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Speaker 1: PayPal jar open for Andrew to Tollvey, who sends us

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a quick buck and says, you know what, making up

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for being a loser skipping my morning coffee.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I appreciate the fact that he admits

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Speaker 1: I mean skipping your coffee for that cast. Yes, we're

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back in the main event nineteen me some coffee for

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that matter, or some uh what was it Nordelli's m

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it was for and we were like trying to figure

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out what the what the reference was to and it

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was apparently, uh, we had made we had made some

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kind of comment about pall Bearer uh being buried in Hash.

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Speaker 2: Rob Writes writes to us.

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Speaker 1: The Nardelli's gift card was inspired by The Buried, a

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live episode The Lapsed Tight and Office's lunch order while

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brainstorming dropping truckloads of earth onto Mickey James and Tristratus

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at WrestleMania twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Oh My God.

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Speaker 1: Episode also featured audio with Paul Barre being buried alive

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in hash. Lapsed Food.

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Speaker 2: You got damn right, damn right, that's a good shirt

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right there.

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Speaker 1: The Lapsed Food, The Lapsed Food the lapsed Cuisine if

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you will there we go said, do you remember joking

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about Paul Barre being buried in hash?

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Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even remember that. I don't.

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it didn't happen. But it won us a free sandwich.

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I guess, god, you know, people don't I think. I

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think also the order from Titan Towers that they order

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from Nardelli's we joked about, which I do remember that.

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Speaker 1: I remember them deciding what to have for lunch because

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it's going to be a long, a long, a long meeting,

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long strategies.

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Speaker 2: Nordelli's Yeah, down the street perfect? Can I get an

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the you know, a whole Italian with you with everything

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on it. Nordelli's way.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Can you put a protein

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bar in a sub?

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Speaker 2: Let me have something? Do you listen? Do you put

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protein in your subs? Well? Yeah, we put more of

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you down and I understand that. Do you put protein?

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Speaker 1: Do you put unadulterated way protein in yourself?

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about do you like the powder? Do you

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drizzle it on the sandwich? Absolutely not. No, I don't.

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I don't think so, well, why not do you understand? No?

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why not? And there's d what do you understand? Speaking

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of which, we talked quite a bit earlier this year

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about WWF taking off on NBC do you do covering

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the very first Saturday and it's main event from nineteen

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eighty five? And we were talking a lot about the

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main event nineteen eighty eight, which of course we've covered

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in the archives with Hogan and Andre, but which did

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all those ratings and everything, and the Solar System was

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extra sharp on that, keeping us in check when we

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forgot certain things or didn't place things into the appropriate context.

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And so in the spirit of that, let's go to

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a couple of pieces of correspondence. This one here kicks

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us off, kicks us off from Josh, who starts starts

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at a high level. He starts with Barth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's where you that's where we all should start, honestly,

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uh Boston, Part one of this episode, you wished there

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was a time where people could just appreciate wrestling for

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what it could be. I'd like to share something I

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wrote earlier today, and inspired by you guys, that I'd

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be very interested in the co chairs and the solar

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systems thoughts. First, let me start with a quote from

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Roland bart quote. The virtue of all in wrestling is

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that it is the spectacle of excess. Yes, here we

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find a grandiloquence. Wow, that's when you don't hear every

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day a grandiloquence, A grandiloquent word indeed, which must have

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been that of ancient theaters. And in fact, wrestling is

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an open air spectacle. For what makes the circus or

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the arena what they are? Wait for what makes oh, no, no,

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I see? And in fact, wrestling is an open air

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spectacle for what makes the circus or the arena what

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they are is not the sky a Roman circus was covered.

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It is the drenching and vertical quality of the flood

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of lights, even hidden by red velvet. Wrestling partakes of

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the nature of the great solar spectacles, Greek drama and bullfights.

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In both, a light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve.

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There are people who think that wrestling is an ignoble sport.

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Wrestling is not a sport. I mean fucking says it

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Speaker 1: Sports even has to has to make sure that nobody

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thinks he thinks it's real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, even he's got a little bit of shame. Shame.

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It is a wrestling is not a sport. It is

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a spectacle, and it is no more ignoble than to

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attend to wrestled a wrestled performance that went down. Hold on,

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I know it's not done yet.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: A wrestled performance of suffering.

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Speaker 1: Capital s yes, I mean what have we been saying, folks?

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Barth knew the great philosophers know what we're on than

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a performance of the sorrows of a mole?

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Speaker 2: Is it a mole? Our novel? Our novel? Arnolfi? Or Androma?

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Queen drama Kay? And Rama Kay? Isn't that?

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was a lot of andrama there. Of course, suffering in

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wrestling is not a sign. It is the very meaning

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of the spectacle, even hidden by red velvet. Wrestling partakes

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of the nature of the great solar spectacles. Greek Oh

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that he repeats himself, Greek drama. Bullfights in both a

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light without shadow generates an emotion without reserve, and then

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from Wyndham Rotunda. Yes, Bray Wyatt quote, wrestling is not

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a love story. It's a fairy tale for masochists.

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Speaker 2: Wow. A comedy for people who criticize punchlines. Wow wow,

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Oh love that. That's that's What do you like.

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Speaker 1: About a comedy for people who criticize punchlines? What does

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that do for you?

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Speaker 2: Like it? It's it's for what that says to me

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in a way. It's kind of funny. It's like, this

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is a place for the cynics. This is the place

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for everybody, for the people who don't like anything else. Yes, yes, yes,

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that's true. Yep, yep. A fantasy. Most can't understand a spectacle.

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No one can deny. Lines are blurred, heroes are villains.

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Budgets are cut businesses, business budgets are cut. It must

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have been that year got laid off. But it can

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also be a land where dead men walk, where honor

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I mean, especially with the video games, that's all they

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do is walk. They always bring them back. Where honor

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makes you elite.

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Speaker 1: Were demon capitalized, agent capitalized, d so corny, where demons

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run for office and rock bottom is a finishing maneuver.

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No is a reason is a reason to rejoice. Woo,

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it's an escape.

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Speaker 2: Think about him, man, think about him, Man rock Bottom, Man,

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I know rock Bottom, but it means I'm a different

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man than this world we're in. Man, you know your

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dad doesn't talk like that. Right.

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Speaker 1: Where did this develop? Where did this kind of voice develops? Honey,

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I think we need a different accountant. Yeah, he is

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not a chip off the old block.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: He's not a chip off the old H and R block. No,

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he's not H and R shoulder block. How was that

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not a finisher?

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Speaker 2: You know what? It would be great, you know what,

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it would actually great if at one point Vince McMahon

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made bray Wyatt be an accountant, like be like, you know,

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I don't know like some some you know, play off

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of the I R s. And He's like, Vince, I

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can dig him in. I can do it in the

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Blues clues, man, I can it can be.

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Speaker 1: It can be a run. I can self referential. Vince's like, no, Pal,

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you get the wrong idea. No, no, certain no, no,

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this is it. This is your character you're gonna be.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're the son of an accountant, just like

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Dusty was a son of a player an accountant. Yeah,

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we we decry.

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Speaker 1: All the occupation based gimmicks of the mid nineties, But

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I ask you what's worse being the wrestling garbage man

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or being the son of a wrestling garbage man.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be the son of a wrestling you know,

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a tax collector. You know he he taxes the wrestlers,

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and you tax our time. Hell bell, he might just

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tax his way to the title. He might tax his

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way to the title. Maybe you will, Maybe you'll do

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what your dad couldn't and tax your way to the

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WWS champions I can see it. I can see it

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right now. Pal.

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Speaker 1: You can grab a hold or you can rab a withholding.

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Speaker 2: You know you could, you know you got well how

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about this? You know you got brock Lesner's got the

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F five. You could have the W two. How about

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that he wrote them off?

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Speaker 1: One could say, you have a certain I don't know

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into it, shin.

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Speaker 2: You could be the Turbo tax collector. Well then, big

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fan of that. We could sell that to Turbo tax foul, right,

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we can You know you could do commercials. You just

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I R. Skimmick, in twenty twenty five. They would find

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a way to sell it to Turbo Tax. Absolutely all

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the logos all over the fucking arena when they wrestled. Yes, yes,

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made a deal to have him be the spokesperson for TurboTax,

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and he had been in all the commercials and then

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he'd like beat people up or something.

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Speaker 1: You can see you can see bray Wyatt, like the

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commercial opens, he's got the spectacles on. He's kind of

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like dressed like a square accountant guy, and you know,

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the tax season can be distressful, and then he rips

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it off and everything blows up like the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it'd be so great. I think it'd

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be so fucking funny. Well, they still got a Rotundo,

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don't they. Isn't is it one of them? His brother? Yeah,

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although he's disappeared, but well, you know, it's tax season,

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after all, they could bring him back as a tax collector.

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Speaker 1: And after all, like the tax office blows up and

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bray Wyatt walks out the front door. They just show

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at his nose, shaking his head, like, what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think that'd be great. I think that would

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be great. Uh, demon's running. Brock Botto is the reasonly woo.

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the blame at any one but yourself for two to

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three hours, an excuse to be a kid again, and

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nothing matters except the moment we are in.

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Speaker 1: He's describing, by the way, all entertainment.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, I know exactly. Wrestling is not a love story.

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It's much more.

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Speaker 1: It's oh, hope, Well, it certainly has a way of

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attracting the hopeless.

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Speaker 2: So I can see what you're trying to say. And

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in a world surrounded in hate, greed and violence, a

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world where closure may never come, we all know a

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place that has that has hot and cold hope on

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tap for better or for worse. Not anyone who has

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never understood professional wrestling. These two quotes might seem contradictory.

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Barth paints it as grand theater, a morality play of suffering.

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Why it, on the other hand, describes it as a sanctuary,

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a place where reality bend is just enough to let

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us breathe. But the truth is they're saying the same thing,

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because wrestling isn't about competition, It's about emotion, Daddy, And

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for those of us who have lived through trauma, who

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have led our who have had our lives rewritten in

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ways we never asked for, wrestling offers something no other

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medium does. It takes pain, the kind of pain we bury,

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the kind of pain that festers in the back of

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our minds, and turns into something we can see, something

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we can feel without consuming us. Wrestling externalizes suffering. It

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makes it something you can cheer for, rage against, invest in,

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and most importantly see resolve. It used to be that way.

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Speaker 1: It used to be that way because I never you know,

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I've never, when considering my deepest, darkest pain, broke out

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in chance of this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, No, or even my my biggest joy usually

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my big my happiest moment. We be speechless, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And rarely when I see something I cheer, rage,

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cheer for, or rage against or invest in become resolved

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and real in front of my eyes, do I think

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to myself, where's the herd camera? Can I get onto you?

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I'm always looking for the hard camera. Hold on here?

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Where was I?

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Speaker 2: I just accidentally because here's the thing, and the real world,

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closure is a myth. The bad guys don't always get

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what's coming to them, well neither in wrestling, for that matter.

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The people we love disappear and sometimes there are no answers.

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But in wrestling, Oh, in wrestling, the score always gets settled.

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The hero does come back from rock bottom, the villain

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will pay for their sins, betrayals are answered, debts are collected,

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especially if you're irs, and every tragedy serves a purpose.

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It's catharsis plain and simple. But more than that, it's escapism.

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For those few hours, we don't have to be ourselves.

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We don't have to be the people carrying whatever weight

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life is dumped on our backs. Instead, we can step

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into an absurd, ridiculous, beautiful world where pain is temporary,

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where the fight is never over, and where the impossible

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can happen. That's why bray Wyatt could create monsters and

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demons and yet still be one of the most human

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figures in wrestling, because wrestling is where pain transforms into mythology.

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We're suffering isn't just something that happens to you. It's

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part of the story and the world that often leaves

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us adrift wondering why things happen the way they do.

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Sometimes all we need is a place where the suffering

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means something, even if it's just for a little while.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts well, Josh, I would agree that it it does.

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It does provide a respite from the reality that people

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suffer all the time and nothing comes of it, no one,

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no life lessons are gained. There's you know, there's no

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there's no upside, there's no there's no silver lining, you know.

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That's why it's so uh, that's why it's so comforting

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to lean into visions of what happens to us after

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we die. That's the that's the currency of religion in

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a lot of ways, is trying to offer that comfort

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when the plain fact is you see people who don't

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deserve things get shit all the time, or you see

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people who don't deserve to die die all the time.

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You see people who don't deserve to live live all

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the time. Yep, And so yeah, I guess, I guess

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I get what you're saying. And that in wrestling, you

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if you see something that impacts you that way, you

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can take comfort in the fact that the storyline is

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set up so that eventually that person's going to get

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their So now the problem is that in wrestling, a

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lot of the people that are set up to be

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the good guys in those scenarios turn out to be

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complete pieces of shit in reality, right, which is not

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something you have to worry about, is it regards Peter

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Parker or Clark Kent. But in wrestling, these are actually living,

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breathing human beings deeply flawed, which explains why they're in

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the business in the first place. And that really fucks

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it up because you can't always rejoice in a I

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don't know, in a hul Cogan winning in the end

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that gets taken away from you eventually.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, do you have anything to say, Boss,

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it's you know, it's interesting. I can I can appreciate

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the the that that idea I mean, I think I

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don't necessarily I mean that that to me that this

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description of of this, this place is could be anything. Honestly,

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I don't think of it as just professional wrestling. I

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think if it is anything a book, this this could

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be the movies, you know, it could be movie theater,

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could be the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: But because like for me, it sounds like a lot

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of what he's saying. It sounds like what they say

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every year at the Academy Awards, you know, when they

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have those big, long, drawn out like what the movies

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mean moments.

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Speaker 2: Which is equally annoying to me. Yeah, as someone who

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loves the movies, who wants you know, you know, just

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always had a fascination with with movies and being a

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part of it. I I it's like, come on, like

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what you what are you doing? Like, yes, there are listen.

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Art is art is the most to this day, is

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like the most underappreciated thing we can we do with that.

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That that that in this world, you know, everyone everyone

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wants other things more than or things, other things are

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more important than art, even though there are a million

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reasons to show that art can be one of the

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most important things to to to help people or to

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do anything like it's but at the same time, it's

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like there are yeah, this this thing they do with

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making the you know, the movies feel so like this

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like it's saving people lives, save with people with lives,

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and listen, it does. For sure, there are people's lives

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who are say by by watching movies. In certain way,

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it's not necessarily directly for sure, but it's like it's

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you know, those films are one in a million, you know,

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like you can probably count on maybe two or three

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a year that that could and don't necessarily don't necessarily

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get to the point where they have that impact. Now, wrestling,

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for me as a kid, when I first got into it,

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I was not a real sports fan. That's not a

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sports key agreed, because I just never you know, it

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just I don't know it was ever. I like, I like,

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I've always liked going to games. I've always liked going

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to games, but I was never into sports like a

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lot like most other people are. And that is the

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key deliinegation, because it's I'm not saying one's better than

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the other, but if you came to pro wrestling being

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a huge fan of real sports, then you want pro

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wrestling to be something different than people who came to

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it from comic books and and this is what I

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wanted sports to be. To me. That's what drew me

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in was the fact that holy shit, you know, like

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they they're treating it like a sport. But this is

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what I want sports to be, right, Like, I don't

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even like boxing when I was a kid, like it

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just it bored me, you know, like I just never

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found it interesting, but this did because it was like, yes,

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this is what sports should be.

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Speaker 1: It's all high spot, it's all it's all what it's

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all towards the goal of making the most exciting things

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possible happen in front of your eyes. It's not all

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high spots. But it's also like it's like, you know,

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what do I want on like a football field. I

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want the other team to attack the team on the sidelines.

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I want the team to I want the teams to

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fight on the sidelines, you know, like have a pull

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apart brawl on the sidelines that doesn't get pulled apart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what that they actually, you know, and that's

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all that's to me what wrestling was like, here are

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athletes who are kicking each other's ass because they don't

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like each other, and I'm like, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's boundless in that way, like you can. Pro

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wrestling allows you to let people react as we would

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all like to react deep in our souls, you know,

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but we can't because we live in a society and

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unless you want to be a total fucking idiot and

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you have to keep that inside.

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Speaker 2: And like and and and I can, I can, And

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it is interesting. It is a very curious thing. I

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will say this. One thing that I think wrestling has

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over any other form of entertainment is that at its best,

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there are at its best, it is a way to

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to to like, see, I take the you know everyone

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everyone Austin McMahon. Okay, everyone loved the idea of, you know,

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being able to beat up their own boss. That was

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the way most people lived vicariously through Steve Austin's They

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would watch this to see, you know, to feel like, yes,

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that's what I want to do my boss. For me

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in high school, that's what I wanted to do to

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my principal, right, sure, any authority, you know, anybody exactly.

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It was like, you know, there was that one you know,

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well not the not the overall principle, but the you know,

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the the dean of the junior, the dean of students juniors,

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and anybody that you felt was abusing their power, right right,

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or at least like didn't let you do what you want?

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Abusing their power? Yeah, well, not necessarily. Sometimes there are

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rules in place in which they're not abusing their power.

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You just don't want to go by the rules, you know,

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And because like I'll say, the Dean, she never fucking

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shed an abuse her power, Like she just followed the rules.

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But you know, when you go to a Catholic high school,

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you don't want to have to fucking tuck your shirt

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in every fucking minute of the day.

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Speaker 1: And you tell yourself that if they really wanted to,

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they wouldn't have to follow that rule to a t

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and nothing would happen to them, right, right, And that

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that that's kind of what I mean by abuse of power.

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It's not that they're going outside the rules, which is

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a great point. I mean that is abusive power is

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when you go extra judicial in a way. But but

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the you know, if anybody can tell you what to do,

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it's very easy to to say, you know, you didn't

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have to do that. I don't care what the rules say,

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you know, right, And that that's kind of like Vince,

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you know a lot of the things that he was

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telling Steve Austin to do in the beginning kind of

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makes sense just coldly on paper. Is if he's the

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guy who runs the organization and wants to keep it,

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you know, respectable or whatever the gimmick was. You know,

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you can understand why he's acting this way, but you also,

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you know, wrestling gives you license to just stomp all

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over that with no consequence, you know, and we can't

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do that in life. You know, there there are people

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who will own us until the day we die. Yep,

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there is no other way to organize a society. That's

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when it lasts. And so agreed, we we navigate it.

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We navigate accordingly. We download the rules of the game,

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and we don't drive ourselves insane trying to pretend that

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we can somehow circumnavigate that that whole thing. We just

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play the game. So good stuff, thought provoking.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, now, I yeah, and then they're they're they're parts

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of that that I totally, I totally can agree with,

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But you know, I just think, yeah, I don't know,

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in a weird way, I feel like Bray Wyatt, It's

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wrestling is too deep for him, Like, well, calm down,

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I agree, Yeah, he got he rest in peace. I

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really enjoyed a lot of the stuff that he did,

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But there's a reason that it always hit a wall

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with him because eventually it gets cringe, you know, Eventually

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it's like this is this is calm down, you know, like,

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and most of us are not watching it so that

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we don't go into a depression watching it, right, because

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it can be pretty cool if done well right, And listen,

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all the power to him, because he's the only person

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in the world who could pull off a fucking exactly

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a horror monster character and to that degree, like.

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Speaker 1: Off the kind of promos he was cutting, you know,

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just so abstract. And but there's something really kind of

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like sad when wrestling has to be abstract art. You know,

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it's like it's the one thing that should allowed. It

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should be on the nose. It should be what you

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see is what you get, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right because again, like I like I said, I see

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it like a sport. I see it like a fantasy sport, right, Matt, Right, again,

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you see athletes just want to beat each other up.

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They don't they don't hold back in their anger. They

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let their anger take over.

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Speaker 1: And there's room for character there, I mean, every sport.

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When you learn about some of the craziest personalities you

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find out Brian Pillman was Brian Pillman in a lot

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of ways before he ever became a pro wrestler of course,

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you know, and football players share a lot in common

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with the wrestlers, as Kim would talked about, So it's

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not like this is unique to wrestling. That you know,

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these people can have characters and successful at their sport.

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But I'm sorry, somebody wired like Bray was in any

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other sport, it's not going to be a pro. He's

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too scatterbrain, like you can't. So so it kind of

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it starts to get a little ridiculous. And this was

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always Bray's problem when he took that whole thing and

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then try to get in the ring and make us

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care about wins and losses. That there was those spark

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moments where people felt he was so good at his

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care that they wanted to see him get his flowers.

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But wanting someone to win the title to get their

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flowers is a lot different than wanting someone to win

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the title because they fucking rule and you know, right,

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and it's their time and they're finally getting their hands

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00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,480
on somebody and their opportunity. Bray, it was always like, okay,

470
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,440
now now he has to wrestle, and everything that makes

471
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,799
him interesting doesn't translate into a match, right, And when

472
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,599
they tried to do it, it became a complete shit show, right,

473
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,119
the right shit show, The Purple Match, what was it,

474
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,240
the the Mountain Dew black Match, the worms on the canvas.

475
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,799
They had to do so much of that because it's

476
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:37,599
so impossible just to put them in the ring, and

477
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,119
you have people care you know, right, interesting stuff. Yeah,

478
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000
it definitely is on twin Peaks, Chad writes. Once, during

479
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,680
a vacation of Seattle, a couple of friends and I

480
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,799
took a twin Peak side trip to Tweet's Cafe, which

481
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,480
is the real life Double R. Yes, I ordered some

482
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:54,200
sort of open faced turkey sandwich. There was so much

483
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,200
gravy on the plate it must have been a leader.

484
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,640
My friends were making fun of my choice, so I decided,

485
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,680
fuck you guys, and I ate the whole including the

486
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,559
earth gravy.

487
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,279
Speaker 2: Wow, good for you.

488
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: After lunch, I agree, I do like I do. Like

489
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,839
what's the word I'm looking for? Spiteful eating? Yes, there

490
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,480
is something to be said for Oh you know what

491
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,680
I'm gonna do about it? And you know what I'm

492
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,920
gonna do about all the anxieties that food gives you.

493
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,119
I'm going to eat right now. Yeah, whatever the fuck

494
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,799
I want? How about that exactly exactly after.

495
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: Lunch, we lot.

496
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,759
Speaker 1: We hiked down to the bottom of snow call Me Falls.

497
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:31,480
It was a steep trail. I knew I was going

498
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:32,640
to be in trouble on the way back up.

499
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:33,279
Speaker 2: Ready to go.

500
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: Nah, I'm enjoying this, let's say for a while, I said,

501
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:38,200
But I couldn't keep k fabe forever. And during and

502
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,440
after the walk back I had the worst heartburn of

503
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,200
my life. That Solar System was the day I sweated.

504
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,200
A leader of Brown Wow should have opted for coffee

505
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,079
and pie.

506
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god. That's brutal.

507
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: The stuff that the Twin Peaks Journey is brought out

508
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,839
of Solar System members. It's quite something to see a

509
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,279
whole different side. Daniel James done. We want to thank

510
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,000
you very much for your or his pledge. Welcome into

511
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,720
the EPT or same to you, Macbuddah, Marty. We appreciate

512
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:08,119
the support that piece of shit. Hulkgan followed back up

513
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,039
and asked why was Shawn's boyhood dream a big deal

514
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,839
in ninety six but not when he was trying to

515
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,039
win the Rumble in ninety four or when he actually

516
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,039
won it in ninety five and got the shot at

517
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,480
Diesel I call bullshit. I don't think Sean had dreams

518
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:23,200
during his boyhood. I didn't realize.

519
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: I also don't think he lost his smile either. I

520
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,559
think he had it all in a time in his

521
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,680
pocket right all the time.

522
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: It's true, like when they were building Wrestlmingia twelve, Shawn

523
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,759
never reflected on the other times he had title shots

524
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:35,480
and lost. That wasn't part of it. It was like,

525
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,200
this is the first time he ever got the title shot.

526
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:40,559
I know, well, it was the first time he ever

527
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:40,880
had a.

528
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,319
Speaker 2: World title shot as a babyface, right, But that's kind

529
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,839
of you know, that's kind of his point, like it

530
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,759
wouldn't have been the achievement of a boyhood dream if

531
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,720
you were a heel and won it. You know, no,

532
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,519
I guess not because that makes you because I mean, listen,

533
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,799
I agree. I'm not saying he should have said it

534
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,279
when he was a heel. I'm saying when he was

535
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:02,000
a face, maybe reference to failures in the past may

536
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,440
have made some sense, you know. Yeah, well, no, we

537
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,440
don't want to acknowledge that stuff. It's a different time

538
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,640
didn't happen. But pal anything, anything, anything prior to nineteen

539
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,119
ninety four was old generation.

540
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: I think yesterday was anything I want to forget.

541
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Is right. I think I don't want anything. I don't

542
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,759
want to acknowledge anymore. Is not ever happened? Also right.

543
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: I didn't realize at first that Sean was calling his

544
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,880
fans the click. I didn't even know what the word

545
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,319
click meant. When the April Lank, I know, huh. That

546
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
was the first time I hear you know, you know uh,

547
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,480
because I I it was. It was so funny I

548
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,799
heard it. I heard it there. I didn't really know

549
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,160
what the fuck that meant.

550
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,599
Speaker 2: And my mom, believe it or not, was the one

551
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,480
who kind of she knew what a clique was, and

552
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,799
she knew like and she started like, I remember she

553
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,759
said it one time. So I heard it first with

554
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:58,880
Sean Michaels. And then my mom said something about a clique,

555
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,440
like are you gonna hate? It's just like that, she said,

556
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:07,039
you know something. It was like she said, oh, you're

557
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,559
gonna like hang out with your click or something like that,

558
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920
And I was like, what the fuck is it? What

559
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,000
do you know about clicks? Mom? Exactly are you gonna

560
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,559
Then she explained to me what a you know, a

561
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:19,160
click was kind of like a group or a you know,

562
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:21,599
or I mean she put it as a gang.

563
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: But you're not going to buy me that sewn Michael's

564
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,640
deadam jacket for Christmas?

565
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: Please don't, mom, Please, I have a little bit of

566
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,519
pride and so yeah, but so like that's what I'm

567
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:35,839
And then and then I heard it all the time

568
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,720
after that, then I heard it all the time, and

569
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,160
like there was even a group in high school, in

570
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,680
my high school that people called the Click. Yeah. I

571
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,119
was like, the fuck?

572
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Is this ship very very clicky? They sometimes?

573
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah.

574
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,079
Speaker 1: When the upper linkediny six issue of WI magazine arrived

575
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:53,920
in my bailbox, he writes, I remember the cover had

576
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,640
a picture of Seawan Michaels in the headline kicking it

577
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,079
with the click.

578
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: I remember that. Yeah.

579
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Since I didn't know what click meant, I thought k

580
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,160
l i Q you were the call letters of a

581
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:01,880
radio station.

582
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, there you go, that's yeah, that works.

583
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Why is there an article in this magazine about Sean

584
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,519
Michaels hanging out at a radio.

585
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: Station hanging with you got a kali q pop radio?

586
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,079
I'll say?

587
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: And I had a wonderful point made here in conclusion.

588
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,680
German Wrestling had a round system, but Auto vance was

589
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:37,799
a round system, or was systemically round, systemically round. Suddenly

590
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,960
it sounds like an area of academic study. Whenever you

591
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,599
say something is systemic, all of a sudden there's professors around.

592
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe, I believe Otto Vance was studied.

593
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,119
Speaker 1: The question is it? The question isn't did it happen?

594
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,160
The question is is it systemic? Question is is there

595
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,519
somebody we can blame and displace from the top echelon?

596
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,359
Is there a secretary or an executive director or a

597
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,039
CEO that we can get rid of because of this?

598
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,079
By claiming it is there, always is there, always is,

599
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:10,920
looking for that sculp, looking for that scalp.

600
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:28,519
Speaker 3: You know, wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the

601
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:46,599
boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan. He's the

602
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,039
lapsed fan. Wrestling podcast with.

603
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,519
Speaker 2: Jack, And.

604
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:53,759
Speaker 1: It was always it's always so funny to me, Like,

605
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:58,960
you know, journalists take on politicians all the time, but

606
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200
when they do an investigation and they want it to

607
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:08,200
be perceived as having consequence, they need politicians more than

608
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,880
ever because they need someone to submit a bill to

609
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,039
change the problem that they spotlighted in their reporting. Because

610
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,400
if no one wants to introduce a law to change

611
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,839
what it is. They pointed out that it isn't a

612
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,799
really big deal, now, is it? Strange Bedfellows? Strange bedfellows?

613
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Chris writes coach chair, as I'm convinced there's a supernatural

614
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:30,440
and centrifugal force prompting a twenty twenty five TNH re Listen.

615
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:31,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

616
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Years after the fact, I see posts from Brandon in

617
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,799
New Jersey and he's feeling the same left wing vibration

618
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000
sweeping the nation. Brother, hide the ball ring around the

619
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:45,079
Rosie motion for summary judgment, apropos, Hogan and Bishoff. Everything

620
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,079
that was once bad is back and worse than ever.

621
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,359
Those outside the Solar system are finally getting a taste

622
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,319
of the established lesson that doubling down on the same

623
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,400
tired formula produces and even shitty result the second time around.

624
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:59,160
Spoiler alert, everyone loses DNH. Pat Addison, we want to

625
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,799
thank you very much for your increase in pledged. It

626
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,079
seemed to you Richard Kimmel, thanks very much for stepping

627
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,119
up in a very big way. Cliff has mort say

628
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,039
in Royal Rumble ninety six to year co Chairs on

629
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:10,639
the Night of Rod rum ninety six, I tried to

630
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:15,320
bite my dad's neck. I'm just kidding. It's an old

631
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,840
you bitter goodie real ones now n ninety six I

632
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,840
got the biting thing under control. I did, however, have

633
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,239
another irrational fit of anger. Allow me to explain where

634
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Rumble ninth ninety six was the first Royal Rumble that

635
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:28,079
I was going to watch live on pay per view.

636
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Like most of the pay per views I'd watched by

637
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,639
the time, I asked my grandmother if she could ordered

638
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,480
on TV since she had the pay per view box.

639
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,079
I paid for it using the money I made from

640
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,360
mowing lawns the previous summer. The night of the show,

641
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,599
I gathered at my grandmother's house with her, my grandfather,

642
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,920
my parents, my sister Carrie, my best friend Tony. When

643
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,400
eight o'clock came, the pay per view channel was still scrambled.

644
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:50,719
Oh God, do we know the struggle? Oh it's the worst. Panic, panic, yep.

645
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,159
I grew up from every minute counts. At this point,

646
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,760
my grandmother called the cable company to get the problem fixed,

647
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,800
but no go. After a while we all realized the problem.

648
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: Wasn't going to be fixed.

649
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I walked across the street to my house with Carry

650
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,320
and Tony. Feeling dejected and disappointed, we hung out of

651
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,519
my sister's room, listening to the show through a scrambled feed.

652
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,880
It probably wasn't the best idea because all it did

653
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,440
was remind me that I couldn't watch the show, but

654
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,039
we listened anyway. When the pre Rumble promos began, I

655
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,199
was shocked to hear the voice of Jim Cornett speaking

656
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,039
for his newest charge, Vader. I was confused. The last

657
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,239
time I had seen Vader he was in WCW and

658
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,119
had become a good guy, joining Hulkogn's team of Hulk

659
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,000
a Maniacs for the Wargames match at Fall Brawl the

660
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,320
previous September. When ww F anounce which I know, and

661
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,360
that funny that Vader left is a babyface. Yeah, like

662
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,360
Vader Left is an ally of Hulkogan, not his you know,

663
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,519
chief foil. When WWF announced that Vader would be debuting

664
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:38,960
in the Rumble match, I just assumed that he would

665
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,599
continue to be a face. So you can imagine my

666
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:42,679
surprise when I heard Cornett's voice hyping up the mast

667
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,239
to Don. That surprise quickly turned into anger and with

668
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,159
the lingering disappointment of not being able to watch the

669
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,679
show weighing on my heart. My angle anger boiled over

670
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,719
and I shouted, Vader, you're a trader legendary. Tony just

671
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,880
looked at me and said, Cliff, come on. Not only

672
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,639
did I feel betrayed by this fat piece of shit

673
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:01,800
by us, I felt embarrassed for acting like such an ass.

674
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,119
The night wasn't all that bad. My mom ended up

675
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,159
going to Blockbuster and renting me a wrestling tape. Oh

676
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,920
that's sweet, so I could at least watch something that night.

677
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,960
She brought home w W Hollyween Havic nineteen ninety four.

678
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,039
Tony and I watched it and decided during the wow

679
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,360
Arn Anderson Dusty Roads match to have a steel chair match.

680
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,800
It was really just a pillow fight, but we pretended

681
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,679
the pillows were steel chairs. I think I lost.

682
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

683
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Anyway, my grandmother was able to order the replay of

684
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,679
Royal Rumble two nights later. So you see, there was

685
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,480
such a thing as happy endings. And I'm not talking

686
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,639
about the kind that Robert Kraft got at that day Spond,

687
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,639
Florida few years back. Yours truly, Cliff, and he says,

688
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,000
I don't know goes on in New England to catch

689
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,320
up is entirely appropriate for eggs and eggs sandwhich is

690
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,159
you know, we're not going to do this.

691
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: No, we're not going to do this. Nope, nope, nope,

692
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,480
you're wrong, You're wrong. Listen. That is the thing about ketchup,

693
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,480
all right. The thing about ketchup is if if on

694
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:56,840
certain foods, it completely overpowers everything. You know, some foods

695
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,519
it doesn't. It did overpowers it does.

696
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: It really is a condiment that you use when you

697
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,719
don't like the taste of the food on the plate.

698
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,599
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I don't agree with that because I

699
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,320
love I love French fries with ketchup.

700
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: I love friend, but I love good French fries without ketchup.

701
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,559
I like decent French fries with ketchup. I no, I

702
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:16,760
love French fries with ketchup all the time. Okay, you

703
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,119
need and and I need and listen, by the way, yeah,

704
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:23,559
I need it on a burger listen.

705
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: And I don't want to just just ketchup. I need

706
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
the full you know, I mean a lot of different

707
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,760
things on on there. But yes, you do, all right,

708
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,159
you know, listen, I want to ketchup and the mayonnaise

709
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,480
and the yellow mustard and the relish and then tomato

710
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,639
and cheese, all that shit. I want to I want

711
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,239
a loaded burger, but ketchup is a must. Without it,

712
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:46,000
there's a weird like and I've had it without it,

713
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:47,719
you know, someone you know Sometimes I feel like that,

714
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,320
you know, I don't really want the ketchup and then

715
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,280
everything else that I have on it, it just makes

716
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,880
it too rich. But just having mustard and whatever, it's

717
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,800
like it's just too rich all of a sudden, and

718
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,440
like there's the vinegar miss of ketchup cuts that. See.

719
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with what you're saying. But when

720
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,320
I I hold that against the burger, if it's too

721
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,800
rich without ketchup, see, I think that burger doesn't.

722
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: Have to be that way. No, it's not the burger though.

723
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,719
It's it's like if you put the condom, let me listen. Listen.

724
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,760
Sometimes I have a burger with nothing, just a cheeseburger

725
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,280
bread that's it too. That's spectacular and I love that.

726
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,119
But when I want condiments on it. When I'm feeling condiments,

727
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:35,519
I I need to have ketchup on there. I can't

728
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:36,639
not have ketchup on there.

729
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: I need ketchup mayonnaise, mayonnaise, ketchup, mustard, raw onion, and moroccan.

730
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, we need any manaise for sure need mannaise

731
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,000
on there. Mayonnaise is like it's yeah, it's it's a

732
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:49,679
miracle worker.

733
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,639
Speaker 1: I've said this before and it's very clear. McDonald's cheeseburger's

734
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,480
tastes like ketchup, Burger King cheeseburgers tastes like mustard, Wendy's

735
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,800
cheeseburgers taste like mayo. And that's that's the So whatever

736
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,000
fast food chain you grew up eating the most, that's

737
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,960
what you want in your burger. That's my personal opinion.

738
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you're not wrong. You're not

739
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,239
wrong with that, and uh it's just uh yeah, there

740
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,639
are there are some things, you know, ketchup is it.

741
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,800
I'm picky with it, like I can't just have it,

742
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,960
like I can't and I usually can't have it alone,

743
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,679
you know, like I can't have it alone. I need

744
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,760
to have something else with it. Except with French fries,

745
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,239
French frise, I can have ketchup and it's it's wonderful.

746
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,639
I guess, I guess, I guess we are going to

747
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,559
do this. Yeah, we are doing this. You can't. You

748
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:38,519
can't put it on the table. Listen, it's there, it's there,

749
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,280
and it's gonna be it's gotta be cattle, all right.

750
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:46,079
Speaker 1: So rolling on here, because Rob, he put a lot

751
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,199
of work into this, boss, and I know we don't

752
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,159
always like to encourage this, but he makes a hell

753
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,679
of a case. He says, the Fantastic Four movie qualifies

754
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:58,920
for Under the Cinema? Which one you're about to find out? Oh,

755
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,239
you can convey his uh, his findings.

756
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 2: All right, let's see, let's see him dear openers of

757
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:11,119
my anus, Like you know, I picture you got one hand,

758
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,760
I got the other. Like we just let's go, Rob. Yeah,

759
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,000
I feel like a real bitch. What do I to start?

760
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,880
Because I'm rewriting you an email last May I wrote

761
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,280
into my favorite college podcast and it was pretty cool

762
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,039
to hear Jack read out my name in the summer

763
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,639
mail bag. But the excitement ended right there when the

764
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,280
email itself disappeared quicker than the tag team of Kwang

765
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,079
and Hakushi in nineteen ninety five. So here, I am

766
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,639
pathetically rewriting that email to you guys, like the absolute

767
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,639
bitch that I am feeling like I've called a girl

768
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,199
on the phone, She's hung up on me, and now

769
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,719
I'm calling your back. Ah, you know, I would you know?

770
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,639
I think the line's good. Disconnected. I do this mainly

771
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,000
because I saw the latest trailer for the new Fantastic

772
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,199
Four movie and realized I had some info that might

773
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,480
be of use to under the cinema and the solar

774
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:03,719
system at large. I've hesitated to send an email like

775
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,800
for fear You'll think I'm looking for some free promotion

776
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,719
in advertising. Just do it. Just do it. Won't make

777
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,920
that decision. Just do it. I wouldn't dare. I'm well

778
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,079
aware I don't have that PAPS money. But hearing about

779
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,519
the whole ballgame in recent episodes, I thought the Chairman

780
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,719
would got a kick out of hearing about another one

781
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,760
of their podcast children outside the world of wrestling. For

782
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,159
four years now, the Marvel versus Marvel podcast has been

783
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,199
applying a good, healthy chunk of that TLF approach to

784
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,239
the world of Marvel movies and the long history of

785
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,320
the Collic books that inspired them. Hmmm, that's interesting. From

786
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,480
the beloved greats like Sam Raimi, Spider Man two, the

787
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,800
Avengers in Infinity War, to the terrible failures like Morbiasts

788
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,320
and Madam Webb, to overlook slices of history like Howard

789
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,079
the Duck, the Japanese spider Man TV show from the seventies,

790
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,199
and the failed, low budget nineteen nineties Captain America movie

791
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,360
starring the son of J. D. Salinger as Captain America.

792
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,119
It's like TLF. We have no we leave no fucking

793
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,000
stone on the turn. That's right. I've been a member

794
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,280
of the Solar system since not quite day one. I

795
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,159
jumped board during the WrestleMania journey, and since then, I've

796
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,719
been letting this college podcast ran my rear end to

797
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:15,679
an embarrassing degree. Hey, listen, what have we done? Yeah, listen,

798
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,159
we've done the right thing that we have. I ruined

799
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,920
an entire family holiday for myself by spending it going

800
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,719
through the truly emotional Owen Hard episode telling my seven

801
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,280
year old niece to blame Martha Hart's book for why

802
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,519
I'm in no mood for family fun time. Please not

803
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:34,440
recommend it recommended, but not at that time of year. Yeah,

804
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,239
and then the pandemic ruined my life. I'm a comedy writer.

805
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,519
I've written for TV and radio shows in the UK,

806
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,760
and I spent a lot of the year working with

807
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,320
comedians on their tours and on shows for the Edinburgh

808
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,039
Film Fringe Festival. But my job took a beating once

809
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:55,079
COVID brought us a pain across the Pacific and shut

810
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,000
everything down. During the UK lockdown, we were only allowed

811
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,480
to leave the house once a day for an hour

812
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:09,760
to exercise. For you fucking prisoners, you're fucking outdoors time

813
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,199
to exercise or do some essential shopping quote essential shopping

814
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,079
to help stave off cavin fever and true madness. I

815
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,119
began binging the laps fan from the very beginning, but

816
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:24,119
I knew I needed more. I needed everything else to

817
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:26,599
occupy my mind than the same way that TLF occupies

818
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:34,320
my ass. It's like a you know, it's like a

819
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:36,480
like a like a like an insect that kind of

820
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,400
finds a little you know, like a like a carpenter bee.

821
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,960
You know, it's good. That's what we are. Like, we're

822
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
like carpenter be's, you know, he's kind of like, you know,

823
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,760
we burrow a little bit and kind of like nestle inside.

824
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,360
I love it.

825
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to know the ass stuff lands with

826
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,840
a professional comedy writer.

827
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: Exactly, and once again TLF showed me the way. Of course,

828
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,159
I couldn't do a wrestling podcast. I couldn't follow them

829
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,519
directly in your massive footsteps for fear coming the Greg

830
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,400
Gagny of the podcasting world. I've had two obsessions in

831
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360
my life, wrestling in comics. My parents even taught me

832
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,199
to read using Marvel comics. They'd wipe out Spider Man

833
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,119
word balloons and then write in simple things for me

834
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,920
to read, like dog and ball That's pretty cool, Yeah,

835
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,800
a nice idea. One of the things I loved about

836
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,400
early TLF shows is that it very much feels like

837
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,760
an expert in the ins and outs of an industry

838
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,719
discussing shows with a die hard fan to get the

839
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,760
two perspectives. So, as a Marvel expert of nearly forty years,

840
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,280
I got together with a friend who likes the movies

841
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,440
but has never read a Marvel comic in his life.

842
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,440
Answering all those questions, it's great and hopefully achieving the

843
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,159
true yin Yang of the fan experience. We had no

844
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,159
idea how to put a podcast together. The first few

845
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,840
episodes were a shambalic mess, until eventually I decided to

846
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,960
borrow liberally from the format of The Men who Were

847
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,800
going to town on my ass like a used chew

848
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,360
toy do daycare yep. Every show starts with us exploring

849
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,880
the production history of the movie, the behind the scenes

850
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,760
shoes between Disney and Universal, the failed Marvel projects from

851
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,199
Jim Cameron and Darren Aronofsky, the rewrites, the friction between

852
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,440
cast members, and everything else. Then we take a look

853
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,840
at the business side of the comic books and how

854
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,760
these characters were created, how Marvel Comics got started, and

855
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,920
how the X Men and Hulk were failure to begin with,

856
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,480
the fights between the publishers and the creators, and the

857
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,079
legendary artists who died in poverty while their creations became

858
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:27,639
beloved billion dollar intellectual properties. Like William Reegal says, don't

859
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:32,440
ever forget it's a bent business. And then, just like

860
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,760
my beloved TLF and just like the whole ballgame, we

861
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,480
deep dive of an entire movie or TV show to

862
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:39,880
pull apart the great moments and the terrible one, stopping

863
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,840
along the way to explore comic book history and trivia

864
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,440
along the way. We're a modest little podcast, but the

865
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,519
format we took from this Goddamn College podcast has helped

866
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:50,760
us attract an audience for four years and deliver over

867
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,360
one hundred episodes. We've been able to run some small

868
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,639
live shows, meet our listeners, and even won the Best

869
00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:00,400
Live Podcast award at the Nice Good Comedy Felt. The

870
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,760
big part of that is thanks to the inspiration from

871
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,320
your podcast. Sure, when we started, everyone told us that

872
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,480
long form podcasting was a big mistake. Welcome. Fuck Uh,

873
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,840
they ain't worse shit, Yeah exactly, But TLF did it,

874
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,119
so we went from ninety minute episodes to four hour episodes.

875
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,239
Your commitment to telling the whole story informed how we

876
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,519
approached our subjects. We wanted each episode to be the

877
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,000
definitive account on each movie in character. Your mantra of

878
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,360
no sacred cows informs how we report the history between

879
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,599
companies and powerless creators and helps us call out the

880
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,679
history of Marvel that is often racist and sexist. I

881
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,079
even beg for Patreon support by browbeating the cheap listeners

882
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,639
who don't support us and telling them they need to

883
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,280
do the right thing, which I ripped directly from TLF. Hey,

884
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,039
beautiful thing. You know, like you know, good writers borrow,

885
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:52,360
great writers steal.

886
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, proof of concept just keeps rolling in, folks.

887
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,519
I don't know what else we can say.

888
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: Last year we celebrated one hundred episodes, and soon we'll

889
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,960
be marking five years of making shows, and a large

890
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,760
part of that modest success comes down to the from

891
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,840
the TLF inspiration. Now, obviously we're not going to tell

892
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,159
the boss Man about wrestlers who've appeared in the Marvel movies.

893
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:12,320
He's all over that front of the cinemat. But do

894
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,840
the Chairman know about the uc WF in the Marvel comics?

895
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:23,760
In the Marvel comics, there is a federation for wrestlers

896
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,679
with superhuman strength called Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation. That's better

897
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,199
than World Class. I guess so Unlimited Class, that's kind

898
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:37,800
of and included Ben Grimm aka the Thing from the

899
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,400
Fantastic Four as one of the wrestlers. The UCWF first

900
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,719
appeared in Marvel Comics just three months after WrestleMania one.

901
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,239
And what was happening in that first UCWF story. It's

902
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,679
about how most of the wrestlers were hooked on a

903
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,000
dangerous drug to give them super strength for wrestling just

904
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,199
three months after the first Mania. This was such a

905
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,679
prevalent thought in the public's mind that it could form

906
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,440
the basis of a comic book for kids. So I

907
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,119
submit for consideration that Under the Cinemat can include any

908
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,360
Fantastic Four movie as it features UCWF wrestler Ben Grimm,

909
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,840
as well as the twenty twenty one movie Eternals, as

910
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,519
the character Icarus played by Richard Madden also laced boots

911
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,760
for Marvel's Corrupt Wrestling Company. Thanks for ten years of

912
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,039
TLF and thanks for years I thanks for four years

913
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:32,239
of MVM. Well that's interesting. That's an interesting thought.

914
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:35,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was worth passing on because that's

915
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,039
kind of something we never would have We would have

916
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,239
just looked at the cast list, you.

917
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, like does does the character like? Because because,

918
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,519
if I'm being honest, like it is kind of an

919
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:54,679
interesting thing because with comics translating into films, it's a

920
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,719
whole different it's a whole different kind of beasts. So

921
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,440
I wonder that if I kind of using even though

922
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,599
like the I don't know how they're going to do

923
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,920
this new Fantastic Four movie, but in the Fantastic Four

924
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,280
movies that they've done already, there is no mention of

925
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,000
the wrestling. But does because the wrestling, because the character

926
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:18,440
in the comics wrestled, does that make it qualify. Yeah,

927
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,280
it's a great question. It's an interesting it's not I'll

928
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,360
tell you what. It's definitely something I'm going to consider.

929
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: Robin followed up with a tremendous piece of proof. Take

930
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,280
a look at what I just sent you. This is

931
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,320
from a nineteen seventy two thing comic.

932
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: Gotcha. This is the way Dory Funk starts wrestling matches.

933
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,119
And if it's a good enough for the champ, it's

934
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,719
good enough for old Benjamin Grimm. He's fighting a hulk.

935
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's thing talking. And they reference Dory Funk Junior.

936
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: Is that fucking Matt Murdoch down there? I think so,

937
00:49:56,639 --> 00:50:00,039
Like down there with the cane and the glasses, I

938
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,920
think that is Matt Murdock. That's very interesting. I do not.

939
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,639
I'm gonna I need to look this thing up the

940
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,119
u c WF. This is I've never heard this before.

941
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds definitely like a little side project for sure.

942
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,159
Speaker 2: Yep.

943
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,159
Speaker 1: Maybe we could call upon the expertise that we know

944
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,960
is out there in the solar system around comics and

945
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:20,440
really make that one say.

946
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: Wow, that's wild. Are you ready for this? Are you

947
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,559
ready for this? I'm just stumbling upon this here. What

948
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:31,440
the fuck? The Grapplers is a fictional organization appearing in

949
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,000
American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is a

950
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,639
loosely organized group of female wrestlers, most of whom game

951
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,000
superhuman strength to the group known as power Broker in

952
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,519
corporate I've never fucking heard of this shit. Well I'm

953
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,400
not like, listen, I love comics, but I'm not like,

954
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,519
I'm not an expert in it. So this is this

955
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:57,679
is wild. Yeah. The thing is that they've got it's

956
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,280
got a bunch of different kind of you know, wiki

957
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,199
wiki pages, it is. It is really cool.

958
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 1: I love instances of how wrestling is mainstreamed before Hogan. Yeah,

959
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,039
I adore those examples because it runs so counter to

960
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:16,320
the narrative that like, only you know, weirdo wrestling fans

961
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,880
knew who the big wrestlers were before rock and Wrestling,

962
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,760
and it's such bullshit. You know, It's like they're wrestling

963
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,960
fans everywhere, including people at Marvel. And if you drop that,

964
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,119
if you drop that reference in a Fantastic four comic

965
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,480
in nineteen seventy two. You have to think that most

966
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,440
people would know who Dori Funk Junior is, Like, yep,

967
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,800
there's no way you just say that. So I think

968
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,639
it's really interesting.

969
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,559
Speaker 2: They list forty nine members. This is a Marvel fandom,

970
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,320
the Marvel fandom wiki, and they list forty nine comic

971
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:54,159
book characters who from specifically from the Earth six one

972
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,679
six the universe, which I believe Earth six from six

973
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920
is the real is like our Earth right, And let

974
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,559
me see here who I reckon? I Ben Grimm, the

975
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:09,119
Beyonder is one. Let me see. I don't know them.

976
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:11,039
I don't know that. So were you a big Fantastic

977
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:14,960
four guy? No, not really. I mean, like you know,

978
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:21,880
when I was when I was uh uh, when I

979
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,840
when I was a kid reading comics, I was definitely

980
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,280
a DC guy. I mean, Batman, Superman, those are my things.

981
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,039
I liked X Men two, but definitely was a was

982
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:36,199
a Sharon Ventura, I Wonder, I Wonder and slaughter Boy.

983
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:40,239
There's some little uh, there's some there's some names in

984
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,079
here that make me make me think that they're getting

985
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:47,280
some uh, you know, some inspiration from from some folks

986
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:54,320
in the ring. Joseph Hogan brother, right, I mean Joe Hogan,

987
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,480
who's talking to dude, Joe Hogan brother? What Joe Hogan

988
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:07,039
is gonna fly? Actually? But like you know, more recently,

989
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,039
I'm definitely more into Marvel comics and stuff and the movies.

990
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:14,280
Really I did that. I love the movies. I'm I'm

991
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,559
very forgiving of most of the movies, even the crappy

992
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:22,079
ones that are currently being made. But you know, it's

993
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,000
a you know, there's I want to say, you know,

994
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:29,920
there's uh, there's stuff bruin. So maybe I'll be in

995
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,880
touch with Rob at some point. There's stuff bruin. I

996
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,119
love it.

997
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,079
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, if we can put a pod on,

998
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,639
so to speak. Yeah, it's a good it's a good situation.

999
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,719
Jarra Vargas, thank you for increasing your pledge. Welcome to

1000
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,480
the executive Duscer Tier. My friend Sam O'Connor same to you.

1001
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,039
A big ballsy move. We appreciate it, uh, Sammy writes

1002
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:54,320
to us, Hello, coach. Heres recently the latest okay, recently

1003
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,320
the latest iOS update. There is now a way to

1004
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,639
convert your own voice into your own sery voice by

1005
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:00,719
reciting a bunch of lines. Sort of vice will analyze

1006
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,880
your voice create your own serie voice. I would pay

1007
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,039
big for Boss to record these lines so I can

1008
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:06,599
have my own personal Jesse or Vince.

1009
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:07,119
Speaker 2: Let me do that.

1010
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: Holy shit, perhaps a cameo was an order?

1011
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: Do you know that? That feature? No? Very interesting?

1012
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,119
Speaker 1: Well, Sammy, hit us up your email. Maybe we can accommodate.

1013
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: Create a personal voice on your Oh you can do hey, hey, hey,

1014
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,079
oh you want to tell me? I want to tell

1015
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:29,639
you where to go fantastic union protection. By any chance,

1016
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,920
I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to

1017
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:35,280
I'm going to do. I'm going to shed you down

1018
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:44,519
completely union union recognized roads. That's funny, Okay, everything. I

1019
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:46,960
read a series of randomly chosen text prompts and to

1020
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,960
record fifteen minutes of audio. If you have difficulty pronouncing

1021
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,159
or reading full sentences, you can also choose to record

1022
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:56,440
short through. This is amazingly. Shits are changing rapidly. Oh

1023
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,559
my god, things are changing very rapidly. Oh my god,

1024
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,800
paranoid hogan. Brother, why are you making that turn? Dude?

1025
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,280
Right at the stop side, make a let Wait? What

1026
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,079
do you mean left? Brother? I mean yeah. People would

1027
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,679
be fucking like confused, like would I take a left

1028
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,400
or not? Brother? Right, Why all of a sudden there's

1029
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,639
an emergency. Why can't we all chill out here for

1030
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:22,960
a second? Brother? Brother?

1031
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:23,599
Speaker 3: Whoa? Whoa, whoa?

1032
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: What's the dizio? Whoa? Let's calm down, brother, shit, fuck you.

1033
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: Appear you appear to be uh shifting in and out

1034
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,159
of the lane. Let's get this thing back on track, dude.

1035
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: So you're shifting in and out of the lane, brothers,

1036
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,440
kind of get this thing back on track, dude.

1037
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,199
Speaker 1: Oh, Scott, I felt bad. I described somebody as he

1038
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,880
looks like a guy who comes to the restaurant to

1039
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,079
set up your POS system with a blazer on over

1040
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:55,320
a polo, and Scott writes me at work yesterday t

1041
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,119
shirt with a blazer who does set up POS systems?

1042
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,519
Feeling very yet act but accepting my fate.

1043
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: I felt that. No, I don't know, I just had this.

1044
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,360
I just had this, like.

1045
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,599
Speaker 1: This image in my mind of somebody that like is

1046
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:12,320
at a restaurant at two point thirty in a blazer

1047
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:14,840
on a on a Tuesday, because he's working on the

1048
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,039
technology in the restaurant.

1049
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, He's not there. I don't know.

1050
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,199
Speaker 1: Sorry, you felt attacked. Not not that sorry, but it

1051
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,760
was funny that I nailed it like that. He probably

1052
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,039
deserved it, right, I love I love the thought of

1053
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:29,079
a listener hearing something we say and just looking down

1054
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:30,159
at themselves.

1055
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:32,199
Speaker 2: Being like, oh shit, I know right, like just called

1056
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:34,480
them out. Jeff has a great point. You see, it

1057
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,000
could be the exception of the rule. I don't know.

1058
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:36,599
Maybe you will.

1059
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:40,159
Speaker 1: Absolutely you are everything we always say. Let me make

1060
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:42,199
this proviso. I can't believe it took us ten years

1061
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:45,559
to say this. Everything we ever say is always present,

1062
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:49,039
company excluded. That's right, Jeff says, we need to list

1063
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:51,360
out every wrestler who's used their fat rolls to store

1064
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,559
food in eleven years of laughs. Oh shit, he says,

1065
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,159
hulk HOGI is a food truck at the farmer's market

1066
00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:01,519
where everyone looks like Jeremy Allen White.

1067
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:05,159
Speaker 2: That's good.

1068
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: The sandwich has caused thirty five dollars, take an hour

1069
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,559
to make and taste awful.

1070
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, that's right. I'd be right with like

1071
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360
it's like with Rosemary jam It's like right and uh

1072
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,360
and uh sprouts, Yeah, okay, stop, its fucking mess is

1073
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,079
what it is. Whenever, whenever Sprouts is involved, I'm gonna

1074
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,480
throw it in somebody's face. It is always very forced.

1075
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:28,159
It is I great sucks sprout like, don't don't fucking

1076
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:28,760
give me spear.

1077
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: Here's a sandwich. Let's make it taste like grass.

1078
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,639
Speaker 2: Listen, I want to have eight a sandwich that tastes

1079
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,159
like you know, what a fucking human being would eat,

1080
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,119
not this fucking sprout, what a rabbit would eat. Right,

1081
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,880
Eric Holman's thank you for that big plage.

1082
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: Eric, We appreciate that very good stuff. Carla Wright sad

1083
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,760
demize for the luscious one. Luscius Johnny Valiant. Everything tracks

1084
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,480
tragic and fatal collision. But then five thirty am puts

1085
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,280
a whole other spin on it, another world, black, whole

1086
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,480
of time. Five thirty am, he was valiant while staring

1087
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:05,639
down the headlights, no doubt. For those who don't know,

1088
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:07,800
he is run over by I think a bus and killed.

1089
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,599
And for close listeners of this American work, Jesus. For

1090
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:13,960
close listeners of this American work. Who knows the kind

1091
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,519
of admiration one Vince Junior had for the Valiants, and

1092
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:25,880
and and Jerry in particular. One does wonder if that

1093
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,840
that fatal crash was ever fully investigated.

1094
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:45,239
Speaker 3: Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys

1095
00:58:45,360 --> 00:59:03,440
need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's an lapsed

1096
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,039
fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and.

1097
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: Jpiro Carlo also says, I'm popping like good old or

1098
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,960
orvile Reddenbacher over here every time. Jeanne says Baltimore and

1099
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,440
Bruno San Martino.

1100
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, yes see.

1101
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: He says, the more I'm exposed to his personality, the

1102
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,039
more Monsoon comes across as the JB l of his era.

1103
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:29,400
Oh interesting, I did read that some of the talent.

1104
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,400
I think this was like in The Observer, anonymously sourced

1105
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,119
at the time. But part of the reason people did

1106
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:35,880
like Goerrilla and commentary is because the talent was told

1107
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,960
to only hook the leg if it was the actual fall,

1108
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:40,760
and Gorilla would come on, deviate, rip you to shreds

1109
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,800
for not hooking the leg on every pin, just so

1110
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,639
he could like look cool to predict ahead of time

1111
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,960
that it wasn't the finish, you know, kind of getting

1112
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,320
himself over as prusciant, you know, and a sage observer

1113
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,599
of the wrestling that's going on.

1114
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:55,679
Speaker 2: I thought that's funny. I have no problem with that.

1115
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,639
I'm totally fine with that. He's allowed to do that.

1116
00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:03,400
He's you know, he's he's sacred. I will say that, girl,

1117
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:06,159
Monsoon is sacred. Nothing you can do about him, He'll

1118
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:08,079
always be that way. There you go, no matter how,

1119
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,119
no matter how much you fucking hate his commentary. Don't care.

1120
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,639
Don't care, because he is a fucking he's yeah, don't care.

1121
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,039
Speaker 1: I can see old Italian ladies having paintings of him

1122
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:21,559
hanging out.

1123
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 2: I don't know what. Perhaps, of course they did, of

1124
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:24,800
course they did.

1125
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: Saint Marilla uh Steve says in Ireland, I think that

1126
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,159
w W Legends book and I didn't bother to look

1127
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:35,360
it up also has the story that hay Stacks Calhoun

1128
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,719
crushed to death his pet dog when he rolled on

1129
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,480
top of it in bed. Also popped at Boss's disgust

1130
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:44,760
that Oakerland's appearances. It has always been a joke in

1131
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,159
my family that my Gene Oakland is my dad's skinnier doppelganger.

1132
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:51,079
Speaker 2: That's pretty fun, that's funny.

1133
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,159
Speaker 1: This is the reason Pedro went back to WWF. This

1134
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:55,000
is in the Colosseum collection where we were kind of

1135
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,920
seeing eighty six stuff. The reason Padro Morales went back

1136
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,320
to w WF could have been because of a couple

1137
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,559
of bad territory runs in the Carolinas in Florida where

1138
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:03,000
he didn't have the work rate to make it higher

1139
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:04,719
up the card. I've seen results for JCP from the

1140
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,440
early eighties that have Pedro in the opening match. Yes, yes,

1141
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,599
that's a good point. I don't think he ever was,

1142
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,679
you know, committed to go into that territory full time.

1143
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,639
It started to happen was as things got super intense

1144
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:19,119
between Crockett and Vince in eighty five, after Crockett took

1145
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:24,320
over TBS from Georgia, well they bought it from Vince,

1146
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,320
and so it was fucking war at that point because

1147
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,159
Vince failed on TBS and that can't happen right, And

1148
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Vince started to run a lot of you know, Georgia

1149
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,519
cities and Georgia Championshiprestling cities in mid Atlantic cities and

1150
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:39,440
start trying to push in those areas. They tried to

1151
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,760
clap back and go into the Northeast. They went to

1152
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,760
Philly a lot, they went to Boston a lot, did Crockett.

1153
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,000
And what they would do is they would they would

1154
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,360
pretty much sign up anybody who used to be used

1155
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,159
to be a top guy in the garden who wasn't

1156
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,360
for whatever reason, with Vince anymore. So you'll see a

1157
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,719
lot of those old JCP results with Backland having one

1158
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,960
off matches. You'll see Pedro, You'll even see Brunos San Martino.

1159
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,679
I think a couple of times. I know Bruno went

1160
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:05,400
to Georgia in the early eighties with his son, like

1161
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,920
eighty two or so. He was on TBS when he

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was on the outs with Vince, with the McMahons, and

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and so that's more what it was. It was more

1164
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:15,519
and they would put Carlos Cologne in those cards to

1165
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,239
try to get the Porto Rican fans in the northeast

1166
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,920
to come out. That's that's more what it was. It

1167
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,480
was just like when they're in the Northeast, they would

1168
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,840
call these guys up. They wouldn't go, you know, they

1169
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:29,079
weren't working fucking Winston Salem and you know, Greenspo or

1170
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:32,559
anything like that. Ryan writes, nobody getting limited from a

1171
01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:35,159
rumble until the end sounds like a terrible idea. Oh well,

1172
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,920
got to see it once. Yeah, Yeah, We've had so

1173
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,920
many rumbles that now any any novelty that's left, I

1174
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,440
just want to lay eyes on it, even if it

1175
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,480
doesn't sound like a good idea. Yep, haystex Caloon points

1176
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,440
out very smartly that the we're talking about Scotland, and

1177
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,159
how the hell does our Arnold Scoland get pronounced that way?

1178
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,079
He says, the double a in Scoland is an alternative

1179
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,079
spelling for a with the accent mark on it, which

1180
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:03,800
sounds more or less like oh oh h in English.

1181
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,480
So whenever you see double as, if you are to

1182
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:09,400
pronounce it like an oh Scoland.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, so far you're telling you stuff that I

1184
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:12,840
don't find acceptable.

1185
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,199
Speaker 1: If you're wondering if it checks out, the answer is no.

1186
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,960
Christopher writes on the Colisseum collection, this is a unique journey.

1187
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,000
It's the journey we all took his VHS sluts. Yes,

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01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:28,119
it's the journey of ww's video production and marketing machinations.

1189
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And it's the journey of what the public would see

1190
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,320
in the video shops and aisles while they shook their

1191
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,559
heads and walked away.

1192
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: What does this? What's this world coming? You know?

1193
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,519
Speaker 1: They have the wrestling now on video. I was at

1194
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,679
the grocery store today I saw hul Cogan. They had

1195
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,920
one with a luel Bano is that his name?

1196
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,599
Speaker 2: Like? What is this? What's this world coming to? Where

1197
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,960
this stuff is put out for public consumption? I couldn't

1198
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,199
help ask myself who's renting this stuff? Yeah?

1199
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, like deviance. All right, Mary,

1200
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,119
I almost asked to talk to the manager. I'm serious.

1201
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,159
Speaker 2: I listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna,

1202
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:08,159
you know, I'm gonna make a petition. All right, We're

1203
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,159
gonna this is this is not happening in my town.

1204
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:15,880
I'm gonna I'm gonna take Listen, no supermarket that I

1205
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:20,719
go to is gonna have that fake ship right out

1206
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,239
in front where where where people were good, We're good.

1207
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:27,599
Speaker 1: This is going from people. This is going from shaking

1208
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,320
your head to militant acted. This is getting very strange.

1209
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:34,760
Decent people, okay, good decent people.

1210
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:42,559
Speaker 2: When did wrestling hurt you? Pal? I'd like to recruit you.

1211
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:44,320
I like to make you a reporter of mine, please.

1212
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:45,000
I like that.

1213
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I like the way you sing, and I heard you

1214
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,440
got you got some concerns that very much aligned with

1215
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:57,719
editorial stance on this wrestling stuff. Not for nothing, Legion

1216
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,239
ao D, Legion ao D, thank you very much for

1217
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,960
upping your pledge on Patreon my friends. Charles writes, Hello,

1218
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,400
co chairs, first time, long time. I just want to

1219
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,440
pass along little newspaper blurb from nineteen ninety three about

1220
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,039
the Holkstore attending a bass fishing tournament on Lake Minnetonka.

1221
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,320
Figured you guys would a kick out of it. I

1222
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,920
can't help but wonder if he stopped to visit the

1223
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,000
Ghania estate while he was there, and if Old Verne

1224
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,679
tried to take ninety percent of the fish caught thanks

1225
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,000
Rob A glory to the war Lord, ol glory to

1226
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,760
the Warlord. He said, I can't disagree with that. I

1227
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,480
want to send to you just so you can soak

1228
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:34,559
it in. It's not it's not a full article. It's

1229
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:36,559
just a picture of him standing up on a boat.

1230
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,280
It kind of looks, honestly, it almost looks like, I know,

1231
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,639
I know what it is. It's an event he's appearing at,

1232
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:44,159
but I would say he's on set for a thunder

1233
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:48,280
and paradise almost the way he's dressed. Hulk line, hulk

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01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:49,000
line and sinker.

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Speaker 2: It says, oh my god, fresh and resident hulk Hogan

1236
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:54,639
Center scan the waters of Lake Menatonka on Wednesday during

1237
01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:58,599
a pro am segment on the fourth annual Don Shelby

1238
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:02,280
US Invitational Bass Tournaments Go. The event, which begins and

1239
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,800
earns today, raises money for the Ronald McDonald House, a

1240
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,480
program that offers a home away from home for families

1241
01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:11,280
of children who are hospitalized for treatment for cancer and

1242
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,400
other blood related diseases. On board with Hogan was pro

1243
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,320
Best fisherman Ted Capra left and Twin Cities business man

1244
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,039
Irwin Jacobs. Erwin Jacob's like on the fucking cell phone, like,

1245
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,719
get me the fuck out of here, honey.

1246
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,239
Speaker 1: You won't believe who I was on the boat with today.

1247
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was he was you know the day.

1248
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,199
Remember we used to go see him at the uh

1249
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:36,840
you know in in uh, you know, Minneapolis.

1250
01:06:37,679 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: We saw him in the in the ring, you have

1251
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:42,000
to say, at the Civic Center. We saw he blew

1252
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:49,119
the roof off the place. Roof, he sure did. Were

1253
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:52,639
you talking to Cogan? Hul Cogan raising money here for

1254
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:56,760
the Ronald McDonald House. Vad are raising money for McDonald's.

1255
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: Crazy money to eat Ronald mcgradlem. Yeah. You can either

1256
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,719
raise money to support McDonald's or can raise money to

1257
01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:10,519
eat McDonald's.

1258
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:14,519
Speaker 1: There's two choices. Declann malloy, Thanks very much for your pledge,

1259
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:17,159
my friend. We appreciate you being at a corner. Kirk writes,

1260
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:18,360
the point of winning the Rumble is to get a

1261
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,800
world title shot at WrestleMania. So giving a title shot

1262
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,760
to the runner up before the winner gets their shot

1263
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,000
defeats the purpose. What makes the concept specialist the guarantee.

1264
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: No, it's the guarantee of the main event in WrestleMania

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01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:29,960
to get a title shot.

1266
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,519
Speaker 1: The idea think it's making the champions next title defense

1267
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:35,320
against the Rumble winner a date with destiny.

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01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:39,639
Speaker 2: No, it's the idea that whoever, because the idea is

1269
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:42,519
that you could. No, I disagree, because the idea is

1270
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:46,719
that the way they've always said it and the way

1271
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,280
it's been perceived, he's going to WrestleMania. Is that what WrestleMania.

1272
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:54,920
Winning the championship at WrestleMania is in the main event

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01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,559
of WrestleMania is a bigger deal than winning in the

1274
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,840
main event of any other show. Yes, if you win it,

1275
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,960
then you're crowned a true like legend. If you win

1276
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,960
it anywhere else, fine, but WrestleMania is the place where

1277
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,039
you get I mean think about mc foley. Mcfoley, the

1278
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:16,399
same fucking thing. He said this, and and and he

1279
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:21,239
said uhh. When after he lost his career match to

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01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:26,119
Triple H, he said, the one thing I never did

1281
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:30,039
was main event WrestleMania. Yes, cm Punk, the one thing

1282
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:31,840
I didn't do was main event WrestleMania.

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,279
Speaker 1: You didn't want to know something? Boss quickly on that. Yeah,

1284
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:37,439
him versus Roman Verse, Seth and a triple threat is

1285
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the night one main event and he is. Cmpunk has

1286
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,199
been on TV crying that he achieved his dream of

1287
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:46,319
main eventing. But you're not, dude, Come on, man, like

1288
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,079
that was the one thing we were supposed to be

1289
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,159
able to count on cmpunk for that. He wouldn't lean

1290
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in to a bullshit narrative even if it flattered him,

1291
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:57,000
you know, like he would he would absolutely not rest

1292
01:08:57,079 --> 01:09:00,880
until he knew that he was actually fuck If this

1293
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,239
is the main event, then he may evented against Undertaker

1294
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:05,479
in New Jersey. It's the same position. If it was

1295
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,199
one night, it'd be the Komain. It is the same thing, right,

1296
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,119
It wouldn't give me right break. This night one main

1297
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:13,600
event ship makes me absolutely sick.

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01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 2: To my stomach. I don't I don't. I don't mind

1299
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,760
it if it's done with something. You know that, I mean,

1300
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,119
I mind it, like I don't mind it. I'll tell

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01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:27,680
you what what what bothers me is? I think it's

1302
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,359
an opportunity every year to have the women main event

1303
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,680
a WrestleMania. Yeah, fine, night they should do that. I

1304
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,359
think I think the main event should always a night one.

1305
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,119
Top two would always be right the or no championship

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01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:44,960
match wherever it is, Championship match women and then championship

1307
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,319
match men. That's what that should be. It shouldn't be

1308
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,840
this change of the ship like just settle it. It

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,399
needs to be one of those two things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, God bless Sammy's ain, but like him and

1311
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:57,520
Kevin Owens versus USO's it was a highly anticipated match. Sure,

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,319
Sammy Say's walking around calling himself the main event. Do

1313
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:05,399
you think a tag title match will ever headline WrestleMania. Well,

1314
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,159
I thought Hogan and Beefcake versus Money Inc. Was going

1315
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:12,960
to and it didn't for a reason because it's not

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:13,560
a main event.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, because Hogan needed was gonna win the title anyway.

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I wonder I wonder if Brett was

1319
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,720
gonna if Yoko was just gonna win, or if Brett

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01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,000
was going to retain, if they would have done that,

1321
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,079
if they would have put Hogan on for last, I

1322
01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:27,560
still somehow can bet.

1323
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,319
Speaker 2: If they if they were better, if they if they

1324
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:33,319
were gonna have Yoko's going to win and win actually

1325
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:35,439
win the title, then then they would have probably had

1326
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,520
Hogan and the tag titles going last.

1327
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a WrestleMania nine documentary coming out soon on Peacock.

1328
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:41,000
Maybe we can get some hints.

1329
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:44,399
Speaker 2: No, that's very interesting. I mean, I know, like the

1330
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,239
reason they're doing that is because of Vegas Vegas, but

1331
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:49,760
like it's like, of all the fucking WrestleManias, I.

1332
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,159
Speaker 1: Think that was one where they actually like kind of

1333
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:54,319
like Wrestlmingia nineteen, where they went in with a with

1334
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:56,159
a game plan and make a documentary so they have

1335
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,920
the footage. I think the other ones it's probably very

1336
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,039
scattershot because I don't think they went into every WrestleMania

1337
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:04,800
shooting the you know, the preparation, because this one was

1338
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,920
like way over the top in terms of like pageantry,

1339
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,960
you know the result of that.

1340
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, they needed to do something for the fact

1341
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,600
that that they were going from like, what was it like,

1342
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,600
like sixty thousand people or whatever, or forty thousand people

1343
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,920
at wrestlming eight to like ten people. It's terrible in

1344
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,119
fucking Vegas. Yeah, you can.

1345
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,079
Speaker 1: Definitely see its ordering a documentary to like compensate for that. Like,

1346
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:25,640
this is actually bigger than anything we've ever done.

1347
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: We need to ramp it up. This is Vegas now,

1348
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,000
you know we're not talking about Yes, indeed, maybe we

1349
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,800
have a smaller crowd, but you know, in terms of grandeur, right,

1350
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,479
I mean the camels, look at the cameras then everything,

1351
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,319
this is the most This is the most extravagant wrestlemaning

1352
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:39,960
we've ever had.

1353
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: We are show business, Yes, somebody are the Biz show.

1354
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,239
Someone said as a clip events on bite this when

1355
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:49,600
they had that show of him saying that if there

1356
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,279
was one thing that could bring the Jews in the

1357
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:54,079
Arabs together, it was WWF.

1358
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But to go back to the thing,

1359
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,319
I don't mind because because the whole thing about the

1360
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,319
it's like they always said, they'll meet whoever is champion

1361
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,720
because the idea originally, the idea originally was that the

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01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,079
champion was defending the belt almost every night on the

1363
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:18,920
road it's like Brett Hart, even though we're not seeing

1364
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,119
televised matches, he is supposed to be defending the belt

1365
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:24,000
every night on the road. He doesn't defend in thirty

1366
01:12:24,079 --> 01:12:28,680
days and more than thirty days exactly, so and he

1367
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,119
could potentially lose the belt on the road, you know.

1368
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:34,880
And so Yokozuna in ninety three would have faced whoever

1369
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:37,560
was champion in the main event of WrestleMania. So I

1370
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,920
understand the point. And I know you've argued that they

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shouldn't have a show in between, and da da da da.

1372
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,600
I I don't know. I mean, I I think it

1373
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:54,159
only serves. It serves the current time where you've got

1374
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:56,600
like eighteen thousand world champions and so you need to

1375
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,199
like set up contenders. So I don't mind elimination chamber.

1376
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:01,840
And I think, I don't know, I think it would

1377
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,600
be a unique idea to have the just that the

1378
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:07,960
you know, then they then then like the runner up,

1379
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,399
they get an opportunity to main event WrestleMania if they

1380
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:14,479
win the championship, which you know, depending on the situation,

1381
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,239
it's a different way to Mania. But everyone trying to

1382
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:18,239
get to Mania, not to the Bell right, which seems weird,

1383
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:21,119
but well, no, I think everyone. I think people want Yeah,

1384
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:22,600
I know that there is a weird thing that everyone

1385
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,680
wants to go WrestleMania, which I think is stupid. But

1386
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:31,640
I think the because like especially because it's not like

1387
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,560
you're not going to be at WrestleMania. Yeah, like you're

1388
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,760
going to beat WrestleMania. We know that, So just act

1389
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,680
like you are going to be a WrestleMania. The idea

1390
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,000
is that you want to be in the main event

1391
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:40,520
of WrestleMania, and you want to be in the main

1392
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,000
event to win and not and you want to be

1393
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:46,800
in the main event going for the gold. That's that's

1394
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,960
what the Royal Rumbles about. Yeah, the Royal Rumble is

1395
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,800
is and the fact that you know, the fact that

1396
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,000
it's not happening is stupid. I don't like when they

1397
01:13:57,039 --> 01:13:59,640
have someone win the Rumble who is not going to

1398
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,039
even though I don't want, I didn't want seeing it

1399
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:05,399
to win a third Rumble because I like Austin having

1400
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:10,800
that that that that record. I still think I still

1401
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,520
think he should not have he should have won it.

1402
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,439
I mean, I know storyline purposes, it wouldn't have worked,

1403
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:18,479
but I still think you should have won it, Yeah,

1404
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,159
and because you know it'd be one.

1405
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:22,159
Speaker 1: Thing if Jay vers Guntu was going to be Night

1406
01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:24,720
one main event, right and you were trying to actually

1407
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,439
make a straight faced case that both world titles are

1408
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,319
on equal footing. But if you're not even going to

1409
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:31,920
put that as the main event of Night one, what

1410
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:34,760
you know, who's Who's Who's shitn't who here?

1411
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 2: And and honestly too, like the Sampunk doesn't want a

1412
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,119
main event WrestleMania. He wants to be in a world

1413
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:40,359
title match with the main event Wrestleman.

1414
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: Everybody knows what Sampunk wants was to win the Rumble

1415
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:44,479
and then he wants to beat the top guy in

1416
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,479
the company wrestle Everyone knows that to be in the

1417
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,439
main event WrestleMania, it means you're in a world title

1418
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,159
match one on one. That's what being in the main

1419
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:53,199
event wrestlemanium could be a triple threat. But you know

1420
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,720
what I mean, right right? See if we know what

1421
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,279
it is, and you know what, it's not Sean Michael's undertaker. Sorry,

1422
01:14:59,319 --> 01:15:01,159
that's not the main event WrestleMania, even though it went

1423
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:03,039
on last Like to me, that never is the case.

1424
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,319
Speaker 2: It's just so I don't again. The idea is that

1425
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:10,199
the champions supposed to be defending their titles on a

1426
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,439
regular basis, again thirty day things, so they have to

1427
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,399
defend the title, and so they have to defend him

1428
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:19,960
a certain point. I don't know. I mean, listen, I

1429
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:22,800
I appreciate your your opinion. It's wrong, but that's the

1430
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,640
way it is. You know.

1431
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,079
Speaker 1: I'm revising my stance on Chamber in a way because

1432
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,039
I'm seeing how much they're struggling to keep the scene

1433
01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:33,560
of thing hot between Chamber and Mania. If they did

1434
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,199
this at Rumble, oh my god, they would, they would.

1435
01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:38,279
They would go stir crazy trying to find ways to

1436
01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:39,520
extend this thing for two months.

1437
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I listen, I don't that's because they put

1438
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,239
him on TV. Well we know what the solution is.

1439
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:46,920
But yeah, they're not going to do the most interesting

1440
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,600
thing about it was the fact that he wasn't on TV.

1441
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,039
That's what were talking that he wasn't on TV. Don't

1442
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:53,880
put him on TV.

1443
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,239
Speaker 1: They're they're almost like a discipline in the booking office.

1444
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:01,039
Do less, do less, do less. Like as you're laying

1445
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:03,079
out an idea, right like, and as you lay it

1446
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:05,359
all out, Okay, give us give me the full pitch. Okay,

1447
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:08,279
do less, do less, do, keep keep going until all

1448
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,159
you're doing is what's absolutely necessary to get the angle across.

1449
01:16:12,399 --> 01:16:16,239
Because that's that's the that's your essence right there, you know,

1450
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,640
that's your essence. When you gussie it up beyond that,

1451
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,800
like you're just making pro wrestling way more complicated than

1452
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,600
it needs to be. And the fans don't appreciate that.

1453
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,800
There's some because they need something to write about every

1454
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,359
week or tweet about that, that like that. But for

1455
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:31,319
the most part, it is like so suboptimal. It's like

1456
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,600
the reason for a match has got to be a

1457
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,199
sentence or two and that's it. Yeah, And you can't

1458
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:40,680
be can't be booking a match, you know, with with

1459
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,199
thirty minute monologues in mind for seven eight straight weeks,

1460
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:44,600
you know.

1461
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I know exactly like you know, I

1462
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,359
mean again, you know you think about too WrestleMania is

1463
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:53,119
of old, and I know it's a different day and age,

1464
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:55,680
and I know you can't follow the same format, but

1465
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,680
think about even a WrestleMania eight, like you know, half

1466
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,119
the shit that was that that would that would create

1467
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:07,039
feuds and drama happened not on this not on the screen. Yes,

1468
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:12,199
you know, like all all the Flair shit happened via

1469
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:17,880
like promos, off site, off site promos and the fucking.

1470
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,239
Speaker 1: Magazine like they used them a point. Show me, show me,

1471
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,119
I'm sure it happened. I'm not saying like, if you

1472
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,079
show me, I'm I'm wrong here, because I'm sure there

1473
01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:30,079
was moments. But you know, show me Randy Savage and

1474
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:33,039
Rick Flair face to face in the same ring before WrestleMania.

1475
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:35,159
Show me Hulk Hogan and Sid face to face in

1476
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:37,760
the same ring before WrestleMania. No, not, No, didn't have

1477
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,560
this idea that you have to have a wrap battle

1478
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,319
with your pay per view opponent every single time is

1479
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:46,560
so wrong, especially in a social media age where these

1480
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,399
guys could keep things alive round the clock and they report,

1481
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,439
they report to television to do whatever the promotion has

1482
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,319
for them that night. I mean, I mean it would

1483
01:17:56,319 --> 01:17:59,319
have been you know, would have been great, like like

1484
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,239
to to you, you know, you know, in a weird way,

1485
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:06,119
you know, would have been great to have like dood

1486
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:07,920
b cameras. I don't know where Sina was, I don't

1487
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,520
know if he was filming a movie or not, but

1488
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,359
like to kind of be wherever he was and trying

1489
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:11,960
to get a word with.

1490
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: Him, and he doesn't. He doesn't take it like you

1491
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,960
get like that. To me, that would be the only

1492
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:18,960
thing to have him on TV is to have like

1493
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,279
you know, like they're trying to get on a film

1494
01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:25,239
set and the security is not letting them come on.

1495
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,960
Say you know, mister Sena has said no one's allowed

1496
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,800
to be on set, and yet you see him kind

1497
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,279
of walk by in the background. They do a quick

1498
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:34,000
zoom in and you see like a very very quick

1499
01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:36,680
thing that that would have been great. I don't know,

1500
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,039
that's hard to come up with.

1501
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: It took us like fifteen minutes. Yeah, here's how your detox.

1502
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:46,000
You set a soft rule that this is going to

1503
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,239
be the year where our main eventors never come to

1504
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:53,359
blows ahead of the match and they never even really

1505
01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:55,600
cross paths with each other. It doesn't mean that they're

1506
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,039
it doesn't mean one party is absent from TV, but

1507
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:01,680
we just have to get career creative about keeping the

1508
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,439
tension boiling outside of the four walls of the of

1509
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,960
the arena where raw happens to be that week. Yeah,

1510
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,239
and I know that that's kind of it. What it

1511
01:19:09,279 --> 01:19:12,199
does is it kind of dilutes why people buy tickets

1512
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:14,359
to see raw, to see all these stars. I know that,

1513
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,880
but I feel like, but you're not seeing But listen,

1514
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:18,399
you're not.

1515
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: You're not. You're not You're not. If you're buying tickets

1516
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:26,760
to see John Cena every week, I mean you're not anymore.

1517
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,960
That's those days are gone, Yeah, very much. So you're

1518
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,840
not buying those those tickets. You're not buying tickets to

1519
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,399
see Roman Reigns every single week. You know you don't

1520
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,239
or I'll say this, Uh, even though they're not on

1521
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:39,479
every week, people still buy tickets to go. So there's

1522
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,319
something there. There's something that people. You know, people want

1523
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:44,439
to buy tickets and people want to see Cody Rose,

1524
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,479
people want to see uh Jay Uso. They want to

1525
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,399
see all these other clowns and and and it's like,

1526
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,319
you know, you still have that, but you can still

1527
01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:58,520
play the you know, the anticipation of it sometimes. Like

1528
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,760
for me, when I was a kid, part of the

1529
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,680
reason I wanted to make sure that I was watching

1530
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,840
wrestling whenever it was on was because maybe Hulk Cogan

1531
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:10,800
will be on this time.

1532
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: Yep, that's why. And you weren't it wasn't, like you

1533
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,319
weren't it turned off if he wasn't.

1534
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: No, no, But it's like, maybe he's going to show

1535
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,039
up this time. Maybe he'll be on Superstars or Challenge.

1536
01:20:24,079 --> 01:20:28,359
Maybe he will wrestle a fucking jobber. Never did, probably

1537
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:30,720
never would. But you know that was kind of the

1538
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,560
you know, that was the thing that that maybe he would.

1539
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:40,560
And I think that is a good thing you're paying for,

1540
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,840
maybe him coming someone coming out, maybe seeing something interesting.

1541
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:52,079
You know, that's that's I mean, that is certainly a

1542
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:56,399
lost thing. You know that that is a another something

1543
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,479
that used to be better that that I don't you know, we,

1544
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,760
if I'm being completely honest, was destroyed because of the

1545
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,600
Attitude era and the Money Night Wars. I mean that's

1546
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,039
the thing. You know. As exciting as they were, the

1547
01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:18,960
Money Night Wars in many ways ruined the simplicity of wrestling. Yeah,

1548
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:25,359
and because now you can't have a television show so

1549
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,399
true without all main event caliber matches and a bunch

1550
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:32,840
of showdowns and this and that. And that's why Russo

1551
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,159
caught such fire for them at that time is because

1552
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:38,079
he was writing it with no regard for that. He

1553
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:40,520
was writing it like you would write a television show

1554
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,920
designed to have peaks and valleys and beginning, middle, and

1555
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,800
end in one episode. Yep, yep.

1556
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: And when you do that, you really do sacrifice. You

1557
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:54,159
really do kind of elevate expectations in the fans mind

1558
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,880
such that you know, you're kind of you're kind of

1559
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,560
fucked if you want to take your foot off the gas,

1560
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,119
which is necessary to make people want something, you know,

1561
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:05,000
but it feels like a sacrifice every time you take

1562
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:08,600
a break and let let let a guy cool off

1563
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,279
a little bit, or let the fans cool off on

1564
01:22:10,399 --> 01:22:13,880
expecting something from them every week. I don't know, it's

1565
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,720
just this is all what we've always been saying. The

1566
01:22:17,279 --> 01:22:19,079
reason it used to be better is because it can't

1567
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:21,520
be the way it used to be. It's not because

1568
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,840
people are failing to make it the way I remember it.

1569
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,800
It's because the structure that they operated in in the

1570
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,279
past was superior. It led to a superior enjoyment of wrestling,

1571
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:32,680
a deeper enjoyment of wrestling because they didn't have the

1572
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,000
pressures they have today. You know, as much as you say,

1573
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:37,720
you know they get guaranteed money. Yeah, that's all well

1574
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,119
and good, but they still have to make everything a

1575
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:45,039
fucking super spectacular all the time. And that's not that's

1576
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:48,279
not what leaves you remembering things. Everything bleeds together when

1577
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:50,880
everything is fucking epic like that. Yes, you know, if

1578
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,760
you have like if every month on Raw there's like

1579
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,720
a thirty minute classic, or every week on Dynamite there's

1580
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,000
a thirty five minute four star match, I'm sorry, I

1581
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,439
think we all know. All that does is make four

1582
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,199
star matches mean less. That's all it does. Exactly credit

1583
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:05,560
to the guys that can pull that off. But we

1584
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,520
know better. We know that two or three of those

1585
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,920
a year is optimal, not not two or three a month.

1586
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least you know, if you're gonna go

1587
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,119
if you need to have something, you have, have one

1588
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,439
of those. You know, have one crazy ass match per

1589
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:22,000
pay per view. That's fine, Sure that can be a slot. Yeah,

1590
01:23:22,039 --> 01:23:24,039
but that's the idea is that you do you have

1591
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:27,119
those good matches, you have those epics. At a certain point,

1592
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:29,439
you don't make it so that it's the identity of

1593
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:34,119
all the time, you know, And again it was done

1594
01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:38,079
out of necessity because of the of the competition. I

1595
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:41,680
understand that you're trying to you know, ratings and stuff

1596
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,520
like that, but it just it it ruined. It ruined

1597
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,720
the wrestling like kind of the simplicity of wrestling, because

1598
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:54,119
you could have you know, think about all the if

1599
01:23:54,119 --> 01:23:56,279
you think about all the matches like a WrestleMania eight,

1600
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,880
the one that had the most kind of dramatic and

1601
01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:04,520
over the top storytelling was Savage and Flair the magazine

1602
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,560
And you know, maybe it needed it. It might have

1603
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,800
needed it because on paper it might not necessarily have

1604
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,439
looked like a crazy ass, you know, big selling feud,

1605
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,840
and I I would argue that it was that and

1606
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,479
then them having a kick ass match at WrestleMania that

1607
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,159
made that feud more interesting and be able to last

1608
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:32,119
throughout the summer, you know. And but yeah, like just

1609
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:36,760
you know, less is more, even in wrestling, less is more. Yeah,

1610
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,520
I mean, so it's a lost thing.

1611
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,319
Speaker 1: And we're getting these promos and they're great promos, but

1612
01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:44,279
there are too many of them. There are too many,

1613
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:47,479
like there's too much of a reliance on like did.

1614
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:49,119
Speaker 2: You hear what he said? Oh he was supposed to

1615
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:51,840
say that, Like like like how how cool would it

1616
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,239
have been if you think if like throughout this whole thing,

1617
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,199
like Cody comes out a couple of times, and he's

1618
01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:03,039
promised seeing to see to know shows and then Cody's like,

1619
01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:05,039
you know what, then I'm gonna I'm gonna take my

1620
01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:07,680
time and I'm gonna fucking train. I'm gonna do something

1621
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,439
so that I'm ready for anything John Cena can give me.

1622
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:12,960
And so he goes off TV. I'm like, you simply

1623
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,520
get the cameras are like following him around wherever he is,

1624
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,119
whether he's working out, whether he's at home, whatever, and

1625
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:21,079
he's doing you know, he can say something to uh

1626
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:22,640
to John Scena that way, but.

1627
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,359
Speaker 1: Instead they have to take the mic every week and

1628
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,399
start with something like the year was two thousand and nine, right,

1629
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,520
And a lot of people don't know this, but I

1630
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,119
looked up stop stop, do you want to win? Why

1631
01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:34,920
do you want to win? How are you gonna win?

1632
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: Right? That's your true north. Not it's not a biography

1633
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,920
every time, it's not an A and E biography special rights.

1634
01:25:43,039 --> 01:25:43,880
There is a place for that.

1635
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,359
Speaker 1: I feel like when UFC was really rocking and rolling,

1636
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:48,319
their countdown shows were excellent at that. They take the

1637
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:50,399
main event and even if they told the story before,

1638
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,920
because the guys you may invented several shows, they would

1639
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,600
tell you their whole story and how the story leads

1640
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,960
to this fight, and how this fight it represents kind

1641
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,319
of like an intersection of of these two guys stories,

1642
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,159
and that's that's the format for that when you're really

1643
01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:07,680
sitting down to try to add depth and history and

1644
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,960
context to your match. But you don't do that in arena.

1645
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,880
You don't do that face to face on the microphone. Right,

1646
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,199
that's just kind of goofy to me at a certain point.

1647
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:17,800
I mean, I can enjoy it. I'm not saying it's

1648
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,159
bad television. And the guys, some of these guys are

1649
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:21,960
wonderful promos. We're kind of in a golden age of

1650
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,279
that talking. But that's kind of my point. When we're

1651
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:27,039
not in the golden hage of talking, it's going to

1652
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:29,079
be a tough look, you know, like, yeah, all of

1653
01:26:29,079 --> 01:26:31,479
a sudden, people that can't carry on in a thirty

1654
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,640
minute like fucking history lesson, can't main event.

1655
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,159
Speaker 2: That's stupid.

1656
01:26:35,279 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 1: Think how many big money players you would have boxed

1657
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,399
out if that was a hard and fast rule. So yeah,

1658
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,720
Ben Buck, thank you very much for that big contribution.

1659
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,199
We deeply appreciate it. Seemed to you esc we love it.

1660
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,159
Darren McAlpine, thank you very much for your support. On Patreon,

1661
01:26:49,319 --> 01:26:51,119
we talked a little bit on the Colisseum video collection

1662
01:26:51,119 --> 01:26:53,199
about how Bruno s and Maartino once talked about being

1663
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:56,399
booked against Hulk Cogan and Wheeling West Virginia in nineteen

1664
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,880
eighty five or eighty six, shortly after he made his comeback.

1665
01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:01,720
A lot of folks looked in that Forrest Connor writes, Hi, guys,

1666
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,560
first time, long time. I was listening to the latest

1667
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,720
episode and heard the Bruno audio clip about facing Hogan

1668
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,680
and how Hogan ducked him and Sergeant Slaughter ended up

1669
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,800
taking his place in Willing, West Virginia. I looked on

1670
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,079
Cage Match. The only time Bruno wrestled Slaughter and Wheeling

1671
01:27:12,319 --> 01:27:14,399
was on March eight eighty one, which of course was

1672
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,079
before Hogan came in in fact perk Cage Match, well

1673
01:27:18,079 --> 01:27:20,000
not before he came in, but before he was read

1674
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,479
and yellow in fact perk Caage Match. On the wrestled

1675
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:26,199
three matches and Willing in his career. Connor rights of Bruno.

1676
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,880
Hogan was working in Japan from March sixth to the

1677
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,800
eleventh that year. So as funny as the idea of

1678
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,840
Hogan ducking a match with Bruno, as it looks like

1679
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,079
that isn't true. It also appears that this match, if

1680
01:27:35,079 --> 01:27:36,880
it was considered, would have been when Hogan was still

1681
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,239
a heel, which makes sense to me. Yeah, I did

1682
01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:42,359
kind of take Bruno's remarks in that shoot interview as

1683
01:27:42,359 --> 01:27:47,079
saying it was during Hogan's run as world champion. Yeah,

1684
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:50,039
but I guess we can't necessarily disqualify that he was

1685
01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:53,159
actually thinking about before Hogan was the made man, before

1686
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:53,600
he be four.

1687
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: That is true.

1688
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 1: That is not sure he really delineated that. But the

1689
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,600
context that they were talking in when that question was

1690
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,279
pose was what did you think of, you know, the

1691
01:28:02,319 --> 01:28:05,039
company turning the whole, all the keys over to Hulkogan

1692
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,600
And that's when he said that. So it's kind of weird.

1693
01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:12,800
Mike says, first off, this is a good one, Okay,

1694
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,720
sick with us. First off, still sucking on Musk's tit

1695
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,239
while begging for money. Remember when you didn't care if

1696
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:21,680
anyone listened, then cared if they paid money. Whoores like lapsed?

1697
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,640
Vince loves at least acknowledge you were horrors. At least

1698
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,600
JP is talented with his caricatures.

1699
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: I can.

1700
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,239
Speaker 1: I can read other people's actual research. It's not a

1701
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:35,159
skill anyways. Listen to edges reaction today, aw grand slam.

1702
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:36,800
There was still real emotion, even if it is an

1703
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,119
old school heat. I'm giving you shit. I love your

1704
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:46,039
college level podcast. That's what's what's even better is being

1705
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:51,319
able to assume the form and manner and speech of

1706
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:54,880
a detractor. Right, Yes, that's the key. That's the key is.

1707
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,159
Speaker 2: When absolutely that is the key.

1708
01:28:57,239 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: When you because it lays bare, how basic and thin

1709
01:29:01,079 --> 01:29:04,039
the critique is when somebody who doesn't even believe it

1710
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:09,399
can convincingly convey it, you know, it's like, okay, that's

1711
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,920
it's not complicated to just be a contrarian. It's actually

1712
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,239
quite easy and easy to mock as well. By the way, Yeah,

1713
01:29:17,079 --> 01:29:20,479
Sam Wrights where I'm from, the lapsed fan always plays

1714
01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:25,199
I like that line, Carlos says, shout out Stravinsky, very

1715
01:29:25,239 --> 01:29:27,920
apropos regarding Lynch. Twin Peaks is a rite of spring.

1716
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:31,359
The co chairs have a very sharp blade to discern

1717
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:35,000
the pretentious s thet from the mad genius. You're goddamn right, Carlo,

1718
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:37,560
I want to say that again, and don't you fucking

1719
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,680
forget it. If you're within the sound of our voice.

1720
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,199
The co chairs have a very sharp blade to discern

1721
01:29:43,359 --> 01:29:46,439
the pretentious s thete from the mad genius.

1722
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 2: That's the sound of a sharp blade.

1723
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Very good, very very exceptional judges of character around here. Yes,

1724
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,520
and we're not going to let anybody get away with

1725
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,479
carrying themselves like a mad genius without us deciding they've

1726
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,359
earned it. I'm really glad, he says, David Lynch fell

1727
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:07,920
in their favor. Give us an open question. You're you're

1728
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,359
hearing this from the Solar system. When it came to

1729
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,119
diving into Lynch, they didn't know if we'd like him, boss.

1730
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,159
Speaker 2: I know. I mean listen, I I I wasn't sure

1731
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:17,359
because you know, again, I don't. I don't necessarily, like

1732
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:19,960
I said, I don't necessarily like his movies. Uh for

1733
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,800
the most part, I I they they don't. They don't

1734
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,760
for me. They don't mesh with the actual individual all

1735
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,439
the time. Oh and we well they do. It just

1736
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,039
takes a long time, right right, But like it's like

1737
01:30:31,079 --> 01:30:34,960
a it's a it doesn't necessarily like you know, it isn't.

1738
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,920
It's not obvious, it's not all you know, And no

1739
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:42,039
he's just you know, and the stories you hear about him,

1740
01:30:42,039 --> 01:30:47,960
he's just such a genuine, a genuine, fascinating human being.

1741
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:50,760
Was because he's you know, dead.

1742
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we have to use the correct tense. I mean,

1743
01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:55,640
that's why we're that's why we're here after all, that's

1744
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,479
why we decided to pay tribute in a lot of ways.

1745
01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:02,960
That's right, and I think that's that's a point very

1746
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,960
well taken. He says, I'm really glad David Lynch fell

1747
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,159
in their favor. Could have gone either way, that's true. Yep,

1748
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:10,960
could have been either.

1749
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 2: He could have he could have he could have come

1750
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:16,720
across like a complete douche, you know, But he's just

1751
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:22,279
he's too genuine, honestly. That That's that's what's about. That's

1752
01:31:22,319 --> 01:31:24,479
what makes him stand out. He is so genuine.

1753
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,239
Speaker 1: At the time it aired on TV, he says, there

1754
01:31:27,279 --> 01:31:30,359
was equal applause and derision in my house for sure. Yeah,

1755
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:32,800
we can't discount like as much as where to looking

1756
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,399
back and retrospect it at Lynch and Tree Peaks, there

1757
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:38,199
are people who lived through it who remember just how

1758
01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:42,479
kind of polarizing his style was on mainstream and television

1759
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:42,720
like that.

1760
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: Of course, no question.

1761
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,520
Speaker 1: Rob writes, Terry Funk is too wonderful? What David Lynch

1762
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:48,560
is too incredible?

1763
01:31:49,039 --> 01:31:49,279
Speaker 2: Mmm?

1764
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:54,199
Speaker 1: Rob Or Luthernoli writes, Hello, gentlemen, I hope this note

1765
01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:56,600
finds you well. I just learned that Quentin Tarantinos Once

1766
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,239
upon a Time in Hollywood qualifies for under the Cinemat.

1767
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: Which one was it? Once upon a Time in Hollywood?

1768
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:04,960
Oh yeah, yeah, I knew that that one's on the list,

1769
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:07,439
but he can tell me.

1770
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:11,119
Speaker 1: He says that Wikipedia explains why Booth is inspired by

1771
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:14,319
Gary Kent, a stuntman for a film made it the

1772
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,159
Spawn Ranch while the Manson family lived.

1773
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:22,560
Speaker 2: There, and and he's it's also partially, supposedly partially based

1774
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:29,560
on Judo Jene Bell. It's based on him partially. The

1775
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,079
character is partially based on Jean Le Bell. And there's

1776
01:32:33,119 --> 01:32:34,479
another connection, yeah.

1777
01:32:34,359 --> 01:32:36,399
Speaker 1: Says here as well as stuntman professional wrestling two times

1778
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:37,319
Judo jam Jean the Bell.

1779
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Well, there's another connection as well, and that is the

1780
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:47,760
fact that Jungle Boy was a PA. He was for real, Yes,

1781
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:52,680
he was that he because his dad was in the

1782
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:57,680
movie what's his name? Oh my god, Luke Perry, Yeah,

1783
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,439
Luke Perry and Prairies in the movie great movie too,

1784
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:00,840
Is it.

1785
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: Really Oh my god, we'll that'll have to go, that'll

1786
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:04,960
have to go into the cinemat for sure.

1787
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's been on the

1788
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:08,640
list for a while. It's I'm I'm I'm waiting for

1789
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:13,119
a real uh you know it's gonna be it's a doozy.

1790
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:20,399
It's yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting it'll happen.

1791
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Though that the conclusion of the Twin Peaks journey, Jerome

1792
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,880
makes a great point. He says, what other wrestling podcasts,

1793
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,319
what have the willingness to do something like this? I

1794
01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:29,039
think one of the biggest issues people in the bubble

1795
01:33:29,079 --> 01:33:31,399
have is never leaving their bubble and absorbing other forms

1796
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:34,279
of art. The Chairman hero willing to sit through borderline

1797
01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:37,239
experimental short films, and one of the weirdest filmmakers ever.

1798
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,079
I think watching the movies and shows really enhance Jack

1799
01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:42,600
and JP because they're not just focusing on wrestling. Am

1800
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:43,800
I the biggest Lynch fan either?

1801
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 3: Know?

1802
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,359
Speaker 1: Am I glad this weirdo got to make a number

1803
01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:48,960
of movies and shows. Yes, this is a unique, one

1804
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,039
of a kind journey that no other wrestling podcast would

1805
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:54,720
even consider this is how they all earn my Patreon dollar.

1806
01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:59,079
Mm hm put it on a fucking headstone, man, I mean,

1807
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:02,000
that's the bottom line. Josho had that very thought provoking

1808
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:04,800
email about Barth and stuff that we read in a moment.

1809
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:12,000
Ago also did the following, gentlemen, Well, my current situation

1810
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:15,000
only allows for a modest pledge to the Patreon and

1811
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:19,000
my dad will ever reach at one K club. It's fine, pal, See,

1812
01:34:19,039 --> 01:34:20,520
I'm going through a lot of shit right now. Most

1813
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,640
days of late have been more lapsed to Barnett than anything.

1814
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,479
But after seeing Hogan's reception on Netflix, and after the

1815
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,560
momentary thought that Jack's Skinner theme was somehow on Netflix raw,

1816
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,239
I smiled, I have faith in wrestling fans again, just

1817
01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:33,079
a little bit. Then I figured, what would lapsed Vince do?

1818
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,720
Inspired by what I am calling the varied Vienna voyages

1819
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,520
of softball, said Uty, I sent hel Hogan a twenty

1820
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:47,239
pack of roll ups. I have the receipt right here.

1821
01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:47,720
He sent it.

1822
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,119
Speaker 2: He sent it to Hogan's beach shop. Oh my god.

1823
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,199
Speaker 1: Figured, you know, the boys need their candy, and it's

1824
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:55,520
not like Hogan hasn't accepted shipped candy before.

1825
01:34:57,199 --> 01:34:57,600
Speaker 2: Good mind.

1826
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,560
Speaker 1: Not sure if he had someone's signed for it, but

1827
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,359
would love to see the reaction. But I'm pretty sure

1828
01:35:02,359 --> 01:35:04,399
we all know how it'd go. I think I'll get

1829
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:06,840
an autograph picture. God, I hope not unless it's the

1830
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:08,880
look on his face upon opening and reading the note.

1831
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,000
There it is proof of delivery, Betty Crocker Fruit roll

1832
01:35:12,079 --> 01:35:15,800
Ups variety pack delivered right to the Hulkster. Wow, I'm

1833
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,560
sure he was concerned. Jordie Angus, thank you very much

1834
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,159
for that executive producer pledge. We appreciate it. Matthew Folk

1835
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:24,680
to welcome very thank you very much, and welcome to

1836
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,039
the inner Circle. Let's see, Matt writes to us to

1837
01:35:28,079 --> 01:35:30,680
your co chairs, well you got me.

1838
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 2: That's a shirt.

1839
01:35:34,079 --> 01:35:38,199
Speaker 1: After many years of plundering my puckered and prolapsed poop shoot,

1840
01:35:38,199 --> 01:35:40,039
I've decided the time has come to pay you for

1841
01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:40,840
such a circuit.

1842
01:35:41,319 --> 01:35:45,079
Speaker 2: Puckered and prolapsed poop poop shoot and got it. That's

1843
01:35:45,079 --> 01:35:47,239
a lot of alliteration. I mean, shooting broke exactly. How

1844
01:35:47,239 --> 01:35:49,840
do you spell shoot? Brother? What? That's not how you

1845
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,439
spell shoot? Dude? What you're trying to work me over? Brother?

1846
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 1: You're trying to avoid detection by Ai.

1847
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 2: Brother. Why brother, what are you doing? Dude?

1848
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: Do you know that I systematically scrape emails for the saho.

1849
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 2: You where dude? That brother? You don't? Brother, I know

1850
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:10,319
what a shoot is, dude. Right, so we're talking about

1851
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,239
Bamba bad were shooting? Brother?

1852
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Shoot you behind my back like you're obliged to say

1853
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:18,079
it to him?

1854
01:36:18,399 --> 01:36:19,319
Speaker 2: Right, right? Right.

1855
01:36:19,399 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 1: I cannot remember exactly when I first started listening to you.

1856
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,439
I am only certain that the first time you had

1857
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,399
me doubled over in pain from laughing was the debut

1858
01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:28,600
of Hulk La Orange. The rest is, they say, is history.

1859
01:36:29,079 --> 01:36:31,600
My earliest memories of watching wrestling involved sneaking downstairs in

1860
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,279
the wee hours to greet my dad after he had

1861
01:36:33,279 --> 01:36:35,159
been on the road all week as a lorry driver,

1862
01:36:35,239 --> 01:36:37,479
truck driver if Here and Trump Land. I distinctly remember

1863
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,319
getting comfortable with him on the couch and both falling

1864
01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:41,760
asleep to the vision of Yo Kazuna sitting on Brettart's face.

1865
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,840
After my parents' divorce, I continued watching throughout the Attitude era,

1866
01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:47,640
only one minute around the corner with my new step siblings. Seriously,

1867
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,399
my dad moved six houses away. Weird, right, We would

1868
01:36:50,399 --> 01:36:53,239
often pile on to a friends trampoline and wrestle, acting

1869
01:36:53,239 --> 01:36:55,159
out what we had seen on the TV. After all,

1870
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:57,000
it's not like there were any warnings to not try

1871
01:36:57,039 --> 01:36:59,920
this at home. Right this is where I had my accident.

1872
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,319
Around eight of us had climbed to the trampoline no net,

1873
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,439
and we were acting out our NWOWWF fantasies. I'm not

1874
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,039
sure exactly how it had happened, but I was on

1875
01:37:08,119 --> 01:37:10,880
my back, as often being the smallest, getting ready for

1876
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,039
my big comeback and hot tag. I leaped back up

1877
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:15,199
to my feet, ready to power bomba motherfucker, but instead

1878
01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:18,600
became the victim of en ring miscommunication. My opponent and

1879
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,760
an apparent bid to get his shit in, came down

1880
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,079
on me for his favorite frog splash. There was a

1881
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:25,359
white flash and a sting of pain in the top

1882
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:27,399
of my head as we both found ourselves on the

1883
01:37:27,399 --> 01:37:30,159
patio floor. I placed my hand upon the top of

1884
01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:33,319
my head to feel a hard alien protrusion and could

1885
01:37:33,359 --> 01:37:35,760
see my opponent sat sobbing with his hands covering his

1886
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,720
mouth as blood trickled down his chin. Upon reflection, my

1887
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,680
opponent was a bit of a shoot bully and still

1888
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,960
to this day. I get a sense of grim satisfaction

1889
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,359
at this memory. As I came to I came to

1890
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:47,239
the realization that he had bitten my head and the

1891
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:49,520
confusion as we tumbled off the trampoline and left his

1892
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:55,720
front tooth embedded in my head. His tooth is stuck

1893
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,199
in his head. I came away from this experience with

1894
01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:01,479
well earned respect from the boys in the locker room,

1895
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,960
and after having my head glued back together, quickly returned

1896
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,000
to action. And the following years my interest in wrestling

1897
01:38:06,079 --> 01:38:07,920
was up and down. I remember looking in on Booker t,

1898
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,159
appearing on Raw and the Invasion Cinemania, discovering TNA on

1899
01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:13,560
UK TV, and then Cmpunk. It was Punk that led

1900
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,600
me to seeking out ROH than PWG and NJPW. My

1901
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,039
wrestling net had now been cast wide. My girlfriend now

1902
01:38:20,039 --> 01:38:22,000
wife at the time, soon discovered my interest in wrestling,

1903
01:38:22,039 --> 01:38:24,640
despite my best efforts to keep it my shameful secret.

1904
01:38:25,319 --> 01:38:28,000
Slowly but surely I introduced her to Choice New Japan matches. Oh,

1905
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:31,439
this is this is not the move Matt to Choice

1906
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,159
New Japan matches. See this is different. This is like

1907
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:39,279
serious wrestling, closer to a sport. And we began to

1908
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:41,039
watch and enjoy Luca Underground together.

1909
01:38:41,079 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.

1910
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,119
Speaker 1: We both loved Prince Pumah, the Lucha Brothers and the

1911
01:38:44,119 --> 01:38:46,520
Bullet Club. This led to us being diehard aw Marx

1912
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,039
since its inception, as it featured all our favorites, dropping

1913
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:51,199
off briefly around the birth of our daughter. We attended

1914
01:38:51,239 --> 01:38:52,800
all in Wembley and had a blast, but I must

1915
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,800
admit we are now a year behind on TV. We

1916
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,479
have a few other hobbies and shows who'd like to watch,

1917
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,840
and although I keep up with wrestling news, watching aw

1918
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,920
TV is just unfortunately the bottom of the list. Anyway,

1919
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,039
I've now subscribed to you on Patreon as the sound

1920
01:39:04,039 --> 01:39:08,159
of Fritz trying to open windows. I guess I sort

1921
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:10,239
of have a tentative request. Would you ever be up

1922
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:14,600
for charting the history of the NWA World Heavyweight title

1923
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:18,520
post ecw Oh my god, that's such a rotten idea.

1924
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:22,399
Who I believe it may be a glorious indie rific

1925
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,960
shit show. Yours and payment, Shane, and thank you for me.

1926
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:31,880
I mean that's bad. I mean we're talking unflattering situations.

1927
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 2: That's just yeah. I mean, it's never had a glorious

1928
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,479
period since no, I mean really, since WW dropped it

1929
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:43,760
such a bad idea.

1930
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, though it's funny, it's a funny idea.

1931
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:47,760
But I don't know, man, I don't know if we

1932
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,800
have the stomach for that. I mean, there's going to

1933
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:52,399
be a way one of these days. I'm just gonna

1934
01:39:52,399 --> 01:39:54,119
say it, there's going to be away one of these days.

1935
01:39:54,199 --> 01:39:55,760
If you want to really make it happen, you'll be

1936
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:59,880
able to. But be fucking careful, be very careful. The

1937
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,199
the sound of Fret's opening windows just became an eight

1938
01:40:03,319 --> 01:40:07,479
eight eight pound pledgure. Thank you so very much, DP,

1939
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,960
thanks very much for the pledge. Michael Tremarco, thank you

1940
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,319
for boosting your contribution to your co chairs. Sean wants

1941
01:40:14,359 --> 01:40:16,119
us know that Bruno is all about the man of

1942
01:40:16,199 --> 01:40:17,760
the community restaurant eater.

1943
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely.

1944
01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: When he had an interview on Jericho's podcast, Bruno insisted

1945
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,920
that it would take place over dinner at an Italian

1946
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,119
restaurant because it's not all about food.

1947
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 2: Listen, I have no doubt, yes that for Bruno San Martino,

1948
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:44,479
it wasn't real food unless it was Italian. Absolutely all right.

1949
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:51,640
The SECONDI yeah, I'm not saying he didn't have other foods,

1950
01:40:52,199 --> 01:40:57,000
but he would only do it out of like you

1951
01:40:57,039 --> 01:41:01,039
know somebody else, right, politeness, somebody. You know, if someone

1952
01:41:01,079 --> 01:41:03,439
invited out to dinner and they went to you know,

1953
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,439
like some other but no, no, no, listen, ninety percent of

1954
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:14,479
the time he's eating Italian. Yep. It's like I imagine

1955
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:19,000
I imagine that that his kitchen was just lined with

1956
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:24,560
hanging spaghetti all right, just drying. It was brand you know,

1957
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:32,560
fresh fresh spaghetti, just drying on racks around his fucking kitchen.

1958
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,479
Like pretty much. I'd say, I would say every morning,

1959
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,079
like first thing was he would make he would make

1960
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:44,039
a a. You know, he'd make pasta. Do, let's do

1961
01:41:44,079 --> 01:41:46,680
it every morning, make pasta do and he just kind

1962
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,880
of do it. And then he'd make his pasta and

1963
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:50,439
he just drape it over there. You know it's going

1964
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:52,239
to be eaten at some point in a couple of days,

1965
01:41:52,279 --> 01:41:54,520
without a doubt, right, the longest couple of days. So

1966
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,760
he's always he's always got fresh pasta in the house, right,

1967
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,319
And then you know, and then he's like every Sunday,

1968
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:06,119
you know, every Sunday he's got Every Sunday he makes

1969
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:11,880
a giant vat of sauce, of sauce, of gravy, all right,

1970
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,039
like and and then listen, he puts it in and

1971
01:42:14,039 --> 01:42:15,560
he puts it in containers, and he puts it in

1972
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,880
the freezer, you know, like he's it's ready, it's ready

1973
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,680
to go at a moment's notice. Like he's probably Bruno,

1974
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,960
Sam Martino. Okay, listen to this. This is what it was.

1975
01:42:25,239 --> 01:42:29,199
He had a garage freezer that was specifically for sauce,

1976
01:42:29,319 --> 01:42:33,199
no question, all right, and he just had just you know,

1977
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:36,640
as much as he would put in there, he would

1978
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,439
take out at some point during the week, all right.

1979
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:45,840
That's it. He just always loads of sauce. Just what

1980
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:47,359
he had to do. Like everything. It's like it's like

1981
01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:49,960
it's like a it's a requirement to get the week gone.

1982
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:51,840
You know, you're gonna make the pasta in the morning

1983
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:58,479
and then you gonna make sauce every Sunday. I'm hungry's

1984
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:00,000
fucking go, let's go to Bruno's house.

1985
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,319
Speaker 1: It's like that video of him like having like a

1986
01:43:03,359 --> 01:43:05,960
thirty five minute meal with a bunch of other hangers

1987
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,520
on and suits and yeah, just clang in the forks

1988
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,319
and everyone's just kind of sitting there waiting for him

1989
01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:13,319
to say something so they can laugh at what he said.

1990
01:43:13,399 --> 01:43:15,840
And you know, I mean he's he's running the whole table.

1991
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:17,720
And that's that's a big part of it for Bruno.

1992
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,640
It's the power of being, Oh, the guy at the

1993
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,399
table who knows the owner, you know.

1994
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 2: Right right, he listen. He wants to be fucking Tony

1995
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,039
soprano Vesuvio. That's what he wants to be.

1996
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to go there, but that's that's that's

1997
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:32,560
what I mean, that's it.

1998
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,159
Speaker 2: He wants. He wants to be that guy who knows

1999
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:38,000
the owner. Hey, we went to high school together, you know,

2000
01:43:38,119 --> 01:43:41,600
like like the old friends. You know, he maybe you

2001
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,760
know what chances are Bruno gave him some money to

2002
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,960
start the restaurant. You know, like this is And I.

2003
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Want to ask you a question. When you go into

2004
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,720
a place like that with Bruno, do you have any

2005
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,359
fucking choice but to say you love the food?

2006
01:43:55,239 --> 01:43:57,319
Speaker 2: Oh no, If you don't love the food, then you

2007
01:43:57,399 --> 01:44:00,479
eat like it's the matter, what's something wrong with it? Stops?

2008
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:05,119
Like just just imagine the you know, how's your you know,

2009
01:44:05,159 --> 01:44:15,000
how's your real scallop? Uh? Yeah, a little, a little,

2010
01:44:15,039 --> 01:44:21,760
a little tough. It's like everything stops bearing at you. Well,

2011
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:23,840
it's stuff. I can't picture. That was wrong.

2012
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: The main is thoughts, and so come one, it was

2013
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:31,800
you want to know what tough is? The toughest hair

2014
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,720
that arm, hair covering your wrist watch.

2015
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:40,159
Speaker 2: That's come here, I'll show you tough. Okay, fine fucking fist.

2016
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell a little story. Dana White, Dana White for

2017
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,199
the UFC, is from Boston and he loves I don't know.

2018
01:44:48,199 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 2: That really, Oh yeah, I had no clue.

2019
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:54,079
Speaker 1: He always talks about it, and he was he was

2020
01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:56,960
born in Maine, Connecticut and Maine, but spent.

2021
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:59,359
Speaker 2: Like his was born in Connecticut and Ma was born in.

2022
01:44:59,279 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: Connecticut, up in Maine and Vegas. It's a very complicated thing,

2023
01:45:03,319 --> 01:45:05,880
Jesus Christ. I know, it's very strange what what was

2024
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:07,000
what his parents?

2025
01:45:07,159 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 2: His parents?

2026
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,079
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about his dad and his mom

2027
01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:11,920
is like estranged from him. So it's hard to really

2028
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:17,720
piece that part of his story together. Frankly, so he uh,

2029
01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:21,640
he loves this steak tip place in Southie, Okay. He

2030
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,239
talks about it all the time and he actually one

2031
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:25,920
time when UFC came to town, he actually had a

2032
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,319
media lunch there, and so all the media, like you know,

2033
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,840
goes and has these steak tips at this like you know,

2034
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:32,520
it's like one.

2035
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 2: Of those.

2036
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: Bar and grill you know kind of deals, like not

2037
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:42,119
not many windows, you know. Oh yeah, the shiny wood bar,

2038
01:45:42,279 --> 01:45:43,000
you know, the whole deal.

2039
01:45:43,079 --> 01:45:47,199
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, like dark wood everywhere. Yeah.

2040
01:45:47,239 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: And and Lorenzo Fertita, who was the the guy from

2041
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,800
Station Casinos, the Vegas guy who Dane actually met in

2042
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:58,399
high school and became the big money man behind buying

2043
01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:59,920
the UFC when it was on the verge of bank

2044
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,560
and turning it around and his kind of right hand man.

2045
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,000
And from a business perspective, he was there too. And

2046
01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:10,119
Lorenzo has always been a guy of money and higher tastes.

2047
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:13,399
You know, he's he's uh, he's eating at the finest restaurants,

2048
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:17,960
I'm sure all the time. And I remember he had

2049
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,239
he had some of that. He was there, and he

2050
01:46:19,279 --> 01:46:22,119
had some of the steak tips. And I don't know

2051
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:25,159
if it was it's Dana that asked him, but somehow

2052
01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:26,920
he was put on the spot just like we're saying,

2053
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:28,960
just like we're saying, he was put on the spot.

2054
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:33,359
How steak tips and I remember he's chewing, he's looking

2055
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:39,960
down and he goes solid, and I was like, solid,

2056
01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:43,039
that is as close as he's going to get to

2057
01:46:43,039 --> 01:46:45,720
saying I don't understand how anybody could eat this, how

2058
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,279
anybody could seek this out? Why do these steak? Why

2059
01:46:49,319 --> 01:46:51,680
do these little pieces of steak taste like terry aki?

2060
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:55,439
What the fuck is that? This isn't a Chinese restaurant?

2061
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,279
Why does this taste like teraoki? It's like, well, it's

2062
01:46:57,279 --> 01:47:00,399
a boss. Why That's all I got out of Yep,

2063
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:05,079
it's looking at the plate chewing solid, solid, solid.

2064
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 2: That's not what you want to hear. Solid, dangerous, very,

2065
01:47:10,319 --> 01:47:13,159
That's the fucking danger in the eye of the beholder.

2066
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:16,640
At that point, that's where my mind went when you

2067
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:21,279
did the Bruno like you know what I'm wrong? Yeah, yeah, Well,

2068
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:23,479
because you know I remember that too, Like I remember

2069
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,239
I had friends when I lived in La I had

2070
01:47:26,279 --> 01:47:29,239
friends who you know, they heard me talk about Duncan

2071
01:47:29,279 --> 01:47:33,920
Donuts all the time, you know, and it's like, you know,

2072
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,239
and how I missed Duncan Donuts coffee, and it's like,

2073
01:47:36,319 --> 01:47:37,920
you know, then they go there and they're like, hey,

2074
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,039
we had duncanos. We're not dunking the most comedy. I'm like,

2075
01:47:40,279 --> 01:47:43,199
all right, I mean okay. I was like, you know,

2076
01:47:43,279 --> 01:47:45,439
here's here's the moment of truth, Like, oh my god,

2077
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:49,880
how do you you fucking like this coffee? Yeah? I

2078
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,199
love it. I choose nothing else over it. Go fund yourself.

2079
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:58,119
Speaker 1: It's amazing, isn't it. Yeah, Splash Bandicoot, thank you very

2080
01:47:58,199 --> 01:48:00,279
much for the pledge. We appreciate the supports to you.

2081
01:48:00,359 --> 01:48:03,520
Golder Stern, Thanks for the cake. We'll earn it. Joseph

2082
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,399
al Paul, thank you very much for bumping up your

2083
01:48:05,399 --> 01:48:07,640
pledge to the co chairs. Haul Cogan writes, in the

2084
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,439
spirit of Ring of Honorable Mention, which is one of

2085
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,359
the greatest things you have ever said, Boss, ever ever

2086
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:18,279
ring of Honorable Mention for Ring of Honor, I stand

2087
01:48:18,279 --> 01:48:20,079
by that, Haul Cogan says, in the spirit of that

2088
01:48:20,199 --> 01:48:23,760
his favorite still is Boss is lapsed Vern calling the

2089
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:29,319
WWF in Wringling Brothers?

2090
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 2: Did I said that? In Wringling Brothers, I said, as

2091
01:48:34,039 --> 01:48:38,960
Verne as Vern, that's brilliant. Life and death baby, who

2092
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:42,439
the fuck new life? And we're going back to Minnetonka.

2093
01:48:44,119 --> 01:48:46,960
Christian Hollister always such strong support. We appreciate your recent

2094
01:48:47,079 --> 01:48:51,159
remote upgrade, Ruben Villigercia. Thank you very much, he writes,

2095
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:54,079
clearly a t left three matches nineteen ninety Nikolai Volkoff

2096
01:48:54,279 --> 01:48:59,119
versus nineteen ninety six. I ed Johnson the yells. Oh, yeah,

2097
01:48:59,159 --> 01:49:02,439
of course that would be something to hear. Oh, there

2098
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:03,319
have to be a yell off.

2099
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, we did the t lf x X Games

2100
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,800
best tournament, Uh, you know, tournament to determine the best

2101
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,119
character ever. We should do one determine the best noise

2102
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:15,079
maker ever. We got Louis Albano Volkov, We've got Vince

2103
01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:18,399
who makes noises. We've got, as he mentioned, the dust

2104
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:19,640
doy of Ahmed Johnson.

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01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:25,359
Speaker 2: Who else fits? Yeah? Ah? Who else? Who else makes

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01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:30,159
guttural sounds? Oh? Well you say, did you say Luger? Luger? Sure?

2107
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: And there's Hogan all the things he said in t N. Yeah,

2108
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:38,640
that's the greatest utterance. What's the greatest guttural? Fucking suck.

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01:49:40,319 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 2: Hard to beat? I mean, especially like you know when

2110
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,279
you're getting I mean there was there was an undertaker

2111
01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:52,600
one too, What about Gian Gonzales. Oh yeah, that's a

2112
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:54,439
great one, man, I don't care what anybody says.

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01:49:54,479 --> 01:50:02,159
Speaker 1: That's a great one, Adam writes, I finally joined the eptire.

2114
01:50:02,319 --> 01:50:04,560
Thank you too for over ten years of entertainment. You've

2115
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,359
all been around the world with me. You were there

2116
01:50:06,359 --> 01:50:08,000
in the hospital for the birth of all three of

2117
01:50:08,039 --> 01:50:10,239
my children. You were there one morning the loss of

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01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:12,760
loved ones, and you were still there. TLF is life.

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01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,319
I love you, guys, and thank you for all that

2120
01:50:14,359 --> 01:50:16,640
you have done for the solar system and my ass. Well,

2121
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,239
thank you, Adam. We do it for listeners like you,

2122
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:25,520
Paul writes, we do it for ass. Sunday dinner, Bruno

2123
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:30,079
to David, garlic bread, Sammartino. Oh you come from good stock,

2124
01:50:30,199 --> 01:50:33,720
my boy. I saw as man no stroll, nay.

2125
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:40,159
Speaker 2: And then he says, look at this, Carol, you've outdone

2126
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:49,239
yourself again. Oh you picture him huddled over a steaming

2127
01:50:49,319 --> 01:50:53,760
bowl of ministras. Oh my god, it's the little condensation

2128
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:57,600
is forming on the gold rolex. I would love to

2129
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,960
have been a fly on the wall of the Sammartino

2130
01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:05,720
home when Bruno was eating dinner. Oh, still in my heart,

2131
01:51:06,119 --> 01:51:10,399
just the scenes, the absolute scenes that would have been spectacular.

2132
01:51:12,039 --> 01:51:16,359
That's brilliant, It's positively brilliant. What a scene, What a

2133
01:51:16,399 --> 01:51:20,600
thing to picture Chris Man writes, the CoA Chairs enjoy

2134
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,479
talking about Bruno San Martino. The man is a walking

2135
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:28,319
continent of material. He is. There's no question about that.

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01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 1: So Adam, thanks for that big bump up and pledge.

2137
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:34,319
We feel you, man, We appreciate that. Steve writes, it's

2138
01:51:34,319 --> 01:51:37,000
funny Boss mentioned Sopranos as Bruno constantly claimed he was

2139
01:51:37,039 --> 01:51:39,319
offered a role in the show but didn't want to

2140
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,680
say that he was an unsavory character. Oh my god,

2141
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,720
Bruno is one of those guys. He he adds, that

2142
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,079
would act a Paul that being offered a happy ending.

2143
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:50,159
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

2144
01:51:51,159 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 1: And then he puts an ellipses and says, while getting

2145
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:58,399
into a more comfortable position to receive said ending, yes, yes,

2146
01:51:58,880 --> 01:51:59,319
has to play.

2147
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 2: He would have to publicly decry that, all right, he

2148
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,640
would have to publicly say no way, But deep down

2149
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,920
he knows what he needs, Oh my god, what he wants.

2150
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,600
I think this is like a well known thing, but

2151
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:15,640
one of the my favorite things I've ever heard. Is

2152
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:18,840
one of the reasons that you don't see as many

2153
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,399
undercover stings in rub and tug joints as you'd expect.

2154
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:25,680
These these massage parlors that pop up in in areas

2155
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:29,319
where nobody wants a massage with no you know, absolutely

2156
01:52:29,319 --> 01:52:35,039
no light in every windows covered. They're everywhere. That one

2157
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:37,800
of the reasons you don't see undercover stings is because

2158
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,960
of a fear that the cop won't stop the massage

2159
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,000
therapist from finishing them off and actually, in the process

2160
01:52:44,039 --> 01:52:46,720
break the law and succumb to the succumb to the pressure.

2161
01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:49,520
That's just the funniest thing in the world. Some like

2162
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:53,079
dip shit lieutenant just like coming all over the place

2163
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:55,880
because god damn he did. Exactly.

2164
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,039
Speaker 1: Fuck, okay, all right, can we can we move? Can

2165
01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:00,960
we go in now? Like there in the van outside,

2166
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:04,640
you're ready to fucking break the door down. This guy's

2167
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:09,600
curling his toes, his fucking sad sack, pathetic chief brunch

2168
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:15,000
motherfuckers sitting there fucking letting himself bubble over off. And

2169
01:53:15,039 --> 01:53:17,359
they're like they're in the van, they're looking at the monitors.

2170
01:53:17,359 --> 01:53:20,119
They got their index fingers on their ear with the earpieces, like,

2171
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,079
oh my god, Oh my god, he's coming, he's coming.

2172
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:27,239
This is unbelievable. Exactly, it doesn't even enjoy it. It

2173
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:33,479
just it boils over, you know, oh motherfucker. Oh, They're like,

2174
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,279
this is a total bust. Now we've got a whole

2175
01:53:35,279 --> 01:53:38,159
other problem on our hands. Like, oh no, is that chief?

2176
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:45,000
That's him again? She ticks all limp after all, just

2177
01:53:45,039 --> 01:53:48,279
slaying there knowing he fucked up, knowing he fucked up,

2178
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:50,000
like button size cock.

2179
01:53:50,119 --> 01:53:50,359
Speaker 2: You know.

2180
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:55,279
Speaker 1: The post nut clarity is on another level as he realizes,

2181
01:53:55,359 --> 01:53:58,920
like absolutely, I have months of work to do to

2182
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:02,039
make this go away. This could follow me the rest

2183
01:54:02,079 --> 01:54:05,399
of my career. It will that I couldn't stop Mama

2184
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,439
son from finishing me off here. Tremendous stuff. And that's

2185
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,039
what I think about when Bob Kraft, as much money

2186
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:15,399
as he has, can't help but pull a hat down

2187
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:18,039
low and get tugged off in Tampa wherever the fuck

2188
01:54:18,079 --> 01:54:22,319
he was. Tremendous stuff, that piece of shit. Holkogan writes,

2189
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:27,439
club Yeah, sure together, that's the new open.

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01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:31,199
Speaker 1: John writes, I could listen to huge pops in old

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01:54:31,239 --> 01:54:34,039
arenas all day. This is, you know, Colosseum Video Man,

2193
01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:38,520
Colosseum Collection, Bruno's Comebacks, Adro's comebacks. Listen to that audio

2194
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:39,720
if you want to get an idea of what we're

2195
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:40,279
talking about.

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01:54:40,439 --> 01:54:42,199
Speaker 2: It's phenomenal shit, he.

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01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:44,159
Speaker 1: Writes, I could listen to huge pops and old arenas

2198
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:47,159
all day, whether it's wrestling, boxing, music, basketball, et cetera.

2199
01:54:47,319 --> 01:54:49,880
There's just something about the way fans sound in pre

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01:54:50,119 --> 01:54:54,439
HD film and that's it. The sound isn't digital. It

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01:54:54,479 --> 01:54:57,359
makes a huge difference because it can flood, it can

2202
01:54:57,439 --> 01:55:00,239
drown out, it can reach a level where it's just

2203
01:55:00,319 --> 01:55:03,359
not being captured anymore. It's taking over the levels.

2204
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,439
Speaker 2: It's huge, it's a very it's a it's a massive,

2205
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:08,680
massive thing.

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01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:12,079
Speaker 1: Such an effect. Anonymous, thanks very much for the doubling

2207
01:55:12,079 --> 01:55:13,920
of your pledge. We appreciate it. Rick S, thank you

2208
01:55:14,039 --> 01:55:16,279
very much for the support. Crosley Bendix, We thank you

2209
01:55:16,359 --> 01:55:18,479
very much. Welcome to the EP tier. Same to you,

2210
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:22,039
Omari Corey Smell great homie. Thanks very much for bumping

2211
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:25,279
up to the vip tr. Chad writes, Hey, gentlemen, few

2212
01:55:25,279 --> 01:55:27,039
insights for the next time there's a feedback show here.

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01:55:27,079 --> 01:55:28,800
We are as far as Owens and Cody and the

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01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:30,520
winged Eagle belt. Didn't know if you caught it, but

2215
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,640
that's actually just a WW shop replica anyone can purchase.

2216
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:35,119
Wasn't a legit handmade belt?

2217
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got I figure this. Yeah, of course it's

2218
01:55:38,279 --> 01:55:40,119
not gonna be because they can't do the real one

2219
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:42,000
because it's got the the F in it, and isn't

2220
01:55:42,039 --> 01:55:45,000
the F the isn't that F the one that's a problem.

2221
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,039
I don't know for sure. I thought it was that F.

2222
01:55:48,119 --> 01:55:50,880
I thought it was. I thought maybe more so I

2223
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:54,039
thought it was. I thought I thought that's what it was.

2224
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,960
Maybe all f's are. But yeah, they can't. They can't

2225
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:00,359
even use that one because it's not and of course

2226
01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:02,680
not they have they're not. And also they're not going

2227
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:05,520
to use that one, right, They're not going to use

2228
01:56:06,199 --> 01:56:11,199
the one that isn't it doesn't have the current the

2229
01:56:11,319 --> 01:56:13,720
w W logo, right all right, they're not going to

2230
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:16,319
have the F. The F is gone. The F never happened,

2231
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,960
The F has been gotten out, Yeah exactly.

2232
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean, how sad was it when they were going

2233
01:56:21,399 --> 01:56:24,359
through their old school phase and started coming out with

2234
01:56:24,399 --> 01:56:26,399
all the old merch with the old logo on it

2235
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,640
and they had to lob off the F. What what

2236
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:32,960
a laughing stock they made of themselves? Like yep, the

2237
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:35,840
raw thirtieth were like it was all everything was old,

2238
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:38,359
but it was the WWF logo without the f on.

2239
01:56:38,359 --> 01:56:43,479
Speaker 2: It so pathetic, so pathetic, I mean even worse when

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01:56:43,479 --> 01:56:47,840
they had that that Ultimate Warrior documentary or that something

2241
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,039
I forget what it was, but they showed a clip

2242
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:54,039
or they showed a still of the WrestleMania six contract

2243
01:56:54,119 --> 01:57:00,279
signing with and they and they, they digitally removed the

2244
01:57:00,319 --> 01:57:02,039
logo and put the E logo in.

2245
01:57:02,319 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 1: They've shown like scans of articles from back then and

2246
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:10,560
gone to the trouble of manipulating the scan of the

2247
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:13,439
newspaper article to say WWE, when yes, there was no

2248
01:57:13,479 --> 01:57:16,000
such thing at the time the article was printed. Yes,

2249
01:57:16,479 --> 01:57:17,560
what's happening here?

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01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 2: They're they're they're doing the right thing for business.

2251
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,399
Speaker 1: Really, do enjoy Chad right to the SNME live call

2252
01:57:24,439 --> 01:57:26,600
Saturday Night's main event. Glad you've kept up on them.

2253
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:28,600
Must suck to have to watch all that modern stuff. Though,

2254
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:30,439
crazy idea, but why don't they just go back to

2255
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:33,399
having Saturday Nights main event replace the lower lower level

2256
01:57:33,399 --> 01:57:35,800
pay per views. It's a good question because now it's

2257
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,840
all on Peacock anyway, and they're making the same amount

2258
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:42,039
of money. I don't know if Peacock necessarily cares if

2259
01:57:42,079 --> 01:57:44,199
you call it no mercy or Saturday Nights main event.

2260
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure they don't care at all. Just do about

2261
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,079
eight snms a year. I love this.

2262
01:57:48,199 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and have your big six four to six pay

2263
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,560
per views, because then you can use the Saturday Nights

2264
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,159
main event to shoot the big angles for the pay

2265
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:56,359
per view, which was always the magic of Saturday Nights

2266
01:57:56,359 --> 01:57:59,039
main event. That's where you shot your big angles that

2267
01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:00,760
had to move units on pay TV.

2268
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,840
Speaker 2: But but it kind of defeats the purpose if you're like,

2269
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,239
if you're if you have like two Satura Nights main

2270
01:58:08,279 --> 01:58:10,640
events in the run in a row, you can do it.

2271
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 1: It's a little trickier. You just have to be you

2272
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,199
can just do less snmes. But I like this point

2273
01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:16,920
where it's like, why do those have to be on

2274
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:19,800
top of And as we're seeing with how strategically they're

2275
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,000
deploying these shows, maybe it's starting to make some sense.

2276
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,840
Did you hear that they they booked a Saturday Night's

2277
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:28,079
main event to run the same weekend as aw's big

2278
01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:30,239
all out Texas Stadium show in July in the same

2279
01:58:30,279 --> 01:58:31,560
market in Texas.

2280
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:35,119
Speaker 2: Not they're intext they're gonna be doing in Texas as well. Yeah,

2281
01:58:35,239 --> 01:58:36,119
holy shit.

2282
01:58:36,199 --> 01:58:38,399
Speaker 1: So that's that's what Saturday Night's main event is there

2283
01:58:38,399 --> 01:58:41,079
for whatever they need to fuck with AW on Saturday Night.

2284
01:58:41,399 --> 01:58:44,279
Speaker 2: And like, I mean, it's kind of funny, like you'd think, though,

2285
01:58:44,279 --> 01:58:46,920
are they gonna Is that gonna work? Though? With a

2286
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,479
mean because its main event is kind of less than a.

2287
01:58:50,479 --> 01:58:54,079
Speaker 1: Pay per view it is for a pl what what's happening?

2288
01:58:54,079 --> 01:58:56,000
It looks like is AW is actually gonna move their

2289
01:58:56,039 --> 01:58:58,720
start time back substantially so that their pay per view

2290
01:58:59,239 --> 01:59:00,960
it's pretty much going to be over by the time

2291
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:02,880
Saturday Night's main events start. So it was to not

2292
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,560
split at least the television audience. And I think they're like,

2293
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:09,039
it's it's Texas. So there's I think one San Antonio

2294
01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:13,880
and one is one is Dallas, so it's far away

2295
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:17,079
enough that it's you know, it's not the same two markets.

2296
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:19,279
It's an incredibly long drive if you're a ticket buying

2297
01:59:19,319 --> 01:59:22,119
wrestling fan, right, So it's not like it's hurting, but

2298
01:59:22,359 --> 01:59:24,239
the fact that they would do it, it's just classic shit.

2299
01:59:24,359 --> 01:59:28,239
Speaker 2: You know. Oh yeah, that's old school, man, That's honestly,

2300
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:29,039
it's the way it should be.

2301
01:59:29,359 --> 01:59:31,920
Speaker 1: And it was so weird because WWE shifted to Saturdays,

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01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:34,319
which fucked with AW. But then AW now is the

2303
01:59:34,359 --> 01:59:36,680
Sunday night pay per view company, because now they have

2304
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:39,319
a Saturday night television show and TNT Collision that they

2305
01:59:39,319 --> 01:59:41,039
have to do. And so if they were to run

2306
01:59:41,039 --> 01:59:43,560
Saturday night pay per views, which is very optimal for them,

2307
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:46,239
I think they have to cancel Collision, which which of

2308
01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:47,439
course I don't know why they're just use it as

2309
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:49,960
a pay per view pre show, but that's neither here

2310
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,239
nor there. And yeah, they're moving it up. And they're

2311
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:55,920
also now holding off on announcing dates too far out.

2312
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:57,880
They don't want to announce these dates too far out

2313
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:01,079
because wwe can can play aimes and counter program.

2314
02:00:01,159 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. Chat that's funny, Man's that's funny. Fucked

2315
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,079
up it is. You didn't you wouldn't think they would

2316
02:00:10,119 --> 02:00:12,680
have to do that, but I mean you right, Like

2317
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:14,640
I mean, I guess all they wanted to do is

2318
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:18,760
just wait so they can fucking, you know, buy the company.

2319
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 1: The craziest one I saw because UFC did this too

2320
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:24,319
big time. When number two groups would pop up, they

2321
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would run head to head and book shows on the

2322
02:00:26,359 --> 02:00:29,720
fly to compete with pay per views and other upstock

2323
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,680
groups are trying to do the best.

2324
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:32,319
Speaker 2: One was.

2325
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Speaker 1: Bellatore, which was at the time a rising number two.

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02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:39,359
It was no threat to the UFC, but it was

2327
02:00:39,479 --> 02:00:42,159
you know, they were signing big time fighters. They were competing.

2328
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:46,239
Bellatour was at Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and UFC was

2329
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:49,760
in Foxwoods and Connecticut on the same night, almost the

2330
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:52,880
same night, running to the two Connecticut casinos.

2331
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:55,359
Speaker 2: That's how crazy it got. That was a wild night.

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02:00:57,079 --> 02:01:12,960
Speaker 3: Wrestling podcast. The wrestling podcast that knows the boys need

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02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:31,079
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02:01:31,159 --> 02:01:35,359
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02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,039
Speaker 1: Chad writes, less belts, What the fuck are they doing

2336
02:01:38,039 --> 02:01:40,199
with a women's US And I see, yeah, that's the

2337
02:01:40,199 --> 02:01:43,359
thing too. You didn't see like, I don't know, maybe

2338
02:01:43,359 --> 02:01:45,319
I'm a little unplugged. I gotta get some catching up in.

2339
02:01:45,399 --> 02:01:48,720
But you don't even see like why they did it.

2340
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:50,640
It's very rare that. I mean, here's why they introduce

2341
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:52,640
those belts. It doesn't hit you over the head. It's

2342
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,279
not because it's not it's not a hit you or

2343
02:01:54,279 --> 02:01:56,800
the type of thing. It's a it's a fucking all

2344
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:59,239
it is was about the equality of it.

2345
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:01,439
Speaker 2: I guess that's what it is. No reason, there's no

2346
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:05,119
reason to actually do it because it just, you know it,

2347
02:02:05,359 --> 02:02:08,479
it just there's no value to it at all. I

2348
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:10,720
am there's no value to it. I am all for

2349
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,920
people making a living in pro wrestling. I don't want

2350
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:15,239
anybody to lose their job. Don't take this the wrong way.

2351
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:17,840
But if you look at your roster and you say,

2352
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:20,920
you know, we've got so much women, so many women,

2353
02:02:21,039 --> 02:02:23,640
that we need to introduce a second belt, so a

2354
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:25,439
lot of these women have something to compete for and

2355
02:02:25,479 --> 02:02:29,640
to you know, orient themselves against, what you might be

2356
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,760
telling yourself is you might not need that many women. Frankly,

2357
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,800
I don't understand why, like you don't just employ the

2358
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:37,880
people you need at the time that you actually have

2359
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:40,520
plans for, you know what I mean. It's it's very.

2360
02:02:40,359 --> 02:02:44,159
Speaker 1: Strange, like the tale of both rosters, Like what the

2361
02:02:44,279 --> 02:02:45,880
what the company has in mind?

2362
02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:47,039
Speaker 2: You know?

2363
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:49,760
Speaker 1: Like I said, I absolutely am not advocating that they

2364
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:51,279
just get thrown out on the street, but I do

2365
02:02:51,319 --> 02:02:53,720
wonder what the mentality is of having so much talent

2366
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:57,520
under contract both companies. WW is better calibrated than AW.

2367
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,439
AW has so many people that they pay just to

2368
02:02:59,439 --> 02:03:02,800
sit home, because unless they have a storyline for you

2369
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,479
right now, they don't even bother flying you to TV.

2370
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:06,159
Speaker 2: But they still pay you every week. So it's kind

2371
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:07,119
of a great set.

2372
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:09,800
Speaker 1: But the thing now is the talent is so much

2373
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:12,119
more geared towards They want to work, they want to contribute,

2374
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:14,319
they want to show off, they want to show out.

2375
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:17,119
It's not like the old days were, like you know,

2376
02:03:17,359 --> 02:03:19,520
if you told a carneye in the eighties or nineties

2377
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:21,279
that like will pay you to not do anything, it's

2378
02:03:21,279 --> 02:03:23,640
the greatest fucking thing they've ever heard of, that's right.

2379
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:25,199
What they get up in the morning forest to stumble

2380
02:03:25,239 --> 02:03:27,079
into an opportunity like that. That's where everyone loved working at

2381
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:32,399
WCW and the mid to late nineties. But still it's

2382
02:03:32,479 --> 02:03:34,920
it's really weird why they don't just kind of say,

2383
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:37,720
all right, we've got we've got a couple of programs here.

2384
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:41,119
We're going to employ these people until the program is over,

2385
02:03:41,159 --> 02:03:43,840
and then we'll cycle someone else in and get them

2386
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:47,000
locked under contract. Like why have like a bench of

2387
02:03:47,479 --> 02:03:49,960
thirty options when you can only deliver one match of

2388
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:54,039
pay per view anyway? From that roster, it's it's interesting

2389
02:03:54,039 --> 02:03:57,840
to me. So yeah, less belts, of course. I mean, god,

2390
02:03:58,279 --> 02:04:00,479
we all know three is the magic number the women's

2391
02:04:00,479 --> 02:04:04,119
title for come on, I mean, this is not complicated, This.

2392
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:06,640
Speaker 2: Is not I mean part of Also, you know, it

2393
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:09,800
wouldn't be as big of a deal if they didn't

2394
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:14,079
have so many fucking world championships. Yeah, that's part of

2395
02:04:14,079 --> 02:04:17,840
the problem. That's a big part of the problem. Like

2396
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:22,800
if they were just if they would just let the

2397
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:25,640
other belts be subservient to the big Belt, if they

2398
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:27,800
would just well, if they would just fucking cut a

2399
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:32,319
world championship, I've never under I still don't understand like

2400
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:38,199
what that does except dilute the other the real world championship.

2401
02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:41,000
Guntor should be IC champion. That should be enough, and

2402
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:43,000
then one day he's ready for the Big Belt, and

2403
02:04:43,039 --> 02:04:47,800
that's a beautiful day, right exactly. You know, like it

2404
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:51,600
because because nobody thinks of it as equal, it's introduced

2405
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:54,920
it like last year, because the only time, the only

2406
02:04:55,079 --> 02:04:58,720
time it was equal, there was only one time when

2407
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:03,760
it was equal, and that was that was like two

2408
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:07,279
thousand and four, two thousand and five. They did it.

2409
02:05:07,479 --> 02:05:11,439
They did such a great job at because I remember,

2410
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:15,000
you know, when when when Triple H first got the belt,

2411
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,199
it was like it was such a joke. It was

2412
02:05:17,239 --> 02:05:20,680
such a joke, and it meant nothing. But when they

2413
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,720
you know, especially I think of WrestleMania twenty as being

2414
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:26,720
the time where both championships really meant something.

2415
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought by then the World the Big Gold

2416
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:33,399
had so thoroughly eclipsed the WW Beltah's Belt of Choices.

2417
02:05:33,399 --> 02:05:35,920
He wanted to cosplay as Rick Flair, of.

2418
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 2: Course, and and I agree that it kind of had.

2419
02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:42,039
But at the same time, you know, when Brock had

2420
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:46,880
the belt and when had the belt, yeah, there was

2421
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,159
like you know, when they have those, there was some

2422
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:52,520
Even when Sena and Batista had it, it was close,

2423
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:55,640
there was like there was a real like these guys

2424
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:58,159
aren't equal planes, Like there I can see them both.

2425
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:01,760
But but since then, it's like it's just a fucking

2426
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:05,720
it's it's a joke, it really is, and title is

2427
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:09,600
what it is, right, there's no need to have two

2428
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:11,760
world champions and this in order to have two women

2429
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:15,399
world champions like you could easily. I like having a

2430
02:06:15,479 --> 02:06:17,800
US Belt. I always liked having US belts. I think

2431
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:21,880
having three championships for the men and then tag titles

2432
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:23,760
and then three champions for the women and then tag titles.

2433
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:25,439
Is great, that's it. That's all you gotta have.

2434
02:06:25,720 --> 02:06:28,199
Speaker 1: Clearly, and I think introducing all these belts it just

2435
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:30,560
goes to show that like they're not as creative as

2436
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,359
they like to think they are, because they don't know

2437
02:06:32,399 --> 02:06:34,960
what to do if they can't orient the show around

2438
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:38,520
everyone chasing something that's perceived as the world championship, right,

2439
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:40,600
like they can the ideas that the ideas that you

2440
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:42,640
are supposed to be always chasing the world championship, but

2441
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:44,920
you're doing that by winning matches and winning against Imagine

2442
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,960
that more prestigious, more prestigious opponents. Imagine that, you know,

2443
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:50,319
like yeah, and you can have it doesn't have to

2444
02:06:50,319 --> 02:06:53,039
be one show has the world champion, the other one doesn't.

2445
02:06:53,159 --> 02:06:55,479
The World champ can go from roster to roster. You know,

2446
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,840
they can be on SmackDown for two months if the

2447
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:00,359
top contender happens to be there, and they can Beyond

2448
02:07:00,399 --> 02:07:02,880
Raw for two months if the top contender happens to

2449
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,199
be there. But the idea that both shows have to

2450
02:07:05,239 --> 02:07:07,560
operate on these two separate islands, because the only way

2451
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:10,960
we understand is this waterfall structure where everything comes down

2452
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,840
from this one world champion at the top of the hill,

2453
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,840
and we have to almost pretend for the sake of

2454
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:17,720
this self contained show that there isn't another world champion

2455
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:20,760
in the world, that the person doesn't exist. Almost is

2456
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:24,000
completely stupid. It just begs people to not take the

2457
02:07:24,039 --> 02:07:27,760
world title seriously, and they shouldn't, frankly, because it was

2458
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:31,760
just clumsily thrown back out there because Triple H didn't

2459
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:34,199
know what to do on raw. Because here it's no

2460
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:38,119
coincidence that the company absolutely lit on fire when Roman

2461
02:07:38,199 --> 02:07:41,079
had both belts on his shoulder. There was one champion.

2462
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:43,560
That's how you fucking do it, and he proved it.

2463
02:07:43,640 --> 02:07:46,800
He proved it still the case. You look at how

2464
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:48,880
much of an attraction he was when he had both

2465
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:52,680
belts swinging, swinging like a big dick all over the place,

2466
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:57,159
and Becky the same thing. Becky never felt as big

2467
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:01,840
as she did holding those two belts high. Oh, of course,

2468
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:06,439
no way, come on, folks. And for rumble, he says,

2469
02:08:06,479 --> 02:08:08,560
you think you miss gorilla on the death toll? I

2470
02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:11,039
don't know think ninety six rumble is that what he's

2471
02:08:11,039 --> 02:08:14,960
talking about about, uh rub ninety six is Gorilla on there.

2472
02:08:15,039 --> 02:08:16,720
Yeah he is, Yeah, because the next night he gets

2473
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:19,279
splashed by Vader, right did I?

2474
02:08:19,279 --> 02:08:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I can I can see Meg. I

2475
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:24,000
must have missed him. I don't know how I missed

2476
02:08:24,039 --> 02:08:27,279
it happens. Don't miss Gorilla of all people, he says.

2477
02:08:27,279 --> 02:08:28,520
Speaker 1: And you are right to think of the rumble as

2478
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,960
where Razor always loses the icy Belt. He also lost

2479
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:33,079
it in ninety five to Double j and I totally

2480
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:35,760
agree to the rumble match would always go last Chat agrees.

2481
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:38,760
But so far as double Duty goes despite the negatives

2482
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:41,239
of it, years when the roster is so thin like

2483
02:08:41,359 --> 02:08:43,600
in the New Gen years, wouldn't it benefit the Rumble

2484
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:45,800
match to do it instead of having tons of Jabroni's

2485
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:47,359
in it. I kind of feel like anyone besides the

2486
02:08:47,359 --> 02:08:49,520
guys in the World Title match should be on the

2487
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:52,239
table the years they didn't doubled dip, like ninety three

2488
02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:53,600
to ninety five and ninety six or some of the

2489
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,399
least exciting rumbles to me. So he's saying, if guys

2490
02:08:56,439 --> 02:08:57,840
can't come back to compete in the match at the

2491
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:00,279
end of the night, it just hurts. The rumble just

2492
02:09:00,319 --> 02:09:03,520
makes the brumble too thin. I mean, he's not wrong,

2493
02:09:05,239 --> 02:09:08,039
but I still hate it. And I never liked the

2494
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:08,760
double dipping at all.

2495
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:10,920
Speaker 2: I still hate it. Yeah, I hate it. Hate it.

2496
02:09:11,439 --> 02:09:14,279
Speaker 1: You show up to the building trained and focused to

2497
02:09:14,319 --> 02:09:16,600
win the Brumble, and then the other guys are trained

2498
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:17,760
and focused to win their matches.

2499
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,359
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't do both.

2500
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,199
Speaker 1: I mean you can, but it's just like one of

2501
02:09:22,199 --> 02:09:24,800
the two is going to suffer needlessly, rightly, because the

2502
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:26,760
whole reason you put matches other than the Battle Royal

2503
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:29,159
and the Royal Rumble is to spice up the card

2504
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:32,199
and make it more attractive from a marquee standpoint, right,

2505
02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:34,479
And if all those guys are just also Rumble participants,

2506
02:09:34,479 --> 02:09:37,399
it doesn't really spice up the card because those guys

2507
02:09:37,399 --> 02:09:40,560
are in the Rumble anyway. It's not something extra. Martin Wilson,

2508
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:42,600
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2511
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:49,159
you very much for generously doubling your pledge. We see

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you and appreciate you. Asked Blaster eighteen sixty five, that's

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02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:53,359
the fucking ticket right there there.

2514
02:09:53,359 --> 02:09:54,359
Speaker 2: It is absolutely and.

2515
02:09:54,319 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: Rumble ninety six. Paul writes Dorance Junior wearing a two

2516
02:09:56,840 --> 02:09:58,680
pey and thinking that it's the funniest thing ever that

2517
02:09:58,720 --> 02:10:01,439
everyone is no selling. It just tickles me. He might

2518
02:10:01,479 --> 02:10:05,720
actually be as simple as lapsed Dory. Ryan Harvey, thank

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02:10:05,720 --> 02:10:08,159
you very much for your increased pledge, Sam writes, Jack

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brought up DJ Dwayn Johnson the idea of Dwayn Johnson

2521
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:13,520
entering at number thirty one this year. In the rumble,

2522
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,560
we were talking about what if? Right, Yeah, that's literally

2523
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:18,239
and I did forget this, I'll admit it what Triple

2524
02:10:18,359 --> 02:10:20,279
H did in twenty sixteen entered number thirty one and

2525
02:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,439
won it. Totally forgot that that was the rumble, that

2526
02:10:23,439 --> 02:10:25,039
it was for the title. And then he he wasn't

2527
02:10:25,039 --> 02:10:26,039
thirty one, he was thirty.

2528
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:29,039
Speaker 2: He wasn't thirty one. I don't think so he was.

2529
02:10:29,199 --> 02:10:29,960
Let me take a look.

2530
02:10:30,319 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 1: I think they did this thing where like, because he's

2531
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:34,800
the power player, he pulled a power play and got

2532
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:35,960
the things were a rumble.

2533
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:40,079
Speaker 2: Twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, Pretty sure

2534
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:42,399
it was. I think it was twenty sixteen, because it

2535
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:43,960
was it was a year we went to Dallas, Texas

2536
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:49,800
for wrestling. I was sixteen. Yeah, no, he was thirty, Okay,

2537
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:50,680
he was thirty. He was thirty.

2538
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:52,840
Speaker 1: That's not what I meant. I said thirty one. Yeah,

2539
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:54,319
it should be here. I am falling on my sword.

2540
02:10:54,359 --> 02:10:55,000
That's not what I mean.

2541
02:10:55,039 --> 02:10:55,319
Speaker 2: I mean.

2542
02:10:55,600 --> 02:10:58,960
Speaker 1: He pulls power play and adds a spot to the rumble.

2543
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:01,199
Speaker 2: Right, right, that's the idea. That should be an extra spot.

2544
02:11:01,359 --> 02:11:04,239
Not that he's in it, but that all thirty guys

2545
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:06,720
have entered. And then like four minutes later, the clock

2546
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:09,800
goes down again, right, you know, or like when there's

2547
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:16,199
like or or even better, even better, the guy wins

2548
02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:20,119
the rumble and the clock starts going down and then

2549
02:11:20,199 --> 02:11:21,039
out comes Dwayne.

2550
02:11:21,079 --> 02:11:24,479
Speaker 1: He didn't win, right, William, you ran. Thank you very

2551
02:11:24,560 --> 02:11:26,840
much for your pledge. John Lamb, thank you for.

2552
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:31,000
Speaker 2: Remember remember remember when you know, remember like this was

2553
02:11:31,039 --> 02:11:33,720
such a that that was actually one of the biggest

2554
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:38,640
fucking triple H bullshit moves ever when he when he

2555
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:41,680
won that, because not only did he did he win it,

2556
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,000
but then he's like, you know, here they are, they're

2557
02:11:44,039 --> 02:11:47,880
trying to build up Roman reigns as the guy and

2558
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:54,600
he tossed triple H just fucking tosses him out, and

2559
02:11:54,640 --> 02:11:57,199
then he crotch chops him and does all that ship

2560
02:11:57,279 --> 02:12:00,720
and comes across as the biggest fucking all time. It's

2561
02:12:00,760 --> 02:12:04,119
such like a fucking like, you know, you're not you're

2562
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:08,279
not doing You're creating so much more harm than any

2563
02:12:08,319 --> 02:12:10,479
sort of I mean that that's his m O really,

2564
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:14,640
up until most recently, I suppose, is that's what he

2565
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:16,560
would do. He would fucking know until that heart attack

2566
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,920
where he wasn't like a lie to actually get in

2567
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:21,199
the runing anymore exactly clips everybody.

2568
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pathetic. There was something. There's some backstory too,

2569
02:12:25,479 --> 02:12:27,479
and I'm trying to remember the details. I feel like

2570
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,600
it was supposed to be Roman and somebody else, and

2571
02:12:31,039 --> 02:12:34,039
that having Triple H went it that way and get

2572
02:12:34,039 --> 02:12:36,039
into the main event was like a plan B. But

2573
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:39,319
I can't remember. I can't remember if it was just

2574
02:12:39,439 --> 02:12:41,279
people wanted it to be someone else, or if it

2575
02:12:41,279 --> 02:12:42,920
was going was supposed to be a Rock, because I

2576
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,920
remember Rock had done the thing where he came out

2577
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:48,199
with Roman, remember, and endorsed him after he won the

2578
02:12:48,279 --> 02:12:49,239
Rumble that year.

2579
02:12:49,159 --> 02:12:52,760
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the year the year prior so, and everyone

2580
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:55,000
and everyone bowed the shit out of rock. They sure did,

2581
02:12:55,119 --> 02:12:59,159
They sure did. That was the hint of things to come. Yeah,

2582
02:12:59,279 --> 02:12:59,840
not pathetic.

2583
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:01,640
Speaker 1: And then you know, you know, you know Triple Agency

2584
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:04,159
in that record Gate and that record one hundred thousand

2585
02:13:04,159 --> 02:13:07,159
plus crowd number, and it's I pulling the whole coga.

2586
02:13:07,279 --> 02:13:09,039
How can I sign myself to that?

2587
02:13:09,359 --> 02:13:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah it was.

2588
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,880
Speaker 1: It was a decent match, but it didn't get didn't

2589
02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:14,920
get Roman off to the races.

2590
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:17,279
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. No, well, nothing, nothing really could

2591
02:13:17,279 --> 02:13:19,039
at the times true, honestly, he was fucked.

2592
02:13:19,279 --> 02:13:23,359
Speaker 1: I was searching for what David Lynch thing from the past.

2593
02:13:23,399 --> 02:13:25,079
Someone had written to us about people leaving the theater.

2594
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:28,000
Carlos says he saw a racerhead in theater. People walked out.

2595
02:13:28,279 --> 02:13:30,439
The people I was with were pissed. I felt that

2596
02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:33,000
warm pariah feeling like being a wrestling mark, the sense

2597
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:35,319
of really connecting with something that earns contempt from the

2598
02:13:35,359 --> 02:13:38,159
normis a racerhead. Mahalan drive in the twenty twenty two

2599
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:41,159
Weather Reports are personal faves. Blue Velvet was too much,

2600
02:13:41,359 --> 02:13:41,840
too much.

2601
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:45,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready. Wow, you no shit? What is this movie?

2602
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:46,840
Why is people?

2603
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it. I'm fascinating I know, I know,

2604
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:50,199
got to make time to watch this thing.

2605
02:13:50,319 --> 02:13:51,239
Speaker 2: I gotta do it.

2606
02:13:51,279 --> 02:13:53,600
Speaker 1: Patrick Weisberger, thank you very much for your support and

2607
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:56,439
increasing your pledge recently. We appreciate it very much. Paul Epton,

2608
02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:59,119
thank you for the support. Michael Tremarco. Another shout out

2609
02:13:59,119 --> 02:14:02,159
coming your way for increasing your pledge earlier. Tim Lee,

2610
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:03,720
thank you very much for doing much the same. These

2611
02:14:03,720 --> 02:14:05,520
people see these live calls, boss, and they need it.

2612
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:06,399
It's not complicated.

2613
02:14:06,439 --> 02:14:07,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.

2614
02:14:07,359 --> 02:14:09,960
Speaker 1: Nicholas Chapara, thank you very much for your increased pledge.

2615
02:14:09,960 --> 02:14:12,920
Same to you, Andrew Mansow. And that's a meaty number

2616
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:15,399
coming our way. We appreciate that. Eric red Bee, thank

2617
02:14:15,399 --> 02:14:19,199
you very much for your support. Sam also clarifies that yes,

2618
02:14:19,239 --> 02:14:21,079
Fordfield does have one of those windows where you can

2619
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:23,159
see the sky during the day. Remember we were wondering

2620
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:28,159
about that, Yes, and you had that foggy memory that

2621
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:30,039
when we went to ford Field for WrestleMania that year

2622
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,920
that it was like it was yep, Okay, I can

2623
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:36,039
confirm right, Sam Rivers, thank you for the pledge. Pete,

2624
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:39,319
thank you for the support. On Patreon. Josh Wright, welcome,

2625
02:14:39,359 --> 02:14:42,560
my friend to the moat tier. You mighty mighty Motor

2626
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:45,439
Michael Kaprio, thanks very much for the support. Tim Weiss

2627
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:47,720
jumped all the way up to that fucking moat tier

2628
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,359
as well. These people don't fuck around man, No, they're

2629
02:14:50,359 --> 02:14:53,840
not intimidated, Curtis writes, Love Rumble ninety six show.

2630
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:54,199
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2631
02:14:54,399 --> 02:14:56,159
Speaker 1: Also loved your idea of having a rumble where all

2632
02:14:56,159 --> 02:14:58,119
thirty people get in the ring before a single elimination.

2633
02:14:58,199 --> 02:15:00,680
See he loves it. What's it going to be?

2634
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:00,880
Speaker 2: Is it?

2635
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:02,439
Speaker 1: Is it a bad idea or is it a good idea?

2636
02:15:02,840 --> 02:15:05,319
It's not a bad idea, idea they haven't done yet,

2637
02:15:05,319 --> 02:15:06,840
he says. Would be for one guy to be standing

2638
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:08,479
alone in the ring as the buzzer goes for number

2639
02:15:08,479 --> 02:15:11,560
twenty nine, and those who immediately brawl and double eliminate

2640
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:14,960
each other, leaving an empty ring as they milk number thirty.

2641
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:16,960
Who would be the winner by default?

2642
02:15:17,479 --> 02:15:19,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would that'd be. I mean that would be.

2643
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:25,079
I have mixed feelings about that, Like, it's definitely something

2644
02:15:25,079 --> 02:15:28,159
that would be cool to witness. At the same time,

2645
02:15:28,319 --> 02:15:29,640
it would be such a you.

2646
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:31,880
Speaker 1: Would have to choose that wonder very carefully. It'd have

2647
02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:34,399
to be some big time heel or something, right.

2648
02:15:34,439 --> 02:15:38,079
Speaker 2: I have be somebody who who honestly had no chance

2649
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:41,680
in hell in winning, but it needed to be someone yeah,

2650
02:15:42,359 --> 02:15:46,399
kind of legit. Santino, No, I don't think so. I

2651
02:15:46,439 --> 02:15:48,840
think that would have been bad. But it could have

2652
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:59,880
been m Alberto del Rio yea, Seamus Yeah Alberta now yeah, yeah,

2653
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:01,159
either of them like im not.

2654
02:16:01,359 --> 02:16:03,560
Speaker 1: Just smarmy heels that you know, don't deserve to be.

2655
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:06,359
Speaker 2: There, right, and they really had no business fucking winning

2656
02:16:06,399 --> 02:16:09,720
that thing, right, but they did. Yeah.

2657
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:13,279
Speaker 1: His idea, Curtis's vision is what you have is the

2658
02:16:13,319 --> 02:16:16,159
announcers aren't emphasizing that they know who the last person is,

2659
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:18,880
so they did they haven't figured it out yet. But

2660
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:22,439
once this emergency occurs where the last two guys before

2661
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:24,920
number thirty are out and therefore number thirty is gonna win,

2662
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:28,159
they're like scrambling trying to figure out, like, who haven't

2663
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:29,439
we seen yet? Who the hell is this gonna be?

2664
02:16:29,479 --> 02:16:31,199
Who's gonna win this fucking match? It'll be like the

2665
02:16:31,239 --> 02:16:32,319
longest countdown ever.

2666
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:34,879
Speaker 2: And what would be amazing too, is if it was

2667
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:40,000
is if it happened they eliminated to each other with

2668
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:43,280
like a minute to go. Yeah, you know, like a

2669
02:16:43,360 --> 02:16:47,120
memory before and everyone's gonna wait there and like, who

2670
02:16:47,159 --> 02:16:47,840
the fuck is it?

2671
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:49,399
Speaker 1: You know when this would have been a stroke of

2672
02:16:49,440 --> 02:16:53,120
genius ninety nine, that's how Vince wins.

2673
02:16:53,479 --> 02:16:57,079
Speaker 2: Oh that works. That would have been pretty cool. Yep.

2674
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:58,920
Speaker 1: It has to be a rumble where you don't plan

2675
02:16:58,959 --> 02:17:01,040
on putting the winner in the WrestleMania Maine.

2676
02:17:00,879 --> 02:17:06,079
Speaker 2: Event like that year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.

2677
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:09,479
Speaker 1: Kevin writes, I'm watching the nineteen eighty nine rubble Jesse.

2678
02:17:09,479 --> 02:17:11,239
You just said you weren't eliminated until you go over

2679
02:17:11,239 --> 02:17:12,920
the top rope and both he't hit the floor.

2680
02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:14,840
Speaker 2: What the fuck? I thought it wasn't until ninety five?

2681
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:19,440
He says it what n Kevin reports back, Yep, all right,

2682
02:17:19,559 --> 02:17:22,319
it's a look at it complicates things. That does complicate things.

2683
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:24,120
I will admit that if that is the case, and

2684
02:17:24,159 --> 02:17:27,280
then then my argument is, uh is fucked. Although they

2685
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:30,639
didn't play by that rule any other year that year,

2686
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:31,760
that was never specified.

2687
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:35,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, there's apparently early evidence of it, but they

2688
02:17:35,479 --> 02:17:38,559
did not emphasize it anywhere near as much through the night.

2689
02:17:38,680 --> 02:17:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean, once you, once you, I mean, I'll uh.

2690
02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:44,520
It is hard. I will say this though. What really

2691
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:47,440
bothers me more than the more than the two feet thing,

2692
02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:51,719
more than the two feet thing. What bothers me is

2693
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:56,680
when somebody is somebody clears the ring. Yeah, when you

2694
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:59,440
clear the ring, if you're like hanging onto the rope

2695
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:03,879
like Sean Michaels did, I can kind of I can

2696
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:07,360
see that as being somewhat even though I still think

2697
02:18:07,399 --> 02:18:10,600
it's bullshit. I'm willing to excuse that. But when you've

2698
02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:15,239
got fucking uh Naomi who is on the fucking announced

2699
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:21,239
table and hasn't touched feet, that's bullshit. You are cleared

2700
02:18:21,239 --> 02:18:25,440
from that ring. You have been cleared. To me, more

2701
02:18:25,479 --> 02:18:27,840
to do with It's got more to do with the

2702
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:33,799
fact that your foot hit the floor and you you

2703
02:18:33,879 --> 02:18:36,600
let go of the ring. You let go of that

2704
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:39,719
ring rope, like you're no longer struggling to stay in.

2705
02:18:39,799 --> 02:18:42,159
Speaker 1: We're not connected to the ring anymore. Yeah, right, you're

2706
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:44,879
floating right outside of the field of play. You're out

2707
02:18:44,920 --> 02:18:48,239
of bounds. Essentially, you can't make a catch out of bounds,

2708
02:18:48,239 --> 02:18:52,559
even if you're standing. Yeah, it's it's it's It gets

2709
02:18:52,600 --> 02:18:55,239
on my nerves too, because it was creative for a while,

2710
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:57,079
but now it's like every year everyone waits for the

2711
02:18:57,079 --> 02:19:00,760
spot and that's annoying, right. Shout out to Andrew for

2712
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:03,920
bumping up to the moat teer. We appreciated, Austin says

2713
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,440
regarding breakfast sand, which is yes, a great breakfast sand,

2714
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:10,600
which is amazing. However, a great breakfast taco burrito absolutely

2715
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:14,719
properly will change hundred life absolutely, no question, he says.

2716
02:19:14,760 --> 02:19:16,840
JP's description is really good, but I have to say

2717
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:18,920
top three thing I miss about living in Texas is

2718
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:22,000
the ridiculous availability of top quality breakfast tacos, not only

2719
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:24,440
from the usual taco restaurants, but more importantly at hole

2720
02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:26,280
in the wall joints connected to gas stations where you

2721
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:27,319
get the real amazing stuff.

2722
02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:29,559
Speaker 2: Great. Oh yes, now I'm hungry with zero good taco

2723
02:19:29,559 --> 02:19:31,959
spots around me in northern Virginia. Yes, sorry, Austin, that's

2724
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:34,600
the name goes, and I gotta make my own burritos

2725
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:38,360
all day breakfast tacos. Oh, I love breakfast burritos. Holy shit.

2726
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:42,120
If you do, you get a breakfast burrito, all right,

2727
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:47,520
and you got? I mean I like sometimes I like

2728
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:50,600
a crazy one, no question, but more often than not,

2729
02:19:50,799 --> 02:19:56,879
all I like in a breakfast burrito is eggs, bacon, cheese,

2730
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:02,520
and potatoes, all right, and if you've got the right

2731
02:20:04,520 --> 02:20:09,440
amount of both ingredients, I put what I like to do.

2732
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:12,319
I put a little bit of like I'll cut it

2733
02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:15,239
in half, all right, and I'll put a little bit

2734
02:20:15,239 --> 02:20:17,879
of sour cream on on part of it. And then

2735
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:22,440
I put usually it's my own, my homemade salsa, and

2736
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:26,120
I'll put it on. Take that bite, forget it, forget it,

2737
02:20:26,879 --> 02:20:31,040
forget it. So I'll tell you what. I'm not crazy

2738
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:34,440
enough to have two. But when I'm done, I want

2739
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:40,000
another one. And I get big ass fucking flower tortillas

2740
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:43,520
like I'm not like the like like like kind of

2741
02:20:43,559 --> 02:20:46,840
the size that we had at the fucking Mexican place

2742
02:20:46,879 --> 02:20:55,520
in Brooklyn. All right, yeah, exactly, and I want another one.

2743
02:20:55,760 --> 02:21:01,879
I want another one. Potatoes, bacon, and it's it. Yeah,

2744
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:06,479
that's it. I'm gonna have one tomorrow. That's it my

2745
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:08,520
fucking morning. Now, do you have all the ingredients you

2746
02:21:08,520 --> 02:21:11,399
get to go? Get? Absolutely, I'm ready to go. Wow,

2747
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:15,000
fucking nail that ship, my man.

2748
02:21:15,479 --> 02:21:18,760
Speaker 1: That's how we fucking live around here. But Austin does

2749
02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:20,840
write hard disagree on one thing. Hot sauce is a

2750
02:21:20,879 --> 02:21:24,079
requirement for a great breakfast sandwich taco burrito. Maybe that's

2751
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:24,680
the textan in me.

2752
02:21:24,760 --> 02:21:30,920
Speaker 2: Shit for burrito, Yes, not for a sandwich. Depends depends again.

2753
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:33,639
Sometimes I like to go crazy, like there's some places

2754
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:38,280
nearby they've got like a you know, uh volcano breakfast

2755
02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:39,799
sandwich or whatever, and it's like, okay, you know I

2756
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:43,000
have that. It's got like jalapenos and mix it with

2757
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:45,719
the egg and it's like good hot sauce and great. Fine.

2758
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:48,879
I'll do that every now and again. But in terms

2759
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:55,319
of day to day no, not in a breakfast sandwich.

2760
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:59,680
Like if I'm gonna do just fucking English muffin, bake

2761
02:21:59,719 --> 02:22:06,000
an egg and cheese, it's with grill the English muffin,

2762
02:22:07,159 --> 02:22:09,680
you know, like you do it a fucking New England diner.

2763
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:15,840
Se I don't know. Not everyone grilled English means like

2764
02:22:16,159 --> 02:22:18,559
if you go to I remember the first time I

2765
02:22:18,639 --> 02:22:21,159
was like embarrassed when my fucking parents would ask for

2766
02:22:21,159 --> 02:22:24,559
a grilled English at a at a at a diner

2767
02:22:24,799 --> 02:22:29,159
in LA They're gonna actually like, no, you can't, They're

2768
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,520
gonna put it on the grill. If they're actually gonna

2769
02:22:31,559 --> 02:22:33,559
grill it, like it's not it's not what you think

2770
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:36,040
it is. They're gonna put it on the grill where

2771
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:38,719
they make the fucking burgers, and you're gonna have lines

2772
02:22:38,760 --> 02:22:42,280
on it. They're not putting butter on it and pressing

2773
02:22:42,360 --> 02:22:44,440
down with it with a fucking spatula to make it

2774
02:22:44,559 --> 02:22:52,360
flat and crunchy. That's again so grilled English, very specific, okay,

2775
02:22:52,639 --> 02:22:54,719
very You have to cut it. You can't fork o.

2776
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:57,319
You can't just pull it open. You can't pull it open.

2777
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:01,239
You get to slice the the English muffin with a

2778
02:23:01,319 --> 02:23:06,479
knife so that both sides are flat, the insides are flat.

2779
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:11,680
You put butter on the on the sides of the

2780
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:15,719
uncooked English muffin, and then you fucking put that down

2781
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:17,799
on your pan or if you're looking up to have

2782
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:20,559
a griddle, you put it down there and you and

2783
02:23:20,639 --> 02:23:25,040
you gotta have something to just put some pressure on it. Unbelievable,

2784
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:28,760
so that that that everything that's you know, it's got butter,

2785
02:23:28,840 --> 02:23:34,319
so it creates this crunchy surface. You put a fucking

2786
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:37,399
you put bacon, egg and cheese and that ship. Forget it, man,

2787
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:41,040
forget it. I went out of that as well tomorrow.

2788
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:45,360
And the fucking breakfast burrito. Yeah, no fucks given, let's

2789
02:23:45,399 --> 02:23:52,239
get it, oh ship, it's all about breakfast sandwiches. Man, Oh,

2790
02:23:52,479 --> 02:23:54,719
it really is. You can you can survive your whole

2791
02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:58,440
life on breakfast sandwich, like late in the morning, like

2792
02:23:58,559 --> 02:24:03,719
count me in. Oh, there's some listen. I'm sometimes you know,

2793
02:24:04,079 --> 02:24:06,440
I don't. I don't usually do it, but if i'm

2794
02:24:06,559 --> 02:24:10,959
if I'm home alone for dinner, dude, do it, no question,

2795
02:24:11,079 --> 02:24:16,600
fire it up. Yep, yep, Because I got to make

2796
02:24:16,639 --> 02:24:19,000
three meals in my house anyway for my fucking family.

2797
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:22,159
I'm not like, I won't necessarily do that. I'll try

2798
02:24:22,200 --> 02:24:24,360
to keep one of I'll try to keep my meal

2799
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:27,920
to be something like the other meals, but usually with

2800
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:31,000
with meat. But no, I'm I'm cooking three meals for

2801
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,760
everybody every fucking night. Yeah, that's the way it works.

2802
02:24:34,079 --> 02:24:37,879
That's so much and we're all the beneficiaries. Yeah.

2803
02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:41,319
Speaker 1: Having tasted the Thanksgiving sandwich for it, h great, heavenly

2804
02:24:41,879 --> 02:24:43,760
uh Neil Wrights, I guess I always had trouble see

2805
02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:45,639
Shawn Michaels with the belt in nineteen ninety six, this,

2806
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:47,600
of course in reference to Rowbald ninety six, which we

2807
02:24:47,639 --> 02:24:49,600
did this year. I understood at the time that they

2808
02:24:49,639 --> 02:24:52,040
were positioning him as this Michael Jordan ESK human highlight reel,

2809
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:53,559
and there was some appeal to that kind of guy.

2810
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:56,159
Being the WWF standard bearer, you could certainly do worse

2811
02:24:56,200 --> 02:24:58,239
than pushing someone who is so exciting to watch. But

2812
02:24:58,280 --> 02:24:59,760
I think I even knew back then that it was

2813
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:02,799
more jab at WCW having Savage and Hogan than Vince

2814
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:05,360
believing he had found the guy who could lead his company.

2815
02:25:05,399 --> 02:25:07,840
Our guys are younger and more athletic, et cetera. They

2816
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:10,319
were even airing new generation ads that attacked older styles

2817
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:12,520
of wrestling had on. They sure were seeing him in

2818
02:25:12,520 --> 02:25:14,239
the Rumble and the rest of his nineteen ninety six

2819
02:25:14,239 --> 02:25:16,079
Sean is an athlete performer is such a big part

2820
02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:18,319
of the presentation, but it feels like they are masking

2821
02:25:18,360 --> 02:25:21,280
the truth that everything else isn't working that well. The

2822
02:25:21,319 --> 02:25:23,719
promos angles character work aren't very good, and even if

2823
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:25,799
the matches are exciting, you don't really care about the

2824
02:25:25,799 --> 02:25:29,719
people Sean is wrestling. Yeah, I think that becomes true

2825
02:25:29,719 --> 02:25:31,239
when Diesel leaves. I think they would have had a

2826
02:25:31,239 --> 02:25:34,280
hell of a program if Diesel stuck around. Yeah, I

2827
02:25:34,280 --> 02:25:35,840
think they could have gone a SummerSlam with that thing,

2828
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:37,600
And I think he could have worked a Razor too,

2829
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:40,879
you know, yep, oh yeah, the world title Razor turns

2830
02:25:40,920 --> 02:25:44,440
heel on him or something. He never had a had

2831
02:25:44,440 --> 02:25:50,440
a world title after after Brett A. Razor never wrestled

2832
02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:51,639
for the world title again. That would have been a

2833
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:55,079
great program, like Turn Turn Razor heel. He needed that

2834
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:58,120
so bad at that point. Oh yeah, that was the time, like.

2835
02:25:58,159 --> 02:26:02,399
Speaker 2: He was so he was so stale late ninety five

2836
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:06,159
through ninety six, he was so fucking stale.

2837
02:26:07,799 --> 02:26:09,600
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason Sean was so despondent,

2838
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:11,040
as he's talked about in his book and other things

2839
02:26:11,079 --> 02:26:14,079
about Kevin and Scott leaving, because they had built the

2840
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:18,360
whole that they had established a way of running the WWF.

2841
02:26:18,399 --> 02:26:21,040
The clique did such that you know, they really found

2842
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:23,200
ways to only work with each other, and if they

2843
02:26:23,239 --> 02:26:24,920
stepped out of that, it was for a very limited

2844
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:27,239
period of time and they eventually through some kind of

2845
02:26:27,239 --> 02:26:29,479
fit like a Dean Douglas or something. You know, it

2846
02:26:29,559 --> 02:26:31,920
just didn't It never worked out unless they were working

2847
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:34,159
against each other. And if they were working against each other,

2848
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:36,120
they were motivated and it was all good in the

2849
02:26:36,120 --> 02:26:37,879
hood and it was good stuff. You know, they would

2850
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:40,840
go out and really really try hard on promos and matches,

2851
02:26:41,239 --> 02:26:42,639
and I think Sean could have had that kind of

2852
02:26:42,680 --> 02:26:45,239
ninety six if those two guys were there, But without them,

2853
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:47,680
all of a sudden, he's casting about trying to find

2854
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:49,680
people to work with. You know, Davy is someone he

2855
02:26:49,799 --> 02:26:53,000
was close with, in particular, someone he could score drugs

2856
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:54,399
with back in the day. I remember Davy was the

2857
02:26:54,399 --> 02:26:55,719
one who was there when he got beat up by

2858
02:26:55,719 --> 02:26:58,639
the Marines. Not not Hollan Nash they were overseas at

2859
02:26:58,639 --> 02:27:01,319
the time, or even Kid. You know, I'm not sure

2860
02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:02,719
he would have had a great program with one to

2861
02:27:02,799 --> 02:27:04,680
three Kid, but he was gone by the middle of

2862
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:05,159
ninety six.

2863
02:27:05,360 --> 02:27:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure would have been I'm sure would have been

2864
02:27:06,719 --> 02:27:09,920
good matches, yeah, but for sure again, but Kid was not.

2865
02:27:10,719 --> 02:27:14,399
I mean, Kid was nowhere near main event level, even

2866
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:15,680
on his fucking best day.

2867
02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:18,040
Speaker 1: So even if they were people, even like Vader, that

2868
02:27:18,079 --> 02:27:20,680
the fans could be led to care about, I think

2869
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:23,920
it's I think Sean would admit that he wasn't. He

2870
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:27,600
wasn't in the headspace to accept those guys as guys

2871
02:27:27,639 --> 02:27:30,719
he would really help elevate as much as he would

2872
02:27:30,760 --> 02:27:33,159
if it was his buddies working against him. You know, ye,

2873
02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:35,040
he was hitting a wall just as much as the

2874
02:27:35,079 --> 02:27:38,799
fans were in terms of perception. He was really doubting himself,

2875
02:27:38,879 --> 02:27:42,159
you know, throughout nineteen ninety six. Matt Anderson, thank you

2876
02:27:42,280 --> 02:27:44,680
very much for the pledge. You appreciate that. Chris writes

2877
02:27:44,719 --> 02:27:46,879
imagining the person who saw TLF winning the award for

2878
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:49,760
Best Wrestling Podcast and hearing a thirty minute discussion on

2879
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:53,200
breakfast sand which is you heard another one, and what

2880
02:27:53,239 --> 02:27:54,959
that person's reaction is, Now, I need to go get

2881
02:27:54,959 --> 02:27:56,760
some bagels to make a late dinner. See that's the

2882
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:58,840
point that so what we're saying, that's it. That's it,

2883
02:27:59,479 --> 02:28:01,879
Chris Man. It's tip from my fellow Englishman. When making

2884
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:04,959
yourself a breakfast bag at, get yourself a tiger stick

2885
02:28:05,000 --> 02:28:09,079
from Cyose Bakery. Slice it horizontal, remove the bread so

2886
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:11,399
you're basically left with a crusty shell. Fill it with

2887
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:15,920
sausage and bacon. Less bread equals more pork. Complete game changer.

2888
02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:21,200
They know sausage over there.

2889
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:26,200
Speaker 2: They do. They do? Remember how remember how Subway used

2890
02:28:26,200 --> 02:28:29,159
to cut their sandwiches? No, remember that, you remember that

2891
02:28:29,319 --> 02:28:32,079
what they used to do? I don't know what happened,

2892
02:28:32,079 --> 02:28:33,920
Probably they're just like, all right, let's just fucking be

2893
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:36,319
normal here. But what they used to do, instead of

2894
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:38,760
slicing it down the middle like a normal fucking sandwich,

2895
02:28:39,239 --> 02:28:41,600
what they would do is they'd cut the top offs

2896
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:43,799
and they had like kind of like a they'd create

2897
02:28:43,920 --> 02:28:48,120
like a a valley of sorts where they'd kind of

2898
02:28:48,159 --> 02:28:50,840
stuff it in and then they'd put the cutout piece

2899
02:28:50,879 --> 02:28:54,040
on top. And it was a weird little thing, but

2900
02:28:54,079 --> 02:28:57,799
that was the subway side instead of cutting in. But

2901
02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:00,840
they create this like little hold wouldn't take out more

2902
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:02,760
of the bread, but that's you know, it's not a

2903
02:29:02,799 --> 02:29:04,879
bad idea. You know, just pull out some of the

2904
02:29:05,479 --> 02:29:08,120
some of the bag at bread and just you have

2905
02:29:08,200 --> 02:29:13,719
more room and it kind of stores stores, you know, meat, eggs, cheeses,

2906
02:29:13,799 --> 02:29:17,200
whatever a lot better. Today it's a nice less gluten

2907
02:29:17,239 --> 02:29:19,360
option as well. Yeah, it's like a.

2908
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Big thing is like how can we people People know

2909
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:24,040
bagels or some of the most delicious food in the world,

2910
02:29:24,079 --> 02:29:26,120
but there are people who just they can't They just

2911
02:29:26,239 --> 02:29:27,920
can't eat something that they think is going to make

2912
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:30,000
them fat. They just can't do it. So we have

2913
02:29:30,040 --> 02:29:32,760
to find ways to make bagels without gluten, or we

2914
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:34,479
have to scoop them out like we do in l A.

2915
02:29:34,639 --> 02:29:36,399
Speaker 2: You know, like or you could, you know, you could

2916
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:38,040
do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up

2917
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:40,239
and stuck out eat your fucking bagel.

2918
02:29:40,600 --> 02:29:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, It's like, if you have to

2919
02:29:42,079 --> 02:29:43,959
do that, you're acknowledging that, like.

2920
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:47,479
Speaker 2: They're the perfect food. So why are you fucking with it? If?

2921
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:49,319
If I understand, you know, I know that people who

2922
02:29:49,319 --> 02:29:54,360
have gluten and I'm not excluding that, I'm not yeah,

2923
02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:56,280
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fucking

2924
02:29:56,319 --> 02:29:59,920
idiots who who because I mean, I think I've even

2925
02:30:00,239 --> 02:30:01,959
too that it doesn't really actually it's not actually a

2926
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:05,879
good diet to lose weight anyway, take out gluten. It's

2927
02:30:05,879 --> 02:30:07,959
like it's not necessarily one that works.

2928
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:09,879
Speaker 1: Just to wait, you know, if you think you've got

2929
02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:12,760
it to wait six months, right, someone will find a

2930
02:30:12,760 --> 02:30:15,360
way to make money off offering you the exact opposite advice.

2931
02:30:16,079 --> 02:30:18,959
And they will also be on steroids, by the way, Right,

2932
02:30:19,559 --> 02:30:20,360
it's not that complicated.

2933
02:30:20,360 --> 02:30:22,159
Speaker 2: Everybody's on steroids. Everybody's on steroid.

2934
02:30:22,159 --> 02:30:25,200
Speaker 1: Everybody you think you can look like it's on steroids.

2935
02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:29,680
That's trying to sell you. You know, sell you something

2936
02:30:29,719 --> 02:30:33,879
that's you know, the opposite or counterintuitive, you know, or

2937
02:30:33,959 --> 02:30:37,799
or highly complicated. Highly complicated, you're got to get up

2938
02:30:37,799 --> 02:30:40,200
at three thirty in the morning. It's like, okay, that's enough.

2939
02:30:40,239 --> 02:30:43,959
Thank you, Simon. I think he nails it. He says,

2940
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:47,840
Sports podcast awards make a mistake letting the lapsed fan

2941
02:30:47,879 --> 02:30:51,440
and the debates. M Ain't that the truth? That it

2942
02:30:51,559 --> 02:30:53,040
better for us not even to put our name in

2943
02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:54,600
the hat, because you know what happens once we do.

2944
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:58,360
Daniel James Dunn, thank you very much for your generous pledge.

2945
02:30:58,399 --> 02:31:03,559
We appreciate it. Brian writes to us, that's just I'm sorry,

2946
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:06,000
it's Todd. Pardon me. He goes by Todd dear co

2947
02:31:06,159 --> 02:31:09,879
chairs after the last two TLF releases, mentioning the fabulous Mula.

2948
02:31:09,959 --> 02:31:11,559
I have to mention that here in the city she

2949
02:31:11,639 --> 02:31:14,040
lived in, she was a bit of a celebrity. The road,

2950
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:16,879
of course, to which her home sat, was named in

2951
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:19,920
her honor. Boss, have you ever seen Mula drive before?

2952
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:23,280
That's a World Heritage site. Take a good look at it.

2953
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:29,440
That and Fritz Lane right down in Dallas Lake Dallas. Yep,

2954
02:31:29,559 --> 02:31:31,760
that should be there. Since her death in twenty oh seven.

2955
02:31:31,879 --> 02:31:33,719
The property has passed through many hands until the house

2956
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,360
burned down in twenty twenty one. The burnt remains are

2957
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:39,319
still there. There's a local restaurant chain that displays her

2958
02:31:39,399 --> 02:31:41,479
WW book. The Fabulous Mulah first got us of the

2959
02:31:41,479 --> 02:31:44,120
squared circle in a display case but facing away from

2960
02:31:44,200 --> 02:31:44,920
general view.

2961
02:31:44,959 --> 02:31:48,000
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny. Yeah, so that's a I can imagine that.

2962
02:31:48,120 --> 02:31:50,399
You know, a lot of shit comes out about her

2963
02:31:50,440 --> 02:31:52,319
and it's like, no, maybe we should you think that's

2964
02:31:52,360 --> 02:31:54,559
what it was. They downplayed it. Yeah, we should kind

2965
02:31:54,559 --> 02:31:56,600
of ma return this around a little bit so it's

2966
02:31:56,639 --> 02:31:58,360
not in public.

2967
02:31:58,760 --> 02:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Was in Lapstom Todd, thank you for that one, Bud.

2968
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Wow, that's funny.

2969
02:32:02,440 --> 02:32:04,719
Speaker 1: Chad Linquist, thank you for the increase in pledge show

2970
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:08,959
and we deeply appreciate that and your support. Zach has

2971
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:10,120
a whole Royal Rumble thing.

2972
02:32:10,159 --> 02:32:10,319
Speaker 2: Man.

2973
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:12,840
Speaker 1: He was fired up and we didn't get it in

2974
02:32:12,879 --> 02:32:14,719
before he went. I hope he had a great time,

2975
02:32:15,399 --> 02:32:17,120
but he was headed to the Rumble this year and

2976
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,319
he wanted Voss to let us know all about it.

2977
02:32:19,360 --> 02:32:21,200
Please take it away on behalf of all, right, Zach.

2978
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:24,920
Speaker 2: Here we go on behalf of Zack Holy shit, dear

2979
02:32:24,959 --> 02:32:27,680
co chairs, I'm very excited to let you guys know

2980
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:29,479
that I am going to the Royal Rumble this year. Now,

2981
02:32:29,559 --> 02:32:31,559
normally I wouldn't send you something like this. I have

2982
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:35,959
been to countless shows, just like the next fan, but

2983
02:32:36,079 --> 02:32:39,799
this is different. Ever since the moment I had become

2984
02:32:39,799 --> 02:32:43,399
a fan, I have been memorized, mesmerized by the Rumble,

2985
02:32:43,440 --> 02:32:45,399
just like UJP. The Royal Rumble nine ninety one was

2986
02:32:45,440 --> 02:32:48,079
the first show I had ever seen. I started watching

2987
02:32:48,079 --> 02:32:50,239
in ninety eight ninety nine as an eight year old,

2988
02:32:50,239 --> 02:32:52,959
but this was the first show I rented and saw

2989
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:56,399
the love of Hulk Hogan and the artwork alone drew

2990
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:59,120
me in. I mean, dude, the fact that you could

2991
02:32:59,239 --> 02:33:04,000
find fucking ninety one Rumble in ninety eighty nine is

2992
02:33:04,879 --> 02:33:08,920
actually real, absolutely yeah, because I remember it was not

2993
02:33:09,079 --> 02:33:11,959
easy to find older, not that I was looking for

2994
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:15,440
him per se, because I was so like jaded and like,

2995
02:33:15,479 --> 02:33:16,959
oh no, I don't want that old shit, I want

2996
02:33:16,959 --> 02:33:20,399
them new, real stuff. Yep. But you know the fact

2997
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:23,000
that you were able to find that is really remarking.

2998
02:33:23,159 --> 02:33:24,920
Speaker 1: You had to find a video store that didn't really

2999
02:33:24,920 --> 02:33:27,280
turn inventory. They just kept stuff forever.

3000
02:33:27,639 --> 02:33:34,840
Speaker 2: Yep, that's crazy. Uh. The lore of the Love of

3001
02:33:35,239 --> 02:33:37,280
the Lore, Law of Hogan and the artwork alone drew

3002
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:39,600
me in one of the most underrated rumbles in history,

3003
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:42,079
I agree. Even if Knobs was in the final three,

3004
02:33:42,360 --> 02:33:44,680
that show was the springboard to my fandom. It was

3005
02:33:44,719 --> 02:33:48,600
a renting spree for life from there. Next I went

3006
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:51,239
into the eighty nine Rumble. I didn't know how to

3007
02:33:51,319 --> 02:33:53,879
duplicate tapes of the time. Then later it was pulled

3008
02:33:53,879 --> 02:33:56,120
from my video store due to being too old. I

3009
02:33:56,120 --> 02:33:58,840
guess yes, So it was all but a vague memory.

3010
02:33:58,879 --> 02:34:02,319
Mostly mostly just remember the unforgettable moment of Jake busting

3011
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:07,239
out the snake on Andre, Brother, bust on your snake

3012
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:12,040
on Andre? Dude? What cock dude Brother, seeing him terrified,

3013
02:34:12,600 --> 02:34:15,319
the epic start with acts and smash charting still to

3014
02:34:15,319 --> 02:34:17,600
this day, the greatest start to any rumble in history,

3015
02:34:17,959 --> 02:34:20,799
and seeing the boss Man for the first time, and

3016
02:34:20,879 --> 02:34:24,280
my five year old brother Nick saying that that was

3017
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:28,319
his favorite because he was a policeman. From there it

3018
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:31,360
was the ninety three to ninety four rumbles. Austin and

3019
02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:33,959
Hogan were my favorites at the time, but Brett quickly

3020
02:34:34,680 --> 02:34:39,280
rose up My rankings as I concurrently watched these old

3021
02:34:39,319 --> 02:34:42,360
tapes along with discovering Nitro and Raw. At the same time,

3022
02:34:42,559 --> 02:34:44,360
I got to watch my first live show at my

3023
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:48,079
uncle's The Royal Rumble nineteen ninety nine. I was playing

3024
02:34:48,120 --> 02:34:50,719
with my cousin throughout the night, but I vividly remember

3025
02:34:50,920 --> 02:34:54,360
Mankind being thrown off the balcony by the rock under

3026
02:34:54,399 --> 02:34:57,440
the exploding entrance equipment. This was is one of my

3027
02:34:57,479 --> 02:35:00,680
favorite matches of all time. M full too. He loves

3028
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:07,440
that match, loves that match so much. Right then, my

3029
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:10,920
other family friend taped this along with sold Out ninety

3030
02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:14,559
nine for me. So this was the first pay per

3031
02:35:14,639 --> 02:35:17,079
view tape I ever owned. You guys know how that

3032
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,760
is no matter how weird or bad the show is,

3033
02:35:19,879 --> 02:35:24,920
it's your show, right, I agree, I mean, listen, that's

3034
02:35:24,959 --> 02:35:28,639
the only that is the reason why I can love

3035
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:32,840
an awful show at the ninety three Rol Rumble, because

3036
02:35:32,879 --> 02:35:35,079
that was my first ever pay per view and I

3037
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:38,440
and I kept it that way like it was. I

3038
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:42,479
didn't even ask right to buy like I was. So

3039
02:35:44,680 --> 02:35:48,680
I was so enamored by the idea of the Royal

3040
02:35:48,760 --> 02:35:53,120
Rumble that and I wanted to you know, I wanted

3041
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:58,799
so badly to buy the ninety two Rumble, but I said,

3042
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:02,000
I don't want another show, like I want my first

3043
02:36:02,079 --> 02:36:07,079
pay per view to be a Royal Rumble. And that's

3044
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:11,959
what it was, and I'm okay with that. I like

3045
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:15,440
that show, and to me, it is a It is

3046
02:36:15,479 --> 02:36:18,159
another tour de force performance by Bobby the Brainheenen and

3047
02:36:18,239 --> 02:36:24,520
that's all I need. No matter how weird about the

3048
02:36:24,559 --> 02:36:27,520
show is, it's your show. You may say Vince winning

3049
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:29,600
was weak, but you have to admit it was a

3050
02:36:29,719 --> 02:36:33,680
very original idea, the ultimate swerve bro Austin and Vince

3051
02:36:33,719 --> 02:36:35,600
starting off the match fighting in the bathroom in the

3052
02:36:35,639 --> 02:36:38,040
middle of the match, then Vince winning. We all knew

3053
02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:40,159
it was a foregune conclusion. Austin was winning in main

3054
02:36:40,200 --> 02:36:46,760
eventing mania, Ah right, I know. It was like I

3055
02:36:46,799 --> 02:36:52,000
was like, there's no way he can't win. But how's he?

3056
02:36:52,239 --> 02:36:53,879
You know, are they really going to put a guy

3057
02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:56,440
over the Rumble three years in a row like that

3058
02:36:56,719 --> 02:37:00,360
never happened three years in a row. That's crazy talk.

3059
02:37:00,719 --> 02:37:03,680
That'd be something. I think it would have been something. Honestly,

3060
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:05,120
I think that would have been a great idea actually,

3061
02:37:05,159 --> 02:37:07,959
But I mean, obviously you get a swear bro I understand.

3062
02:37:08,840 --> 02:37:11,319
Royal Robot two thousand was another early recording I owned

3063
02:37:11,440 --> 02:37:14,479
by my other U, my other uncle, with the beginning

3064
02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:17,200
of the tape showing an infomercial for five seconds saying

3065
02:37:17,559 --> 02:37:20,879
have you been called fat or fatty? Oh my god? What?

3066
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:26,760
Oh man? I love those fucking like still even those

3067
02:37:26,799 --> 02:37:30,799
two thousand, late ninety barely two thousand like late nineties commercials,

3068
02:37:30,879 --> 02:37:36,040
just like so awful. Then it quickly cut to the show.

3069
02:37:36,719 --> 02:37:39,799
Fellow Laps fan Damien and I still laugh about this

3070
02:37:39,879 --> 02:37:42,280
to this day. It also had another one of my

3071
02:37:42,319 --> 02:37:45,600
favorite matches of all time, Cactus versus Triple H. I

3072
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:48,159
went to a SmackDown in two thousand as well, the

3073
02:37:48,159 --> 02:37:50,120
first show I ever went to. I was there when

3074
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:53,719
Mankind turned into Cactus Jack and beat Triple H's ass.

3075
02:37:54,280 --> 02:37:56,600
This moment played in the promo package at the Rumble,

3076
02:37:56,600 --> 02:37:59,760
and I would always say I was there. I also

3077
02:38:00,159 --> 02:38:02,959
bought the rock shirt that said layeth the smacketh down

3078
02:38:03,079 --> 02:38:06,120
on your candy ass. My mom was so pissed off,

3079
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:08,159
pissed that my uncle let me buy this and made

3080
02:38:08,239 --> 02:38:12,799
him laminate black all over the word ass. I love that.

3081
02:38:13,559 --> 02:38:17,079
It's like my mom with the fucking James Bond have that. Nah, uh,

3082
02:38:17,120 --> 02:38:19,000
you're going to a Catholic school, No way you can

3083
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:24,559
have that. Woman's took us hanging out there. I actually,

3084
02:38:24,639 --> 02:38:26,399
you know, I got you know what I used to like.

3085
02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:28,719
One of my favorite shirts that they would do was

3086
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:33,159
whatever city they were going to, they would print rock

3087
02:38:33,239 --> 02:38:36,600
shirts that said finally the rock has come back too

3088
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:38,559
on the front and on the back it was the

3089
02:38:38,559 --> 02:38:40,840
city that they were in, And so I liked that.

3090
02:38:40,920 --> 02:38:46,120
I mean, I got woolster, but like for the most

3091
02:38:46,200 --> 02:38:51,319
money making machine, it really was because like I was like, yeah,

3092
02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:53,600
I wish it was Boston, but we were in Worcester,

3093
02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:56,799
you know, Wasster Centrum after the two thousand and King

3094
02:38:56,840 --> 02:39:00,639
of the Ring. So that was that. And I remember

3095
02:39:00,719 --> 02:39:03,000
watching this show for the first time in the basement.

3096
02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:05,479
It was rare that my whole family would hang out

3097
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:08,079
down there. It was a true I was a true

3098
02:39:08,120 --> 02:39:11,319
basement dweller. But we had our family computer down there,

3099
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:15,479
the gateway two thousand. Holy shit, that's a computer if

3100
02:39:15,479 --> 02:39:18,600
I ever heard one. Old school. My parents happened to

3101
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:22,200
be down there when the Bikini Contest came on because

3102
02:39:22,239 --> 02:39:25,000
it was the live recording. It showed May Young showing

3103
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:29,760
her saggy tested with a good three second lag time

3104
02:39:29,840 --> 02:39:34,399
for the censor twice. My mom was like, what is this?

3105
02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:38,040
I was mortified. My mom didn't even let me watch

3106
02:39:38,120 --> 02:39:40,760
MTV because of the women in the music videos, so

3107
02:39:40,799 --> 02:39:43,399
I didn't know how she would react to this, But

3108
02:39:43,479 --> 02:39:46,319
for some reason, she just made a joke out of it,

3109
02:39:46,399 --> 02:39:49,520
bringing it up off and on for years to come.

3110
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:52,040
She didn't ban my nine year old self at the

3111
02:39:52,040 --> 02:39:54,920
time for watching it. And of course the two thousand

3112
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:57,440
and one Rumbled, my favorite of all time, Jeff and

3113
02:39:57,479 --> 02:40:00,639
Matt fighting in the beginning and Matt reacting a whole

3114
02:40:00,719 --> 02:40:04,079
two seconds after getting hit. I don't know that's funny.

3115
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,920
I don't even remember that. Actually, the hardcore moments, the

3116
02:40:06,959 --> 02:40:09,000
star Power with some of my favorites of all time,

3117
02:40:09,079 --> 02:40:11,440
Stone Cold, the Rock of the Undertaker, and of course

3118
02:40:11,479 --> 02:40:14,719
the Man Austin winning for the third time. Needless to say,

3119
02:40:14,760 --> 02:40:17,559
the Royal Rumble, but I still hate the end. I

3120
02:40:17,559 --> 02:40:20,079
agree it could have been the greatest rumble of all time,

3121
02:40:21,440 --> 02:40:24,360
but that finished with him fucking using the chair over

3122
02:40:24,399 --> 02:40:27,440
and over and over again. I'm Caine, I hate that. Yeah,

3123
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:30,600
like that, that's how he wins. He smashes a chair

3124
02:40:30,760 --> 02:40:33,559
over Caine's head and that's what dumps him over the

3125
02:40:33,559 --> 02:40:37,200
top rope. It's kind of goofy. I hate it. I

3126
02:40:37,239 --> 02:40:40,280
hate it. That's why I hate the ending of WrestleMania seventeen.

3127
02:40:40,639 --> 02:40:43,559
I hate the fact that he doesn't win with a

3128
02:40:43,559 --> 02:40:47,120
stunner that he fucking just uses. I know, storyline purposes,

3129
02:40:47,239 --> 02:40:53,479
great whatever, but yeah, that worked out. He sucks. Fucking sucks.

3130
02:40:54,639 --> 02:40:58,440
It's like that should have been, that should have been

3131
02:40:58,799 --> 02:41:05,600
really just unbelievable moments. But it's all.

3132
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:08,440
Speaker 1: Downhill from there. I mean, it was have zagged and

3133
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:09,959
sometimes you can't recover from that.

3134
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:15,920
Speaker 2: Like that fucking idiot Austin paranoid is ship like calm down,

3135
02:41:16,559 --> 02:41:21,600
I know, like he stale. I can feel it. Yeah,

3136
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:26,639
you know what. He fucking destroyed his own his own character.

3137
02:41:27,639 --> 02:41:32,120
He destroyed Steve Austin. Amazing. It's not talked about enough.

3138
02:41:32,799 --> 02:41:35,479
It isn't that he did it. Isn't that he did it,

3139
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:39,760
because it was never the same after that, it was

3140
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:40,440
never the same.

3141
02:41:40,559 --> 02:41:43,000
Speaker 1: He had like five six more years left as that

3142
02:41:43,959 --> 02:41:46,319
Texas Texas rattlesnake that we all need kicking ass.

3143
02:41:46,360 --> 02:41:48,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he went back to it. You know that's

3144
02:41:48,159 --> 02:41:51,360
the proof, right, but it but you know what, it

3145
02:41:51,399 --> 02:41:53,799
wasn't the same. It wasn't By the time he came

3146
02:41:53,840 --> 02:41:56,559
back to it, he was like third from the top, right,

3147
02:41:56,959 --> 02:41:59,920
and then he's fucking mid caarting with with Scott Hall.

3148
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:07,440
Yeah he I mean, what was I mean? I guess

3149
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:09,440
the last show he made event it would have been

3150
02:42:11,399 --> 02:42:13,959
Survivor Series, right, he didn't made event another show after that?

3151
02:42:14,319 --> 02:42:17,399
Are you talking about two thousand versaries? That's where he

3152
02:42:17,440 --> 02:42:20,680
got hit by Rakishi series Versaries two thousand?

3153
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:26,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Winner take All if you consider him.

3154
02:42:26,680 --> 02:42:30,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, he did. He did made event with with Jericho.

3155
02:42:30,639 --> 02:42:33,239
Jericho would have been the last one, no way out.

3156
02:42:33,479 --> 02:42:36,319
That would have been the last main event. Unreal. That's

3157
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:43,639
crazy until WrestleMania with Kevin Owens made event at Night one.

3158
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:50,520
Yeah he's a main event right, yeah, other rioter. I

3159
02:42:50,520 --> 02:42:52,159
needless to say that Roll Rumbo is my favorite show of

3160
02:42:52,159 --> 02:42:54,399
all time. The Rumble is wrestling for me. I used

3161
02:42:54,440 --> 02:42:57,040
to play every Rumble match in a row from ninety

3162
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:59,280
one the earliest I had to whatever the current one

3163
02:42:59,360 --> 02:43:02,079
was in two thousands. I had other tapes, but these

3164
02:43:02,079 --> 02:43:04,559
were always the go tos YEP So with all the

3165
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:07,799
anticipation leading up to this year's Rumble, you guys inspired

3166
02:43:07,840 --> 02:43:10,399
me to get hyped. I decided to create my own journey.

3167
02:43:10,399 --> 02:43:13,879
If you wheel, I'm playing every Rumble you guys have covered,

3168
02:43:13,879 --> 02:43:16,799
which is most of them, the only casts missing from

3169
02:43:16,799 --> 02:43:19,520
the laps timeline or eighty nine, ninety six, and ninety nine.

3170
02:43:20,120 --> 02:43:22,840
It's cool ninety six anymore, Yep, just eighty ninety's the

3171
02:43:22,879 --> 02:43:25,719
two Wow the decade there, eighty nine and ninety nine.

3172
02:43:26,159 --> 02:43:28,600
It's been cool to hear the progression and regression of

3173
02:43:28,600 --> 02:43:31,760
the Rumble match year by year and just really taking

3174
02:43:31,799 --> 02:43:34,200
it in and analyzing each year, and hearing you guys

3175
02:43:34,239 --> 02:43:37,799
talk about the lost rumbles from eighty seven, eighty eight,

3176
02:43:37,799 --> 02:43:40,479
and ninety four. I was actually able to track down

3177
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:43,840
the full shows of both ninety four rumbles. In ninety four,

3178
02:43:44,920 --> 02:43:47,920
wait both, I don't understand that. Didn't they have house

3179
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:50,719
show rumbles? Well? They did? What one? I think it

3180
02:43:50,799 --> 02:43:55,559
was a MSG where Owen Hart, Yeah, one, something like that.

3181
02:43:59,440 --> 02:44:02,920
I've only walked watched the match Owen won so far,

3182
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:04,840
and I've got to say I love that match. I

3183
02:44:04,879 --> 02:44:07,360
think it's better than the actual ninety four Rouble Crush

3184
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:10,000
being the diesel of the match. Then Owen comes out

3185
02:44:10,239 --> 02:44:12,360
and is the one to stand up to him. Then

3186
02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:14,360
Brett comes out and is able to save his brother

3187
02:44:14,440 --> 02:44:17,399
from being outnumbered by the heels. Plus you have the

3188
02:44:17,440 --> 02:44:21,319
great Michael's Jeannetti moment. Like the official ninety four Rumble,

3189
02:44:21,680 --> 02:44:24,120
I was also able to see that there was an

3190
02:44:24,159 --> 02:44:27,760
inkling of possibly the worst the first ever Royal Rubble

3191
02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:31,680
type match in nineteen seventy six, with the likes of

3192
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:34,680
Kevin Sullivan, Bobo Brazil, Bruiser Brody, Stan Hanson and Chief

3193
02:44:34,760 --> 02:44:38,159
j Strongbow. The winner is not known, however, but the

3194
02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:42,399
show's flyer advertises battle Royal eighteen wrestlers two at a

3195
02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:46,639
time until we have a winner. Huh. Winner receives five

3196
02:44:46,680 --> 02:44:48,799
hundred dollars two at a time. Yeah, that's not even

3197
02:44:48,840 --> 02:44:52,520
timed intervals. That's one man has to be eliminated. Right.

3198
02:44:52,680 --> 02:44:55,879
That's interesting though, But it's kind of a similar format

3199
02:44:55,879 --> 02:44:56,200
in a way.

3200
02:44:56,200 --> 02:44:58,159
Speaker 1: Should they try that one year, do away with a

3201
02:44:58,239 --> 02:44:59,719
countdown and just make it.

3202
02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:03,440
Speaker 2: Never never never never no no no no no, come on,

3203
02:45:04,280 --> 02:45:07,920
you can't no no, they can do that for another show. Yeah,

3204
02:45:08,719 --> 02:45:10,600
you know, that would be an interesting anything that would

3205
02:45:10,600 --> 02:45:12,959
be the Saudi one. It's kind of like a gauntlet.

3206
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:15,639
Yeah right, It's kind of like a gauntlet type match,

3207
02:45:15,799 --> 02:45:17,399
you know, but you throw them over the top rope.

3208
02:45:17,719 --> 02:45:21,200
I mean, be interesting for sure, but definitely not. You can't.

3209
02:45:20,879 --> 02:45:25,520
The countdown is key. Countdown is key for the format works.

3210
02:45:25,719 --> 02:45:28,799
Don't fuck it up the two times they've tried to

3211
02:45:28,879 --> 02:45:32,959
change it. They fucked it up when you when you

3212
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:36,879
when you made it a minute, sucked when you added

3213
02:45:36,879 --> 02:45:42,319
forty wrestlers. It sucks down. Don't fucking touch it how

3214
02:45:42,399 --> 02:45:46,200
it goes. I also saw there was one in the

3215
02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:49,760
us W a h on January third, ninety six that

3216
02:45:49,879 --> 02:45:52,000
was won by Doug Gilbert and w House.

3217
02:45:52,200 --> 02:45:54,520
Speaker 1: It's funny because we go on to cover Rumble ninety

3218
02:45:54,520 --> 02:45:56,079
six and we go on to cover that that actually

3219
02:45:56,120 --> 02:45:57,239
qualifies him for the rumble.

3220
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:01,440
Speaker 2: Yep, oh wow, that's right. That's right.

3221
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:04,000
Speaker 1: They had a pretty close working relationship with USWA at

3222
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:04,360
the time.

3223
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:09,159
Speaker 2: And a WW house show on November twenty nine, ninety six,

3224
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:12,479
which was a twenty man rumble in White Plains, New

3225
02:46:12,559 --> 02:46:15,360
York won by the Blue Chipper Rocky Maya Villa. Wow

3226
02:46:15,399 --> 02:46:16,879
did we talk about that? Now? I've never heard of

3227
02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:20,360
that before. I've never heard of that either. I had

3228
02:46:20,360 --> 02:46:23,200
no idea about the tag one on Raw in eighty

3229
02:46:23,239 --> 02:46:27,559
eight with Caine ninety eight with Cain and Mankind winning.

3230
02:46:27,639 --> 02:46:29,319
I don't remember that at all either. I don't remember

3231
02:46:29,360 --> 02:46:31,760
that that was the same night as the as the

3232
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:34,159
Raw Tag Hell in a Cell match, which is crazy.

3233
02:46:34,559 --> 02:46:36,840
I also didn't know they had a five man rumble

3234
02:46:36,879 --> 02:46:39,879
on SmackDown in September ninety nine. I remember that, like

3235
02:46:39,920 --> 02:46:42,159
they've done like mini rumbles and stuff like that. I

3236
02:46:42,200 --> 02:46:47,440
know to do stuff. The journey also brought on another thing,

3237
02:46:47,639 --> 02:46:50,120
making my brother an official lapsed fan. He used to

3238
02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:52,079
watch shows and tapes back in the day with me,

3239
02:46:52,159 --> 02:46:54,719
but as adults, he only really had time to keep

3240
02:46:54,799 --> 02:46:57,799
up with current wrestling. It's on literally every day of

3241
02:46:57,840 --> 02:47:00,239
the week if you follow TNA and a W two.

3242
02:47:01,280 --> 02:47:03,239
He's going with me to the Rumble this year, so

3243
02:47:03,319 --> 02:47:06,000
I told him about the journey I was embarking on.

3244
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:08,479
I have been bringing up the cast for years. He

3245
02:47:08,520 --> 02:47:10,479
gave it a chance years ago, but determined it was

3246
02:47:10,520 --> 02:47:15,120
too long and he lost interest. With all the crevices

3247
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:19,719
you guys dive into with each show, it's the crevices

3248
02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:25,000
that matter yes, pal, I say that again. All right,

3249
02:47:25,399 --> 02:47:29,479
that's that's yeah. You try to block us from your crevis.

3250
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:33,520
All right, again, we find we borrow in where Carpenter

3251
02:47:33,639 --> 02:47:37,280
fucking girling. All right, we find our spot, we borrow

3252
02:47:37,319 --> 02:47:42,959
in and we live in that. Take up all right,

3253
02:47:42,959 --> 02:47:47,680
take up residence in your anus. But this journey to

3254
02:47:47,719 --> 02:47:50,840
go along with going to the Rumble intrigued him, so

3255
02:47:50,879 --> 02:47:53,879
he's been listening almost every day. He is also making

3256
02:47:53,959 --> 02:47:57,079
time into his wrestling schedule to watch every Old Rumble show.

3257
02:47:57,120 --> 02:48:00,639
In sequence, I'm so proud going on the journey. I've

3258
02:48:00,639 --> 02:48:02,840
come to realize a few things. There is pretty much

3259
02:48:02,879 --> 02:48:05,079
always a random tag match on the show with people

3260
02:48:05,159 --> 02:48:08,879
not good enough to be in the Rumble. That's true.

3261
02:48:08,920 --> 02:48:13,399
That's true. The boss Man, for some reason, always has

3262
02:48:13,440 --> 02:48:16,520
a singles match ninety ninety one, ninety three nine. That

3263
02:48:16,639 --> 02:48:18,920
ninety three match with Bam Bam was actually a barn burner.

3264
02:48:18,959 --> 02:48:21,000
By the way, I agree. I think it's an underrated match.

3265
02:48:21,879 --> 02:48:24,639
He puts. He puts Bam Bam over Huge in his

3266
02:48:24,719 --> 02:48:29,479
little in his swan song out of the company, and

3267
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:31,600
Matt got me thinking, who has the who has had

3268
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:37,479
the most non Rumble matches at the Rumble Roman reigns, Undertaker,

3269
02:48:37,559 --> 02:48:40,760
Randy Orton and Triple H have had six. John Cena

3270
02:48:40,799 --> 02:48:44,639
and Kevin Owens this year have each have seven matches.

3271
02:48:45,079 --> 02:48:47,879
That's crazy to me, considering Ko only had the Universal

3272
02:48:47,920 --> 02:48:50,600
title for a cup of coffee. Some of these non

3273
02:48:50,680 --> 02:48:52,639
Rumble matches are some of the greatest and my most

3274
02:48:52,680 --> 02:48:56,600
favorite in the history of w Besides rock versus Mankind

3275
02:48:56,600 --> 02:48:59,680
Form nty nine and Triple H versus Cactus from two

3276
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:02,399
thousand and I mentioned, it also has some other all

3277
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:06,959
time classics Rockers versus or An Express ninety one yep, yep, great,

3278
02:49:07,159 --> 02:49:09,040
the opener of my life of wrestling. I mean, listen,

3279
02:49:09,239 --> 02:49:12,840
I'll never forget. I'll never forget because I'm sitting there,

3280
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:17,680
you know the first time I rented that tape. Okay,

3281
02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:22,399
I rented that tape and I had my friends come

3282
02:49:22,440 --> 02:49:27,200
over and we watch it, and that is the opening match,

3283
02:49:27,319 --> 02:49:33,079
and we were fucking blown away by that match, Like

3284
02:49:34,559 --> 02:49:37,639
what the fuck? I mean listen, by that point, I

3285
02:49:38,159 --> 02:49:42,559
had I knew Pat Tanaka was a fucking jobber. I

3286
02:49:42,639 --> 02:49:46,959
knew Cato was a jobber. What business did they have

3287
02:49:48,040 --> 02:49:50,760
having a fucking match like that with the Rockers? Absolutely

3288
02:49:51,239 --> 02:49:55,120
who gave them the right to do that? So amazing

3289
02:49:56,000 --> 02:49:59,000
Jumping Bomb Angels versus the Glamour Girls I n. Eighty eight. Absolutely,

3290
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:02,040
that is a that is great stuff, such a glorious

3291
02:50:02,120 --> 02:50:04,680
fucking Remember when we saw that for the first time

3292
02:50:04,760 --> 02:50:06,719
and we're like, what the fuck is this? Oh, they're

3293
02:50:06,719 --> 02:50:11,360
doing these moves in the WWF and Zerra Right Parties

3294
02:50:11,440 --> 02:50:15,559
versus Dudley's Tables match from two thousand, Triple H versus

3295
02:50:16,280 --> 02:50:18,520
versus Sean Michael's Last Man Standing in two thousand and four,

3296
02:50:18,959 --> 02:50:22,319
Sena versus Rollins versus Lesard twenty fifteen, Sena versus Styles

3297
02:50:22,360 --> 02:50:25,799
twenty seventeen, Brett and Owen versus the Quebecers in ninety four.

3298
02:50:26,680 --> 02:50:29,200
Even other matches I wouldn't consider great but are still

3299
02:50:29,200 --> 02:50:31,840
pretty damn good, like Brett versus Brett versus Razor is

3300
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:35,079
way better than than bretton Owen versus Quebecers. I'm sorry,

3301
02:50:35,319 --> 02:50:40,440
I'm sorry. Yoko versus Taker Seiners versus Beverley's is awesome.

3302
02:50:40,479 --> 02:50:42,719
I love that one one of the greatest Frankensteiners of

3303
02:50:42,719 --> 02:50:44,559
all time. That's what I think of right away, as

3304
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:47,159
him spiking him on his head. Yep, because like the

3305
02:50:47,520 --> 02:50:50,360
because you know, and I said this before, but what

3306
02:50:50,520 --> 02:50:55,760
makes it so great is is is youo somehow? I mean,

3307
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:59,079
that's somehow. I mean, obviously there's something there is physics

3308
02:50:59,079 --> 02:51:02,399
here to work. But he he takes it, lands on

3309
02:51:02,440 --> 02:51:06,200
his head, but then like his shoulders go down and

3310
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:10,559
then us that's been so fucking phenomenal Brett versus Diesel

3311
02:51:10,639 --> 02:51:14,000
and Sean versus Taker, and I hate to call it

3312
02:51:14,040 --> 02:51:16,479
a classic before it happens, but all signs point to

3313
02:51:16,600 --> 02:51:18,639
Kao versus Cody in the ladder match being a class

3314
02:51:18,680 --> 02:51:20,799
I don't remember. Was it good?

3315
02:51:20,959 --> 02:51:24,559
Speaker 1: It probably cost him his career honestly, is he yea,

3316
02:51:24,680 --> 02:51:28,319
he he's out or Mania. He basically announced that he

3317
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:30,079
might have a career ending injury to his neck.

3318
02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:35,840
Speaker 2: No shit, wow, Codin, she better give him a fucking

3319
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:39,000
Christians another guy that Ko made.

3320
02:51:40,159 --> 02:51:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't make like single handedly, but you know,

3321
02:51:45,639 --> 02:51:48,879
put into a position to really stand out from everybody else.

3322
02:51:49,239 --> 02:51:52,959
Speaker 2: Yep. But as far as the Rumbo match itself, eighty

3323
02:51:53,000 --> 02:51:54,639
nine to ninety four of the Golden years for me,

3324
02:51:54,719 --> 02:51:58,000
ninety five, ninety seven suck, ninety eight to two thousand

3325
02:51:58,159 --> 02:51:59,920
are decent. Two thousand and one two thousand and seven

3326
02:52:00,079 --> 02:52:05,719
are good great, good to great stuff dozand one and

3327
02:52:05,799 --> 02:52:07,319
two thousand and seven are great. I don't think I

3328
02:52:07,399 --> 02:52:11,079
liked much of the ones in between either. I think

3329
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:15,520
they are does dozend three is okay, doesn't four is good,

3330
02:52:17,360 --> 02:52:21,639
dosand five not good. Thousand and six is not good

3331
02:52:22,120 --> 02:52:24,559
mainly honestly, it could have been the greatest rumble of

3332
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:27,280
all time if it wanted to be. But the problem

3333
02:52:27,440 --> 02:52:29,600
is it's in the middle of the show. It's even

3334
02:52:29,639 --> 02:52:32,040
worse than not going on last the middle of the shows.

3335
02:52:32,079 --> 02:52:33,719
That the year they had Angle and Mark Henry in

3336
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:36,159
the end, yeah, because the and the reason they had

3337
02:52:36,159 --> 02:52:39,879
it was because they broke the fucking ring. Maybe don't

3338
02:52:39,879 --> 02:52:43,479
do that. Maybe that's at the end right one? That

3339
02:52:43,559 --> 02:52:46,040
year six that would have been that was Ray. It

3340
02:52:46,120 --> 02:52:48,000
was Ray mysterious. Oh yeah, to get the triple threat,

3341
02:52:48,079 --> 02:52:52,399
ye right right, Well, not yet. They were gonna he

3342
02:52:52,440 --> 02:52:54,840
was gonna lose. Was he was gonna lose the title

3343
02:52:54,840 --> 02:52:56,479
shot to Randy Yorton. They were they were obsessed with

3344
02:52:56,520 --> 02:52:59,319
Randy Yorton and they were gonna put him over no

3345
02:52:59,399 --> 02:53:01,799
matter what. But than the fans almost put him over.

3346
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:05,200
Undertaker of the Year before to break the streak, right right,

3347
02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:07,559
that's right, that's right. And that's the only time I

3348
02:53:07,559 --> 02:53:10,000
ever thought they should have done it, that's true. The

3349
02:53:10,040 --> 02:53:12,840
only time it made sense I thought they should have

3350
02:53:12,879 --> 02:53:14,879
done it. Then I was like, you know, to me,

3351
02:53:15,280 --> 02:53:19,120
to me him, I actually thought that that that that

3352
02:53:19,120 --> 02:53:22,920
that Randy Yorton losing that match actually set him back

3353
02:53:23,159 --> 02:53:23,680
quite a bit.

3354
02:53:24,600 --> 02:53:27,399
Speaker 1: And that was that was them saying, I'm they flirted

3355
02:53:27,399 --> 02:53:28,799
with the idea of putting him over, but he was

3356
02:53:28,799 --> 02:53:30,639
such a head case backstage at that point. He was

3357
02:53:30,680 --> 02:53:35,399
so pilled out, he was so rash and just acting

3358
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:37,239
like incredibly immaturely on the road.

3359
02:53:37,280 --> 02:53:40,000
Speaker 2: And is that when he was shitting in people's.

3360
02:53:39,639 --> 02:53:43,360
Speaker 1: Bags, prone to fits of anger, and he was he

3361
02:53:43,440 --> 02:53:44,239
was high all the time.

3362
02:53:44,280 --> 02:53:44,760
Speaker 2: It was bad.

3363
02:53:44,879 --> 02:53:47,159
Speaker 1: They they they had a real problem on their hands

3364
02:53:47,159 --> 02:53:50,520
with him back then. M It's pretty funny how it

3365
02:53:50,520 --> 02:53:50,920
worked out.

3366
02:53:50,920 --> 02:54:01,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, right, that was pretty bad until

3367
02:54:01,159 --> 02:54:03,719
I would say the twenty eighteen Women's Rumble. That's not

3368
02:54:03,879 --> 02:54:05,159
the first one. Yeah, that was a good That was

3369
02:54:05,159 --> 02:54:08,040
a great rubble. Actually, I like that one. Some good

3370
02:54:08,040 --> 02:54:10,239
and bad ones after that. Twenty twenty was pretty great too.

3371
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:14,120
That's the Lessenard thing. Yeah, lessner owning the first half,

3372
02:54:14,120 --> 02:54:16,200
with the star power at the end and the edge

3373
02:54:16,200 --> 02:54:18,719
return made it one of the few all timers from

3374
02:54:18,760 --> 02:54:21,159
this era. Yeah, okay, if you if you like that

3375
02:54:21,280 --> 02:54:23,440
kind of shit, sure, Yeah. I was reading the sport

3376
02:54:23,479 --> 02:54:28,360
ki the sport Keita sport Keita what. Yeah, it's a website, oh,

3377
02:54:28,479 --> 02:54:30,639
ranking of the greatest rumbles of all time, and they

3378
02:54:30,639 --> 02:54:34,520
put ninety two number nine and twenty twenty number one.

3379
02:54:34,639 --> 02:54:39,440
What that is bullsh that that's written by fucking idiots,

3380
02:54:39,479 --> 02:54:42,239
fucking fucking idiots who probably never even watched the fucking

3381
02:54:42,280 --> 02:54:46,120
ninety two rumble, And I thought that was just absurd,

3382
02:54:46,600 --> 02:54:49,360
Probably someone in their twenties ranking that shit. My favorite

3383
02:54:49,360 --> 02:54:51,159
is two thousand and one, but objectively, I would have

3384
02:54:51,159 --> 02:54:53,319
to put ninety two is the greatest of all time. Yeah,

3385
02:54:53,399 --> 02:54:55,159
I don't think it will ever be topped. But on

3386
02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:58,120
that note, what are your top guys, top five man

3387
02:54:58,719 --> 02:55:05,879
biased favorite rumble matches of all time? Ninety two, ninety one,

3388
02:55:06,559 --> 02:55:16,000
ninety I really like ninety seven. Actually I do like

3389
02:55:16,079 --> 02:55:18,440
ninety seven quite a bit. Oh you're crazy, I know.

3390
02:55:18,760 --> 02:55:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know why that floated into my mind, but

3391
02:55:21,280 --> 02:55:34,559
uh oh four oh one. I like, uh, I like

3392
02:55:34,639 --> 02:55:35,920
ninety M.

3393
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:39,959
Speaker 2: I would say ninety one is my all time favorite,

3394
02:55:39,959 --> 02:55:43,479
always will be. I'll never take that out. I think

3395
02:55:43,559 --> 02:55:47,600
ninety two is the best rumble, but still not my favorite.

3396
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,879
But I put ninety two is number two. I would

3397
02:55:50,920 --> 02:56:02,920
put ninety as number three, I would put ninety three

3398
02:56:03,079 --> 02:56:06,520
is number four, and I would put two thousand and

3399
02:56:06,520 --> 02:56:09,840
seven is as number five. Ninety three. Wow, only because

3400
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:11,239
it's just I got a love for it. I got

3401
02:56:11,280 --> 02:56:14,639
love for seven the best. He said favorites A dozen

3402
02:56:14,719 --> 02:56:16,840
seven is a great one. Forgot about seven is a

3403
02:56:16,840 --> 02:56:20,079
great one. Yeah, dozend seven has got the serious sea

3404
02:56:20,920 --> 02:56:23,520
Yeah yeah, yeah, where you don't know who's gonna win.

3405
02:56:24,120 --> 02:56:27,280
And it was fucking great. Yeah, it's true. I kind

3406
02:56:27,280 --> 02:56:29,360
of just discount a lot of the post two thousand,

3407
02:56:29,399 --> 02:56:35,159
onesousand and seven because it was also it was the

3408
02:56:35,200 --> 02:56:40,600
first time where where it didn't feel like it didn't

3409
02:56:40,639 --> 02:56:45,479
feel like guys are getting tossed left and right, like

3410
02:56:45,840 --> 02:56:48,319
people actually were there for a while, like you know,

3411
02:56:48,799 --> 02:56:54,440
after ninety three and ninety four. Actually really it started

3412
02:56:54,440 --> 02:56:58,239
in ninety five with the with the minute intervals were

3413
02:56:58,280 --> 02:57:00,559
now all of a sudden, everybody's just being cost like

3414
02:57:00,600 --> 02:57:03,239
there was just no, it didn't feel like people were

3415
02:57:03,239 --> 02:57:05,520
in there for a while except for the people who

3416
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:07,040
were going to be in there for a while. It

3417
02:57:07,159 --> 02:57:11,040
just it didn't It didn't feel as spontaneous as as

3418
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:13,360
as it did because it it felt like guys were

3419
02:57:13,360 --> 02:57:14,719
in there for a while and then they just get

3420
02:57:14,760 --> 02:57:16,639
tossed out and just like, oh wow, I can't believe

3421
02:57:16,639 --> 02:57:18,120
they were in there for that line. You know that

3422
02:57:18,120 --> 02:57:20,360
that guy, like by the fact it was Valentine in

3423
02:57:20,360 --> 02:57:27,799
there for forty five minutes, you know, Jesus Christ. So yeah,

3424
02:57:28,120 --> 02:57:30,000
in two thousand and seven was the first time where

3425
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:34,200
I was like, this feels old school, Like it felt

3426
02:57:34,200 --> 02:57:35,959
like an old school rumble, And then it had that

3427
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:40,319
crazy ass ten minute one on one thing that was

3428
02:57:40,840 --> 02:57:43,040
just unbelievable. Yeah, it's a great one. I should have

3429
02:57:43,040 --> 02:57:44,239
wound in there. Yeah.

3430
02:57:45,239 --> 02:57:47,719
Speaker 1: I like the one with AJ and Diesel came back.

3431
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:51,440
I like that one. I think that's fifteen that Roman

3432
02:57:51,479 --> 02:57:53,799
won that one, right or no he won and yeah

3433
02:57:53,799 --> 02:57:57,760
he won fifteen. Yeah, so that sucked, but I like

3434
02:57:58,559 --> 02:58:01,559
that felt very veentful that one. I feel like they

3435
02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:03,360
really pulled some rabbits out of the hat to make

3436
02:58:03,399 --> 02:58:06,719
the match, like really pop that first Woman's one. It's

3437
02:58:06,719 --> 02:58:10,000
good as the ones in recent years have all been good.

3438
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:14,000
They've been you know, fun to watch, but they just

3439
02:58:14,200 --> 02:58:16,159
they fade, you know, the memory.

3440
02:58:16,280 --> 02:58:18,159
Speaker 2: They don't write. That's the thing, Like, they don't they

3441
02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:19,040
don't stand out like.

3442
02:58:19,079 --> 02:58:21,760
Speaker 1: The one this year seems so awesome when Jay won,

3443
02:58:22,280 --> 02:58:24,719
but now about two months later, I'm like, really, what

3444
02:58:24,760 --> 02:58:26,440
do I really remember about that? You know, I don't

3445
02:58:26,440 --> 02:58:28,920
remember anything about it, Drew getting pissed off that any

3446
02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:32,360
night got in the way, and these little like trivia

3447
02:58:32,440 --> 02:58:34,360
notes more than I don't.

3448
02:58:34,440 --> 02:58:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing, I don't remember a damn thing about

3449
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:42,360
it all. I just remember, Yeah, but I can remember that.

3450
02:58:42,360 --> 02:58:44,479
That's part of what I'm what I think of is like,

3451
02:58:44,559 --> 02:58:49,040
what what rumbles can I really like? That have have

3452
02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:51,000
meant so much to me that I've watched them over

3453
02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:53,760
and over and over again. That's the only way I

3454
02:58:53,760 --> 02:58:56,760
can rate a well rumble. And again It's why crappy

3455
02:58:56,840 --> 02:59:00,639
rumble technically can like ninety three can be in my

3456
02:59:00,680 --> 02:59:03,319
top five because I've seen it so many times. I

3457
02:59:03,399 --> 02:59:08,479
know every single beast in that fucking match, and so

3458
02:59:08,680 --> 02:59:13,399
I'll always cherish it because it has it has a

3459
02:59:13,479 --> 02:59:16,879
fondness for me, so we close this one. The reason

3460
02:59:16,920 --> 02:59:19,079
I sent this email was to convey just how much

3461
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:22,200
excitement I have being able to literally live out a

3462
02:59:22,239 --> 02:59:25,200
childhood dream. Just something as simple as being able to

3463
02:59:25,239 --> 02:59:27,920
count down from ten is going to be an amazing experience,

3464
02:59:28,319 --> 02:59:31,200
living the surprises in person, being a part of and

3465
02:59:31,239 --> 02:59:33,719
having genuine pops throughout the show, being able to see

3466
02:59:33,760 --> 02:59:36,920
another possible five star match in the annals of Rumble history,

3467
02:59:37,280 --> 02:59:39,200
I feel like I've relived the history with you guys.

3468
02:59:39,239 --> 02:59:41,319
I know these are some of your favorite shows too,

3469
02:59:41,559 --> 02:59:43,440
and now I will be a part of the history

3470
02:59:43,440 --> 02:59:45,600
of the Royal Rumble saying I was there in twenty

3471
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:48,520
twenty five. Thank you for rumble Mania, thank you for

3472
02:59:48,840 --> 02:59:51,959
unknowingly giving me the evolution of the Rumble journey, and

3473
02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:54,159
thank you for giving me this outlet to speak my

3474
02:59:54,280 --> 02:59:55,479
excitement through.

3475
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:58,559
Speaker 1: Glad to do it, Zach, and we can identify because

3476
02:59:59,040 --> 03:00:01,760
I will say, of all the wrestling shows I've been

3477
03:00:01,799 --> 03:00:04,159
to go into that Rumble at O three, that was

3478
03:00:04,200 --> 03:00:06,559
like one of the most like flutter of my stomach

3479
03:00:06,600 --> 03:00:10,680
ones ever because yeah, you're about to participate in just

3480
03:00:10,719 --> 03:00:13,000
like he's saying, the countdown and all the special things

3481
03:00:13,000 --> 03:00:13,600
of a Rumble.

3482
03:00:14,079 --> 03:00:16,600
Speaker 2: The only Rumble I've ever been to live. I think.

3483
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:18,799
I don't think I've ever been in rub Yeah.

3484
03:00:18,639 --> 03:00:35,879
Speaker 3: Me too, wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the

3485
03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:54,000
boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the

3486
03:00:54,120 --> 03:00:59,000
Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corn and JP Soro.

3487
03:00:59,440 --> 03:01:01,920
Speaker 2: That's gonna go to just go to some of those,

3488
03:01:02,840 --> 03:01:05,000
I know. I mean, I guess they've never really been

3489
03:01:06,120 --> 03:01:09,639
close by. Not really, No, that's true, job they I mean,

3490
03:01:09,719 --> 03:01:11,920
I'm one. Last one they did in New York was

3491
03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:14,600
was it? It wasn't to us? And eight wasn't the

3492
03:01:14,680 --> 03:01:15,319
last one.

3493
03:01:16,120 --> 03:01:17,719
Speaker 1: I think it was because they've been doing all these

3494
03:01:17,760 --> 03:01:21,399
stadium scale arenas now and they tend to do you know,

3495
03:01:21,520 --> 03:01:25,120
second tier cities for Rumble. It's a it's a you know,

3496
03:01:25,239 --> 03:01:27,319
a stadium show they can do without it having to

3497
03:01:27,360 --> 03:01:34,000
be a huge metropolitan area like Indianapolis and stuff. But yeah,

3498
03:01:34,040 --> 03:01:36,120
I can't think of the closest one to us when

3499
03:01:36,159 --> 03:01:38,280
it was. That's a great point. Maybe they did Philly.

3500
03:01:38,360 --> 03:01:41,000
Speaker 2: I remember, I'll take a look here and say, yeah,

3501
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:45,959
Philly was in twenty fifteen. I think yep, like Florida.

3502
03:01:45,559 --> 03:01:47,719
Speaker 1: Never coming back to Providence again, they're never going to

3503
03:01:47,719 --> 03:01:52,000
be in Oh no, no, had those dis.

3504
03:01:50,840 --> 03:01:53,799
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, especially you know they can't even do

3505
03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:57,280
a fucking stadium up here in the winter. It's true too,

3506
03:01:58,120 --> 03:02:01,680
you know. Yeah. The last that was close by so

3507
03:02:01,799 --> 03:02:05,559
like it was. Yeah, the last one that was close

3508
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:10,360
by was twenty eighteen in Philly. Yeah, and that's not

3509
03:02:10,440 --> 03:02:14,280
really that close. That's kind of funny, like twenty to

3510
03:02:14,520 --> 03:02:19,239
twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen were both in uh in Philly.

3511
03:02:19,799 --> 03:02:20,479
That is funny.

3512
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:22,840
Speaker 1: It is funny now too that they're that they're all

3513
03:02:22,840 --> 03:02:26,840
about stadiums for the Royal Rumble, like we're never going

3514
03:02:26,879 --> 03:02:29,040
to get one of the East coast again, like the Northeast.

3515
03:02:29,079 --> 03:02:31,840
Speaker 2: No ever, because we don't. We don't even have any

3516
03:02:31,959 --> 03:02:34,159
domed stadium. We would, if we write, if we had

3517
03:02:34,159 --> 03:02:38,360
a dome stadium, we could, but nope, we don't, So

3518
03:02:38,559 --> 03:02:38,920
fuck it.

3519
03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:39,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

3520
03:02:40,520 --> 03:02:42,799
Speaker 1: Joe Bernina, thank you so much for joining the moteeer.

3521
03:02:42,879 --> 03:02:45,319
My friend Tony Garvey, thank you so much for the pledge.

3522
03:02:45,319 --> 03:02:48,559
We deeply appreciated Christopher Wright. This was literally like watching

3523
03:02:48,559 --> 03:02:50,319
a rumble on the floor with my hasbros. You know

3524
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:52,879
what he's talking about When he wrote that boss wrestle

3525
03:02:52,959 --> 03:02:55,399
Mamia to the nineteen ninety rumble.

3526
03:02:56,079 --> 03:02:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Oh that's a long that's a long time coming. Yeah,

3527
03:03:00,239 --> 03:03:03,239
like watching her. You know, we watch him, We watch

3528
03:03:03,360 --> 03:03:08,040
I watched it. We watch it in preparation for you know,

3529
03:03:08,120 --> 03:03:10,399
I mean we've obviously watched it way in advance. But

3530
03:03:10,959 --> 03:03:14,319
I watch it every you know, right to the uh

3531
03:03:16,840 --> 03:03:18,799
you know when I'm watching, and I always put a

3532
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:21,040
rumble right by the rumble, and I'm doing them in

3533
03:03:21,120 --> 03:03:22,559
order with my mom. Unbelievable.

3534
03:03:23,159 --> 03:03:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, another reason to keep your eyes locked to wrestle

3535
03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:29,399
Momy revisit totally in the past versions of the upcoming show. Yeah,

3536
03:03:29,399 --> 03:03:31,200
he remembers his rumble on the floor with his Hasbros,

3537
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:34,000
with his mom doing the ironing behind him, getting weirdly invested,

3538
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:36,760
but constantly forgetting the one rule of the match. The

3539
03:03:36,799 --> 03:03:38,399
one rule of the match had to be reminded of

3540
03:03:39,600 --> 03:03:41,639
Todd Wright, still laughing from when a few entrants into

3541
03:03:41,639 --> 03:03:42,000
the match.

3542
03:03:42,319 --> 03:03:44,840
Speaker 2: My fucking mom. My mom does the same thing, like

3543
03:03:45,000 --> 03:03:48,840
watching these matches with her now, she she cannot remember

3544
03:03:49,120 --> 03:03:51,319
that you have to be pinned on your back, right,

3545
03:03:51,920 --> 03:03:55,719
She says, Well, wait a minute, why isn't he Mom?

3546
03:03:55,799 --> 03:03:57,520
Is gonna be on his back and his shoulders aren't

3547
03:03:57,680 --> 03:04:01,280
not counting out like boxing, So why aren't they counting?

3548
03:04:02,479 --> 03:04:05,280
That's funny, she says that. But they do sometimes pretend

3549
03:04:05,319 --> 03:04:08,319
to have standing ten counts in wrestling, you know, we

3550
03:04:08,479 --> 03:04:10,440
do sometimes pretend that you only have ten seconds to

3551
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:12,719
gheit to your feet. It's weird, I know, compending on the.

3552
03:04:12,680 --> 03:04:15,719
Speaker 1: Match Todd on that same wrestle Mommy in nineteen ninety

3553
03:04:15,760 --> 03:04:18,120
Royal Rumble episode right, still laughing from when a few

3554
03:04:18,239 --> 03:04:20,000
entrants into the match, it is revealed it up until

3555
03:04:20,040 --> 03:04:22,319
that point your mother was under the impression that she

3556
03:04:22,399 --> 03:04:32,920
was watching the nineteen nineteen Royal Rumble. We got a

3557
03:04:32,920 --> 03:04:35,000
lot of great feedback on our interview with Brian Penry,

3558
03:04:35,399 --> 03:04:38,120
who was a creative consultant for Creative Director the first

3559
03:04:38,159 --> 03:04:40,559
one WW have had design the logo, all the rest.

3560
03:04:40,600 --> 03:04:42,200
You know, it's in the archives. If you skipped the

3561
03:04:42,239 --> 03:04:45,319
shame on you. It's really relevatory and such a great

3562
03:04:45,559 --> 03:04:47,680
kind of download of a unique vantage point on a

3563
03:04:47,760 --> 03:04:50,639
Vince McMahon that's coming into his own and realizing all

3564
03:04:50,639 --> 03:04:53,600
these licensing opportunities, in these NBC opportunities and becoming a

3565
03:04:53,600 --> 03:04:57,239
different person than the guy Brian knew, starting very humbly

3566
03:04:57,280 --> 03:04:59,879
owning the Cape Cod Coliseum and getting started with Linda

3567
03:05:00,079 --> 03:05:02,600
with out really a pot to piss in, so to speak,

3568
03:05:03,040 --> 03:05:05,799
and slowly winning over his father and getting in control

3569
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:07,920
of the company. But Andrew Key doing something that I

3570
03:05:07,920 --> 03:05:10,680
think is so important from that interview, he wrote, Vince's

3571
03:05:10,680 --> 03:05:13,719
failed construction companies and Linda forcing him to make amends

3572
03:05:13,719 --> 03:05:16,559
with his dad to get into the wrestling business explains

3573
03:05:16,559 --> 03:05:22,600
so much about that, It really does. And Brian's memory

3574
03:05:22,680 --> 03:05:24,760
of Vince, you know, after a hard day's work, saying,

3575
03:05:24,760 --> 03:05:26,760
you know what, it's time for a tall one.

3576
03:05:28,200 --> 03:05:30,680
Speaker 2: I love That's That's still the greatest fucking ship.

3577
03:05:30,760 --> 03:05:33,399
Speaker 1: Chris writes coach here, I don't know how you tracked

3578
03:05:33,399 --> 03:05:36,200
down Brian Penry, but this was a first ballot TLFX

3579
03:05:36,200 --> 03:05:38,280
Hall of Famer. Imagine living in a world we're moving

3580
03:05:38,319 --> 03:05:42,079
down a Manhattan's mowing down rather a Manhattan squeegee guy

3581
03:05:42,200 --> 03:05:47,159
is the rational alternative to returning Vince his defaced Lincoln Continental. Yeah,

3582
03:05:47,159 --> 03:05:49,399
the phenomenal. Yeah, that's a great story. He tells of

3583
03:05:49,719 --> 03:05:53,559
being responsible for Vince's Lincoln Continental once and you.

3584
03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:55,639
Speaker 2: Know, are you ready for someone by the way, this

3585
03:05:55,680 --> 03:05:57,799
is something I didn't fucking know. This is totally about

3586
03:05:57,799 --> 03:06:01,079
shorty rumbles here do you know that as of twenty

3587
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:08,000
twenty three, As of twenty twenty three, the entry number

3588
03:06:08,079 --> 03:06:10,200
that has won the most Royal Rumbles It took until

3589
03:06:10,200 --> 03:06:12,479
twenty twenty three, by the way for this to happen

3590
03:06:13,879 --> 03:06:17,719
is number thirty. Oh my god, it's sypathetic. It kind

3591
03:06:17,719 --> 03:06:20,440
of is actually like bec is this year? Yeah, the

3592
03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:25,360
first one whoever won by No. No. Twenty twenty three

3593
03:06:25,479 --> 03:06:29,360
was Cody Codens to number thirty and then twenty twenty two,

3594
03:06:29,399 --> 03:06:31,399
twenty sixteen, two thousand and eight, two thousand and seven.

3595
03:06:31,719 --> 03:06:34,000
Like the fact that two thousand and seven the Undertaker

3596
03:06:34,040 --> 03:06:35,799
was the first one to win at number thirty is

3597
03:06:36,200 --> 03:06:42,959
also pathetic, right, you know that's advantage, Like, honestly, if

3598
03:06:43,239 --> 03:06:49,600
you know, to really set the thing going, it's John

3599
03:06:49,639 --> 03:06:51,760
Studd should have been number thirty in eighty nine. Yeah,

3600
03:06:53,600 --> 03:06:55,920
honestly that should have been the thing because that been

3601
03:06:56,000 --> 03:06:58,000
right there makes number thirty a.

3602
03:06:57,959 --> 03:06:59,680
Speaker 1: Threat, protects the psychology of the match.

3603
03:07:00,159 --> 03:07:02,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they had done it from the very beginning.

3604
03:07:02,120 --> 03:07:02,959
If they didn't, they.

3605
03:07:02,920 --> 03:07:05,000
Speaker 1: Probably didn't even know how long it was going to go.

3606
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:06,879
They probably didn't see it having the legs that did

3607
03:07:08,040 --> 03:07:10,280
to you know, book with well, yeah, six rumbles in

3608
03:07:10,280 --> 03:07:12,879
the future, you know, it'll be important to establish x

3609
03:07:12,959 --> 03:07:15,639
y Z. Steve Key did another great thing from the

3610
03:07:15,639 --> 03:07:18,079
Brian Penry interview. It was like he had just walked

3611
03:07:18,079 --> 03:07:20,319
off the plantation with a mint jewel up in his hand.

3612
03:07:21,040 --> 03:07:24,879
That is Brian Penry describing Jim Barnett, which was so

3613
03:07:24,959 --> 03:07:27,079
fun because it kind of felt like Brian forgot about

3614
03:07:27,159 --> 03:07:29,840
jim Zy until we mentioned him, brought him up, and

3615
03:07:29,840 --> 03:07:33,840
he said, oh my god, that guy. Tremendous to find

3616
03:07:33,840 --> 03:07:36,479
someone out in the wild who has these deep seated

3617
03:07:36,520 --> 03:07:39,760
memories of all these colorful, pivotal characters in the WWF

3618
03:07:39,879 --> 03:07:42,840
history and never apparently ever having an outlet to tell

3619
03:07:42,879 --> 03:07:45,479
these stories, you know, never having anyone ask him in

3620
03:07:45,479 --> 03:07:48,399
a way that activated his mind about all these people.

3621
03:07:48,440 --> 03:07:50,559
And it turns out he was like right there for

3622
03:07:51,399 --> 03:07:56,600
so many critical moments in time and decisions, and you know,

3623
03:07:56,639 --> 03:07:58,479
the kind of photo shoots that he went out and

3624
03:07:58,520 --> 03:08:01,079
did in the earliest days of promoting WrestleMania one just

3625
03:08:01,079 --> 03:08:04,159
just amazing, really really proud of that one. And Brian's

3626
03:08:04,159 --> 03:08:05,879
such a great guy. He's kept in touch with us.

3627
03:08:05,879 --> 03:08:09,040
He's even sent us some of his prints and stuff.

3628
03:08:09,079 --> 03:08:10,959
I hope some members of the Solar System were able

3629
03:08:11,000 --> 03:08:14,000
to meet up with him at the Connecticut con that

3630
03:08:14,040 --> 03:08:17,440
he was plugging on the interview. But a big ups

3631
03:08:17,479 --> 03:08:20,879
to that guy. Very glad to have made his acquaintance.

3632
03:08:21,040 --> 03:08:24,000
Speaker 2: This phenomenal guy. Phenomenal absolutely spent.

3633
03:08:23,840 --> 03:08:26,120
Speaker 1: A lot of time talking during the Saturday Night's Made

3634
03:08:26,120 --> 03:08:28,920
Event Episode one coverage that we did about the time

3635
03:08:28,959 --> 03:08:31,319
Hulk Cogan and Mister T hosted Saturday Night Live, thus

3636
03:08:31,360 --> 03:08:34,399
beginning in a lot of ways the NBC relationship before

3637
03:08:34,440 --> 03:08:37,360
WrestleMania won. A lot of digging as to why and

3638
03:08:37,399 --> 03:08:39,879
how they became hosts. Was the host in fact sick?

3639
03:08:40,040 --> 03:08:43,079
Speaker 2: Was he not? Was there a writer's strike? Was there not?

3640
03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:45,559
Speaker 1: What really factored in to putting Hulk Cogan in Mister

3641
03:08:45,559 --> 03:08:48,079
T in that coveted hosting spot in kind of an

3642
03:08:48,079 --> 03:08:50,760
impromptu fashion? Well, of course Tomasinasio did some digging.

3643
03:08:52,040 --> 03:08:53,079
Speaker 2: He knows how to dig around.

3644
03:08:53,719 --> 03:08:55,399
Speaker 1: One of the things he contributed, he said, that's interesting

3645
03:08:55,399 --> 03:08:57,479
considering the writer's strike was over by the nineteenth, so

3646
03:08:57,479 --> 03:08:59,000
he's writing, let me let me try to keep this

3647
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:04,360
in order as I think, Corey. Yeah, Corey in Winnipeg wrote,

3648
03:09:04,440 --> 03:09:05,680
I had read that about a year and a half ago,

3649
03:09:05,760 --> 03:09:07,280
looking for info and why the host backed out. I

3650
03:09:07,280 --> 03:09:09,879
can't call the specifics. The interview was not related to wrestling. Okay,

3651
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:12,319
I'm losing the context here. Oh, he does say before

3652
03:09:12,319 --> 03:09:15,639
I forget the switch from Animation's Obsession, the original theme

3653
03:09:15,680 --> 03:09:17,520
song for Saturday Night's main event that we spent so

3654
03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:21,399
much time celebrating. He said, the switch from that to

3655
03:09:21,440 --> 03:09:24,040
the SNM a theme that we would later know Dent

3656
03:09:24,440 --> 03:09:30,319
Dent Tent. Yeah, was the main event Febry fifth, nineteen

3657
03:09:30,360 --> 03:09:30,760
eighty eight.

3658
03:09:31,159 --> 03:09:32,159
Speaker 2: The oh wow is it?

3659
03:09:32,159 --> 03:09:34,879
Speaker 1: That year's January Saturday It's main event still had the

3660
03:09:34,959 --> 03:09:37,239
an emotion song. So that's that's good. That's something we

3661
03:09:37,280 --> 03:09:41,920
were wondering aloud about and weren't quite sure how to take. Okay,

3662
03:09:42,000 --> 03:09:44,200
so back to this back and forth, and there's a

3663
03:09:44,200 --> 03:09:44,680
lot of it.

3664
03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3665
03:09:47,399 --> 03:09:49,959
Speaker 1: So Corey had written for Hogan and Tea hosting SNL.

3666
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:52,040
The host didn't get sick. He pulled out of the

3667
03:09:52,040 --> 03:09:53,959
gig the week of the show because of an expected

3668
03:09:54,000 --> 03:09:56,600
writers strike. I see an expected writer strike.

3669
03:09:56,760 --> 03:09:57,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

3670
03:09:57,639 --> 03:10:00,479
Speaker 1: Steve Landsberg from the TV show, Bernie Miller was the

3671
03:10:00,479 --> 03:10:03,040
scheduled host. He still appears, that's right. We did establish

3672
03:10:03,120 --> 03:10:04,920
that and does a stand up bit on the show.

3673
03:10:05,319 --> 03:10:07,440
That's what struck us as weird. He wasn't sick. He

3674
03:10:07,479 --> 03:10:09,280
was on the show. Ultimately, he was on the show.

3675
03:10:11,079 --> 03:10:12,799
And we also noted this the show was the only

3676
03:10:12,799 --> 03:10:15,120
one that doesn't have a weekend update segment on it.

3677
03:10:16,280 --> 03:10:18,120
Speaker 2: Wow. So somebody even.

3678
03:10:17,920 --> 03:10:20,600
Speaker 1: Asked us on Patroon, would we ever just deep dive

3679
03:10:20,959 --> 03:10:23,360
the Hogan mister t Saturday Night Live. I don't know,

3680
03:10:23,440 --> 03:10:25,319
kind of seems like under the cinemat adjacent more than

3681
03:10:25,319 --> 03:10:26,040
the main show.

3682
03:10:25,799 --> 03:10:28,760
Speaker 2: Worthy, but might have an idea. Yeah, that's something like

3683
03:10:28,879 --> 03:10:29,319
we could do.

3684
03:10:29,399 --> 03:10:31,719
Speaker 1: So that's I consider it an attempt to kind of

3685
03:10:31,719 --> 03:10:36,040
set some things straight. But Tom wrote back a series

3686
03:10:36,120 --> 03:10:41,040
of findings. One of them was, let's see that's interesting,

3687
03:10:41,079 --> 03:10:43,440
he writes, considering the writer's strike was over by the nineteenth.

3688
03:10:43,479 --> 03:10:44,840
He was originally supposed to host the show on the

3689
03:10:44,879 --> 03:10:47,959
sixteenth Steve Landisburg, which was bumped because of the strike.

3690
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:50,000
He pulled out of that one for sure. Okay, so

3691
03:10:50,079 --> 03:10:53,120
there was a Saturday Night's Live that Steve Landisburg pulled

3692
03:10:53,120 --> 03:10:55,000
out of but it wasn't the one that Hulk Cogan

3693
03:10:55,000 --> 03:10:57,520
and mister T ended up hosting. Now I get the confusion.

3694
03:10:58,319 --> 03:11:00,559
The thirtieth Hulkin T's episode, he writes, was supposed to

3695
03:11:00,600 --> 03:11:03,760
be a rerun. I see, I didn't know that. Really,

3696
03:11:03,799 --> 03:11:05,280
I think hulkon T were going to make an appearance

3697
03:11:05,280 --> 03:11:08,040
on the sixteenth. Tom writes, by the time the thirtieth

3698
03:11:08,040 --> 03:11:10,200
show came around, it looks like Landisburg had a conflict

3699
03:11:10,239 --> 03:11:12,600
and couldn't host, So really a lot of dumb luck. Yeah,

3700
03:11:12,600 --> 03:11:14,239
because he said something in the press that we read

3701
03:11:14,760 --> 03:11:16,639
about having to go to a family emergency or a

3702
03:11:16,639 --> 03:11:20,000
family related thing, like a right engagement of some type.

3703
03:11:20,040 --> 03:11:23,559
Maybe not an emergency, but an engagement. Yeah, by the

3704
03:11:23,559 --> 03:11:25,879
time the thirtieth show came around, it looks like Landisburg

3705
03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:28,120
had a conflict that to say, March third, thirtieth and

3706
03:11:28,159 --> 03:11:29,879
couldn't host. So really a lot of dumb luck went

3707
03:11:29,879 --> 03:11:31,799
into Hogan and Tea hosting the night before Mania. The

3708
03:11:31,840 --> 03:11:35,360
no weekend update segment is fascinating, though Downey seems to

3709
03:11:35,440 --> 03:11:37,399
have written on the thirtieth show, so not sure why

3710
03:11:37,479 --> 03:11:39,920
him and Chris Guest didn't write an update. Has to

3711
03:11:39,920 --> 03:11:42,280
have something to do with the strike, but lord knows

3712
03:11:42,319 --> 03:11:45,799
what he says. Tom says further to Steve Landisburg, it

3713
03:11:45,840 --> 03:11:47,000
looks like he had a conflict in the week of

3714
03:11:47,000 --> 03:11:49,399
the thirtieth and couldn't rehearse. But that was also during

3715
03:11:49,440 --> 03:11:51,399
a time they were using revolving guest hosts to give

3716
03:11:51,440 --> 03:11:54,360
the show more rhythm post Eddie Murphy. That's right now.

3717
03:11:54,360 --> 03:11:56,639
We talked about that too, so who knows. They easily

3718
03:11:56,639 --> 03:11:58,280
could have slotted someone else in. It doesn't look like

3719
03:11:58,399 --> 03:12:01,719
Landisburg was specifically bumped from Mania Saturday night's main event promotion,

3720
03:12:01,760 --> 03:12:03,959
but Eversall did make the call for Hogan and te

3721
03:12:04,000 --> 03:12:06,559
to host as opposed to using one of their old standbys.

3722
03:12:06,760 --> 03:12:08,879
So much dumb luck went into Mania one success.

3723
03:12:08,920 --> 03:12:10,760
Speaker 2: It's just wild to think about. It's so true.

3724
03:12:10,799 --> 03:12:13,959
Speaker 1: It's not just it's not just that they happened into

3725
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:16,399
the celebrities, it's what the celebrities are able to do

3726
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:20,479
with that time. Tom further writes a few notes on

3727
03:12:20,479 --> 03:12:23,000
eighty five TV. Dear co chairman, all the talk of

3728
03:12:23,040 --> 03:12:25,520
network TV history as my mind buzzing, But no one

3729
03:12:25,559 --> 03:12:27,520
needs to hear another long die tribe from me. Yes

3730
03:12:27,520 --> 03:12:29,760
they do about the mechanics of the TV business. So

3731
03:12:29,799 --> 03:12:31,360
I thought I'd just thrown a few quick notes. One

3732
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:34,120
the reason why Vince couldn't mention Saturday Night's main event

3733
03:12:34,120 --> 03:12:36,040
on Tuesday Night Titans, Yeah, we talked about that. Why

3734
03:12:36,079 --> 03:12:39,799
is there no promotion for this huge NBC thing was

3735
03:12:39,879 --> 03:12:42,959
centered around the Time Inc. Paramount Co ownership of USA,

3736
03:12:43,159 --> 03:12:45,799
Time Inc. Had a strong standing policy that any promotion

3737
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,200
of another network shows on USA had to involve a

3738
03:12:48,280 --> 03:12:52,040
quid pro quo. USA wanted TNT promoted on NBC in

3739
03:12:52,120 --> 03:12:54,680
exchange for USA promoting Saturday Night's main event.

3740
03:12:54,920 --> 03:12:55,639
Speaker 2: That's not happening.

3741
03:12:56,520 --> 03:12:59,479
Speaker 1: NBC's advertising team, already skeptical of wrestling's ability to draw

3742
03:12:59,479 --> 03:13:01,600
the eighteen to three before audience that NBC had built

3743
03:13:01,639 --> 03:13:04,440
their comeback on under Brandon Tartakoff, refused the deal, and

3744
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:06,959
hence the first Saturday Night's main event wasn't advertised or

3745
03:13:06,959 --> 03:13:09,879
promoted on USA. It's great intel, and I trust that

3746
03:13:09,920 --> 03:13:13,719
it's sourced well too. NBC's local affiliates had an outsized

3747
03:13:13,760 --> 03:13:16,479
influence in NBC programming decisions and how they were promoted. Yes,

3748
03:13:16,479 --> 03:13:18,639
they've always heard this about NBC that, unlike the other

3749
03:13:18,680 --> 03:13:21,680
networks like Fox, NBC's local affiliates really have a lot

3750
03:13:21,680 --> 03:13:25,319
of power for some reason. They like I can straight

3751
03:13:25,399 --> 03:13:26,559
up say like I don't care what you want to

3752
03:13:26,559 --> 03:13:28,920
put in prime time, We're putting news, and you're just

3753
03:13:28,920 --> 03:13:32,479
going to have to find another way, whereas Fox can

3754
03:13:32,559 --> 03:13:34,600
force that and force the local news and the local

3755
03:13:34,639 --> 03:13:37,479
affiliates to do whatever they want. There's some imbalance in

3756
03:13:37,520 --> 03:13:42,319
the contractual language that NBC has visa the affiliates compared

3757
03:13:42,319 --> 03:13:46,079
to the other national networks. Anyway, in the late seventies

3758
03:13:46,079 --> 03:13:48,600
early eighties, he writes, during Fred Silderman's ill Faded Rain,

3759
03:13:49,000 --> 03:13:52,399
NBC lost local affiliates had an unprecedented rate, especially after

3760
03:13:52,479 --> 03:13:55,159
Jimmy Carter pulled Team USA out of the Moscow Olympics,

3761
03:13:55,479 --> 03:13:58,559
almost bankrupting NBC. Of course, we know the Olympics are

3762
03:13:58,600 --> 03:14:02,799
basically the heart of NBC's operation. That's where a lot

3763
03:14:02,840 --> 03:14:05,520
of the money is made is advertising against the Olympics.

3764
03:14:06,079 --> 03:14:09,079
When Silverman was finally ousted in eighty one, Grant Tinker

3765
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:11,479
became chairman and CEO of the network and immediately went

3766
03:14:11,479 --> 03:14:15,280
to work wooing the affiliates back by offering unprecedented sweetheart deals.

3767
03:14:15,280 --> 03:14:18,000
See that's where it comes from right there, they're under pressure,

3768
03:14:18,360 --> 03:14:20,520
giving the affiliates a tremendous amount of freedom as to

3769
03:14:20,559 --> 03:14:23,440
how and what they promoted. This was an incredibly risky strategy,

3770
03:14:23,799 --> 03:14:26,360
as affiliates were more likely to see overnights and abandoned

3771
03:14:26,360 --> 03:14:29,280
shows faster than NBC wanted, and all likelihood it led

3772
03:14:29,319 --> 03:14:32,639
to the disastrous nineteen eighty three season, which saw none

3773
03:14:32,920 --> 03:14:35,639
of the nine new programs NBC had green Lip make

3774
03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:39,079
it to the second season, despite Tartakoff pre Wow President

3775
03:14:39,120 --> 03:14:42,799
of Entertainment Undertinker, pleading for patients. Yet it also helped

3776
03:14:43,079 --> 03:14:45,719
lead to NBC's turnaround the next season, as the affiliate

3777
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:48,399
saw The Cosby Show as a hit before the network

3778
03:14:48,440 --> 03:14:50,959
execs and gave it twice the local advertising time that

3779
03:14:51,079 --> 03:14:53,719
NBC was giving it on their Holy owned stations. My

3780
03:14:53,760 --> 03:14:56,879
guess is NBC produced fifteen second, very cheap bumpers for

3781
03:14:56,959 --> 03:14:59,360
Saturday Night's made event, the ones on YouTube that you

3782
03:14:59,399 --> 03:15:02,079
played in the SA Enemy episode, but the affiliates had

3783
03:15:02,120 --> 03:15:04,440
carte blanche to advertise it any way they saw fit.

3784
03:15:05,120 --> 03:15:07,639
As I mentioned my last email, my uncle claims that

3785
03:15:07,680 --> 03:15:09,959
in Baltimore, Saturday Night's main event was promoted as a

3786
03:15:10,000 --> 03:15:13,680
mini WrestleMania. I think that was probably the case across

3787
03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:16,440
a WWF strongholds in the northeastern mid Atlantic and only

3788
03:15:16,479 --> 03:15:19,399
in the import affiliate cities like Saint Louis, Chicago, and Minneapolis,

3789
03:15:19,680 --> 03:15:21,680
in which wrestling was a known rating straw. It was

3790
03:15:21,719 --> 03:15:24,440
a safe way for NBC to dip their toe into

3791
03:15:24,440 --> 03:15:26,639
bringing wrestling back to network while also being able to

3792
03:15:26,680 --> 03:15:28,840
pull the plug if it was an abject failure. Yeah,

3793
03:15:28,879 --> 03:15:31,760
that's true too. Gee, by being an NBC there playing

3794
03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:33,959
a risky game of affiliates saying Nope, not on my

3795
03:15:34,040 --> 03:15:36,840
network wrestling. Are you fucking kidding me?

3796
03:15:38,559 --> 03:15:38,799
Speaker 2: Three?

3797
03:15:38,840 --> 03:15:42,079
Speaker 1: The articles you found mentioning Snemy potentially being a monthly

3798
03:15:42,200 --> 03:15:45,639
show indicate that the first episode was a variation of

3799
03:15:45,639 --> 03:15:49,399
a backdoor pilot. Backdoor pilots are usually spin offs of

3800
03:15:49,479 --> 03:15:52,840
existing shows, a bait and switch that uses a time slot.

3801
03:15:52,879 --> 03:15:56,239
Speaker 2: We were We talked about this with something on Cinement

3802
03:15:56,280 --> 03:16:03,680
I don't remember h a reference to Twin Peaks. You, No,

3803
03:16:03,799 --> 03:16:06,040
it wasn't. I was thinking that might have been it,

3804
03:16:06,079 --> 03:16:08,959
but I don't think we did. I don't because the

3805
03:16:08,959 --> 03:16:16,799
the spin off for Sherylyn Fenn wasn't. Wasn't uh a

3806
03:16:16,840 --> 03:16:20,920
backdoor pilot, but I'm thinking actually Baywatch might have been it,

3807
03:16:20,959 --> 03:16:25,239
because I think I think there was a plan m

3808
03:16:26,440 --> 03:16:31,959
for Thunder and Paradise to a no no, Yeah, maybe

3809
03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:33,559
at some point Thunder Paris was going to be a

3810
03:16:33,559 --> 03:16:35,719
spin off. We're going to do a backdoor pilot or

3811
03:16:35,760 --> 03:16:38,879
something like that on inspired the show. For sure, I

3812
03:16:38,920 --> 03:16:40,760
forget about I forget how that all worked. I don't

3813
03:16:40,760 --> 03:16:43,799
remember some I know I've talked about backdoor pilots before.

3814
03:16:44,200 --> 03:16:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're basically trying to saddle onto an existing hot against.

3815
03:16:49,600 --> 03:16:52,920
Speaker 2: Well, what you're doing is you're you're putting you're basically

3816
03:16:53,000 --> 03:16:55,600
taking an episode of of a of a of a show,

3817
03:16:56,760 --> 03:17:03,360
and you're kind of instead of following with your normal characters,

3818
03:17:04,159 --> 03:17:07,639
like you'll introduce a new character in that episode and

3819
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:10,120
that character will kind of take over that episode for

3820
03:17:10,200 --> 03:17:14,600
the last one left off right and then and then

3821
03:17:14,680 --> 03:17:16,920
that so that that kind of becomes what they call

3822
03:17:16,920 --> 03:17:20,239
a backdoor pilot, so that they've they've added it, They've

3823
03:17:20,559 --> 03:17:23,159
included it in an already existing show with the intention

3824
03:17:23,440 --> 03:17:27,079
of creating a different show. I love that.

3825
03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:30,200
Speaker 1: N cis Tom Notes is the most recent example of

3826
03:17:30,239 --> 03:17:34,200
successful backdoor pilot, with CSI as the progenitor. SNME was

3827
03:17:34,239 --> 03:17:36,319
obviously not a spin off of Saturday Night Live, but

3828
03:17:36,360 --> 03:17:39,360
by marketing it is preempting SNL a reorn of SNL, since,

3829
03:17:39,680 --> 03:17:42,639
as the cast pointed out, SNL's season was already over.

3830
03:17:42,879 --> 03:17:45,399
It's clear that ever Saul was presenting SNME as a

3831
03:17:45,399 --> 03:17:48,879
potential monthly replacement for SNL, which wasn't officially even renewed

3832
03:17:48,920 --> 03:17:51,239
until Lord Michaels agreed to return. Although I have no

3833
03:17:51,319 --> 03:17:53,799
proof of this, SNME probably didn't end up with the

3834
03:17:53,799 --> 03:17:56,440
monthly time slot simply because it was wrestling. As Jack

3835
03:17:56,479 --> 03:17:59,280
pointed out, SMMME drew similar ratings to the faltering Saturday

3836
03:17:59,319 --> 03:18:01,440
Night Live and eighty forty five. But even with the

3837
03:18:01,479 --> 03:18:03,319
rock and wrestling connection and all the efforts to market

3838
03:18:03,360 --> 03:18:06,559
wrestling as an ironic postmodern reimagining of the every man

3839
03:18:06,600 --> 03:18:10,079
morality plays of the sixteenth century that the sophisticated and

3840
03:18:10,159 --> 03:18:13,760
unsophisticated audience could enjoy on different levels, and that's a

3841
03:18:13,760 --> 03:18:16,399
great description. It didn't fit NBC's idea of itself as

3842
03:18:16,399 --> 03:18:19,159
the producer of slick, fast paced, high concept dramas and

3843
03:18:19,239 --> 03:18:22,639
quick witted, sardonic with a heart sitcoms, making it the

3844
03:18:22,680 --> 03:18:25,600
go to network for yuppies. Despite Eversall's efforts, I doubt

3845
03:18:25,639 --> 03:18:28,879
he could convince Brendon Tartakoff's acolytes that were dominating the

3846
03:18:28,879 --> 03:18:30,920
network by the n of eighty five that wrestling fit

3847
03:18:30,959 --> 03:18:34,399
the network's sensibilities since still since wrestling made money and

3848
03:18:34,440 --> 03:18:36,120
no doubt was hot and never saw still had a

3849
03:18:36,159 --> 03:18:38,760
lot of jews, it kept SNMY earned its spot as

3850
03:18:38,799 --> 03:18:40,879
a special that could be relied on to maintain a

3851
03:18:40,879 --> 03:18:43,799
good portion of SNL's audience three or four times a year.

3852
03:18:44,159 --> 03:18:47,000
And for mister T and Hogan, hosting SNL is probably

3853
03:18:47,040 --> 03:18:50,200
the luckiest thing that ever happened to Vince. Not only

3854
03:18:50,200 --> 03:18:52,760
did I ever Saul probably agree to the appearances that

3855
03:18:52,799 --> 03:18:55,040
turned it into hosting because he knew SNMME he was

3856
03:18:55,040 --> 03:18:57,239
in the works. The March thirtieth episode was actually supposed

3857
03:18:57,280 --> 03:18:59,440
to be a rerun. The two weak writer strike of

3858
03:18:59,559 --> 03:19:03,040
nineteen March fifth to the nineteenth caused the scheduled March

3859
03:19:03,079 --> 03:19:05,879
sixteenth episode to get bumped. Had the March sixteenth SNL

3860
03:19:05,920 --> 03:19:08,360
gone forward, I don't know whether T and Hogan would

3861
03:19:08,360 --> 03:19:10,360
have been on the show or not, but it definitely

3862
03:19:10,399 --> 03:19:13,399
wouldn't have had the impact on WrestleMania the March thirtieth appearance,

3863
03:19:13,520 --> 03:19:15,040
Did I have a bunch of stuff?

3864
03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:15,520
Speaker 2: I never saw this.

3865
03:19:15,559 --> 03:19:18,000
Speaker 1: Incredibly interesting but a bit overrated career. But since this

3866
03:19:18,120 --> 03:19:20,440
is already too long, I will save that for another time.

3867
03:19:20,479 --> 03:19:22,920
Maybe they ever saw tribute. Yeah, he's gonna pass. He's

3868
03:19:22,920 --> 03:19:25,520
going to pass. Yeah, we gotta be ready to consider

3869
03:19:25,520 --> 03:19:28,520
what that would mean happen. Oh and for anyone who cares.

3870
03:19:28,520 --> 03:19:30,600
He adds that this info comes from a variety of sources.

3871
03:19:30,639 --> 03:19:32,559
I used to create lecture notes for one of the

3872
03:19:32,680 --> 03:19:35,040
entertainment history classes I taught back in the day. Fuck you,

3873
03:19:35,079 --> 03:19:38,840
I fucking bring it, Tom, Jesus christ Man. We have

3874
03:19:38,920 --> 03:19:43,479
the beneficiaries of the downstream intellect and the downstream or sources,

3875
03:19:43,520 --> 03:19:46,200
and life experiences and career experiences of our listeners. Yes,

3876
03:19:47,280 --> 03:19:51,719
they're all tributary, so this mighty fucking stream, he said.

3877
03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:53,319
I sent the sne to Me one episode to a

3878
03:19:53,360 --> 03:19:55,479
few old TV lifers who really loved it. Made them

3879
03:19:55,479 --> 03:19:57,479
nostalgic for the old days that indeed used to be

3880
03:19:57,479 --> 03:20:01,159
better yours and cinemania, Tom, that's right, it's good stuff.

3881
03:20:01,200 --> 03:20:08,479
Now you were in Semnia, Myermania. I want you to

3882
03:20:08,520 --> 03:20:11,879
take a look at what he sent us before I

3883
03:20:11,959 --> 03:20:16,520
read off the the email. The description here it is

3884
03:20:16,559 --> 03:20:20,959
a sight to behold. Tell the people, Tell the people.

3885
03:20:21,680 --> 03:20:25,920
Before I read the email, what you see, Dotter be

3886
03:20:25,959 --> 03:20:28,200
Frank Silva, You're almost there?

3887
03:20:29,959 --> 03:20:36,360
Speaker 2: Wow, holy shit? What do you see? H Yeah, it

3888
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:43,520
is a sch Mortgas board of of Mattel w what

3889
03:20:43,559 --> 03:20:45,760
it was this ninety seven? I guess huh, it's all

3890
03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:54,520
ninety seven guys with in the front. You got Psycho

3891
03:20:54,639 --> 03:21:01,280
sid with the ball water Yeah, pointing at sausage.

3892
03:21:01,440 --> 03:21:04,040
Speaker 1: He's got a legit can of Vienna is set up

3893
03:21:04,120 --> 03:21:06,639
right in front of this parade, almost like a nineteen

3894
03:21:06,719 --> 03:21:08,440
ninety two Royal Rumble promotional poster.

3895
03:21:08,760 --> 03:21:12,719
Speaker 2: Right, it's all ninety seven. You got the DX in

3896
03:21:12,760 --> 03:21:17,399
the back, triple h China HBK, even fucking insurance policy,

3897
03:21:17,479 --> 03:21:21,159
Rick Rude. You got the Heart Foundation on the right.

3898
03:21:21,280 --> 03:21:25,959
You got the three Faces of Foli. You got Taker Austin, Rocky,

3899
03:21:26,040 --> 03:21:28,600
my Via, the Sultan for fuck's sake, the Headbangers with

3900
03:21:28,639 --> 03:21:31,879
tag bells of the Nation, Domination and Vodder. That's a

3901
03:21:32,040 --> 03:21:34,959
that's a fucking that's hilarious. You're right.

3902
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:37,120
Speaker 1: I normally don't send the same stuff of emails. They

3903
03:21:37,120 --> 03:21:39,520
don't patroon boards Rex, But the look of pure disgust

3904
03:21:39,639 --> 03:21:41,719
my wife gave me when I bought this can of

3905
03:21:41,799 --> 03:21:44,760
Viennas for my ninety seven display made me even more

3906
03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:49,520
proud to be hashtag lapsed. Sincerely Meyermania, PS, Fox, Scott

3907
03:21:49,559 --> 03:21:51,879
Norton and Buff Bagwell sit in a can Viennas are

3908
03:21:51,879 --> 03:21:56,680
the real, vicious and delicious, incredible pictures, incredible scenes. We

3909
03:21:56,719 --> 03:21:58,200
should post time with the.

3910
03:21:58,200 --> 03:22:02,079
Speaker 2: Episode that's that's really funny with the ball water water

3911
03:22:02,159 --> 03:22:04,360
truly special. Anonymous.

3912
03:22:04,520 --> 03:22:05,920
Speaker 1: If you want to see the picture when you listen

3913
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:07,760
to this episode and we forgot about it, which is likely,

3914
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:10,079
just send us a message on X and we'll post

3915
03:22:10,079 --> 03:22:14,239
it anonymous as or maybe Meyer will. Eleven years into

3916
03:22:14,239 --> 03:22:16,559
the cast Anonymous rights and they got me dying laughing

3917
03:22:16,600 --> 03:22:20,639
at King Kong. Bundy hooked up to a feeding tube.

3918
03:22:21,559 --> 03:22:28,399
Chris Man, all that you got that episode?

3919
03:22:28,399 --> 03:22:28,760
Speaker 2: Didn't you?

3920
03:22:29,600 --> 03:22:32,840
Speaker 1: All that moisture? Chris says, that was always on SID?

3921
03:22:32,959 --> 03:22:34,479
What if it was Vienna juice?

3922
03:22:34,760 --> 03:22:39,159
Speaker 2: Oh oh, listen, listen. I have no doubt that the

3923
03:22:39,760 --> 03:22:46,239
juices that flow from SID or Vienna come from Vienna,

3924
03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:48,680
or at least a VJ and baby oil mix just

3925
03:22:48,680 --> 03:22:53,239
to give it that very specific beating effect, that that salty, salty,

3926
03:22:53,440 --> 03:22:57,239
meaty beat. That's so nasty.

3927
03:22:56,760 --> 03:22:59,680
Speaker 1: It is salty. So yeah, the beats of sweat on

3928
03:22:59,680 --> 03:23:01,120
Sid or salty age.

3929
03:23:01,520 --> 03:23:05,280
Speaker 2: Yes, listen because you can see the like basically the

3930
03:23:05,360 --> 03:23:09,920
salt on its flesh. It's it's so rough. Oh you know,

3931
03:23:10,079 --> 03:23:13,440
it's so weathered, be so weather beaten. It's exactly right.

3932
03:23:13,639 --> 03:23:14,600
It's exactly right.

3933
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:18,239
Speaker 1: Amber saw under the Cinemat episode one thirty seven, Death

3934
03:23:18,239 --> 03:23:20,799
from Above speaking of Sid, and said, you know what,

3935
03:23:21,000 --> 03:23:24,879
just upgraded my pledged access this one. Very excited for

3936
03:23:24,920 --> 03:23:28,120
future discussions about bankers and tears as well. Oh I know,

3937
03:23:28,479 --> 03:23:31,319
oh my god, Oh that's one to see. As we

3938
03:23:31,399 --> 03:23:36,760
paid tribute to the short, short lived film career of Sydney,

3939
03:23:37,959 --> 03:23:42,000
Darren sent us something that kind of shocks the conscience

3940
03:23:42,040 --> 03:23:44,440
when you first see it. I'm gonna let you see

3941
03:23:44,479 --> 03:23:47,399
the picture, boss, and then tell the story. Yeah, you know,

3942
03:23:47,840 --> 03:23:51,600
it's not just wrestling analysis that we're looking for. Sometimes

3943
03:23:51,639 --> 03:23:55,239
we also get slices of life from our great listeners

3944
03:23:55,440 --> 03:23:57,840
in the mailbox. Take a look at Darren here fucking

3945
03:23:58,120 --> 03:24:01,040
tough time, Hey guys. He writes, you were talking about

3946
03:24:01,040 --> 03:24:03,159
taking a headbut on the Death from Above cast and

3947
03:24:03,200 --> 03:24:04,680
I had to share a couple of pictures of me

3948
03:24:04,719 --> 03:24:06,680
when I got busted open by running into the back

3949
03:24:06,719 --> 03:24:07,959
of someone else's head.

3950
03:24:07,760 --> 03:24:09,840
Speaker 2: While playing oh shit.

3951
03:24:09,799 --> 03:24:13,239
Speaker 1: Soccer, football whatever. It was such a weird sensation, but

3952
03:24:13,319 --> 03:24:15,920
I know sold it and felt like prime mcfoley. The

3953
03:24:15,959 --> 03:24:17,680
cut is on the right eyebrow. You can just about

3954
03:24:17,719 --> 03:24:18,239
make it out.

3955
03:24:18,440 --> 03:24:21,159
Speaker 2: E c dub dub.

3956
03:24:21,280 --> 03:24:23,040
Speaker 1: You ever been busted open like that? I have not,

3957
03:24:23,760 --> 03:24:30,040
h no, but I I did. Hi.

3958
03:24:30,559 --> 03:24:32,520
Speaker 2: I was talking about when I, when I, when I

3959
03:24:32,639 --> 03:24:36,879
hit when I, when I kit nogging my you know,

3960
03:24:36,920 --> 03:24:41,000
with the but that was that was like right in

3961
03:24:41,040 --> 03:24:44,159
the middle of my face there, right between my brows.

3962
03:24:44,239 --> 03:24:47,319
I see. But the other time I ran headfirst into

3963
03:24:47,399 --> 03:24:50,680
somebody's skull. I was in I think it was in

3964
03:24:50,760 --> 03:24:55,040
third grade and it was gym class and I was

3965
03:24:55,159 --> 03:24:58,440
running and I just I was looking to my to

3966
03:24:58,520 --> 03:25:02,200
the side, and and then I turned forward again and

3967
03:25:02,239 --> 03:25:06,000
I ran face first into the kid's skull and I

3968
03:25:06,120 --> 03:25:12,159
broke my nose. Oh like I I hit him. And

3969
03:25:12,200 --> 03:25:14,239
then the next thing I knew, I was like on

3970
03:25:14,280 --> 03:25:16,120
the floor and I had, you know, it was like

3971
03:25:16,280 --> 03:25:18,360
in a movie where you you know, they had the

3972
03:25:18,399 --> 03:25:20,479
camera angle of somebody who's passed out and you've got

3973
03:25:20,760 --> 03:25:23,200
like a circle of people around you, like looking down

3974
03:25:23,200 --> 03:25:24,120
at you. That's what happened.

3975
03:25:24,159 --> 03:25:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened to me. But I didn't get busted open.

3976
03:25:26,319 --> 03:25:27,559
But I banged my head in a poll and the

3977
03:25:27,559 --> 03:25:28,360
recess one time.

3978
03:25:28,440 --> 03:25:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh, and I was so.

3979
03:25:30,239 --> 03:25:32,520
Speaker 1: Mad because people just okay, okay, okay, and it's like

3980
03:25:32,799 --> 03:25:35,399
you're putting more pressure on me to make you feel

3981
03:25:35,399 --> 03:25:38,639
like I'm okay than than just letting me be and

3982
03:25:38,680 --> 03:25:40,079
get over this, you know, and recovery.

3983
03:25:40,079 --> 03:25:40,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on.

3984
03:25:41,040 --> 03:25:44,159
Speaker 1: I got knocked silly, Like right, I don't I'm not

3985
03:25:44,280 --> 03:25:47,959
worried right now about giving you the answer you're looking for. Yeah, Like,

3986
03:25:48,360 --> 03:25:50,440
was so pissed off that so many people were like,

3987
03:25:50,920 --> 03:25:52,959
oh talking to me at the same time as I

3988
03:25:53,000 --> 03:25:56,840
don't want anything to do with anybody right now. Absolutely, yeah,

3989
03:25:57,520 --> 03:25:59,799
I remember, like and they were and the gym teacher

3990
03:25:59,879 --> 03:26:01,360
was like talking about oh, yeah, you know, it's so

3991
03:26:01,399 --> 03:26:03,440
big deal. All they'll do is will just fucking you know,

3992
03:26:03,479 --> 03:26:06,000
they'll put your nose in advice and just fucking crack

3993
03:26:06,079 --> 03:26:06,319
it over.

3994
03:26:06,360 --> 03:26:08,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that sounds fine. You know, thank you.

3995
03:26:08,879 --> 03:26:11,959
I never got it fixed. You didn't know. I never did. Fascinating,

3996
03:26:12,079 --> 03:26:16,520
never did heal. Was no fucking way that I'm gonna

3997
03:26:16,520 --> 03:26:22,920
have someone fucking touch my nose in uh no way.

3998
03:26:22,879 --> 03:26:27,959
Speaker 1: Like it like cracking a popsicle stick? Ship No so sinewy,

3999
03:26:28,799 --> 03:26:35,000
oh so much? Cracking so much like popping noises? Oh fuck?

4000
03:26:35,159 --> 03:26:40,000
Don't Brennan fucking Myers rights happy to be the person

4001
03:26:40,040 --> 03:26:42,319
who sent JP the pick of Jerry Lawler in the Bubbles.

4002
03:26:42,319 --> 03:26:44,200
I'm not sorry and we'll do it again.

4003
03:26:46,440 --> 03:26:51,000
Speaker 2: Lawla in the bubbles? Remember that one that was a

4004
03:26:51,000 --> 03:26:52,879
bubble bath? What's the next email?

4005
03:26:54,040 --> 03:26:56,520
Speaker 1: Ali says in retrospect, it would have made more sense

4006
03:26:56,559 --> 03:27:00,200
for sibbyan owner Mula to walk out to she Bop instead.

4007
03:26:59,920 --> 03:27:03,520
Speaker 2: Of Wendy Richter. It's hard to argue that. Big ups

4008
03:27:03,559 --> 03:27:09,479
to Roberto for the place I forgot about fucking on

4009
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:12,440
the city or the corner of the Westinghouse dryer. Is

4010
03:27:12,479 --> 03:27:26,040
that ship? Oh fuck sounds from Mula drive? Oh my god?

4011
03:27:29,680 --> 03:27:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always know how how much it intensifies that

4012
03:27:32,440 --> 03:27:34,920
the experience and the sensation to scream my pussy in

4013
03:27:34,959 --> 03:27:43,559
the middle of it. Imagine, Matthew writes, after it.

4014
03:27:43,559 --> 03:27:50,639
Speaker 2: By yourself like no one. Oh she's so old, So

4015
03:27:50,680 --> 03:27:56,559
she's been through so much trusty fucking fucking lakes like

4016
03:27:57,040 --> 03:27:58,319
oh flakes.

4017
03:27:58,000 --> 03:28:08,719
Speaker 1: Oh fucking Marge Simpson's sister over here. Oh oh yeah, gross,

4018
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:11,479
Matthew writes, after all these years, it was a tag

4019
03:28:11,520 --> 03:28:14,639
team called the Big Short with the Shareholder as they're finishing, move.

4020
03:28:16,200 --> 03:28:22,200
Speaker 2: That makes Boss completely lose it. Oh God, so stupid.

4021
03:28:22,559 --> 03:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Nicholas Moore, thank you for the pledge. Welcome to the

4022
03:28:24,600 --> 03:28:28,360
VIP circle, my friend. Yes, this is a big one.

4023
03:28:28,399 --> 03:28:29,840
We talked about the main event and I had this

4024
03:28:29,879 --> 03:28:32,840
feeling that it wasn't live. Remember this, Yes, it's like,

4025
03:28:32,959 --> 03:28:35,319
was the Hogan Andre match live? Why do I?

4026
03:28:35,319 --> 03:28:36,920
Speaker 2: I messed up? It was live?

4027
03:28:37,120 --> 03:28:40,319
Speaker 1: Of course the Friday night primetime ones were the Hogan

4028
03:28:40,399 --> 03:28:42,280
Savage one to set up Brus twenty five was live.

4029
03:28:42,559 --> 03:28:44,319
What I was remembering And I looked back on this

4030
03:28:45,239 --> 03:28:47,639
and Christopher knows because he says he was in attendance

4031
03:28:47,680 --> 03:28:50,760
at the Bradley Center in Milwaukee and he remembers Vince

4032
03:28:50,799 --> 03:28:52,959
exhorting the crowd to make as much noise as it

4033
03:28:52,959 --> 03:28:57,479
could as they counted down to going live on NBC. Yeah,

4034
03:28:57,520 --> 03:28:59,440
you don't do that unless you are alive. I guess

4035
03:29:00,920 --> 03:29:03,760
now what it was was it aired on a three

4036
03:29:03,799 --> 03:29:05,879
hour delay on the West coast, so it could air.

4037
03:29:05,719 --> 03:29:08,600
Speaker 2: At eight PM. Oh sure, And a lot of the word.

4038
03:29:08,399 --> 03:29:10,639
Speaker 1: Had traveled for people, you know that could pick up

4039
03:29:10,680 --> 03:29:14,520
the phone. It's hardcore wrestling fans found ways to know

4040
03:29:14,600 --> 03:29:16,719
what was about to happen. But further than that, there

4041
03:29:16,760 --> 03:29:18,440
was reporting earlier in the week and some of the

4042
03:29:18,479 --> 03:29:21,399
mainstream press, not just the wrestling newsletters, that andre was

4043
03:29:21,440 --> 03:29:23,639
going to go over for the title, and WWF did

4044
03:29:23,680 --> 03:29:26,559
not refute the reports. In fact, interestingly, they didn't even

4045
03:29:26,559 --> 03:29:28,159
freak out about him. They didn't even care about them.

4046
03:29:28,680 --> 03:29:30,799
Speaker 2: Well because you know what that's actually going to get

4047
03:29:30,799 --> 03:29:33,799
people to tune in, right or because when you got

4048
03:29:34,079 --> 03:29:35,920
like Hogan been champion for.

4049
03:29:35,840 --> 03:29:37,799
Speaker 1: Four years, to see how they're going to pull that off,

4050
03:29:37,959 --> 03:29:41,600
right exactly. That's an excellent point. I wonder if that

4051
03:29:41,639 --> 03:29:43,639
crossed their mind. But whatever the case, they were nonchalant

4052
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:45,680
about it. And that's what it was. It was like

4053
03:29:46,040 --> 03:29:49,920
people went into that show knowing that Andrea was going

4054
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:51,479
to win, That's what I was remembering, But they didn't

4055
03:29:51,520 --> 03:29:53,879
know he was going to win because the show had

4056
03:29:53,920 --> 03:29:55,120
been taped three days before.

4057
03:29:55,680 --> 03:29:56,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, it was about to air.

4058
03:29:57,200 --> 03:29:59,440
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case like the other Saturday It's made events,

4059
03:30:00,600 --> 03:30:02,920
Jeff writes, with Netflix, because of course, we go back

4060
03:30:02,959 --> 03:30:05,159
to our Netflix live call that kicked off twenty twenty

4061
03:30:05,159 --> 03:30:07,920
five here on on Patreon with Netflix one of the

4062
03:30:07,959 --> 03:30:09,799
most It used to be better parts of modern society,

4063
03:30:09,840 --> 03:30:12,600
he writes, his boardroom speak being part of every day vernacular.

4064
03:30:13,360 --> 03:30:16,760
Fans applauding to be part of a record gate, fans

4065
03:30:16,840 --> 03:30:20,120
cheering on the ratings points. You're not in a boardroom,

4066
03:30:20,280 --> 03:30:23,399
You're in sweatpants on Reddit. Stop living vicariously through the

4067
03:30:23,479 --> 03:30:24,520
company's analytics.

4068
03:30:24,520 --> 03:30:26,479
Speaker 2: You're what are you talking about? He writes, like this

4069
03:30:27,120 --> 03:30:28,200
is great shit.

4070
03:30:29,200 --> 03:30:31,040
Speaker 1: He says, laps fan stories that make me want to

4071
03:30:31,040 --> 03:30:34,200
cry one Mike Chris Van Eric two anytime they read

4072
03:30:34,239 --> 03:30:37,559
stories about eighty to nineties television, a time when the

4073
03:30:37,559 --> 03:30:40,479
networks created programming that we wanted to watch, not content

4074
03:30:40,639 --> 03:30:42,200
to trend and vanish a week later.

4075
03:30:42,719 --> 03:30:43,959
Speaker 2: We didn't about content.

4076
03:30:45,239 --> 03:30:47,760
Speaker 1: We didn't know how good we had it. Yes, the

4077
03:30:47,799 --> 03:30:50,000
best stuff is better, he writes, but day to day

4078
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:52,639
programming back then was so much better and easier to access,

4079
03:30:52,879 --> 03:30:55,200
and just saying people were a lot more agreeable when

4080
03:30:56,159 --> 03:30:58,280
they had something to watch every night with little effort

4081
03:30:58,319 --> 03:31:02,319
required from the view that puts gets people agitated when

4082
03:31:02,319 --> 03:31:04,479
they got to do all this fucking work to find

4083
03:31:04,520 --> 03:31:08,079
something to watch. Sure, Marshall McDonald, thanks for your increase

4084
03:31:08,399 --> 03:31:11,600
in pledge. Further to the Netflix point, JW. Wright's of

4085
03:31:11,760 --> 03:31:15,360
streaming and archives, they threw everything they could at it

4086
03:31:15,479 --> 03:31:18,840
on that January what was generary third raw whenever the

4087
03:31:18,879 --> 03:31:20,239
Netflix one was was the sixth.

4088
03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:21,639
Speaker 2: It was the sixth. That's right, January sixth.

4089
03:31:21,719 --> 03:31:23,959
Speaker 1: I remember that they threw everything they could at it,

4090
03:31:24,000 --> 03:31:26,239
and it was the same remaining three million US marks

4091
03:31:26,280 --> 03:31:29,200
tuning in as much less than that. I'm not sure

4092
03:31:29,200 --> 03:31:31,680
if total minutes watched had been released, but expect some

4093
03:31:31,840 --> 03:31:35,159
unique and meaningless vanity metrics. He was right and irrelevant

4094
03:31:35,200 --> 03:31:36,559
exbot stats.

4095
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Once.

4096
03:31:38,239 --> 03:31:40,799
Speaker 1: It's clearly the same sad remnant of two to three

4097
03:31:40,840 --> 03:31:43,000
million fans in the US who were willing to spend

4098
03:31:43,000 --> 03:31:47,440
time watching their bad live streaming sport simulation comedy sketch program.

4099
03:31:47,879 --> 03:31:50,520
Just like one point six million Network subscribers are two

4100
03:31:50,520 --> 03:31:52,440
million Fox viewers. It's not going to end up being

4101
03:31:52,440 --> 03:31:54,799
worth it to Netflix, and the Carnival will pull up

4102
03:31:54,840 --> 03:31:57,879
its stakes and head to the next platform archives. The

4103
03:31:57,920 --> 03:32:00,479
problems are demand driven. Was also a huge Jeff One

4104
03:32:00,479 --> 03:32:02,319
fan as a kid in the nineteen eighties. Until summer

4105
03:32:02,360 --> 03:32:05,559
twenty twenty two, you could see everything on archive dot org,

4106
03:32:06,079 --> 03:32:09,079
ESPN versions with commercials or without BBC, you name it.

4107
03:32:09,360 --> 03:32:11,600
Someone uploaded their vhss all the way back to nineteen

4108
03:32:11,639 --> 03:32:13,719
seventy eight. When the F one Network pulled the plug,

4109
03:32:13,760 --> 03:32:15,799
I was assured by fools that it didn't matter because

4110
03:32:15,799 --> 03:32:18,239
they too had an archive. They didn't they didn't have

4111
03:32:18,360 --> 03:32:21,840
shit ten minute recaps in race per season, whole seasons

4112
03:32:21,879 --> 03:32:23,959
covered in a forty five minute video. But the moronic

4113
03:32:23,959 --> 03:32:26,319
fans on social media will say with god like certainty

4114
03:32:26,399 --> 03:32:28,639
that the F one Network has an archive dating back

4115
03:32:28,680 --> 03:32:31,280
to all the past seasons. The people who pay the

4116
03:32:31,280 --> 03:32:34,719
most attention are massively outnumbered by people who think they

4117
03:32:34,719 --> 03:32:37,920
are paying attention but really aren't. They are about to

4118
03:32:37,959 --> 03:32:41,680
learn that lesson hard when it comes to the when

4119
03:32:41,719 --> 03:32:45,479
it comes to the past, let me tell you I'm worried.

4120
03:32:46,479 --> 03:32:49,000
Josh Rumbin, thank you very much for the pledge. Josh rumbin.

4121
03:32:49,040 --> 03:32:51,799
We appreciate it. Jordan Biddle, thank you so much for

4122
03:32:51,879 --> 03:32:55,840
your support on Patreon. JB is really feeling it, he says,

4123
03:32:55,879 --> 03:32:57,879
I'm not sure if this can be read on air,

4124
03:32:57,879 --> 03:33:00,159
but I would appreciate it. Hey, co chairs, forgive me

4125
03:33:00,200 --> 03:33:02,280
as I have sinned for far too long. I've been

4126
03:33:02,319 --> 03:33:04,440
listening to TLF as a free loading bitch, going back

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they deserve, but what they have earned. I won't take

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up too much time, but really want to thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: Money equals TLF. You're damn right, Jay, it's all, it's all,

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you're staying strong up in that twenty dollars tier GMB

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pledge up to the mote tier. Not kidding around at all,

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03:34:29,120 --> 03:34:31,399
Corey so excited to see the Colisseum collection back in

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03:34:31,399 --> 03:34:33,879
twenty twenty five, It says, Bravo, this is what we

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needed most excited I've been in a while for a show.

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We'd need that sweet coliseum video action march this train

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all the way to the best of the British Bulldog's tape.

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03:34:42,200 --> 03:34:44,079
He says, how far down the road is that one?

4166
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Speaker 2: Boss? I don't even know. Let me see here. It's

4167
03:34:46,959 --> 03:34:49,479
it's not like two. I mean, well, it depends like

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03:34:50,040 --> 03:34:54,639
it's hard with these Colosseum tapes. Let me see video. Okay,

4169
03:34:54,879 --> 03:34:55,559
you're looking big.

4170
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Speaker 1: Shout outs to Lucas Vincent for bumping up recently to

4171
03:34:58,520 --> 03:34:59,159
the EP tier.

4172
03:34:59,520 --> 03:35:05,239
Speaker 2: Different way, but that's okay, here we go. Let's see here.

4173
03:35:06,120 --> 03:35:09,879
Speaker 1: DT, thank you very much for your pledge. Kate, well,

4174
03:35:09,920 --> 03:35:11,680
thank you for your pledge in the ten dollars tier.

4175
03:35:11,719 --> 03:35:12,879
We deeply appreciate that.

4176
03:35:14,959 --> 03:35:18,799
Speaker 2: It's not that fighting, really, Bridge Fox is number thirty

4177
03:35:19,000 --> 03:35:23,239
and what do we just do? We just best of

4178
03:35:23,360 --> 03:35:26,719
w's the best of seven? Right? Yeah? All right? So

4179
03:35:26,799 --> 03:35:29,840
then we at one, two, three, four, five, six more?

4180
03:35:29,959 --> 03:35:35,239
What's the next morning Ago? Next is ww's explosive TNT show.

4181
03:35:35,319 --> 03:35:38,440
Oh Jesus, that's a big one. That's a tasty one.

4182
03:35:38,600 --> 03:35:40,639
That's going to be very very interesting. I agree.

4183
03:35:41,040 --> 03:35:45,360
Speaker 1: Team Janner writes, democracy gives people the illusion of choice.

4184
03:35:46,200 --> 03:35:48,159
Speaker 2: The last Yes, the.

4185
03:35:48,239 --> 03:35:53,760
Speaker 1: Lapsed will last forever. Graveyard Entertainment writes, greetings, co chairs

4186
03:35:53,799 --> 03:35:55,760
want to submit a request for Under the cinemat if

4187
03:35:55,799 --> 03:35:59,600
looks could kill starring Richard Greicho. Oh god, IM sure,

4188
03:35:59,639 --> 03:36:02,120
but any and connected for him? But Gabriel Anoir played

4189
03:36:02,120 --> 03:36:04,120
a role. And it was also Fiona on burn Notice,

4190
03:36:04,159 --> 03:36:06,840
which was paired with Raw on USA for years and

4191
03:36:06,840 --> 03:36:09,559
featured an episode with Big Show season five, episode four

4192
03:36:09,639 --> 03:36:12,600
doing scenes with Gabriel Andnoir. Could be more connections, but

4193
03:36:12,760 --> 03:36:14,239
that was the one I found that. I hope it

4194
03:36:14,319 --> 03:36:17,639
is enough, not even close to being a connection. Yeah,

4195
03:36:17,639 --> 03:36:21,079
that does Gabriel an war acting with someone's got to

4196
03:36:21,079 --> 03:36:21,840
be on wrestling.

4197
03:36:22,040 --> 03:36:25,399
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what to be. Someone's got to be on wrestling.

4198
03:36:25,479 --> 03:36:28,719
They can't have interacted on a on a on a

4199
03:36:28,799 --> 03:36:33,000
show that isn't wrestling. I appreciate the effort. I'm not

4200
03:36:33,000 --> 03:36:36,760
trying to Oh yeah, I appreciate all effort, but they've

4201
03:36:36,799 --> 03:36:38,639
got to be. It's got to be a real.

4202
03:36:38,799 --> 03:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Childhood favorite of his. So he's hoping against.

4203
03:36:40,680 --> 03:36:42,639
Speaker 2: Hope, but I know I understand. Listen, you know what,

4204
03:36:42,680 --> 03:36:45,559
they probably there might be a one. I mean, because

4205
03:36:45,600 --> 03:36:49,159
to me that that's even It might as well have

4206
03:36:49,239 --> 03:36:51,079
been Richard Grieco being in the connection because he was

4207
03:36:51,120 --> 03:36:54,799
an almighty four with fucking Kevin Nash. You know that's

4208
03:36:54,799 --> 03:36:58,040
the same kind of connection and that that doesn't work.

4209
03:36:58,319 --> 03:37:00,920
But what's the name of the movie again? Oh? Man,

4210
03:37:00,959 --> 03:37:06,120
I just had it. I just lost it too. Uh,

4211
03:37:06,559 --> 03:37:14,159
let's see it is. Bear with me here for a second. Yeah,

4212
03:37:16,479 --> 03:37:23,159
the movie is If Looks Could Kill If looks I

4213
03:37:23,200 --> 03:37:27,280
feel like sounds familiar. Yeah, it does sound familiar. I'll

4214
03:37:27,280 --> 03:37:32,319
sign me one. Yeah, I'll see. I'll take a quick consideration.

4215
03:37:32,479 --> 03:37:32,680
Keep on.

4216
03:37:33,120 --> 03:37:34,840
Speaker 1: Well, take a look Team Jenner. We need to thank

4217
03:37:34,879 --> 03:37:37,040
Team Jenner as well, not only for that democracy message

4218
03:37:37,040 --> 03:37:40,280
but a way to increase in pledge. We deeply appreciate that.

4219
03:37:41,239 --> 03:37:46,559
My friend Chris writes, let's see, uh, this is the

4220
03:37:46,559 --> 03:37:49,559
episodehere the chairman almost killed me. Okay, this is which one.

4221
03:37:49,920 --> 03:37:53,319
Speaker 2: Let's see that could be any of the four hundred

4222
03:37:53,360 --> 03:37:55,479
fucking episodes that we've.

4223
03:37:55,280 --> 03:37:57,799
Speaker 1: Done talking to our villains of the Squared Circle Coliseum

4224
03:37:57,840 --> 03:38:00,680
collection episode. Because what happened was this is the first

4225
03:38:00,680 --> 03:38:02,159
time on the bench press with a way I haven't

4226
03:38:02,159 --> 03:38:04,440
tried in years. Halfway through the second set, in the

4227
03:38:04,440 --> 03:38:07,520
exchange between Dick Eversoll and Vince goes like this, Dick,

4228
03:38:08,159 --> 03:38:12,000
this fucking guy over here, Vince George Steele, Do you

4229
03:38:12,000 --> 03:38:13,479
want me to call him this fucking guy? I can

4230
03:38:13,520 --> 03:38:19,440
do that, no problem. Not an exact transcript, Chris writes,

4231
03:38:19,600 --> 03:38:21,600
I was fighting for my life to keep the bar

4232
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:24,280
bell from dropping on my throat because I was laughing

4233
03:38:24,280 --> 03:38:26,200
too hard while trying to rack the bar bell. Well,

4234
03:38:26,959 --> 03:38:30,079
be careful about operating heavy machinery with that cast buried

4235
03:38:30,079 --> 03:38:30,559
in your ass.

4236
03:38:30,600 --> 03:38:32,719
Speaker 2: That's all I can say about that. Hey, listen, Yeah,

4237
03:38:32,840 --> 03:38:38,840
that we we when it comes to working out, we

4238
03:38:39,000 --> 03:38:41,040
strive as to fuck you up.

4239
03:38:41,680 --> 03:38:44,399
Speaker 1: Christopher raises a sobering point, and we talked about it

4240
03:38:44,600 --> 03:38:47,040
when we did some Colisseum videos with so many guys

4241
03:38:47,040 --> 03:38:49,319
from the seventies on it. He writes, I wonder how

4242
03:38:49,319 --> 03:38:51,200
long it will be until every single person on a

4243
03:38:51,239 --> 03:38:52,760
show is also on the death toll.

4244
03:38:53,239 --> 03:38:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a main It's gotta be like a like

4245
03:38:56,959 --> 03:39:02,200
a main show, like a night like an eighty show.

4246
03:39:02,680 --> 03:39:05,959
Speaker 1: Can't be that far away from that. We'll be casting

4247
03:39:05,959 --> 03:39:07,440
when the day comes. I can feel it.

4248
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, there will come a time

4249
03:39:10,760 --> 03:39:14,079
where there there will be a uh, you know, kind

4250
03:39:14,079 --> 03:39:21,520
of retroactively changing, you know, like if like Wrestlmingia too,

4251
03:39:21,600 --> 03:39:24,600
for example. I know has got so many fucking dead people. Yes,

4252
03:39:24,840 --> 03:39:28,680
and it's only obviously expanded since we did the show.

4253
03:39:29,239 --> 03:39:30,719
That's gonna be the thing is there's going to be

4254
03:39:30,840 --> 03:39:34,159
an older episode where everybody's going to be dead. Wow.

4255
03:39:35,319 --> 03:39:36,120
Get ready for it.

4256
03:39:36,159 --> 03:39:38,200
Speaker 1: Bess says, I often think about that. Sadly, I think

4257
03:39:38,200 --> 03:39:39,799
by the end of the twenty twenties, no one from

4258
03:39:39,799 --> 03:39:42,760
the eighty four to eighty six era will be around anymore.

4259
03:39:43,600 --> 03:39:46,760
Think about that, Scott Gallagher, thank you very.

4260
03:39:46,719 --> 03:39:48,600
Speaker 2: Much for that. I mean, I think I think Steamboat

4261
03:39:48,680 --> 03:39:50,000
is going to be around for a while. I think so.

4262
03:39:51,040 --> 03:39:55,399
I mean, is he any any health problems. I don't

4263
03:39:55,440 --> 03:39:57,360
think so, No, not that I've heard of. I think

4264
03:39:57,360 --> 03:39:59,559
he's all right. I think he's he's gonna be someone

4265
03:39:59,600 --> 03:40:04,040
who fucks it up for everybody. Yeah for sure. Yeah, yep,

4266
03:40:04,159 --> 03:40:08,440
that's a great point. You probably will do that. Yeah.

4267
03:40:09,040 --> 03:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Tom had to write in this is a different Tom

4268
03:40:11,440 --> 03:40:14,319
the Lapse Litigator. Tom, here's co chairs. It's been a

4269
03:40:14,360 --> 03:40:18,479
while since I've sent a missive from the lapsed litigation department,

4270
03:40:18,879 --> 03:40:20,239
despite the fact that we've been in the.

4271
03:40:20,200 --> 03:40:24,159
Speaker 2: Car from our legal department. Oh yeah, we've got lapsed legal.

4272
03:40:24,200 --> 03:40:25,440
That is the name of a TV show.

4273
03:40:25,479 --> 03:40:28,360
Speaker 1: We've got that base covered. Not a fucking problem, not

4274
03:40:28,479 --> 03:40:32,120
a fucking problem. Yep, it's been a while since I've

4275
03:40:32,159 --> 03:40:34,840
sent a missive from the lapsed litigation department, despite the

4276
03:40:34,840 --> 03:40:36,520
fact that we've been in the court room with Terry

4277
03:40:36,520 --> 03:40:38,479
Funk and the Master and Ruler of the World, among

4278
03:40:38,520 --> 03:40:42,840
others lately. Yes, plenty of court filings to pull. Oh yes,

4279
03:40:43,120 --> 03:40:45,639
to be honest, Jack's legal analysis, he says, typically so good.

4280
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:48,120
You can't really have me on on a retainer. You

4281
03:40:48,120 --> 03:40:50,200
don't really need to have me on retainer. Every time

4282
03:40:50,239 --> 03:40:51,639
I think there is a hole to be filled with

4283
03:40:51,639 --> 03:40:54,280
MA expertise, a few minutes later we've clarified the issues

4284
03:40:54,319 --> 03:40:56,600
and can move on to the good stuff. Today, I

4285
03:40:56,639 --> 03:40:58,840
wanted to write about something outside the scope of work.

4286
03:40:58,879 --> 03:41:01,479
I want to talk about the video store.

4287
03:41:01,920 --> 03:41:02,239
Speaker 2: Mmmm.

4288
03:41:02,639 --> 03:41:04,159
Speaker 1: You have waxed poetic and hit me right in the

4289
03:41:04,200 --> 03:41:06,360
nostalgia hole many many times when it comes to that

4290
03:41:06,440 --> 03:41:09,520
video store feeling, there really isn't much like it anymore.

4291
03:41:09,879 --> 03:41:13,479
Picture it. It's Friday evening, your little league game is

4292
03:41:13,520 --> 03:41:15,040
over and Dad has driven you to the mini mall.

4293
03:41:15,079 --> 03:41:17,319
On the way home, he parks the car and you

4294
03:41:17,319 --> 03:41:20,040
get out along summer light just giving way to dusk.

4295
03:41:21,600 --> 03:41:24,120
Oh man, you're getting me, you're getting me good right here, yep.

4296
03:41:24,440 --> 03:41:26,440
As you walk up the concrete steps to the elbow

4297
03:41:26,440 --> 03:41:29,120
shaped row of commercial properties, you pass the nail salon.

4298
03:41:29,319 --> 03:41:31,760
Not interested. The Chinese place is next, no things, the

4299
03:41:31,799 --> 03:41:35,479
dry cleaner's lame, the weird store with like beanie babies,

4300
03:41:35,479 --> 03:41:37,360
and I don't know, picture frames or something you never

4301
03:41:37,399 --> 03:41:40,479
even looked in the window. Then there it is the

4302
03:41:40,559 --> 03:41:43,440
video store. Dad tells you to go inside and figure

4303
03:41:43,440 --> 03:41:44,799
out what you want to rent this week. Then he

4304
03:41:44,840 --> 03:41:47,399
walks a few shops down to Brother's Pizza. He's going

4305
03:41:47,440 --> 03:41:49,840
to order two pies because at seven pm and he

4306
03:41:49,879 --> 03:41:52,000
worked all day and took your sorry ass to the

4307
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:53,959
little league, and he'll be damned if he or the

4308
03:41:53,959 --> 03:41:56,719
missus is going to cook tonight. And Dad thinks, you

4309
03:41:56,719 --> 03:41:58,600
don't know, he's going to sneak a Marlboro or red

4310
03:41:58,639 --> 03:41:59,959
before he goes into the pizza shop.

4311
03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:02,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you know what He's gonna smell

4312
03:42:02,239 --> 03:42:03,399
like when he fucking comes out.

4313
03:42:03,239 --> 03:42:05,479
Speaker 1: Because he told everyone he quit again. But you know

4314
03:42:05,959 --> 03:42:07,639
you saw the pack in his shirt pocket when he

4315
03:42:07,639 --> 03:42:09,120
came out of the woah wah yesterday.

4316
03:42:09,159 --> 03:42:14,360
Speaker 2: This makes this makes me think of the you've seen

4317
03:42:14,559 --> 03:42:18,000
the meme around that goes around with with an old

4318
03:42:18,159 --> 03:42:22,520
eighties Mel Gibson photo with long hair and he's smoking

4319
03:42:22,520 --> 03:42:26,200
a cigarette. Everyone told everyone people like that this is

4320
03:42:26,200 --> 03:42:29,799
what eighties moms looked like, or something like that. It's

4321
03:42:30,040 --> 03:42:32,239
no fucking great that it's awesome.

4322
03:42:32,639 --> 03:42:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that smoke buys you a few minutes,

4323
03:42:35,840 --> 03:42:38,680
he says, that's right. The anticipation is overwhelming before you

4324
03:42:38,680 --> 03:42:41,200
even walk in the door. This is it all week

4325
03:42:41,239 --> 03:42:43,079
and long. Whatever you rent will be the focus of

4326
03:42:43,120 --> 03:42:46,559
your life. You got through school and sports and CCD

4327
03:42:46,680 --> 03:42:48,879
all week suffering because you don't control anything about what

4328
03:42:48,920 --> 03:42:51,680
you do day to day at this age except on Saturday, Saturday,

4329
03:42:52,959 --> 03:42:56,840
burly before mom and dad and watch whatever you rented

4330
03:42:56,879 --> 03:43:02,600
all morning long. Yep, Saturday is freedom. You walk into

4331
03:43:02,600 --> 03:43:05,319
the video store alone. You have no phone, Your dad

4332
03:43:05,360 --> 03:43:07,319
has no way to find you if you something goes wrong,

4333
03:43:07,799 --> 03:43:10,840
but you don't care. It's time to focus there are

4334
03:43:10,879 --> 03:43:12,959
only two sections that matter in this video store, the

4335
03:43:12,959 --> 03:43:14,840
cartoon section and the special interest section.

4336
03:43:15,079 --> 03:43:15,799
Speaker 2: We know it.

4337
03:43:15,840 --> 03:43:18,399
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's not true, he says. You know, there's

4338
03:43:18,399 --> 03:43:20,399
a third section that matters. You know this because that

4339
03:43:20,520 --> 03:43:23,040
section is roped off from public access. You need to

4340
03:43:23,079 --> 03:43:24,360
be an adult to go back there.

4341
03:43:24,600 --> 03:43:28,040
Speaker 2: You got to like, oh, man, the the the the

4342
03:43:29,920 --> 03:43:34,000
steak heart pounding, yes, oh, like a heart pounding when

4343
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:37,319
I'm in there, and I know, like, I'm just I

4344
03:43:37,360 --> 03:43:39,239
just want to see if I can. You know, a

4345
03:43:39,319 --> 03:43:42,879
guy went back to put it away, and I'm like, oh, god,

4346
03:43:43,000 --> 03:43:45,600
just get a little peek. God, the heart is racist,

4347
03:43:45,600 --> 03:43:50,600
just to see, just to see the fucking covers, right, yeah,

4348
03:43:50,600 --> 03:43:53,079
because they were pretty graphic, man, of course they were.

4349
03:43:53,479 --> 03:43:54,040
It had to be.

4350
03:43:54,600 --> 03:43:57,239
Speaker 1: Oh, you need to be an adult to go back there.

4351
03:43:57,239 --> 03:43:58,959
And you think maybe your dad did once, but you

4352
03:43:59,000 --> 03:44:01,159
weren't sure. That's action isn't for you, and you don't

4353
03:44:01,200 --> 03:44:02,840
know why. But the fact that you can't go back

4354
03:44:02,840 --> 03:44:05,280
there makes you desperately jealous of everyone who does.

4355
03:44:05,360 --> 03:44:07,200
Speaker 2: I love the idea like that. You know, it's kind

4356
03:44:07,200 --> 03:44:11,600
of funny, the idea of of you know, the person

4357
03:44:11,600 --> 03:44:14,239
who goes back there, who just walks back there. I'm

4358
03:44:14,239 --> 03:44:15,760
gonna run born right.

4359
03:44:16,399 --> 03:44:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a Saturday night, you know, Friday night.

4360
03:44:19,200 --> 03:44:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel like jerking off tonight.

4361
03:44:21,319 --> 03:44:22,879
Speaker 1: As in that long week of work and he goes

4362
03:44:22,920 --> 03:44:25,719
home and just beats off, but he has to go

4363
03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:26,719
to a video store first.

4364
03:44:26,799 --> 03:44:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I gotta get some fucking you know, I

4365
03:44:30,159 --> 03:44:34,719
get something to kind of, you know, inspire me.

4366
03:44:34,840 --> 03:44:36,520
Speaker 1: I bet even that guy longs for the days where

4367
03:44:36,520 --> 03:44:37,719
he had to put in a little bit of work

4368
03:44:37,760 --> 03:44:39,879
to get a nut. Of course, now it's like, okay,

4369
03:44:40,040 --> 03:44:43,000
just open the computer, like lower on my phone, like like.

4370
03:44:43,040 --> 03:44:44,920
Speaker 2: You can fucking you can work and jerk off at

4371
03:44:44,920 --> 03:44:47,799
the same time. Believable. Forget that.

4372
03:44:48,799 --> 03:44:51,879
Speaker 1: Tom says focus the cartoons are tempting. You could snatch

4373
03:44:51,920 --> 03:44:53,440
up G. I. Joe or he Man tapes and they're

4374
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:56,719
clear clamshell cases. Those are easy watches, fun and breezy

4375
03:44:56,760 --> 03:44:59,319
and a guarantee. But damn it, you can't stop looking

4376
03:44:59,319 --> 03:45:01,879
at the special intro section. Why do they call it

4377
03:45:01,920 --> 03:45:05,159
that wrestling is a sport the best sport? Special interest

4378
03:45:05,479 --> 03:45:07,360
makes it feel like these tapes are somehow not cool.

4379
03:45:07,719 --> 03:45:09,760
If wrestling is in a sport, am I supposed to

4380
03:45:09,799 --> 03:45:13,120
like it. No, despite your misgivings, the box art grabs

4381
03:45:13,159 --> 03:45:15,440
your eye. One is Hulk Cogan and Andre the Giant

4382
03:45:15,479 --> 03:45:18,200
staring at each other. The artwork is dark and lonely

4383
03:45:18,239 --> 03:45:21,479
and seems old. That can't be good. You don't recognize

4384
03:45:21,479 --> 03:45:23,840
the wrestlers on the next one. No Hogan, no Warrior,

4385
03:45:23,879 --> 03:45:25,120
though one guy has face paint.

4386
03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Nobody you know.

4387
03:45:26,360 --> 03:45:29,559
Speaker 1: And then you see it, cartoon versions of every wrestler

4388
03:45:29,600 --> 03:45:32,639
you know, looking muscular and angry and ready to invade

4389
03:45:32,680 --> 03:45:36,840
your living room. There's like a hundred of them. It's

4390
03:45:36,920 --> 03:45:38,319
Royal Rumble nineteen ninety one.

4391
03:45:38,719 --> 03:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh, don't even heavenly, you've rented it sixty times. Now

4392
03:45:49,040 --> 03:45:51,719
we're talking. Dad walks in. He's gonna get a movie

4393
03:45:51,719 --> 03:45:54,120
to watch with Mom later. You'd better hurry. The pressure mounts.

4394
03:45:54,159 --> 03:45:56,440
Dad see somebody he knows and stops to chat. That

4395
03:45:56,440 --> 03:45:58,440
gives you a moment. What to get. You've narrowed it

4396
03:45:58,479 --> 03:45:59,920
to like eight videos. But what if you picked the

4397
03:46:00,040 --> 03:46:01,680
one you haven't seen and it sucks? It would ruin

4398
03:46:01,719 --> 03:46:05,000
the only good four hours of your life. Yes, Dad

4399
03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:07,680
walks over, he's standing behind you. He doesn't say anything,

4400
03:46:07,760 --> 03:46:09,680
but you have a fucking movie. At for fuck's sake,

4401
03:46:09,799 --> 03:46:11,079
Jesus Christ, I want to get home.

4402
03:46:11,280 --> 03:46:13,719
Speaker 1: You feel the pressure. The pizza will be ready soon.

4403
03:46:13,760 --> 03:46:17,159
And he's already holding whatever rom com mom demanded. You

4404
03:46:17,200 --> 03:46:19,680
reach out and grab a box. You hold it close

4405
03:46:19,719 --> 03:46:21,360
to your face with both hands, and spectcat.

4406
03:46:21,399 --> 03:46:24,280
Speaker 2: Can we get when Harry met Sally? I haven't seen

4407
03:46:24,319 --> 03:46:27,239
We haven't seen that one. We keep talking about it, right,

4408
03:46:27,399 --> 03:46:30,559
we do, keep talking about it. We never rent that one.

4409
03:46:30,760 --> 03:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I'll have what she's having, inspecting like it contains the

4410
03:46:35,159 --> 03:46:40,520
secret to world peace warrior check Hogan, check huge opponent

4411
03:46:40,600 --> 03:46:44,360
for the hulkster check. Yes, and that's smarmy, gross, smug,

4412
03:46:44,399 --> 03:46:47,440
prick rick rude, SummerSlam ninety. That's it this time. You

4413
03:46:47,440 --> 03:46:51,799
hope it delivers, and it does. Thanks for all you do,

4414
03:46:51,959 --> 03:46:55,120
especially UTC. Hope to see some al Berke movies coming.

4415
03:46:54,879 --> 03:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Soon, Tom, which one? Al Burke? Al Burke?

4416
03:46:59,040 --> 03:47:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I know Albert. I don't know, did

4417
03:47:01,760 --> 03:47:02,280
you We.

4418
03:47:02,239 --> 03:47:05,559
Speaker 2: Talked about Albert Alberke movies. I don't let me see.

4419
03:47:05,600 --> 03:47:06,479
Al Burke.

4420
03:47:08,120 --> 03:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Known for the wedding singer, Cradle the Grave. Honeyboll Sure,

4421
03:47:11,159 --> 03:47:11,719
I don't.

4422
03:47:11,479 --> 03:47:13,959
Speaker 2: Know the guy. Oh, he's in the movies. I see

4423
03:47:13,959 --> 03:47:17,440
his face. Is he a wait a minute, Oh, he's

4424
03:47:17,479 --> 03:47:20,559
a wrestler. That'll do it. That's the connection. I think

4425
03:47:20,559 --> 03:47:28,280
he must be a championship on Oh yeah. Sixteenth. Al Burke,

4426
03:47:28,360 --> 03:47:31,719
also known as Mister Outrageous, is a sixteen time professional

4427
03:47:31,719 --> 03:47:34,479
wrestling I don't know. Okay, let's look at his filmography.

4428
03:47:34,559 --> 03:47:37,719
What do we do to your time? Sixteen times? That's right, brother,

4429
03:47:38,399 --> 03:47:42,879
he's got two and thirty nine movies. Oh my goodness,

4430
03:47:43,840 --> 03:47:46,639
under his under his hat here, that's a lot to see.

4431
03:47:46,639 --> 03:47:49,719
There's anything that's that's that that's been kind of lacking.

4432
03:47:50,319 --> 03:47:54,360
I've been but uh uh is there a home fucking

4433
03:47:54,360 --> 03:47:56,920
moves there even heard of? Which is great? I'm not

4434
03:47:56,959 --> 03:48:01,600
saying that. Listen, he's all qualified. So it's noodles of Nudeland.

4435
03:48:03,920 --> 03:48:09,760
Huh huh, Yeah, let's do it. I'm looking at Yeah.

4436
03:48:09,879 --> 03:48:14,520
These a listen, these are all fucking all fine paranormal

4437
03:48:14,559 --> 03:48:21,159
attraction Killer Waves to Killer in Suburbia. Yeah, we're gonna

4438
03:48:21,159 --> 03:48:24,840
plut albrok on. He'll get his time. Let's see. Uh,

4439
03:48:24,920 --> 03:48:27,040
let's go back kind of, let's go back a little

4440
03:48:27,040 --> 03:48:29,719
ways here, let's go sometimes these guys have been in

4441
03:48:29,760 --> 03:48:31,639
like old let's see when he started. He started eight.

4442
03:48:31,760 --> 03:48:34,799
N Oh, look at he's on fucking w Superstars and Challenge.

4443
03:48:36,280 --> 03:48:38,959
Look at that ten episodes of Superstars, eight episodes of

4444
03:48:39,079 --> 03:48:45,040
Challenge and IWF at the zone. He's in the wedding singer.

4445
03:48:45,680 --> 03:48:49,200
He's in the wedding singer. Anything about this guy? That's amazing?

4446
03:48:49,239 --> 03:48:52,280
All right? Uh, his wedding singer already on the fucking list.

4447
03:48:52,319 --> 03:48:54,840
I don't know. Let's take a look. The list is

4448
03:48:54,879 --> 03:48:57,879
always expanding. I mean seriously, if I ever showed you

4449
03:48:57,959 --> 03:48:59,639
the list, you'd be like, I can't even read this.

4450
03:49:00,280 --> 03:49:06,559
Fucking need you tonight. It's so massive the list. Uh,

4451
03:49:06,719 --> 03:49:09,639
wedding singer is not on the list. It is now.

4452
03:49:10,959 --> 03:49:13,559
To not be on the list is a big enough deal. Yep,

4453
03:49:13,920 --> 03:49:19,639
Let'll let alone qualify wedding singer. Al Burke, got it.

4454
03:49:20,239 --> 03:49:25,680
That's fucking that's huge. So we're doing huh high crimes

4455
03:49:25,719 --> 03:49:31,120
on the Kingdom episode of the King of Queens. Oh

4456
03:49:31,159 --> 03:49:34,319
my god. I love these guys who like had who

4457
03:49:34,360 --> 03:49:37,360
were on like big things when they were younger. He

4458
03:49:37,440 --> 03:49:39,120
did he did the wedding singer, and then he did

4459
03:49:39,159 --> 03:49:42,280
like an episode of Mad About You. Uh uh, you

4460
03:49:42,319 --> 03:49:45,159
know the Bold and the Beautiful King of Queens. And

4461
03:49:45,200 --> 03:49:46,879
then as he goes on he starts to get into

4462
03:49:46,920 --> 03:49:50,440
the really crappy shit. Yes, and that's where the money is.

4463
03:49:50,959 --> 03:49:53,600
I love it. That's where the fucking money is. Well,

4464
03:49:53,639 --> 03:49:55,760
you did it. You hooked the boss hook Line and Sinker.

4465
03:49:56,079 --> 03:50:00,959
He did a Christmas movie called It's Christmas. Brother. That's great.

4466
03:50:01,040 --> 03:50:07,280
I mean it's Christmas, dude, what it's not? What are

4467
03:50:07,280 --> 03:50:12,440
you saying? Nothing to forget it? Terry? This is great?

4468
03:50:12,520 --> 03:50:17,479
All right? No, we got al Burke. We'll see mean,

4469
03:50:18,479 --> 03:50:19,799
we'll see what we can do with al Burke.

4470
03:50:20,719 --> 03:50:23,000
Speaker 1: Liam wants to throw something in play too over in Cork.

4471
03:50:23,040 --> 03:50:25,920
He says, I recall JP saying Dan Severn, look like

4472
03:50:25,920 --> 03:50:28,559
there will be bloods Daniel plain View and one of

4473
03:50:28,600 --> 03:50:31,520
your old Attitude era pay per view reviews. That qualifies,

4474
03:50:31,680 --> 03:50:33,479
and when you cover it, I will finally join the

4475
03:50:33,479 --> 03:50:36,799
cinemat Deer. There will be blood.

4476
03:50:37,959 --> 03:50:39,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's that's all it takes. If you're ever

4477
03:50:39,879 --> 03:50:42,239
looking for twenty bucks. Yeah, if I say someone's looking

4478
03:50:42,479 --> 03:50:45,079
looking at all, right, there we go. I guess that

4479
03:50:45,200 --> 03:50:48,879
somehow makes it. That makes it more worthy than big

4480
03:50:48,920 --> 03:50:53,280
show being on the fucking TV show with what's your butt?

4481
03:50:53,600 --> 03:50:58,399
To qualify that other movie? I don't know. Yeah, gabriel

4482
03:50:58,559 --> 03:51:01,040
Anwar Oh yeah really.

4483
03:51:00,959 --> 03:51:05,520
Speaker 1: More eiks Le's good to Hawaii. Huh what do you say?

4484
03:51:05,959 --> 03:51:08,399
Speaker 2: I listen? I love Hawaiian lovely.

4485
03:51:08,120 --> 03:51:11,520
Speaker 1: Cultures, wonderful place and our homie Kaipo always holding it

4486
03:51:11,559 --> 03:51:14,079
down over there, wants to let us know about his

4487
03:51:14,120 --> 03:51:16,479
fiftieth state Big Time wrestling recollections. You want to talk

4488
03:51:16,520 --> 03:51:20,159
about remembering the warm, golden glow of the way it

4489
03:51:20,239 --> 03:51:23,600
used to be. So remember going to uh Owahu three

4490
03:51:23,639 --> 03:51:26,079
or four years ago, and I probably told this story.

4491
03:51:26,120 --> 03:51:28,040
There was an old head there. He looked like Buddha man.

4492
03:51:28,079 --> 03:51:30,920
He was like this fat old guy with white hair

4493
03:51:30,920 --> 03:51:35,559
and a hugely friendly disposition, lifelong islander. And we were

4494
03:51:35,559 --> 03:51:38,040
just sitting there and near the pool, and I started

4495
03:51:38,040 --> 03:51:40,479
talking to him about Lord James Blears and High Chief

4496
03:51:40,479 --> 03:51:44,000
Peter Myivia and neph Mayava and he was like, who

4497
03:51:44,040 --> 03:51:48,239
the fuck is this guy from Wow, New England who

4498
03:51:48,280 --> 03:51:50,680
knows about all these Hawaiian wrestling guys that I grew.

4499
03:51:51,120 --> 03:51:52,920
It was a wonderful talk as he was what we're

4500
03:51:52,920 --> 03:51:55,600
calling all these all these names and all these stories,

4501
03:51:55,600 --> 03:51:57,200
it's not like he was the biggest wrestling fan in

4502
03:51:57,200 --> 03:51:58,799
the world. But that's what was cool about it, Curtis,

4503
03:51:58,840 --> 03:52:01,559
I Ka, every buddy in the island knows these guys.

4504
03:52:01,600 --> 03:52:03,079
You don't have to be a wrestling fan. You're just

4505
03:52:03,079 --> 03:52:06,040
a Hawaiian right right, and Kaypo knows what's up, he

4506
03:52:06,040 --> 03:52:07,799
writes toteer coach chairs. I wanted to write about him,

4507
03:52:07,799 --> 03:52:10,120
and my experience is growing up in Hawaii and hearing

4508
03:52:10,159 --> 03:52:12,319
some of the older generations talk about the wrestling scene

4509
03:52:12,360 --> 03:52:14,360
out here in the sixties and seventies. I was tempted

4510
03:52:14,399 --> 03:52:16,239
to write this email. When you guys covered Goldfinger and

4511
03:52:16,280 --> 03:52:18,920
put the spotlight on Harold Sakata, that would make sense, boss.

4512
03:52:18,719 --> 03:52:19,239
Speaker 2: Right, mm hmm.

4513
03:52:19,799 --> 03:52:21,600
Speaker 1: And that show Jack talked about interacting with the old

4514
03:52:21,639 --> 03:52:24,399
timercy I knew I told the story before in Hawaii

4515
03:52:24,399 --> 03:52:26,040
and seeing his face light up at the mere mention

4516
03:52:26,120 --> 03:52:27,920
of wrestling in Hawaii. I'm here to back that up,

4517
03:52:28,000 --> 03:52:29,760
as my parents both love and love to talk about

4518
03:52:29,760 --> 03:52:33,040
their wrestling experiences growing up. First, my dad. My dad

4519
03:52:33,079 --> 03:52:35,200
has since passed on, but he grew up in Khali,

4520
03:52:35,360 --> 03:52:37,799
which is a town with the Downtown Honolulu district. Within

4521
03:52:37,840 --> 03:52:40,760
the Downtown Honolulu district. His house was about ten minutes

4522
03:52:40,799 --> 03:52:43,040
by car to the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium where they

4523
03:52:43,040 --> 03:52:45,920
would hold shows weekly. Man he was born in nineteen

4524
03:52:45,959 --> 03:52:47,600
forty three, so we got to experience the good shit

4525
03:52:47,600 --> 03:52:49,040
at an age where he could remember and in some

4526
03:52:49,079 --> 03:52:51,680
cases get involved. I remember him telling me stories about

4527
03:52:51,680 --> 03:52:55,040
Saint Kila Kawalsky and Sam Steamboat, how he would be

4528
03:52:55,120 --> 03:52:57,520
in the mob with all the Samoans to watch High

4529
03:52:57,559 --> 03:53:00,479
Chief Peter Mavia. He admonished me when I met Prince

4530
03:53:00,479 --> 03:53:03,559
Ikia from w c W and pronounced his name iakeya

4531
03:53:03,799 --> 03:53:05,719
wow like the announcers did. He told me it was

4532
03:53:05,719 --> 03:53:11,920
pronounced eokaya. Interesting roller. He absolutely loved the heels and

4533
03:53:11,959 --> 03:53:14,200
would root for Fred Lassi and would get into constant

4534
03:53:14,200 --> 03:53:16,440
fights at school for calling people pencil like geeks. He

4535
03:53:16,479 --> 03:53:19,959
would talk about Ed Francis and how mister Fuji, who

4536
03:53:20,000 --> 03:53:24,600
my dad would call Fuji Fujiwara, that's a great would

4537
03:53:24,600 --> 03:53:27,600
all we start as promos with Dankie Massa Franzis and

4538
03:53:27,639 --> 03:53:31,719
the most pig pigeon English accent you could you could find.

4539
03:53:31,959 --> 03:53:34,559
His love for wrestling as a teenager and young adult

4540
03:53:34,559 --> 03:53:36,399
male made it fun to watch wrestling with him. He

4541
03:53:36,440 --> 03:53:39,079
loved Yokozuna because mister Fuji was his manager and because

4542
03:53:39,159 --> 03:53:40,760
Yoaks looked like a big sumo and he used to

4543
03:53:40,760 --> 03:53:43,440
hang out with And he immediately dismissed Leilani Kai as

4544
03:53:43,440 --> 03:53:46,280
a Hawaiian and culture a hioala, which is slang for

4545
03:53:46,360 --> 03:53:47,600
taurus or white person.

4546
03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:49,479
Speaker 2: Awesome, Wow.

4547
03:53:51,559 --> 03:53:54,440
Speaker 1: I love the words that non white countries have for

4548
03:53:54,479 --> 03:53:56,319
white people. I think it's so funny.

4549
03:53:56,399 --> 03:53:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh, please more more of them. They all have them

4550
03:53:59,559 --> 03:54:02,879
all right, listen, we all deserve them all right now.

4551
03:54:02,920 --> 03:54:06,280
Speaker 1: My mom, she's about thirteen years younger than my dad

4552
03:54:06,280 --> 03:54:07,680
and grew up on the west side of O Wahoo

4553
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:11,159
in the town of Maha mccaha, pardon me Macaha. Fortunately

4554
03:54:11,200 --> 03:54:12,879
for her. Ed Francis would run shows out of the

4555
03:54:12,879 --> 03:54:15,600
Wainai High School gym, which is in the neighboring town.

4556
03:54:16,200 --> 03:54:19,719
My mom and her siblings towne Town Mahine not Tom

4557
03:54:19,840 --> 03:54:22,360
Mahaa Tom. That's how I say it. Shout outs to

4558
03:54:22,399 --> 03:54:24,719
Max Holloway, by the way, for talking about whiney. My

4559
03:54:24,799 --> 03:54:26,920
mom and her siblings would go and watch the matches.

4560
03:54:27,000 --> 03:54:29,680
She would see guys like Lord James Blears, Nick Bockwinkle,

4561
03:54:29,760 --> 03:54:33,879
the Missing Link, gentlemen Jim Hady, Rippercollins and Hansy Handsome,

4562
03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:37,280
Johnny Barand among others. Whenever I bring up wrestling in Hawaii,

4563
03:54:37,319 --> 03:54:39,559
she always tells me the story of waiting outside to

4564
03:54:39,559 --> 03:54:42,159
get autographs of the wrestlers and seeing them leaving the venue.

4565
03:54:42,200 --> 03:54:45,239
She was astonished when she saw Ripper Collins and Ed Francis,

4566
03:54:45,239 --> 03:54:47,280
who were feuding at the time, get in the same

4567
03:54:47,399 --> 03:54:50,200
car together. Kay Fabe died for her that day, but

4568
03:54:50,280 --> 03:54:52,600
she still loved going to the matches. She also lived

4569
03:54:52,600 --> 03:54:54,479
down the street from Lord Blears and would ride her

4570
03:54:54,520 --> 03:54:56,440
bike down to where Blears's house was to catch a

4571
03:54:56,440 --> 03:54:59,280
glimpse of her favorite wrestlers. Another story she had was

4572
03:54:59,280 --> 03:55:01,000
that one day her and her siblings were walking on

4573
03:55:01,040 --> 03:55:03,600
the beach and saw a washed up whale carcass. This

4574
03:55:03,639 --> 03:55:05,440
happens from time to time here and it can get

4575
03:55:05,440 --> 03:55:07,879
pretty stinky. But the whale was freshly washed ashore and

4576
03:55:07,920 --> 03:55:10,040
the carcass didn't start to rot yet, so my mom

4577
03:55:10,079 --> 03:55:12,239
and her siblings started climbing it and jumping on it.

4578
03:55:13,319 --> 03:55:15,799
Lo and behold, James Blears was walking on the beach

4579
03:55:16,280 --> 03:55:18,559
as he always would, and immediately told them to get

4580
03:55:18,600 --> 03:55:20,360
off the whale and go home. They all knew him

4581
03:55:20,360 --> 03:55:23,680
from wrestling and instantly listened or else they would they

4582
03:55:23,719 --> 03:55:26,319
thought he could slap the V four on them. A

4583
03:55:26,399 --> 03:55:28,159
lot of her memories a little shot now, but she

4584
03:55:28,159 --> 03:55:30,799
can still recollect those times and also enjoyed that I

4585
03:55:30,799 --> 03:55:32,799
got into pro wrestling so she can relive those days

4586
03:55:32,840 --> 03:55:35,680
going to shows with me. She even remembered Harld Sakata

4587
03:55:35,760 --> 03:55:37,280
when I told her I was learning about him on

4588
03:55:37,280 --> 03:55:40,000
a podcast. I wonder what podcast that would be? By right,

4589
03:55:40,479 --> 03:55:42,879
she knew all the accomplishments and accolades like the back

4590
03:55:42,920 --> 03:55:45,719
of her hand. Lastly, when my mom got older, she

4591
03:55:45,760 --> 03:55:48,399
moved into Honolulu and worked at a Woolworth and the

4592
03:55:48,440 --> 03:55:51,479
Ala Muana shopping center. There she saw celebrities such as

4593
03:55:51,559 --> 03:55:54,200
Jack Lord from Hawaii five oh and would occasionally see

4594
03:55:54,200 --> 03:55:57,120
wrestlers as they passed through. One such occasion had her

4595
03:55:57,120 --> 03:55:59,840
bring to cashier for Andre. Had her being the cash

4596
03:56:00,559 --> 03:56:03,440
for Andre the Giant. She described him as a huge

4597
03:56:03,440 --> 03:56:07,600
man with huge hair. Yeah, he was accompanied by four

4598
03:56:07,680 --> 03:56:10,719
jobbers who were his handlers because Andre was one hundred

4599
03:56:10,760 --> 03:56:14,200
percent completely blitzed off of marijuana and whatever else he consumed.

4600
03:56:14,600 --> 03:56:16,360
This is all to say that pro wrestling still has

4601
03:56:16,360 --> 03:56:18,639
a rich history among the locals here. I wish they

4602
03:56:18,639 --> 03:56:20,360
would have some sort of museum for the history, but

4603
03:56:20,399 --> 03:56:22,200
at least we still have some of the generation that

4604
03:56:22,280 --> 03:56:24,600
lived it to educate us youngins about a great time

4605
03:56:24,639 --> 03:56:27,079
in wrestling history. Thank you both for all that you do.

4606
03:56:27,280 --> 03:56:29,520
It's all too easy to just delve into the big companies,

4607
03:56:29,520 --> 03:56:31,520
but you guys go the extra mile and discuss those

4608
03:56:31,520 --> 03:56:34,680
great territories lost to time. Appreciate you and all that

4609
03:56:34,719 --> 03:56:36,680
you do. Look for a care package in the mail

4610
03:56:36,719 --> 03:56:39,159
for the next unwrappening with treats from Hawaii. Oh boy,

4611
03:56:39,639 --> 03:56:43,319
Oh boy, chocolate covered macadamia nuts. Boss, give him caramel

4612
03:56:43,360 --> 03:56:46,959
Macadamian nuts, ConA coffee, take care and as always.

4613
03:56:46,639 --> 03:56:49,120
Speaker 2: Give me some ConA coffee. Yes it wasn't Gene Snitz.

4614
03:56:49,200 --> 03:56:49,639
Also a.

4615
03:56:53,520 --> 03:56:56,840
Speaker 1: Great and some con crush. Yeah, if we're lucky. How

4616
03:56:56,879 --> 03:56:59,760
about some David Beltran pledges. How about Sean three sixteen

4617
03:57:00,000 --> 03:57:02,920
about Lucas Vincent upping his pledge. How about Team Janner

4618
03:57:02,959 --> 03:57:06,799
and Jake Anthony Martin and Cody Fague and Andrew Carpenter

4619
03:57:06,879 --> 03:57:10,719
and Travis Wilcox and Brett Derizo and Liam Coucy and

4620
03:57:10,879 --> 03:57:12,760
Jonathan and Zane Shima.

4621
03:57:12,879 --> 03:57:15,440
Speaker 2: How about all these folks, boss that works for me?

4622
03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:16,440
You know what I mean?

4623
03:57:16,639 --> 03:57:19,120
Speaker 1: These are all folks putting cash on the table. How

4624
03:57:19,120 --> 03:57:20,719
about Justin who right? Just want to say hello to

4625
03:57:20,760 --> 03:57:23,079
the fellas that are getting me through this broken tibia

4626
03:57:23,159 --> 03:57:23,799
and fibula.

4627
03:57:23,840 --> 03:57:24,079
Speaker 2: Oh.

4628
03:57:24,879 --> 03:57:26,719
Speaker 1: I've been a motor now for a little while, and

4629
03:57:26,760 --> 03:57:28,440
it was the best fucking decision I've made in a while.

4630
03:57:28,520 --> 03:57:30,360
My mom was just like Johnny Ace. I told her

4631
03:57:30,360 --> 03:57:32,360
I can't go off the second step carrying this one

4632
03:57:32,440 --> 03:57:35,120
hundred pound cabinet. I wasn't obligated, but she told me

4633
03:57:35,159 --> 03:57:37,559
I had to, and I did it. Snapped my fucking

4634
03:57:37,680 --> 03:57:41,559
leg into Jesus Jesus Christ. First words out of me,

4635
03:57:41,760 --> 03:57:43,360
out of my mouth, damn it, damn it.

4636
03:57:43,639 --> 03:57:44,239
Speaker 2: Just like Sid.

4637
03:57:44,600 --> 03:57:46,799
Speaker 1: Oh, my mom runs out and that's what happened. And

4638
03:57:46,840 --> 03:57:49,239
I followed it with a shut up. You guys are

4639
03:57:49,280 --> 03:57:51,040
awesome and I appreciate the hell out of you. While

4640
03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:53,719
Sid is up there laps Togan is still my all

4641
03:57:53,760 --> 03:57:55,879
time favorite. Just another reminder it used to be better.

4642
03:57:55,959 --> 03:57:57,479
Have a good one, fellows, and thank you all the

4643
03:57:57,479 --> 03:57:59,840
way from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I hope you're

4644
03:57:59,840 --> 03:58:00,799
on the man justin.

4645
03:58:00,719 --> 03:58:03,760
Speaker 2: Wring my favorite, my favorite brother. We're talking about favorite, dude?

4646
03:58:04,680 --> 03:58:08,479
What what was I supposed to be the underdog? What

4647
03:58:08,600 --> 03:58:08,719
is it?

4648
03:58:09,239 --> 03:58:12,120
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say that I'm favorite? Wait a minute, what do

4649
03:58:12,159 --> 03:58:13,840
you are you? You said upper peninsula?

4650
03:58:13,879 --> 03:58:16,479
Speaker 2: Brother? What my peninsula? Trying to get the upper hands?

4651
03:58:17,000 --> 03:58:19,920
What do you Michigan? Bro? Is that that's kind of sauce?

4652
03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:23,159
Don't you think? Dude? Isn't that where I slammed a giant? Dude?

4653
03:58:24,600 --> 03:58:26,840
You work in silver dorm? What do you know something

4654
03:58:26,840 --> 03:58:30,600
about the actual attendance that are you saying? Are you

4655
03:58:30,639 --> 03:58:32,200
saying are you saying you had a cousin that worked

4656
03:58:32,200 --> 03:58:34,440
at the box office? Dude? Are you saying brother? Are

4657
03:58:34,440 --> 03:58:38,600
you saying that? Are you saying that it wasn't sold out?

4658
03:58:39,120 --> 03:58:44,319
Are you getting that? Dude? What? What? Well? Che Bobo Brazil?

4659
03:58:46,399 --> 03:58:58,360
Cobo Hogan, Cobo Hogan, Hogan, Bro? I didn't know what's

4660
03:58:58,360 --> 03:59:06,879
going on? Dude? What are you here? Where do you

4661
03:59:06,879 --> 03:59:09,760
get off being from Michigan? What do you brother? Why

4662
03:59:09,760 --> 03:59:11,799
do you say Michigan? Dude? Like that's like the third time?

4663
03:59:12,440 --> 03:59:14,920
What's Michigan? Brother? What's going on? Dude?

4664
03:59:15,280 --> 03:59:21,520
Speaker 1: It's a huge concern. I need did you brother, did

4665
03:59:21,520 --> 03:59:24,760
you shut O factories and relocate jobs to the macchiadoras

4666
03:59:24,799 --> 03:59:25,280
in Mexico?

4667
03:59:25,360 --> 03:59:25,600
Speaker 2: Dude?

4668
03:59:28,040 --> 03:59:30,959
Speaker 1: Are you taking advantage of duty free US MCA imports?

4669
03:59:31,000 --> 03:59:34,040
Speaker 2: Brother? Are you taking what are you talking about? Duty? Dude?

4670
03:59:34,120 --> 03:59:37,680
You're talking dooky brother. I didn't know these things. Dude,

4671
03:59:38,440 --> 03:59:40,159
do they collect doukie at the border or duties?

4672
03:59:41,440 --> 03:59:44,920
Speaker 1: John right on our Netflix show when uh you know

4673
03:59:44,959 --> 03:59:47,479
what our Netflix show when we covered the raw Netflix debut.

4674
03:59:47,559 --> 03:59:48,559
What was the first thing we saw?

4675
03:59:48,600 --> 03:59:51,159
Speaker 2: Do you remember? Uh?

4676
03:59:51,239 --> 03:59:53,360
Speaker 1: No, there was a curtain around the ring, wasn't there?

4677
03:59:54,399 --> 03:59:56,559
And then a pyro explosion when the curtain came down.

4678
03:59:56,600 --> 03:59:57,760
Who is in the middle of the ring.

4679
03:59:59,280 --> 03:59:59,559
Speaker 2: Game?

4680
04:00:00,680 --> 04:00:03,159
Speaker 1: John writes, when that curtain dropped, I was finally able

4681
04:00:03,159 --> 04:00:06,559
to understand and appreciate why Vince decided not to leave

4682
04:00:06,600 --> 04:00:09,399
the company to his idiotic daughter and dufus son in.

4683
04:00:09,440 --> 04:00:27,079
Speaker 3: Law Wrestling Podcast, The wrestling Podcast that knows the boys

4684
04:00:27,159 --> 04:00:45,479
need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan.

4685
04:00:45,559 --> 04:00:49,760
Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnaco and JP Soro.

4686
04:00:50,399 --> 04:00:54,079
Speaker 1: Michael Allen, thanks for the increase in pledge meet uh

4687
04:00:54,200 --> 04:00:56,760
let's see the Cutman. Thank you very much, DP, thank

4688
04:00:56,799 --> 04:00:59,200
you very much, Name of Avery. We love the pledge.

4689
04:00:59,239 --> 04:01:04,399
Thank you, Sir Snyder and SSI. We appreciate your support.

4690
04:01:04,680 --> 04:01:07,760
On Patreon, Jacob writes, when thinking about the coach here

4691
04:01:07,799 --> 04:01:09,959
is doing a hog contribute. I feel like the entire

4692
04:01:10,040 --> 04:01:13,760
cast to spend a Hogue contribute all along. M something

4693
04:01:13,760 --> 04:01:18,120
I think about you, there's some there's some truth to that,

4694
04:01:18,399 --> 04:01:21,399
Chris Hughes, We love it. Welcome to the executive producer here, Derek.

4695
04:01:21,440 --> 04:01:23,840
Thank you so much for your support and pledge. On Patreon.

4696
04:01:23,879 --> 04:01:27,760
Martin Wilson as well, Welcome to the Inner Circle. James writes,

4697
04:01:28,319 --> 04:01:32,840
how early did you know about Vince McMahon's corporophilia? How

4698
04:01:32,879 --> 04:01:35,840
about twenty sixteen? While listening to the star K ninety

4699
04:01:35,840 --> 04:01:37,959
one stop on the Memorial Tour. During the discussion of

4700
04:01:38,000 --> 04:01:40,959
Vader and Hughes versus Steiner and night Stalker, Boss goes

4701
04:01:41,000 --> 04:01:43,280
into an extended description of Vince wanting to shit on

4702
04:01:43,319 --> 04:01:45,799
the talent in the middle of the ring. I mean,

4703
04:01:45,799 --> 04:01:48,200
how fucking on the nose is that? Well, it's mostly

4704
04:01:48,239 --> 04:01:49,440
on the chest, but I get your point.

4705
04:01:50,559 --> 04:01:55,760
Speaker 2: I believe well, listen, I am not a you know,

4706
04:01:55,840 --> 04:01:58,000
I'm not as stubborn as I come across on the

4707
04:01:58,040 --> 04:02:01,719
television as you've heard. I am fine to you know.

4708
04:02:01,879 --> 04:02:08,159
I don't have to drop feces on any particular any

4709
04:02:08,200 --> 04:02:13,959
particular body part. I can do whatever is desired. My

4710
04:02:14,040 --> 04:02:20,239
feces are very, very They go anywhere anywhere you need.

4711
04:02:21,280 --> 04:02:26,639
I can drop here.

4712
04:02:26,680 --> 04:02:29,959
Speaker 1: I am her rights, enjoying the shelf life of that

4713
04:02:30,000 --> 04:02:32,879
fucking cast when I'm shook at how you managed to

4714
04:02:32,879 --> 04:02:35,680
come up with exactly what Vince has been accused of

4715
04:02:35,879 --> 04:02:39,319
nearly eight years before the Janelle Grant lawsuit which details

4716
04:02:39,360 --> 04:02:41,879
the accusations of Vince shitting on her. I think this

4717
04:02:41,920 --> 04:02:44,079
is just more evidence of how you managed to tap

4718
04:02:44,079 --> 04:02:46,680
into Vince's psyche and plumb the depths of his depravity

4719
04:02:46,879 --> 04:02:49,559
for our entertainment. Just reaching out to thank you for

4720
04:02:49,600 --> 04:02:52,239
ten years of quality entertainment and to remind you just

4721
04:02:52,239 --> 04:02:54,879
how much truth you've been laying on the table since

4722
04:02:54,959 --> 04:02:58,399
day one. Hashtag shelf life coming to you from Crockett Country.

4723
04:02:59,000 --> 04:03:00,280
Speaker 2: James.

4724
04:03:00,920 --> 04:03:05,559
Speaker 1: Never forget that, Never forget the point he makes. Yeah,

4725
04:03:06,159 --> 04:03:09,559
Eric esc welcome to the Executive producer tier. Same to

4726
04:03:09,639 --> 04:03:13,799
Liam McGrath, Matthew Muns. We deeply appreciate your bold and

4727
04:03:13,920 --> 04:03:17,479
vainy jump to the moat tier. Andrew just wants to

4728
04:03:17,520 --> 04:03:19,600
say you guys honestly make life better. Just want to

4729
04:03:19,600 --> 04:03:22,600
say thank you for this today. Well, thank you pal.

4730
04:03:22,799 --> 04:03:25,879
We'd love to hear that legion a AOD. Thank you

4731
04:03:25,959 --> 04:03:28,200
very much. We already did shout you out, but you've

4732
04:03:28,239 --> 04:03:30,920
been climbing the Patreon ladder, so we need to acknowledge

4733
04:03:30,920 --> 04:03:34,200
e'd step along the way. Anthony Desanzo, thank you for

4734
04:03:34,280 --> 04:03:36,760
your support. William Webb, Thanks for going all the way

4735
04:03:36,840 --> 04:03:38,280
up to the moat tier, my friend. We know it's

4736
04:03:38,280 --> 04:03:40,760
a plunge, but you'll find it's worth it. Steve Maltez,

4737
04:03:40,799 --> 04:03:43,959
thank you very much for your support on Patreon. Ryan Morris,

4738
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:48,120
thanks for bumping up to the Executive producer Tier Scott writes,

4739
04:03:48,159 --> 04:03:50,639
thanks for keeping me hot the company on my hike today,

4740
04:03:50,680 --> 04:03:53,000
healthy habits developing with the coach here is directly at

4741
04:03:53,000 --> 04:03:56,040
my ass. That's happening a lot. Yep, we are part

4742
04:03:56,079 --> 04:04:02,719
of this balanced diet, happy to do it. Here is

4743
04:04:02,760 --> 04:04:06,200
Paul very quickly wishing us a happy new year. Let's

4744
04:04:06,239 --> 04:04:09,040
not forget we're going back to the turn of the

4745
04:04:09,040 --> 04:04:12,879
calendar here on this Millback also wish you could share

4746
04:04:12,920 --> 04:04:13,920
Paul sentiments.

4747
04:04:14,280 --> 04:04:20,319
Speaker 2: Sure, CoA chairs. I was talking with a co worker

4748
04:04:20,399 --> 04:04:22,200
when ben Walk came up for some reason, and I

4749
04:04:22,200 --> 04:04:24,879
told him about the definitive tenth anniversary tragedy cast you

4750
04:04:25,040 --> 04:04:29,360
gentlemen did nihon eight years ago. Now, I mentioned I

4751
04:04:29,399 --> 04:04:32,159
needed to re listen to it half hashtag shelf life.

4752
04:04:32,200 --> 04:04:36,879
I started listening this morning while making breakfast. The later later,

4753
04:04:36,959 --> 04:04:38,639
my wife and I got into an argument, and I

4754
04:04:38,639 --> 04:04:41,520
started and I started anger cleaning. I tried to channel

4755
04:04:41,520 --> 04:04:44,120
anger into something positive, but it still involves a lot

4756
04:04:44,120 --> 04:04:50,159
of muttering to myself. That's amazing. My earbuds ran out

4757
04:04:50,200 --> 04:04:53,200
of battery and the ben Wa Pott started playing from

4758
04:04:53,239 --> 04:04:57,319
my phone at the table. She was sitting the concerned side.

4759
04:04:57,360 --> 04:04:59,559
I stare, I got as we were all as we

4760
04:04:59,559 --> 04:05:02,120
were still steamed at each other. I'm sure she was

4761
04:05:02,239 --> 04:05:04,479
envisioning me texting my brother about the dogs being in

4762
04:05:04,520 --> 04:05:07,079
the pool house. Oh my god, and already dialed nine

4763
04:05:07,159 --> 04:05:08,920
and one and was ready to hit the last one.

4764
04:05:08,959 --> 04:05:11,959
The reader of the Simpsons, Oh yeah, totals of the

4765
04:05:11,959 --> 04:05:16,000
Simpsons where Millhouse and his family are at his grandma's house,

4766
04:05:16,040 --> 04:05:20,040
and and there's and Bart's knocking at the door because

4767
04:05:20,040 --> 04:05:22,559
he sold his soul and I'll let shit and the

4768
04:05:22,559 --> 04:05:27,719
grandmother goes, okay, you dial nine one and when I

4769
04:05:27,920 --> 04:05:34,920
say go dial one again, it's so fucking great. And

4770
04:05:34,959 --> 04:05:36,799
we already hit that last one if I tried to

4771
04:05:36,799 --> 04:05:39,440
lock her in across face before we started rolling with laughter,

4772
04:05:39,600 --> 04:05:42,440
which eased the mood. Thank y'all for that. Wow.

4773
04:05:42,520 --> 04:05:45,319
Speaker 1: Look at that come absolutely speaker and bringing a little

4774
04:05:45,399 --> 04:05:48,799
levity to tense domestic elements. We'll be there for that too,

4775
04:05:48,920 --> 04:05:51,280
and we'll be there for Nick from Minnesota, who says,

4776
04:05:51,280 --> 04:05:54,120
hello co chairs this summer, you guys read my email

4777
04:05:54,159 --> 04:05:56,799
about my mom listening to the lamentable tragedy after she

4778
04:05:56,840 --> 04:06:01,840
had watched The Iron Claw. She has finished the Wow,

4779
04:06:01,920 --> 04:06:04,479
although she skipped the match breakdowns because she didn't understand

4780
04:06:04,520 --> 04:06:06,799
what was going on. Can you imagine some of the

4781
04:06:07,000 --> 04:06:09,000
hasn't watched pro wrestling in their lives gets to the

4782
04:06:09,000 --> 04:06:12,399
deep dive portion, they what's going on? I'd like take

4783
04:06:12,440 --> 04:06:14,760
over head, says or ants her shoulder tackle by brett

4784
04:06:16,600 --> 04:06:21,239
her Overall thoughts are as follows. Fritz is responsible for

4785
04:06:21,280 --> 04:06:24,680
all of his son's deaths. Yep, the Iron Claw movie

4786
04:06:24,719 --> 04:06:26,680
did not do justice to the family story.

4787
04:06:27,200 --> 04:06:27,440
Speaker 2: Yep.

4788
04:06:27,799 --> 04:06:30,360
Speaker 1: Why would anyone get into pro wrestling? It seems really

4789
04:06:30,399 --> 04:06:30,959
bad for you.

4790
04:06:31,559 --> 04:06:31,799
Speaker 2: Yep.

4791
04:06:32,239 --> 04:06:34,719
Speaker 1: Lastly, she said she likes listening to TLF because she

4792
04:06:34,760 --> 04:06:38,440
can tell you guys really are best friends. Here's to

4793
04:06:38,479 --> 04:06:41,000
ten more years of TLF. Nick from Minnesota, Thanks for

4794
04:06:41,000 --> 04:06:42,399
sharing that, Nick, That's really cool.

4795
04:06:42,520 --> 04:06:45,040
Speaker 2: That's she And then you know how she felt about

4796
04:06:46,280 --> 04:06:51,120
Vince beating the shit out of Fritz. That's important. What

4797
04:06:51,120 --> 04:06:52,840
happens in the Yeah, what happens at the end? Mom?

4798
04:06:53,319 --> 04:06:54,719
What did you think when he kicks him right in

4799
04:06:54,719 --> 04:06:57,959
the fucking nuts? Yeah? Exactly. For all this, he just

4800
04:06:58,000 --> 04:06:59,879
gets kicked in the nuts and that's the end of it.

4801
04:07:01,959 --> 04:07:03,479
Christopher M.

4802
04:07:03,520 --> 04:07:07,840
Speaker 1: Panda, Todd Harding joining the Mote Tier. Thank you, wire

4803
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:11,440
Tap eight oh four, Tom Bauer, welcome to that tip

4804
04:07:11,440 --> 04:07:14,639
top tier, Jacob. Thank you very much for joining us

4805
04:07:14,799 --> 04:07:17,879
at the executive producer level as David May and Sackster.

4806
04:07:18,440 --> 04:07:22,280
Tony Allen has joined the Mote Tier as well. Since

4807
04:07:22,280 --> 04:07:25,000
we were last with you in this format, Chris Awesome

4808
04:07:25,000 --> 04:07:28,399
Mike Hogan has also joined the Mote Tier. What a

4809
04:07:28,440 --> 04:07:31,479
way to start the year. Eric Ramos bumping up to

4810
04:07:31,479 --> 04:07:38,319
EP Tyrone Terrell tom Bauer. Hmm, it's just an amazing

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04:07:38,360 --> 04:07:39,200
and humbling roster.

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Speaker 2: It is, It absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: We conclude with two final notes. All right, that's when

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04:07:46,719 --> 04:07:51,280
we recently received from Michael. It's entitled The Nature of

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04:07:51,360 --> 04:07:55,719
Life and Wrestling. Yes, he put boy in parenthesis after nature,

4816
04:07:56,360 --> 04:08:01,040
m Chairman, My chairman, lend me your as I weave

4817
04:08:01,120 --> 04:08:06,239
a yarn into a work that is a shoot for

4818
04:08:06,319 --> 04:08:09,920
those who believe that being the worker who does the

4819
04:08:10,000 --> 04:08:13,680
job will generate the heat needed to put them over

4820
04:08:13,719 --> 04:08:14,559
all others.

4821
04:08:14,840 --> 04:08:16,440
Speaker 2: But can reverse the heat is a question.

4822
04:08:16,959 --> 04:08:18,799
Speaker 1: I am but a humble craftsman of words. So I

4823
04:08:18,840 --> 04:08:21,239
call your attention to the words of our chairman. Life

4824
04:08:21,280 --> 04:08:26,479
is pain. If it doesn't hurt, have you lived? As

4825
04:08:26,520 --> 04:08:30,680
our philosopher and residence Lapsenash reminds us, it doesn't matter.

4826
04:08:31,399 --> 04:08:32,040
Speaker 2: It's all fake.

4827
04:08:32,719 --> 04:08:35,440
Speaker 1: M This leads me to my greatest moment of clarity

4828
04:08:35,959 --> 04:08:37,879
on what I have learned from being a fan as

4829
04:08:37,920 --> 04:08:41,399
a child and as a lapsed fan. Now, why does

4830
04:08:41,440 --> 04:08:45,719
society have such disdain for and contempt of wrestling or

4831
04:08:45,760 --> 04:08:50,319
what he calls previously agreed upon and contractually obligated aggressive action.

4832
04:08:52,159 --> 04:08:55,879
Please read this portion as a monologue of lapsed Stone

4833
04:08:55,959 --> 04:09:01,840
or Nash giving a lecture at the bond.

4834
04:09:03,319 --> 04:09:12,280
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Uh huh, trying to figure out where

4835
04:09:12,319 --> 04:09:12,959
it stops.

4836
04:09:13,079 --> 04:09:20,159
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, I mean your way, take ahead

4837
04:09:20,159 --> 04:09:22,319
of Sativa, bring bring us home.

4838
04:09:23,440 --> 04:09:28,200
Speaker 2: Now and we all have the story. I was watching wrestling,

4839
04:09:28,360 --> 04:09:31,319
I was sharing my interests in wrestling, when suddenly, out

4840
04:09:31,399 --> 04:09:37,360
of left field, the other person goes, hey, hmm, you

4841
04:09:37,440 --> 04:09:40,879
do know that this? Uh? And what are they doing?

4842
04:09:41,040 --> 04:09:45,879
It's all uh? I mean it takes two to do

4843
04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:50,680
some of those things and boom, just like that, life

4844
04:09:50,760 --> 04:09:56,040
is no meaning anymore. Yeah, because they're lying. Wait who

4845
04:09:56,120 --> 04:10:03,000
is lying them? Or them or both of them? You know,

4846
04:10:03,079 --> 04:10:06,600
we claim it a work and they're trying to roll

4847
04:10:06,680 --> 04:10:10,399
us up from behind. You know. This brings me to

4848
04:10:10,440 --> 04:10:15,920
my lesson for you today. What's life? Is life? A shoot?

4849
04:10:16,520 --> 04:10:24,079
A work, a performance entertainment or a series of costume

4850
04:10:24,280 --> 04:10:29,280
self promoting workers trying to get themselves over by making

4851
04:10:29,360 --> 04:10:32,680
you sell what they're throwing because you believe them shooting

4852
04:10:32,719 --> 04:10:37,280
on you. Also you can throw it to another due

4853
04:10:37,319 --> 04:10:41,000
to do to do a job, so you can get

4854
04:10:41,040 --> 04:10:44,959
them over them, put over them, you know, But do

4855
04:10:45,040 --> 04:10:49,559
they tell you the secret that it's all fucking fake.

4856
04:10:51,559 --> 04:10:56,079
Your parents, your teachers, your boss, your spouse, your kids,

4857
04:10:57,079 --> 04:11:01,559
you know, the strangers on the street, lease, the government,

4858
04:11:03,200 --> 04:11:06,559
even the planet's rolling you up from behind, and the

4859
04:11:06,600 --> 04:11:10,920
sun rolling it up as well. Then life shows as

4860
04:11:10,920 --> 04:11:17,040
a Steve Austin, Rick Flair Dwayne Brock who shows us

4861
04:11:17,040 --> 04:11:20,639
there's another way. Hope is out there for somebody who

4862
04:11:20,719 --> 04:11:24,280
can finally get over on all those that got over

4863
04:11:24,360 --> 04:11:28,920
on me. Huh. You know we're jubilant, you know, we

4864
04:11:29,000 --> 04:11:31,799
go and we sell what they've done, and we have

4865
04:11:31,879 --> 04:11:36,280
a champion. Yet you break from the delusion of hope

4866
04:11:36,639 --> 04:11:39,840
as others refuse to do the job for you the

4867
04:11:39,879 --> 04:11:44,000
way others did for our champion, it all tumbles away

4868
04:11:45,680 --> 04:11:49,399
because now we see that even through it all, if

4869
04:11:49,399 --> 04:11:54,040
it was all fake, how doesn't it work for real?

4870
04:11:55,559 --> 04:11:58,399
Oh wait, you know that guy that time told me

4871
04:11:58,520 --> 04:12:03,120
it takes two to do some of us, and the

4872
04:12:03,159 --> 04:12:07,520
delusion that the majority of those around us have previously

4873
04:12:07,559 --> 04:12:14,159
agreed upon and contractually obligated bigated aggressive action that they

4874
04:12:14,200 --> 04:12:17,479
will force us to accept or force us out if

4875
04:12:17,479 --> 04:12:21,680
we don't. But now, who is it that's trying to

4876
04:12:21,799 --> 04:12:25,840
roll you up? Brother? Them at the top saying it's

4877
04:12:25,840 --> 04:12:31,120
a shoot. For them telling you it's a work, I say,

4878
04:12:31,520 --> 04:12:34,680
claim it all of work, yep. That they're trying to

4879
04:12:34,760 --> 04:12:37,920
roll us up from behind, hit someone's intro music, then

4880
04:12:38,040 --> 04:12:40,639
drop the big leg on him, well frozen in their

4881
04:12:40,680 --> 04:12:46,760
pre planned moment. Then ten ninety nine there ass.

4882
04:12:47,440 --> 04:12:50,840
Speaker 1: Close with the words have been. I've been listening to

4883
04:12:50,879 --> 04:12:56,079
TLF for years, and probably more intently than most, even

4884
04:12:56,079 --> 04:12:58,040
though I'm not and never have been a fan of

4885
04:12:58,079 --> 04:13:03,079
professional wrestling. That notwithstanding, I think that everything I've learned

4886
04:13:03,079 --> 04:13:08,399
from that cast mostly boils down to this life is

4887
04:13:08,479 --> 04:13:12,719
almost entirely just one big fucking work.

4888
04:13:13,440 --> 04:13:13,639
Speaker 2: Hmm.

4889
04:13:14,159 --> 04:13:17,000
Speaker 1: So like what you like, laugh at what you think

4890
04:13:17,079 --> 04:13:20,639
is funny, support and cultivate the things you care about,

4891
04:13:21,840 --> 04:13:25,479
do good when you can, and give a shit about

4892
04:13:25,479 --> 04:13:29,079
the people who give a shit about you. Thank you

4893
04:13:29,319 --> 04:13:32,760
for ten rock hard years, co Chairman, and thank you

4894
04:13:32,799 --> 04:13:36,120
those in the Solar System for filling our till and

4895
04:13:36,159 --> 04:13:36,840
our mail bag.

4896
04:13:36,879 --> 04:13:39,159
Speaker 2: Once again. We'll see you next time.

4897
04:13:41,760 --> 04:13:44,760
Speaker 3: When as a teaching to Santus production, its contents is

4898
04:13:44,799 --> 04:13:46,440
intended for private use only.