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<v Speaker 1>It's nice Eye Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, welcome back everybody. It is now a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say about eleven o seven here as we head

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<v Speaker 2>TOORG the midnight hour. The Red Sox. One earlier tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Brian Bellow. Came up with a veyo. Came up

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<v Speaker 2>with a pretty good performance. I think you threw eight

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<v Speaker 2>innings of shutout baseball, and the Red Sox beat the

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Jays to tie up this series two games to two.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Red Sox need to win much more than

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<v Speaker 2>they lose if they have any hopes of making the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the story for another night. If you were

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<v Speaker 2>out there tonight, I'd love to get any reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give you some options here. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We we talked earlier tonight with doctor Marty McCarey. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>talked talked about the banning of cell phones in in schools, which.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's got to that point. I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can pick up on any of that conversation

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like. Also, I thought that our guest last hour,

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Allen Curly, is an extraordinary guy. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy with nine convictions, spent a decade behind bars. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean almost lost, you know, his entire existence, because once

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<v Speaker 2>you've spent ten years behind bars, it's tough to break

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<v Speaker 2>that cycle. But he was able to do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you listened last hour, I hope if you missed

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<v Speaker 2>Last Hour, please listen to it at night side and

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<v Speaker 2>demand because it was an extraordinary hour just hearing his

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<v Speaker 2>story and one subject that came up today which I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was sort of interesting, and I hope some of

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<v Speaker 2>you might feel the same way. Bill Belichick, who is

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<v Speaker 2>out of the coaching game at least for a year.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm convinced that a year from now Belichick will be

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<v Speaker 2>back as a coach. He's only a few wins away

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<v Speaker 2>from the the most wins of any head coach in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL. But Belichick had some comments about the Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>millionaires tax. That was a ballot question that was approved

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two by a narrow margin fifty two

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<v Speaker 2>to forty eight percent, in which very few people obviously

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<v Speaker 2>are millionaires, and so most people, when you give them

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to tax someone else who may be making

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<v Speaker 2>more money than they do, the instinctive reaction is, hey.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not. You know it's not going to call I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a millionaire. It's not going to cost me anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. You know, if they had

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<v Speaker 2>a ballot question that said, you know, if you're left handed,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to pay an extra four percent on your

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<v Speaker 2>state in them tax. Well, everybody who's right hand, they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to vote for that. Simple, as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bill Belichick made a point. He was interviewed by

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<v Speaker 2>The Herald. Well he was he was interviewed, excuse me

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<v Speaker 2>on on a podcast and there was a story in

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<v Speaker 2>The Herald Today which which picked up on Who's on

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<v Speaker 2>ESPN's Pat McAfee show. You know, I like to give

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<v Speaker 2>credit where credit is due, and he talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>practical impact of the millionaire's tax in Massachusetts. So, in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>if you make over a million dollars, and name me

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<v Speaker 2>a professional athlete that doesn't make over a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>You probably can find some, but not many.

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<v Speaker 2>Major League minimum is still less than a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But most players in the NFL, even those on taxi squads,

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<v Speaker 2>make make good coin.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you successful, if you're successful as a professional athlete,

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<v Speaker 2>you were you were handsomely rewarded, handsomely rewarded. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a disparity, and that disparity is between certain states. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have a state like Massachusetts, which hits a pro athlete,

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<v Speaker 2>or for that matter, anyone who's a business person who's

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<v Speaker 2>extremely successful, they pay five percent on their first million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, everybody pays the same in your federal income taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to understand that doesn't matter where you live California, Tennessee, Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Federal incompact applies across the board. Different people have different

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<v Speaker 2>exemptions and they have different deductions, and so there are

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<v Speaker 2>ways in which certain people are able to minimize their

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<v Speaker 2>taxes legally within the confines of the Internal Revenue CALLDE.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you you're a pro athlete, and let's say

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<v Speaker 2>whatever your sport is, they say, well, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>give you would like to give you a one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar contract five years for twenty million dollars. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not an exceptional contract anymore in professional sports Baseball, football,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's an exceptional in hockey, which is probably across

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<v Speaker 2>the board the lowest paid.

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<v Speaker 3>But those.

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<v Speaker 2>Those salaries in the NHL are going up as well,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly the NBA. So you will have to pay your

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<v Speaker 2>federal income tax as everyone would. You might have deductions,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you make more charitable deductions.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>However, However, if you live in Massachusetts and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to pay the full tax in Massachusetts, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>pay five percent in the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Million and then nine percent on the other million.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this case, you'd be paying an additional fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>additional four percent above and beyond the the the flat

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<v Speaker 2>five rate, which means, when you think about it, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna pay a lot of money. I mean a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money, uh, to Massachusetts. If you were to, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>play for a team in Tennessee, whether it's the Tennessee Titans,

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas Raiders, or a team in Florida, the Miami Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 3>They are in Texas. They don't have state income Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bill Belichick brought that to everyone's attention. Rob play

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<v Speaker 2>for me if you would, Bill Belichick, it's cut number

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen yesterday on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>What's that millionaire's tax about? It's strictly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Taxachusetts. Yeah, so virtually every player, even a practice

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<v Speaker 4>squad well not, but even the minimum players are are

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<v Speaker 4>pretty close to a million dollars. And so one you

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<v Speaker 4>hit that million dollar threshold, then then you pay more

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<v Speaker 4>state tax in Massachusetts. So yeah, just another thing you

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<v Speaker 4>got to contend with the negotiations up there. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>like Tennessee or you know, Florida or Nevada or some

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<v Speaker 4>of these teams that have no state income tax. So

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<v Speaker 4>you get, you know, you get, you get hit pretty

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<v Speaker 4>hard on that. You know, with the agents, they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 4>come and sledge hire me you down about you know,

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<v Speaker 4>texattacks they're paying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that's a factor. And as we

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<v Speaker 2>go through, we had some great championship season, six super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowls with the Patriots. We're all rooting for the Patriots,

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<v Speaker 2>we root for all the Boston teams. And the Celtics

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<v Speaker 2>may have a pretty big payroll. They do, so they

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<v Speaker 2>apparently are not impacted as much by that. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Patriots fan and you're going to be checking

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<v Speaker 2>out to Gillette Stadium and you are upset that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots draft choice, they can hold a draft choice

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<v Speaker 2>for I think it's whatever it is six years before

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<v Speaker 2>they then can achieve free agency same way in baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the Red Sox, they they weren't able to

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<v Speaker 2>They signed the free agents this year, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have any of what they call the premier free agents.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to wonder does that millionaire's tax impact Now,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it doesn't, I don't know, Maybe you don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we are a big we're a state of

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<v Speaker 2>big sports fans, and this is a secondary impact of

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<v Speaker 2>that millionaire's tax. There's a lot of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>leaving Massachusetts. And the people who are leaving Massachusetts are

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who have contributed. According to the article in

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Herald, taxpayers are fleeing Massachusetts at a rate

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<v Speaker 2>that cost the state roughly three point nine billion dollars two.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to have a healthy state, and you

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<v Speaker 2>want to have a state that obviously attracts people, not

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<v Speaker 2>a state that basically says to people who are going

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<v Speaker 2>to make a lot of money, you really don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to come here and have an option. And if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a young athlete who may have a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>an earning potential for four or five years or at

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<v Speaker 2>most seven or eight, you want to make the money

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to be able to bank as much

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<v Speaker 2>of the money as you can, because that might be

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<v Speaker 2>and in most cases it probably will be the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>earning power that you will ever have.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'd like.

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<v Speaker 2>To just throw out whatever you want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to talk about this, because I did raise

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<v Speaker 2>this at the time. I was opposed to the passage

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<v Speaker 2>of the millionaire's tax because I think that short term, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it will help short term, but long term, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is very very nearsighted, and long term it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to call more problems. And immediately you're seeing it with

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<v Speaker 2>the sports teams and you watch you see where the

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<v Speaker 2>most the most highly compensated free agents in all the

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<v Speaker 2>major sports end up. The Celtics have been lucky, they

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<v Speaker 2>have drafted well and they have put together a championship team.

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<v Speaker 2>How long will that team be able to stay together

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<v Speaker 2>as well as a factor six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting. Bill Belichick called it out, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>it's always tough to explain numbers on radio, because first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, you can't see the numbers. I hope I've

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<v Speaker 2>done a good job or an adequate job explaining the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>If I have and you agree or disagree, and you

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<v Speaker 2>think we should nail those athletes, those multimillion dollar athletes,

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<v Speaker 2>nail them for as much money as we can, feel

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<v Speaker 2>free to join the conversation. I don't think that's fair,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe you're going to disagree. Maybe if you agree,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to hear from me as well. Back on

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<v Speaker 2>Night's side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go to the phones again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know a lot of people if

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots don't have a great season this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is a pretty good possibility, a

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<v Speaker 2>transition year. They've drafted their the people they want to draft.

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<v Speaker 2>But you always have to have some free agents, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you need really good free agents. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the Patriots at this point are are blessed

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<v Speaker 2>with some great free agent signings. I don't know, frankly

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<v Speaker 2>one free agent signing. And I would also mention when

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady decided to leave Gillette Stadium and the Patriots,

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<v Speaker 2>remember with State, he ended up playing football and then

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<v Speaker 2>winning his seventh Super Bowl Tampa Bay, Florida. No state

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<v Speaker 2>income tax that might have been a factor in his

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<v Speaker 2>consideration as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go to Will in Long Island.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Will, thanks for getting this going here on the

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<v Speaker 3>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>You know I'm not as concerned with the sports aspect

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<v Speaker 5>of it, although I can obviously see if I were

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<v Speaker 5>going to sign a twenty million dollar contract. Let's break

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<v Speaker 5>down the numbers quickly. Okay, how much is going to

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<v Speaker 5>my agent? Probably ten percent. Let's not forget my lawyers.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's not forget my accountants. Let's not forget all of

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<v Speaker 5>these people that I pay before I see a nicol.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's not forget my thirty something percent federal income tax

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<v Speaker 5>that I have to pay. Now you're telling me on

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<v Speaker 5>top of that, after every million I made, I already

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<v Speaker 5>gave five percent to State of Massachusetts on top of

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<v Speaker 3>You got it five percent.

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<v Speaker 5>On there on the second million from.

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<v Speaker 2>One million in one dollar, the state tax goes right

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<v Speaker 2>nine percent, So you write it now paid five percent.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm extra four percent over up to nine percent. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>the next nineteen million yes, sir, okay, if I have

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<v Speaker 5>that I'm paying. So I'm going to go out. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>Massachusetts nine more percent. And by the way, when something

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<v Speaker 5>to everyone else. Okay. If our GDP fell nine percent tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>I just did the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>So that extra, that extra four percent, okay, on the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen million dollar is in a hypothetical twenty million dollar player.

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<v Speaker 2>That means that that player above and beyond what they

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<v Speaker 2>of playing in New England. Now, if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>Here's here's the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, here's the bottom line. Let's take it out of

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<v Speaker 3>Let me just let me just give it to your question.

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<v Speaker 2>That means a pro football player makes twenty million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts is going to pay one million, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 5>Not you mentioned that three six million that he's going

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<v Speaker 2>Compare that, to compare that to what he would play

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys, the Tennessee Titles, lost, the Las Vegas Raiders,

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<v Speaker 2>he would pay nothing. So therefore, if I'm the agent,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say, and by the way, if we're

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred million dollar contract, which is very racial.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to cost him close to close to eight

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<v Speaker 5>So let's now for your listeners, because I'm really you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the pitfalls of socialism that people try to gussie up

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<v Speaker 5>this country. Now, let's put into into, you know, a

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<v Speaker 5>sports for a second, because there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>too much money anyway. Now right now, let's call it

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<v Speaker 5>world renowned heart surgeons in Massachusetts. Now let's call it

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<v Speaker 5>contractors and builders and people that build homes. You have

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<v Speaker 5>a mass exodus of taxpayers, but you have a mass

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<v Speaker 5>influx of people that don't pay taxes and live off

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<v Speaker 5>in a state that is about to do that. California

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<v Speaker 5>is a perfect example of that. The third largest GDP

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<v Speaker 5>in the world had a surplus under a Republican Ish

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<v Speaker 5>governor okay, and now they're on the brink of financial collapse.

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<v Speaker 5>This is how you take a well run economy and

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<v Speaker 5>destroy it. See, people don't understand. They think the athlete.

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<v Speaker 5>Now Bill Belichick brought up, think about the best doctors

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<v Speaker 5>in the world not wanting to come to Massachusetts anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Think about the best contractors and builders and the greatest

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<v Speaker 5>minds in the world don't want to come to your

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<v Speaker 5>state because you've driven them out. Now, let's extrapolate that

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<v Speaker 5>into the country. Because wealthy people are not citizens of

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<v Speaker 5>the United States. They're citizens of the world. And you

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<v Speaker 5>drive them out of this nation to other nations, they

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<v Speaker 5>leave with their wealth, the same way the United States

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<v Speaker 5>attracted all that wealth from European countries that were doing

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<v Speaker 5>the same thing. You are driving them out of here.

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<v Speaker 5>One last thing before I go. I live in New York.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm driving out to Pennsylvania this last weekend. I'm the

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<v Speaker 5>guy that puts money in every cup at this I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just that guy. If I go to foreign countries, I

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<v Speaker 5>got bills flying out of my pocket all over the

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<v Speaker 5>place to all the kids that are hungry. And so

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<v Speaker 5>I just am that person. So I'm driving by and

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<v Speaker 5>there's a guy walking down the middle of the Parkway,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm pull over to put money in this cup,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm looking at all the New Yorkers drive by him,

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<v Speaker 5>all these people that could give a good money directly

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<v Speaker 5>to him, all these liberals, supposedly, all these left wing

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<v Speaker 5>people that just pass them by. The guy's crippled and everything,

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<v Speaker 5>veteran signs, everything, he's just passing by. Let me explain

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<v Speaker 5>something to you Democrats. Okay, it is neither virtuous nor

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<v Speaker 5>noble to give away other people's money. Okay, live by example.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Dan, you gut it.

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<v Speaker 3>Will Greyclaw is always there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me go to Matt a little closer to

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<v Speaker 2>home and brighton Matt your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're a sports guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, and then hell it done.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm doing great. Will's a tough act to follow. Men,

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<v Speaker 2>he was good tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I mean, he's a good act to follow. But

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<v Speaker 6>you know, you know what, then, facts and numbers speak,

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<v Speaker 6>volumes and statistics. Let me let me say something that

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<v Speaker 6>you and I probably both know, the Rule five draft.

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<v Speaker 6>The MLB works on a Rule five draft system, where essentially,

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<v Speaker 6>if you are not signed outside of the top. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>I've cut it down twenty rounds recently. In the MLB draft.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure you know, it used to be forty rounds

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<v Speaker 6>where people were signing in the thousands, in the thousands,

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<v Speaker 6>not of only dollars, but in the thousands of numbers.

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<v Speaker 7>They had to cut it down.

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<v Speaker 6>So these guys in real five drafts are now getting

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<v Speaker 6>signed by teams like the Reds off that. I'll name

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<v Speaker 6>you a couple guys. Garrett Whitlock no longer with them

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<v Speaker 6>at the time that this happened, but he with the Yankees,

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<v Speaker 6>Some of these guys who are young, talented guys, they're

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<v Speaker 6>now when you want to look at where do those

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<v Speaker 6>I work in baseball, I know these guys I know

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<v Speaker 6>from I know some of these guys in saybe sixteen,

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<v Speaker 6>coming over, you know, from a foreign country, and they

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<v Speaker 6>come over with one hundred thousand dollars contract an agent

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<v Speaker 6>and that wants to not all, but that wants to

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<v Speaker 6>use them, and they have to perform and that's and

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<v Speaker 6>the low end decide a thing, and that is what

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<v Speaker 6>they have to live off of. So when we talk football,

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<v Speaker 6>and we talked fifth round picks and we talk things

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<v Speaker 6>like that, and you see a guy like another, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Tom Brady in the making, where you get somebody in

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<v Speaker 6>the sixth round who's going to be, you know, a

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<v Speaker 6>with him. I'm all about capitalism to his numbers are

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<v Speaker 2>Who's saying. I'm confused by what you're saying? He had

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<v Speaker 2>this way? Who is who you saying is not accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>Belichick or or Will from Long.

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<v Speaker 6>Island the guy on the phone before you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He's accurate, he's we're not talking about Let me please

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<v Speaker 2>follow what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the Rule five draft in Major League Baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>What that allows teams to do is to cherry pick

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<v Speaker 2>other rosters when somebody is not protected, and and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you can pick up a diamond in the rough and

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<v Speaker 2>that guy comes over to your team and gets paid

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<v Speaker 2>probably the major.

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<v Speaker 3>League minimum Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm talking about is when the Red Sox say,

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<v Speaker 2>five years to get him to sign with us. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>Of pictures, and I know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 7>Look at Brian Bellow.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at Brian Bellow's fine, that's fine, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>So my point to me, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can find, you can find players. Don't get me wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find.

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<v Speaker 6>You can find guys, but you're forced to keep them

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<v Speaker 2>When that well anything else, when you when you sign

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<v Speaker 2>in effect restricted. They can't gain their independence, they can't

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<v Speaker 2>gain free agency status until they have so much major

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<v Speaker 2>league time. And sometimes the major leagues play with these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>The kid who was the third basement for the Cubs,

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<v Speaker 2>they he was ready to play a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>beginning on opening Day, they kept him down for two

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<v Speaker 2>him as a as a member of their organization. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you, as a as a Boston sports team,

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<v Speaker 2>marquee player that the Patriots have signed this year as

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<v Speaker 2>a free a not someone who was drafted. You draft

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<v Speaker 2>the guy they got to sign with you, or they

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<v Speaker 2>can they can, they can go home and become a

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<v Speaker 2>think part of that, which Belichick is saying, is that

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<v Speaker 2>of signing that same contract, the exact same contract with Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 2>a team in Texas, they don't have state income Texas

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<v Speaker 2>down there. So your twenty million dollar contract, same amount

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<v Speaker 6>was much more to the baseball side. I book at football,

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<v Speaker 6>I book at hockey. Even though you still get paid

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<v Speaker 6>your money, but you know when it's getting done and

426
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<v Speaker 6>you look and you have five six years bumping around

427
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<v Speaker 6>the league and you know you can't make it. Your

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<v Speaker 6>five six years out of the league and you need

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<v Speaker 6>to find a new job. And I feel for it

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<v Speaker 6>for some of these guys because it is not just

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<v Speaker 6>you know, Rodney's.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, but that's not what we're talking about. What we're

433
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<v Speaker 3>doing about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that the Red Sox, when the Red Sox

435
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<v Speaker 2>try to go out and find an ace a number

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<v Speaker 2>one starter. Okay, I'm not talking about you know, a

437
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<v Speaker 2>James Patt.

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<v Speaker 6>I know what you're saying, and I'm not trying to

439
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<v Speaker 6>argue with you here, but it's a different fundamental for football.

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<v Speaker 6>My argument would be, if you're going out and looking

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<v Speaker 6>for a running back or somebody who's a lineman or

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<v Speaker 6>someone who you going to give ten million dollars to

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<v Speaker 6>on you know, the field and whatever, they'll take, that

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<v Speaker 6>it is different than looking for an ace in baseball.

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<v Speaker 6>It is where you're looking.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you Matt, Matt, I don't care whether you're looking

448
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<v Speaker 2>for an ace in baseball or an as in football.

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<v Speaker 2>If you got somebody who's who's a high caliber player

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to bring somebody in who's a difference maker, okay,

451
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<v Speaker 2>in football, baseball or whatever, and you're going to pay

452
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<v Speaker 2>him the big bucks, you know that they're they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>look at Otani out in Los Angeles. Seven hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not even talking about Otani.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>A really good player, one hundred million, five five year contract,

457
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<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollars, given a choice between playing here

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<v Speaker 2>or with the Tapa Bay Rays. Uh, those players are

459
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<v Speaker 2>going to say, I can play in Florida, and I can.

460
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<v Speaker 2>I can get the same contract, but I get more money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm trying to say, Matt, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>run on this track.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll leave it on this spot.

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<v Speaker 6>Very quick. Otani did two things. They were very smart.

465
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<v Speaker 6>Otani deferred his contract to take only two million dollars,

466
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<v Speaker 6>so he could save that very team player all the

467
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<v Speaker 6>way by doing that. And when you see some of

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<v Speaker 6>the things message.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not my argument, that's.

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<v Speaker 9>Not myan is going to have trouble because when Bretani

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<v Speaker 9>tries to take the money that he's that he's put

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<v Speaker 9>away and deferred, and he goes home to Japan to

473
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<v Speaker 9>try to collect that money, California.

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<v Speaker 3>Is still going to come after in for the taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>California is still going to come after for the taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking sports, I'm talking sports, and I.

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<v Speaker 7>Think we're okay.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we got in crossheads exactly. But my point

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<v Speaker 6>is you can get good money getting that Roll five draft,

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<v Speaker 6>and you got.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 9>You're talking about something which I understand just as well

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<v Speaker 9>as you.

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<v Speaker 8>You can you can pick up a.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Great player in the roof Rule five draft because the

486
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<v Speaker 2>other team, and it's we can cite examples. We can

487
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<v Speaker 2>both cite examples. But that's the exception. You're going in

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<v Speaker 2>and you're buying a bargain basement player. I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I'm talking about when you when you say

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<v Speaker 2>to yourself, we got to go out and get a

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<v Speaker 2>number one starter. We got to get out that. We

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<v Speaker 2>gotta find the current day Roger Clemens. We got to

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<v Speaker 2>find the Yankee sign Garrett Cole. If we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>try and try to sign somebody who is at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of their game and paid top money, we are

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<v Speaker 2>at a disadvantage in Massachusetts because of the millionaire's tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Simple as that rule. Five players are gonna come and

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<v Speaker 2>make minimum for a couple of years five seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>to eighty five ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not affected. Gotta run, man, thank you, gotta go.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, thanks, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you understand what I'm talking about, great, If you don't,

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. Six one, seven, four thirty. Belichick nailed it. Okay, Belichick,

504
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 2>who for many many years was always a sphinx.

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<v Speaker 3>At these news conferences. And what happened? Bill?

506
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<v Speaker 2>We lost? Well, why'd you lose? They scored more points

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<v Speaker 2>than us. He nailed it on this issue. Joined the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation six one, seven, nine ten thirty. Back on Night's Side.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you guys don't get it. If you don't get it, fine,

510
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<v Speaker 2>don't call. If you get it, give me a call.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 3>That decision will be announced tomorrow. Let me go next

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<v Speaker 3>to Matthew in Pembroke Matthew, thanks for calling in. How

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<v Speaker 3>are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 7>Welcome great Dan. I always love to hear your voice

517
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<v Speaker 7>on my write home from work.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 7>I just got on the air a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 7>You're talking about the death tax, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, we're talking about the state income tax. The

522
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<v Speaker 2>death tax is another matter. Massachusetts has a death tax,

523
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<v Speaker 2>a state tax, and there are some states that don't

524
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<v Speaker 2>have that. No, what we're talking about here is the

525
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<v Speaker 2>so called millionaires tax that we improved on a ballot

526
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<v Speaker 2>initiative I think by fifty two to forty eight percent

527
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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, and Bill Belichick talked about on

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<v Speaker 2>an ESPN podcast, And also there was a story in

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<v Speaker 2>the Herald today sure which talked about, look, if you're

530
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<v Speaker 2>signing a free agent player, you know, if you draft someone,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all structured in the NFL where the first choice

532
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<v Speaker 2>first round guys are going to get so much second round,

533
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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. That with the millionaires tax. We used to

534
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<v Speaker 2>have a flat tax, so everybody paid five percent. Well

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<v Speaker 2>that's bad enough. But when you have the millionaires tax

536
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<v Speaker 2>and some players are going to sign a contract, say

537
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<v Speaker 2>for you know, some superstar, we're going to grab some

538
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<v Speaker 2>superstar for twenty years, for twenty million for five years,

539
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<v Speaker 2>that's one hundred million dollars. And when you then say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>after the million, after your million dollars, which we get

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<v Speaker 2>you for five percent the ballance of your contract, that

542
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen million dollars, you're going to pay nine percent. Sure. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're that player and I'm your agent, I'm going

544
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<v Speaker 2>to say to okay, we got two offers in the table.

545
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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee wants to pay you this same amount of money

546
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<v Speaker 2>as New England. Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax.

547
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<v Speaker 2>If you sign with New England, you're going to pay

548
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<v Speaker 2>the state of Massachusetts about one point seven million dollars

549
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<v Speaker 2>that you would not pay Tennessee. You would not pay

550
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<v Speaker 2>the Miami Dolphins would pay Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It was

551
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<v Speaker 2>interesting when Brady left the Patriots, he went to a

552
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<v Speaker 2>no state income tax state and playing show off at

553
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<v Speaker 2>Tampa Bay. So the millionaires tax is not only going

554
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<v Speaker 2>to cost US people fleeing, wealthy people fleeing Massachusetts, but

555
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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be a lot of great athletes who would

556
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<v Speaker 2>love to see play for the Patriots or the Red

557
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<v Speaker 2>Sox or the Celtics or the Bruins.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to say thanks, but no thanks. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>point I'm.

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<v Speaker 7>Trying to make sure. And on top of that, you're

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<v Speaker 7>taxed upon tax I mean, you go to the grocery store,

562
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<v Speaker 7>you don't get text, but if you go out to McDonald's,

563
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<v Speaker 7>you get taxed. You guess you get taxed, and by

564
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<v Speaker 7>the time you get done, there's not much left. I

565
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<v Speaker 7>don't know how these people in life do it well.

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<v Speaker 3>I can always say that this.

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<v Speaker 2>Just remember that in Massachusetts they only tax two things,

568
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<v Speaker 2>everything that moves and anything that doesn't move.

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<v Speaker 7>They were only really well tonight, I appreciate it. I

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<v Speaker 7>just want to mention that time every time you turn

571
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<v Speaker 7>around your tax you know, no matter what you do,

572
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 7>six and a half percent sales tax on top of

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<v Speaker 7>them what you've already paid for taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely absolutely, And what it comes down to is people

575
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<v Speaker 2>like you who work for living.

576
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<v Speaker 3>Every day you get up, you go to work. It's tough.

577
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<v Speaker 2>It's tough, and there's still people out there who never

578
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<v Speaker 2>work and they're the ones who are living off the

579
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>public dole. And now we have an influx of folks

580
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 2>coming into the state who have nothing they're migrants, and

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed one of the stories today they're now just

582
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<v Speaker 2>hanging out.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have room for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But we we said to them all, we're a welcoming

585
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<v Speaker 2>state and we have a right to shelter the law.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't amend that law. And now these poor souls

587
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>are sleeping outdoors at night, which is okay. I guess

588
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in August, I don't want to be sleeping on doors

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<v Speaker 2>at night at the Quincy MBTA station, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, yeah, So this is the first year I'm

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<v Speaker 7>going to actually make a really a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm very grateful I have a job. It worked

593
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<v Speaker 7>sixty four hours a week to do it, though, you know,

594
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<v Speaker 7>and it's a lot. I have to drive to Boston

595
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 7>every day and drive home. It takes quite a bit

596
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<v Speaker 7>of time. But anyhow, now I'm going to make one

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<v Speaker 7>hundred and forty thousand dollars this year. And guess what

598
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 7>I paid last year. I was near there. I paid

599
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.680
<v Speaker 7>over thirty thousand and tax federal tax. And now I

600
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 7>make too much money. I can't even have forty thousand.

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<v Speaker 7>You're not allowed to put money into a rough ira.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they get your gain. By the way, I drove

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<v Speaker 2>into Boston today and it took me about an hour

604
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>just to get from Somerville down to Dorchester if I

605
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>had to make that commute, and that was two thirty

606
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<v Speaker 2>in the afternoon. I and by the way, you know this,

607
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see there was no accident, So it was

608
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<v Speaker 2>just the way the roads are constructed.

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<v Speaker 3>Did the big dig for twenty billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollars, and traffic still is horrible to transit through mass

611
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<v Speaker 2>through downtown Boston.

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<v Speaker 7>I know, I don't want to keep y'all. Let you go,

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks Dan, Thanks me.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciated Matthew.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was doing this every day, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>would just I would give it up. I would give

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Thanks Matthew. Okay, let me get one more

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<v Speaker 2>in here. I'm going to try real quickly before we

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<v Speaker 2>got to go to break. Tanya in Boston, Hi, Tanya,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back.

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<v Speaker 7>How are you good?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you? I'm doing great? Tell me do you do

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<v Speaker 3>you understand and do you agree with the sentiments expressed

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<v Speaker 3>by coach Belichick.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't hear what he said specifically, but I when

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<v Speaker 10>you were seated it, I understand what you're saying, and

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<v Speaker 10>I understand where he's coming from because I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 10>in the state of Taxachusetts, so you know, unless we've

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<v Speaker 10>got something way over the top over here that's going

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<v Speaker 10>to attract you players to want to say, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>here take another nine percent on top of everything else,

632
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<v Speaker 10>or another additional four percent, it doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 10>But where I do think is becoming a bigger problem

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<v Speaker 10>is if you start depleting the level of good team

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<v Speaker 10>players coming in that are strong and they can win,

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<v Speaker 10>then you're going to have people not going to the

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<v Speaker 10>games and you're not going to be bringing in more money.

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<v Speaker 10>So at the end of the day, it is my

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<v Speaker 10>understanding that if you're not filling those seats at the

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<v Speaker 10>stadiums and people aren't participating in the sport overall with everybody,

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<v Speaker 10>then the state's going to lose more money overall at

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<v Speaker 10>the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely why And.

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<v Speaker 10>I almost feel like like this is almost like a

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<v Speaker 10>punitive tax for being a good player.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is here, But the good news for the

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<v Speaker 2>player is that he could say, Hey, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>play for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm going to play for

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<v Speaker 2>the Vegas Say the Las Vegas Raiders are going to

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<v Speaker 2>go play for the Dolphins, are gonna go play for

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<v Speaker 2>the Buccaneers. There's a bunch of states that don't even

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<v Speaker 2>have a state income tax, so those teams over time

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be advantaged. And I think what Belichick

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about from the frustrations of being a coach.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're trying to win, uh for your owner,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're trying to win for your team and for

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<v Speaker 2>your job, and the tax structure in Massachusetts. Finally, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the leading you know, professional coaches has has said, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know this is going to hurt hurt our team

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<v Speaker 2>over time. And but you know, so all the all

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots fans out there realize that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a long time before the Patriots are competing in

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<v Speaker 2>a Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>I agree, because the other thing, like from a player's standpoint,

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<v Speaker 10>they got to come out here. We got a weather issue.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, it's not as bad as Buffalo. I grew

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<v Speaker 10>up in Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, I got you. Yeah, oh sure, yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's tougher to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the cold and the snow in December. But also, look,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the Patriots might decide they're going to move to

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. They are the New England Patriots, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's interesting that Belichick finally spoken up.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel I got you before the break, but I got

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<v Speaker 2>a scoot, so I'm gonna let.

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<v Speaker 3>You run for now.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for Colin for being a listener and

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<v Speaker 2>calling this program. I really appreciate your loyalty.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we get back. I got Danielle, I got Christine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got pegged. The ladies are run to rule

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<v Speaker 2>the roost here right after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get back to the call. It's got

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<v Speaker 3>my pal Danielle out a wooster. Danielle, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 3>know what you think about this. You're a sports fan too, hey, but.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't want you.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, the taxes are always.

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<v Speaker 8>Interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 11>I always, especially when I compare things to New England states.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, we've been trump no pun intended, they're trumps,

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<v Speaker 11>the tax achusets, you know, and everything else. But the

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<v Speaker 11>states that about us, mostly specifically Connecticut and New Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 11>are very guilty of a lot of other taxes that

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<v Speaker 11>blow us or out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the water.

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<v Speaker 11>New Hampshire's property taxes are probably like the third or

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<v Speaker 11>fourth highest in the country. So although they don't pay

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<v Speaker 11>income tax, you've got a really nice state that you're

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<v Speaker 11>living on. Let's take Tom Brady's mega mansion in Florida

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<v Speaker 11>and plumb get in New Hampshire. Let's just see how

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<v Speaker 11>much that's gonna cost into living there.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think that nothing is free.

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<v Speaker 11>We all know that that that you're going to get

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<v Speaker 11>it somewhere else. So I think that rather than focus on,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, what you're not going to get, let's focus

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<v Speaker 11>what you are getting. And these guys don't necessarily have

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<v Speaker 11>to the residents of Massachusetts, right, So doesn't it go

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<v Speaker 11>by you can hear me, right, No, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>If you play for the New England Patriots, if you

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<v Speaker 2>play for the New England Patriots, or you play for

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Red Sox, you will be taxed as an

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<v Speaker 2>employee of the New England Patriots.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like someone living up in New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 2>who drives across the state line every day and works

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<v Speaker 2>in Thethuan.

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<v Speaker 3>They pay Massachusetts state income tax.

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<v Speaker 7>If they're because they live here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, they live in New Hampshire and they

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<v Speaker 2>work in and they work as a whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a software engineer.

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<v Speaker 8>And then make some kind of a split though. No, no, because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Live in New Hampshire, you work in Massachusetts, you pay

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts taxes, Danielle, I hate to do this year.

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<v Speaker 3>I got two more.

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<v Speaker 11>It's fine, But I'm just saying, like sales tax, youth tax,

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<v Speaker 11>excise some of these states.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Massachusetts is still Massachusetts is taxachuss. It's called Taxachusets

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<v Speaker 2>for a reason. Okay, trust me when you break the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers down, and I've done it many times, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very expensive to state from taxes to live in.

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<v Speaker 3>Simple as that. And we don't get much. But will

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<v Speaker 3>we do? By the way, try the roads. Go go

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<v Speaker 3>to New Hampshire. See how good the roads are up

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<v Speaker 3>there compared to here. I got a scoop. I gotta scoop.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk show, all right. Let me go real quickly, Christina,

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<v Speaker 2>got you in peg. I want to give you both

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<v Speaker 2>a chance.

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<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, Christine, Okay, I agree with what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 10>Dan.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree, yeah very much.

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<v Speaker 8>It's crazy, Like I just I don't understand it all.

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<v Speaker 8>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They basically want to penalize success, and they want to

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<v Speaker 2>penalize the people who are successful, and the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are successful of the people that that go to restaurants,

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<v Speaker 2>that that that buy things, that employ other people in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're successful, you will be penalized.

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<v Speaker 10>It's absolutely crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally with you, Totally with you, Christine. Thanks for being

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<v Speaker 2>sixtinct for me here because I want to get Peg

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<v Speaker 2>in for a second. Two Okay, Okay, have a good night,

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<v Speaker 2>a good day later on.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so, I hope so PEG is in Pepperal, Peg,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to wrap it up for us.

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<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, Peg, Hi, Dan, you know, I understand numbers

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<v Speaker 8>better than I understand sports, and your call from New

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<v Speaker 8>York hit it right on the button. And one thing

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<v Speaker 8>to add to his conversation was it just shows the

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<v Speaker 8>money that's being spent from Massachusetts, what poor management we

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<v Speaker 8>have had financially over the last I don't know, twenty years, thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, got it, you know, Republicans and Democrats.

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<v Speaker 8>Peg, Absolutely, this state is becoming, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 8>live in the border of New Hampshire and the roads

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<v Speaker 8>are better, by the.

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<v Speaker 5>Way a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they have worse weather than we do peg,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to run. I'm flat out of time. Called

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<v Speaker 2>sooner and we'll do more time. Okay, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Done for the night, everybody. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob, thank you very much, Marita, thank you everybody. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be doing night side Facebook, nightside postgame on Facebook. I

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<v Speaker 2>will tell you once again on dogs, all cats, all

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<v Speaker 2>pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie Rais, who

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<v Speaker 2>passed fourteen years ago on February. It's all your pets

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<v Speaker 2>are past. They love you, you love them. I do

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<v Speaker 2>believe you'll see him again. See you again tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great Thursday, everyone,