous, is a sixteen time professional 4427 03:47:31.719 --> 03:47:34.479 wrestling I don't know. Okay, let's look at his filmography. 4428 03:47:34.559 --> 03:47:37.719 What do we do to your time? Sixteen times? That's right, brother, 4429 03:47:38.399 --> 03:47:42.879 he's got two and thirty nine movies. Oh my goodness, 4430 03:47:43.840 --> 03:47:46.639 under his under his hat here, that's a lot to see. 4431 03:47:46.639 --> 03:47:49.719 There's anything that's that's that that's been kind of lacking. 4432 03:47:50.319 --> 03:47:54.360 I've been but uh uh is there a home fucking 4433 03:47:54.360 --> 03:47:56.920 moves there even heard of? Which is great? I'm not 4434 03:47:56.959 --> 03:48:01.600 saying that. Listen, he's all qualified. So it's noodles of Nudeland. 4435 03:48:03.920 --> 03:48:09.760 Huh huh, Yeah, let's do it. I'm looking at Yeah. 4436 03:48:09.879 --> 03:48:14.520 These a listen, these are all fucking all fine paranormal 4437 03:48:14.559 --> 03:48:21.159 attraction Killer Waves to Killer in Suburbia. Yeah, we're gonna 4438 03:48:21.159 --> 03:48:24.840 plut albrok on. He'll get his time. Let's see. Uh, 4439 03:48:24.920 --> 03:48:27.040 let's go back kind of, let's go back a little 4440 03:48:27.040 --> 03:48:29.719 ways here, let's go sometimes these guys have been in 4441 03:48:29.760 --> 03:48:31.639 like old let's see when he started. He started eight. 4442 03:48:31.760 --> 03:48:34.799 N Oh, look at he's on fucking w Superstars and Challenge. 4443 03:48:36.280 --> 03:48:38.959 Look at that ten episodes of Superstars, eight episodes of 4444 03:48:39.079 --> 03:48:45.040 Challenge and IWF at the zone. He's in the wedding singer. 4445 03:48:45.680 --> 03:48:49.200 He's in the wedding singer. Anything about this guy? That's amazing? 4446 03:48:49.239 --> 03:48:52.280 All right? Uh, his wedding singer already on the fucking list. 4447 03:48:52.319 --> 03:48:54.840 I don't know. Let's take a look. The list is 4448 03:48:54.879 --> 03:48:57.879 always expanding. I mean seriously, if I ever showed you 4449 03:48:57.959 --> 03:48:59.639 the list, you'd be like, I can't even read this. 4450 03:49:00.280 --> 03:49:06.559 Fucking need you tonight. It's so massive the list. Uh, 4451 03:49:06.719 --> 03:49:09.639 wedding singer is not on the list. It is now. 4452 03:49:10.959 --> 03:49:13.559 To not be on the list is a big enough deal. Yep, 4453 03:49:13.920 --> 03:49:19.639 Let'll let alone qualify wedding singer. Al Burke, got it. 4454 03:49:20.239 --> 03:49:25.680 That's fucking that's huge. So we're doing huh high crimes 4455 03:49:25.719 --> 03:49:31.120 on the Kingdom episode of the King of Queens. Oh 4456 03:49:31.159 --> 03:49:34.319 my god. I love these guys who like had who 4457 03:49:34.360 --> 03:49:37.360 were on like big things when they were younger. He 4458 03:49:37.440 --> 03:49:39.120 did he did the wedding singer, and then he did 4459 03:49:39.159 --> 03:49:42.280 like an episode of Mad About You. Uh uh, you 4460 03:49:42.319 --> 03:49:45.159 know the Bold and the Beautiful King of Queens. And 4461 03:49:45.200 --> 03:49:46.879 then as he goes on he starts to get into 4462 03:49:46.920 --> 03:49:50.440 the really crappy shit. Yes, and that's where the money is. 4463 03:49:50.959 --> 03:49:53.600 I love it. That's where the fucking money is. Well, 4464 03:49:53.639 --> 03:49:55.760 you did it. You hooked the boss hook Line and Sinker. 4465 03:49:56.079 --> 03:50:00.959 He did a Christmas movie called It's Christmas. Brother. That's great. 4466 03:50:01.040 --> 03:50:07.280 I mean it's Christmas, dude, what it's not? What are 4467 03:50:07.280 --> 03:50:12.440 you saying? Nothing to forget it? Terry? This is great? 4468 03:50:12.520 --> 03:50:17.479 All right? No, we got al Burke. We'll see mean, 4469 03:50:18.479 --> 03:50:19.799 we'll see what we can do with al Burke. 4470 03:50:20.719 --> 03:50:23.000 Liam wants to throw something in play too over in Cork. 4471 03:50:23.040 --> 03:50:25.920 He says, I recall JP saying Dan Severn, look like 4472 03:50:25.920 --> 03:50:28.559 there will be bloods Daniel plain View and one of 4473 03:50:28.600 --> 03:50:31.520 your old Attitude era pay per view reviews. That qualifies, 4474 03:50:31.680 --> 03:50:33.479 and when you cover it, I will finally join the 4475 03:50:33.479 --> 03:50:36.799 cinemat Deer. There will be blood. 4476 03:50:37.959 --> 03:50:39.840 Okay, So that's that's all it takes. If you're ever 4477 03:50:39.879 --> 03:50:42.239 looking for twenty bucks. Yeah, if I say someone's looking 4478 03:50:42.479 --> 03:50:45.079 looking at all, right, there we go. I guess that 4479 03:50:45.200 --> 03:50:48.879 somehow makes it. That makes it more worthy than big 4480 03:50:48.920 --> 03:50:53.280 show being on the fucking TV show with what's your butt? 4481 03:50:53.600 --> 03:50:58.399 To qualify that other movie? I don't know. Yeah, gabriel 4482 03:50:58.559 --> 03:51:01.040 Anwar Oh yeah really. 4483 03:51:00.959 --> 03:51:05.520 More eiks Le's good to Hawaii. Huh what do you say? 4484 03:51:05.959 --> 03:51:08.399 I listen? I love Hawaiian lovely. 4485 03:51:08.120 --> 03:51:11.520 Cultures, wonderful place and our homie Kaipo always holding it 4486 03:51:11.559 --> 03:51:14.079 down over there, wants to let us know about his 4487 03:51:14.120 --> 03:51:16.479 fiftieth state Big Time wrestling recollections. You want to talk 4488 03:51:16.520 --> 03:51:20.159 about remembering the warm, golden glow of the way it 4489 03:51:20.239 --> 03:51:23.600 used to be. So remember going to uh Owahu three 4490 03:51:23.639 --> 03:51:26.079 or four years ago, and I probably told this story. 4491 03:51:26.120 --> 03:51:28.040 There was an old head there. He looked like Buddha man. 4492 03:51:28.079 --> 03:51:30.920 He was like this fat old guy with white hair 4493 03:51:30.920 --> 03:51:35.559 and a hugely friendly disposition, lifelong islander. And we were 4494 03:51:35.559 --> 03:51:38.040 just sitting there and near the pool, and I started 4495 03:51:38.040 --> 03:51:40.479 talking to him about Lord James Blears and High Chief 4496 03:51:40.479 --> 03:51:44.000 Peter Myivia and neph Mayava and he was like, who 4497 03:51:44.040 --> 03:51:48.239 the fuck is this guy from Wow, New England who 4498 03:51:48.280 --> 03:51:50.680 knows about all these Hawaiian wrestling guys that I grew. 4499 03:51:51.120 --> 03:51:52.920 It was a wonderful talk as he was what we're 4500 03:51:52.920 --> 03:51:55.600 calling all these all these names and all these stories, 4501 03:51:55.600 --> 03:51:57.200 it's not like he was the biggest wrestling fan in 4502 03:51:57.200 --> 03:51:58.799 the world. But that's what was cool about it, Curtis, 4503 03:51:58.840 --> 03:52:01.559 I Ka, every buddy in the island knows these guys. 4504 03:52:01.600 --> 03:52:03.079 You don't have to be a wrestling fan. You're just 4505 03:52:03.079 --> 03:52:06.040 a Hawaiian right right, and Kaypo knows what's up, he 4506 03:52:06.040 --> 03:52:07.799 writes toteer coach chairs. I wanted to write about him, 4507 03:52:07.799 --> 03:52:10.120 and my experience is growing up in Hawaii and hearing 4508 03:52:10.159 --> 03:52:12.319 some of the older generations talk about the wrestling scene 4509 03:52:12.360 --> 03:52:14.360 out here in the sixties and seventies. I was tempted 4510 03:52:14.399 --> 03:52:16.239 to write this email. When you guys covered Goldfinger and 4511 03:52:16.280 --> 03:52:18.920 put the spotlight on Harold Sakata, that would make sense, boss. 4512 03:52:18.719 --> 03:52:19.239 Right, mm hmm. 4513 03:52:19.799 --> 03:52:21.600 And that show Jack talked about interacting with the old 4514 03:52:21.639 --> 03:52:24.399 timercy I knew I told the story before in Hawaii 4515 03:52:24.399 --> 03:52:26.040 and seeing his face light up at the mere mention 4516 03:52:26.120 --> 03:52:27.920 of wrestling in Hawaii. I'm here to back that up, 4517 03:52:28.000 --> 03:52:29.760 as my parents both love and love to talk about 4518 03:52:29.760 --> 03:52:33.040 their wrestling experiences growing up. First, my dad. My dad 4519 03:52:33.079 --> 03:52:35.200 has since passed on, but he grew up in Khali, 4520 03:52:35.360 --> 03:52:37.799 which is a town with the Downtown Honolulu district. Within 4521 03:52:37.840 --> 03:52:40.760 the Downtown Honolulu district. His house was about ten minutes 4522 03:52:40.799 --> 03:52:43.040 by car to the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium where they 4523 03:52:43.040 --> 03:52:45.920 would hold shows weekly. Man he was born in nineteen 4524 03:52:45.959 --> 03:52:47.600 forty three, so we got to experience the good shit 4525 03:52:47.600 --> 03:52:49.040 at an age where he could remember and in some 4526 03:52:49.079 --> 03:52:51.680 cases get involved. I remember him telling me stories about 4527 03:52:51.680 --> 03:52:55.040 Saint Kila Kawalsky and Sam Steamboat, how he would be 4528 03:52:55.120 --> 03:52:57.520 in the mob with all the Samoans to watch High 4529 03:52:57.559 --> 03:53:00.479 Chief Peter Mavia. He admonished me when I met Prince 4530 03:53:00.479 --> 03:53:03.559 Ikia from w c W and pronounced his name iakeya 4531 03:53:03.799 --> 03:53:05.719 wow like the announcers did. He told me it was 4532 03:53:05.719 --> 03:53:11.920 pronounced eokaya. Interesting roller. He absolutely loved the heels and 4533 03:53:11.959 --> 03:53:14.200 would root for Fred Lassi and would get into constant 4534 03:53:14.200 --> 03:53:16.440 fights at school for calling people pencil like geeks. He 4535 03:53:16.479 --> 03:53:19.959 would talk about Ed Francis and how mister Fuji, who 4536 03:53:20.000 --> 03:53:24.600 my dad would call Fuji Fujiwara, that's a great would 4537 03:53:24.600 --> 03:53:27.600 all we start as promos with Dankie Massa Franzis and 4538 03:53:27.639 --> 03:53:31.719 the most pig pigeon English accent you could you could find. 4539 03:53:31.959 --> 03:53:34.559 His love for wrestling as a teenager and young adult 4540 03:53:34.559 --> 03:53:36.399 male made it fun to watch wrestling with him. He 4541 03:53:36.440 --> 03:53:39.079 loved Yokozuna because mister Fuji was his manager and because 4542 03:53:39.159 --> 03:53:40.760 Yoaks looked like a big sumo and he used to 4543 03:53:40.760 --> 03:53:43.440 hang out with And he immediately dismissed Leilani Kai as 4544 03:53:43.440 --> 03:53:46.280 a Hawaiian and culture a hioala, which is slang for 4545 03:53:46.360 --> 03:53:47.600 taurus or white person. 4546 03:53:48.000 --> 03:53:49.479 Awesome, Wow. 4547 03:53:51.559 --> 03:53:54.440 I love the words that non white countries have for 4548 03:53:54.479 --> 03:53:56.319 white people. I think it's so funny. 4549 03:53:56.399 --> 03:53:59.520 Oh, please more more of them. They all have them 4550 03:53:59.559 --> 03:54:02.879 all right, listen, we all deserve them all right now. 4551 03:54:02.920 --> 03:54:06.280 My mom, she's about thirteen years younger than my dad 4552 03:54:06.280 --> 03:54:07.680 and grew up on the west side of O Wahoo 4553 03:54:07.680 --> 03:54:11.159 in the town of Maha mccaha, pardon me Macaha. Fortunately 4554 03:54:11.200 --> 03:54:12.879 for her. Ed Francis would run shows out of the 4555 03:54:12.879 --> 03:54:15.600 Wainai High School gym, which is in the neighboring town. 4556 03:54:16.200 --> 03:54:19.719 My mom and her siblings towne Town Mahine not Tom 4557 03:54:19.840 --> 03:54:22.360 Mahaa Tom. That's how I say it. Shout outs to 4558 03:54:22.399 --> 03:54:24.719 Max Holloway, by the way, for talking about whiney. My 4559 03:54:24.799 --> 03:54:26.920 mom and her siblings would go and watch the matches. 4560 03:54:27.000 --> 03:54:29.680 She would see guys like Lord James Blears, Nick Bockwinkle, 4561 03:54:29.760 --> 03:54:33.879 the Missing Link, gentlemen Jim Hady, Rippercollins and Hansy Handsome, 4562 03:54:34.000 --> 03:54:37.280 Johnny Barand among others. Whenever I bring up wrestling in Hawaii, 4563 03:54:37.319 --> 03:54:39.559 she always tells me the story of waiting outside to 4564 03:54:39.559 --> 03:54:42.159 get autographs of the wrestlers and seeing them leaving the venue. 4565 03:54:42.200 --> 03:54:45.239 She was astonished when she saw Ripper Collins and Ed Francis, 4566 03:54:45.239 --> 03:54:47.280 who were feuding at the time, get in the same 4567 03:54:47.399 --> 03:54:50.200 car together. Kay Fabe died for her that day, but 4568 03:54:50.280 --> 03:54:52.600 she still loved going to the matches. She also lived 4569 03:54:52.600 --> 03:54:54.479 down the street from Lord Blears and would ride her 4570 03:54:54.520 --> 03:54:56.440 bike down to where Blears's house was to catch a 4571 03:54:56.440 --> 03:54:59.280 glimpse of her favorite wrestlers. Another story she had was 4572 03:54:59.280 --> 03:55:01.000 that one day her and her siblings were walking on 4573 03:55:01.040 --> 03:55:03.600 the beach and saw a washed up whale carcass. This 4574 03:55:03.639 --> 03:55:05.440 happens from time to time here and it can get 4575 03:55:05.440 --> 03:55:07.879 pretty stinky. But the whale was freshly washed ashore and 4576 03:55:07.920 --> 03:55:10.040 the carcass didn't start to rot yet, so my mom 4577 03:55:10.079 --> 03:55:12.239 and her siblings started climbing it and jumping on it. 4578 03:55:13.319 --> 03:55:15.799 Lo and behold, James Blears was walking on the beach 4579 03:55:16.280 --> 03:55:18.559 as he always would, and immediately told them to get 4580 03:55:18.600 --> 03:55:20.360 off the whale and go home. They all knew him 4581 03:55:20.360 --> 03:55:23.680 from wrestling and instantly listened or else they would they 4582 03:55:23.719 --> 03:55:26.319 thought he could slap the V four on them. A 4583 03:55:26.399 --> 03:55:28.159 lot of her memories a little shot now, but she 4584 03:55:28.159 --> 03:55:30.799 can still recollect those times and also enjoyed that I 4585 03:55:30.799 --> 03:55:32.799 got into pro wrestling so she can relive those days 4586 03:55:32.840 --> 03:55:35.680 going to shows with me. She even remembered Harld Sakata 4587 03:55:35.760 --> 03:55:37.280 when I told her I was learning about him on 4588 03:55:37.280 --> 03:55:40.000 a podcast. I wonder what podcast that would be? By right, 4589 03:55:40.479 --> 03:55:42.879 she knew all the accomplishments and accolades like the back 4590 03:55:42.920 --> 03:55:45.719 of her hand. Lastly, when my mom got older, she 4591 03:55:45.760 --> 03:55:48.399 moved into Honolulu and worked at a Woolworth and the 4592 03:55:48.440 --> 03:55:51.479 Ala Muana shopping center. There she saw celebrities such as 4593 03:55:51.559 --> 03:55:54.200 Jack Lord from Hawaii five oh and would occasionally see 4594 03:55:54.200 --> 03:55:57.120 wrestlers as they passed through. One such occasion had her 4595 03:55:57.120 --> 03:55:59.840 bring to cashier for Andre. Had her being the cash 4596 03:56:00.559 --> 03:56:03.440 for Andre the Giant. She described him as a huge 4597 03:56:03.440 --> 03:56:07.600 man with huge hair. Yeah, he was accompanied by four 4598 03:56:07.680 --> 03:56:10.719 jobbers who were his handlers because Andre was one hundred 4599 03:56:10.760 --> 03:56:14.200 percent completely blitzed off of marijuana and whatever else he consumed. 4600 03:56:14.600 --> 03:56:16.360 This is all to say that pro wrestling still has 4601 03:56:16.360 --> 03:56:18.639 a rich history among the locals here. I wish they 4602 03:56:18.639 --> 03:56:20.360 would have some sort of museum for the history, but 4603 03:56:20.399 --> 03:56:22.200 at least we still have some of the generation that 4604 03:56:22.280 --> 03:56:24.600 lived it to educate us youngins about a great time 4605 03:56:24.639 --> 03:56:27.079 in wrestling history. Thank you both for all that you do. 4606 03:56:27.280 --> 03:56:29.520 It's all too easy to just delve into the big companies, 4607 03:56:29.520 --> 03:56:31.520 but you guys go the extra mile and discuss those 4608 03:56:31.520 --> 03:56:34.680 great territories lost to time. Appreciate you and all that 4609 03:56:34.719 --> 03:56:36.680 you do. Look for a care package in the mail 4610 03:56:36.719 --> 03:56:39.159 for the next unwrappening with treats from Hawaii. Oh boy, 4611 03:56:39.639 --> 03:56:43.319 Oh boy, chocolate covered macadamia nuts. Boss, give him caramel 4612 03:56:43.360 --> 03:56:46.959 Macadamian nuts, ConA coffee, take care and as always. 4613 03:56:46.639 --> 03:56:49.120 Give me some ConA coffee. Yes it wasn't Gene Snitz. 4614 03:56:49.200 --> 03:56:49.639 Also a. 4615 03:56:53.520 --> 03:56:56.840 Great and some con crush. Yeah, if we're lucky. How 4616 03:56:56.879 --> 03:56:59.760 about some David Beltran pledges. How about Sean three sixteen 4617 03:57:00.000 --> 03:57:02.920 about Lucas Vincent upping his pledge. How about Team Janner 4618 03:57:02.959 --> 03:57:06.799 and Jake Anthony Martin and Cody Fague and Andrew Carpenter 4619 03:57:06.879 --> 03:57:10.719 and Travis Wilcox and Brett Derizo and Liam Coucy and 4620 03:57:10.879 --> 03:57:12.760 Jonathan and Zane Shima. 4621 03:57:12.879 --> 03:57:15.440 How about all these folks, boss that works for me? 4622 03:57:15.840 --> 03:57:16.440 You know what I mean? 4623 03:57:16.639 --> 03:57:19.120 These are all folks putting cash on the table. How 4624 03:57:19.120 --> 03:57:20.719 about Justin who right? Just want to say hello to 4625 03:57:20.760 --> 03:57:23.079 the fellas that are getting me through this broken tibia 4626 03:57:23.159 --> 03:57:23.799 and fibula. 4627 03:57:23.840 --> 03:57:24.079 Oh. 4628 03:57:24.879 --> 03:57:26.719 I've been a motor now for a little while, and 4629 03:57:26.760 --> 03:57:28.440 it was the best fucking decision I've made in a while. 4630 03:57:28.520 --> 03:57:30.360 My mom was just like Johnny Ace. I told her 4631 03:57:30.360 --> 03:57:32.360 I can't go off the second step carrying this one 4632 03:57:32.440 --> 03:57:35.120 hundred pound cabinet. I wasn't obligated, but she told me 4633 03:57:35.159 --> 03:57:37.559 I had to, and I did it. Snapped my fucking 4634 03:57:37.680 --> 03:57:41.559 leg into Jesus Jesus Christ. First words out of me, 4635 03:57:41.760 --> 03:57:43.360 out of my mouth, damn it, damn it. 4636 03:57:43.639 --> 03:57:44.239 Just like Sid. 4637 03:57:44.600 --> 03:57:46.799 Oh, my mom runs out and that's what happened. And 4638 03:57:46.840 --> 03:57:49.239 I followed it with a shut up. You guys are 4639 03:57:49.280 --> 03:57:51.040 awesome and I appreciate the hell out of you. While 4640 03:57:51.040 --> 03:57:53.719 Sid is up there laps Togan is still my all 4641 03:57:53.760 --> 03:57:55.879 time favorite. Just another reminder it used to be better. 4642 03:57:55.959 --> 03:57:57.479 Have a good one, fellows, and thank you all the 4643 03:57:57.479 --> 03:57:59.840 way from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I hope you're 4644 03:57:59.840 --> 03:58:00.799 on the man justin. 4645 03:58:00.719 --> 03:58:03.760 Wring my favorite, my favorite brother. We're talking about favorite, dude? 4646 03:58:04.680 --> 03:58:08.479 What what was I supposed to be the underdog? What 4647 03:58:08.600 --> 03:58:08.719 is it? 4648 03:58:09.239 --> 03:58:12.120 Wouldn't say that I'm favorite? Wait a minute, what do 4649 03:58:12.159 --> 03:58:13.840 you are you? You said upper peninsula? 4650 03:58:13.879 --> 03:58:16.479 Brother? What my peninsula? Trying to get the upper hands? 4651 03:58:17.000 --> 03:58:19.920 What do you Michigan? Bro? Is that that's kind of sauce? 4652 03:58:20.000 --> 03:58:23.159 Don't you think? Dude? Isn't that where I slammed a giant? Dude? 4653 03:58:24.600 --> 03:58:26.840 You work in silver dorm? What do you know something 4654 03:58:26.840 --> 03:58:30.600 about the actual attendance that are you saying? Are you 4655 03:58:30.639 --> 03:58:32.200 saying are you saying you had a cousin that worked 4656 03:58:32.200 --> 03:58:34.440 at the box office? Dude? Are you saying brother? Are 4657 03:58:34.440 --> 03:58:38.600 you saying that? Are you saying that it wasn't sold out? 4658 03:58:39.120 --> 03:58:44.319 Are you getting that? Dude? What? What? Well? Che Bobo Brazil? 4659 03:58:46.399 --> 03:58:58.360 Cobo Hogan, Cobo Hogan, Hogan, Bro? I didn't know what's 4660 03:58:58.360 --> 03:59:06.879 going on? Dude? What are you here? Where do you 4661 03:59:06.879 --> 03:59:09.760 get off being from Michigan? What do you brother? Why 4662 03:59:09.760 --> 03:59:11.799 do you say Michigan? Dude? Like that's like the third time? 4663 03:59:12.440 --> 03:59:14.920 What's Michigan? Brother? What's going on? Dude? 4664 03:59:15.280 --> 03:59:21.520 It's a huge concern. I need did you brother, did 4665 03:59:21.520 --> 03:59:24.760 you shut O factories and relocate jobs to the macchiadoras 4666 03:59:24.799 --> 03:59:25.280 in Mexico? 4667 03:59:25.360 --> 03:59:25.600 Dude? 4668 03:59:28.040 --> 03:59:30.959 Are you taking advantage of duty free US MCA imports? 4669 03:59:31.000 --> 03:59:34.040 Brother? Are you taking what are you talking about? Duty? Dude? 4670 03:59:34.120 --> 03:59:37.680 You're talking dooky brother. I didn't know these things. Dude, 4671 03:59:38.440 --> 03:59:40.159 do they collect doukie at the border or duties? 4672 03:59:41.440 --> 03:59:44.920 John right on our Netflix show when uh you know 4673 03:59:44.959 --> 03:59:47.479 what our Netflix show when we covered the raw Netflix debut. 4674 03:59:47.559 --> 03:59:48.559 What was the first thing we saw? 4675 03:59:48.600 --> 03:59:51.159 Do you remember? Uh? 4676 03:59:51.239 --> 03:59:53.360 No, there was a curtain around the ring, wasn't there? 4677 03:59:54.399 --> 03:59:56.559 And then a pyro explosion when the curtain came down. 4678 03:59:56.600 --> 03:59:57.760 Who is in the middle of the ring. 4679 03:59:59.280 --> 03:59:59.559 Game? 4680 04:00:00.680 --> 04:00:03.159 John writes, when that curtain dropped, I was finally able 4681 04:00:03.159 --> 04:00:06.559 to understand and appreciate why Vince decided not to leave 4682 04:00:06.600 --> 04:00:09.399 the company to his idiotic daughter and dufus son in. 4683 04:00:09.440 --> 04:00:27.079 Law Wrestling Podcast, The wrestling Podcast that knows the boys 4684 04:00:27.159 --> 04:00:45.479 need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan. 4685 04:00:45.559 --> 04:00:49.760 Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnaco and JP Soro. 4686 04:00:50.399 --> 04:00:54.079 Michael Allen, thanks for the increase in pledge meet uh 4687 04:00:54.200 --> 04:00:56.760 let's see the Cutman. Thank you very much, DP, thank 4688 04:00:56.799 --> 04:00:59.200 you very much, Name of Avery. We love the pledge. 4689 04:00:59.239 --> 04:01:04.399 Thank you, Sir Snyder and SSI. We appreciate your support. 4690 04:01:04.680 --> 04:01:07.760 On Patreon, Jacob writes, when thinking about the coach here 4691 04:01:07.799 --> 04:01:09.959 is doing a hog contribute. I feel like the entire 4692 04:01:10.040 --> 04:01:13.760 cast to spend a Hogue contribute all along. M something 4693 04:01:13.760 --> 04:01:18.120 I think about you, there's some there's some truth to that, 4694 04:01:18.399 --> 04:01:21.399 Chris Hughes, We love it. Welcome to the executive producer here, Derek. 4695 04:01:21.440 --> 04:01:23.840 Thank you so much for your support and pledge. On Patreon. 4696 04:01:23.879 --> 04:01:27.760 Martin Wilson as well, Welcome to the Inner Circle. James writes, 4697 04:01:28.319 --> 04:01:32.840 how early did you know about Vince McMahon's corporophilia? How 4698 04:01:32.879 --> 04:01:35.840 about twenty sixteen? While listening to the star K ninety 4699 04:01:35.840 --> 04:01:37.959 one stop on the Memorial Tour. During the discussion of 4700 04:01:38.000 --> 04:01:40.959 Vader and Hughes versus Steiner and night Stalker, Boss goes 4701 04:01:41.000 --> 04:01:43.280 into an extended description of Vince wanting to shit on 4702 04:01:43.319 --> 04:01:45.799 the talent in the middle of the ring. I mean, 4703 04:01:45.799 --> 04:01:48.200 how fucking on the nose is that? Well, it's mostly 4704 04:01:48.239 --> 04:01:49.440 on the chest, but I get your point. 4705 04:01:50.559 --> 04:01:55.760 I believe well, listen, I am not a you know, 4706 04:01:55.840 --> 04:01:58.000 I'm not as stubborn as I come across on the 4707 04:01:58.040 --> 04:02:01.719 television as you've heard. I am fine to you know. 4708 04:02:01.879 --> 04:02:08.159 I don't have to drop feces on any particular any 4709 04:02:08.200 --> 04:02:13.959 particular body part. I can do whatever is desired. My 4710 04:02:14.040 --> 04:02:20.239 feces are very, very They go anywhere anywhere you need. 4711 04:02:21.280 --> 04:02:26.639 I can drop here. 4712 04:02:26.680 --> 04:02:29.959 I am her rights, enjoying the shelf life of that 4713 04:02:30.000 --> 04:02:32.879 fucking cast when I'm shook at how you managed to 4714 04:02:32.879 --> 04:02:35.680 come up with exactly what Vince has been accused of 4715 04:02:35.879 --> 04:02:39.319 nearly eight years before the Janelle Grant lawsuit which details 4716 04:02:39.360 --> 04:02:41.879 the accusations of Vince shitting on her. I think this 4717 04:02:41.920 --> 04:02:44.079 is just more evidence of how you managed to tap 4718 04:02:44.079 --> 04:02:46.680 into Vince's psyche and plumb the depths of his depravity 4719 04:02:46.879 --> 04:02:49.559 for our entertainment. Just reaching out to thank you for 4720 04:02:49.600 --> 04:02:52.239 ten years of quality entertainment and to remind you just 4721 04:02:52.239 --> 04:02:54.879 how much truth you've been laying on the table since 4722 04:02:54.959 --> 04:02:58.399 day one. Hashtag shelf life coming to you from Crockett Country. 4723 04:02:59.000 --> 04:03:00.280 James. 4724 04:03:00.920 --> 04:03:05.559 Never forget that, Never forget the point he makes. Yeah, 4725 04:03:06.159 --> 04:03:09.559 Eric esc welcome to the Executive producer tier. Same to 4726 04:03:09.639 --> 04:03:13.799 Liam McGrath, Matthew Muns. We deeply appreciate your bold and 4727 04:03:13.920 --> 04:03:17.479 vainy jump to the moat tier. Andrew just wants to 4728 04:03:17.520 --> 04:03:19.600 say you guys honestly make life better. Just want to 4729 04:03:19.600 --> 04:03:22.600 say thank you for this today. Well, thank you pal. 4730 04:03:22.799 --> 04:03:25.879 We'd love to hear that legion a AOD. Thank you 4731 04:03:25.959 --> 04:03:28.200 very much. We already did shout you out, but you've 4732 04:03:28.239 --> 04:03:30.920 been climbing the Patreon ladder, so we need to acknowledge 4733 04:03:30.920 --> 04:03:34.200 e'd step along the way. Anthony Desanzo, thank you for 4734 04:03:34.280 --> 04:03:36.760 your support. William Webb, Thanks for going all the way 4735 04:03:36.840 --> 04:03:38.280 up to the moat tier, my friend. We know it's 4736 04:03:38.280 --> 04:03:40.760 a plunge, but you'll find it's worth it. Steve Maltez, 4737 04:03:40.799 --> 04:03:43.959 thank you very much for your support on Patreon. Ryan Morris, 4738 04:03:44.000 --> 04:03:48.120 thanks for bumping up to the Executive producer Tier Scott writes, 4739 04:03:48.159 --> 04:03:50.639 thanks for keeping me hot the company on my hike today, 4740 04:03:50.680 --> 04:03:53.000 healthy habits developing with the coach here is directly at 4741 04:03:53.000 --> 04:03:56.040 my ass. That's happening a lot. Yep, we are part 4742 04:03:56.079 --> 04:04:02.719 of this balanced diet, happy to do it. Here is 4743 04:04:02.760 --> 04:04:06.200 Paul very quickly wishing us a happy new year. Let's 4744 04:04:06.239 --> 04:04:09.040 not forget we're going back to the turn of the 4745 04:04:09.040 --> 04:04:12.879 calendar here on this Millback also wish you could share 4746 04:04:12.920 --> 04:04:13.920 Paul sentiments. 4747 04:04:14.280 --> 04:04:20.319 Sure, CoA chairs. I was talking with a co worker 4748 04:04:20.399 --> 04:04:22.200 when ben Walk came up for some reason, and I 4749 04:04:22.200 --> 04:04:24.879 told him about the definitive tenth anniversary tragedy cast you 4750 04:04:25.040 --> 04:04:29.360 gentlemen did nihon eight years ago. Now, I mentioned I 4751 04:04:29.399 --> 04:04:32.159 needed to re listen to it half hashtag shelf life. 4752 04:04:32.200 --> 04:04:36.879 I started listening this morning while making breakfast. The later later, 4753 04:04:36.959 --> 04:04:38.639 my wife and I got into an argument, and I 4754 04:04:38.639 --> 04:04:41.520 started and I started anger cleaning. I tried to channel 4755 04:04:41.520 --> 04:04:44.120 anger into something positive, but it still involves a lot 4756 04:04:44.120 --> 04:04:50.159 of muttering to myself. That's amazing. My earbuds ran out 4757 04:04:50.200 --> 04:04:53.200 of battery and the ben Wa Pott started playing from 4758 04:04:53.239 --> 04:04:57.319 my phone at the table. She was sitting the concerned side. 4759 04:04:57.360 --> 04:04:59.559 I stare, I got as we were all as we 4760 04:04:59.559 --> 04:05:02.120 were still steamed at each other. I'm sure she was 4761 04:05:02.239 --> 04:05:04.479 envisioning me texting my brother about the dogs being in 4762 04:05:04.520 --> 04:05:07.079 the pool house. Oh my god, and already dialed nine 4763 04:05:07.159 --> 04:05:08.920 and one and was ready to hit the last one. 4764 04:05:08.959 --> 04:05:11.959 The reader of the Simpsons, Oh yeah, totals of the 4765 04:05:11.959 --> 04:05:16.000 Simpsons where Millhouse and his family are at his grandma's house, 4766 04:05:16.040 --> 04:05:20.040 and and there's and Bart's knocking at the door because 4767 04:05:20.040 --> 04:05:22.559 he sold his soul and I'll let shit and the 4768 04:05:22.559 --> 04:05:27.719 grandmother goes, okay, you dial nine one and when I 4769 04:05:27.920 --> 04:05:34.920 say go dial one again, it's so fucking great. And 4770 04:05:34.959 --> 04:05:36.799 we already hit that last one if I tried to 4771 04:05:36.799 --> 04:05:39.440 lock her in across face before we started rolling with laughter, 4772 04:05:39.600 --> 04:05:42.440 which eased the mood. Thank y'all for that. Wow. 4773 04:05:42.520 --> 04:05:45.319 Look at that come absolutely speaker and bringing a little 4774 04:05:45.399 --> 04:05:48.799 levity to tense domestic elements. We'll be there for that too, 4775 04:05:48.920 --> 04:05:51.280 and we'll be there for Nick from Minnesota, who says, 4776 04:05:51.280 --> 04:05:54.120 hello co chairs this summer, you guys read my email 4777 04:05:54.159 --> 04:05:56.799 about my mom listening to the lamentable tragedy after she 4778 04:05:56.840 --> 04:06:01.840 had watched The Iron Claw. She has finished the Wow, 4779 04:06:01.920 --> 04:06:04.479 although she skipped the match breakdowns because she didn't understand 4780 04:06:04.520 --> 04:06:06.799 what was going on. Can you imagine some of the 4781 04:06:07.000 --> 04:06:09.000 hasn't watched pro wrestling in their lives gets to the 4782 04:06:09.000 --> 04:06:12.399 deep dive portion, they what's going on? I'd like take 4783 04:06:12.440 --> 04:06:14.760 over head, says or ants her shoulder tackle by brett 4784 04:06:16.600 --> 04:06:21.239 her Overall thoughts are as follows. Fritz is responsible for 4785 04:06:21.280 --> 04:06:24.680 all of his son's deaths. Yep, the Iron Claw movie 4786 04:06:24.719 --> 04:06:26.680 did not do justice to the family story. 4787 04:06:27.200 --> 04:06:27.440 Yep. 4788 04:06:27.799 --> 04:06:30.360 Why would anyone get into pro wrestling? It seems really 4789 04:06:30.399 --> 04:06:30.959 bad for you. 4790 04:06:31.559 --> 04:06:31.799 Yep. 4791 04:06:32.239 --> 04:06:34.719 Lastly, she said she likes listening to TLF because she 4792 04:06:34.760 --> 04:06:38.440 can tell you guys really are best friends. Here's to 4793 04:06:38.479 --> 04:06:41.000 ten more years of TLF. Nick from Minnesota, Thanks for 4794 04:06:41.000 --> 04:06:42.399 sharing that, Nick, That's really cool. 4795 04:06:42.520 --> 04:06:45.040 That's she And then you know how she felt about 4796 04:06:46.280 --> 04:06:51.120 Vince beating the shit out of Fritz. That's important. What 4797 04:06:51.120 --> 04:06:52.840 happens in the Yeah, what happens at the end? Mom? 4798 04:06:53.319 --> 04:06:54.719 What did you think when he kicks him right in 4799 04:06:54.719 --> 04:06:57.959 the fucking nuts? Yeah? Exactly. For all this, he just 4800 04:06:58.000 --> 04:06:59.879 gets kicked in the nuts and that's the end of it. 4801 04:07:01.959 --> 04:07:03.479 Christopher M. 4802 04:07:03.520 --> 04:07:07.840 Panda, Todd Harding joining the Mote Tier. Thank you, wire 4803 04:07:07.920 --> 04:07:11.440 Tap eight oh four, Tom Bauer, welcome to that tip 4804 04:07:11.440 --> 04:07:14.639 top tier, Jacob. Thank you very much for joining us 4805 04:07:14.799 --> 04:07:17.879 at the executive producer level as David May and Sackster. 4806 04:07:18.440 --> 04:07:22.280 Tony Allen has joined the Mote Tier as well. Since 4807 04:07:22.280 --> 04:07:25.000 we were last with you in this format, Chris Awesome 4808 04:07:25.000 --> 04:07:28.399 Mike Hogan has also joined the Mote Tier. What a 4809 04:07:28.440 --> 04:07:31.479 way to start the year. Eric Ramos bumping up to 4810 04:07:31.479 --> 04:07:38.319 EP Tyrone Terrell tom Bauer. Hmm, it's just an amazing 4811 04:07:38.360 --> 04:07:39.200 and humbling roster. 4812 04:07:40.120 --> 04:07:41.600 It is, It absolutely is. 4813 04:07:42.319 --> 04:07:46.680 We conclude with two final notes. All right, that's when 4814 04:07:46.719 --> 04:07:51.280 we recently received from Michael. It's entitled The Nature of 4815 04:07:51.360 --> 04:07:55.719 Life and Wrestling. Yes, he put boy in parenthesis after nature, 4816 04:07:56.360 --> 04:08:01.040 m Chairman, My chairman, lend me your as I weave 4817 04:08:01.120 --> 04:08:06.239 a yarn into a work that is a shoot for 4818 04:08:06.319 --> 04:08:09.920 those who believe that being the worker who does the 4819 04:08:10.000 --> 04:08:13.680 job will generate the heat needed to put them over 4820 04:08:13.719 --> 04:08:14.559 all others. 4821 04:08:14.840 --> 04:08:16.440 But can reverse the heat is a question. 4822 04:08:16.959 --> 04:08:18.799 I am but a humble craftsman of words. So I 4823 04:08:18.840 --> 04:08:21.239 call your attention to the words of our chairman. Life 4824 04:08:21.280 --> 04:08:26.479 is pain. If it doesn't hurt, have you lived? As 4825 04:08:26.520 --> 04:08:30.680 our philosopher and residence Lapsenash reminds us, it doesn't matter. 4826 04:08:31.399 --> 04:08:32.040 It's all fake. 4827 04:08:32.719 --> 04:08:35.440 M This leads me to my greatest moment of clarity 4828 04:08:35.959 --> 04:08:37.879 on what I have learned from being a fan as 4829 04:08:37.920 --> 04:08:41.399 a child and as a lapsed fan. Now, why does 4830 04:08:41.440 --> 04:08:45.719 society have such disdain for and contempt of wrestling or 4831 04:08:45.760 --> 04:08:50.319 what he calls previously agreed upon and contractually obligated aggressive action. 4832 04:08:52.159 --> 04:08:55.879 Please read this portion as a monologue of lapsed Stone 4833 04:08:55.959 --> 04:09:01.840 or Nash giving a lecture at the bond. 4834 04:09:03.319 --> 04:09:12.280 Are you ready? Uh huh, trying to figure out where 4835 04:09:12.319 --> 04:09:12.959 it stops. 4836 04:09:13.079 --> 04:09:20.159 Okay, here we go, I mean your way, take ahead 4837 04:09:20.159 --> 04:09:22.319 of Sativa, bring bring us home. 4838 04:09:23.440 --> 04:09:28.200 Now and we all have the story. I was watching wrestling, 4839 04:09:28.360 --> 04:09:31.319 I was sharing my interests in wrestling, when suddenly, out 4840 04:09:31.399 --> 04:09:37.360 of left field, the other person goes, hey, hmm, you 4841 04:09:37.440 --> 04:09:40.879 do know that this? Uh? And what are they doing? 4842 04:09:41.040 --> 04:09:45.879 It's all uh? I mean it takes two to do 4843 04:09:46.000 --> 04:09:50.680 some of those things and boom, just like that, life 4844 04:09:50.760 --> 04:09:56.040 is no meaning anymore. Yeah, because they're lying. Wait who 4845 04:09:56.120 --> 04:10:03.000 is lying them? Or them or both of them? You know, 4846 04:10:03.079 --> 04:10:06.600 we claim it a work and they're trying to roll 4847 04:10:06.680 --> 04:10:10.399 us up from behind. You know. This brings me to 4848 04:10:10.440 --> 04:10:15.920 my lesson for you today. What's life? Is life? A shoot? 4849 04:10:16.520 --> 04:10:24.079 A work, a performance entertainment or a series of costume 4850 04:10:24.280 --> 04:10:29.280 self promoting workers trying to get themselves over by making 4851 04:10:29.360 --> 04:10:32.680 you sell what they're throwing because you believe them shooting 4852 04:10:32.719 --> 04:10:37.280 on you. Also you can throw it to another due 4853 04:10:37.319 --> 04:10:41.000 to do to do a job, so you can get 4854 04:10:41.040 --> 04:10:44.959 them over them, put over them, you know, But do 4855 04:10:45.040 --> 04:10:49.559 they tell you the secret that it's all fucking fake. 4856 04:10:51.559 --> 04:10:56.079 Your parents, your teachers, your boss, your spouse, your kids, 4857 04:10:57.079 --> 04:11:01.559 you know, the strangers on the street, lease, the government, 4858 04:11:03.200 --> 04:11:06.559 even the planet's rolling you up from behind, and the 4859 04:11:06.600 --> 04:11:10.920 sun rolling it up as well. Then life shows as 4860 04:11:10.920 --> 04:11:17.040 a Steve Austin, Rick Flair Dwayne Brock who shows us 4861 04:11:17.040 --> 04:11:20.639 there's another way. Hope is out there for somebody who 4862 04:11:20.719 --> 04:11:24.280 can finally get over on all those that got over 4863 04:11:24.360 --> 04:11:28.920 on me. Huh. You know we're jubilant, you know, we 4864 04:11:29.000 --> 04:11:31.799 go and we sell what they've done, and we have 4865 04:11:31.879 --> 04:11:36.280 a champion. Yet you break from the delusion of hope 4866 04:11:36.639 --> 04:11:39.840 as others refuse to do the job for you the 4867 04:11:39.879 --> 04:11:44.000 way others did for our champion, it all tumbles away 4868 04:11:45.680 --> 04:11:49.399 because now we see that even through it all, if 4869 04:11:49.399 --> 04:11:54.040 it was all fake, how doesn't it work for real? 4870 04:11:55.559 --> 04:11:58.399 Oh wait, you know that guy that time told me 4871 04:11:58.520 --> 04:12:03.120 it takes two to do some of us, and the 4872 04:12:03.159 --> 04:12:07.520 delusion that the majority of those around us have previously 4873 04:12:07.559 --> 04:12:14.159 agreed upon and contractually obligated bigated aggressive action that they 4874 04:12:14.200 --> 04:12:17.479 will force us to accept or force us out if 4875 04:12:17.479 --> 04:12:21.680 we don't. But now, who is it that's trying to 4876 04:12:21.799 --> 04:12:25.840 roll you up? Brother? Them at the top saying it's 4877 04:12:25.840 --> 04:12:31.120 a shoot. For them telling you it's a work, I say, 4878 04:12:31.520 --> 04:12:34.680 claim it all of work, yep. That they're trying to 4879 04:12:34.760 --> 04:12:37.920 roll us up from behind, hit someone's intro music, then 4880 04:12:38.040 --> 04:12:40.639 drop the big leg on him, well frozen in their 4881 04:12:40.680 --> 04:12:46.760 pre planned moment. Then ten ninety nine there ass. 4882 04:12:47.440 --> 04:12:50.840 Close with the words have been. I've been listening to 4883 04:12:50.879 --> 04:12:56.079 TLF for years, and probably more intently than most, even 4884 04:12:56.079 --> 04:12:58.040 though I'm not and never have been a fan of 4885 04:12:58.079 --> 04:13:03.079 professional wrestling. That notwithstanding, I think that everything I've learned 4886 04:13:03.079 --> 04:13:08.399 from that cast mostly boils down to this life is 4887 04:13:08.479 --> 04:13:12.719 almost entirely just one big fucking work. 4888 04:13:13.440 --> 04:13:13.639 Hmm. 4889 04:13:14.159 --> 04:13:17.000 So like what you like, laugh at what you think 4890 04:13:17.079 --> 04:13:20.639 is funny, support and cultivate the things you care about, 4891 04:13:21.840 --> 04:13:25.479 do good when you can, and give a shit about 4892 04:13:25.479 --> 04:13:29.079 the people who give a shit about you. Thank you 4893 04:13:29.319 --> 04:13:32.760 for ten rock hard years, co Chairman, and thank you 4894 04:13:32.799 --> 04:13:36.120 those in the Solar System for filling our till and 4895 04:13:36.159 --> 04:13:36.840 our mail bag. 4896 04:13:36.879 --> 04:13:39.159 Once again. We'll see you next time. 4897 04:13:41.760 --> 04:13:44.760 When as a teaching to Santus production, its contents is 4898 04:13:44.799 --> 04:13:46.440 intended for private use only.