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<v Speaker 1>Talking about WRESTLINGIA seven with mister Mooney. How are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I can't wait to talk about all those superstars

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<v Speaker 2>and stripes today. There's all about patriotism back then and

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<v Speaker 2>causing a lot of trouble and kissing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not something the w w F loves to do

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<v Speaker 1>that and you know e as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love the theme of this. Honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Some wrestlmanias just have like a big hey, we're a

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<v Speaker 1>big event. This one was, Man, I really want to

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<v Speaker 1>get an American flag right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And it was it was a time in

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<v Speaker 2>our country we didn't you know at this point, you

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<v Speaker 2>know where patriotism was, you know, top shelf there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was into being part of our country and standing up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I brought a lot of people together. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that the timing of it, as far as this event

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, really got dicey. It was you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about two sides of a conflict here, That's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much what it was. You know, people were either well

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm sure there were a few that were

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know, I'm not quite sure, but people

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<v Speaker 2>had really strong opinions about us going forward with this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was kind of that the you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>train was heading downhill and you're not going to stop

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<v Speaker 2>that train. It's it's so they had to keep moving

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<v Speaker 2>forward and they made several adjustments along the way. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there were people really in some camps like

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<v Speaker 2>just stop it, don't even don't move forward with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, as we know with the ww FWWE

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<v Speaker 2>and Vince McMahon, that's not gonna happen. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>make something work no matter what. As I have said

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<v Speaker 2>before in those meetings, he would say it every time,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing can go wrong. What he meant by that was,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what happens, you make it work. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people can argue they didn't make it work. Well

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<v Speaker 2>others will say, yeah, they did, they pulled it off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of a big question I have because we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Sergeant Slaughter and a Rocky sympathize a character

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times, but this time around it's really about, so

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<v Speaker 1>why is it okay for movies to use a nine

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven or big, huge monumental moments in American history

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<v Speaker 1>to sell movies or T shirts, But for wrestling, when

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<v Speaker 1>they use something like this with Sartaint slaughter in Hull,

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<v Speaker 1>Koga and America.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is this looked at as this, oh, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that people, you know, like you say,

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<v Speaker 2>with movies or anything else, you know, they it's it's fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is with professional wrestling, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>always created that illusion that maybe there was some part

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<v Speaker 2>of reality to it as well. And even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a vast majority of the audience knew it was fiction

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense, but you know, they always I can

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<v Speaker 2>bring in what was actually happening in the world, they

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<v Speaker 2>capitalized on it, and so I think that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people felt that they they just took advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>a situation when they should have been more sensitive to

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<v Speaker 2>actually what was going on. And kind of in that

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<v Speaker 2>rule of professional wrestling, and there's no bad publicity in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense, you know, and the more heat you get,

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<v Speaker 2>the better it is. You know, flowers and puppies and

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<v Speaker 2>kiddies doesn't sell like you know, blood and guts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pure evil hate, you know, aggression, that's that's sell us.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this was one of those situations where you

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<v Speaker 2>had these characters that I mean, we discussed the heat

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<v Speaker 2>servant slaughter generated and the other minions involved. It was

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<v Speaker 2>it was napalm. It was the next level as far

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, heat, death threats, and that became reality

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, people involved in this storyline. So it

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<v Speaker 2>really is that kind of that blur you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the movies. You know, you know this is they believe

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling always tried to create that, you know, there's something

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<v Speaker 2>to it. And when you do that and they and

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<v Speaker 2>the people that certainly know it's a work, as we say,

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<v Speaker 2>get pissed because they're like, well, you know it's a work,

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<v Speaker 2>and look what they're doing. You know they're they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking advantage of this situation. But it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>right up and it just kept getting worse because literally

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<v Speaker 2>when this event took place, we've got troops on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground and it was when you're talking life and death

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you take me through the security systems of w

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<v Speaker 1>w h Q in the studio you worked in, because

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<v Speaker 1>up to we had January Royalumbo ninety one saw to

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<v Speaker 1>win the championship. The war has started and we lead

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<v Speaker 1>up to Sonia. We've heard stories of man calling Sargeant

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<v Speaker 1>Slaughter saying, hey, the death threats against my family and

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<v Speaker 1>your family. We're going to send security over's gonna take.

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<v Speaker 2>Care of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Serge was walking around with bulletproof vests on as he

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<v Speaker 1>traveling around the country. What was it like for you

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<v Speaker 1>personally in the situation buildings for Usmania, knowing that security

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<v Speaker 1>might be an issue because it was a big issue

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<v Speaker 1>at the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, we always had security at our facilities. And

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<v Speaker 2>back then, if people know what the real setup was,

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<v Speaker 2>we had the town, which is where was basically the

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<v Speaker 2>WWE headquarters. That's where everything was and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>marketing and you know, all the corporate stuff. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we had one twenty Hamilton, and Hamilton was was not

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<v Speaker 2>far was the Stone's Throw really, you know, five minutes away,

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<v Speaker 2>but you had to cross over the freeway there. I

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five and we were tucked back into this area

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<v Speaker 2>that was you know where houses in a very industrial

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<v Speaker 2>area of Stanford, Connecticut. And you know, when I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have the big gates or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know that they did step up security. We

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<v Speaker 2>had security teams there. Where's I concern when I got

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<v Speaker 2>in my car and went to my condo in Norwalk? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I really didn't fear for that, but there was a

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<v Speaker 2>stepped up sense of man, you know, they're taking this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff very seriously. You know, Sergeant Slaughter has talked about

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<v Speaker 2>when he went home after you know, being on the

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<v Speaker 2>road and showing up at his house after Vince had

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<v Speaker 2>warned him that you know, things are getting really serious.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes to his house in Connecticut and you

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<v Speaker 2>know this long road that goes up this hill where

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<v Speaker 2>his house was, and there's vans out in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the house. Well, Vince had secured a security team. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys in suits were talking in their ear you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the earpieces and yeah, and they were at his

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<v Speaker 2>house twenty four to seven, and they wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>as far as you know, accompanying his wife and family

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<v Speaker 2>whenever they went to the store and all these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everything else, because they really did have to protect start

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<v Speaker 2>starteg somebody with them all the time. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because he was out there traveling. But but sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>his wife said, you know, no that we're not We're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing that. I'm not going to do that. But

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<v Speaker 2>they did watch the house and they took it very

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<v Speaker 2>very seriously. And also, you know, people knew who were

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<v Speaker 2>who the guy would be on the curtain was, so

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<v Speaker 2>Vince McMahon was getting a lot of threats as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was it was a really weird time. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you live in that world, you get used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we had security around. Uh you know the

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<v Speaker 2>famous shot of me and and Bobby in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the Manhattan Center with Bobby dressed and dragged there. If

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<v Speaker 2>you see that that picture, there's a guy in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of us there, and uh, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>security that's a security guy, and he you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>get to know these guys and I remember seeing that

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember him because he was around all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He took care of us and it you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>might be just one guy, but whenever we did shoots

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<v Speaker 2>like that, we had we had security around. But at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, when you're you know, leading into russell Mania

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<v Speaker 2>seven and everything that was going on there, it was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely stepped up. You saw more more bands following, you

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<v Speaker 2>know us, and when we did things, uh, more guys

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<v Speaker 2>at the at the events because they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>take any chances. But you always had to have somebody

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<v Speaker 2>around because there were people that weren't balanced and you

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<v Speaker 2>never knew what they might do, and incidents like that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was where somebody actually take a shot at

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Sarge or you know, something like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was a really tense time for the company.

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<v Speaker 1>Now kind of like a two part question, is that

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<v Speaker 1>worth all of that security for Vince and his family

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<v Speaker 1>in the side and slaught for our storyline for a

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<v Speaker 1>television show for professional wrestling? Or also the question would

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<v Speaker 1>be do you think Vince is like opening up a

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<v Speaker 1>curtain in his house and seeing securities.

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<v Speaker 3>Like can you believe it? They hate us so much?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to kill us, Like this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I don't I don't think that that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>Vince looked at because it was becomes a big inconvenience

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<v Speaker 2>in your life. Anybody that's ever had to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe at first you feel really important because

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<v Speaker 2>you got people, You've got people following you around and

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the moon parts on the move whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But after a while I was like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>you know these guys are just here. Yeah. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that Vince really looked at it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But overall, I mean, I think the level of heat

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<v Speaker 2>he knew that that was going to translate into, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more money for the company and more interest in what

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing. So it's the event. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about when this was in the company's history and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, business wasn't great and they, as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>originally they wanted to sell out the LA Coliseum. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the LA Coliseum. What's it whole one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ten thousand something, you know at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's an awful venue for what we want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever been in there, Steve, it's a It

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<v Speaker 2>is a coliseum.

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<v Speaker 3>I've only walked by it. I've never actually been inside.

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<v Speaker 2>It is gigantic. It is gigantic. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the original intent for the design of that thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it really wasn't designed for any sport. I mean, unless

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was gladiators.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're just so far away and it's antic. And

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<v Speaker 2>even back then, I thought when they first announced that

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they wanted to do, how are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to fill this? And it was you know, we weren't

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<v Speaker 2>really into that age of where we had the big

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people had jumbo trons, but it wasn't anything

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<v Speaker 2>like what they evolved into where you had all of

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the monitors everywhere, so you the guys

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<v Speaker 2>would have looked like this big, you know when you

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<v Speaker 2>see them from where they even the good seats were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be far away. And and this was also

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<v Speaker 2>before they were doing the you know, the giant stages

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<v Speaker 2>that we see. It was way way before that. And

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<v Speaker 2>and so what are you going to have. Imagine this

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<v Speaker 2>like your center your center stage is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a documentation that people say, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>the ticket sales were just awful. I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>within the first two weeks they'd only sold I think

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<v Speaker 2>they said fifteen sixteen thousand, and people say it was

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<v Speaker 2>closer to ten. So you know, so it's mass panic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you know. I Basil Dedido, who I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure people some people have heard of them, especially we've

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<v Speaker 2>and so you can imagine after two weeks and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>So there was definitely something to when they switching the

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that they will that'll go to their

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<v Speaker 2>graves of saying that that's that was the reason. But

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<v Speaker 2>say it wasn't part of the equation here. But also

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that we're going to have on one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ten thousand seat stadium and maybe we could put

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<v Speaker 2>in thirty thousand. Can you imagine what that would look

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<v Speaker 2>blimp over that will wrestle Lady of seven.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, push them all the hard camera, hard camera,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bob Collins, I always talk about him, is you

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<v Speaker 2>know the promotion guy that he used to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have to, you know, be moving people in mass But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it came down to that where they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>find an alternative, which they did with the LA they

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it worked, it worked out for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But and you know, they had shown what we could

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey of Atlantic City, and you know, those things only

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<v Speaker 2>had I think there was seventeen eighteen thousand people, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's all perception on those campus and if

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<v Speaker 2>it's a packed house, no matter if it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve fifteen thousand, you can make it look like this

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<v Speaker 2>exciting venue. And you know that's that was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be easy to do. They were going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>No, they dressed it very nicely. Like I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>when you turn on Wrestling seven and I washed it

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in so long.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing I see it's like you see the

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<v Speaker 3>American flags.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the wrestling you sign that has red, white

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<v Speaker 1>and blue in the logo. They've changed it up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit from the gold over the years, the yellow,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's you can tell like they have a

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<v Speaker 1>theme for this. Even if they were going to fill

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<v Speaker 1>up one hundred thousand people, I'm assuming you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>these little banners had to be printed out once they

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<v Speaker 1>realized by February they weren't going to go to the coliseum,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all right, well, we gotta we gotta order

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<v Speaker 1>some shit now because we don't have a giant banner

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<v Speaker 1>to fill one hundred thousand. We got to fill you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand. So you're right about that. They'll die to

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<v Speaker 1>their graves. Was it security reasons? Was it poor ticket sales?

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<v Speaker 3>Either way?

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<v Speaker 1>Finding out that the weather was fifty five degrees that

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<v Speaker 1>evening on WrestleMania, So imagine that you're in La one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand people, it's fifty five degrees in today's world.

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<v Speaker 3>Even when they go wrestling Flora, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a heated mat because they want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>the wrestlers say, how you said toasty?

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine they come on and you know, fifty five degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>You of all people should know, like, fifty five degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're shorts. I wait, people in Los Angeles, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five degrees. Oh my god, I'll have that letter. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Hats and gloves, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Philly for WrestleMania thirty nine and it

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<v Speaker 1>was freezing winter.

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<v Speaker 3>Hats, coats, sweatshirts, gloves.

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<v Speaker 1>We were dying up in the press box because it

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<v Speaker 1>was so cold, and then the w W the next

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<v Speaker 1>day was like, We're never coming back here again.

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know, fifty five, it is pretty damn cold

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, you know, but with Wrestlmanias there's always celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>in this celebrity Oh my god, I love this group

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<v Speaker 1>of celebrities, Like these guys clearly wanted to be involved.

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<v Speaker 3>You have you have Alex Trebek, who has wonderful moments

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the night. You also have a few interesting pieces here.

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<v Speaker 1>Marla Maples, who was involved with Donald Trump at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually becomes his.

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<v Speaker 3>Wife, Missus Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's actually in the audience as well, with

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Winkler, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Norris, Lou frigg. What a couple of celebrities in the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, who do you think I was more excited about

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<v Speaker 2>all those people?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna guess Henry Winkler.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Chuck Norris. Come on, he was like such a badass.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't wait to meet him. Yeah. You know what, though,

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<v Speaker 2>the surprising is how small he You know, like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times you meet these celebrities and uh, you

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<v Speaker 2>know there they're like five seven five five, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big tough, badass guy that I see on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of people are like that Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Cruises and that tall Stas and Stadium's not that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys that are known as these big, massive, tough

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<v Speaker 2>guys and you can see what they can do. They

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<v Speaker 2>make them look like on TV. But that didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>He was still Chuck Norris and he was still a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking badass. I'm sorry, But.

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<v Speaker 3>So they all came backstage, well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they were around you know that. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like he got a chance to hang with him.

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<v Speaker 2>The other the one I did get to hang with

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<v Speaker 2>was Regis on occasions because he you know, so we

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<v Speaker 2>should talk about Reechs at some point. But he was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge wrestling fan and so Regis would come and

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<v Speaker 2>he lived in New York did they take their show there?

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<v Speaker 2>And he would come to the Garden shows all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was really good friends with Freddie Blassie because

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<v Speaker 2>of his career and was really well known there. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, Regis was a huge fan of Professional

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<v Speaker 2>Westling and he used to have Freddie come on his

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<v Speaker 2>show that he had there. He had a morning show there,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was in San Diego. And so they

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<v Speaker 2>became really very close friends. And Regis was around all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, a huge fan and he was really a

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<v Speaker 2>good guy too. You know, he would he would just

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<v Speaker 2>come and hang out. He just loved being around the boys.

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<v Speaker 2>And also how many how many times he had recites

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<v Speaker 2>on Regis and Kathy Lee she hated it. She hated

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<v Speaker 2>it when they would come on there. But Regis, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a he was he was in charge, and

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<v Speaker 2>he loved bringing those guys on and I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it he loved to do it just because

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<v Speaker 2>he knew it would tweak her. Remember Rick Rude came

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<v Speaker 2>on and he had the tights with her face on

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<v Speaker 2>the front of its crotch and he did that on Burt.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that that he told him to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this would be awesome, and it worked. I think she

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<v Speaker 2>walked off the set.

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<v Speaker 1>She does she goes up there's like fake stairs. I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the set she like leaves and goes back

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<v Speaker 1>over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I like anyway, getting back to Uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities there, and it was come on, we were in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles. It was easy pickings and and and surprisingly

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe not, but you know a lot of celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>love professional wrest you know, they're the same as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>rock stars too. You know, guys would come h they all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny because these guys are very successful

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<v Speaker 2>in professionals and you know, the guys that were musicians

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be actors, and actors wanted to be you know, musicians,

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<v Speaker 2>and the actors want to be professional wrestlers. And the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing with these guys. So this was not a

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<v Speaker 2>tough sell, you know to get. I think that they actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, turned down people, you know, to give little

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<v Speaker 2>tickets and stuff because they wanted it, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was quice a turnout. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex Trebek is also here.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to forget him because you know, Jeopardy

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the biggest things in the world at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in time. In ninety one, again you have

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<v Speaker 1>Regis Philibert and Kathy Lee having their amazing morning show.

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<v Speaker 3>But when I was like, Marlin mable who that? And

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<v Speaker 3>I had to go googles, Oh that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's why you're here because you were involved with

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<v Speaker 1>a scandal with Trump at the time, and we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>really prove you were involved weren't involved, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bring you in here for some I don't know, some

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<v Speaker 1>gotcha journalism maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>But Regis is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>When me and Jean introduces all the celebrities, he's backstage

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<v Speaker 1>with them. He introduces Regis and the first thing he says,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'm afraid of earthquake.

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<v Speaker 3>I already pick over a pizza cart and meat the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jean's like, all right, Uh, Marla, let's go to Marla.

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<v Speaker 3>Marla says she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be backstage doing interviews in the men's locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>and she is going to tell it like she sees it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jean starts laughing and says, there's gonna be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cold showers tonight. What And then we go to

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Trebek and means like me, Jane's like my best

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<v Speaker 1>friend here, Alex Trebeck. We're very close friends. And Alex

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<v Speaker 1>does not call it Jean by his name. He mistakenly

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<v Speaker 1>says a different name. And this is where I go, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be good, like this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff. But how often do celebrities come forth and

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<v Speaker 1>be like I want to do all this fun stuff

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<v Speaker 1>or some of very very closed off like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do exactly what I'm supposed to be doing because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to expose who I really am.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that you know, some of them are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really into it, and others were just looking for an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>That that was what it was kind of cool to

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<v Speaker 2>see happened, because you know, initially, I'm sure uh, years

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<v Speaker 2>before that, if somebody would have gone to a celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, they the WWF wants you to come

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<v Speaker 2>on a bit like what, oh my god, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe and they'd asked me to do that, I would know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's to the point where you know, people are going, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are paying attention to this, and

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<v Speaker 2>and they're the cool kids, and so it got to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where you know, they could pick and choose

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways to do that, and some

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<v Speaker 2>of it was just cameo, just have them there so

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<v Speaker 2>you see him, which is awesome. You know they're just

422
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<v Speaker 2>sitting watching and enjoying it. But there are other people

423
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<v Speaker 2>that you know that were high profile enough and if

424
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<v Speaker 2>they could get them to do some kind of shtick

425
00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:51.000
<v Speaker 2>with them, absolutely, And that was what was great about

426
00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Alex Trebek is that, you know, here he was. People

427
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.640
<v Speaker 2>really had never gotten a chance to see Alex Trebek.

428
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's in kind of that situation. You never really

429
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<v Speaker 2>saw him going on talk shows. You didn't see people

430
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:05.079
<v Speaker 2>interviewing him very often. So to see him, you know,

431
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:09.000
<v Speaker 2>out of that that very stoic, uh, you know, very

432
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>straight man delivery game show host guy. Uh. Trying to

433
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.039
<v Speaker 2>loosen up him a little bit, but uh, it was

434
00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.240
<v Speaker 2>it was what was funny. It was very difficult for

435
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.920
<v Speaker 2>him to do it. I think he wanted to, he

436
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't capable. You know, It's just it was just

437
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of like robotic in a sense. You know that

438
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I and I've known other people like that too, you know,

439
00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.519
<v Speaker 2>like you want to have fun, you want to get in,

440
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and you just it's just too hard for you. So yeah,

441
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that was fun. Yes, yeah, he And that's that's just

442
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the way Regis was though. You could throw that guy

443
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.759
<v Speaker 2>into any situation and uh, and he would make it work.

444
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 2>And and he that that was like his whole kind

445
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.400
<v Speaker 2>of self deprecating and uh, you know, making fun of

446
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:58.359
<v Speaker 2>people and rolling with things. So yeah, he was a

447
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.079
<v Speaker 2>natural for it, and he he loved it. He would

448
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:04.640
<v Speaker 2>have done every I think every WrestleMania we had, you

449
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:06.880
<v Speaker 2>know that they want they asked him to. I mean

450
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:09.759
<v Speaker 2>every time he would, he would be there. I actually

451
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I went to a dinner one night where Freddie was.

452
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Freddie was receiving some kind of lifetime achievement award. It

453
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 2>was in New York City, and uh, Regis came down

454
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.039
<v Speaker 2>and presented the award to him.

455
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

456
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we went to the dinner and also

457
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.160
<v Speaker 2>out at the table, Joy was there. I remember Joy

458
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Philvin who would fill in all the time. She she

459
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:37.799
<v Speaker 2>came to and uh and uh, Miyako was Freddie's We

460
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:40.599
<v Speaker 2>get well, I got to tell you stories. We have

461
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.759
<v Speaker 2>to do an episode just of Freddie. And I've mentioned

462
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:49.279
<v Speaker 2>before how close we became. But I've got some command

463
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.880
<v Speaker 2>of stories because they would send us out together too,

464
00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of the ambassadors, because Freddie lived in Scarsdale, and

465
00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I was at the h the mother Ship,

466
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>and and so we would do all kinds of stuff

467
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>that we'd go to golf tournaments and but getting dude

468
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 2>right now that we got to do Freddy, Freddy was

469
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.440
<v Speaker 2>just he was He was no classy. Uh so.

470
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.200
<v Speaker 3>Don't on that geek.

471
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.200
<v Speaker 2>That's the first word that comes to mind when you

472
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.559
<v Speaker 2>think of Freddie blasting. But yeah, so there was a

473
00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 2>real strong connection. And Regis was one of those people

474
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that he was, you know, up until the time that

475
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 2>he really retired, that guy was still uh you know

476
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 2>on television, you know, hosting game shows, and he just

477
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>was uh, you know, tremendous and as I said, he

478
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a really great guy. And some of these guys, like

479
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 2>you said, you would see quite often when I told

480
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.599
<v Speaker 2>you that, like Bob Costas used to come to the

481
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Garden all the time just be backstage. He just would

482
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>slip in and just hang out.

483
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Well he didn't hang out here.

484
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Shows every month. So yes, so celebrities, Oh yeah, we

485
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.720
<v Speaker 2>will talk about that. Yeah. I felt was kind of like, really, Bob,

486
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that that's where I kind of started

487
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:15.319
<v Speaker 2>to yeah, well, I mean like that we were buds

488
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. My feeling of hey, dude, you

489
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>know you you took advantage and wanted to be there.

490
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>You're like you were a mark basically, and then now

491
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 2>suddenly your highbrow. I mean really after you know, all

492
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the opportunities that they gave you and you know, welcomed

493
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 2>you in and this is what you do. And of

494
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>course over that interview with Vince was kind of dude.

495
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>So anyway that there was always the strong connection to

496
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 2>celebrities and of course being intinsultown for this one, it

497
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.839
<v Speaker 2>was it was really I mean, we had our pick

498
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.759
<v Speaker 2>these guys. A lot of people wanted to be a

499
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.640
<v Speaker 2>part of it. You know, some just basically got cameos

500
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and others they h actually got to do some shick

501
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Speaker 2>with him, which I think that I think those guys

502
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>always enjoy it. I really do.

503
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Are we just he pulls off. I think he's the

504
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 1>MVP of celebrities because he's back staying. He's interviewing the Undertaker,

505
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.839
<v Speaker 1>and the Taker is just measuring him like thirty four,

506
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>and Paul Beer is writing them down. Oh okay, like

507
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>are they gonna kill me?

508
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 3>They're gonna bury me?

509
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Ya, They're gonna always said he's a tailor too. Yeah.

510
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>And then he also interviews like ten Ru and there's

511
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>a language barrier there, so he just does.

512
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Dropping down right, He's like.

513
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Kis Oh my god, what are we doing? What are

514
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 3>we doing? But again it's nine tinety one.

515
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm not gonna look at it with these

516
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>today's eyeballs.

517
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 3>But Alex Tabak has a few interviews backstage. Again you're bright.

518
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.279
<v Speaker 1>He seems like he's trying to break out of his shell,

519
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't know how, Like he doesn't know what

520
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 1>extreme levels to go up, so he just gonna stay flat,

521
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.319
<v Speaker 1>which is fine. Martley really doesn't do much at all

522
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 1>with all night long. She's supposed to be a timekeeper

523
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>in the main event, which is really it. But again,

524
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I think she's here for the tabloids at this time

525
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>because most likely you know, I don't have the Inquirer

526
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>from the next day after WrestleMania seven, but I'm guaranteeing

527
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>she's in it.

528
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Because of her relation at the time, Donald Trump. That's

529
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.559
<v Speaker 3>my guest. Really, that's my guest.

530
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't this incredible talent that they had to get her? What?

531
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 3>Nope? I don't think so.

532
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Were there any celebrities backstage though that you don't see

533
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>on camera that because you're in Los Angeles, like you

534
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 1>brought up, like there's got to be somebody backstage if

535
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you can remember, well.

536
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Everybody you saw was who's there? I mean, somebody was

537
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 2>going to show up.

538
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Just they didn't just let like a comp come backstage

539
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and hang out.

540
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 2>But but I do remember, you know, when these people

541
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>would come suddenly they had an arm garage of about

542
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 2>twenty people. Always I'm sure that some of these people

543
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>did have have peeps, but this time it was the wife,

544
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>it was the kids. Uh you know, it was an uncle,

545
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>it was a brother. You know, It's like they had

546
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>these It would be, you know, one guy and then

547
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty people are coming and depending on their level of celebrity,

548
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>was how big the crowd. So I'd tell them, like,

549
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, one person, if they really wanted them there,

550
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>like I'd say, like it was if Henry Winkler was

551
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>going to come up and he said, like I got

552
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>tak twenty people want to bring them him, like Rember,

553
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>all right, yeah, yeah, Mom's But but I do remember

554
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 2>that it was like with all these you know, and

555
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 2>they were just we're with them, you know, we're with him,

556
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, but they just wanted to be there. Then

557
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to be backstage, and of course they got

558
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>some pretty prime seats too, for show them up. So

559
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't necessarily they were paying them fees to be there.

560
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure you know that they did do stick.

561
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>They got they got a piece, you know, got some

562
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 2>some of that perse money. But just like if you

563
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>just if you were a celebrity wanted to be there,

564
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 2>and they would comp tickets because in exchange, you're gonna

565
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 2>let us show you and show how cool it is

566
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that you're here and that you're really happy to be here.

567
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Right, So this is this little boys, the agent is

568
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>this your son? Yeah, he's my agent. He's got to come,

569
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:15.599
<v Speaker 1>he has to be here.

570
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But what's funny like that the number of the

571
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 2>entourage would would certainly grow when they came to with

572
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.200
<v Speaker 2>those events, because yeah, and it just showed you how

573
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>popular we were at the time, you know that as

574
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>far as that with the celebrities said business was, but

575
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>when it came down to people getting a chance to

576
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>be close to those guys, everybody showed up. Yeah.

577
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm brought up for a minute though, Bob cost Us

578
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and Roseanne refused to be here at Russemani because of

579
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the Gulf War storyline. Listen, like you said, you show

580
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>up when we're hot and everyone loves us once there's

581
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a little heat.

582
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Like oh I I guys, gotta go, I gotta go.

583
00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 3>That happens a lot.

584
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I think with connections like that, where you see something

585
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, I don't want my name attached to

586
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>that because maybe it'll land back on me.

587
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Roseanne, Yeah, and thank god we didn't have her

588
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>there to sing the national anthem.

589
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, she's the best, She's the greatest. How dare you?

590
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>But I get it in a lot of ways. You know,

591
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 2>you've got people that are managing you and telling you

592
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 2>this isn't going to be good and for us to

593
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 2>do this, and so yeah, maybe that's had something to

594
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 2>do with it. And you know, when you're working for

595
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's the time where she was,

596
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>but you know, if let's say you're working you're under

597
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>contract for a show or something like that, and they say,

598
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, this isn't going to be good, this is

599
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 2>not a good reflection on our products, so we're asking

600
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you not to do it. So a lot of that

601
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 2>stuff I didn't if somebody said no, I'm not going

602
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 2>to do it, I didn't necessarily think, well, it's because

603
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 2>of them. They're being a jerk about it. You got

604
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to understand that it got people handling them and that

605
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.799
<v Speaker 2>have some control of their lives and what they do,

606
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 2>so they're going to make decisions that way. Bob was

607
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>different because for me anyway, because he was really connected

608
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 2>to our product in a lot of ways that he

609
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>would know, he was around all the time. He was

610
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 2>a big, big fan, and then just kind of you know,

611
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 2>turned I don't know really when it came down to it.

612
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't genuinely think it was because his outrage over

613
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>the storyline, So that one was different from me.

614
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 1>But you're upset about Roseann war. It's more personal with

615
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you in Roseanne.

616
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Earth then get it, you know?

617
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 3>All right?

618
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, you know the main event of this

619
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.039
<v Speaker 1>WrestleMania is Hogan versus starting slaughter. But original plans was

620
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 1>when tug Boat turned a wholt Cogan. He was going

621
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>to be Typhoon and joining up with earth quake natural disasters. No, no,

622
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>he was going to be chic tug Boat. He was

623
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be an Iraqi sympathizer, where he was going

624
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>to be the one who suddenly loved and hated America.

625
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Did about it doesn't that it sounds so up speak

626
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 2>tug Boat. They can put the like like oh like

627
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 2>it's music. Yeah, I'm I'm glad that didn't happen. I

628
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that would have been a disaster. And uh

629
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I love I love me some Fred, but that one

630
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>was not you know, coming out the stripes and the

631
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 2>sailor and putting change in that over that was a

632
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>tough stunt.

633
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't I don't think that would have worked.

634
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, we already didn't starting slot in. Hogan already

635
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 1>had poors ticket sales. You know, according to everything chic

636
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 1>tug Boat versus Hogan might have might have been worse. Really, Yeah,

637
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about that. But you know, you had

638
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a busy night arrest wenty seven though you interviewed the rockers,

639
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Slick Warlord, Heart Foundation, Legion of Doom, Start and Slaughter,

640
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 1>and you're involved with Bobby Heen and mister Perfect. Wow,

641
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>you got at you had a busy day, sir, You

642
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 1>had a busy day.

643
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.599
<v Speaker 3>You're in your pay. You earned your pay that day.

644
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But how so we talked before about how some people

645
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>can get down to the business immediately one take done

646
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 1>with this group of people. How long is this taken

647
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to do throughout the day, because what time are you

648
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>coming to the arena to record all these interviews are

649
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna air later on well.

650
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>And and some of them WERELD I can't recall exactly

651
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>which ones, but yeah, but because we've talked about that before,

652
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>like when it has to be something that's a post

653
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 2>for there's nothing you can really do about it, You've

654
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 2>got to you got to roll with it. Yes, But yeah,

655
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>we did the you know, the backstage tapings and these

656
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 2>and all those guys you know, uh, we're really good,

657
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, basically one take. I don't remember times when

658
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>we did these. And at this point, these guys had

659
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 2>become well worsed early on in the career. In the

660
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>career these people and let's say they were territories and

661
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have the opportunity to do as many you

662
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>know type promos and especially the kind that we did.

663
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.440
<v Speaker 2>But at this point, you know, and these guys were

664
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.800
<v Speaker 2>seasoned vets and this was half your job, was you

665
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 2>being able to perform in front of a camera and

666
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>be able to do a promo. So you know, we

667
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.559
<v Speaker 2>got we would get right through these things. And everybody

668
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>felt the pressure because as I've mentioned before, you know,

669
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Vince was there for everything, and if he wasn't in

670
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the physically in the room with you, he was watching

671
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>in the truck or something like that, he would he

672
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>would see everything. So we all knew that when we

673
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 2>it was go time, we had to nail it. And

674
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 2>and I don't you know, I'm sure there were exceptions,

675
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>but for the most part, everybody nailed. There was not

676
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, to the point we were going back and

677
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Speaker 2>back then we were. It wasn't the scripted thing. I

678
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 2>think would have been a much more difficult time for

679
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>everybody if there were words on a page that we

680
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 2>all had to hit. We had you know, a lot

681
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 2>of these guys had creative licensees in the sense that

682
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you know your character, you know we're going a hit

683
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 2>these bullet points basically, And so it was in many ways.

684
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 4>And as you could that you could say, I say,

685
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 4>you know genuinely, like you think that was a genuinely

686
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 4>coming from that care that these guys knew those those

687
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 4>characters so well that they were speaking for that character.

688
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And so I that's why I think like back then

689
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 2>they were so good that those the promos because you know,

690
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.199
<v Speaker 2>none of them were ever if you did two takes

691
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 2>or three takes, they weren't. They weren't exactly the same.

692
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 2>They were going to be different by a few words

693
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 2>or a different you know look, or whatever they would do.

694
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.199
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that's what made them so good.

695
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.400
<v Speaker 2>But we would you know, it was a tight schedule,

696
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they moved these guys in and out,

697
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and they were doing stuff, especially for WrestleMania. There was

698
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 2>all other kinds of stuff going on, and you know

699
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>they wanted them out there in the ring. They rehearse,

700
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, at least talk about their spots stuff. So

701
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you got them in there, it was like, okay,

702
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 2>let's go. I don't remember really even getting a chance

703
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to sit down, you know, to I have a bottle

704
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>of water off the side there. But it was one

705
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>after another, and you know we might knock them all

706
00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>off in a couple of hours, but it had to

707
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>get done. And we had crews. You know, they don't

708
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 2>have the cruise that they have now, so you know,

709
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 2>even these camera guys, they were going to be somewhere else,

710
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, and at four or whatever it was, and

711
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>so and we were out there days before, so we

712
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 2>were shooting stuff. Uh, but we might have to do

713
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.079
<v Speaker 2>something might change, you know. Also the things would change too,

714
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>they would go in a different direction, maybe tweaking something

715
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like that. So they need the guy that we're going

716
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 2>to rede that promo. So you just had to be

717
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>ready whenever they needed you. So you know, it was

718
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>really efficient. Uh And and you roll off that list

719
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, man, I guess there was a lot,

720
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, but those days are kind of a blur

721
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that you just that's what you did,

722
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and you had to be prepped and ready, and I

723
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.599
<v Speaker 2>had to know when this guy came in, we'd run

724
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 2>through it. And as I have always said, you know,

725
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 2>you've got to make sure. My job was to make

726
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>sure whoever was there that I made all the moving

727
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>parts work, that I this guy's talk at first, get

728
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to the guy in back. Then you're back up front.

729
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna either go into the camera and they're going

730
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:09.840
<v Speaker 2>to be out of this, go back to me. And

731
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I got to say, all right, let's get back to

732
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 2>the ring. Let's get back to the ringside brow or

733
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, yeah, it was a lot going on,

734
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 2>but I knew that when it was my time I

735
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:23.880
<v Speaker 2>had to make sure that I nail it. I didn't

736
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.119
<v Speaker 2>want to be that guy that held it up, and

737
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.599
<v Speaker 2>so I made sure that you know, this is like

738
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>you said, you have one job movie, don't don't be

739
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 2>that bad the bad week.

740
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Say that it's true.

741
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's the way I actually looked at it.

742
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:48.320
<v Speaker 2>You know that. I I just I respected so much

743
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.280
<v Speaker 2>what those guys did, and I don't want I'm not

744
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 2>saying look talent and what I did, but I said, like,

745
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the folk, I'm not the focus of this,

746
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I am the one that I'm the mic

747
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>stand in the sense. I mean, I don't hate put

748
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>it that way, but I've got to make sure that

749
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.480
<v Speaker 2>everybody gets heart. That was like an art in itself,

750
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 2>especially when you had, you know, if it was four

751
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 2>or five guys in one interview. But yeah, that was

752
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 2>that was my job. And when I had to, when

753
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I had to be ready to go, I was.

754
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Is there a line of wrestlers waiting behind each other

755
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>or is there a specific time for each one to

756
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 1>show up? Because I met in my brain it's like

757
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 1>there's the Rockers, but next to them is the Heart Foundation,

758
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:30.800
<v Speaker 1>but next to them is slick, like there's a long

759
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>ass line. They're all waiting, tapping their toes like Disney lines,

760
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>or they all have a specific time at a different

761
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>time of the day.

762
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, like anything else, try and schedule things right, whatever

763
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.039
<v Speaker 2>it is. And okay, you know, it's a tugboat from

764
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>two to two ten's, you know, and then things get

765
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>backed up, somebody comes in, you know, somebody gets pulled,

766
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 2>they come back. So yeah, there was there was a backup.

767
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 2>And it was funny because you know, here these guys

768
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 2>would be used to performing in front of thousands of

769
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>people and uh and doing hundreds of promos every TV taping.

770
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>They're going into the Cube. I've told you about that,

771
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 2>the Soundproof Cube. But there was something about you know, WrestleMania,

772
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>as big as it was, and on certain occasions that

773
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 2>when let's say, like you said, it got backed up

774
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and then somebody would come in and and some of

775
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 2>the guys who would make them self conscious that one

776
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of the other guys was watching them, and you could

777
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 2>see it, like the the anxiety of like, fuck in

778
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 2>front of you know, the rockets, I don't want to

779
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, And it was funny because they were there.

780
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>There were people like that. You know, like Fred would

781
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 2>be that way a little bit. You know that she

782
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 2>she tugboat and and initially he had a really tough time,

783
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 2>but he got much better. But it was funny that,

784
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm talking about where she you're in front

785
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.599
<v Speaker 2>of all these things, all these all this pressure and

786
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the rain and everything, and that something is silly as that,

787
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, where you're in this room and you're in

788
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>front of the camera and then some other guy comes

789
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>into their off camera and you and you could just say,

790
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.760
<v Speaker 2>they're like they it's bothering them that they're there, that

791
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's impacting them. And that would happen to

792
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 2>some of the guys, you know, when they were comfortable

793
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 2>with who the crews are used to me being around

794
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 2>and they know I wasn't judging them or you know,

795
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and the crew guys just kind of invisible in a sense,

796
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.159
<v Speaker 2>you know that they were so used to it. But

797
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>then somebody else would come in and you know, like,

798
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 2>oh god, that's undertaker back there, you know, uh, and

799
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>that it would you could just you know, you could

800
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.079
<v Speaker 2>just see that kind of they get through it, but

801
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you knew it would be different. And I felt like

802
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>sometimes like I just wanted to go, like, you know,

803
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 2>just just come back in it. But isn't that crazy though,

804
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>that you you would see it like visibly happen, you know,

805
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 2>God forbid, Colt came in the room or something, you know,

806
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the guys, but you would it would get backed up

807
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 2>and then we for the most part, uh because you

808
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 2>would wait outside, you know, because you didn't want But

809
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>when in a lot of situations like in the arenas

810
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.039
<v Speaker 2>well we didn't have it. We were in this open

811
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.400
<v Speaker 2>area and they would just put up those you know

812
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of sound boards that you know, keptcause we just

813
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 2>had to do it. So everybody would be standing there,

814
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, they could sit there and watch, and it

815
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 2>was just funny how it would impact some guys. The

816
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>other guys didn't that they were so used to doing it,

817
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 2>but there were a few that it definitely had an

818
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>impact on their performance.

819
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, the Slick when you interviewed him, he so Warlord

820
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 1>is finding the British bulldog. So Slick is with Warlord

821
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 1>and I got to give like Slick, my god, he

822
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>used every dog pune like dog it's gonna be.

823
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Good doggy dog world out there like bark is worse

824
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 3>than your bite, all.

825
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 1>These neutering you neutering you like, there's little things like

826
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 1>god damn, Like this guy is so good at his job.

827
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Like you said earlier, some people are just talking.

828
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>They're not talking as themselves, are talking to the character

829
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>they is in their brain and they know exactly what

830
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>that character would say when they would say it. So

831
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>he's brilliant. But you did bring up Vin smic Mann

832
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>for a minute. What is his demeanor like a Russemanian

833
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 1>versus a normal day of work. Obviously he's always involved,

834
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 1>but what is the difference from your perspective of events

835
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.559
<v Speaker 1>being involved at WrestleMania versus a Wrestling Challenge taping.

836
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, so Wrestling Challenge taping is at eleven WrestleMania about thirteen. Yeah,

837
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly raised raising level, But you know, even though

838
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>you were very aware of that, the Vince was always

839
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>like that, you know, like you never saw him sweat

840
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:09.280
<v Speaker 2>as they say, so the intensity, yeah, it was was

841
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:11.679
<v Speaker 2>going to be raised, but Vince was always the way.

842
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 2>It was always Vince. I mean, he was always just

843
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 2>wired and ready to go. And it's really hard to

844
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 2>be around a human being like that when uh, he

845
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 2>just expects you to be up and ready and thinking

846
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and performing twenty four hours a day. I always that

847
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.360
<v Speaker 2>that circle that in between Pat and especially you know,

848
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>like Bruce, and there were a few others later, you know,

849
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>with JJ and and I just I felt sorry. I

850
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.800
<v Speaker 2>was like, God, those poor bastards, because how do you know?

851
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>But how do you say? You know? He if if

852
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.840
<v Speaker 2>he Vince got up at two in the morning because

853
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 2>he decided he wanted to work out and then he

854
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.079
<v Speaker 2>had this you know, epiphany or whatever of what they're

855
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>going to do, what wouldn't be unusual for him to

856
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 2>tell those guys come up, get get to the house.

857
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:04.320
<v Speaker 2>You know. They were there at the place in Greenwich. Yeah,

858
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 2>hours and hours and I I don't know how they

859
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:13.519
<v Speaker 2>survived because that is just you know. And Kevin, Kevin

860
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Dunne too, m hm. He was that he was the

861
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Vince whisperer. I mean, there's there's one human being on

862
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the planet who gets Vince and can be around could

863
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.559
<v Speaker 2>be around him for hours and hours and hours. It's Kevin.

864
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.360
<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, that's the special relationship he had

865
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.559
<v Speaker 2>with him since he was basically a kid. You know,

866
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>when he came into the company with the you know,

867
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>because his dad initially started with the production with them

868
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and him and Bruce and Patt that was and those

869
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 2>guys would be there talking, you know, doing booking and

870
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:57.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff for just endless, endless hours and so, uh, that's

871
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 2>just who Vince is. And I don't think you know,

872
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I certainly I haven't been around him in decades, but

873
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I knew a lot of people who were and uh,

874
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.679
<v Speaker 2>and they said he if anything he got, he got work.

875
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 2>So he got more and more intense and more and

876
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>more involved in He wasn't when I was there. He

877
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't walking around with a headset talking live to the

878
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 2>color and the you know, the play by play guys,

879
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the you know. So that's just the way it was.

880
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't necessarily like, oh crap, it's wrestle Mainie, he's

881
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 2>going to be a maniac. It's no events, you know,

882
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>but you knew with the biggest show of the year, Yeah,

883
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 2>everything had to go well.

884
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I imagine ms Man is uh, you know, I

885
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

886
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say him like him, but I

887
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 1>have these ideas, like three in the morning, I should

888
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 1>call Sean Mooney right now.

889
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, what time is it with Sew Mooney

890
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 3>is oh, I can't do that.

891
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that, and he just got off work.

892
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 2>I can't call him.

893
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.440
<v Speaker 3>He will kill me. He will kill me.

894
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 1>But let's get to the event because one of the

895
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.119
<v Speaker 1>biggest things about this is Ultimate Warrior versus the Macho

896
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>King career ending match. Warrior defeats the Macho Man in

897
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest wrestlemanding matches of all time, not

898
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>just Golden Era of all time. Did Macho Man, Because

899
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.960
<v Speaker 1>there's so many stories about this, did mauchmen actually want

900
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to step away from the ring? Or is this a

901
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>we want you to go be work in the office, Savage.

902
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>We want to use your mind, not your body. What

903
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>do you think I'm gonna say, No, so many stories

904
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 1>from other people on other podcasts about this.

905
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.199
<v Speaker 2>No, you know, even though you know maybe in some

906
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 2>ways that the idea of getting a break and getting

907
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 2>paid is good, is a good thing in professional wrestling,

908
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.159
<v Speaker 2>and at that point, you know, Randy's very well paid.

909
00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And but no, no, not for one second, did Randy

910
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Savage ever ever want to step out of the ring,

911
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and especially at that point in his career, And as

912
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:12.800
<v Speaker 2>we have discussed before, I don't know what Randy was

913
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>at that time, how old he was. I think he

914
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.079
<v Speaker 2>was thirty nine somewhere. You know, he was a young

915
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 2>man still, and here you're considering him some geezer because

916
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>you're right. So it's just amazing. Today we see what

917
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the guys are doing, and in their fifties, you know

918
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>that they're still doing unbelievable things in the ring. But

919
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.079
<v Speaker 2>at that time, and of course you know, Vince is

920
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 2>always thinking what's next, and the youth movement is underfoot here. No,

921
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 2>So the answer to that is Randy wasn't wasn't keen on,

922
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, stepping away. And I think even at the

923
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 2>time he was thinking, like, you know, maybe I'll just

924
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>go I'll go down south and I'll do something there.

925
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.880
<v Speaker 2>But figured, okay, I'll give this a shot. And and

926
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I think he knew they're gonna need me. They're gonna

927
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>need me. So if they're gonna pay me a lot

928
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 2>of money just to go to the broadcast table, okay,

929
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>and I'll see how that goes. And I think that

930
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 2>he also thought, you know, maybe they're gonna I think

931
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>they told him that, you know, you could help with

932
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the booking. You know that he was going to have

933
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>some influence in that sense, and when that really didn't

934
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>come to fruition and he wasn't keen on moving to

935
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Stanford or something like that. He's not going to Vincent

936
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:46.920
<v Speaker 2>House at two in the morning. So yeah, so overall

937
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 2>he was not happy with that that situation at all.

938
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.320
<v Speaker 2>But you know, Randy was right they needed him, uh

939
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and he would just kind of waited it out, and

940
00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was the guy that he was the

941
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 2>go to and there were many times where he would

942
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.400
<v Speaker 2>he would step in and bring the house down and

943
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 2>remind them how good he was and what an asset

944
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 2>he was to the company. But at that time, you know,

945
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't happy with it. But like you just said,

946
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, anytime he was in that ring, he was

947
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>going to give everything he had and he was going

948
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.639
<v Speaker 2>to make that a memorable match. And there was a

949
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 2>little extra to it because of the situation. I'm going

950
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to show them that, Hell, I'm at the top of

951
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>my game.

952
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 1>He was, because you're right at Summers ninety one, he's

953
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the main event, but it's his wedding and Warrior is suspended,

954
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Slash fired and Macha Man is called upon, Hey, we

955
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.199
<v Speaker 1>need you and that pulls off the most amazing storyline

956
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>ever with Macho Men and James Roberts, which we have

957
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>talked about on Savivs Series ninety one and this Tuesday

958
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 1>in Texas podcast, So we have done those deep dives

959
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.039
<v Speaker 1>as well. But the match is memorable. What the ending

960
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 1>is a tear jerk because as Savage is on the

961
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 1>ground hurt Sherry, who's the manager at the time, I

962
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 1>starts attacking him, kicking him while he's down. Miss Elizabeth

963
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>apparently has the worst seats ever. She's all the way

964
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 1>down in the aisleway. She couldn't get front row. She

965
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.199
<v Speaker 1>leaped over runs in attacks Sherry. Machman's confused. He doesn't

966
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 1>know who's been kicking him. He almost punches Liz, you know,

967
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 1>He's like, OHO's hit me, and he sez it's her

968
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and then holy shit, my god. I don't know if

969
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>these are plants or not, but there are people hysterically

970
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.559
<v Speaker 1>crying in the audience. When Savage and Liz hugged for

971
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the first time since WrestleMania a little before WrestleMania five

972
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 1>spent about two years now since they've hugged, they embrace,

973
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.320
<v Speaker 1>he holds the ropes open for her Mooney coming.

974
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 3>How you're feeling that day.

975
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Right now, honestly, and I'm not I even I feel

976
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 2>like that emotional thinking about it because of that relationship

977
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and I knew them and how you know, it was

978
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.480
<v Speaker 2>just it was it was one of those things that

979
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.079
<v Speaker 2>so many people wanted to see happen and then you see,

980
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, that payoff of it, and everybody was felt

981
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that way. I remember being backstage and and really it

982
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 2>got to me and so I knew that, you know,

983
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 2>you talk about a genuine moment. There was so much

984
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:29.159
<v Speaker 2>in that uh and to see that happen, and it

985
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:33.400
<v Speaker 2>was it was you know, the people that you saw

986
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 2>it in the crowd, like you just said that, you know, God, finally,

987
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, we always knew it. They couldn't stay apart,

988
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they do. They love each other and so we

989
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 2>all we all wanted to see that and that was

990
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 2>to me, that was one of the greatest you know reunites. Well,

991
00:53:54.679 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, this them coming back together again was for

992
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. You know, it was a reality.

993
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:06.280
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like you know, people that had

994
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 2>known behind the scenes, and I'm talking fans too, that

995
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, and to see them come together. And I'll

996
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>tell you another thing about Liz too. You know, she

997
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:20.079
<v Speaker 2>wasn't she doesn't have anybody that really had to work

998
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and break. You know. She she did some bumps, which

999
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 2>some were pretty amazing, but she really wasn't called upon to,

1000
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, go in and do anything. And so this

1001
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>opportunity with Sherry was, you know, her chance to go

1002
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.480
<v Speaker 2>out there and mix it up. And she was excited

1003
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>about it. And I remember, you know, Sary, because I

1004
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:51.119
<v Speaker 2>knew Sherry very well, and you know, she told me

1005
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>like when when you come out, you got to lay

1006
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:59.119
<v Speaker 2>it in, and and she does. You know, Liz did

1007
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a pretty damn good jo because you know, as we've

1008
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 2>mentioned before, we share it. Anybody didn't no matter who

1009
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 2>it was, didn't didn't go you know, lay it in,

1010
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 2>put the way you're supposed to do it, like for reals,

1011
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>she would, she would that would be a receipt coming

1012
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 2>your way. And it was not going to be pleasant.

1013
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Is you make her look bad, to make her look weak?

1014
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And so it was awesome to see and I think

1015
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 2>live had a great time because you know she did it.

1016
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 2>She laid it in.

1017
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she almost like grabs Sherry's hair too, as far

1018
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>as she could just whips her back. It's again, it's

1019
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful moment because they let it breathe where we

1020
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 1>have macho is he can't see who's kicking him, so

1021
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.480
<v Speaker 1>when Liz saves him, he has to look at Scherry

1022
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:47.760
<v Speaker 1>on the outside. Cherry's like, I hate you. I did that,

1023
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and he looks at Liz. Wait, you came to save me.

1024
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 1>You came to save me, and looking at the audience,

1025
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the audience like she did.

1026
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:56.280
<v Speaker 3>She did come to save you?

1027
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 2>What what?

1028
00:55:58.159 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 3>And you do?

1029
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 1>We love each other's too, And then they're slowly and

1030
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 1>she's crying a little bit too, and they hug. They

1031
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 1>show this kid in the audience, glasses and wearing like

1032
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 1>a raincoat, yellow raincoat on top, I don't know what's

1033
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:13.760
<v Speaker 1>a hat, maybe crying hysterically grown women pouring tears.

1034
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Again. Wrestlemaniam moments, do some great matches, and then there's moments.

1035
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 3>This ending is one of the top moments of all time,

1036
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I feel like for WrestleMania, but there's also.

1037
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep, no, I'll just saying that. I say it, and

1038
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, I think about those two and when

1039
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I see stuff like that, it doesn't really does impact

1040
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>because I just see how you know, like it's the

1041
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:49.119
<v Speaker 2>tragic is what happened, and you know, it's like the

1042
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.280
<v Speaker 2>it's like you see when people are at their peak

1043
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 2>and everything is awesome in there. Uh and that was

1044
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that was that, That was that and what they brought

1045
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 2>professional but like on the personal side and like knowing

1046
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:09.000
<v Speaker 2>how that relationship was and to his dying day, and

1047
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I was glad for Randy that he you know, found

1048
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 2>happiness later in life, uh, you know, before he died.

1049
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 2>But I still to I believe to his dying day

1050
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.320
<v Speaker 2>that that Liz was the true love of his life.

1051
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And that was kind of like, you know, it was

1052
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 2>so genuine the two of those guys to get you know,

1053
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.840
<v Speaker 2>them together that moment that it just really captured. And

1054
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people remember that and that

1055
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.519
<v Speaker 2>and those tears were real for everybody that in that crowd.

1056
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.079
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, no, I I I'm glad, thank you for

1057
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 1>sharing that, because it's true where a lot of people

1058
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 1>are underneath the impression that you know, do they actually

1059
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 1>love each other is a storyline. But when you can

1060
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 1>see real tears happening in front of you and the

1061
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 1>audience is affected even if they even if it was

1062
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a storyline, it clearly affected thousands of people in the

1063
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.239
<v Speaker 1>arena and yourself with their pro relationships. What they were

1064
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 1>doing for us as an audience seeing their love come

1065
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.400
<v Speaker 1>back into our lives versus seeing them break up two

1066
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:10.719
<v Speaker 1>years ago because of Kogan's and his lust.

1067
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also you know, you have to remember Steve

1068
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that you know, the company wasn't real big then in

1069
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.159
<v Speaker 2>any comparison is it like is today? And it really

1070
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:27.039
<v Speaker 2>it really wasn't in any ways a family very dysfunctional,

1071
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.239
<v Speaker 2>but you got to remember, like these people they lived

1072
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:36.000
<v Speaker 2>with each other. And I'm not talking specifically Randy and

1073
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.039
<v Speaker 2>it lives, but you know, imagine like you spend more

1074
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:42.199
<v Speaker 2>time of your life with these people than you do

1075
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.960
<v Speaker 2>with your own blood, your own families. And so the

1076
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 2>guys that had been there for a long time, really

1077
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it was they were Everybody was connected that way. And

1078
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that, you know, I go to something when

1079
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I've gone to some of these events and I see

1080
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:05.039
<v Speaker 2>these superstars see each other again and how they interact

1081
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 2>with each other, it reminds me of you know, it's

1082
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>like an old, awesome, great friend that you had that

1083
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 2>you spent some of the best moments of your life,

1084
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and you see them and then you pick right back up,

1085
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:21.119
<v Speaker 2>like these guys pick right back up where they were

1086
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.360
<v Speaker 2>like it was yesterday. Now they see each other more,

1087
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, because of all these different shows. But when

1088
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you see that, you you know, you understand that. You know,

1089
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 2>these guys were connected way more. It wasn't just business.

1090
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, they spent their lives together in many ways,

1091
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, as I said, more time than they were

1092
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.519
<v Speaker 2>with their family. And so you know, Randy and Liz

1093
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:48.159
<v Speaker 2>were part of that family at the time, and it

1094
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't like like I said, at least with that core

1095
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 2>of people that were there for a long time and

1096
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 2>very successful, that was a family. Mm.

1097
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

1098
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.760
<v Speaker 1>You're right, because the company was pretty small then versus now.

1099
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Some departments even know each other. At the time, everyone

1100
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of was in the same boat though. Yeah, one

1101
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of the best Rustlemania matches and storylines and ending of

1102
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.199
<v Speaker 1>all time. Try to argue and I'll fight you, but let's.

1103
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Move on though.

1104
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Blindfold match Jake to Snake Roberts versus Ricka Martel. We

1105
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.280
<v Speaker 1>don't only see one of these matches ever, It's the

1106
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.719
<v Speaker 1>first time in the WWF that is, and then years

1107
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 1>go on, you'd have a few more. Some people hate

1108
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.039
<v Speaker 1>this match, some people love this match. I love the

1109
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.920
<v Speaker 1>storytelling because of how Martell blinded Jake, so now Jake

1110
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 1>wants the blind Martel to even the odds in this matchup.

1111
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:41.800
<v Speaker 1>That to me makes sense for you. Did you enjoy

1112
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>it because the crowd interaction makes it watchable if you didn't, Yeah.

1113
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:51.199
<v Speaker 2>And you know blindfold match is in the book of storylines,

1114
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, and how it said, but this was a

1115
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 2>different version, and we've you know, Rick the model of

1116
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Martel being this heel and uh and pulling it off

1117
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:08.639
<v Speaker 2>and how hard he worked to get that gimmick he

1118
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a heel and him pulling this off.

1119
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:16.760
<v Speaker 2>And what better guy working with than Jacob Snake Roberts,

1120
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, guy, you couldn't ask anything more,

1121
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.719
<v Speaker 2>so all the way around, and I you know, it

1122
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:29.440
<v Speaker 2>all worked for me, the whole the perfume thing. And

1123
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.159
<v Speaker 2>we talked about when he was injured and I said,

1124
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 2>I would wish they would have laid it in more

1125
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:41.239
<v Speaker 2>with the rushing it down, but yeah, but it worked,

1126
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, and Jake sold it well, you know, like

1127
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing memory. We talked about how when you

1128
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.159
<v Speaker 2>were a kid and he saw him, we had the

1129
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:53.159
<v Speaker 2>contact and with just the white guy like what right?

1130
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Taking you back? So yeah, that was great. Uh.

1131
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

1132
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I always think it's funny with those ones

1133
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.639
<v Speaker 2>where they have that. You know, I think like, how

1134
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:09.719
<v Speaker 2>did they know the blindfold? Okay, it's got like that

1135
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.800
<v Speaker 2>in netting, so you see, but you've got to be

1136
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.280
<v Speaker 2>able to pull that off so that people believe you

1137
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.119
<v Speaker 2>can't see anything, right, And that's not an easy thing

1138
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.199
<v Speaker 2>to do. Uh, you know, you're not kind of like

1139
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:25.079
<v Speaker 2>doing this like picking up the things right. Uh. And

1140
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought, you know, it all worked.

1141
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.719
<v Speaker 1>It all worked same when you're pointing in the crowd

1142
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.039
<v Speaker 1>saying like hot cold, hot cold cold audience, that's all

1143
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you're doing, and the crowd loves it.

1144
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was cool. I love that, you know. And

1145
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:44.360
<v Speaker 2>it was. And you know they do these before they

1146
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.880
<v Speaker 2>get there, they'll go and they'll they'll run a few

1147
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:50.960
<v Speaker 2>houses just to see the reaction they'll get. And I'm

1148
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they ever went out there going Okay,

1149
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen is they're gonna the crowd's gonna get

1150
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:57.760
<v Speaker 2>into it and they're gonna be telling us where to go.

1151
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that organically that happened at one of the

1152
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:06.400
<v Speaker 2>houses and they're like, that's awesome. He's just crowd involvement,

1153
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:10.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, and so they're kind of and every time

1154
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.719
<v Speaker 2>they did it, that's what happened. So yeah, that was

1155
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I loved it. I loved it great. Love that crowd interaction.

1156
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what we're here for. I want to see

1157
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 3>a heavy crowd going crazy.

1158
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't really care if you're watching, you know, some

1159
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.800
<v Speaker 1>random match and you're not reacting. But when we started

1160
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 1>off with so many of seven, you had Grill Monsoon

1161
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and Bobby Heenon joins on commentary later on, but Hacksaw

1162
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:37.559
<v Speaker 1>Jim Duggan comes down dressed as Uncle Sam, mister Gimmick himself.

1163
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I love him so very This dude is everywhere and

1164
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 1>he does commentary for this matchup. And I don't know

1165
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.440
<v Speaker 1>if Hacksaw is the best guy to have on commentary,

1166
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 1>but he is the most funniest person to listen to

1167
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:49.239
<v Speaker 1>while on commentary.

1168
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't necessarily going to be a permanent job,

1169
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.599
<v Speaker 2>but very it was refreshing to see and he got

1170
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 2>to use all of his stick and all of his puns. Yeah,

1171
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and he was great. You know, I'm a huge fan

1172
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of Jim, so of course, yeah, at any time that

1173
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 2>he got an opportunity to to get out there and

1174
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.320
<v Speaker 2>like you said, load him up. He mister gimmick and

1175
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.559
<v Speaker 2>he was going to find a way to tell it. Yeah.

1176
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.199
<v Speaker 2>I felt bad for him traveling with all that stuff.

1177
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:24.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, you gotta do what you gotta do.

1178
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:29.599
<v Speaker 1>But actually awesome because you know it is superstars and

1179
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.800
<v Speaker 1>stripes forever. So when you have Uncle Sam show up

1180
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to make sure you know we love America here, you know,

1181
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 1>make sure we understand you know, we love we love

1182
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 1>our Uncle Sam here in America. But the tag team

1183
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.239
<v Speaker 1>titles change hands. Here the Nasty Boys pick up the

1184
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 1>win over the Heart Foundation. This is the end of

1185
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Brett Hart being and a tag team. And Brett Hart

1186
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:52.159
<v Speaker 1>in Summer Slim ninety one wins the Inner Curnental Championship.

1187
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.679
<v Speaker 1>And do you think Anville kind of saw the running

1188
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.000
<v Speaker 1>on the wall or he was oblivious to realizing that

1189
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Brett was going to take out and be this new

1190
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:04.119
<v Speaker 1>star that the w WF was really going to put

1191
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:04.679
<v Speaker 1>the rocket on.

1192
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Jim was no dummy, and this doesn't just

1193
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.119
<v Speaker 2>happen at wrestle me. So you know, the groundwork had

1194
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:21.039
<v Speaker 2>already been laid, and Brett had been wanting this opportunity

1195
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. I think that maybe Jim thought, Okay, well,

1196
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm going to be able to have my own

1197
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.239
<v Speaker 2>little single shot here and show them what I can do.

1198
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:36.559
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you know, no matter who you

1199
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 2>are at a tag team, at some point, you know

1200
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.719
<v Speaker 2>you want to see can I can I carry this

1201
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.360
<v Speaker 2>on my own? Can I be a force? And you

1202
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 2>want that chance to have a light just shining on you.

1203
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:53.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think he knew that it was coming

1204
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.079
<v Speaker 2>and absolutely knew that that Brett was going to be

1205
01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:02.639
<v Speaker 2>getting the share of this this chance, but you know,

1206
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:08.239
<v Speaker 2>you're still with the WWF and you're still a superstar.

1207
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.039
<v Speaker 2>He would mess that up a bit and not shortly

1208
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 2>after that, but I think at the time it was business,

1209
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.360
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think he wanted to hold Brett back.

1210
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there was like, dude, really going to

1211
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:24.920
<v Speaker 2>do this, You're going to leave. I don't think that

1212
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that was the case at all, because you know, he

1213
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.360
<v Speaker 2>took the opportunities when you can. And they've been together

1214
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:37.519
<v Speaker 2>a long time and you know, not prior, you know,

1215
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.599
<v Speaker 2>before this, they had familiar collection connections here, right, So

1216
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.199
<v Speaker 2>this is not something just because when they went to

1217
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.719
<v Speaker 2>the ww F that they're suddenly put together. This was

1218
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:52.599
<v Speaker 2>all Jim got the opportunity because of Brett, so he

1219
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:58.079
<v Speaker 2>couldn't really disparage him for that. And so me while

1220
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:01.880
<v Speaker 2>he probably wasn't rilled that this was happening because it

1221
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.880
<v Speaker 2>was a damn good ride, it's the heart foundation. He

1222
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:09.400
<v Speaker 2>knew that this was going to happen. So it'll make

1223
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:11.719
<v Speaker 2>the best of it and hope that you get to

1224
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:16.000
<v Speaker 2>ride that trail too, that blazing trail that Brett was

1225
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:17.280
<v Speaker 2>going to launch on.

1226
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Now, earlier in the night, the Rockers defeated the Barbarian

1227
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Hot Coup. Now this would be Marjenny's final WRESTLEMANI appearance.

1228
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.679
<v Speaker 1>And again Jim Deevil Nightheart, this is his final appearance.

1229
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting to see because you flash fort a

1230
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:35.320
<v Speaker 1>year later WrestleMania eight, yet Brett Hart fighting Roddy Piper

1231
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Icy Championship match. Shawn Michaels is a single star kicking

1232
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:41.639
<v Speaker 1>off the night against Al Mattador, Tito Santana.

1233
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.360
<v Speaker 3>So it's just weird to see the.

1234
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.840
<v Speaker 1>End of the anvil in marginety at WrestleMania, on these

1235
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.800
<v Speaker 1>high profile matches because once their tag teams break up,

1236
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:57.400
<v Speaker 1>one goes up, one goes down on each side, and

1237
01:07:58.159 --> 01:07:59.559
<v Speaker 1>really that really just came.

1238
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.320
<v Speaker 2>It was painted in a sense. I mean, it wasn't

1239
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 2>by any means planned that. Okay, that's going to be

1240
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:09.039
<v Speaker 2>their their last shining moment, and then wah wah wah.

1241
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:13.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, but they all things happened, you know. They

1242
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Jim I think, was suspended shortly after that. Uh that,

1243
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and then Marty had his issues, So those were kind

1244
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 2>of self inflicted wounds. I mean, I don't think that,

1245
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were going to push them out of

1246
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the company right after that. They had use for both

1247
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:36.239
<v Speaker 2>of them. Marty was very good, as we've talked about before.

1248
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was you know, initially I thought he

1249
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.479
<v Speaker 2>was the best half of that tag team, and so

1250
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:46.600
<v Speaker 2>he could have probably done very well in singles competition

1251
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.960
<v Speaker 2>if they found the right place for him and Jim,

1252
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe they would have hooked him up with another tag team,

1253
01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was he was good, But that

1254
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:59.079
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of where he shined. But you know,

1255
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.159
<v Speaker 2>you you live it, You live your own life, and

1256
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you you gotta make the mistakes along the road, and

1257
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:07.319
<v Speaker 2>they paid true.

1258
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, my journey gets like a thousand more chances, even

1259
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:13.560
<v Speaker 1>forms a tag team called the New Rockers with Al

1260
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Snow who was Leaf Cassidy at the time. Jimmy Invil

1261
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.560
<v Speaker 1>gets and it's like opportunity with Owen Hart as the

1262
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:21.720
<v Speaker 1>New Foundation, returning in ninety four to help Owen Hard

1263
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.239
<v Speaker 1>fight Brett Hart. So it was great to see Inville

1264
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.279
<v Speaker 1>keep coming back here and there, and Marty also keep

1265
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:28.399
<v Speaker 1>coming back here and there.

1266
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:32.279
<v Speaker 3>This WrestleMania also has the birth of the Undertaker's streak.

1267
01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Untaker defeats super Fly Jimmy Snooka. No one knows what

1268
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.159
<v Speaker 3>the streak is yet. It's just very interesting to see

1269
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 3>that Taker wins against super Fly. Here fly forward to

1270
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Survivorstars ninety one. He's fighting whole coding for the world title.

1271
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.760
<v Speaker 1>At this point, for you personally, are you looking at

1272
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Taker as someone like damn, Like this guy isn't just good,

1273
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:50.600
<v Speaker 1>he's great?

1274
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean and you talk you see about

1275
01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:59.600
<v Speaker 2>his ascension. My god, it was really it was spectacular

1276
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:03.439
<v Speaker 2>to see and you know, I've talked with other people

1277
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.600
<v Speaker 2>too about that character at the time because I was trying,

1278
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to remember, you know, talking to Chris

1279
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Chambers because he was, you know, an integral part of

1280
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:18.000
<v Speaker 2>all that too, behind the scenes that you know, that

1281
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:23.640
<v Speaker 2>character was could have been just so you know, like

1282
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.439
<v Speaker 2>almost one off. I mean, if somebody didn't know what

1283
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:28.479
<v Speaker 2>to do with it, it was kind of a you know,

1284
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.439
<v Speaker 2>it's like a dead guy, like, Okay, what are you

1285
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:35.479
<v Speaker 2>gonna do with it? Right? And and and it was

1286
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 2>like the second he came out with that you know, everything,

1287
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the outfit that he had on, the demeanor, the like

1288
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.199
<v Speaker 2>he just grabbed the presence of you know, the minute

1289
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:51.720
<v Speaker 2>he came in and he just captivated everybody there. So

1290
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:56.600
<v Speaker 2>after seeing him after a short period of time, and

1291
01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:59.399
<v Speaker 2>he just kept I always tell people like they're hitting singles, well,

1292
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.640
<v Speaker 2>he was hitting you know, triples and home runs every time,

1293
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, he came out. It wasn't just he was

1294
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.920
<v Speaker 2>his solid he was you'd just see him every time

1295
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 2>that his confidence was growing and his presence was going

1296
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't even have to say anything, and he

1297
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:18.439
<v Speaker 2>just being aware of the camera and when he would

1298
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:20.720
<v Speaker 2>make that turn and the things that he could do

1299
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:26.239
<v Speaker 2>with his eyes and so it is, it's amazing. I

1300
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:30.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know too many others that you can talk about

1301
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 2>that had that kind of a rise in the company,

1302
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:38.640
<v Speaker 2>in the profession. Then you know, Mark, he was what

1303
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:41.640
<v Speaker 2>was the mid twenties at that point, even I don't

1304
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 2>even know if he was mid twenties at that point,

1305
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 2>because I think he came in he was two or

1306
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:50.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty three. So to see where he went in that

1307
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:54.439
<v Speaker 2>short period of time and never looked back. So yeah,

1308
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:58.359
<v Speaker 2>just tremendous, and everybody was aware of it. There wasn't somebody,

1309
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:03.319
<v Speaker 2>there was nobody discounting like he's aploak. You know, it

1310
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 2>was rock solid.

1311
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:06.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had an incredible year.

1312
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.680
<v Speaker 1>And one of the storylines that I thought was so

1313
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:12.359
<v Speaker 1>excited to see the end of if this event was

1314
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Virgil defeating million dollar Man Ta Dibiassi by count out.

1315
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:17.600
<v Speaker 3>They broke up at Roy Rumble ninety one.

1316
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:19.920
<v Speaker 1>But for the past couple of years, since eighty eight,

1317
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:22.960
<v Speaker 1>they've been a package deal, Virgil always helping million dollar

1318
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.079
<v Speaker 1>man out. But now they're showing highlights of Virgil doesn't

1319
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like to massage the million dollar man's bunions and he

1320
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.399
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like to do these types of mean things anymore.

1321
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.359
<v Speaker 1>So finally we're getting Virgil. Well, he's getting paid to

1322
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 1>do these things too. I always wondered about that, like,

1323
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:39.439
<v Speaker 1>well you're getting paid to do these mean things?

1324
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Like are you not an employee of million dollar Man?

1325
01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:44.840
<v Speaker 3>But either way, he finally breaks off. They fight.

1326
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Here Piper is in the corner of Virgil and throw

1327
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.479
<v Speaker 1>out the vignettes. Piper's fine, he's doing great. Shows up

1328
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:54.640
<v Speaker 1>on crutches here. Apparently had a bad accident in a vehicle,

1329
01:12:55.079 --> 01:13:00.279
<v Speaker 1>so he's hurt. Virgil wins a Sherry ends up coming

1330
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:03.319
<v Speaker 1>down to help Mindola Man and they get together. So

1331
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:07.399
<v Speaker 1>now Sherry and Machument are over. Teddy Bear begins with Sherry.

1332
01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:09.159
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the end of the story,

1333
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:11.840
<v Speaker 1>likee is I love the Virgil of Mundela Man package,

1334
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:16.800
<v Speaker 1>But once it's over, Mundela Man and Virgil both slowly

1335
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:18.039
<v Speaker 1>go down the ranks.

1336
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean that whole gimmick was was perfect

1337
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.520
<v Speaker 2>in a sense that you know, Virgil was perfect for

1338
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:34.439
<v Speaker 2>that role. You know, the look he had, ah the

1339
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:40.159
<v Speaker 2>the way that ted treated him, and he would just

1340
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:44.680
<v Speaker 2>he would he took it even from the beginning you know,

1341
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Virgil was would always acted us, you know, he'd always

1342
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.359
<v Speaker 2>do whatever it was, but there was always kind of

1343
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:55.800
<v Speaker 2>that Okay, I remember what my place is here, and

1344
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I amn't getting paid and he's paid paid a lot

1345
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.760
<v Speaker 2>of money, and it's yeah, I grip my teeth and

1346
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.199
<v Speaker 2>when I'm gonna do it, and and so even from

1347
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning, and I'm sure that's what Vince told him,

1348
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 2>You've always got to have slow burn back, like he

1349
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:13.079
<v Speaker 2>got you're doing it, but you're not. You're not. You know,

1350
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:16.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, sure, what do you want me to do? Okay? Yeah,

1351
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:21.319
<v Speaker 2>there's always got to be that little resentment of where

1352
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:24.479
<v Speaker 2>I am, my role in life. But at the same time,

1353
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:27.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a price, you know, and it's a good price

1354
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.720
<v Speaker 2>for me. So the when we're weighing what I got

1355
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:37.359
<v Speaker 2>to do to okay, I got the scratch that was

1356
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.720
<v Speaker 2>that whole character in it. And it worked and it

1357
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:43.159
<v Speaker 2>was all and in many ways, you know, like and Ted,

1358
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.920
<v Speaker 2>his part of it was he was kind of oblivious

1359
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:51.279
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that this guy might not be thrilled

1360
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.720
<v Speaker 2>at what you're asking him to do. You know, Like

1361
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Ted always kind of had that kind of what he

1362
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.840
<v Speaker 2>was oblivious to like what he's not happy. Look at

1363
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I paid my money, you know, and never kind of

1364
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:07.600
<v Speaker 2>never that second look like you know, you eyeball on me,

1365
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of that number. And so ye know

1366
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:14.319
<v Speaker 2>that that worked, Like he said years that run was

1367
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.880
<v Speaker 2>was great. But I think that we all knew, right

1368
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:21.520
<v Speaker 2>at some point he's not going to be able to

1369
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:25.159
<v Speaker 2>take it anymore. At some point it's gonna break. At

1370
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:28.960
<v Speaker 2>some point he's gonna snap. And God, I hope he

1371
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:31.119
<v Speaker 2>gives it to him. I just hope, like all of

1372
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that all built up, that you just treated me like

1373
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:37.920
<v Speaker 2>filth and dirt and your slave and you know, and

1374
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that I'm gonna do anything you want me to do.

1375
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:45.000
<v Speaker 2>And he's just gonna he's gonna take care of it.

1376
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's what we're all waiting for. So you know

1377
01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:53.119
<v Speaker 2>that that was That was that whole gimmick.

1378
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I loved it and I loved it. I loved their

1379
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:56.640
<v Speaker 3>entire storyline.

1380
01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:59.399
<v Speaker 1>It's like in my brain, I'm not going to compare him,

1381
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:01.079
<v Speaker 1>but they're my brain and remind me of Paul Paul

1382
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Bear and Taker.

1383
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:02.760
<v Speaker 3>We're together for so long.

1384
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:04.920
<v Speaker 1>When Paul Bear eventually turned on Taker, of this big

1385
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:08.560
<v Speaker 1>moment and same thing here with Virgil and the Million

1386
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Dollar Man. But the World Championship match, obviously, Holk Cogan

1387
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.000
<v Speaker 1>wins the belt against Sartin Slaughter in the main event.

1388
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Hogan bleeds and after the match, if you're watching, I

1389
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:19.680
<v Speaker 1>think on coliseum video that Hogan and me and Jean

1390
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:22.479
<v Speaker 1>are walking backstage to go into Hogan's locker room to

1391
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.439
<v Speaker 1>have some champagne to celebrate. Sarten Slaughter is waiting there

1392
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:28.720
<v Speaker 1>with a fireball and throws a fireball in Holte Cogan's face.

1393
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So it's WrestleMania. Hogan must pose. Hogan must fireball as well. Though,

1394
01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:38.159
<v Speaker 1>how was the demeanor thinking, all right, we're going back

1395
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to Hogan. Was there a maybe an idea of maybe

1396
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.479
<v Speaker 1>we should try something else? We tried Warrior, we had

1397
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Macho Man, we got going back to Hogan, like maybe

1398
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:47.800
<v Speaker 1>we should try something different this time.

1399
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so where were they going to go?

1400
01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:54.960
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the problem, Like, yeah, that's the problem

1401
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:55.359
<v Speaker 3>there too.

1402
01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Whoever's thinking, you know, we need somebody that we need

1403
01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:04.000
<v Speaker 2>something else here, Well, they're thinking, okay, what.

1404
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:05.279
<v Speaker 3>You got right?

1405
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:11.640
<v Speaker 2>And the multi Yeah, and the Holkster was the best

1406
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:14.880
<v Speaker 2>thing that they had. And uh, and Terry knew it,

1407
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Terry always you know, you talk about

1408
01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like Brandy know you They're gonna need me. How many

1409
01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:25.319
<v Speaker 2>times did Hulklgan think that and be absolutely.

1410
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Right every time? Every time?

1411
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Right? So sure? Would we love to have would people

1412
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:35.199
<v Speaker 2>have liked to have seen maybe the Ultimate Warrior be

1413
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:39.359
<v Speaker 2>completely different and get the business and like doing it

1414
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and and uh uh you know, just be the answer

1415
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:49.159
<v Speaker 2>which could have been possible, but he just didn't. And

1416
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:54.439
<v Speaker 2>it would the Hulkster answered every time and kept him floating,

1417
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:58.199
<v Speaker 2>kept it going for better or worse whatever they thought.

1418
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.760
<v Speaker 2>But everybody what there was no other better alternative. So

1419
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.560
<v Speaker 2>those who may have been doubters at the time are thinking, like,

1420
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.680
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, here we go again. Well what else

1421
01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:12.880
<v Speaker 2>we got here? And we're struggling and things aren't good,

1422
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.399
<v Speaker 2>and we've got we've got to go with the Homester.

1423
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh again, I.

1424
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Understand from a business standpoint why you did this, because

1425
01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you just said all the good points. Well, this guy's

1426
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:25.399
<v Speaker 1>sound the most merched. This guy is the most noticeable

1427
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:27.119
<v Speaker 1>character we have. Let's put him back on all the

1428
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:29.199
<v Speaker 1>post is. Let's make sure we keep promoting this guy

1429
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:33.159
<v Speaker 1>because he's the most recognizable athlete we have in our company.

1430
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:35.439
<v Speaker 1>So it's a good way to do it, even if

1431
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:39.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't see the downfall a little bit without having

1432
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:42.039
<v Speaker 1>to build other people. It still works out for Hogan,

1433
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:45.119
<v Speaker 1>and they continue the Sardern slaughter of Hogan storyline into

1434
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.239
<v Speaker 1>some Summer Slam ninety one as well, and that does

1435
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.960
<v Speaker 1>not end well for Ultimate Warrior, which we've done a

1436
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:54.960
<v Speaker 1>whole podcast about. Now we're kind of getting to the

1437
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:56.439
<v Speaker 1>end of this podcast, but let me point out something

1438
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:57.560
<v Speaker 1>to you. We did it a wrest many of five

1439
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 1>podcasts about this four team matches on this card, fourteen matches.

1440
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm gonna.

1441
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Plow through the other ones, and I want you to

1442
01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:08.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of tell me do you think they should have

1443
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:09.039
<v Speaker 1>been on the card?

1444
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Did it needed to be on the card?

1445
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:13.840
<v Speaker 2>So we'll say even before you you listed off, I

1446
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.439
<v Speaker 2>will say that this lineup, to me was better than five.

1447
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah when they had better Yeah. So yeah, a lot

1448
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 2>a lot of matches, but better matchups.

1449
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Agreed. I do agree.

1450
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it's because the quality of the talent and

1451
01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the quality of the character for arrestmany seven has better

1452
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>characters and gimmicks than five. Five are still a little

1453
01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:38.680
<v Speaker 1>in the smoke philed Arenas. We're still like just grizzled

1454
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:40.279
<v Speaker 1>men wearing red tights.

1455
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Like here, we got a lot more yeah, and a

1456
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:50.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of eyebrow for some of the really yeah, So

1457
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:50.760
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

1458
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.840
<v Speaker 3>So we have the second match, Texas Tornado versus Dino Bravo.

1459
01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Why for the why but not as far as you know,

1460
01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:06.600
<v Speaker 2>carry's the They're both great trying to carry, they're trying

1461
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:11.479
<v Speaker 2>to put over and Dino, you know, Dino could get

1462
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it done out there. I like Dino, and uh he

1463
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>was you know, it's the whole thing with the count

1464
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.760
<v Speaker 2>of the chest and the you know. So that was

1465
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:22.199
<v Speaker 2>that to me, that was a that was a good matchup.

1466
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's weird about him too is he was the

1467
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:27.640
<v Speaker 1>world's strongest man. And then I know where they're like, well,

1468
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:29.560
<v Speaker 1>we can't have to be the world's strongest man. You know,

1469
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Hogan's pretty strong too. You're the strongest man in Canada,

1470
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:35.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, you can be the strongest man in Canada, not.

1471
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:37.760
<v Speaker 3>The world, not the world.

1472
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:44.399
<v Speaker 2>British stop bullets. She's Louise Man shot and.

1473
01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I love a bad shot again. British Bulldog defeated the Warlord.

1474
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:52.199
<v Speaker 1>These two wrestled five times in ninete tenny one. There

1475
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 1>are five pay per views in ninety one. They fight

1476
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>on all of them if you're counting the Royal Roumbull

1477
01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:03.079
<v Speaker 1>thirty Men match. Why again, I love Warlord, I love Bulldog.

1478
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Can't you figure out another combo of matches?

1479
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Well? No, I guess at the time though, And they

1480
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's that's another like Warlord. You know, Vince

1481
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.479
<v Speaker 2>he was as far as how he was put together,

1482
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:19.680
<v Speaker 2>it was just kind of the perfect Vince character. But

1483
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:23.680
<v Speaker 2>he just being like he was, he just couldn't move

1484
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.840
<v Speaker 2>like you know that, it just couldn't be helped. You mean,

1485
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.239
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't do a lot of things just because he

1486
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:35.880
<v Speaker 2>was so huge. It's just like how much war can

1487
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:38.239
<v Speaker 2>you blow him up? You know? It was and and

1488
01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:43.079
<v Speaker 2>and restricted his ability to do a lot. So I

1489
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.680
<v Speaker 2>never really enjoyed those matches with him because of that.

1490
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.159
<v Speaker 2>It just it was he was just too much. But

1491
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:52.039
<v Speaker 2>as far as what you know, Vince was was going

1492
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:55.079
<v Speaker 2>to sculpt his perfect you know, guy who wants to

1493
01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:57.479
<v Speaker 2>see in the ring, Warlord was all all over.

1494
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I remember the story. I missed a perfect

1495
01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.760
<v Speaker 1>hey can you help me here? And the Needle bounces on.

1496
01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I think you're full, you know.

1497
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.760
<v Speaker 2>And and the Bulldogs. I think he's at his peak

1498
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.960
<v Speaker 2>there too. I mean he's yeah, it's great, but I

1499
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>just it kind of restricted what you could do in there,

1500
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:25.760
<v Speaker 2>so it was kind of kind of a lumbering match,

1501
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.199
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, But like I said, better matchups than

1502
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:29.840
<v Speaker 2>what we saw.

1503
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.479
<v Speaker 3>The five million, a million times better. Like I would

1504
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.159
<v Speaker 3>rather watch seven any day of the week than have

1505
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:35.680
<v Speaker 3>to watch five.

1506
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:39.000
<v Speaker 1>And someone might be saying, how dare you and I'm like, well, sorry,

1507
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>uh tenru and how defeat Demolition? This is Demolition's final

1508
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:48.199
<v Speaker 1>match as a team. This is the end of Demolition.

1509
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:50.000
<v Speaker 1>We did a whole podcast on Demolition an hour and

1510
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:50.319
<v Speaker 1>a half.

1511
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Check it out.

1512
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:53.800
<v Speaker 1>But boy, it's so sad to see that this is

1513
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the end where they're losing to international talents that are

1514
01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.119
<v Speaker 1>clearly trying to create a business relationship with a w

1515
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.520
<v Speaker 1>w E. But you sacrifice the team that was so

1516
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:06.000
<v Speaker 1>good and you just allow them to fizzle out like this.

1517
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:09.159
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on the final match of Demolition?

1518
01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I think that there was an I

1519
01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.680
<v Speaker 2>don't remember the timeline of like the Road Warriors or

1520
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Legion of Doom coming in and.

1521
01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:23.119
<v Speaker 3>The summer of nineteen ninety, summer of nineteen nineties when

1522
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 3>LD comes in.

1523
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I think that there was kind of this

1524
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.439
<v Speaker 2>feeling feeling that they couldn't it wasn't room for both.

1525
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know, but that didn't make any

1526
01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:35.119
<v Speaker 2>sense to me because I thought they were very distinctly

1527
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.159
<v Speaker 2>different tags and what better way than to keep them

1528
01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>having you know, crossing paths. So yeah, it didn't make

1529
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:44.520
<v Speaker 2>make a whole lot of sense to me. There was

1530
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:49.600
<v Speaker 2>some stuff going on behind the scenes there. And but

1531
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, even though they would be

1532
01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>involved in the company, you know, very especially, I don't

1533
01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:01.800
<v Speaker 2>think they really got open that part of it because

1534
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I think they both realized what a what a good

1535
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:11.399
<v Speaker 2>duel they were, And so yeah, I didn't I didn't

1536
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>get it. I still don't, because they were they were traumatous,

1537
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>you know. I put them absolutely the top five tag teams.

1538
01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:20.319
<v Speaker 3>All time, same we did.

1539
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:22.479
<v Speaker 1>We did a poll on the primetime with sham Muney

1540
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel asking who the top tag teams of all

1541
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>times the Golden Era, and we put up some options,

1542
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and Demolition one clear as day because of just their

1543
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:34.479
<v Speaker 1>dominance throughout the Golden Era of wrestling. Legion to Doom, though,

1544
01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:38.319
<v Speaker 1>defeated Power and Glory in fifty nine seconds. Paul Roman

1545
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:40.479
<v Speaker 1>and Hercules were both injured at the time, so that's

1546
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:43.239
<v Speaker 1>why this match goes very quickly, so they could just

1547
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>get them on the card and then you know, get

1548
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.880
<v Speaker 1>them off the card. Earthquake defeated Greg the Hammer Valentine

1549
01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and three minutes and fourteen seconds.

1550
01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:54.399
<v Speaker 2>That's good. I'm glad it was three minutes and fourteen seconds.

1551
01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Would have been would have been interminable if it was

1552
01:24:58.159 --> 01:24:59.439
<v Speaker 2>five minutes and fourteen.

1553
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.479
<v Speaker 3>Seconds, well, if it was three minutes and fifteen seconds,

1554
01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:01.880
<v Speaker 3>you know.

1555
01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Jeez, Louise man, I got I love all these characters,

1556
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:08.039
<v Speaker 1>don't send Hey, I love all these characters. The Mounti

1557
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:11.159
<v Speaker 1>defeated Tita Santana in one minute and twenty one seconds.

1558
01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1559
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And then the last match really that we didn't talk

1560
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.920
<v Speaker 1>about so far, Internet Continent old title Mister Perfect versus

1561
01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:21.079
<v Speaker 1>The Big boss Man. During an interview with Mister Perfect,

1562
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Hainten brings up Rodney Kitten and uh the.

1563
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:27.319
<v Speaker 3>Whole police beat down.

1564
01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Of him video. I remember you're standing there.

1565
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't care you're finding a police officer character.

1566
01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, could you see how uncomfortable I was. I don't

1567
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:43.319
<v Speaker 2>know if it showed through, because I'm a pretty good stoneface,

1568
01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:48.199
<v Speaker 2>but I remember it's going like Jesus, Okay, all right,

1569
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:51.079
<v Speaker 2>you didn't just say that early, because even even dead

1570
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:54.239
<v Speaker 2>that was like, what that's one of them? Like why

1571
01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:58.079
<v Speaker 2>I understand, you know, the topical and all this stuff.

1572
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:02.319
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was only a few days before this too, very,

1573
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:04.399
<v Speaker 1>which is crazy. It's not like it happened like three

1574
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>months ago. This is this happened like three days ago

1575
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>before WrestleMania and then here.

1576
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah too still and maybe it was always going to

1577
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>be too so, but it was too soon.

1578
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:21.199
<v Speaker 1>Like you have Rocky, you know, Rocky sympathize the storyline,

1579
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:24.479
<v Speaker 1>you have Desert Storm, you have Rodney King, you know,

1580
01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:27.199
<v Speaker 1>and there's Bob Cross is pulling out like there's a

1581
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of hm. I even starting slat, I said, Willie

1582
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Nelson didn't want to be his friend anymore because he

1583
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.079
<v Speaker 1>sang the opening of this WrestleMania as well, and he's

1584
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:38.199
<v Speaker 1>so skinny. Willy Nelson, by the way, he's so skinny.

1585
01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>He's wearing a child's foam wrestling belt around his waist.

1586
01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.520
<v Speaker 1>That's how Skinny Willie Nelson was singing at the beginning

1587
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of this WrestleMania. So but all in all, uh, you know,

1588
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we did whole podcast and missed a perfect in Big

1589
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>boss Man when we took a deep dive into both

1590
01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:55.439
<v Speaker 1>of their careers in this matchup. So Big boss Man

1591
01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>defeats perfect by d Q, doesn't win the Intercontinental title,

1592
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>but at least Big Boss Man's mother is now vindicated

1593
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>because the Headen family has been making fun of her

1594
01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:05.439
<v Speaker 1>for about six months now.

1595
01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:11.399
<v Speaker 3>Those assholes, those dirty, dirty assholes. But how dare you?

1596
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:13.479
<v Speaker 3>How dare you? We have mothers themself.

1597
01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Rodney King doesn't storm too much, but I gotta say

1598
01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Rustamania seven, when I thought about rewatching it and going back,

1599
01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh boy, And then after watching it, damn,

1600
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>this is good. Like all the matches are good, even

1601
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the ones I mentioned in like saying, oh why is

1602
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>this here? Well, it's here because they're all good wrestlers

1603
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and all good characters. So what were your thoughts before

1604
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:36.159
<v Speaker 1>we wrap this up on Rustlmingia seven.

1605
01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I say, overall, I think it was a really good,

1606
01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>really good show. A lot of controversy, you know, it'll

1607
01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>be argued forever about you know what, what what went on,

1608
01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:51.159
<v Speaker 2>what was happening in the world at the time. But nonetheless,

1609
01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it was memorable for lots and lots of reasons. And

1610
01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought, considering, man, what to get there two for

1611
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>that event and you know, moving the venue and everything

1612
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:08.039
<v Speaker 2>else like that. It was a hell of a hell

1613
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.359
<v Speaker 2>of a wrestle media and it's up there. I think

1614
01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>it's it was one one of the best at the time.

1615
01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:17.600
<v Speaker 2>And uh yeah, so overall and a lot of matches,

1616
01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't have a real big problem with that

1617
01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>because it felt like you just said, the guys that

1618
01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>stepped into the ring that day, we're definitely had earned

1619
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>their right to be there. And so yes, overall, thumbs

1620
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>up good.

1621
01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>And then before we wrap this up, we have recently

1622
01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:40.399
<v Speaker 1>asked on the Prime Time with Sean Mooney Instagram at

1623
01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Real Sean Mooney. That's where you can follow us there

1624
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>for all stories and little shorts and more fun little

1625
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.239
<v Speaker 1>memories of Sean Mooney. I asked this morning, you got

1626
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>any questions for Sean Mooney And we're about to wrap up,

1627
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna throw in three right now from.

1628
01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Edgar Edgar.

1629
01:28:58.920 --> 01:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>On this, did you.

1630
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I believe I am actually your agent, so I did

1631
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>check with myself and I have said, yes, we can

1632
01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:06.199
<v Speaker 1>do this.

1633
01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:10.720
<v Speaker 3>These are easy. Don't worry. We're doing some heavy math here, Edgar, Dad,

1634
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Jay and R.

1635
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Was it supposed to be Savage versus Warrior for the

1636
01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:19.359
<v Speaker 1>title instead having Hogan fight Chic Tugboat?

1637
01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Well? Interesting there, Well, there were certainly discussions about that,

1638
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know, would that have been horrible considering it's

1639
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>going to be tugboat versus h Chic tugboat on that one? Okay,

1640
01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>but but it didn't happen. Yeah, there was absolutely there

1641
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>was a discussion about that, so sure, Yeah.

1642
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>And I imagine Savage Warrior from the title instead of

1643
01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>wh that'd be interesting in stead of careers Championship on

1644
01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the line. I love that question from Readster twenty twenty five.

1645
01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Is it true the slow ticket sales for the reason

1646
01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the venue is moved? Now we kind of discussed that earlier,

1647
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>but in your personal opinion, like your re ill opinion,

1648
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>was it ticket sales or was it safety?

1649
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it was more ticket sales. Yeah, if they

1650
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>would have let's say that that first week they sold

1651
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand tickets, they would have figured out a way

1652
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to secure that place. If you're going to sell one hundred,

1653
01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you know we're going to sell this place out, You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to figure out a way to do it. But

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<v Speaker 2>as I did mention security was a big concern, it

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<v Speaker 2>was they didn't. All it would take is one crazy

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<v Speaker 2>to make a disastrous so that was a big concern.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the overall factor in this is the

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<v Speaker 2>panic of after two weeks, you got you know, ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand seats sold, legit, you got problems, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>And then hearts buy Spirit Dreams. One asked the same

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<v Speaker 1>exact question, so they just want to know about the

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<v Speaker 1>ticket sales. But thank you for your quest as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be doing this more often allowing you to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of the Golden Era with Sean Mooney podcast

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<v Speaker 1>because we have so many in the can already, so

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<v Speaker 1>some of these won't have questions on them. But don't

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<v Speaker 1>you worry, folks, We'll get you in. Remember at Real

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Mooney, it's the prime time with Sean Money Network,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram account, it's a live and well, Facebook's alive, TikTok's alive.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here for you and thanks again for listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us talk about this amazing event. I'm see fall

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<v Speaker 1>he Shaw Mooney, have a wonderful day and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Golden Age. I'll tell you an I so

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy Stafan Loue fal history, don the Golden Tell mejuy