Speaker 1: PayPal jar open for Andrew to Tollvey, who sends us
Speaker 1: a quick buck and says, you know what, making up
Speaker 1: for being a loser skipping my morning coffee.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I appreciate the fact that he admits
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: I mean skipping your coffee for that cast. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: back in the main event nineteen me some coffee for
Speaker 1: that matter, or some uh what was it Nordelli's m
Speaker 1: We got a we got a gift card there and
Speaker 1: it was for and we were like trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the what the reference was to and it
Speaker 1: was apparently, uh, we had made we had made some
Speaker 1: kind of comment about pall Bearer uh being buried in Hash.
Speaker 2: Rob Writes writes to us.
Speaker 1: The Nardelli's gift card was inspired by The Buried, a
Speaker 1: live episode The Lapsed Tight and Office's lunch order while
Speaker 1: brainstorming dropping truckloads of earth onto Mickey James and Tristratus
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania twenty two.
Speaker 2: Oh My God.
Speaker 1: Episode also featured audio with Paul Barre being buried alive
Speaker 1: in hash. Lapsed Food.
Speaker 2: You got damn right, damn right, that's a good shirt
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 1: The Lapsed Food, The Lapsed Food the lapsed Cuisine if
Speaker 1: you will there we go said, do you remember joking
Speaker 1: about Paul Barre being buried in hash?
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even remember that. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it per se. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it didn't happen. But it won us a free sandwich.
Speaker 2: I guess, god, you know, people don't I think. I
Speaker 2: think also the order from Titan Towers that they order
Speaker 2: from Nardelli's we joked about, which I do remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember them deciding what to have for lunch because
Speaker 1: it's going to be a long, a long, a long meeting,
Speaker 1: long strategies.
Speaker 2: Nordelli's Yeah, down the street perfect? Can I get an
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a one of the the the full,
Speaker 2: the you know, a whole Italian with you with everything
Speaker 2: on it. Nordelli's way.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Can you put a protein
Speaker 1: bar in a sub?
Speaker 2: Let me have something? Do you listen? Do you put
Speaker 2: protein in your subs? Well? Yeah, we put more of
Speaker 2: you down and I understand that. Do you put protein?
Speaker 1: Do you put unadulterated way protein in yourself?
Speaker 2: I'm talking about do you like the powder? Do you
Speaker 2: drizzle it on the sandwich? Absolutely not. No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, well, why not do you understand? No?
Speaker 1: What a wonderful follow up question. Do you understand? There's
Speaker 1: why not? And there's d what do you understand? Speaking
Speaker 1: of which, we talked quite a bit earlier this year
Speaker 1: about WWF taking off on NBC do you do covering
Speaker 1: the very first Saturday and it's main event from nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five? And we were talking a lot about the
Speaker 1: main event nineteen eighty eight, which of course we've covered
Speaker 1: in the archives with Hogan and Andre, but which did
Speaker 1: all those ratings and everything, and the Solar System was
Speaker 1: extra sharp on that, keeping us in check when we
Speaker 1: forgot certain things or didn't place things into the appropriate context.
Speaker 1: And so in the spirit of that, let's go to
Speaker 1: a couple of pieces of correspondence. This one here kicks
Speaker 1: us off, kicks us off from Josh, who starts starts
Speaker 1: at a high level. He starts with Barth.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's where you that's where we all should start, honestly,
Speaker 2: uh Boston, Part one of this episode, you wished there
Speaker 2: was a time where people could just appreciate wrestling for
Speaker 2: what it could be. I'd like to share something I
Speaker 2: wrote earlier today, and inspired by you guys, that I'd
Speaker 2: be very interested in the co chairs and the solar
Speaker 2: systems thoughts. First, let me start with a quote from
Speaker 2: Roland bart quote. The virtue of all in wrestling is
Speaker 2: that it is the spectacle of excess. Yes, here we
Speaker 2: find a grandiloquence. Wow, that's when you don't hear every
Speaker 2: day a grandiloquence, A grandiloquent word indeed, which must have
Speaker 2: been that of ancient theaters. And in fact, wrestling is
Speaker 2: an open air spectacle. For what makes the circus or
Speaker 2: the arena what they are? Wait for what makes oh, no, no,
Speaker 2: I see? And in fact, wrestling is an open air
Speaker 2: spectacle for what makes the circus or the arena what
Speaker 2: they are is not the sky a Roman circus was covered.
Speaker 2: It is the drenching and vertical quality of the flood
Speaker 2: of lights, even hidden by red velvet. Wrestling partakes of
Speaker 2: the nature of the great solar spectacles, Greek drama and bullfights.
Speaker 2: In both, a light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve.
Speaker 2: There are people who think that wrestling is an ignoble sport.
Speaker 2: Wrestling is not a sport. I mean fucking says it
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 1: Sports even has to has to make sure that nobody
Speaker 1: thinks he thinks it's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, even he's got a little bit of shame. Shame.
Speaker 2: It is a wrestling is not a sport. It is
Speaker 2: a spectacle, and it is no more ignoble than to
Speaker 2: attend to wrestled a wrestled performance that went down. Hold on,
Speaker 2: I know it's not done yet.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: A wrestled performance of suffering.
Speaker 1: Capital s yes, I mean what have we been saying, folks?
Speaker 1: Barth knew the great philosophers know what we're on than
Speaker 1: a performance of the sorrows of a mole?
Speaker 2: Is it a mole? Our novel? Our novel? Arnolfi? Or Androma?
Speaker 2: Queen drama Kay? And Rama Kay? Isn't that?
Speaker 1: Wasn't that Charlotte's husband and Rama Ka? Well, there's only
Speaker 1: was a lot of andrama there. Of course, suffering in
Speaker 1: wrestling is not a sign. It is the very meaning
Speaker 1: of the spectacle, even hidden by red velvet. Wrestling partakes
Speaker 1: of the nature of the great solar spectacles. Greek Oh
Speaker 1: that he repeats himself, Greek drama. Bullfights in both a
Speaker 1: light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve, and then
Speaker 1: from Wyndham Rotunda. Yes, Bray Wyatt quote, wrestling is not
Speaker 1: a love story. It's a fairy tale for masochists.
Speaker 2: Wow. A comedy for people who criticize punchlines. Wow wow,
Speaker 2: Oh love that. That's that's What do you like.
Speaker 1: About a comedy for people who criticize punchlines? What does
Speaker 1: that do for you?
Speaker 2: Like it? It's it's for what that says to me
Speaker 2: in a way. It's kind of funny. It's like, this
Speaker 2: is a place for the cynics. This is the place
Speaker 2: for everybody, for the people who don't like anything else. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that's true. Yep, yep. A fantasy. Most can't understand a spectacle.
Speaker 2: No one can deny. Lines are blurred, heroes are villains.
Speaker 2: Budgets are cut businesses, business budgets are cut. It must
Speaker 2: have been that year got laid off. But it can
Speaker 2: also be a land where dead men walk, where honor
Speaker 2: I mean, especially with the video games, that's all they
Speaker 2: do is walk. They always bring them back. Where honor
Speaker 2: makes you elite.
Speaker 1: Were demon capitalized, agent capitalized, d so corny, where demons
Speaker 1: run for office and rock bottom is a finishing maneuver.
Speaker 1: No is a reason is a reason to rejoice. Woo,
Speaker 1: it's an escape.
Speaker 2: Think about him, man, think about him, Man rock Bottom, Man,
Speaker 2: I know rock Bottom, but it means I'm a different
Speaker 2: man than this world we're in. Man, you know your
Speaker 2: dad doesn't talk like that. Right.
Speaker 1: Where did this develop? Where did this kind of voice develops? Honey,
Speaker 1: I think we need a different accountant. Yeah, he is
Speaker 1: not a chip off the old block.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: He's not a chip off the old H and R block. No,
Speaker 1: he's not H and R shoulder block. How was that
Speaker 1: not a finisher?
Speaker 2: You know what? It would be great, you know what,
Speaker 2: it would actually great if at one point Vince McMahon
Speaker 2: made bray Wyatt be an accountant, like be like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know like some some you know, play off
Speaker 2: of the I R s. And He's like, Vince, I
Speaker 2: can dig him in. I can do it in the
Speaker 2: Blues clues, man, I can it can be.
Speaker 1: It can be a run. I can self referential. Vince's like, no, Pal,
Speaker 1: you get the wrong idea. No, no, certain no, no,
Speaker 1: this is it. This is your character you're gonna be.
Speaker 2: You know, you're the son of an accountant, just like
Speaker 2: Dusty was a son of a player an accountant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we we decry.
Speaker 1: All the occupation based gimmicks of the mid nineties, But
Speaker 1: I ask you what's worse being the wrestling garbage man
Speaker 1: or being the son of a wrestling garbage man.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be the son of a wrestling you know,
Speaker 2: a tax collector. You know he he taxes the wrestlers,
Speaker 2: and you tax our time. Hell bell, he might just
Speaker 2: tax his way to the title. He might tax his
Speaker 2: way to the title. Maybe you will, Maybe you'll do
Speaker 2: what your dad couldn't and tax your way to the
Speaker 2: WWS champions I can see it. I can see it
Speaker 2: right now. Pal.
Speaker 1: You can grab a hold or you can rab a withholding.
Speaker 2: You know you could, you know you got well how
Speaker 2: about this? You know you got brock Lesner's got the
Speaker 2: F five. You could have the W two. How about
Speaker 2: that he wrote them off?
Speaker 1: One could say, you have a certain I don't know
Speaker 1: into it, shin.
Speaker 2: You could be the Turbo tax collector. Well then, big
Speaker 2: fan of that. We could sell that to Turbo tax foul, right,
Speaker 2: we can You know you could do commercials. You just
Speaker 2: know you could that if they came up with the
Speaker 2: I R. Skimmick, in twenty twenty five. They would find
Speaker 2: a way to sell it to Turbo Tax. Absolutely all
Speaker 2: the logos all over the fucking arena when they wrestled. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: And you know he would have been they would have
Speaker 2: made a deal to have him be the spokesperson for TurboTax,
Speaker 2: and he had been in all the commercials and then
Speaker 2: he'd like beat people up or something.
Speaker 1: You can see you can see bray Wyatt, like the
Speaker 1: commercial opens, he's got the spectacles on. He's kind of
Speaker 1: like dressed like a square accountant guy, and you know,
Speaker 1: the tax season can be distressful, and then he rips
Speaker 1: it off and everything blows up like the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: commercial they did.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it'd be so great. I think it'd
Speaker 2: be so fucking funny. Well, they still got a Rotundo,
Speaker 2: don't they. Isn't is it one of them? His brother? Yeah,
Speaker 2: although he's disappeared, but well, you know, it's tax season,
Speaker 2: after all, they could bring him back as a tax collector.
Speaker 1: And after all, like the tax office blows up and
Speaker 1: bray Wyatt walks out the front door. They just show
Speaker 1: Mike Rotundo in the background with his his glasses down
Speaker 1: at his nose, shaking his head, like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that'd be great. I think that would
Speaker 2: be great. Uh, demon's running. Brock Botto is the reasonly woo.
Speaker 2: It's a it's an escape, a reason to point at
Speaker 2: the blame at any one but yourself for two to
Speaker 2: three hours, an excuse to be a kid again, and
Speaker 2: nothing matters except the moment we are in.
Speaker 1: He's describing, by the way, all entertainment.
Speaker 2: That's fine, I know exactly. Wrestling is not a love story.
Speaker 2: It's much more.
Speaker 1: It's oh, hope, Well, it certainly has a way of
Speaker 1: attracting the hopeless.
Speaker 2: So I can see what you're trying to say. And
Speaker 2: in a world surrounded in hate, greed and violence, a
Speaker 2: world where closure may never come, we all know a
Speaker 2: place that has that has hot and cold hope on
Speaker 2: tap for better or for worse. Not anyone who has
Speaker 2: never understood professional wrestling. These two quotes might seem contradictory.
Speaker 2: Barth paints it as grand theater, a morality play of suffering.
Speaker 2: Why it, on the other hand, describes it as a sanctuary,
Speaker 2: a place where reality bend is just enough to let
Speaker 2: us breathe. But the truth is they're saying the same thing,
Speaker 2: because wrestling isn't about competition, It's about emotion, Daddy, And
Speaker 2: for those of us who have lived through trauma, who
Speaker 2: have led our who have had our lives rewritten in
Speaker 2: ways we never asked for, wrestling offers something no other
Speaker 2: medium does. It takes pain, the kind of pain we bury,
Speaker 2: the kind of pain that festers in the back of
Speaker 2: our minds, and turns into something we can see, something
Speaker 2: we can feel without consuming us. Wrestling externalizes suffering. It
Speaker 2: makes it something you can cheer for, rage against, invest in,
Speaker 2: and most importantly see resolve. It used to be that way.
Speaker 1: It used to be that way because I never you know,
Speaker 1: I've never, when considering my deepest, darkest pain, broke out
Speaker 1: in chance of this is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, No, or even my my biggest joy usually
Speaker 2: my big my happiest moment. We be speechless, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, And rarely when I see something I cheer, rage,
Speaker 1: cheer for, or rage against or invest in become resolved
Speaker 1: and real in front of my eyes, do I think
Speaker 1: to myself, where's the herd camera? Can I get onto you?
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for the hard camera. Hold on here?
Speaker 1: Where was I?
Speaker 2: I just accidentally because here's the thing, and the real world,
Speaker 2: closure is a myth. The bad guys don't always get
Speaker 2: what's coming to them, well neither in wrestling, for that matter.
Speaker 2: The people we love disappear and sometimes there are no answers.
Speaker 2: But in wrestling, Oh, in wrestling, the score always gets settled.
Speaker 2: The hero does come back from rock bottom, the villain
Speaker 2: will pay for their sins, betrayals are answered, debts are collected,
Speaker 2: especially if you're irs, and every tragedy serves a purpose.
Speaker 2: It's catharsis plain and simple. But more than that, it's escapism.
Speaker 2: For those few hours, we don't have to be ourselves.
Speaker 2: We don't have to be the people carrying whatever weight
Speaker 2: life is dumped on our backs. Instead, we can step
Speaker 2: into an absurd, ridiculous, beautiful world where pain is temporary,
Speaker 2: where the fight is never over, and where the impossible
Speaker 2: can happen. That's why bray Wyatt could create monsters and
Speaker 2: demons and yet still be one of the most human
Speaker 2: figures in wrestling, because wrestling is where pain transforms into mythology.
Speaker 2: We're suffering isn't just something that happens to you. It's
Speaker 2: part of the story and the world that often leaves
Speaker 2: us adrift wondering why things happen the way they do.
Speaker 2: Sometimes all we need is a place where the suffering
Speaker 2: means something, even if it's just for a little while.
Speaker 1: Thoughts well, Josh, I would agree that it it does.
Speaker 1: It does provide a respite from the reality that people
Speaker 1: suffer all the time and nothing comes of it, no one,
Speaker 1: no life lessons are gained. There's you know, there's no
Speaker 1: there's no upside, there's no there's no silver lining, you know.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so uh, that's why it's so comforting
Speaker 1: to lean into visions of what happens to us after
Speaker 1: we die. That's the that's the currency of religion in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, is trying to offer that comfort
Speaker 1: when the plain fact is you see people who don't
Speaker 1: deserve things get shit all the time, or you see
Speaker 1: people who don't deserve to die die all the time.
Speaker 1: You see people who don't deserve to live live all
Speaker 1: the time. Yep, And so yeah, I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. And that in wrestling, you
Speaker 1: if you see something that impacts you that way, you
Speaker 1: can take comfort in the fact that the storyline is
Speaker 1: set up so that eventually that person's going to get
Speaker 1: their So now the problem is that in wrestling, a
Speaker 1: lot of the people that are set up to be
Speaker 1: the good guys in those scenarios turn out to be
Speaker 1: complete pieces of shit in reality, right, which is not
Speaker 1: something you have to worry about, is it regards Peter
Speaker 1: Parker or Clark Kent. But in wrestling, these are actually living,
Speaker 1: breathing human beings deeply flawed, which explains why they're in
Speaker 1: the business in the first place. And that really fucks
Speaker 1: it up because you can't always rejoice in a I
Speaker 1: don't know, in a hul Cogan winning in the end
Speaker 1: that gets taken away from you eventually.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, do you have anything to say, Boss,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's interesting. I can I can appreciate
Speaker 2: the the that that idea I mean, I think I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily I mean that that to me that this
Speaker 2: description of of this, this place is could be anything. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't think of it as just professional wrestling. I
Speaker 2: think if it is anything a book, this this could
Speaker 2: be the movies, you know, it could be movie theater,
Speaker 2: could be the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: But because like for me, it sounds like a lot
Speaker 1: of what he's saying. It sounds like what they say
Speaker 1: every year at the Academy Awards, you know, when they
Speaker 1: have those big, long, drawn out like what the movies
Speaker 1: mean moments.
Speaker 2: Which is equally annoying to me. Yeah, as someone who
Speaker 2: loves the movies, who wants you know, you know, just
Speaker 2: always had a fascination with with movies and being a
Speaker 2: part of it. I I it's like, come on, like
Speaker 2: what you what are you doing? Like, yes, there are listen.
Speaker 2: Art is art is the most to this day, is
Speaker 2: like the most underappreciated thing we can we do with that.
Speaker 2: That that that in this world, you know, everyone everyone
Speaker 2: wants other things more than or things, other things are
Speaker 2: more important than art, even though there are a million
Speaker 2: reasons to show that art can be one of the
Speaker 2: most important things to to to help people or to
Speaker 2: do anything like it's but at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: like there are yeah, this this thing they do with
Speaker 2: making the you know, the movies feel so like this
Speaker 2: like it's saving people lives, save with people with lives,
Speaker 2: and listen, it does. For sure, there are people's lives
Speaker 2: who are say by by watching movies. In certain way,
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily directly for sure, but it's like it's
Speaker 2: you know, those films are one in a million, you know,
Speaker 2: like you can probably count on maybe two or three
Speaker 2: a year that that could and don't necessarily don't necessarily
Speaker 2: get to the point where they have that impact. Now, wrestling,
Speaker 2: for me as a kid, when I first got into it,
Speaker 2: I was not a real sports fan. That's not a
Speaker 2: sports key agreed, because I just never you know, it
Speaker 2: just I don't know it was ever. I like, I like,
Speaker 2: I've always liked going to games. I've always liked going
Speaker 2: to games, but I was never into sports like a
Speaker 2: lot like most other people are. And that is the
Speaker 2: key deliinegation, because it's I'm not saying one's better than
Speaker 2: the other, but if you came to pro wrestling being
Speaker 2: a huge fan of real sports, then you want pro
Speaker 2: wrestling to be something different than people who came to
Speaker 2: it from comic books and and this is what I
Speaker 2: wanted sports to be. To me. That's what drew me
Speaker 2: in was the fact that holy shit, you know, like
Speaker 2: they they're treating it like a sport. But this is
Speaker 2: what I want sports to be, right, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: even like boxing when I was a kid, like it
Speaker 2: just it bored me, you know, like I just never
Speaker 2: found it interesting, but this did because it was like, yes,
Speaker 2: this is what sports should be.
Speaker 1: It's all high spot, it's all it's all what it's
Speaker 1: all towards the goal of making the most exciting things
Speaker 1: possible happen in front of your eyes. It's not all
Speaker 1: high spots. But it's also like it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: what do I want on like a football field. I
Speaker 1: want the other team to attack the team on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: I want the team to I want the teams to
Speaker 1: fight on the sidelines, you know, like have a pull
Speaker 1: apart brawl on the sidelines that doesn't get pulled apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what that they actually, you know, and that's
Speaker 2: all that's to me what wrestling was like, here are
Speaker 2: athletes who are kicking each other's ass because they don't
Speaker 2: like each other, and I'm like, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's boundless in that way, like you can. Pro
Speaker 1: wrestling allows you to let people react as we would
Speaker 1: all like to react deep in our souls, you know,
Speaker 1: but we can't because we live in a society and
Speaker 1: unless you want to be a total fucking idiot and
Speaker 1: you have to keep that inside.
Speaker 2: And like and and and I can, I can, And
Speaker 2: it is interesting. It is a very curious thing. I
Speaker 2: will say this. One thing that I think wrestling has
Speaker 2: over any other form of entertainment is that at its best,
Speaker 2: there are at its best, it is a way to
Speaker 2: to to like, see, I take the you know everyone
Speaker 2: everyone Austin McMahon. Okay, everyone loved the idea of, you know,
Speaker 2: being able to beat up their own boss. That was
Speaker 2: the way most people lived vicariously through Steve Austin's They
Speaker 2: would watch this to see, you know, to feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: that's what I want to do my boss. For me
Speaker 2: in high school, that's what I wanted to do to
Speaker 2: my principal, right, sure, any authority, you know, anybody exactly.
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, there was that one you know,
Speaker 2: well not the not the overall principle, but the you know,
Speaker 2: the the dean of the junior, the dean of students juniors,
Speaker 2: and anybody that you felt was abusing their power, right right,
Speaker 2: or at least like didn't let you do what you want?
Speaker 2: Abusing their power? Yeah, well, not necessarily. Sometimes there are
Speaker 2: rules in place in which they're not abusing their power.
Speaker 2: You just don't want to go by the rules, you know,
Speaker 2: And because like I'll say, the Dean, she never fucking
Speaker 2: shed an abuse her power, Like she just followed the rules.
Speaker 2: But you know, when you go to a Catholic high school,
Speaker 2: you don't want to have to fucking tuck your shirt
Speaker 2: in every fucking minute of the day.
Speaker 1: And you tell yourself that if they really wanted to,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to follow that rule to a t
Speaker 1: and nothing would happen to them, right, right, And that
Speaker 1: that that's kind of what I mean by abuse of power.
Speaker 1: It's not that they're going outside the rules, which is
Speaker 1: a great point. I mean that is abusive power is
Speaker 1: when you go extra judicial in a way. But but
Speaker 1: the you know, if anybody can tell you what to do,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to to say, you know, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that. I don't care what the rules say,
Speaker 1: you know, right, And that that's kind of like Vince,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the things that he was
Speaker 1: telling Steve Austin to do in the beginning kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense just coldly on paper. Is if he's the
Speaker 1: guy who runs the organization and wants to keep it,
Speaker 1: you know, respectable or whatever the gimmick was. You know,
Speaker 1: you can understand why he's acting this way, but you also,
Speaker 1: you know, wrestling gives you license to just stomp all
Speaker 1: over that with no consequence, you know, and we can't
Speaker 1: do that in life. You know, there there are people
Speaker 1: who will own us until the day we die. Yep,
Speaker 1: there is no other way to organize a society. That's
Speaker 1: when it lasts. And so agreed, we we navigate it.
Speaker 1: We navigate accordingly. We download the rules of the game,
Speaker 1: and we don't drive ourselves insane trying to pretend that
Speaker 1: we can somehow circumnavigate that that whole thing. We just
Speaker 1: play the game. So good stuff, thought provoking.
Speaker 2: Stuff, now, I yeah, and then they're they're they're parts
Speaker 2: of that that I totally, I totally can agree with,
Speaker 2: But you know, I just think, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: in a weird way, I feel like Bray Wyatt, It's
Speaker 2: wrestling is too deep for him, Like, well, calm down,
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, he got he rest in peace. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed a lot of the stuff that he did,
Speaker 2: But there's a reason that it always hit a wall
Speaker 2: with him because eventually it gets cringe, you know, Eventually
Speaker 2: it's like this is this is calm down, you know, like,
Speaker 2: and most of us are not watching it so that
Speaker 2: we don't go into a depression watching it, right, because
Speaker 2: it can be pretty cool if done well right, And listen,
Speaker 2: all the power to him, because he's the only person
Speaker 2: in the world who could pull off a fucking exactly
Speaker 2: a horror monster character and to that degree, like.
Speaker 1: Off the kind of promos he was cutting, you know,
Speaker 1: just so abstract. And but there's something really kind of
Speaker 1: like sad when wrestling has to be abstract art. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's the one thing that should allowed. It
Speaker 1: should be on the nose. It should be what you
Speaker 1: see is what you get, you know.
Speaker 2: Right because again, like I like I said, I see
Speaker 2: it like a sport. I see it like a fantasy sport, right, Matt, Right, again,
Speaker 2: you see athletes just want to beat each other up.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't hold back in their anger. They
Speaker 2: let their anger take over.
Speaker 1: And there's room for character there, I mean, every sport.
Speaker 1: When you learn about some of the craziest personalities you
Speaker 1: find out Brian Pillman was Brian Pillman in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways before he ever became a pro wrestler of course,
Speaker 1: you know, and football players share a lot in common
Speaker 1: with the wrestlers, as Kim would talked about, So it's
Speaker 1: not like this is unique to wrestling. That you know,
Speaker 1: these people can have characters and successful at their sport.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, somebody wired like Bray was in any
Speaker 1: other sport, it's not going to be a pro. He's
Speaker 1: too scatterbrain, like you can't. So so it kind of
Speaker 1: it starts to get a little ridiculous. And this was
Speaker 1: always Bray's problem when he took that whole thing and
Speaker 1: then try to get in the ring and make us
Speaker 1: care about wins and losses. That there was those spark
Speaker 1: moments where people felt he was so good at his
Speaker 1: care that they wanted to see him get his flowers.
Speaker 1: But wanting someone to win the title to get their
Speaker 1: flowers is a lot different than wanting someone to win
Speaker 1: the title because they fucking rule and you know, right,
Speaker 1: and it's their time and they're finally getting their hands
Speaker 1: on somebody and their opportunity. Bray, it was always like, okay,
Speaker 1: now now he has to wrestle, and everything that makes
Speaker 1: him interesting doesn't translate into a match, right, And when
Speaker 1: they tried to do it, it became a complete shit show, right,
Speaker 1: the right shit show, The Purple Match, what was it,
Speaker 1: the the Mountain Dew black Match, the worms on the canvas.
Speaker 1: They had to do so much of that because it's
Speaker 1: so impossible just to put them in the ring, and
Speaker 1: you have people care you know, right, interesting stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely is on twin Peaks, Chad writes. Once, during
Speaker 1: a vacation of Seattle, a couple of friends and I
Speaker 1: took a twin Peak side trip to Tweet's Cafe, which
Speaker 1: is the real life Double R. Yes, I ordered some
Speaker 1: sort of open faced turkey sandwich. There was so much
Speaker 1: gravy on the plate it must have been a leader.
Speaker 1: My friends were making fun of my choice, so I decided,
Speaker 1: fuck you guys, and I ate the whole including the
Speaker 1: earth gravy.
Speaker 2: Wow, good for you.
Speaker 1: After lunch, I agree, I do like I do. Like
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? Spiteful eating? Yes, there
Speaker 1: is something to be said for Oh you know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do about it? And you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do about all the anxieties that food gives you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to eat right now. Yeah, whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: I want? How about that exactly exactly after.
Speaker 2: Lunch, we lot.
Speaker 1: We hiked down to the bottom of snow call Me Falls.
Speaker 1: It was a steep trail. I knew I was going
Speaker 1: to be in trouble on the way back up.
Speaker 2: Ready to go.
Speaker 1: Nah, I'm enjoying this, let's say for a while, I said,
Speaker 1: But I couldn't keep k fabe forever. And during and
Speaker 1: after the walk back I had the worst heartburn of
Speaker 1: my life. That Solar System was the day I sweated.
Speaker 1: A leader of Brown Wow should have opted for coffee
Speaker 1: and pie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god. That's brutal.
Speaker 1: The stuff that the Twin Peaks Journey is brought out
Speaker 1: of Solar System members. It's quite something to see a
Speaker 1: whole different side. Daniel James done. We want to thank
Speaker 1: you very much for your or his pledge. Welcome into
Speaker 1: the EPT or same to you, Macbuddah, Marty. We appreciate
Speaker 1: the support that piece of shit. Hulkgan followed back up
Speaker 1: and asked why was Shawn's boyhood dream a big deal
Speaker 1: in ninety six but not when he was trying to
Speaker 1: win the Rumble in ninety four or when he actually
Speaker 1: won it in ninety five and got the shot at
Speaker 1: Diesel I call bullshit. I don't think Sean had dreams
Speaker 1: during his boyhood. I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: I also don't think he lost his smile either. I
Speaker 2: think he had it all in a time in his
Speaker 2: pocket right all the time.
Speaker 1: It's true, like when they were building Wrestlmingia twelve, Shawn
Speaker 1: never reflected on the other times he had title shots
Speaker 1: and lost. That wasn't part of it. It was like,
Speaker 1: this is the first time he ever got the title shot.
Speaker 1: I know, well, it was the first time he ever
Speaker 1: had a.
Speaker 2: World title shot as a babyface, right, But that's kind
Speaker 2: of you know, that's kind of his point, like it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been the achievement of a boyhood dream if
Speaker 2: you were a heel and won it. You know, no,
Speaker 2: I guess not because that makes you because I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I agree. I'm not saying he should have said it
Speaker 2: when he was a heel. I'm saying when he was
Speaker 2: a face, maybe reference to failures in the past may
Speaker 2: have made some sense, you know. Yeah, well, no, we
Speaker 2: don't want to acknowledge that stuff. It's a different time
Speaker 2: didn't happen. But pal anything, anything, anything prior to nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four was old generation.
Speaker 1: I think yesterday was anything I want to forget.
Speaker 2: Is right. I think I don't want anything. I don't
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge anymore. Is not ever happened? Also right.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize at first that Sean was calling his
Speaker 1: fans the click. I didn't even know what the word
Speaker 1: click meant. When the April Lank, I know, huh. That
Speaker 1: was the first time I hear you know, you know uh,
Speaker 1: because I I it was. It was so funny I
Speaker 1: heard it. I heard it there. I didn't really know
Speaker 1: what the fuck that meant.
Speaker 2: And my mom, believe it or not, was the one
Speaker 2: who kind of she knew what a clique was, and
Speaker 2: she knew like and she started like, I remember she
Speaker 2: said it one time. So I heard it first with
Speaker 2: Sean Michaels. And then my mom said something about a clique,
Speaker 2: like are you gonna hate? It's just like that, she said,
Speaker 2: you know something. It was like she said, oh, you're
Speaker 2: gonna like hang out with your click or something like that,
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the fuck is it? What
Speaker 2: do you know about clicks? Mom? Exactly are you gonna
Speaker 2: Then she explained to me what a you know, a
Speaker 2: click was kind of like a group or a you know,
Speaker 2: or I mean she put it as a gang.
Speaker 1: But you're not going to buy me that sewn Michael's
Speaker 1: deadam jacket for Christmas?
Speaker 2: Please don't, mom, Please, I have a little bit of
Speaker 2: pride and so yeah, but so like that's what I'm
Speaker 2: And then and then I heard it all the time
Speaker 2: after that, then I heard it all the time, and
Speaker 2: like there was even a group in high school, in
Speaker 2: my high school that people called the Click. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: was like, the fuck?
Speaker 1: Is this ship very very clicky? They sometimes?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: When the upper linkediny six issue of WI magazine arrived
Speaker 1: in my bailbox, he writes, I remember the cover had
Speaker 1: a picture of Seawan Michaels in the headline kicking it
Speaker 1: with the click.
Speaker 2: I remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Since I didn't know what click meant, I thought k
Speaker 1: l i Q you were the call letters of a
Speaker 1: radio station.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, there you go, that's yeah, that works.
Speaker 1: Why is there an article in this magazine about Sean
Speaker 1: Michaels hanging out at a radio.
Speaker 2: Station hanging with you got a kali q pop radio?
Speaker 2: I'll say?
Speaker 1: And I had a wonderful point made here in conclusion.
Speaker 1: German Wrestling had a round system, but Auto vance was
Speaker 1: a round system, or was systemically round, systemically round. Suddenly
Speaker 1: it sounds like an area of academic study. Whenever you
Speaker 1: say something is systemic, all of a sudden there's professors around.
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe, I believe Otto Vance was studied.
Speaker 1: The question is it? The question isn't did it happen?
Speaker 1: The question is is it systemic? Question is is there
Speaker 1: somebody we can blame and displace from the top echelon?
Speaker 1: Is there a secretary or an executive director or a
Speaker 1: CEO that we can get rid of because of this?
Speaker 1: By claiming it is there, always is there, always is,
Speaker 1: looking for that sculp, looking for that scalp.
Speaker 3: You know, wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the
Speaker 3: boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan. He's the
Speaker 3: lapsed fan. Wrestling podcast with.
Speaker 2: Jack, And.
Speaker 1: It was always it's always so funny to me, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, journalists take on politicians all the time, but
Speaker 1: when they do an investigation and they want it to
Speaker 1: be perceived as having consequence, they need politicians more than
Speaker 1: ever because they need someone to submit a bill to
Speaker 1: change the problem that they spotlighted in their reporting. Because
Speaker 1: if no one wants to introduce a law to change
Speaker 1: what it is. They pointed out that it isn't a
Speaker 1: really big deal, now, is it? Strange Bedfellows? Strange bedfellows?
Speaker 1: Chris writes coach chair, as I'm convinced there's a supernatural
Speaker 1: and centrifugal force prompting a twenty twenty five TNH re Listen.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Years after the fact, I see posts from Brandon in
Speaker 1: New Jersey and he's feeling the same left wing vibration
Speaker 1: sweeping the nation. Brother, hide the ball ring around the
Speaker 1: Rosie motion for summary judgment, apropos, Hogan and Bishoff. Everything
Speaker 1: that was once bad is back and worse than ever.
Speaker 1: Those outside the Solar system are finally getting a taste
Speaker 1: of the established lesson that doubling down on the same
Speaker 1: tired formula produces and even shitty result the second time around.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, everyone loses DNH. Pat Addison, we want to
Speaker 1: thank you very much for your increase in pledged. It
Speaker 1: seemed to you Richard Kimmel, thanks very much for stepping
Speaker 1: up in a very big way. Cliff has mort say
Speaker 1: in Royal Rumble ninety six to year co Chairs on
Speaker 1: the Night of Rod rum ninety six, I tried to
Speaker 1: bite my dad's neck. I'm just kidding. It's an old
Speaker 1: you bitter goodie real ones now n ninety six I
Speaker 1: got the biting thing under control. I did, however, have
Speaker 1: another irrational fit of anger. Allow me to explain where
Speaker 1: Rumble ninth ninety six was the first Royal Rumble that
Speaker 1: I was going to watch live on pay per view.
Speaker 1: Like most of the pay per views I'd watched by
Speaker 1: the time, I asked my grandmother if she could ordered
Speaker 1: on TV since she had the pay per view box.
Speaker 1: I paid for it using the money I made from
Speaker 1: mowing lawns the previous summer. The night of the show,
Speaker 1: I gathered at my grandmother's house with her, my grandfather,
Speaker 1: my parents, my sister Carrie, my best friend Tony. When
Speaker 1: eight o'clock came, the pay per view channel was still scrambled.
Speaker 1: Oh God, do we know the struggle? Oh it's the worst. Panic, panic, yep.
Speaker 1: I grew up from every minute counts. At this point,
Speaker 1: my grandmother called the cable company to get the problem fixed,
Speaker 1: but no go. After a while we all realized the problem.
Speaker 2: Wasn't going to be fixed.
Speaker 1: I walked across the street to my house with Carry
Speaker 1: and Tony. Feeling dejected and disappointed, we hung out of
Speaker 1: my sister's room, listening to the show through a scrambled feed.
Speaker 1: It probably wasn't the best idea because all it did
Speaker 1: was remind me that I couldn't watch the show, but
Speaker 1: we listened anyway. When the pre Rumble promos began, I
Speaker 1: was shocked to hear the voice of Jim Cornett speaking
Speaker 1: for his newest charge, Vader. I was confused. The last
Speaker 1: time I had seen Vader he was in WCW and
Speaker 1: had become a good guy, joining Hulkogn's team of Hulk
Speaker 1: a Maniacs for the Wargames match at Fall Brawl the
Speaker 1: previous September. When ww F anounce which I know, and
Speaker 1: that funny that Vader left is a babyface. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Vader Left is an ally of Hulkogan, not his you know,
Speaker 1: chief foil. When WWF announced that Vader would be debuting
Speaker 1: in the Rumble match, I just assumed that he would
Speaker 1: continue to be a face. So you can imagine my
Speaker 1: surprise when I heard Cornett's voice hyping up the mast
Speaker 1: to Don. That surprise quickly turned into anger and with
Speaker 1: the lingering disappointment of not being able to watch the
Speaker 1: show weighing on my heart. My angle anger boiled over
Speaker 1: and I shouted, Vader, you're a trader legendary. Tony just
Speaker 1: looked at me and said, Cliff, come on. Not only
Speaker 1: did I feel betrayed by this fat piece of shit
Speaker 1: by us, I felt embarrassed for acting like such an ass.
Speaker 1: The night wasn't all that bad. My mom ended up
Speaker 1: going to Blockbuster and renting me a wrestling tape. Oh
Speaker 1: that's sweet, so I could at least watch something that night.
Speaker 1: She brought home w W Hollyween Havic nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: Tony and I watched it and decided during the wow
Speaker 1: Arn Anderson Dusty Roads match to have a steel chair match.
Speaker 1: It was really just a pillow fight, but we pretended
Speaker 1: the pillows were steel chairs. I think I lost.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, my grandmother was able to order the replay of
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble two nights later. So you see, there was
Speaker 1: such a thing as happy endings. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about the kind that Robert Kraft got at that day Spond,
Speaker 1: Florida few years back. Yours truly, Cliff, and he says,
Speaker 1: I don't know goes on in New England to catch
Speaker 1: up is entirely appropriate for eggs and eggs sandwhich is
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to do this.
Speaker 2: No, we're not going to do this. Nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 2: you're wrong, You're wrong. Listen. That is the thing about ketchup,
Speaker 2: all right. The thing about ketchup is if if on
Speaker 2: certain foods, it completely overpowers everything. You know, some foods
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It did overpowers it does.
Speaker 1: It really is a condiment that you use when you
Speaker 1: don't like the taste of the food on the plate.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I don't agree with that because I
Speaker 2: love I love French fries with ketchup.
Speaker 1: I love friend, but I love good French fries without ketchup.
Speaker 1: I like decent French fries with ketchup. I no, I
Speaker 1: love French fries with ketchup all the time. Okay, you
Speaker 1: need and and I need and listen, by the way, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need it on a burger listen.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to just just ketchup. I need
Speaker 2: the full you know, I mean a lot of different
Speaker 2: things on on there. But yes, you do, all right,
Speaker 2: you know, listen, I want to ketchup and the mayonnaise
Speaker 2: and the yellow mustard and the relish and then tomato
Speaker 2: and cheese, all that shit. I want to I want
Speaker 2: a loaded burger, but ketchup is a must. Without it,
Speaker 2: there's a weird like and I've had it without it,
Speaker 2: you know, someone you know Sometimes I feel like that,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't really want the ketchup and then
Speaker 2: everything else that I have on it, it just makes
Speaker 2: it too rich. But just having mustard and whatever, it's
Speaker 2: like it's just too rich all of a sudden, and
Speaker 2: like there's the vinegar miss of ketchup cuts that. See.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with what you're saying. But when
Speaker 1: I I hold that against the burger, if it's too
Speaker 1: rich without ketchup, see, I think that burger doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have to be that way. No, it's not the burger though.
Speaker 2: It's it's like if you put the condom, let me listen. Listen.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a burger with nothing, just a cheeseburger
Speaker 2: bread that's it too. That's spectacular and I love that.
Speaker 2: But when I want condiments on it. When I'm feeling condiments,
Speaker 2: I I need to have ketchup on there. I can't
Speaker 2: not have ketchup on there.
Speaker 1: I need ketchup mayonnaise, mayonnaise, ketchup, mustard, raw onion, and moroccan.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, we need any manaise for sure need mannaise
Speaker 2: on there. Mayonnaise is like it's yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 2: miracle worker.
Speaker 1: I've said this before and it's very clear. McDonald's cheeseburger's
Speaker 1: tastes like ketchup, Burger King cheeseburgers tastes like mustard, Wendy's
Speaker 1: cheeseburgers taste like mayo. And that's that's the So whatever
Speaker 1: fast food chain you grew up eating the most, that's
Speaker 1: what you want in your burger. That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you're not wrong. You're not
Speaker 2: wrong with that, and uh it's just uh yeah, there
Speaker 2: are there are some things, you know, ketchup is it.
Speaker 2: I'm picky with it, like I can't just have it,
Speaker 2: like I can't and I usually can't have it alone,
Speaker 2: you know, like I can't have it alone. I need
Speaker 2: to have something else with it. Except with French fries,
Speaker 2: French frise, I can have ketchup and it's it's wonderful.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess, I guess we are going to
Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, we are doing this. You can't. You
Speaker 2: can't put it on the table. Listen, it's there, it's there,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be it's gotta be cattle, all right.
Speaker 1: So rolling on here, because Rob, he put a lot
Speaker 1: of work into this, boss, and I know we don't
Speaker 1: always like to encourage this, but he makes a hell
Speaker 1: of a case. He says, the Fantastic Four movie qualifies
Speaker 1: for Under the Cinema? Which one you're about to find out? Oh,
Speaker 1: you can convey his uh, his findings.
Speaker 2: All right, let's see, let's see him dear openers of
Speaker 2: my anus, Like you know, I picture you got one hand,
Speaker 2: I got the other. Like we just let's go, Rob. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like a real bitch. What do I to start?
Speaker 2: Because I'm rewriting you an email last May I wrote
Speaker 2: into my favorite college podcast and it was pretty cool
Speaker 2: to hear Jack read out my name in the summer
Speaker 2: mail bag. But the excitement ended right there when the
Speaker 2: email itself disappeared quicker than the tag team of Kwang
Speaker 2: and Hakushi in nineteen ninety five. So here, I am
Speaker 2: pathetically rewriting that email to you guys, like the absolute
Speaker 2: bitch that I am feeling like I've called a girl
Speaker 2: on the phone, She's hung up on me, and now
Speaker 2: I'm calling your back. Ah, you know, I would you know?
Speaker 2: I think the line's good. Disconnected. I do this mainly
Speaker 2: because I saw the latest trailer for the new Fantastic
Speaker 2: Four movie and realized I had some info that might
Speaker 2: be of use to under the cinema and the solar
Speaker 2: system at large. I've hesitated to send an email like
Speaker 2: for fear You'll think I'm looking for some free promotion
Speaker 2: in advertising. Just do it. Just do it. Won't make
Speaker 2: that decision. Just do it. I wouldn't dare. I'm well
Speaker 2: aware I don't have that PAPS money. But hearing about
Speaker 2: the whole ballgame in recent episodes, I thought the Chairman
Speaker 2: would got a kick out of hearing about another one
Speaker 2: of their podcast children outside the world of wrestling. For
Speaker 2: four years now, the Marvel versus Marvel podcast has been
Speaker 2: applying a good, healthy chunk of that TLF approach to
Speaker 2: the world of Marvel movies and the long history of
Speaker 2: the Collic books that inspired them. Hmmm, that's interesting. From
Speaker 2: the beloved greats like Sam Raimi, Spider Man two, the
Speaker 2: Avengers in Infinity War, to the terrible failures like Morbiasts
Speaker 2: and Madam Webb, to overlook slices of history like Howard
Speaker 2: the Duck, the Japanese spider Man TV show from the seventies,
Speaker 2: and the failed, low budget nineteen nineties Captain America movie
Speaker 2: starring the son of J. D. Salinger as Captain America.
Speaker 2: It's like TLF. We have no we leave no fucking
Speaker 2: stone on the turn. That's right. I've been a member
Speaker 2: of the Solar system since not quite day one. I
Speaker 2: jumped board during the WrestleMania journey, and since then, I've
Speaker 2: been letting this college podcast ran my rear end to
Speaker 2: an embarrassing degree. Hey, listen, what have we done? Yeah, listen,
Speaker 2: we've done the right thing that we have. I ruined
Speaker 2: an entire family holiday for myself by spending it going
Speaker 2: through the truly emotional Owen Hard episode telling my seven
Speaker 2: year old niece to blame Martha Hart's book for why
Speaker 2: I'm in no mood for family fun time. Please not
Speaker 2: recommend it recommended, but not at that time of year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the pandemic ruined my life. I'm a comedy writer.
Speaker 2: I've written for TV and radio shows in the UK,
Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of the year working with
Speaker 2: comedians on their tours and on shows for the Edinburgh
Speaker 2: Film Fringe Festival. But my job took a beating once
Speaker 2: COVID brought us a pain across the Pacific and shut
Speaker 2: everything down. During the UK lockdown, we were only allowed
Speaker 2: to leave the house once a day for an hour
Speaker 2: to exercise. For you fucking prisoners, you're fucking outdoors time
Speaker 2: to exercise or do some essential shopping quote essential shopping
Speaker 2: to help stave off cavin fever and true madness. I
Speaker 2: began binging the laps fan from the very beginning, but
Speaker 2: I knew I needed more. I needed everything else to
Speaker 2: occupy my mind than the same way that TLF occupies
Speaker 2: my ass. It's like a you know, it's like a
Speaker 2: like a like a like an insect that kind of
Speaker 2: finds a little you know, like a like a carpenter bee.
Speaker 2: You know, it's good. That's what we are. Like, we're
Speaker 2: like carpenter be's, you know, he's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: we burrow a little bit and kind of like nestle inside.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to know the ass stuff lands with
Speaker 1: a professional comedy writer.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and once again TLF showed me the way. Of course,
Speaker 2: I couldn't do a wrestling podcast. I couldn't follow them
Speaker 2: directly in your massive footsteps for fear coming the Greg
Speaker 2: Gagny of the podcasting world. I've had two obsessions in
Speaker 2: my life, wrestling in comics. My parents even taught me
Speaker 2: to read using Marvel comics. They'd wipe out Spider Man
Speaker 2: word balloons and then write in simple things for me
Speaker 2: to read, like dog and ball That's pretty cool, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a nice idea. One of the things I loved about
Speaker 2: early TLF shows is that it very much feels like
Speaker 2: an expert in the ins and outs of an industry
Speaker 2: discussing shows with a die hard fan to get the
Speaker 2: two perspectives. So, as a Marvel expert of nearly forty years,
Speaker 2: I got together with a friend who likes the movies
Speaker 2: but has never read a Marvel comic in his life.
Speaker 2: Answering all those questions, it's great and hopefully achieving the
Speaker 2: true yin Yang of the fan experience. We had no
Speaker 2: idea how to put a podcast together. The first few
Speaker 2: episodes were a shambalic mess, until eventually I decided to
Speaker 2: borrow liberally from the format of The Men who Were
Speaker 2: going to town on my ass like a used chew
Speaker 2: toy do daycare yep. Every show starts with us exploring
Speaker 2: the production history of the movie, the behind the scenes
Speaker 2: shoes between Disney and Universal, the failed Marvel projects from
Speaker 2: Jim Cameron and Darren Aronofsky, the rewrites, the friction between
Speaker 2: cast members, and everything else. Then we take a look
Speaker 2: at the business side of the comic books and how
Speaker 2: these characters were created, how Marvel Comics got started, and
Speaker 2: how the X Men and Hulk were failure to begin with,
Speaker 2: the fights between the publishers and the creators, and the
Speaker 2: legendary artists who died in poverty while their creations became
Speaker 2: beloved billion dollar intellectual properties. Like William Reegal says, don't
Speaker 2: ever forget it's a bent business. And then, just like
Speaker 2: my beloved TLF and just like the whole ballgame, we
Speaker 2: deep dive of an entire movie or TV show to
Speaker 2: pull apart the great moments and the terrible one, stopping
Speaker 2: along the way to explore comic book history and trivia
Speaker 2: along the way. We're a modest little podcast, but the
Speaker 2: format we took from this Goddamn College podcast has helped
Speaker 2: us attract an audience for four years and deliver over
Speaker 2: one hundred episodes. We've been able to run some small
Speaker 2: live shows, meet our listeners, and even won the Best
Speaker 2: Live Podcast award at the Nice Good Comedy Felt. The
Speaker 2: big part of that is thanks to the inspiration from
Speaker 2: your podcast. Sure, when we started, everyone told us that
Speaker 2: long form podcasting was a big mistake. Welcome. Fuck Uh,
Speaker 2: they ain't worse shit, Yeah exactly, But TLF did it,
Speaker 2: so we went from ninety minute episodes to four hour episodes.
Speaker 2: Your commitment to telling the whole story informed how we
Speaker 2: approached our subjects. We wanted each episode to be the
Speaker 2: definitive account on each movie in character. Your mantra of
Speaker 2: no sacred cows informs how we report the history between
Speaker 2: companies and powerless creators and helps us call out the
Speaker 2: history of Marvel that is often racist and sexist. I
Speaker 2: even beg for Patreon support by browbeating the cheap listeners
Speaker 2: who don't support us and telling them they need to
Speaker 2: do the right thing, which I ripped directly from TLF. Hey,
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. You know, like you know, good writers borrow,
Speaker 2: great writers steal.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, proof of concept just keeps rolling in, folks.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else we can say.
Speaker 2: Last year we celebrated one hundred episodes, and soon we'll
Speaker 2: be marking five years of making shows, and a large
Speaker 2: part of that modest success comes down to the from
Speaker 2: the TLF inspiration. Now, obviously we're not going to tell
Speaker 2: the boss Man about wrestlers who've appeared in the Marvel movies.
Speaker 2: He's all over that front of the cinemat. But do
Speaker 2: the Chairman know about the uc WF in the Marvel comics?
Speaker 2: In the Marvel comics, there is a federation for wrestlers
Speaker 2: with superhuman strength called Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation. That's better
Speaker 2: than World Class. I guess so Unlimited Class, that's kind
Speaker 2: of and included Ben Grimm aka the Thing from the
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four as one of the wrestlers. The UCWF first
Speaker 2: appeared in Marvel Comics just three months after WrestleMania one.
Speaker 2: And what was happening in that first UCWF story. It's
Speaker 2: about how most of the wrestlers were hooked on a
Speaker 2: dangerous drug to give them super strength for wrestling just
Speaker 2: three months after the first Mania. This was such a
Speaker 2: prevalent thought in the public's mind that it could form
Speaker 2: the basis of a comic book for kids. So I
Speaker 2: submit for consideration that Under the Cinemat can include any
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four movie as it features UCWF wrestler Ben Grimm,
Speaker 2: as well as the twenty twenty one movie Eternals, as
Speaker 2: the character Icarus played by Richard Madden also laced boots
Speaker 2: for Marvel's Corrupt Wrestling Company. Thanks for ten years of
Speaker 2: TLF and thanks for years I thanks for four years
Speaker 2: of MVM. Well that's interesting. That's an interesting thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was worth passing on because that's
Speaker 1: kind of something we never would have We would have
Speaker 1: just looked at the cast list, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, like does does the character like? Because because,
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, like it is kind of an
Speaker 2: interesting thing because with comics translating into films, it's a
Speaker 2: whole different it's a whole different kind of beasts. So
Speaker 2: I wonder that if I kind of using even though
Speaker 2: like the I don't know how they're going to do
Speaker 2: this new Fantastic Four movie, but in the Fantastic Four
Speaker 2: movies that they've done already, there is no mention of
Speaker 2: the wrestling. But does because the wrestling, because the character
Speaker 2: in the comics wrestled, does that make it qualify. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a great question. It's an interesting it's not I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. It's definitely something I'm going to consider.
Speaker 1: Robin followed up with a tremendous piece of proof. Take
Speaker 1: a look at what I just sent you. This is
Speaker 1: from a nineteen seventy two thing comic.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. This is the way Dory Funk starts wrestling matches.
Speaker 2: And if it's a good enough for the champ, it's
Speaker 2: good enough for old Benjamin Grimm. He's fighting a hulk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's thing talking. And they reference Dory Funk Junior.
Speaker 2: Is that fucking Matt Murdoch down there? I think so,
Speaker 2: Like down there with the cane and the glasses, I
Speaker 2: think that is Matt Murdock. That's very interesting. I do not.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I need to look this thing up the
Speaker 2: u c WF. This is I've never heard this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds definitely like a little side project for sure.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Maybe we could call upon the expertise that we know
Speaker 1: is out there in the solar system around comics and
Speaker 1: really make that one say.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's wild. Are you ready for this? Are you
Speaker 2: ready for this? I'm just stumbling upon this here. What
Speaker 2: the fuck? The Grapplers is a fictional organization appearing in
Speaker 2: American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is a
Speaker 2: loosely organized group of female wrestlers, most of whom game
Speaker 2: superhuman strength to the group known as power Broker in
Speaker 2: corporate I've never fucking heard of this shit. Well I'm
Speaker 2: not like, listen, I love comics, but I'm not like,
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert in it. So this is this
Speaker 2: is wild. Yeah. The thing is that they've got it's
Speaker 2: got a bunch of different kind of you know, wiki
Speaker 2: wiki pages, it is. It is really cool.
Speaker 1: I love instances of how wrestling is mainstreamed before Hogan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I adore those examples because it runs so counter to
Speaker 1: the narrative that like, only you know, weirdo wrestling fans
Speaker 1: knew who the big wrestlers were before rock and Wrestling,
Speaker 1: and it's such bullshit. You know, It's like they're wrestling
Speaker 1: fans everywhere, including people at Marvel. And if you drop that,
Speaker 1: if you drop that reference in a Fantastic four comic
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two. You have to think that most
Speaker 1: people would know who Dori Funk Junior is, Like, yep,
Speaker 1: there's no way you just say that. So I think
Speaker 1: it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: They list forty nine members. This is a Marvel fandom,
Speaker 2: the Marvel fandom wiki, and they list forty nine comic
Speaker 2: book characters who from specifically from the Earth six one
Speaker 2: six the universe, which I believe Earth six from six
Speaker 2: is the real is like our Earth right, And let
Speaker 2: me see here who I reckon? I Ben Grimm, the
Speaker 2: Beyonder is one. Let me see. I don't know them.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. So were you a big Fantastic
Speaker 2: four guy? No, not really. I mean, like you know,
Speaker 2: when I was when I was uh uh, when I
Speaker 2: when I was a kid reading comics, I was definitely
Speaker 2: a DC guy. I mean, Batman, Superman, those are my things.
Speaker 2: I liked X Men two, but definitely was a was
Speaker 2: a Sharon Ventura, I Wonder, I Wonder and slaughter Boy.
Speaker 2: There's some little uh, there's some there's some names in
Speaker 2: here that make me make me think that they're getting
Speaker 2: some uh, you know, some inspiration from from some folks
Speaker 2: in the ring. Joseph Hogan brother, right, I mean Joe Hogan,
Speaker 2: who's talking to dude, Joe Hogan brother? What Joe Hogan
Speaker 2: is gonna fly? Actually? But like you know, more recently,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely more into Marvel comics and stuff and the movies.
Speaker 2: Really I did that. I love the movies. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very forgiving of most of the movies, even the crappy
Speaker 2: ones that are currently being made. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: a you know, there's I want to say, you know,
Speaker 2: there's uh, there's stuff bruin. So maybe I'll be in
Speaker 2: touch with Rob at some point. There's stuff bruin. I
Speaker 2: love it.
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Speaker 2: paranoid hogan. Brother, why are you making that turn? Dude?
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Speaker 2: do you mean left? Brother? I mean yeah. People would
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Speaker 1: looks like a guy who comes to the restaurant to
Speaker 1: set up your POS system with a blazer on over
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Speaker 2: I felt that. No, I don't know, I just had this.
Speaker 2: I just had this, like.
Speaker 1: This image in my mind of somebody that like is
Speaker 1: at a restaurant at two point thirty in a blazer
Speaker 1: on a on a Tuesday, because he's working on the
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, He's not there. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: deserved it, right, I love I love the thought of
Speaker 1: a listener hearing something we say and just looking down
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Speaker 2: Being like, oh shit, I know right, like just called
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Speaker 2: could be the exception of the rule. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you will.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you are everything we always say. Let me make
Speaker 1: this proviso. I can't believe it took us ten years
Speaker 1: to say this. Everything we ever say is always present,
Speaker 1: company excluded. That's right, Jeff says, we need to list
Speaker 1: out every wrestler who's used their fat rolls to store
Speaker 1: food in eleven years of laughs. Oh shit, he says,
Speaker 1: hulk HOGI is a food truck at the farmer's market
Speaker 1: where everyone looks like Jeremy Allen White.
Speaker 2: That's good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, that's right. I'd be right with like
Speaker 2: it's like with Rosemary jam It's like right and uh
Speaker 2: and uh sprouts, Yeah, okay, stop, its fucking mess is
Speaker 2: what it is. Whenever, whenever Sprouts is involved, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: throw it in somebody's face. It is always very forced.
Speaker 2: It is I great sucks sprout like, don't don't fucking
Speaker 2: give me spear.
Speaker 1: Here's a sandwich. Let's make it taste like grass.
Speaker 2: Listen, I want to have eight a sandwich that tastes
Speaker 2: like you know, what a fucking human being would eat,
Speaker 2: not this fucking sprout, what a rabbit would eat. Right,
Speaker 2: Eric Holman's thank you for that big plage.
Speaker 1: Eric, We appreciate that very good stuff. Carla Wright sad
Speaker 1: demize for the luscious one. Luscius Johnny Valiant. Everything tracks
Speaker 1: tragic and fatal collision. But then five thirty am puts
Speaker 1: a whole other spin on it, another world, black, whole
Speaker 1: of time. Five thirty am, he was valiant while staring
Speaker 1: down the headlights, no doubt. For those who don't know,
Speaker 1: he is run over by I think a bus and killed.
Speaker 1: And for close listeners of this American work, Jesus. For
Speaker 1: close listeners of this American work. Who knows the kind
Speaker 1: of admiration one Vince Junior had for the Valiants, and
Speaker 1: and and Jerry in particular. One does wonder if that
Speaker 1: that fatal crash was ever fully investigated.
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Speaker 1: Jpiro Carlo also says, I'm popping like good old or
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Speaker 1: Bruno San Martino.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, yes see.
Speaker 1: He says, the more I'm exposed to his personality, the
Speaker 1: more Monsoon comes across as the JB l of his era.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I did read that some of the talent.
Speaker 1: I think this was like in The Observer, anonymously sourced
Speaker 1: at the time. But part of the reason people did
Speaker 1: like Goerrilla and commentary is because the talent was told
Speaker 1: to only hook the leg if it was the actual fall,
Speaker 1: and Gorilla would come on, deviate, rip you to shreds
Speaker 1: for not hooking the leg on every pin, just so
Speaker 1: he could like look cool to predict ahead of time
Speaker 1: that it wasn't the finish, you know, kind of getting
Speaker 1: himself over as prusciant, you know, and a sage observer
Speaker 1: of the wrestling that's going on.
Speaker 2: I thought that's funny. I have no problem with that.
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with that. He's allowed to do that.
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's he's sacred. I will say that, girl,
Speaker 2: Monsoon is sacred. Nothing you can do about him, He'll
Speaker 2: always be that way. There you go, no matter how,
Speaker 2: no matter how much you fucking hate his commentary. Don't care.
Speaker 2: Don't care, because he is a fucking he's yeah, don't care.
Speaker 1: I can see old Italian ladies having paintings of him
Speaker 1: hanging out.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. Perhaps, of course they did, of
Speaker 2: course they did.
Speaker 1: Saint Marilla uh Steve says in Ireland, I think that
Speaker 1: w W Legends book and I didn't bother to look
Speaker 1: it up also has the story that hay Stacks Calhoun
Speaker 1: crushed to death his pet dog when he rolled on
Speaker 1: top of it in bed. Also popped at Boss's disgust
Speaker 1: that Oakerland's appearances. It has always been a joke in
Speaker 1: my family that my Gene Oakland is my dad's skinnier doppelganger.
Speaker 2: That's pretty fun, that's funny.
Speaker 1: This is the reason Pedro went back to WWF. This
Speaker 1: is in the Colosseum collection where we were kind of
Speaker 1: seeing eighty six stuff. The reason Padro Morales went back
Speaker 1: to w WF could have been because of a couple
Speaker 1: of bad territory runs in the Carolinas in Florida where
Speaker 1: he didn't have the work rate to make it higher
Speaker 1: up the card. I've seen results for JCP from the
Speaker 1: early eighties that have Pedro in the opening match. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I don't think he ever was,
Speaker 1: you know, committed to go into that territory full time.
Speaker 1: It started to happen was as things got super intense
Speaker 1: between Crockett and Vince in eighty five, after Crockett took
Speaker 1: over TBS from Georgia, well they bought it from Vince,
Speaker 1: and so it was fucking war at that point because
Speaker 1: Vince failed on TBS and that can't happen right, And
Speaker 1: Vince started to run a lot of you know, Georgia
Speaker 1: cities and Georgia Championshiprestling cities in mid Atlantic cities and
Speaker 1: start trying to push in those areas. They tried to
Speaker 1: clap back and go into the Northeast. They went to
Speaker 1: Philly a lot, they went to Boston a lot, did Crockett.
Speaker 1: And what they would do is they would they would
Speaker 1: pretty much sign up anybody who used to be used
Speaker 1: to be a top guy in the garden who wasn't
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, with Vince anymore. So you'll see a
Speaker 1: lot of those old JCP results with Backland having one
Speaker 1: off matches. You'll see Pedro, You'll even see Brunos San Martino.
Speaker 1: I think a couple of times. I know Bruno went
Speaker 1: to Georgia in the early eighties with his son, like
Speaker 1: eighty two or so. He was on TBS when he
Speaker 1: was on the outs with Vince, with the McMahons, and
Speaker 1: and so that's more what it was. It was more
Speaker 1: and they would put Carlos Cologne in those cards to
Speaker 1: try to get the Porto Rican fans in the northeast
Speaker 1: to come out. That's that's more what it was. It
Speaker 1: was just like when they're in the Northeast, they would
Speaker 1: call these guys up. They wouldn't go, you know, they
Speaker 1: weren't working fucking Winston Salem and you know, Greenspo or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Ryan writes, nobody getting limited from a
Speaker 1: rumble until the end sounds like a terrible idea. Oh well,
Speaker 1: got to see it once. Yeah, Yeah, We've had so
Speaker 1: many rumbles that now any any novelty that's left, I
Speaker 1: just want to lay eyes on it, even if it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a good idea. Yep, haystex Caloon points
Speaker 1: out very smartly that the we're talking about Scotland, and
Speaker 1: how the hell does our Arnold Scoland get pronounced that way?
Speaker 1: He says, the double a in Scoland is an alternative
Speaker 1: spelling for a with the accent mark on it, which
Speaker 1: sounds more or less like oh oh h in English.
Speaker 1: So whenever you see double as, if you are to
Speaker 1: pronounce it like an oh Scoland.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so far you're telling you stuff that I
Speaker 2: don't find acceptable.
Speaker 1: If you're wondering if it checks out, the answer is no.
Speaker 1: Christopher writes on the Colisseum collection, this is a unique journey.
Speaker 1: It's the journey we all took his VHS sluts. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's the journey of ww's video production and marketing machinations.
Speaker 1: And it's the journey of what the public would see
Speaker 1: in the video shops and aisles while they shook their
Speaker 1: heads and walked away.
Speaker 2: What does this? What's this world coming? You know?
Speaker 1: They have the wrestling now on video. I was at
Speaker 1: the grocery store today I saw hul Cogan. They had
Speaker 1: one with a luel Bano is that his name?
Speaker 2: Like? What is this? What's this world coming to? Where
Speaker 2: this stuff is put out for public consumption? I couldn't
Speaker 2: help ask myself who's renting this stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, like deviance. All right, Mary,
Speaker 1: I almost asked to talk to the manager. I'm serious.
Speaker 2: I listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna make a petition. All right, We're
Speaker 2: gonna this is this is not happening in my town.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna take Listen, no supermarket that I
Speaker 2: go to is gonna have that fake ship right out
Speaker 2: in front where where where people were good, We're good.
Speaker 1: This is going from people. This is going from shaking
Speaker 1: your head to militant acted. This is getting very strange.
Speaker 1: Decent people, okay, good decent people.
Speaker 2: When did wrestling hurt you? Pal? I'd like to recruit you.
Speaker 2: I like to make you a reporter of mine, please.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like the way you sing, and I heard you
Speaker 1: got you got some concerns that very much aligned with
Speaker 1: editorial stance on this wrestling stuff. Not for nothing, Legion
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Speaker 1: co chairs, first time, long time. I just want to
Speaker 1: pass along little newspaper blurb from nineteen ninety three about
Speaker 1: the Holkstore attending a bass fishing tournament on Lake Minnetonka.
Speaker 1: Figured you guys would a kick out of it. I
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder if he stopped to visit the
Speaker 1: Ghania estate while he was there, and if Old Verne
Speaker 1: tried to take ninety percent of the fish caught thanks
Speaker 1: Rob A glory to the war Lord, ol glory to
Speaker 1: the Warlord. He said, I can't disagree with that. I
Speaker 1: want to send to you just so you can soak
Speaker 1: it in. It's not it's not a full article. It's
Speaker 1: just a picture of him standing up on a boat.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks, honestly, it almost looks like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. It's an event he's appearing at,
Speaker 1: but I would say he's on set for a thunder
Speaker 1: and paradise almost the way he's dressed. Hulk line, hulk
Speaker 1: line and sinker.
Speaker 2: It says, oh my god, fresh and resident hulk Hogan
Speaker 2: Center scan the waters of Lake Menatonka on Wednesday during
Speaker 2: a pro am segment on the fourth annual Don Shelby
Speaker 2: US Invitational Bass Tournaments Go. The event, which begins and
Speaker 2: earns today, raises money for the Ronald McDonald House, a
Speaker 2: program that offers a home away from home for families
Speaker 2: of children who are hospitalized for treatment for cancer and
Speaker 2: other blood related diseases. On board with Hogan was pro
Speaker 2: Best fisherman Ted Capra left and Twin Cities business man
Speaker 2: Irwin Jacobs. Erwin Jacob's like on the fucking cell phone, like,
Speaker 2: get me the fuck out of here, honey.
Speaker 1: You won't believe who I was on the boat with today.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was he was you know the day.
Speaker 2: Remember we used to go see him at the uh
Speaker 2: you know in in uh, you know, Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: We saw him in the in the ring, you have
Speaker 1: to say, at the Civic Center. We saw he blew
Speaker 1: the roof off the place. Roof, he sure did. Were
Speaker 1: you talking to Cogan? Hul Cogan raising money here for
Speaker 1: the Ronald McDonald House. Vad are raising money for McDonald's.
Speaker 2: Crazy money to eat Ronald mcgradlem. Yeah. You can either
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Speaker 2: eat McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: the point of winning the Rumble is to get a
Speaker 1: world title shot at WrestleMania. So giving a title shot
Speaker 1: to the runner up before the winner gets their shot
Speaker 1: defeats the purpose. What makes the concept specialist the guarantee.
Speaker 2: No, it's the guarantee of the main event in WrestleMania
Speaker 2: to get a title shot.
Speaker 1: The idea think it's making the champions next title defense
Speaker 1: against the Rumble winner a date with destiny.
Speaker 2: No, it's the idea that whoever, because the idea is
Speaker 2: that you could. No, I disagree, because the idea is
Speaker 2: that the way they've always said it and the way
Speaker 2: it's been perceived, he's going to WrestleMania. Is that what WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: Winning the championship at WrestleMania is in the main event
Speaker 2: of WrestleMania is a bigger deal than winning in the
Speaker 2: main event of any other show. Yes, if you win it,
Speaker 2: then you're crowned a true like legend. If you win
Speaker 2: it anywhere else, fine, but WrestleMania is the place where
Speaker 2: you get I mean think about mc foley. Mcfoley, the
Speaker 2: same fucking thing. He said this, and and and he
Speaker 2: said uhh. When after he lost his career match to
Speaker 2: Triple H, he said, the one thing I never did
Speaker 2: was main event WrestleMania. Yes, cm Punk, the one thing
Speaker 2: I didn't do was main event WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to know something? Boss quickly on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: him versus Roman Verse, Seth and a triple threat is
Speaker 1: the night one main event and he is. Cmpunk has
Speaker 1: been on TV crying that he achieved his dream of
Speaker 1: main eventing. But you're not, dude, Come on, man, like
Speaker 1: that was the one thing we were supposed to be
Speaker 1: able to count on cmpunk for that. He wouldn't lean
Speaker 1: in to a bullshit narrative even if it flattered him,
Speaker 1: you know, like he would he would absolutely not rest
Speaker 1: until he knew that he was actually fuck If this
Speaker 1: is the main event, then he may evented against Undertaker
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. It's the same position. If it was
Speaker 1: one night, it'd be the Komain. It is the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: It wouldn't give me right break. This night one main
Speaker 1: event ship makes me absolutely sick.
Speaker 2: To my stomach. I don't I don't. I don't mind
Speaker 2: it if it's done with something. You know that, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mind it, like I don't mind it. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what what what bothers me is? I think it's
Speaker 2: an opportunity every year to have the women main event
Speaker 2: a WrestleMania. Yeah, fine, night they should do that. I
Speaker 2: think I think the main event should always a night one.
Speaker 2: Top two would always be right the or no championship
Speaker 2: match wherever it is, Championship match women and then championship
Speaker 2: match men. That's what that should be. It shouldn't be
Speaker 2: this change of the ship like just settle it. It
Speaker 2: needs to be one of those two things.
Speaker 1: I mean, God bless Sammy's ain, but like him and
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens versus USO's it was a highly anticipated match. Sure,
Speaker 1: Sammy Say's walking around calling himself the main event. Do
Speaker 1: you think a tag title match will ever headline WrestleMania. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought Hogan and Beefcake versus Money Inc. Was going
Speaker 1: to and it didn't for a reason because it's not
Speaker 1: a main event.
Speaker 2: Well, well, because Hogan needed was gonna win the title anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I wonder I wonder if Brett was
Speaker 1: gonna if Yoko was just gonna win, or if Brett
Speaker 1: was going to retain, if they would have done that,
Speaker 1: if they would have put Hogan on for last, I
Speaker 1: still somehow can bet.
Speaker 2: If they if they were better, if they if they
Speaker 2: were gonna have Yoko's going to win and win actually
Speaker 2: win the title, then then they would have probably had
Speaker 2: Hogan and the tag titles going last.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a WrestleMania nine documentary coming out soon on Peacock.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get some hints.
Speaker 2: No, that's very interesting. I mean, I know, like the
Speaker 2: reason they're doing that is because of Vegas Vegas, but
Speaker 2: like it's like, of all the fucking WrestleManias, I.
Speaker 1: Think that was one where they actually like kind of
Speaker 1: like Wrestlmingia nineteen, where they went in with a with
Speaker 1: a game plan and make a documentary so they have
Speaker 1: the footage. I think the other ones it's probably very
Speaker 1: scattershot because I don't think they went into every WrestleMania
Speaker 1: shooting the you know, the preparation, because this one was
Speaker 1: like way over the top in terms of like pageantry,
Speaker 1: you know the result of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they needed to do something for the fact
Speaker 2: that that they were going from like, what was it like,
Speaker 2: like sixty thousand people or whatever, or forty thousand people
Speaker 2: at wrestlming eight to like ten people. It's terrible in
Speaker 2: fucking Vegas. Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: Definitely see its ordering a documentary to like compensate for that. Like,
Speaker 1: this is actually bigger than anything we've ever done.
Speaker 2: We need to ramp it up. This is Vegas now,
Speaker 2: you know we're not talking about Yes, indeed, maybe we
Speaker 2: have a smaller crowd, but you know, in terms of grandeur, right,
Speaker 2: I mean the camels, look at the cameras then everything,
Speaker 2: this is the most This is the most extravagant wrestlemaning
Speaker 2: we've ever had.
Speaker 1: We are show business, Yes, somebody are the Biz show.
Speaker 1: Someone said as a clip events on bite this when
Speaker 1: they had that show of him saying that if there
Speaker 1: was one thing that could bring the Jews in the
Speaker 1: Arabs together, it was WWF.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But to go back to the thing,
Speaker 2: I don't mind because because the whole thing about the
Speaker 2: it's like they always said, they'll meet whoever is champion
Speaker 2: because the idea originally, the idea originally was that the
Speaker 2: champion was defending the belt almost every night on the
Speaker 2: road it's like Brett Hart, even though we're not seeing
Speaker 2: televised matches, he is supposed to be defending the belt
Speaker 2: every night on the road. He doesn't defend in thirty
Speaker 2: days and more than thirty days exactly, so and he
Speaker 2: could potentially lose the belt on the road, you know.
Speaker 2: And so Yokozuna in ninety three would have faced whoever
Speaker 2: was champion in the main event of WrestleMania. So I
Speaker 2: understand the point. And I know you've argued that they
Speaker 2: shouldn't have a show in between, and da da da da.
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I mean, I I think it
Speaker 2: only serves. It serves the current time where you've got
Speaker 2: like eighteen thousand world champions and so you need to
Speaker 2: like set up contenders. So I don't mind elimination chamber.
Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know, I think it would
Speaker 2: be a unique idea to have the just that the
Speaker 2: you know, then they then then like the runner up,
Speaker 2: they get an opportunity to main event WrestleMania if they
Speaker 2: win the championship, which you know, depending on the situation,
Speaker 2: it's a different way to Mania. But everyone trying to
Speaker 2: get to Mania, not to the Bell right, which seems weird,
Speaker 2: but well, no, I think everyone. I think people want Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that there is a weird thing that everyone
Speaker 2: wants to go WrestleMania, which I think is stupid. But
Speaker 2: I think the because like especially because it's not like
Speaker 2: you're not going to be at WrestleMania. Yeah, like you're
Speaker 2: going to beat WrestleMania. We know that, So just act
Speaker 2: like you are going to be a WrestleMania. The idea
Speaker 2: is that you want to be in the main event
Speaker 2: of WrestleMania, and you want to be in the main
Speaker 2: event to win and not and you want to be
Speaker 2: in the main event going for the gold. That's that's
Speaker 2: what the Royal Rumbles about. Yeah, the Royal Rumble is
Speaker 2: is and the fact that you know, the fact that
Speaker 2: it's not happening is stupid. I don't like when they
Speaker 2: have someone win the Rumble who is not going to
Speaker 2: even though I don't want, I didn't want seeing it
Speaker 2: to win a third Rumble because I like Austin having
Speaker 2: that that that that record. I still think I still
Speaker 2: think he should not have he should have won it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know storyline purposes, it wouldn't have worked,
Speaker 2: but I still think you should have won it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and because you know it'd be one.
Speaker 1: Thing if Jay vers Guntu was going to be Night
Speaker 1: one main event, right and you were trying to actually
Speaker 1: make a straight faced case that both world titles are
Speaker 1: on equal footing. But if you're not even going to
Speaker 1: put that as the main event of Night one, what
Speaker 1: you know, who's Who's Who's shitn't who here?
Speaker 2: And and honestly too, like the Sampunk doesn't want a
Speaker 2: main event WrestleMania. He wants to be in a world
Speaker 2: title match with the main event Wrestleman.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows what Sampunk wants was to win the Rumble
Speaker 1: and then he wants to beat the top guy in
Speaker 1: the company wrestle Everyone knows that to be in the
Speaker 1: main event WrestleMania, it means you're in a world title
Speaker 1: match one on one. That's what being in the main
Speaker 1: event wrestlemanium could be a triple threat. But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, right right? See if we know what
Speaker 1: it is, and you know what, it's not Sean Michael's undertaker. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's not the main event WrestleMania, even though it went
Speaker 1: on last Like to me, that never is the case.
Speaker 2: It's just so I don't again. The idea is that
Speaker 2: the champions supposed to be defending their titles on a
Speaker 2: regular basis, again thirty day things, so they have to
Speaker 2: defend the title, and so they have to defend him
Speaker 2: a certain point. I don't know. I mean, listen, I
Speaker 2: I appreciate your your opinion. It's wrong, but that's the
Speaker 2: way it is. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm revising my stance on Chamber in a way because
Speaker 1: I'm seeing how much they're struggling to keep the scene
Speaker 1: of thing hot between Chamber and Mania. If they did
Speaker 1: this at Rumble, oh my god, they would, they would.
Speaker 1: They would go stir crazy trying to find ways to
Speaker 1: extend this thing for two months.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I listen, I don't that's because they put
Speaker 2: him on TV. Well we know what the solution is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're not going to do the most interesting
Speaker 2: thing about it was the fact that he wasn't on TV.
Speaker 2: That's what were talking that he wasn't on TV. Don't
Speaker 2: put him on TV.
Speaker 1: They're they're almost like a discipline in the booking office.
Speaker 1: Do less, do less, do less. Like as you're laying
Speaker 1: out an idea, right like, and as you lay it
Speaker 1: all out, Okay, give us give me the full pitch. Okay,
Speaker 1: do less, do less, do, keep keep going until all
Speaker 1: you're doing is what's absolutely necessary to get the angle across.
Speaker 1: Because that's that's the that's your essence right there, you know,
Speaker 1: that's your essence. When you gussie it up beyond that,
Speaker 1: like you're just making pro wrestling way more complicated than
Speaker 1: it needs to be. And the fans don't appreciate that.
Speaker 1: There's some because they need something to write about every
Speaker 1: week or tweet about that, that like that. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, it is like so suboptimal. It's like
Speaker 1: the reason for a match has got to be a
Speaker 1: sentence or two and that's it. Yeah, And you can't
Speaker 1: be can't be booking a match, you know, with with
Speaker 1: thirty minute monologues in mind for seven eight straight weeks,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I know exactly like you know, I
Speaker 2: mean again, you know you think about too WrestleMania is
Speaker 2: of old, and I know it's a different day and age,
Speaker 2: and I know you can't follow the same format, but
Speaker 2: think about even a WrestleMania eight, like you know, half
Speaker 2: the shit that was that that would that would create
Speaker 2: feuds and drama happened not on this not on the screen. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, like all all the Flair shit happened via
Speaker 2: like promos, off site, off site promos and the fucking.
Speaker 1: Magazine like they used them a point. Show me, show me,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it happened. I'm not saying like, if you
Speaker 1: show me, I'm I'm wrong here, because I'm sure there
Speaker 1: was moments. But you know, show me Randy Savage and
Speaker 1: Rick Flair face to face in the same ring before WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Show me Hulk Hogan and Sid face to face in
Speaker 1: the same ring before WrestleMania. No, not, No, didn't have
Speaker 1: this idea that you have to have a wrap battle
Speaker 1: with your pay per view opponent every single time is
Speaker 1: so wrong, especially in a social media age where these
Speaker 1: guys could keep things alive round the clock and they report,
Speaker 1: they report to television to do whatever the promotion has
Speaker 1: for them that night. I mean, I mean it would
Speaker 1: have been you know, would have been great, like like
Speaker 1: to to you, you know, you know, in a weird way,
Speaker 1: you know, would have been great to have like dood
Speaker 1: b cameras. I don't know where Sina was, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was filming a movie or not, but
Speaker 1: like to kind of be wherever he was and trying
Speaker 1: to get a word with.
Speaker 2: Him, and he doesn't. He doesn't take it like you
Speaker 2: get like that. To me, that would be the only
Speaker 2: thing to have him on TV is to have like
Speaker 2: you know, like they're trying to get on a film
Speaker 2: set and the security is not letting them come on.
Speaker 2: Say you know, mister Sena has said no one's allowed
Speaker 2: to be on set, and yet you see him kind
Speaker 2: of walk by in the background. They do a quick
Speaker 2: zoom in and you see like a very very quick
Speaker 2: thing that that would have been great. I don't know,
Speaker 2: that's hard to come up with.
Speaker 1: It took us like fifteen minutes. Yeah, here's how your detox.
Speaker 1: You set a soft rule that this is going to
Speaker 1: be the year where our main eventors never come to
Speaker 1: blows ahead of the match and they never even really
Speaker 1: cross paths with each other. It doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean one party is absent from TV, but
Speaker 1: we just have to get career creative about keeping the
Speaker 1: tension boiling outside of the four walls of the of
Speaker 1: the arena where raw happens to be that week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know that that's kind of it. What it
Speaker 1: does is it kind of dilutes why people buy tickets
Speaker 1: to see raw, to see all these stars. I know that,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, but you're not seeing But listen,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 2: You're not. You're not You're not. If you're buying tickets
Speaker 2: to see John Cena every week, I mean you're not anymore.
Speaker 2: That's those days are gone, Yeah, very much. So you're
Speaker 2: not buying those those tickets. You're not buying tickets to
Speaker 2: see Roman Reigns every single week. You know you don't
Speaker 2: or I'll say this, Uh, even though they're not on
Speaker 2: every week, people still buy tickets to go. So there's
Speaker 2: something there. There's something that people. You know, people want
Speaker 2: to buy tickets and people want to see Cody Rose,
Speaker 2: people want to see uh Jay Uso. They want to
Speaker 2: see all these other clowns and and and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you still have that, but you can still
Speaker 2: play the you know, the anticipation of it sometimes. Like
Speaker 2: for me, when I was a kid, part of the
Speaker 2: reason I wanted to make sure that I was watching
Speaker 2: wrestling whenever it was on was because maybe Hulk Cogan
Speaker 2: will be on this time.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's why. And you weren't it wasn't, like you
Speaker 1: weren't it turned off if he wasn't.
Speaker 2: No, no, But it's like, maybe he's going to show
Speaker 2: up this time. Maybe he'll be on Superstars or Challenge.
Speaker 2: Maybe he will wrestle a fucking jobber. Never did, probably
Speaker 2: never would. But you know that was kind of the
Speaker 2: you know, that was the thing that that maybe he would.
Speaker 2: And I think that is a good thing you're paying for,
Speaker 2: maybe him coming someone coming out, maybe seeing something interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's I mean, that is certainly a
Speaker 2: lost thing. You know that that is a another something
Speaker 2: that used to be better that that I don't you know, we,
Speaker 2: if I'm being completely honest, was destroyed because of the
Speaker 2: Attitude era and the Money Night Wars. I mean that's
Speaker 2: the thing. You know. As exciting as they were, the
Speaker 2: Money Night Wars in many ways ruined the simplicity of wrestling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and because now you can't have a television show so
Speaker 2: true without all main event caliber matches and a bunch
Speaker 2: of showdowns and this and that. And that's why Russo
Speaker 2: caught such fire for them at that time is because
Speaker 2: he was writing it with no regard for that. He
Speaker 2: was writing it like you would write a television show
Speaker 2: designed to have peaks and valleys and beginning, middle, and
Speaker 2: end in one episode. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And when you do that, you really do sacrifice. You
Speaker 1: really do kind of elevate expectations in the fans mind
Speaker 1: such that you know, you're kind of you're kind of
Speaker 1: fucked if you want to take your foot off the gas,
Speaker 1: which is necessary to make people want something, you know,
Speaker 1: but it feels like a sacrifice every time you take
Speaker 1: a break and let let let a guy cool off
Speaker 1: a little bit, or let the fans cool off on
Speaker 1: expecting something from them every week. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just this is all what we've always been saying. The
Speaker 1: reason it used to be better is because it can't
Speaker 1: be the way it used to be. It's not because
Speaker 1: people are failing to make it the way I remember it.
Speaker 1: It's because the structure that they operated in in the
Speaker 1: past was superior. It led to a superior enjoyment of wrestling,
Speaker 1: a deeper enjoyment of wrestling because they didn't have the
Speaker 1: pressures they have today. You know, as much as you say,
Speaker 1: you know they get guaranteed money. Yeah, that's all well
Speaker 1: and good, but they still have to make everything a
Speaker 1: fucking super spectacular all the time. And that's not that's
Speaker 1: not what leaves you remembering things. Everything bleeds together when
Speaker 1: everything is fucking epic like that. Yes, you know, if
Speaker 1: you have like if every month on Raw there's like
Speaker 1: a thirty minute classic, or every week on Dynamite there's
Speaker 1: a thirty five minute four star match, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: think we all know. All that does is make four
Speaker 1: star matches mean less. That's all it does. Exactly credit
Speaker 1: to the guys that can pull that off. But we
Speaker 1: know better. We know that two or three of those
Speaker 1: a year is optimal, not not two or three a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least you know, if you're gonna go
Speaker 2: if you need to have something, you have, have one
Speaker 2: of those. You know, have one crazy ass match per
Speaker 2: pay per view. That's fine, Sure that can be a slot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's the idea is that you do you have
Speaker 2: those good matches, you have those epics. At a certain point,
Speaker 2: you don't make it so that it's the identity of
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, And again it was done
Speaker 2: out of necessity because of the of the competition. I
Speaker 2: understand that you're trying to you know, ratings and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but it just it it ruined. It ruined
Speaker 2: the wrestling like kind of the simplicity of wrestling, because
Speaker 2: you could have you know, think about all the if
Speaker 2: you think about all the matches like a WrestleMania eight,
Speaker 2: the one that had the most kind of dramatic and
Speaker 2: over the top storytelling was Savage and Flair the magazine
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe it needed it. It might have
Speaker 2: needed it because on paper it might not necessarily have
Speaker 2: looked like a crazy ass, you know, big selling feud,
Speaker 2: and I I would argue that it was that and
Speaker 2: then them having a kick ass match at WrestleMania that
Speaker 2: made that feud more interesting and be able to last
Speaker 2: throughout the summer, you know. And but yeah, like just
Speaker 2: you know, less is more, even in wrestling, less is more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's a lost thing.
Speaker 1: And we're getting these promos and they're great promos, but
Speaker 1: there are too many of them. There are too many,
Speaker 1: like there's too much of a reliance on like did.
Speaker 2: You hear what he said? Oh he was supposed to
Speaker 2: say that, Like like like how how cool would it
Speaker 2: have been if you think if like throughout this whole thing,
Speaker 2: like Cody comes out a couple of times, and he's
Speaker 2: promised seeing to see to know shows and then Cody's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, then I'm gonna I'm gonna take my
Speaker 2: time and I'm gonna fucking train. I'm gonna do something
Speaker 2: so that I'm ready for anything John Cena can give me.
Speaker 2: And so he goes off TV. I'm like, you simply
Speaker 2: get the cameras are like following him around wherever he is,
Speaker 2: whether he's working out, whether he's at home, whatever, and
Speaker 2: he's doing you know, he can say something to uh
Speaker 2: to John Scena that way, but.
Speaker 1: Instead they have to take the mic every week and
Speaker 1: start with something like the year was two thousand and nine, right,
Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't know this, but I
Speaker 1: looked up stop stop, do you want to win? Why
Speaker 1: do you want to win? How are you gonna win?
Speaker 2: Right? That's your true north. Not it's not a biography
Speaker 2: every time, it's not an A and E biography special rights.
Speaker 2: There is a place for that.
Speaker 1: I feel like when UFC was really rocking and rolling,
Speaker 1: their countdown shows were excellent at that. They take the
Speaker 1: main event and even if they told the story before,
Speaker 1: because the guys you may invented several shows, they would
Speaker 1: tell you their whole story and how the story leads
Speaker 1: to this fight, and how this fight it represents kind
Speaker 1: of like an intersection of of these two guys stories,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the format for that when you're really
Speaker 1: sitting down to try to add depth and history and
Speaker 1: context to your match. But you don't do that in arena.
Speaker 1: You don't do that face to face on the microphone. Right,
Speaker 1: that's just kind of goofy to me at a certain point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can enjoy it. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: bad television. And the guys, some of these guys are
Speaker 1: wonderful promos. We're kind of in a golden age of
Speaker 1: that talking. But that's kind of my point. When we're
Speaker 1: not in the golden hage of talking, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a tough look, you know, like, yeah, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, people that can't carry on in a thirty
Speaker 1: minute like fucking history lesson, can't main event.
Speaker 2: That's stupid.
Speaker 1: Think how many big money players you would have boxed
Speaker 1: out if that was a hard and fast rule. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Ben Buck, thank you very much for that big contribution.
Speaker 1: We deeply appreciate it. Seemed to you esc we love it.
Speaker 1: Darren McAlpine, thank you very much for your support. On Patreon,
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit on the Colisseum video collection
Speaker 1: about how Bruno s and Maartino once talked about being
Speaker 1: booked against Hulk Cogan and Wheeling West Virginia in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five or eighty six, shortly after he made his comeback.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks looked in that Forrest Connor writes, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: first time, long time. I was listening to the latest
Speaker 1: episode and heard the Bruno audio clip about facing Hogan
Speaker 1: and how Hogan ducked him and Sergeant Slaughter ended up
Speaker 1: taking his place in Willing, West Virginia. I looked on
Speaker 1: Cage Match. The only time Bruno wrestled Slaughter and Wheeling
Speaker 1: was on March eight eighty one, which of course was
Speaker 1: before Hogan came in in fact perk Cage Match, well
Speaker 1: not before he came in, but before he was read
Speaker 1: and yellow in fact perk Caage Match. On the wrestled
Speaker 1: three matches and Willing in his career. Connor rights of Bruno.
Speaker 1: Hogan was working in Japan from March sixth to the
Speaker 1: eleventh that year. So as funny as the idea of
Speaker 1: Hogan ducking a match with Bruno, as it looks like
Speaker 1: that isn't true. It also appears that this match, if
Speaker 1: it was considered, would have been when Hogan was still
Speaker 1: a heel, which makes sense to me. Yeah, I did
Speaker 1: kind of take Bruno's remarks in that shoot interview as
Speaker 1: saying it was during Hogan's run as world champion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I guess we can't necessarily disqualify that he was
Speaker 1: actually thinking about before Hogan was the made man, before
Speaker 1: he be four.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 1: That is not sure he really delineated that. But the
Speaker 1: context that they were talking in when that question was
Speaker 1: pose was what did you think of, you know, the
Speaker 1: company turning the whole, all the keys over to Hulkogan
Speaker 1: And that's when he said that. So it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Mike says, first off, this is a good one, Okay,
Speaker 1: sick with us. First off, still sucking on Musk's tit
Speaker 1: while begging for money. Remember when you didn't care if
Speaker 1: anyone listened, then cared if they paid money. Whoores like lapsed?
Speaker 1: Vince loves at least acknowledge you were horrors. At least
Speaker 1: JP is talented with his caricatures.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: I can read other people's actual research. It's not a
Speaker 1: skill anyways. Listen to edges reaction today, aw grand slam.
Speaker 1: There was still real emotion, even if it is an
Speaker 1: old school heat. I'm giving you shit. I love your
Speaker 1: college level podcast. That's what's what's even better is being
Speaker 1: able to assume the form and manner and speech of
Speaker 1: a detractor. Right, Yes, that's the key. That's the key is.
Speaker 2: When absolutely that is the key.
Speaker 1: When you because it lays bare, how basic and thin
Speaker 1: the critique is when somebody who doesn't even believe it
Speaker 1: can convincingly convey it, you know, it's like, okay, that's
Speaker 1: it's not complicated to just be a contrarian. It's actually
Speaker 1: quite easy and easy to mock as well. By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sam Wrights where I'm from, the lapsed fan always plays
Speaker 1: I like that line, Carlos says, shout out Stravinsky, very
Speaker 1: apropos regarding Lynch. Twin Peaks is a rite of spring.
Speaker 1: The co chairs have a very sharp blade to discern
Speaker 1: the pretentious s thet from the mad genius. You're goddamn right, Carlo,
Speaker 1: I want to say that again, and don't you fucking
Speaker 1: forget it. If you're within the sound of our voice.
Speaker 1: The co chairs have a very sharp blade to discern
Speaker 1: the pretentious s thete from the mad genius.
Speaker 2: That's the sound of a sharp blade.
Speaker 1: Very good, very very exceptional judges of character around here. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to let anybody get away with
Speaker 1: carrying themselves like a mad genius without us deciding they've
Speaker 1: earned it. I'm really glad, he says, David Lynch fell
Speaker 1: in their favor. Give us an open question. You're you're
Speaker 1: hearing this from the Solar system. When it came to
Speaker 1: diving into Lynch, they didn't know if we'd like him, boss.
Speaker 2: I know. I mean listen, I I I wasn't sure
Speaker 2: because you know, again, I don't. I don't necessarily, like
Speaker 2: I said, I don't necessarily like his movies. Uh for
Speaker 2: the most part, I I they they don't. They don't
Speaker 2: for me. They don't mesh with the actual individual all
Speaker 2: the time. Oh and we well they do. It just
Speaker 2: takes a long time, right right, But like it's like
Speaker 2: a it's a it doesn't necessarily like you know, it isn't.
Speaker 2: It's not obvious, it's not all you know, And no
Speaker 2: he's just you know, and the stories you hear about him,
Speaker 2: he's just such a genuine, a genuine, fascinating human being.
Speaker 2: Was because he's you know, dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we have to use the correct tense. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why we're that's why we're here after all, that's
Speaker 1: why we decided to pay tribute in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: That's right, and I think that's that's a point very
Speaker 1: well taken. He says, I'm really glad David Lynch fell
Speaker 1: in their favor. Could have gone either way, that's true. Yep,
Speaker 1: could have been either.
Speaker 2: He could have he could have he could have come
Speaker 2: across like a complete douche, you know, But he's just
Speaker 2: he's too genuine, honestly. That That's that's what's about. That's
Speaker 2: what makes him stand out. He is so genuine.
Speaker 1: At the time it aired on TV, he says, there
Speaker 1: was equal applause and derision in my house for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't discount like as much as where to looking
Speaker 1: back and retrospect it at Lynch and Tree Peaks, there
Speaker 1: are people who lived through it who remember just how
Speaker 1: kind of polarizing his style was on mainstream and television
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Of course, no question.
Speaker 1: Rob writes, Terry Funk is too wonderful? What David Lynch
Speaker 1: is too incredible?
Speaker 2: Mmm?
Speaker 1: Rob Or Luthernoli writes, Hello, gentlemen, I hope this note
Speaker 1: finds you well. I just learned that Quentin Tarantinos Once
Speaker 1: upon a Time in Hollywood qualifies for under the Cinemat.
Speaker 2: Which one was it? Once upon a Time in Hollywood?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I knew that that one's on the list,
Speaker 2: but he can tell me.
Speaker 1: He says that Wikipedia explains why Booth is inspired by
Speaker 1: Gary Kent, a stuntman for a film made it the
Speaker 1: Spawn Ranch while the Manson family lived.
Speaker 2: There, and and he's it's also partially, supposedly partially based
Speaker 2: on Judo Jene Bell. It's based on him partially. The
Speaker 2: character is partially based on Jean Le Bell. And there's
Speaker 2: another connection, yeah.
Speaker 1: Says here as well as stuntman professional wrestling two times
Speaker 1: Judo jam Jean the Bell.
Speaker 2: Well, there's another connection as well, and that is the
Speaker 2: fact that Jungle Boy was a PA. He was for real, Yes,
Speaker 2: he was that he because his dad was in the
Speaker 2: movie what's his name? Oh my god, Luke Perry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Luke Perry and Prairies in the movie great movie too,
Speaker 2: Is it.
Speaker 1: Really Oh my god, we'll that'll have to go, that'll
Speaker 1: have to go into the cinemat for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's been on the
Speaker 2: list for a while. It's I'm I'm I'm waiting for
Speaker 2: a real uh you know it's gonna be it's a doozy.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting it'll happen.
Speaker 1: Though that the conclusion of the Twin Peaks journey, Jerome
Speaker 1: makes a great point. He says, what other wrestling podcasts,
Speaker 1: what have the willingness to do something like this? I
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest issues people in the bubble
Speaker 1: have is never leaving their bubble and absorbing other forms
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Speaker 1: Am I glad this weirdo got to make a number
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Speaker 1: Figured, you know, the boys need their candy, and it's
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Speaker 2: Good mind.
Speaker 1: Not sure if he had someone's signed for it, but
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Speaker 1: I cannot remember exactly when I first started listening to you.
Speaker 1: I am only certain that the first time you had
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Speaker 1: My earliest memories of watching wrestling involved sneaking downstairs in
Speaker 1: the wee hours to greet my dad after he had
Speaker 1: been on the road all week as a lorry driver,
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Speaker 1: getting comfortable with him on the couch and both falling
Speaker 1: asleep to the vision of Yo Kazuna sitting on Brettart's face.
Speaker 1: After my parents' divorce, I continued watching throughout the Attitude era,
Speaker 1: only one minute around the corner with my new step siblings. Seriously,
Speaker 1: my dad moved six houses away. Weird, right, We would
Speaker 1: often pile on to a friends trampoline and wrestle, acting
Speaker 1: out what we had seen on the TV. After all,
Speaker 1: it's not like there were any warnings to not try
Speaker 1: this at home. Right this is where I had my accident.
Speaker 1: Around eight of us had climbed to the trampoline no net,
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Speaker 1: sure exactly how it had happened, but I was on
Speaker 1: my back, as often being the smallest, getting ready for
Speaker 1: my big comeback and hot tag. I leaped back up
Speaker 1: to my feet, ready to power bomba motherfucker, but instead
Speaker 1: became the victim of en ring miscommunication. My opponent and
Speaker 1: an apparent bid to get his shit in, came down
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Speaker 1: white flash and a sting of pain in the top
Speaker 1: of my head as we both found ourselves on the
Speaker 1: patio floor. I placed my hand upon the top of
Speaker 1: my head to feel a hard alien protrusion and could
Speaker 1: see my opponent sat sobbing with his hands covering his
Speaker 1: mouth as blood trickled down his chin. Upon reflection, my
Speaker 1: opponent was a bit of a shoot bully and still
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Speaker 1: at this memory. As I came to I came to
Speaker 1: the realization that he had bitten my head and the
Speaker 1: confusion as we tumbled off the trampoline and left his
Speaker 1: front tooth embedded in my head. His tooth is stuck
Speaker 1: in his head. I came away from this experience with
Speaker 1: well earned respect from the boys in the locker room,
Speaker 1: and after having my head glued back together, quickly returned
Speaker 1: to action. And the following years my interest in wrestling
Speaker 1: was up and down. I remember looking in on Booker t,
Speaker 1: appearing on Raw and the Invasion Cinemania, discovering TNA on
Speaker 1: UK TV, and then Cmpunk. It was Punk that led
Speaker 1: me to seeking out ROH than PWG and NJPW. My
Speaker 1: wrestling net had now been cast wide. My girlfriend now
Speaker 1: wife at the time, soon discovered my interest in wrestling,
Speaker 1: despite my best efforts to keep it my shameful secret.
Speaker 1: Slowly but surely I introduced her to Choice New Japan matches. Oh,
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Speaker 1: have a few other hobbies and shows who'd like to watch,
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Speaker 1: I've now subscribed to you on Patreon as the sound
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Speaker 1: for charting the history of the NWA World Heavyweight title
Speaker 1: post ecw Oh my god, that's such a rotten idea.
Speaker 1: Who I believe it may be a glorious indie rific
Speaker 1: shit show. Yours and payment, Shane, and thank you for me.
Speaker 1: I mean that's bad. I mean we're talking unflattering situations.
Speaker 2: That's just yeah. I mean, it's never had a glorious
Speaker 2: period since no, I mean really, since WW dropped it
Speaker 2: such a bad idea.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, though it's funny, it's a funny idea.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I don't know if we
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Speaker 1: the sound of Fret's opening windows just became an eight
Speaker 1: eight eight pound pledgure. Thank you so very much, DP,
Speaker 1: thanks very much for the pledge. Michael Tremarco, thank you
Speaker 1: for boosting your contribution to your co chairs. Sean wants
Speaker 1: us know that Bruno is all about the man of
Speaker 1: the community restaurant eater.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: When he had an interview on Jericho's podcast, Bruno insisted
Speaker 1: that it would take place over dinner at an Italian
Speaker 1: restaurant because it's not all about food.
Speaker 2: Listen, I have no doubt, yes that for Bruno San Martino,
Speaker 2: it wasn't real food unless it was Italian. Absolutely all right.
Speaker 2: The SECONDI yeah, I'm not saying he didn't have other foods,
Speaker 2: but he would only do it out of like you
Speaker 2: know somebody else, right, politeness, somebody. You know, if someone
Speaker 2: invited out to dinner and they went to you know,
Speaker 2: like some other but no, no, no, listen, ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the time he's eating Italian. Yep. It's like I imagine
Speaker 2: I imagine that that his kitchen was just lined with
Speaker 2: hanging spaghetti all right, just drying. It was brand you know,
Speaker 2: fresh fresh spaghetti, just drying on racks around his fucking kitchen.
Speaker 2: Like pretty much. I'd say, I would say every morning,
Speaker 2: like first thing was he would make he would make
Speaker 2: a a. You know, he'd make pasta. Do, let's do
Speaker 2: it every morning, make pasta do and he just kind
Speaker 2: of do it. And then he'd make his pasta and
Speaker 2: he just drape it over there. You know it's going
Speaker 2: to be eaten at some point in a couple of days,
Speaker 2: without a doubt, right, the longest couple of days. So
Speaker 2: he's always he's always got fresh pasta in the house, right,
Speaker 2: And then you know, and then he's like every Sunday,
Speaker 2: you know, every Sunday he's got Every Sunday he makes
Speaker 2: a giant vat of sauce, of sauce, of gravy, all right,
Speaker 2: like and and then listen, he puts it in and
Speaker 2: he puts it in containers, and he puts it in
Speaker 2: the freezer, you know, like he's it's ready, it's ready
Speaker 2: to go at a moment's notice. Like he's probably Bruno,
Speaker 2: Sam Martino. Okay, listen to this. This is what it was.
Speaker 2: He had a garage freezer that was specifically for sauce,
Speaker 2: no question, all right, and he just had just you know,
Speaker 2: as much as he would put in there, he would
Speaker 2: take out at some point during the week, all right.
Speaker 2: That's it. He just always loads of sauce. Just what
Speaker 2: he had to do. Like everything. It's like it's like
Speaker 2: it's like a it's a requirement to get the week gone.
Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna make the pasta in the morning
Speaker 2: and then you gonna make sauce every Sunday. I'm hungry's
Speaker 2: fucking go, let's go to Bruno's house.
Speaker 1: It's like that video of him like having like a
Speaker 1: thirty five minute meal with a bunch of other hangers
Speaker 1: on and suits and yeah, just clang in the forks
Speaker 1: and everyone's just kind of sitting there waiting for him
Speaker 1: to say something so they can laugh at what he said.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean he's he's running the whole table.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a big part of it for Bruno.
Speaker 1: It's the power of being, Oh, the guy at the
Speaker 1: table who knows the owner, you know.
Speaker 2: Right right, he listen. He wants to be fucking Tony
Speaker 2: soprano Vesuvio. That's what he wants to be.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to go there, but that's that's that's
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's it.
Speaker 2: He wants. He wants to be that guy who knows
Speaker 2: the owner. Hey, we went to high school together, you know,
Speaker 2: like like the old friends. You know, he maybe you
Speaker 2: know what chances are Bruno gave him some money to
Speaker 2: start the restaurant. You know, like this is And I.
Speaker 1: Want to ask you a question. When you go into
Speaker 1: a place like that with Bruno, do you have any
Speaker 1: fucking choice but to say you love the food?
Speaker 2: Oh no, If you don't love the food, then you
Speaker 2: eat like it's the matter, what's something wrong with it? Stops?
Speaker 2: Like just just imagine the you know, how's your you know,
Speaker 2: how's your real scallop? Uh? Yeah, a little, a little,
Speaker 2: a little tough. It's like everything stops bearing at you. Well,
Speaker 2: it's stuff. I can't picture. That was wrong.
Speaker 1: The main is thoughts, and so come one, it was
Speaker 1: you want to know what tough is? The toughest hair
Speaker 1: that arm, hair covering your wrist watch.
Speaker 2: That's come here, I'll show you tough. Okay, fine fucking fist.
Speaker 1: I'll tell a little story. Dana White, Dana White for
Speaker 1: the UFC, is from Boston and he loves I don't know.
Speaker 2: That really, Oh yeah, I had no clue.
Speaker 1: He always talks about it, and he was he was
Speaker 1: born in Maine, Connecticut and Maine, but spent.
Speaker 2: Like his was born in Connecticut and Ma was born in.
Speaker 1: Connecticut, up in Maine and Vegas. It's a very complicated thing,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. I know, it's very strange what what was
Speaker 1: what his parents?
Speaker 2: His parents?
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about his dad and his mom
Speaker 1: is like estranged from him. So it's hard to really
Speaker 1: piece that part of his story together. Frankly, so he uh,
Speaker 1: he loves this steak tip place in Southie, Okay. He
Speaker 1: talks about it all the time and he actually one
Speaker 1: time when UFC came to town, he actually had a
Speaker 1: media lunch there, and so all the media, like you know,
Speaker 1: goes and has these steak tips at this like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like one.
Speaker 2: Of those.
Speaker 1: Bar and grill you know kind of deals, like not
Speaker 1: not many windows, you know. Oh yeah, the shiny wood bar,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole deal.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, like dark wood everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and Lorenzo Fertita, who was the the guy from
Speaker 1: Station Casinos, the Vegas guy who Dane actually met in
Speaker 1: high school and became the big money man behind buying
Speaker 1: the UFC when it was on the verge of bank
Speaker 1: and turning it around and his kind of right hand man.
Speaker 1: And from a business perspective, he was there too. And
Speaker 1: Lorenzo has always been a guy of money and higher tastes.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's uh, he's eating at the finest restaurants,
Speaker 1: I'm sure all the time. And I remember he had
Speaker 1: he had some of that. He was there, and he
Speaker 1: had some of the steak tips. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was it's Dana that asked him, but somehow
Speaker 1: he was put on the spot just like we're saying,
Speaker 1: just like we're saying, he was put on the spot.
Speaker 1: How steak tips and I remember he's chewing, he's looking
Speaker 1: down and he goes solid, and I was like, solid,
Speaker 1: that is as close as he's going to get to
Speaker 1: saying I don't understand how anybody could eat this, how
Speaker 1: anybody could seek this out? Why do these steak? Why
Speaker 1: do these little pieces of steak taste like terry aki?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is that? This isn't a Chinese restaurant?
Speaker 1: Why does this taste like teraoki? It's like, well, it's
Speaker 1: a boss. Why That's all I got out of Yep,
Speaker 1: it's looking at the plate chewing solid, solid, solid.
Speaker 2: That's not what you want to hear. Solid, dangerous, very,
Speaker 2: That's the fucking danger in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 2: At that point, that's where my mind went when you
Speaker 2: did the Bruno like you know what I'm wrong? Yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: because you know I remember that too, Like I remember
Speaker 2: I had friends when I lived in La I had
Speaker 2: friends who you know, they heard me talk about Duncan
Speaker 2: Donuts all the time, you know, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: and how I missed Duncan Donuts coffee, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, then they go there and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we had duncanos. We're not dunking the most comedy. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, I mean okay. I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: here's here's the moment of truth, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: how do you you fucking like this coffee? Yeah? I
Speaker 2: love it. I choose nothing else over it. Go fund yourself.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, isn't it. Yeah, Splash Bandicoot, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for the pledge. We appreciate the supports to you.
Speaker 1: Golder Stern, Thanks for the cake. We'll earn it. Joseph
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Speaker 1: pledge to the co chairs. Haul Cogan writes, in the
Speaker 1: spirit of Ring of Honorable Mention, which is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest things you have ever said, Boss, ever ever
Speaker 1: ring of Honorable Mention for Ring of Honor, I stand
Speaker 1: by that, Haul Cogan says, in the spirit of that
Speaker 1: his favorite still is Boss is lapsed Vern calling the
Speaker 1: WWF in Wringling Brothers?
Speaker 2: Did I said that? In Wringling Brothers, I said, as
Speaker 2: Verne as Vern, that's brilliant. Life and death baby, who
Speaker 2: the fuck new life? And we're going back to Minnetonka.
Speaker 2: Christian Hollister always such strong support. We appreciate your recent
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Speaker 2: clearly a t left three matches nineteen ninety Nikolai Volkoff
Speaker 2: versus nineteen ninety six. I ed Johnson the yells. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course that would be something to hear. Oh, there
Speaker 2: have to be a yell off.
Speaker 1: You know, we did the t lf x X Games
Speaker 1: best tournament, Uh, you know, tournament to determine the best
Speaker 1: character ever. We should do one determine the best noise
Speaker 1: maker ever. We got Louis Albano Volkov, We've got Vince
Speaker 1: who makes noises. We've got, as he mentioned, the dust
Speaker 1: doy of Ahmed Johnson.
Speaker 2: Who else fits? Yeah? Ah? Who else? Who else makes
Speaker 2: guttural sounds? Oh? Well you say, did you say Luger? Luger? Sure?
Speaker 1: And there's Hogan all the things he said in t N. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the greatest utterance. What's the greatest guttural? Fucking suck.
Speaker 2: Hard to beat? I mean, especially like you know when
Speaker 2: you're getting I mean there was there was an undertaker
Speaker 2: one too, What about Gian Gonzales. Oh yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: great one, man, I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1: That's a great one, Adam writes, I finally joined the eptire.
Speaker 1: Thank you too for over ten years of entertainment. You've
Speaker 1: all been around the world with me. You were there
Speaker 1: in the hospital for the birth of all three of
Speaker 1: my children. You were there one morning the loss of
Speaker 1: loved ones, and you were still there. TLF is life.
Speaker 1: I love you, guys, and thank you for all that
Speaker 1: you have done for the solar system and my ass. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Adam. We do it for listeners like you,
Speaker 1: Paul writes, we do it for ass. Sunday dinner, Bruno
Speaker 1: to David, garlic bread, Sammartino. Oh you come from good stock,
Speaker 1: my boy. I saw as man no stroll, nay.
Speaker 2: And then he says, look at this, Carol, you've outdone
Speaker 2: yourself again. Oh you picture him huddled over a steaming
Speaker 2: bowl of ministras. Oh my god, it's the little condensation
Speaker 2: is forming on the gold rolex. I would love to
Speaker 2: have been a fly on the wall of the Sammartino
Speaker 2: home when Bruno was eating dinner. Oh, still in my heart,
Speaker 2: just the scenes, the absolute scenes that would have been spectacular.
Speaker 2: That's brilliant, It's positively brilliant. What a scene, What a
Speaker 2: thing to picture Chris Man writes, the CoA Chairs enjoy
Speaker 2: talking about Bruno San Martino. The man is a walking
Speaker 2: continent of material. He is. There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: So Adam, thanks for that big bump up and pledge.
Speaker 1: We feel you, man, We appreciate that. Steve writes, it's
Speaker 1: funny Boss mentioned Sopranos as Bruno constantly claimed he was
Speaker 1: offered a role in the show but didn't want to
Speaker 1: say that he was an unsavory character. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Bruno is one of those guys. He he adds, that
Speaker 1: would act a Paul that being offered a happy ending.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: And then he puts an ellipses and says, while getting
Speaker 1: into a more comfortable position to receive said ending, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: has to play.
Speaker 2: He would have to publicly decry that, all right, he
Speaker 2: would have to publicly say no way, But deep down
Speaker 2: he knows what he needs, Oh my god, what he wants.
Speaker 2: I think this is like a well known thing, but
Speaker 2: one of the my favorite things I've ever heard. Is
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that you don't see as many
Speaker 2: undercover stings in rub and tug joints as you'd expect.
Speaker 2: These these massage parlors that pop up in in areas
Speaker 2: where nobody wants a massage with no you know, absolutely
Speaker 2: no light in every windows covered. They're everywhere. That one
Speaker 2: of the reasons you don't see undercover stings is because
Speaker 2: of a fear that the cop won't stop the massage
Speaker 2: therapist from finishing them off and actually, in the process
Speaker 2: break the law and succumb to the succumb to the pressure.
Speaker 2: That's just the funniest thing in the world. Some like
Speaker 2: dip shit lieutenant just like coming all over the place
Speaker 2: because god damn he did. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Fuck, okay, all right, can we can we move? Can
Speaker 1: we go in now? Like there in the van outside,
Speaker 1: you're ready to fucking break the door down. This guy's
Speaker 1: curling his toes, his fucking sad sack, pathetic chief brunch
Speaker 1: motherfuckers sitting there fucking letting himself bubble over off. And
Speaker 1: they're like they're in the van, they're looking at the monitors.
Speaker 1: They got their index fingers on their ear with the earpieces, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh my god, he's coming, he's coming.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable. Exactly, it doesn't even enjoy it. It
Speaker 1: just it boils over, you know, oh motherfucker. Oh, They're like,
Speaker 1: this is a total bust. Now we've got a whole
Speaker 1: other problem on our hands. Like, oh no, is that chief?
Speaker 1: That's him again? She ticks all limp after all, just
Speaker 1: slaying there knowing he fucked up, knowing he fucked up,
Speaker 1: like button size cock.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The post nut clarity is on another level as he realizes,
Speaker 1: like absolutely, I have months of work to do to
Speaker 1: make this go away. This could follow me the rest
Speaker 1: of my career. It will that I couldn't stop Mama
Speaker 1: son from finishing me off here. Tremendous stuff. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think about when Bob Kraft, as much money
Speaker 1: as he has, can't help but pull a hat down
Speaker 1: low and get tugged off in Tampa wherever the fuck
Speaker 1: he was. Tremendous stuff, that piece of shit. Holkogan writes,
Speaker 1: club Yeah, sure together, that's the new open.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: John writes, I could listen to huge pops in old
Speaker 1: arenas all day. This is, you know, Colosseum Video Man,
Speaker 1: Colosseum Collection, Bruno's Comebacks, Adro's comebacks. Listen to that audio
Speaker 1: if you want to get an idea of what we're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: It's phenomenal shit, he.
Speaker 1: Writes, I could listen to huge pops and old arenas
Speaker 1: all day, whether it's wrestling, boxing, music, basketball, et cetera.
Speaker 1: There's just something about the way fans sound in pre
Speaker 1: HD film and that's it. The sound isn't digital. It
Speaker 1: makes a huge difference because it can flood, it can
Speaker 1: drown out, it can reach a level where it's just
Speaker 1: not being captured anymore. It's taking over the levels.
Speaker 2: It's huge, it's a very it's a it's a massive,
Speaker 2: massive thing.
Speaker 1: Such an effect. Anonymous, thanks very much for the doubling
Speaker 1: of your pledge. We appreciate it. Rick S, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for the support. Crosley Bendix, We thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Welcome to the EP tier. Same to you,
Speaker 1: Omari Corey Smell great homie. Thanks very much for bumping
Speaker 1: up to the vip tr. Chad writes, Hey, gentlemen, few
Speaker 1: insights for the next time there's a feedback show here.
Speaker 1: We are as far as Owens and Cody and the
Speaker 1: winged Eagle belt. Didn't know if you caught it, but
Speaker 1: that's actually just a WW shop replica anyone can purchase.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a legit handmade belt?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got I figure this. Yeah, of course it's
Speaker 2: not gonna be because they can't do the real one
Speaker 2: because it's got the the F in it, and isn't
Speaker 2: the F the isn't that F the one that's a problem.
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure. I thought it was that F.
Speaker 2: I thought it was. I thought maybe more so I
Speaker 2: thought it was. I thought I thought that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Maybe all f's are. But yeah, they can't. They can't
Speaker 2: even use that one because it's not and of course
Speaker 2: not they have they're not. And also they're not going
Speaker 2: to use that one, right, They're not going to use
Speaker 2: the one that isn't it doesn't have the current the
Speaker 2: w W logo, right all right, they're not going to
Speaker 2: have the F. The F is gone. The F never happened,
Speaker 2: The F has been gotten out, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, how sad was it when they were going
Speaker 1: through their old school phase and started coming out with
Speaker 1: all the old merch with the old logo on it
Speaker 1: and they had to lob off the F. What what
Speaker 1: a laughing stock they made of themselves? Like yep, the
Speaker 1: raw thirtieth were like it was all everything was old,
Speaker 1: but it was the WWF logo without the f on.
Speaker 2: It so pathetic, so pathetic, I mean even worse when
Speaker 2: they had that that Ultimate Warrior documentary or that something
Speaker 2: I forget what it was, but they showed a clip
Speaker 2: or they showed a still of the WrestleMania six contract
Speaker 2: signing with and they and they, they digitally removed the
Speaker 2: logo and put the E logo in.
Speaker 1: They've shown like scans of articles from back then and
Speaker 1: gone to the trouble of manipulating the scan of the
Speaker 1: newspaper article to say WWE, when yes, there was no
Speaker 1: such thing at the time the article was printed. Yes,
Speaker 1: what's happening here?
Speaker 2: They're they're they're doing the right thing for business.
Speaker 1: Really, do enjoy Chad right to the SNME live call
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's main event. Glad you've kept up on them.
Speaker 1: Must suck to have to watch all that modern stuff. Though,
Speaker 1: crazy idea, but why don't they just go back to
Speaker 1: having Saturday Nights main event replace the lower lower level
Speaker 1: pay per views. It's a good question because now it's
Speaker 1: all on Peacock anyway, and they're making the same amount
Speaker 1: of money. I don't know if Peacock necessarily cares if
Speaker 1: you call it no mercy or Saturday Nights main event.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they don't care at all. Just do about
Speaker 2: eight snms a year. I love this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and have your big six four to six pay
Speaker 1: per views, because then you can use the Saturday Nights
Speaker 1: main event to shoot the big angles for the pay
Speaker 1: per view, which was always the magic of Saturday Nights
Speaker 1: main event. That's where you shot your big angles that
Speaker 1: had to move units on pay TV.
Speaker 2: But but it kind of defeats the purpose if you're like,
Speaker 2: if you're if you have like two Satura Nights main
Speaker 2: events in the run in a row, you can do it.
Speaker 1: It's a little trickier. You just have to be you
Speaker 1: can just do less snmes. But I like this point
Speaker 1: where it's like, why do those have to be on
Speaker 1: top of And as we're seeing with how strategically they're
Speaker 1: deploying these shows, maybe it's starting to make some sense.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that they they booked a Saturday Night's
Speaker 1: main event to run the same weekend as aw's big
Speaker 1: all out Texas Stadium show in July in the same
Speaker 1: market in Texas.
Speaker 2: Not they're intext they're gonna be doing in Texas as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: holy shit.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what Saturday Night's main event is there
Speaker 1: for whatever they need to fuck with AW on Saturday Night.
Speaker 2: And like, I mean, it's kind of funny, like you'd think, though,
Speaker 2: are they gonna Is that gonna work? Though? With a
Speaker 2: mean because its main event is kind of less than a.
Speaker 1: Pay per view it is for a pl what what's happening?
Speaker 1: It looks like is AW is actually gonna move their
Speaker 1: start time back substantially so that their pay per view
Speaker 1: it's pretty much going to be over by the time
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's main events start. So it was to not
Speaker 1: split at least the television audience. And I think they're like,
Speaker 1: it's it's Texas. So there's I think one San Antonio
Speaker 1: and one is one is Dallas, so it's far away
Speaker 1: enough that it's you know, it's not the same two markets.
Speaker 1: It's an incredibly long drive if you're a ticket buying
Speaker 1: wrestling fan, right, So it's not like it's hurting, but
Speaker 1: the fact that they would do it, it's just classic shit.
Speaker 2: You know. Oh yeah, that's old school, man, That's honestly,
Speaker 2: it's the way it should be.
Speaker 1: And it was so weird because WWE shifted to Saturdays,
Speaker 1: which fucked with AW. But then AW now is the
Speaker 1: Sunday night pay per view company, because now they have
Speaker 1: a Saturday night television show and TNT Collision that they
Speaker 1: have to do. And so if they were to run
Speaker 1: Saturday night pay per views, which is very optimal for them,
Speaker 1: I think they have to cancel Collision, which which of
Speaker 1: course I don't know why they're just use it as
Speaker 1: a pay per view pre show, but that's neither here
Speaker 1: nor there. And yeah, they're moving it up. And they're
Speaker 1: also now holding off on announcing dates too far out.
Speaker 1: They don't want to announce these dates too far out
Speaker 1: because wwe can can play aimes and counter program.
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. Chat that's funny, Man's that's funny. Fucked
Speaker 2: up it is. You didn't you wouldn't think they would
Speaker 2: have to do that, but I mean you right, Like
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess all they wanted to do is
Speaker 2: just wait so they can fucking, you know, buy the company.
Speaker 1: The craziest one I saw because UFC did this too
Speaker 1: big time. When number two groups would pop up, they
Speaker 1: would run head to head and book shows on the
Speaker 1: fly to compete with pay per views and other upstock
Speaker 1: groups are trying to do the best.
Speaker 2: One was.
Speaker 1: Bellatore, which was at the time a rising number two.
Speaker 1: It was no threat to the UFC, but it was
Speaker 1: you know, they were signing big time fighters. They were competing.
Speaker 1: Bellatour was at Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and UFC was
Speaker 1: in Foxwoods and Connecticut on the same night, almost the
Speaker 1: same night, running to the two Connecticut casinos.
Speaker 2: That's how crazy it got. That was a wild night.
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Speaker 1: Chad writes, less belts, What the fuck are they doing
Speaker 1: with a women's US And I see, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: thing too. You didn't see like, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a little unplugged. I gotta get some catching up in.
Speaker 1: But you don't even see like why they did it.
Speaker 1: It's very rare that. I mean, here's why they introduce
Speaker 1: those belts. It doesn't hit you over the head. It's
Speaker 1: not because it's not it's not a hit you or
Speaker 1: the type of thing. It's a it's a fucking all
Speaker 1: it is was about the equality of it.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what it is. No reason, there's no
Speaker 2: reason to actually do it because it just, you know it,
Speaker 2: it just there's no value to it at all. I
Speaker 2: am there's no value to it. I am all for
Speaker 2: people making a living in pro wrestling. I don't want
Speaker 2: anybody to lose their job. Don't take this the wrong way.
Speaker 2: But if you look at your roster and you say,
Speaker 2: you know, we've got so much women, so many women,
Speaker 2: that we need to introduce a second belt, so a
Speaker 2: lot of these women have something to compete for and
Speaker 2: to you know, orient themselves against, what you might be
Speaker 2: telling yourself is you might not need that many women. Frankly,
Speaker 2: I don't understand why, like you don't just employ the
Speaker 2: people you need at the time that you actually have
Speaker 2: plans for, you know what I mean. It's it's very.
Speaker 1: Strange, like the tale of both rosters, Like what the
Speaker 1: what the company has in mind?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Like I said, I absolutely am not advocating that they
Speaker 1: just get thrown out on the street, but I do
Speaker 1: wonder what the mentality is of having so much talent
Speaker 1: under contract both companies. WW is better calibrated than AW.
Speaker 1: AW has so many people that they pay just to
Speaker 1: sit home, because unless they have a storyline for you
Speaker 1: right now, they don't even bother flying you to TV.
Speaker 2: But they still pay you every week. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of a great set.
Speaker 1: But the thing now is the talent is so much
Speaker 1: more geared towards They want to work, they want to contribute,
Speaker 1: they want to show off, they want to show out.
Speaker 1: It's not like the old days were, like you know,
Speaker 1: if you told a carneye in the eighties or nineties
Speaker 1: that like will pay you to not do anything, it's
Speaker 1: the greatest fucking thing they've ever heard of, that's right.
Speaker 1: What they get up in the morning forest to stumble
Speaker 1: into an opportunity like that. That's where everyone loved working at
Speaker 1: WCW and the mid to late nineties. But still it's
Speaker 1: it's really weird why they don't just kind of say,
Speaker 1: all right, we've got we've got a couple of programs here.
Speaker 1: We're going to employ these people until the program is over,
Speaker 1: and then we'll cycle someone else in and get them
Speaker 1: locked under contract. Like why have like a bench of
Speaker 1: thirty options when you can only deliver one match of
Speaker 1: pay per view anyway? From that roster, it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. So yeah, less belts, of course. I mean, god,
Speaker 1: we all know three is the magic number the women's
Speaker 1: title for come on, I mean, this is not complicated, This.
Speaker 2: Is not I mean part of Also, you know, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be as big of a deal if they didn't
Speaker 2: have so many fucking world championships. Yeah, that's part of
Speaker 2: the problem. That's a big part of the problem. Like
Speaker 2: if they were just if they would just let the
Speaker 2: other belts be subservient to the big Belt, if they
Speaker 2: would just well, if they would just fucking cut a
Speaker 2: world championship, I've never under I still don't understand like
Speaker 2: what that does except dilute the other the real world championship.
Speaker 2: Guntor should be IC champion. That should be enough, and
Speaker 2: then one day he's ready for the Big Belt, and
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful day, right exactly. You know, like it
Speaker 2: because because nobody thinks of it as equal, it's introduced
Speaker 2: it like last year, because the only time, the only
Speaker 2: time it was equal, there was only one time when
Speaker 2: it was equal, and that was that was like two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, two thousand and five. They did it.
Speaker 2: They did such a great job at because I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, when when when Triple H first got the belt,
Speaker 2: it was like it was such a joke. It was
Speaker 2: such a joke, and it meant nothing. But when they
Speaker 2: you know, especially I think of WrestleMania twenty as being
Speaker 2: the time where both championships really meant something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought by then the World the Big Gold
Speaker 1: had so thoroughly eclipsed the WW Beltah's Belt of Choices.
Speaker 1: He wanted to cosplay as Rick Flair, of.
Speaker 2: Course, and and I agree that it kind of had.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, when Brock had
Speaker 2: the belt and when had the belt, yeah, there was
Speaker 2: like you know, when they have those, there was some
Speaker 2: Even when Sena and Batista had it, it was close,
Speaker 2: there was like there was a real like these guys
Speaker 2: aren't equal planes, Like there I can see them both.
Speaker 2: But but since then, it's like it's just a fucking
Speaker 2: it's it's a joke, it really is, and title is
Speaker 2: what it is, right, there's no need to have two
Speaker 2: world champions and this in order to have two women
Speaker 2: world champions like you could easily. I like having a
Speaker 2: US Belt. I always liked having US belts. I think
Speaker 2: having three championships for the men and then tag titles
Speaker 2: and then three champions for the women and then tag titles.
Speaker 2: Is great, that's it. That's all you gotta have.
Speaker 1: Clearly, and I think introducing all these belts it just
Speaker 1: goes to show that like they're not as creative as
Speaker 1: they like to think they are, because they don't know
Speaker 1: what to do if they can't orient the show around
Speaker 1: everyone chasing something that's perceived as the world championship, right,
Speaker 1: like they can the ideas that the ideas that you
Speaker 1: are supposed to be always chasing the world championship, but
Speaker 1: you're doing that by winning matches and winning against Imagine
Speaker 1: that more prestigious, more prestigious opponents. Imagine that, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and you can have it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be one show has the world champion, the other one doesn't.
Speaker 1: The World champ can go from roster to roster. You know,
Speaker 1: they can be on SmackDown for two months if the
Speaker 1: top contender happens to be there, and they can Beyond
Speaker 1: Raw for two months if the top contender happens to
Speaker 1: be there. But the idea that both shows have to
Speaker 1: operate on these two separate islands, because the only way
Speaker 1: we understand is this waterfall structure where everything comes down
Speaker 1: from this one world champion at the top of the hill,
Speaker 1: and we have to almost pretend for the sake of
Speaker 1: this self contained show that there isn't another world champion
Speaker 1: in the world, that the person doesn't exist. Almost is
Speaker 1: completely stupid. It just begs people to not take the
Speaker 1: world title seriously, and they shouldn't, frankly, because it was
Speaker 1: just clumsily thrown back out there because Triple H didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do on raw. Because here it's no
Speaker 1: coincidence that the company absolutely lit on fire when Roman
Speaker 1: had both belts on his shoulder. There was one champion.
Speaker 1: That's how you fucking do it, and he proved it.
Speaker 1: He proved it still the case. You look at how
Speaker 1: much of an attraction he was when he had both
Speaker 1: belts swinging, swinging like a big dick all over the place,
Speaker 1: and Becky the same thing. Becky never felt as big
Speaker 1: as she did holding those two belts high. Oh, of course,
Speaker 1: no way, come on, folks. And for rumble, he says,
Speaker 1: you think you miss gorilla on the death toll? I
Speaker 1: don't know think ninety six rumble is that what he's
Speaker 1: talking about about, uh rub ninety six is Gorilla on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, Yeah, because the next night he gets
Speaker 1: splashed by Vader, right did I?
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I can I can see Meg. I
Speaker 2: must have missed him. I don't know how I missed
Speaker 2: it happens. Don't miss Gorilla of all people, he says.
Speaker 1: And you are right to think of the rumble as
Speaker 1: where Razor always loses the icy Belt. He also lost
Speaker 1: it in ninety five to Double j and I totally
Speaker 1: agree to the rumble match would always go last Chat agrees.
Speaker 1: But so far as double Duty goes despite the negatives
Speaker 1: of it, years when the roster is so thin like
Speaker 1: in the New Gen years, wouldn't it benefit the Rumble
Speaker 1: match to do it instead of having tons of Jabroni's
Speaker 1: in it. I kind of feel like anyone besides the
Speaker 1: guys in the World Title match should be on the
Speaker 1: table the years they didn't doubled dip, like ninety three
Speaker 1: to ninety five and ninety six or some of the
Speaker 1: least exciting rumbles to me. So he's saying, if guys
Speaker 1: can't come back to compete in the match at the
Speaker 1: end of the night, it just hurts. The rumble just
Speaker 1: makes the brumble too thin. I mean, he's not wrong,
Speaker 1: but I still hate it. And I never liked the
Speaker 1: double dipping at all.
Speaker 2: I still hate it. Yeah, I hate it. Hate it.
Speaker 1: You show up to the building trained and focused to
Speaker 1: win the Brumble, and then the other guys are trained
Speaker 1: and focused to win their matches.
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't do both.
Speaker 1: I mean you can, but it's just like one of
Speaker 1: the two is going to suffer needlessly, rightly, because the
Speaker 1: whole reason you put matches other than the Battle Royal
Speaker 1: and the Royal Rumble is to spice up the card
Speaker 1: and make it more attractive from a marquee standpoint, right,
Speaker 1: And if all those guys are just also Rumble participants,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really spice up the card because those guys
Speaker 1: are in the Rumble anyway. It's not something extra. Martin Wilson,
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely and.
Speaker 1: Rumble ninety six. Paul writes Dorance Junior wearing a two
Speaker 1: pey and thinking that it's the funniest thing ever that
Speaker 1: everyone is no selling. It just tickles me. He might
Speaker 1: actually be as simple as lapsed Dory. Ryan Harvey, thank
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Speaker 1: brought up DJ Dwayn Johnson the idea of Dwayn Johnson
Speaker 1: entering at number thirty one this year. In the rumble,
Speaker 1: we were talking about what if? Right, Yeah, that's literally
Speaker 1: and I did forget this, I'll admit it what Triple
Speaker 1: H did in twenty sixteen entered number thirty one and
Speaker 1: won it. Totally forgot that that was the rumble, that
Speaker 1: it was for the title. And then he he wasn't
Speaker 1: thirty one, he was thirty.
Speaker 2: He wasn't thirty one. I don't think so he was.
Speaker 2: Let me take a look.
Speaker 1: I think they did this thing where like, because he's
Speaker 1: the power player, he pulled a power play and got
Speaker 1: the things were a rumble.
Speaker 2: Twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, Pretty sure
Speaker 2: it was. I think it was twenty sixteen, because it
Speaker 2: was it was a year we went to Dallas, Texas
Speaker 2: for wrestling. I was sixteen. Yeah, no, he was thirty, Okay,
Speaker 2: he was thirty. He was thirty.
Speaker 1: That's not what I meant. I said thirty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be here. I am falling on my sword.
Speaker 1: That's not what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: He pulls power play and adds a spot to the rumble.
Speaker 2: Right, right, that's the idea. That should be an extra spot.
Speaker 2: Not that he's in it, but that all thirty guys
Speaker 2: have entered. And then like four minutes later, the clock
Speaker 2: goes down again, right, you know, or like when there's
Speaker 2: like or or even better, even better, the guy wins
Speaker 2: the rumble and the clock starts going down and then
Speaker 2: out comes Dwayne.
Speaker 1: He didn't win, right, William, you ran. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much for your pledge. John Lamb, thank you for.
Speaker 2: Remember remember remember when you know, remember like this was
Speaker 2: such a that that was actually one of the biggest
Speaker 2: fucking triple H bullshit moves ever when he when he
Speaker 2: won that, because not only did he did he win it,
Speaker 2: but then he's like, you know, here they are, they're
Speaker 2: trying to build up Roman reigns as the guy and
Speaker 2: he tossed triple H just fucking tosses him out, and
Speaker 2: then he crotch chops him and does all that ship
Speaker 2: and comes across as the biggest fucking all time. It's
Speaker 2: such like a fucking like, you know, you're not you're
Speaker 2: not doing You're creating so much more harm than any
Speaker 2: sort of I mean that that's his m O really,
Speaker 2: up until most recently, I suppose, is that's what he
Speaker 2: would do. He would fucking know until that heart attack
Speaker 2: where he wasn't like a lie to actually get in
Speaker 2: the runing anymore exactly clips everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pathetic. There was something. There's some backstory too,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to remember the details. I feel like
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be Roman and somebody else, and
Speaker 1: that having Triple H went it that way and get
Speaker 1: into the main event was like a plan B. But
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember if it was just
Speaker 1: people wanted it to be someone else, or if it
Speaker 1: was going was supposed to be a Rock, because I
Speaker 1: remember Rock had done the thing where he came out
Speaker 1: with Roman, remember, and endorsed him after he won the
Speaker 1: Rumble that year.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the year the year prior so, and everyone
Speaker 2: and everyone bowed the shit out of rock. They sure did,
Speaker 2: They sure did. That was the hint of things to come. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not pathetic.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you know, you know Triple Agency
Speaker 1: in that record Gate and that record one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: plus crowd number, and it's I pulling the whole coga.
Speaker 1: How can I sign myself to that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was a decent match, but it didn't get didn't
Speaker 1: get Roman off to the races.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. No, well, nothing, nothing really could
Speaker 2: at the times true, honestly, he was fucked.
Speaker 1: I was searching for what David Lynch thing from the past.
Speaker 1: Someone had written to us about people leaving the theater.
Speaker 1: Carlos says he saw a racerhead in theater. People walked out.
Speaker 1: The people I was with were pissed. I felt that
Speaker 1: warm pariah feeling like being a wrestling mark, the sense
Speaker 1: of really connecting with something that earns contempt from the
Speaker 1: normis a racerhead. Mahalan drive in the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: Weather Reports are personal faves. Blue Velvet was too much,
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready. Wow, you no shit? What is this movie?
Speaker 2: Why is people?
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it. I'm fascinating I know, I know,
Speaker 1: got to make time to watch this thing.
Speaker 2: I gotta do it.
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Speaker 1: not intimidated, Curtis writes, Love Rumble ninety six show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Also loved your idea of having a rumble where all
Speaker 1: thirty people get in the ring before a single elimination.
Speaker 1: See he loves it. What's it going to be?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a bad idea or is it a good idea?
Speaker 1: It's not a bad idea, idea they haven't done yet,
Speaker 1: he says. Would be for one guy to be standing
Speaker 1: alone in the ring as the buzzer goes for number
Speaker 1: twenty nine, and those who immediately brawl and double eliminate
Speaker 1: each other, leaving an empty ring as they milk number thirty.
Speaker 1: Who would be the winner by default?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would that'd be. I mean that would be.
Speaker 2: I have mixed feelings about that, Like, it's definitely something
Speaker 2: that would be cool to witness. At the same time,
Speaker 2: it would be such a you.
Speaker 1: Would have to choose that wonder very carefully. It'd have
Speaker 1: to be some big time heel or something, right.
Speaker 2: I have be somebody who who honestly had no chance
Speaker 2: in hell in winning, but it needed to be someone yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of legit. Santino, No, I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: think that would have been bad. But it could have
Speaker 2: been m Alberto del Rio yea, Seamus Yeah Alberta now yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: either of them like im not.
Speaker 1: Just smarmy heels that you know, don't deserve to be.
Speaker 2: There, right, and they really had no business fucking winning
Speaker 2: that thing, right, but they did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: His idea, Curtis's vision is what you have is the
Speaker 1: announcers aren't emphasizing that they know who the last person is,
Speaker 1: so they did they haven't figured it out yet. But
Speaker 1: once this emergency occurs where the last two guys before
Speaker 1: number thirty are out and therefore number thirty is gonna win,
Speaker 1: they're like scrambling trying to figure out, like, who haven't
Speaker 1: we seen yet? Who the hell is this gonna be?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna win this fucking match? It'll be like the
Speaker 1: longest countdown ever.
Speaker 2: And what would be amazing too, is if it was
Speaker 2: is if it happened they eliminated to each other with
Speaker 2: like a minute to go. Yeah, you know, like a
Speaker 2: memory before and everyone's gonna wait there and like, who
Speaker 2: the fuck is it?
Speaker 1: You know when this would have been a stroke of
Speaker 1: genius ninety nine, that's how Vince wins.
Speaker 2: Oh that works. That would have been pretty cool. Yep.
Speaker 1: It has to be a rumble where you don't plan
Speaker 1: on putting the winner in the WrestleMania Maine.
Speaker 2: Event like that year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: Kevin writes, I'm watching the nineteen eighty nine rubble Jesse.
Speaker 1: You just said you weren't eliminated until you go over
Speaker 1: the top rope and both he't hit the floor.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? I thought it wasn't until ninety five?
Speaker 2: He says it what n Kevin reports back, Yep, all right,
Speaker 2: it's a look at it complicates things. That does complicate things.
Speaker 2: I will admit that if that is the case, and
Speaker 2: then then my argument is, uh is fucked. Although they
Speaker 2: didn't play by that rule any other year that year,
Speaker 2: that was never specified.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, there's apparently early evidence of it, but they
Speaker 1: did not emphasize it anywhere near as much through the night.
Speaker 2: I mean, once you, once you, I mean, I'll uh.
Speaker 2: It is hard. I will say this though. What really
Speaker 2: bothers me more than the more than the two feet thing,
Speaker 2: more than the two feet thing. What bothers me is
Speaker 2: when somebody is somebody clears the ring. Yeah, when you
Speaker 2: clear the ring, if you're like hanging onto the rope
Speaker 2: like Sean Michaels did, I can kind of I can
Speaker 2: see that as being somewhat even though I still think
Speaker 2: it's bullshit. I'm willing to excuse that. But when you've
Speaker 2: got fucking uh Naomi who is on the fucking announced
Speaker 2: table and hasn't touched feet, that's bullshit. You are cleared
Speaker 2: from that ring. You have been cleared. To me, more
Speaker 2: to do with It's got more to do with the
Speaker 2: fact that your foot hit the floor and you you
Speaker 2: let go of the ring. You let go of that
Speaker 2: ring rope, like you're no longer struggling to stay in.
Speaker 1: We're not connected to the ring anymore. Yeah, right, you're
Speaker 1: floating right outside of the field of play. You're out
Speaker 1: of bounds. Essentially, you can't make a catch out of bounds,
Speaker 1: even if you're standing. Yeah, it's it's it's It gets
Speaker 1: on my nerves too, because it was creative for a while,
Speaker 1: but now it's like every year everyone waits for the
Speaker 1: spot and that's annoying, right. Shout out to Andrew for
Speaker 1: bumping up to the moat teer. We appreciated, Austin says
Speaker 1: regarding breakfast sand, which is yes, a great breakfast sand,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. However, a great breakfast taco burrito absolutely
Speaker 1: properly will change hundred life absolutely, no question, he says.
Speaker 1: JP's description is really good, but I have to say
Speaker 1: top three thing I miss about living in Texas is
Speaker 1: the ridiculous availability of top quality breakfast tacos, not only
Speaker 1: from the usual taco restaurants, but more importantly at hole
Speaker 1: in the wall joints connected to gas stations where you
Speaker 1: get the real amazing stuff.
Speaker 2: Great. Oh yes, now I'm hungry with zero good taco
Speaker 2: spots around me in northern Virginia. Yes, sorry, Austin, that's
Speaker 2: the name goes, and I gotta make my own burritos
Speaker 2: all day breakfast tacos. Oh, I love breakfast burritos. Holy shit.
Speaker 2: If you do, you get a breakfast burrito, all right,
Speaker 2: and you got? I mean I like sometimes I like
Speaker 2: a crazy one, no question, but more often than not,
Speaker 2: all I like in a breakfast burrito is eggs, bacon, cheese,
Speaker 2: and potatoes, all right, and if you've got the right
Speaker 2: amount of both ingredients, I put what I like to do.
Speaker 2: I put a little bit of like I'll cut it
Speaker 2: in half, all right, and I'll put a little bit
Speaker 2: of sour cream on on part of it. And then
Speaker 2: I put usually it's my own, my homemade salsa, and
Speaker 2: I'll put it on. Take that bite, forget it, forget it,
Speaker 2: forget it. So I'll tell you what. I'm not crazy
Speaker 2: enough to have two. But when I'm done, I want
Speaker 2: another one. And I get big ass fucking flower tortillas
Speaker 2: like I'm not like the like like like kind of
Speaker 2: the size that we had at the fucking Mexican place
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn. All right, yeah, exactly, and I want another one.
Speaker 2: I want another one. Potatoes, bacon, and it's it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it. I'm gonna have one tomorrow. That's it my
Speaker 2: fucking morning. Now, do you have all the ingredients you
Speaker 2: get to go? Get? Absolutely, I'm ready to go. Wow,
Speaker 2: fucking nail that ship, my man.
Speaker 1: That's how we fucking live around here. But Austin does
Speaker 1: write hard disagree on one thing. Hot sauce is a
Speaker 1: requirement for a great breakfast sandwich taco burrito. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the textan in me.
Speaker 2: Shit for burrito, Yes, not for a sandwich. Depends depends again.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I like to go crazy, like there's some places
Speaker 2: nearby they've got like a you know, uh volcano breakfast
Speaker 2: sandwich or whatever, and it's like, okay, you know I
Speaker 2: have that. It's got like jalapenos and mix it with
Speaker 2: the egg and it's like good hot sauce and great. Fine.
Speaker 2: I'll do that every now and again. But in terms
Speaker 2: of day to day no, not in a breakfast sandwich.
Speaker 2: Like if I'm gonna do just fucking English muffin, bake
Speaker 2: an egg and cheese, it's with grill the English muffin,
Speaker 2: you know, like you do it a fucking New England diner.
Speaker 2: Se I don't know. Not everyone grilled English means like
Speaker 2: if you go to I remember the first time I
Speaker 2: was like embarrassed when my fucking parents would ask for
Speaker 2: a grilled English at a at a at a diner
Speaker 2: in LA They're gonna actually like, no, you can't, They're
Speaker 2: gonna put it on the grill. If they're actually gonna
Speaker 2: grill it, like it's not it's not what you think
Speaker 2: it is. They're gonna put it on the grill where
Speaker 2: they make the fucking burgers, and you're gonna have lines
Speaker 2: on it. They're not putting butter on it and pressing
Speaker 2: down with it with a fucking spatula to make it
Speaker 2: flat and crunchy. That's again so grilled English, very specific, okay,
Speaker 2: very You have to cut it. You can't fork o.
Speaker 2: You can't just pull it open. You can't pull it open.
Speaker 2: You get to slice the the English muffin with a
Speaker 2: knife so that both sides are flat, the insides are flat.
Speaker 2: You put butter on the on the sides of the
Speaker 2: uncooked English muffin, and then you fucking put that down
Speaker 2: on your pan or if you're looking up to have
Speaker 2: a griddle, you put it down there and you and
Speaker 2: you gotta have something to just put some pressure on it. Unbelievable,
Speaker 2: so that that that everything that's you know, it's got butter,
Speaker 2: so it creates this crunchy surface. You put a fucking
Speaker 2: you put bacon, egg and cheese and that ship. Forget it, man,
Speaker 2: forget it. I went out of that as well tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And the fucking breakfast burrito. Yeah, no fucks given, let's
Speaker 2: get it, oh ship, it's all about breakfast sandwiches. Man, Oh,
Speaker 2: it really is. You can you can survive your whole
Speaker 2: life on breakfast sandwich, like late in the morning, like
Speaker 2: count me in. Oh, there's some listen. I'm sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't usually do it, but if i'm
Speaker 2: if I'm home alone for dinner, dude, do it, no question,
Speaker 2: fire it up. Yep, yep, Because I got to make
Speaker 2: three meals in my house anyway for my fucking family.
Speaker 2: I'm not like, I won't necessarily do that. I'll try
Speaker 2: to keep one of I'll try to keep my meal
Speaker 2: to be something like the other meals, but usually with
Speaker 2: with meat. But no, I'm I'm cooking three meals for
Speaker 2: everybody every fucking night. Yeah, that's the way it works.
Speaker 2: That's so much and we're all the beneficiaries. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Having tasted the Thanksgiving sandwich for it, h great, heavenly
Speaker 1: uh Neil Wrights, I guess I always had trouble see
Speaker 1: Shawn Michaels with the belt in nineteen ninety six, this,
Speaker 1: of course in reference to Rowbald ninety six, which we
Speaker 1: did this year. I understood at the time that they
Speaker 1: were positioning him as this Michael Jordan ESK human highlight reel,
Speaker 1: and there was some appeal to that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Being the WWF standard bearer, you could certainly do worse
Speaker 1: than pushing someone who is so exciting to watch. But
Speaker 1: I think I even knew back then that it was
Speaker 1: more jab at WCW having Savage and Hogan than Vince
Speaker 1: believing he had found the guy who could lead his company.
Speaker 1: Our guys are younger and more athletic, et cetera. They
Speaker 1: were even airing new generation ads that attacked older styles
Speaker 1: of wrestling had on. They sure were seeing him in
Speaker 1: the Rumble and the rest of his nineteen ninety six
Speaker 1: Sean is an athlete performer is such a big part
Speaker 1: of the presentation, but it feels like they are masking
Speaker 1: the truth that everything else isn't working that well. The
Speaker 1: promos angles character work aren't very good, and even if
Speaker 1: the matches are exciting, you don't really care about the
Speaker 1: people Sean is wrestling. Yeah, I think that becomes true
Speaker 1: when Diesel leaves. I think they would have had a
Speaker 1: hell of a program if Diesel stuck around. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they could have gone a SummerSlam with that thing,
Speaker 1: And I think he could have worked a Razor too,
Speaker 1: you know, yep, oh yeah, the world title Razor turns
Speaker 1: heel on him or something. He never had a had
Speaker 1: a world title after after Brett A. Razor never wrestled
Speaker 1: for the world title again. That would have been a
Speaker 1: great program, like Turn Turn Razor heel. He needed that
Speaker 1: so bad at that point. Oh yeah, that was the time, like.
Speaker 2: He was so he was so stale late ninety five
Speaker 2: through ninety six, he was so fucking stale.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason Sean was so despondent,
Speaker 1: as he's talked about in his book and other things
Speaker 1: about Kevin and Scott leaving, because they had built the
Speaker 1: whole that they had established a way of running the WWF.
Speaker 1: The clique did such that you know, they really found
Speaker 1: ways to only work with each other, and if they
Speaker 1: stepped out of that, it was for a very limited
Speaker 1: period of time and they eventually through some kind of
Speaker 1: fit like a Dean Douglas or something. You know, it
Speaker 1: just didn't It never worked out unless they were working
Speaker 1: against each other. And if they were working against each other,
Speaker 1: they were motivated and it was all good in the
Speaker 1: hood and it was good stuff. You know, they would
Speaker 1: go out and really really try hard on promos and matches,
Speaker 1: and I think Sean could have had that kind of
Speaker 1: ninety six if those two guys were there, But without them,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's casting about trying to find
Speaker 1: people to work with. You know, Davy is someone he
Speaker 1: was close with, in particular, someone he could score drugs
Speaker 1: with back in the day. I remember Davy was the
Speaker 1: one who was there when he got beat up by
Speaker 1: the Marines. Not not Hollan Nash they were overseas at
Speaker 1: the time, or even Kid. You know, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: he would have had a great program with one to
Speaker 1: three Kid, but he was gone by the middle of
Speaker 1: ninety six.
Speaker 2: I'm sure would have been I'm sure would have been
Speaker 2: good matches, yeah, but for sure again, but Kid was not.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kid was nowhere near main event level, even
Speaker 2: on his fucking best day.
Speaker 1: So even if they were people, even like Vader, that
Speaker 1: the fans could be led to care about, I think
Speaker 1: it's I think Sean would admit that he wasn't. He
Speaker 1: wasn't in the headspace to accept those guys as guys
Speaker 1: he would really help elevate as much as he would
Speaker 1: if it was his buddies working against him. You know, ye,
Speaker 1: he was hitting a wall just as much as the
Speaker 1: fans were in terms of perception. He was really doubting himself,
Speaker 1: you know, throughout nineteen ninety six. Matt Anderson, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for the pledge. You appreciate that. Chris writes
Speaker 1: imagining the person who saw TLF winning the award for
Speaker 1: Best Wrestling Podcast and hearing a thirty minute discussion on
Speaker 1: breakfast sand which is you heard another one, and what
Speaker 1: that person's reaction is, Now, I need to go get
Speaker 1: some bagels to make a late dinner. See that's the
Speaker 1: point that so what we're saying, that's it. That's it,
Speaker 1: Chris Man. It's tip from my fellow Englishman. When making
Speaker 1: yourself a breakfast bag at, get yourself a tiger stick
Speaker 1: from Cyose Bakery. Slice it horizontal, remove the bread so
Speaker 1: you're basically left with a crusty shell. Fill it with
Speaker 1: sausage and bacon. Less bread equals more pork. Complete game changer.
Speaker 1: They know sausage over there.
Speaker 2: They do. They do? Remember how remember how Subway used
Speaker 2: to cut their sandwiches? No, remember that, you remember that
Speaker 2: what they used to do? I don't know what happened,
Speaker 2: Probably they're just like, all right, let's just fucking be
Speaker 2: normal here. But what they used to do, instead of
Speaker 2: slicing it down the middle like a normal fucking sandwich,
Speaker 2: what they would do is they'd cut the top offs
Speaker 2: and they had like kind of like a they'd create
Speaker 2: like a a valley of sorts where they'd kind of
Speaker 2: stuff it in and then they'd put the cutout piece
Speaker 2: on top. And it was a weird little thing, but
Speaker 2: that was the subway side instead of cutting in. But
Speaker 2: they create this like little hold wouldn't take out more
Speaker 2: of the bread, but that's you know, it's not a
Speaker 2: bad idea. You know, just pull out some of the
Speaker 2: some of the bag at bread and just you have
Speaker 2: more room and it kind of stores stores, you know, meat, eggs, cheeses,
Speaker 2: whatever a lot better. Today it's a nice less gluten
Speaker 2: option as well. Yeah, it's like a.
Speaker 1: Big thing is like how can we people People know
Speaker 1: bagels or some of the most delicious food in the world,
Speaker 1: but there are people who just they can't They just
Speaker 1: can't eat something that they think is going to make
Speaker 1: them fat. They just can't do it. So we have
Speaker 1: to find ways to make bagels without gluten, or we
Speaker 1: have to scoop them out like we do in l A.
Speaker 2: You know, like or you could, you know, you could
Speaker 2: do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up
Speaker 2: and stuck out eat your fucking bagel.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, It's like, if you have to
Speaker 1: do that, you're acknowledging that, like.
Speaker 2: They're the perfect food. So why are you fucking with it? If?
Speaker 2: If I understand, you know, I know that people who
Speaker 2: have gluten and I'm not excluding that, I'm not yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fucking
Speaker 2: idiots who who because I mean, I think I've even
Speaker 2: too that it doesn't really actually it's not actually a
Speaker 2: good diet to lose weight anyway, take out gluten. It's
Speaker 2: like it's not necessarily one that works.
Speaker 1: Just to wait, you know, if you think you've got
Speaker 1: it to wait six months, right, someone will find a
Speaker 1: way to make money off offering you the exact opposite advice.
Speaker 1: And they will also be on steroids, by the way, Right,
Speaker 1: it's not that complicated.
Speaker 2: Everybody's on steroids. Everybody's on steroid.
Speaker 1: Everybody you think you can look like it's on steroids.
Speaker 1: That's trying to sell you. You know, sell you something
Speaker 1: that's you know, the opposite or counterintuitive, you know, or
Speaker 1: or highly complicated. Highly complicated, you're got to get up
Speaker 1: at three thirty in the morning. It's like, okay, that's enough.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Simon. I think he nails it. He says,
Speaker 1: Sports podcast awards make a mistake letting the lapsed fan
Speaker 1: and the debates. M Ain't that the truth? That it
Speaker 1: better for us not even to put our name in
Speaker 1: the hat, because you know what happens once we do.
Speaker 1: Daniel James Dunn, thank you very much for your generous pledge.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Brian writes to us, that's just I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's Todd. Pardon me. He goes by Todd dear co
Speaker 1: chairs after the last two TLF releases, mentioning the fabulous Mula.
Speaker 1: I have to mention that here in the city she
Speaker 1: lived in, she was a bit of a celebrity. The road,
Speaker 1: of course, to which her home sat, was named in
Speaker 1: her honor. Boss, have you ever seen Mula drive before?
Speaker 1: That's a World Heritage site. Take a good look at it.
Speaker 1: That and Fritz Lane right down in Dallas Lake Dallas. Yep,
Speaker 1: that should be there. Since her death in twenty oh seven.
Speaker 1: The property has passed through many hands until the house
Speaker 1: burned down in twenty twenty one. The burnt remains are
Speaker 1: still there. There's a local restaurant chain that displays her
Speaker 1: WW book. The Fabulous Mulah first got us of the
Speaker 1: squared circle in a display case but facing away from
Speaker 1: general view.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny. Yeah, so that's a I can imagine that.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of shit comes out about her
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, maybe we should you think that's
Speaker 2: what it was. They downplayed it. Yeah, we should kind
Speaker 2: of ma return this around a little bit so it's
Speaker 2: not in public.
Speaker 1: Was in Lapstom Todd, thank you for that one, Bud.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Chad Linquist, thank you for the increase in pledge show
Speaker 1: and we deeply appreciate that and your support. Zach has
Speaker 1: a whole Royal Rumble thing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He was fired up and we didn't get it in
Speaker 1: before he went. I hope he had a great time,
Speaker 1: but he was headed to the Rumble this year and
Speaker 1: he wanted Voss to let us know all about it.
Speaker 1: Please take it away on behalf of all, right, Zach.
Speaker 2: Here we go on behalf of Zack Holy shit, dear
Speaker 2: co chairs, I'm very excited to let you guys know
Speaker 2: that I am going to the Royal Rumble this year. Now,
Speaker 2: normally I wouldn't send you something like this. I have
Speaker 2: been to countless shows, just like the next fan, but
Speaker 2: this is different. Ever since the moment I had become
Speaker 2: a fan, I have been memorized, mesmerized by the Rumble,
Speaker 2: just like UJP. The Royal Rumble nine ninety one was
Speaker 2: the first show I had ever seen. I started watching
Speaker 2: in ninety eight ninety nine as an eight year old,
Speaker 2: but this was the first show I rented and saw
Speaker 2: the love of Hulk Hogan and the artwork alone drew
Speaker 2: me in. I mean, dude, the fact that you could
Speaker 2: find fucking ninety one Rumble in ninety eighty nine is
Speaker 2: actually real, absolutely yeah, because I remember it was not
Speaker 2: easy to find older, not that I was looking for
Speaker 2: him per se, because I was so like jaded and like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I don't want that old shit, I want
Speaker 2: them new, real stuff. Yep. But you know the fact
Speaker 2: that you were able to find that is really remarking.
Speaker 1: You had to find a video store that didn't really
Speaker 1: turn inventory. They just kept stuff forever.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's crazy. Uh. The lore of the Love of
Speaker 2: the Lore, Law of Hogan and the artwork alone drew
Speaker 2: me in one of the most underrated rumbles in history,
Speaker 2: I agree. Even if Knobs was in the final three,
Speaker 2: that show was the springboard to my fandom. It was
Speaker 2: a renting spree for life from there. Next I went
Speaker 2: into the eighty nine Rumble. I didn't know how to
Speaker 2: duplicate tapes of the time. Then later it was pulled
Speaker 2: from my video store due to being too old. I
Speaker 2: guess yes, So it was all but a vague memory.
Speaker 2: Mostly mostly just remember the unforgettable moment of Jake busting
Speaker 2: out the snake on Andre, Brother, bust on your snake
Speaker 2: on Andre? Dude? What cock dude Brother, seeing him terrified,
Speaker 2: the epic start with acts and smash charting still to
Speaker 2: this day, the greatest start to any rumble in history,
Speaker 2: and seeing the boss Man for the first time, and
Speaker 2: my five year old brother Nick saying that that was
Speaker 2: his favorite because he was a policeman. From there it
Speaker 2: was the ninety three to ninety four rumbles. Austin and
Speaker 2: Hogan were my favorites at the time, but Brett quickly
Speaker 2: rose up My rankings as I concurrently watched these old
Speaker 2: tapes along with discovering Nitro and Raw. At the same time,
Speaker 2: I got to watch my first live show at my
Speaker 2: uncle's The Royal Rumble nineteen ninety nine. I was playing
Speaker 2: with my cousin throughout the night, but I vividly remember
Speaker 2: Mankind being thrown off the balcony by the rock under
Speaker 2: the exploding entrance equipment. This was is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite matches of all time. M full too. He loves
Speaker 2: that match, loves that match so much. Right then, my
Speaker 2: other family friend taped this along with sold Out ninety
Speaker 2: nine for me. So this was the first pay per
Speaker 2: view tape I ever owned. You guys know how that
Speaker 2: is no matter how weird or bad the show is,
Speaker 2: it's your show, right, I agree, I mean, listen, that's
Speaker 2: the only that is the reason why I can love
Speaker 2: an awful show at the ninety three Rol Rumble, because
Speaker 2: that was my first ever pay per view and I
Speaker 2: and I kept it that way like it was. I
Speaker 2: didn't even ask right to buy like I was. So
Speaker 2: I was so enamored by the idea of the Royal
Speaker 2: Rumble that and I wanted to you know, I wanted
Speaker 2: so badly to buy the ninety two Rumble, but I said,
Speaker 2: I don't want another show, like I want my first
Speaker 2: pay per view to be a Royal Rumble. And that's
Speaker 2: what it was, and I'm okay with that. I like
Speaker 2: that show, and to me, it is a It is
Speaker 2: another tour de force performance by Bobby the Brainheenen and
Speaker 2: that's all I need. No matter how weird about the
Speaker 2: show is, it's your show. You may say Vince winning
Speaker 2: was weak, but you have to admit it was a
Speaker 2: very original idea, the ultimate swerve bro Austin and Vince
Speaker 2: starting off the match fighting in the bathroom in the
Speaker 2: middle of the match, then Vince winning. We all knew
Speaker 2: it was a foregune conclusion. Austin was winning in main
Speaker 2: eventing mania, Ah right, I know. It was like I
Speaker 2: was like, there's no way he can't win. But how's he?
Speaker 2: You know, are they really going to put a guy
Speaker 2: over the Rumble three years in a row like that
Speaker 2: never happened three years in a row. That's crazy talk.
Speaker 2: That'd be something. I think it would have been something. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think that would have been a great idea actually,
Speaker 2: But I mean, obviously you get a swear bro I understand.
Speaker 2: Royal Robot two thousand was another early recording I owned
Speaker 2: by my other U, my other uncle, with the beginning
Speaker 2: of the tape showing an infomercial for five seconds saying
Speaker 2: have you been called fat or fatty? Oh my god? What?
Speaker 2: Oh man? I love those fucking like still even those
Speaker 2: two thousand, late ninety barely two thousand like late nineties commercials,
Speaker 2: just like so awful. Then it quickly cut to the show.
Speaker 2: Fellow Laps fan Damien and I still laugh about this
Speaker 2: to this day. It also had another one of my
Speaker 2: favorite matches of all time, Cactus versus Triple H. I
Speaker 2: went to a SmackDown in two thousand as well, the
Speaker 2: first show I ever went to. I was there when
Speaker 2: Mankind turned into Cactus Jack and beat Triple H's ass.
Speaker 2: This moment played in the promo package at the Rumble,
Speaker 2: and I would always say I was there. I also
Speaker 2: bought the rock shirt that said layeth the smacketh down
Speaker 2: on your candy ass. My mom was so pissed off,
Speaker 2: pissed that my uncle let me buy this and made
Speaker 2: him laminate black all over the word ass. I love that.
Speaker 2: It's like my mom with the fucking James Bond have that. Nah, uh,
Speaker 2: you're going to a Catholic school, No way you can
Speaker 2: have that. Woman's took us hanging out there. I actually,
Speaker 2: you know, I got you know what I used to like.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite shirts that they would do was
Speaker 2: whatever city they were going to, they would print rock
Speaker 2: shirts that said finally the rock has come back too
Speaker 2: on the front and on the back it was the
Speaker 2: city that they were in, And so I liked that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I got woolster, but like for the most
Speaker 2: money making machine, it really was because like I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I wish it was Boston, but we were in Worcester,
Speaker 2: you know, Wasster Centrum after the two thousand and King
Speaker 2: of the Ring. So that was that. And I remember
Speaker 2: watching this show for the first time in the basement.
Speaker 2: It was rare that my whole family would hang out
Speaker 2: down there. It was a true I was a true
Speaker 2: basement dweller. But we had our family computer down there,
Speaker 2: the gateway two thousand. Holy shit, that's a computer if
Speaker 2: I ever heard one. Old school. My parents happened to
Speaker 2: be down there when the Bikini Contest came on because
Speaker 2: it was the live recording. It showed May Young showing
Speaker 2: her saggy tested with a good three second lag time
Speaker 2: for the censor twice. My mom was like, what is this?
Speaker 2: I was mortified. My mom didn't even let me watch
Speaker 2: MTV because of the women in the music videos, so
Speaker 2: I didn't know how she would react to this, But
Speaker 2: for some reason, she just made a joke out of it,
Speaker 2: bringing it up off and on for years to come.
Speaker 2: She didn't ban my nine year old self at the
Speaker 2: time for watching it. And of course the two thousand
Speaker 2: and one Rumbled, my favorite of all time, Jeff and
Speaker 2: Matt fighting in the beginning and Matt reacting a whole
Speaker 2: two seconds after getting hit. I don't know that's funny.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember that. Actually, the hardcore moments, the
Speaker 2: star Power with some of my favorites of all time,
Speaker 2: Stone Cold, the Rock of the Undertaker, and of course
Speaker 2: the Man Austin winning for the third time. Needless to say,
Speaker 2: the Royal Rumble, but I still hate the end. I
Speaker 2: agree it could have been the greatest rumble of all time,
Speaker 2: but that finished with him fucking using the chair over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. I'm Caine, I hate that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that, that's how he wins. He smashes a chair
Speaker 2: over Caine's head and that's what dumps him over the
Speaker 2: top rope. It's kind of goofy. I hate it. I
Speaker 2: hate it. That's why I hate the ending of WrestleMania seventeen.
Speaker 2: I hate the fact that he doesn't win with a
Speaker 2: stunner that he fucking just uses. I know, storyline purposes,
Speaker 2: great whatever, but yeah, that worked out. He sucks. Fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: It's like that should have been, that should have been
Speaker 2: really just unbelievable moments. But it's all.
Speaker 1: Downhill from there. I mean, it was have zagged and
Speaker 1: sometimes you can't recover from that.
Speaker 2: Like that fucking idiot Austin paranoid is ship like calm down,
Speaker 2: I know, like he stale. I can feel it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what. He fucking destroyed his own his own character.
Speaker 2: He destroyed Steve Austin. Amazing. It's not talked about enough.
Speaker 2: It isn't that he did it. Isn't that he did it,
Speaker 2: because it was never the same after that, it was
Speaker 2: never the same.
Speaker 1: He had like five six more years left as that
Speaker 1: Texas Texas rattlesnake that we all need kicking ass.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he went back to it. You know that's
Speaker 2: the proof, right, but it but you know what, it
Speaker 2: wasn't the same. It wasn't By the time he came
Speaker 2: back to it, he was like third from the top, right,
Speaker 2: and then he's fucking mid caarting with with Scott Hall.
Speaker 2: Yeah he I mean, what was I mean? I guess
Speaker 2: the last show he made event it would have been
Speaker 2: Survivor Series, right, he didn't made event another show after that?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about two thousand versaries? That's where he
Speaker 2: got hit by Rakishi series Versaries two thousand?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Winner take All if you consider him.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he did. He did made event with with Jericho.
Speaker 2: Jericho would have been the last one, no way out.
Speaker 2: That would have been the last main event. Unreal. That's
Speaker 2: crazy until WrestleMania with Kevin Owens made event at Night one.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's a main event right, yeah, other rioter. I
Speaker 2: needless to say that Roll Rumbo is my favorite show of
Speaker 2: all time. The Rumble is wrestling for me. I used
Speaker 2: to play every Rumble match in a row from ninety
Speaker 2: one the earliest I had to whatever the current one
Speaker 2: was in two thousands. I had other tapes, but these
Speaker 2: were always the go tos YEP So with all the
Speaker 2: anticipation leading up to this year's Rumble, you guys inspired
Speaker 2: me to get hyped. I decided to create my own journey.
Speaker 2: If you wheel, I'm playing every Rumble you guys have covered,
Speaker 2: which is most of them, the only casts missing from
Speaker 2: the laps timeline or eighty nine, ninety six, and ninety nine.
Speaker 2: It's cool ninety six anymore, Yep, just eighty ninety's the
Speaker 2: two Wow the decade there, eighty nine and ninety nine.
Speaker 2: It's been cool to hear the progression and regression of
Speaker 2: the Rumble match year by year and just really taking
Speaker 2: it in and analyzing each year, and hearing you guys
Speaker 2: talk about the lost rumbles from eighty seven, eighty eight,
Speaker 2: and ninety four. I was actually able to track down
Speaker 2: the full shows of both ninety four rumbles. In ninety four,
Speaker 2: wait both, I don't understand that. Didn't they have house
Speaker 2: show rumbles? Well? They did? What one? I think it
Speaker 2: was a MSG where Owen Hart, Yeah, one, something like that.
Speaker 2: I've only walked watched the match Owen won so far,
Speaker 2: and I've got to say I love that match. I
Speaker 2: think it's better than the actual ninety four Rouble Crush
Speaker 2: being the diesel of the match. Then Owen comes out
Speaker 2: and is the one to stand up to him. Then
Speaker 2: Brett comes out and is able to save his brother
Speaker 2: from being outnumbered by the heels. Plus you have the
Speaker 2: great Michael's Jeannetti moment. Like the official ninety four Rumble,
Speaker 2: I was also able to see that there was an
Speaker 2: inkling of possibly the worst the first ever Royal Rubble
Speaker 2: type match in nineteen seventy six, with the likes of
Speaker 2: Kevin Sullivan, Bobo Brazil, Bruiser Brody, Stan Hanson and Chief
Speaker 2: j Strongbow. The winner is not known, however, but the
Speaker 2: show's flyer advertises battle Royal eighteen wrestlers two at a
Speaker 2: time until we have a winner. Huh. Winner receives five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars two at a time. Yeah, that's not even
Speaker 2: timed intervals. That's one man has to be eliminated. Right.
Speaker 2: That's interesting though, But it's kind of a similar format
Speaker 2: in a way.
Speaker 1: Should they try that one year, do away with a
Speaker 1: countdown and just make it.
Speaker 2: Never never never never no no no no no, come on,
Speaker 2: you can't no no, they can do that for another show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, that would be an interesting anything that would
Speaker 2: be the Saudi one. It's kind of like a gauntlet.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, It's kind of like a gauntlet type match,
Speaker 2: you know, but you throw them over the top rope.
Speaker 2: I mean, be interesting for sure, but definitely not. You can't.
Speaker 2: The countdown is key. Countdown is key for the format works.
Speaker 2: Don't fuck it up the two times they've tried to
Speaker 2: change it. They fucked it up when you when you
Speaker 2: when you made it a minute, sucked when you added
Speaker 2: forty wrestlers. It sucks down. Don't fucking touch it how
Speaker 2: it goes. I also saw there was one in the
Speaker 2: us W a h on January third, ninety six that
Speaker 2: was won by Doug Gilbert and w House.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we go on to cover Rumble ninety
Speaker 1: six and we go on to cover that that actually
Speaker 1: qualifies him for the rumble.
Speaker 2: Yep, oh wow, that's right. That's right.
Speaker 1: They had a pretty close working relationship with USWA at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: And a WW house show on November twenty nine, ninety six,
Speaker 2: which was a twenty man rumble in White Plains, New
Speaker 2: York won by the Blue Chipper Rocky Maya Villa. Wow
Speaker 2: did we talk about that? Now? I've never heard of
Speaker 2: that before. I've never heard of that either. I had
Speaker 2: no idea about the tag one on Raw in eighty
Speaker 2: eight with Caine ninety eight with Cain and Mankind winning.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that at all either. I don't remember
Speaker 2: that that was the same night as the as the
Speaker 2: Raw Tag Hell in a Cell match, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: I also didn't know they had a five man rumble
Speaker 2: on SmackDown in September ninety nine. I remember that, like
Speaker 2: they've done like mini rumbles and stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: know to do stuff. The journey also brought on another thing,
Speaker 2: making my brother an official lapsed fan. He used to
Speaker 2: watch shows and tapes back in the day with me,
Speaker 2: but as adults, he only really had time to keep
Speaker 2: up with current wrestling. It's on literally every day of
Speaker 2: the week if you follow TNA and a W two.
Speaker 2: He's going with me to the Rumble this year, so
Speaker 2: I told him about the journey I was embarking on.
Speaker 2: I have been bringing up the cast for years. He
Speaker 2: gave it a chance years ago, but determined it was
Speaker 2: too long and he lost interest. With all the crevices
Speaker 2: you guys dive into with each show, it's the crevices
Speaker 2: that matter yes, pal, I say that again. All right,
Speaker 2: that's that's yeah. You try to block us from your crevis.
Speaker 2: All right, again, we find we borrow in where Carpenter
Speaker 2: fucking girling. All right, we find our spot, we borrow
Speaker 2: in and we live in that. Take up all right,
Speaker 2: take up residence in your anus. But this journey to
Speaker 2: go along with going to the Rumble intrigued him, so
Speaker 2: he's been listening almost every day. He is also making
Speaker 2: time into his wrestling schedule to watch every Old Rumble show.
Speaker 2: In sequence, I'm so proud going on the journey. I've
Speaker 2: come to realize a few things. There is pretty much
Speaker 2: always a random tag match on the show with people
Speaker 2: not good enough to be in the Rumble. That's true.
Speaker 2: That's true. The boss Man, for some reason, always has
Speaker 2: a singles match ninety ninety one, ninety three nine. That
Speaker 2: ninety three match with Bam Bam was actually a barn burner.
Speaker 2: By the way, I agree. I think it's an underrated match.
Speaker 2: He puts. He puts Bam Bam over Huge in his
Speaker 2: little in his swan song out of the company, and
Speaker 2: Matt got me thinking, who has the who has had
Speaker 2: the most non Rumble matches at the Rumble Roman reigns, Undertaker,
Speaker 2: Randy Orton and Triple H have had six. John Cena
Speaker 2: and Kevin Owens this year have each have seven matches.
Speaker 2: That's crazy to me, considering Ko only had the Universal
Speaker 2: title for a cup of coffee. Some of these non
Speaker 2: Rumble matches are some of the greatest and my most
Speaker 2: favorite in the history of w Besides rock versus Mankind
Speaker 2: Form nty nine and Triple H versus Cactus from two
Speaker 2: thousand and I mentioned, it also has some other all
Speaker 2: time classics Rockers versus or An Express ninety one yep, yep, great,
Speaker 2: the opener of my life of wrestling. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I'll never forget because I'm sitting there,
Speaker 2: you know the first time I rented that tape. Okay,
Speaker 2: I rented that tape and I had my friends come
Speaker 2: over and we watch it, and that is the opening match,
Speaker 2: and we were fucking blown away by that match, Like
Speaker 2: what the fuck? I mean listen, by that point, I
Speaker 2: had I knew Pat Tanaka was a fucking jobber. I
Speaker 2: knew Cato was a jobber. What business did they have
Speaker 2: having a fucking match like that with the Rockers? Absolutely
Speaker 2: who gave them the right to do that? So amazing
Speaker 2: Jumping Bomb Angels versus the Glamour Girls I n. Eighty eight. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: that is a that is great stuff, such a glorious
Speaker 2: fucking Remember when we saw that for the first time
Speaker 2: and we're like, what the fuck is this? Oh, they're
Speaker 2: doing these moves in the WWF and Zerra Right Parties
Speaker 2: versus Dudley's Tables match from two thousand, Triple H versus
Speaker 2: versus Sean Michael's Last Man Standing in two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: Sena versus Rollins versus Lesard twenty fifteen, Sena versus Styles
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, Brett and Owen versus the Quebecers in ninety four.
Speaker 2: Even other matches I wouldn't consider great but are still
Speaker 2: pretty damn good, like Brett versus Brett versus Razor is
Speaker 2: way better than than bretton Owen versus Quebecers. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yoko versus Taker Seiners versus Beverley's is awesome.
Speaker 2: I love that one one of the greatest Frankensteiners of
Speaker 2: all time. That's what I think of right away, as
Speaker 2: him spiking him on his head. Yep, because like the
Speaker 2: because you know, and I said this before, but what
Speaker 2: makes it so great is is is youo somehow? I mean,
Speaker 2: that's somehow. I mean, obviously there's something there is physics
Speaker 2: here to work. But he he takes it, lands on
Speaker 2: his head, but then like his shoulders go down and
Speaker 2: then us that's been so fucking phenomenal Brett versus Diesel
Speaker 2: and Sean versus Taker, and I hate to call it
Speaker 2: a classic before it happens, but all signs point to
Speaker 2: Kao versus Cody in the ladder match being a class
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Was it good?
Speaker 1: It probably cost him his career honestly, is he yea,
Speaker 1: he he's out or Mania. He basically announced that he
Speaker 1: might have a career ending injury to his neck.
Speaker 2: No shit, wow, Codin, she better give him a fucking
Speaker 2: Christians another guy that Ko made.
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't make like single handedly, but you know,
Speaker 1: put into a position to really stand out from everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yep. But as far as the Rumbo match itself, eighty
Speaker 2: nine to ninety four of the Golden years for me,
Speaker 2: ninety five, ninety seven suck, ninety eight to two thousand
Speaker 2: are decent. Two thousand and one two thousand and seven
Speaker 2: are good great, good to great stuff dozand one and
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven are great. I don't think I
Speaker 2: liked much of the ones in between either. I think
Speaker 2: they are does dozend three is okay, doesn't four is good,
Speaker 2: dosand five not good. Thousand and six is not good
Speaker 2: mainly honestly, it could have been the greatest rumble of
Speaker 2: all time if it wanted to be. But the problem
Speaker 2: is it's in the middle of the show. It's even
Speaker 2: worse than not going on last the middle of the shows.
Speaker 2: That the year they had Angle and Mark Henry in
Speaker 2: the end, yeah, because the and the reason they had
Speaker 2: it was because they broke the fucking ring. Maybe don't
Speaker 2: do that. Maybe that's at the end right one? That
Speaker 2: year six that would have been that was Ray. It
Speaker 2: was Ray mysterious. Oh yeah, to get the triple threat,
Speaker 2: ye right right, Well, not yet. They were gonna he
Speaker 2: was gonna lose. Was he was gonna lose the title
Speaker 2: shot to Randy Yorton. They were they were obsessed with
Speaker 2: Randy Yorton and they were gonna put him over no
Speaker 2: matter what. But than the fans almost put him over.
Speaker 2: Undertaker of the Year before to break the streak, right right,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. And that's the only time I
Speaker 2: ever thought they should have done it, that's true. The
Speaker 2: only time it made sense I thought they should have
Speaker 2: done it. Then I was like, you know, to me,
Speaker 2: to me him, I actually thought that that that that
Speaker 2: that Randy Yorton losing that match actually set him back
Speaker 2: quite a bit.
Speaker 1: And that was that was them saying, I'm they flirted
Speaker 1: with the idea of putting him over, but he was
Speaker 1: such a head case backstage at that point. He was
Speaker 1: so pilled out, he was so rash and just acting
Speaker 1: like incredibly immaturely on the road.
Speaker 2: And is that when he was shitting in people's.
Speaker 1: Bags, prone to fits of anger, and he was he
Speaker 1: was high all the time.
Speaker 2: It was bad.
Speaker 1: They they they had a real problem on their hands
Speaker 1: with him back then. M It's pretty funny how it
Speaker 1: worked out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, right, that was pretty bad until
Speaker 2: I would say the twenty eighteen Women's Rumble. That's not
Speaker 2: the first one. Yeah, that was a good That was
Speaker 2: a great rubble. Actually, I like that one. Some good
Speaker 2: and bad ones after that. Twenty twenty was pretty great too.
Speaker 2: That's the Lessenard thing. Yeah, lessner owning the first half,
Speaker 2: with the star power at the end and the edge
Speaker 2: return made it one of the few all timers from
Speaker 2: this era. Yeah, okay, if you if you like that
Speaker 2: kind of shit, sure, Yeah. I was reading the sport
Speaker 2: ki the sport Keita sport Keita what. Yeah, it's a website, oh,
Speaker 2: ranking of the greatest rumbles of all time, and they
Speaker 2: put ninety two number nine and twenty twenty number one.
Speaker 2: What that is bullsh that that's written by fucking idiots,
Speaker 2: fucking fucking idiots who probably never even watched the fucking
Speaker 2: ninety two rumble, And I thought that was just absurd,
Speaker 2: Probably someone in their twenties ranking that shit. My favorite
Speaker 2: is two thousand and one, but objectively, I would have
Speaker 2: to put ninety two is the greatest of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think it will ever be topped. But on
Speaker 2: that note, what are your top guys, top five man
Speaker 2: biased favorite rumble matches of all time? Ninety two, ninety one,
Speaker 2: ninety I really like ninety seven. Actually I do like
Speaker 2: ninety seven quite a bit. Oh you're crazy, I know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that floated into my mind, but
Speaker 1: uh oh four oh one. I like, uh, I like
Speaker 1: ninety M.
Speaker 2: I would say ninety one is my all time favorite,
Speaker 2: always will be. I'll never take that out. I think
Speaker 2: ninety two is the best rumble, but still not my favorite.
Speaker 2: But I put ninety two is number two. I would
Speaker 2: put ninety as number three, I would put ninety three
Speaker 2: is number four, and I would put two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven is as number five. Ninety three. Wow, only because
Speaker 2: it's just I got a love for it. I got
Speaker 2: love for seven the best. He said favorites A dozen
Speaker 2: seven is a great one. Forgot about seven is a
Speaker 2: great one. Yeah, dozend seven has got the serious sea
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, where you don't know who's gonna win.
Speaker 2: And it was fucking great. Yeah, it's true. I kind
Speaker 2: of just discount a lot of the post two thousand,
Speaker 2: onesousand and seven because it was also it was the
Speaker 2: first time where where it didn't feel like it didn't
Speaker 2: feel like guys are getting tossed left and right, like
Speaker 2: people actually were there for a while, like you know,
Speaker 2: after ninety three and ninety four. Actually really it started
Speaker 2: in ninety five with the with the minute intervals were
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, everybody's just being cost like
Speaker 2: there was just no, it didn't feel like people were
Speaker 2: in there for a while except for the people who
Speaker 2: were going to be in there for a while. It
Speaker 2: just it didn't It didn't feel as spontaneous as as
Speaker 2: as it did because it it felt like guys were
Speaker 2: in there for a while and then they just get
Speaker 2: tossed out and just like, oh wow, I can't believe
Speaker 2: they were in there for that line. You know that
Speaker 2: that guy, like by the fact it was Valentine in
Speaker 2: there for forty five minutes, you know, Jesus Christ. So yeah,
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven was the first time where
Speaker 2: I was like, this feels old school, Like it felt
Speaker 2: like an old school rumble, And then it had that
Speaker 2: crazy ass ten minute one on one thing that was
Speaker 2: just unbelievable. Yeah, it's a great one. I should have
Speaker 2: wound in there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like the one with AJ and Diesel came back.
Speaker 1: I like that one. I think that's fifteen that Roman
Speaker 1: won that one, right or no he won and yeah
Speaker 1: he won fifteen. Yeah, so that sucked, but I like
Speaker 1: that felt very veentful that one. I feel like they
Speaker 1: really pulled some rabbits out of the hat to make
Speaker 1: the match, like really pop that first Woman's one. It's
Speaker 1: good as the ones in recent years have all been good.
Speaker 1: They've been you know, fun to watch, but they just
Speaker 1: they fade, you know, the memory.
Speaker 2: They don't write. That's the thing, Like, they don't they
Speaker 2: don't stand out like.
Speaker 1: The one this year seems so awesome when Jay won,
Speaker 1: but now about two months later, I'm like, really, what
Speaker 1: do I really remember about that? You know, I don't
Speaker 1: remember anything about it, Drew getting pissed off that any
Speaker 1: night got in the way, and these little like trivia
Speaker 1: notes more than I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing, I don't remember a damn thing about
Speaker 2: it all. I just remember, Yeah, but I can remember that.
Speaker 2: That's part of what I'm what I think of is like,
Speaker 2: what what rumbles can I really like? That have have
Speaker 2: meant so much to me that I've watched them over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. That's the only way I
Speaker 2: can rate a well rumble. And again It's why crappy
Speaker 2: rumble technically can like ninety three can be in my
Speaker 2: top five because I've seen it so many times. I
Speaker 2: know every single beast in that fucking match, and so
Speaker 2: I'll always cherish it because it has it has a
Speaker 2: fondness for me, so we close this one. The reason
Speaker 2: I sent this email was to convey just how much
Speaker 2: excitement I have being able to literally live out a
Speaker 2: childhood dream. Just something as simple as being able to
Speaker 2: count down from ten is going to be an amazing experience,
Speaker 2: living the surprises in person, being a part of and
Speaker 2: having genuine pops throughout the show, being able to see
Speaker 2: another possible five star match in the annals of Rumble history,
Speaker 2: I feel like I've relived the history with you guys.
Speaker 2: I know these are some of your favorite shows too,
Speaker 2: and now I will be a part of the history
Speaker 2: of the Royal Rumble saying I was there in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. Thank you for rumble Mania, thank you for
Speaker 2: unknowingly giving me the evolution of the Rumble journey, and
Speaker 2: thank you for giving me this outlet to speak my
Speaker 2: excitement through.
Speaker 1: Glad to do it, Zach, and we can identify because
Speaker 1: I will say, of all the wrestling shows I've been
Speaker 1: to go into that Rumble at O three, that was
Speaker 1: like one of the most like flutter of my stomach
Speaker 1: ones ever because yeah, you're about to participate in just
Speaker 1: like he's saying, the countdown and all the special things
Speaker 1: of a Rumble.
Speaker 2: The only Rumble I've ever been to live. I think.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been in rub Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's gonna go to just go to some of those,
Speaker 2: I know. I mean, I guess they've never really been
Speaker 2: close by. Not really, No, that's true, job they I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm one. Last one they did in New York was
Speaker 2: was it? It wasn't to us? And eight wasn't the
Speaker 2: last one.
Speaker 1: I think it was because they've been doing all these
Speaker 1: stadium scale arenas now and they tend to do you know,
Speaker 1: second tier cities for Rumble. It's a it's a you know,
Speaker 1: a stadium show they can do without it having to
Speaker 1: be a huge metropolitan area like Indianapolis and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't think of the closest one to us when
Speaker 1: it was. That's a great point. Maybe they did Philly.
Speaker 2: I remember, I'll take a look here and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: Philly was in twenty fifteen. I think yep, like Florida.
Speaker 1: Never coming back to Providence again, they're never going to
Speaker 1: be in Oh no, no, had those dis.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, especially you know they can't even do
Speaker 2: a fucking stadium up here in the winter. It's true too,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. The last that was close by so
Speaker 2: like it was. Yeah, the last one that was close
Speaker 2: by was twenty eighteen in Philly. Yeah, and that's not
Speaker 2: really that close. That's kind of funny, like twenty to
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen were both in uh in Philly.
Speaker 2: That is funny.
Speaker 1: It is funny now too that they're that they're all
Speaker 1: about stadiums for the Royal Rumble, like we're never going
Speaker 1: to get one of the East coast again, like the Northeast.
Speaker 2: No ever, because we don't. We don't even have any
Speaker 2: domed stadium. We would, if we write, if we had
Speaker 2: a dome stadium, we could, but nope, we don't, So
Speaker 2: fuck it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Joe Bernina, thank you so much for joining the moteeer.
Speaker 1: My friend Tony Garvey, thank you so much for the pledge.
Speaker 1: We deeply appreciated Christopher Wright. This was literally like watching
Speaker 1: a rumble on the floor with my hasbros. You know
Speaker 1: what he's talking about When he wrote that boss wrestle
Speaker 1: Mamia to the nineteen ninety rumble.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Oh that's a long that's a long time coming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like watching her. You know, we watch him, We watch
Speaker 2: I watched it. We watch it in preparation for you know,
Speaker 2: I mean we've obviously watched it way in advance. But
Speaker 2: I watch it every you know, right to the uh
Speaker 2: you know when I'm watching, and I always put a
Speaker 2: rumble right by the rumble, and I'm doing them in
Speaker 2: order with my mom. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another reason to keep your eyes locked to wrestle
Speaker 1: Momy revisit totally in the past versions of the upcoming show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he remembers his rumble on the floor with his Hasbros,
Speaker 1: with his mom doing the ironing behind him, getting weirdly invested,
Speaker 1: but constantly forgetting the one rule of the match. The
Speaker 1: one rule of the match had to be reminded of
Speaker 1: Todd Wright, still laughing from when a few entrants into
Speaker 1: the match.
Speaker 2: My fucking mom. My mom does the same thing, like
Speaker 2: watching these matches with her now, she she cannot remember
Speaker 2: that you have to be pinned on your back, right,
Speaker 2: She says, Well, wait a minute, why isn't he Mom?
Speaker 2: Is gonna be on his back and his shoulders aren't
Speaker 2: not counting out like boxing, So why aren't they counting?
Speaker 2: That's funny, she says that. But they do sometimes pretend
Speaker 2: to have standing ten counts in wrestling, you know, we
Speaker 2: do sometimes pretend that you only have ten seconds to
Speaker 2: gheit to your feet. It's weird, I know, compending on the.
Speaker 1: Match Todd on that same wrestle Mommy in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble episode right, still laughing from when a few
Speaker 1: entrants into the match, it is revealed it up until
Speaker 1: that point your mother was under the impression that she
Speaker 1: was watching the nineteen nineteen Royal Rumble. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of great feedback on our interview with Brian Penry,
Speaker 1: who was a creative consultant for Creative Director the first
Speaker 1: one WW have had design the logo, all the rest.
Speaker 1: You know, it's in the archives. If you skipped the
Speaker 1: shame on you. It's really relevatory and such a great
Speaker 1: kind of download of a unique vantage point on a
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon that's coming into his own and realizing all
Speaker 1: these licensing opportunities, in these NBC opportunities and becoming a
Speaker 1: different person than the guy Brian knew, starting very humbly
Speaker 1: owning the Cape Cod Coliseum and getting started with Linda
Speaker 1: with out really a pot to piss in, so to speak,
Speaker 1: and slowly winning over his father and getting in control
Speaker 1: of the company. But Andrew Key doing something that I
Speaker 1: think is so important from that interview, he wrote, Vince's
Speaker 1: failed construction companies and Linda forcing him to make amends
Speaker 1: with his dad to get into the wrestling business explains
Speaker 1: so much about that, It really does. And Brian's memory
Speaker 1: of Vince, you know, after a hard day's work, saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's time for a tall one.
Speaker 2: I love That's That's still the greatest fucking ship.
Speaker 1: Chris writes coach here, I don't know how you tracked
Speaker 1: down Brian Penry, but this was a first ballot TLFX
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Imagine living in a world we're moving
Speaker 1: down a Manhattan's mowing down rather a Manhattan squeegee guy
Speaker 1: is the rational alternative to returning Vince his defaced Lincoln Continental. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the phenomenal. Yeah, that's a great story. He tells of
Speaker 1: being responsible for Vince's Lincoln Continental once and you.
Speaker 2: Know, are you ready for someone by the way, this
Speaker 2: is something I didn't fucking know. This is totally about
Speaker 2: shorty rumbles here do you know that as of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, As of twenty twenty three, the entry number
Speaker 2: that has won the most Royal Rumbles It took until
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, by the way for this to happen
Speaker 2: is number thirty. Oh my god, it's sypathetic. It kind
Speaker 2: of is actually like bec is this year? Yeah, the
Speaker 2: first one whoever won by No. No. Twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: was Cody Codens to number thirty and then twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, two thousand and eight, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Like the fact that two thousand and seven the Undertaker
Speaker 2: was the first one to win at number thirty is
Speaker 2: also pathetic, right, you know that's advantage, Like, honestly, if
Speaker 2: you know, to really set the thing going, it's John
Speaker 2: Studd should have been number thirty in eighty nine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: honestly that should have been the thing because that been
Speaker 2: right there makes number thirty a.
Speaker 1: Threat, protects the psychology of the match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they had done it from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: If they didn't, they.
Speaker 1: Probably didn't even know how long it was going to go.
Speaker 1: They probably didn't see it having the legs that did
Speaker 1: to you know, book with well, yeah, six rumbles in
Speaker 1: the future, you know, it'll be important to establish x
Speaker 1: y Z. Steve Key did another great thing from the
Speaker 1: Brian Penry interview. It was like he had just walked
Speaker 1: off the plantation with a mint jewel up in his hand.
Speaker 1: That is Brian Penry describing Jim Barnett, which was so
Speaker 1: fun because it kind of felt like Brian forgot about
Speaker 1: jim Zy until we mentioned him, brought him up, and
Speaker 1: he said, oh my god, that guy. Tremendous to find
Speaker 1: someone out in the wild who has these deep seated
Speaker 1: memories of all these colorful, pivotal characters in the WWF
Speaker 1: history and never apparently ever having an outlet to tell
Speaker 1: these stories, you know, never having anyone ask him in
Speaker 1: a way that activated his mind about all these people.
Speaker 1: And it turns out he was like right there for
Speaker 1: so many critical moments in time and decisions, and you know,
Speaker 1: the kind of photo shoots that he went out and
Speaker 1: did in the earliest days of promoting WrestleMania one just
Speaker 1: just amazing, really really proud of that one. And Brian's
Speaker 1: such a great guy. He's kept in touch with us.
Speaker 1: He's even sent us some of his prints and stuff.
Speaker 1: I hope some members of the Solar System were able
Speaker 1: to meet up with him at the Connecticut con that
Speaker 1: he was plugging on the interview. But a big ups
Speaker 1: to that guy. Very glad to have made his acquaintance.
Speaker 2: This phenomenal guy. Phenomenal absolutely spent.
Speaker 1: A lot of time talking during the Saturday Night's Made
Speaker 1: Event Episode one coverage that we did about the time
Speaker 1: Hulk Cogan and Mister T hosted Saturday Night Live, thus
Speaker 1: beginning in a lot of ways the NBC relationship before
Speaker 1: WrestleMania won. A lot of digging as to why and
Speaker 1: how they became hosts. Was the host in fact sick?
Speaker 2: Was he not? Was there a writer's strike? Was there not?
Speaker 1: What really factored in to putting Hulk Cogan in Mister
Speaker 1: T in that coveted hosting spot in kind of an
Speaker 1: impromptu fashion? Well, of course Tomasinasio did some digging.
Speaker 2: He knows how to dig around.
Speaker 1: One of the things he contributed, he said, that's interesting
Speaker 1: considering the writer's strike was over by the nineteenth, so
Speaker 1: he's writing, let me let me try to keep this
Speaker 1: in order as I think, Corey. Yeah, Corey in Winnipeg wrote,
Speaker 1: I had read that about a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: looking for info and why the host backed out. I
Speaker 1: can't call the specifics. The interview was not related to wrestling. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm losing the context here. Oh, he does say before
Speaker 1: I forget the switch from Animation's Obsession, the original theme
Speaker 1: song for Saturday Night's main event that we spent so
Speaker 1: much time celebrating. He said, the switch from that to
Speaker 1: the SNM a theme that we would later know Dent
Speaker 1: Dent Tent. Yeah, was the main event Febry fifth, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight.
Speaker 2: The oh wow is it?
Speaker 1: That year's January Saturday It's main event still had the
Speaker 1: an emotion song. So that's that's good. That's something we
Speaker 1: were wondering aloud about and weren't quite sure how to take. Okay,
Speaker 1: so back to this back and forth, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Corey had written for Hogan and Tea hosting SNL.
Speaker 1: The host didn't get sick. He pulled out of the
Speaker 1: gig the week of the show because of an expected
Speaker 1: writers strike. I see an expected writer strike.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Steve Landsberg from the TV show, Bernie Miller was the
Speaker 1: scheduled host. He still appears, that's right. We did establish
Speaker 1: that and does a stand up bit on the show.
Speaker 1: That's what struck us as weird. He wasn't sick. He
Speaker 1: was on the show. Ultimately, he was on the show.
Speaker 1: And we also noted this the show was the only
Speaker 1: one that doesn't have a weekend update segment on it.
Speaker 2: Wow. So somebody even.
Speaker 1: Asked us on Patroon, would we ever just deep dive
Speaker 1: the Hogan mister t Saturday Night Live. I don't know,
Speaker 1: kind of seems like under the cinemat adjacent more than
Speaker 1: the main show.
Speaker 2: Worthy, but might have an idea. Yeah, that's something like
Speaker 2: we could do.
Speaker 1: So that's I consider it an attempt to kind of
Speaker 1: set some things straight. But Tom wrote back a series
Speaker 1: of findings. One of them was, let's see that's interesting,
Speaker 1: he writes, considering the writer's strike was over by the nineteenth.
Speaker 1: He was originally supposed to host the show on the
Speaker 1: sixteenth Steve Landisburg, which was bumped because of the strike.
Speaker 1: He pulled out of that one for sure. Okay, so
Speaker 1: there was a Saturday Night's Live that Steve Landisburg pulled
Speaker 1: out of but it wasn't the one that Hulk Cogan
Speaker 1: and mister T ended up hosting. Now I get the confusion.
Speaker 1: The thirtieth Hulkin T's episode, he writes, was supposed to
Speaker 1: be a rerun. I see, I didn't know that. Really,
Speaker 1: I think hulkon T were going to make an appearance
Speaker 1: on the sixteenth. Tom writes, by the time the thirtieth
Speaker 1: show came around, it looks like Landisburg had a conflict
Speaker 1: and couldn't host, So really a lot of dumb luck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he said something in the press that we read
Speaker 1: about having to go to a family emergency or a
Speaker 1: family related thing, like a right engagement of some type.
Speaker 1: Maybe not an emergency, but an engagement. Yeah, by the
Speaker 1: time the thirtieth show came around, it looks like Landisburg
Speaker 1: had a conflict that to say, March third, thirtieth and
Speaker 1: couldn't host. So really a lot of dumb luck went
Speaker 1: into Hogan and Tea hosting the night before Mania. The
Speaker 1: no weekend update segment is fascinating, though Downey seems to
Speaker 1: have written on the thirtieth show, so not sure why
Speaker 1: him and Chris Guest didn't write an update. Has to
Speaker 1: have something to do with the strike, but lord knows
Speaker 1: what he says. Tom says further to Steve Landisburg, it
Speaker 1: looks like he had a conflict in the week of
Speaker 1: the thirtieth and couldn't rehearse. But that was also during
Speaker 1: a time they were using revolving guest hosts to give
Speaker 1: the show more rhythm post Eddie Murphy. That's right now.
Speaker 1: We talked about that too, so who knows. They easily
Speaker 1: could have slotted someone else in. It doesn't look like
Speaker 1: Landisburg was specifically bumped from Mania Saturday night's main event promotion,
Speaker 1: but Eversall did make the call for Hogan and te
Speaker 1: to host as opposed to using one of their old standbys.
Speaker 1: So much dumb luck went into Mania one success.
Speaker 2: It's just wild to think about. It's so true.
Speaker 1: It's not just it's not just that they happened into
Speaker 1: the celebrities, it's what the celebrities are able to do
Speaker 1: with that time. Tom further writes a few notes on
Speaker 1: eighty five TV. Dear co chairman, all the talk of
Speaker 1: network TV history as my mind buzzing, But no one
Speaker 1: needs to hear another long die tribe from me. Yes
Speaker 1: they do about the mechanics of the TV business. So
Speaker 1: I thought I'd just thrown a few quick notes. One
Speaker 1: the reason why Vince couldn't mention Saturday Night's main event
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Night Titans, Yeah, we talked about that. Why
Speaker 1: is there no promotion for this huge NBC thing was
Speaker 1: centered around the Time Inc. Paramount Co ownership of USA,
Speaker 1: Time Inc. Had a strong standing policy that any promotion
Speaker 1: of another network shows on USA had to involve a
Speaker 1: quid pro quo. USA wanted TNT promoted on NBC in
Speaker 1: exchange for USA promoting Saturday Night's main event.
Speaker 2: That's not happening.
Speaker 1: NBC's advertising team, already skeptical of wrestling's ability to draw
Speaker 1: the eighteen to three before audience that NBC had built
Speaker 1: their comeback on under Brandon Tartakoff, refused the deal, and
Speaker 1: hence the first Saturday Night's main event wasn't advertised or
Speaker 1: promoted on USA. It's great intel, and I trust that
Speaker 1: it's sourced well too. NBC's local affiliates had an outsized
Speaker 1: influence in NBC programming decisions and how they were promoted. Yes,
Speaker 1: they've always heard this about NBC that, unlike the other
Speaker 1: networks like Fox, NBC's local affiliates really have a lot
Speaker 1: of power for some reason. They like I can straight
Speaker 1: up say like I don't care what you want to
Speaker 1: put in prime time, We're putting news, and you're just
Speaker 1: going to have to find another way, whereas Fox can
Speaker 1: force that and force the local news and the local
Speaker 1: affiliates to do whatever they want. There's some imbalance in
Speaker 1: the contractual language that NBC has visa the affiliates compared
Speaker 1: to the other national networks. Anyway, in the late seventies
Speaker 1: early eighties, he writes, during Fred Silderman's ill Faded Rain,
Speaker 1: NBC lost local affiliates had an unprecedented rate, especially after
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter pulled Team USA out of the Moscow Olympics,
Speaker 1: almost bankrupting NBC. Of course, we know the Olympics are
Speaker 1: basically the heart of NBC's operation. That's where a lot
Speaker 1: of the money is made is advertising against the Olympics.
Speaker 1: When Silverman was finally ousted in eighty one, Grant Tinker
Speaker 1: became chairman and CEO of the network and immediately went
Speaker 1: to work wooing the affiliates back by offering unprecedented sweetheart deals.
Speaker 1: See that's where it comes from right there, they're under pressure,
Speaker 1: giving the affiliates a tremendous amount of freedom as to
Speaker 1: how and what they promoted. This was an incredibly risky strategy,
Speaker 1: as affiliates were more likely to see overnights and abandoned
Speaker 1: shows faster than NBC wanted, and all likelihood it led
Speaker 1: to the disastrous nineteen eighty three season, which saw none
Speaker 1: of the nine new programs NBC had green Lip make
Speaker 1: it to the second season, despite Tartakoff pre Wow President
Speaker 1: of Entertainment Undertinker, pleading for patients. Yet it also helped
Speaker 1: lead to NBC's turnaround the next season, as the affiliate
Speaker 1: saw The Cosby Show as a hit before the network
Speaker 1: execs and gave it twice the local advertising time that
Speaker 1: NBC was giving it on their Holy owned stations. My
Speaker 1: guess is NBC produced fifteen second, very cheap bumpers for
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's made event, the ones on YouTube that you
Speaker 1: played in the SA Enemy episode, but the affiliates had
Speaker 1: carte blanche to advertise it any way they saw fit.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned my last email, my uncle claims that
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, Saturday Night's main event was promoted as a
Speaker 1: mini WrestleMania. I think that was probably the case across
Speaker 1: a WWF strongholds in the northeastern mid Atlantic and only
Speaker 1: in the import affiliate cities like Saint Louis, Chicago, and Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: in which wrestling was a known rating straw. It was
Speaker 1: a safe way for NBC to dip their toe into
Speaker 1: bringing wrestling back to network while also being able to
Speaker 1: pull the plug if it was an abject failure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true too. Gee, by being an NBC there playing
Speaker 1: a risky game of affiliates saying Nope, not on my
Speaker 1: network wrestling. Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 1: The articles you found mentioning Snemy potentially being a monthly
Speaker 1: show indicate that the first episode was a variation of
Speaker 1: a backdoor pilot. Backdoor pilots are usually spin offs of
Speaker 1: existing shows, a bait and switch that uses a time slot.
Speaker 2: We were We talked about this with something on Cinement
Speaker 2: I don't remember h a reference to Twin Peaks. You, No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't. I was thinking that might have been it,
Speaker 2: but I don't think we did. I don't because the
Speaker 2: the spin off for Sherylyn Fenn wasn't. Wasn't uh a
Speaker 2: backdoor pilot, but I'm thinking actually Baywatch might have been it,
Speaker 2: because I think I think there was a plan m
Speaker 2: for Thunder and Paradise to a no no, Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: at some point Thunder Paris was going to be a
Speaker 2: spin off. We're going to do a backdoor pilot or
Speaker 2: something like that on inspired the show. For sure, I
Speaker 2: forget about I forget how that all worked. I don't
Speaker 2: remember some I know I've talked about backdoor pilots before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're basically trying to saddle onto an existing hot against.
Speaker 2: Well, what you're doing is you're you're putting you're basically
Speaker 2: taking an episode of of a of a of a show,
Speaker 2: and you're kind of instead of following with your normal characters,
Speaker 2: like you'll introduce a new character in that episode and
Speaker 2: that character will kind of take over that episode for
Speaker 2: the last one left off right and then and then
Speaker 2: that so that that kind of becomes what they call
Speaker 2: a backdoor pilot, so that they've they've added it, They've
Speaker 2: included it in an already existing show with the intention
Speaker 2: of creating a different show. I love that.
Speaker 1: N cis Tom Notes is the most recent example of
Speaker 1: successful backdoor pilot, with CSI as the progenitor. SNME was
Speaker 1: obviously not a spin off of Saturday Night Live, but
Speaker 1: by marketing it is preempting SNL a reorn of SNL, since,
Speaker 1: as the cast pointed out, SNL's season was already over.
Speaker 1: It's clear that ever Saul was presenting SNME as a
Speaker 1: potential monthly replacement for SNL, which wasn't officially even renewed
Speaker 1: until Lord Michaels agreed to return. Although I have no
Speaker 1: proof of this, SNME probably didn't end up with the
Speaker 1: monthly time slot simply because it was wrestling. As Jack
Speaker 1: pointed out, SMMME drew similar ratings to the faltering Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live and eighty forty five. But even with the
Speaker 1: rock and wrestling connection and all the efforts to market
Speaker 1: wrestling as an ironic postmodern reimagining of the every man
Speaker 1: morality plays of the sixteenth century that the sophisticated and
Speaker 1: unsophisticated audience could enjoy on different levels, and that's a
Speaker 1: great description. It didn't fit NBC's idea of itself as
Speaker 1: the producer of slick, fast paced, high concept dramas and
Speaker 1: quick witted, sardonic with a heart sitcoms, making it the
Speaker 1: go to network for yuppies. Despite Eversall's efforts, I doubt
Speaker 1: he could convince Brendon Tartakoff's acolytes that were dominating the
Speaker 1: network by the n of eighty five that wrestling fit
Speaker 1: the network's sensibilities since still since wrestling made money and
Speaker 1: no doubt was hot and never saw still had a
Speaker 1: lot of jews, it kept SNMY earned its spot as
Speaker 1: a special that could be relied on to maintain a
Speaker 1: good portion of SNL's audience three or four times a year.
Speaker 1: And for mister T and Hogan, hosting SNL is probably
Speaker 1: the luckiest thing that ever happened to Vince. Not only
Speaker 1: did I ever Saul probably agree to the appearances that
Speaker 1: turned it into hosting because he knew SNMME he was
Speaker 1: in the works. The March thirtieth episode was actually supposed
Speaker 1: to be a rerun. The two weak writer strike of
Speaker 1: nineteen March fifth to the nineteenth caused the scheduled March
Speaker 1: sixteenth episode to get bumped. Had the March sixteenth SNL
Speaker 1: gone forward, I don't know whether T and Hogan would
Speaker 1: have been on the show or not, but it definitely
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had the impact on WrestleMania the March thirtieth appearance,
Speaker 1: Did I have a bunch of stuff?
Speaker 2: I never saw this.
Speaker 1: Incredibly interesting but a bit overrated career. But since this
Speaker 1: is already too long, I will save that for another time.
Speaker 1: Maybe they ever saw tribute. Yeah, he's gonna pass. He's
Speaker 1: going to pass. Yeah, we gotta be ready to consider
Speaker 1: what that would mean happen. Oh and for anyone who cares.
Speaker 1: He adds that this info comes from a variety of sources.
Speaker 1: I used to create lecture notes for one of the
Speaker 1: entertainment history classes I taught back in the day. Fuck you,
Speaker 1: I fucking bring it, Tom, Jesus christ Man. We have
Speaker 1: the beneficiaries of the downstream intellect and the downstream or sources,
Speaker 1: and life experiences and career experiences of our listeners. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're all tributary, so this mighty fucking stream, he said.
Speaker 1: I sent the sne to Me one episode to a
Speaker 1: few old TV lifers who really loved it. Made them
Speaker 1: nostalgic for the old days that indeed used to be
Speaker 1: better yours and cinemania, Tom, that's right, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1: Now you were in Semnia, Myermania. I want you to
Speaker 1: take a look at what he sent us before I
Speaker 1: read off the the email. The description here it is
Speaker 1: a sight to behold. Tell the people, Tell the people.
Speaker 1: Before I read the email, what you see, Dotter be
Speaker 1: Frank Silva, You're almost there?
Speaker 2: Wow, holy shit? What do you see? H Yeah, it
Speaker 2: is a sch Mortgas board of of Mattel w what
Speaker 2: it was this ninety seven? I guess huh, it's all
Speaker 2: ninety seven guys with in the front. You got Psycho
Speaker 2: sid with the ball water Yeah, pointing at sausage.
Speaker 1: He's got a legit can of Vienna is set up
Speaker 1: right in front of this parade, almost like a nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two Royal Rumble promotional poster.
Speaker 2: Right, it's all ninety seven. You got the DX in
Speaker 2: the back, triple h China HBK, even fucking insurance policy,
Speaker 2: Rick Rude. You got the Heart Foundation on the right.
Speaker 2: You got the three Faces of Foli. You got Taker Austin, Rocky,
Speaker 2: my Via, the Sultan for fuck's sake, the Headbangers with
Speaker 2: tag bells of the Nation, Domination and Vodder. That's a
Speaker 2: that's a fucking that's hilarious. You're right.
Speaker 1: I normally don't send the same stuff of emails. They
Speaker 1: don't patroon boards Rex, But the look of pure disgust
Speaker 1: my wife gave me when I bought this can of
Speaker 1: Viennas for my ninety seven display made me even more
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Speaker 1: to this episode and we forgot about it, which is likely,
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Speaker 1: the cast Anonymous rights and they got me dying laughing
Speaker 1: at King Kong. Bundy hooked up to a feeding tube.
Speaker 1: Chris Man, all that you got that episode?
Speaker 2: Didn't you?
Speaker 1: All that moisture? Chris says, that was always on SID?
Speaker 1: What if it was Vienna juice?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, listen, listen. I have no doubt that the
Speaker 2: juices that flow from SID or Vienna come from Vienna,
Speaker 2: or at least a VJ and baby oil mix just
Speaker 2: to give it that very specific beating effect, that that salty, salty,
Speaker 2: meaty beat. That's so nasty.
Speaker 1: It is salty. So yeah, the beats of sweat on
Speaker 1: Sid or salty age.
Speaker 2: Yes, listen because you can see the like basically the
Speaker 2: salt on its flesh. It's it's so rough. Oh you know,
Speaker 2: it's so weathered, be so weather beaten. It's exactly right.
Speaker 2: It's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Amber saw under the Cinemat episode one thirty seven, Death
Speaker 1: from Above speaking of Sid, and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: just upgraded my pledged access this one. Very excited for
Speaker 1: future discussions about bankers and tears as well. Oh I know,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh that's one to see. As we
Speaker 1: paid tribute to the short, short lived film career of Sydney,
Speaker 1: Darren sent us something that kind of shocks the conscience
Speaker 1: when you first see it. I'm gonna let you see
Speaker 1: the picture, boss, and then tell the story. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just wrestling analysis that we're looking for. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we also get slices of life from our great listeners
Speaker 1: in the mailbox. Take a look at Darren here fucking
Speaker 1: tough time, Hey guys. He writes, you were talking about
Speaker 1: taking a headbut on the Death from Above cast and
Speaker 1: I had to share a couple of pictures of me
Speaker 1: when I got busted open by running into the back
Speaker 1: of someone else's head.
Speaker 2: While playing oh shit.
Speaker 1: Soccer, football whatever. It was such a weird sensation, but
Speaker 1: I know sold it and felt like prime mcfoley. The
Speaker 1: cut is on the right eyebrow. You can just about
Speaker 1: make it out.
Speaker 2: E c dub dub.
Speaker 1: You ever been busted open like that? I have not,
Speaker 1: h no, but I I did. Hi.
Speaker 2: I was talking about when I, when I, when I
Speaker 2: hit when I, when I kit nogging my you know,
Speaker 2: with the but that was that was like right in
Speaker 2: the middle of my face there, right between my brows.
Speaker 2: I see. But the other time I ran headfirst into
Speaker 2: somebody's skull. I was in I think it was in
Speaker 2: third grade and it was gym class and I was
Speaker 2: running and I just I was looking to my to
Speaker 2: the side, and and then I turned forward again and
Speaker 2: I ran face first into the kid's skull and I
Speaker 2: broke my nose. Oh like I I hit him. And
Speaker 2: then the next thing I knew, I was like on
Speaker 2: the floor and I had, you know, it was like
Speaker 2: in a movie where you you know, they had the
Speaker 2: camera angle of somebody who's passed out and you've got
Speaker 2: like a circle of people around you, like looking down
Speaker 2: at you. That's what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened to me. But I didn't get busted open.
Speaker 1: But I banged my head in a poll and the
Speaker 1: recess one time.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I was so.
Speaker 1: Mad because people just okay, okay, okay, and it's like
Speaker 1: you're putting more pressure on me to make you feel
Speaker 1: like I'm okay than than just letting me be and
Speaker 1: get over this, you know, and recovery.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I got knocked silly, Like right, I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: worried right now about giving you the answer you're looking for. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: was so pissed off that so many people were like,
Speaker 1: oh talking to me at the same time as I
Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with anybody right now. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, like and they were and the gym teacher
Speaker 1: was like talking about oh, yeah, you know, it's so
Speaker 1: big deal. All they'll do is will just fucking you know,
Speaker 1: they'll put your nose in advice and just fucking crack
Speaker 1: it over.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that sounds fine. You know, thank you.
Speaker 2: I never got it fixed. You didn't know. I never did. Fascinating,
Speaker 2: never did heal. Was no fucking way that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have someone fucking touch my nose in uh no way.
Speaker 1: Like it like cracking a popsicle stick? Ship No so sinewy,
Speaker 1: oh so much? Cracking so much like popping noises? Oh fuck?
Speaker 1: Don't Brennan fucking Myers rights happy to be the person
Speaker 1: who sent JP the pick of Jerry Lawler in the Bubbles.
Speaker 1: I'm not sorry and we'll do it again.
Speaker 2: Lawla in the bubbles? Remember that one that was a
Speaker 2: bubble bath? What's the next email?
Speaker 1: Ali says in retrospect, it would have made more sense
Speaker 1: for sibbyan owner Mula to walk out to she Bop instead.
Speaker 2: Of Wendy Richter. It's hard to argue that. Big ups
Speaker 2: to Roberto for the place I forgot about fucking on
Speaker 2: the city or the corner of the Westinghouse dryer. Is
Speaker 2: that ship? Oh fuck sounds from Mula drive? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always know how how much it intensifies that
Speaker 1: the experience and the sensation to scream my pussy in
Speaker 1: the middle of it. Imagine, Matthew writes, after it.
Speaker 2: By yourself like no one. Oh she's so old, So
Speaker 2: she's been through so much trusty fucking fucking lakes like
Speaker 2: oh flakes.
Speaker 1: Oh fucking Marge Simpson's sister over here. Oh oh yeah, gross,
Speaker 1: Matthew writes, after all these years, it was a tag
Speaker 1: team called the Big Short with the Shareholder as they're finishing, move.
Speaker 2: That makes Boss completely lose it. Oh God, so stupid.
Speaker 1: Nicholas Moore, thank you for the pledge. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: VIP circle, my friend. Yes, this is a big one.
Speaker 1: We talked about the main event and I had this
Speaker 1: feeling that it wasn't live. Remember this, Yes, it's like,
Speaker 1: was the Hogan Andre match live? Why do I?
Speaker 2: I messed up? It was live?
Speaker 1: Of course the Friday night primetime ones were the Hogan
Speaker 1: Savage one to set up Brus twenty five was live.
Speaker 1: What I was remembering And I looked back on this
Speaker 1: and Christopher knows because he says he was in attendance
Speaker 1: at the Bradley Center in Milwaukee and he remembers Vince
Speaker 1: exhorting the crowd to make as much noise as it
Speaker 1: could as they counted down to going live on NBC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't do that unless you are alive. I guess
Speaker 1: now what it was was it aired on a three
Speaker 1: hour delay on the West coast, so it could air.
Speaker 2: At eight PM. Oh sure, And a lot of the word.
Speaker 1: Had traveled for people, you know that could pick up
Speaker 1: the phone. It's hardcore wrestling fans found ways to know
Speaker 1: what was about to happen. But further than that, there
Speaker 1: was reporting earlier in the week and some of the
Speaker 1: mainstream press, not just the wrestling newsletters, that andre was
Speaker 1: going to go over for the title, and WWF did
Speaker 1: not refute the reports. In fact, interestingly, they didn't even
Speaker 1: freak out about him. They didn't even care about them.
Speaker 2: Well because you know what that's actually going to get
Speaker 2: people to tune in, right or because when you got
Speaker 2: like Hogan been champion for.
Speaker 1: Four years, to see how they're going to pull that off,
Speaker 1: right exactly. That's an excellent point. I wonder if that
Speaker 1: crossed their mind. But whatever the case, they were nonchalant
Speaker 1: about it. And that's what it was. It was like
Speaker 1: people went into that show knowing that Andrea was going
Speaker 1: to win, That's what I was remembering, But they didn't
Speaker 1: know he was going to win because the show had
Speaker 1: been taped three days before.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, it was about to air.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case like the other Saturday It's made events,
Speaker 1: Jeff writes, with Netflix, because of course, we go back
Speaker 1: to our Netflix live call that kicked off twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five here on on Patreon with Netflix one of the
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Speaker 1: Fans applauding to be part of a record gate, fans
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Speaker 2: You're what are you talking about? He writes, like this
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Speaker 1: He says, laps fan stories that make me want to
Speaker 1: cry one Mike Chris Van Eric two anytime they read
Speaker 1: stories about eighty to nineties television, a time when the
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Speaker 1: to trend and vanish a week later.
Speaker 2: We didn't about content.
Speaker 1: We didn't know how good we had it. Yes, the
Speaker 1: best stuff is better, he writes, but day to day
Speaker 1: programming back then was so much better and easier to access,
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Speaker 1: I remember that they threw everything they could at it,
Speaker 1: and it was the same remaining three million US marks
Speaker 1: tuning in as much less than that. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if total minutes watched had been released, but expect some
Speaker 1: unique and meaningless vanity metrics. He was right and irrelevant
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Speaker 2: Once.
Speaker 1: It's clearly the same sad remnant of two to three
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Speaker 1: Just like one point six million Network subscribers are two
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Speaker 1: want to submit a request for Under the cinemat if
Speaker 1: looks could kill starring Richard Greicho. Oh god, IM sure,
Speaker 1: but any and connected for him? But Gabriel Anoir played
Speaker 1: a role. And it was also Fiona on burn Notice,
Speaker 1: which was paired with Raw on USA for years and
Speaker 1: featured an episode with Big Show season five, episode four
Speaker 1: doing scenes with Gabriel Andnoir. Could be more connections, but
Speaker 1: that was the one I found that. I hope it
Speaker 1: is enough, not even close to being a connection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that does Gabriel an war acting with someone's got to
Speaker 1: be on wrestling.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what to be. Someone's got to be on wrestling.
Speaker 2: They can't have interacted on a on a on a
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Speaker 1: Childhood favorite of his. So he's hoping against.
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Speaker 2: they probably there might be a one. I mean, because
Speaker 2: to me that that's even It might as well have
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Speaker 2: an almighty four with fucking Kevin Nash. You know that's
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Speaker 2: fucking episodes that we've.
Speaker 1: Done talking to our villains of the Squared Circle Coliseum
Speaker 1: collection episode. Because what happened was this is the first
Speaker 1: time on the bench press with a way I haven't
Speaker 1: tried in years. Halfway through the second set, in the
Speaker 1: exchange between Dick Eversoll and Vince goes like this, Dick,
Speaker 1: this fucking guy over here, Vince George Steele, Do you
Speaker 1: want me to call him this fucking guy? I can
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Speaker 1: Christopher raises a sobering point, and we talked about it
Speaker 1: when we did some Colisseum videos with so many guys
Speaker 1: from the seventies on it. He writes, I wonder how
Speaker 1: long it will be until every single person on a
Speaker 1: show is also on the death toll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a main It's gotta be like a like
Speaker 2: a main show, like a night like an eighty show.
Speaker 1: Can't be that far away from that. We'll be casting
Speaker 1: when the day comes. I can feel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, there will come a time
Speaker 2: where there there will be a uh, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of retroactively changing, you know, like if like Wrestlmingia too,
Speaker 2: for example. I know has got so many fucking dead people. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it's only obviously expanded since we did the show.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the thing is there's going to be
Speaker 2: an older episode where everybody's going to be dead. Wow.
Speaker 2: Get ready for it.
Speaker 1: Bess says, I often think about that. Sadly, I think
Speaker 1: by the end of the twenty twenties, no one from
Speaker 1: the eighty four to eighty six era will be around anymore.
Speaker 1: Think about that, Scott Gallagher, thank you very.
Speaker 2: Much for that. I mean, I think I think Steamboat
Speaker 2: is going to be around for a while. I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, is he any any health problems. I don't
Speaker 2: think so, No, not that I've heard of. I think
Speaker 2: he's all right. I think he's he's gonna be someone
Speaker 2: who fucks it up for everybody. Yeah for sure. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: that's a great point. You probably will do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tom had to write in this is a different Tom
Speaker 1: the Lapse Litigator. Tom, here's co chairs. It's been a
Speaker 1: while since I've sent a missive from the lapsed litigation department,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that we've been in the.
Speaker 2: Car from our legal department. Oh yeah, we've got lapsed legal.
Speaker 2: That is the name of a TV show.
Speaker 1: We've got that base covered. Not a fucking problem, not
Speaker 1: a fucking problem. Yep, it's been a while since I've
Speaker 1: sent a missive from the lapsed litigation department, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that we've been in the court room with Terry
Speaker 1: Funk and the Master and Ruler of the World, among
Speaker 1: others lately. Yes, plenty of court filings to pull. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Jack's legal analysis, he says, typically so good.
Speaker 1: You can't really have me on on a retainer. You
Speaker 1: don't really need to have me on retainer. Every time
Speaker 1: I think there is a hole to be filled with
Speaker 1: MA expertise, a few minutes later we've clarified the issues
Speaker 1: and can move on to the good stuff. Today, I
Speaker 1: wanted to write about something outside the scope of work.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the video store.
Speaker 2: Mmmm.
Speaker 1: You have waxed poetic and hit me right in the
Speaker 1: nostalgia hole many many times when it comes to that
Speaker 1: video store feeling, there really isn't much like it anymore.
Speaker 1: Picture it. It's Friday evening, your little league game is
Speaker 1: over and Dad has driven you to the mini mall.
Speaker 1: On the way home, he parks the car and you
Speaker 1: get out along summer light just giving way to dusk.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're getting me, you're getting me good right here, yep.
Speaker 1: As you walk up the concrete steps to the elbow
Speaker 1: shaped row of commercial properties, you pass the nail salon.
Speaker 1: Not interested. The Chinese place is next, no things, the
Speaker 1: dry cleaner's lame, the weird store with like beanie babies,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, picture frames or something you never
Speaker 1: even looked in the window. Then there it is the
Speaker 1: video store. Dad tells you to go inside and figure
Speaker 1: out what you want to rent this week. Then he
Speaker 1: walks a few shops down to Brother's Pizza. He's going
Speaker 1: to order two pies because at seven pm and he
Speaker 1: worked all day and took your sorry ass to the
Speaker 1: little league, and he'll be damned if he or the
Speaker 1: missus is going to cook tonight. And Dad thinks, you
Speaker 1: don't know, he's going to sneak a Marlboro or red
Speaker 1: before he goes into the pizza shop.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you know what He's gonna smell
Speaker 2: like when he fucking comes out.
Speaker 1: Because he told everyone he quit again. But you know
Speaker 1: you saw the pack in his shirt pocket when he
Speaker 1: came out of the woah wah yesterday.
Speaker 2: This makes this makes me think of the you've seen
Speaker 2: the meme around that goes around with with an old
Speaker 2: eighties Mel Gibson photo with long hair and he's smoking
Speaker 2: a cigarette. Everyone told everyone people like that this is
Speaker 2: what eighties moms looked like, or something like that. It's
Speaker 2: no fucking great that it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that smoke buys you a few minutes,
Speaker 1: he says, that's right. The anticipation is overwhelming before you
Speaker 1: even walk in the door. This is it all week
Speaker 1: and long. Whatever you rent will be the focus of
Speaker 1: your life. You got through school and sports and CCD
Speaker 1: all week suffering because you don't control anything about what
Speaker 1: you do day to day at this age except on Saturday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: burly before mom and dad and watch whatever you rented
Speaker 1: all morning long. Yep, Saturday is freedom. You walk into
Speaker 1: the video store alone. You have no phone, Your dad
Speaker 1: has no way to find you if you something goes wrong,
Speaker 1: but you don't care. It's time to focus there are
Speaker 1: only two sections that matter in this video store, the
Speaker 1: cartoon section and the special interest section.
Speaker 2: We know it.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's not true, he says. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a third section that matters. You know this because that
Speaker 1: section is roped off from public access. You need to
Speaker 1: be an adult to go back there.
Speaker 2: You got to like, oh, man, the the the the
Speaker 2: steak heart pounding, yes, oh, like a heart pounding when
Speaker 2: I'm in there, and I know, like, I'm just I
Speaker 2: just want to see if I can. You know, a
Speaker 2: guy went back to put it away, and I'm like, oh, god,
Speaker 2: just get a little peek. God, the heart is racist,
Speaker 2: just to see, just to see the fucking covers, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they were pretty graphic, man, of course they were.
Speaker 2: It had to be.
Speaker 1: Oh, you need to be an adult to go back there.
Speaker 1: And you think maybe your dad did once, but you
Speaker 1: weren't sure. That's action isn't for you, and you don't
Speaker 1: know why. But the fact that you can't go back
Speaker 1: there makes you desperately jealous of everyone who does.
Speaker 2: I love the idea like that. You know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of funny, the idea of of you know, the person
Speaker 2: who goes back there, who just walks back there. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna run born right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a Saturday night, you know, Friday night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel like jerking off tonight.
Speaker 1: As in that long week of work and he goes
Speaker 1: home and just beats off, but he has to go
Speaker 1: to a video store first.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I gotta get some fucking you know, I
Speaker 2: get something to kind of, you know, inspire me.
Speaker 1: I bet even that guy longs for the days where
Speaker 1: he had to put in a little bit of work
Speaker 1: to get a nut. Of course, now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: just open the computer, like lower on my phone, like like.
Speaker 2: You can fucking you can work and jerk off at
Speaker 2: the same time. Believable. Forget that.
Speaker 1: Tom says focus the cartoons are tempting. You could snatch
Speaker 1: up G. I. Joe or he Man tapes and they're
Speaker 1: clear clamshell cases. Those are easy watches, fun and breezy
Speaker 1: and a guarantee. But damn it, you can't stop looking
Speaker 1: at the special intro section. Why do they call it
Speaker 1: that wrestling is a sport the best sport? Special interest
Speaker 1: makes it feel like these tapes are somehow not cool.
Speaker 1: If wrestling is in a sport, am I supposed to
Speaker 1: like it. No, despite your misgivings, the box art grabs
Speaker 1: your eye. One is Hulk Cogan and Andre the Giant
Speaker 1: staring at each other. The artwork is dark and lonely
Speaker 1: and seems old. That can't be good. You don't recognize
Speaker 1: the wrestlers on the next one. No Hogan, no Warrior,
Speaker 1: though one guy has face paint.
Speaker 2: Nobody you know.
Speaker 1: And then you see it, cartoon versions of every wrestler
Speaker 1: you know, looking muscular and angry and ready to invade
Speaker 1: your living room. There's like a hundred of them. It's
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't even heavenly, you've rented it sixty times. Now
Speaker 2: we're talking. Dad walks in. He's gonna get a movie
Speaker 2: to watch with Mom later. You'd better hurry. The pressure mounts.
Speaker 2: Dad see somebody he knows and stops to chat. That
Speaker 2: gives you a moment. What to get. You've narrowed it
Speaker 2: to like eight videos. But what if you picked the
Speaker 2: one you haven't seen and it sucks? It would ruin
Speaker 2: the only good four hours of your life. Yes, Dad
Speaker 2: walks over, he's standing behind you. He doesn't say anything,
Speaker 2: but you have a fucking movie. At for fuck's sake,
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I want to get home.
Speaker 1: You feel the pressure. The pizza will be ready soon.
Speaker 1: And he's already holding whatever rom com mom demanded. You
Speaker 1: reach out and grab a box. You hold it close
Speaker 1: to your face with both hands, and spectcat.
Speaker 2: Can we get when Harry met Sally? I haven't seen
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that one. We keep talking about it, right,
Speaker 2: we do, keep talking about it. We never rent that one.
Speaker 1: I'll have what she's having, inspecting like it contains the
Speaker 1: secret to world peace warrior check Hogan, check huge opponent
Speaker 1: for the hulkster check. Yes, and that's smarmy, gross, smug,
Speaker 1: prick rick rude, SummerSlam ninety. That's it this time. You
Speaker 1: hope it delivers, and it does. Thanks for all you do,
Speaker 1: especially UTC. Hope to see some al Berke movies coming.
Speaker 2: Soon, Tom, which one? Al Burke? Al Burke?
Speaker 1: I don't think I know Albert. I don't know, did
Speaker 1: you We.
Speaker 2: Talked about Albert Alberke movies. I don't let me see.
Speaker 2: Al Burke.
Speaker 1: Known for the wedding singer, Cradle the Grave. Honeyboll Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know the guy. Oh, he's in the movies. I see
Speaker 2: his face. Is he a wait a minute, Oh, he's
Speaker 2: a wrestler. That'll do it. That's the connection. I think
Speaker 2: he must be a championship on Oh yeah. Sixteenth. Al Burke,
Speaker 2: also known as Mister Outrageous, is a sixteen time professional
Speaker 2: wrestling I don't know. Okay, let's look at his filmography.
Speaker 2: What do we do to your time? Sixteen times? That's right, brother,
Speaker 2: he's got two and thirty nine movies. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: under his under his hat here, that's a lot to see.
Speaker 2: There's anything that's that's that that's been kind of lacking.
Speaker 2: I've been but uh uh is there a home fucking
Speaker 2: moves there even heard of? Which is great? I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that. Listen, he's all qualified. So it's noodles of Nudeland.
Speaker 2: Huh huh, Yeah, let's do it. I'm looking at Yeah.
Speaker 2: These a listen, these are all fucking all fine paranormal
Speaker 2: attraction Killer Waves to Killer in Suburbia. Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 2: plut albrok on. He'll get his time. Let's see. Uh,
Speaker 2: let's go back kind of, let's go back a little
Speaker 2: ways here, let's go sometimes these guys have been in
Speaker 2: like old let's see when he started. He started eight.
Speaker 2: N Oh, look at he's on fucking w Superstars and Challenge.
Speaker 2: Look at that ten episodes of Superstars, eight episodes of
Speaker 2: Challenge and IWF at the zone. He's in the wedding singer.
Speaker 2: He's in the wedding singer. Anything about this guy? That's amazing?
Speaker 2: All right? Uh, his wedding singer already on the fucking list.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's take a look. The list is
Speaker 2: always expanding. I mean seriously, if I ever showed you
Speaker 2: the list, you'd be like, I can't even read this.
Speaker 2: Fucking need you tonight. It's so massive the list. Uh,
Speaker 2: wedding singer is not on the list. It is now.
Speaker 2: To not be on the list is a big enough deal. Yep,
Speaker 2: Let'll let alone qualify wedding singer. Al Burke, got it.
Speaker 2: That's fucking that's huge. So we're doing huh high crimes
Speaker 2: on the Kingdom episode of the King of Queens. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. I love these guys who like had who
Speaker 2: were on like big things when they were younger. He
Speaker 2: did he did the wedding singer, and then he did
Speaker 2: like an episode of Mad About You. Uh uh, you
Speaker 2: know the Bold and the Beautiful King of Queens. And
Speaker 2: then as he goes on he starts to get into
Speaker 2: the really crappy shit. Yes, and that's where the money is.
Speaker 2: I love it. That's where the fucking money is. Well,
Speaker 2: you did it. You hooked the boss hook Line and Sinker.
Speaker 2: He did a Christmas movie called It's Christmas. Brother. That's great.
Speaker 2: I mean it's Christmas, dude, what it's not? What are
Speaker 2: you saying? Nothing to forget it? Terry? This is great?
Speaker 2: All right? No, we got al Burke. We'll see mean,
Speaker 2: we'll see what we can do with al Burke.
Speaker 1: Liam wants to throw something in play too over in Cork.
Speaker 1: He says, I recall JP saying Dan Severn, look like
Speaker 1: there will be bloods Daniel plain View and one of
Speaker 1: your old Attitude era pay per view reviews. That qualifies,
Speaker 1: and when you cover it, I will finally join the
Speaker 1: cinemat Deer. There will be blood.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's that's all it takes. If you're ever
Speaker 2: looking for twenty bucks. Yeah, if I say someone's looking
Speaker 2: looking at all, right, there we go. I guess that
Speaker 2: somehow makes it. That makes it more worthy than big
Speaker 2: show being on the fucking TV show with what's your butt?
Speaker 2: To qualify that other movie? I don't know. Yeah, gabriel
Speaker 2: Anwar Oh yeah really.
Speaker 1: More eiks Le's good to Hawaii. Huh what do you say?
Speaker 2: I listen? I love Hawaiian lovely.
Speaker 1: Cultures, wonderful place and our homie Kaipo always holding it
Speaker 1: down over there, wants to let us know about his
Speaker 1: fiftieth state Big Time wrestling recollections. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about remembering the warm, golden glow of the way it
Speaker 1: used to be. So remember going to uh Owahu three
Speaker 1: or four years ago, and I probably told this story.
Speaker 1: There was an old head there. He looked like Buddha man.
Speaker 1: He was like this fat old guy with white hair
Speaker 1: and a hugely friendly disposition, lifelong islander. And we were
Speaker 1: just sitting there and near the pool, and I started
Speaker 1: talking to him about Lord James Blears and High Chief
Speaker 1: Peter Myivia and neph Mayava and he was like, who
Speaker 1: the fuck is this guy from Wow, New England who
Speaker 1: knows about all these Hawaiian wrestling guys that I grew.
Speaker 1: It was a wonderful talk as he was what we're
Speaker 1: calling all these all these names and all these stories,
Speaker 1: it's not like he was the biggest wrestling fan in
Speaker 1: the world. But that's what was cool about it, Curtis,
Speaker 1: I Ka, every buddy in the island knows these guys.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a wrestling fan. You're just
Speaker 1: a Hawaiian right right, and Kaypo knows what's up, he
Speaker 1: writes toteer coach chairs. I wanted to write about him,
Speaker 1: and my experience is growing up in Hawaii and hearing
Speaker 1: some of the older generations talk about the wrestling scene
Speaker 1: out here in the sixties and seventies. I was tempted
Speaker 1: to write this email. When you guys covered Goldfinger and
Speaker 1: put the spotlight on Harold Sakata, that would make sense, boss.
Speaker 2: Right, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And that show Jack talked about interacting with the old
Speaker 1: timercy I knew I told the story before in Hawaii
Speaker 1: and seeing his face light up at the mere mention
Speaker 1: of wrestling in Hawaii. I'm here to back that up,
Speaker 1: as my parents both love and love to talk about
Speaker 1: their wrestling experiences growing up. First, my dad. My dad
Speaker 1: has since passed on, but he grew up in Khali,
Speaker 1: which is a town with the Downtown Honolulu district. Within
Speaker 1: the Downtown Honolulu district. His house was about ten minutes
Speaker 1: by car to the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium where they
Speaker 1: would hold shows weekly. Man he was born in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty three, so we got to experience the good shit
Speaker 1: at an age where he could remember and in some
Speaker 1: cases get involved. I remember him telling me stories about
Speaker 1: Saint Kila Kawalsky and Sam Steamboat, how he would be
Speaker 1: in the mob with all the Samoans to watch High
Speaker 1: Chief Peter Mavia. He admonished me when I met Prince
Speaker 1: Ikia from w c W and pronounced his name iakeya
Speaker 1: wow like the announcers did. He told me it was
Speaker 1: pronounced eokaya. Interesting roller. He absolutely loved the heels and
Speaker 1: would root for Fred Lassi and would get into constant
Speaker 1: fights at school for calling people pencil like geeks. He
Speaker 1: would talk about Ed Francis and how mister Fuji, who
Speaker 1: my dad would call Fuji Fujiwara, that's a great would
Speaker 1: all we start as promos with Dankie Massa Franzis and
Speaker 1: the most pig pigeon English accent you could you could find.
Speaker 1: His love for wrestling as a teenager and young adult
Speaker 1: male made it fun to watch wrestling with him. He
Speaker 1: loved Yokozuna because mister Fuji was his manager and because
Speaker 1: Yoaks looked like a big sumo and he used to
Speaker 1: hang out with And he immediately dismissed Leilani Kai as
Speaker 1: a Hawaiian and culture a hioala, which is slang for
Speaker 1: taurus or white person.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Wow.
Speaker 1: I love the words that non white countries have for
Speaker 1: white people. I think it's so funny.
Speaker 2: Oh, please more more of them. They all have them
Speaker 2: all right, listen, we all deserve them all right now.
Speaker 1: My mom, she's about thirteen years younger than my dad
Speaker 1: and grew up on the west side of O Wahoo
Speaker 1: in the town of Maha mccaha, pardon me Macaha. Fortunately
Speaker 1: for her. Ed Francis would run shows out of the
Speaker 1: Wainai High School gym, which is in the neighboring town.
Speaker 1: My mom and her siblings towne Town Mahine not Tom
Speaker 1: Mahaa Tom. That's how I say it. Shout outs to
Speaker 1: Max Holloway, by the way, for talking about whiney. My
Speaker 1: mom and her siblings would go and watch the matches.
Speaker 1: She would see guys like Lord James Blears, Nick Bockwinkle,
Speaker 1: the Missing Link, gentlemen Jim Hady, Rippercollins and Hansy Handsome,
Speaker 1: Johnny Barand among others. Whenever I bring up wrestling in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: she always tells me the story of waiting outside to
Speaker 1: get autographs of the wrestlers and seeing them leaving the venue.
Speaker 1: She was astonished when she saw Ripper Collins and Ed Francis,
Speaker 1: who were feuding at the time, get in the same
Speaker 1: car together. Kay Fabe died for her that day, but
Speaker 1: she still loved going to the matches. She also lived
Speaker 1: down the street from Lord Blears and would ride her
Speaker 1: bike down to where Blears's house was to catch a
Speaker 1: glimpse of her favorite wrestlers. Another story she had was
Speaker 1: that one day her and her siblings were walking on
Speaker 1: the beach and saw a washed up whale carcass. This
Speaker 1: happens from time to time here and it can get
Speaker 1: pretty stinky. But the whale was freshly washed ashore and
Speaker 1: the carcass didn't start to rot yet, so my mom
Speaker 1: and her siblings started climbing it and jumping on it.
Speaker 1: Lo and behold, James Blears was walking on the beach
Speaker 1: as he always would, and immediately told them to get
Speaker 1: off the whale and go home. They all knew him
Speaker 1: from wrestling and instantly listened or else they would they
Speaker 1: thought he could slap the V four on them. A
Speaker 1: lot of her memories a little shot now, but she
Speaker 1: can still recollect those times and also enjoyed that I
Speaker 1: got into pro wrestling so she can relive those days
Speaker 1: going to shows with me. She even remembered Harld Sakata
Speaker 1: when I told her I was learning about him on
Speaker 1: a podcast. I wonder what podcast that would be? By right,
Speaker 1: she knew all the accomplishments and accolades like the back
Speaker 1: of her hand. Lastly, when my mom got older, she
Speaker 1: moved into Honolulu and worked at a Woolworth and the
Speaker 1: Ala Muana shopping center. There she saw celebrities such as
Speaker 1: Jack Lord from Hawaii five oh and would occasionally see
Speaker 1: wrestlers as they passed through. One such occasion had her
Speaker 1: bring to cashier for Andre. Had her being the cash
Speaker 1: for Andre the Giant. She described him as a huge
Speaker 1: man with huge hair. Yeah, he was accompanied by four
Speaker 1: jobbers who were his handlers because Andre was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent completely blitzed off of marijuana and whatever else he consumed.
Speaker 1: This is all to say that pro wrestling still has
Speaker 1: a rich history among the locals here. I wish they
Speaker 1: would have some sort of museum for the history, but
Speaker 1: at least we still have some of the generation that
Speaker 1: lived it to educate us youngins about a great time
Speaker 1: in wrestling history. Thank you both for all that you do.
Speaker 1: It's all too easy to just delve into the big companies,
Speaker 1: but you guys go the extra mile and discuss those
Speaker 1: great territories lost to time. Appreciate you and all that
Speaker 1: you do. Look for a care package in the mail
Speaker 1: for the next unwrappening with treats from Hawaii. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: Oh boy, chocolate covered macadamia nuts. Boss, give him caramel
Speaker 1: Macadamian nuts, ConA coffee, take care and as always.
Speaker 2: Give me some ConA coffee. Yes it wasn't Gene Snitz.
Speaker 2: Also a.
Speaker 1: Great and some con crush. Yeah, if we're lucky. How
Speaker 1: about some David Beltran pledges. How about Sean three sixteen
Speaker 1: about Lucas Vincent upping his pledge. How about Team Janner
Speaker 1: and Jake Anthony Martin and Cody Fague and Andrew Carpenter
Speaker 1: and Travis Wilcox and Brett Derizo and Liam Coucy and
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Speaker 2: How about all these folks, boss that works for me?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: These are all folks putting cash on the table. How
Speaker 1: about Justin who right? Just want to say hello to
Speaker 1: the fellas that are getting me through this broken tibia
Speaker 1: and fibula.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I've been a motor now for a little while, and
Speaker 1: it was the best fucking decision I've made in a while.
Speaker 1: My mom was just like Johnny Ace. I told her
Speaker 1: I can't go off the second step carrying this one
Speaker 1: hundred pound cabinet. I wasn't obligated, but she told me
Speaker 1: I had to, and I did it. Snapped my fucking
Speaker 1: leg into Jesus Jesus Christ. First words out of me,
Speaker 1: out of my mouth, damn it, damn it.
Speaker 2: Just like Sid.
Speaker 1: Oh, my mom runs out and that's what happened. And
Speaker 1: I followed it with a shut up. You guys are
Speaker 1: awesome and I appreciate the hell out of you. While
Speaker 1: Sid is up there laps Togan is still my all
Speaker 1: time favorite. Just another reminder it used to be better.
Speaker 1: Have a good one, fellows, and thank you all the
Speaker 1: way from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I hope you're
Speaker 1: on the man justin.
Speaker 2: Wring my favorite, my favorite brother. We're talking about favorite, dude?
Speaker 2: What what was I supposed to be the underdog? What
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say that I'm favorite? Wait a minute, what do
Speaker 1: you are you? You said upper peninsula?
Speaker 2: Brother? What my peninsula? Trying to get the upper hands?
Speaker 2: What do you Michigan? Bro? Is that that's kind of sauce?
Speaker 2: Don't you think? Dude? Isn't that where I slammed a giant? Dude?
Speaker 2: You work in silver dorm? What do you know something
Speaker 2: about the actual attendance that are you saying? Are you
Speaker 2: saying are you saying you had a cousin that worked
Speaker 2: at the box office? Dude? Are you saying brother? Are
Speaker 2: you saying that? Are you saying that it wasn't sold out?
Speaker 2: Are you getting that? Dude? What? What? Well? Che Bobo Brazil?
Speaker 2: Cobo Hogan, Cobo Hogan, Hogan, Bro? I didn't know what's
Speaker 2: going on? Dude? What are you here? Where do you
Speaker 2: get off being from Michigan? What do you brother? Why
Speaker 2: do you say Michigan? Dude? Like that's like the third time?
Speaker 2: What's Michigan? Brother? What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 1: It's a huge concern. I need did you brother, did
Speaker 1: you shut O factories and relocate jobs to the macchiadoras
Speaker 1: in Mexico?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Are you taking advantage of duty free US MCA imports?
Speaker 2: Brother? Are you taking what are you talking about? Duty? Dude?
Speaker 2: You're talking dooky brother. I didn't know these things. Dude,
Speaker 2: do they collect doukie at the border or duties?
Speaker 1: John right on our Netflix show when uh you know
Speaker 1: what our Netflix show when we covered the raw Netflix debut.
Speaker 1: What was the first thing we saw?
Speaker 2: Do you remember? Uh?
Speaker 1: No, there was a curtain around the ring, wasn't there?
Speaker 1: And then a pyro explosion when the curtain came down.
Speaker 1: Who is in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 2: Game?
Speaker 1: John writes, when that curtain dropped, I was finally able
Speaker 1: to understand and appreciate why Vince decided not to leave
Speaker 1: the company to his idiotic daughter and dufus son in.
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Speaker 1: Michael Allen, thanks for the increase in pledge meet uh
Speaker 1: let's see the Cutman. Thank you very much, DP, thank
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sir Snyder and SSI. We appreciate your support.
Speaker 1: On Patreon, Jacob writes, when thinking about the coach here
Speaker 1: is doing a hog contribute. I feel like the entire
Speaker 1: cast to spend a Hogue contribute all along. M something
Speaker 1: I think about you, there's some there's some truth to that,
Speaker 1: Chris Hughes, We love it. Welcome to the executive producer here, Derek.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your support and pledge. On Patreon.
Speaker 1: Martin Wilson as well, Welcome to the Inner Circle. James writes,
Speaker 1: how early did you know about Vince McMahon's corporophilia? How
Speaker 1: about twenty sixteen? While listening to the star K ninety
Speaker 1: one stop on the Memorial Tour. During the discussion of
Speaker 1: Vader and Hughes versus Steiner and night Stalker, Boss goes
Speaker 1: into an extended description of Vince wanting to shit on
Speaker 1: the talent in the middle of the ring. I mean,
Speaker 1: how fucking on the nose is that? Well, it's mostly
Speaker 1: on the chest, but I get your point.
Speaker 2: I believe well, listen, I am not a you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not as stubborn as I come across on the
Speaker 2: television as you've heard. I am fine to you know.
Speaker 2: I don't have to drop feces on any particular any
Speaker 2: particular body part. I can do whatever is desired. My
Speaker 2: feces are very, very They go anywhere anywhere you need.
Speaker 2: I can drop here.
Speaker 1: I am her rights, enjoying the shelf life of that
Speaker 1: fucking cast when I'm shook at how you managed to
Speaker 1: come up with exactly what Vince has been accused of
Speaker 1: nearly eight years before the Janelle Grant lawsuit which details
Speaker 1: the accusations of Vince shitting on her. I think this
Speaker 1: is just more evidence of how you managed to tap
Speaker 1: into Vince's psyche and plumb the depths of his depravity
Speaker 1: for our entertainment. Just reaching out to thank you for
Speaker 1: ten years of quality entertainment and to remind you just
Speaker 1: how much truth you've been laying on the table since
Speaker 1: day one. Hashtag shelf life coming to you from Crockett Country.
Speaker 2: James.
Speaker 1: Never forget that, Never forget the point he makes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Eric esc welcome to the Executive producer tier. Same to
Speaker 1: Liam McGrath, Matthew Muns. We deeply appreciate your bold and
Speaker 1: vainy jump to the moat tier. Andrew just wants to
Speaker 1: say you guys honestly make life better. Just want to
Speaker 1: say thank you for this today. Well, thank you pal.
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear that legion a AOD. Thank you
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Speaker 1: up to the moat tier, my friend. We know it's
Speaker 1: a plunge, but you'll find it's worth it. Steve Maltez,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for your support on Patreon. Ryan Morris,
Speaker 1: thanks for bumping up to the Executive producer Tier Scott writes,
Speaker 1: thanks for keeping me hot the company on my hike today,
Speaker 1: healthy habits developing with the coach here is directly at
Speaker 1: my ass. That's happening a lot. Yep, we are part
Speaker 1: of this balanced diet, happy to do it. Here is
Speaker 1: Paul very quickly wishing us a happy new year. Let's
Speaker 1: not forget we're going back to the turn of the
Speaker 1: calendar here on this Millback also wish you could share
Speaker 1: Paul sentiments.
Speaker 2: Sure, CoA chairs. I was talking with a co worker
Speaker 2: when ben Walk came up for some reason, and I
Speaker 2: told him about the definitive tenth anniversary tragedy cast you
Speaker 2: gentlemen did nihon eight years ago. Now, I mentioned I
Speaker 2: needed to re listen to it half hashtag shelf life.
Speaker 2: I started listening this morning while making breakfast. The later later,
Speaker 2: my wife and I got into an argument, and I
Speaker 2: started and I started anger cleaning. I tried to channel
Speaker 2: anger into something positive, but it still involves a lot
Speaker 2: of muttering to myself. That's amazing. My earbuds ran out
Speaker 2: of battery and the ben Wa Pott started playing from
Speaker 2: my phone at the table. She was sitting the concerned side.
Speaker 2: I stare, I got as we were all as we
Speaker 2: were still steamed at each other. I'm sure she was
Speaker 2: envisioning me texting my brother about the dogs being in
Speaker 2: the pool house. Oh my god, and already dialed nine
Speaker 2: and one and was ready to hit the last one.
Speaker 2: The reader of the Simpsons, Oh yeah, totals of the
Speaker 2: Simpsons where Millhouse and his family are at his grandma's house,
Speaker 2: and and there's and Bart's knocking at the door because
Speaker 2: he sold his soul and I'll let shit and the
Speaker 2: grandmother goes, okay, you dial nine one and when I
Speaker 2: say go dial one again, it's so fucking great. And
Speaker 2: we already hit that last one if I tried to
Speaker 2: lock her in across face before we started rolling with laughter,
Speaker 2: which eased the mood. Thank y'all for that. Wow.
Speaker 1: Look at that come absolutely speaker and bringing a little
Speaker 1: levity to tense domestic elements. We'll be there for that too,
Speaker 1: and we'll be there for Nick from Minnesota, who says,
Speaker 1: hello co chairs this summer, you guys read my email
Speaker 1: about my mom listening to the lamentable tragedy after she
Speaker 1: had watched The Iron Claw. She has finished the Wow,
Speaker 1: although she skipped the match breakdowns because she didn't understand
Speaker 1: what was going on. Can you imagine some of the
Speaker 1: hasn't watched pro wrestling in their lives gets to the
Speaker 1: deep dive portion, they what's going on? I'd like take
Speaker 1: over head, says or ants her shoulder tackle by brett
Speaker 1: her Overall thoughts are as follows. Fritz is responsible for
Speaker 1: all of his son's deaths. Yep, the Iron Claw movie
Speaker 1: did not do justice to the family story.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Why would anyone get into pro wrestling? It seems really
Speaker 1: bad for you.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Lastly, she said she likes listening to TLF because she
Speaker 1: can tell you guys really are best friends. Here's to
Speaker 1: ten more years of TLF. Nick from Minnesota, Thanks for
Speaker 1: sharing that, Nick, That's really cool.
Speaker 2: That's she And then you know how she felt about
Speaker 2: Vince beating the shit out of Fritz. That's important. What
Speaker 2: happens in the Yeah, what happens at the end? Mom?
Speaker 2: What did you think when he kicks him right in
Speaker 2: the fucking nuts? Yeah? Exactly. For all this, he just
Speaker 2: gets kicked in the nuts and that's the end of it.
Speaker 2: Christopher M.
Speaker 1: Panda, Todd Harding joining the Mote Tier. Thank you, wire
Speaker 1: Tap eight oh four, Tom Bauer, welcome to that tip
Speaker 1: top tier, Jacob. Thank you very much for joining us
Speaker 1: at the executive producer level as David May and Sackster.
Speaker 1: Tony Allen has joined the Mote Tier as well. Since
Speaker 1: we were last with you in this format, Chris Awesome
Speaker 1: Mike Hogan has also joined the Mote Tier. What a
Speaker 1: way to start the year. Eric Ramos bumping up to
Speaker 1: EP Tyrone Terrell tom Bauer. Hmm, it's just an amazing
Speaker 1: and humbling roster.
Speaker 2: It is, It absolutely is.
Speaker 1: We conclude with two final notes. All right, that's when
Speaker 1: we recently received from Michael. It's entitled The Nature of
Speaker 1: Life and Wrestling. Yes, he put boy in parenthesis after nature,
Speaker 1: m Chairman, My chairman, lend me your as I weave
Speaker 1: a yarn into a work that is a shoot for
Speaker 1: those who believe that being the worker who does the
Speaker 1: job will generate the heat needed to put them over
Speaker 1: all others.
Speaker 2: But can reverse the heat is a question.
Speaker 1: I am but a humble craftsman of words. So I
Speaker 1: call your attention to the words of our chairman. Life
Speaker 1: is pain. If it doesn't hurt, have you lived? As
Speaker 1: our philosopher and residence Lapsenash reminds us, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's all fake.
Speaker 1: M This leads me to my greatest moment of clarity
Speaker 1: on what I have learned from being a fan as
Speaker 1: a child and as a lapsed fan. Now, why does
Speaker 1: society have such disdain for and contempt of wrestling or
Speaker 1: what he calls previously agreed upon and contractually obligated aggressive action.
Speaker 1: Please read this portion as a monologue of lapsed Stone
Speaker 1: or Nash giving a lecture at the bond.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Uh huh, trying to figure out where
Speaker 2: it stops.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, I mean your way, take ahead
Speaker 1: of Sativa, bring bring us home.
Speaker 2: Now and we all have the story. I was watching wrestling,
Speaker 2: I was sharing my interests in wrestling, when suddenly, out
Speaker 2: of left field, the other person goes, hey, hmm, you
Speaker 2: do know that this? Uh? And what are they doing?
Speaker 2: It's all uh? I mean it takes two to do
Speaker 2: some of those things and boom, just like that, life
Speaker 2: is no meaning anymore. Yeah, because they're lying. Wait who
Speaker 2: is lying them? Or them or both of them? You know,
Speaker 2: we claim it a work and they're trying to roll
Speaker 2: us up from behind. You know. This brings me to
Speaker 2: my lesson for you today. What's life? Is life? A shoot?
Speaker 2: A work, a performance entertainment or a series of costume
Speaker 2: self promoting workers trying to get themselves over by making
Speaker 2: you sell what they're throwing because you believe them shooting
Speaker 2: on you. Also you can throw it to another due
Speaker 2: to do to do a job, so you can get
Speaker 2: them over them, put over them, you know, But do
Speaker 2: they tell you the secret that it's all fucking fake.
Speaker 2: Your parents, your teachers, your boss, your spouse, your kids,
Speaker 2: you know, the strangers on the street, lease, the government,
Speaker 2: even the planet's rolling you up from behind, and the
Speaker 2: sun rolling it up as well. Then life shows as
Speaker 2: a Steve Austin, Rick Flair Dwayne Brock who shows us
Speaker 2: there's another way. Hope is out there for somebody who
Speaker 2: can finally get over on all those that got over
Speaker 2: on me. Huh. You know we're jubilant, you know, we
Speaker 2: go and we sell what they've done, and we have
Speaker 2: a champion. Yet you break from the delusion of hope
Speaker 2: as others refuse to do the job for you the
Speaker 2: way others did for our champion, it all tumbles away
Speaker 2: because now we see that even through it all, if
Speaker 2: it was all fake, how doesn't it work for real?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you know that guy that time told me
Speaker 2: it takes two to do some of us, and the
Speaker 2: delusion that the majority of those around us have previously
Speaker 2: agreed upon and contractually obligated bigated aggressive action that they
Speaker 2: will force us to accept or force us out if
Speaker 2: we don't. But now, who is it that's trying to
Speaker 2: roll you up? Brother? Them at the top saying it's
Speaker 2: a shoot. For them telling you it's a work, I say,
Speaker 2: claim it all of work, yep. That they're trying to
Speaker 2: roll us up from behind, hit someone's intro music, then
Speaker 2: drop the big leg on him, well frozen in their
Speaker 2: pre planned moment. Then ten ninety nine there ass.
Speaker 1: Close with the words have been. I've been listening to
Speaker 1: TLF for years, and probably more intently than most, even
Speaker 1: though I'm not and never have been a fan of
Speaker 1: professional wrestling. That notwithstanding, I think that everything I've learned
Speaker 1: from that cast mostly boils down to this life is
Speaker 1: almost entirely just one big fucking work.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: So like what you like, laugh at what you think
Speaker 1: is funny, support and cultivate the things you care about,
Speaker 1: do good when you can, and give a shit about
Speaker 1: the people who give a shit about you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for ten rock hard years, co Chairman, and thank you
Speaker 1: those in the Solar System for filling our till and
Speaker 1: our mail bag.
Speaker 2: Once again. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 3: When as a teaching to Santus production, its contents is
Speaker 3: intended for private use only.