WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.480 Part of Private Talk after Dark. Thank you for having me, 2 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:04.879 This is lovely. What have you been up to during 3 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:07.400 these quarantine times? It's been a long time. 4 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:10.839 We got to catch up. Yeah, I feel like I've 5 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:15.199 just been fucking weird, just been fucking just been fucking 6 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:16.519 all right, let's just. 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.160 Throw it out there. Snowball fucks by like dick dick, 8 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:23.440 So who have you been fucking? Is that a new boo? 9 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:24.760 Is it like talent boo? 10 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:25.399 Is it like? 11 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.359 Is it like cod? Like? How do you get where 12 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.679 do you get these fucking privileges? During COVID? I got none? 13 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:32.399 I got no. 14 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.840 Where do you find the dick during COVID? I was 15 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.240 lucky enough to meet up with someone right before COVID, 16 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.240 and when COVID started, we were like locked down. 17 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:47.000 So it's like, hey, Susanna Fox meets someone like, you know, civilian, 18 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.600 like you like to say, foreign world, someone who's not. 19 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.240 A sex sex worker, is not throwing dick at the 20 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:59.399 camera or pussy pussy likes to true true facts. I 21 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.799 was actually up by my girlfriend Missy Stone hooked me 22 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.200 up on like a blind date type of thing. 23 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.280 Were you nervous? Were you like a mister mistery you 24 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:10.760 never know, mister. I like Missy to death, but you know, 25 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.120 you never know what kind of friend she'll be. Like, hey, girl, 26 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.640 but she's she's good people, so she's gonna always gonna 27 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:15.959 have your back. 28 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:17.920 She did. She definitely had my back because I'm still 29 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:19.000 humping him. 30 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.040 How big is it? It's just a big fit. 31 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.519 It's a fit because I'm not a size queen or 32 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:27.719 like puzzle pieces, you know, like when it fits and 33 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:31.000 I'm like, I found a puzzle piece. I have several 34 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:33.640 puzzle pieces. I gotta hold you go, girl, don't let 35 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:38.239 me try. There's multiple puzzle pieces that have like entered 36 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.040 the vagina. I'm like you for life, I will fuck 37 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.560 you for life. But I found a new one, which 38 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:42.200 is very nice. 39 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:42.719 How many of you? 40 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:43.400 How many? Now? 41 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.840 Does this make me? 42 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:48.359 Carry the three? 43 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.319 Are we adding? Subtracting numbers to always? True? We want 44 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:55.159 the truth? The truth is. 45 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:58.040 They're always they're always leaving like a puzzle pieces be 46 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.280 getting soggy and she gotta take them off getting but. 47 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.079 They still could like you going back into my pandoras. Yeah, 48 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.000 it's not like adding numbers if you've already done. 49 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:08.280 It, true, it's not Yeah, yeah, No, they're my favorite. 50 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.360 But I think that's like porn terminology, like porn code. 51 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.120 But that's the least what we tell each other, so 52 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:14.599 it's like it's just happened. 53 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:15.919 Yeah, it's true. 54 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.439 I prefer to have my like civilian dick and then 55 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.719 like my porn dick. You know, nothing wrong with that. 56 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.319 I have a variety of variety of dicks. So you 57 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.759 were fucking one dick during COVID. Now that everything's kind 58 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:29.560 of opened backed up a little bit, especially in the industry, 59 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.400 there's more rapid testing or doing it all frequently kind 60 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:34.560 of thing. Are you fucking other dick now? Or are 61 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.759 you doing all your solo stuff? You're doing only fans stuff. 62 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.639 Are you contracted? Where can your pussy and holsby scene? Anna? 63 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.759 Ba's on the Gram? Uh, it's on the go to 64 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.000 get deleted these days, they're so fucking strict on the 65 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.960 Gram and sex work right now. They hate us. Yeah, 66 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:51.080 I know. 67 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:55.159 I definitely have like new scenes coming out. I'm not 68 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:57.800 venturing out there. I'm not on tender or nothing. I'm 69 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.759 not like looking for new dick or anything like that. 70 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:02.680 I'm pretty content with the clean, safe dick. I'm just 71 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.240 not ready. I feel like during COVID, like I used 72 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.000 to be like super slut BC. Before COVID, I was 73 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:10.039 super slut in it, like dirt come off the floor. 74 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.680 And now I'm like a prude like Blanche from the 75 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.000 Golden Girls, like I don't want don't touch me unless 76 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:16.400 you have rubies on your you know. 77 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.159 Like, hey, evolution you got. You can't be the same 78 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.879 person every single year. You know, that's kind of crazy 79 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.120 because you have to evolve and that's just what life is. 80 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.599 And so you've already looked the ground, You've already done 81 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:28.919 all the dirty things, and it's okay to make changes. 82 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:30.919 So what other changes are you making? And what are 83 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.280 you what are you doing now? 84 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.000 Yes, well I've been producing a lot for myself, doing 85 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.360 the only fans, saying thank God for only fans, shout 86 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:40.759 out to everybody who jops off to me. It's amazing. 87 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:47.719 Fuck. Yeah, I'm all around a pause, keeping the smile 88 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:48.360 on our face. 89 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:54.520 Yeah, during during COVID. Yes, so the producing for only 90 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.599 fans is pretty awesome. I was lucky enough to produce 91 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:02.280 for Playboy, which was awesome. I shot Misty Stone because 92 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:03.000 she gave me dick. 93 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:05.800 It's a present within its presence. Yeah. 94 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.400 Well and she's a goat. Like I like, I totally 95 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.800 respect like the women that came before me in this industry, 96 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.279 like like you, Misty anyone else. Uh, there's lists of 97 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.439 women and I'm not going to start listing because I 98 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.000 can't finish. 99 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.319 But you know, I just think finish. 100 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:25.879 Wait, yeah, y'all. M yes, I've had the pleasure of 101 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:32.360 like secretly seeing beautiful people transform themselves during COVID, which 102 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:33.079 is really nice. 103 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:34.879 That's awesome. You know, it's cool because you know, it's 104 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:36.279 one of those things that could like it's kind of 105 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:38.519 in a sense people say make or break people or like, 106 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:40.560 you know, because a lot of things the world going 107 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.199 on and just you know, within ourselves too, and being chaotic, 108 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:45.319 not knowing where the business is gonna go. What are 109 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.199 we to do? And you know we're so used to 110 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:50.360 being you know, workhorses, so you say, and like going 111 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.480 to conventions and doing all these scenes and being like 112 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.720 everywhere you know, So then it really takes his toll 113 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:57.879 and step back of like how do I still be 114 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.279 a sex worker and enjoy what I do? But do 115 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.519 within my limits now right right now? And everybody has 116 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:04.279 their own and that's fine, But the thing is because 117 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:05.920 of who you know you are in the success that 118 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.959 you've had is what keep those fans keep going and 119 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:09.759 going your only fans and seeing what you know, the 120 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.120 new nothing new you, but what you loved to be 121 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:14.120 if it's producing and not just being in the front 122 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.639 of camera, and you know, people like with Misty and myself, 123 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:18.959 it's like when you see people like yourself coming from 124 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.480 you know, when you first started to now it's really 125 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:23.600 cool to see you blossom into what it's all become 126 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:24.759 for you exactly. 127 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.959 Yeah, And I think low key like COVID has been 128 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.319 like a blessing in disguise because I didn't realize. You 129 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.399 don't realize like what you could do until like, uh, 130 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.199 you know, opportunities are taken away. So I used to 131 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.560 like strive for shooting for these companies that specifically want 132 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.560 you to have like short red nails or like this 133 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.839 this that you know, shave your buttthole in a triangle 134 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.480 or whatever, and I'm like, what you know, COVID took 135 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.879 all that away, so now put all the power in 136 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.079 my hands to do like literally whatever the fuck I want. 137 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.920 And that was like amazing and powerful. So it was 138 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.720 really cool to be able to step up to plate 139 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.519 and see all of my friends do it too, like 140 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.199 all of us Scott. The opportunity to be. 141 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.800 Like definitely empowering, empowering. It kind of like took away 142 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:05.480 for a long time. It's like, you know, we do 143 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.160 all the hard work, we do all these things, but 144 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:09.439 we never really get reaped the benefits per se of 145 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:10.920 what was going on. And so it's like when you 146 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.399 see the counter like the flip and change of like 147 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.079 ownership of what you know, what your ownership of your 148 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.600 own content can be. It's really cool to see what 149 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.319 it is and like, who needs you who at this 150 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:20.879 point in time? 151 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:21.759 Right, yep, yep? 152 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.000 Or because things have definitely changed within within the industry, 153 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.600 you know what I mean. But it's also too you know, 154 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.199 for good and bad. You know, everybody has its good 155 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:29.920 and bad things. But it's like I feel like, as 156 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:31.920 long as you're allowed to change within the times and 157 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:33.920 you use it and make it into your own. 158 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.519 Yeah, the power shift is fucking crucial. I love it. 159 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.160 You know, companies are still able to keep afloat and 160 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.800 now like independent women or men are able to just 161 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.680 be like at that coming up on the skirttails of 162 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:47.959 the companies, you know, like, so. 163 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.839 Are you only shooting for your only fans? Are you 164 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.639 shooting for other companies? I'll shoot for other companies. 165 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.319 Like, but I'm it's like before, like you kind of 166 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.240 used to have to say yes to anything that came 167 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.000 your way, but now I'm like, no, no, I don't 168 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:01.000 to do you a gang bang. 169 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:01.240 No. 170 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.920 I want to wait for something elaborate or cool or 171 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.240 worth my time. Like I don't want to fuck any 172 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.199 no offense, but I don't want to fuck eighteen year 173 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.680 old twenty one year olds. I'm thirty two. I'm good, 174 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:14.399 you know, I want Like, oh. 175 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:15.879 Why do you feel like that was a bad thing 176 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:16.680 to say no? Before? 177 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.399 Before COVID it just wasn't. It didn't seem like an option. 178 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:24.199 It seemed like disrespectful to turn things down or like bitchy, 179 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.480 Like if somebody's like, oh, you want to shoot for instance, 180 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.759 Reality Kings and if you say no, then you know, 181 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:31.240 Reality's difficult to deal with. 182 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.160 Yeah you're one of those or whatever like that. I 183 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.040 get that. It's funny, you know, in a woman and 184 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.480 a woman industry type of that, it's like you don't 185 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.680 want to you want to be successful and be a boss, 186 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:41.439 but you also don't want to teeter line and step 187 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.439 on anybody's toes. Right, So it's a really hard you know, 188 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.160 shift has changed, but it's like it's cool, and I 189 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:49.160 think in an essence of finding yourself in these times 190 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:52.040 is because those are things that should be already been 191 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.720 doing it already, right. Yeah, you also weren't in the 192 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:56.920 place to really receive those things. Is because you also 193 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:58.680 are just getting your name out there and you know, 194 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:00.879 being who you are. But you know, it's cool that 195 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.160 you've shifted back into what you're wanting to do. Yes, 196 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.959 take the power back, girl. So what do you see 197 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.360 yourself doing with all of that now? I just really 198 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:12.480 want to give Do you want to shoot or produce 199 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:14.040 for more companies? Direct from our companies? 200 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.800 Yeah? Yeah, I feel like I feel like I've done 201 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.800 all of the things on my most of the things 202 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.959 on my bucket list. So I'm like good on the 203 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.600 fucking in front of camera. I might, you know, make 204 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.800 a debut or whatever for like things that tickle my fancy, 205 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:28.879 but for the most part, like I'd like to see 206 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:32.320 other people that I've seen not be in certain roles 207 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:34.519 you know that I think deserve it. There's a lot 208 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.559 of women that get like kind of like a princess 209 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.200 treatment and like constantly get like the top spot. And 210 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.679 I've seen other girls just like waiting on the sidelines forever. 211 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.440 So do you think that is that dynamic? 212 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.519 I think our industry is afraid to change the norm. 213 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:51.919 Like if they get good numbers on like stepsisters, fucking 214 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.399 step brothers, and they don't want to shift from that, 215 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:55.440 They'll stick to that till. 216 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.679 The politics is yeah, the politics. 217 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.759 And I'm not political, So I just want to come 218 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:01.799 in here and like disrupt that. 219 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.159 Your job, do your thing, Yeah, do your job. 220 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.919 I see girls that should have got perfect attendance, you know, 221 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.000 and then they show up they're here, and I'm just 222 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:09.879 like I want to see you. 223 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:12.240 Yeah. And that's the difficult part about being like so 224 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.519 much in a women empowerment type of situation too. It's 225 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.159 because even like with the av and awards and everything 226 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.039 like that, so it's a female performer of the year, 227 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.120 and everybody strives to do that. But it's like no matter, 228 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.320 you know, in myself, I was, you know, a top 229 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.480 performer in all kinds of things, but I never want it. 230 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.360 I was talking it in some years in my top years, 231 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.000 I was never even nominated for it, which at that 232 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.840 time I couldn't fathom of why that happened, but it 233 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.200 also too made me realize then it's like it doesn't matter. 234 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.879 Everybody's doing a good job. No one can like, yes, 235 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:41.480 we do like different scenes and like different genres or whatever, 236 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.799 and that's okay, but nobody fucks it better than anybody else. 237 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.080 So it's like, how do you pacify certain things? And 238 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.000 that's why it's like almost kind of like favoritism or 239 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.240 politics sometimes and those things. Not saying that these people 240 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.840 don't deserve it, because they do, but I also think 241 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.600 that it's it should be the love should be spread 242 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.679 about more, I guess, and not so much, you know, 243 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.360 one sided. I feel like sometimes can be that way. 244 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:03.200 And then a lot of years, even since I've been yes, 245 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:04.919 since it's been a while since I've even been in 246 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:06.240 that category. 247 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.039 Right, Yeah, I mean I've been here for I think 248 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:09.960 it's safe to say, like ten years, and I've seen 249 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.840 that repetition happen like for the last decade, you know, 250 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.120 And I'm like, I know it's been here before and 251 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.080 it's probably going to continue in the future, which is 252 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.960 fine as long as I can give people a place 253 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.360 to feel proud of what they're what they're in, or 254 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.679 what they're performing in. Then then that makes me feel 255 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:28.600 better as a performer. 256 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:30.720 What did you think because of you know, recently just 257 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:32.879 AVN passed and now it was the first time ever 258 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.440 because of coding my name, it was virtual. Did you attended? 259 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.639 Did you like it? Did you see like? What? What 260 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:40.720 did you think about that? And and do you think 261 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.000 that that's the wave of what award shows are going 262 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.159 to be? No? I did. 263 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:48.519 I didn't want to personally attend, Like I didn't want 264 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.799 Anna Fox's name to be shown as attending for AVIN 265 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.440 because in my the way that they've personally treated me, 266 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.960 I didn't think they deserved me to be there. So 267 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.240 instead I went over my best friend's house, slow to 268 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.080 Slane shout out bitch, and we drank wine and just 269 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.480 sat in the corner on the laptop and talked shit 270 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:06.480 about it. Which was very nice to be able to 271 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.480 speak and not have the person behind you because everybody's 272 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.159 talking shit at av and anyway, you know, but you're 273 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.600 like have to be quiet because the director you're talking 274 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.519 about is behind you, or the bitch is over there, 275 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.799 you know, whoever. So it was very nice to be 276 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:25.279 able to like see it and yeah my feet were 277 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:27.559 sucked up. Yeah, our own little pillow talk. Our feet 278 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.240 weren't fucked up. I felt some type of way because 279 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.759 they did nominate more people of color than ever before 280 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.320 and like less had one. And then the people of 281 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:38.440 color that did win were like, like, what do you 282 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.440 mean this is like a huge win for us, And 283 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.559 I'm like, if you've seen how we've been treated through 284 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.360 like the past, today, yesterday, tomorrow, and this makes you proud, 285 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:49.720 then so be it. But I feel differently, you know, 286 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.360 And I just want a van to put their money 287 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:53.200 where their mouth is. 288 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.200 You say, AVI and how they've treated you, How can 289 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.960 you talk about that more into how the personally Tony 290 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:01.799 from Avian put a meeting together with black performers at 291 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.399 the beginning of the pandemic to just have open discussion 292 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.200 about like how do you guys feel being represented? 293 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.200 And we were it was very passionate. We were like, 294 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.879 we don't think, we don't feel like you care, you know, 295 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.200 And he basically said he didn't want to talk to 296 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.120 us anymore, and he was like, we don't want to 297 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.840 have a black host Fabian And then twenty four hours 298 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.279 later he changed his mind, which kind of undercut everything 299 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.039 that we said, you know, like you what we just 300 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.960 like people were crying and asking him to change things, 301 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.759 and he changed he didn't and then changed it. So 302 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:30.879 it was like what the fuck? 303 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.320 Like, yeah, why did we feel like you were heard 304 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.120 after what you said? It's like why ask us if 305 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.759 you're not going to change anything or make. 306 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:38.399 A change, right, So it kind of felt like a 307 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:42.039 slap in the face personally, and it felt weird just 308 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:44.159 because I felt like Tony's a gay man, so I 309 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.879 thought he would be able to like understand more where 310 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.679 where we were coming from, but instead he was offended 311 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.679 and for us telling him what he asked us to 312 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:54.159 tell him. 313 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.320 So just basically, what am I doing wrong? What I'm 314 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:57.279 telling you my truth? 315 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.360 Yeah, we're not going to like performers have been silenced 316 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.480 a lot lately, and like the COVID and the shutdown 317 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.679 has given us platforms to talk. And when he asked 318 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.919 people to speak, you should listen and like, you know, 319 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.120 do something about it. Don't just like listen and then 320 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.840 turn it off and that's it, you know, like do something, 321 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.159 you know, let them know that you heard them. And 322 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.960 that really, really wasn't reciprocated, and the way that he 323 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.759 thought he did well was by giving us here the 324 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.840 hope to host it. And I was like it didn't 325 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:29.399 seem fair, you know, So I just personally didn't and 326 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:30.679 that didn't really appreciate it. 327 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.440 And that's fair, you know what I mean. I feel like, 328 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.279 you know, at that time, it's like when you're being 329 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:37.399 asked how you feel, then why would not listen? You 330 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:38.879 know what I mean? And it's you know, it's one 331 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.919 of those things. It's time for change. If any not now, 332 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:44.320 then why you know, it's more time than ever right now. 333 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.440 Yeah, we literally had a break to think, like a 334 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:48.960 time off. We've been on time out. 335 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:50.960 Well, hopefully things change with that. 336 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.279 They will, they are. I see things changing. It's not 337 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.480 all bad, you know. It's just like my point of 338 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.320 view is just a little bit more aggressive because I'm 339 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.360 in my corner. So but it's still not bad. You know. 340 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.240 It was a big step for them to even talk 341 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.240 to us and to hear us and to like feel embarrassed. 342 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.600 You know, these are things that need to happen, like people, sure, 343 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:10.919 and if you don't speak up about it, then that 344 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:12.720 thing's ever going to change, right, and at that time, 345 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.320 if that wasn't the time it's going to happen. It's 346 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.159 you have to keep on speaking up. You can keep 347 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.440 on showing up until that you know, something does change. 348 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.039 You know, it's not fair to have that inequality of 349 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:22.080 what it is exactly. 350 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:25.440 And then the talking, the discussions have made changes, big changes, 351 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:29.799 like expis forums. They're little talks throughout the summer and everything, 352 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.080 like I've seen, I found out a lot of things 353 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:33.799 about the industry I didn't even know. I didn't know 354 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:38.960 rates were so like scattered over body type and race 355 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:40.799 and weight or whatever, you know, and it's just like 356 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.879 enlightening or you know, and seeing people come together to 357 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.720 fix these problems is also like exciting, you know, like 358 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.279 seeing like new performer like activism and performers. 359 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.559 I think that's also a cool thing is because it's 360 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.080 like it's about evolving not only as a performer, but 361 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.039 in age of it too. Is like it starts to 362 00:14:58.320 --> 00:14:59.799 when you're young and when you start start you don't 363 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:02.240 worry about those things. You're just having fun. Literally don't 364 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.600 know the dynamics of what it really is rooted into 365 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.879 and what you're getting into bed with literally literally so 366 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.360 it's like you kind of have to navigate. And that's 367 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.159 why I feel like a lot of people didn't know 368 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:12.919 when to speak up or how to speak up, or 369 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.559 what to say and what and how you feelings validated 370 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:17.720 or anything like that. But again, you know, change, you know, 371 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:19.440 it has to happen where you know, the more we 372 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.840 talk about it, the more you know changes must what's 373 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:22.600 going to have to happen. 374 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.159 It's awesome, Like I'm super proud of everybody that spoke 375 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.799 up on whatever the issues were. You know, mine is 376 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.159 raced because I'm black. You know, this girl had that, 377 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.840 this girl had that, this guy had this, and everybody's 378 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.080 issues came up. They were so relevant, they were so heard. 379 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.519 Some things I wasn't even aware of, so it brought awareness. 380 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.559 And it's just like it's all for the greater good. 381 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.240 Like as everybody struggles in the same thing, and everybody's 382 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:47.759 you know, experience in the industry too, is very different. 383 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.720 What happens to me, it is different from the next girl. 384 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.480 And then you know even with dudes, Yeah, their situation 385 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:55.679 and their level of what they what they experience and 386 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.919 have to like go through is very different. Yes, do 387 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.360 you remember your first scene, your first time on set. Yes, 388 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.639 I super do it was lit? Can you tell private 389 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:05.240 talk about it? 390 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.840 Yes, it was for Reality Kings. I played Hide and 391 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.240 Go Get It, and I forget the director's name, but 392 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.200 it was a woman, and I just thought it was 393 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.240 so cool to have like a woman with a camera, 394 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.320 Like you know, the camera person gets like intimate when 395 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.639 you're in the sex scene and she's like at one 396 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.320 point like literally standing over us, getting over the top 397 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.159 shot and I was just like looking up at her 398 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.919 and the guy it was Michael Baker. Look. Yeah, it 399 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.360 was just like pretty exciting. Like I thought it was 400 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:32.519 weird for myself that I wasn't nervous to have sex 401 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.919