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at the end of the last hour, I read to
you the harrowing but compelling and rich tale told by
Gary not my fault McFadden, Mecklemburg County's sheriff, who has
refused to cooperate with ICE, but tells everybody because he's
a liar, that he is cooperating with ICE. He tells
the tale that ICE had taken into custody a person
outside of the jail, I assume who had just been
released or something, and how he talked to these ICE
agents and he gave them his phone number, and he
needs to have some collaboration with them to protect everybody's safety.
He alone can do the safety protecting while not collaborating
with ICE. He's wanting, I guess ICE to call his
personal cell phone. I guess you know you know what. Ice,
Here you go. I'm going to give you some advice. Ice. Okay,
give McFadden's phone number to every single ICE agent involved
in any of these efforts, and they should just keep
calling Gary non stop. Just keep calling him every ten
minutes and asking him, are you turning anybody loose right now? Okay? Thanks?
Wait ten minutes, call him up again. Hey, are you
turning anybody loose right now? Okay?
Speaker 2: Hang up?
Speaker 1: Call back ten minutes, turning anybody loose right now? And
just keep doing that. I don't know any other way
around it. He refuses to call ICE to tell ICE
that they're about to release somebody who has gotten bonded
out or is allowed to leave the jail. ICE puts
in a detainer request on a person. That detainer request says,
please call us at the following numbers forty eight hours
or as soon as possible before you release this person.
And McFadden's argument is that is not a requirement under
the law. He does not have to do that now.
His original argument was that he can't keep people for
the length of the detainer, the forty eight hours that
he cannot do that because he would have been sued.
So then the state came in and said, yes, you
can do that. And so now it's like, well, they
don't tell me, I have to call them. See, he's
constantly finding ways to no, not cooperate. It's very clear.
But he wants to now gaslight me and you and
everybody that the real impediment here is ICE not wanting
to work with him. It's crap, It's just garbage. But
that's our sheriff. Okay, So now that I have reset
the table, now we'll see if Tony is aware and
ready to talk, because I went to him earlier and
then he was not ready to chat. So Tony, are
you there?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Sirt?
Speaker 1: I can hear you? Just fine?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, I've kind of wanted to find out why
you're not calling out any of the surrounding county sheriffs,
Union County, Gason County, Cleveland County. I haven't heard anything
about them cooperating with ICE. I hadn't heard anything about
them not cooperating with ICE. So what is your information
about them? Department?
Speaker 1: They are all cooperating with ICE. In fact, Gary McFadden
is one of only four sheriffs in the entire state
that are not cooperating with ICE.
Speaker 3: So when you say cooperating, what are they doing?
Speaker 1: They are alerting ICE that they've got somebody in their
jail arrested for something. And that person is okay, do
you want You don't want to hear the rest of
the answer there. You asked me how they're cooperating, and I.
Speaker 3: Was explaining that, how do you how do you know that?
Speaker 1: How do I know that? Well? Because ICE has said
the calling are.
Speaker 3: They calling you and saying hey man, we just I there?
Speaker 1: Are they calling me in?
Speaker 3: What are they call you and letting you know that
they're calling you Ice? How do you know that?
Speaker 1: They all say that, all of the sheriffs have done that.
That's that, that's their process.
Speaker 3: You know that?
Speaker 1: How do you how do you know? How do you know?
You're on the radio right.
Speaker 3: Now because I'm talking to an idiot.
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't matter. That could be a figment of
your imagination. You don't know anything, Tony. I mean that's
actually more true than just this case. But like you
hear and this man, yes, I do absolutely I bashed
the man solutely.
Speaker 3: That's that's not his job to call. Yes it is,
that's not in his description, is it is Graff a sheriff?
That was not in the description.
Speaker 1: No, I know he made campaign prompt No, Tony, he
made campaign promises that he would not cooperate with ICE,
and so me bashing him for not cooperating with Ice, Well,
it's completely it's completely logical.
Speaker 3: Well no, no, no, it's not logic.
Speaker 1: How is it not logical?
Speaker 3: Definitely not logic.
Speaker 1: How is that?
Speaker 3: Well, for one, you should, for one, at least you
should give him credit. Uh no, at least keeping those words,
because all these other politicians get up there and lie.
But that's not his job. That is not in the
shrift the sheriff job description?
Speaker 1: What is in what is in? What is in the
sheriff's job description?
Speaker 3: Listen, listen? Why can't Ice set up an office in
the sheriff department?
Speaker 1: They did, They had something that well, they had the
next best thing to exactly what you've just described. It
was called the two eighty seven G program and he
scraped it.
Speaker 3: Okay, what happened with that?
Speaker 1: He dismantled it, He scrapped it.
Speaker 3: Okay, well Nessie, I don't see why he would do that.
Speaker 1: Because he said he would not cooperate with ICE, and
they had a two eighty seven g program that facilitated
this very thing. And the first thing he did when
he took over as sheriff was he scrapped it.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you go right ahead.
Speaker 1: And look it up, Tony. Tony, just because you're ignorant
of something doesn't mean it's not true.
Speaker 3: No no, I don't believe you, not one bit.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to believe me, Tony. You go
do your own research. I dare you too. I dare you.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm gonna do. Good because Jess the
only sheriff that's the only sheriff that you are no meaning.
Speaker 1: It's not oh no, no, no no. I he is
the only sheriff that I call not my fault McFadden,
because he's the one that I have that I have
more direct knowledge of and his actions. But the other sheriffs,
there's one in Durham, there was one up in Asheville,
Quentin Miller. He got elected when I was still up
there at the time too, and they all ran because
this was twenty eighteen. They all ran on the same
promise to scrap the two eighty seven G program and
to stop cooperating with ICE.
Speaker 3: Okay, so why can't that just be legislated?
Speaker 1: Why do you think the state legislature has passed a
law trying to force the sheriffs to comply with the
ICE detainer requests, and now they're having to do another
piece of legislation to try to stop McFadden from ignoring
the phone from not making the phone calls.
Speaker 3: I'm not making the phone calls.
Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to. Like, McFadden keeps finding ways
to not cooperate with ICE, and the state legislature has
now done one law. They're fixing to do a second
one directly aimed at McFadden and the Durham Sheriff and
the Astville Sheriff to try to get them to comply
to cooperate with ICE.
Speaker 3: Well, let's see how that works. Happened. Let's be obviously
obviously it's something that that's wrong about it. Uh, if
it's not, he's not breaking the law, because he's not.
Speaker 1: I did did I say he's breaking the law? Did
I say he's breaking the law?
Speaker 3: No, he's not, but you act like he is.
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I never said he's breaking a law.
Speaker 3: Doing his job. No, he's not.
Speaker 1: What is his job again, what's his job description?
Speaker 3: His job is he's the sheriff of Mecklinburg County.
Speaker 1: That's his title. What's his job description? You keep mentioning
his job description. What is the job description.
Speaker 3: He's the sheriff of Mecklenburg, that's the title.
Speaker 1: What's the job description? Last chance?
Speaker 3: You tell me?
Speaker 1: No, you tell me because you seem to know what
it is, what it is in it, and what is
not in it. County, you can keep Tony, Tony, you
can keep screaming that he is the sheriff of Mecklinburg
County and it doesn't advance the conversation at all. You Tony, Tony,
you said, you said that it is not in his
job description. I asked you what is his job description?
And you obviously do not know. That's my point. You
don't know, So you're making an argument, Tony. Once again,
you are making an argument berest of knowledge.
Speaker 3: You just you just you just calling this man out
because you don't like him.
Speaker 1: No, I'm calling him out for his actions, Tony. I'm
calling him out for his Do you well, do you
like a sheriff that oversees a jail that has a
dozen people die in custody? Do you like that? That's okay? Yeah?
Do you know what he's what his record has been
running the jail?
Speaker 3: You said a dozen people have died in his custom?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well how many? How many? How many prisoners have died
in Central Prison in Raleigh, North Carolina?
Speaker 1: Not a dozen?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Not a dozen? Yeah? See Gary McFadden. Gary McFadden's jail
has been investigated by the state under the Roy Cooper
administration multiple times, cited for failures, which which which families
are suing him and the jail and the the county
over those failures. See this isn't it, Tony, Tony, Tony,
I got a run. But you should just do one thing.
Aside from looking up the two eighty seven g program
and educating yourself on that, another thing you should do
is entertain the possibility that the reason why I am
so hard on this guy is because he is a
terrible sheriff. It's got nothing to do with anything other
than that he's not good at the gig. The Charlotte
Observer Editorial Board agrees with me on that he is
not fit for the office. Tony Call again enjoyed it all? Right,
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Chris Standlin real quick. I want to give this breaking news.
Federal Judge William Oric, an Obama appointee in California, has
now blocked the Trump administration from terminating federal funding for
sanctuary jurisdictions. The cities and counties, he says, have also
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something about this, all right, James, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Hey James, how are you doing. Brother?
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good. What's going on?
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just after that phone call, man,
I don't know if I should be the guy to
talk to No. You know, a couple of things I
want to like reiterate. You know, the sheriff is the
highest law of the land, and you know when you
have a man in that position, he's supposed to do
his job at the highest law of the land. And look,
if you got somebody that's deported or illegally in this country,
you know you're supposed to do your job. I mean,
and hopefully we're getting things better to where all these
different agencies are talking together. But the thing is there
illegally for some reason. And you know, yeah, maybe they
have some good family this and this and that or
whatever in this country, but they're here illegally, right.
Speaker 1: Two thing is yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But my point is he's not doing his job.
I mean, why would you never communicate with ice, Why
would you never communicate with the other authorities. I mean,
if this guy's incarcerated, it's for a reason. Right.
Speaker 1: So the thing to keep in mind here is that
if you are an illegal alien and you are in
the Mecklenburg County jail, you are there because you were
picked up and arrested for some crime, not being.
Speaker 2: Issues then just being illegal.
Speaker 1: Correct, not being here illegally. That that is not the
That is not why you're in the jail. You're in
the jail because you violated a law. You were picked
up by police and they brought you to the jail
so you could be held until you're bond and then
you can bond out. But the Ice people are like, hey,
you're about to you got somebody he is deportable. Hold
on to them, We'll come get them. And Uh, can I.
Speaker 2: Ask you something? How how can it is it constitutionally
correct that you have a legal American in there and
they're prosecuted one way and then illegal is prosecuted another way.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're not. I don't No, I
don't believe there's a difference there. I don't believe there's
a difference in the.
Speaker 2: There is, but there is. The point is my point
is like, if I got incarcerated, I'm going to be
whatever I did. I mean, just pick whatever crime. He
will be fully prosecuted. Well, why are they treated the same?
Speaker 1: They are for that crime, not for the deportation exactly.
Speaker 2: But and I'm trying to get there, I'm trying to
get around the corner. But the thing is there, weren't
I mean, they came in here illegally. Why the hell
would our sheriff never give them to the proper authorities
to take care of it properly?
Speaker 1: Because his voter base put him in that office in
twenty eighteen based on the promise that he would not
cooperate with ICE.
Speaker 2: That's what that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: No, it does because the previous sheriff, I remember when
the two eighty seven G program started up here in
Mecklimber County, Sheriff Jim Pendograph had a bunch of news conferences.
I interviewed him many many times over the years. He
then got a job with the Bush administration where he
told other sheriff's offices around the nation how to do
this two eighty seven G program, and he helped others
implement it, and it started spreading all over the country,
and then you had a backlash against it by the time.
So after Pentagraph, it was Chip Bailey, and then after Bailey,
it was I'm drawing a blank on his name, Carmichael,
and they all kept yeah. So he had the two
eighty seven G program that that existed and was used
to identify and an alert ICE and then ICE would
come get them. And then when McFadden took over when
he won the election, he the first thing he did,
after he fired a bunch of Carmichael's people, he then
scrapped two eighty seven G. And that's why he and
he blinded himself basically to illegal aliens that are in
the jails. That was his promise, and he has said
in his public press statements, he has said that he
does not believe deportation will solve the illegal immigration problem.
He's flat out said that the Holy ship.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do else with them? I
mean they're not here legally. I mean what are we
supposed to do? Just pay for their life forever as
a hard paying taxpayer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But my other point, no, he just doesn't want
them incarcerated. He doesn't he doesn't want them to be deported.
He'll incarcerate them if they commit a crime. But if
they are, if they bond out, he's not going to
tell Ice that they're bonding them out. James. I appreciate
the call. By the way, he said hold the ship
just in case anybody was curious. Chris, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4: Hello, Chris, Hey, bete Hey, real quick. I just wanted
to say that if I've never heard a better drop
the mic moment than you were when you wrapped up
with Tony. You handled it great, but you would think it.
You know, every time he calls he's get sent to school,
you would think hopefully one day he comes back with
something different, but you it's always a homework he has
to come back and do. But he never seems to
change his point of view.
Speaker 1: But that is true. Well, I appreciate that. I am
curious the next time if Tony ever does call again,
I have to try to remember to ask him what
he learned about the two eighty seven G program because
I have a suspicion. Yeah, I have a suspicion he's
not actually going to go look that up.
Speaker 4: No, I'll say that tongue in cheek. Yeah, he gets
he gets sent to school every time he calls. But
well you would think at some point it would, you know,
come back and say, oh, you were right. But that's
not gonna happen here.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, because he would have to do the homework first,
and Tony doesn't strike me as the kind of guy
that does that kind of homework. So yeah, Chris, I
appreciate the call. All right, thank you, I appreciate it. Man. Yeah,
Twitter is blowing up here. Shannon says, bless you forever
engaging with quote unquote Tony the erm or urn Sorry
says maybe McFadden could implement like the one Mississippi two,
Mississippi three, Mississippi four, Mississippi five, Mississippi. Go the McFadden
way or the highway. Yeah, like give everybody as they
come out of the jail, you got to give them
five seconds. Or as another one mentioned, three steps, give
me three steps. Tony's opinion to fact ratio is horrible,
says Jonathan. Gary says Tony is a moron, makes a
moronic statement, can't defend himself when challenged and called you
an idiot. Tony should go to Cleveland County and challenge
Sheriff Allan Norman about if he enforces the law. Please
tell me how that goes well in the Union County
Sheriff I interviewed him a couple months back at the
barbecue and we talked about this and he said, yeah,
we you come into our jail, we're gonna tell ice,
they're gonna take you away. I'm not trying to punish
you with Tony. Tony seems to have two criteria dem
party and race. It does doesn't matter how incompetent or
bad somebody is at their job. And Steve says, Tony's
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It's like a cat playing with a ball of yarn.
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Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden telling a compelling and
rich tale of an interaction that he had. I cannot
decipher exactly where it occurred, but it sounds like it
kind of occurred outside the doors of the jail yesterday
at about noon, where some civilian alerted him or the
Sheriff's office or something to the fact that there were
guys out front without any ice markings or law enforcement
markings that were handcuffing somebody and taking them into custody.
And this so alarmed the person that they called up
either Gary himself or somebody at the jail or somebody
I don't know, he doesn't say, just a member of
the public. But with this sheriff, he could be lying
about that I don't know, and so but he witnessed.
He then says he witnessed it. So I'm not sure
how fast or how fast he was able to get
down from his office, or how close he may have been,
but he got the call and he immediately swoops on
over there to be able to talk to these three
ICE agents and stressing the need for collaboration. This is
the guy that refuses to call them. He refuses to
call them again. I don't know where this operation took place.
It sounds like it took place outside the doors, which
actually makes sense because I'm not so sure the Sheriff's
office would allow the ICE agents in there to take
somebody into custody. Maybe they would, I don't know. But
obviously ICE somehow knew that this person was about to
be released or something, or would be there at the time,
or maybe they followed them there right because as I
told the story about a month ago of the ICE
operation that occurred literally in front of my door from
somebody who lived down the street, and they had vehicles
set up and when he came down the road, they
surrounded him. He tried to run, he crashed his car.
An ICE agent rammed him to immobilize the vehicle, and
then he got out and he started running through the neighborhood.
He ran down behind people's homes, scared the beageebis out
of some little kids that were playing in their basement.
And they got him and they brought him and they
brought him back. They threw him in the car and
then all the agents took off. They never searched his car,
That's what that was about. They never searched the car, right,
so they didn't care what was in the car. This
guy had some order of deportation on him, and they
they waited for him and they got him. So I
suspect something similar occurred yesterday at the courthouse. And Gary
is all upset about this. So he gives these ice
agents his personal cell phone number. For what purpose? For
what purpose? You're not calling them? Are you gonna call them?
Are you gonna let them know? Hey, we've had this guy,
we'll call him Abrago Garcia. We've had him in the
UH in our jail for you know, two months, and
oh he just bonded out. He just finally got the
bond together and he's getting out. And so just a
heads up, if you want to take him into custody,
you can get him before he bonds out because the
safer thing to do for the community, particularly the migrant community,
is to take this person into custody at the jail
while you still have control over him. It's not to
let him walk out the door where he could then
get into a fight with somebody with the agents injure people,
he takes off running, gets hit by a car, causes
an accident, whatever like. Now you have increased the variabilities
to such a degree that you've made it dangerous. That's
why you do it in the court, or you do
it in the jailhouse. That's why ICE wants to take
custody of these people in the jails. They've already been
arrested for some sort of criminal activity. This isn't getting
picked up for driving without a license. They've done something
to warrant their arrest. They are in the jail. They
are illegal aliens that committed some crime for which they
were arrested, and ICE would like you to hold on
to them and give them a heads up so they
can come get them in a secure environment. And McFadden
refuses to do it. He campaigned on a promise not
to cooperate. The state legislature had to pass a law
to try to force him to cooperate, and then he
found a way to continue not cooperating because the detainer
request from ICE to the Sheriff's office requests a phone call.
It doesn't mandate, see, and if it doesn't mandate the call,
then I don't have to do that and I shouldn't
have to call them. What do they want me to
call every time?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Just these guys, Gary, Just these ones, the ones that
have the deportation detainer requests on them, Call ICE for them.
But no, he doesn't want to. He's got to be
seen as fighting ICE. But he also wants you to
believe that he's willing to collaborate. He wants to cooperate,
and that's garbage. He is lying. That's what narcissistic sociopaths do.
Not that I am qualified to diagnose him as such.
It just kind of seems like that. But he lies
and he uses language to manipulate. That's what he did
with this press release. There's no reason to send out
this press release. Why would he send out a press release?
Nobody knew this happened. Look at me, everybody, I'm willing
to cooperate. Look at me, Look at me, Ugh, it's
just so tedious, but it's also very dangerous. He's the
top law enforcement officer in Mecklenburg County. And again I
would point out local Democrat officials in the court system
can petition to remove him. There is a way to
get him removed from office for maladministration, and Democrats have
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I would enjoy getting to know Tony the caller. We'd
have a conversation, learn a little from each other's experiences,
and stress test preconceived notions. I've come to realize that
you couldn't even discuss the merits of chocolate versu. Vanilla
ice cream because he would deny the existence of one
of those. It's probably true, Good Wahoo, says Pete McFadden
is a total clown, but unfortunately a dangerous one who
has literally made Mecklenberg County more dangerous for its residents
and law enforcement that must deal with his policies. But
what is even more disturbing is he is just a
reflection of far too many voters who vote for him
over and over, knowing how ba sad he is, all
seemingly in some sort of cut your nose off despite
your face irrational behavior. Oh, and Tony is a prime
example of that. We have some more breaking news. A
judge has now blocked parts of Trump's election executive order,
including the proof of citizenship mandate for voter registration. There
was actually another trying to find out where it is.
It had to do with the oh, it's a block
an order blocking his order on no teaching DEI. A
judge just issued an injunction against that too. Here it is, well,
Mike Davis with the Article three project. He says, I
want to get this straight. Biden can set up DEI,
which is illegal racial discrimination. So he can set it up,
but Trump can't end it. Right. That's where we are.
District Court enters injunction effective immediately barring Trump administration's implementation
of Department of Education efforts to combat DEI. Remember the
show I did on the fourth Turning. One of the
predictions that has yet to occur, that the author, the
loan surviving author. There were two of them. One of
them passed away. But one of the predictions was that
in the fourth turning or season, if you will, and
we are in the fourth turning, he says, now, which
is the winter the winter is marked by crisis. He
identified he predicted back in nineteen ninety six a series
of events, all of which came true, except for the
final prediction, which was about a nullification crisis. That's what
he believed would occur. There would be a nullification crisis
of some kind. And he has talked about and we
played clips of this. He talked about it being states
versus federal right, or a city versus federal, or a
city versus state, or something like that, like these governmental
units against each other, much like the Civil War. Nullification
at the heart of that right, and there isn't an
off ramp for these governmental entities and the people who
populate the offices, there's no off ramp for them because
they're both asserting power against the other and then neither
one can back away, and so it just keeps getting
ratcheted up. And I am wondering if judicial nullification counts
because the fourth turning is marked by crisis. And in
American history, the turnings are each about twenty years. They
trace this pattern back throughout American history but also in
other societies as well. And after four turnings, four twenty
year increments, you basically have an entirely new population, almost
an entirely new population, because everybody has died and been replaced,
and so people now do not remember the last winter,
the last crisis season. They're all gone. And you think
about it, our I mean, the generation that remembers the
Great Depression in World War II, that generation is now
largely passed. And it's a very, very in depth on
all of the different turnings, and they're you know, what
they're marked by and all of this. But this fourth
turning is the one where you have the crisis of
some kind. And in American history it has always been war.
Now the cause is can be internal or external or both.
And he one of his predictions in the fourth turning
would be to would be this nullification crisis. And I'm
looking at all of these orders from all of these judges,
and the center is not holding, folks, it's not holding.
I keep telling people, recognize where we are, you know.
And I'm not saying that to scare people. I'm saying
that to prepare people, myself included. I don't know what
this is going to look like. I'm just like you,
I have no idea. I'm just looking at these signs
and I see more and more judges that are now
becoming more and more embolden. I'm seeing a US Supreme
Court that's refusing to reign in their courts because those
federal district courts, they are there to lighten the load
of the US Supreme Court. They're there to dispose of
cases that never go all the way up to the
US Supreme Court level. And if this is what we
are now seeing, this kind of behavior among these judges,
just blocking anything that the president is doing, even when
he's when he's tearing up an executive order that the
previous guy did, Like what are we doing here, guys?
And where is Congress? What are you guys doing? Because
at some point the executive branch is going to say,
just like Jackson, right now, let's see him enforce it.
He has his order. That's great, Now let's see him
enforce it. What do you think happens?
Speaker 2: Then?
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