WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.960 All right, what is going on? It is drive time 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:05.679 for Wednesday. It's about eight minutes past the hour, two 3 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:10.039 o'clock typical February day. Outside, it's about forty two degrees 4 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:12.720 in cloudy here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. Looks 5 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:15.759 like we're gonna get some warm and sunny conditions coming 6 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:18.760 up this weekend. But as it is every single day, 7 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:20.559 it's going to have you along for the ride. Spence check, 8 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:22.920 it's behind the mic. That's Porter Larson behind the glass, 9 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.960 jam packed four hour radio show for you guys today 10 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.000 on this Wednesday afternoon, as we get you halfway through 11 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:31.600 that work week and one day closer to the weekend, 12 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:33.359 and we got a lot to do on the show. 13 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:37.759 The second half quote unquote of the NBA season begins tonight. 14 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:41.679 The Jazz are at action tomorrow taking on Okay, see 15 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:43.560 the Jazz are in the middle of a nine game 16 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.159 home stand and they've got seven games left at home, 17 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.280 so your chance to see the Jazz before they hit 18 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:49.719 the road. 19 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.840 Tonight, it's gonna be the Lakers and the Hornets. They'll 20 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:53.119 get the. 21 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.920 Second half of the NBA season going. So we'll do 22 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:59.079 some pro basketball on the show today, some jazz basketball 23 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.880 on the show today, get your for the final portion 24 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:06.400 of the NBA season. We'll also do some college basketball. 25 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:12.799 BYU just dog walked Kansas last night. They undressed them 26 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:17.560 on national television. It was embarrassing for Kansas and for 27 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:21.359 Bill self. A thirty four point win that honestly could 28 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:24.519 have been worse because Kansas and we're gonna talk about this, 29 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.439 this is gonna sound like a slight to both Utah 30 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.840 and BYU. I've watched Kansas a bunch this year and 31 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.439 watched every minute of both the BYU and Utah game 32 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.319 games and the wins that both those teams had over Kansas. 33 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.400 I am wildly unimpressed with the Jayhawks this year. Like 34 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:45.719 that defense last night BYU. Those were practice jumpers, step in, 35 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:47.599 walk in, wide open corner three. 36 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.040 So we'll get to it on the show. 37 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.719 We'll do some college basketball on the show today and 38 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:55.920 BYU as a result of a dominant win last night 39 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.840 in Provo in front of a great crowd at the 40 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.359 Marriott Center. A lot of love today. Up to number 41 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:03.400 thirty one in the NET. Up to number thirty one 42 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.719 in the Ken Palm rankings. Our good buddy Ken Palmroyestas 43 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.919 by the show from time to time and BYU. Now 44 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.159 with five games left at Arizona at Arizona State, home 45 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.960 against West Virginia, on the road at Iowa Stay, then 46 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.879 home against Utah, there's a chance that Brigham Young is 47 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.680 a team that could win eleven or twelve conference games 48 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.680 in this Big twelve landscape, which is really hard to do. 49 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.639 They have the inside track now to be the number 50 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.879 five seed in the Big Twelve tournament, and you got 51 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:35.240 to give a lot of credit, man, when that team 52 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.800 knocks out shots today are really really tough. University of 53 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.560 Utah after beating both Kansas and k State, five games 54 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.439 left for the Utes at UCF, at Arizona, home against 55 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:49.039 Arizona State in West Virginia, then on the road against BYU. 56 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:52.759 Utah has seven conference wins. Can they go three and 57 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.240 two down the stretch. It's a tough ass. They'll probably 58 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:56.840 have to get it well. They definitely will have to 59 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:00.240 at least get one road win. Probably at UCF is 60 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.840 going to be your best chance. But UCF is a solid, 61 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.319 not great team this year. They're around five hundred. Then 62 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:08.439 at Arizona's going to be a tough task for anybody. 63 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.400 Home against ASU in West Virginia and then on the 64 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.599 road against BYU, and of course BYU is gonna have 65 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:15.280 a lot of revenge on the mind. And they're a 66 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.800 different team now than they were back when they rolled 67 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.439 up here to Salt Lake City and took an l 68 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.560 with them down to Provo. So five games left for 69 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:24.919 the Utes, a three to two finish would allow them 70 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.479 to win ten games in conference and that is a really, 71 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:31.280 really good sign for the direction of Utah men's basketball. 72 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.199 So we'll get to some college hoops on the show today, 73 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.319 of course, in addition to the landscape of the NBA, 74 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.960 the latest with the NFL offseason franchise tag Day was 75 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.919 yesterday and now a lot of NFL decisions to be made. 76 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.560 The NFL salary cap is going to increase at least 77 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.719 twenty two million dollars in twenty twenty five, So the 78 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:52.479 latest on the world of pro football. It's kind of 79 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.879 a quiet time in college football outside of the meeting's 80 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.039 going on right now in New Orleans with the power 81 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.560 brokers from the Big Big Ten. Wish it was the 82 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.000 Big twelve, but the Big Ten of the SEC. The 83 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.159 latest was some of those meetings. The latest on the 84 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:10.759 potential change to the CFP format. A lot of things 85 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.520 were rolled back this week by the Trump administration Department 86 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:17.240 of Education, causing a lot of chaos and ultimately a 87 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.079 lot of people not knowing what the future of the 88 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.839 business of the college athletics. 89 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:22.399 Landscape is going to be. 90 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:24.800 And a lot of those things are being discussed in 91 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.680 New Orleans this week. But it's just two conferences and 92 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:32.399 they're basically telling people what's what, and that's just kind 93 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.240 of how it is. So we'll keep you up to 94 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.920 date now on these meetings that that are going on 95 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:39.639 in New Orleans, because I know you all love some 96 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.680 college football. If anything comes out while we are on air, 97 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.199 we will bring it to you. Rayl saw Lake is 98 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:51.279 starting their season kind of at four thirty Mountain time, RSL. Eradiano. 99 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.160 I think that's how you say it. Don't tweet at me. 100 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.480 Soccer fans are the worst, man. They get mad when 101 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.319 you don't talk about it. Then when you talk about it, 102 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.920 you're not good enough at okay, whatever, But that's gonna 103 00:04:59.920 --> 00:05:00.879 be four thirty start. 104 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.439 RSL is an action and then they're gonna be an 105 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:04.160 action coming up. 106 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.600 MLS play. They'll open it up against San Jose San 107 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.680 Jose's new striker is named Chicho Rongo, and that's gonna 108 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.639 cover yourway this weekend. So soccer season is also here 109 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.240 a lot to do. Wednesday show, We'll start with Zach Harper, 110 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.839 NBA Daily Assist. We'll look back a little bit on 111 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.120 All Star weekend. I'm already over the topic of how 112 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.759 to fix it because you can't. But mostly we'll look 113 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.480 out of the second half of the NBA season, do 114 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.720 a little jazz basketball as well with Zach Harper. Today 115 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.879 Chris Camrodnie typically stops beyond Fridays. He'll roll in studio 116 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.639 today at three o'clock. Neil Smith, former general manager of 117 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.399 the New York Rangers New York Islanders, one of the 118 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.000 leads scouts for the Detroit Red Wings for a long 119 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.079 long time. Neil's gonna stop by today because tomorrow is 120 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.639 the final of the four Nations face off and if 121 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:56.800 I remember correctly, Neil was not all that pumped about 122 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.319 the potential of what this could be and our guys 123 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.480 gonna have to lead eat a little crow today. I mean, 124 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:03.920 if you've been watching the news cycle, if you're consuming 125 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.000 I don't know, daily shows like the ESPN or the 126 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:08.959 Fox shows or you're watching Sports Center. 127 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.600 It is leading shows and leading coverage. 128 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.759 As a lot of people, over five million people watched 129 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.279 the semi final between Canada and the US up in Montreal. 130 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:23.240 Now Montreal with one hundred plus years of hockey history. Well, 131 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.560 the city of Boston step up the way Montreal did. 132 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.439 We'll see Boston's a great hockey city. And we've got 133 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.680 Matthew Kachuck and Brandon Hegel going head to head as 134 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:35.360 far as a lot of trash talking, going back and 135 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.519 forth with their words after they went back and forth 136 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.759 with their fists during the semi finals. The first fight 137 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.120 of the three in the nine minutes was Matthew Kachuk 138 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.160 and Brandon Hegel, who are rivals in the NHL. Both 139 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.480 play in Florida, but Matthew is with Florida and then 140 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.399 Brandon is with Tampa Bay. So we'll see this is 141 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.319 gonna be fun. Already excited about it even though it 142 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.120 is tomorrow. So we'll bringing Neil Smith, and then after Neil, 143 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:00.920 we bring in the voice that's right, the voice of 144 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.759 the Utes, Bill Riley, who called that game over the 145 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.399 weekend as Utah beat Kansas, and Bill is a Kansas 146 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.240 alump so we'll do some college basketball and some college 147 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.279 football with Ryle's coming up on a Wednesday. We've got 148 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.560 Zach Harper, We've got Chris Comroddi, Neil Smith, Bill Riley, 149 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:18.720 Me Spence Jackets, all of you the great listeners on 150 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.839 this Wednesday afternoon. And that young fella his name Porter 151 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:25.560 Larson on a Wednesday. Did you catch much of that 152 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:30.199 massacre BYU just they wiped the floor with the Jayhawks 153 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:31.160 and Provo last night. 154 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.079 They did, And I did see some of that game, 155 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.800 and you mentioned it right. 156 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:36.519 There were. 157 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.680 A lot of really really uncontested shots. And that's not 158 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.560 a discredit to BYU. When you're shooting the way BYU 159 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.800 was last night, and you're you're grooving the way that 160 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.720 they were, you're gonna you're gonna win most times than not. 161 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.480 That's the difference between basketball and some other sports is 162 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.279 that if you're hot, or a particular couple of players 163 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.959 are hot, there's just no beating that particular team on 164 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.319 that night. But Kansas didn't help themselves and they lost 165 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:10.560 to both of the local teams, the Utes and BYU 166 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:14.360 over over the weekend, and now the Big twelve standings 167 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.639 are they're getting ptty interesting as the home stretch gets here. 168 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.480 Yes they are, and we'll see what the final four 169 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:23.120 or five games left in conference means for both Utah 170 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.959 and BYU. Stoc Harper is our first guest out of 171 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:28.279 the gates on this Wednesday afternoon. But before we get 172 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.480 the Zach, courtesy of our good friends at Prize Picks, 173 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.279 it is time now for your opening tip on a 174 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.480 Wednesday afternoon. Now, Prize Picks is the best place to 175 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.759 get real money sports action. 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For the first 201 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:44.519 twenty years, Bill Self never lost more than six conference games. 202 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.440 Last year they lost eight. This year they've already lost seven. 203 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.679 They're going to drop out of the top twenty five. 204 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:53.799 They found themselves in a buzz saw last night down 205 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.320 to the Marriot Center in front of a crowd that 206 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:59.000 looked awesome on television. The Rock student section certainly has 207 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.279 evolved over the past seven eight years. That's a tough 208 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.159 place to play, it always has been, but it feels 209 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.080 a little bit more intense and different. Now, shout out 210 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.600 to the game ops department down in Provo. They're doing 211 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.960 a great job. And BYU came out early, they threw 212 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.159 the first few haymakers and they never stopped. It was 213 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.840 eight to zero after ninety seconds. Bill self took a 214 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:22.440 time out and Kansas never even threatened. You know, in 215 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:25.600 the two games Kansas played here in the state, up 216 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.279 here in Salt Lake City over the weekend against the 217 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.759 Utes and then down in Provo last night against BYU, 218 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.080 they did not lead either game for one second. 219 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.720 That is wild. This was the. 220 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:42.320 Preseason AP number one basketball team for the second year 221 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:43.039 in a row. 222 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.559 Now, last year was a little easier to explain. 223 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.120 They lost their best player, got hurt than everything fell 224 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.279 apart from there, but everybody applauded their transfer class, their 225 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.240 returning class. Hunter Dickinson came back and a lot of 226 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:57.240 people think he's going well, I don't know anymore. A 227 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.759 lot of people predicted he would be the big twelve 228 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.799 of the year, and last night certainly wasn't on Hunter Dickinson. 229 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.879 But I'm going to say this, and it's not a 230 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.960 slight on either by U or Utah. I'm not taking 231 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.279 anything away from a great win for the Utes at 232 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.960 the Huntsman Center in front of a fun crowd, and 233 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.879 any win right now for the Utes as they're heading 234 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:23.000 down the stretch in conference play prior to the conference tournament, 235 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:25.440 any win is a good win, and certainly a win 236 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.799 at the time over the number seventeen team in a 237 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.720 country and the bluest of blue bloods in the Big Twelve, Kansas, 238 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.200 followed by the winover k State, the Utes deserve a 239 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.120 lot of credit or wins against two really good teams 240 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.120 on the road to UCF coming up, and then it's 241 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:42.320 at Arizona home against ASU in West Virginia and then 242 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.639 down in Provo to finish it off against BYU on 243 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.840 March the eighth. And if Utah can grab three wins 244 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.159 in their final five games, that is a ten win 245 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.639 Big twelve team and that is a great accomplishment. It 246 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.679 really should give Craig some potential attention for maybe you know, 247 00:11:57.759 --> 00:11:59.919 in the mix for coach of the Year after Utah 248 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:01.879 was picked to finish last in the conference. 249 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.600 If they can win ten games in conference play. 250 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.840 That would be a great accomplishment and it would also 251 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.519 put them at eighteen wins on the season. 252 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:11.240 So you know good solid year. 253 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.480 I don't know that the NCAA tournament is in Utah's 254 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.679 future this year unless they do something wild and crazy 255 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:21.519 at the Big twelve Tournament. But on the BYU side 256 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:24.480 of things, you know this. Ultimately, last night was a 257 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.279 game that caught the attention of the country for a 258 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.360 few different reasons. NBA All Star Break, it finishes up 259 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.080 or finished last night. The NBA's back tonight, But last 260 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.679 night there was no basketball on. Last night, there was 261 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.600 no NBA basketball on. And maybe you're into watching pro 262 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:42.600 golfers hit a ball on a simulator. I can't do it. 263 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.080 As much as I love golf, it's not interesting to me. 264 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.679 And after the game, Scott Van Pell SVP on his 265 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.080 Sports Center, which is the only watchable sports center anymore. 266 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.679 Sorry Stan Verrett or whoever else is on the desk 267 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.600 these days. But BYU Kansas ends. Van Pelt leads his 268 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.200 show with his best Thing I Saw, which he always does, 269 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.080 and then he brings in Kevin Young live at the 270 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.720 Marriott Center down in Provo to lead his show. 271 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:10.679 As the first interview. 272 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.879 Van Pelt gets a ton of eyes man like He's 273 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.720 the one show on that network that I find digestible 274 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.399 and a lot of people still love to watch. And 275 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:22.639 you know, last year BYU actually beat Kansas at fig 276 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.200 Allen and after the game it was kind of similar, 277 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.240 Mark Pope goes on SVP, because if you're going to 278 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.679 do something in Big twelve play, notably do it against Kansas. 279 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.080 That's how you're gonna get everybody's attention. Like I said, 280 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.600 the winningness program in the history of college basketball, the 281 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:42.120 bluest of blue bloods in this conference. And if BYU 282 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.840 won by one point in triple overtime last night, it 283 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.480 would have caught a lot of people's attention. The fact 284 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.919 that they nearly had Kansas down by forty and one 285 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.600 by thirty four, and honestly, it wasn't that close has 286 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.240 the college basketball world talking today in a way that 287 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.759 doesn't usually happened with games out here. And as much 288 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:05.360 as it is to do with BYU and their quality 289 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:06.519 of play, a lot of it has to do with 290 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.200 the fact that everybody's going, what the hell happened to Kansas? 291 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:15.799 Because BYU last night essentially knock down practice shots all 292 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.120 game long. I was stunned at how much space BYU's 293 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.039 players had to shoot the basketball. Now Richie made some 294 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:24.840 tough shots. I think Richie might be their best player. 295 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.039 Richie Sonders might be BYU's best player. But Trevin Nell 296 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.080 does one thing, and if your bill's self, you tell 297 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.000 your players, like hey, twenty one. On the other side, 298 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.039 all you have to do is make him dribble it 299 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.759 twice and he will pee down his leg. Just do 300 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.000 not let him catch and shoot it in space, and 301 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.440 we're fine. Guess what they did. They treated Trevin Nell 302 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:50.120 like he was Trey Orri from the outside. He had 303 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.799 acres of space just to catch and shoot rhythm set 304 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:55.559 shot threes. 305 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.759 And that's what he is a lead at. That's why 306 00:14:57.759 --> 00:14:59.960 he is a thousand point score. Bring me up. 307 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:01.799 That's why he is in the top five of three 308 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:02.840 point shots made. 309 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.440 But watch BYU. 310 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.519 Watch Trevin when they ask him to dribble it, he 311 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.360 panics and passes it to either down Hall or Jager Demon. 312 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.879 He has no desire to be a playmaker because it's 313 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.679 not in his skill set. At the collegiate level, he 314 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:20.799 is one thing and one thing only, and he's elite 315 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.159 at that, and that is a knockdown, spot up shooter. 316 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:27.159 Your job as a defender, playing defense against BYU is 317 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:29.440 to know your personnel and know you can't leave that 318 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.159 dude wide open all night. Like I said, Richie made 319 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.399 some tough shots, but most of his threes were wide open. 320 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.039 Awat mag good by the way there, I think eight 321 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.840 and one, since Kevin decided to start him something like. 322 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:42.159 That he was three or four. 323 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:47.279 Everybody came off the bench knockdown shots. It was a dominant, 324 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:51.960 overwhelming performance from BYU down in Provo and excuse me, 325 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.320 Kansas leaves the state of Utah suffering two wells and 326 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:01.600 never leading for one second against either Utah or BYU. 327 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.080 It was the largest loss in the history of college 328 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:09.559 basketball by a former AP preseason number one team. No 329 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.639 preseason number one team in AP history has lost a 330 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.120 game by more than thirty three points, and BYU got 331 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.200 Kansas by thirty four. Bill Self has been coaching at 332 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.080 Kansas for twenty two years. This tied for the largest 333 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.639 loss in the history of the Bill Self tenure at Kansas, 334 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.480 and I could keep going. I mean, it's the third 335 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:32.759 largest loss in the history of that program that's been 336 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:33.519 around since like. 337 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.360 Eighteen ninety eight or whatever. 338 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.519 And it is wild to see the team that everybody 339 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.679 picked to win the Big twelve and the ap had 340 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.480 is the number one team preseason, go down to Provo 341 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:50.600 and get dog walked. It was humiliating for them, and 342 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.399 if you're a BYU fan, certainly a good night because, 343 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:55.840 like I said, after the game, Van Pelt opens up 344 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.919 his sports center, does the opener and boom Kevin Young 345 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:02.480 on Scott Van Peat Show, and BYU is now playing 346 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:06.559 themselves into a situation where they are very very safe 347 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.039 when it comes to the NCAA tournament Bubble. 348 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.759 Watch, and they look to be a lock at this point. 349 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.079 Now they've got some work to do because at this 350 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.920 point they are thirty one in the net and on 351 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.440 selection Sunday, if you don't win your conference, you really 352 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.079 want to be in the twenties in the net, then 353 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:24.799 you'll feel safe. I don't think there's any way BYU 354 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.599 misses the NCAA Tournament at this point, and it looks 355 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:30.319 like they have the clearest path to the number five 356 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:31.839 seed for the conference tournament. 357 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:33.920 Houston is the class of this league. 358 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.839 There's no doubt, Arizona probably the second best team, Iowa 359 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.599 States kind of come back around after a rough stretch, 360 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:42.440 and Texas Tech is probably the surprise that nobody saw coming. 361 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:43.799 But then it's BYU. 362 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.319 They're ahead of Kansas, they're a head of Baylor, and 363 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.480 they have the tiebreaker against both those two teams. 364 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.680 So we'll see what happens down the stretch. 365 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.400 If Utah can get three of their final five games, 366 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.599 they will win ten games in conference, which is a 367 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.400 great accomplishment. And if BYU can get three of their 368 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.960 final five, they'll win twelve conference games year two. 369 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.839 Finally, b YU two. 370 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.599 And zero against Kansas in the Big Twelve in basketball, 371 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.880 zho and two against Kansas in the Big Twelve in football, 372 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.440 which is just weird. You know, I've got a new 373 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.599 goal in twenty twenty five, and that's just to say 374 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:23.400 yes to more things and just find joy in things 375 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.799 that bring joy to others. So I don't care anymore 376 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:27.640 that you guys like Pitbull and I don't. I'm just 377 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.519 going to embrace the bit and welcome in Zach Harper 378 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:31.559 on a Wednesday afternoon. 379 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.559 I'm over a man. You win, I give up. 380 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.640 Here's the thing is with that song, you have no 381 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.319 choice but to give up because that is a banker. 382 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.119 That's an all time banker, right. 383 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.200 Okay, Like I said, if it brings you joy, It 384 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.640 brings me joy, Zach. That's my new goal for twenty 385 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:48.960 twenty five. Where do we find you today? It sounds 386 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:50.799 like you might be on a sailboat somewhere. 387 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.960 Oh god, I'm in Los Angeles trying to find a 388 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.920 parking spot anywhere in the city, and it's yeah, it's 389 00:18:57.960 --> 00:18:59.480 what everyone wants to hear, LA traffic. 390 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.319 But yeah, look, I never knew how real it was 391 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.160 until I spent a year working there, and I'm like, 392 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:06.880 screw this. I'm like, it's it's enough to make me 393 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.240 not ever want to live there. And then you land 394 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.200 and it's seventy five degrees and like, maybe I'll deal 395 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:11.519 with it. 396 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.240 Yeah, it's like it's it's kind of overcast a little bit. 397 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.319 It's seventy six. You know, we're in the middle of February, 398 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:20.599 late February. I guess I don't know what the cutoff 399 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.039 is there, and so there are worse places to be. 400 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.519 But if you like I made the mistake of going 401 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:26.640 out at one thirty, that's on me. 402 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:27.599 All right. 403 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.920 Philosophical question for you, Zach, right off the top, Are 404 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:35.960 you ready? Yeah, So at some point the asteroid's going 405 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:38.880 to hit and we're cooked, Okay, it's it's it's it's 406 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.319 just going to happen, and you have talked about it before, 407 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:46.640 and ultimately what we've learned now, according to scientists that 408 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.519 are smarter than you were, you and I, the asteroid 409 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:53.039 y are four has risen to a record level to 410 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:54.720 hit the earth in twenty thirty two. 411 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.640 Here is my question to you. Do you want to 412 00:19:58.680 --> 00:19:59.519 know when it's coming? 413 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.079 If you I had the opportunity, if whoever's in charge, 414 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.039 whoever is really behind the Wizard of Oz controls, whoever's 415 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.759 in charge of this whole thing, hit you up. Was like, Zach, 416 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:10.440 I can tell you the day this is happening if 417 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.720 you'd like to know and nobody else will know, or 418 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.960 you just blissfully live your life until you don't anymore. 419 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.319 Which avenue would you take? 420 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.039 That's a great question, because like, at this point, do 421 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.519 I have knowledge that this might happen in twenty thirty two? 422 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:24.480 You do not. 423 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:26.720 It's gonna happen in all right, it's just gonna it's 424 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:28.519 gonna happen in your lifetime, but you. 425 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:29.000 Don't know when. 426 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:29.480 Correct? 427 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.440 Yes, man, I think I kind of gotta know. 428 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:35.640 I'd like to think I'm a bigger person, Like, no, 429 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.720 just live my life and every day is the best. 430 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.599 There, I think, I gotta know, see, I this is 431 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:43.839 you know for listeners, it's a peek beyond a curtain. 432 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:44.680 I'm a Weirdoh. 433 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.039 I sat up and thought about this for like thirty 434 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.960 minutes last night when I read the article, I'm like, 435 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.400 would I want to know? Or would I just rather 436 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:56.119 live my life until I wouldn't know? And the thought Zach, 437 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.799 of what you could accomplish like the last day revenge 438 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.319 wise on people who have wronged you over the years, 439 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:05.799 is enough to be like, I gotta know, man, because 440 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:07.319 the last day before the world ends. 441 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.319 Can you imagine how many boxes you could check on 442 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:09.759 your list? 443 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.240 I would be an absolute menace. 444 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:15.119 Oh yes, like like I wouldn't use this. 445 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.400 For like, oh, I'm gonna like you know, I'm gonna 446 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.079 make all the wrongs right and everything. No, this would 447 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.119 be like revenge week leading up and be like, wow, 448 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.519 you're really like kind of crashing out here, which I 449 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.519 think is a you know, turn. Kids are still saying 450 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:29.000 like you're kind of crashing out here, And I said, 451 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:30.000 just you wait, I. 452 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:31.039 Know what I'm doing. Yep. 453 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:34.240 Now I'm one hundred percent with you that I was debating, 454 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.359 and then when I realized what I could do the 455 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.519 final day before the world ended, I'm like, I'm I'm 456 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:39.039 on board. 457 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:39.720 I want to know. 458 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:42.759 Yeah, all right, real quick, let me let me add 459 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:45.160 to that. You know what, like what I would feel 460 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:46.960 like I would feel like Magic Johnson when he had 461 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:50.680 quit and only the media knew, like the Lakers didn't know, 462 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:53.559 Like what an incredible feeling where when he has this 463 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:55.480 whole thing of like they're talking about, you know, free 464 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:57.119 agents in the summer, and I'm just thinking, I'm not 465 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.039 gonna be here, Like people will be like, oh, yeah, 466 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:01.880 we're going to like Santrape next summer and everything, and 467 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:03.000 I would just think, like, you're not. 468 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:04.680 Yep, I'd promise. 469 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:08.279 You're not keep up with those plans. Hopefully it makes 470 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:08.759 you happy. 471 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:10.920 I thought you'd be a good one ask that question, 472 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.680 and maybe we'll get back to it at some point. 473 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.519 But here's here's where I'll a pivot. 474 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:14.759 Now. 475 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:17.240 How much of the All Star Weekend did you consume? 476 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.519 I mean, I don't know if you went, I don't 477 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:20.920 know if you were watching. How much of it did 478 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:21.440 you consume? 479 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:23.240 I didn't. I didn't. 480 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.480 I didn't watch the Celebrity game because I don't hate myself. 481 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:33.039 And then I I watched the second half of the 482 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.920 Rising Stars games because I kind of forgot they were on, 483 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:37.519 So like I caught like the second half of the 484 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:40.000 second game, and then the entirety of the of the 485 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.559 Championship game or whatever I guess it's called. Watched all 486 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:47.839 of Saturday night, watched all of all of Sunday. You know, 487 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.640 it was fine, which I guess is an upgrade over 488 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:53.519 last year, but like it was just it was fine. 489 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.119 Yeah, yeah, I guess it was fine if you enjoy 490 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.400 the weekend. And so ultimately, because you and I are 491 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.319 members of the media or cover the NBA, we are 492 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.559 obligated to do the topic how do we fix this 493 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.200 thing right? And when when anybody asks me what's your 494 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.880 preferred format? I say, well, it's the all star game 495 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.200 comprised of players who care about playing. 496 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:15.799 That's my preferred format. 497 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:17.759 What we saw for like thirty or forty years that, 498 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:20.119 for the most part, was very awesome. Now, I'm not 499 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:24.000 a revisionist historian. Not every game was great up and 500 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.319 down the entire time when I was growing up watching 501 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.000 in the nineties, but more often than not, it was 502 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.559 the greatest pickup game in the world because the greatest 503 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:33.640 players in the world showed up and more often than 504 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.039 not tried to play. So my preferred format is the 505 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.480 all star game, comprised of two teams with the best 506 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:43.480 players in the world they care about playing. But I think, Zach, 507 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:46.599 I'm resigned to the fact now there's no format that 508 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:48.079 will motivate these guys to care. 509 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.359 So I don't really know what you do. 510 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:53.160 Yeah, I mean, it's just there's you know, they make 511 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.640 so much money. And I'm not using that as a complaint. 512 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.720 I'm just like, that's a that's just a fact of life, right, 513 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.319 get to a certain point and these things, regardless of 514 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.559 like your job or whatever like things, there's certain things 515 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.440 that just become less and less meaningful. And I've heard 516 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.559 some players, you know, try to explain the reason the 517 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.759 competitiveness isn't there, and you know, it's some valid reasons, 518 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.039 like oh, you're supposed to be about making sure you're 519 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:18.880 okay for the second half the season, and so if 520 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.000 I get injured there, you know, blah blah blah, Like yeah, 521 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.640 like I get all that, and you know, there we 522 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.960 had something Joe Varden published something for us today. I 523 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.720 think it was today, either today or yesterday able to 524 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.079 player poll from people who participate in All Star Weekend. 525 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:34.720 I think Darius Garland. I don't know if it was 526 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.799 tongue in cheek, but like his suggestion for making players 527 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.960 care was like a million dollars per player, Like if 528 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:43.839 I guess, I guess if you win or maybe if 529 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:46.400 you play. I don't know what it was, but like 530 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.319 it just said a million dollars per player, would would 531 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.359 get I'm like, I don't know, man, like you kind 532 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.759 of already make a lot of money, and that seems 533 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:54.279 like a gross way of doing it. But if that's 534 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.279 what it takes and it's worth it and the league 535 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.599 has it, sure, I guess. Like I ultimately it's on 536 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.279 the players. You know, Draymond complaining and whining the other night. 537 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:05.400 And I'm not anti Draymond, but I'm anti Draymond when 538 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.119 when he tries to like pretend he's inventing an idea 539 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.640 and it's just stuff that's been thrown around, Like I 540 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:16.319 get it, Like Rising Stars on Sunday is not hallowed 541 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.599 sacred ground. Well, you guys shouldn't have messed around for 542 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.799 the last eight years with All Star Games and then 543 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.920 maybe you wouldn't be in this position. And ultimately, like, 544 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.880 I think it's gonna be on the players. I think 545 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.319 maybe someone like like Wemby seemed to take it pretty 546 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.920 seriously and not one guy can change it. But I've 547 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.480 heard stories in the past from guys like Dwyane Wade 548 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.440 who are like, yeah, Kobe set the tone for a 549 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.400 lot of those All Star Games, and I think that 550 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:40.160 like it. 551 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:40.960 It matters. 552 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.960 It matters when the good players decide to care and 553 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.759 decide to set the tone and almost shame. I'm into shaming. 554 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:47.480 I'm into bullying. 555 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.319 I don't know how you bully someone who makes two 556 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.839 hundred million dollars, but there are ways to shame them 557 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.799 into it. And I guess throwing rising stars into the 558 00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:56.640 mix on a Sunday like yeah, you don't want that, 559 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.000 then you better bring it next year. 560 00:25:58.359 --> 00:25:58.799 Yeah do you? 561 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.440 Well said, I mean, it is on any player who's 562 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.000 complaining about, hey, the sanctity of being able to earn 563 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.799 your way to play on Sunday, Well, yeah, you guys 564 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:10.279 had the chance and you didn't deliver the performance. And look, ultimately, 565 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.680 I understand that when I complain about what I perceive 566 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.559 to be a problem for the league. They always just 567 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:19.119 talk about the amount of eyes and attention and the 568 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.680 international revenue streams that they generate will completely offset any 569 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.920 you know, compromised domestic revenue streams due to lack of interest, 570 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.119 and I get it, I understand, but ultimately it really 571 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.039 is I think something you take away from basketball fans 572 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.720 and something that you have kind of tried to put 573 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.720 on that's only harming the consumer of somebody that tries 574 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.640 to watch this thing that once upon a time was 575 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.279 really good. Now we're probably never going back to what 576 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.079 it was once upon a time. Maybe it is just 577 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.799 one of those things that generationally has changed and now 578 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.079 it's just time to accept it for what it is now. 579 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.160 Yannis came out with a whole like European or international 580 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:02.039 players versus domestic players. I've done that before. But there 581 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.519 was also a mention of maybe playing this game overseas. 582 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.720 But I land on the same issue like I don't 583 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.079 care where you play it, whether it's Salt Lake two 584 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.240 years ago, the Bay Area this year, or Paris in 585 00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:16.240 two years. I just don't know that any sort of 586 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.400 format or any sort of matchup is going to make 587 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.640 the majority of these guys show up and play hard. 588 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.119 It just I don't know that exists, man, I really don't. 589 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:24.920 Yeah. 590 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.759 I mean remember like the first year of the elam 591 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:28.720 ending where you had to hit a certain marker after 592 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.200 the fourth quarter, Like that was a great All Star 593 00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.880 game and everyone was like it got fixed, they figured 594 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.000 it out, and then like a year later, maybe two 595 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.960 years later, it sucked again, right, Like I just the 596 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.200 toothpastes out of the tube and I don't know how 597 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.240 you get it back in there. And I think it's 598 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:45.799 like you can make all these tweaks and make all 599 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.359 these changes. I think USA versus the world would be 600 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.240 great for a year or two and then it would 601 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.559 kind of go back to, Yeah, my hamstrings at little tight. 602 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:56.920 I'm not going all out. I'm not rotating over you know. 603 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.240 I'm like, I'm not jeopardizing this and jeopardizing that. Like 604 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.440 I I it's just a culture thing. It's a culture thing, 605 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.440 and the culture in the NBA when it comes to 606 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.960 this stuff is I'm gonna I'm gonna try. I'm gonna 607 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.000 give my you know, my my best effort for the 608 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:16.960 things that matter the most. And an exhibition game just 609 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.279 doesn't matter as much as it's supposed to be a celebration. 610 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.319 I mean, man, we went from from years of, oh, 611 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.519 the league is in good hands, the league's in good 612 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.640 hands after every All Star game to now this conversation 613 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.079 every year and it's in it. It sucks like it's 614 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.160 it's annoying. But that's what like, that's just what it is. 615 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.160 And I don't know, I don't I don't think there's 616 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.319 a way to outright fix it. You can tweak it 617 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.400 and improve here and there, but you know, it's human nature, 618 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.599 like regression is gonna happen. 619 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:44.359 Okay, excuse me. 620 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.759 So the Lebron portion of this, and I'm not a 621 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.559 Lebron hater at all. I mean, if anything, I've always 622 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.599 been a guy that's like, I'm stunned that this dude 623 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.640 lived up to everything that we placed on him when 624 00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.680 he was seventeen years old and then some I mean, 625 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.000 I I am in awe of this career and always 626 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.200 And there's a period at the end of that sentence, 627 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:06.880 no matter what, but to show up and not really 628 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.680 tell anybody that you're not going to play initially, and 629 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.160 then as the players are being introduced and you're the 630 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.319 last guy they introduced, it's just this grandiose, self absorbed 631 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.079 approach and you're in street clothes and everyone's like, wait what, 632 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:21.599 because look, man, the fact of the matter is. And 633 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.640 I've never been like even back in the day when 634 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.519 players played hard in the All Star Game and they 635 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.240 cared about the acknowledgment. I was never a fan of 636 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.640 putting clauses in contracts that activate bonuses if you make 637 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.640 the team. And I'm not a huge fan of clauses 638 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.559 in player contracts that activate bonuses if you win postseason 639 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.200 awards because the process at times can be so arbitrary. 640 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.480 But Lebron actually, in my opinion, made a very selfish 641 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.839 move over the weekend to not ignowlge. If you're not 642 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:54.279 going to play, speak up, because then a replacement will 643 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.079 step in for you, and then that activates a clause 644 00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.240 in that player's contract to get a little cash, Like 645 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.359 he took money out of somebody's pocket by just wanting 646 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.519 to have this moment be about him as opposed to 647 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:07.680 being just I honestly don't know how. 648 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:08.599 His peers feel about him. 649 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:10.640 I really don't, because I think there are two sides 650 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.960 of the coin, right, I think there are probably plenty 651 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.720 of players that appreciate the path that he paved for 652 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.799 simply more player empowerment, and that's not necessarily even a 653 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.480 bad thing. But then there's the over exaggeration of his 654 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.880 own story, the outright lies that are very easy to. 655 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:26.920 Pull receipts up for. 656 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.839 And if I'm like Porter brought up the name Norman Powell, 657 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.599 if I'm one of players that was on the outside 658 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.000 looking in and realizing that I had a chance to 659 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.720 be an All Star and make a little cash and 660 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.400 I'm watching that, I'm probably pretty upset. 661 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:40.559 Man. 662 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:41.920 So give me your thoughts. 663 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.599 Well, I'm with you, Like, I think all that is fair. 664 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.200 If that's the case. Now, our friend Amin al Haffen 665 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.720 had a theory today on the part of the podcast 666 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:58.000 Basketball Illuminati. Maybe it was a quiet protest. Maybe it 667 00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.599 was a quiet protest of rising stars being allowed to 668 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.480 play on the Sunday Game, and and it like, I 669 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.200 don't know if I completely buy that theory, but I'm 670 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.400 interested because when you think about it, all right, he 671 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:11.640 doesn't tell anybody, He just goes out there. He doesn't 672 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.279 even dress, He just wears his normal clothes, and everything 673 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.079 does the photo ops. Doesn't even dress for the photo 674 00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.000 ops and everything and then multiple times on the weekend, 675 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.680 multiple times in the In the broadcast, Draymond Green, his friend, 676 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.240 a clutch athlete, starts openly saying, how trash this is 677 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.559 that rising stars get to play on this day. Lebron 678 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.799 doesn't have to be the bad guy in that sense. 679 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.359 But if that's the case, if that theory holds any weight, 680 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:43.319 holds any water, I like, I'm I'm very. 681 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.000 Intrigued by it. 682 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.880 I don't again, I don't know if I believe it. 683 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:47.880 I've been processing it since I heard it this morning, 684 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.960 but I like, I'm not outright rejecting it as a possibility. 685 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.720 All right, hmm, I'll have to digest that. 686 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.599 I look like I've been thinking about it all yeah. 687 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.720 Yeah, yeah, it means my guy, Tom's my guy. At times. 688 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.200 I listened to that podcast, I'm like, how much ayahuasca 689 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.319 did you do this morning prior to the record, Because 690 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.880 they go into places and look, it's why it's a 691 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:17.519 good product, because they do think outside of the box. Yeah, man, 692 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:19.279 I don't know. Let me just follo up with this 693 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.160 since I alluded to it. How do you think, like 694 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.279 if you had a room full of the majority of 695 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.839 the league and they had to tell the truth. How 696 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.119 do you think his peers view him? How do you 697 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.240 think the other players in the league view Lebron James. 698 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.000 It's a great question because you do have you know, 699 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.599 you have so many different eras of people who are like, 700 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.839 you know, hey MJ's the greatest, right, or hey, Kobe's 701 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.079 actually the greatest. Why isn't he considered for this? Like 702 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.359 I saw a video, an older video, but it was 703 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.680 Alan Iverson recently enough talking about it. I can't believe 704 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.400 Kobe gets you know, skipped over for these conversations and 705 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.640 he's like, no disrespect to Lebron, but you know, Kobe 706 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.880 was the next guy. And then you get to like, 707 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.000 I mean, look, it's a brand Miller, But there are 708 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.359 players in the league that are like, hey, Paul George 709 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:03.640 is the. 710 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.119 Guy, right. 711 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.039 I'm like that's crazy, Like what a crazy jump there 712 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.400 to be like, hey, you know the best players? To me, 713 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.640 it's Paul George. You know, Ant's favorite player. I don't 714 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.279 think he's say the best. His favorite player is Kevin Durant. 715 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.920 I don't know how many current players look at Lebron 716 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.200 that way. I think they appreciate the longevity. I think 717 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.039 they know, especially once they've been in this for a 718 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.000 few years to recognize that we're on year twenty two. 719 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.720 He's still this good. He's got all these check marks 720 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.880 on his on his resume, to your point, like he 721 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:36.640 had the most insane expectations for everything and he exceeded them. 722 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.599 Like he's flat out exceeded them. He hasn't really had 723 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.599 Like his biggest scandal is is that he you know, 724 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.880 he signed with a team on television in twenty ten, right, 725 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.839 Like that's the biggest thing that people really like can 726 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.119 hold against him still, I guess, but I don't. I 727 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.079 don't know that he holds, you know, across the league 728 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.720 in a way that MJ did or a way that 729 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.400 Kobe did for a while, because even Kobe was getting 730 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.759 that as Shaq was still an MVP and a great player, 731 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.759 and people were still like, yo, Kobe's kind of the guy. 732 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:08.360 I don't. 733 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.039 I don't know how many players would be like I 734 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.920 think they they're appreciative of the player empowerment. I think 735 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.679 they're appreciative of how this stuff is gone. But maybe 736 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.039 it was always going to go that way and he 737 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:20.679 was just the person to do it rather than he's 738 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:21.239 the reason. 739 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.679 You know, if that makes sense. 740 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.519 It does, And my best guess is most players would 741 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.800 land on you know, ultimate respect with a side of 742 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.360 eye roll right from time to time, where you're like, dude, 743 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.000 come on, like you know you've already proven it's in 744 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.480 a way. And I was at the Hall of Fame 745 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.719 induction ceremony when Michael Jordan gave his famous speech when 746 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.920 he just eviscerated everybody, and everybody there was like, Mike, like, 747 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.199 we know that none of those people could guard you, 748 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.880 Like we watched the whole thing, Like, why are you 749 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:51.920 reminding us? 750 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.639 Right? And I kind of that's why he's the greatest. 751 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.320 To me, Oh no, look it was, and that's probably 752 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.840 one of the things that he used every single night 753 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.960 to motivate, you know, to play at the top of 754 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.320 his game. But I think in a different way, I 755 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.119 feel the same about a lot a lot of the 756 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.360 Lebron stuff where he's not as outwardly like I want 757 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.599 to kill you and slash your throat, but like the 758 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.920 comments about having a high basketball at Q and the 759 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.519 comments about like you don't understand what it is to 760 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.199 play on the level that I do. 761 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.639 And like it's the same thing. I'm like, I know, man, 762 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.400 I watch you. It's amazing. 763 00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:28.639 You don't have to remind us how great you are 764 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.920 because we can see it. Like that's the stuff with 765 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:32.880 him that kind of falls on deaf ears for me. 766 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.039 Yeah, I mean, like I'll push back on one thing. 767 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.079 I love the line. 768 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.079 The line that we can like outright. 769 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:41.639 Prove immediately to be wrong. 770 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.599 I think is such a bold move by him, and 771 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.960 such a funny move and such a funny part of 772 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.760 his legacy is that he will just outright say stuff 773 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.760 that isn't true and we're like, hold on a second, like, no, 774 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.920 none of that, Like we've got receipts here, as he said, 775 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.920 like we've got these receipts, like I don't know, and 776 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.400 he just kind of like just try stuff with that. 777 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.599 In terms of narratives his whole I'm not even a score. 778 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.159 It's like, you've averaged twenty four points of games since 779 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.079 you were in the NBA. Like I don't think he's 780 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:07.920 I think the lowest he's ever averaged is like twenty 781 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.079 two or something like that, right, Like, like, no, you're 782 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:11.639 a score, Like I get you were supposed to be 783 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:14.079 Magic Johnson, but you you everg just like twenty seven 784 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.159 a game for your career like that, like you're a score. 785 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.639 No one says you're not a scorer, and so his 786 00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.519 control of the narrative can get tiresome at times. But 787 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.639 I do ultimately think, like when you're trying to live 788 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.559 up to Michael Jordan, right, like he's mentioned before, he's 789 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.719 chasing that ghost, when you're trying to live up for that, 790 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.800 and you and you can't in terms of like the 791 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.440 ways that Mike was accepted versus the ways that Lebron 792 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.960 is judged. You know, he was always gonna be this 793 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.679 crazy uphill battle. But when you can't match that, when 794 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.280 you have lost in the finals, right, you do kind 795 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.519 of have to pivot a little bit. And I guess 796 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:59.760 I understand that attempt by him to rise above that standard, 797 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:04.440 which focusing on the other stuff, But ultimately it's I 798 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.760 just find it funny. But I can't take anything seriously. 799 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.440 You know, well, yeah, I mean the entertainment values through 800 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:12.800 the roof. There have been more than a few times 801 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.320 or I'm watching him in a real time say something, 802 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.119 I'm like, dude, what that's like? 803 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:18.400 Not even close? 804 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.039 Even just walking into an arena on page one of 805 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.320 a book, right, is so funny? 806 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:26.400 Yeah? Right? 807 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.840 It's so funny. 808 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.920 Yeah, yeah, no, And and I just I always wonder 809 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.599 how other players digest it because it seems so fake 810 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.159 and so corny for a guy that's so awesome. It's 811 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.400 so many things that he does. But one more thing here, 812 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.079 because have you ever done any anything with its van Lathan? 813 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:43.320 Have you ever worked with him at all? 814 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:45.440 Yeah? Yeah, I like him. 815 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.440 I don't know, I don't know him, but whenever he's 816 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:48.960 on a pod, I try to catch it because I 817 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.599 like his insight and I had forgotten this story, so 818 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.880 I wanted to see if you had any insight to it. 819 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.639 Where Lebron in his third or fourth year in the 820 00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.559 league thereabouts, had a camp during the summer where high 821 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.639 school players showed up and they were in a run 822 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.480 and Jordan Crawford dunked on him, and according to Van Lathan, 823 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.559 right after that dunk, he stopped the game and went 824 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.360 over to everybody who had a phone and said, kill 825 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.639 that video. I don't want that going online anywhere. And 826 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.719 you know, I had heard that, but I had forgotten 827 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.000 about it. And when I listened to Van Lathan unpacked 828 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:21.679 out yesterday, I was like, dude, that is kind of 829 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:26.079 like a anecdote. There might be a microcosm of exactly 830 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.679 why we are where we are with some of this stuff, 831 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.920 because players are so terrified to have one clip go 832 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.280 viral and then exist on the internet forever. And Jordan 833 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.000 Crawford was a good player, I mean, he played pro basketball. 834 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.400 So do you have any insight into how that went down? 835 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.639 And what does that kind of snapshot say to you? 836 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.000 Yeah, I don't, Like I definitely remember that, and I 837 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.840 remember the rumors and then I like the footage got 838 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.079 out at some point it did, yes, and it's like 839 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.079 it's not even like it's not like Anthony Edwards on 840 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.480 John Collins, Like it's like it's like he dunked on him, 841 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.639 but it wasn't. It wasn't this like biblical thing. And 842 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.239 so it's funny to me because I do think, like 843 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.760 I do think there is a real level of insecurity 844 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.119 with Lebron, whereas I like, I think Kobe was insecure 845 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.119 and how he was trying to catch Mike. I think 846 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.599 Mike was just and I'd say this lovingly, like a psychopath, 847 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.599 right that, Like even in the Last Dance documentary, there's 848 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.639 a point where he's in a hotel room and he's like, 849 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.039 I no one would want this life, and you're like, 850 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.079 that's crazy. You're the highest paid player, you're the most popular, 851 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.559 and he's like, this is miserable, right, Like he was 852 00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.480 just outright, this is miserable, but he has to do 853 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.000 it this way. And trying to replicate that when that's 854 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.280 the standard, I think leads to a lot of insecurity 855 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.880 in a game where you are harshly judged. And so 856 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.199 I think any little bit as you were growing up, 857 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.079 you know more and more in an Internet era where 858 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.559 you know, Mike didn't have to deal with that, Kobe 859 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.320 early on didn't have to deal with that. Lebron he's 860 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.920 just old enough to like to be kind of aware 861 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.760 of that stuff, you know, at a young enough age. 862 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.639 And I remember it not as him stopping the practice 863 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.719 or stopping the run and everyone's got it short. I 864 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.519 remember that as like Nike officials went and this is 865 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.519 probably at the behest of Lebron, if this is true, 866 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.320 but Nike officials went and like took all the footage 867 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.480 they could get and to eliminate that, right, And so 868 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.760 I don't know if that's like a team thing controlling 869 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:26.000 the narrative, but he is so worried about his narrative 870 00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:31.119 and being misjudged or underappreciated, and it's like, man, we 871 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.280 appreciate you. It's just eventually you move on to the 872 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:35.760 next era. 873 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:37.280 Right. 874 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.000 It's like the kid in school who tried the hardest 875 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.920 to be cool is the one that was least cool. 876 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.920 It's like, you know you either are you you aren't? 877 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:45.480 You know, like, stop trying so hard? 878 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.400 Would you trade a life that is thought to be 879 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.719 miserable in exchange for being Michael Jordan? I should say, 880 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.519 would you agree to a life that is not to 881 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.480 be miserable if that meant you could be Michael Jordan? 882 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.639 I man, like I have a lot of irrational confidence 883 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.840 in my life. I can't be I can't imagine being 884 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:06.440 a little to back it up that way like that 885 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.400 would be. That's a level of power that I don't 886 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:11.920 I mean, of course I would like that like that. 887 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.800 My answer is ultimately yes, but I think it's way 888 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.159 more complicated than people think. 889 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.039 And I also do not trust myself with that type 890 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:20.840 of ability. I mean, I would score twenty in a 891 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.239 high school game and almost get shot in a venue 892 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.400 because I just couldn't stop talking to the other players 893 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.639 or the other crowd. So if I was the best 894 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.960 player in the world, I probably would be murdered. If 895 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.800 I'm honest. 896 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.039 Here's the thing. I don't think you could be that 897 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.199 type of player, that type of personal I don't think 898 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:36.960 you could be that today. As much as it's like 899 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.280 sort of revered that level of like And again, I 900 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.280 don't say this as like a disparager remark. I think 901 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.360 it's I think it's ultimately a positive for his career, 902 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.239 but that level of like competitive psychosis, like, I don't 903 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.119 think that. I don't think that would be accepted today, 904 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.400 like as a culture. 905 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.280 Yeah, you're probably right, I would, you know, And I 906 00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.559 guess it's a good point to bring up because in 907 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:02.960 fairness to Lebron, like, I wonder what the Michael Jordan 908 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.199 narrative would be if everywhere he went there were cameras 909 00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.400 following him. Man, because I know some of the sausage 910 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.239 there was maybe on the scenes. I certainly don't know 911 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:10.719 all of it. 912 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.159 And you know, like, I'm sure it's rough. 913 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.519 Oh if we knew, if we knew all the details 914 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.800 about Michael Jordan, and I mean all the details about 915 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.440 Michael Jordan when he wasn't playing basketball, there's no way 916 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.400 he's remembered the way he is today. So in fairness 917 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.199 to lebron Our guy was raised under a microscope the 918 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:30.159 way that Mike wasn't. 919 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.760 Yeah, absolutely he was. And I think, man, like you 920 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:36.519 have any kind of eyes on it, it's like it's the 921 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.880 whole thing of you might like feel like you're wearing 922 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.599 something that doesn't fit right or looks stupid, and you're 923 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:44.360 in your mind, you're in a grocery store and you're like, 924 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.000 everyone is staring at me, everyone is judging me, everyone's 925 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.800 looking at me, and reality like, no one cares. Maybe 926 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.519 one person cares. Right, So to have that about your 927 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.360 like professional life, that you've essentially sacrificed the childhood and 928 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.800 an adulthood on some level in order to become the 929 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.840 best at it or maximize whatever potential you had to 930 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:04.840 do all that and then it's still scrutinized. Like I 931 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.280 always think about this of like think about how good, 932 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.480 how historically good Chris Paul is at basketball, right, and 933 00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.079 how easily dismissed he is. That's got to be maddening. 934 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.199 Yeah, yeah, you know, And and a lot of the 935 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.480 criticisms are fair. I've always been a Chris Paul guy, 936 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.960 but your point is well taken. All right, man, good 937 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.280 stuff today, and I'm glad we agree. And I'm gonna 938 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.239 have this asteroid topic with the rest of my guest 939 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.039 because I could not stop thinking about it last night. 940 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.519 But yes, the thought of what you could do the 941 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.719 final couple of days, be where everything ends is just 942 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.559 it's too intoxicating. 943 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.440 I'm not gonna lie if you remember. 944 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.480 Let's revisit it again next week because I want to. 945 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.480 I really want to think about this and like what 946 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:45.559 that would entail for me. 947 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.239 Fair enough, We'll do that, buddy. I have a good 948 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.239 week with Chatso I'm Zach Harper from The Athletic also 949 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:55.119 host the Cinapho podcast. He's got a podcast called Count 950 00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.480 the Dings. He does work on Serious XM. He's a 951 00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.559 busy boy at tak Hoops is where you find him 952 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.199 on social medium. Brought to you today by our good 953 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.280 friends at Burt Brothers. With over thirty years of experience 954 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.880 in nearly thirty locations. Burt Brothers, as certified technicians, bring 955 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.239 expertise and professionalism to every interaction industry leading warranties and 956 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.239 low priced tire guarantees. One stop shop for reliable repairs 957 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.079 and maintenance, from tires and alignments to fluids and breaks, 958 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.679 Offering a full range of automotive services tailor to meet 959 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.320 your needs. 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Typically a Friday 967 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.400 staple on the program, but Chris Camaradni Liven Studio stops 968 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.920 by on this Wednesday afternoon for the three o'clock hour. 969 00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:57.039 So you did watch Can Hardly Wait lately recently and 970 00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.639 didnt you? Because this track is on that soundtrack. 971 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.280 I think Graduate is on a different Third Eye Blay hit. 972 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.360 But I mean they're all bangers. 973 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.960 Spence, So we were talking about this during the break. 974 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.719 Porter yesterday asked a question on air that honestly blew 975 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.599 my mind a little bit, so shout out to him 976 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.639 because I randomly the algorithm on Spotify was like, you're 977 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.599 in the mood to listen to Interstay love song by 978 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.239 Stone Temple Pilots today, Boom, here you go, and I 979 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.079 probably haven't heard that song in five or six years. 980 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.920 And I was like, oh, I like this song. This 981 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.079 is a good song. STP fine, not great. 982 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:34.440 So I did the Spotify I know you you and 983 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.119 will Hardy Apple Music. 984 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:38.639 I did the Spotify. 985 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:39.960 Thing where you can pull up the song and then 986 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.400 just go to the radio station that will play other 987 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.519 songs like that one, and the algorithm tells you what 988 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.119 you like. And it was littered with nineties one hit wonders. 989 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.360 There was a ton of Pearl Jam, there was Nirvana, 990 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.920 STP and and a little bit of Third Eye Blind 991 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.079 as well. And so when Porter brought that up, like 992 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.719 how has this music aged, I honestly don't know the answer, 993 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.960 because I don't know how many youngs are like Rocking 994 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:05.000 Ram these days. 995 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:05.639 That's a good point. 996 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:09.159 I would say that the nineties were probably are probably 997 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.039 overlooked in terms of what are conceived to be oldies now. 998 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.039 I would imagine the youngs have. 999 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.960 Their fair share of eighties music for the Michael Jackson's 1000 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:23.199 the all that stuff. Probably the seventies as well. I 1001 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.760 don't know, that's a great question. I know that some youngs, 1002 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:30.000 like my youngest sister in law love's nineties hip hop. 1003 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.079 How how old are. 1004 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:33.079 Twenty three? 1005 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:37.719 Yeah, so that resonates. But like if we're talking about, 1006 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.280 you know, going to a coffee shop in the Avenues, 1007 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:43.039 I don't know if one of the baristas there is like, 1008 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:48.239 you know, crushing b sides of h Third Eye Blind 1009 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.440 or you know depeche Mode. 1010 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:55.119 Cafe on First a excellent spot, great spot, great breakfast breeder. Yeah, 1011 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.239 they could work on the wrapping of the breedo. I'm 1012 00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:58.519 just going to say that if you get like the 1013 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:03.360 extra cream, cheese and stuff, they're not. But no, it 1014 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.119 was actually making me think, and I'm a little bit 1015 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.280 older than you, but you appreciate the nineties first of all, 1016 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.519 Nineties hip hop is by far the best decade. It's 1017 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.920 not even close. And if there's another close decade, it's 1018 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.679 actually probably the eighties not moving forward. So I'm glad 1019 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.920 to hear your sister in law appreciates it. But you're 1020 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.800 a fan of the you're a fan of the nineties, 1021 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.159 even though that you know, you're a older millennial. 1022 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.320 The best decade decade? What did you say off here? 1023 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.079 Everything was great? 1024 00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:26.920 Everything was good? 1025 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:27.360 Love it. 1026 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.719 I mean, listen, I listened to the Rewatchables podcast Bill Simmons, 1027 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.360 Kyle Brandt did Wayne's World, Oh nice? And that is 1028 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.679 you know, a top five movie for me all time. 1029 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.719 And Kyle Brandt of the NFL Network is you know, 1030 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.719 a famous on on camera face And he told a 1031 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:55.360 story how he got to interview the stars of Bohemian Rhapsody, 1032 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.199 the movie starring Rommy Mallick, like for some reason, they 1033 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.320 went on NFL Network when the movie was coming out, 1034 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:02.760 and he asked them what their relationship was to like 1035 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.639 that song and they were like, oh, we all learned 1036 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.079 of it from Wayne's World, just like I did. And 1037 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.159 I know that's a song from the eighties. And Wun's 1038 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.159 World is a movie from the nineties. But yeah, man, 1039 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.320 I mean, I'm on a tangent here, but watch Wayne's World. 1040 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.320 To me, it's the most quotable movie of all time. 1041 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:21.639 It's got to be up there. I want the c 1042 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.840 K tangents all hour man. And by the way, the 1043 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.800 most gen x thing I'll say on the show today, 1044 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.760 Kyle Brandt for me is Kyle Brant from the Real World, 1045 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.400 Real Real World, Chicago, not from the NFL network. Okay, 1046 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.880 Kyle Brant was on the Real World like twenty. 1047 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.440 Years ago, and he was a soap opera guy. He was. 1048 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.000 Yeah, that's right, yep. But no, I mean, did you 1049 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.480 watch the Real World back in the day. 1050 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.199 Yeah, I watched Real World Seattle, San francisc Sattle was good. 1051 00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.599 I was always a Real World guy. Over road Rules, 1052 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:48.840 I was. 1053 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:50.960 Road Rules came later. 1054 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.519 Yeah, and then they did like a Real World versus 1055 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:54.719 Road Rules type thing. 1056 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:55.679 I mean for. 1057 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.880 MTV used to be really cool. Oh yeah, I'm telling 1058 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.440 you it was. I would get home from school and 1059 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:09.599 I would go watch Total Requests Live TRL Carson Daily 1060 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.239 three thirty pm. Absolutely, and you know, you wanted to 1061 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.079 see what was going to be the top video of 1062 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.760 the day, and so often it was you know, your 1063 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.639 Poppy in syncs, Christina Aguileras. But every once in a 1064 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.599 while you had, you know, a curveball, and then you 1065 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.159 had a blink Win eighty two or a green day 1066 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.599 or something, and it was it used to it was 1067 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:29.280 a vibe, as the kids say back in. 1068 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.480 The day, MTV for a number of years ruled and 1069 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.480 it's our generation, the generation now. First of all, I 1070 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.199 don't watch you know, anything outside of YouTube or their phones. 1071 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.519 But you know TRL and I got to say, Real 1072 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:44.599 World Road Rules Challenge. I loved it. 1073 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:49.400 Yeah that was great. Yeah. VH one Behind the Music. 1074 00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.920 Nice, like bring that back for real though, yes. 1075 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:56.360 Like that was almost like sixty minutes like for musical 1076 00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.880 talent yep, very fascinating stuff. I would love them a 1077 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.039 different channel. But like stuff like that, we need more 1078 00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:03.440 of now. 1079 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.719 I totally agree there's not a lot of that out there, 1080 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.159 and maybe there's some on YouTube that haven't discovered yet 1081 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:09.880 because I need to maybe. 1082 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.320 Uh might as well just go back and rewatch stuff 1083 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.599 because we're so inundated with information that I'm sure we've 1084 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.480 forgotten a billion things that we once to do. 1085 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:19.079 No doubt. 1086 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.039 But nineties, okay, we're on the same page. Things of age, well, movies, 1087 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.239 music and such. YouTube television is where we're able to 1088 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:28.159 watch the lads today. Let's see a little bit on 1089 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:28.559 the lads. 1090 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.519 C k no on YouTube, not YouTube TV. It is 1091 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.000 streaming on YouTube, but it's not on YouTube TV. 1092 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.920 So RSL Conca CAF Champions Cup in about one hour 1093 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.880 twenty minutes streaming on YouTube. 1094 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.480 And you can watch it on two B which is 1095 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.320 a free app. Okay, but there's other there's other CONCA 1096 00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.800 calf games on tonight. So Messi's playing, so okay, they 1097 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:52.559 get the main draw. 1098 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:53.159 I see. 1099 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.639 I think Seattle's in Honduras or Guatemala. There's a bunch 1100 00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:58.599 of matches tonight. I know last night you were grinding 1101 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:04.079 tape on on Rapids LAFC. But tonight, when the star 1102 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.079 is front and center, everybody else's secondary. 1103 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.239 Yeah, and look there's no debate. I mean, obviously I've 1104 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.760 talked about this before. When when you have a signing 1105 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.320 like Lino Messi, I mean I draw the parallel to Beckham, 1106 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.519 even though worldwide there's really no comparison. I mean, hell, 1107 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.079 Trey came on the show and compared him to Jesus. Okay, 1108 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:23.840 so that's where. 1109 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.119 The message done to some people literally is. 1110 00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.000 Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't think, 1111 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.280 and I'll only speak for myself. I've been overseas and 1112 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.880 attended games in the EPL, and when you do that, 1113 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:36.480 you open yourself up to an entire new world. On 1114 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.000 a number of different reasons. First of all, you say, oh, 1115 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.880 soccer can look like that all do you respect to 1116 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.159 MLS thirty years old, a dumb. 1117 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.440 Weird league and the and only getting dumber. Yes in 1118 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:48.960 some in some areas. 1119 00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.360 Quality of play improving, certainly, but a league that is 1120 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.079 just dumb in so many differ it is it is, 1121 00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.079 and the quality improving. But when you actually see what 1122 00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.639 it looks like in the Premiership, and you know, I've 1123 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.000 never been like Bundesliga or La Liga or whatever, but 1124 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.679 I've seen it on television, you realize that soccer can 1125 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.039 look like that, and that's why it is the world's game. 1126 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.000 But you also realize that, I don't think many of 1127 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.599 us in this country have an accurate idea of just 1128 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.559 how big this game is and how massively popular these 1129 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.119 players are. When you actually leave our borders, I'm not 1130 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:21.440 sure that we really have proper content. 1131 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.599 Yeah, I mean, the easiest comp would be our American 1132 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.320 football because that runs the show in this country and 1133 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.639 probably will forever. But yeah, I mean, it's it's still 1134 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.960 insane to me. I think Miami's playing another MLS team 1135 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.599 in Conker CAF tonight, but like it's still hilarious that 1136 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.920 Messi brought his buddies to Miami and brought another great 1137 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.960 Argentine who he played with at Barcelona to be their 1138 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:46.639 head coach too. 1139 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:47.840 So it's like it's. 1140 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.559 Messi's show and MLS and you're right, like the star 1141 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:58.039 power that he wields is I mean, Lebron, Kobe, Michael, 1142 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.400 those are the guys. I mean, did we like, who 1143 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:03.719 is the most famous American football player? 1144 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:04.639 Is it Brady? 1145 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.119 I'm sure, yeah, it's probably still Tom Brady. 1146 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.280 Yeah, but like currently active, No, I'm saying, like in 1147 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:11.320 our in our life. 1148 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:12.119 Yeah, it's probably Brady. 1149 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:16.960 I mean, I think if Tom Brady goes to Peru, 1150 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.119 or if he goes to Gabone, or if he goes 1151 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.159 to Sri Lanka, nobody's freaking out. 1152 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:23.960 If they seem more. 1153 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:24.719 Right on the streets. 1154 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.039 Right in the NFL, you know, there are rumors that 1155 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.679 they're going to try to expand internationally in Mexico City 1156 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.360 and Europe and such. I don't like why it's never 1157 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.119 been embraced overseas. I think it's a very uniquely American. Yeah, 1158 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.719 well everything else, but they don't need it, they don't. 1159 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:40.880 You know, like the NFL doesn't. 1160 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:44.159 The NBA very much needs international revenue streams to kind 1161 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.400 of offset the domestic. 1162 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.840 Uh apathy that's right to the product. 1163 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.280 During the regular season where players just don't really seem 1164 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.000 to care at all. Did you watch one second of 1165 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:54.719 All Star Weekend? 1166 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:56.880 I did not have you ever? Oh yeah, so you 1167 00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:57.400 a fan. 1168 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.679 Back back in the day when I was single and 1169 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.719 sad and didn't have much of a life, I would 1170 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.760 you know, fire up a you know, Kraft mac and 1171 00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:11.599 cheese and watch the Dunk Contestino pizza. Yeah, or you know, 1172 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.000 during my super sad days, I would go to Cafe 1173 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.559 Rio and get a giant two thousand calorie salad and 1174 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.960 you know, watch a dunk contest. But it hasn't been 1175 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.920 I mean, it's ironic that they had it in San Francisco, 1176 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.719 which is the last time I thought the dunk contest 1177 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:29.679 was worth a damn twenty five years ago, when I 1178 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:30.639 was like fifteen years. 1179 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:32.519 And that dunk contest was something else. 1180 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:36.760 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and now it's all gimmicks, and 1181 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:39.599 you know, it's fine, you don't. We don't need to 1182 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.280 go over NBA All Star Hot Takes by c K today. 1183 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.079 Now, I am honestly wondering as somebody who makes is 1184 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:47.199 living in the world of sports. If it even resonated 1185 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:48.519 with you, I know I should turn this on. 1186 00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:49.440 Not even a little bit. 1187 00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.400 I mean, is it shallow to say that if there 1188 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.039 were star talent in the dunk contests that I would 1189 00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:55.960 probably tune in? 1190 00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:56.719 No? 1191 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.079 I mean, look, Matt, that that to me is more 1192 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:00.000 intriguing than the game. 1193 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.280 Well, and it's one of the things that's changed. And 1194 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.400 I hate to put all of this on Lebron. It 1195 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.159 sounds like I am and mac McClung is a tremendously 1196 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:11.119 talented dunker, but he's a G League player that most 1197 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.119 people have never heard of. And he looks like your 1198 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.039 little brother's friend that came over to try to steal 1199 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.760 your uncrustables. He just looks like a dude. But Lebron, 1200 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.679 I think was kind because Kobe won the Dunk Contest. 1201 00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:23.519 He may have won a twice. 1202 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.480 He was really young though, right that was it was 1203 00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:26.719 before he got famous. 1204 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.079 Well sure, but he did win it twice, and I 1205 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.400 do think the second time he wanted he was kind 1206 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.159 of evolving into one of the better players and league. 1207 00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.480 I think the first time he was in it, he 1208 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.679 was a rookie, to your point, the same rookie that 1209 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:41.119 airballed like five three share in Salt Lake. But I mean, 1210 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:44.199 you know, when Lebron kind of burst on the scene. 1211 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.840 I can remember when you know, people who covered the 1212 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:49.039 league were talking about it. It was almost like this rite 1213 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.880 of passage. Mike did it, Kobe did it, and now 1214 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.559 it's Lebron's turn because he's dunking on people. So he 1215 00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:57.559 asked to be able to dunk in a dunk contest. 1216 00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.960 Really well, he never had any entry. 1217 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:01.039 Never you want. 1218 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.639 Brons too smart, man, he was never going to open 1219 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.679 himself up to potentially lose on that stage, and they 1220 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.440 probably wouldn't have let him lose. Is that smart though, 1221 00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:14.119 or is it weak? I mean it depends, man, it's 1222 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.880 a dunk contest. I agree with you. I'm just telling 1223 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.800 you through the lens of how the current modern player thinks. 1224 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.360 And I think everybody blames Lebron. At the end of 1225 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.079 the day, everything's about money. You're going, how are you 1226 00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:31.400 going to be the most marketable two brands. Don't put 1227 00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:36.599 yourself in any sort of precarious position publicly privately, even 1228 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:41.159 on something as you know, inconsequential as a dunk contest. 1229 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.719 That's that's the way. That's the way most professional players are, 1230 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:45.440 especially in. 1231 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.000 The NBA, and it's the way they are now. And 1232 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.639 I just need to stop being like, hey, it used 1233 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.480 to be different. And the reason why I continue to 1234 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.480 bring this up topically it's different than the Pro Bowl 1235 00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:56.960 because I've had a few guests like, hey, well what 1236 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:58.880 about the Pro Bowl? Nobody watches the Pro Bowl. Here's 1237 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.079 the difference. The Pro Bowl has never been good. It 1238 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.320 was never good, it was never competitive. The All Star Game, 1239 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.159 for like thirty years, was the best pickup basketball game 1240 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.280 in the world because the best players showed up and 1241 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.639 they played hard and they tried to win. And so 1242 00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.199 when you juxtaposed the two products, now it's maybe it's 1243 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.199 just a selfish thing that I missed this game that 1244 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.840 I used to love, and now because I turned it on, 1245 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:25.840 I watched it and it was It wasn't just the 1246 00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.199 format and the games they were frustrating. It was the 1247 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.760 television presentation. We got thirty minutes of Kevin Hart making 1248 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.280 fun of Shaq's turtleneck. 1249 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:36.039 What am I watching? 1250 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:36.840 Yeah? 1251 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:37.480 And if you're a. 1252 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.079 Player, Chris, and you play a game and you play 1253 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.719 hard for about fifteen minutes to try to win, and 1254 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.800 then they come over the side and say they say, hey, okay, 1255 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.159 you're gonna have to sit here now for twenty or 1256 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:48.719 thirty minutes. 1257 00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.239 Kevin Hart does stand up. They interviewed Jokic and they're like, hey, 1258 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:53.960 what'd you do during the break. He's like, I got tight. 1259 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:55.559 That's how you get hurt exactly. 1260 00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:56.159 Yeah. 1261 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.599 No, I don't know how people didn't think that through. Yeah, 1262 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.719 that is the quintessential. Like, if you're going to play, 1263 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.440 play otherwise, do not do that because the chances of 1264 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.239 you getting a muscle pull or a tweak or something 1265 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:12.440 are so much higher if you play for fifteen or 1266 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.000 twenty minutes then have to sit for an hour and 1267 00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:15.039 a half and then play again. 1268 00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:18.599 One hundred percent. And any pickup soccer player knows this. 1269 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.000 You don't have to be a high level athlete. Kevin 1270 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.320 Hart funny, yes or no. 1271 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.480 Kevin Hart was funny on forty year old virgin See. 1272 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.960 But like as a stand up I don't think, yeah, no, 1273 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.880 I'm the stand up stuff is like, there are two 1274 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.519 He's really good at making money in Hollywood. 1275 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:38.239 He works his tail. 1276 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.320 I respect his grind, and I respect anybody who works 1277 00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:42.320 as that's what people. 1278 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:43.800 Want to listen to. The drive about is are Kevin 1279 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:44.559 Hart takes. 1280 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:46.800 Well in the grind and they respect my grind last night. 1281 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:48.920 You know, I'm kind of the Kevin a local sports 1282 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.159 soccer radio scene. It's not a big deal, but I 1283 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.840 respect the grind. This stand up is horrible, and to 1284 00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.519 force feed that to people I think was really blind 1285 00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:59.920 and misguided. Like there were a couple of funny mom 1286 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.880 it's here there, but not near enough. And I'm not 1287 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.400 tuned in to watch a stand up comedy show. There 1288 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.639 are two stand up comics that make me feel old 1289 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.360 and not be able to relate to young people. 1290 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.719 Kevin Hart and Pete Davidson. Pete Davidson has never said 1291 00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.920 anything funny in the. 1292 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.480 Entire good actor, though he's good in movies. He's good 1293 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.159 in movies. King of Staten Island. No, hey, come on, 1294 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:21.199 let's go there. 1295 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:25.159 No, No, I'm not watching King of Staten Island because 1296 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:27.360 Pete Davidson is so good movie. 1297 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:29.159 He's so the people. 1298 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:31.800 Not when it comes to Pete Davidson, because this is 1299 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.880 a disconnect. I've never heard him say anything that's funny. 1300 00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.599 I've never seen him do an impression that's clever. I 1301 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.840 have no idea why he was on SNL. I think 1302 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.199 he's a total hack. When it comes to Kevin hart 1303 00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:43.440 and Pete Davidson. 1304 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.440 On the man, there's got to be one. There's got 1305 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.639 to be one Pete Davidson type. What do you think 1306 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.239 got more viewership the SNL fifty or the All Star Game? 1307 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.400 SNL fifty? Did you watch, by the way. 1308 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.920 Oh yeah, it's good, right, absolutely, see it was awesome. 1309 00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:56.880 I got I got choked up during Sandler's song. 1310 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:57.840 Man, that was great. 1311 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:03.800 Sandler nobody carries I think the weight of the people 1312 01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.639 that brought him along the way Sandler does to this day, 1313 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.039 like the way he talks about guys like Farley and 1314 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:14.840 Hartman and just those guys like you can tell that 1315 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.159 it still weighs on him thirty thirty five years later. 1316 01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.480 And it's cool because I mean, here we are talking 1317 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.000 about SNL and sports talk radio, which is totally fine. 1318 01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:25.760 Peyton Mann, Peyton Manning was there. 1319 01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.920 Drive two to six Man, Yeah, you know the deal. 1320 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:32.800 Gotta feel some are yeah, I I the SNL fifty 1321 01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.519 was amazing. And if you gave me the two options 1322 01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:43.639 between watching a team of who who was on the 1323 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.760 Yant George, no offense to your guy, Kyante. If you 1324 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.719 gave me the chance to watch Kiante George play Victor 1325 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:56.079 Webbin Yama or watch SNL fifty, I'll take SNL fifty 1326 01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:57.599 ten times out of ten. 1327 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.079 Hard to argue with that, and I think the number 1328 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.719 would back you up. Best SNL cast member of all time. 1329 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:05.480 You have a hot take on that. You can throw 1330 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:06.360 a few names out there. 1331 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.119 I mean, my generation was I got I had, Farrell 1332 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.719 was my generation, So I'll go Ferrell. But like, I'm 1333 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:19.320 old enough that my friend's siblings bought the old best 1334 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.599 of VHS tapes of like Farley and Dana Carvey and 1335 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.440 Mike Myers, so we would watch those on VHS because 1336 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.519 we missed that era. Like and I mean some of 1337 01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:33.840 some of those sketches, man just kill me still. I 1338 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.800 mean it's they're so amazing. But I'll go Ferrell because 1339 01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:37.960 that was my wheelhouse. 1340 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.480 See to me, it's Farley, Yeah, you know that's because 1341 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.639 that's my era. The Dana Carvey, Adam Sander, Al Frankin 1342 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:48.400 tim Meadows, tim Meadows, wildly underrated, Phil Hartman, wildly underrated, 1343 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.360 rest in people. Absolutely, and you brought this up off air, 1344 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.320 which I think is spot on. And actually there's a 1345 01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.360 sports parallel because whichever generation you came up in, yeah 1346 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.719 that's who you think the best SNL cast is. Like, 1347 01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.920 you know, I'll have even parents or family members talk 1348 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.400 about Eddie Murphy and talk about and yeah that, and 1349 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:11.880 it's hard to argue with that. I don't think a 1350 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.000 lot of it has aged super well and it doesn't 1351 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:15.920 land the way with me that it did with them. 1352 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.519 But there are back to not relating to the youngs. 1353 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:22.039 There are plenty of youngs that don't think Adam Sandler 1354 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.360 is funny because, in their defense, he has made a 1355 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.360 lot of really bad movies over the past. But here's 1356 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.360 what I love about him. I think he doesn't really 1357 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.280 give a rip. Like he employs his family, he employs 1358 01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.440 his friends. He's made hundreds of millions of dollars with 1359 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:39.280 his company. Is at Happy Madison. 1360 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:41.400 Pick up basketball player great? 1361 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:41.760 Well? 1362 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:46.480 I mean, I mean gets involved in great pickup games. 1363 01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.880 I think living a life like Adam Sandler seems very 1364 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:50.519 appealing to me. 1365 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.760 If there are legit Sandler haters in the world, I mean, listen, man, 1366 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:03.039 We're in a world of pain on a multitude of reasons. 1367 01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:04.280 But everybody just needs to. 1368 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.599 Calm down, yes, and just enjoy the thing that's in 1369 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.639 front of you for what it is, unless it's the 1370 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.000 All Star Game, because it's horrible. 1371 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:12.440 That's called the transition, kids. 1372 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:13.400 It is and we'll catch a break. 1373 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.400 But coming up next, we'll move on from this stuff 1374 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:18.440 because there are college football topics to talk about today, 1375 01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:21.920 with Christopher Camaraddie, the Big ten in the SEC currently 1376 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:26.480 meeting in New Orleans plotting a hostile takeover. 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I know when it 1397 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:22.599 comes to sports. 1398 01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.599 Soccer radio in February, you want to talk concer Cap 1399 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:32.199 Champions Cup rsl Aradiato. First round aggregate comes into play here. 1400 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:34.760 Have you ever been to a soccer game down in 1401 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:35.400 Central America? 1402 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:36.280 I have no. 1403 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.599 Mcl got to go cover that run the goat and 1404 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:41.639 he said it was insane. 1405 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:42.920 That was our guy, mcl. 1406 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.719 He's good man. He's got some kids and just living 1407 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:53.119 the dream. We miss him. Michael C. Lewis for the uninitiated, 1408 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:53.679 good people. 1409 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:55.840 I can remember. We're gonna have Bill on today. 1410 01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.519 Actually, I think the first game that Bill called in 1411 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:04.760 Central America, he was with Donnie Yeah, and Donny was like, dude, 1412 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.480 just walk up the stairs, don't look left or right. Yep, 1413 01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:10.719 let's get to the broadcast booth and let's stay safe 1414 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.119 and during the broadcast, and we'll get Bill to tell 1415 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:17.480 these stories. If I remember correctly, the fans were throwing 1416 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.679 like batteries at them cool as they were trying. 1417 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:23.199 Yeah, I mean, it just means more. 1418 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.639 Cool. He says could do some damage at some point. 1419 01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.400 I mean, that's Phil's already miss Midwest Man. 1420 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:32.079 That's fair. 1421 01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.000 Bill can take a couple of batteries to the dome 1422 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.559 in any college hoops these days, you watch any college basketball. 1423 01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:41.119 You'll be proud of me. I watch some of both 1424 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:45.000 of the Kansas losses to our local teams this week. 1425 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:49.239 Wildly enough, Kansas did not lead for one second while 1426 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:50.039 they were here in state. 1427 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:56.280 So my take is Kansas sucks because I watched I 1428 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:57.679 had to cover them when they were here in the 1429 01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:01.519 tournament last year, and that they're our big guy is 1430 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.719 probably gonna make a lot of money playing like at 1431 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.960 Real Madrid or something, but like our guy is not 1432 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:10.360 giving more than like fifty percent effort out there. Yeah, 1433 01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.800 and he was like that last year, and I feel 1434 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.559 like they have worse players this year. But like they 1435 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:18.719 lost to Utah, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, 1436 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.360 But Utah is playing a style of basketball that's like 1437 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.159 me and like church ball in like eighth grade, where 1438 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:27.639 you just dribble it around and you know, lift up 1439 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:29.400 your plant lake too soon and then look to throw 1440 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.519 it to somebody. Because they were they were doing some 1441 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.280 wild stuff and the fact that they got away with 1442 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.239 the win good for them. 1443 01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:39.280 Your take on Kansas, I feel like is correct, okay, 1444 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.400 because and I don't want to come across as if 1445 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.880 I'm diminishing a really good win for Utah quad one 1446 01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.599 win and then BYU dog walk them. I mean, at 1447 01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:51.599 one point it was a thirty eight point game. It 1448 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.920 is tied for the biggest defeat Bill Self has ever 1449 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:54.840 suffered to Kansas. 1450 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:56.079 But like. 1451 01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:01.920 The defense for Kansas in both games quite frankly against 1452 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.880 Utah and BYU was atrocious. Now to Bill Self's credit, 1453 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:07.719 he talked about it after the game. But like Trevinell, 1454 01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:09.239 who plays for Brigham. 1455 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.119 You is your guy. I know you have a bone 1456 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:12.280 to pick with Trevan. 1457 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:14.400 I don't have a bone to pick with him. Why 1458 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.079 would I have a bone to pick with Trevornell. It's 1459 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:17.000 just Chris. 1460 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.960 If I think he's a battleful guy. Maybe I'm wrong. 1461 01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:21.559 No, I think he went to Woodscross. 1462 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:22.159 Okay, same thing. 1463 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:24.000 Look, he can shoot the you know what out. 1464 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.599 Of the basketball. He is an elite shooter. Yeah, but 1465 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:28.360 if he couldn't shoot it, he'd be in his fourth 1466 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.760 year blogging about BYU basketball for CASTL. 1467 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.079 There's lots of people around here that do that exactly. 1468 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:34.960 Because he's like twenty seven. But that's what he can do, 1469 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:39.760 and they like ignored him Kansas. There was no no closeouts, 1470 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:43.559 zero closeouts good good term, take away the airspace, get 1471 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.320 up in him, make him uncomfortable on the scouting report 1472 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.400 for Kansas when it comes to number twenty one on BYU. 1473 01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:52.159 The one thing you can't let him do is shoot 1474 01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:54.119 it from the outside. And that's the only thing they 1475 01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:54.639 let him do. 1476 01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:56.960 I mean, it seems like they let everybody shoot from 1477 01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:57.159 the out. 1478 01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:57.840 But that's the thing. 1479 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.079 Like, I don't know what the game plan was or 1480 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.519 if the players were just like screw it and ignore 1481 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:03.239 the game plan. 1482 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:03.880 Like they were. 1483 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.599 Like we went to Kubby's last night. We went too hard. 1484 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:12.199 We had a Sprinkle milkshake. Feeling a little bloated. Don't 1485 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:13.000 know where I'm going. 1486 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:16.520 Little swig after party and ultimately didn't have the energy like, Okay, 1487 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:18.640 here's one for you. I was stunned at how poorly 1488 01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:19.880 Kansas was defensively. 1489 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:21.920 Richie Saunders really good future pro? 1490 01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:25.960 Yeah, probably Europe. Okay, but I think he's b yu's 1491 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.239 best player. I don't think he's their best. 1492 01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.000 Pro probs can he be Sam Merrill? 1493 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.039 I don't think he can shoot it like Sam can shoot. 1494 01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:36.119 It because nobody really saw Sam's my guy. Yeah, covered 1495 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:39.359 Sam in high school. Noo braves, Yep. A lot of 1496 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:43.000 people were like, Sam will make millions of dollars in 1497 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.960 Europe and now he is a rotational player on the 1498 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:46.760 best team in the league. 1499 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.000 Yeah, it's so it's a good It's a good COLMP. 1500 01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.199 Because the interesting thing is Richie's a better athlete than 1501 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:55.279 Sam is. Yeah, and Richie up until like last year, 1502 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:57.720 was only like an energy guy that didn't shoot it 1503 01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:58.199 very well. 1504 01:08:58.680 --> 01:08:59.880 So he's clearly put in the work. 1505 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.199 He is a knockdown shooter, maybe a fringe NBA guy, 1506 01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:05.079 but he is six ' five and he is a 1507 01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.039 good athlete, but he doesn't shoot it the way Sam 1508 01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.760 shoots it. My old thing with Sam was like, if 1509 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:11.479 he can find a way to get a little stronger 1510 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:16.600 and improve his release time, Like you have a cor 1511 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:19.479 then he has a shot because he's knocked down. My 1512 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:22.199 concern with him was what was going to happen with 1513 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.439 Sam Merril is ultimately what happened with Jim Erferdad, which 1514 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.600 is Jimmer is three inches taller. But Jimmer is and 1515 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.920 always has been a ball in hand, shoot it off, 1516 01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:33.720 the dribble guy. He was never a great catch and 1517 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.239 shoot guy. But when he played at BYU, Dave said, 1518 01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:38.359 you've got the ball, you've got the greenness of green lights, 1519 01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.880 so de your thing. So whenever Jimmer would go to 1520 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.319 the G League and played against lesser players where he 1521 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.479 had the ball in his hand, he was good. Then 1522 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.560 he went to the pros, he could never get his 1523 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:51.560 shot off, And so my concern with Sam was like 1524 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.319 will he be able to get that shot off. If 1525 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:56.079 he can, he's got a shot, and he deserves a 1526 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:58.680 lot of credit because he's worked his tail off and 1527 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.119 instead of just being a spot shooter, you know he 1528 01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.439 can shoot a little bit off the bounce. Richie might 1529 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:06.199 be b why he's best player right now though. 1530 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.840 Yeah, that was a good Richie Saunders Tangent and we 1531 01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.039 just went on. I like Richie, he's a good player. Yeah, 1532 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:11.560 local kid. 1533 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:13.960 Where where do you go to high school? Shoot? 1534 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.800 I want to say PG somewhere in there. It feels 1535 01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:18.000 like somewhere American Fork. 1536 01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:20.279 Maybe it feels like somewhere down there. Okay, Well, Mark 1537 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:22.319 wanted him to go to Kentucky. Oh really yeah, and 1538 01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:23.439 Richie decided to stay here. 1539 01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:25.239 Did anybody follow Mark to Kentucky? 1540 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:25.720 Oh? 1541 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.279 Yes, number two Jackson. 1542 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.600 Robins, Jackson Robinson, look at you, good pull. 1543 01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:32.479 But no. 1544 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.960 The reports were that Mark wanted Dallen Hall and Richie 1545 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:38.399 Saunders to follow him to Kentucky, and they both decided 1546 01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:40.760 to stay down at b YU. And I do not 1547 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:42.560 have a bone to pick with Trevinell. I'm just saying 1548 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:44.960 it's amazing to watch a player who only does one 1549 01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:46.399 thing be allowed to do that thing. 1550 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:47.239 Yeah, makes sense. 1551 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:49.800 It's like just leave shack open at the rim. Yeah, 1552 01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:50.600 get a dunkit. 1553 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:53.159 Yeah, college football, you're. 1554 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:53.319 Ready for it. 1555 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:55.239 I'm ready. What are we What are we mad about? 1556 01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:56.960 Well, we're not mad about anything. 1557 01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.359 But for the second time and if just a few months, 1558 01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:03.840 the SEC and the Big Ten are having meetings this 1559 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:06.920 week in New Orleans about the proposed changes they want 1560 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:11.920 to scheduling partnerships the CFP format. According to your guys 1561 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.000 Stuart Mendel, I love it when Stewart is grumpy because he'll. 1562 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:17.119 He'll be going off on people. 1563 01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:17.520 Yeah. 1564 01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:21.439 So what he wrote is the expectation is that these 1565 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:25.600 two conferences want the CFP to expand a sixty. 1566 01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:27.520 To fourteen or sixteen. 1567 01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:30.520 And then they get four auto bids each, Big twelve 1568 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.800 acc get two each and I think that leaves one 1569 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.000 for the G five schools and maybe three at large 1570 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:37.560 bids something like that, either. 1571 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.640 One or three, depending on if it's fourteen or sixteen. 1572 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:40.039 There it is. 1573 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:42.399 So what do you make of this? 1574 01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:44.560 Do you think this is something that's going to come 1575 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.279 to fruition and potentially in twenty twenty six? 1576 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:48.960 What's what's the golden rule? Spence? 1577 01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:49.319 I know? 1578 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:53.720 And with the gold yeah, it's this is always going 1579 01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:57.239 to be an evolving reality. They're never going to settle 1580 01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.800 on anything because nobody's ever going to be happy. And 1581 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:02.279 the more games they play, the more money they make. 1582 01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:05.000 It is as simple as that. You don't need to 1583 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:08.359 go on Reddit and look for any sort of conspiracy 1584 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.760 theory or mystery box to open. It's not that the 1585 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.439 Big ten and the SEC can throw their weight around 1586 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:17.119 because they make the most money and they have the 1587 01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:21.720 strongest you know, media partnership deals with these huge conglomerates, 1588 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:23.439 and more games means more money. 1589 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.640 That's it, bottom line, that's all it is. Yeah, I mean, 1590 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:27.239 are they wrong? 1591 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.199 Are they wrong that more games may mean more money? 1592 01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:37.279 Are they wrong in basically hijacking this next iteration and 1593 01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:38.079 what it could look like? 1594 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:42.560 Because if we're if we're going beyond, I mean, if 1595 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.680 if the Big ten had top four team last year, 1596 01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:51.600 like you're talking about, like Iowa in the playoff, nobody 1597 01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:54.680 wanted to watch Iowa play. I think Top four would 1598 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:58.560 have been like a in the SEC, it was like 1599 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:02.279 a four way tie between Mississippi and Arkansas and you know, 1600 01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.560 all these teams. So there's always gonna be somebody that's mad. 1601 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:10.720 But we are a country of addicts. We are obsessed 1602 01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:14.079 with our entertainment, and we will be mad about it, 1603 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.000 and we will watch it and then we will complain 1604 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:17.880 about it because that's what we do. And it's never 1605 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.840 been easier to watch things and complain about things. 1606 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:24.039 How much time you spent on a Reddit I don't spend. 1607 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.600 I never got into it, and my buddies were really 1608 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.640 big into it, and I was always kind of skeptical. 1609 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.720 And I don't really understand the format all that well, 1610 01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:36.119 Like you have to click the minus and the plus, 1611 01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:39.159 and I don't know, I'm not very smart when it 1612 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.319 comes to it's got to be pretty streamlined for me. 1613 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:43.159 Yeah, you strike me as a Reddit guy. I'm not 1614 01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:43.560 gonna lie. 1615 01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:45.399 Yeah, Yeah, I'm full of surprises. 1616 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:46.119 I mean I'm not. 1617 01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.479 That's not like a compliment or I'm not knocking on 1618 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:51.239 and you just strike me as somebody, And like, I 1619 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.600 don't use it much. The only time I use it 1620 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:55.560 is if I'm doing a Google search. Yeah, and a 1621 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:57.560 Reddit threat is like, oh that looks kind of interesting. 1622 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:58.479 Yeah. I'm the same way. 1623 01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.039 I don't like following any wormholes. I don't like going 1624 01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:05.640 down any wormholes. I feel like that's a dangerous, a 1625 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.159 dangerous path to follow. Then the next thing, you know, 1626 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.359 I'm gonna be talking about vaccines and transgender athletes on air. 1627 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:13.960 I don't want to go down any of those rabbit holes. 1628 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:14.439 That's just me. 1629 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.000 I don't want you to go down those rabbit holes either. 1630 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:19.920 Have you ever followed a rabbit hole to the place 1631 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:20.960 where you don't feel like you're in. 1632 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.880 A THENT anymore. No, I'm not about the dark Web. 1633 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:25.880 To spend time on the Dark Web ever, not for 1634 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.720 one second. I don't even know how to access it. 1635 01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.039 I don't either. I'm more about like watching can't hardly 1636 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:31.560 wait for the for the millionth time. 1637 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:35.560 Yeah, Or a college football expanded CFP where it's diluted 1638 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:36.319 the regular season. 1639 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.079 Yeah, you know, put on Paul finebaumbe see what he's saying. 1640 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:42.479 You know that those are my people, and that's my 1641 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.319 that's my gig. So yeah, what I do I mean, 1642 01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.920 if I could stretch a little bit, Yeah, you can stretch. 1643 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.079 From a sports socc radio standpoint, I do feel like 1644 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.680 four auto bids for each of these leagues does dilute 1645 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:54.680 the regular season, which to me is what makes college 1646 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:55.359 football special. 1647 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:59.199 Correct, the regular season will not mean anything. Conference championship 1648 01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:02.079 weekend will be gone, and frankly, I don't think that 1649 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.640 matters all that much, like it was already on its 1650 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:09.439 last legs. Anyways, do get rid of it in this iteration. 1651 01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:17.560 You'll prioritize the conference records and that's it. The Wetzel 1652 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:20.159 forty Doallinger podcast did a really good job this week 1653 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.079 diving into it, and Forty had an epic rant. I 1654 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:26.079 recommend people who know Pat Forty, who is you know, 1655 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.119 one of the luminaries in our business right of the show. Yeah, 1656 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.800 he did not mince words when talking about this potential 1657 01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:38.319 iteration coming to Fruition. They'll have to rethink things. The 1658 01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:42.119 regular season will I don't think it'll mean like non 1659 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.880 conference games will not mean a thing like other than 1660 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:50.079 bragging rights, because in this format you will primarily go 1661 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:57.119 on the basis of conference records and listen, man, would 1662 01:15:57.199 --> 01:16:01.239 people tune in to watch you play Ole Miss in 1663 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:06.560 a first round game in a theoretical playoff? Yes they were, Yeah, Yeah. 1664 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.880 Would would people tune in to watch Iowa play Miami? Yeah, 1665 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:15.319 we're talking about We're talking about schools that have significant 1666 01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:17.880 followings that are going to be involved more. And that's 1667 01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.199 that's just the bottom line. Like, we're talking about fan 1668 01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:25.000 bases that are part of cultures that are ingratiated in 1669 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:28.159 the sport at a level that you know, some other 1670 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:30.359 programs in other parts of the country frankly aren't. And 1671 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.840 I say that being a West Coast kid, being having 1672 01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:38.720 a a understanding of what the West Coast bias is 1673 01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:41.960 against us, but can't. 1674 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.640 Complain, Well, you can't deal with you can't. 1675 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.880 Okay, you can complain, but at the end of the day, 1676 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.039 you're still going to watch it, So get off your 1677 01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:50.560 high horse. 1678 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:54.079 Yeah, it's just you know, I try, I guess in 1679 01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.079 a way, trying to hold on to what makes college 1680 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:58.760 football or college football is. And maybe I need to 1681 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:00.720 go the way of my all start where it's like 1682 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:03.920 Alan Iverson is not walking through that door to try 1683 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:06.800 to hang thirty on you in the fourth quarter. Instead 1684 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:08.880 you get to see Donovan Mitchell not care about being 1685 01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.239 you know where he is, even though I think being 1686 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.000 named an NBA All Star should mean something. I think 1687 01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:15.840 that's something you should wear with pride and show up 1688 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.119 and do your job and do it to the best 1689 01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:21.359 of your abilities. But if we're I guess where I'm 1690 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:25.079 at with it is if we're simply moving step by step, 1691 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.560 slowly towards this eventuality that we all believe were moving towards. 1692 01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:31.680 Rip the band aid man like, let's just get on 1693 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.319 with it. I agree, But what do you think stopping it? 1694 01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:41.119 My guess is the ability to milk as much money 1695 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:46.800 along the way. Things don't happen, you know, massive change 1696 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:50.239 doesn't happen overnight. Like remember the BCS and how people 1697 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:52.840 were so pissed off about it. Never in a million 1698 01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.920 years did we think back then we were going to 1699 01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:57.600 see a fourteen playoff. Then we got it, and then 1700 01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:00.079 never in a million years did we think, oh, some 1701 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:01.720 other teams might have a chance to play for a 1702 01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:02.800 national championship. 1703 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:03.640 We finally got it. 1704 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:05.880 This is just the can is just going to be 1705 01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:08.960 kicked down the road, and you know, the powers that 1706 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:11.800 beer are going to make more money and eventually, to 1707 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:17.119 your point, we'll get to this you know, proposed super 1708 01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:19.680 conference whatever we're going to call it, and we're going 1709 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:21.680 to watch it, and people will be left out and 1710 01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.800 they will be sad, and the people that are in will. 1711 01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.760 Say nin or niner. 1712 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:33.960 Right, Well, yeah, look, I know you're not wrong. I understand, 1713 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:35.119 and I'm a grown up. 1714 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.439 Am I acting too much of like a fatalist like 1715 01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:38.680 you like. 1716 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:41.920 You're not wrong. But it's kind of like doing this 1717 01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.319 job every day. I can't crack the mic and be like, hey, guys, 1718 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.399 just get over it. Jazz are rebuilding, so just go 1719 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.359 over And I'm like, go home. If I could, I would. Yeah, 1720 01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:54.199 but you've got to dig into this in a way 1721 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:57.159 that isn't as reductive as you just made it, even 1722 01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:58.000 though you're not wrong. 1723 01:18:58.520 --> 01:18:59.720 So here, let me stretch. 1724 01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:00.680 Let me try this. 1725 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:03.960 We're in about the sophomore we're in the Big twelve footprint. 1726 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:07.159 If you're not in the sec in the Big ten, 1727 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:10.239 do you have reason to be concerned? Even if you're 1728 01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:11.840 a program like the university for sure. 1729 01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:16.279 Yeah, you don't have any power to wield in this scenario, 1730 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:21.800 and the two conferences that wield all the power are 1731 01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:22.760 throwing their weight around. 1732 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:23.239 I don't. 1733 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:28.479 I mean, maybe there will be a an explosion of 1734 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:32.600 talent in the Big twelve, and maybe Dion's buffs will 1735 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.279 start ten to zero, and maybe Utah will write the 1736 01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:39.279 ship and BYU Devin Dampierre and Jake Retzlov will be 1737 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:43.319 a Heisman Trophy candidate and Iowa State will pick up 1738 01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:45.359 where they left off, and so on and so forth. 1739 01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:49.039 I don't you have to they have to show it 1740 01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:53.039 to the country first, otherwise they're they just don't have 1741 01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:55.960 the clout built in that these other teams and other 1742 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:57.279 conferences do fair or not. 1743 01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:58.319 Yeah, Like. 1744 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:06.119 I understand that nobody wants to watch, you know, Minnesota 1745 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.159 have a great year and then get into the playoffs 1746 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:11.880 out here at least, and maybe some people do. But 1747 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:14.279 the reality is they're part of the They're part of 1748 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:16.520 They're part of the club, and a lot of people aren't. 1749 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:19.800 Do you think that the sport is in trouble at all? 1750 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:20.439 In any way? 1751 01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:24.119 She don't know, because at some point, whether it's the 1752 01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:27.439 NBA and the apathy or college football and the disorganization, 1753 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:31.520 the only thing that will affect change if you're not 1754 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:33.800 in the room is enough people not tuning in to 1755 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:34.760 affect their bottom line. 1756 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.560 College football to me is the most like international club soccer, though, 1757 01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:41.880 like you're talking about where people grew up, where they 1758 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:46.720 went to school, they are. You are celebrating a sport 1759 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.600 that is always going to be in lockstep with your 1760 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:54.600 perceived best years of your life, and that carves out 1761 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.000 a special place in the hearts of fans, and I 1762 01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:02.720 just don't really see that evaporating. It is funny though, 1763 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.439 like as we've talked about in the past, like when 1764 01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:09.439 that proposed super conference over in Europe was put on 1765 01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.680 the table and basically everybody, all the fans of the 1766 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.239 teams that would have been included were like this is bs, 1767 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.159 We're going to storm the field and like say like, 1768 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.039 we won't let you play games because this is unfair 1769 01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:22.520 to the little to the little guys. 1770 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.920 Yeah, here in this country, we're just like, eh see ya, 1771 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:25.520 good luck. 1772 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:27.079 We are a. 1773 01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:31.319 We are a have and have not country when it 1774 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:34.399 comes to a lot of things, but in sports especially. 1775 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:38.720 You know what, and if I'm leaning into some altruistic approach, 1776 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:42.159 I apologize. One of the reasons I've always wanted to 1777 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.159 you know, I played sports as long as I could, 1778 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:47.960 and then in my career I've done a bunch of 1779 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.600 different things all around sports and entertainment. Before I got 1780 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:52.439 into radio, I worked for the Olympics, I was with 1781 01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:54.239 Disney's wid World of Sports for a little bit, then 1782 01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:56.960 got into radio. And one of the reasons, you know, 1783 01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:00.000 I've always wanted to stay around it is it seems 1784 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:04.159 to be one of the portions of our ecosystem in 1785 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:08.000 this country. It isn't simply just run like a Fortune 1786 01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:08.880 five hundred company. 1787 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:11.199 It was, yeah, it was. It was a safe space. 1788 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:13.159 Well, and look, I grew up with VC guys. These 1789 01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:15.439 guys are sharks, okay, and I never had any interest 1790 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:17.800 to me, what does VC mean then? Sure capitalists. 1791 01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:20.600 These guys are sharks man, and I never had any 1792 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:24.479 interest of hopping on the train to go to Grand 1793 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:26.960 Central at six thirty am to work on Wall Street 1794 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:29.119 for fourteen hours a day until you got yours, and 1795 01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:32.319 then telling everybody to go bleep themselves at the age 1796 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.600 of thirty five because you bought an island. Maybe I 1797 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:37.960 should have questioned my life choice to do that. Probably 1798 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.560 well for me, man, Like I'm turning forty seven next, 1799 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:41.000 bak bro. 1800 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:42.399 So like this is the deal. 1801 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:46.159 Turn thirty nine this year, so you're still so young. Yeah, 1802 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:49.680 I have so much, so much, you know what, it's 1803 01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:50.479 not too late for you. 1804 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.279 Okay, okay, if you want to be a VC bro, 1805 01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:54.399 we're gonna have to You're gonna have to cut the hair. 1806 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:58.439 You're gonna have to wear like a suit. I'm telling you. 1807 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:00.159 I saw my eyes. 1808 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:03.720 Cool friends grind for like a decade to the point 1809 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:07.119 where I'd go visit them in Midtown, like four of them, yes, 1810 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:09.359 like four of them shacked up in this little apartment. 1811 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:11.399 You know, they all essentially have a closet of sleep in. 1812 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:14.079 But these are like yale MBA's, These are Harvard and 1813 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:18.039 these like Ivy League Brooks brother wearing me if I 1814 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:20.359 chose an alternate reality way back in the day before 1815 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.439 I chose fun over that. Sure, and they all kind 1816 01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:24.800 of said the same thing. We just know we have 1817 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.159 to do this for like eight to ten years and 1818 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:30.000 then we're good, right, And so I understand, and I'm 1819 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:34.279 a grown up about front facing revenue generating businesses. But 1820 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:38.680 like if sports has now only leaned into capitalism because 1821 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.119 Adam Silver runs the NBA like a fortune five hundred 1822 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:43.319 company in the way that David Stern didn't necessarily and 1823 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:46.439 David knew was a business, but he cared about fan 1824 01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:48.800 relations and the product and the consumer and the way 1825 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:52.439 this sport was covered. And there is this feel around 1826 01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:55.920 pro basketball that they're simply, as Jason Kidds set out 1827 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:59.119 loud two years ago, millionaires cheering for each other and 1828 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:00.640 they don't give a rip out anything else. 1829 01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:05.279 Well, you can see where they're coming from if you 1830 01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.840 look at the current landscape of even professional sporting events. 1831 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.279 Why is it now more than ever that companies have 1832 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:19.159 a stranglehold on several hundred, sometimes thousands of tickets at 1833 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:21.520 these things where it's like, hey, we have a we 1834 01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:23.840 have this suite, Well, we have this suite, we have 1835 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:25.479 that suet because they have money. They have money to 1836 01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:28.000 throw around, Whereas like if you go to a jazz game, 1837 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:31.000 there are going to be people in the upper deck 1838 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:34.000 who love the jazz, have probably cheered for the jazz 1839 01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:37.960 their whole life, and is it are they ever going 1840 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:40.319 to be presented with an opportunity to sit in a 1841 01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:44.079 catered suite with R and R barbecue or Cubbies or. 1842 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:48.680 Cafe Rio or whatever. 1843 01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.840 Cup pop Like no, man, Like we are trending that 1844 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:56.319 direction because now more than ever, a lot of rich 1845 01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:58.399 companies have a lot of money to throw around, and 1846 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.960 they're going to write it off as, oh, this is 1847 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.560 a business expense. We'll we'll take some people there and 1848 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:07.039 we'll have our suite, and we'll have our multiple suites, 1849 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:08.560 and then we'll have our floor seats and so on 1850 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:11.159 and so forth. Like next time you go to a 1851 01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:13.319 jazz game, like look who's look who's down there, and 1852 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:18.079 who's down there? Like the last fifteen years, viven't people, Uh, 1853 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.479 qual tricks people. Obviously now with Ryan Smith owning the 1854 01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:24.079 Jazz like, it's it is not hard to see where 1855 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:27.760 this thing is going and it is. I don't know, 1856 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:29.960 maybe back I mean you used to go to jazz 1857 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:31.520 games back in the day, Maybe they once again. 1858 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:33.399 I still go to jazz games. I mean like, hey, 1859 01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:34.239 he put you up to that. 1860 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.119 I'm just saying, like, does the doc exist in this 1861 01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:41.039 generation of jazz fandom? 1862 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:42.359 I don't think so. 1863 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:43.199 No. 1864 01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:44.319 It's it's look. 1865 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:48.319 It's a very depressing yet fair point trucks and Tesla's 1866 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.960 a lot of bedazzled jeans and spray straight brim hats 1867 01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:55.359 with dudes that probably should lead the straight brim's tans. 1868 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:57.399 Is there anything more awkward than seeing like a dude 1869 01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:00.720 in his mid fifties that is clearly holding on steroids 1870 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.720 and fake tanning and bedazzle jeans and really tight shirts 1871 01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:05.399 and a straight build baseball hat. 1872 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:07.000 It's like, it's like, dude, why do you want to 1873 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:07.439 look like me? 1874 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:08.640 It's really awkward. 1875 01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:10.000 It's like I don't need a spray tan, but you 1876 01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:11.560 don't need to look like me. Just look like yourself. 1877 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:16.760 Yeah, it's a bad look, but it's look, man, I 1878 01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.680 can't cover it like this. I just I can't do 1879 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:22.960 the thing where even though there's part of me that 1880 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:26.000 understands your point, and believes that you're telling the truth. 1881 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:28.760 This is supposed to be the toy. 1882 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:32.199 Isle of life, and I can't just crack a microphone 1883 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:34.079 every day and say, hey, guys, just so you know, 1884 01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:37.279 the ownership groups of the team that you love care 1885 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:40.640 about one thing, and that's creating shareholder value for their investors. 1886 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:43.039 Okay, good night, talk to you tomorrow. 1887 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:46.880 Like it can't be a We talked about Isaiah all 1888 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:50.279 your last week, Spence, we did. We covered, We covered Isaiah. 1889 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:56.159 Maybe next week we can talk about Kyle Philipowski flip 1890 01:26:56.399 --> 01:26:56.880 as we call. 1891 01:26:57.119 --> 01:26:57.359 Okay. 1892 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.880 Okay, So if you're hey, if you're a Jazz fan 1893 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:04.159 right now, if you're a football fan right now and 1894 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:07.600 you're tuned into the program, okay, and you have suddenly. 1895 01:27:07.279 --> 01:27:10.680 Become like this mffort again, acutely aware. 1896 01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:15.000 That it doesn't matter how much you love this team, 1897 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:17.399 doesn't matter how much you want to see them do well, 1898 01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.439 it doesn't matter what you invest in this team. The 1899 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:22.880 people in charge don't give a rip about you, And 1900 01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:25.279 the people running these leagues only care about one thing, 1901 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:31.000 and that's creating shareholder value for their investors. What's going 1902 01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:34.159 through your mind? If that's all that really there? Is 1903 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:37.840 there's no reason to give a rip about. 1904 01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:38.359 Any of it. 1905 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:42.039 Quite frankly, well, if you are a depressing if you 1906 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:44.680 are a Utah sports fan, meaning that if you are 1907 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:48.760 a University of Utah or BYU sports fan, be happy 1908 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:52.239 because within the last thirty years you've been able to 1909 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.319 cheer on very good teams in a multitude of sports 1910 01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:58.000 at a level that a lot of other colleges in 1911 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:01.159 this country don't ever reach. Especially level if you're a 1912 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:04.840 pro fan, if you're a fan of the Jazz or RSL, 1913 01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:09.319 You've watched your soccer team hosts hoist a title. You've 1914 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.680 watched your basketball team make the playoffs like twenty five 1915 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:16.800 out of thirty years, Like sorry, Like again, I'm going 1916 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.640 to continue to beat this drum, Like you want to 1917 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:23.039 be You want to know who's sad, Spence Charlotte Hornets fans, 1918 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:25.960 Like come on, if you have no reason to be 1919 01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:28.039 sad as a sports fan in Utah, you really don't. 1920 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.039 Well, but based off this conversation, you have no reason 1921 01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:33.760 to be happy if you're a sports fan anywhere. 1922 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:35.079 The truth is always in the middle. 1923 01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:38.920 It's so sad, I might as well start a radio 1924 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.039 show covering tech bros. Raising funds to start an app 1925 01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:43.079 in San Francisco. 1926 01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:45.760 No, what you're gonna do is you're going to turn 1927 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.000 on the concer calf match on your laptop. I'm juice 1928 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:51.199 man in thirty minutes, and You're gonna see what the 1929 01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:51.800 shape looks like. 1930 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:54.520 I'm not gonna lie. I like when RSL is playing. 1931 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:57.399 I enjoy the soccers, of course, you know, don it's great. 1932 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:01.039 It takes up so much time. We need a distraction, 1933 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:03.359 and it can be bad, and it often is bad. 1934 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.319 Sometimes it's good. Yeah, but what are we gonna do? 1935 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:06.560 Man? 1936 01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:09.159 We're almost forty and forty, Like, what are we doing? 1937 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:09.359 Oh? 1938 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:12.640 I'm close to fifty broll coming up next month. I'll 1939 01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:14.640 be much closer to fifty than i'm the forty. That's okay, 1940 01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:18.520 I'm hanging in yeah, do it all right? All right dude, Well, 1941 01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:22.520 what's your prediction for the match tonight? One to one, draw, 1942 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:26.359 bring home a point. My guy Diogo scores on a 1943 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:28.960 on a free kick, free kick. Okay, all right, what 1944 01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:30.920 do you think the what do you think the formation 1945 01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.880 will be? I read either starting eleven they have four defenders. 1946 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:38.039 Yeah, so it'll be I mean they'll go four two three. 1947 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.520 One or two three one. Yeah, yeah, because our guy 1948 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:43.199 Forrester is the only striker. Yeah, they're going to bring 1949 01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:44.560 in a striker before the start of the season. 1950 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:46.640 Well, the guy that they traded for that was going 1951 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:49.560 to be like the ideal replacement for Chicho decided he 1952 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:51.159 didn't want to come to Salt Lake and he was 1953 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:54.279 he was offended by the by the by the trades. 1954 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:57.800 Elias Manuel, Oh I did not know. 1955 01:29:58.000 --> 01:29:58.159 Yeah. 1956 01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:02.159 Tom Bogert reported today that Elias Manuel did not understand 1957 01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:06.079 the trade mechanisms within MLS and was unhappy when the 1958 01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:07.520 Red Bulls decided to trade him. 1959 01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:09.560 So translation, he didn't want to live in. 1960 01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:14.199 Utah, he said, according to a statement provided to him 1961 01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:17.359 provided to Tom by him, he has lots of respect 1962 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:22.960 for RSL, but he didn't want to be traded, right, yeah, all. 1963 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.640 Right man, Well illuminating stuff. 1964 01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:28.239 Say the sun's coming out. We're good, man, everybody's good. 1965 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:29.680 We might get fifty degrees this weekend. 1966 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.760 You Inigo golfin if there's a. 1967 01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:33.800 Spot, the ro tator cuff is ready. I can swing 1968 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:35.720 your cloth a right man. Six weeks of PT. Let's 1969 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.680 get you out this show. 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Oh, we got 1989 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.000 the voice of the youths coming up at about thirty 1990 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.239 minutes from Ride Now, Bill Riley stops by Utah basketball 1991 01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:39.479 winners of a couple of games against the Kansas teams 1992 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:41.960 over the weekend Case State and of course Rock Chalk 1993 01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:46.760 Jayhawks University of Kansas going home without leading for one 1994 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:51.359 second against either Utah oru BYU dog walked them last night, 1995 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.319 So stay tuned for that. But the Four Nations faced 1996 01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:58.560 off comes to a close tomorrow in Boston. Our next 1997 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:01.039 guest joins us on a weekly asist to Top Hockey 1998 01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:04.239 Talk NHL, Neil Smith on a Wednesday afternoon. 1999 01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:07.560 Neil, Happy Wednesday, sir, how are you very good? 2000 01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:09.760 Thanks Spence, how about you. I've had a little bit 2001 01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:13.159 of a break here from the NHL, so that's that's 2002 01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:15.479 been nice. Gut to watch the great hockey though with 2003 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:17.239 the poor nations. 2004 01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:21.359 So Neil, if memory serves, initially you were not too 2005 01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:24.279 thrilled at the prospect of what this tournament could bring us. 2006 01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:25.560 Is that is that fair to say? 2007 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:31.479 Absolutely fair? Because I just saw it as a you know, 2008 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:35.920 an NHL tournament that was sort of being positioned as 2009 01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:39.720 a national you know, somehow had national pride in it. 2010 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:42.880 But the players played so hard in this thing. I 2011 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.279 didn't expect them to play as hard as they played. 2012 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:47.560 As they were playing, I still know that it's not 2013 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:52.520 a truly country representative tournament because you have to play 2014 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:54.520 in the NHL to be able to be in the tournament. 2015 01:32:55.399 --> 01:33:00.439 And having said that, I've never seen NHL players even 2016 01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:02.920 close to this in an All Star Game, which is 2017 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.159 what this took the place of. So anything that can 2018 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.640 bring great hockey in place of the All Star Game, 2019 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:13.199 which is bad hockey, I'm all four. 2020 01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:17.520 So neil educate us a little bit on the US 2021 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:21.960 Canada rivalry in hockey. Now, for a long long time, 2022 01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:24.720 I'm going to give you the space here because I'm 2023 01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:26.720 not the expert you are, but for a long long time, 2024 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.840 it was like Canada and Russia because the US wasn't 2025 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:34.720 necessarily a hockey country that could rival those two. So 2026 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:38.000 it feels from my perspective that the juice is kind 2027 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.159 of upped over the past I should say. 2028 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.039 The last twenty years, twenty five years or so. 2029 01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:46.520 But obviously these are two teams, and two teams representing 2030 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.199 two countries that have a healthy amount of sports hate 2031 01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:52.800 for each other. So educate us, Educate us a little 2032 01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.680 bit on this rivalry and why it's so intense. 2033 01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.840 Well, Spence, it actually took. It actually started forty five 2034 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.920 years ago when the nineteen eighty Miracle team won the 2035 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:08.600 gold medal at Lake Placid, the American team, and that 2036 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:12.680 inspired a lot of young Americans to want to play hockey. 2037 01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:18.560 And then along came in the eighties. After that, Wayne 2038 01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:22.000 Gretzky gets traded to the La Kings from Edmonton, and 2039 01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:27.000 all of a sudden, La now has a superstar, generational, 2040 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.840 unbelievable talent like Wayne Gretzky and all the celebrities, and 2041 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:33.399 everybody wants to go and start going to the La 2042 01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:38.000 form and seeing the La Kings play. And then you know, 2043 01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:42.479 along comes Disney who puts a team in Anaheim. And 2044 01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:45.079 then along, you know, there's a team that gets put 2045 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.880 in San Jose by the Guns. They put that team 2046 01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:50.960 and they started off in the Cow Palace in San 2047 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:55.920 Francisco and then went up to San Jose. So hockey 2048 01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:59.680 was moving into non traditional places. A little while later, Phoenix, 2049 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:02.319 as you and I wouldn't be talking right now had 2050 01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:06.439 there not been a Phoenix Coyotes. And then you know 2051 01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:11.239 there were other non traditional markets Florida suddenly came in. 2052 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:14.479 Tampa came in at the time that Ottawa got back 2053 01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:16.680 in the league, Florida came in when Anaheim came in. 2054 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:21.479 So you had these outposts of non traditional hockey. Because 2055 01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:25.720 in the United States, the hockey players were coming in 2056 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:34.720 the seventies primarily from Boston, New England area, and from Minnesota, 2057 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:38.039 maybe a little bit of Michigan, but that was about it. 2058 01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:41.199 And there was never a hockey player come out of 2059 01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:49.359 Texas or Nevada, or California or even Long Island. And 2060 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:53.720 it's been this growth of the NHL and hockey in 2061 01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:57.520 general and the exposure that the NHL's got into so 2062 01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:01.279 many different places that I think has inspired young athletes 2063 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:04.279 to want to become hockey players. And that's what they've done. 2064 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:08.720 So what am I saying about Canada, Well, Canada has 2065 01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:12.159 basically stayed the same. They've been hockey crazy throughout the 2066 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.000 country the whole time. It has not waned, it has 2067 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:17.920 not gone up, it has stayed the same. How many 2068 01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:23.039 people live in Canada about thirty five million. How many 2069 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:25.760 people live in the States three hundred and thirty million. 2070 01:36:26.279 --> 01:36:29.399 So if you start to get the United States passionate 2071 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:33.880 about hockey. It won't be long before the United States 2072 01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:36.800 is going to catch up to a country that's a 2073 01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:40.880 tenth of its size in production of hockey players. And 2074 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:44.520 I really believe that's what's happened. They've caught up. They're 2075 01:36:44.640 --> 01:36:50.159 producing a volume of of really talented hockey players that 2076 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:54.560 matches Canada. So the supremacy that Canada used to have 2077 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:58.680 because it was every kid playing on a rink in 2078 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:04.960 the winter, is now competed. Is very competitive by the 2079 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:08.000 United States, who has even though they don't have the 2080 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:14.199 percentage of young athletes picking hockey, just the smaller percentage 2081 01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:20.039 of American young athletes picking hockey probably equals what they 2082 01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:23.600 have in Canada. So this is why the rivalry has 2083 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:27.039 gotten and gotten more intense. It was for a long 2084 01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:30.039 time that Canada would always beat the United States, and 2085 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:35.640 then in the nineties in the World Cup in nineteen 2086 01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:40.239 ninety six, United States won that against Canada, and that 2087 01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:44.600 was quite a thing for the United States, again inspiring 2088 01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:47.560 young people to play, showing that they can be competitive 2089 01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:51.720 and beat Canada. And then it's just grown from there. 2090 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:57.039 So that's the rivalry. Then you've got the just the 2091 01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:01.640 natural North American rivalry of the of Canada and the 2092 01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:07.439 United States. You know, Canada is the little guy looking 2093 01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:10.840 at the big you know, the elephant down below saying, 2094 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:14.960 you know the look, this is the superpower of the world. 2095 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:17.960 Then you know, the number one richest nation in the world. 2096 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:21.840 Canada is pretty well off. But you know, Canada is 2097 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:25.479 dwarfed by the United States, of course, and there is 2098 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.720 a rivalry there. Everybody speaks the same language, everybody. They've 2099 01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:31.239 got a common border that's not hard to get across 2100 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:34.520 if to go and play sports against each other. And 2101 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:38.520 I think it's natural that, you know, Americans want to 2102 01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:41.640 be Canadians, and Canadians really want to beat Americans because 2103 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:44.880 they want to have one thing that they're better than 2104 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:49.279 the United States. So that's that's a long way of 2105 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:54.439 giving you the history of it and where it is today. 2106 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:58.039 You know, we had a pretty unique experience out this 2107 01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:01.000 way in two thousand and two with the Winter Olympic 2108 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.960 Games being held in Salt Lake, and I can remember 2109 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:07.520 watching the Canada US gold medal game. Canada won that 2110 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:10.199 one five to two, and so I think a lot 2111 01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:11.640 of people out this way got a little bit of 2112 01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:13.159 a taste of that rivalry. 2113 01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:15.199 But does it feel now? 2114 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:17.479 And maybe I'm being a prisoner of the moment, because 2115 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:20.960 I've gotta say, Neil, I was pretty excited to watch 2116 01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:24.520 US Canada on Saturday night. I did not think I 2117 01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:26.640 was going to watch a game that had three fights 2118 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:30.079 in the first nine seconds. And I did not think 2119 01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:31.960 I was going to be watching a game that would 2120 01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:35.000 lead to the Americans winning on Canadian soil in Montreal. 2121 01:39:35.800 --> 01:39:37.319 And so I'm not trying to be a prisoner of 2122 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:37.800 the moment. 2123 01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:41.319 But does it feel like this current iteration has taken 2124 01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:44.119 another level of intensity or was that just a moment 2125 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:45.359 in time on Saturday night. 2126 01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:47.840 No, I don't think it was a moment in time 2127 01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:48.680 on Saturday night. 2128 01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:49.399 I don't at all. 2129 01:39:50.399 --> 01:39:53.159 I think that there's I don't like those fights at 2130 01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:55.520 the beginning of the game because two of them with 2131 01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:58.520 the Kchuck brothers were stage fights. And what I mean 2132 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:02.680 by that is reason for them. There's no anger, nobody 2133 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:05.479 had done anything, and all of a sudden, you know, 2134 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.399 these four guys all decided they're going to fight. The 2135 01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:14.520 other fight between JT. Miller and Peraco, that was some 2136 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.079 pushing and shoving and some you know, some things were 2137 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:21.319 said and some and some some back and forth that 2138 01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:24.319 led to that one, so that one, you know, I'm 2139 01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:27.840 okay with. I don't think it's a moment in time. 2140 01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:28.600 I think that. 2141 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:34.439 The United States is very competitive with Canada, and I 2142 01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:38.520 don't think that the United States has taken over Canada yet. 2143 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:44.039 And I don't think no matter who wins tomorrow night, 2144 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:47.920 that that necessarily means that, you know, if Canada wins, 2145 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:50.079 in Canada is still the powerhouse of the world. And 2146 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:52.680 if United States wins, well, there's got to be a 2147 01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:55.000 passing of the torch. I don't I don't believe that. 2148 01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:58.199 I think we're in a time right now, in twenty 2149 01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:01.800 twenty five, you know, and let's say twenty twenty to 2150 01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:07.079 twenty thirty, that these teams are really closely balanced. They're 2151 01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:09.720 close to each other, the countries are close in being 2152 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:13.880 able to put out competitive teams. I do think they'll 2153 01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:16.720 come a day. And don't forget I'm born Canadian, that 2154 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:22.199 the United States will be able to have a stronger 2155 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:27.880 production of star players than Canada, simply based upon the 2156 01:41:28.039 --> 01:41:32.000 fact that the population is so much bigger and so 2157 01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:34.359 many more kids are going to be interested in playing. 2158 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:38.199 So I want to follow up on something you referenced, 2159 01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:42.239 and you did explain why you called these fights staged. 2160 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:46.960 But this kind of took another level as Matthew Kachak 2161 01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:50.239 and Brandon Hagell, who fought I believe that was the 2162 01:41:50.439 --> 01:41:53.760 first fight of the Knights, have kind of exchanged barbs 2163 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.319 back and forth over the past couple of days, and 2164 01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:00.680 Hagel said it was quote done. What he did as 2165 01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:03.279 far as the fight goes, was for the flag and 2166 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:07.319 not the cameras. And then he continued to said, quote 2167 01:42:07.359 --> 01:42:09.520 we don't need to initiate anything. We don't have any 2168 01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:11.840 group chats going on what's going on out there, playing 2169 01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:14.560 our game and giving it everything and doing it for 2170 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:17.279 our country. We just want to play as hard as 2171 01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:19.159 we can and do it for the flag on the chest. 2172 01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:22.800 This is clearly a shot at what you said, right, 2173 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:25.560 He's clearly taking a shot at the Kachuck brothers and JT. 2174 01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:29.319 Miller for pre planning these fights. Tell me, is it 2175 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:31.720 like an unwritten rule? Is it a code in hockey 2176 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:33.680 where that's just not the way you go about your 2177 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:35.560 business of pre planning these fights. 2178 01:42:37.920 --> 01:42:40.119 No, I don't want to say that. I mean, this 2179 01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:43.359 does happen when you know, somebody wants to send a 2180 01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:45.840 message right away that you know what, We're not going 2181 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.159 to back down from you guys. And I think the 2182 01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:53.039 Kachucks were the ones that instigated those I may be wrong. 2183 01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:55.000 I wasn't on the ice. I didn't hear the language 2184 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:58.640 going back and forth. What's really amazing about those two things, 2185 01:42:58.680 --> 01:43:00.479 if you think about it, is, first of all, it's 2186 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:04.479 Matthew Kittchuck and Hegel. Hegel plays for Campa Bay Lightning, 2187 01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:07.800 Matthew plays for Florida Panthers. There's a little bit of 2188 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:11.600 a rivalry right there. And then you get Brady Kitchuck, 2189 01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:14.960 who's the captain of the Ottawa Senators ninety miles from 2190 01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:19.720 where that building he was in in Montreal, and the 2191 01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:24.039 rival of the Montreal Canadians, and he fights his brother's teammate, 2192 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:28.000 Sam Bennett, like I'm sure Sam Bennett and Matthew Kitchuck 2193 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:30.600 are friends, and Brady called him on. So there was 2194 01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:35.279 an irony in those two things. But it happens more 2195 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:39.039 in playoffs than in anything. When the playoff intensity comes, 2196 01:43:40.439 --> 01:43:44.880 sometimes you'll see real good players just say, you know, 2197 01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:47.880 call on one of the real good players on the 2198 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:50.479 other team. I remember it happening with kloe Eru and 2199 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:54.680 Sydney Crosby when Philadelphia and Pittsburgh played in the playoffs. 2200 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:58.359 And you know, you can go back to two thousand 2201 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:02.479 and five when the two captains of the Calgary Flames 2202 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:05.760 and the Tampa Bay Lightning were in the final and 2203 01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:12.199 it was like Vincent Lecavalier from Tampa and Jerome mcginla 2204 01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:15.640 from the Calgary Flames. They got they had a go 2205 01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:20.399 right in the final. And so this will happen from 2206 01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:25.880 time to time. But you know, and it's it's these 2207 01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:29.359 are young guys that are that got tons of testosterone 2208 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:32.239 and that's going ten, you know, one thousand miles an 2209 01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:35.239 hour inside of them, and it just shows though how 2210 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:36.279 badly they want to win. 2211 01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.119 You got to help me understand what the hell J T. 2212 01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:41.000 Miller was thinking. 2213 01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:44.239 I mean, the cold and Paraco kid who he went 2214 01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:46.640 at was like twice his size. I mean, a lot 2215 01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:49.119 of the attention has been on the Kuchuk brothers and 2216 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:52.159 what they did. But it was a little ty domish, 2217 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:55.000 wasn't it. It looked like that was a big time mismatch. 2218 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:58.560 Neil, Well, it did, but that's JT. Miller. He's a 2219 01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:01.560 bit of a pit bull. You know, he's he's I 2220 01:45:01.640 --> 01:45:03.880 think he was trying to prove something right there that 2221 01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:06.760 he's you know, he's in there for the fight and 2222 01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:09.520 he'll take on a big guy. Colton Parako isn't really 2223 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.720 a fighter, you know. He's a big man and a 2224 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.680 good player. Obviously wouldn't be on Team Canada if he wasn't. 2225 01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:20.640 But he's not really what you would call a fighter. 2226 01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:25.079 But he's not. He's not a woos either, So I mean, yes, 2227 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.319 j T. Miller was taken on a big dog and 2228 01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:31.680 it was a mismatch, but I think he had some 2229 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:34.479 He was trying to prove something for his team as well. 2230 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:39.279 So look, it's easy to draw a straight line between 2231 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:41.199 the three fights and that three to one win. 2232 01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:43.680 Is that a real thing? 2233 01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:46.319 Do you think the US was motivated with the actions 2234 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:49.560 of the Kachuck brothers and JT? And did that give 2235 01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:51.720 them enough Jews to go on and win. Can we 2236 01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:54.960 be that reductive that it actually did make a tangible difference? 2237 01:45:56.880 --> 01:45:59.600 I don't know that those things really at the end 2238 01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.600 of the day, you can point to them and say 2239 01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:06.520 that they had a you know, a part of why 2240 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:10.439 the Americans won. Let's go through the game, and remember 2241 01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:15.159 that Connor McDavid scored an unbelievable goal to make it 2242 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:19.479 one nothing, and so Canada was up one nothing. The 2243 01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:22.079 United States tied it, and then I believe it was 2244 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:26.680 the second goal. That was a bad goal on Jordan Bennington, 2245 01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:29.319 and he threw his head back and looked up at 2246 01:46:29.359 --> 01:46:31.560 the ceiling when he saw that that had squeaked through. 2247 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:35.119 So that was a bad goal. Connor Hellibuck, you don't 2248 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.760 get bad goals on him. He the goal that was 2249 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:39.520 scored on him was scored on him by the best 2250 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:42.520 player in the league, flying at him at about thirty 2251 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:47.439 miles an hour. So you know what I said it, 2252 01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:50.479 and I'll say it again about the game tomorrow night. 2253 01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:52.960 The US has some injuries that's going to play a 2254 01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:56.399 part in it, but the number one thing is Canada 2255 01:46:56.520 --> 01:46:59.800 has to figure out a way to beat Connor Hellibuk 2256 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:02.199 is the best goalie in the world right now. And 2257 01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:05.960 isn't it ironic too though, that Connor Hellibuck, who is 2258 01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:11.479 an American, is a goaltender of the Winnipeg Jets. There 2259 01:47:11.560 --> 01:47:14.399 he is all season long playing in Canada and now 2260 01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:17.079 doing everything he can tomorrow night to break the hearts 2261 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:19.760 of all the Canadians. I just find it ironic. 2262 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:25.399 So Charlie McAvoy, he's out for Team USA and he 2263 01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:27.760 put a hit on was it McDade? 2264 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:28.079 Who did he? 2265 01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:29.640 I think he hit Connor McDavid. 2266 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:31.720 Yeah, yes, yes, that's right. 2267 01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:35.079 And I wanted to ask you because Connor McDavid potentially 2268 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:36.239 the best hockey player in the world. 2269 01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:37.600 Maybe not potentially, maybe he is. 2270 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:42.439 And I feel like, once upon a time, maybe I'm misremembering, 2271 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:46.000 there are like unwritten rules about putting massive hits on 2272 01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:49.840 some of these skilled players that are big time stars, 2273 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.119 Like no one ever hit Gretzky right from what I 2274 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:55.680 can recall, like he was protected. Was that bad form 2275 01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:59.680 of McAvoy to put that hit on McDavid, No, not at. 2276 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.239 All, And I think that that's another one of the 2277 01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:05.199 things that inspired his team. I think that was a 2278 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:08.439 great hit. And I what I'm really happy about from 2279 01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:13.600 my just my little perch, is that the Canadians didn't 2280 01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:16.640 go after McAvoy and try to fight him because he 2281 01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:18.680 laid out a good hit. So many times in the 2282 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:20.960 NHL you'll see a really good hit, and I'll bet 2283 01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:23.359 if Sergacheff comes up with good ones from that time 2284 01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:25.640 to time, and then all of a sudden he's got 2285 01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:27.359 to fight some guy from the other team and it 2286 01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:30.119 was a clean hit. It just happened to be the 2287 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:33.199 guy had his head down or whatever I was. I 2288 01:48:33.279 --> 01:48:37.159 thought that was exciting to see Charlie McAvoy hit Connor 2289 01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:39.560 McDavid in that way. I don't think I've ever seen 2290 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:41.600 him hit like that. But he's a big guy. He 2291 01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:45.319 can take it. Wayne in his day he wasn't a 2292 01:48:45.399 --> 01:48:48.439 small man, but he was small compared to the size 2293 01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:52.119 of the league. And so everybody said to the other team, 2294 01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:55.159 if you come near him, you're going to pay. So, 2295 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:58.439 you know, it was an unwritten thing, like you better 2296 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.680 be ready if you're going to try to hit ninety nine. 2297 01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:04.800 How much of this I don't know. 2298 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:06.800 We don't do a lot of politics on the show 2299 01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:10.520 for obvious reasons, but there is this kind of undercurrent of, 2300 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:14.520 you know, the comments made by Donald Trump fifty first state, 2301 01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:17.880 all that stuff, and then the Canadians boo our national anthem, 2302 01:49:18.479 --> 01:49:20.279 and then a lot of people drawn a line between 2303 01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:23.199 the booing of the national anthem and the decision making 2304 01:49:23.720 --> 01:49:26.600 of the US team to fight from the drop of 2305 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:29.159 the of the or even before like things got going. 2306 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:31.680 How much of that do you buy into? Do you 2307 01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:32.800 believe it's it's real? 2308 01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:36.279 As far as the passion that appears to be permeating 2309 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:37.520 between these two teams. 2310 01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:42.960 Well, I'm not very proud of my fellow Canadians booing 2311 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:46.319 the American national anthem for any reason at any time. 2312 01:49:48.439 --> 01:49:50.960 United States and Canada are best of friends. They'll be 2313 01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:55.600 best of friends before this current administration, and they'll be 2314 01:49:55.680 --> 01:50:00.039 best of friends after this current administration. And I I 2315 01:50:00.119 --> 01:50:04.000 don't think that that that's the way you do things. 2316 01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:07.840 But you're in a hockey arena. Fans can say whatever 2317 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:13.000 they want, they can do whatever they want. And you know, 2318 01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:15.920 but but I I I don't. I don't agree with 2319 01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:18.960 it doesn't motivate the American players. I'll bet it does, 2320 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:22.439 because you know, it's fun to be in a in 2321 01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:27.239 a in a building where it's seething and you win 2322 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:29.399 the game or you can, you might be able to 2323 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:36.239 beat their their team. It's it's fun. So I think 2324 01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:37.319 it inspired people. 2325 01:50:37.479 --> 01:50:38.279 I don't. I don't. 2326 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:42.880 Again, I'm repeating myself, but I don't like that kind 2327 01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:47.039 of thing because the Americans have always been there for 2328 01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:49.399 the Canadians. And the Canadians have always been there for 2329 01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:51.319 the Americans when it comes right down to it, when 2330 01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:56.079 it comes to important stuff other than sports, We've always 2331 01:50:56.119 --> 01:50:57.520 been the best of friends. And so. 2332 01:50:59.000 --> 01:50:59.960 I didn't I didn't like. 2333 01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:07.119 So Montreal a century if not more of hockey history, 2334 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:09.800 and I was not in the building, of course, but 2335 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:13.800 holy smokes, did that environment look electric? What sort of 2336 01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:17.520 environment do you think Boston a great domestic hockey city, 2337 01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:19.560 but certainly not with the history of Montreal, is going 2338 01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:21.920 to bring coming up Tomorrow night? I mean, Neil, there 2339 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:27.199 are reports that current NHL players have reached out to 2340 01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:29.560 try to get tickets and people are like sorry, like 2341 01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:33.000 we're sold out, there are no coms available. What sort 2342 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:34.880 of atmosphere do you think we're in for tomorrow night 2343 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:35.359 in Boston? 2344 01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:39.239 I think you're in for an electric atmosphere. I don't 2345 01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:41.840 think it'll and I may be wrong. So this is 2346 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:44.520 just I don't think it's not going to be I 2347 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:48.159 don't think it will be as passionate as Montreal, because 2348 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:51.920 I don't think that you have the passion for a 2349 01:51:52.119 --> 01:51:56.239 US hockey team like you have for a Canadian for 2350 01:51:56.399 --> 01:52:00.840 the team Canada. In Montreal, I think you have a 2351 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:05.640 very passionate Boston crowd for the Boston Bruins. But I 2352 01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:07.680 think you're going to have a lot of Canadian fans 2353 01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:10.800 sneak into that building, meaning that they bought tickets through somebody, 2354 01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:13.039 I mean, and they got in there and they're going 2355 01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:16.720 to be cheering for the Canadian team. But it will 2356 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:20.760 be electric. It will definitely be a pro US side 2357 01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:25.720 for sure, probably not as pro US as the Bell 2358 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:29.279 Center was pro Canadian. But I mean, I'm really looking 2359 01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:31.920 forward to the game tomorrow night. And I'm a guy, 2360 01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:34.800 like you said, and I admit it, didn't think this 2361 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:38.319 would be the greatest of all little tournaments here, but 2362 01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:40.800 it's turned out to be one of the best ones 2363 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:41.560 I've ever seen. 2364 01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:44.920 All Right, Neil, before I set you loose, what are 2365 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:46.880 we in for tomorrow? How do you think it goes down? 2366 01:52:48.439 --> 01:52:53.640 Well, it's going to be close, And that's sort of 2367 01:52:54.159 --> 01:52:57.399 a bailing out by saying that I think Canada is 2368 01:52:57.479 --> 01:52:59.600 going to be able to do it, just because of 2369 01:52:59.720 --> 01:53:02.720 the injuries the United States has and because of the 2370 01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:07.720 power play that the Canadians have. But again, it's going 2371 01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:10.479 to be close, and it sure could go the other 2372 01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.279 way for sure. It's just I mean, it's just going 2373 01:53:13.319 --> 01:53:15.479 to be a great hockey game, and I'm not I 2374 01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.800 have no dog in the fight. I've been living in 2375 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:20.479 the United States far longer than I lived in Canada, 2376 01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:23.960 so i don't have a dog in this fight, meaning 2377 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:26.479 I'm not cheering for either side. I'm just looking at 2378 01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:28.680 it as an observer, as somebody who's trying to get 2379 01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:30.880 it right so that I can come on a show 2380 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:34.800 like this and be right. But that's all I'm looking for. 2381 01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:37.800 Well, it's always great to get your perspective as somebody 2382 01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:40.279 who's steeped in the hockey history of both countries. 2383 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:41.760 I can't wait for it. I think it's going to 2384 01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:43.520 be exciting and I'm excited to break it down with 2385 01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:46.800 you next week. Enjoy the game the old chat soon Okay, yeah, 2386 01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:48.279 thanks for having me, all right. 2387 01:53:48.279 --> 01:53:50.640 The great Neil Smith, former general manager of the Rangers 2388 01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:53.960 and the Islanders, Canadian born and now lives here in 2389 01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.119 the United States. We have the Four Nations face off 2390 01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.359 for you guys tomorrow night on the station. By the way, 2391 01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:02.720 follows the Craig Smith Coaches Show, which follows our show, 2392 01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:05.880 which ends at six o'clock. Hey, random, start to the 2393 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:08.960 interview if my memory serves you had a couple of 2394 01:54:09.359 --> 01:54:12.920 situations where you called soccer games in Central America where 2395 01:54:12.960 --> 01:54:14.880 maybe things were a slight dicey. 2396 01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:19.359 Is that fair to say, Brian Dunsith and I had 2397 01:54:19.439 --> 01:54:23.000 one really dicey night in Costa Rica at Saprisa. 2398 01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:26.520 Yes, any details you'd like to share, because I can 2399 01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:29.680 remember Dunny basically saying like he had to tell you, like, 2400 01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:31.880 we're just walking straight to the press box and we're 2401 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:32.680 not going to say anything. 2402 01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:37.359 Yeah, we were in the press box at Saprisa in 2403 01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:42.119 Champions League and it was a wide open press box, 2404 01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:44.560 like there was no security. It was like going to 2405 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:48.359 like Skyline High School or something, and we're up there 2406 01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:51.880 doing the game and there's like six guys that are 2407 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:55.720 like twenty rows below us in Luchadore masks that are 2408 01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:59.880 huge Saprisa fans. And every time something good for Reales 2409 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.239 salt Lake would happen and I called a gold or something, 2410 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:05.800 they would turn around and start screaming and yelling stuff 2411 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:08.479 at us in Spanish. I don't speak any Spanish, Dunny does. 2412 01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:10.680 And I would look at Dunny and he'd kind of 2413 01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:12.720 make a face and he'd be like, that's not good. 2414 01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:16.760 And so when the match ended and ray Al salt 2415 01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:19.760 Lake advanced and it was a two two tie, I think, 2416 01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:22.720 and they advanced Soprisse. The fans were not happy, nor 2417 01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:25.880 were these six guys in the loose doory masks. And 2418 01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:29.840 we're doing postgame and they're not leaving. They're like standing 2419 01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:33.560 there ten twenty rows below us, just looking up at 2420 01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:37.920 us because it's an open press box and we're still 2421 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:41.079 going and we're and they have not left, and I'm 2422 01:55:41.119 --> 01:55:43.640 looking at Dunny and we have to walk down through 2423 01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:46.119 the stands to get to the bus. There's not like 2424 01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:49.920 an elevator or any of that stuff. And finally the 2425 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:52.800 security clears them out, but they're like standing at the 2426 01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:56.279 portal inside the stadium kind of peeking up at us. 2427 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:58.920 And we get off the air and I'm looking at 2428 01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:02.119 Dunny and I'm going, what are we going to do here? 2429 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:05.279 He's like, we're gonna tear this stuff down and we 2430 01:56:05.399 --> 01:56:08.640 are going to sprint across the field to the bus, 2431 01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:12.840 and that's what we did, and luckily those guys were 2432 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:15.960 nowhere to be found, but they were making comments in 2433 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:20.079 Spanish that were apparently not great for Dunny, and I well. 2434 01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:21.880 I'm glad you made a home safe. I'm glad it 2435 01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:22.600 all worked out. 2436 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.359 I knew there was some sort of hairy situation I 2437 01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:27.640 talked to you or Dunny about back in the day. Obviously, 2438 01:56:27.760 --> 01:56:31.079 ourselves starting their cocky cap journey today. But we'll move 2439 01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:34.079 over now to some college basketball where don't look. Now, 2440 01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:37.239 if Craig Smith and the Utah Utes can win three 2441 01:56:37.239 --> 01:56:40.039 of their final five games, we have a ten win 2442 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:44.039 Big Twelve Conference basketball team, which is something I didn't 2443 01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:45.079 think we'd be able to say. 2444 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:46.880 Now, we'll get to the end in a moment. 2445 01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:49.319 But let's look back on a weekend where I said 2446 01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:51.279 last week it feels like a split would be a 2447 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:54.920 win because Kansas State, prior to going to BYU had 2448 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:57.560 one six straight. They turned it around and look your 2449 01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:01.760 rock Chalk Jayhawks, the tremendous amount of talent on paper. 2450 01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:04.720 But Bill, I've got to say, man, I've watched every. 2451 01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:07.520 Moment of the Utah Kansas game, in the UYU Kansas game, 2452 01:57:07.560 --> 01:57:10.359 I am extremely unimpressed with Bill self's team, which is 2453 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:13.560 something I never thought i'd say. But give me your thoughts. 2454 01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:16.640 You can either go both games one game individually. On 2455 01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:19.479 the two wins Utah hoops had over the teams from 2456 01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:20.960 from your home state, Kansas. 2457 01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:25.079 Well, you're right about Kansas their disappointments. They're a collection 2458 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:28.239 of good individual players that are not a team. And 2459 01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:31.560 that's very much unlike Bill self teams. But that's maybe 2460 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:33.359 the era we live in now with the nil But 2461 01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:37.039 to Utah, we'll start first with the Kansas game to 2462 01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:39.479 this point in the season. To that point, that was 2463 01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:43.279 the most dialed in I had seen Utah play, I mean, 2464 01:57:43.399 --> 01:57:47.600 locked into the game plan, played very well. Kansas never 2465 01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:50.399 led in that game. Spance Utah led wire to wire. 2466 01:57:50.399 --> 01:57:53.680 There were a couple of ties, but the Kansas never 2467 01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:56.439 had the lead. Utah began the game well, had a 2468 01:57:56.439 --> 01:57:58.560 little bit of a drought in the middle there, but 2469 01:57:58.720 --> 01:58:01.159 then closed the second half out well, they just they 2470 01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:04.520 played really well. They rebounded well and didn't turn it 2471 01:58:04.600 --> 01:58:08.119 over at a high rate, and it was it was fantastic. 2472 01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:10.920 They were dialed in, played excellent, gave matts and shot 2473 01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:13.439 the heck out of the basketball and it was it 2474 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.840 was great. And then the Kansas State game. They've got 2475 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:18.079 a couple of dudes as well. They've got Doug McDaniel, 2476 01:58:18.119 --> 01:58:22.079 the kid from Michigan, and obviously the kid from Illinois 2477 01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:24.359 that transferred in Coleman Hawkins. They spent a bunch of 2478 01:58:24.399 --> 01:58:27.600 the offseason on nil. Utah played a good game there too, 2479 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:30.199 again didn't turn it over at a high rate, rebounded 2480 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:32.760 when they had to, and more portly spence. You know, 2481 01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:35.439 they played really well the weekend before at both Cincinnati 2482 01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:38.319 West Virginia until about the last three three and a 2483 01:58:38.359 --> 01:58:41.479 half minutes of the game, and they didn't make plays, 2484 01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:45.000 and those two teams did well. In the Kansas and 2485 01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:49.159 in the Kansas State game, Utah played well throughout and 2486 01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:51.840 then in the final couple of minutes they made winning 2487 01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:55.039 plays and Kansas and Kansas State didn't. So I think 2488 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:58.159 it's taken them a minute to get here. You know, 2489 01:58:58.279 --> 01:59:00.680 they've kind of figured out what it takes to play 2490 01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:04.159 in the Big Twelve from an intensity and physicality level. 2491 01:59:04.760 --> 01:59:07.119 But I think they're in a good spot right now. 2492 01:59:07.239 --> 01:59:09.600 Fifteen and eleven, seven and eight in the Big Twelve. 2493 01:59:09.680 --> 01:59:13.239 I mean, again, not great yet, but seven and eight 2494 01:59:13.439 --> 01:59:16.119 with some winnable games left. Remember, they were picked sixteenth 2495 01:59:16.159 --> 01:59:19.880 in the preseason. Not the preseason polls mean anything, but 2496 01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:23.000 they were and I thought they'd outperform that ranking, But 2497 01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:25.119 right now I think they're in a pretty good place. 2498 01:59:25.640 --> 01:59:28.319 How have the crowd's been up in the Huntsman Center? 2499 01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:31.520 Last home game I was at was BYU. But you know, 2500 01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:33.720 when you're able to get some wins and you're able 2501 01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:36.560 to get a little momentum, maybe more people will start 2502 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:40.119 paying attention. So the atmosphere both Kansas and Case State, 2503 01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:41.199 what was it like in the building? 2504 01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:44.640 Well, Kansas was good. I mean it wasn't sold out 2505 01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:48.560 like BYU, but it was probably twelve thousand. A lot 2506 01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:52.079 of Kansas fans they travel well now Kansas Kentucky schools 2507 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.079 like that. They you know, you can't get tickets at 2508 01:59:54.079 --> 01:59:56.479 home games, so you travel. So there was a fair 2509 01:59:56.520 --> 02:00:00.520 amount of Kansas fans. But the atmosphere was great. And 2510 02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:03.279 then for Monday night it wasn't bad. You know, again 2511 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:06.640 to Monday night it's in Utah. I would say I 2512 02:00:06.680 --> 02:00:08.800 think there were about twelve and a half on Saturday, 2513 02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:12.159 probably just under ten on Monday. So the crowds are good. 2514 02:00:12.560 --> 02:00:14.479 They're not where they need to be yet, but they're 2515 02:00:14.520 --> 02:00:16.279 getting better and better. And you know, when you start 2516 02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:19.479 winning basketball games and you're winning against good programs, people 2517 02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:21.880 come out to those games. So I'd say the atmosphere 2518 02:00:21.920 --> 02:00:23.199 has been better in the last couple of weeks. 2519 02:00:23.680 --> 02:00:26.319 So are we getting a little bit closer? And maybe 2520 02:00:26.359 --> 02:00:28.399 it just depends on the night, but there's only a 2521 02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:30.760 handful of games left. It does feel like Craig has 2522 02:00:30.840 --> 02:00:34.319 landed on his preferred starting five, and all five of 2523 02:00:34.359 --> 02:00:37.279 those players against Kansas played at least twenty nine minutes. 2524 02:00:37.359 --> 02:00:39.800 I mean as we're played twenty nine. Well, Lawston played 2525 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:42.960 twenty five, but Lowton obviously needed to be saved a 2526 02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:44.880 little bit because he matched up so well with Hunter 2527 02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:47.840 Dickinson like Utah matches up well with Kansas. There's no doubt, 2528 02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:52.039 but your thoughts on kind of this ever evolving organism 2529 02:00:52.119 --> 02:00:55.479 that is the rotation for Craig and this Utah team. 2530 02:00:55.520 --> 02:00:57.439 Are we close to kind of landing on his preferred 2531 02:00:57.479 --> 02:00:58.239 guys at this point? 2532 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:03.199 I think, you know, he's got his starting five. He's 2533 02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:05.800 still inconsistent at point guard. And he said that the 2534 02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:07.960 other night in the post game show. You know, some 2535 02:01:08.199 --> 02:01:11.359 nights Sharp Johnson Little show up together. Some night they 2536 02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:13.520 neither one of them show up. Some nights they'll show 2537 02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:16.720 what one will show one won't. I think he's got 2538 02:01:16.840 --> 02:01:21.000 the other guys pretty dialed in. Gabe Wallean's given them 2539 02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:23.279 great minutes. Cana Dawes has given them great minutes. 2540 02:01:24.159 --> 02:01:24.319 You know. 2541 02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:26.880 Loss and Lovering made some free throws the other night, 2542 02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:29.520 which was great. He's given them good minutes too. If 2543 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:31.199 they could get just a little bit more out of 2544 02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:33.960 their point guard spot Spence, I think they'd feel pretty good. 2545 02:01:33.960 --> 02:01:37.079 He's still playing depending on the game, nine or ten guys, 2546 02:01:37.720 --> 02:01:40.319 but I think he's got probably his top five or 2547 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:43.359 seven kind of locked into place right now, and it's 2548 02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:45.319 just kind of what are you getting on a given 2549 02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:46.359 night at the point guard spot? 2550 02:01:46.399 --> 02:01:46.640 Right now? 2551 02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:50.159 Five games left, which is wild, but March is right 2552 02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:50.840 around the corner. 2553 02:01:50.920 --> 02:01:51.079 Now. 2554 02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:53.239 If they get three of the final five, they win 2555 02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:55.720 ten conference games. I did not think they would scratch 2556 02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:59.119 double digits. What's your confidence level? Did this team get 2557 02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:00.479 three of the final five? Have to get to that 2558 02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:02.520 ten win mark in Big twelve play year one? 2559 02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:07.399 You know, I think it's possible. Now three of those 2560 02:02:07.479 --> 02:02:09.720 five are on the road, so you've got to You've 2561 02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:11.680 got to go to UCF. That's a winnable game. U 2562 02:02:11.720 --> 02:02:13.760 CEF's got a lot of great offense, but they're you know, 2563 02:02:13.880 --> 02:02:17.479 right now they're four and eleven uh Arizona, where Utah 2564 02:02:17.600 --> 02:02:20.359 hasn't won in the Pac twelve now Big twelve era, 2565 02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:23.439 so that that'll be tough ASU at home, very winnable game. 2566 02:02:23.800 --> 02:02:25.840 West Virginia at home, that's a winnable game. And then 2567 02:02:25.880 --> 02:02:27.760 of course the rivalry game down at BYU. You beat 2568 02:02:27.800 --> 02:02:29.960 them here, but you know you've got to go down 2569 02:02:29.960 --> 02:02:33.359 there and play them. So the only one I'd circle 2570 02:02:33.439 --> 02:02:35.960 and say, man, it's going to be a an uphill 2571 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:39.439 climb for sure is the Arizona game because it's just 2572 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:42.359 histories not on their side, and a Zona in that 2573 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:45.279 building of the Kale is so good. But those other 2574 02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:48.600 four games are all winnable games for Utah. You know, 2575 02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:51.119 you've only got one conference road win right now, that 2576 02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:54.319 was the game of TCU, But maybe you find another 2577 02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:56.039 one on this road trip and then take care of 2578 02:02:56.119 --> 02:02:58.800 business at home against Arizona State in West Virginia. So 2579 02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:02.520 to your point, can they get ten, Absolutely, but they're 2580 02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:03.960 going to have to figure out how to win at 2581 02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:05.680 least one, maybe two on the road. 2582 02:03:06.239 --> 02:03:10.439 What do you think, Mark Harlin, and you know Taylor Randall, 2583 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:13.479 the powers that be at the University of Utah are 2584 02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:16.439 looking for from this team this year to indicate that 2585 02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:19.239 they've seen enough to look. I think they're giving Craig 2586 02:03:19.239 --> 02:03:22.000 another year next year, no matter what. It's the final 2587 02:03:22.079 --> 02:03:24.239 year of his deal. But what sort of I don't 2588 02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:27.159 know benchmarks or boxes are we looking to get checked 2589 02:03:27.199 --> 02:03:30.239 to indicate this thing is moving in the right direction 2590 02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:32.840 and the right guys in charge of the team. 2591 02:03:34.199 --> 02:03:36.880 That I don't know because those aren't really conversations I 2592 02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:38.960 have with those guys. But you know, I think you 2593 02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:42.920 always want to see improvement and in some ways outpacing 2594 02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:46.800 what expectations are. Expectations weren't high for this team. I 2595 02:03:47.680 --> 02:03:49.560 think if they didn't win another game this year, it 2596 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:52.439 would certainly be disappointing. But I think you've outperformed what 2597 02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:55.319 people thought you would be. But you know, how things 2598 02:03:55.399 --> 02:04:00.000 go spence, your expectations change as you see some stuff, 2599 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:03.600 and I don't think now seven wins would be good enough. 2600 02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:05.760 I think now to your point, nine or ten wins 2601 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:09.119 are probably the expectation. So I think, again, I don't 2602 02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:12.079 have any idea what Taylor Randall and Mark Carlin are 2603 02:04:12.119 --> 02:04:14.439 looking at. It's well above my pay grade. But I 2604 02:04:14.479 --> 02:04:16.880 think when you're in those positions The thing you always 2605 02:04:16.960 --> 02:04:21.000 want to see is, you know, improvement, Is the team 2606 02:04:21.159 --> 02:04:25.119 getting better as the year goes along. Is the team cohesive? 2607 02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:27.680 I mean, if you're a Kansas fan right now, that's 2608 02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:30.800 a disaster. I'm not saying they would run Bill's self off, 2609 02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:33.720 but that's a disaster. They haven't gotten better and the 2610 02:04:33.800 --> 02:04:37.600 team's an absolute mess. Here. They have gotten better, and 2611 02:04:37.720 --> 02:04:40.760 this is a really cohesive unit. So you know, I 2612 02:04:40.880 --> 02:04:44.119 think I think it's stay outperformed their preseason expectations. 2613 02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:46.159 Do you think postseason basket? 2614 02:04:46.279 --> 02:04:50.520 Look, it's gonna be tough, barring some crazy run in 2615 02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:53.479 the Big Twelve Tournament to make the NCAA Tournament, I'm 2616 02:04:53.520 --> 02:04:57.279 not sure anybody's expecting that, but n it is postseason 2617 02:04:57.359 --> 02:04:59.039 basketball in the cards for this team. 2618 02:04:59.079 --> 02:05:02.560 You think, well, I think it's postseason. I think to 2619 02:05:02.680 --> 02:05:07.039 be serious about the NCAA tournament because they didn't really 2620 02:05:07.119 --> 02:05:09.600 have a marquee non conference win. You know, a win 2621 02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:12.359 over a Saint Mary's would have helped them a lot 2622 02:05:12.479 --> 02:05:16.039 or somebody along those lines. But let's just say, you know, 2623 02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:20.920 for you know, for the sake of argument, you win 2624 02:05:21.079 --> 02:05:23.920 three of your last five games. That gets you to 2625 02:05:24.039 --> 02:05:27.000 ten and ten into Big twelve and then I believe 2626 02:05:27.239 --> 02:05:31.119 eighteen total wins overall, and then can you get two 2627 02:05:31.199 --> 02:05:33.439 wins in Kansas City? Really, they have to improve that 2628 02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:37.199 net ranking rankings now in the seventies, they've got to 2629 02:05:37.279 --> 02:05:40.079 improve that. That's one of the measuring sticks the committee uses. 2630 02:05:40.199 --> 02:05:43.039 So it's a long shot, I would say, at this 2631 02:05:43.239 --> 02:05:46.680 point in time. But it's not impossible because you've got 2632 02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:49.800 good games coming up. You've got Arizona coming up, You've 2633 02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:52.319 got West Virginia coming up, You've got BYU on the 2634 02:05:52.399 --> 02:05:55.560 road coming up, and then whatever happens in Kansas City, 2635 02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:58.800 you're likely to be you know, Quad one games there too. 2636 02:05:59.079 --> 02:06:02.880 So not impossible, but yeah, I would I would be 2637 02:06:03.079 --> 02:06:05.800 surprised if they weren't an NIT team for sure, unless 2638 02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:07.600 there was some sort of total collapse here over the 2639 02:06:07.680 --> 02:06:08.399 last couple of weeks. 2640 02:06:08.479 --> 02:06:11.159 You mentioned Bill self, I mean, Ryles, they go down 2641 02:06:11.239 --> 02:06:14.079 to Provo last night and they get dog walked like 2642 02:06:14.239 --> 02:06:16.880 it was wild. I'm watching the game, going what's going on? 2643 02:06:17.000 --> 02:06:19.600 I mean, as you know, Bill's been there twenty two years. 2644 02:06:20.199 --> 02:06:22.479 During the first twenty seasons, he never lost more than 2645 02:06:22.520 --> 02:06:25.319 six conference games, which is wild to think about, by 2646 02:06:25.359 --> 02:06:26.880 the way, but he lost eight last year. 2647 02:06:27.319 --> 02:06:29.000 He's already lost seven this year. 2648 02:06:29.560 --> 02:06:31.600 And I'm just watching the get Like if I didn't 2649 02:06:31.600 --> 02:06:34.319 know anything about college hoops and I turned on that game, 2650 02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:36.079 I'd be like, these two teams don't even look like 2651 02:06:36.119 --> 02:06:38.039 they should be on the same floor. They were not 2652 02:06:38.199 --> 02:06:40.199 closing out, they were not getting back, they were not 2653 02:06:40.359 --> 02:06:44.000 taking away airspace from shooters. And BYU when they make shots, man, 2654 02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:46.680 I think they're fifteen and oh when they shoot forty 2655 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:49.840 eight percent, like they're really good when they get going. 2656 02:06:50.439 --> 02:06:52.920 This is a Kansas team under Bill self rles that 2657 02:06:53.079 --> 02:06:56.039 I do not recognize. I mean, Kansas is the bluest 2658 02:06:56.079 --> 02:06:58.479 of the blue bloods in this conference. They were the 2659 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:01.439 preseason number one team for the second year in a row. 2660 02:07:02.119 --> 02:07:05.039 Last night was the worst loss a preseason number one 2661 02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:08.239 team has ever suffered in the history of college basketball. 2662 02:07:08.479 --> 02:07:10.840 How has this thing gone off the rails for your guy, 2663 02:07:10.920 --> 02:07:16.319 Bill Self? And with two years now of subpar results, 2664 02:07:16.840 --> 02:07:20.039 is there any conversation like there was with John Calipari 2665 02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:22.079 in Kentucky that maybe this is not the right fit. 2666 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:25.520 No, I don't think so. I think if anybody steps away, 2667 02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:27.680 the probably be him. You know, one of his best 2668 02:07:27.720 --> 02:07:30.600 friends from what I understand is Jay Wright and Jay 2669 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:33.600 Wright saw this coming three years ago and stepped away. 2670 02:07:34.079 --> 02:07:36.079 Bill self is already in the College bad and the 2671 02:07:36.119 --> 02:07:39.359 Basketball Hall of Fame. He is winning his coach in 2672 02:07:39.399 --> 02:07:44.079 Kansas history. He's his resume speak. You know, I would 2673 02:07:44.119 --> 02:07:45.840 have thought he'd coached for a couple of more years. 2674 02:07:46.520 --> 02:07:48.319 I don't know. Maybe he walks away this year. I 2675 02:07:48.399 --> 02:07:51.000 have no inside information, but that was a team that 2676 02:07:51.119 --> 02:07:53.359 looked like it just quit playing last night in Provo. 2677 02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:55.800 And then to hear self say after the game, we 2678 02:07:55.920 --> 02:07:57.800 need to be apart for a while. We don't. We 2679 02:07:57.920 --> 02:08:00.399 need to get away from each other. When you ever 2680 02:08:00.439 --> 02:08:02.239 hear a coach say we need to get away from 2681 02:08:02.279 --> 02:08:04.760 each other three quarters of the way through a year, 2682 02:08:05.239 --> 02:08:07.640 I mean, that's that's not good. They're like the island 2683 02:08:07.680 --> 02:08:10.720 to misfit toys spends. They've got a bunch of individual 2684 02:08:10.840 --> 02:08:13.720 players who were pretty good at other stops. They don't 2685 02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:16.880 play together at all. And you can't win in basketball 2686 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:18.439 if you don't have a team that could play together. 2687 02:08:18.880 --> 02:08:21.079 You ever spend seventy two straight hours in Provo with 2688 02:08:21.119 --> 02:08:22.760 a group of people you'd want to get away from 2689 02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:23.119 each other. 2690 02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:27.479 If you did that as well, Manny. 2691 02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:29.319 What didn't you spend six great days down there? 2692 02:08:29.479 --> 02:08:30.000 That was eight? 2693 02:08:30.520 --> 02:08:32.159 Give me a credit for all eight. Please. 2694 02:08:32.279 --> 02:08:34.199 It was the best eight days of my life, all right, 2695 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:37.000 don't don't shore change me, Bill, It was eight days. 2696 02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:39.079 But there are only so many, you know, Like are 2697 02:08:39.119 --> 02:08:41.720 we having cubbies again? Like, I don't blame them for 2698 02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:44.119 wanting to spend some time apart like many how much 2699 02:08:44.199 --> 02:08:45.479 swig can you actually put down? 2700 02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:48.760 That's a good point. It's a good point. I'm just 2701 02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:50.720 saying a couple of times too. 2702 02:08:50.840 --> 02:08:51.439 I'm just saying. 2703 02:08:51.439 --> 02:08:53.720 I'm just saying, all right, wanted to kick the tires 2704 02:08:53.760 --> 02:08:56.479 with you on some college football storylines, because for the 2705 02:08:56.760 --> 02:09:01.239 second time in four months, the leadership of the Big 2706 02:09:01.359 --> 02:09:05.039 ten in the SEC are holding meetings to discuss the 2707 02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:06.279 future of college football. 2708 02:09:07.359 --> 02:09:09.520 My first question on this is simple. 2709 02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:11.399 If you are not a member of the Big Ten 2710 02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:14.239 of the SEC, should you be nervous about the conversations 2711 02:09:14.279 --> 02:09:17.439 happening behind closed doors in New Orleans this week? 2712 02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:21.520 I think you should be. I don't know how nervous 2713 02:09:21.640 --> 02:09:23.439 is the right word, because it's not as if the 2714 02:09:23.479 --> 02:09:25.880 Big twelve in the ACC are going to get locked out. 2715 02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:28.279 But yeah, you've got to be, you know, head on 2716 02:09:28.359 --> 02:09:31.079 a swivel here, because it sounds like these guys are 2717 02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:33.479 going to go behind closed doors and try to rewrite 2718 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:36.199 the rules again and add two more teams for each 2719 02:09:36.239 --> 02:09:38.439 one of their conferences, you know what I mean. It 2720 02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:40.359 sounds like they're trying to say, Okay, we're going to 2721 02:09:40.399 --> 02:09:42.960 stack the deck in our favor again, where I'd really 2722 02:09:43.039 --> 02:09:45.079 be concerned as if I was a group of five 2723 02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:47.840 or you know, try to get multiple at larges in 2724 02:09:48.159 --> 02:09:51.720 so yeah, I you know, it's not just the big 2725 02:09:51.800 --> 02:09:54.479 ten in the SEC. It's the television networks that work 2726 02:09:54.560 --> 02:09:57.359 with them. They're all working in concert here. But it's 2727 02:09:57.800 --> 02:09:59.760 I don't think it's a great look when these guys 2728 02:09:59.760 --> 02:10:01.359 are all supposed to be doing this together. 2729 02:10:02.039 --> 02:10:04.960 And I am not a college football alarmist, because I 2730 02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:08.640 ultimately believe the product is the Saturdays in the fall 2731 02:10:08.680 --> 02:10:11.439 will always feel like Saturdays in the fall. And I 2732 02:10:11.600 --> 02:10:13.359 also am a grown up and I understand what a 2733 02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:16.680 front facing, revenue generating entertainment business is about, and it 2734 02:10:16.840 --> 02:10:18.920 is whether you like it or not as a consumer, 2735 02:10:19.079 --> 02:10:22.039 it is about making sure your shareholders get the best 2736 02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:24.279 value they can for investing in your product. 2737 02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:26.399 Love it or hate it. That's just kind of the deal. 2738 02:10:26.880 --> 02:10:29.720 But it does seem like we are, you know, if 2739 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:30.479 we're fair or not. 2740 02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:33.279 As here part of me believes we're moving away from 2741 02:10:33.359 --> 02:10:35.479 some of the things that as a college football fan 2742 02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:39.199 we all really love. And if there's four auto bids 2743 02:10:39.239 --> 02:10:42.119 in every league, is there a danger of diluting a 2744 02:10:42.199 --> 02:10:45.880 regular season that just seems prescient every weekend, which to 2745 02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:47.079 me makes it great. 2746 02:10:48.960 --> 02:10:51.319 A little bit. I mean, I think this year was 2747 02:10:51.359 --> 02:10:53.720 good because it made a lot of November games a 2748 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:57.279 lot more meaningful. I actually like the number twelve. I 2749 02:10:57.319 --> 02:11:00.159 don't know where you're at with it. I use to 2750 02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:03.800 talk about sixteen teams getting in. I'm actually okay with 2751 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:07.319 the number twelve. I want to reconfigure how they do 2752 02:11:07.439 --> 02:11:10.279 the seeding for everything, But I thought the number twelve 2753 02:11:10.479 --> 02:11:13.159 was pretty good, with the top four seeds getting buys, 2754 02:11:13.199 --> 02:11:15.720 playing on campus, stuff like that. I don't know that 2755 02:11:15.800 --> 02:11:18.720 we need to go to sixteen right now. Let's see 2756 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:20.840 how twelve plays for a couple of years. But I 2757 02:11:21.000 --> 02:11:26.680 don't like the idea of power conferences continuing to kind 2758 02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:29.640 of rig it behind the scenes without some sort of consensus. 2759 02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:31.920 I'm with you, the games will always be the games, 2760 02:11:31.960 --> 02:11:34.319 and college football is going to be great, but you 2761 02:11:34.439 --> 02:11:36.960 also want your most meaningful games to feel like they're 2762 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:40.359 most meaningful too, and you want people to feel like 2763 02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:42.720 they've got a chance. We know not everybody always has 2764 02:11:42.760 --> 02:11:44.680 a chance, but you don't want to feel like the 2765 02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:48.399 deck is stacked a certain way going into a playoff scenario. 2766 02:11:48.920 --> 02:11:50.800 And if the Big Ten and the SEC get together 2767 02:11:50.880 --> 02:11:53.079 and give themselves two more automatic bids, it kind of 2768 02:11:53.119 --> 02:11:55.560 feels like they're stacking the deck a little bit. 2769 02:11:55.600 --> 02:11:58.000 Well, And it also is hard not to draw a 2770 02:11:58.079 --> 02:12:01.359 straight line between the power house brand of the Crimson 2771 02:12:01.479 --> 02:12:05.039 Tide not getting in and what they're trying to accomplish. 2772 02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:07.399 But look, if this is the way we're gonna go, 2773 02:12:07.880 --> 02:12:09.800 then just scrap the whole thing and make it a 2774 02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:13.039 playoff system like the NFL does, Like sorry, Bama, you 2775 02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:16.000 lost four games, Like don't lose four games, and then 2776 02:12:16.039 --> 02:12:18.520 you'll qualify for the CFP. But if we're going in 2777 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:22.600 the way of simply, you know, allowing more auto bids 2778 02:12:22.680 --> 02:12:25.760 for the powerbrokers in college football, why don't we just 2779 02:12:25.880 --> 02:12:28.840 make a playoff that you have to qualify for in 2780 02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:32.600 a way that doesn't feel like it's simply Look The 2781 02:12:32.640 --> 02:12:35.680 bottom line is this powerful television executives would love to 2782 02:12:35.720 --> 02:12:38.199 have Alabama on their television network, and I know that's 2783 02:12:38.239 --> 02:12:40.479 driving a lot of this. But if we're just gonna 2784 02:12:40.479 --> 02:12:43.840 have these eqs, these qualifications, like, what's the point in 2785 02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:46.920 keeping the system intact all together? Because it feels like 2786 02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:50.520 it is a slow crawl towards a complete dismantling of 2787 02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:52.439 the thing. Anyway, I don't know why we don't just 2788 02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:55.000 rip the band aid off and put smart lawyers involved 2789 02:12:55.039 --> 02:12:57.239 and get rid of the red tape and just move 2790 02:12:57.319 --> 02:12:59.840 into what hopefully is the final iteration of this. 2791 02:13:00.239 --> 02:13:01.600 It just feels like we're wasting time. 2792 02:13:02.520 --> 02:13:04.479 Well, I just I don't know why you've got a 2793 02:13:04.520 --> 02:13:06.600 college football committee the way you have college bad I 2794 02:13:06.640 --> 02:13:10.159 don't know why conferences have to have automatic bursts outside 2795 02:13:10.199 --> 02:13:13.479 of conference champions Why does the SE I mean, if 2796 02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:16.560 your teams are truly that good, they'll be selected, And 2797 02:13:16.720 --> 02:13:18.720 in most years the big ten of the SEC and 2798 02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:22.000 football are likely going to have more bids. Anyway, but 2799 02:13:22.079 --> 02:13:23.840 why are we going to give you auto bids? Why 2800 02:13:23.880 --> 02:13:26.680 does anybody get auto bids? Your champion gets an auto bid, 2801 02:13:27.079 --> 02:13:29.720 and then the committee selects because there might be a 2802 02:13:29.800 --> 02:13:32.279 year where the SEC only has two good teams that 2803 02:13:32.359 --> 02:13:34.840 deserve to be in there. They shouldn't get four when 2804 02:13:34.880 --> 02:13:37.479 they only deserve two. And I know that old line 2805 02:13:37.560 --> 02:13:40.520 from the Unforgiven deserves got nothing to do with it, 2806 02:13:41.000 --> 02:13:42.039 but it kind of does. 2807 02:13:42.279 --> 02:13:43.000 This is sports. 2808 02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:45.680 It's supposed to be the best of the best, and 2809 02:13:45.760 --> 02:13:48.680 there's no way to do that, you know, without having 2810 02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:51.960 a committee do it. But I just I don't like 2811 02:13:52.039 --> 02:13:54.720 the idea of continually adding auto bids. I like the 2812 02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:58.119 idea of everybody's conference champion getting in there and then 2813 02:13:58.199 --> 02:13:59.960 let the committee do their work with the other you know, 2814 02:14:00.239 --> 02:14:01.079 six or seven picks. 2815 02:14:01.880 --> 02:14:04.800 Give me a quick tease for And this is called 2816 02:14:04.960 --> 02:14:07.720 trying to fit in a college football topic in February, 2817 02:14:07.840 --> 02:14:11.199 because people love college football Spring game. You know it's 2818 02:14:11.279 --> 02:14:13.760 not tomorrow, but you know, ultimately it will be the 2819 02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:17.119 first taste of college football for you fans. And I 2820 02:14:17.279 --> 02:14:20.840 know in years past it has shown to be a scenario. 2821 02:14:21.079 --> 02:14:23.800 And I understand why the coach wit and you know, 2822 02:14:23.960 --> 02:14:27.239 the coaching staff they don't necessarily want to play the 2823 02:14:27.279 --> 02:14:29.880 majority of their better players because you know, injuries have 2824 02:14:30.000 --> 02:14:31.800 been you know, kind of a thing over the past 2825 02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:35.239 couple of years. So give us a quick spring game primer, 2826 02:14:35.399 --> 02:14:38.439 random February college football topic. What should we be most 2827 02:14:38.479 --> 02:14:39.159 excited about? 2828 02:14:40.039 --> 02:14:43.079 Well, I just think it's seeing Jason Beck's offense in 2829 02:14:44.319 --> 02:14:46.880 live form. I mean seeing it in practice is one thing. 2830 02:14:47.000 --> 02:14:49.560 Not the public gets to see practice unless something changes 2831 02:14:49.640 --> 02:14:52.359 this spring. But I think people should be excited for 2832 02:14:53.039 --> 02:14:56.720 seeing what the offense looks like. What's Devin dan Pierre 2833 02:14:56.800 --> 02:14:58.680 looked like in this offense? Who's going to be the 2834 02:14:58.720 --> 02:15:01.760 backup quarterback to Devin dan Pier? What do these running 2835 02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:04.760 backs look like in this offense? You know, who are 2836 02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:07.319 the wide receivers that emerge in this offense? Why Sean 2837 02:15:07.439 --> 02:15:10.760 Parker from Washington State? You know, you know who's who's 2838 02:15:10.800 --> 02:15:13.079 going to be the guy that he's throwing the football too? 2839 02:15:13.199 --> 02:15:15.760 Is it Otto Tea? Is it creed within the more? 2840 02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:17.359 I just I think there's a lot. I think the 2841 02:15:17.439 --> 02:15:20.359 offensive line is pretty well set because they invested well 2842 02:15:20.399 --> 02:15:23.359 in the offseason in the offensive line. But I think 2843 02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:28.119 I'm very curious to see the implementation. And obviously it 2844 02:15:28.159 --> 02:15:31.039 will help having a quarterback that's played in that offense before, 2845 02:15:31.560 --> 02:15:33.960 but I'm just very curious to see what it looks 2846 02:15:34.079 --> 02:15:36.840 like going against what should be a very good defense 2847 02:15:36.920 --> 02:15:37.800 of Morgan scaling. 2848 02:15:38.239 --> 02:15:41.600 What, if anything, this feels like the datist of dead 2849 02:15:41.680 --> 02:15:44.720 periods in college football. The you know, the things that 2850 02:15:44.800 --> 02:15:48.359 are most topical are meetings such as what we've already 2851 02:15:48.399 --> 02:15:51.800 discussed taking place in New Orleans and potential changes to 2852 02:15:51.880 --> 02:15:54.760 the CFP. What's sort of the mode of operation up 2853 02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:56.680 there right now in the football building for Kyle and 2854 02:15:56.760 --> 02:15:57.159 his staff. 2855 02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:01.079 It's it's a lot of you know, meetings and things 2856 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:03.039 like that. They can only do so much. The spring 2857 02:16:03.079 --> 02:16:06.039 football will begin right after spring break in mid March, 2858 02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:08.439 so they've got that. But you know, it's really strength 2859 02:16:08.520 --> 02:16:11.760 and conditioning stuff right now with the players, and probably 2860 02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:14.000 some meeting stuff and a lot of these new offensive 2861 02:16:14.039 --> 02:16:16.560 coaches kind of getting to know their personnel a little bit. 2862 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:18.760 There's a lot of new faces. You know, there's going 2863 02:16:18.800 --> 02:16:21.000 to be forty some new faces on this football team 2864 02:16:21.039 --> 02:16:23.199 this year. So I think there's a lot of get 2865 02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:26.359 to know you to type time right now and installation 2866 02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:29.399 to the offense at least in the books and the playbooks, 2867 02:16:29.439 --> 02:16:32.000 and then spring football hits and then it will really 2868 02:16:32.040 --> 02:16:33.399 get going before. 2869 02:16:33.200 --> 02:16:34.000 I set you loose. 2870 02:16:34.719 --> 02:16:37.159 Some news came down last week that after twenty years, 2871 02:16:37.239 --> 02:16:41.360 Tom Homo stepping down as BYU's athletic director. You know, 2872 02:16:41.520 --> 02:16:43.840 for a number of years you did this job over 2873 02:16:43.959 --> 02:16:47.280 at this station and didn't just call games. You covered 2874 02:16:47.319 --> 02:16:50.120 the landscape of sports across the state, and you know 2875 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:54.040 Ryle's I don't know if being the BYUAD is the 2876 02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:57.000 hardest job in collegiate athletic administration, but it's got to 2877 02:16:57.040 --> 02:16:59.639 be up there. And I think Tom of the course 2878 02:16:59.680 --> 02:17:02.440 of twenty years did a really good job. Deserves a 2879 02:17:02.479 --> 02:17:05.360 lot of credit, and as he makes his way to 2880 02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:07.399 find other things to do with his time, I wonder 2881 02:17:07.479 --> 02:17:10.520 what your reaction was to the news and your thoughts 2882 02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:12.680 on the job he did in twenty years down in Provo. 2883 02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:16.639 He did a great job. And I had a unique 2884 02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:19.440 relationship with Tom because when I was still working at 2885 02:17:19.520 --> 02:17:22.719 KSL and the old days and doing pre and post 2886 02:17:22.799 --> 02:17:27.040 game for BYU and sideline reporting, Tom Holmo was a 2887 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:29.079 great help to me before he was the ever the 2888 02:17:29.159 --> 02:17:32.360 athletic director. During the football games, he would stand on 2889 02:17:32.440 --> 02:17:35.840 the sideline with me and point things out for me 2890 02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:37.440 to look at. I think he had just been let 2891 02:17:37.559 --> 02:17:40.239 go at Cal as their head football coach, so he 2892 02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:42.440 was kind of in a It was kind of a 2893 02:17:43.399 --> 02:17:46.559 in a no job type scenario, and he came back 2894 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:49.120 and he and I got to be friends for that 2895 02:17:49.280 --> 02:17:52.040 one season. He was standing there on the sidelines with me, 2896 02:17:52.239 --> 02:17:55.280 helping me out, pointing things out. And he and I 2897 02:17:55.360 --> 02:17:57.760 always had a great relationship. I remember when I first 2898 02:17:57.840 --> 02:17:59.920 got the University of Utah job and the play by 2899 02:18:00.079 --> 02:18:02.680 play job. I saw him at a Utah BYU game. 2900 02:18:02.719 --> 02:18:04.520 He came up, put his arm around me. He goes, Ah, 2901 02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:07.399 I liked you better when you were wearing blue. But 2902 02:18:07.559 --> 02:18:09.840 he was always he was always great, and to this 2903 02:18:10.040 --> 02:18:12.239 day when I see him, I saw him at basketball 2904 02:18:12.280 --> 02:18:15.559 tournaments and basketball games, I think he I just think 2905 02:18:15.600 --> 02:18:18.239 he's a great guy. And I think, you know, somebody's 2906 02:18:18.280 --> 02:18:20.879 gonna have rather large shoes to fill down there in provo. 2907 02:18:21.399 --> 02:18:23.879 All right, my guy, I appreciate the time. On this Wednesday. 2908 02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:26.120 Did you watch any of the All Star weekend and 2909 02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:27.120 in pro basketball? 2910 02:18:28.040 --> 02:18:30.719 I didn't watch a second of it, Spence, can you believe. 2911 02:18:30.520 --> 02:18:34.319 That, Yeah, you didn't miss anything? Unfortunately? Yeah, yeah, probably 2912 02:18:34.360 --> 02:18:35.920 the right call by you. Thanks for the time, Bill, 2913 02:18:36.040 --> 02:18:39.520 Chat soon, Okay, see Spence the voice of the Utes. 2914 02:18:39.799 --> 02:18:43.239 Bill Riley himself, I always appreciate Bill's time. Yeah, three 2915 02:18:43.319 --> 02:18:45.440 and two in the final five. Man in Utah men's 2916 02:18:45.479 --> 02:18:48.079 basketball could win ten conference games. I did not think 2917 02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:51.520 they'd even scratch it after beating both teams from Kansas. 2918 02:18:52.520 --> 02:18:54.120 All right, what's up? Driving fives? 2919 02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:57.479 I'm your commute home on a Wednesday afternoon slash evening 2920 02:18:57.559 --> 02:18:58.559 starts right about now. 2921 02:18:58.680 --> 02:19:01.239 It is a very fed you wear every day outside. 2922 02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:05.000 It's about thirty eight degrees, little cloudy here in downtown 2923 02:19:05.079 --> 02:19:07.920 Salt Lake City, Utah. And as it is every single day, 2924 02:19:07.959 --> 02:19:09.680 it's gonna have you long for the ride. Welcome into 2925 02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:12.920 the five o'clock hour of the program. RSL is in 2926 02:19:13.120 --> 02:19:16.559 action as we speak. It is conkor CAAFF champions Cup 2927 02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:19.159 Round one, RSL Aridiano. 2928 02:19:19.840 --> 02:19:22.600 Right now, through thirty one minutes of play. It is 2929 02:19:22.719 --> 02:19:24.959 nil nil. It is scoreless. 2930 02:19:25.639 --> 02:19:27.600 Why do I feel like every soccer hater every time 2931 02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:29.559 I give a scoreboard update when I say nil nil 2932 02:19:29.680 --> 02:19:30.719 is like, yes, of course, it is. 2933 02:19:32.760 --> 02:19:34.520 Too many of these games and in scoreless ties. 2934 02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:37.000 Man, what did one one draws? 2935 02:19:37.239 --> 02:19:39.760 Is how he said one one draw? I think I 2936 02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:41.040 said one nil. RSL. 2937 02:19:41.159 --> 02:19:43.239 With my guy Diogo on a free kick, I think 2938 02:19:43.399 --> 02:19:45.760 RSL wins too. Trey says, four zero RSL. 2939 02:19:45.920 --> 02:19:48.120 I think RSL wins Conca CAF. 2940 02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:51.120 What you think Arsel wins the whole tournament? 2941 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:52.280 You know what? 2942 02:19:52.399 --> 02:19:55.559 I like it just own the prediction. I just I 2943 02:19:55.719 --> 02:19:58.079 just want Pablo and my guys to succeed. 2944 02:19:58.280 --> 02:20:01.360 Well, you're about the good vibe, just like let's be honest, Yeah, 2945 02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:03.600 you're a vibe guy. Five o'clock hour of the program. 2946 02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:05.120 Will keep you up today because I know you're on 2947 02:20:05.200 --> 02:20:08.559 the edge of your seats for RSL Aerdiano updates and 2948 02:20:08.600 --> 02:20:12.399 the COCKYCAFF Champions Cup Round one, first Leg, Round two. 2949 02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:13.760 We'll be back here in you. 2950 02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:16.120 Todd should be right there right outside of the window 2951 02:20:16.479 --> 02:20:18.760 that I'm pointing out where there's a parking lot instead 2952 02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:21.879 of a soccer stadium. But hey, yesterday's news. It is 2953 02:20:21.959 --> 02:20:23.559 so cruel that every day I come into work and 2954 02:20:23.600 --> 02:20:25.079 I have to look at that parking lot. That's where 2955 02:20:25.120 --> 02:20:25.920 we wanted the stadium. 2956 02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:30.159 When they released the kits right, they had a nice, 2957 02:20:30.239 --> 02:20:33.639 fancy Salt Lake City video that they put out and 2958 02:20:33.719 --> 02:20:36.959 it's got the grid and it said all roads lead 2959 02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:39.920 to soccer. And I gotta be honest with you guys, 2960 02:20:40.000 --> 02:20:42.360 only one does and it's way out there. It's way 2961 02:20:42.440 --> 02:20:42.920 too far. 2962 02:20:42.959 --> 02:20:46.159 South there, but obviously it's fun to have RSL back. 2963 02:20:46.479 --> 02:20:48.319 Five o'clock hour of the program today brought to you 2964 02:20:48.440 --> 02:20:50.719 by Burt Brothers. With over thirty years of experience and 2965 02:20:50.799 --> 02:20:55.159 nearly thirty locations. 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But tonight there 2982 02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:49.479 is a game that features the LA Lakers and the 2983 02:21:49.920 --> 02:21:52.959 Charlotte Hornets from Crypto dot com arena in Los Angeles, 2984 02:21:53.440 --> 02:21:55.440 where Lebron James is listed as questionable. 2985 02:21:55.479 --> 02:21:59.360 Okay, porter, So here's the deal. Lebron is going to play. 2986 02:22:00.399 --> 02:22:04.200 They're listing him as questionable to further the narrative that 2987 02:22:04.239 --> 02:22:06.040 he actually was hurt and couldn't play in the All 2988 02:22:06.079 --> 02:22:09.200 Star Game. Oh that No, that this is honestly what's 2989 02:22:09.239 --> 02:22:13.040 going on, because you know it's the continuation of him 2990 02:22:13.120 --> 02:22:15.319 just calling the shots. And so I'm sure through back 2991 02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:17.879 channels he has decided to tell people, No, I'm actually 2992 02:22:17.959 --> 02:22:20.639 hurt and I'm questionable. If he doesn't play tonight, I 2993 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:23.040 will eat crow. My guess is he plays tonight, and 2994 02:22:23.120 --> 02:22:25.280 this isn't all. This is a smoke string. 2995 02:22:25.319 --> 02:22:29.520 Well and the Lakers and more so even you can 2996 02:22:29.559 --> 02:22:33.079 go back to the Cleveland days Lebron when he's playing 2997 02:22:34.120 --> 02:22:37.079 and when he's missed any sort of time, they they're 2998 02:22:37.159 --> 02:22:40.920 coy with it. They you know, it's game time decision, 2999 02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:44.040 and then on day of game it's probable, and then 3000 02:22:44.280 --> 02:22:47.959 during the game obviously he ends up playing. And yeah, 3001 02:22:47.959 --> 02:22:51.120 I mean they play the politics of it day in 3002 02:22:51.239 --> 02:22:53.879 and day out, So the fact that they're gonna they're 3003 02:22:53.879 --> 02:22:57.000 gonna do it to come off the All Star break 3004 02:22:57.159 --> 02:23:00.840 is no surprise. And yeah, you would have seen it 3005 02:23:00.920 --> 02:23:05.239 probably regardless. And yeah, conveniently may may cover for some 3006 02:23:05.559 --> 02:23:08.360 some All Star stuff. I will say I was mentioning 3007 02:23:08.399 --> 02:23:10.799 the politics of it yesterday and how Lebron plays that 3008 02:23:12.040 --> 02:23:16.959 plays that power game. The the thought that that Zach 3009 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:19.719 brought up about him not being stoked about how the 3010 02:23:19.799 --> 02:23:22.079 All Star weekend was going and maybe just being ah, 3011 02:23:22.239 --> 02:23:24.000 all right, I'm gonna get out of here. I'm not 3012 02:23:24.079 --> 02:23:29.840 saying it's not selfish, but I knowing and following Lebron 3013 02:23:29.920 --> 02:23:32.280 for so long, I don't think that that's completely out 3014 02:23:32.319 --> 02:23:33.920 of the out of the question. I wouldn't put that 3015 02:23:33.959 --> 02:23:34.360 past him. 3016 02:23:34.440 --> 02:23:37.399 Our guy went full conspiracy theory earlier. Now, this was 3017 02:23:37.440 --> 02:23:38.920 a me and o Hasson. I wish you get to 3018 02:23:38.920 --> 02:23:40.600 meet on soon if she has time. A me and 3019 02:23:40.639 --> 02:23:43.680 Al Hassen, Tom Habershaw, two friends of this show, have 3020 02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:47.840 a basketball podcast called Basketball illuminati and look, those are 3021 02:23:47.879 --> 02:23:48.319 my guys. 3022 02:23:48.760 --> 02:23:50.520 But whenever I tune into that, I'm like. 3023 02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:53.840 Yeah, oh they they reach the intentionally. 3024 02:23:53.920 --> 02:23:57.200 It feels like I'm listening to a Joe Rogan basketball podcast. 3025 02:23:57.399 --> 02:24:00.840 There's all conspiracies about this. So they're assertion is le 3026 02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:05.159 Lebron was giving a silent protest because the younger players 3027 02:24:05.200 --> 02:24:07.280 were given access to play on the All Star stage 3028 02:24:07.280 --> 02:24:07.840 on Sunday. 3029 02:24:08.239 --> 02:24:12.079 And for me, it's not just the rising stars, but 3030 02:24:12.159 --> 02:24:15.079 it's the entire like we're gonna stop and do a 3031 02:24:15.959 --> 02:24:18.319 YouTube thing in the middle of the game, it's the 3032 02:24:19.159 --> 02:24:23.639 the whole thing around. It has become, as you've pointed out, 3033 02:24:24.280 --> 02:24:26.680 less about just the All Star Game and more about 3034 02:24:26.719 --> 02:24:30.200 everything else. And if Lebron were to protest, that might 3035 02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:30.959 be a good way to do it. 3036 02:24:31.239 --> 02:24:31.440 Well. 3037 02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:34.120 And here's the only issue I have. Whether it's Lebron 3038 02:24:34.399 --> 02:24:37.520 apparently protesting that the young players can play on Sunday 3039 02:24:38.319 --> 02:24:41.520 or Draymond Green saying the whole thing sucks, this. 3040 02:24:41.719 --> 02:24:43.520 Is your fault and it's your product too. 3041 02:24:44.360 --> 02:24:48.239 You guys, as players, had a chance to continue what 3042 02:24:48.559 --> 02:24:51.000 was really cool for basketball fans for a lot of years. Man, 3043 02:24:51.000 --> 02:24:52.360 I'm telling you, this is not just me as a 3044 02:24:52.399 --> 02:24:55.920 basketball guy talking about how much fun All Star games 3045 02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:59.440 used to be. Any basketball fan eagerly looked forward to 3046 02:25:00.239 --> 02:25:03.159 what was the best pick up basketball game in the world. 3047 02:25:03.920 --> 02:25:08.200 And so I have no space for Draymond Green complaining 3048 02:25:08.319 --> 02:25:11.479 or Lebron James protesting, or any player complaining about the 3049 02:25:11.559 --> 02:25:14.639 deal when it's their fault that this thing has devolved 3050 02:25:14.680 --> 02:25:15.559 into such a cluster. 3051 02:25:15.680 --> 02:25:16.000 You know what. 3052 02:25:16.479 --> 02:25:19.200 Yeah, I mean, to be part of the problem is 3053 02:25:20.239 --> 02:25:24.760 one thing. But to go out and outwardly be against 3054 02:25:24.840 --> 02:25:28.799 it when you are part of that issue, Well, I 3055 02:25:28.840 --> 02:25:30.239 guess that's why we're where we are. 3056 02:25:30.639 --> 02:25:33.440 Yep, yep, well said all right, following a joint meeting 3057 02:25:33.559 --> 02:25:38.040 today between the athletic directors representing their respective conferences in 3058 02:25:38.280 --> 02:25:39.879 the SEC and the Big Ten. 3059 02:25:40.920 --> 02:25:43.159 So it is just the SEC and the Big Ten. 3060 02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:44.840 And I think there are a lot of issues with this, 3061 02:25:45.040 --> 02:25:47.200 but they are the power brokers in college football. 3062 02:25:48.040 --> 02:25:50.479 The golden rule. Porter, why don't you remind the listeners 3063 02:25:50.559 --> 02:25:51.440 what the golden rule. 3064 02:25:51.399 --> 02:25:52.200 Is on this program. 3065 02:25:52.559 --> 02:25:54.719 The man with the gold he makes the rules they do, 3066 02:25:55.040 --> 02:25:56.079 and they are the. 3067 02:25:56.120 --> 02:25:58.159 Men with the gold So the SEC and the Big 3068 02:25:58.239 --> 02:26:00.920 Ten who bring in the most revenue college football by 3069 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:04.559 far are meeting this week without the Big Twelve, without 3070 02:26:04.600 --> 02:26:08.239 the ACC, without any G five representation, about the future 3071 02:26:08.280 --> 02:26:10.680 of college football, and we're starting to get some information 3072 02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:13.920 about some of the things they've talked about. So Greg Sankee, 3073 02:26:14.079 --> 02:26:17.399 SEC commissioner, and Tony Petiti, the Big Ten Commissioner, came 3074 02:26:17.440 --> 02:26:20.159 out today after the meeting and said they agreed that 3075 02:26:20.280 --> 02:26:23.479 the way teams are seeded in the twelve team CFP 3076 02:26:23.680 --> 02:26:26.920 playoff format will and should should and will change this 3077 02:26:27.079 --> 02:26:30.760 fall now. Ultimately, according to Greg Sankee, he says, quote, 3078 02:26:30.799 --> 02:26:32.799 I'm prepared to vote for a seating change, but it 3079 02:26:32.879 --> 02:26:36.319 has to be unanimous, and I'm not really sure that 3080 02:26:36.479 --> 02:26:40.280 that's anything other than lip service, because this, again is 3081 02:26:40.360 --> 02:26:43.520 the Big Ten, and it is the SEC, and apparently 3082 02:26:43.959 --> 02:26:47.239 the Notre Dame Athletic Director Pete. I think it's Bevilaqua. 3083 02:26:47.719 --> 02:26:50.200 That's probably not it, but it's Pete. Somebody that dude 3084 02:26:50.680 --> 02:26:53.399 is also on board. So they roped in the Notre 3085 02:26:53.479 --> 02:26:57.840 Dame ad in addition to just the conference commissioners from 3086 02:26:57.840 --> 02:27:02.040 the Big Ten and the SEC. So another suggestion that 3087 02:27:02.120 --> 02:27:04.879 has been made that probably is going to come to 3088 02:27:05.079 --> 02:27:09.399 fruition potentially as early as this fall, is the field 3089 02:27:09.520 --> 02:27:12.040 should be well will I will not say should because 3090 02:27:12.040 --> 02:27:14.319 I kind of like the twelve, but the field potentially 3091 02:27:14.440 --> 02:27:18.239 will be expanded, and therefore the model would now include 3092 02:27:18.399 --> 02:27:22.360 four automatic qualifiers from both the SEC and the Big Ten, 3093 02:27:23.120 --> 02:27:27.040 two automatic qualifiers from both the Big twelve and the ACC, 3094 02:27:27.840 --> 02:27:30.639 and then potentially a single automatic qualifier from G five 3095 02:27:30.680 --> 02:27:33.719 and then depending on the expansion number, it could be 3096 02:27:33.799 --> 02:27:36.600 as few as one or maybe three at large bids. 3097 02:27:37.959 --> 02:27:40.879 According to this is Heather Dinnich. Let's give her some 3098 02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:44.520 credit for doing this good work. This would also, as 3099 02:27:44.559 --> 02:27:46.520 far as the seed goes, would open up the door 3100 02:27:46.559 --> 02:27:49.159 for Notre Dame, which can't win a conference title, is 3101 02:27:49.159 --> 02:27:51.479 an independent to earn a first round by as a 3102 02:27:51.559 --> 02:27:55.479 top four seed. So a lot of things at stake, 3103 02:27:55.559 --> 02:27:58.200 I mean, with the college football news cycle pretty much 3104 02:27:58.239 --> 02:28:02.639 dried up right now, these meetings are garnering a lot 3105 02:28:02.680 --> 02:28:05.200 of attention, so we understand what the landscape of college 3106 02:28:05.239 --> 02:28:08.840 football could look like. As early as this fall, we 3107 02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:10.959 started the show off with this and we talked to 3108 02:28:10.959 --> 02:28:15.760 a little college basketball. So the University of Kansas, Kansas Jayhawks, 3109 02:28:15.879 --> 02:28:19.600 the bluest of blue bloods in the Big twelve, rolled 3110 02:28:19.600 --> 02:28:22.200 into the State of Utah over the weekend, then through 3111 02:28:22.319 --> 02:28:26.120 last night and did not lead for one second. They 3112 02:28:26.200 --> 02:28:29.399 never led the Utes, they never led the Cougars. BYU 3113 02:28:30.040 --> 02:28:33.399 dog walked them last night at the Marriott Center in Provo, 3114 02:28:34.000 --> 02:28:36.159 and it was over early and they never looked back. 3115 02:28:36.719 --> 02:28:40.200 Bill self has been coaching at Kansas for twenty two years. 3116 02:28:40.920 --> 02:28:43.399 During his first twenty years, he never lost more than 3117 02:28:43.520 --> 02:28:47.280 six conference games. They lost eight conference games a year ago. 3118 02:28:47.360 --> 02:28:50.719 They've already lost seven conference games this year. That tied 3119 02:28:50.760 --> 02:28:53.479 for the largest margin of defeat in the history of 3120 02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:58.399 bill selves tenure at Kansas. The Kansas Jayhawks the winning 3121 02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:00.799 this program in the history of college basketball. That's the 3122 02:29:01.000 --> 02:29:05.319 third worst loss they've ever suffered. It is the worst 3123 02:29:05.399 --> 02:29:09.239 loss that a former AP number one preseason team has 3124 02:29:09.319 --> 02:29:11.639 ever suffered in the history of college basketball. It was 3125 02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:14.840 a blood bath. Kansas, of course, will fall out of 3126 02:29:14.879 --> 02:29:17.159 the top twenty five. My guess is BYU leaps in 3127 02:29:17.319 --> 02:29:22.120 now and BYU, by any bracketology, by any measurable metric, 3128 02:29:22.280 --> 02:29:24.639 is certainly an NCAA tournament team. 3129 02:29:24.639 --> 02:29:26.120 But last night felt. 3130 02:29:28.000 --> 02:29:28.239 Real. 3131 02:29:28.479 --> 02:29:30.959 It was like a moment that felt like kind of seismic. 3132 02:29:31.000 --> 02:29:34.280 If you're a BYU basketball fan because during the NBA 3133 02:29:34.319 --> 02:29:37.280 All Star Break no NBA last night, the eyes of 3134 02:29:37.879 --> 02:29:38.959 the sports world. 3135 02:29:39.559 --> 02:29:42.799 On ESPN to watch BYU Kansas. 3136 02:29:42.600 --> 02:29:45.879 And every college basketball podcast I saw this morning led 3137 02:29:45.959 --> 02:29:49.600 with this game. Now from a national perspective, topically, it 3138 02:29:49.719 --> 02:29:52.479 was more like what is going on with Kansas? Because look, 3139 02:29:52.520 --> 02:29:55.799 I'm not taking anything away from either Utah or BYU, 3140 02:29:56.879 --> 02:29:59.040 but this is as bad of a Kansas basketball team 3141 02:29:59.040 --> 02:30:00.479 as I've seen in a long time, and they were 3142 02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:01.479 the preseason number one. 3143 02:30:01.479 --> 02:30:04.639 They've got like four pros on this roster. 3144 02:30:05.399 --> 02:30:09.280 They didn't even provide any pushback defensively last night for BYU. 3145 02:30:09.440 --> 02:30:12.959 Wide open shots after wide open shots BYU. When they 3146 02:30:13.040 --> 02:30:15.000 knock down shots I think I read there fifteen and 3147 02:30:15.040 --> 02:30:17.959 oh when they shoot forty nine percent, that's a team 3148 02:30:18.000 --> 02:30:19.959 that really is make or miss, and ultimately when it 3149 02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:23.840 is make, they are tough. And ultimately BYU down the stretch, 3150 02:30:24.559 --> 02:30:26.879 we'll see what they're able to do. But they have 3151 02:30:26.959 --> 02:30:29.959 a chance to win eleven or twelve conference games. They're 3152 02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:32.360 thirty one in the net and if you're not going 3153 02:30:32.440 --> 02:30:35.360 to win the Big Twelve on Selection Sunday, and obviously 3154 02:30:35.440 --> 02:30:38.920 the Big Twelve tournament will be an indicator of what 3155 02:30:39.120 --> 02:30:41.120 we'll see and if you win the thing, you're in. 3156 02:30:41.399 --> 02:30:43.719 But if you don't win the Big Twelve tournament, you 3157 02:30:43.840 --> 02:30:45.559 really want to be in the twenties when it comes 3158 02:30:45.600 --> 02:30:48.840 to your nets to feel safe when it comes to 3159 02:30:48.920 --> 02:30:52.520 conference selection, signer I should I should say selection Sunday 3160 02:30:52.559 --> 02:30:55.319 to see if you're getting into the NCAA Tournament. So 3161 02:30:55.479 --> 02:30:57.760 both teams have five games left. The final game of 3162 02:30:57.799 --> 02:31:01.479 the regular season will feature these two teams, Utah and BYU, 3163 02:31:01.600 --> 02:31:03.079 down in Provo on March the eighth. 3164 02:31:03.159 --> 02:31:06.360 Of course, BYU will have some real payback on their mind. 3165 02:31:06.440 --> 02:31:08.760 On the Utah basketball side of things, if Craig is 3166 02:31:08.799 --> 02:31:10.159 able to find a way to win three of his 3167 02:31:10.239 --> 02:31:13.639 final five games, guess what Utah basketball is a ten 3168 02:31:13.760 --> 02:31:19.000 win conference team, barring something entirely unforeseen. I have a 3169 02:31:19.079 --> 02:31:21.760 hard time believing that the youths can make the NCAA 3170 02:31:21.840 --> 02:31:24.760 Tournament this year. But at least we'll see some postseason 3171 02:31:24.840 --> 02:31:28.120 basketball and maybe they go on some crazy run. I mean, look, 3172 02:31:28.200 --> 02:31:31.639 the top portion of the Big Twelve is still very elite. 3173 02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:33.399 I just don't know that Kansas is one of those 3174 02:31:33.399 --> 02:31:33.959 elite teams. 3175 02:31:34.000 --> 02:31:34.280 This year. 3176 02:31:35.000 --> 02:31:37.920 BYU now holds the tie break over Kansas and Baylor 3177 02:31:38.600 --> 02:31:41.200 to get a nice path to that five seed for 3178 02:31:41.280 --> 02:31:44.000 the conference tournament. Houston is, of course the class of 3179 02:31:44.040 --> 02:31:47.239 the league this year. That it's Arizona, Iowa State, Texas Tech, 3180 02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:50.760 and then BYU with a one game lead over Kansas 3181 02:31:50.840 --> 02:31:53.040 and Baylor, but essentially that's a two game league because 3182 02:31:53.040 --> 02:31:57.719 they own the tiebreaker. Utah finds themselves right behind both Kansas, 3183 02:31:57.760 --> 02:31:59.719 Bay well I should say Kansas, Baylor, and TCU at 3184 02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:02.559 seven eight. They're tied with k State, just one game 3185 02:32:02.600 --> 02:32:05.559 ahead of West Virginia. So it's almost March right around 3186 02:32:05.600 --> 02:32:09.639 the corner. College basketball count of heating up. Utah State 3187 02:32:09.680 --> 02:32:12.559 Aggie is in action tonight. They welcome in San Jose State. 3188 02:32:13.079 --> 02:32:16.239 Utah State coming off another loss to New Mexico, who 3189 02:32:16.360 --> 02:32:20.600 now has a two game lead in conference play. So 3190 02:32:20.799 --> 02:32:23.239 the NBA has one game tonight, that a full slate 3191 02:32:23.280 --> 02:32:25.959 of action tomorrow. The Jazz are in action tomorrow against 3192 02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:29.440 okay See. Got some good college basketball tonight, got a 3193 02:32:29.479 --> 02:32:32.639 little Arkansas, Auburn. We have Bama and missoo to top 3194 02:32:32.680 --> 02:32:36.440 fifteen teams. Saint John's Rick Patino has that team back 3195 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:38.360 in the top ten. They're on the road at DePaul. 3196 02:32:39.399 --> 02:32:41.399 So it's that time of year. March is right around 3197 02:32:41.440 --> 02:32:45.000 the corner, and we've talked a lot of college basketball 3198 02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:50.000 in the program. Four Nations face off tomorrow. Boston is 3199 02:32:50.079 --> 02:32:53.079 the city and it's a great domestic hockey city. We 3200 02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:54.840 had Neil Smith on earlier. If you missed that, I 3201 02:32:54.879 --> 02:32:57.000 thought it was really really good. A lot of perspective 3202 02:32:57.040 --> 02:33:00.840 today on the history of the rivalry between the US 3203 02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:03.840 and the and the US team and the Canadian team. 3204 02:33:03.879 --> 02:33:07.879 And Neil is a Canadian born hockey savant and has 3205 02:33:07.959 --> 02:33:10.600 now lived in America for a number of years, so 3206 02:33:10.760 --> 02:33:14.079 some good perspective there. Reminder, we will have the Four 3207 02:33:14.159 --> 02:33:17.760 Nations final for you on the radio station tomorrow after 3208 02:33:18.559 --> 02:33:21.319 the Craig Smith Coaches Show, which we'll begin at six o'clock. 3209 02:33:21.319 --> 02:33:23.440 When we say good night, all. 3210 02:33:23.399 --> 02:33:25.000 Right, Porter, I'm gonna ask you the same question I 3211 02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:30.719 asked Zach Harper, philosophical question. Found myself unable to sleep 3212 02:33:30.840 --> 02:33:33.360 last night, which unfortunately is part of your boys' existence. 3213 02:33:33.799 --> 02:33:35.879 I'm doing my best. I'm trying to get better, better 3214 02:33:35.959 --> 02:33:38.799 habits and such. Reading about the fact that there is 3215 02:33:38.799 --> 02:33:40.840 about a three and a half percent chance an asteroid 3216 02:33:40.959 --> 02:33:42.920 is going to hit the Earth in twenty thirty two, 3217 02:33:43.520 --> 02:33:46.680 and therefore we're done, yes, like not even like, hey, 3218 02:33:46.799 --> 02:33:50.600 maybe nope, it's all over. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, 3219 02:33:50.639 --> 02:33:54.520 but according to scientists that study these things, there is 3220 02:33:54.639 --> 02:33:56.440 a three and a half percent chance, and in twenty 3221 02:33:56.520 --> 02:33:59.200 thirty two, an asteroid that is called y N four 3222 02:34:00.079 --> 02:34:03.200 is in or route and will hit the planet and 3223 02:34:03.479 --> 02:34:06.239 it will evaporate all of us. If you had a 3224 02:34:06.399 --> 02:34:09.760 chance to have prior knowledge of this, would you want 3225 02:34:09.840 --> 02:34:12.319 to know or would you rather just have the situation 3226 02:34:12.360 --> 02:34:13.879 where like, hey, just live your life and at some 3227 02:34:13.959 --> 02:34:14.760 point it's gonna happen. 3228 02:34:14.959 --> 02:34:17.799 Yeah, it is a good question philosophically. 3229 02:34:19.079 --> 02:34:20.799 It's only twenty milligrams. 3230 02:34:21.879 --> 02:34:25.879 And the highest chance, by the way, of this happening 3231 02:34:25.959 --> 02:34:27.920 since two thousand and four. In two thousand and four, 3232 02:34:28.719 --> 02:34:31.319 we had a two point seven percent chance of it happening, 3233 02:34:31.360 --> 02:34:34.079 and it flew right by us. I would like to 3234 02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:36.120 I would like to know. I'd like to have it. 3235 02:34:36.200 --> 02:34:38.799 If you give me the opportunity, I'm gonna want a 3236 02:34:38.840 --> 02:34:40.760 little bit of a heads up. That way I can 3237 02:34:40.840 --> 02:34:43.280 watch it happen, I can look forward to it. I 3238 02:34:43.399 --> 02:34:46.479 can look at it with a different perspective, right you 3239 02:34:46.600 --> 02:34:50.000 can if you know it's going to happen and you're 3240 02:34:50.239 --> 02:34:52.559 are you saying like not three point one percent, but 3241 02:34:52.680 --> 02:34:54.479 like one hundred percent it's gonna. 3242 02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:56.680 Happen, like this is the deal on this day. And 3243 02:34:56.760 --> 02:34:58.680 by the way, how would you watch it happen? Because 3244 02:34:58.680 --> 02:35:00.440 I don't think you can watch it. I just think 3245 02:35:00.520 --> 02:35:01.840 it happens and then we're all done. 3246 02:35:01.920 --> 02:35:03.799 I'm sure you could see it coming for at least 3247 02:35:04.319 --> 02:35:08.280 some sort of time if if they, I mean apparently 3248 02:35:08.319 --> 02:35:10.479 they can already see it that it's on its way. 3249 02:35:10.600 --> 02:35:16.399 So I don't know. The different perspective that you're going 3250 02:35:16.479 --> 02:35:19.120 to take looking at this spence is that it's like 3251 02:35:19.200 --> 02:35:21.360 a good it's a good reset. The Earth needs a 3252 02:35:22.200 --> 02:35:26.440 cleanse of some sort, and it's it's bringing it by 3253 02:35:26.520 --> 02:35:27.479 way of asteroid. 3254 02:35:27.799 --> 02:35:30.920 Well, that's not a cleanse. That's we're done, we're evaporated. 3255 02:35:31.000 --> 02:35:34.000 This will not we are This will not cleanse the Earth. 3256 02:35:34.079 --> 02:35:35.680 This will get rid of the planets. 3257 02:35:38.079 --> 02:35:40.440 I'm sure something will rise from the ashes as it 3258 02:35:40.520 --> 02:35:44.559 did the first time according to scientists allegedly, so depending 3259 02:35:44.600 --> 02:35:45.399 on what you believe. 3260 02:35:45.239 --> 02:35:46.639 You think the planet survives. 3261 02:35:46.719 --> 02:35:50.319 But people are done and life finds a different way. 3262 02:35:51.760 --> 02:35:54.680 Maybe it's it's telling us that this is not the 3263 02:35:54.760 --> 02:35:57.479 correct course and the asteroid will knock us off a 3264 02:35:57.520 --> 02:36:01.120 little bit, but not necessarily the end. Just to change. 3265 02:36:01.200 --> 02:36:02.600 Do you think some humans survive? 3266 02:36:03.600 --> 02:36:08.600 Ooh ooh, Because what I'm reading is this is if 3267 02:36:08.639 --> 02:36:11.879 it does hit, it's expected to completely evaporate the human race. 3268 02:36:12.120 --> 02:36:14.319 It would be from what I understand you, it would 3269 02:36:14.399 --> 02:36:14.959 not be good. 3270 02:36:15.760 --> 02:36:18.600 I bet you it would not be good. 3271 02:36:18.680 --> 02:36:21.600 I bet you. And if we here's the other thing, 3272 02:36:21.840 --> 02:36:25.000 if we have good enough notice, I do have a 3273 02:36:25.680 --> 02:36:28.159 place I could get to with protection, and I'm sure 3274 02:36:28.159 --> 02:36:30.959 there's other place people that have hawking about that have 3275 02:36:31.200 --> 02:36:34.079 places with with some protection. Where could you go to 3276 02:36:34.159 --> 02:36:37.040 be protected from an asteroid? I have a I have 3277 02:36:37.200 --> 02:36:40.959 a plans if just in case I'm. 3278 02:36:40.840 --> 02:36:45.559 Not, you know you have asteroid contingent plans. That is wild. 3279 02:36:45.600 --> 02:36:52.000 I don't know about android asteroid specific see I I 3280 02:36:52.120 --> 02:36:53.440 did fall out specific. 3281 02:36:53.600 --> 02:36:56.840 I guess I'm not sure if you're underground bunker in 3282 02:36:56.920 --> 02:36:58.920 Summit County is going to protect you from an asteroid? 3283 02:36:58.959 --> 02:37:01.920 Bud that's the hope though. Okay, See I debated this. 3284 02:37:02.159 --> 02:37:03.959 I debated this in my own head last night as 3285 02:37:03.959 --> 02:37:05.799 I was reading this trying to go to sleep, and 3286 02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:07.399 initially I'm like, you know what, I don't want to know. 3287 02:37:07.479 --> 02:37:09.000 I'm just going to live my life and when it comes, 3288 02:37:09.040 --> 02:37:12.360 it comes. And then I realized the type of. 3289 02:37:14.000 --> 02:37:17.760 Whatever you want to call it, revenge payback that you 3290 02:37:17.840 --> 02:37:21.399 could enact on people over the final few days without 3291 02:37:21.440 --> 02:37:23.719 any repercussion, like they don't know it's coming. 3292 02:37:23.799 --> 02:37:24.040 You do. 3293 02:37:24.840 --> 02:37:27.440 And so anyone that's ever wronged you, it is on, 3294 02:37:28.200 --> 02:37:31.159 like Donkey Kong, give me that final forty forty eight 3295 02:37:31.239 --> 02:37:32.079 hours of existence. 3296 02:37:32.120 --> 02:37:32.840 Is that petty of me? 3297 02:37:33.360 --> 02:37:35.600 A little bit? But that's okay. You could have a 3298 02:37:35.799 --> 02:37:38.520 really good depending on how you look at it, or 3299 02:37:38.600 --> 02:37:45.479 really loud exit if you had the if you had 3300 02:37:45.559 --> 02:37:49.360 the the heads up. But yeah, I'll be I'll be 3301 02:37:49.399 --> 02:37:49.920 in my bunker. 3302 02:37:50.079 --> 02:37:51.719 For the kids in the car, this is nothing you 3303 02:37:51.799 --> 02:37:53.680 need to worry about, Okay. If you're listening to the 3304 02:37:53.799 --> 02:37:55.680 show with children in the car, you guys are safe. 3305 02:37:55.760 --> 02:37:57.399 You're good, Mom and dad, if you're taken care of. 3306 02:37:57.639 --> 02:37:59.479 Hopefully if they have a bunker, don't ruin it. 3307 02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:01.879 There are children listening. I don't want them to think 3308 02:38:01.879 --> 02:38:03.079 the planet's going to explode. 3309 02:38:03.399 --> 02:38:05.520 It might though I know three point one percent. 3310 02:38:05.840 --> 02:38:07.959 I'm doing a thing for the kids. Porter, I'm doing it. 3311 02:38:08.200 --> 02:38:09.799 I know you don't like kids, and you don't care 3312 02:38:09.799 --> 02:38:10.319 about the kids. 3313 02:38:10.360 --> 02:38:13.159 I like the kids. Listen, It's not that I don't 3314 02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:15.079 like the kids, oh, it very much. 3315 02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:17.079 Is that you don't like the kids. You've been very clear. 3316 02:38:17.120 --> 02:38:19.799 I'm just not going out of my way for the kids. Okay, 3317 02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:21.920 they you know, they got parents. They can handle it, 3318 02:38:21.920 --> 02:38:22.639 all right, fair. 3319 02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:24.360 Enough, all right, time to say good night for a 3320 02:38:24.399 --> 02:38:26.959 Wednesday show, Porter, what comes our way on a Thursday 3321 02:38:27.200 --> 02:38:28.399 edition of the program. 3322 02:38:28.600 --> 02:38:31.600 On a Thursday edition of The Drive, we'll chat with 3323 02:38:31.680 --> 02:38:36.000 our guy Andy Larson, Jazz RSL Conka Calf. I'm sure 3324 02:38:36.000 --> 02:38:39.000 we'll go in each and every direction with Andy. You 3325 02:38:39.120 --> 02:38:41.920 mentioned it during this this final segment. We talked a 3326 02:38:41.959 --> 02:38:43.920 lot of college hoops on the show today. That is 3327 02:38:44.280 --> 02:38:47.319 well naturally because the football season is over. Ken Palmer 3328 02:38:47.399 --> 02:38:50.360 Roy in studio talking some college hoops with us yous 3329 02:38:51.000 --> 02:38:54.440 b Yu Big twelve latest headed up to Logan. I'm 3330 02:38:54.479 --> 02:38:57.280 sure as well with what Utah State has been doing. 3331 02:38:57.319 --> 02:39:00.840 Sean Mooney will stop by the program, and and I 3332 02:39:00.920 --> 02:39:02.920 did reach out to a met We're gonna we're gonna 3333 02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:04.479 hope to get a mean on the show as well. 3334 02:39:04.879 --> 02:39:08.879 In the very near future maybe some RSL stuff. They've 3335 02:39:08.879 --> 02:39:11.600 got some travel tomorrow. But on the heels of a 3336 02:39:11.680 --> 02:39:13.959 conca calf matchup, we may have one of them as well. 3337 02:39:14.079 --> 02:39:14.719 All right, there you go. 3338 02:39:15.040 --> 02:39:18.000 Excuse me, so make us a part of your Thursday afternoon. 3339 02:39:18.040 --> 02:39:20.120 With that, will say good night for a Wednesday show special. 3340 02:39:20.200 --> 02:39:23.319 Thank you Zach Harper, Chris Comrodnie Neil Smith, and Bill Riley. 3341 02:39:23.840 --> 02:39:25.840 Pretty to sawn you may miss from the show website 3342 02:39:26.200 --> 02:39:29.479 ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. Make sure to download 3343 02:39:29.479 --> 02:39:31.280 our mobile app take us on the go. It's how 3344 02:39:31.319 --> 02:39:33.760 I listen to our station. That ESPN seven hundred app 3345 02:39:33.840 --> 02:39:35.479 is available in the App Store and then also the 3346 02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:38.440 Google play Store. 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