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Speaker 3: object every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified
Speaker 3: flying object.
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're
Speaker 2: all doing good this week. I'm Nick Canta and this
Speaker 2: is the UFO Chronicles podcast. This episode, we're in the
Speaker 2: state of Utah in the US to meet viewer and
Speaker 2: he has some strange encounters he's going to be sharing
Speaker 2: with us tonight, including a spirit encounter at a hospital,
Speaker 2: a visit at his house from the Black Eyed Kids,
Speaker 2: and experiences while going door to door doing his missionary
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks, good to be here.
Speaker 2: It is great to have you with us today and
Speaker 2: your calling from the state of Utah in the United States. Correct,
Speaker 2: can you tell us something about Utah that people may
Speaker 2: not know.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Well, I don't think crazy in particular.
Speaker 1: I guess everybody knows. This was settled by pioneers from
Speaker 1: the Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter day Saints, back
Speaker 1: in the mid eighteen hundreds, back in the days of
Speaker 1: ox pulled wagons and such when they were fleeing religious persecution.
Speaker 1: But I guess you know, people actually come here from
Speaker 1: all around the world to enjoy all the amazing national
Speaker 1: parks we have and all the beautiful red rock formations
Speaker 1: and arches and such. We've always been pretty famous for
Speaker 1: our snow skiing. We've just heard that we're charted to
Speaker 1: be hosting the Winter Olympics for the second time here
Speaker 1: and sometime I think in the ten years. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great place. I feel like skiing and snowboarding
Speaker 1: and outdoor type stuff. Not so famous if you like
Speaker 1: to go out drinking at night. We have I guess,
Speaker 1: less friendly laws around the sale of alcohol and such
Speaker 1: that people find appalling. I was working in a grocery
Speaker 1: store as a young man one day and stocking the
Speaker 1: shelves with something, and some type of construction crew or
Speaker 1: landscaping crew came in and the guy said, Hey, where's
Speaker 1: your beer? And I just looked him rd the face
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, we don't sell beer. He's like,
Speaker 1: you don't sell beer. You got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: And I guess that was just something that the owners
Speaker 1: of the grocery store had decided they would do because
Speaker 1: of being religious and stuff. But yeah, it is a
Speaker 1: beautiful place.
Speaker 2: But yeah, wonderful. And it's also known as the bee.
Speaker 1: Hive State, correct I was, I guess supposed to be
Speaker 1: in relation to how industrious the people were who who
Speaker 1: settled the state back in the old days.
Speaker 2: So yeah, interesting stuff. I always like to learn a
Speaker 2: little bit about each state. Wonderful. Okay, now, view that
Speaker 2: you've got some experiences you're going to be sharing with us,
Speaker 2: would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Sure? All right. So I have a few, but so
Speaker 1: I guess the first one I had was back approximately
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. It could have been nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: I was either way, I was three or four years old,
Speaker 1: and this is different than most of the other stores
Speaker 1: I've heard, But anyway, I was playing around with some
Speaker 1: change I had found in my mother's purse and there's
Speaker 1: a good handful of it. I stuck it all in
Speaker 1: my mouth for some reason and was I must have
Speaker 1: tasted terrible. But I was just kind of moving all
Speaker 1: these coins around my mouth, and I accidentally swallowed one
Speaker 1: of the coins, and it was terribly painful. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever accidentally swallowed an ice cube or
Speaker 1: something while you were having a drink, and how awkward
Speaker 1: and painful that can be. Gulping that down it was.
Speaker 1: I guess it was comparable to that. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: I was crying and coughing and choking and all this
Speaker 1: fun stuff, and so my dad ended up taking me
Speaker 1: to the emergency room at the hospital, and they were
Speaker 1: going to do some procedure called pumping my stomach, which
Speaker 1: I don't believe they do much of anymore, if they
Speaker 1: do it at all. I guess how they do the
Speaker 1: procedure is beside the point. But anyway, I remember my
Speaker 1: dad was leading me back to the procedure room or
Speaker 1: they were going to do this thing, and there was
Speaker 1: a man sitting on the counter dressed kind of roughly,
Speaker 1: such as a construction worker would be dressed, and he
Speaker 1: as he saw me walking back there, he started to
Speaker 1: make fun of me. He started saying, Oh, look, my
Speaker 1: name is so and so, and I swallowed a penny.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, poor me, boo hoo, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was pretty alarmed that I was being teased
Speaker 1: whatever by this guy. And so I asked my dad,
Speaker 1: who is that guy, you know? And how does he
Speaker 1: know my name? And why is he being so mean
Speaker 1: to me? And my dad had absolutely no clue who
Speaker 1: I was talking about. So I believe that was probably
Speaker 1: one of my earliest experiences with a spirit that I
Speaker 1: know of. My second and third experience, let's skip ahead
Speaker 1: to about two thousand and two. I was on a
Speaker 1: proselyting mission for the Church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints,
Speaker 1: and I was in a mission area that covered southeast
Speaker 1: Texas and the southwestern part of Louisiana. I was in
Speaker 1: this city was called Pasadena, and were my companion and
Speaker 1: I were living in an apartment complex. It was actually
Speaker 1: pretty nice, it was. And when I say nice, I
Speaker 1: just mean that the folks lived there were, you know,
Speaker 1: typically what you'd consider to be pretty decent people that
Speaker 1: weren't up to anything, stady or stuff like that. Did
Speaker 1: I say we lived on a second story. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so this one night, it was getting close to what
Speaker 1: was bedtime for us, and there was somebody at the door,
Speaker 1: and so I went and answered the door, and there
Speaker 1: were these two filthy little girls. They I'll just say,
Speaker 1: they were like way overdue for a shower, as far
Speaker 1: as I could tell it by sight. And they I
Speaker 1: think they're the Between the two of them, they were
Speaker 1: both between the ages of four and seven at the most.
Speaker 1: And they asked if they could come into our apartment
Speaker 1: for some reason, and I was already starting to tell
Speaker 1: them no, they couldn't, and you know, such things were
Speaker 1: against the rules for US missionaries. And they started to
Speaker 1: behave rather erratically, and I had noticed all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't noticed immediately because it was so
Speaker 1: dark outside and the glaring porch light we had on,
Speaker 1: I realized both of these little girls had completely black eyeballs,
Speaker 1: like there was no noticeable like whites of their eyes
Speaker 1: and such, and I just had this terrible feeling. I
Speaker 1: commanded them to leave in the name of of Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ and shut the door, and they were gone in
Speaker 1: a flash that was pretty shaking. I don't it seemed
Speaker 1: like there's some type of demons or something, and I
Speaker 1: guess I've since read about such things, and I guess
Speaker 1: supposedly you're screwed once they get in your house, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the whole vampire thing, supposedly, where
Speaker 1: you have to invite them in or let them come in,
Speaker 1: and then they do whatever they do to make your
Speaker 1: life miserable. Anyway, the third experience was while I was
Speaker 1: still on my mission, but in another city. This city
Speaker 1: was called Beaumont, Texas. A new companion and I were
Speaker 1: going from door to door, knocking on doors, trying to
Speaker 1: share the gospel with whoever we could. And we were
Speaker 1: in a neighborhood that was pretty seedy and known to
Speaker 1: have gang silence and murders and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: And we had just gone to one house and got
Speaker 1: no answer, and so we're going on to the next
Speaker 1: house and walking down the sidewalk. As soon as we
Speaker 1: crossed the property line into the next house, I got
Speaker 1: this terrible feeling that just really took me over. And
Speaker 1: I told my companion, you know, I said, Elder, we
Speaker 1: should skip this house and just go knock the next one.
Speaker 1: I've got a really bad feeling about it. And I
Speaker 1: didn't understand why I would have a bad feeling about it,
Speaker 1: because this house was actually nicer and better kept than
Speaker 1: most of the other houses on the street. But my
Speaker 1: companion didn't want to hear it. You know, He's like, no, elder,
Speaker 1: we have to share the gospel with everybody. And so
Speaker 1: he goes charging on up to the door and knocks
Speaker 1: on it, and this dark skinned man answers the door.
Speaker 1: The whites of his eyes were very yellow, and interestingly,
Speaker 1: I noticed that you couldn't distinguish his irises from his pupils.
Speaker 1: It was just like this big old black spot in
Speaker 1: the middle of his eyes is very creepy looking. But
Speaker 1: my over enthusiastic mission companion starts going into his spill, Hi,
Speaker 1: my name's Elder so and so, and this is Elder
Speaker 1: so and so, and we're missionaries. And this guy cuts
Speaker 1: him right off. He's like, I know who you are,
Speaker 1: and he says, I actually have my own spirituality. And
Speaker 1: apparently this guy must have been involved in some kind
Speaker 1: of serious Satan worship or black magic or something, because
Speaker 1: as you know, as soon as he started talking, I
Speaker 1: just you know that that terrible feeling I had kind
Speaker 1: of just intensified. And this guy proceeded to say terrible
Speaker 1: things to us, which which wasn't out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: We have people say rotten, terrible things to us. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wish you guys would die or get hit by
Speaker 1: a truck or whatever, you know, and or tell us
Speaker 1: we're going to hell and all the stuff. But this
Speaker 1: guy was different. You know, he if he just summoned
Speaker 1: the demons of hell or whatever to say these terrible
Speaker 1: things to us, But they're such terrible things and seemed
Speaker 1: to somehow relate to things we would only know about ourselves.
Speaker 1: That we felt so destroyed. And when I say destroyed,
Speaker 1: I mean not just like disheartened for being rejected, because
Speaker 1: we got rejected all the time, you know, just getting
Speaker 1: doors slammed in our face day in, day out. But this,
Speaker 1: I mean, the stuff this guy had to say was
Speaker 1: so terrible that I think I've blocked it out of
Speaker 1: my mind. But interestingly, when you're out there serving the
Speaker 1: Lord and doing your best to do what's right and
Speaker 1: following the rules and working hard till the Lord is
Speaker 1: with you, and you know you have your guardian angels
Speaker 1: with you, and stuff and it's noticeable. You know, You'll
Speaker 1: notice all these times you could have died, you know,
Speaker 1: and you have the inspiration of God with you. But
Speaker 1: suddenly I feel like, partly because I had ignored the
Speaker 1: promptings from the Spirit, and partly from just having had
Speaker 1: this conversation with this kind of lost individual, my companion,
Speaker 1: I no longer had that that presence of God with us,
Speaker 1: you know, or the Holy Spirit. And for once, for
Speaker 1: the first time in the several months I had been
Speaker 1: out there doing this work, I was left without that
Speaker 1: and just left filling just like any old person. I
Speaker 1: guess it's hard to explain unless you've experienced that, but
Speaker 1: you know, I was looking extra careful that night anytime
Speaker 1: we would cross the street because I felt so so
Speaker 1: much more vulnerable than usual. And I think it took
Speaker 1: us a good day plus before we got back to
Speaker 1: our usual selves after that event. Let's see, the fourth
Speaker 1: experience I had was pretty interesting. This was years later,
Speaker 1: somewhere between I want to say, between twenty ten and
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. I had gotten into the military. I was
Speaker 1: formerly military intelligence, and we came home to visit my
Speaker 1: side of the family here in Utah from living out
Speaker 1: of state where I was stationed in the military, and
Speaker 1: somebody sent me to the grocery store to get a
Speaker 1: few items. Whether it's to make dinner that night or
Speaker 1: for the next day, I can't remember, but anyway, I
Speaker 1: got into the checkout line at the grocery store and
Speaker 1: I noticed this woman standing in front of me had
Speaker 1: particularly strange bodily proportions. For those of you who don't
Speaker 1: understand what that means, I guess whether you take an
Speaker 1: anatomy class or a figure drawing class for art or something,
Speaker 1: there's this concept that when you're drawing a human, they
Speaker 1: have certain proportions, meaning that they're different parts of their
Speaker 1: body relate to each other, usually in different ratios. And
Speaker 1: we take that for granted when we see people all
Speaker 1: throughout the day because we all have similar purports. Men's
Speaker 1: proportions are obviously slightly different than women's, but no big deal.
Speaker 1: But this, this person in front of me, had proportions
Speaker 1: which I had never seen in a person, and she
Speaker 1: had very strange, long, thin limbs, and I had done.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I have seen people that were
Speaker 1: in late stages of anorexia before. This was not just
Speaker 1: a case of anorexia. I mean, the length of her
Speaker 1: various parts of her legs and arms and stuff, and
Speaker 1: how that related to her shoulders and head and all
Speaker 1: that stuff was just way off. And she also didn't
Speaker 1: seem that it didn't seem to be just a case
Speaker 1: of deformity either. And I didn't count the fingers on
Speaker 1: her hands, which I'm looking at, you know, that would
Speaker 1: be of interest to know. But one thing, one very
Speaker 1: distinct thing I recognized, was in her face. Her head
Speaker 1: was very large, and not only that, but her eyes
Speaker 1: were twice the size of any human eyes I have
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. And this was not just
Speaker 1: a thyroid problem or something, And you know, that was
Speaker 1: just her eyes were gigantic. And I am a very sociable,
Speaker 1: talkative person. I'm very comfortable talking with people, no matter
Speaker 1: their station in life and such, probably because of my
Speaker 1: missionary service. But I wanted to make small talk and
Speaker 1: at least say hello to this woman. But in the
Speaker 1: very act of trying to do so, it's like I
Speaker 1: was stopped. It wasn't just a case of fear, it's
Speaker 1: that I actually couldn't when I went to speak. My
Speaker 1: different muscles in my throat and my mouth would not
Speaker 1: even activate. I am not like a speech pathologist by
Speaker 1: any means or anything, but it's just I went to
Speaker 1: speak to her, and it's like I was not allowed to,
Speaker 1: Like she obviously had some type of psychic or supernatural
Speaker 1: abilities beyond my imagination. And that was so bizarre for
Speaker 1: the first time in my life to go to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody and just be stopped dead in my tracks
Speaker 1: in that way. And I remember looking at the cashier
Speaker 1: who's reading up everybody's groceries, and you know, this is
Speaker 1: another interesting thing that comes to mind, is the fact
Speaker 1: that this person ahead of me was paying for their groceries.
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll talk about that later. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I looked at the cashier to try to observe, you know,
Speaker 1: if she had noticed anything about the customer and ahead
Speaker 1: of me, and I even asked her, and this lady
Speaker 1: didn't even know what I was talking about, and it
Speaker 1: was so bizarre, so I didn't quite comprehend what I
Speaker 1: had just observed, and so I just kind of put
Speaker 1: it out of my mind for some years Later on,
Speaker 1: I somehow started looking into all this paranormal and UFO stuff,
Speaker 1: and I've heard multiple stories about a let's say extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: slash human hybrid breeding program whatever for lack of better term,
Speaker 1: and how they are cross breeding different species of extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: with humans. And then suddenly clicked and suddenly this all
Speaker 1: made sense, and that this being who appeared to be
Speaker 1: a woman could very likely be one of those hybrids.
Speaker 1: And I thought, that's fascinating. And but of all the
Speaker 1: bad things people say about, you know, different species of
Speaker 1: aliens and stuff, I did find that interesting that she
Speaker 1: was actually paying for her groceries. I you know, if
Speaker 1: I had abilities that extreme, maybe I wouldn't pay for
Speaker 1: my groceries all the time. I don't know, anyway, so
Speaker 1: that was interesting. Oh and then so if my next experience.
Speaker 1: My grandmother on my mom's side passed away in the
Speaker 1: end of twenty fourteen. We had always been very close.
Speaker 1: I had always been particularly close with her, as well
Speaker 1: as my grandfather on my dad's side. But anyway, when
Speaker 1: she passed away, I guess when I say we had
Speaker 1: been close, we would often talk to each other on
Speaker 1: the phone and stuff, and often visit. I guess they
Speaker 1: only lived an hour and a half away, and so
Speaker 1: it wasn't too big of a deal. To go visit
Speaker 1: my grandparents. So she passed away, and we were living
Speaker 1: out of state, and for whatever reason, I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to travel home for the funeral, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of upset about it, but ultimately I knew that my
Speaker 1: grandmother loved me, and I knew that she knew that
Speaker 1: I loved her as well, and tried not to feel
Speaker 1: too guilty or put off that I wasn't able to go.
Speaker 1: But I think subconsciously I must have been more bothered
Speaker 1: by it than I wanted to admit, because several months
Speaker 1: went by and we ended up moving back home here
Speaker 1: to Utah to live closer family. We had been living
Speaker 1: in a house, but we moved into an apartment and
Speaker 1: one night I was lying in bed and I received
Speaker 1: you to message. You know, it must be telepathically. I
Speaker 1: don't communicate telepathically on any kind of a basis with anybody,
Speaker 1: but this message, it just came to my soul, you
Speaker 1: know that. And I could recognize whatever the energy and
Speaker 1: the voice as that of my late grandmother. And she
Speaker 1: said she was coming to visit me, and that she
Speaker 1: would come through the front door. And she was telling
Speaker 1: me such so that I wouldn't be alarmed, and so
Speaker 1: I got out of bed, and she walked right in
Speaker 1: through the front door, and obviously without opening it. But
Speaker 1: she appeared to be a much younger version of herself.
Speaker 1: She was I think she was in her late eighties,
Speaker 1: possibly when she passed away, I can't even remember now,
Speaker 1: but anyway, she appeared to be someone maybe in her thirties.
Speaker 1: And we spoke briefly, and she asked me how I
Speaker 1: was doing, what I was up to, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and then she asked me if she could see the
Speaker 1: rest of my family, and so I walked her to
Speaker 1: the two different bedrooms that the kids were sleeping in
Speaker 1: at the time, and I showed them each child. I
Speaker 1: showed her each of the boys and told her what
Speaker 1: was going on in their lives. And I was still
Speaker 1: married at the time, and so I showed her my
Speaker 1: ex wife, and she knew she had known all these
Speaker 1: people in her her living years, and so it's not
Speaker 1: like this is the first time she met him or anything.
Speaker 1: I showed her my wife and told her how you know,
Speaker 1: she was doing it, her job and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then she walked back out to the living room
Speaker 1: in the apartment, and she said she had to go,
Speaker 1: and she told me how much she loved me and
Speaker 1: my family and that she was proud of us all
Speaker 1: and started to be I guess, afraid of the sadness
Speaker 1: that would come over me as she was going to leave,
Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't know and I was going
Speaker 1: to see her again. Surprisingly, when she left, I was
Speaker 1: left with an intense feeling of joy, of real, true happiness,
Speaker 1: and of peace, which I think was bizarre because I
Speaker 1: was totally didn't make sense to me how such a
Speaker 1: thing could happen. I was just totally expecting to be
Speaker 1: sad as all. Heck, but you know, I feel sad
Speaker 1: thinking about it, just because I missed my grandma. But
Speaker 1: it was so bizarre. After she left, I felt so
Speaker 1: happy and peaceful. And I guess that does it for
Speaker 1: that experience. Oh oh, I guess. One thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to say, though, was that at first I was wondering
Speaker 1: if that experience with my grandmother could have just been
Speaker 1: a dream, because you know, we want to rationalize things
Speaker 1: away and just think, oh, yeah, probably because I ate
Speaker 1: some spicy chicken too late at night or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think to all the dreams I've had
Speaker 1: where I've been in locations that were supposedly familiar to me,
Speaker 1: and how the details of those locations would be different
Speaker 1: than they were in real life, And that was one
Speaker 1: easily identifiable way I would know something was a dream.
Speaker 1: But in this meeting with my grandmother that the apartment
Speaker 1: was still exactly the way it was in reality, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the everything was in the same place. So
Speaker 1: that was bizarre. But also was the fact that the
Speaker 1: conversation that I had with her was so realistic in that,
Speaker 1: you know, how she would have carried on a conversation
Speaker 1: with me. There was nothing weird or wacky about it.
Speaker 1: It was all so coherent and cohesive, and so I
Speaker 1: think what happened might have been something more than a dream.
Speaker 1: I've read in recent years about different dimensions and you know,
Speaker 1: people raising or lowering their vibration and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking that somehow, you know, through her arrangements
Speaker 1: or whatever, I was able to meet her on a
Speaker 1: spiritual level in a dimension that is close to the
Speaker 1: one that we live in somehow, and so that was
Speaker 1: really cool. But yeah, anyway, so back to my last experience,
Speaker 1: which was between twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen after the military,
Speaker 1: I began studying meditation as a means to help deal
Speaker 1: with anxiety issues that I had developed while in the military,
Speaker 1: and so I just wasn't doing anything complicated. I had
Speaker 1: started a habit of meditating twice a day, though for
Speaker 1: I think about fifteen or twenty minutes each time, doing
Speaker 1: something somebody had taught me called mindfulness meditation, which is
Speaker 1: pretty common where you just kind of you sit in
Speaker 1: a chair somewhere and relax and pay attention to either
Speaker 1: the sound of your own breath or the feeling of
Speaker 1: breathing and such, and just try to let go of
Speaker 1: all your excess thoughts and stuff. And I was sitting
Speaker 1: there in the middle of a meditation one day, in
Speaker 1: a high backed kitchen chair that I had in my bedroom,
Speaker 1: and it was against the wall. I was sitting there,
Speaker 1: and suddenly, even though I knew for a fact that
Speaker 1: I was home alone, I always keep the door locked
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, Suddenly a hand there's
Speaker 1: like somebody put their hand down on my right shoulder,
Speaker 1: and you know, the way it felt seemed like it
Speaker 1: would have been a right hand of somebody who was
Speaker 1: standing behind me. And I could tell it's probably the
Speaker 1: hand of a It felt like the hand of a
Speaker 1: working man who really gets out and you know, does
Speaker 1: hard work with their hands, because it wasn't a light,
Speaker 1: little hand or anything. But anyway, strangely, I didn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid or feel any reason to be afraid. But
Speaker 1: that hand was put down on my shoulder and stayed
Speaker 1: there for a few seconds, and I did, you know,
Speaker 1: slightly open my eyes a bit to peek around. But
Speaker 1: you know, I never knew who it was exactly, or
Speaker 1: if somebody had, you know, come to visit me from
Speaker 1: the spirit world.
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Speaker 1: So that is all the experiences I have to share
Speaker 1: for tonight.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 1: No problem.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes, you know, you can meditate and put
Speaker 2: yourself into a state maybe leave yourself open to other things.
Speaker 1: It's highly possible. I think meditation is an amazing thing,
Speaker 1: and there's it creates. There's so many more possibilities than
Speaker 1: people realize because I think in uh, you know, popular culture,
Speaker 1: let's say, in movies and cartoons and stuff, they kind
Speaker 1: of make fun of people who meditate, like why would
Speaker 1: anybody in their right mind want to just sit there
Speaker 1: doing nothing? But it can be used for so much more.
Speaker 1: I think besides helping you relax, it can help you
Speaker 1: to you know, recharge your energy and you know, recharge
Speaker 1: your mind. And I've read a handful of books on
Speaker 1: it in the last several years. And you know, supposedly
Speaker 1: it even helps your body to achieve such RESTful states
Speaker 1: that you might not even attain and sleep that it
Speaker 1: can help you help your body regenerate itself. I guess
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on of all these benefits
Speaker 1: to your physical and mental health you can receive from meditation,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you could use it to talk to
Speaker 1: your ancestors if you want to. I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I think there is so many benefits to it. I
Speaker 2: mean I don't get a whold lot of time to
Speaker 2: do that, to meditate, but I think it's important to
Speaker 2: come away sometimes and escape the news and the TV
Speaker 2: and social media and stuff and just find calm. You know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily have to be meditation. It can be
Speaker 2: you know, reading the book or going for a walk
Speaker 2: or someone where you can find some quietude, you know,
Speaker 2: not just physically, but for the mind as well. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: the benefits I think are endless when it comes to meditation.
Speaker 2: I think it's something people should, you know, bring into
Speaker 2: their lives more. The mind is a very powerful thing,
Speaker 2: and I think your bodies in your mind, you're able
Speaker 2: to reprogram yourself pretty much, you know, you know, whether
Speaker 2: it's to do stress.
Speaker 1: Or addiction or.
Speaker 2: Something like that, you know, to probably set yourself out
Speaker 2: on a better path. Remember, years ago, as my mother
Speaker 2: told me about something they used to do as kids,
Speaker 2: and it was before they would go to bed, they
Speaker 2: would repeat something and this is just basically making yourself
Speaker 2: more suggestible. So say, for instance, if they were to
Speaker 2: get up earty at a certain time and uh huh,
Speaker 2: they used to say, I will wake up at six o'clock,
Speaker 2: and they would repeat it twenty or so times. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: And then the following morning, sure enough, without the need
Speaker 2: of anyone or an alarm clock, they would wake up
Speaker 2: bang on that time.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, there's so much more to the subconscious mind.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but I guess our energy of
Speaker 1: you know, our spiritual energy have being connected with the
Speaker 1: rest of you know, the human consciousness and the earth
Speaker 1: we live on and all that. It would be quite
Speaker 1: adventurous to explore the limits of that sometime. I think
Speaker 1: there's a handful of different ways that can help you
Speaker 1: think more clearly and sharply. Yeah, here's the question for
Speaker 1: you is have you ever gotten in an argument with somebody?
Speaker 1: Maybe you won the argument or maybe they did. You know,
Speaker 1: did anything good come of that? Did that improve your
Speaker 1: relationship with that person? You know? I mean I think
Speaker 1: of being a missionary and how a lot of people
Speaker 1: you meet out on the street whatever love to Bible
Speaker 1: bash with you, you know, or kind of argue about
Speaker 1: this and that and another, and I think, you know this,
Speaker 1: if they're trying to wean me over to their faith
Speaker 1: or something there, they're doing a terrible job. Because let's
Speaker 1: assume they won the argument or something. You think I
Speaker 1: really want to go take up their faith and their religion.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I hope that's not how
Speaker 1: it works.
Speaker 2: You know, Over the years, I've had many interactions with
Speaker 2: certain religious groups, certain cults as well. I've ended up
Speaker 2: getting not involved with, but I had conversations, conversations with Indeed,
Speaker 2: I'm very like, I'm very open to hear what people
Speaker 2: have to say. It doesn't always necessarily mean that I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm going to probably take probably what I need
Speaker 2: from it more than anything else. I'm not always just
Speaker 2: going to jump ship or anything like that. But I'm
Speaker 2: always interested on their side. I'm always willing to listen
Speaker 2: to people. Not necessary politicians, mind does a completely different story.
Speaker 2: But when it I'm interested in what people have to say.
Speaker 2: I mean, it couldn't have been that easy having to
Speaker 2: knock on doors, because you you know, you never you
Speaker 2: never always know what you're going to get, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had some pretty crazy experiences. I don't think. Look,
Speaker 1: I never had a gun point at me or anything,
Speaker 1: so I was lucky there. But yeah, it could get
Speaker 1: pretty hostile pretty quick at some houses. And you know,
Speaker 1: luckily I lived to tell the tale. And all things considered,
Speaker 1: it was it was a great experience. It was something
Speaker 1: else learning how to deal with the heat and humidity
Speaker 1: down there in the South. But I tell you what,
Speaker 1: the people were some of the nicest people I've ever
Speaker 1: met to. At the same time, I mean, once you
Speaker 1: get past the meanness, you know, we'd have people just
Speaker 1: invite us right right and off the street to have
Speaker 1: dinner with them, and you know, all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Or I remember one time it had I
Speaker 1: think that I had had one or both of the
Speaker 1: tires on my bike slashed by somebody and was wondering
Speaker 1: how I you know, I was gonna walk home to
Speaker 1: and get home in time to do some things we
Speaker 1: had to do later. And some nice people who didn't
Speaker 1: even go to my church, you know, I just came
Speaker 1: and picked up me and my companion and had us
Speaker 1: put our bikes in the back of their truck and
Speaker 1: they drove us home. And there's there's a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and you know, media organizations out there that want you
Speaker 1: to to hate certain groups of people and want you
Speaker 1: to believe that people are generally bad and selfish and
Speaker 1: evil and self centered and all this stuff. But the
Speaker 1: truth of it is is people are really good. We
Speaker 1: might have different beliefs and stuff, but I think deep
Speaker 1: down we're all able to recognize the similarities we share
Speaker 1: and the common humanity that we share. And I love
Speaker 1: seeing that come out in people and see people, you know,
Speaker 1: just step up and help others and be kind.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. It's just more of a case
Speaker 2: of you're always going to get bad people. That's that's
Speaker 2: a given. As good people and as bad people. You
Speaker 2: just got to look past the bad and understand how
Speaker 2: there's a lot more good people. It's just you only
Speaker 2: hear about the bad ones. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I could have been totally destroyed that night that somebody
Speaker 1: had slashed the tires on my bike, because I wasn't
Speaker 1: very wealthy of that time in my life obviously, but
Speaker 1: I realized, you know, it doesn't It doesn't do you
Speaker 1: any good to just sit there and stir up bad
Speaker 1: feelings for people and wish bad things on you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't even know who did it, so
Speaker 1: it did me zero good to go around harboring bad
Speaker 1: feelings for some mystery person who slashed my tires. I
Speaker 1: guess obviously they were probably uh, you know, on a
Speaker 1: low spiritual time in their life at that time where
Speaker 1: slash and somebody's tires on their bike sounded like a
Speaker 1: good idea exactly.
Speaker 2: And there's no there's no point keeping out inside you
Speaker 2: because it just you just collect it and it's like poison.
Speaker 2: It's just not worth it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is it. Good stuff. Okay, Yeah, these black
Speaker 2: eyed kids, I came to you a door.
Speaker 1: Creepy or what that's creepy.
Speaker 2: And there's been several counts in the US and the
Speaker 2: UK of people having these these encounters with these children. Really,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's really common, but yeah, there's been
Speaker 2: play of times. I've had a couple guests on which
Speaker 2: I've had interactions with with them.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was very off, like they looked
Speaker 1: like they were like from way out of town, being
Speaker 1: that they are so filthy looking. And that was because
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't live in a bad neighborhood or anything.
Speaker 1: But then to just see those eyes, I just knew,
Speaker 1: you know, I knew we were in trouble. I think
Speaker 1: it's all fascinating all the different shapes and sizes these
Speaker 1: things come in, these different whether it's demons or evil
Speaker 1: spirits or extraterrestrials come in. I think that's it's just
Speaker 1: fascinating to hear all these stories from people. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny many years ago, like when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: as far as I knew, I had no reason to
Speaker 1: be interested in aliens because it was just the stuff
Speaker 1: of cartoons. But now that I've seen what I have,
Speaker 1: you start to realize the actual credibility and a lot
Speaker 1: of these stories. And you know, it's always possible that
Speaker 1: somebody could just be seeking attention or something, but I
Speaker 1: don't think the majority of them are. I think the
Speaker 1: majority of people who come forth, like on your show, etc.
Speaker 1: Are people who've sincerely experienced these things. And you know,
Speaker 1: I guess we're all still trying to make heads or
Speaker 1: tails of a lot of these experiences that we've had,
Speaker 1: and you know, talking that out with somebody can kind
Speaker 1: of help you do that. You know, who knows if
Speaker 1: we'll ever know the full story in this life of
Speaker 1: I've heard so many different episodes of your podcast and
Speaker 1: then those of other enthusiasts as well, and I think, gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I probably won't be so lucky to
Speaker 1: be in the right frame of mind and such a
Speaker 1: thing happens again. You always wish you would have said
Speaker 1: something else or done something else after it's too late.
Speaker 1: You're sitting there, like, did you ever watch the Simpsons'
Speaker 1: there's this episode where some ladies trying to steal Homer
Speaker 1: from March and it's just this babysitter they have or something,
Speaker 1: and Marge's like, why don't I always think of the
Speaker 1: right thing to say when it's too late? Shut up, Cindy.
Speaker 1: Shut up Cindy. It's like, shut up Cindy was the
Speaker 1: best thing she could think of to say to this
Speaker 1: this lady after she was already gone or something. And
Speaker 1: I feel like with all of these experiences of the
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial variety, or even when it comes to spirits, you know,
Speaker 1: leave people wishing he would have done something differently or
Speaker 1: said something like I now that the whole grocery store
Speaker 1: experience is is long a with me wondering about how
Speaker 1: many fingers this lady had on her hands, or or
Speaker 1: you know, where was she buying at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: You know that'd be interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the thing with these experiences is it's not
Speaker 2: like you can really set a date and say, you know,
Speaker 2: this is going to going to have this experience today.
Speaker 2: These experiences tend to happen when you're completely off guard.
Speaker 2: They creep up behind you and happen, so you're very always,
Speaker 2: very ill prepared. Yeah, and whether that's by design, I
Speaker 2: really don't know, because sometimes they can really catch you
Speaker 2: at your low point, they can interact with you when
Speaker 2: you're at your lowest. Whether again, that's possibly something to
Speaker 2: do with it, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess kind of think of it. The only
Speaker 1: one I well, I guess I was forewarned about the
Speaker 1: scary guy while we're out knocking doors somewhat, And I was,
Speaker 1: you know, sent a message by my grandmother before she
Speaker 1: came to visit me, but that was only you know,
Speaker 1: a moment before. But yeah, you're right, It's like, it's
Speaker 1: not like you can just go to your social media
Speaker 1: page for people who want to meet with aliens and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to come over and play chess next Thursday
Speaker 1: at seven point thirty, and we'll have some chips and
Speaker 1: some drinks. And it doesn't quite work like that, does It.
Speaker 2: Doesn't quite work that way.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think we you know, when we do get messages,
Speaker 2: the messages of foresight, whether they come from somewhere divine
Speaker 2: or even from somewhere inside us, you know, because there's
Speaker 2: always that belief that we're all connected, that we're a
Speaker 2: big we're a big hard driver, or a hive mind, whatever.
Speaker 2: And I've always said when we do have dreams, whether
Speaker 2: this was a dream, what this actually happened with you
Speaker 2: and your grandmother, I've always said that, you know, when
Speaker 2: we do have dreams of past loved ones, I think
Speaker 2: that's possibly the easiest way for them to come through.
Speaker 2: To start knocking on things and moving things around. I
Speaker 2: think can be quite difficult, maybe because I hear a
Speaker 2: lot of people which have had dreams of loved ones
Speaker 2: that have passed and they've come with a message. Or
Speaker 2: in the case of my mother, I said this on
Speaker 2: a few episodes. She had lost a bracelet which she loved,
Speaker 2: gold bracelets that she'd had for Jesus fifty odd years
Speaker 2: she had lost it. And yeah, my mother's at the
Speaker 2: age now where she forgets where she put stuff. But
Speaker 2: it was two weeks and she couldn't find it in
Speaker 2: all the places she was looking around, couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: And she had this dream for the relative I can't
Speaker 2: remember a great grammar that I think came through to
Speaker 2: her and basically told her where the bracelet was. And
Speaker 2: my mother woke up the next day and sure enough,
Speaker 2: it was exactly where it was.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 2: Sure enough she woke up, went straight there and found it.
Speaker 2: Our loved ones do come through and we kind of
Speaker 2: just dismissed them as just dreams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm convinced it was something different than
Speaker 1: a dream, because I know it wasn't just a regular
Speaker 1: waking occurrence, because I don't remember having any sensation of like, say,
Speaker 1: my feet walking on the floor, you know, or feeling
Speaker 1: the weight carrying the weight of my body, or any
Speaker 1: any such thing, you know. I guess we don't know
Speaker 1: all that we like to about whether it's dreams or
Speaker 1: interdimensional travel. I read some really interesting books by Robert
Speaker 1: Monroe and his experience in visiting other dimensions through his
Speaker 1: I guess, Adventures in astral Travel and such and really
Speaker 1: interesting books. Have you ever read any of those?
Speaker 2: I have, And I had a guest on a few
Speaker 2: episodes ago, and he would share his experiences and we
Speaker 2: got talking about Monroe and the books and the research
Speaker 2: he did. And my guest actually sent me the book.
Speaker 2: And actually it's the only book I actually have here
Speaker 2: in the studio minute is up on the shelf there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Okay, I find stuff by Robert Monroe fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think the I think I found the first two
Speaker 1: books at least pretty interesting. Maybe the third one might
Speaker 1: have started getting a little weird, because I guess you
Speaker 1: can go really deep into that stuff. I guess there's
Speaker 1: countless dimensions out there and stuff, and when you start
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, your higher self and all that.
Speaker 1: I seem to remember he got just really crazy deep
Speaker 1: into that where it's you know, once you get that
Speaker 1: deep into things, the thoughts are so abstract compared to
Speaker 1: this this existence we currently experience as beings on this earth,
Speaker 1: and it's hard, you know, to relate to a lot
Speaker 1: of it. I think I don't know, but I guess
Speaker 1: some people have that experience and probably find it very
Speaker 1: meaningful and all that good stuff. But I guess I
Speaker 1: have not experienced anything quite that profound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some that do, and they practice regularly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, if it's something you're interested in,
Speaker 2: there's someone you want to explore, you have the time,
Speaker 2: you have yourself healthy mentally and physically, I think definitely
Speaker 2: it's something I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was trying at one time, and
Speaker 1: I think one of the books I had read suggested
Speaker 1: that having what are they called those those dreams that
Speaker 1: are where you realize you're having a dream while you're
Speaker 1: in the dream, those called lucid dreams. Lucid dreams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody in their books suggested that's a good pathway to
Speaker 1: these out of body experiences. And so I actually kept
Speaker 1: a dream journal for several months one time, and I
Speaker 1: found myself having all kinds of interesting lucid dreams. This
Speaker 1: one in particular, I was in a dream and I
Speaker 1: was way between my house and the local home depot,
Speaker 1: and I realized I was butt naked, but I was.
Speaker 1: I was on my way to home depot to grab
Speaker 1: some things to fix up my house or whatever, and
Speaker 1: somehow I realized, you know, this has to be a dream,
Speaker 1: because I'm butt naked and I'm out in the street,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't even be comfortable being butt naked close
Speaker 1: to my own front door inside of my house, much
Speaker 1: less out in the neighborhood. It was bizarre because I
Speaker 1: was present enough mentally to realize that that I that
Speaker 1: it was a dream. But then my next thought was, well,
Speaker 1: I might as well go to home depot and get
Speaker 1: those things like me. And it's like, well, why did
Speaker 1: that make any sense if I was in a dream?
Speaker 1: You know, I did it, and I'd go down to
Speaker 1: the hardware store with my and grab myself a grocery cart,
Speaker 1: and I walked around the store getting what I needed
Speaker 1: as all the people would point and laugh at me
Speaker 1: and I would wave to them, and then magic, when
Speaker 1: I got to the checkout line, I pulled a wallet
Speaker 1: out of there, I guess because it definitely wasn't in
Speaker 1: my pocket because I wasn't didn't have one, you know
Speaker 1: at the time, being naked like I was. But I
Speaker 1: paid for my stuff, and then I walked out in
Speaker 1: the parking lot where my then wife was waiting for
Speaker 1: me in a car, and I got in and we
Speaker 1: left and the dream was over, and those things are
Speaker 1: adventurous dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think it's that can be quite a
Speaker 2: bit of meaning with that dream. I mean, I enjoy
Speaker 2: going to hardware stores physically, Yeah, I think, I think now,
Speaker 2: and to our listeners, you know, if if you are
Speaker 2: on the astual plane in a dream state, you might
Speaker 2: be best to avoid the home depot just in case
Speaker 2: you there is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's an old pastime of mine, naked shopping,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean they've had all these these noticed
Speaker 1: car these you know, for decades and such, but I'm
Speaker 1: really going to take it to the next level.
Speaker 2: So carrying only just at all bout Yeah, oh goodness,
Speaker 2: wonderful stuff. Okay, let's just touch briefly on the grocery store. Sure,
Speaker 2: I'm of the belief that they do walk among us
Speaker 2: already here. Yeah, it's shamed weren't able to get a
Speaker 2: picture or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't tell you how awkward it was
Speaker 1: to be stopped in the act of trying to speak,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: my fear or hesitancy. I went to do it, but
Speaker 1: I just totally stopped, just you know, not even able
Speaker 1: to you know, activate the various muscles in my mouth
Speaker 1: or my throat, the vocal cords or any of that
Speaker 1: just kind of I don't know. I imagine like gasping for
Speaker 1: air when you're underwater, kind of a situation just where
Speaker 1: you know, you're just stuck. I don't know. I would
Speaker 1: like to think that me and that person could have,
Speaker 1: you know, been acquaintances or something and just had a
Speaker 1: a civilized exchange. But at the same time, if she
Speaker 1: was what I'm thinking she was, I imagine that her
Speaker 1: existence down here on this Earth could be highly stressful,
Speaker 1: because that's something that most people on this planet probably
Speaker 1: aren't ready to acknowledge even exists. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I imagine whatever abilities they have. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much effort is required to use those abilities, but I,
Speaker 1: you know, with my mental capacity and stuff, I imagine
Speaker 1: it could be stressful having to walk amongst so many
Speaker 1: creatures that are that kind of different than you, you know,
Speaker 1: like who knows. Just imagine how stressful it would be
Speaker 1: for one of us to walk amongst you know, a
Speaker 1: whole population of their type. Could be you know, stressful
Speaker 1: for all kinds of different reasons. I mean, most of
Speaker 1: us here, I'm going to say, probably don't have the
Speaker 1: ability to control things the way they do. Something I've
Speaker 1: heard over and over again in my studies is that
Speaker 1: these beings have a very uh just intimidating presence maybe
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, just like their their
Speaker 1: energy when you're near them, you know, tends to be
Speaker 1: enough to make people afraid, you know, hearing stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to imagine, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, I've had several guests on here which and I
Speaker 2: was spoken to people over the years that have believed have
Speaker 2: had interactions with hybrids. Some have been aware of at
Speaker 2: the time, others sometime later. And sometimes these these individuals
Speaker 2: have come into these people's lives, mostly briefly, in the
Speaker 2: time of need, sometimes you know, to get maybe give
Speaker 2: some guidance or help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it would be really interesting to you know,
Speaker 1: make friends with some of them on a permanent basis,
Speaker 1: you know, have these conversations and experiences that you could
Speaker 1: share with each other, you know, going and visiting one
Speaker 1: of their grocery stores, or going to one of their
Speaker 1: universities and allowing them that. It seems to me like
Speaker 1: many of these beings obviously that with the way these
Speaker 1: stories go, they're going to be more advanced than we
Speaker 1: are because of not only more advanced technology, but maybe
Speaker 1: being more advanced in their evolution as a race. And
Speaker 1: so I'm sure, like you say, they already live among us,
Speaker 1: and they probably already are going to our schools, and
Speaker 1: some interesting conversations that could be had there.
Speaker 2: Indeed, and if you're listening to the show, when you're
Speaker 2: right there, right in and let us know what was
Speaker 2: on your grocery list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Darry, we didn't get to have a chat.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that I can sympathize with that,
Speaker 1: being just like any o the rest of us trying
Speaker 1: to go to the store and get the things we
Speaker 1: need so we can get home. You don't want some
Speaker 1: weird guy coming up behind you. Hey, I Knowic, you're
Speaker 1: not from this planet. Yeah, what's that all about? Like?
Speaker 2: But absolutely, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wonderful.
Speaker 2: Okay, I really enjoy speaking with you today.
Speaker 6: Okay, it was.
Speaker 1: Really good to meet you, sir. You're awesome, and keep
Speaker 1: up the good work.
Speaker 2: You're more than welcome, Buda. I really appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: on and sharing that for our listeners. Keep in contact
Speaker 2: all right, and we will speak soon. And you enjoyed
Speaker 2: the rest of the.
Speaker 1: Evening, all right, thank you much, sir.
Speaker 2: We'll see later, okay, take care bye for now. That
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Speaker 2: have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
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Speaker 2: big fangye debulah for sharing tonight and thank you all
Speaker 2: for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
Speaker 2: stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye to