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Speaker 4: Off MG presents an entirely different view of the world
Speaker 4: of crime, the story.
Speaker 5: Of two tough men in the struggle the survival against
Speaker 5: the largest criminal corporation in America, The Outfit.
Speaker 3: Put your hands flat on the table.
Speaker 4: Who are you, friend, Maclin?
Speaker 3: You hit a bank?
Speaker 6: You and your brother, a guy called Cody before your
Speaker 6: stretch Midwest National and Wichita Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fit owns it, so you know how it is.
Speaker 4: You hit us, we hit you.
Speaker 5: The Outfit controls business, politics, police, It affects the lives
Speaker 5: of all of us and Robert du Valles, Earl Macklin.
Speaker 5: He's being compared to Bogan and Acadney, Joe, Don Baker
Speaker 5: is Jack Cody.
Speaker 4: Together they're one.
Speaker 6: Of the most powerful teams in motion picture history.
Speaker 2: You and your damn gun.
Speaker 4: Don't ever touch this gun again, hard guy, thank you
Speaker 4: for telling you. Okay, nothing but a damned independent of
Speaker 4: high Sky. You've got no operation behind you.
Speaker 5: Machlin and Cody independent professionals who've got the guts to
Speaker 5: fight back. You will never see a more exciting story
Speaker 5: of two tough men against overwhelming odds.
Speaker 3: The good guys always win.
Speaker 4: The Outfit.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the Projection Booth t I'm your host. Mike
Speaker 7: White joined me once again as mister Jededi Airs.
Speaker 8: Go Die Elsewhere.
Speaker 7: Also back in the booth is mister Gary Phillips always
Speaker 7: a play. On this special episode, we are discussing John
Speaker 7: Flint's nineteen seventy three film The Outfit. It's an adaptation
Speaker 7: of a book by Donald Westlake, writing as Richard Stark.
Speaker 7: It was Stark's third in the Parker series. We discussed
Speaker 7: the first one on our Point Blank episode here Robert
Speaker 7: Duval plays Earl Macklin. He's just getting out of prison
Speaker 7: and find his brother's been murdered for a job they
Speaker 7: did with their friend Cody. They hit a mob bank
Speaker 7: and now the titular outfit is after them. Maclin wants
Speaker 7: the pursuit to stop, and does this with the unusual
Speaker 7: idea of hitting every unprotected outfit joint with of vulnerability.
Speaker 7: We'll be spoiling the outfit as we go along, So
Speaker 7: if you don't want anything ruined, please turn off the
Speaker 7: podcast and come back after you've seen the film. We
Speaker 7: will still be here. And lucky for you, Aero Video
Speaker 7: is releasing a new Blu ray of The Outfit, and
Speaker 7: it even features a commentary with Jedediah and me. When
Speaker 7: we recorded that though, I uh, that was still when
Speaker 7: Robert Tuval was alive, and I still feel bad that
Speaker 7: I had to point out that he was alive and
Speaker 7: then he passed away, what two weeks after we recorded
Speaker 7: that jet even.
Speaker 8: If then it was like two days after, it was
Speaker 8: really shit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I was the curse, the curse. So, Jennedi,
Speaker 7: when was the first time that you saw this film
Speaker 7: and what did you think?
Speaker 8: I saw it sometime in the too many tens. I'd
Speaker 8: been aware of it for a little while. I think
Speaker 8: somebody loaned me a copy of their like Warner Archive DBD.
Speaker 8: I didn't have cable. I know it aired on TCM
Speaker 8: or something free times, but it was hard to find.
Speaker 8: And I was really excited that someone someone gave me
Speaker 8: access to it because I'd wanted to see it for
Speaker 8: quite a while and I loved it. A few years
Speaker 8: later I got my own DVD copy and I've watched
Speaker 8: it several times since. It's always always a great, great watch,
Speaker 8: and yeah, I don't understand why it's never had a
Speaker 8: bigger audience. Hopefully this new release brings some new attention
Speaker 8: to it and it gets some wider recognition, because it
Speaker 8: definitely deserves it.
Speaker 7: And Gary, how about you?
Speaker 3: When did you see this? Must have been either the
Speaker 3: late nineties or the early aughts, and or maybe it
Speaker 3: might even be mid nineties and it was on TV.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell it was on. I
Speaker 3: mean it was like and I recall it was like
Speaker 3: an afternoon man, you know, it was like it was
Speaker 3: his way after Ben Hunter's matinee, which we had out
Speaker 3: here in LA But it was whatever it was, it
Speaker 3: was like, you know, it was like on Channel four.
Speaker 3: It was you know, full of commercials and this and that.
Speaker 3: But then finally, and this is more reached a little
Speaker 3: bit more recent, not quite as recent as last night
Speaker 3: when I watched it again on streaming on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3: It was on TCM, as as Jeed mentioned, and I
Speaker 3: hadn't seen it, you know, again, I hadn't seen it
Speaker 3: in years, and so the opportunity to watch it on
Speaker 3: TCM a few years ago, I just thought so much
Speaker 3: better of the film one because it wasn't full of
Speaker 3: commercials and it was just you know, nothing was bleeped
Speaker 3: and you could sort of watch it continuously. And then
Speaker 3: I started to sort of more appreciate, Oh, this is
Speaker 3: a bit closer to a Parker novel than quite a
Speaker 3: few of the other efforts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't see this one until probably around the
Speaker 7: same time you saw it, Gary. I was doing an
Speaker 7: article about Payback and was watching as many of the
Speaker 7: Parker adaptations as I could get my hands on, And
Speaker 7: we'll talk about some of the ones that came out
Speaker 7: after Payback. We touchd a little bit about this before
Speaker 7: Jet as far as the whole idea of who Parker is,
Speaker 7: and Parker not being Parker like. Parker wasn't able to
Speaker 7: be Parker until Jason Statham played him, which was after
Speaker 7: Donald Westlake aka Richard Stark passed away. I believe because
Speaker 7: for years he was like, nobody's playing Parker like Parker
Speaker 7: is my character. You guys can be Walker, you can
Speaker 7: be Macklin, you can be this, you can be that,
Speaker 7: And this wasn't even you know, I mentioned the whole
Speaker 7: idea of this coming up after point blank, but there
Speaker 7: were Parker adaptations before plint blank, and then there would
Speaker 7: be Parker adaptations after or I should say Stark, but
Speaker 7: Parker characters after that. And it's interesting to see how
Speaker 7: different people played Parker. But I have to say that,
Speaker 7: even though he doesn't match the image in my mind
Speaker 7: of what Parker looks like, I think that Duval plays
Speaker 7: a really good Parker.
Speaker 8: These flat to use Westlake's own own comment on it,
Speaker 8: you know, he called the whole picture flat and said
Speaker 8: that's the way he writes the books, and that's the way.
Speaker 8: You know, he was really pleased with the film for
Speaker 8: that reason, you know. I mean, you can certainly argue
Speaker 8: I wouldn't I wouldn't hold anybody preferring Point Blank as
Speaker 8: a movie or you know, one of the other adaptations,
Speaker 8: just because they all have their own flavor. But you know,
Speaker 8: west Lake, I think correctly noted that this one feels
Speaker 8: most like the books. The Point Blank is so arty
Speaker 8: and you know, kind of flashy, and and you know,
Speaker 8: I love it. It's it's a great movie, but it
Speaker 8: feels less like a Parker novel to Nathan than the
Speaker 8: Outfit does. For that that flatness that that goes to
Speaker 8: the you know, not just the camera work and and
Speaker 8: the things like the editing, but the performances as well.
Speaker 3: You're right, it's kind of fascinating when I was watching
Speaker 3: it again last night and thinking about just that very
Speaker 3: point that you know, here's Duval, who's not you know,
Speaker 3: who's physically not a big guy, you know, and yet
Speaker 3: the way he since the you know, and have that's
Speaker 3: the character and you and you write and you get
Speaker 3: this sense of I think I think, as you you
Speaker 3: point out in your in your notes to us, Mike,
Speaker 3: that you know, here's that there's that great scene where
Speaker 3: he's leaving the card game, having you know, embraced these
Speaker 3: dudes to essentially let them know, you know, I want
Speaker 3: my tour in fifty grand, like, by the way, which
Speaker 3: is perfect. Right, He's like, no sentimentality really about his
Speaker 3: dead brother, right, He's not really seeking revenge for his
Speaker 3: dead brother. He just figures, well, look, you know this
Speaker 3: is worth two hundred fifty grand. This is what you
Speaker 3: owe me, and until you pay me, by the way,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come at you. But and then that, but
Speaker 3: when he's just walking down the corridor of the Billboard hotel,
Speaker 3: I might point out and they're like, you know, you
Speaker 3: get that reminiscent of that scene of of Lee Marvin
Speaker 3: walking down that corridor at Lax and so really and
Speaker 3: just that kind of way he does it is it really?
Speaker 3: It really does give you a sense of of the
Speaker 3: no nonsense approach your Parker.
Speaker 7: This is one of the first starring roles for Duval.
Speaker 7: Up until this, he'd mostly been a supporting actor, you know,
Speaker 7: big role of course, and the Godfather his I believe
Speaker 7: the first time he had a real you know, this
Speaker 7: movie is all about me was THHX eleven thirty eight
Speaker 7: in seventy one. But unfortunately, I don't think a whole
Speaker 7: lot of people watch that movie at the time. We
Speaker 7: talked about that on an earlier episode, but here he
Speaker 7: is just kind of owning this film and doing a
Speaker 7: damn good job with it. He is so compelling, And yeah,
Speaker 7: I like that. You know, even though we are pretty
Speaker 7: close to Parker in the books, I'm trying to remember
Speaker 7: if it's it's not first person, right, it's definitely a
Speaker 7: third person.
Speaker 3: Ye close third aheah.
Speaker 7: That distance is crucial because you really should not ever
Speaker 7: know what Parker is thinking. You need to have that
Speaker 7: distance to be like, what is this guy up to?
Speaker 7: What is he about to do? We don't know, rather
Speaker 7: than being inside of his head. Plus, Parker's not a
Speaker 7: friendly guy, you know, like you're saying like he just
Speaker 7: wants his money, And that's the whole thing, even in
Speaker 7: point blank, where it's just like I just want my money,
Speaker 7: Like I don't care about any of this other stuff.
Speaker 7: Just let me have my money, let me do my thing,
Speaker 7: let me on my own. Because the whole thing we
Speaker 7: should say is that Parker in Macklin. You know, whenever
Speaker 7: I say Parker, I'm basically saying Macklin. In this movie,
Speaker 7: he is an outsider to the organization, to the outfit,
Speaker 7: and this whole idea of there are him, there are
Speaker 7: all of these other thieves that live on the outskirts,
Speaker 7: and they just want to do their business. They don't
Speaker 7: want to get involved. They just want to make their
Speaker 7: money from robberies, these things exploitation. Leave all that other
Speaker 7: stuff to the outfit. You know, we're we're just independent operators.
Speaker 7: And this whole idea of the outfit. They're so big
Speaker 7: that they have left a lot of holes. They think
Speaker 7: that they're impenetrable, so so much of this is I'm
Speaker 7: going to go back to different jobs that I and
Speaker 7: I don't know if they necessarily cover this in the
Speaker 7: movie as well. Basically, it's just like, all right, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna hit this place, I want to hit that place,
Speaker 7: I want to hit this other place. But it's all
Speaker 7: because Parker in this case knows these places are vulnerable,
Speaker 7: because the outfit is so big that they haven't thought
Speaker 7: about this, that and the other thing. Me, as a
Speaker 7: professional thief, I'm thinking things through way better than the
Speaker 7: outfit has done.
Speaker 3: Who would dare rob us? Because we are the outfit
Speaker 3: And this comes up a couple of different times. Of course,
Speaker 3: in the context of the movie. You know, do you
Speaker 3: know who we are, you know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Do you know who you're hitting here? Man? You're gonna
Speaker 3: be did in two days.
Speaker 8: Shit heel operation. He hits the place and they haven't
Speaker 8: even locked. There's no like, there's no say for the
Speaker 8: drawer isn't even locked and shit heal operation.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's it exactly in the book. It's several, right.
Speaker 3: I think it's several people that he entices to, uh
Speaker 3: these yeah, Grove Field, I think it is one of them,
Speaker 3: and several others, I believe.
Speaker 8: Right, He sends out sends out notices to all the
Speaker 8: thieves in his network, and he just says, basically, I'm
Speaker 8: going to take the heat for this. You haven't done
Speaker 8: these jobs because you know their outfit controlled and you
Speaker 8: don't want to take on the hassle of you know,
Speaker 8: dealing with the outfit. But they're after me, and I've
Speaker 8: let them know I'm going to hit them, so you know,
Speaker 8: do your worst, hit them all at once, hit them all,
Speaker 8: you know, fast as you can, and all the heat'll
Speaker 8: come at me.
Speaker 3: So that's why, you know, of.
Speaker 8: Course for the movie, it makes it's so it's better
Speaker 8: just to have Parker himself or Macklin pulling off what
Speaker 8: was his name in the I'm forgetting the Cody character's
Speaker 8: name in the novel.
Speaker 3: That's Handy McKay, right, Yeah, because he pops up pops
Speaker 3: up in a few of the books.
Speaker 7: I mean, we basically start where the movie is about
Speaker 7: what ten minutes into things like he and not an
Speaker 7: anonymous woman, but it's just a woman that he's picked up.
Speaker 7: There's no love relationship, and she comes back at the
Speaker 7: end of the book. But really it's this whole thing
Speaker 7: of he and this woman are sleeping there, somebody breaks
Speaker 7: into his room and he takes care of business and
Speaker 7: is just like, well, who.
Speaker 3: The hell ordered this hit?
Speaker 7: And at this point too in the story. This is
Speaker 7: the third book. The second book is The Man with
Speaker 7: a Getaway Face, where he has plastic surgery because he
Speaker 7: doesn't want the mob after him anymore, the outfit after
Speaker 7: him anymore so and then of course it quickly. It's
Speaker 7: funny because we just talked about the pilot for Some
Speaker 7: Like It Hot, which had almost the exact same structure
Speaker 7: to it, where it was, you know, the Jack Lemon
Speaker 7: character and the Tony Curtis character get plastic surgery. They
Speaker 7: become these other two characters, and then they're thrown almost
Speaker 7: immediately back into the mix, and by the end of
Speaker 7: the pilot their identities have been known. So the whole
Speaker 7: thing of the plastic surgery was almost for naught. And
Speaker 7: you get a little bit of that in here, where
Speaker 7: like Richard Jacobs's character doesn't recognize him. And I had
Speaker 7: to say to my wife last night, I was just like,
Speaker 7: do you know why he keeps having to say who
Speaker 7: he is to these different people is because he's had
Speaker 7: plastic surgery. He looked like Lee Marvin a few movies ago,
Speaker 7: and now he looks like this got male pattern baldness.
Speaker 7: In the meantime, I mean I can relate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all it all kind of works.
Speaker 7: But yeah, having those different thieves because so much of
Speaker 7: the book you will leave Parker and go to these
Speaker 7: chapters vignettes that they have where it's okay, now it's
Speaker 7: this thief in this city and he goes, well, I've
Speaker 7: had this job planned forever and if the opportunity ever
Speaker 7: came up, I would hit them, but I don't want
Speaker 7: to because it's the outfit. I don't want this shit
Speaker 7: coming back. I mean, great, it'll come back on Parker,
Speaker 7: fuck him, I'm good, you know, it's like the honor
Speaker 7: dishonor amongst thieves.
Speaker 3: I did reread the novel, but I did a grabbhic
Speaker 3: novel adaptation that Darwin Cook did and exactly and it
Speaker 3: starts the same way as book, which is to say right.
Speaker 3: It starts with the woman coming away, Parker hearing it,
Speaker 3: rolling off the bed as as an allah a lah that.
Speaker 3: Seen the great scene in the in the in Point
Speaker 3: Blay and actually see that scene here too, right where
Speaker 3: they come in they shoot the shoot the bed. The
Speaker 3: bed is empty, which reminds me a little bit.
Speaker 7: I think there was a similar scene as far as
Speaker 7: shooting the empty bed. I'm sure they've done that a
Speaker 7: bunch of stuff. I can think of the hobbits, you know,
Speaker 7: escaping the uh the Nasgul in the Fellowship of the Ring.
Speaker 7: But the whole thing with the empty bed reminds me.
Speaker 7: I think like the Big Combo might have had a
Speaker 7: similar thing to that. And it's it's always Parker is
Speaker 7: always one step ahead of everybody, and that's a superpower.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 7: He's smart, but he's also very relentless, like there's nothing
Speaker 7: that's going to stop him. I love in the Book
Speaker 7: of The Hunter, just that whole idea of I want
Speaker 7: what was a mal Reese's neck between my hands. I'm
Speaker 7: gonna choke the life out of this guy. I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna constantly come after him. I think I described him
Speaker 7: as like a Golam. He's kind of like the in
Speaker 7: the movie. He's kind of like keenan Win's Golam, going
Speaker 7: after what he wants to go after, going after you know,
Speaker 7: Carol O'Connor, going after this character, going after that character,
Speaker 7: until you know, at the very end he finally gets
Speaker 7: who he needs to get and then kind of fades
Speaker 7: back in the shadows kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I guess it speaks to the elliptical nature of the
Speaker 3: of the way Borman did the did the movie, which
Speaker 3: is to say he in the end doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: want the money now, right. He sort of pulls back
Speaker 3: because now he's I mean, really he accomplished his goal, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, he did everything that he needed to do
Speaker 3: to get it. He was just relentless sort of force
Speaker 3: this machine. And now here at this moment, it's almost
Speaker 3: as if well if I if I take the money, well,
Speaker 3: I you know, will I have no more purpose, right,
Speaker 3: so now I'll just yeah, I'll just pull back. I'll
Speaker 3: just go I go back, which, of course then it
Speaker 3: gets echoed in the line of Soderberg's you know the line,
Speaker 3: which is a tribute to point Mind talking about cyclical.
Speaker 7: It also is similar insofar as eventually in Point Blank,
Speaker 7: he's going after you know, who's the big boss. I
Speaker 7: have to find the big boss. I'm going to kill
Speaker 7: the big boss. This movie basically it's kind of a
Speaker 7: redo of Point Blank in The Hunter, where it's Okay,
Speaker 7: now I'm going to go after In this case, the
Speaker 7: character's name is Mailer, the Robert Ryan character, and just
Speaker 7: go after him. The one thing that they don't talk
Speaker 7: about that's in the book, which is Parker slash. Macklin
Speaker 7: reaches out to another I think it's like the second
Speaker 7: in command, and it's just like if I do this,
Speaker 7: if I take out this Mailer character, then you have
Speaker 7: to leave me alone after you come in charge. Like
Speaker 7: this is now my mission is to take this guy
Speaker 7: out like almost like forget the two hundred and fifty grant.
Speaker 7: I just need to ice this guy so that I
Speaker 7: can live in peace, because he just he just wants
Speaker 7: to rob places and not have people in his ship,
Speaker 7: which is like very admirable to me.
Speaker 3: Remember, he thinks he's gonna get the two fifty when
Speaker 3: they doublecross him and it's a trap. That's that's when
Speaker 3: he decides to take out Robert Ryan's character. But really,
Speaker 3: up until d he's if they'd have paid it the
Speaker 3: two fifty, he'd have gone away, right, he'd have gone away.
Speaker 7: And that's what they don't understand. They'd never understand that
Speaker 7: if you just pay me my money, I will be
Speaker 7: a man in my word, because he's he's very honorable
Speaker 7: in that way.
Speaker 3: That way, that's right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he does change his mind a couple of times
Speaker 8: in the books. I'm trying to remember if it was
Speaker 8: in this, this one, or but but he a couple
Speaker 8: of times he decides, not fuck it, I'm angry, I
Speaker 8: got my money and I'm gonna kill you, or you know,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna keep going. You know, I'd read several of
Speaker 8: the novels and a couple of them a couple of
Speaker 8: times before. Uh, you know, I started the year off
Speaker 8: just reading all the entire series in order, and I'd never.
Speaker 3: Done that before.
Speaker 8: But some kind of misperceptions I'd had about the character
Speaker 8: where you know, I thought that he was emotionless pretty
Speaker 8: you know, I thought he really was just this sort
Speaker 8: of sociopathic automaton, you know, just set to to take.
Speaker 8: And he in the books, you know, he doesn't speak
Speaker 8: a lot, but his his interiority is is there to
Speaker 8: a certain degree, and you understand how pissed off he
Speaker 8: gets about things and how you know he Yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean a couple of times he reels himself back in
Speaker 8: and there are sort of ebbs and flows to the series,
Speaker 8: like for this stretch of books, he's a little more
Speaker 8: this way and then he reigns it back in, and
Speaker 8: you know, and he you know, he develops a love
Speaker 8: interest that lasts for you know, a while that's in
Speaker 8: and there's some playing with the you know what what
Speaker 8: that means for for the Parker code and things like that.
Speaker 8: But he is, he is an emotional person. He is
Speaker 8: a person I should say he is. He's not as
Speaker 8: quite as cold as he presents himself. Robert Duval is
Speaker 8: recognizably human in here too. You know his I love
Speaker 8: the scene early on when the Felice Sir Landy, He's assassin,
Speaker 8: comes to shoot him and shoots the bed and mac
Speaker 8: and grabs him and Bet starts, you know, after he's
Speaker 8: really roughed him up, Bet starts begging, you know, I
Speaker 8: don't hurt him anymore. And Parker just like slams his
Speaker 8: face into the wall and he's like, you're trying to
Speaker 8: kill me. Why shouldn't I, you know, And you know,
Speaker 8: he calms down after that, tells.
Speaker 7: Him to go die elsewhere, but gives him some money.
Speaker 3: Oh, it gives him some money. I love it.
Speaker 8: Felice or Landy asked for a handkerchief, and he gives
Speaker 8: him a handkerchief to like, you know, dab the blood
Speaker 8: and pick out some of the glass out of his
Speaker 8: face with you know, you know, his angers a little
Speaker 8: bit spent at that point. But anyway, I just I
Speaker 8: appreciated reading the books so close together and realizing, oh,
Speaker 8: there are there are little you know, human uh, you know,
Speaker 8: things that might be construed as weakness of a certain
Speaker 8: kind that he feels the need to rein in. It's
Speaker 8: not it's not all natural, the coldness he has to
Speaker 8: kind of project out of fair amount.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's that series of books, those Parker books where
Speaker 7: Stark has him, you know, taking care of the little
Speaker 7: Kid for a while, and then the dog Dog right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm just kidding. The Parker books are pretty solid. Sometimes
Speaker 7: your mileage may vary, but I would say especially these
Speaker 7: first three books are really super solid.
Speaker 8: No and no cute kids, no.
Speaker 7: No dogs, no, no we we. This is not an
Speaker 7: eighties cop drama comedy type of thing. This is not
Speaker 7: Ca nine or Sidekick or any of these kind of things.
Speaker 7: This is much more in that early seventies, just really
Speaker 7: hitting it solid. I mean, there's a lot of elements
Speaker 7: of this movie that remind me of other movies. I
Speaker 7: know that John Flynn, the writer director, was friends with
Speaker 7: Walter Hill. It feels like there's a little Walter Hill
Speaker 7: Hill influenced for me. Like the picking up at the
Speaker 7: prison at the beginning reminds me a lot of The Getaway.
Speaker 7: The whole thing of Macklin, his brother and the Joe
Speaker 7: Don Baker character hitting a mob run bank and that's
Speaker 7: why they got in trouble. That's Charlie Arrett Verreck, right.
Speaker 7: I mean, we've we've seen that plot before too. And
Speaker 7: am I thinking right that this came out the same year?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, And then you've got Joe Don Baker playing a
Speaker 7: completely different character in that one, that Molly character, where
Speaker 7: he's more of a Parker. He's more of the no
Speaker 7: nonsense I just want what I want. I mean the
Speaker 7: stuff that he says to those prostitutes at the Bunny
Speaker 7: Ranch or whatever, that's really rough stuff. And meanwhile, here
Speaker 7: I just want to be friends with Joe Don Baker.
Speaker 7: He seems like the most jovial, down to earth, nice guy, like,
Speaker 7: let me come eat at your diner.
Speaker 3: Sir, exactly. He just wants to run his diner. Man,
Speaker 3: my god, I know exactly what. And in the book
Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't Handy want a bar?
Speaker 8: Doesn't he have a bar? Doesn't he get a bar?
Speaker 8: Eventually he wants the diner. His dream is to finance
Speaker 8: the diner.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have it yet.
Speaker 8: He does in the books go on to have a diner,
Speaker 8: but in the Outfit his dream is like, I want
Speaker 8: to make enough money on this run that I can
Speaker 8: I can start a diner. And he becomes a contact
Speaker 8: point for Parker later on in the books that you
Speaker 8: call Handy's diner, oh, to reach.
Speaker 3: A park Got that's right, I do call that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right, right right, you know, Rather than the diner.
Speaker 8: That's his dream in the movie, since he's already got
Speaker 8: the diner, his dream is to give up smoking.
Speaker 3: And right, that's right.
Speaker 8: You know, it's like just like in the in the books,
Speaker 8: Parker is always saying, yeah, he wants you know, his
Speaker 8: Parker's interiority is that that. Yeah, Handy said this about
Speaker 8: the diner. Before he's gonna quit. He's going to open
Speaker 8: the diner. But he always comes back to do a crime.
Speaker 8: And in this in the movie, it's the smoke, and
Speaker 8: he goes back and forth on it throughout. It's like, no,
Speaker 8: I quit smoking, Now give me a cigarette. No I
Speaker 8: quit smoking.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, you've got those great scenes in the book
Speaker 7: which are kind of mirrored here. The whole thing of
Speaker 7: the the guy who sells guns. I love that whole
Speaker 7: thing in the book, where it's was he's a private detective,
Speaker 7: so he's allowed to have like a license for two
Speaker 7: guns or two gun licenses, and so he just is
Speaker 7: constantly like swapping out these guns and selling these guns,
Speaker 7: and there's this whole like, well you have to call
Speaker 7: and say this in order to do that. It kind
Speaker 7: of reminds me again of Charlie Verick with the whole
Speaker 7: idea of the photos and like him trying to get
Speaker 7: the fake id's and stuff like this whole underground thing
Speaker 7: and the whole thing too here of who's a Magic Coyle,
Speaker 7: the Marie Windsor character where it's like magic Barr is
Speaker 7: like the kind of a haven again for the Parker character.
Speaker 3: That's to Flynn's credit, where you where Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he's transposed names and changed things around it and colapse
Speaker 3: some things, but that you again, you get that sense
Speaker 3: of Parker's world, the world that Parker in habits, and
Speaker 3: this is kind of the sort of you know, slightly
Speaker 3: above ground but mostly underground kind of world that he
Speaker 3: moves through and that clearly you know, he's comfortable in.
Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking too, it's funny. I mean
Speaker 3: it's not really here in this actually, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's in any of the films, but cially in the
Speaker 3: books there's always a return to or refrain about you know,
Speaker 3: Parker's guy cash stored in safe houses or some or
Speaker 3: someplace hidden you know, in various parts of the country.
Speaker 3: So depending on if he's on the run or if
Speaker 3: he's setting up a job here or doing something there,
Speaker 3: you know, there's always this cash around it. Then oddly enough,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess at some point he must have
Speaker 3: thought about laundering this money. But really, car Parker was
Speaker 3: all about the cash, and he would just have these
Speaker 3: sort of secret stores of cash, you know, in various
Speaker 3: parts of the country.
Speaker 8: We never really see Parker's prime in the books. Could
Speaker 8: they start with him losing everything? They start with, you know,
Speaker 8: he's lost his relationship, his identity is burned. He's always
Speaker 8: looking back on, well, this is the way things were.
Speaker 8: I always had all this, you know, this network of things.
Speaker 8: But now I can't access this cash because it's under
Speaker 8: a safety deposit box with an identity that's been burned,
Speaker 8: and I can't use it anymore. And so I've got it,
Speaker 8: you know, And so there's all we get these this
Speaker 8: very interesting portrait, pretty pretty well worked out portrait throughout
Speaker 8: the series of what's Parker like at his you know how,
Speaker 8: when things are working right as they should be for him,
Speaker 8: what's it like, what's his life like it? You know,
Speaker 8: it's it's pretty orderly. But then, of course, you know,
Speaker 8: the fun of the movies is to then disrupt that
Speaker 8: and you know, make him, make him either break break
Speaker 8: some rules, do some things that he wouldn't do if
Speaker 8: he were if everything's working the way it's you know,
Speaker 8: it should be. That's part of the pleasures is we
Speaker 8: get both. We get to understand that, yeah, this should
Speaker 8: all be working very well for him, but but things
Speaker 8: are not.
Speaker 3: Is it the Stathum movie where what was the steady girlfriend?
Speaker 3: Was it Carol anyway? Those those the steady woman, right,
Speaker 3: and she kind of like just apparently I don't know,
Speaker 3: we never know much about her life. But they had
Speaker 3: a house somewhere I don't know. Was it upstate New York,
Speaker 3: somewhere right in the woods and some of there was
Speaker 3: a lake.
Speaker 8: In the books, it's like New Jersey and in the
Speaker 8: in the movie the States of the movie, I think
Speaker 8: it was Louisiana or something like that. It was, it
Speaker 8: was elsewhere, but yeah, it was a little little removed
Speaker 8: from the big city right.
Speaker 3: Where at times Park will just sort of go there
Speaker 3: to be human right in between but in between the
Speaker 3: being called back or working up some other new job. Yet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because the Bet character, the Karen Black character, is
Speaker 7: wholesale created for this one. Like I said, the he's
Speaker 7: sleeping with that woman at the beginning of the book,
Speaker 7: she ends up I think, stealing his gun, and then
Speaker 7: she comes back later on in the book, I think
Speaker 7: to set up the next book basically, and Bet is
Speaker 7: the really just added to this story. It's interesting the
Speaker 7: whole thing of the cigar burns on her arm or
Speaker 7: cigarette burns, and it's like, I don't think that Parker
Speaker 7: would really give a shit about this woman having had
Speaker 7: cigarette burns on her arm. Meanwhile, here it's more like
Speaker 7: a he becomes more like the knight Errant. It becomes like, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm going to start this whole thing because this guy,
Speaker 7: Jake Minner has called for my death. Who is this guy?
Speaker 7: I'm going to go track him down. I'm going to
Speaker 7: figure out what that was going on, because there's always
Speaker 7: the next guy up the chain, and that's what Parker
Speaker 7: knows is there's always the next guy, the next guy,
Speaker 7: the next guy. And having Timothy Carey play Jake Minner,
Speaker 7: I mean, I fucking love Timothy Carey. And it's such
Speaker 7: a smart thing. You mentioned Robert Ryan, we mentioned Marie Windsor.
Speaker 7: This is this great thing that Flynn does is he's
Speaker 7: pulling back in like older character actors, especially from these
Speaker 7: films noir where it's like, Okay, here's Jane Gear, He's
Speaker 7: here's Henry Jones, here's elijahka Junior shows up for a second.
Speaker 7: I mean it's it's great and I love I mean
Speaker 7: Timothy Carrey. Oh, he just lights up the screen every
Speaker 7: single time, that whole thing of like when he comes in,
Speaker 7: he's uh, Macklin comes in and he's just like, yeah,
Speaker 7: give it to Mena or whatever, and they're like.
Speaker 8: How did you how'd they know who you were?
Speaker 3: Jake is like, well, he didn't know it until you
Speaker 3: said it, asshole. That asshole is so.
Speaker 7: Good making mistake friend, you know, why not go with
Speaker 7: this game?
Speaker 8: Collect the wallets and the bills on the table, get
Speaker 8: miner's first.
Speaker 3: How come he knows you're Jacob? He does, now, asshole?
Speaker 3: I kept winning that that big battle between because they
Speaker 3: were both big guys, you know, between Jodahn Baker's Cody
Speaker 3: and and uh and and and Timothy Carrey. Man, I'm
Speaker 3: sure at some point they must have had something like
Speaker 3: that in the script mecause that would have just been
Speaker 3: that would have been fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that Flynn did a really good job when
Speaker 7: it comes to this. You talked before Gary as far
Speaker 7: as like condensing things, expanding things, making references, pulling some
Speaker 7: stuff out of here there and the other place, and yeah,
Speaker 7: just a very very solid story, you know. And he
Speaker 7: does try to humanize Parker by the whole thing of like, well,
Speaker 7: my brother got killed and oh yeah, Bett's arm got burned,
Speaker 7: whereas like Parker doesn't need any of that stuff. He's
Speaker 7: just like, I just want my money. Oh you're trying
Speaker 7: to double cross me. Okay, now I'm going to kill
Speaker 7: you as simple as that. I don't need any motivations
Speaker 7: other than money and justice basically. But Flynn definitely, you know,
Speaker 7: he knew what he was doing when it came to this,
Speaker 7: and I have to say solid direction. I love a
Speaker 7: lot of these shots. I love especially when before, right
Speaker 7: before he finally sees men, or the Timothy care of character,
Speaker 7: that wonderful shot of he is going down the hallway,
Speaker 7: Maclin's going down this hallway and there's a guard outside
Speaker 7: of a door, and that whole thing. And I love
Speaker 7: when they go out onto the fire escape and you've
Speaker 7: got that great low angle looking up at those guys
Speaker 7: and then that great down angle where you see his
Speaker 7: sunglasses fall. I'm just like This is really nice.
Speaker 3: Roy Jason as the guard. He's in all these kind
Speaker 3: of flicks and it always like the muscle guy. It
Speaker 3: was a great He had a great part in One
Speaker 3: of the heart It was one of the Harper movies
Speaker 3: that Paul Newman made. I want to say it was
Speaker 3: the first one. It was the first one. He's kind
Speaker 3: of kind of a more expanded part, but you know
Speaker 3: again like sort of the tough guy, enforcer guy that
Speaker 3: eventually has a tangle with Harper. Yeah, or well Archie
Speaker 3: or Harper again again the name thing, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and just his.
Speaker 7: Whole thing of like, hey, I got a bad ear,
Speaker 7: you know, can you hit me over here? And I'm
Speaker 7: glad you know, Macklin does that, respects him and knocks
Speaker 7: him out the right way. The whole thing of like
Speaker 7: you aren't getting paid enough to care about this stuff,
Speaker 7: and the guy is just like, yeah, no, you're right,
Speaker 7: You're absolutely right. I'm not getting paid enough to care.
Speaker 8: The quick assent to Maclin's superiority in that you know
Speaker 8: thing that that that communicates to Maclin that this guy's
Speaker 8: a professional, he knows he's beat. He's not a hot
Speaker 8: heead who's gonna fight me here, you know, and and
Speaker 8: they can talk like professionals, and he knows, he knows
Speaker 8: he's got a you know, a bludgeoning coming, so he
Speaker 8: just ask ask a little favor. Hey, do it this
Speaker 8: way please, And you know, it's really what is so
Speaker 8: you know, whether you're talking about con Man movies or
Speaker 8: these sort of workaday thieve movies, and even when you're
Speaker 8: talking about mafia movies, what you know, what what we
Speaker 8: really want as an audience, I think, is to see
Speaker 8: to feel like we understand how this works. You know,
Speaker 8: we're the square world. We understand that there's another strata
Speaker 8: to our existence, and we want to feel like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I understand. You know, I don't live I don't live
Speaker 8: in that world, but I understand it. And and the
Speaker 8: way that I mean, if you're if you're doing like
Speaker 8: like John Wick uh makes these very sort of baroque
Speaker 8: presentation of of what the criminal underworld is like. And
Speaker 8: it's it's very arch and it's stylized and and you know,
Speaker 8: nobody thinks that's really how it happens, but it's it's
Speaker 8: a big part of the appeal of those of those films.
Speaker 8: Something like this really rounds off the edges a lot
Speaker 8: where it seems it seems pretty believable, you know, which
Speaker 8: I don't. I don't know that it really does operate
Speaker 8: anything like this. But as a as a as a
Speaker 8: movie watcher, I definitely feel pretty street wise when I
Speaker 8: come out of.
Speaker 3: Like, I know what that's like. Yeah, but you're making
Speaker 3: a great point there, Ja what you just say. You know,
Speaker 3: there's no you know, fantastic acrobatic stuff. There's no you
Speaker 3: know know, you know, spinning through the air, shooting the gun,
Speaker 3: you know, three on sixty, none of you know that,
Speaker 3: You're right, it's there's none of that stuff. Man, It's
Speaker 3: it's very very down to earth, is very much you know,
Speaker 3: grounded in in in in our world, and you do
Speaker 3: definitely get a sense of like, uh yeah, this is
Speaker 3: like this is he's got. You know, Parker is the
Speaker 3: kind of blue collar guy, you know, in a in
Speaker 3: a certain sense right that that he doesn't I mean,
Speaker 3: he would be the kind of guy in another world
Speaker 3: or in another mindset, you know, goes to the factory
Speaker 3: and goes home and you know, drinks of beer and
Speaker 3: goes to sleep watching football games or basketball games. But
Speaker 3: but that's but that's that kind of sensibility of this
Speaker 3: is my job, and I'm going to do this job
Speaker 3: the best way I know how, and and and you
Speaker 3: you just sort of get that sense of that again,
Speaker 3: that single mindy is that ruthlessness that he has to
Speaker 3: bring because it's the nature of the work. But it's not,
Speaker 3: it's not it's not designed to be this fantastic realm.
Speaker 3: Not to say there's nothing wrong with shouldn't brow style,
Speaker 3: but that's not what this is.
Speaker 8: Even the say that the Continental Hotel and the John
Speaker 8: Wick movies, you know, where the everything's set up to
Speaker 8: like Madge's Place is that in this movie, you know,
Speaker 8: but it's it's it's much more believable. It's less they're
Speaker 8: they're the same function. Basically, there's this neutral ground where
Speaker 8: thieves can come and do their business and you know,
Speaker 8: be it's like a cop bar, except it's it's a
Speaker 8: thief bar, you know, like I understand people here and
Speaker 8: in the books, Madge's Place also does square business, but
Speaker 8: you know, she's always got stuff set apart, set aside
Speaker 8: for you know, for professionals to come in and have this.
Speaker 8: You know, they can set up meetings there and they
Speaker 8: can talk business and they can pass communications, whereas you know,
Speaker 8: it's so arch in something like the John Wick series,
Speaker 8: you know, which is fun, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 8: But but this is you know, this definitely feels like,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, no, this these places probably something like this
Speaker 8: probably exists, and it's probably kind of close to this,
Speaker 8: and the aim as the gun salesman and you know,
Speaker 8: things like that are and especially Richard Jacoles get away,
Speaker 8: you know, his his car, his driver guy, so so much,
Speaker 8: so much fun too. Yeah again, I watched this movie
Speaker 8: and then I think, yeah, I know how things work.
Speaker 7: Well, it's very similar to the way the Tarantino approaches
Speaker 7: things by like normalizing everything. You know, these two hit
Speaker 7: men having a conversation about you know, royal with cheese
Speaker 7: or you know, talking about foot massages, those kind of things,
Speaker 7: and in here you've got that kind of like, you know,
Speaker 7: just here's how the conversations work, and we're much more
Speaker 7: workaday guys kind of things. And I know Tarantino loves
Speaker 7: this movie. This was in Cinema Speculation, that book that
Speaker 7: he wrote, which was really tough for me to read
Speaker 7: just because he goes off on so many tangents all
Speaker 7: the time. I finally like, I went through. I copied
Speaker 7: that whole chapter and I cut out all the bullshit
Speaker 7: basically and just like made it about the outfit. I
Speaker 7: cut it down probably by five pages. I didn't correct
Speaker 7: all the errors because there were a ton of those
Speaker 7: as well, a ton of ra Yeah, he's making references
Speaker 7: to stuff that just doesn't exist and stuff. You think
Speaker 7: about that line from Reservoir Dogs, you know, like talking
Speaker 7: about a manager. You know, like you got to break
Speaker 7: that sort of a bitch in too. If you want
Speaker 7: to know something you won't tell you, cut off a
Speaker 7: one of it, cut off one of his fingers, the
Speaker 7: little one. Then I'll tell them the thumbs next, and
Speaker 7: after that, I'll tell you if you wears Ladies underwear.
Speaker 7: That's so similar to this where you've got the takeoff
Speaker 7: his shoes. We're gonna start cutting toes, you know, I
Speaker 7: just don't think Tarantino wants to violate toes and feet whatsoever.
Speaker 7: It's it's much easier to make it the hand.
Speaker 3: We also circle back to, you know, obviously a more
Speaker 3: linnar and that kind of you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: and that kind of you know, straightforward workaday approach to
Speaker 3: to to the gangster like right to to what these
Speaker 3: to what do these professionals do? Now, obviously his characters
Speaker 3: tend to be a bit more quirky uh and and
Speaker 3: off kilter, but nonetheless there is that there is that
Speaker 3: kind of uh to use just termin it, kind of
Speaker 3: this this flatness, but not not in the sense that
Speaker 3: it's flat as a totally, but more flat like the
Speaker 3: way these characters do their business, wave these the way
Speaker 3: these criminals are criminals.
Speaker 7: Speaking of it, kind of like the Bet character. The
Speaker 7: women in this movie are interesting, especially the Joe who
Speaker 7: is a Joan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she really she really needed a bigger media because
Speaker 3: she's I've seen her in stuff where she's just dynamite mad,
Speaker 3: where she just got you know, just got kind of fortunately, guy,
Speaker 3: you know, there's there's really not much all those odd
Speaker 3: by the way as we talk about it. I mean,
Speaker 3: first of all, but I did like her d her
Speaker 3: her white suit. That was pretty cool. I thought, well,
Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting, you know, but you could have
Speaker 3: really made something of that, I thought. But anyway, but
Speaker 3: it is also interesting that the.
Speaker 9: Bet character runs over the two gunzels and then but
Speaker 9: but then, but then she seems to be freaked out
Speaker 9: about having done that. Right, so about you know, it's like, well,
Speaker 9: I don't want to really do this in.
Speaker 3: Your world, Maclan, I really don't. This is not what
Speaker 3: I want to do.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go back to dam I want to make
Speaker 7: her dad.
Speaker 3: I'm going back home.
Speaker 7: Well, good for you, she's dead.
Speaker 3: Well I know, I'm sorry. Oh, damn it, damn it,
Speaker 3: damn it.
Speaker 7: To compare Mailer's wife in the book to the Joe
Speaker 7: Cassidy character here Rita, I mean, the one in the
Speaker 7: book is just like, I live in this beautiful house.
Speaker 7: I've got, you know, all of the stuff that I need.
Speaker 7: My husband occasionally comes home, but it's really almost better
Speaker 7: when he isn't here, just because he's always mad about things.
Speaker 7: And in this it's like, you know, like I really
Speaker 7: feel for Rita. This whole thing is like I just want,
Speaker 7: you know, I like horses. I want to know this.
Speaker 7: I don't want a fucking football game on the TV.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: It's just she's so angry about things. And yeah, it's
Speaker 7: just that she's a fascinating character. And yeah, in that suit,
Speaker 7: she just looks so tight.
Speaker 3: In that suit exactly exactly. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 3: not for nothing, another another reference that were that were
Speaker 3: because because they never really say they were in LA
Speaker 3: or so like California. But you know, I take it
Speaker 3: some of the seeds are shot out in the San
Speaker 3: Geo Valley and certainly some seeds are very specific LA.
Speaker 3: Robert Ryan's character is listening to a Rams game. So
Speaker 3: so there you go twice, yes, two different. You're right,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 8: And yeah, didn't Jim Brown Robert Rams game in the split?
Speaker 8: Wasn't that so?
Speaker 3: And he was? And he was he was McCain, He
Speaker 3: was McCain in that one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Gary, I've got a question for you, as both
Speaker 8: a Parker guy and an l A guy, I'm curious why,
Speaker 8: if you have any insight to why they moved location
Speaker 8: of both point you know, point blank, both the Hunter
Speaker 8: and the Outfit from New York, Yeah, and East Coast
Speaker 8: settings to l A.
Speaker 10: And how how does that change anything? Do you think
Speaker 10: it's funny? I thought about that. I mean, I don't
Speaker 10: know why. Maybe was it a budget concerned although plenty
Speaker 10: of films are being shot in New York in those days, right,
Speaker 10: I mean even now, but certainly crime films were shot there.
Speaker 3: Now now was it?
Speaker 4: Now? Was it?
Speaker 3: Because both by the way, both are are uh MGM
Speaker 3: film right, both the Metro gold Mayor and they both
Speaker 3: have the same I noticed the same typeface, uh for
Speaker 3: the movies from both movies when they when they start.
Speaker 3: And certainly that also meant and I was just you know,
Speaker 3: doing a little be dive into it where you know,
Speaker 3: some of the stubble hell shot on on the back lot,
Speaker 3: which is which was here, which is still here? Uh
Speaker 3: So maybe I don't know, Maybe maybe it was all
Speaker 3: a budgetary concern, and and and and and and and
Speaker 3: there was that or was it the notion that you
Speaker 3: know or there there is more of the artistic notion
Speaker 3: that well, is l A the city of the future
Speaker 3: or or is New York two overused? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it is it isn't think about that that they
Speaker 3: that they transposed transported both those stories, uh both those
Speaker 3: adaptations you know, to to l A and now being
Speaker 3: an l A guy, I mean, I I dig it
Speaker 3: and and uh and I like the idea that you
Speaker 3: see these this other city, right, this other world that
Speaker 3: that this character exists in. Although I do have the
Speaker 3: I always had the feeling, I think with both those characters,
Speaker 3: you have the feeling both Macklin and Parker that they're not.
Speaker 3: They're just in LA because this is where the trail
Speaker 3: is taken them. This is where the hunt has brought them.
Speaker 3: But they're not necessarily one way or the other about
Speaker 3: the city, right, They're not. It's just something they exist in.
Speaker 3: So you can certainly see those guys as both guys
Speaker 3: starting in the east or wherever it is that we
Speaker 3: see that Maclin is in the prison and and and
Speaker 3: and where will we think that although I guess it's
Speaker 3: to uh, the Walker character of the Marvin's version, he
Speaker 3: is working on the docks, so maybe that is still
Speaker 3: a kind of a West coast thing. All it could
Speaker 3: be East coast anyway, but that you but still you
Speaker 3: get a sense that they're just sort of moving through
Speaker 3: these through this city. LA is the same as any
Speaker 3: other city in the sense that I got to know
Speaker 3: the train and I got to operate in it. But
Speaker 3: that but yeah, although certainly what I think, I guess
Speaker 3: it's better defined. You're you're right that it is better defined.
Speaker 3: I think in in uh, in the outfit that Macklin,
Speaker 3: while he doesn't call on you know, grow Field the
Speaker 3: others like he does in the book, but you do
Speaker 3: get a sense that he does have a more of
Speaker 3: a network that he operates in, whereas definitely you get
Speaker 3: the sense that Walker is is somehow you know, is
Speaker 3: this outsider, that he that that that maybe he has
Speaker 3: some kind of shady pass because clearly maw Reice wantson
Speaker 3: for for this job, not just to set them up,
Speaker 3: but knows that he's capable and maybe maybe maybe in
Speaker 3: that version of Walker had done it been a fief
Speaker 3: and now he you know, does a straight job, and
Speaker 3: now he's been called back into the criminal life. But
Speaker 3: you certainly get more of a sense that Walker is
Speaker 3: just Walker, right, that he's just sort of by himself.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean there's you know, Angie Diggis's character,
Speaker 3: but that's because he you know, he sort of pulls
Speaker 3: her in. But you don't really get a sense of
Speaker 3: any kind of network that he's operating in or that
Speaker 3: he knows that he you know, deals with these other people,
Speaker 3: Whereas you definitely get it more of something that with
Speaker 3: the Alpha, which has been more reflective of you know,
Speaker 3: of the books. Yeah, well I just.
Speaker 8: Struck me both with both, and I guess you could
Speaker 8: put the split in there too, though, you know, being
Speaker 8: a Jim Brown vehicle makes sense to put it in
Speaker 8: l A, I think, but.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like that Mayam's connection.
Speaker 7: Yeah, isn't the Parker movie with Stathum. Isn't that Florida?
Speaker 8: I want to say, Yeah, I think it's it's basically
Speaker 8: Gulf Coast, It's Florida, It's Louis Louisiana. I think Texas.
Speaker 3: Is a racetrack in Texas, or because he winds up
Speaker 3: in Florida, right, because he's running them to Florida, doesn't.
Speaker 7: He Yeah, it's very sunny.
Speaker 8: Should be Ohio or something like that. It's like a Iowa,
Speaker 8: you know, some some some cornpall.
Speaker 3: Little Prime. Yeah. And then the whole thing with with
Speaker 3: the the Jennifer Lopez. I know we should go down
Speaker 3: that rabbit hole.
Speaker 11: But man, come on, I never quite never never anyway,
Speaker 11: you couldn't think I'm a fan. I'm a I'm a
Speaker 11: real fan of the movie. Having read the series.
Speaker 8: I mean, I like the movie alright, but reading the
Speaker 8: series and then uh, you know, I also watched all
Speaker 8: the films that I could, and yeah, you know, you
Speaker 8: may not.
Speaker 3: People may not.
Speaker 8: Care for the latter Parker novels as much. As the
Speaker 8: earlier ones. But as far as faithfulness to the book
Speaker 8: that Chason Statham Parker movie is, that's real.
Speaker 3: Close to Okay, the book it was it was fire book.
Speaker 8: It was it was flash fire. So they had uh yeah,
Speaker 8: they all like the first it was all those those
Speaker 8: compound words where the second part of the word was
Speaker 8: the first part of the next.
Speaker 3: The next title was like it was like.
Speaker 8: Flash fire, fire, break break out out.
Speaker 3: Something, you know.
Speaker 8: It was uh yeah, but anyway, Flash flash Fires was
Speaker 8: a fun a fun book. And and the yeah, I
Speaker 8: gotta I'll put my I'll you know, sacrifice my my
Speaker 8: Parker credentials by saying I like, I like the Jason
Speaker 8: state at the movie.
Speaker 7: I I haven't seen this one yet, but you'd like
Speaker 7: to play dirty as well?
Speaker 8: Correct I do, I did, I I've I've liked it
Speaker 8: quite a bit. Now, I'd say that's definitely a that's
Speaker 8: the Shane Black fan and me coming coming out more
Speaker 8: more than the Parkers thing. But I will say as
Speaker 8: a is A definitely, it's it's a pretty admirable uh
Speaker 8: you know, it's similar to kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang, where
Speaker 8: he's just pulling all these references from all sorts of
Speaker 8: pulp fiction. He's doing the same thing in Play Dirty,
Speaker 8: except all the references are coming from Parker novels and
Speaker 8: the Grove Field novel.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 8: Really interesting, interesting experiment that I understand purists are not
Speaker 8: happy with, and I don't you know, you don't have
Speaker 8: to be, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I like Shane Black too much, not too well.
Speaker 7: It's interesting that Parker doesn't speak a whole lot, and meanwhile,
Speaker 7: Shane Black, for me, it's all about the dialogue. So
Speaker 7: it must be an interesting marriage. And especially I mean,
Speaker 7: love him or hate him, but Marky Mark Mark Wahlberg,
Speaker 7: you know, sometimes not the best actor in the world.
Speaker 7: Sometimes he's fantastic. I think a lot of it has
Speaker 7: to do with the director that he's working with, and
Speaker 7: I would be curious to see how he handles some
Speaker 7: of Shane Black's dialogue or if it just sounds unnatural
Speaker 7: in his mouth. Have me on the Play Dirty episode
Speaker 7: and we can talk about I'll see if I can
Speaker 7: get Shane Black back. It's funny that Joe Don Baker
Speaker 7: doesn't join like we see him doing his solo stuff,
Speaker 7: and he doesn't even join up with Robert Duvall until
Speaker 7: forty minutes into this film, and then when they're together.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is one of those friendships and movies
Speaker 7: where you're just like, fuck, yeah, I want to be
Speaker 7: with these guys. I want to be Karen Black in
Speaker 7: the backseat hanging out with these guys, just listening to
Speaker 7: them bullshit and talk and they just that's the some
Speaker 7: of the times that you see Robert Duval actually having
Speaker 7: fun and cracking a smile, and Joe Don Baker.
Speaker 8: Is just so.
Speaker 7: He's just so delightful in this and when he spoilers
Speaker 7: when he gets shot towards the end, you're just like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 7: like this guy. I love him so much. I don't
Speaker 7: want anything bad to happen to him. I love his
Speaker 7: whole thing. When you mentioned the Richard Jaco part when
Speaker 7: they're out buying that car and who is at Schari
Speaker 7: North is coming on to him, who just is such
Speaker 7: a dish in this movie, and just him just like
Speaker 7: totally ignoring her, and then like the whole like you know,
Speaker 7: when when she's accusing him of raping her, they're just like, ah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: another complication, What the hell are we going to do?
Speaker 7: And I really like Jacob being like, yeah, she offered
Speaker 7: it up to me a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Too, So bastard, you took it, you took it, you
Speaker 3: cook it.
Speaker 8: She does the exact same thing in a couple of
Speaker 8: years later and Tom Grys's Breakout the Charles Bronson movie,
Speaker 8: except that it's not her idea in that one. It's
Speaker 8: Bronson's idea. Is she's she's supposed to throw a wrench
Speaker 8: into you know, be a distraction for his operation, and she's,
Speaker 8: you know, he's he's like, you know, she's like, what
Speaker 8: do you want me to do? And she is, you
Speaker 8: just have to jump out of a car and you'll rape,
Speaker 8: you know, and all.
Speaker 3: And so that's great right away, isn't it all? He's
Speaker 3: breaking out of the prison.
Speaker 8: It's devall.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, he's the helicopter pilot breaking the
Speaker 9: ball out of there.
Speaker 3: You go. That's a fun movie. Yeah yeah yeah. Was
Speaker 3: that was that done? SEAgel?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I wasn't done, seag Tom grees gr right, so sure, sure, sure, yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, nothing guys, brother, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, right, right, that's great. That's a great of a movie,
Speaker 3: that's right, which was based on a real story, right
Speaker 3: the guy did? Yeah, I believe so that the actually
Speaker 3: incident where they now has been done several times, but
Speaker 3: I mean in real life has been done several times.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he used the helicopter to break this guy
Speaker 3: out of the prison. Yeah yeah, land it right in
Speaker 3: the yard. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7: There was a documentary I was just watching about uh
Speaker 7: American skyjacker I think it was called and that that
Speaker 7: was the real life thing where this They're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: we're going to pay your girlfriend to learn how to
Speaker 7: fly a helicopter and break you out of this prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's shit, that's perfect. That's right there, you go, there,
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 7: Didn't work out so well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, nothing visured, nothing gain, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, it seemed like a good idea on paper.
Speaker 8: She could make a career out of doing that, doing
Speaker 8: that role. As far as I'm concerned, I'd watch every
Speaker 8: one of those movies based on these two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, as long as she's got that tight black sweater
Speaker 7: that she's wearing.
Speaker 8: Poor girl's bathrobe is wet too, and that's you want
Speaker 8: to dry her off.
Speaker 7: I do like because of the California setting that this
Speaker 7: is so much in sunlight. You know, That's one of
Speaker 7: the things I think about New York is just more
Speaker 7: of like the griminess, the overcastness and everything, and here
Speaker 7: everything is just out in the light. Like the whole
Speaker 7: thing with the horses and the little exchange that Duvall
Speaker 7: and Robert Ryan have. Again that kind of reminds me
Speaker 7: of Charlie Verrick. It reminds me of when John Vernon
Speaker 7: is just like, you know, they're going to go to
Speaker 7: work with you with a blow fortunate pair of players,
Speaker 7: and you know, I think he's sitting on a fence
Speaker 7: with like horses behind him and stuff. Very similar type
Speaker 7: of set. But and then that great idea of like
Speaker 7: the the stuff that goes on, you know, like okay, ye,
Speaker 7: I'm going to pay your money and all that, and
Speaker 7: then meeting in the men's mission and just having all
Speaker 7: of the church themes. I think Jed you pointed out
Speaker 7: a lot of like the holy the church stuff that
Speaker 7: goes on in this movie.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's some parallels given to organized religion and
Speaker 8: the organized crime and how how the Macklin is outside
Speaker 8: of that, he doesn't belong to an organization. And you know,
Speaker 8: there's there's a couple of different times in the film,
Speaker 8: like at the beginning where Felice or Landy and and
Speaker 8: Tom Reese playing the hit men coming after him. Uh well,
Speaker 8: at the very beginning, Reese is dressed as a priest.
Speaker 3: That's right right back of the cab. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And then uh, and then when Orlandi comes after Maclin
Speaker 8: he before he goes in, he you know, he does
Speaker 8: a sign of the Cross before the door and.
Speaker 3: Please please let me get killed God, where I go
Speaker 3: inside to kill somebody else, right right?
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, and then setting it up at the mission
Speaker 8: with all the all the guys, uh you know who
Speaker 8: Just look, it's the most cheerless looking group singing this hymn.
Speaker 3: You know, I think those are the real deal. I
Speaker 3: don't think those guys were from Central Casting, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we just shoot this thing here. By the way,
Speaker 3: I would be remissed having gone, like I said, a
Speaker 3: little bit down the rabbit hole after watching it last night.
Speaker 3: The guy, the white haired guy who makes the delivery
Speaker 3: in the in the mission, which is the setup, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, the mighty supposed to be in the in
Speaker 3: the pick. That guy I'm gonna mispronounce his name, but
Speaker 3: I wrote it down is Paul King g E n
Speaker 3: g e and he his most famous role. He was
Speaker 3: a character act. His most famous role was the shotgunner
Speaker 3: along with Bill Bill Hickman, the real real deal stunt driver,
Speaker 3: the two killers in Bullet Yeah, and.
Speaker 8: It's for Felice or Landy.
Speaker 3: They shoot.
Speaker 12: That's right, yes, exactly exactly, and Robert Duval plays the
Speaker 12: camp draund the camp right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: And let's and uh the scene where uh you were
Speaker 3: just mentioning it, Mike, the scene where uh Duvall goes
Speaker 3: into the bar, but it's during your day. He's looking
Speaker 3: for I think he's looking for he's looking to Brace.
Speaker 3: I guess it's Vincent or wherever. Anyway, whoever he's looking
Speaker 3: at Brace right. He eventually, you know, goes in the
Speaker 3: back there to do that. There's a woman playing the
Speaker 3: piano and singing as he comes in, and in fact
Speaker 3: there's a spotlight on her. That's jazz singer Anita O'Day,
Speaker 3: who actually had appeared in films in the fifties and
Speaker 3: will go on to peer in other fields. And at
Speaker 3: that point, though, according to my deep dive, she was
Speaker 3: just sort of coming out of a period of addiction
Speaker 3: and it was struck you know, had gone through it
Speaker 3: and made it to the other side, and and and
Speaker 3: somehow or another for whatever reason why maybe Flynn new
Speaker 3: her I don't know, but she they give her that.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's not credited at all. There's no real
Speaker 3: there's no close up on her. But that's that's her singing,
Speaker 3: singing and playing a piano. Yeah, So there you go,
Speaker 3: talking about music.
Speaker 7: I love the Jerry Fielding scored for this and they
Speaker 7: use it so smartly, Like there are certain points where
Speaker 7: it just really comes in as bombastic, and then there
Speaker 7: are huge swaths of this movie where there's no music whatsoever.
Speaker 7: They use it very judiciously. And then you know, gosh,
Speaker 7: if you're looking for connections to other movies, I mean,
Speaker 7: Fielding just did so many, including The Getaway, which I
Speaker 7: mentioned before. And yeah, and this is a great great
Speaker 7: that's right.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that. Yeah, man, I can't remember.
Speaker 7: Who did the score for Point Blank. And I want
Speaker 7: to say that I just downloaded like a combination of
Speaker 7: Point Blank and the Outfit soundtrack, but it might have
Speaker 7: been different.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was him, No, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: Oliver Nelson. I thought there was some kind of a
Speaker 3: bit of electronica right in the in the in the
Speaker 3: point blank score, all right, right, sort of early that
Speaker 3: version of whatever it was then. But I've seen recall that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, of course, I'm thinking of that guy in
Speaker 7: the club screaming that the African American gentleman is just
Speaker 7: like yeah, and then you got the white guys trying
Speaker 7: to repeat him and everything. It's like, this isn't Colin response,
Speaker 7: Just settle down. Yeah, this whole movie, I mean, it's
Speaker 7: it's just it's steeped in the nineteen seventies. I love
Speaker 7: all the wood paneling that's there. I love that so
Speaker 7: much of this seems like it was shot on location,
Speaker 7: even when I imagine our sets, you know, it just
Speaker 7: looks really legit. You know, like the robbery of the
Speaker 7: One office, I mean, Godwin Jodahn Baker comes in and
Speaker 7: just punches that woman in the face. It's just like,
Speaker 7: holy shit. But like that whole office looks legit. The
Speaker 7: bar that you're talking about, where they don't even like
Speaker 7: lock the filing cabinet, like all of these places, like
Speaker 7: there's a real earthiness to every single one of them.
Speaker 7: The heist at the casino where they go in, I mean,
Speaker 7: that sequence in the book takes so much and talking
Speaker 7: about the whole idea of the bathroom that leads into
Speaker 7: the cash room and these guys that are running the
Speaker 7: cash room. I love that, and I love that they
Speaker 7: He's so faithful to that. John Flynn is very, very
Speaker 7: faithful when it comes to a lot of these robberies.
Speaker 7: I think there's really only like maybe one or two
Speaker 7: that he doesn't represent in this film, including the one which, yeah,
Speaker 7: the whole idea of like the guy who gets this
Speaker 7: money and he puts it in a jacket, he flies
Speaker 7: to another place, he's changes jackets with a guy and
Speaker 7: then flies back like that one's missing here, but a
Speaker 7: lot of this other stuff.
Speaker 3: Somebody's in the jacket, that's right, the money jacket, that's right,
Speaker 3: that's right. And Darwin Cook uses that in the in
Speaker 3: the Grabbing novel version. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Love those Darwin Cook novels.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: He oh that art style of his was just beautiful.
Speaker 3: Oh oh boy, it was great.
Speaker 7: And I could tell what a fan he was of these,
Speaker 7: you know, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, no, absolutely yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: And they and they get society, w did the did
Speaker 3: the the Grabbing novels, but they republished The Hunter for
Speaker 3: the first time in hardback, and then they had Cook.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: He just did some single ils for the for the
Speaker 3: hardback version of A Hunter, Yeah, which I got that,
Speaker 3: which is really just it's just nice to have it,
Speaker 3: because you know, it was a paperback original. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess all the Parkers were until till
Speaker 3: he came back, right.
Speaker 8: Last yeah, eight, last eight, and I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: after Butcher's Moon, after Butcher's Moon.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, that's right, that's right after Butcher's Moon.
Speaker 7: But I don't remember where I gave.
Speaker 3: Up with the Parker books.
Speaker 7: I remember reading those for racially when I was younger,
Speaker 7: and I think it was somewhere around like the gold
Speaker 7: Coin Score or something like that. I don't think I
Speaker 7: made it that far into stuff, but those first three
Speaker 7: were just killer, and I think there's audio versions style
Speaker 7: available of all of them. I might start listening to
Speaker 7: those just because the one of the outfit, the narrator
Speaker 7: of that was really solid and just did a great
Speaker 7: job with it, because again, you have to capture that
Speaker 7: toughness in your voice without you know, exaggerating and sounding
Speaker 7: like a cartoon character.
Speaker 8: One thing I thought I was interesting on this. I
Speaker 8: rewatched it last night. I hadn't picked up on it before.
Speaker 8: There's only, I believe, only two dogs in the film.
Speaker 8: One is named Soldier and the other Judge. It's both
Speaker 8: criminals who own the dogs, and they call them Soldier
Speaker 8: and Judge.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's Eddie, his brothers Eddie's.
Speaker 8: Eddie's dog is Soldier. And then Sharie North's You're Richard
Speaker 8: Jakob and their their dog's name is Judge. And yeah,
Speaker 8: just something about these, you know, criminals having having these
Speaker 8: you know, faithful servants or you know whatever, who are
Speaker 8: you know, they're useful, but they're you know, definitely below
Speaker 8: them and naming them, you know, after public servants is
Speaker 8: is kind of I don't know, it's I don't know
Speaker 8: if that was intentional, like as a theme. I figure,
Speaker 8: if you know, if Robert Ryan had a had a
Speaker 8: dog named Captain or something like that, it would it
Speaker 8: would really have have nailed that home. But with just
Speaker 8: two examples, I'm not really sure what to make of it.
Speaker 3: And isn't and by the way, in the book, is
Speaker 3: it isn't Ryan's character. Isn't Ry's character named Bronson. Yes,
Speaker 3: it is is bronon right and brought to the point,
Speaker 3: Bronson's a carryover from the first from right and fair
Speaker 3: facts right, and Fairfax.
Speaker 7: Is there as well. Yeah, yeah, Fairfax. What William Devane
Speaker 7: in uh Payback?
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 7: The William Devaine connection with Flynn's next film with Rolling
Speaker 7: Thunder Holy Ship, What a movie with that one too?
Speaker 7: And talk about male friendship, you know, the Tommy Lee
Speaker 7: Jones William Devaine connection.
Speaker 3: There, speaking of a soldier, I got a mission for you.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're talking about the older character actors and stuff
Speaker 7: because I I think Flynd originally wanted I can't remember
Speaker 7: if he said this to Shocks and him. I think
Speaker 7: he did that. He wanted older actors to play this cast,
Speaker 7: like the main cast, like Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, Yeah,
Speaker 7: Angie Dickinson, which would be another point blank connection. I
Speaker 7: think that Joe, Donna and Duval are perfectly cast in this,
Speaker 7: but almost because Lancaster and Douglas are still very viable.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I could definitely see Burt Lancaster as as Maclin
Speaker 3: Parker character. Absolutely absolutely, Yeah, well, you could definitely see.
Speaker 7: That having Robert Ryan and poor Robert Ryan. I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know how much longer he lived after this,
Speaker 7: but he just looks so gaunt this one.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 8: I forget what the other one, but this is one
Speaker 8: of his final two roles, and he was he was
Speaker 8: dead before this was least.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, my goodness, oh my god.
Speaker 7: And this is what five years after the Wild Bunch?
Speaker 3: So right, yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8: Wow, Okay, Wild Bunch was sixty nine.
Speaker 3: Maybe this was sixty yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 7: I couldn't remember.
Speaker 3: I want to say sixty nine. I'm pretty sure sixty nine.
Speaker 3: Man he was when he was, you know, younger cat man.
Speaker 3: Oh man, when he he was he was terrific.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 7: That face, yeah, face that he has just catches the
Speaker 7: lights so great.
Speaker 3: And he was, I mean, and he was unredeemed. And
Speaker 3: the Odds against Tomorrow, right.
Speaker 8: Which Flynn worked on, Yeah, Flynn worked on Odds against Tomorrow.
Speaker 8: He was an assistant to like Richard Fleischer. Yeah, so
Speaker 8: I guess that's probably where he met Robert Ryan.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean Odds against Tomorrow work says Now,
Speaker 8: I have not read the novel that that was based on,
Speaker 8: but it's it definitely Parker esque, you know, and you
Speaker 8: know preceeds Parker, but you know, as far as movies
Speaker 8: that could be Parker movies that aren't coming from Parker books,
Speaker 8: I'd put that in that company.
Speaker 7: Gary you mentioned at the beginning, just like how tough
Speaker 7: this one was to see for a while. And yeah,
Speaker 7: Jed you mentioned the Wonner Archives disc, like that was
Speaker 7: it for a long time, Like I had the VHS,
Speaker 7: you have the Warner Archives disc. And it's just like
Speaker 7: finally with Erro bringing this out in a proper release,
Speaker 7: and like I was so glad to see how many
Speaker 7: special features there are on this and how many great
Speaker 7: people are like their names are alongside or our names
Speaker 7: are alongside theirs, I should say, and just like wow,
Speaker 7: fucking finally because like going back and doing the research,
Speaker 7: like people didn't really care for this movie when it
Speaker 7: came out, like Richard Camby's like, uh, doesn't attempt to
Speaker 7: do anything except for past the time, you know. The
Speaker 7: Washington Post said that it was a lugubrious, derivative thriller.
Speaker 7: The San Francisco Examiner said it was a had dismal direction.
Speaker 7: Journal News that it was new heights of ineptitude, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 7: they were just slamming this like crazy, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't see this being a problem.
Speaker 3: What's like, that's so that's really kind of amazing, is it?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it? Did they expect something different from Duval? Or
Speaker 3: you know, did they want to epic like the god
Speaker 3: you know what I mean as interesting? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Well, and the posters at the time, like they were
Speaker 7: selling this picture in the right way that you know.
Speaker 7: I especially love the one poster image I think it
Speaker 7: might be Italian where it's the shot of Robert Duval
Speaker 7: shooting Timothy Carey in the hand. I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: this is what I want, you know, like, this isn't
Speaker 7: selling me anything apart from what this movie is. And
Speaker 7: I fucking love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was kind of cold on it the very first
Speaker 7: time I saw it, just because it does take its time.
Speaker 7: But now it's like kind of in my fifties, I'm
Speaker 7: just like, yeah, oh yeah, this is exactly what I want.
Speaker 7: I don't know if in nineteen seventy three how I
Speaker 7: would have felt about the joke in the freeze frame ending,
Speaker 7: but which I love that they end with a freeze frame.
Speaker 7: Talk about a seventy staple. It's great and I love that,
Speaker 7: you know, Joe Don Baker is okay, is well enough
Speaker 7: to joke around at the end.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to think about like the critic's reaction to
Speaker 3: this at the time. Well, and then you know, things
Speaker 3: that are happening in the world and toward the end
Speaker 3: of the Vietnam War, et cetera, et cetera. So I
Speaker 3: don't know maybe all that's in the mix liked and
Speaker 3: how they perceive this kind of film. And again, I think,
Speaker 3: as you pointed out in the notes, Mike, that you know,
Speaker 3: if you show Parker, you know, Parker's not a likable guy,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, He's not you know, he's
Speaker 3: you know, you gotta you can't. It's kind of you
Speaker 3: got to warm up the Parker, but only at a distance,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not the kind of
Speaker 3: guy you know, you go to invite a war from dinner,
Speaker 3: not he would show up, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's so it is you know, so it's that
Speaker 3: cat unless you know it's gonna rob you. But but
Speaker 3: there's not, you know, So maybe that's part of it,
Speaker 3: because because you you do humanize this character is certainly
Speaker 3: mackl is stainly more humanized in a certain way than Parker,
Speaker 3: but it is still that feeling of that that kind
Speaker 3: of dry, that kind of dimensional one dimensional flicking in
Speaker 3: a certain way. But also he thinks three dimensionly into
Speaker 3: how you plan these things, but but going toward that goal,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's part of it, maybe because you can't
Speaker 3: you can't really it is, it isn't. It's kind of
Speaker 3: a buddy picture, but it's not really a buddy Pitcher
Speaker 3: And maybe that's part of it. Might that that baked
Speaker 3: into this is the is the Parker DNA? And maybe
Speaker 3: that's somewhat you know, off putting to at least at
Speaker 3: that time, to to to critics.
Speaker 7: You know, well, and the last time that Parker had
Speaker 7: been on screen was five years earlier with the Split,
Speaker 7: And by seventy two we're starting to get the funnier
Speaker 7: Westlake stuff, I mean, with like Dortmunder and the Hot
Speaker 7: Rock or some robbers. I mean, the year after this,
Speaker 7: the Bank Shot would come out, which ironically had Joanna
Speaker 7: Cassidy in it. And then I didn't know that Weslake
Speaker 7: created Supertrain. Do you guys remember that? Oh my god, no,
Speaker 7: it was yeah kid, yeah, okay, you remember this show
Speaker 7: where was basically like a train going from stations. It
Speaker 7: was like The Love Boat, but on a train. And
Speaker 7: I've only seen webin episode and that episode I watched
Speaker 7: because Timothy Carey was in it.
Speaker 3: I'm digging up, I'm digging up Supertrain. That's great, that
Speaker 3: is hilarious, that is perfect.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know if people just weren't ready
Speaker 7: for that, And I don't know like what kind of
Speaker 7: weight Duval was caring at this point. Like I said,
Speaker 7: he had just done The Godfather the year before, and
Speaker 7: even with that, there's a lot of humor to Tom.
Speaker 7: You know that when he meets with the studio executive
Speaker 7: and it's just like, you know, call him a guinea
Speaker 7: and a wop and he's just like, I'm Dutch Irish
Speaker 7: and he's like, all right, my crowd MC friend. Like
Speaker 7: you see almost like a little smile on Deval's face,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, all right, yeah, Tom Hagen doesn't take
Speaker 7: any shit, but you know, he does have a little
Speaker 7: bit of a sense of hem. He's probably the most
Speaker 7: reasonable of the brothers.
Speaker 8: He was James Gray, the director who was saying them, well,
Speaker 8: Maybe it may or may not have been James Grave,
Speaker 8: some some recent director talking about the best you know what,
Speaker 8: maybe it was Christopher McQuary. I'm gonna say Christopher McQuary,
Speaker 8: uh talking about Duval, you know, being what's the best,
Speaker 8: what's the greatest of all performance? And you know, everybody
Speaker 8: wants to say, oh, it's it's apocalypse. Now it's you know,
Speaker 8: Charlie don't surf and you don't get this. He said, No,
Speaker 8: the best Duvall performance is Tom Hagen is the very
Speaker 8: the very soft spoken fan because because Duval himself is
Speaker 8: this kind of explosive, larger than life presence. He said
Speaker 8: that that, Yeah, when he's really really dialed down and
Speaker 8: kind of quiet, and like, that's that's the you know,
Speaker 8: Duvalls really tamping down a whole lot to get there.
Speaker 8: That's that's quite a performance.
Speaker 7: So now, kay, I can't take that letter because in
Speaker 7: the court of law it could be shown that I
Speaker 7: know where Michael's whereabouts are. Yeah, he's just so calm
Speaker 7: about all that has to have a drink before he
Speaker 7: can go up and tell his down about the son
Speaker 7: being killed. Yeah, jenmen, is there anything else we want
Speaker 7: to talk about? The outfit.
Speaker 8: I'm specifically trying not to retreat too much of the
Speaker 8: commentary just.
Speaker 3: For the no.
Speaker 7: I think we've we've hit a good, good balance here.
Speaker 3: I guess we spoiled it for some who We're going
Speaker 3: to listen to this and then hopefully others who took
Speaker 3: your advice, Mike and turned off off in the beginning
Speaker 3: and then go watch it they come back.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, yeah, no, if you, if you listen
Speaker 7: to this and and we ruined it for you, sorry,
Speaker 7: but yeah, I warned.
Speaker 3: You exactly does that's right? I told you, I told you.
Speaker 3: All I want is my goddamn money. I don't understand
Speaker 3: the problem there, really.
Speaker 7: I can't tell it to you anything, can I tell
Speaker 7: you any simple?
Speaker 3: I mean really?
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, hopefully this is now going to get a
Speaker 7: reappraisal and other people will be able to enjoy this
Speaker 7: as much as we did, because this is a fun one,
Speaker 7: you know, and and it definitely for me in the
Speaker 7: Parker Cannon, it's definitely up towards the top. You know,
Speaker 7: I've I've seen quite a few, not every single one
Speaker 7: of them. There are still some that I haven't tracked
Speaker 7: down or you know, well you.
Speaker 3: Mentioned another French one that I had. I knew about
Speaker 3: the Goddard thing, but I didn't know about this other
Speaker 3: one you mentioned, which Oh yeah, yeah I've seen that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's pretty good.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I found it on some you know, Russian
Speaker 8: Warrens or something like that.
Speaker 3: But I have the hud Ford. I have the hood Ford.
Speaker 7: Okay, Gary, I can hook you up. I'll send you
Speaker 7: a link to it and subtitle file and everything.
Speaker 3: Son, And I say that as somebody who saw slagh Ground,
Speaker 3: and I defire you to tell me what really what
Speaker 3: that movie is about. But that's that's probably that's that's
Speaker 3: the subject of a whole nother kind.
Speaker 7: I love how open Stark is or Westlake is when
Speaker 7: it comes to his own adaptations. Just like nope, nope.
Speaker 8: Constantine, the the actor who played who played the Parker
Speaker 8: character in Misasak. Yeah, he's a good he's a you know,
Speaker 8: just a you recognize him from other French crime films especially,
Speaker 8: but you know, just a very he looks formidable.
Speaker 3: Oh, very good. All good, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I really need to watch it. I can't remember
Speaker 7: what the story was with that, but I think I
Speaker 7: was the one that uploaded it to a torrent site
Speaker 7: with the hopes of it actually getting subtitled, and then
Speaker 7: some somebody subtitled it for us, so freaking fantastic. So
Speaker 7: fan subs, are you know a Blessing from Heaven?
Speaker 8: There's a film credited.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you're talking about the man with the Getaway Face.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I can't find hide Her Hair of it anywhere.
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's credited to to Westlake as an adaptation. Yeah,
Speaker 8: both on IMDb and the letterboxed but I yeah, I
Speaker 8: can't find it. It's from nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: So my goodness, is that right?
Speaker 13: And it's it's it looks like a Spanish language adaptation,
Speaker 13: but like, yeah, when I caught up how a space
Speaker 13: to Spain?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll be damn really, but I can't find anything.
Speaker 8: Have never never been able to find that one. Then,
Speaker 8: you know, to the point where I wonder if it
Speaker 8: was even finished, you know, like maybe it was something
Speaker 8: that was started and shot but but never released or
Speaker 8: for some reason. But yeah, it would definitely be interested
Speaker 8: in credit.
Speaker 3: I mean, so it's not not totally a bootleg production or.
Speaker 7: I mean it's on IMDb, which doesn't can't really be
Speaker 7: trusted for a lot. But there is a there's a
Speaker 7: wonderful website people need to check out called the Violent
Speaker 7: World of Parker. It's just Violent Worldoparker dot com and
Speaker 7: Trent that runs that site. He does his due diligence.
Speaker 7: So what he was saying is, what are the possibilities here.
Speaker 7: Here's what I see as them. The movie likely has
Speaker 7: nothing to do The movie has nothing to do with
Speaker 7: the man with the get a fake get away face.
Speaker 7: This isn't over zealous IMDb editor scenario. That's probably most likely. Uh,
Speaker 7: and he just like lists off all of his things.
Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, but you know he's He's who
Speaker 7: I worked with when it came to Misasak and trying
Speaker 7: to get that subtitled. But yeah, I highly recommend that
Speaker 7: if people enjoy Parker, enjoy our conversation, definitely check out
Speaker 7: Violent World of Parker because yeah, he keeps up on
Speaker 7: this stuff too, which is great. It's not a dead site.
Speaker 7: You know, he actually is writing about play dirty and things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't notice that, that's right, that's point.
Speaker 7: I love his passion. I mean, any anybody who's that
Speaker 7: obsessive about stuff like me, I yeah, please keep it up.
Speaker 8: Should definitely. I would point people to another Parker site too,
Speaker 8: called the Tough Business. I don't know if you know
Speaker 8: this site. It's it's newer, it's not quite as exhaustive
Speaker 8: as that one, but it's run by a couple of women,
Speaker 8: Alyssa and Shay. I don't I'm not sure what their
Speaker 8: last names are, but they they've got a bunch of
Speaker 8: cool artwork. They're going to be featured in this arrow
Speaker 8: release as well, so wonderful. Nice check them out. But
Speaker 8: they've got a Yeah, they've got a site called Tough Business,
Speaker 8: a Parker site.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Looks really good. Well,
Speaker 7: I'm glad you know, all these years later and we're
Speaker 7: still talking about Parker. It's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for joining me on this discussion
Speaker 7: of the outfit. I really appreciate this. So Gary, I
Speaker 7: know you've got a new book coming out the hall,
Speaker 7: but I do want to thank you for sending me
Speaker 7: three bullet Opera recently. Was really niceing a very familiar name.
Speaker 3: In that with doctor Mabusa showing up. But so yeah,
Speaker 3: just a quick blatant self promotion dropping I guess dropping
Speaker 3: when when people hear this episode. I have a heist
Speaker 3: novel called The Hall coming out, and you will see
Speaker 3: in the book where I've been inspired. My character O'Connor,
Speaker 3: who I've used a couple of times before, is definitely
Speaker 3: inspired by Parker and and and the his uh misadventures.
Speaker 3: UH And I freely acknowledged this, and I say it,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna it's gonna be in print. In the book,
Speaker 3: I riff on two of the Parker novels, in particularly
Speaker 3: one we brought up earlier, the Split, which was the
Speaker 3: seventh UH. And in the book, they rob a uh,
Speaker 3: they'll rob a pro game, they rob a college game.
Speaker 3: But it's the same setup. It's a it's a stadium
Speaker 3: where they that they're robbing. And in Deadly Edge, I
Speaker 3: think uh Westlok like the idea so much. And Deadly Edge,
Speaker 3: they're on the roof of an old arena and they're
Speaker 3: cutting through the roof during this rock concerence going on
Speaker 3: and again the same set of where they're gonna rob
Speaker 3: the box office. So in the Hall, it's modern day,
Speaker 3: so there's really no box office to rob because you
Speaker 3: know everybody uses credit card and Benmo et cetera. But uh,
Speaker 3: two folks out here in the Southland, they'll they'll recognize
Speaker 3: who are modeling this on. There's a tech bro who
Speaker 3: owns a pro basketball team and he's built them a
Speaker 3: new arena in Inglewood, which is the city next door
Speaker 3: to are my City, LA. And at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the in the bottom of the arena is one of
Speaker 3: his hidden swank bunkers. Because it because all the all
Speaker 3: the one percent of the one percent are all into
Speaker 3: these really fancy, well laid out bunkers, you know, waiting
Speaker 3: for the collapse of society or the zombie, a pockets
Speaker 3: or whatever it is the hell they're waiting for. But
Speaker 3: through some insider information, i'llah, like a Parker novel, O'Connor,
Speaker 3: a symbols, a small type crew and they're going to
Speaker 3: rob the bunker during the opening ceremonies.
Speaker 7: Sounds fantastic. I can't wait to read it. I always
Speaker 7: enjoy your stuf, Gret.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Where's the best place for people to keep up with
Speaker 7: you and your stuff?
Speaker 3: I actually have a website that somewhat is kept up
Speaker 3: because my wife is the tech person. It's just Gdphillips
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 7: And jeded Die what's going on with you lately?
Speaker 8: You can find me on this Errow Outfit release and
Speaker 8: a couple other releases coming up that I'm excited to
Speaker 8: be part of. But yeah, you can find me at
Speaker 8: the Blue skuy is the only social media right now.
Speaker 7: Well, and I follow you on Letterbox. It's always fun
Speaker 7: seeing just how many frickin' movies do you watch?
Speaker 3: Sir.
Speaker 8: If I got a superpower, I guess that that'd be it, right,
Speaker 8: And you know, I don't watch good movies mostly it's
Speaker 8: mostly trash.
Speaker 7: You watch a lot of stuff that I'm just like, ooh,
Speaker 7: I want to check that out. So I appreciate your
Speaker 7: Letterbox for sure. Well, thank you so much guys for
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