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spoiler overalls of these episodes. This Sweet Kirkland, How did
you feel?
Speaker 2: Yeah, not really much to say non spoilers, just because
I think there's a lot of heavy plot stuff going
on and these these bundle of three episodes that we
got here. But uh, the one thing I can say
is I am continuing to absolutely adore this show. I
think it's so amazing and uh yeah, no, it's it's
basically everything I wanted out of a out of a
spider Man show. Yeah, so I think they're doing such
a great job with this and I just I feel
like I'm just a glutton right now. I'm so happy
that every episode has been like a solid thirty minutes
as well, Like I feel like we get a lot
of time, yeah, just just digesting the content and it's
it's fantastic. The animation. I feel like I can't even
see the studying now. It's it's weird how that happens. Uh,
you know, I would watch The Dragon Prints on Netflix
and it has that like three D animation, and I
would like watch the show hate the animation because it's
it's like kind of study like that. And then I'd
get in, like, I don't know, a couple episodes in,
and then I just wouldn't see like the studying of
it at all anymore. And then but yeah, and then
I'm getting the exact same thing with it with this one. Now,
I feel like I'm I'm really actually enjoying the animation,
the art designs. It's just fantastic. I think all the
colors pop really well, some really really great character development
stuff going on, some really juicy things that are going on,
and uh yeah, I think they're just doing a really
good job at making it feel like a true, you know,
friendly neighborhood Spider Man story where he's just fighting crime
in his neighborhood, but like really and not just have
a fresh coat of paint on it, but like really evolve.
I think some of the familiar stories that at least
I'm familiar with and like really not like rewrite them,
but like, yeah, I guess we write them to a
certain extent, but like just add like a modern twist
or flare on it that just makes it feel really
original even though there's like familiar names, if that makes
any sense. So yeah, I really really loving this show.
I'm really liking pretty much all of our characters that
we have, So yeah, no, I'm like this is even
more so than last week. I feel like last week
was just such a nice surprise on oh man, there's
like it's really it's really awesome. You know, it met
my expectations. Now it's like, oh man, like they're continuing
to just exceed my expectations that they're able to do
with the show. And yeah, I'm digging it. I'm I'm
two thumbs all over this this one. So yeah, I'll
pass it there because I just want to jump into
some juicy stuff that came out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty much on the same hype train
as you are. I think that they're they're just dishing
out every week so far, and I really love the
I really love this narrative and I love how last
week it ended on a pretty big cliffhanger and so
here we are and just following following off from that,
and it's, uh, yeah, it's just it's there's a lot
of there's a lot of dynamics in here that I
am really really enjoying. I don't know this Rowan normals
gona talk about a thumbnail. We got a thumbnail on there,
so I don't know what he's talking about. It's a
great thumbnail too, But yeah, I think I think so
far what's going on with these characters is great and
just how their relationships are evolving, and I think things
really picked up on these couple of episodes here. But yeah, overall,
I think that we're in a full swing now with
what's going on. And I'm actually really liking one dynamic
a lot more than I was expecting to enjoy between
two characters. I was thinking I wasn't gonna be very
fond of it because I just I know what one
character is in the I mean not from like, I'm
sure there is a dynamic here where there this relationship
between two characters in some comic book is much like this,
and this is not the first time we've seen this
kind of friendship unfold. But for me, I only have
the one the one example of their relationship to look at,
and it just it's not a positive relationship. So I
don't have much of a backstory of basis on these characters.
And so that's where I think, Okay, this is cool
just to see this different spin on this, even though
it's very similar to a story we've already seen. But again,
I'm it's hard to really all along with what I'm
putting down because I'm being so mysterious speak speaking of riddles. Yeah,
so I'll just bring it up when we get into spoilers.
But Yeather, than that, I think it's a great show,
and I think anyone that it just if you love
Spider Man, you've got to be watching the show. And
if you're a big fan of Marvel, another reason, just
get into this show because it's super frickin awesome. I
think it's continuing off of this hot streak that we
had with X Men ninety seven. Yeah, just coming off
of that. So anyways, we're gonna get this some spoilers. Now,
So where do you want to start? You want to
go episode episode? Do you want to combine everything and
just get into it.
Speaker 2: Where do you feel you can go episode by episode?
I mean, I feel like I usually bleed into you know,
other episodes when I do it this way, but I'll
try my best to keep it contained. But yeah, Episode three,
Secret Identity Crisis, Peter deals with the fallout of his secret.
Oh yeah, of his secret revealed. Meanwhile, Lone's perfect life
falls apart. Yeah, I mean, starting basically where we uh
left off from from last week. We start with just
Peter interacting with Norman, and I will set like I
feel like we were predicting what could have how that
interaction was going to go. I feel like you mentioned
him like being really I don't know, cordial towards him,
and like, yeah, you say, my my son, and like,
I'm really just a fan of what you're doing. I
think you said that on the review if I remember
that correctly, And that's basically exactly what he did. He's like, Yeah,
I just want to support what you're doing and give
you basically a blank check like the the Oscorp funds
to do all these things and and let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's be the friends.
Speaker 2: By the way, oh man, Yeah, like fifty bucks for.
Speaker 1: Like chicken shank or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's all one seventy five, and one of them, Peter
got a few, so he was his feasted. I respect it.
He did say, you know, help yourself, but yeah, I know,
I was just surprised that it was going this way
because I I pretty much I feel like every time
I've seen Norman it's been pretty nefarious from from the
get go. And you know, of course, like Willem Dafoe's version,
like he starts friendly towards Peter, but I don't know,
I just feel like it's so hard to look past
like the crazy goblin of what that character becomes. I
don't I don't really ever see him as being like
like a longer period of time working with Peter, or
at least that he knows like the Spidy identity. I
think just all of those factors together was really surprising,
and I'm really digging it. I like it. I don't
think it's gonna last forever. I definitely think something's gonna happen. Yeah,
we'll get into that, so, but yeah, I think something
is going to happen that turns him to maybe the
extreme that will lead to Peter clashing with him and
potentially Harry as well. But uh, yeah, I just think
the initial setup of Norman being kind of the guy
in the chair and like pretty much doing like what
Tony does for Tom Hollands Spider Man, of having like
the Stark tech. Now he's got the oz Corp tech
where he can have these these fancy suits and uh, yeah,
I wasn't this episode where they do the the suit mashups.
But the next episode I thought that was really fun
and uh just kind of trial running all the suits,
I was really good. And yeah, I think just because
Norman is such a such an intense individual at least
just how he's portrayed in the different iterations of of
of I almost said Peter Pan of Peter, Peter Parker
and Spider Man. I think I just really expected him
to be very villainous right of the gate. And I
I like the the nice guy Norman, I I like,
I like the twist that it has.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I did too, I think. And this is
the relationship I was alluding to where I don't know
any other relationship between Norman and Peter side of the
Raimi films, where you just have, like he said, this
very nefarious, nefarious and evil sinister goblin who's just like
attack his heart kind of living his daily motto. So
it's really nice to see this different take on him.
And I'm not even getting this, Oh he's just Norman
Osbourne Tony Stark kind of vibe. He feels very much
different from Tony Stark and the way he admires Peter,
where Tony Stark was, Hey, I want you to be better. Like, yes,
Tony gave him a suit and was letting him do
his thing, but it's just a it's a very different
type of support where this guy's like, hey, whatever you want,
name it and it's yours, where Tony was like, hey, like,
I know you want to be more and you're naming
all these things you want, but you got to earn it,
you can't just have it. So there's two different levels
of guidance here, and I like that we're getting this
different take on it. And again we're getting a very
reluctant Peter when it comes to it too, which which
I like. He's only only doing it because he sees
all these past do bills on at May's desk and
he wants more of those lamb shanks or chicken viewers
wherever he's ordering. So there's some of that, but yeah,
everything with the with the suits is that was a
lot of fun. That was really cool. I like that,
and I like how it's paralleling too, which we'll get
more into a Lonnie right his kind of dynamic. It
seems like both him and Peter are on this this
pathway forward, but opposite ends of the of the spectrum,
I guess from each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a that's a big, big tragedy that's
going to be coming to us, but we won't we
won't talk about that yet. What else happened in this episode?
So yeah, they they're working together. You get introduced to
two interesting individuals, like the couple, basically the Bonnie and
Clyde individuals that have I don't know. I think initially
when I saw like the electricity attached to the property,
I'm like, oh, is this gonna be like a shocker
or something like that twist on the character. But no,
it just seems like they got some tech, which I
would imagine is from mister doctor Octavius himself, who we
I don't think it was this episode. We see him
a little bit later on, but yeah, I know, it
was really sweet shots like when they're popping off and
attacking Peter. I just thought the animation design was just
so beautiful. I thought it was like Chef's kiss, the
way that she was just dancing around with the with
the blades, and just the effects of him like dodging
all their attacks. Like just yeah, I completely was eating
my words when any criticisms that I had on the
animation choice. I just think it fits so well in
those actions scene and it just looks so beautiful with
the uh yeah, just like the neon lights that they had.
So it was a cool little like, you know, b
villain to have Spider Man kind of dealing with. And
then of course out of that it was revealed that, yeah,
maybe he's better off having someone in his ear, you know,
like providing some support being that person in the chair.
So yeah, I liked all of that for many different reasons.
But yeah, I thought it was a fun you know,
lower tier villain to clash with our Spider Man here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I thought I thought at first
that it was it was well, I was trying to
figure out who the bad guy was that was supplying
them this stuff, and of course after the fact, when
we see who's really behind it, it makes sense. But
it was just super weird when they put the money
in the dumpster and then this thing grows arms and
crawls up the building and walks away. Its like, this
seems very counterproductive. There was their case with their weapons
in it, so that was that was that. But yeah,
I felt like they could have been a little bit smarter.
They felt like really dumb criminals because like Spider around
was their cops. They're like, Oh, we're gonna go hit
some more stores and robberies. It's like, man, you guys
gotta like hit one and bounce and like play this
off tactically. But that was not the case. He was
basically like Quicksilver, and she was like I don't even
know what you call her an equivalent of, but she
was slashing, he was running.
Speaker 2: Kind of her her blades kind of remind me of
Silock from X then the purple neon blade things, and
then yeah, I definitely like Quicksilver. My mind was going, like,
I think it's McCary from h from Eternals, like the
Fast Lady m Yeah, she didn't protect for that, but anyways,
cool anything else on that, I was gonna talk about
the Lonnie stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, that was just enclosing. I just I liked
when Norman just chimed in there and he was like
walking at every street Camel Spider Man, and it's like
I tapped into your radio, my satellite, and I'm gonna
help you do this. Spider Man like just caught me
off guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I And like I pretty sure this is
where he was talking about the Cecovia Chords and everything
that was going on too with the Avengers. I thought
that was really cool them just talking about that, even
though this is like a like a different multiverse or whatever.
I just think it's such a cool thing that like
we're in this era of the MCU. That's like it's
so established that like they could be talking about something
like this going on, and even if it is a
different multiverse, like we know exactly what that means. You know.
It's it's like you're reading a comic book and they're
addressing something that happened in like some completely different issue
that like had a it was a big event, but like,
well I don't know, I don't I don't know all
those deeds. Like it's just it's just kind of fun
when things like that get mentioned. It's like, well, I
know exactly about the Cecovia A Chords and the way
that they're talking about Cap, and like even Nico is like, yeah, though,
like I like, yeah, I always liked Cap, but like
even even what he's doing, I'm paraphrasing horribly, but just
basically making it a little bit of a great area
on like what a true good hero is and it's
not just a guy in a suit that saves a day.
Like even Norman is mentioning the Scovia Chords and how
if you're a super now like you have to actually
register and that's just kind of the way that the rules,
like how the law is played out in this universe.
So it's it's fun that we're still even though it's
differ multiverse, we're still staying true to like the rules
of I don't know, rules of engagement with how we
handle superheroes. I just thought it was a really fun
thing and I'm curious where it's gonna go and like
what extent of are we going to be, you know,
like having a Cap that's like on the run right now,
like in this timeline, Like is that the thing that
I'm not saying it's gonna be a big main villain
that we're interacting with. But like, is there gonna be
some crossover because of course that's happened in the past
and other animated shows X Men happen all the time.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, well said, uh, it is funny how
the Secovia Accords is like that, that familiar crossover point.
You think they would change it up the dynamic of
a little bit, Like, I mean, the the Avengers the
same in this universe, could be different members. The Cycovia
Accords could have been a different thing, where like maybe
Tony is the one who opposes it in caps on
that side of it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we don't know all the details. Well, actually
they did mention that like Cap did it to help
out his buddy, so then that would be pretty much
the same disease. I mean, everything that they're painting it
out to be seemed to be pretty identical to uh,
the good old six one six, Timeline and even Ultron.
They mentioned Ultron how they built it and then they
had to destroy it, and it was just like, yeah,
self inflicted injury essentially, So it seems pretty true, although
obviously there's character differences.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing when we never see Norman in
the six one six, aside from the one pulled from
the Raimy Verse. Yeah, so, I mean, as far as
I know, like this whole universe could fit. Just the
difference obviously is that this Peter Parker is not the
same Peter Parker as the one in six one six
based on his suit, his starter suited and then obviously
the advanced suits that he's got now. But it I mean,
it would otherwise track, at least in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he was in the Multiverse movie somewhere,
you know that, or the Spider Verse movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, was this one in the Spider Verse movie.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying you could probably like stop a
frame and there'd be like a million Spider Man on
the screen, be like, oh, he's probably in there at
some point.
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
Speaker 2: Even going forward, like beyond this, I could very much
see some of these characters pop into the next Spider
Verse movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or retroactively they just take the animation of
this one and just put him in there and the
movie is out streaming whatever. Really no, right?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah? Cool? Uh yeah, Lonnie here, you know he
has to rush home. This poor guy man, he just
seems like such a standout guy. He's helping out his buddy.
He's super pumped that they're agatting a plus's they're buying.
He's buying Peter's lunch for him, sacrificing his own nutrition
for it, and then gets the call us to go home,
way to the world on his shoulders. Gets home, you know,
the police are the front doors. Younger brothers getting into
some gang related activities and he has to go save
his brother and basically just do a trade, sign a
deal with the devil with his brother's you know, freedom
for himself. He's part of the ten Street Gang or
the one ten Gang or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's a weird name. I couldn't tell you. One hundred
and tenth or something like that.
Speaker 2: The five oh first, we'll just call it. But yeah,
he's part of this gang now, and I don't think
it's gonna be something that he's ever gonna get out
of now. You know, Like at the end of the
last episode there, they gave him his tombstone name, which
I was curious what type of villain he was gonna
eventually become, not that I know called it right away
that he's going to be a villain, but just with
how it was progressing from this episode throughout the next
two episodes as well, I just assumed it's gonna be
like a very tragic like villain origin story or something.
And then yeah, I was just curious if it was
going to be I don't know, a Prowler or like
one of those characters. But we got Tombstone, which is
pretty b TI your villain. In my mind, maybe I'm
missing out on some like really deep Tombstone story, but
this might go down is the deepest Tombstone villain arc
of all time. So what do you think about this?
I know it crosses over throughout the whole next episodes,
but we're just kind of talking about him anyways, So
whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, my only ties to this character is the
brief appearance in these Spider Man across the Spider Verse.
I guess not into the Spider Verse movie because he
appears in there with Kingpin. That's it. I do not
know much else about this character, but he has a
villain in Uh Spider Man two? Is he not?
Speaker 2: Uh? Are you talking about he's like the first the
first one. I didn't in the first one. For the
second one.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm getting my facts wrong. I've not played either
of them, so I.
Speaker 2: Can okay, he's definitely in the first one for sure.
I just can't okay, I don't think he's in the
second one, okay, pretty much, saying though, he's like he's
like kind of a b villain, like he's he's not
the main head hauncho, which he never really is.
Speaker 1: M m. Yeah, he's just kind of second to the
big boss, uh, which is what he is here too.
I mean, he's not the big boss. He's seems like
he's making his way up there.
Speaker 2: Could go that way. They could very much go that way.
Speaker 1: He could go that way. Yeah, I don't know. I
don't know how exactly I feel about about him. I
liked him being a good guy because he was having
like a good time and he was definitely he was, yeah,
trying to buy lunch and you know, card was being
declined and afford it all that jazz.
Speaker 2: Fucking lunch lady, Like, just let him take it, man,
like Jesus, Yeah, Like, this guy's clearly down on his luck.
Just let him take the fucking slog whatever the hell
they're they're eating there.
Speaker 1: I'm super pissed. At the brother though. I mean, he
gets arrested by the cops and then Lonnie goes into
his room and he's gone. He just goes back to
what play cards and go Fish's fucking den Like what
is this kid?
Speaker 2: He'll never catch me here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. So it's just like he's right done.
But even then, so like in the situation, he's like,
oh yeah, he doesn't want to go, but then Lonnie
convinces him. He's like okay, okay, fine, and then Lonnie,
you know, he gets caught, like oh, I'll offer myself
up instead, and then his brother's like, no, I want
my brother, let's go. Let's go, Like oh god damn.
Then even when the guy they say like, oh, your
brother seeked us out, all this kind of stuff just
mumbo jumbo. Just that bothers me. But now here Lonnie
is Lonnie is now remember the gang.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's why it hurts so much, right,
And I think that's why in the end, it's gonna
be such an amazing arc that we're gonna go on
with this character and amazing in the It's gonna be
well written but horrible to witness and see, just because
it seems like he really is that strong pillar of
his family. Like he just seems like he's the he's
the one anyone can lean on, put all the weight
on his shoulders, and he's able to just do it.
I mean, he's doing that in so many aspects of
his life, whether it's a yeah, his family life, his sports,
his athletics, he's got scholarship which is gonna go away.
You know, He's like good old Deborah Morgan in Dexter
Original Sin, you know, like just saying about it, like
they got this really nice pathway to get out of
a certain situation, but that's just not gonna be the reality.
And then like what's if he goes full villain now?
And like I'm not saying he's ready to go murder people,
but like it seems like this was a big step
in that direction of him starting to maybe see a
seek solace or family or support or something with this gang,
or maybe just admiration, which is I don't know now
that I say that, Like it's nothing he didn't already have,
whether it was at school or friends or family or
anything like that. I don't know. So, yeah, I need
a little bit more screen time. I guess between him
and the gang and like what draws him away from
like being the good guy to being the bad guy,
Like if he's just forcing the situation, I mean, the game,
the name Tombstone, I imagine there's gonna be more that
comes out of it from that. But yeah, I just
think it's a really interesting start to Tombstone's career here.
And I'm very interested in what's gonna happen next because
if if next episode happens and he's just like a
dick to Pearl and he's like a dick to Peter
and like it's so like unwarranted, then I'm gonna have
to like obviously dock up points from that way. I
just think what they're setting up it has potential to
be a really really compelling villain arc.
Speaker 1: I hope we don't get that scene where you know,
he does something to Pearl and Peter's like, Lonnie, what's
going on man? And he turns like names not Lonnie,
so like something super corny like that. No, I want
to fight you, Lannie.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to fight me neither.
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of that, none of that, Yeah, none of that.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 1: Let's let's jump to a quick ad break here before
we carry on and we are back Where were you
sending us there? Kirk?
Speaker 2: Next episode number four hitting the big time, we got
Peter and Norman work through creative differences while Lonnie undergoes
a loyalty test. So yeah, this is the big suit
mash up episode, which I just thought was lots of
lots of fun. I love the way that it started
with Peter just doing his like super like socially anxious
way of of doing his science pitch to the Good
Dog for Women and him just tear it apart and like,
you know, to doctor Women's like credit. Like he is
basically teaching Peter that, like, to be in this field,
like you do have to talk loud and like confident
your ideas because there's always going to be the loud
professor in the room that's just criticizing whatever you have.
And if you don't believe in what you have, like
how are you supposed to sell it to someone to
like invest in it? So I actually really really like
that scene from that character's perspective. And then I mean
there's some good comedy in here that sprinkled out, but
I just love the sequence when Peter leaves like, Okay,
it's kind of weird that Norman's always asked for Peter.
But whatever, he leaves and then amideas show comes up,
he's like, all right, Peter, get ready to take some
notes on your way out, and then he just has
like the dance music like playing, and he's just like
doing like a super I don't know, you're seeing parks
and rec Do you know Tom Haverford when he does
this whole like like just Big Entertainment twenty seven, whatever
the hell it's called. Yeah, uh, And just like the
those types of shows with just the loud music, that's
what it reminded me of him doing his science. He
pitched there and it it just made me laugh. I'm
really loving the comp like the whole show is in
comedy throughout. I think the way that it's used though,
it's really effective. For me. I find this show really
really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I like that scene with the Professor
Whitman and him just thrilling the shit out of Peter.
But it's funny because Peter, while he's quiet here and
he's mumbling when he's his alter ego is Spider Man,
He's the jokes are on point as puns, he's landing it,
he's loud, he's vocal, and he's he's such a different character.
And then yeah, he turns back into like bumbling Peter
Parker and whatnot. I think even when he's talking to Norman,
he has that bumbling like d D with just being
Peter Parker. But I think it was again last episode
where Norman's in his office and Peter just is hanging
upside down, is like.
Speaker 2: Hey Norman, and Norman's like, wow, what.
Speaker 1: Do you scare the shit out of him? So stuff
like that. Yeah, it's that humor is very funny and
just those differences between the two of them. But uh, yeah,
I'm liking everything. I'm glad that we're seeing more of
Peter back at Ozcorp and him just kind of sticking
around there and it's gonna lead to some fun, fun stuff.
And Harry was the next episode. They brought him into
the fold or this one.
Speaker 2: At the end of this one, the end of this one,
right right, Yeah, and then after that we get the
suit sequence. I mean, it's a big part of this episode.
He's trying out and I did like that actually, like
he was doing certain crime fighting, like with a suit on.
It wasn't just like a mashup of him just trying
like a shit ton of suits, like he really, you know,
gave it a go, and just the whole breakdown of like,
you know, you got great demographics with this look. It's
like I have demographics like this is amazing. So just
that side of it I thought was really fun. Very
I was very much thinking of The Incredibles though when
I first saw that suit. I'm like, man, capes, like
capes is never a good idea. And then yeah, first
first sequence, this is just good humor. It seems like
the exact same like bully robber guy from the earlier episode,
the guy with the glasses that takes the lady's purse,
and then you know, Spider Man dealt with him pretty
easily first time round comes down here with the cape,
gets caught and then they just beat him like a pinota.
I just laugh when he's like, are those those help
me get down? Like just they're doing really good job
with all the quirks that Spider Man's delivering or equip sorry,
not quirks QUI So I thought all that was lots
of fun. And then yeah, you just went through the
different suits was there one night. He liked a lot
that you're you're bummed he's not gonna try.
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, like I his original jersey, look,
it really really grew on me. I don't like how
his webshooters got the cores dangling from that, but I
just love his his jersey a lot. But to be honest,
I think that his suit that he he ended up
going with at the end, I was driving with it. It's
like a reverse venom color scheme. Is that what is
actually called the anti Venom?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So in like Spider Man two in that game,
that's like the last well, I don't know if it's
the last suit that you get, but that's like a
big story suit that he gets, like the anti Venom suit,
and it looks pretty much identical to that. I think
it's like a little bit more biochemical in nature the
one in the game versus this one, but the color
schemes like identical. And there is a character called anti
Venom that it's the same thing. He's like all white
and then has like black detailing. So it's just the
reverse of venom.
Speaker 1: So is this supposed is that the only reason why
it's called anti venom is because the reverse color scheme
or does it actually have like reverse preventative symbiote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like story reasons. I think the one in
the game is might be different. Sorry, it might differ
a little bit from the like comic book rendition of it.
I'm not too familiar with that version more so just
what I played through the game. But yeah, the game
it's like it's made to defeat symbiote essentially, But yeah,
I'm not too sure. And obviously there's no mention of
that at all in this It was just just a
cool looking suit. And I'm such a sucker for different
outfits and suits. Obviously the games do that so well.
There's such a great variety of suits in there, So
I yeah, I just love seeing this little mashup and
the next spidy game, Like, man, let's get all these
suits in there, let's do it. The Cape one too.
Speaker 1: The Cape one, Yeah, well, that that dusk one that
reminded me kind of like night Monkey.
Speaker 2: A little bit, Yeah, very night Monkey.
Speaker 1: The one, the Hornet one, that one seemed a little
bit it gave me ant Man vibes in a weird way.
But like maybe like more RoboCop vibes.
Speaker 2: M with like the the helicopter thing that he on
his Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the Prodigy one. That one just felt very I
mean it's very cool, but very far from Spider Man.
That just felt like a doctor strange.
Speaker 2: I love though, just like the like just the banga
that they had between the two of them, and it's
like it's like, am I even Spider Man anymore? It's like, well,
what's what's making you stay Spider Man? You know, like
like we can basically think about like the marketing of
this guy, Like you know, you got the gyro copper
thing that you can just fly around with, which just
completely defeats the idea of him being Spider Man. It's just, yeah,
some some good humor in there for me. Mm hmmmm hm.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I already said I love the look of all
the suits. I thought they were really fun. I love
the sequence when the little girl loses her balloon. I
don't even I'm assuming this is like a very iconic
Spider Man thinks to me, it's very iconic, but uh,
like the little there's always like a little kid losing
like a red balloon. I'm more familiar with the balloon actually,
being like a Spider Man balloon and then and I
think it's iconic just because I've seen a Spider Man
sorry a Venom Colm book cover of him like basically
preying on like a child losing a balloon like that,
So like just that that imagery is really iconic to me.
I think it appeared in the Ultimate Spider Man Game
two back in the day, and it was great to
just see because it's always attributed to me like a
really like monster like event that's going on. And then
of course it progressed into Spider Man looking like a monster.
It's like here you go a little girl, he's a
balloon and she's just like screaming in his face, like
get away from my child, you freak. Like it was
just again more humor that was working for me.
Speaker 1: I did not know there's this whole backstory of the
balloon situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like again like maybe I'm making it into
a bigger thing than it is, but just to me,
it's just every time I see a balloon, I'm like
waiting for venom or something to appear. So it's, uh,
just just some great imagery there, but nice, Yeah, what
else do we have in this episode? We had Lonnie
doing his Jimmy Chonga run to Lafrescas. At first, I
thought this female lady was gonna be like Scorpion, like
this version of Scorpion that they're gonna gender bend them
just because she has the you know, scorpion tattoo. It's
revealed that that's the gang Scorpions. And we actually have
a Mac Gargain I think is what they called him,
and uh, yeah, he wasn't really in this episode. Is
more so just pretty much just having Big Dawn get
Lonnie to go on this little just death trip essentially
right like it just kind of put his name in danger.
Really dickish moved, but that's what gang leaders usually do.
And yeah, I don't know, not much else between them
beyond that. Oh, we had the like the bank robbery
scene thing with which with a character that I'm like
ninety percent sure is the Rhino, like the driver character.
He's the exact same face that the original Rhino had
from like the sixties show and like the original comic books.
So I don't know, and I'm pretty sure the name
that they said is his like actual name, like the
character of the Rhino. I also just thought it was
kind of funny how he's driving the van that has
like essentially a Rhino horn on the front of it,
and he's like ramming through the vehicles. So I thought
that was just a fun little play on that. It's
not the last time we're gonna see that character, because
he's not dead or anything. You know, he's just going
away to prison. And they made a point of emphasis
like him in Spider Man or even now, like next
time I see you, you better not be uh, you know,
looking for trouble. But yeah, I'm like ninety percent sure
that is the actual Rhino character. And even if it's not,
I thought it was a fun little appearance. Wow, I
take that back. It better be the Rhino horn. I'm
gonna be disappointed. But yeah, anything on that scene or
those characters.
Speaker 1: Uh, I was trying to figure out the name. Uh
did you happen to know what the name was the character?
Speaker 2: I'll get it.
Speaker 1: I was curious here because I was looking at Matt
Gargan and just how he's connected like to Adrian Tombs
and and whatnot. I was curious what this guy's name
wasn't Hopefully, if they do Rhino, they make him very
much more comic book accurate in comparison to Craven's.
Speaker 2: Right, these are very Russian names. So one of them
is Mikhael cis Sevich Sisovich.
Speaker 1: I like, I got that accent in there too, when
you say it.
Speaker 2: Just comes out naturally the letters are aligned. And Dmitri
Smirdyakov Dmitri. That's that's not our boy, Craven, is it?
Speaker 1: That sounds he looks.
Speaker 2: Like a very Craven type character the way that he's drawn. Lease,
So like either Craven or who is Dmitri Chameleon? I'm
thinking of that movie now, and I swear there was
a Dmitri mentioned unless that was Papa.
Speaker 1: Oh, Dmitri is the k is a chameleon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so there you go. So I'm I mean,
it probably doesn't say their last names on there, but
I'm gonna say ninety percent sure Rhino is that character.
And then uh yeah, why not, let's get chameleon in there.
And we got the unicorn. Now that's not our lady. Oh,
and then there was another one like rock Sana or
something like that was the the fire Yeah, Roxana Volkov
that was the the other female in there. That one
like the punk hair but uh yeah, a gang of
you know, some misfits that they're not completely dispatched, and
I'm sure we won't be seeing the last of them
here m hm, yeah's got doc ok here at the
end too, with our one surviving character. Yeah, that's where
she gets the Unicorn hat thing.
Speaker 1: The helmet.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, okay, it's got everything on this episode. Yeah.
The next one is episode five Unicorn unleashed. Peter makes
a new friend. Meanwhile Lonnie finds himself in the sights
of a dangerous gang. Yes, that new friend, of course,
being Harry, mister Osborne's son that was revealed at the
end of episode four. We go to a nice little
spidy gang assembling here. Do you think we're gonna be
adding another character, like maybe a Nico Minoru in that
that mix. Ah, I think it's inevitable. I think it's inevitable.
Speaker 1: I think it's inevitable. I mean everyone else is learning
his identity. I mean he already had that vision. Well,
it was more like Norman just saying like like, oh,
I know your Spider Man, and then he was like
with Niko and she's like, oh, I know you're Spider
Man him, But that was him just kind of being
tormented by his own imagination a little bit. He's not
really doing a good job at keeping this a secret
because yeah, he horrible, Yeah, horrible. Harry found out last episode,
so I think it's only a matter of time before
Nico finds out as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of just hoping that happens because
I feel like the only relevance that that character has
is like anytime that Peter is like on screen with her,
other than like maybe she calls like, hey, why don't
you at this party with me?
Speaker 2: I'm pissed off, but not really, I'll see you tomorrow.
So I'm just interested in that character, so I want
to see more of her. So of course, to get
more screen time, I would want her to be involved
with the day to day actions of everything that's going on.
I mean, Harry kind of makes sense, I guess, because
we're mentioning Norman just you know, yeah, I'm using my
satellite to track you. I'm hacking in all these cameras,
Like how the fuck does this guy have time to
do this? You know, if he's like probably the busiest
man in the world, like running like one of the
biggest companies. How the fun does he have time to
just sit in at his office and watch Spider Man
fight crime and support him undisturbed, you know, like no
one like being around him or anything. So it makes
sense Harry will be helping out a little bit more
with that. But I would still love to see Nico
a part of the crew, just because she's an interesting
character and I'm really liking their version of her. I
think she's she's a fun character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Who do you think like we're gonna
get with? Well, do you think Pearl's gonna be the
one that's gonna be like connecting with Peter here? I
just I don't necessarily see it, but maybe because to
relationship wise, Yeah, yeah, yeah, romance wise, because like Nico
and Peter, they're just friends, Harry, they're just friends, so
that leavest Pearl. But I think, I don't know, with
Tombstone kind of like becoming Tombstone, maybe that ends their
relationship and Peter's left shoulder to cry on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm not really needing like a
love interests right now in the in the story, it's
always a fun dynamic I guess to have, especially with
Peter bean like fresh high school kids. He drops the
line to Norman with like the when he drops do
not disturb mode, you know, locks the whole room. It's like,
I need this for it bring ladies home. And he's like, well,
maybe one day when I when I actually do that.
But I don't know. I'm I'm like, I guess Pearl
could stick around. I feel like when the inevitable tragedy
of Tombstone happens, like she'll be really upset and then
Peter can be their kind of support her. But I
don't know, I just don't see much for like Pearl
going forward through throughout the show of being like an
interesting love interest, like especially when you're thinking of the
Gwenn Stacy's, the Mary Jane's. I mean, I'm just saying it.
You know, we got I'm ninety two percent sure we
got Sidney Moon out there swinging around trying to figure
out her own spidy powers right now and maybe getting
that aroma. So yeah, that would be my preferred ship
maybe if we were to go that road.
Speaker 1: But Norman's gonna be hooking Sydney Moon up with some
suits here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm nothing but time on my hands, not that
Harry's dealing with Spider Man. I'm just I'm hacking into
everything to find silk where the Sinney Moon character is. Yeah,
actually talking about Norman, I forgot to mention this. We
already talked about him, but I thought it was really
interesting him bringing the Cecovia accorded like attention to Peter
and just talking about like that's what Peter was thinking
out loud with of like well, should I like does
that involve me? Like, should I like basically declare that
I'm a superhero And it seems like Norman is very
much against that idea. He's like no, like, don't worry,
Like I got legal teams that can handle all this,
Like I think for now, we's just not worry about it.
I think that is probably like a big underlining maybe
you maybe like a I don't know, something that sticks
with Norman in the sense of like the Avengers initiative
isn't the right way to like stop crime or something,
and uh, maybe that would be like at an impasse
between the Avengers are bad, like like he's more on
the extreme side. Maybe Peters against that, and then maybe
that's what really breaks them apart. I don't know. Just
just the way that he was talking about the Avengers.
It just kind of planted a seed in my mind
of like, hm, I feel like this might be something
that he's pretty extreme on and it sticks with him.
But maybe I'm just reading into it. But I forgot
to mention that about Norman.
Speaker 1: I think you're you're onto something with that. I think
I think Norman probably likes the idea of having a
superhero under his own thumb, someone that he can, yeah,
not necessarily control, but someone that he can monopolize, where
as the government it basically has monopolized the Avengers with
the Cycovia Corps and other superheroes in general that have
to come forward declare their status right as a superhero.
So I think it gives Norman more power. And I
think Norman Osborne has always been a man after power,
and not always in an evil sense, but just because
he's he's the leader of Oscorp. Right, so that's just
that's his m O for the most part.
Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I was talking about Lonnie there.
We got a little bit of oh yeah, oh yeah,
we're starting with the Spider Man team. They're gonna be
working together. We got a little bit more hairy in
this episode. I like the sequence when Nico was like
interrogating Peter. It's like, how do you get how? Like
why that guy drive in your school? She's just like
shitting on the idea of him being like the celebrities,
Like why do you follow him? It's like, well, obviously
it's ironic, and I'm like, man, that is so funny.
I feel like I, I, you know, air quote ironically
follow certain individuals. I'm like, who the fuck would follow
this person? And then I find myself following them, So
that one struck deep Miss Nico. But it was a
funny scene nonetheless. And yeah, Harry's just a little bit
more popping around here. We learned that he's homeschooled, doesn't
really get much interaction sixteen years old. You're doing a
lot for a little sixteen year old. But yeah, he's
probably gonna be another one of her main cruise going forward.
What do you think about this version of Harry? Oh?
I like it.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a version that's kind of very very innocent. Again,
I like when he got saved in that first episode
by Peter spider Man. So I just think that this
is the baseline in the beginning of a good friendship.
And again, it's totally different from what I'm used to.
I'm used to Harry os when it's like I've nothing
left except Spider Man just just hating his guts, took
my father's love. Yeah, getting drunk and getting top. That's
the only version I know. So this is just a
great ulterior, ulterior alternative version. I just like seeing that.
I like knowing that Harry knows his identity and they're
they're a team. I would be totally down to see
Harry take up that mantle is Green Goblin Junior and
just get more of that Spider Man reaction where they're
both like teaming up against Sam Man and Venom you came.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at that scene when he's all like
fucking beaten up and bloody. He just looks up and Harry's.
Speaker 1: There, you can looks like just a.
Speaker 2: Cave a little sooner.
Speaker 1: What scene?
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. What else do we
have in here? Oh? Yeah, this is just more of
Lonnie basically making like, you know, go down this path,
stay with my football career, and like stay on that trajectory,
go down this path, and I'll never be able to
go to the NFL or anything like that, and he
chose crime and uh, I mean definitely not by his
choice or anything like that. But uh yeah, that was
a really hard scene to watch because it was just like, man, like,
all of this potential this guy could uh just have
going for him, it's just being pulled away from him.
And uh yeah, we didn't really see an interaction between
him or Dre, So I'm I'm really intrigued on how
that will go, and uh hopefully we actually get a
scene because that would be pretty crazy if we don't
get that addressed at all. Like Lonnie's just a death
sentence now he's got the Tombstone moniker and it's all
because of his younger brother trying to be a fucking
gangster or something in the streets. So yeah, yeah, I agree.
We had a big clash at the end gang Wars
basically Anchormen in the arm. Well it's Lonnie, right, Well
Lonnie saves him. Yeah, didn't he take it in the
arm though?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah he does. Sorry I thought I thought yeah,
because Big Donovan doesn't get hit at all.
Speaker 2: I think he like, yeah, I don't know, he's just
beating the ship out of guys, those giant clubs that
he's got for hands, And it's funny because like his
facial structure, it's like like he's a much bigger man
than what Uncle Aaron was in uh Spider verse, but
like that version of the Prowler, but like just his
like his head with the beard. I'm like, man, this
guy's kind of given me Prowler vibes for some reason.
He's got like a purple hoodie with it too. That's
where and like before we even got like a tombstone
or anything like that, I'm like, man, is Lonnie gonna
be a Prowler?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Are we getting Prowler in here? I feel like that's
a very Miles Morales like centered thing. But I don't know.
I think it could very much happen have a Prowler
in here. I really like that villain. So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna put like high percentage thoughts on
on who I think the Prowler could be or if
it's Big Donovan or whatnot. I kind of think the
Big Donovan's just going to remain that, like he's not
gonna be this this villain or anything like how Kingpin
is or another super villain. I think it's just kinda
be Lonnie that like grows into the next tier of
a villain out of this game. Yeah, but we'll see
what happens, Yeah, I sure will. Harry commented on the
suit at the end. It's very sterile, I think was
the word that they use for it. And then he's like, yeah, no,
like I really just want more red and blue, and
they're like like Captain America. And then I just found
it so funny how in this world, like he's a big,
big Captain America fan, and like they're red and blue
as well. I guess Captain America's got some white in there,
red white and blue. But I never once, like looking
at Spider Man, thought of like, man, it's kind of
like Captain America colors, Like never once until that he
mentioned it here, I'm like, oh wow, yeah, really red
and blue. But I don't know just the way that
it's designed. Usually I don't think of Captain America at all.
And I think Captain America, like Captain America without the shield.
Is that even Captain America just a super soldier, right
like unless he has the shield. I feel like that
is is the symbol that is Captain America. I mean
it is, it is his symbol. But uh yeah, anyways,
I'm just ranting about colors and supersuits here. But I
thought it was a funny scene and excited to see
that next version of the suit because it doesn't seem
like he's gonna be holding onto the white one for
a while.
Speaker 1: I agree. Cool.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it was just the clash between the
Unicorn lady and that we already talked about. Yeah, we
kind of talked about everything, the football, the Gang Wars.
Gargin was ready to fucking murder Lonnie right the street
with that claw. I thought that was pretty bold, but
he was gonna do it. But yeah, oh and then
just doc ok, we got a little bit more scenes
of him interacting with his lab rat guy, Like what's
his motivation here? He kind of talked about something, but
I misremember right now.
Speaker 1: I felt like he just wanted to take over the
city kind of a thing. Just the classic I think,
so he's not building the power of the sun in
the botmb of his hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that they have like the original design
for him though, like just just the and the suit
with the goggles like it's it's fantastic. I think it
looks so good. And again, like with the color palettes
that they have it it's it's like classically drawn but
with like a modern coat of pain on it. With
the just just the palette that they're using, and with
the animation, it looks phenomenal. So I I love me
some good doc oc And uh yeah, I'm excited to
see him get his his class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the arms come out, that'll be pretty cool.
I can't wait to see that fight scene, that fight scene. Yes,
it will be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting how we have like some villains that
are completely redesigned and then someone like that, it's like
just ripped right out of his original version. There's no
like special full like he doesn't have a different name.
He's the exact same down to the rope and goggles.
But I like it me too. I have nothing else
to say. I don't think I think we got it all.
I'm loving the show. I think it's fantastic. And yeah,
three episodes again next week. So this is kind of
the how they're going to end it here, because this
was five, so six, seven, eight, and then there's eleven episodes.
So yeah, it'll be two more batches, which is kind
of crazy, like two only two more weeks, like only
two more reviews that we'll have for the show. Next
week is the penultimate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a weird day. I'm to believe Travis
and Dylan will be there for that. They're behind me.
Speaker 2: Nothing five episodes back. It's just been you and me
doing reviews for the last three months. That's that's. I
don't know if I've been in a dream.
Speaker 1: Travis Fields, Travis comme out of retirement. What is this?
He's just here. I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, he's too busy pushing this channel or something. The MMX.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: He'll be there for Dex's original Sin with you because
I'll be nice. I'll be on hiatus then, but.
Speaker 2: I'll do the service of just hearing all of his
ante Arabian.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get fucking grilled like Peter and the Professor Wilcox.
I'll I got him good last night because the newscast
went on for like almost three hours and I dropped
that ye and holy shit, it scared him.
Speaker 2: He wasn't ready for it already.
Speaker 1: But yeah, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in
to this week's episode of keeyk first podcast review of
Spider Man. We will be back, as Kirkland alluded to
there next week to continue on with the spoilers review
of this fantastic show. So until then, you can find
us uh yeah, all over the interwebs, the interconnection, and
we'll see you soon.
Speaker 2: Have a good one bye.