Speaker 1: Talking about WRESTLINGIA seven with mister Mooney. How are you
Speaker 1: doing today?
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait to talk about all those superstars
Speaker 2: and stripes today. There's all about patriotism back then and
Speaker 2: causing a lot of trouble and kissing a lot of
Speaker 2: people off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not something the w w F loves to do
Speaker 1: that and you know e as well.
Speaker 3: But I love the theme of this. Honestly.
Speaker 1: Some wrestlmanias just have like a big hey, we're a
Speaker 1: big event. This one was, Man, I really want to
Speaker 1: get an American flag right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And it was it was a time in
Speaker 2: our country we didn't you know at this point, you
Speaker 2: know where patriotism was, you know, top shelf there. I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody was into being part of our country and standing up,
Speaker 2: and I brought a lot of people together. It's just
Speaker 2: that the timing of it, as far as this event
Speaker 2: in particular, really got dicey. It was you know, you
Speaker 2: talk about two sides of a conflict here, That's pretty
Speaker 2: much what it was. You know, people were either well
Speaker 2: I guess I'm sure there were a few that were
Speaker 2: just I don't know, I'm not quite sure, but people
Speaker 2: had really strong opinions about us going forward with this,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of that the you know, that
Speaker 2: train was heading downhill and you're not going to stop
Speaker 2: that train. It's it's so they had to keep moving
Speaker 2: forward and they made several adjustments along the way. But
Speaker 2: you know, there were people really in some camps like
Speaker 2: just stop it, don't even don't move forward with it.
Speaker 2: And you know, as we know with the ww FWWE
Speaker 2: and Vince McMahon, that's not gonna happen. He's going to
Speaker 2: make something work no matter what. As I have said
Speaker 2: before in those meetings, he would say it every time,
Speaker 2: nothing can go wrong. What he meant by that was,
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, you make it work. And you know,
Speaker 2: some people can argue they didn't make it work. Well
Speaker 2: others will say, yeah, they did, they pulled it off.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a big question I have because we've
Speaker 1: talked about Sergeant Slaughter and a Rocky sympathize a character
Speaker 1: multiple times, but this time around it's really about, so
Speaker 1: why is it okay for movies to use a nine
Speaker 1: to eleven or big, huge monumental moments in American history
Speaker 1: to sell movies or T shirts, But for wrestling, when
Speaker 1: they use something like this with Sartaint slaughter in Hull,
Speaker 1: Koga and America.
Speaker 3: Why is this looked at as this, oh, you can't
Speaker 3: do this?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that people, you know, like you say,
Speaker 2: with movies or anything else, you know, they it's it's fiction.
Speaker 2: But the thing is with professional wrestling, you know, you
Speaker 2: always created that illusion that maybe there was some part
Speaker 2: of reality to it as well. And even you know,
Speaker 2: a vast majority of the audience knew it was fiction
Speaker 2: in that sense, but you know, they always I can
Speaker 2: bring in what was actually happening in the world, they
Speaker 2: capitalized on it, and so I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of people felt that they they just took advantage of
Speaker 2: a situation when they should have been more sensitive to
Speaker 2: actually what was going on. And kind of in that
Speaker 2: rule of professional wrestling, and there's no bad publicity in
Speaker 2: the sense, you know, and the more heat you get,
Speaker 2: the better it is. You know, flowers and puppies and
Speaker 2: kiddies doesn't sell like you know, blood and guts, you know,
Speaker 2: pure evil hate, you know, aggression, that's that's sell us.
Speaker 2: And so this was one of those situations where you
Speaker 2: had these characters that I mean, we discussed the heat
Speaker 2: servant slaughter generated and the other minions involved. It was
Speaker 2: it was napalm. It was the next level as far
Speaker 2: as you know, heat, death threats, and that became reality
Speaker 2: for you know, people involved in this storyline. So it
Speaker 2: really is that kind of that blur you go to
Speaker 2: the movies. You know, you know this is they believe
Speaker 2: wrestling always tried to create that, you know, there's something
Speaker 2: to it. And when you do that and they and
Speaker 2: the people that certainly know it's a work, as we say,
Speaker 2: get pissed because they're like, well, you know it's a work,
Speaker 2: and look what they're doing. You know they're they're doing
Speaker 2: they're taking advantage of this situation. But it was, you know,
Speaker 2: right up and it just kept getting worse because literally
Speaker 2: when this event took place, we've got troops on the
Speaker 2: ground and it was when you're talking life and death
Speaker 2: in that situation.
Speaker 1: Can you take me through the security systems of w
Speaker 1: w h Q in the studio you worked in, because
Speaker 1: up to we had January Royalumbo ninety one saw to
Speaker 1: win the championship. The war has started and we lead
Speaker 1: up to Sonia. We've heard stories of man calling Sargeant
Speaker 1: Slaughter saying, hey, the death threats against my family and
Speaker 1: your family. We're going to send security over's gonna take.
Speaker 2: Care of you.
Speaker 1: Serge was walking around with bulletproof vests on as he
Speaker 1: traveling around the country. What was it like for you
Speaker 1: personally in the situation buildings for Usmania, knowing that security
Speaker 1: might be an issue because it was a big issue
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we always had security at our facilities. And
Speaker 2: back then, if people know what the real setup was,
Speaker 2: we had the town, which is where was basically the
Speaker 2: WWE headquarters. That's where everything was and you know, the
Speaker 2: marketing and you know, all the corporate stuff. And then
Speaker 2: we had one twenty Hamilton, and Hamilton was was not
Speaker 2: far was the Stone's Throw really, you know, five minutes away,
Speaker 2: but you had to cross over the freeway there. I
Speaker 2: ninety five and we were tucked back into this area
Speaker 2: that was you know where houses in a very industrial
Speaker 2: area of Stanford, Connecticut. And you know, when I was there,
Speaker 2: we didn't have the big gates or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but I know that they did step up security. We
Speaker 2: had security teams there. Where's I concern when I got
Speaker 2: in my car and went to my condo in Norwalk? Now,
Speaker 2: I really didn't fear for that, but there was a
Speaker 2: stepped up sense of man, you know, they're taking this
Speaker 2: stuff very seriously. You know, Sergeant Slaughter has talked about
Speaker 2: when he went home after you know, being on the
Speaker 2: road and showing up at his house after Vince had
Speaker 2: warned him that you know, things are getting really serious.
Speaker 2: And he goes to his house in Connecticut and you
Speaker 2: know this long road that goes up this hill where
Speaker 2: his house was, and there's vans out in front of
Speaker 2: the house. Well, Vince had secured a security team. You know,
Speaker 2: these guys in suits were talking in their ear you know,
Speaker 2: with the earpieces and yeah, and they were at his
Speaker 2: house twenty four to seven, and they wanted to go
Speaker 2: as far as you know, accompanying his wife and family
Speaker 2: whenever they went to the store and all these you know,
Speaker 2: everything else, because they really did have to protect start
Speaker 2: starteg somebody with them all the time. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: especially because he was out there traveling. But but sorry,
Speaker 2: his wife said, you know, no that we're not We're
Speaker 2: not doing that. I'm not going to do that. But
Speaker 2: they did watch the house and they took it very
Speaker 2: very seriously. And also, you know, people knew who were
Speaker 2: who the guy would be on the curtain was, so
Speaker 2: Vince McMahon was getting a lot of threats as well.
Speaker 2: So it was it was a really weird time. You know,
Speaker 2: when you live in that world, you get used to that.
Speaker 2: You know, we had security around. Uh you know the
Speaker 2: famous shot of me and and Bobby in front of
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Center with Bobby dressed and dragged there. If
Speaker 2: you see that that picture, there's a guy in the
Speaker 2: in the middle of us there, and uh, he's a
Speaker 2: security that's a security guy, and he you know, you
Speaker 2: get to know these guys and I remember seeing that
Speaker 2: and I remember him because he was around all the time.
Speaker 2: He took care of us and it you know, it
Speaker 2: might be just one guy, but whenever we did shoots
Speaker 2: like that, we had we had security around. But at
Speaker 2: that point, when you're you know, leading into russell Mania
Speaker 2: seven and everything that was going on there, it was
Speaker 2: definitely stepped up. You saw more more bands following, you
Speaker 2: know us, and when we did things, uh, more guys
Speaker 2: at the at the events because they didn't want to
Speaker 2: take any chances. But you always had to have somebody
Speaker 2: around because there were people that weren't balanced and you
Speaker 2: never knew what they might do, and incidents like that happened,
Speaker 2: but this was where somebody actually take a shot at
Speaker 2: you know, Sarge or you know, something like that. So
Speaker 2: it was a really tense time for the company.
Speaker 1: Now kind of like a two part question, is that
Speaker 1: worth all of that security for Vince and his family
Speaker 1: in the side and slaught for our storyline for a
Speaker 1: television show for professional wrestling? Or also the question would
Speaker 1: be do you think Vince is like opening up a
Speaker 1: curtain in his house and seeing securities.
Speaker 3: Like can you believe it? They hate us so much?
Speaker 3: I want to kill us, Like this is amazing.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't I don't think that that's the way
Speaker 2: Vince looked at because it was becomes a big inconvenience
Speaker 2: in your life. Anybody that's ever had to deal with that.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe at first you feel really important because
Speaker 2: you got people, You've got people following you around and
Speaker 2: the you know, the moon parts on the move whatever
Speaker 2: it is. But after a while I was like, oh god,
Speaker 2: you know these guys are just here. Yeah. So I
Speaker 2: don't think that Vince really looked at it that way.
Speaker 2: But overall, I mean, I think the level of heat
Speaker 2: he knew that that was going to translate into, you know,
Speaker 2: more money for the company and more interest in what
Speaker 2: we were doing. So it's the event. You know, you're
Speaker 2: thinking about when this was in the company's history and
Speaker 2: you know, business wasn't great and they, as we know,
Speaker 2: originally they wanted to sell out the LA Coliseum. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know the LA Coliseum. What's it whole one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten thousand something, you know at the time, and
Speaker 2: it's an awful venue for what we want to do.
Speaker 2: If you've ever been in there, Steve, it's a It
Speaker 2: is a coliseum.
Speaker 3: I've only walked by it. I've never actually been inside.
Speaker 2: It is gigantic. It is gigantic. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the original intent for the design of that thing, but
Speaker 2: it really wasn't designed for any sport. I mean, unless
Speaker 2: maybe it was gladiators.
Speaker 3: That's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Because you're just so far away and it's antic. And
Speaker 2: even back then, I thought when they first announced that
Speaker 2: that's what they wanted to do, how are you going
Speaker 2: to fill this? And it was you know, we weren't
Speaker 2: really into that age of where we had the big
Speaker 2: you know, people had jumbo trons, but it wasn't anything
Speaker 2: like what they evolved into where you had all of
Speaker 2: the you know, the monitors everywhere, so you the guys
Speaker 2: would have looked like this big, you know when you
Speaker 2: see them from where they even the good seats were
Speaker 2: going to be far away. And and this was also
Speaker 2: before they were doing the you know, the giant stages
Speaker 2: that we see. It was way way before that. And
Speaker 2: and so what are you going to have. Imagine this
Speaker 2: like your center your center stage is going to be
Speaker 2: a ring in this giangantic coliseum and uh and not
Speaker 2: very well built for something like that. So they they
Speaker 2: and there's a documentation that people say, you know that
Speaker 2: the ticket sales were just awful. I think you know,
Speaker 2: within the first two weeks they'd only sold I think
Speaker 2: they said fifteen sixteen thousand, and people say it was
Speaker 2: closer to ten. So you know, so it's mass panic.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know. I Basil Dedido, who I'm
Speaker 2: sure people some people have heard of them, especially we've
Speaker 2: talked about them on the podcast, was kind of the
Speaker 2: marketing guy behind all this and mapping out ticket sales,
Speaker 2: and so you can imagine after two weeks and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, what are we going to do?
Speaker 2: So there was definitely something to when they switching the
Speaker 2: venue to say, you know, it's a big security risk.
Speaker 2: And I think that they will that'll go to their
Speaker 2: graves of saying that that's that was the reason. But
Speaker 2: and I and I will not I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it wasn't part of the equation here. But also
Speaker 2: the idea that we're going to have on one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten thousand seat stadium and maybe we could put
Speaker 2: in thirty thousand. Can you imagine what that would look
Speaker 2: like in there? You're not going to be flying the
Speaker 2: blimp over that will wrestle Lady of seven.
Speaker 1: A lot, push them all the hard camera, hard camera,
Speaker 1: so it looks from this one camera angle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob Collins, I always talk about him, is you
Speaker 2: know the promotion guy that he used to you know,
Speaker 2: you move people around during the night when we did
Speaker 2: TV tapings as the kids fell asleep or had to
Speaker 2: get a home, go to school, be doing that. They'd
Speaker 2: have to, you know, be moving people in mass But anyway,
Speaker 2: it came down to that where they were going to
Speaker 2: have to they just realized, you know, we're not this
Speaker 2: is not going to look good. So we got to
Speaker 2: find an alternative, which they did with the LA they
Speaker 2: were in LA.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it worked, it worked out for them.
Speaker 2: But and you know, they had shown what we could
Speaker 2: do with those small arenas at the Boardwalk in New
Speaker 2: Jersey of Atlantic City, and you know, those things only
Speaker 2: had I think there was seventeen eighteen thousand people, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's all perception on those campus and if
Speaker 2: it's a packed house, no matter if it's you know,
Speaker 2: twelve fifteen thousand, you can make it look like this
Speaker 2: exciting venue. And you know that's that was going to
Speaker 2: be easy to do. They were going to be able
Speaker 2: to pack that thing to the rafts.
Speaker 1: No, they dressed it very nicely. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: when you turn on Wrestling seven and I washed it
Speaker 1: for the first time in so long.
Speaker 3: The first thing I see it's like you see the
Speaker 3: American flags.
Speaker 1: You see the wrestling you sign that has red, white
Speaker 1: and blue in the logo. They've changed it up a
Speaker 1: little bit from the gold over the years, the yellow,
Speaker 1: so it's it's you can tell like they have a
Speaker 1: theme for this. Even if they were going to fill
Speaker 1: up one hundred thousand people, I'm assuming you know, these
Speaker 1: these little banners had to be printed out once they
Speaker 1: realized by February they weren't going to go to the coliseum,
Speaker 1: and they're all right, well, we gotta we gotta order
Speaker 1: some shit now because we don't have a giant banner
Speaker 1: to fill one hundred thousand. We got to fill you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand. So you're right about that. They'll die to
Speaker 1: their graves. Was it security reasons? Was it poor ticket sales?
Speaker 3: Either way?
Speaker 1: Finding out that the weather was fifty five degrees that
Speaker 1: evening on WrestleMania, So imagine that you're in La one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people, it's fifty five degrees in today's world.
Speaker 3: Even when they go wrestling Flora, they.
Speaker 1: Have a heated mat because they want to make sure
Speaker 1: the wrestlers say, how you said toasty?
Speaker 2: Imagine they come on and you know, fifty five degrees,
Speaker 2: You of all people should know, like, fifty five degrees.
Speaker 2: Well we're shorts. I wait, people in Los Angeles, Yeah,
Speaker 2: fifty five degrees. Oh my god, I'll have that letter. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hats and gloves, man.
Speaker 1: I went to Philly for WrestleMania thirty nine and it
Speaker 1: was freezing winter.
Speaker 3: Hats, coats, sweatshirts, gloves.
Speaker 1: We were dying up in the press box because it
Speaker 1: was so cold, and then the w W the next
Speaker 1: day was like, We're never coming back here again.
Speaker 3: So, you know, fifty five, it is pretty damn cold
Speaker 3: Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: You're right, you know, but with Wrestlmanias there's always celebrities
Speaker 1: in this celebrity Oh my god, I love this group
Speaker 1: of celebrities, Like these guys clearly wanted to be involved.
Speaker 3: You have you have Alex Trebek, who has wonderful moments
Speaker 3: throughout the night. You also have a few interesting pieces here.
Speaker 1: Marla Maples, who was involved with Donald Trump at the time,
Speaker 1: eventually becomes his.
Speaker 3: Wife, Missus Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's actually in the audience as well, with
Speaker 1: Henry Winkler, Chuck.
Speaker 3: Norris, Lou frigg. What a couple of celebrities in the audience.
Speaker 2: Huh, who do you think I was more excited about
Speaker 2: all those people?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess Henry Winkler.
Speaker 2: No, Chuck Norris. Come on, he was like such a badass.
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to meet him. Yeah. You know what, though,
Speaker 2: the surprising is how small he You know, like a
Speaker 2: lot of times you meet these celebrities and uh, you
Speaker 2: know there they're like five seven five five, Like that's
Speaker 2: a big tough, badass guy that I see on TV.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people are like that Tom
Speaker 2: Cruises and that tall Stas and Stadium's not that you know,
Speaker 2: these guys that are known as these big, massive, tough
Speaker 2: guys and you can see what they can do. They
Speaker 2: make them look like on TV. But that didn't matter.
Speaker 2: He was still Chuck Norris and he was still a
Speaker 2: fucking badass. I'm sorry, But.
Speaker 3: So they all came backstage, well.
Speaker 2: You know, they were around you know that. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: it wasn't like he got a chance to hang with him.
Speaker 2: The other the one I did get to hang with
Speaker 2: was Regis on occasions because he you know, so we
Speaker 2: should talk about Reechs at some point. But he was
Speaker 2: a huge wrestling fan and so Regis would come and
Speaker 2: he lived in New York did they take their show there?
Speaker 2: And he would come to the Garden shows all the time.
Speaker 2: And he was really good friends with Freddie Blassie because
Speaker 2: you know, Freddie lived in southern California for a lot
Speaker 2: of his career and was really well known there. And
Speaker 2: as I said, Regis was a huge fan of Professional
Speaker 2: Westling and he used to have Freddie come on his
Speaker 2: show that he had there. He had a morning show there,
Speaker 2: I think it was in San Diego. And so they
Speaker 2: became really very close friends. And Regis was around all
Speaker 2: the time, a huge fan and he was really a
Speaker 2: good guy too. You know, he would he would just
Speaker 2: come and hang out. He just loved being around the boys.
Speaker 2: And also how many how many times he had recites
Speaker 2: on Regis and Kathy Lee she hated it. She hated
Speaker 2: it when they would come on there. But Regis, you know,
Speaker 2: he was a he was he was in charge, and
Speaker 2: he loved bringing those guys on and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of it he loved to do it just because
Speaker 2: he knew it would tweak her. Remember Rick Rude came
Speaker 2: on and he had the tights with her face on
Speaker 2: the front of its crotch and he did that on Burt.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that that he told him to, you know,
Speaker 2: this would be awesome, and it worked. I think she
Speaker 2: walked off the set.
Speaker 1: She does she goes up there's like fake stairs. I
Speaker 1: think in the set she like leaves and goes back
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I like anyway, getting back to Uh, the
Speaker 2: celebrities there, and it was come on, we were in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. It was easy pickings and and and surprisingly
Speaker 2: or maybe not, but you know a lot of celebrities
Speaker 2: love professional wrest you know, they're the same as you know,
Speaker 2: rock stars too. You know, guys would come h they all.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because these guys are very successful
Speaker 2: in professionals and you know, the guys that were musicians
Speaker 2: wanted to be actors, and actors wanted to be you know, musicians,
Speaker 2: and the actors want to be professional wrestlers. And the
Speaker 2: same thing with these guys. So this was not a
Speaker 2: tough sell, you know to get. I think that they actually,
Speaker 2: you know, turned down people, you know, to give little
Speaker 2: tickets and stuff because they wanted it, you know, but
Speaker 2: it was quice a turnout. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Alex Trebek is also here.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to forget him because you know, Jeopardy
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest things in the world at
Speaker 1: this point in time. In ninety one, again you have
Speaker 1: Regis Philibert and Kathy Lee having their amazing morning show.
Speaker 3: But when I was like, Marlin mable who that? And
Speaker 3: I had to go googles, Oh that's why.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's why you're here because you were involved with
Speaker 1: a scandal with Trump at the time, and we couldn't
Speaker 1: really prove you were involved weren't involved, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring you in here for some I don't know, some
Speaker 1: gotcha journalism maybe.
Speaker 3: But Regis is hilarious.
Speaker 1: When me and Jean introduces all the celebrities, he's backstage
Speaker 1: with them. He introduces Regis and the first thing he says,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm afraid of earthquake.
Speaker 3: I already pick over a pizza cart and meat the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: And Jean's like, all right, Uh, Marla, let's go to Marla.
Speaker 3: Marla says she's.
Speaker 1: Going to be backstage doing interviews in the men's locker room,
Speaker 1: and she is going to tell it like she sees it.
Speaker 1: Jean starts laughing and says, there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of cold showers tonight. What And then we go to
Speaker 1: Alex Trebek and means like me, Jane's like my best
Speaker 1: friend here, Alex Trebeck. We're very close friends. And Alex
Speaker 1: does not call it Jean by his name. He mistakenly
Speaker 1: says a different name. And this is where I go, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be good, like this is gonna be
Speaker 1: good stuff. But how often do celebrities come forth and
Speaker 1: be like I want to do all this fun stuff
Speaker 1: or some of very very closed off like I want
Speaker 1: to do exactly what I'm supposed to be doing because
Speaker 1: I don't want to expose who I really am.
Speaker 2: Yeah that you know, some of them are you know,
Speaker 2: really into it, and others were just looking for an opportunity.
Speaker 2: That that was what it was kind of cool to
Speaker 2: see happened, because you know, initially, I'm sure uh, years
Speaker 2: before that, if somebody would have gone to a celebrity
Speaker 2: and say, hey, they the WWF wants you to come
Speaker 2: on a bit like what, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 2: believe and they'd asked me to do that, I would know.
Speaker 2: That's to the point where you know, people are going, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are paying attention to this, and
Speaker 2: and they're the cool kids, and so it got to
Speaker 2: the point where you know, they could pick and choose
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways to do that, and some
Speaker 2: of it was just cameo, just have them there so
Speaker 2: you see him, which is awesome. You know they're just
Speaker 2: sitting watching and enjoying it. But there are other people
Speaker 2: that you know that were high profile enough and if
Speaker 2: they could get them to do some kind of shtick
Speaker 2: with them, absolutely, And that was what was great about
Speaker 2: Alex Trebek is that, you know, here he was. People
Speaker 2: really had never gotten a chance to see Alex Trebek.
Speaker 2: And it's in kind of that situation. You never really
Speaker 2: saw him going on talk shows. You didn't see people
Speaker 2: interviewing him very often. So to see him, you know,
Speaker 2: out of that that very stoic, uh, you know, very
Speaker 2: straight man delivery game show host guy. Uh. Trying to
Speaker 2: loosen up him a little bit, but uh, it was
Speaker 2: it was what was funny. It was very difficult for
Speaker 2: him to do it. I think he wanted to, he
Speaker 2: just wasn't capable. You know, It's just it was just
Speaker 2: kind of like robotic in a sense. You know that
Speaker 2: I and I've known other people like that too, you know,
Speaker 2: like you want to have fun, you want to get in,
Speaker 2: and you just it's just too hard for you. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that was fun. Yes, yeah, he And that's that's just
Speaker 2: the way Regis was though. You could throw that guy
Speaker 2: into any situation and uh, and he would make it work.
Speaker 2: And and he that that was like his whole kind
Speaker 2: of self deprecating and uh, you know, making fun of
Speaker 2: people and rolling with things. So yeah, he was a
Speaker 2: natural for it, and he he loved it. He would
Speaker 2: have done every I think every WrestleMania we had, you
Speaker 2: know that they want they asked him to. I mean
Speaker 2: every time he would, he would be there. I actually
Speaker 2: I went to a dinner one night where Freddie was.
Speaker 2: Freddie was receiving some kind of lifetime achievement award. It
Speaker 2: was in New York City, and uh, Regis came down
Speaker 2: and presented the award to him.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And you know, we went to the dinner and also
Speaker 2: out at the table, Joy was there. I remember Joy
Speaker 2: Philvin who would fill in all the time. She she
Speaker 2: came to and uh and uh, Miyako was Freddie's We
Speaker 2: get well, I got to tell you stories. We have
Speaker 2: to do an episode just of Freddie. And I've mentioned
Speaker 2: before how close we became. But I've got some command
Speaker 2: of stories because they would send us out together too,
Speaker 2: kind of the ambassadors, because Freddie lived in Scarsdale, and
Speaker 2: you know, and I was at the h the mother Ship,
Speaker 2: and and so we would do all kinds of stuff
Speaker 2: that we'd go to golf tournaments and but getting dude
Speaker 2: right now that we got to do Freddy, Freddy was
Speaker 2: just he was He was no classy. Uh so.
Speaker 3: Don't on that geek.
Speaker 2: That's the first word that comes to mind when you
Speaker 2: think of Freddie blasting. But yeah, so there was a
Speaker 2: real strong connection. And Regis was one of those people
Speaker 2: that he was, you know, up until the time that
Speaker 2: he really retired, that guy was still uh you know
Speaker 2: on television, you know, hosting game shows, and he just
Speaker 2: was uh, you know, tremendous and as I said, he
Speaker 2: a really great guy. And some of these guys, like
Speaker 2: you said, you would see quite often when I told
Speaker 2: you that, like Bob Costas used to come to the
Speaker 2: Garden all the time just be backstage. He just would
Speaker 2: slip in and just hang out.
Speaker 3: Well he didn't hang out here.
Speaker 2: Shows every month. So yes, so celebrities, Oh yeah, we
Speaker 2: will talk about that. Yeah. I felt was kind of like, really, Bob,
Speaker 2: you know, and that that's where I kind of started
Speaker 2: to yeah, well, I mean like that we were buds
Speaker 2: or anything like that. My feeling of hey, dude, you
Speaker 2: know you you took advantage and wanted to be there.
Speaker 2: You're like you were a mark basically, and then now
Speaker 2: suddenly your highbrow. I mean really after you know, all
Speaker 2: the opportunities that they gave you and you know, welcomed
Speaker 2: you in and this is what you do. And of
Speaker 2: course over that interview with Vince was kind of dude.
Speaker 2: So anyway that there was always the strong connection to
Speaker 2: celebrities and of course being intinsultown for this one, it
Speaker 2: was it was really I mean, we had our pick
Speaker 2: these guys. A lot of people wanted to be a
Speaker 2: part of it. You know, some just basically got cameos
Speaker 2: and others they h actually got to do some shick
Speaker 2: with him, which I think that I think those guys
Speaker 2: always enjoy it. I really do.
Speaker 1: Are we just he pulls off. I think he's the
Speaker 1: MVP of celebrities because he's back staying. He's interviewing the Undertaker,
Speaker 1: and the Taker is just measuring him like thirty four,
Speaker 1: and Paul Beer is writing them down. Oh okay, like
Speaker 1: are they gonna kill me?
Speaker 3: They're gonna bury me?
Speaker 2: Ya, They're gonna always said he's a tailor too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he also interviews like ten Ru and there's
Speaker 1: a language barrier there, so he just does.
Speaker 2: Dropping down right, He's like.
Speaker 3: Kis Oh my god, what are we doing? What are
Speaker 3: we doing? But again it's nine tinety one.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not gonna look at it with these
Speaker 1: today's eyeballs.
Speaker 3: But Alex Tabak has a few interviews backstage. Again you're bright.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's trying to break out of his shell,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't know how, Like he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: extreme levels to go up, so he just gonna stay flat,
Speaker 1: which is fine. Martley really doesn't do much at all
Speaker 1: with all night long. She's supposed to be a timekeeper
Speaker 1: in the main event, which is really it. But again,
Speaker 1: I think she's here for the tabloids at this time
Speaker 1: because most likely you know, I don't have the Inquirer
Speaker 1: from the next day after WrestleMania seven, but I'm guaranteeing
Speaker 1: she's in it.
Speaker 3: Because of her relation at the time, Donald Trump. That's
Speaker 3: my guest. Really, that's my guest.
Speaker 2: It wasn't this incredible talent that they had to get her? What?
Speaker 3: Nope? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Were there any celebrities backstage though that you don't see
Speaker 1: on camera that because you're in Los Angeles, like you
Speaker 1: brought up, like there's got to be somebody backstage if
Speaker 1: you can remember, well.
Speaker 2: Everybody you saw was who's there? I mean, somebody was
Speaker 2: going to show up.
Speaker 1: Just they didn't just let like a comp come backstage
Speaker 1: and hang out.
Speaker 2: But but I do remember, you know, when these people
Speaker 2: would come suddenly they had an arm garage of about
Speaker 2: twenty people. Always I'm sure that some of these people
Speaker 2: did have have peeps, but this time it was the wife,
Speaker 2: it was the kids. Uh you know, it was an uncle,
Speaker 2: it was a brother. You know, It's like they had
Speaker 2: these It would be, you know, one guy and then
Speaker 2: twenty people are coming and depending on their level of celebrity,
Speaker 2: was how big the crowd. So I'd tell them, like,
Speaker 2: you know, one person, if they really wanted them there,
Speaker 2: like I'd say, like it was if Henry Winkler was
Speaker 2: going to come up and he said, like I got
Speaker 2: tak twenty people want to bring them him, like Rember,
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, yeah, Mom's But but I do remember
Speaker 2: that it was like with all these you know, and
Speaker 2: they were just we're with them, you know, we're with him,
Speaker 2: you know, but they just wanted to be there. Then
Speaker 2: they wanted to be backstage, and of course they got
Speaker 2: some pretty prime seats too, for show them up. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily they were paying them fees to be there.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you know that they did do stick.
Speaker 2: They got they got a piece, you know, got some
Speaker 2: some of that perse money. But just like if you
Speaker 2: just if you were a celebrity wanted to be there,
Speaker 2: and they would comp tickets because in exchange, you're gonna
Speaker 2: let us show you and show how cool it is
Speaker 2: that you're here and that you're really happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Right, So this is this little boys, the agent is
Speaker 1: this your son? Yeah, he's my agent. He's got to come,
Speaker 1: he has to be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But what's funny like that the number of the
Speaker 2: entourage would would certainly grow when they came to with
Speaker 2: those events, because yeah, and it just showed you how
Speaker 2: popular we were at the time, you know that as
Speaker 2: far as that with the celebrities said business was, but
Speaker 2: when it came down to people getting a chance to
Speaker 2: be close to those guys, everybody showed up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm brought up for a minute though, Bob cost Us
Speaker 1: and Roseanne refused to be here at Russemani because of
Speaker 1: the Gulf War storyline. Listen, like you said, you show
Speaker 1: up when we're hot and everyone loves us once there's
Speaker 1: a little heat.
Speaker 3: Like oh I I guys, gotta go, I gotta go.
Speaker 3: That happens a lot.
Speaker 1: I think with connections like that, where you see something
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I don't want my name attached to
Speaker 1: that because maybe it'll land back on me.
Speaker 2: Yeah Roseanne, Yeah, and thank god we didn't have her
Speaker 2: there to sing the national anthem.
Speaker 3: You know, she's the best, She's the greatest. How dare you?
Speaker 2: But I get it in a lot of ways. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got people that are managing you and telling you
Speaker 2: this isn't going to be good and for us to
Speaker 2: do this, and so yeah, maybe that's had something to
Speaker 2: do with it. And you know, when you're working for
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the time where she was,
Speaker 2: but you know, if let's say you're working you're under
Speaker 2: contract for a show or something like that, and they say,
Speaker 2: you know, this isn't going to be good, this is
Speaker 2: not a good reflection on our products, so we're asking
Speaker 2: you not to do it. So a lot of that
Speaker 2: stuff I didn't if somebody said no, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do it, I didn't necessarily think, well, it's because
Speaker 2: of them. They're being a jerk about it. You got
Speaker 2: to understand that it got people handling them and that
Speaker 2: have some control of their lives and what they do,
Speaker 2: so they're going to make decisions that way. Bob was
Speaker 2: different because for me anyway, because he was really connected
Speaker 2: to our product in a lot of ways that he
Speaker 2: would know, he was around all the time. He was
Speaker 2: a big, big fan, and then just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: turned I don't know really when it came down to it.
Speaker 2: I don't genuinely think it was because his outrage over
Speaker 2: the storyline, So that one was different from me.
Speaker 1: But you're upset about Roseann war. It's more personal with
Speaker 1: you in Roseanne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Earth then get it, you know?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: All right, well, you know the main event of this
Speaker 1: WrestleMania is Hogan versus starting slaughter. But original plans was
Speaker 1: when tug Boat turned a wholt Cogan. He was going
Speaker 1: to be Typhoon and joining up with earth quake natural disasters. No, no,
Speaker 1: he was going to be chic tug Boat. He was
Speaker 1: going to be an Iraqi sympathizer, where he was going
Speaker 1: to be the one who suddenly loved and hated America.
Speaker 2: Did about it doesn't that it sounds so up speak
Speaker 2: tug Boat. They can put the like like oh like
Speaker 2: it's music. Yeah, I'm I'm glad that didn't happen. I
Speaker 2: I think that would have been a disaster. And uh
Speaker 2: I love I love me some Fred, but that one
Speaker 2: was not you know, coming out the stripes and the
Speaker 2: sailor and putting change in that over that was a
Speaker 2: tough stunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't think that would have worked.
Speaker 1: You know, we already didn't starting slot in. Hogan already
Speaker 1: had poors ticket sales. You know, according to everything chic
Speaker 1: tug Boat versus Hogan might have might have been worse. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. But you know, you had
Speaker 1: a busy night arrest wenty seven though you interviewed the rockers,
Speaker 1: Slick Warlord, Heart Foundation, Legion of Doom, Start and Slaughter,
Speaker 1: and you're involved with Bobby Heen and mister Perfect. Wow,
Speaker 1: you got at you had a busy day, sir, You
Speaker 1: had a busy day.
Speaker 3: You're in your pay. You earned your pay that day.
Speaker 1: But how so we talked before about how some people
Speaker 1: can get down to the business immediately one take done
Speaker 1: with this group of people. How long is this taken
Speaker 1: to do throughout the day, because what time are you
Speaker 1: coming to the arena to record all these interviews are
Speaker 1: gonna air later on well.
Speaker 2: And and some of them WERELD I can't recall exactly
Speaker 2: which ones, but yeah, but because we've talked about that before,
Speaker 2: like when it has to be something that's a post
Speaker 2: for there's nothing you can really do about it, You've
Speaker 2: got to you got to roll with it. Yes, But yeah,
Speaker 2: we did the you know, the backstage tapings and these
Speaker 2: and all those guys you know, uh, we're really good,
Speaker 2: you know, basically one take. I don't remember times when
Speaker 2: we did these. And at this point, these guys had
Speaker 2: become well worsed early on in the career. In the
Speaker 2: career these people and let's say they were territories and
Speaker 2: they didn't have the opportunity to do as many you
Speaker 2: know type promos and especially the kind that we did.
Speaker 2: But at this point, you know, and these guys were
Speaker 2: seasoned vets and this was half your job, was you
Speaker 2: being able to perform in front of a camera and
Speaker 2: be able to do a promo. So you know, we
Speaker 2: got we would get right through these things. And everybody
Speaker 2: felt the pressure because as I've mentioned before, you know,
Speaker 2: Vince was there for everything, and if he wasn't in
Speaker 2: the physically in the room with you, he was watching
Speaker 2: in the truck or something like that, he would he
Speaker 2: would see everything. So we all knew that when we
Speaker 2: it was go time, we had to nail it. And
Speaker 2: and I don't you know, I'm sure there were exceptions,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, everybody nailed. There was not
Speaker 2: you know, to the point we were going back and
Speaker 2: back then we were. It wasn't the scripted thing. I
Speaker 2: think would have been a much more difficult time for
Speaker 2: everybody if there were words on a page that we
Speaker 2: all had to hit. We had you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys had creative licensees in the sense that
Speaker 2: you know your character, you know we're going a hit
Speaker 2: these bullet points basically, And so it was in many ways.
Speaker 4: And as you could that you could say, I say,
Speaker 4: you know genuinely, like you think that was a genuinely
Speaker 4: coming from that care that these guys knew those those
Speaker 4: characters so well that they were speaking for that character.
Speaker 2: And so I that's why I think like back then
Speaker 2: they were so good that those the promos because you know,
Speaker 2: none of them were ever if you did two takes
Speaker 2: or three takes, they weren't. They weren't exactly the same.
Speaker 2: They were going to be different by a few words
Speaker 2: or a different you know look, or whatever they would do.
Speaker 2: And so I think that's what made them so good.
Speaker 2: But we would you know, it was a tight schedule,
Speaker 2: and you know, they moved these guys in and out,
Speaker 2: and they were doing stuff, especially for WrestleMania. There was
Speaker 2: all other kinds of stuff going on, and you know
Speaker 2: they wanted them out there in the ring. They rehearse,
Speaker 2: you know, at least talk about their spots stuff. So
Speaker 2: you know, when you got them in there, it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's go. I don't remember really even getting a chance
Speaker 2: to sit down, you know, to I have a bottle
Speaker 2: of water off the side there. But it was one
Speaker 2: after another, and you know we might knock them all
Speaker 2: off in a couple of hours, but it had to
Speaker 2: get done. And we had crews. You know, they don't
Speaker 2: have the cruise that they have now, so you know,
Speaker 2: even these camera guys, they were going to be somewhere else,
Speaker 2: you know, and at four or whatever it was, and
Speaker 2: so and we were out there days before, so we
Speaker 2: were shooting stuff. Uh, but we might have to do
Speaker 2: something might change, you know. Also the things would change too,
Speaker 2: they would go in a different direction, maybe tweaking something
Speaker 2: like that. So they need the guy that we're going
Speaker 2: to rede that promo. So you just had to be
Speaker 2: ready whenever they needed you. So you know, it was
Speaker 2: really efficient. Uh And and you roll off that list
Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, I guess there was a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, but those days are kind of a blur
Speaker 2: in the sense that you just that's what you did,
Speaker 2: and you had to be prepped and ready, and I
Speaker 2: had to know when this guy came in, we'd run
Speaker 2: through it. And as I have always said, you know,
Speaker 2: you've got to make sure. My job was to make
Speaker 2: sure whoever was there that I made all the moving
Speaker 2: parts work, that I this guy's talk at first, get
Speaker 2: to the guy in back. Then you're back up front.
Speaker 2: He's gonna either go into the camera and they're going
Speaker 2: to be out of this, go back to me. And
Speaker 2: I got to say, all right, let's get back to
Speaker 2: the ring. Let's get back to the ringside brow or
Speaker 2: you know. So, yeah, it was a lot going on,
Speaker 2: but I knew that when it was my time I
Speaker 2: had to make sure that I nail it. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to be that guy that held it up, and
Speaker 2: so I made sure that you know, this is like
Speaker 2: you said, you have one job movie, don't don't be
Speaker 2: that bad the bad week.
Speaker 1: Say that it's true.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the way I actually looked at it.
Speaker 2: You know that. I I just I respected so much
Speaker 2: what those guys did, and I don't want I'm not
Speaker 2: saying look talent and what I did, but I said, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not the folk, I'm not the focus of this,
Speaker 2: you know, I am the one that I'm the mic
Speaker 2: stand in the sense. I mean, I don't hate put
Speaker 2: it that way, but I've got to make sure that
Speaker 2: everybody gets heart. That was like an art in itself,
Speaker 2: especially when you had, you know, if it was four
Speaker 2: or five guys in one interview. But yeah, that was
Speaker 2: that was my job. And when I had to, when
Speaker 2: I had to be ready to go, I was.
Speaker 1: Is there a line of wrestlers waiting behind each other
Speaker 1: or is there a specific time for each one to
Speaker 1: show up? Because I met in my brain it's like
Speaker 1: there's the Rockers, but next to them is the Heart Foundation,
Speaker 1: but next to them is slick, like there's a long
Speaker 1: ass line. They're all waiting, tapping their toes like Disney lines,
Speaker 1: or they all have a specific time at a different
Speaker 1: time of the day.
Speaker 2: Well, like anything else, try and schedule things right, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. And okay, you know, it's a tugboat from
Speaker 2: two to two ten's, you know, and then things get
Speaker 2: backed up, somebody comes in, you know, somebody gets pulled,
Speaker 2: they come back. So yeah, there was there was a backup.
Speaker 2: And it was funny because you know, here these guys
Speaker 2: would be used to performing in front of thousands of
Speaker 2: people and uh and doing hundreds of promos every TV taping.
Speaker 2: They're going into the Cube. I've told you about that,
Speaker 2: the Soundproof Cube. But there was something about you know, WrestleMania,
Speaker 2: as big as it was, and on certain occasions that
Speaker 2: when let's say, like you said, it got backed up
Speaker 2: and then somebody would come in and and some of
Speaker 2: the guys who would make them self conscious that one
Speaker 2: of the other guys was watching them, and you could
Speaker 2: see it, like the the anxiety of like, fuck in
Speaker 2: front of you know, the rockets, I don't want to
Speaker 2: you know, And it was funny because they were there.
Speaker 2: There were people like that. You know, like Fred would
Speaker 2: be that way a little bit. You know that she
Speaker 2: she tugboat and and initially he had a really tough time,
Speaker 2: but he got much better. But it was funny that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking about where she you're in front
Speaker 2: of all these things, all these all this pressure and
Speaker 2: the rain and everything, and that something is silly as that,
Speaker 2: you know, where you're in this room and you're in
Speaker 2: front of the camera and then some other guy comes
Speaker 2: into their off camera and you and you could just say,
Speaker 2: they're like they it's bothering them that they're there, that
Speaker 2: it's it's it's impacting them. And that would happen to
Speaker 2: some of the guys, you know, when they were comfortable
Speaker 2: with who the crews are used to me being around
Speaker 2: and they know I wasn't judging them or you know,
Speaker 2: and the crew guys just kind of invisible in a sense,
Speaker 2: you know that they were so used to it. But
Speaker 2: then somebody else would come in and you know, like,
Speaker 2: oh god, that's undertaker back there, you know, uh, and
Speaker 2: that it would you could just you know, you could
Speaker 2: just see that kind of they get through it, but
Speaker 2: you knew it would be different. And I felt like
Speaker 2: sometimes like I just wanted to go, like, you know,
Speaker 2: just just come back in it. But isn't that crazy though,
Speaker 2: that you you would see it like visibly happen, you know,
Speaker 2: God forbid, Colt came in the room or something, you know,
Speaker 2: the guys, but you would it would get backed up
Speaker 2: and then we for the most part, uh because you
Speaker 2: would wait outside, you know, because you didn't want But
Speaker 2: when in a lot of situations like in the arenas
Speaker 2: well we didn't have it. We were in this open
Speaker 2: area and they would just put up those you know
Speaker 2: kind of sound boards that you know, keptcause we just
Speaker 2: had to do it. So everybody would be standing there,
Speaker 2: you know, they could sit there and watch, and it
Speaker 2: was just funny how it would impact some guys. The
Speaker 2: other guys didn't that they were so used to doing it,
Speaker 2: but there were a few that it definitely had an
Speaker 2: impact on their performance.
Speaker 1: Well, the Slick when you interviewed him, he so Warlord
Speaker 1: is finding the British bulldog. So Slick is with Warlord
Speaker 1: and I got to give like Slick, my god, he
Speaker 1: used every dog pune like dog it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Good doggy dog world out there like bark is worse
Speaker 3: than your bite, all.
Speaker 1: These neutering you neutering you like, there's little things like
Speaker 1: god damn, Like this guy is so good at his job.
Speaker 3: Like you said earlier, some people are just talking.
Speaker 1: They're not talking as themselves, are talking to the character
Speaker 1: they is in their brain and they know exactly what
Speaker 1: that character would say when they would say it. So
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. But you did bring up Vin smic Mann
Speaker 1: for a minute. What is his demeanor like a Russemanian
Speaker 1: versus a normal day of work. Obviously he's always involved,
Speaker 1: but what is the difference from your perspective of events
Speaker 1: being involved at WrestleMania versus a Wrestling Challenge taping.
Speaker 2: Well, so Wrestling Challenge taping is at eleven WrestleMania about thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's certainly raised raising level, But you know, even though
Speaker 2: you were very aware of that, the Vince was always
Speaker 2: like that, you know, like you never saw him sweat
Speaker 2: as they say, so the intensity, yeah, it was was
Speaker 2: going to be raised, but Vince was always the way.
Speaker 2: It was always Vince. I mean, he was always just
Speaker 2: wired and ready to go. And it's really hard to
Speaker 2: be around a human being like that when uh, he
Speaker 2: just expects you to be up and ready and thinking
Speaker 2: and performing twenty four hours a day. I always that
Speaker 2: that circle that in between Pat and especially you know,
Speaker 2: like Bruce, and there were a few others later, you know,
Speaker 2: with JJ and and I just I felt sorry. I
Speaker 2: was like, God, those poor bastards, because how do you know?
Speaker 2: But how do you say? You know? He if if
Speaker 2: he Vince got up at two in the morning because
Speaker 2: he decided he wanted to work out and then he
Speaker 2: had this you know, epiphany or whatever of what they're
Speaker 2: going to do, what wouldn't be unusual for him to
Speaker 2: tell those guys come up, get get to the house.
Speaker 2: You know. They were there at the place in Greenwich. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hours and hours and I I don't know how they
Speaker 2: survived because that is just you know. And Kevin, Kevin
Speaker 2: Dunne too, m hm. He was that he was the
Speaker 2: Vince whisperer. I mean, there's there's one human being on
Speaker 2: the planet who gets Vince and can be around could
Speaker 2: be around him for hours and hours and hours. It's Kevin.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, that's the special relationship he had
Speaker 2: with him since he was basically a kid. You know,
Speaker 2: when he came into the company with the you know,
Speaker 2: because his dad initially started with the production with them
Speaker 2: and him and Bruce and Patt that was and those
Speaker 2: guys would be there talking, you know, doing booking and
Speaker 2: stuff for just endless, endless hours and so, uh, that's
Speaker 2: just who Vince is. And I don't think you know,
Speaker 2: I certainly I haven't been around him in decades, but
Speaker 2: I knew a lot of people who were and uh,
Speaker 2: and they said he if anything he got, he got work.
Speaker 2: So he got more and more intense and more and
Speaker 2: more involved in He wasn't when I was there. He
Speaker 2: wasn't walking around with a headset talking live to the
Speaker 2: color and the you know, the play by play guys,
Speaker 2: the you know. So that's just the way it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily like, oh crap, it's wrestle Mainie, he's
Speaker 2: going to be a maniac. It's no events, you know,
Speaker 2: but you knew with the biggest show of the year, Yeah,
Speaker 2: everything had to go well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine ms Man is uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say him like him, but I
Speaker 1: have these ideas, like three in the morning, I should
Speaker 1: call Sean Mooney right now.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what time is it with Sew Mooney
Speaker 3: is oh, I can't do that.
Speaker 2: I can't do that, and he just got off work.
Speaker 2: I can't call him.
Speaker 3: He will kill me. He will kill me.
Speaker 1: But let's get to the event because one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things about this is Ultimate Warrior versus the Macho
Speaker 1: King career ending match. Warrior defeats the Macho Man in
Speaker 1: one of the greatest wrestlemanding matches of all time, not
Speaker 1: just Golden Era of all time. Did Macho Man, Because
Speaker 1: there's so many stories about this, did mauchmen actually want
Speaker 1: to step away from the ring? Or is this a
Speaker 1: we want you to go be work in the office, Savage.
Speaker 1: We want to use your mind, not your body. What
Speaker 1: do you think I'm gonna say, No, so many stories
Speaker 1: from other people on other podcasts about this.
Speaker 2: No, you know, even though you know maybe in some
Speaker 2: ways that the idea of getting a break and getting
Speaker 2: paid is good, is a good thing in professional wrestling,
Speaker 2: and at that point, you know, Randy's very well paid.
Speaker 2: And but no, no, not for one second, did Randy
Speaker 2: Savage ever ever want to step out of the ring,
Speaker 2: and especially at that point in his career, And as
Speaker 2: we have discussed before, I don't know what Randy was
Speaker 2: at that time, how old he was. I think he
Speaker 2: was thirty nine somewhere. You know, he was a young
Speaker 2: man still, and here you're considering him some geezer because
Speaker 2: you're right. So it's just amazing. Today we see what
Speaker 2: the guys are doing, and in their fifties, you know
Speaker 2: that they're still doing unbelievable things in the ring. But
Speaker 2: at that time, and of course you know, Vince is
Speaker 2: always thinking what's next, and the youth movement is underfoot here. No,
Speaker 2: So the answer to that is Randy wasn't wasn't keen on,
Speaker 2: you know, stepping away. And I think even at the
Speaker 2: time he was thinking, like, you know, maybe I'll just
Speaker 2: go I'll go down south and I'll do something there.
Speaker 2: But figured, okay, I'll give this a shot. And and
Speaker 2: I think he knew they're gonna need me. They're gonna
Speaker 2: need me. So if they're gonna pay me a lot
Speaker 2: of money just to go to the broadcast table, okay,
Speaker 2: and I'll see how that goes. And I think that
Speaker 2: he also thought, you know, maybe they're gonna I think
Speaker 2: they told him that, you know, you could help with
Speaker 2: the booking. You know that he was going to have
Speaker 2: some influence in that sense, and when that really didn't
Speaker 2: come to fruition and he wasn't keen on moving to
Speaker 2: Stanford or something like that. He's not going to Vincent
Speaker 2: House at two in the morning. So yeah, so overall
Speaker 2: he was not happy with that that situation at all.
Speaker 2: But you know, Randy was right they needed him, uh
Speaker 2: and he would just kind of waited it out, and
Speaker 2: you know, he was the guy that he was the
Speaker 2: go to and there were many times where he would
Speaker 2: he would step in and bring the house down and
Speaker 2: remind them how good he was and what an asset
Speaker 2: he was to the company. But at that time, you know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't happy with it. But like you just said,
Speaker 2: I mean, anytime he was in that ring, he was
Speaker 2: going to give everything he had and he was going
Speaker 2: to make that a memorable match. And there was a
Speaker 2: little extra to it because of the situation. I'm going
Speaker 2: to show them that, Hell, I'm at the top of
Speaker 2: my game.
Speaker 1: He was, because you're right at Summers ninety one, he's
Speaker 1: the main event, but it's his wedding and Warrior is suspended,
Speaker 1: Slash fired and Macha Man is called upon, Hey, we
Speaker 1: need you and that pulls off the most amazing storyline
Speaker 1: ever with Macho Men and James Roberts, which we have
Speaker 1: talked about on Savivs Series ninety one and this Tuesday
Speaker 1: in Texas podcast, So we have done those deep dives
Speaker 1: as well. But the match is memorable. What the ending
Speaker 1: is a tear jerk because as Savage is on the
Speaker 1: ground hurt Sherry, who's the manager at the time, I
Speaker 1: starts attacking him, kicking him while he's down. Miss Elizabeth
Speaker 1: apparently has the worst seats ever. She's all the way
Speaker 1: down in the aisleway. She couldn't get front row. She
Speaker 1: leaped over runs in attacks Sherry. Machman's confused. He doesn't
Speaker 1: know who's been kicking him. He almost punches Liz, you know,
Speaker 1: He's like, OHO's hit me, and he sez it's her
Speaker 1: and then holy shit, my god. I don't know if
Speaker 1: these are plants or not, but there are people hysterically
Speaker 1: crying in the audience. When Savage and Liz hugged for
Speaker 1: the first time since WrestleMania a little before WrestleMania five
Speaker 1: spent about two years now since they've hugged, they embrace,
Speaker 1: he holds the ropes open for her Mooney coming.
Speaker 3: How you're feeling that day.
Speaker 2: Right now, honestly, and I'm not I even I feel
Speaker 2: like that emotional thinking about it because of that relationship
Speaker 2: and I knew them and how you know, it was
Speaker 2: just it was it was one of those things that
Speaker 2: so many people wanted to see happen and then you see,
Speaker 2: you know, that payoff of it, and everybody was felt
Speaker 2: that way. I remember being backstage and and really it
Speaker 2: got to me and so I knew that, you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about a genuine moment. There was so much
Speaker 2: in that uh and to see that happen, and it
Speaker 2: was it was you know, the people that you saw
Speaker 2: it in the crowd, like you just said that, you know, God, finally,
Speaker 2: you know, we always knew it. They couldn't stay apart,
Speaker 2: Yeah they do. They love each other and so we
Speaker 2: all we all wanted to see that and that was
Speaker 2: to me, that was one of the greatest you know reunites. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, this them coming back together again was for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. You know, it was a reality.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like you know, people that had
Speaker 2: known behind the scenes, and I'm talking fans too, that
Speaker 2: you know, and to see them come together. And I'll
Speaker 2: tell you another thing about Liz too. You know, she
Speaker 2: wasn't she doesn't have anybody that really had to work
Speaker 2: and break. You know. She she did some bumps, which
Speaker 2: some were pretty amazing, but she really wasn't called upon to,
Speaker 2: you know, go in and do anything. And so this
Speaker 2: opportunity with Sherry was, you know, her chance to go
Speaker 2: out there and mix it up. And she was excited
Speaker 2: about it. And I remember, you know, Sary, because I
Speaker 2: knew Sherry very well, and you know, she told me
Speaker 2: like when when you come out, you got to lay
Speaker 2: it in, and and she does. You know, Liz did
Speaker 2: a pretty damn good jo because you know, as we've
Speaker 2: mentioned before, we share it. Anybody didn't no matter who
Speaker 2: it was, didn't didn't go you know, lay it in,
Speaker 2: put the way you're supposed to do it, like for reals,
Speaker 2: she would, she would that would be a receipt coming
Speaker 2: your way. And it was not going to be pleasant.
Speaker 2: Is you make her look bad, to make her look weak?
Speaker 2: And so it was awesome to see and I think
Speaker 2: live had a great time because you know she did it.
Speaker 2: She laid it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she almost like grabs Sherry's hair too, as far
Speaker 1: as she could just whips her back. It's again, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment because they let it breathe where we
Speaker 1: have macho is he can't see who's kicking him, so
Speaker 1: when Liz saves him, he has to look at Scherry
Speaker 1: on the outside. Cherry's like, I hate you. I did that,
Speaker 1: and he looks at Liz. Wait, you came to save me.
Speaker 1: You came to save me, and looking at the audience,
Speaker 1: the audience like she did.
Speaker 3: She did come to save you?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 3: And you do?
Speaker 1: We love each other's too, And then they're slowly and
Speaker 1: she's crying a little bit too, and they hug. They
Speaker 1: show this kid in the audience, glasses and wearing like
Speaker 1: a raincoat, yellow raincoat on top, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: a hat, maybe crying hysterically grown women pouring tears.
Speaker 3: Again. Wrestlemaniam moments, do some great matches, and then there's moments.
Speaker 3: This ending is one of the top moments of all time,
Speaker 3: I feel like for WrestleMania, but there's also.
Speaker 2: Yep, no, I'll just saying that. I say it, and
Speaker 2: it's you know, I think about those two and when
Speaker 2: I see stuff like that, it doesn't really does impact
Speaker 2: because I just see how you know, like it's the
Speaker 2: tragic is what happened, and you know, it's like the
Speaker 2: it's like you see when people are at their peak
Speaker 2: and everything is awesome in there. Uh and that was
Speaker 2: that was that, That was that and what they brought
Speaker 2: professional but like on the personal side and like knowing
Speaker 2: how that relationship was and to his dying day, and
Speaker 2: I was glad for Randy that he you know, found
Speaker 2: happiness later in life, uh, you know, before he died.
Speaker 2: But I still to I believe to his dying day
Speaker 2: that that Liz was the true love of his life.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of like, you know, it was
Speaker 2: so genuine the two of those guys to get you know,
Speaker 2: them together that moment that it just really captured. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people remember that and that
Speaker 2: and those tears were real for everybody that in that crowd.
Speaker 1: So anyway, no, I I I'm glad, thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing that, because it's true where a lot of people
Speaker 1: are underneath the impression that you know, do they actually
Speaker 1: love each other is a storyline. But when you can
Speaker 1: see real tears happening in front of you and the
Speaker 1: audience is affected even if they even if it was
Speaker 1: a storyline, it clearly affected thousands of people in the
Speaker 1: arena and yourself with their pro relationships. What they were
Speaker 1: doing for us as an audience seeing their love come
Speaker 1: back into our lives versus seeing them break up two
Speaker 1: years ago because of Kogan's and his lust.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you know, you have to remember Steve
Speaker 2: that you know, the company wasn't real big then in
Speaker 2: any comparison is it like is today? And it really
Speaker 2: it really wasn't in any ways a family very dysfunctional,
Speaker 2: but you got to remember, like these people they lived
Speaker 2: with each other. And I'm not talking specifically Randy and
Speaker 2: it lives, but you know, imagine like you spend more
Speaker 2: time of your life with these people than you do
Speaker 2: with your own blood, your own families. And so the
Speaker 2: guys that had been there for a long time, really
Speaker 2: it was they were Everybody was connected that way. And
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I go to something when
Speaker 2: I've gone to some of these events and I see
Speaker 2: these superstars see each other again and how they interact
Speaker 2: with each other, it reminds me of you know, it's
Speaker 2: like an old, awesome, great friend that you had that
Speaker 2: you spent some of the best moments of your life,
Speaker 2: and you see them and then you pick right back up,
Speaker 2: like these guys pick right back up where they were
Speaker 2: like it was yesterday. Now they see each other more,
Speaker 2: you know, because of all these different shows. But when
Speaker 2: you see that, you you know, you understand that. You know,
Speaker 2: these guys were connected way more. It wasn't just business.
Speaker 2: You know, they spent their lives together in many ways,
Speaker 2: you know, as I said, more time than they were
Speaker 2: with their family. And so you know, Randy and Liz
Speaker 2: were part of that family at the time, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't like like I said, at least with that core
Speaker 2: of people that were there for a long time and
Speaker 2: very successful, that was a family. Mm.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: You're right, because the company was pretty small then versus now.
Speaker 1: Some departments even know each other. At the time, everyone
Speaker 1: kind of was in the same boat though. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of the best Rustlemania matches and storylines and ending of
Speaker 1: all time. Try to argue and I'll fight you, but let's.
Speaker 3: Move on though.
Speaker 1: Blindfold match Jake to Snake Roberts versus Ricka Martel. We
Speaker 1: don't only see one of these matches ever, It's the
Speaker 1: first time in the WWF that is, and then years
Speaker 1: go on, you'd have a few more. Some people hate
Speaker 1: this match, some people love this match. I love the
Speaker 1: storytelling because of how Martell blinded Jake, so now Jake
Speaker 1: wants the blind Martel to even the odds in this matchup.
Speaker 1: That to me makes sense for you. Did you enjoy
Speaker 1: it because the crowd interaction makes it watchable if you didn't, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know blindfold match is in the book of storylines,
Speaker 2: you know, and how it said, but this was a
Speaker 2: different version, and we've you know, Rick the model of
Speaker 2: Martel being this heel and uh and pulling it off
Speaker 2: and how hard he worked to get that gimmick he
Speaker 2: wanted to be a heel and him pulling this off.
Speaker 2: And what better guy working with than Jacob Snake Roberts,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, guy, you couldn't ask anything more,
Speaker 2: so all the way around, and I you know, it
Speaker 2: all worked for me, the whole the perfume thing. And
Speaker 2: we talked about when he was injured and I said,
Speaker 2: I would wish they would have laid it in more
Speaker 2: with the rushing it down, but yeah, but it worked,
Speaker 2: you know, and Jake sold it well, you know, like
Speaker 2: the whole thing memory. We talked about how when you
Speaker 2: were a kid and he saw him, we had the
Speaker 2: contact and with just the white guy like what right?
Speaker 2: Taking you back? So yeah, that was great. Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I always think it's funny with those ones
Speaker 2: where they have that. You know, I think like, how
Speaker 2: did they know the blindfold? Okay, it's got like that
Speaker 2: in netting, so you see, but you've got to be
Speaker 2: able to pull that off so that people believe you
Speaker 2: can't see anything, right, And that's not an easy thing
Speaker 2: to do. Uh, you know, you're not kind of like
Speaker 2: doing this like picking up the things right. Uh. And
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, it all worked.
Speaker 1: It all worked same when you're pointing in the crowd
Speaker 1: saying like hot cold, hot cold cold audience, that's all
Speaker 1: you're doing, and the crowd loves it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was cool. I love that, you know. And
Speaker 2: it was. And you know they do these before they
Speaker 2: get there, they'll go and they'll they'll run a few
Speaker 2: houses just to see the reaction they'll get. And I'm
Speaker 2: I don't think they ever went out there going Okay,
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen is they're gonna the crowd's gonna get
Speaker 2: into it and they're gonna be telling us where to go.
Speaker 2: I think that organically that happened at one of the
Speaker 2: houses and they're like, that's awesome. He's just crowd involvement,
Speaker 2: you know, and so they're kind of and every time
Speaker 2: they did it, that's what happened. So yeah, that was
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it great. Love that crowd interaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're here for. I want to see
Speaker 3: a heavy crowd going crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't really care if you're watching, you know, some
Speaker 1: random match and you're not reacting. But when we started
Speaker 1: off with so many of seven, you had Grill Monsoon
Speaker 1: and Bobby Heenon joins on commentary later on, but Hacksaw
Speaker 1: Jim Duggan comes down dressed as Uncle Sam, mister Gimmick himself.
Speaker 1: I love him so very This dude is everywhere and
Speaker 1: he does commentary for this matchup. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if Hacksaw is the best guy to have on commentary,
Speaker 1: but he is the most funniest person to listen to
Speaker 1: while on commentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't necessarily going to be a permanent job,
Speaker 2: but very it was refreshing to see and he got
Speaker 2: to use all of his stick and all of his puns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was great. You know, I'm a huge fan
Speaker 2: of Jim, so of course, yeah, at any time that
Speaker 2: he got an opportunity to to get out there and
Speaker 2: like you said, load him up. He mister gimmick and
Speaker 2: he was going to find a way to tell it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I felt bad for him traveling with all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: But actually awesome because you know it is superstars and
Speaker 1: stripes forever. So when you have Uncle Sam show up
Speaker 1: to make sure you know we love America here, you know,
Speaker 1: make sure we understand you know, we love we love
Speaker 1: our Uncle Sam here in America. But the tag team
Speaker 1: titles change hands. Here the Nasty Boys pick up the
Speaker 1: win over the Heart Foundation. This is the end of
Speaker 1: Brett Hart being and a tag team. And Brett Hart
Speaker 1: in Summer Slim ninety one wins the Inner Curnental Championship.
Speaker 1: And do you think Anville kind of saw the running
Speaker 1: on the wall or he was oblivious to realizing that
Speaker 1: Brett was going to take out and be this new
Speaker 1: star that the w WF was really going to put
Speaker 1: the rocket on.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Jim was no dummy, and this doesn't just
Speaker 2: happen at wrestle me. So you know, the groundwork had
Speaker 2: already been laid, and Brett had been wanting this opportunity
Speaker 2: for a long time. I think that maybe Jim thought, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm going to be able to have my own
Speaker 2: little single shot here and show them what I can do.
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, no matter who you
Speaker 2: are at a tag team, at some point, you know
Speaker 2: you want to see can I can I carry this
Speaker 2: on my own? Can I be a force? And you
Speaker 2: want that chance to have a light just shining on you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he knew that it was coming
Speaker 2: and absolutely knew that that Brett was going to be
Speaker 2: getting the share of this this chance, but you know,
Speaker 2: you're still with the WWF and you're still a superstar.
Speaker 2: He would mess that up a bit and not shortly
Speaker 2: after that, but I think at the time it was business,
Speaker 2: So I don't think he wanted to hold Brett back.
Speaker 2: I don't think there was like, dude, really going to
Speaker 2: do this, You're going to leave. I don't think that
Speaker 2: that was the case at all, because you know, he
Speaker 2: took the opportunities when you can. And they've been together
Speaker 2: a long time and you know, not prior, you know,
Speaker 2: before this, they had familiar collection connections here, right, So
Speaker 2: this is not something just because when they went to
Speaker 2: the ww F that they're suddenly put together. This was
Speaker 2: all Jim got the opportunity because of Brett, so he
Speaker 2: couldn't really disparage him for that. And so me while
Speaker 2: he probably wasn't rilled that this was happening because it
Speaker 2: was a damn good ride, it's the heart foundation. He
Speaker 2: knew that this was going to happen. So it'll make
Speaker 2: the best of it and hope that you get to
Speaker 2: ride that trail too, that blazing trail that Brett was
Speaker 2: going to launch on.
Speaker 1: Now, earlier in the night, the Rockers defeated the Barbarian
Speaker 1: Hot Coup. Now this would be Marjenny's final WRESTLEMANI appearance.
Speaker 1: And again Jim Deevil Nightheart, this is his final appearance.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting to see because you flash fort a
Speaker 1: year later WrestleMania eight, yet Brett Hart fighting Roddy Piper
Speaker 1: Icy Championship match. Shawn Michaels is a single star kicking
Speaker 1: off the night against Al Mattador, Tito Santana.
Speaker 3: So it's just weird to see the.
Speaker 1: End of the anvil in marginety at WrestleMania, on these
Speaker 1: high profile matches because once their tag teams break up,
Speaker 1: one goes up, one goes down on each side, and
Speaker 1: really that really just came.
Speaker 2: It was painted in a sense. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: by any means planned that. Okay, that's going to be
Speaker 2: their their last shining moment, and then wah wah wah.
Speaker 2: You know, but they all things happened, you know. They
Speaker 2: Jim I think, was suspended shortly after that. Uh that,
Speaker 2: and then Marty had his issues, So those were kind
Speaker 2: of self inflicted wounds. I mean, I don't think that,
Speaker 2: you know, they were going to push them out of
Speaker 2: the company right after that. They had use for both
Speaker 2: of them. Marty was very good, as we've talked about before.
Speaker 2: I thought he was you know, initially I thought he
Speaker 2: was the best half of that tag team, and so
Speaker 2: he could have probably done very well in singles competition
Speaker 2: if they found the right place for him and Jim,
Speaker 2: maybe they would have hooked him up with another tag team,
Speaker 2: you know, because he was he was good, But that
Speaker 2: that was kind of where he shined. But you know,
Speaker 2: you you live it, You live your own life, and
Speaker 2: you you gotta make the mistakes along the road, and
Speaker 2: they paid true.
Speaker 1: Well, my journey gets like a thousand more chances, even
Speaker 1: forms a tag team called the New Rockers with Al
Speaker 1: Snow who was Leaf Cassidy at the time. Jimmy Invil
Speaker 1: gets and it's like opportunity with Owen Hart as the
Speaker 1: New Foundation, returning in ninety four to help Owen Hard
Speaker 1: fight Brett Hart. So it was great to see Inville
Speaker 1: keep coming back here and there, and Marty also keep
Speaker 1: coming back here and there.
Speaker 3: This WrestleMania also has the birth of the Undertaker's streak.
Speaker 3: Untaker defeats super Fly Jimmy Snooka. No one knows what
Speaker 3: the streak is yet. It's just very interesting to see
Speaker 3: that Taker wins against super Fly. Here fly forward to
Speaker 3: Survivorstars ninety one. He's fighting whole coding for the world title.
Speaker 1: At this point, for you personally, are you looking at
Speaker 1: Taker as someone like damn, Like this guy isn't just good,
Speaker 1: he's great?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean and you talk you see about
Speaker 2: his ascension. My god, it was really it was spectacular
Speaker 2: to see and you know, I've talked with other people
Speaker 2: too about that character at the time because I was trying,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to remember, you know, talking to Chris
Speaker 2: Chambers because he was, you know, an integral part of
Speaker 2: all that too, behind the scenes that you know, that
Speaker 2: character was could have been just so you know, like
Speaker 2: almost one off. I mean, if somebody didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do with it, it was kind of a you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a dead guy, like, Okay, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do with it? Right? And and and it was
Speaker 2: like the second he came out with that you know, everything,
Speaker 2: the outfit that he had on, the demeanor, the like
Speaker 2: he just grabbed the presence of you know, the minute
Speaker 2: he came in and he just captivated everybody there. So
Speaker 2: after seeing him after a short period of time, and
Speaker 2: he just kept I always tell people like they're hitting singles, well,
Speaker 2: he was hitting you know, triples and home runs every time,
Speaker 2: you know, he came out. It wasn't just he was
Speaker 2: his solid he was you'd just see him every time
Speaker 2: that his confidence was growing and his presence was going
Speaker 2: and he didn't even have to say anything, and he
Speaker 2: just being aware of the camera and when he would
Speaker 2: make that turn and the things that he could do
Speaker 2: with his eyes and so it is, it's amazing. I
Speaker 2: don't know too many others that you can talk about
Speaker 2: that had that kind of a rise in the company,
Speaker 2: in the profession. Then you know, Mark, he was what
Speaker 2: was the mid twenties at that point, even I don't
Speaker 2: even know if he was mid twenties at that point,
Speaker 2: because I think he came in he was two or
Speaker 2: twenty three. So to see where he went in that
Speaker 2: short period of time and never looked back. So yeah,
Speaker 2: just tremendous, and everybody was aware of it. There wasn't somebody,
Speaker 2: there was nobody discounting like he's aploak. You know, it
Speaker 2: was rock solid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had an incredible year.
Speaker 1: And one of the storylines that I thought was so
Speaker 1: excited to see the end of if this event was
Speaker 1: Virgil defeating million dollar Man Ta Dibiassi by count out.
Speaker 3: They broke up at Roy Rumble ninety one.
Speaker 1: But for the past couple of years, since eighty eight,
Speaker 1: they've been a package deal, Virgil always helping million dollar
Speaker 1: man out. But now they're showing highlights of Virgil doesn't
Speaker 1: like to massage the million dollar man's bunions and he
Speaker 1: doesn't like to do these types of mean things anymore.
Speaker 1: So finally we're getting Virgil. Well, he's getting paid to
Speaker 1: do these things too. I always wondered about that, like,
Speaker 1: well you're getting paid to do these mean things?
Speaker 3: Like are you not an employee of million dollar Man?
Speaker 3: But either way, he finally breaks off. They fight.
Speaker 1: Here Piper is in the corner of Virgil and throw
Speaker 1: out the vignettes. Piper's fine, he's doing great. Shows up
Speaker 1: on crutches here. Apparently had a bad accident in a vehicle,
Speaker 1: so he's hurt. Virgil wins a Sherry ends up coming
Speaker 1: down to help Mindola Man and they get together. So
Speaker 1: now Sherry and Machument are over. Teddy Bear begins with Sherry.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the end of the story,
Speaker 1: likee is I love the Virgil of Mundela Man package,
Speaker 1: But once it's over, Mundela Man and Virgil both slowly
Speaker 1: go down the ranks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that whole gimmick was was perfect
Speaker 2: in a sense that you know, Virgil was perfect for
Speaker 2: that role. You know, the look he had, ah the
Speaker 2: the way that ted treated him, and he would just
Speaker 2: he would he took it even from the beginning you know,
Speaker 2: Virgil was would always acted us, you know, he'd always
Speaker 2: do whatever it was, but there was always kind of
Speaker 2: that Okay, I remember what my place is here, and
Speaker 2: I amn't getting paid and he's paid paid a lot
Speaker 2: of money, and it's yeah, I grip my teeth and
Speaker 2: when I'm gonna do it, and and so even from
Speaker 2: the very beginning, and I'm sure that's what Vince told him,
Speaker 2: You've always got to have slow burn back, like he
Speaker 2: got you're doing it, but you're not. You're not. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, sure, what do you want me to do? Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's always got to be that little resentment of where
Speaker 2: I am, my role in life. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: there's a price, you know, and it's a good price
Speaker 2: for me. So the when we're weighing what I got
Speaker 2: to do to okay, I got the scratch that was
Speaker 2: that whole character in it. And it worked and it
Speaker 2: was all and in many ways, you know, like and Ted,
Speaker 2: his part of it was he was kind of oblivious
Speaker 2: to the fact that this guy might not be thrilled
Speaker 2: at what you're asking him to do. You know, Like
Speaker 2: Ted always kind of had that kind of what he
Speaker 2: was oblivious to like what he's not happy. Look at
Speaker 2: I paid my money, you know, and never kind of
Speaker 2: never that second look like you know, you eyeball on me,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of that number. And so ye know
Speaker 2: that that worked, Like he said years that run was
Speaker 2: was great. But I think that we all knew, right
Speaker 2: at some point he's not going to be able to
Speaker 2: take it anymore. At some point it's gonna break. At
Speaker 2: some point he's gonna snap. And God, I hope he
Speaker 2: gives it to him. I just hope, like all of
Speaker 2: that all built up, that you just treated me like
Speaker 2: filth and dirt and your slave and you know, and
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna do anything you want me to do.
Speaker 2: And he's just gonna he's gonna take care of it.
Speaker 2: And that's what we're all waiting for. So you know
Speaker 2: that that was That was that whole gimmick.
Speaker 3: I loved it and I loved it. I loved their
Speaker 3: entire storyline.
Speaker 1: It's like in my brain, I'm not going to compare him,
Speaker 1: but they're my brain and remind me of Paul Paul
Speaker 1: Bear and Taker.
Speaker 3: We're together for so long.
Speaker 1: When Paul Bear eventually turned on Taker, of this big
Speaker 1: moment and same thing here with Virgil and the Million
Speaker 1: Dollar Man. But the World Championship match, obviously, Holk Cogan
Speaker 1: wins the belt against Sartin Slaughter in the main event.
Speaker 1: Hogan bleeds and after the match, if you're watching, I
Speaker 1: think on coliseum video that Hogan and me and Jean
Speaker 1: are walking backstage to go into Hogan's locker room to
Speaker 1: have some champagne to celebrate. Sarten Slaughter is waiting there
Speaker 1: with a fireball and throws a fireball in Holte Cogan's face.
Speaker 1: So it's WrestleMania. Hogan must pose. Hogan must fireball as well. Though,
Speaker 1: how was the demeanor thinking, all right, we're going back
Speaker 1: to Hogan. Was there a maybe an idea of maybe
Speaker 1: we should try something else? We tried Warrior, we had
Speaker 1: Macho Man, we got going back to Hogan, like maybe
Speaker 1: we should try something different this time.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so where were they going to go?
Speaker 3: I think that's the problem, Like, yeah, that's the problem
Speaker 3: there too.
Speaker 2: Whoever's thinking, you know, we need somebody that we need
Speaker 2: something else here, Well, they're thinking, okay, what.
Speaker 3: You got right?
Speaker 2: And the multi Yeah, and the Holkster was the best
Speaker 2: thing that they had. And uh, and Terry knew it,
Speaker 2: you know, like Terry always you know, you talk about
Speaker 2: like Brandy know you They're gonna need me. How many
Speaker 2: times did Hulklgan think that and be absolutely.
Speaker 3: Right every time? Every time?
Speaker 2: Right? So sure? Would we love to have would people
Speaker 2: have liked to have seen maybe the Ultimate Warrior be
Speaker 2: completely different and get the business and like doing it
Speaker 2: and and uh uh you know, just be the answer
Speaker 2: which could have been possible, but he just didn't. And
Speaker 2: it would the Hulkster answered every time and kept him floating,
Speaker 2: kept it going for better or worse whatever they thought.
Speaker 2: But everybody what there was no other better alternative. So
Speaker 2: those who may have been doubters at the time are thinking, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, here we go again. Well what else
Speaker 2: we got here? And we're struggling and things aren't good,
Speaker 2: and we've got we've got to go with the Homester.
Speaker 3: Oh again, I.
Speaker 1: Understand from a business standpoint why you did this, because
Speaker 1: you just said all the good points. Well, this guy's
Speaker 1: sound the most merched. This guy is the most noticeable
Speaker 1: character we have. Let's put him back on all the
Speaker 1: post is. Let's make sure we keep promoting this guy
Speaker 1: because he's the most recognizable athlete we have in our company.
Speaker 1: So it's a good way to do it, even if
Speaker 1: you don't see the downfall a little bit without having
Speaker 1: to build other people. It still works out for Hogan,
Speaker 1: and they continue the Sardern slaughter of Hogan storyline into
Speaker 1: some Summer Slam ninety one as well, and that does
Speaker 1: not end well for Ultimate Warrior, which we've done a
Speaker 1: whole podcast about. Now we're kind of getting to the
Speaker 1: end of this podcast, but let me point out something
Speaker 1: to you. We did it a wrest many of five
Speaker 1: podcasts about this four team matches on this card, fourteen matches.
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Plow through the other ones, and I want you to
Speaker 1: kind of tell me do you think they should have
Speaker 1: been on the card?
Speaker 3: Did it needed to be on the card?
Speaker 2: So we'll say even before you you listed off, I
Speaker 2: will say that this lineup, to me was better than five.
Speaker 2: Yeah when they had better Yeah. So yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: a lot of matches, but better matchups.
Speaker 3: Agreed. I do agree.
Speaker 1: I think it's because the quality of the talent and
Speaker 1: the quality of the character for arrestmany seven has better
Speaker 1: characters and gimmicks than five. Five are still a little
Speaker 1: in the smoke philed Arenas. We're still like just grizzled
Speaker 1: men wearing red tights.
Speaker 2: Like here, we got a lot more yeah, and a
Speaker 2: lot of eyebrow for some of the really yeah, So
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 3: So we have the second match, Texas Tornado versus Dino Bravo.
Speaker 2: Why for the why but not as far as you know,
Speaker 2: carry's the They're both great trying to carry, they're trying
Speaker 2: to put over and Dino, you know, Dino could get
Speaker 2: it done out there. I like Dino, and uh he
Speaker 2: was you know, it's the whole thing with the count
Speaker 2: of the chest and the you know. So that was
Speaker 2: that to me, that was a that was a good matchup.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's weird about him too is he was the
Speaker 1: world's strongest man. And then I know where they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't have to be the world's strongest man. You know,
Speaker 1: Hogan's pretty strong too. You're the strongest man in Canada,
Speaker 1: all right, you can be the strongest man in Canada, not.
Speaker 3: The world, not the world.
Speaker 2: British stop bullets. She's Louise Man shot and.
Speaker 1: I love a bad shot again. British Bulldog defeated the Warlord.
Speaker 1: These two wrestled five times in ninete tenny one. There
Speaker 1: are five pay per views in ninety one. They fight
Speaker 1: on all of them if you're counting the Royal Roumbull
Speaker 1: thirty Men match. Why again, I love Warlord, I love Bulldog.
Speaker 1: Can't you figure out another combo of matches?
Speaker 2: Well? No, I guess at the time though, And they
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's another like Warlord. You know, Vince
Speaker 2: he was as far as how he was put together,
Speaker 2: it was just kind of the perfect Vince character. But
Speaker 2: he just being like he was, he just couldn't move
Speaker 2: like you know that, it just couldn't be helped. You mean,
Speaker 2: he couldn't do a lot of things just because he
Speaker 2: was so huge. It's just like how much war can
Speaker 2: you blow him up? You know? It was and and
Speaker 2: and restricted his ability to do a lot. So I
Speaker 2: never really enjoyed those matches with him because of that.
Speaker 2: It just it was he was just too much. But
Speaker 2: as far as what you know, Vince was was going
Speaker 2: to sculpt his perfect you know, guy who wants to
Speaker 2: see in the ring, Warlord was all all over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember the story. I missed a perfect
Speaker 1: hey can you help me here? And the Needle bounces on.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're full, you know.
Speaker 2: And and the Bulldogs. I think he's at his peak
Speaker 2: there too. I mean he's yeah, it's great, but I
Speaker 2: just it kind of restricted what you could do in there,
Speaker 2: so it was kind of kind of a lumbering match,
Speaker 2: you know. So, But like I said, better matchups than
Speaker 2: what we saw.
Speaker 3: The five million, a million times better. Like I would
Speaker 3: rather watch seven any day of the week than have
Speaker 3: to watch five.
Speaker 1: And someone might be saying, how dare you and I'm like, well, sorry,
Speaker 1: uh tenru and how defeat Demolition? This is Demolition's final
Speaker 1: match as a team. This is the end of Demolition.
Speaker 1: We did a whole podcast on Demolition an hour and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 3: Check it out.
Speaker 1: But boy, it's so sad to see that this is
Speaker 1: the end where they're losing to international talents that are
Speaker 1: clearly trying to create a business relationship with a w
Speaker 1: w E. But you sacrifice the team that was so
Speaker 1: good and you just allow them to fizzle out like this.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the final match of Demolition?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think that there was an I
Speaker 2: don't remember the timeline of like the Road Warriors or
Speaker 2: Legion of Doom coming in and.
Speaker 3: The summer of nineteen ninety, summer of nineteen nineties when
Speaker 3: LD comes in.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think that there was kind of this
Speaker 2: feeling feeling that they couldn't it wasn't room for both.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, but that didn't make any
Speaker 2: sense to me because I thought they were very distinctly
Speaker 2: different tags and what better way than to keep them
Speaker 2: having you know, crossing paths. So yeah, it didn't make
Speaker 2: make a whole lot of sense to me. There was
Speaker 2: some stuff going on behind the scenes there. And but
Speaker 2: I think that you know, even though they would be
Speaker 2: involved in the company, you know, very especially, I don't
Speaker 2: think they really got open that part of it because
Speaker 2: I think they both realized what a what a good
Speaker 2: duel they were, And so yeah, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: get it. I still don't, because they were they were traumatous,
Speaker 2: you know. I put them absolutely the top five tag teams.
Speaker 3: All time, same we did.
Speaker 1: We did a poll on the primetime with sham Muney
Speaker 1: YouTube channel asking who the top tag teams of all
Speaker 1: times the Golden Era, and we put up some options,
Speaker 1: and Demolition one clear as day because of just their
Speaker 1: dominance throughout the Golden Era of wrestling. Legion to Doom, though,
Speaker 1: defeated Power and Glory in fifty nine seconds. Paul Roman
Speaker 1: and Hercules were both injured at the time, so that's
Speaker 1: why this match goes very quickly, so they could just
Speaker 1: get them on the card and then you know, get
Speaker 1: them off the card. Earthquake defeated Greg the Hammer Valentine
Speaker 1: and three minutes and fourteen seconds.
Speaker 2: That's good. I'm glad it was three minutes and fourteen seconds.
Speaker 2: Would have been would have been interminable if it was
Speaker 2: five minutes and fourteen.
Speaker 3: Seconds, well, if it was three minutes and fifteen seconds,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Jeez, Louise man, I got I love all these characters,
Speaker 1: don't send Hey, I love all these characters. The Mounti
Speaker 1: defeated Tita Santana in one minute and twenty one seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the last match really that we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about so far, Internet Continent old title Mister Perfect versus
Speaker 1: The Big boss Man. During an interview with Mister Perfect,
Speaker 1: Bobby Hainten brings up Rodney Kitten and uh the.
Speaker 3: Whole police beat down.
Speaker 2: Of him video. I remember you're standing there.
Speaker 3: I don't care you're finding a police officer character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could you see how uncomfortable I was. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it showed through, because I'm a pretty good stoneface,
Speaker 2: but I remember it's going like Jesus, Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: you didn't just say that early, because even even dead
Speaker 2: that was like, what that's one of them? Like why
Speaker 2: I understand, you know, the topical and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was only a few days before this too, very,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. It's not like it happened like three
Speaker 1: months ago. This is this happened like three days ago
Speaker 1: before WrestleMania and then here.
Speaker 2: Yeah too still and maybe it was always going to
Speaker 2: be too so, but it was too soon.
Speaker 1: Like you have Rocky, you know, Rocky sympathize the storyline,
Speaker 1: you have Desert Storm, you have Rodney King, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's Bob Cross is pulling out like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of hm. I even starting slat, I said, Willie
Speaker 1: Nelson didn't want to be his friend anymore because he
Speaker 1: sang the opening of this WrestleMania as well, and he's
Speaker 1: so skinny. Willy Nelson, by the way, he's so skinny.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a child's foam wrestling belt around his waist.
Speaker 1: That's how Skinny Willie Nelson was singing at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this WrestleMania. So but all in all, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we did whole podcast and missed a perfect in Big
Speaker 1: boss Man when we took a deep dive into both
Speaker 1: of their careers in this matchup. So Big boss Man
Speaker 1: defeats perfect by d Q, doesn't win the Intercontinental title,
Speaker 1: but at least Big Boss Man's mother is now vindicated
Speaker 1: because the Headen family has been making fun of her
Speaker 1: for about six months now.
Speaker 3: Those assholes, those dirty, dirty assholes. But how dare you?
Speaker 3: How dare you? We have mothers themself.
Speaker 1: Rodney King doesn't storm too much, but I gotta say
Speaker 1: Rustamania seven, when I thought about rewatching it and going back,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh boy, And then after watching it, damn,
Speaker 1: this is good. Like all the matches are good, even
Speaker 1: the ones I mentioned in like saying, oh why is
Speaker 1: this here? Well, it's here because they're all good wrestlers
Speaker 1: and all good characters. So what were your thoughts before
Speaker 1: we wrap this up on Rustlmingia seven.
Speaker 2: I say, overall, I think it was a really good,
Speaker 2: really good show. A lot of controversy, you know, it'll
Speaker 2: be argued forever about you know what, what what went on,
Speaker 2: what was happening in the world at the time. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: it was memorable for lots and lots of reasons. And
Speaker 2: I thought, considering, man, what to get there two for
Speaker 2: that event and you know, moving the venue and everything
Speaker 2: else like that. It was a hell of a hell
Speaker 2: of a wrestle media and it's up there. I think
Speaker 2: it's it was one one of the best at the time.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, so overall and a lot of matches,
Speaker 2: But I didn't have a real big problem with that
Speaker 2: because it felt like you just said, the guys that
Speaker 2: stepped into the ring that day, we're definitely had earned
Speaker 2: their right to be there. And so yes, overall, thumbs
Speaker 2: up good.
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Speaker 1: Was it supposed to be Savage versus Warrior for the
Speaker 1: title instead having Hogan fight Chic Tugboat?
Speaker 2: Well? Interesting there, Well, there were certainly discussions about that,
Speaker 2: and you know, would that have been horrible considering it's
Speaker 2: going to be tugboat versus h Chic tugboat on that one? Okay,
Speaker 2: but but it didn't happen. Yeah, there was absolutely there
Speaker 2: was a discussion about that, so sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I imagine Savage Warrior from the title instead of
Speaker 1: wh that'd be interesting in stead of careers Championship on
Speaker 1: the line. I love that question from Readster twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Is it true the slow ticket sales for the reason
Speaker 1: the venue is moved? Now we kind of discussed that earlier,
Speaker 1: but in your personal opinion, like your re ill opinion,
Speaker 1: was it ticket sales or was it safety?
Speaker 2: I think it was more ticket sales. Yeah, if they
Speaker 2: would have let's say that that first week they sold
Speaker 2: fifty thousand tickets, they would have figured out a way
Speaker 2: to secure that place. If you're going to sell one hundred,
Speaker 2: you know we're going to sell this place out, You're
Speaker 2: going to figure out a way to do it. But
Speaker 2: as I did mention security was a big concern, it
Speaker 2: was they didn't. All it would take is one crazy
Speaker 2: to make a disastrous so that was a big concern.
Speaker 2: But I think the overall factor in this is the
Speaker 2: panic of after two weeks, you got you know, ten
Speaker 2: thousand seats sold, legit, you got problems, So there you go.
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