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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome back everybody. It is now a little bit.
Speaker 2: Let's say about eleven o seven here as we head
Speaker 2: TOORG the midnight hour. The Red Sox. One earlier tonight,
Speaker 2: I'm Brian Bellow. Came up with a veyo. Came up
Speaker 2: with a pretty good performance. I think you threw eight
Speaker 2: innings of shutout baseball, and the Red Sox beat the
Speaker 2: Blue Jays to tie up this series two games to two.
Speaker 2: But the Red Sox need to win much more than
Speaker 2: they lose if they have any hopes of making the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But that's the story for another night. If you were
Speaker 2: out there tonight, I'd love to get any reaction.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you some options here. Okay.
Speaker 2: We we talked earlier tonight with doctor Marty McCarey. Uh
Speaker 2: talked talked about the banning of cell phones in in schools, which.
Speaker 3: I think it's got to that point. I really do.
Speaker 2: But you can pick up on any of that conversation
Speaker 2: if you'd like. Also, I thought that our guest last hour,
Speaker 2: Scott Allen Curly, is an extraordinary guy. This is a
Speaker 2: guy with nine convictions, spent a decade behind bars. I
Speaker 2: mean almost lost, you know, his entire existence, because once
Speaker 2: you've spent ten years behind bars, it's tough to break
Speaker 2: that cycle. But he was able to do it. And
Speaker 2: if you listened last hour, I hope if you missed
Speaker 2: Last Hour, please listen to it at night side and
Speaker 2: demand because it was an extraordinary hour just hearing his
Speaker 2: story and one subject that came up today which I
Speaker 2: thought was sort of interesting, and I hope some of
Speaker 2: you might feel the same way. Bill Belichick, who is
Speaker 2: out of the coaching game at least for a year.
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that a year from now Belichick will be
Speaker 2: back as a coach. He's only a few wins away
Speaker 2: from the the most wins of any head coach in
Speaker 2: the NFL. But Belichick had some comments about the Massachusetts
Speaker 2: millionaires tax. That was a ballot question that was approved
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two by a narrow margin fifty two
Speaker 2: to forty eight percent, in which very few people obviously
Speaker 2: are millionaires, and so most people, when you give them
Speaker 2: a chance to tax someone else who may be making
Speaker 2: more money than they do, the instinctive reaction is, hey.
Speaker 3: Why not. You know it's not going to call I'm
Speaker 3: not a millionaire. It's not going to cost me anything.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. You know, if they had
Speaker 2: a ballot question that said, you know, if you're left handed,
Speaker 2: you got to pay an extra four percent on your
Speaker 2: state in them tax. Well, everybody who's right hand, they're
Speaker 2: they're going to vote for that. Simple, as simple as that.
Speaker 2: So Bill Belichick made a point. He was interviewed by
Speaker 2: The Herald. Well he was he was interviewed, excuse me
Speaker 2: on on a podcast and there was a story in
Speaker 2: The Herald Today which which picked up on Who's on
Speaker 2: ESPN's Pat McAfee show. You know, I like to give
Speaker 2: credit where credit is due, and he talked about the
Speaker 2: practical impact of the millionaire's tax in Massachusetts. So, in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: if you make over a million dollars, and name me
Speaker 2: a professional athlete that doesn't make over a million dollars,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: You probably can find some, but not many.
Speaker 2: Major League minimum is still less than a million dollars.
Speaker 2: But most players in the NFL, even those on taxi squads,
Speaker 2: make make good coin.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And if you successful, if you're successful as a professional athlete,
Speaker 2: you were you were handsomely rewarded, handsomely rewarded. But there's
Speaker 2: a disparity, and that disparity is between certain states. So
Speaker 2: you have a state like Massachusetts, which hits a pro athlete,
Speaker 2: or for that matter, anyone who's a business person who's
Speaker 2: extremely successful, they pay five percent on their first million dollars.
Speaker 2: Of course, everybody pays the same in your federal income taxes.
Speaker 2: You got to understand that doesn't matter where you live California, Tennessee, Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Federal incompact applies across the board. Different people have different
Speaker 2: exemptions and they have different deductions, and so there are
Speaker 2: ways in which certain people are able to minimize their
Speaker 2: taxes legally within the confines of the Internal Revenue CALLDE.
Speaker 2: But if you you're a pro athlete, and let's say
Speaker 2: whatever your sport is, they say, well, we're going to
Speaker 2: give you would like to give you a one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollar contract five years for twenty million dollars. That's
Speaker 2: not an exceptional contract anymore in professional sports Baseball, football,
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an exceptional in hockey, which is probably across
Speaker 2: the board the lowest paid.
Speaker 3: But those.
Speaker 2: Those salaries in the NHL are going up as well,
Speaker 2: certainly the NBA. So you will have to pay your
Speaker 2: federal income tax as everyone would. You might have deductions,
Speaker 2: maybe you make more charitable deductions.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: However, However, if you live in Massachusetts and you're going
Speaker 2: to pay the full tax in Massachusetts, you're going to
Speaker 2: pay five percent in the first.
Speaker 3: Million and then nine percent on the other million.
Speaker 2: So in this case, you'd be paying an additional fourteen
Speaker 2: additional four percent above and beyond the the the flat
Speaker 2: five rate, which means, when you think about it, you're
Speaker 2: gonna pay a lot of money. I mean a lot
Speaker 2: of money, uh, to Massachusetts. If you were to, let's say,
Speaker 2: play for a team in Tennessee, whether it's the Tennessee Titans,
Speaker 2: or play for a team in Nevada, the now the
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders, or a team in Florida, the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3: They are in Texas. They don't have state income Texas.
Speaker 2: So Bill Belichick brought that to everyone's attention. Rob play
Speaker 2: for me if you would, Bill Belichick, it's cut number
Speaker 2: thirteen yesterday on this podcast.
Speaker 3: What's that millionaire's tax about? It's strictly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Taxachusetts. Yeah, so virtually every player, even a practice
Speaker 4: squad well not, but even the minimum players are are
Speaker 4: pretty close to a million dollars. And so one you
Speaker 4: hit that million dollar threshold, then then you pay more
Speaker 4: state tax in Massachusetts. So yeah, just another thing you
Speaker 4: got to contend with the negotiations up there. It's not
Speaker 4: like Tennessee or you know, Florida or Nevada or some
Speaker 4: of these teams that have no state income tax. So
Speaker 4: you get, you know, you get, you get hit pretty
Speaker 4: hard on that. You know, with the agents, they'll they'll
Speaker 4: come and sledge hire me you down about you know,
Speaker 4: texattacks they're paying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a factor. And as we
Speaker 2: go through, we had some great championship season, six super
Speaker 2: Bowls with the Patriots. We're all rooting for the Patriots,
Speaker 2: we root for all the Boston teams. And the Celtics
Speaker 2: may have a pretty big payroll. They do, so they
Speaker 2: apparently are not impacted as much by that. But if
Speaker 2: you're a Patriots fan and you're going to be checking
Speaker 2: out to Gillette Stadium and you are upset that maybe
Speaker 2: the Patriots draft choice, they can hold a draft choice
Speaker 2: for I think it's whatever it is six years before
Speaker 2: they then can achieve free agency same way in baseball.
Speaker 2: I mean the Red Sox, they they weren't able to
Speaker 2: They signed the free agents this year, but they didn't
Speaker 2: have any of what they call the premier free agents.
Speaker 2: And you have to wonder does that millionaire's tax impact Now,
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't, I don't know, Maybe you don't care.
Speaker 2: But if we are a big we're a state of
Speaker 2: big sports fans, and this is a secondary impact of
Speaker 2: that millionaire's tax. There's a lot of people that are
Speaker 2: leaving Massachusetts. And the people who are leaving Massachusetts are
Speaker 2: the ones who have contributed. According to the article in
Speaker 2: the Boston Herald, taxpayers are fleeing Massachusetts at a rate
Speaker 2: that cost the state roughly three point nine billion dollars two.
Speaker 2: So you want to have a healthy state, and you
Speaker 2: want to have a state that obviously attracts people, not
Speaker 2: a state that basically says to people who are going
Speaker 2: to make a lot of money, you really don't want
Speaker 2: to come here and have an option. And if you're
Speaker 2: a young athlete who may have a I don't know,
Speaker 2: an earning potential for four or five years or at
Speaker 2: most seven or eight, you want to make the money
Speaker 2: and you want to be able to bank as much
Speaker 2: of the money as you can, because that might be
Speaker 2: and in most cases it probably will be the greatest
Speaker 2: earning power that you will ever have.
Speaker 3: So I'd like.
Speaker 2: To just throw out whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: I'd love to talk about this, because I did raise
Speaker 2: this at the time. I was opposed to the passage
Speaker 2: of the millionaire's tax because I think that short term, yeah,
Speaker 2: it will help short term, but long term, I think
Speaker 2: it is very very nearsighted, and long term it's going
Speaker 2: to call more problems. And immediately you're seeing it with
Speaker 2: the sports teams and you watch you see where the
Speaker 2: most the most highly compensated free agents in all the
Speaker 2: major sports end up. The Celtics have been lucky, they
Speaker 2: have drafted well and they have put together a championship team.
Speaker 2: How long will that team be able to stay together
Speaker 2: as well as a factor six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Bill Belichick called it out, and I hope
Speaker 2: it's always tough to explain numbers on radio, because first
Speaker 2: of all, you can't see the numbers. I hope I've
Speaker 2: done a good job or an adequate job explaining the numbers.
Speaker 2: If I have and you agree or disagree, and you
Speaker 2: think we should nail those athletes, those multimillion dollar athletes,
Speaker 2: nail them for as much money as we can, feel
Speaker 2: free to join the conversation. I don't think that's fair,
Speaker 2: but maybe you're going to disagree. Maybe if you agree,
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from me as well. Back on
Speaker 2: Night's side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the phones again.
Speaker 2: I think that you know a lot of people if
Speaker 2: the Patriots don't have a great season this year, and
Speaker 2: I think that that is a pretty good possibility, a
Speaker 2: transition year. They've drafted their the people they want to draft.
Speaker 2: But you always have to have some free agents, and
Speaker 2: sometimes you need really good free agents. And I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that the Patriots at this point are are blessed
Speaker 2: with some great free agent signings. I don't know, frankly
Speaker 2: one free agent signing. And I would also mention when
Speaker 2: Tom Brady decided to leave Gillette Stadium and the Patriots,
Speaker 2: remember with State, he ended up playing football and then
Speaker 2: winning his seventh Super Bowl Tampa Bay, Florida. No state
Speaker 2: income tax that might have been a factor in his
Speaker 2: consideration as well.
Speaker 3: Let me go to Will in Long Island.
Speaker 2: Hey Will, thanks for getting this going here on the
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 3: How are you tonight?
Speaker 1: Hey Dan?
Speaker 5: You know I'm not as concerned with the sports aspect
Speaker 5: of it, although I can obviously see if I were
Speaker 5: going to sign a twenty million dollar contract. Let's break
Speaker 5: down the numbers quickly. Okay, how much is going to
Speaker 5: my agent? Probably ten percent. Let's not forget my lawyers.
Speaker 5: Let's not forget my accountants. Let's not forget all of
Speaker 5: these people that I pay before I see a nicol.
Speaker 5: Let's not forget my thirty something percent federal income tax
Speaker 5: that I have to pay. Now you're telling me on
Speaker 5: top of that, after every million I made, I already
Speaker 5: gave five percent to State of Massachusetts on top of
Speaker 5: my state tax. This is my million are tax? Now
Speaker 5: I have to give them another nine percent?
Speaker 3: No, I go out. Well, let me make it clear.
Speaker 3: You got it five percent.
Speaker 5: On there on the second million from.
Speaker 2: One million in one dollar, the state tax goes right
Speaker 2: nine percent, So you write it now paid five percent.
Speaker 2: The extra is the extra four percent.
Speaker 5: I'm extra four percent over up to nine percent. I'm
Speaker 5: the next nineteen million yes, sir, okay, if I have
Speaker 5: a twenty million dollar contract. Okay, now you put all
Speaker 5: those other numbers into there, you know, with everybody else
Speaker 5: that I'm paying. So I'm going to go out. I'm
Speaker 5: going to work this hard to become the best in
Speaker 5: the world. That what I want to do. And on
Speaker 5: top of all these other people and the country I
Speaker 5: have to pay. You're telling me I have to pay
Speaker 5: Massachusetts nine more percent. And by the way, when something
Speaker 5: goes up nine percent or down nine percent, that is
Speaker 5: a significant amount of money to me, to you, and
Speaker 5: to everyone else. Okay. If our GDP fell nine percent tomorrow,
Speaker 5: the country would crash. Okay, nine percent is huge on
Speaker 5: your bottom line. It's not like, oh, well, they're millionaires,
Speaker 5: they can afford it. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3: I just did the numbers.
Speaker 2: So that extra, that extra four percent, okay, on the
Speaker 2: nineteen million dollar is in a hypothetical twenty million dollar player.
Speaker 2: That means that that player above and beyond what they
Speaker 2: would have played if they you know, we're here five
Speaker 2: years ago or ten years ago, they will pay an
Speaker 2: extra seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars for the privilege
Speaker 2: of playing in New England. Now, if you if you
Speaker 2: knock that all off and you say, you know, the
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars, uh, and you're talking about the five
Speaker 2: percent okay, which of course is another figure here.
Speaker 5: In MASSATONI A million.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be well right, So.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the bottom line.
Speaker 5: Okay, here's the bottom line. Let's take it out of
Speaker 5: the context to athletes because you can, you know.
Speaker 3: Let me just let me just give it to your question.
Speaker 2: That means a pro football player makes twenty million dollars
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts is going to pay one million, seven hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand dollars in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: Not you mentioned that three six million that he's going
Speaker 5: to pay the federal government and everyone else that he's
Speaker 5: going to pay.
Speaker 2: Compare that, to compare that to what he would play
Speaker 2: if he signed a contract with the Miami Dolphins, the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, the Tennessee Titles, lost, the Las Vegas Raiders,
Speaker 2: he would pay nothing. So therefore, if I'm the agent,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, and by the way, if we're
Speaker 2: talking like a five year contract, here twenty million dollars,
Speaker 2: which is not uncommon.
Speaker 3: One hundred million dollar contract, which is very racial.
Speaker 2: That's going to cost him close to close to eight
Speaker 2: million dollars down the drain.
Speaker 5: So let's now for your listeners, because I'm really you know,
Speaker 5: I'm month into economics and socialism versus capitalism and all
Speaker 5: the pitfalls of socialism that people try to gussie up
Speaker 5: and make it seem like it would be great for
Speaker 5: this country. Now, let's put into into, you know, a
Speaker 5: real life scenario for your listeners. Let's take it off
Speaker 5: sports for a second, because there's going to be a
Speaker 5: lot of people below. I screw these athletes to make
Speaker 5: too much money anyway. Now right now, let's call it
Speaker 5: world renowned heart surgeons in Massachusetts. Now let's call it
Speaker 5: contractors and builders and people that build homes. You have
Speaker 5: a mass exodus of taxpayers, but you have a mass
Speaker 5: influx of people that don't pay taxes and live off
Speaker 5: your system. That is a recipe for bankruptcy. I live
Speaker 5: in a state that is about to do that. California
Speaker 5: is a perfect example of that. The third largest GDP
Speaker 5: in the world had a surplus under a Republican Ish
Speaker 5: governor okay, and now they're on the brink of financial collapse.
Speaker 5: This is how you take a well run economy and
Speaker 5: destroy it. See, people don't understand. They think the athlete.
Speaker 5: Now Bill Belichick brought up, think about the best doctors
Speaker 5: in the world not wanting to come to Massachusetts anymore.
Speaker 5: Think about the best contractors and builders and the greatest
Speaker 5: minds in the world don't want to come to your
Speaker 5: state because you've driven them out. Now, let's extrapolate that
Speaker 5: into the country. Because wealthy people are not citizens of
Speaker 5: the United States. They're citizens of the world. And you
Speaker 5: drive them out of this nation to other nations, they
Speaker 5: leave with their wealth, the same way the United States
Speaker 5: attracted all that wealth from European countries that were doing
Speaker 5: the same thing. You are driving them out of here.
Speaker 5: One last thing before I go. I live in New York.
Speaker 5: I'm driving out to Pennsylvania this last weekend. I'm the
Speaker 5: guy that puts money in every cup at this I'm
Speaker 5: just that guy. If I go to foreign countries, I
Speaker 5: got bills flying out of my pocket all over the
Speaker 5: place to all the kids that are hungry. And so
Speaker 5: I just am that person. So I'm driving by and
Speaker 5: there's a guy walking down the middle of the Parkway,
Speaker 5: and I'm pull over to put money in this cup,
Speaker 5: and I'm looking at all the New Yorkers drive by him,
Speaker 5: all these people that could give a good money directly
Speaker 5: to him, all these liberals, supposedly, all these left wing
Speaker 5: people that just pass them by. The guy's crippled and everything,
Speaker 5: veteran signs, everything, he's just passing by. Let me explain
Speaker 5: something to you Democrats. Okay, it is neither virtuous nor
Speaker 5: noble to give away other people's money. Okay, live by example.
Speaker 5: Thanks Dan, you gut it.
Speaker 3: Will Greyclaw is always there's no doubt.
Speaker 2: But let me go to Matt a little closer to
Speaker 2: home and brighton Matt your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I know you're a sports guy.
Speaker 6: Thank you, and then hell it done.
Speaker 2: I think I'm doing great. Will's a tough act to follow. Men,
Speaker 2: he was good tonight.
Speaker 3: Go right ahead.
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean, he's a good act to follow. But
Speaker 6: you know, you know what, then, facts and numbers speak,
Speaker 6: volumes and statistics. Let me let me say something that
Speaker 6: you and I probably both know, the Rule five draft.
Speaker 6: The MLB works on a Rule five draft system, where essentially,
Speaker 6: if you are not signed outside of the top. Okay,
Speaker 6: I've cut it down twenty rounds recently. In the MLB draft.
Speaker 6: I'm sure you know, it used to be forty rounds
Speaker 6: where people were signing in the thousands, in the thousands,
Speaker 6: not of only dollars, but in the thousands of numbers.
Speaker 7: They had to cut it down.
Speaker 6: So these guys in real five drafts are now getting
Speaker 6: signed by teams like the Reds off that. I'll name
Speaker 6: you a couple guys. Garrett Whitlock no longer with them
Speaker 6: at the time that this happened, but he with the Yankees,
Speaker 6: he was some guys named Ben Ruda, some guys named Yaoyaki.
Speaker 6: Some of these guys who are young, talented guys, they're
Speaker 6: forced to be with a team for five years. And
Speaker 6: now when you want to look at where do those
Speaker 6: five years pan out for these guys? For these guys
Speaker 6: I work in baseball, I know these guys I know
Speaker 6: from I know some of these guys in saybe sixteen,
Speaker 6: coming over, you know, from a foreign country, and they
Speaker 6: come over with one hundred thousand dollars contract an agent
Speaker 6: and that wants to not all, but that wants to
Speaker 6: use them, and they have to perform and that's and
Speaker 6: the low end decide a thing, and that is what
Speaker 6: they have to live off of. So when we talk football,
Speaker 6: and we talked fifth round picks and we talk things
Speaker 6: like that, and you see a guy like another, you know,
Speaker 6: Tom Brady in the making, where you get somebody in
Speaker 6: the sixth round who's going to be, you know, a
Speaker 6: diamond in the rough. It really I couldn't disagree more
Speaker 6: with him. I'm all about capitalism to his numbers are
Speaker 6: just not accurate. What he's saying is not accurate. If
Speaker 6: you look at Brian Bellow, he said.
Speaker 2: Who's saying. I'm confused by what you're saying? He had
Speaker 2: this way? Who is who you saying is not accurate?
Speaker 2: Belichick or or Will from Long.
Speaker 6: Island the guy on the phone before you know.
Speaker 2: He's accurate, he's we're not talking about Let me please
Speaker 2: follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Uh, I understand.
Speaker 2: I understand the Rule five draft in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: What that allows teams to do is to cherry pick
Speaker 2: other rosters when somebody is not protected, and and sometimes
Speaker 2: you can pick up a diamond in the rough and
Speaker 2: that guy comes over to your team and gets paid
Speaker 2: probably the major.
Speaker 3: League minimum Okay.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about is when the Red Sox say,
Speaker 2: you know, we need an ace, we need a top
Speaker 2: line pitcher who we're going to have to pay twenty
Speaker 2: million dollars or more over a period of four or
Speaker 2: five years to get him to sign with us. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about you know, you know the type.
Speaker 6: Of pictures, and I know what you're saying.
Speaker 7: Look at Brian Bellow.
Speaker 2: Look at Brian Bellow's fine, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 6: So my point to me, you.
Speaker 3: Can find, you can find players. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: You can find.
Speaker 6: You can find guys, but you're forced to keep them
Speaker 6: for five years.
Speaker 2: When that well anything else, when you when you sign
Speaker 2: a guy and you draft him, there you they're they're
Speaker 2: in effect restricted. They can't gain their independence, they can't
Speaker 2: gain free agency status until they have so much major
Speaker 2: league time. And sometimes the major leagues play with these guys.
Speaker 2: The kid who was the third basement for the Cubs,
Speaker 2: they he was ready to play a few years ago,
Speaker 2: beginning on opening Day, they kept him down for two
Speaker 2: weeks so they could get that an extra year of
Speaker 2: him as a as a member of their organization. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think of the kid Uh, he's a great player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to keep them away from free agency because the number
Speaker 2: of years.
Speaker 3: That's not what we're saying. What I'm saying is this.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you, as a as a Boston sports team,
Speaker 2: want to sign some top free agent in whatever the
Speaker 2: sport is, let's say, let's say football, name me one player,
Speaker 2: marquee player that the Patriots have signed this year as
Speaker 2: a free a not someone who was drafted. You draft
Speaker 2: the guy they got to sign with you, or they
Speaker 2: can they can, they can go home and become a
Speaker 2: high school teacher. So they didn't sign anybody. And I
Speaker 2: think part of that, which Belichick is saying, is that
Speaker 2: it's tough because because if you're going to sign a
Speaker 2: big twenty million dollar contract, and you have a choice
Speaker 2: of signing that same contract, the exact same contract with Tennessee,
Speaker 2: with a team in Florida, a team in Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: a team in Texas, they don't have state income Texas
Speaker 2: down there. So your twenty million dollar contract, same amount
Speaker 2: of money is a much greater value to you if
Speaker 2: you play in Florida, Tennessee, Texas, or Nevada, then you
Speaker 2: play than if you play in New England, that's what
Speaker 2: we're saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. My comparison
Speaker 6: was much more to the baseball side. I book at football,
Speaker 6: I book at hockey. Even though you still get paid
Speaker 6: your money, but you know when it's getting done and
Speaker 6: you look and you have five six years bumping around
Speaker 6: the league and you know you can't make it. Your
Speaker 6: five six years out of the league and you need
Speaker 6: to find a new job. And I feel for it
Speaker 6: for some of these guys because it is not just
Speaker 6: you know, Rodney's.
Speaker 3: Interesting, but that's not what we're talking about. What we're
Speaker 3: doing about that.
Speaker 2: I understand that the Red Sox, when the Red Sox
Speaker 2: try to go out and find an ace a number
Speaker 2: one starter. Okay, I'm not talking about you know, a
Speaker 2: James Patt.
Speaker 6: I know what you're saying, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 6: argue with you here, but it's a different fundamental for football.
Speaker 6: My argument would be, if you're going out and looking
Speaker 6: for a running back or somebody who's a lineman or
Speaker 6: someone who you going to give ten million dollars to
Speaker 6: on you know, the field and whatever, they'll take, that
Speaker 6: it is different than looking for an ace in baseball.
Speaker 6: It is where you're looking.
Speaker 3: And what I don't care.
Speaker 2: Whether you Matt, Matt, I don't care whether you're looking
Speaker 2: for an ace in baseball or an as in football.
Speaker 2: If you got somebody who's who's a high caliber player
Speaker 2: and you want to bring somebody in who's a difference maker, okay,
Speaker 2: in football, baseball or whatever, and you're going to pay
Speaker 2: him the big bucks, you know that they're they're you know,
Speaker 2: look at Otani out in Los Angeles. Seven hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about Otani.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about it.
Speaker 2: A really good player, one hundred million, five five year contract,
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars, given a choice between playing here
Speaker 2: or with the Tapa Bay Rays. Uh, those players are
Speaker 2: going to say, I can play in Florida, and I can.
Speaker 2: I can get the same contract, but I get more money.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm trying to say, Matt, I got a
Speaker 2: run on this track.
Speaker 8: I'll leave it on this spot.
Speaker 6: Very quick. Otani did two things. They were very smart.
Speaker 6: Otani deferred his contract to take only two million dollars,
Speaker 6: so he could save that very team player all the
Speaker 6: way by doing that. And when you see some of
Speaker 6: the things message.
Speaker 3: That's not my argument, that's.
Speaker 9: Not myan is going to have trouble because when Bretani
Speaker 9: tries to take the money that he's that he's put
Speaker 9: away and deferred, and he goes home to Japan to
Speaker 9: try to collect that money, California.
Speaker 3: Is still going to come after in for the taxes.
Speaker 2: California is still going to come after for the taxes.
Speaker 2: You're talking sports, I'm talking sports, and I.
Speaker 7: Think we're okay.
Speaker 6: I think we got in crossheads exactly. But my point
Speaker 6: is you can get good money getting that Roll five draft,
Speaker 6: and you got.
Speaker 3: That's that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.
Speaker 9: You're talking about something which I understand just as well
Speaker 9: as you.
Speaker 8: You can you can pick up a.
Speaker 2: Great player in the roof Rule five draft because the
Speaker 2: other team, and it's we can cite examples. We can
Speaker 2: both cite examples. But that's the exception. You're going in
Speaker 2: and you're buying a bargain basement player. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about that. I'm talking about when you when you say
Speaker 2: to yourself, we got to go out and get a
Speaker 2: number one starter. We got to get out that. We
Speaker 2: gotta find the current day Roger Clemens. We got to
Speaker 2: find the Yankee sign Garrett Cole. If we're going to
Speaker 2: try and try to sign somebody who is at the
Speaker 2: top of their game and paid top money, we are
Speaker 2: at a disadvantage in Massachusetts because of the millionaire's tax.
Speaker 2: Simple as that rule. Five players are gonna come and
Speaker 2: make minimum for a couple of years five seventy five
Speaker 2: to eighty five ninety.
Speaker 3: They're not affected. Gotta run, man, thank you, gotta go.
Speaker 6: All right, thanks, all right.
Speaker 2: If you understand what I'm talking about, great, If you don't,
Speaker 2: that's okay. Six one, seven, four thirty. Belichick nailed it. Okay, Belichick,
Speaker 2: who for many many years was always a sphinx.
Speaker 3: At these news conferences. And what happened? Bill?
Speaker 2: We lost? Well, why'd you lose? They scored more points
Speaker 2: than us. He nailed it on this issue. Joined the
Speaker 2: conversation six one, seven, nine ten thirty. Back on Night's Side.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys don't get it. If you don't get it, fine,
Speaker 2: don't call. If you get it, give me a call.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: That decision will be announced tomorrow. Let me go next
Speaker 3: to Matthew in Pembroke Matthew, thanks for calling in. How
Speaker 3: are you tonight?
Speaker 7: Welcome great Dan. I always love to hear your voice
Speaker 7: on my write home from work.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 7: I just got on the air a little while ago.
Speaker 7: You're talking about the death tax, correct.
Speaker 2: No, No, we're talking about the state income tax. The
Speaker 2: death tax is another matter. Massachusetts has a death tax,
Speaker 2: a state tax, and there are some states that don't
Speaker 2: have that. No, what we're talking about here is the
Speaker 2: so called millionaires tax that we improved on a ballot
Speaker 2: initiative I think by fifty two to forty eight percent
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and Bill Belichick talked about on
Speaker 2: an ESPN podcast, And also there was a story in
Speaker 2: the Herald today sure which talked about, look, if you're
Speaker 2: signing a free agent player, you know, if you draft someone,
Speaker 2: it's all structured in the NFL where the first choice
Speaker 2: first round guys are going to get so much second round,
Speaker 2: et cetera. That with the millionaires tax. We used to
Speaker 2: have a flat tax, so everybody paid five percent. Well
Speaker 2: that's bad enough. But when you have the millionaires tax
Speaker 2: and some players are going to sign a contract, say
Speaker 2: for you know, some superstar, we're going to grab some
Speaker 2: superstar for twenty years, for twenty million for five years,
Speaker 2: that's one hundred million dollars. And when you then say, okay,
Speaker 2: after the million, after your million dollars, which we get
Speaker 2: you for five percent the ballance of your contract, that
Speaker 2: nineteen million dollars, you're going to pay nine percent. Sure. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're that player and I'm your agent, I'm going
Speaker 2: to say to okay, we got two offers in the table.
Speaker 2: Tennessee wants to pay you this same amount of money
Speaker 2: as New England. Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax.
Speaker 2: If you sign with New England, you're going to pay
Speaker 2: the state of Massachusetts about one point seven million dollars
Speaker 2: that you would not pay Tennessee. You would not pay
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins would pay Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It was
Speaker 2: interesting when Brady left the Patriots, he went to a
Speaker 2: no state income tax state and playing show off at
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. So the millionaires tax is not only going
Speaker 2: to cost US people fleeing, wealthy people fleeing Massachusetts, but
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of great athletes who would
Speaker 2: love to see play for the Patriots or the Red
Speaker 2: Sox or the Celtics or the Bruins.
Speaker 3: They're going to say thanks, but no thanks. That's the
Speaker 3: point I'm.
Speaker 7: Trying to make sure. And on top of that, you're
Speaker 7: taxed upon tax I mean, you go to the grocery store,
Speaker 7: you don't get text, but if you go out to McDonald's,
Speaker 7: you get taxed. You guess you get taxed, and by
Speaker 7: the time you get done, there's not much left. I
Speaker 7: don't know how these people in life do it well.
Speaker 3: I can always say that this.
Speaker 2: Just remember that in Massachusetts they only tax two things,
Speaker 2: everything that moves and anything that doesn't move.
Speaker 7: They were only really well tonight, I appreciate it. I
Speaker 7: just want to mention that time every time you turn
Speaker 7: around your tax you know, no matter what you do,
Speaker 7: six and a half percent sales tax on top of
Speaker 7: them what you've already paid for taxes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And what it comes down to is people
Speaker 2: like you who work for living.
Speaker 3: Every day you get up, you go to work. It's tough.
Speaker 2: It's tough, and there's still people out there who never
Speaker 2: work and they're the ones who are living off the
Speaker 2: public dole. And now we have an influx of folks
Speaker 2: coming into the state who have nothing they're migrants, and
Speaker 2: I noticed one of the stories today they're now just
Speaker 2: hanging out.
Speaker 3: We don't have room for them.
Speaker 2: But we we said to them all, we're a welcoming
Speaker 2: state and we have a right to shelter the law.
Speaker 2: We didn't amend that law. And now these poor souls
Speaker 2: are sleeping outdoors at night, which is okay. I guess
Speaker 2: in August, I don't want to be sleeping on doors
Speaker 2: at night at the Quincy MBTA station, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, So this is the first year I'm
Speaker 7: going to actually make a really a lot of money,
Speaker 7: and I'm very grateful I have a job. It worked
Speaker 7: sixty four hours a week to do it, though, you know,
Speaker 7: and it's a lot. I have to drive to Boston
Speaker 7: every day and drive home. It takes quite a bit
Speaker 7: of time. But anyhow, now I'm going to make one
Speaker 7: hundred and forty thousand dollars this year. And guess what
Speaker 7: I paid last year. I was near there. I paid
Speaker 7: over thirty thousand and tax federal tax. And now I
Speaker 7: make too much money. I can't even have forty thousand.
Speaker 7: You're not allowed to put money into a rough ira.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get your gain. By the way, I drove
Speaker 2: into Boston today and it took me about an hour
Speaker 2: just to get from Somerville down to Dorchester if I
Speaker 2: had to make that commute, and that was two thirty
Speaker 2: in the afternoon. I and by the way, you know this,
Speaker 2: I didn't see there was no accident, So it was
Speaker 2: just the way the roads are constructed.
Speaker 3: Did the big dig for twenty billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars, and traffic still is horrible to transit through mass
Speaker 2: through downtown Boston.
Speaker 7: I know, I don't want to keep y'all. Let you go,
Speaker 7: Thanks Dan, Thanks me.
Speaker 3: I appreciated Matthew.
Speaker 2: If I was doing this every day, I think I
Speaker 2: would just I would give it up. I would give
Speaker 2: it up. Thanks Matthew. Okay, let me get one more
Speaker 2: in here. I'm going to try real quickly before we
Speaker 2: got to go to break. Tanya in Boston, Hi, Tanya,
Speaker 2: welcome back.
Speaker 7: How are you good?
Speaker 3: Are you? I'm doing great? Tell me do you do
Speaker 3: you understand and do you agree with the sentiments expressed
Speaker 3: by coach Belichick.
Speaker 10: I didn't hear what he said specifically, but I when
Speaker 10: you were seated it, I understand what you're saying, and
Speaker 10: I understand where he's coming from because I mean, we're
Speaker 10: in the state of Taxachusetts, so you know, unless we've
Speaker 10: got something way over the top over here that's going
Speaker 10: to attract you players to want to say, oh yeah,
Speaker 10: here take another nine percent on top of everything else,
Speaker 10: or another additional four percent, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 10: But where I do think is becoming a bigger problem
Speaker 10: is if you start depleting the level of good team
Speaker 10: players coming in that are strong and they can win,
Speaker 10: then you're going to have people not going to the
Speaker 10: games and you're not going to be bringing in more money.
Speaker 10: So at the end of the day, it is my
Speaker 10: understanding that if you're not filling those seats at the
Speaker 10: stadiums and people aren't participating in the sport overall with everybody,
Speaker 10: then the state's going to lose more money overall at
Speaker 10: the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Absolutely why And.
Speaker 10: I almost feel like like this is almost like a
Speaker 10: punitive tax for being a good player.
Speaker 2: Well, it is here, But the good news for the
Speaker 2: player is that he could say, Hey, I'm going to
Speaker 2: play for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm going to play for
Speaker 2: the Vegas Say the Las Vegas Raiders are going to
Speaker 2: go play for the Dolphins, are gonna go play for
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers. There's a bunch of states that don't even
Speaker 2: have a state income tax, so those teams over time
Speaker 2: are going to be advantaged. And I think what Belichick
Speaker 2: was talking about from the frustrations of being a coach.
Speaker 2: You know, you're trying to win, uh for your owner,
Speaker 2: and you're trying to win for your team and for
Speaker 2: your job, and the tax structure in Massachusetts. Finally, finally,
Speaker 2: one of the leading you know, professional coaches has has said, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you know this is going to hurt hurt our team
Speaker 2: over time. And but you know, so all the all
Speaker 2: the Patriots fans out there realize that it's going to
Speaker 2: be a long time before the Patriots are competing in
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I agree, because the other thing, like from a player's standpoint,
Speaker 10: they got to come out here. We got a weather issue.
Speaker 10: You know, it's not as bad as Buffalo. I grew
Speaker 10: up in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I got you. Yeah, oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 7: And it's tougher to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the cold and the snow in December. But also, look,
Speaker 2: maybe the Patriots might decide they're going to move to
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. They are the New England Patriots, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe who knows?
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting that Belichick finally spoken up.
Speaker 2: Daniel I got you before the break, but I got
Speaker 2: a scoot, so I'm gonna let.
Speaker 3: You run for now.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for Colin for being a listener and
Speaker 2: calling this program. I really appreciate your loyalty.
Speaker 10: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, we get back. I got Danielle, I got Christine,
Speaker 2: and I got pegged. The ladies are run to rule
Speaker 2: the roost here right after the break.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to the call. It's got
Speaker 3: my pal Danielle out a wooster. Danielle, I'd love to
Speaker 3: know what you think about this. You're a sports fan too, hey, but.
Speaker 10: I don't want you.
Speaker 11: You know, the taxes are always.
Speaker 8: Interesting to me.
Speaker 11: I always, especially when I compare things to New England states.
Speaker 11: You know, we've been trump no pun intended, they're trumps,
Speaker 11: the tax achusets, you know, and everything else. But the
Speaker 11: states that about us, mostly specifically Connecticut and New Hampshire,
Speaker 11: are very guilty of a lot of other taxes that
Speaker 11: blow us or out.
Speaker 1: Of the water.
Speaker 11: New Hampshire's property taxes are probably like the third or
Speaker 11: fourth highest in the country. So although they don't pay
Speaker 11: income tax, you've got a really nice state that you're
Speaker 11: living on. Let's take Tom Brady's mega mansion in Florida
Speaker 11: and plumb get in New Hampshire. Let's just see how
Speaker 11: much that's gonna cost into living there.
Speaker 10: So I think that nothing is free.
Speaker 11: We all know that that that you're going to get
Speaker 11: it somewhere else. So I think that rather than focus on,
Speaker 11: you know, what you're not going to get, let's focus
Speaker 11: what you are getting. And these guys don't necessarily have
Speaker 11: to the residents of Massachusetts, right, So doesn't it go
Speaker 11: by you can hear me, right, No, no, no no.
Speaker 2: If you play for the New England Patriots, if you
Speaker 2: play for the New England Patriots, or you play for
Speaker 2: the Boston Red Sox, you will be taxed as an
Speaker 2: employee of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like someone living up in New Hampshire
Speaker 2: who drives across the state line every day and works
Speaker 2: in Thethuan.
Speaker 3: They pay Massachusetts state income tax.
Speaker 7: If they're because they live here.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they live in New Hampshire and they
Speaker 2: work in and they work as a whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: a software engineer.
Speaker 8: And then make some kind of a split though. No, no, because.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Live in New Hampshire, you work in Massachusetts, you pay
Speaker 2: Massachusetts taxes, Danielle, I hate to do this year.
Speaker 3: I got two more.
Speaker 11: It's fine, But I'm just saying, like sales tax, youth tax,
Speaker 11: excise some of these states.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Massachusetts is still Massachusetts is taxachuss. It's called Taxachusets
Speaker 2: for a reason. Okay, trust me when you break the
Speaker 2: numbers down, and I've done it many times, it's a
Speaker 2: very expensive to state from taxes to live in.
Speaker 3: Simple as that. And we don't get much. But will
Speaker 3: we do? By the way, try the roads. Go go
Speaker 3: to New Hampshire. See how good the roads are up
Speaker 3: there compared to here. I got a scoop. I gotta scoop.
Speaker 2: We'll talk show, all right. Let me go real quickly, Christina,
Speaker 2: got you in peg. I want to give you both
Speaker 2: a chance.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Christine, Okay, I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 10: Dan.
Speaker 7: I agree, yeah very much.
Speaker 8: It's crazy, Like I just I don't understand it all.
Speaker 8: I really don't.
Speaker 2: They basically want to penalize success, and they want to
Speaker 2: penalize the people who are successful, and the people who
Speaker 2: are successful of the people that that go to restaurants,
Speaker 2: that that that buy things, that employ other people in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: if you're successful, you will be penalized.
Speaker 10: It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2: Totally with you, Totally with you, Christine. Thanks for being
Speaker 2: sixtinct for me here because I want to get Peg
Speaker 2: in for a second. Two Okay, Okay, have a good night,
Speaker 2: a good day later on.
Speaker 3: I hope so, I hope so PEG is in Pepperal, Peg,
Speaker 3: you're going to wrap it up for us.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Peg, Hi, Dan, you know, I understand numbers
Speaker 8: better than I understand sports, and your call from New
Speaker 8: York hit it right on the button. And one thing
Speaker 8: to add to his conversation was it just shows the
Speaker 8: money that's being spent from Massachusetts, what poor management we
Speaker 8: have had financially over the last I don't know, twenty years, thirty.
Speaker 3: Years, got it, you know, Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 8: Peg, Absolutely, this state is becoming, you know, and I
Speaker 8: live in the border of New Hampshire and the roads
Speaker 8: are better, by the.
Speaker 5: Way a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have worse weather than we do peg,
Speaker 2: I got to run. I'm flat out of time. Called
Speaker 2: sooner and we'll do more time. Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Done for the night, everybody. Thank you so much.
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