1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,079 your support. So Tom Tellis is apparently threatening physical violence 10 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:38,719 against people. No, I'm just I haven't even heard the 11 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:42,560 clip yet, but apparently the US Trade Representative is testifying 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,119 before a Senate panel, and Tom Tellis is on that panel, 13 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:55,880 and this is Jamison Greer. Well, let's take a listen again. 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,479 Speaker 2: I haven't heard MS chairman, Ambassador grit thank you for 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,359 being here. Back in the nineties, it was in management 16 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:05,439 consulting and there was a new platform that came out 17 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:11,680 that promised to transform the business industry ERP. Some of 18 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:16,799 the early attempts at implementing the system proposed an ali 19 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:19,640 premium approach. Let's do it all at once, let's change 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,719 the plumbing out, let's get it all in, get it 21 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:23,959 done rip the band aid off. It proved to be 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,079 hugely unsuccessful. There were a lot of very visible projects, 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,920 and the industry decided there needed to be a methodical 24 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:35,120 sort of prioritization of what parts of the business needed 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,319 to perform better sooner, and how do you lay onto 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,519 that a comprehensive strategy. It looks like we've got a 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,319 novel approach here in terms of an olid prema approach. 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,040 I'm not a trade expert, and I'm not going to 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,439 question it at this point. 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: I do have a question about at the end of 31 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:50,840 the day. 32 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: The other thing in management consulting we like to focus 33 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:56,400 on is this concept of one. 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,079 Speaker 3: Throat to choke. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: In other words, when you're five only take a look 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,959 at a strategy, someone has to on it, and you 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,480 can't say that it's the president or the vice president. 38 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:08,599 So my first question to you in this scenario, the 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,960 decision maker who decided the ala prima approach, who has 40 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:16,360 obviously had to have spent time anticipating what we saw 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,159 in the markets and some of the pushback. I'm assuming 42 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:23,120 this all got gamed out, because because it's a novel approach, 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,199 it need to be thought out. Whose throat do I 44 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:26,719 get to choke if this proves. 45 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: To be wrong. 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Well, Senator, you can certainly always talk 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,560 to me, but I what are you at the tip 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,639 of the spear? Well, I'm at the tip of the spirit. 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,759 For certainly, did. 50 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: You propose the ali prema approach? 51 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: So, first of all, I would push back center just 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,479 a little bit on this. For now, we've excluded pharmaceuticals 53 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:43,159 and semiconductor. 54 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:45,159 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll let me a different good, let's get it. 55 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:48,599 Speaker 2: We've excluded US section two thirty two and three oh one. 56 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:52,400 We know particularly Section two thirty two is still an 57 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:55,560 aluminum Section three oh one is Chinese imports where there's 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,800 no other provider. I overheard you say that. Maybe I 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,919 thought I heard you say in response to another question 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,479 that for the near term there won't be any exclusions. 61 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:08,599 Is that true of China where they have said the 62 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:13,159 US is unilaterally bullying and completely groundless and they're going 63 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:13,960 to fight to the end. 64 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:17,159 Speaker 3: Are they two thirty two and three oh one. 65 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Tariffs exclusions on the shelves until we get to a. 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: Reasonable agreement with China. 67 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to answer a question that I have 68 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:26,639 several people in North Carolina asking. 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 4: So the President again is the final decision maker on 70 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:31,919 all of these things, and he has directed that they're 71 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,680 not the exclusions. 72 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,439 Speaker 2: There will not be any exclusions on steel, aluminum, or 73 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,360 any products that are only manufactured in China for the 74 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,520 foreseeable future until China determines what the end is because 75 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,159 they said they're going to fight to the end. Again, 76 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,080 I'm just trying to communicate questions that I've asked, so 77 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,680 there will be no exclusions. I won't waste your time 78 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:53,560 asking for him. That's the main reason I wanted to 79 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,479 ask the question. So again, I'm just trying to get 80 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,319 my head around the logic of an alid premium, and 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,639 I'm waiting to be I'm waiting to see it be successful. 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,680 But it just seems like we've decided to beget a trade. 83 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,159 Speaker 3: War on off fronts. And that's okay. 84 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: If the person who thought this through has an answer 85 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:19,879 for why you go after partners that we have a 86 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,600 very long story relationship with. Maybe we give some developing 87 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,439 countries a break because we're trying to actually get their 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,680 economies functioning, make them look to the West versus the 89 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Chinese investment. So it just seems like I'm getting my 90 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,879 head around the al of premum approach. I'm not condemning 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,199 it because I'm not a trade expert, but I still 92 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:42,439 at some point and I understand that you are the 93 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,319 trade rep So if you own this decision, that I'll 94 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,279 look to you to figure out if we're going to 95 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,720 be successful. If you don't own the decision, I'm just 96 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,839 trying to figure out whose throat I get to choke 97 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:55,079 if it's wrong, and who I put up on a 98 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,279 platform and thank them for the novel approach that was 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,639 successful if they're right. But here's what I'm really worried. 100 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,600 I'm not going to ask any more questions. I'm just 101 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:14,199 going to tell you every time we talked about people 102 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,360 having patients, we need to understand that the founding fathers 103 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:21,480 made damn sure that that patience. 104 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: Was never more than about fourteen months. 105 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: Really, everything that we need to do to know what 106 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,279 the political environment is going to be about next year, 107 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:30,839 it's going to be done by February of next year. 108 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,480 So in your mind, do you believe that over the 109 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,480 course of the next fourteen months we're going to have 110 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:39,160 a level of. 111 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:41,439 Speaker 3: Certainty and the people in the trailer park. 112 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: That I grew up in Who are going to bear 113 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,959 the brunt of some of these short term cost increases, 114 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:49,480 maybe some job displacement for a. 115 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: Period of time. How are they going to be feeling. 116 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: Ground in groundhog Day twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty six. 117 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,879 Speaker 3: Do we feel like the majority of this will be resolved? 118 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,439 Speaker 2: And I'll be able to think whoever thought that the 119 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,759 alu premum approach was a good idea, because that's about 120 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:07,240 the timeline we've got to work with. 121 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,519 Speaker 4: Well, Senator, these people who voted for the president is 122 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,199 the same situation I grew up, and you know that 123 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:14,040 I agree. 124 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:15,639 Speaker 2: But let me just finish here because I don't want 125 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:16,879 to get away by colleagues. 126 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:19,079 Speaker 3: I'll be sixty five in August. 127 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: Every day eleven four hundred people celebrate their sixty fifth birthday. 128 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: That's four million a year. So there, let's. 129 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:30,879 Speaker 2: Say from sixty to sixty five people that could look 130 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,319 at it their four oh one case statements. They did 131 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,560 vote for President Trump, they voted for me. I hope 132 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,600 that they will again in both cases. Well maybe the 133 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,279 president not the president, but I int tend to run 134 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:42,959 for reelection. I'm just trying to figure out if they're 135 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,120 going to feel good about this because a long term 136 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,439 play in American politics and long term play in American policy, 137 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:52,120 public policy formation is about twelve months from the beginning 138 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,360 of an administration. I wish you well, but I am skeptical, 139 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:55,839 thank you. 140 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: All Right, So he's looking, he's looking to choke somebody 141 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,959 whose throat do I get to choke? 142 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:05,759 Speaker 3: Yeah? 143 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: And that's the that is the That was the quote 144 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:13,680 that I saw associated with the clip. But what he's 145 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,399 asking is who's responsible for it? 146 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:17,079 Speaker 3: Right? 147 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,879 Speaker 1: Do you that gets the accolades if it works? And 148 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:23,959 if it doesn't, this is who is to blame? And 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,319 his like you may not like Tom Tillis, but what 150 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:29,879 he just laid out, right, there is political reality for 151 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:33,759 anybody that's running for reelection. And so there is a 152 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,079 clock running on on this effort. And I asked this 153 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,079 the other day. You know how long is the short 154 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:45,279 term pain? And nobody knows? And that is a that's 155 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:48,279 a problem, right, that's a problem when you're trying to 156 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 sell something and you're telling people to you know, stay 157 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,600 the course. This is going to be difficult, but it's 158 00:07:55,639 --> 00:07:57,639 all going to work out. But I can't tell you 159 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,959 how long it's going to take and yeah, by the way, 160 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,120 if you know your groceries and all of your cost 161 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:11,879 of living goes up, maybe you lose your job. Then 162 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:17,639 you know, just be patient, my people. That's a lot 163 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,040 to ask of people. And that's you know, to the 164 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,240 question I asked in the last hour. It's sort of like, 165 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:25,519 what is the vision that we're going for here? What 166 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,839 does what does that America look like? Is it everybody 167 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:33,840 going back to work in factories and not being able 168 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:38,279 to afford more than like one car? Yeah, I mean 169 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,879 I don't know, or maybe you think that this is 170 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,919 going to create all sorts of untold wealth, even though 171 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,600 as I mentioned last week, this is a data point 172 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:49,480 that people should keep in mind. America is the second 173 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,639 largest manufacturer on the planet, and we have monthly half 174 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:00,840 a million manufacturing jobs that are unfilled. And so why 175 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:05,399 are we so confident that Americans want to do manufacturing 176 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,399 when they're not feeling the jobs that are available right now? 177 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:16,200 They have to want the jobs, you know, for whatever reason, 178 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:19,759 I need to work because like this now brings in 179 00:09:19,799 --> 00:09:27,679 a whole different discussion about social welfare benefits, right, unemployment benefits, 180 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:31,200 people not wanting to work, right, I mean, there are 181 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,519 all sorts of other questions that now are coming in, 182 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,000 and so let me give you some other data points. 183 00:09:38,039 --> 00:09:43,480 This is from Norbert Michelle and, the vice president and 184 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,799 director of the Cato Institute's Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives, 185 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:51,840 who wrote in The Wall Street Journal that the share 186 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,279 of households earning more than one hundred thousand dollars has 187 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,240 tripled over the past fifty years. So you're talking about 188 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,879 out a share of the total households, a percentage of 189 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:08,240 all homes, of all households that has tripled, and the 190 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:13,120 share that earns less than thirty five thousand dollars that 191 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,759 has declined by twenty five percent. So you have a 192 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:23,039 lot more people moving up in the income brackets than down, 193 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,720 and you have a you have a shrinking lower class 194 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,759 lower income. For most of this period, workers in the 195 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:36,879 bottom ten percent of income distribution experienced stronger wage growth 196 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,279 than those with the higher incomes. The middle class has 197 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,440 shrunk only in the sense that former middle income earners 198 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:52,600 have moved up the income ladder. So if I were 199 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:55,519 to tell you that the middle class is shrinking, but 200 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,440 it's shrinking because more people are becoming wealthier, would that 201 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,279 necessarily be a bad thing. Would it be a bad 202 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,200 thing to have more middle class people moving into the 203 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,799 upper class or upper income brackets? Is that part of 204 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,200 a positive vision of the American future? Is that what 205 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,399 you would want to see? 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Norbert Michelle did not provide 237 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,279 that information, but being from the Cato Institute, I suspect 238 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:14,679 he's not a fan of growing the government either. But 239 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:21,399 if the upper income bracket has more and more people 240 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,240 moving into it, and you have the lower income bracket 241 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,200 losing people and the middle income bracket losing people because 242 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:40,840 they're all moving up. Isn't that the goal I had him? Oh, 243 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,559 this Edward Lawrence, I think he's with Was he with CNB, No, 244 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,120 Fox Business? He used to work down the hall here 245 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,320 at WBTV. White House Press Secretary says one hundred and 246 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,759 four percent additional tariffs went into effect at noon today 247 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,559 because China did not remove it's retaliatory tariffs. So the 248 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:06,720 one hundred and four percent additional tariff will be collected 249 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:13,759 starting tomorrow because they missed the deadline. They slapped us 250 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:16,960 with a retaliatory tariff. We told them to take it 251 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,600 off or you were going to hit you with another one. 252 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:25,080 They didn't take it off, and now the additional tariff 253 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,399 goes into effect. It is in effect as of like 254 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,759 an hour ago. So this is Look, this is one 255 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:36,559 of the things about these types of trade wars, the 256 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,480 retaliatory tariffs going back and forth, and they just they 257 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:45,919 just keep raising the costs and erecting more trade barriers 258 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:49,720 against each other. And you can think that's good. I like, 259 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:53,639 I've made my position on all of this stuff clear 260 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:55,240 in the first day. I know people don't want to 261 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,120 hear it, but It's like I grew up and came 262 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:01,440 of age. I had a time where everybody kind of 263 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,080 agreed that tariffs were inflationary, protectionist and drove up costs 264 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,200 to the end user consumer, And so we're to be avoided. Now, 265 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:14,840 if this all works out in some different way, I'm 266 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:18,240 I'm willing to let's see how it looks. I don't 267 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:21,360 know how it's gonna look, but I hope it works out, 268 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,840 because if it doesn't work out, it's gonna be pretty 269 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,320 Bad's that's my expectation. It'll be good or it'll be bad, 270 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,399 or maybe a mixture of booth. All right, if you're 271 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,200 listening to this show, you know I try to keep 272 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,000 up with all sorts of current events, and I know 273 00:15:34,039 --> 00:15:36,480 you do too, And you've probably heard me say get 274 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,440 your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how 275 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,080 you detect media bias, which is why I've been so 276 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:47,399 impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, 277 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,200 and it combines news from around the world in one place, 278 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,519 so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can 279 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,279 check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash Pete. 280 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,559 I put the link in the podcast to score too. 281 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,240 I started using ground News a few months ago and 282 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:06,000 more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate 283 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,320 because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered 284 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:12,320 and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which 285 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,240 stories get ignored by the left and the right. 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So I have no idea. 294 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:57,759 But remember yesterday we talked with Ap Dylan about the 295 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:01,480 Mark Robinson scandal and who leaked all that you know, 296 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,119 information whatever, and like the rumors that were swirling around 297 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,960 that it was one of the staffers, well and it wasn't. 298 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:14,559 But in that piece that Ap wrote, and I actually 299 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,920 saw it after the fact, I saw somebody it's forwarded 300 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,519 me the invitation to an event in Claremont, North Carolina 301 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:29,400 where Mark Robinson appeared okay, and this is in the 302 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,799 people are saying that he's now apparently like testing the 303 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:40,000 waters to get back into politics. Now, so sources who 304 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,640 attended a box car grill event in Claremont with Mark 305 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:54,039 Robinson told media write news or whoever is running this account. 306 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,599 Here's the scoop again. This is a rumor. I don't 307 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,920 know if this is true. I want that fully understood here. 308 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,240 President Trump is privately brokering a deal to recruit Congressman 309 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,319 Pat Harrigan to run in a primary against Tom Tillis 310 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,480 and then have former Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson replace Harrigan 311 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:27,559 for Robinson to run for that congressional seat. Uh A's 312 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:34,079 a bold strategy. I'll see if it works out for them. 313 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,079 I don't know about the Harrigan Tillis deal, but I 314 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:40,839 mean I I I'm not sure Robin. Maybe in a 315 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,240 solid Republican district it works right. Maybe maybe he, you know, 316 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,279 Robinson gets through a primary and then wins in the 317 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,079 general because the seat is a drawn safe seat for 318 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,480 a Republican and and maybe that's the way that shakes out. 319 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:56,240 It could. 320 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,079 Speaker 5: We'll see. 321 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: Back to this piece at the Wall Street Journal, the 322 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,240 middle class has shrunk only in the sense that former 323 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:10,039 middle income earners have moved up the income ladder. Right, 324 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,640 with consumer price index adjusted income, using nineteen sixty four 325 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,559 as the starting point, that's the first year available data 326 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:23,319 from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. You go from nineteen 327 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:29,440 sixty four through twenty fifteen, and you adjust the consumer 328 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:34,359 price index adjusted income. Okay, so this creates a sort 329 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,319 of like inflation adjusted dollars. Right, You're now able to 330 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,920 kind of look at all of the data and account 331 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,119 for the increase in prices due to the devaluation of 332 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,319 the dollar and everything else. The first year nineteen sixty 333 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,400 four through twenty fifteen, real wages grew by thirty nine 334 00:19:53,440 --> 00:20:04,759 percent using the Personal consumption Expenditures price index. China in 335 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,920 two thousand, rather with they get the trade deal opens 336 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,359 up Mexico nineteen ninety four. Right, it is true that 337 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:21,960 those trade deals had an impact. Now he minimizes those impacts. 338 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:25,200 This guy in the Wall Street Journal. He's a president, 339 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:27,640 vice president and director of the Cato Institute Center for 340 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,799 Monetary and Financial Alternatives. He says the populist story of 341 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,359 the death of US manufacturing is nonsense. He says it 342 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,519 wasn't the China deal, and it wasn't after the killed 343 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:43,119 American jobs. It's true the number of manufacturing jobs, and 344 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,480 I don't believe that. I do believe there was an impact. 345 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,960 It's true that the number of manufacturing jobs is lower 346 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,640 than it was in nineteen seventy, but that's not because 347 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,720 we can make so much more with or sorry, but 348 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,640 that's because we can make so much more with fewer 349 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:06,079 people blame technology, not trade. So I would say it's both. Again, 350 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,279 I don't have to choose either one of these factors 351 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,240 and say that's the reason. I believe it was both. 352 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,079 That when you start allowing competition right from foreign countries 353 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:20,799 that you slave labor, you're not going to be able 354 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:26,279 to compete with that. From a price perspective. Real hourly 355 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,799 output per manufacturing employee has been on an upward trend 356 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,960 since nineteen fifty nine. Now these data points, I do 357 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:40,519 believe real US manufacturing value added so the sectors. Manufacturing 358 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,440 sectors contribution to the GDP reached its highest recorded level 359 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:50,200 in twenty twenty two. Manufacturing output was close to an 360 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,799 all time high in twenty twenty two, and the US 361 00:21:53,839 --> 00:22:00,000 remained the global leader in manufacturing value added per worker 362 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,279 is one example. In nineteen eighty, one steel worker could 363 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:12,079 produce point zero eighty three tons of steel in an hour. Okay, 364 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,400 so less than a tenth of one percent of a 365 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:21,240 ton one worker per hour in nineteen eighty. Fast forward 366 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:26,079 forty years, and one steel worker can now produce one 367 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,480 point sixty seven tons in an hour, so almost two 368 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:34,680 tons per hour. That's a good thing, I think, right, 369 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,960 you become more efficient. That's what you want, right, You 370 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,839 want to be able to produce more with fewer people. 371 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,200 That keeps your costs down while providing the same number 372 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:49,759 or more output. So the assertion is, and this is 373 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:53,440 what I'm curious, what you think that Americans don't want 374 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,200 their kids to have to work punishing jobs in a 375 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,119 steel mill, and it's evident that they don't have to 376 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:05,279 do so. Is that true? Americans don't want their children 377 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,119 to have to work punishing jobs in a steel mill? 378 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,559 Is that true? Do you believe? Is that true? For you? 379 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,720 Do you believe that? Do you think that Americans want 380 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:22,119 their kids or don't want their kids to have to 381 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:29,000 work in a steel mill? American manufacturers now operate more efficiently. 382 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:33,240 They use fewer natural resources, They require less backbreaking labor, 383 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,799 they produce less pollution, and employ more highly educated people 384 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,400 than ever. No terror for trade restriction is going to 385 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,279 reverse those trends, he says, So what do you think 386 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,720 do Americans not want to have their kids go to 387 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,559 work in the steel mills? Because I kind of feel 388 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:53,519 like that is true. But that's just my that's just 389 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,799 my perception. What do you think? All right? 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It's a question 409 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:06,480 I asked because I've seen the stat that there's half 410 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,039 a million unfilled manufacturing jobs every month right now. And 411 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,599 so if the purpose is to ignite a manufacturing renaissance 412 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:23,039 in America, will Americans actually want those jobs. I'm just 413 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,359 asking the I'm just asking question. I'm curious, like, how 414 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,799 does that how does that fit into this strategy? Seven 415 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,880 four or five? Seven oh eleven, ten, Let's go to Mike. Hello, Mike, 416 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,920 welcome to the program. 417 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 6: Hey, how you doing. 418 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,559 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good. What's up? 419 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 6: All right? To give you a little bit of information. 420 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,079 In nineteen seventy I was pretty month shy of my 421 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,680 sixteenth birthday. My father put me to work in the 422 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,599 largest meal under one roof in the world, which was 423 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,920 Woodside Meal and Greenville, South Carolina owned by Dan River Mills. Well, 424 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:04,400 about nineteen seventy four were the act WU THEIA and 425 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,920 it was the Amleamated Clothing and Textile Worker Union came 426 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,160 down from up north and was trying to unionize the 427 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:18,640 textile mills around Greenville, South Carolina. JP Stevens, Dan River Mills, 428 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:24,880 and Michael Millikan Roger Milligan of Millican Meals said that 429 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,000 they would close the doors and send everything overseas before 430 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,519 they would be unionized. And another thing you're talking about 431 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:40,160 the people that won't fill the jobs today, the manufacturing jobs. 432 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,000 People will not work today like we worked when we 433 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,319 were younger, you know, like I mean, I'm seventy years 434 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,920 old now, so we grew up working. Kids now they 435 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,440 don't work. They play on video games. 436 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,839 Speaker 1: So you don't think people will take those jobs. 437 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 6: No, I absolutely know they won't. And I know I 438 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,480 have worked over the last few years. I've been retired, 439 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,839 but I have worked a lot of people from overseas 440 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,599 in South America. They'll come here and they'll work their 441 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,799 cans off for the money that we make, and they 442 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:22,160 will they'll live a lot lower than what we live, 443 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,720 so to speak, right, I think. 444 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it sounds like, this is a problem 445 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,839 if that's the strategy is to keep, is to bring 446 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,640 more manufacturing into America, but we don't have the people 447 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,079 to fill the jobs, then we have to import them 448 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,839 have the people. 449 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,799 Speaker 6: We have the people to fill the jobs, but we 450 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,079 have so many people that their mindset is I'm not 451 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,359 working my can off for fifteen dollars an hour. I 452 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,039 don't care if he was paying on forty dollars an hour, 453 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,559 they'd still be saying the same thing because people are 454 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,759 basically lazy anymore. 455 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:04,279 Speaker 1: Right, So again this sounds like a problem with the strategy. 456 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,079 Speaker 6: Well, I agree with you there to a certain extent. 457 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't know a way around it, right 458 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,559 because like I don't know because I'm I'm seeing the 459 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:16,359 same thing you're saying, and I don't see how you 460 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,440 fill the jobs if they're not being filled right now. 461 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:21,359 I see, Look, I live right near a bunch of 462 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,079 manufacturing facilities. They've all got signs out in front of 463 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,359 their buildings that say, you know, we're hiring, and they're 464 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,519 like hiring for like thirty thirty five dollars an hour, 465 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,599 no experience necessary. So like, I know what I'm going 466 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,440 to do when the day comes when they tell me 467 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,680 that I'm not welcome at WBT anymore, I'm gonna walk. 468 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,839 I'm going to walk on over to the to the plant. 469 00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,640 I'm gonna go work there if they'll have me. If 470 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,279 I you know, I don't know how old I'll be 471 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,640 at that point. They may not want me. But I 472 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,480 don't know, Like that's that's what I would do. But 473 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,920 I don't know. If I don't know if other Americans will, 474 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,119 you know, I don't know how many other Americans will. 475 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:01,559 Speaker 6: It takes in initiative, It takes drive, people that want 476 00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,720 to work, people that want to speed. We have too 477 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:09,559 many freebies and giveaways in the United States for people, 478 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,799 and people are much too easy on their children anymore. 479 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: No, I got you, Mike. I appreciate the call, buddy, 480 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,319 Thank you, Yes, sir, all right, take care. Let me 481 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,839 get to Jim. Hello, Jim, Welcome to the program. 482 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 7: Hey Pete, thanks for taking my call, sir. My grandfather, 483 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:34,519 my father, two brothers, and niece either worked or still 484 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:42,079 work at steel mill in Cleveland, Ohio. My brother Kenny 485 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000 retired as a millionaire and has a very very nice 486 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:52,279 retirement income thanks to his retirement pensions. My brother Bob, 487 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:57,440 who currently works at the same mill, makes way way 488 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:03,200 beyond one the year. Granted, he's a hard working guy 489 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,119 and works every overtime hour he can, and he lives 490 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:10,920 a life of Riley's two homes, vacations in Alaska and 491 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,759 Florida because he loves fishing. He managed to get his 492 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,279 daughter in the same mill, my niece and granddaughter. It 493 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,720 transformed her life. She has a very nice life, makes 494 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,640 a very nice income, brought her mom a brand new car. 495 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: So I but it's not about It's not about the 496 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,319 compensation levels for the manufacturing gigs. Like I've never talked 497 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,480 about the manufacturer or the compensation levels, because depending on 498 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,440 what kind of manufacturing you're doing, you're going to be 499 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:49,640 well compensated, especially modern America right now, because the high 500 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,799 tech manufacturing is really all that's that remains that you know, 501 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,759 the low tech stuff's automated, right they're not paying people 502 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,319 to do that, or the low tech stuff is probably 503 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:04,200 manufactured in in you know, China. So what you have 504 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,920 in America is this manufacturing base that is higher tech 505 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,079 and higher skilled, higher paid. But the problem I'm seeing though, 506 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,960 is that there are these half a million jobs every 507 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,119 month that are not filled. And I don't know if 508 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,359 there is going to be this cultural push to because 509 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,200 we've said the same thing about electricians, right about people 510 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,279 in the trades and those professions. You can make a 511 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,839 lot of money doing that work. But they're always looking 512 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,279 for more people in those lines of work because Americans, 513 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,960 they don't they don't take those jobs. 514 00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 7: I don't know how many openings there are at Cleveland 515 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,319 Cliffs in Cleveland, but for the kids coming out of 516 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,440 high school who doesn't want to go to college, it's 517 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,440 a fantastic opportunity to make a very nice living. 518 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you, Jim. I appreciate the call. All right, buddy, 519 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720 let me get Kathy on real quick. Hello Kathy, I 520 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960 have about half a minute, but it is all yours. 521 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 8: Okay, I'll make it real quick. First of all, I 522 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,319 love your show. 523 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,319 Speaker 1: Thank you. 524 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,039 Speaker 8: You need to run for you need to run for 525 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:13,440 off no no, yes, no, no, no quickly. I think 526 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,599 a lot of it. I see the younger generation, hopefully, 527 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,960 if I'm right, kind of waking up a little bit again, 528 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,440 if the people out there, the parents out there, say look, 529 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,000 if we really love our kids, we're going to make 530 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:29,839 them get out there and we're going to make them 531 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,759 become good people, and I think we are getting at 532 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:36,000 a point where they have to. They can't afford you 533 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,119 raise adult children. I know I can't. Yeah, And I 534 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,279 pushed mine out and said, you're done. I'm done. I 535 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:48,240 worked mine butt off, I've done my time. 536 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,079 Speaker 6: It's your turn, Kathy. 537 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,599 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate the call, Kathy. It's a 538 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,440 fair point. But I mentioned earlier the Bulldozer parents, right, 539 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,039 these are parents that cleared away all the obstacles for 540 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,519 their kids. I'm not sure they're they're going to be 541 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,759 the ones to say go work in the steel mill. 542 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,559 All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you 543 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,640 so much for listening. 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