WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.839 Welcome back to the Channel to day, we're diving into 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:05.799 spine chilling real life encounters shared by Reddit users who 3 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:08.800 crossed paths with serial killers before anyone knew who they 4 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.119 really were. If you love true crime and mysterious encounters, 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:15.359 don't forget to like subscribe and drop your own eerie 6 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:24.280 story in the comments. A serial killer lived in the 7 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.960 street behind my aunt's house. We kids went to a 8 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.719 party next door to his house. We'd all seen the guy. 9 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.600 Seemed like a harmless old man, a bit scary, but harmless. 10 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.359 Then the police dug up his patio and found the 11 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.640 bodies of two young women buried underneath. He'd also killed 12 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:43.560 some women up north. That was an odd time. When 13 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:46.079 my mom was sixteen, she was sleeping and woke up 14 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.920 to someone trying to open her bedroom window. She ran 15 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.119 to my grandma's room and told her someone was trying 16 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.920 to break in. My grandma, being the crazy, awesome lady 17 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.439 she is, grabs a bat, runs outside, confronts this guy 18 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.600 and starts swinging. The guy runs off and they don't 19 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:05.000 think too much of it. Sometime later, my grandma sees 20 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.920 the guy on the news and it's Richard Ramirez. My 21 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.040 mom told this story over and over when I was 22 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:13.000 growing up. She easily could have been one of his victims. 23 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:16.239 I'm so grateful she wasn't, especially since she was pregnant 24 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:19.480 with me at the time. So this is third hand, 25 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.879 but an old boss went to the University of Utah 26 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:24.519 and was in a sorority. One day, she was waiting 27 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.439 for her date in front of her sorority house with 28 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.200 a girlfriend who was also waiting for her date. Her 29 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:32.319 girlfriend's date pulls up, but her girlfriend forgets something and 30 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.120 runs back in the house. My former boss chatted with 31 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.159 the man for a few minutes. She noted that he 32 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.280 was polite and handsome. Her girlfriend comes out and they 33 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.159 leave in his VW Beatle. My former boss gets picked 34 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:45.159 up by her date a short while later, and she 35 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.680 thinks nothing of it. The next day, she sees her 36 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.879 girlfriend and asks how the date was. The girlfriend says 37 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.519 that they started driving in her date's VW Beatle and 38 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.959 all of a sudden, she got a splitting headache. She 39 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.239 thought it was really strange, but she felt nauseous. She 40 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.000 apologized and asked him to take her home. He was 41 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:04.879 a little upset, but he dropped her back off. They 42 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:08.240 didn't go out again. Years pass and my former boss 43 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.439 is watching the news one night and sees a familiar 44 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.240 man on the screen. It was Ted Bundy, one of 45 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.039 my tutors at university, seemed to have a very short temper. 46 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.479 The first tutorial session was okay, but he spent five 47 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.120 minutes telling us how important attending his tutorials was. Tutorials 48 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.159 are kind of viewed as optional, as there to go 49 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:29.879 over stuff covered in the lectures. Second tutorial, a few 50 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.680 people didn't show up and he spent fifteen minutes ranting 51 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.080 about their absence. In the third tutorial, even more people 52 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.759 didn't turn up and he spent even longer ranting about it. 53 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.800 After that, my friends and I decided it wasn't worth 54 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:45.240 the hassle. Apparently he ranted about the absentees even more 55 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.560 at the next tutorial, and I'm not sure if anyone 56 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.680 managed to stick out the whole term of tutorials. He'd 57 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.199 also help out in lab sessions and various other course 58 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:56.879 related activities, but everyone found him slightly uncomfortable to deal with. 59 00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:59.759 After the exams, we had a bit of a party 60 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.840 at time someone's house to celebrate. A casual invite was 61 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.280 extended to the lecturers, tutors and assistants who'd been involved 62 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.039 in getting us through the year. He turned up. None 63 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.159 of the other teaching staff did, and, although not entirely welcome, 64 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.520 hung around for a while. When things were winding down, 65 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:17.840 I headed off, but when I spoke to the host 66 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:19.919 of the party the next day, it turned out that 67 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.280 mister angry Tutor had ended up crashing on the living 68 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.599 room floor with a load of the others, except they'd 69 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:27.120 all arranged in advanced to stay over, but it headed 70 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.840 off about half six in the morning. We commented on 71 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:31.879 how audit slash he was, but didn't give it much 72 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.919 more thought until a few months later when he was 73 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.400 arrested for a violent murder involving dismemberment. He turned out 74 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.080 to have a history of violence and a lot of 75 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.400 predatory and stalkerish behaviors. None of that he was a 76 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.800 quiet man, kept himself to himself business. He had obvious 77 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.599 anger issues and made people uncomfortable, and it didn't come 78 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:52.120 as a complete surprise to find out how twisted he was. 79 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.960 I grew up in Fort Walton Beach, Florida, and in 80 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.400 the early nineteen eighties, my friend and I would bit 81 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.680 to the junior food store, convenient store to play Gallagher 82 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.159 every chance we could. There was a weird guy that 83 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.199 would come harass us, who was about two or three 84 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.199 years older than us. We were eleven or twelve. My 85 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:11.680 friend liked to get into fights, so he started calling 86 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.360 him Chalie to fluster him. The dude had a huge 87 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:16.519 knife in his boot every time we saw him, so 88 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.199 I decided to just ignore him. That was pretty much 89 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.399 how it went for the entire summer, and he'd even 90 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.399 play Galagha with us occasionally. It turns out the guy 91 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.759 was Frank Walls. My dad met Charles Manson in Yosemite. 92 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.040 He says that's where a lot of runaways in the 93 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.480 sixties went, so he was probably out there trying to 94 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.519 find vulnerable people. Was walking around with a guitar, offered 95 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.240 to sell. My dad and his buddy Weed also told 96 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:41.920 them that he sold his soul to the devil, and 97 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:43.800 that any man he pointed to right then and there 98 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.800 could be dead in a second if my dad and 99 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.519 his friend wanted them to be. They were a little 100 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.920 freaked out and were quick to get out of Yosemite entirely. 101 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.519 My dad says that they drove for a while and 102 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.839 saw Charles at a stop sign, and it made no 103 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:57.959 sense that he could have gotten there that fast. But 104 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.279 I'm not entirely convinced that my dad was and just 105 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.319 super bag tah. I will not reveal too much information 106 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.959 due to the sensitive nature of this topic. I am 107 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.519 a US citizen who lived and studied abroad in Egypt 108 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.800 during the late two thousands. I attended a large international 109 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.000 school there. Many of the local Egyptian students were quite 110 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.199 wealthy and came from very affluent families. There were several 111 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.480 similar schools around Cairo, and it wasn't uncommon for large 112 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.439 numbers of students to go out for nights on the 113 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.879 town together, mixing and mingling with students from other schools. 114 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.519 One evening, I found myself downtown at a fancy restaurant 115 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.199 with a very large group of strangers. There must have 116 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.160 been at least thirty of us crowded around a long 117 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:40.079 row of tables. For whatever reason, the topic of bodybuilding 118 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.240 eventually came up. I was quite scrawny at the time, 119 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.480 still am to some extent, and asked if anyone had 120 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.360 some tips for working out at Egyptian gyms. The guy 121 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.279 seated across from me said that he would go get 122 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.680 his friend, who was a devout bodybuilder. Met the guy 123 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.879 and we shook hands. He seemed nice enough, if not 124 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.920 a bit dense, talked a lot like soul Vester stallone, 125 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:06.199 fancy smartphone, nice clothes, fresh haircut a bro if you will, 126 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:08.480 gave me a few tips, and went on his way. 127 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.560 I remembered his face and name, but not much else. 128 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.480 The next time I saw him was several years later 129 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:18.600 in international newspapers. I recognized not only his face and name, 130 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.920 but also that most of the articles mentioned his passion 131 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.480 for bodybuilding. His style had changed completely. That man had 132 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:27.959 become one of the most brutal and feared terrorists working 133 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.480 with ISIS, having personally tortured and beheaded hundreds of individuals, 134 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.560 later posting the pictures online and bragging about it. Thankfully, 135 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.040 it is believed that he eventually blew himself up after 136 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.240 leaving a goodbye letter to his family. I was stunned. 137 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.040 The guy seemed perfectly normal when I had met him, 138 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.560 which makes it even more chilling. How did he end 139 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.199 up the way he did? I'll never know. My high 140 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.759 school girlfriend's dad ended up being a murderer, but not 141 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:56.480 a serial killer. His persona was basically cool dad. He'd 142 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:58.360 let my friends and me hang out at their house, 143 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:00.319 didn't bat an eye that I stayed there when he 144 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.920 and her mom went out of town, made drinks for us, 145 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.480 et cetera. But he also had a heart, sometimes sleazy 146 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.959 and definitely risk seeking edge. His wife ran a daycare, 147 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.879 and he kept between ten and fifteen loaded firearms in 148 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.000 the house, and at one point, when he'd had a 149 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:17.240 few drinks too many, he asked me how his daughter 150 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.399 was with a knowing smirk. Five or so years later, 151 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:23.120 her mom had divorced him for being abusive, and he'd 152 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.399 remarried someone much younger and had a daughter with her. 153 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:27.920 He made the news for unloading a clip into his 154 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.360 new wife, reloading and then unloading the second clip as well. 155 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.319 He then put their infant child in the car, drove 156 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:36.759 to the nearest airport, left the infant at the curb, 157 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.279 and hopped the first flight he could to Europe. He 158 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.720 was eventually extradited back, and I think is now serving 159 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.680 a life sentence, but only after the district attorney agreed 160 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:49.160 to drop the death penalty. Looking back, the only really 161 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.720 spooky moment was when her mom caught us in bed together. 162 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.439 They were home and we were decent, but she was 163 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:56.839 really frantic about getting me into the guest room before 164 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.399 he found us and freaked out. Something about the way 165 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:01.519 she used that phrase suggested it would be a lot 166 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.439 worse than just yelling. The dissonance of her reaction and 167 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.680 the questions about his daughter and my sex life was 168 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.000 what stuck with me, like he was asking a question 169 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.680 to justify a rage. One late summer night in two 170 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.079 thousand and two, my girlfriend called me crying. She ran 171 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.319 to the supermarket and had someone following her for a 172 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.079 few minutes on her winding trip home around the Lsu Lakes. 173 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.480 She was house sitting for her aunt in a large 174 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.040 home and got to the point where she did a 175 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.600 lap around the lake and her follower was still there. 176 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:30.639 My roommate and I jumped into his car and raced over. 177 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.840 She described the vehicle as a white pickup truck, and 178 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.120 when we got there, parked on the street one house 179 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.679 away from her aunt's home, was the vehicle. She was 180 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.519 still crying and recounted being followed the elaborate path, et cetera. 181 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.559 I looked and there was a man sitting in the vehicle. 182 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.399 My roommate snuck up in the bushes to back me up, 183 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.840 and I walked about twenty five feet from the vehicle, 184 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.759 standing up on the curb and shouted something I can 185 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.840 help you with and they cranked up, turned on headlights 186 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:00.279 and drove off, giving me a brief glance. He didn't 187 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:02.120 see him in person, but did see him again the 188 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.320 following year when he was arrested for a series of 189 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.840 murders in the Greater Baton Rouge area. And his name 190 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:10.159 was Derek Todd Lee. I worked with a guy who 191 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.720 is a sadistic sociopath and absolutely going to be a 192 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.679 serial killer one day. Over the past two years, he's 193 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:19.919 been escalating his violence against women, assaults, rapes, breaking into 194 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:23.519 their houses to assault them, fraud emptying their bank accounts, 195 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:27.159 and pathological line to everyone. He'll put on the charm 196 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.960 to attract a girlfriend and then systemically increase his abuse 197 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:32.679 until they have a breakdown, usually working two to three 198 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.559 targets at a time, some online while others are in person. 199 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.879 He managed to pull off a catfish marriage and when 200 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.360 the poor girl showed up, he beat her, threw out 201 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.519 her family heirlooms, sold her stuff on eBay, took her 202 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.559 car keys, emptied her bank accounts, and maxed out her 203 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.120 credit card slash line of credit, told her one day 204 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.360 she didn't live there anymore and if she came back 205 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.159 from work that night, he'd have her arrested as a trespasser, 206 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.320 and then fucking did it. He had already started seeing 207 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.600 his next girlfriend when she first arrived to move in. 208 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:02.919 She had to move to the other side of the 209 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:05.840 country after three months. He would go on to rape 210 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.600 another girl who reported it, and he then stalked and 211 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.720 threatened her until she had a breakdown, eventually breaking into 212 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:14.679 her house to assault her again. Although he is facing 213 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.120 charges for the breeches and b and E, nothing has 214 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.879 stopped him at all. He's moving on to new victims, 215 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:22.559 now convinced the upcoming trial is all a plot by 216 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.799 police because they are jealous of him and he's innocent. 217 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.639 His kids are right fucked up too. CPS must have 218 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:30.919 a dozen files on him and somewhere they get to 219 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.120 stay in that house. He's terrible at his job, but 220 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.480 this is the military, so he knows if he does 221 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.039 just the minimum, he won't get booted, at least not 222 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.039 until the trials are done with. Eventually, Yes, he will 223 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.159 go down for what he does, but I can't stand 224 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.159 that it won't be until there are many more victims 225 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.320 and one of them winds up murdered. I have no 226 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.879 doubt it is his goal to kill someone. My neighbor 227 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.919 was a serial rapist. Apparently he used to lure women 228 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.960 over for modeling shoots through Craigslist. He was also the 229 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:02.120 DJ at my local watering hole. I got pretty tuned 230 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.320 up one night and decided I wanted to hear Casey's 231 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.559 last ride. He responded, that's not really the type of 232 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:10.120 music we play here, so I called him a shitty DJ. 233 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.960 I was super embarrassed by my behavior. Later that week, 234 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.200 he got arrested, and I was left with a strange 235 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:19.360 sense of justification for my drunken antics. There was also 236 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.240 a shitload of child porn upskirt videos he would take 237 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.440 at the bar, and a jail cell in his basement. 238 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:29.159 Not me, but my mother. Back in nineteen seventy six, 239 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.200 my mom worked for the City of Pensacola, Florida. During 240 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.200 the graveyard shift, she worked with the computers that did 241 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.759 the utility billing and finances. One computer which handled the 242 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.559 utilities was in the main city hall building. But the 243 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.320 finance computer was in the finance office, which was in 244 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.240 a separate building across the parking lot. She would have 245 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.440 to cross the parking lot frequently to go from one 246 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.200 computer to another. As networking as we know it now 247 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.279 was just a pipe dream in those days, nobody parked 248 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.840 in the rear parking lot at night. She parked in 249 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.080 the front lot. One particular night, there was a VW 250 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.879 beetle part in the lot that she didn't recognize. She 251 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.200 saw the driver of the car sitting behind the wheel. 252 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.200 He appeared to be asleep, so she thought nothing of 253 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.080 it and headed on to the finance building. She came 254 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.080 out of the building an hour later and he was 255 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:17.080 still there. However, he noticed her as she was coming 256 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.440 out of the finance building. He got out of the 257 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.000 car and walked towards her. She noticed he had a 258 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.720 cast on his arm, like he'd been injured. He was 259 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.840 also limping. He called out to her and asked, can 260 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.360 you come help me with something. For a minute, she 261 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.720 had that feeling of dread. Her defenses went up. She 262 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:35.759 said she had to clock back in, but would come 263 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:38.480 right back out. She quickly went up the stairs to 264 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.559 City Hall, unlocked the door and got inside just as 265 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.200 he had approached the bottom of the stairs. She locked 266 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.480 the door back. When she looked out the window in 267 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.720 the door back at him, something seemed off about him. 268 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.039 He had this sinister glare on his face. He seemed 269 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:55.519 to catch himself and reset his facial muscles into a 270 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.639 more relaxed state and gave a big, friendly smile. He 271 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.480 just waved at her and said, take your time. I'll wait. 272 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.000 She got to a phone called the Sheriff's office and 273 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.879 reported a suspicious person outside of the city Hall building 274 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.320 in the back parking lot. She asked if they could 275 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.279 escort her to the other building and make him leave. 276 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.000 They obliged, and within a few minutes a deputy arrived 277 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.399 at the front door. They went out the back, and 278 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.360 when the guy saw my mom coming out with the 279 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.799 sheriff's deputy, he hauled us out of there. The next day, 280 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.840 that same VW was pulled over at a nearby popular 281 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.559 restaurant known for their pancakes, local place, not ihop, for 282 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.480 running a stop sign. And that's how my mom was 283 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.519 one of only two women who got away from Ted Bundy. 284 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.960 I really didn't understand what was happening until a couple 285 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.559 of years later, I got a bit older and understood 286 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.039 what kidnapping and murder really are, which is when I 287 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.200 remembered an incident that happened with my cousin and me. 288 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.039 We were really young at the time. My cousin was 289 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.080 a bit older than I was, and I believe she 290 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:54.799 is the reason I am still alive today. God knows 291 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.080 what may have happened back then. We were in a 292 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.600 small mall in our neighborhood. It was right across the 293 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.279 street from the building we lived in. The mall had 294 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:04.639 more than one entrance, and the back entrance was right 295 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:07.080 across from a school. My cousin and I were in 296 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.200 the play area where we usually go most of the 297 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.360 time in the mall, when a very old man came 298 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.159 to us and asked us if we saw his kid. 299 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.960 Being oblivious to the entire situation, we went walking around 300 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.399 the mall with him trying to find his kid. We 301 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:21.519 got close to the back entrance of the mall and 302 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:23.360 he asked us if we thought his child went out 303 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.480 from here. We said maybe, so we got out and 304 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:28.919 started looking for him. As soon as we got out 305 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.120 of the mall, the school was right in front of us. 306 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.039 Which had school buses parked outside. The old man said repeatedly, 307 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.080 I think I hear something behind the bus. Come with me. Luckily, 308 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.440 my cousin was very afraid and refused to go and 309 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.720 insisted we go back to the mall. After that incident happened, 310 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.360 I didn't think of it at all until an old 311 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.639 man was arrested for kidnapping children. The second I saw 312 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:52.159 his picture, I remembered it all like it was yesterday. 313 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.720 A little late, but my mother and her ex husband 314 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.639 met John Wayne Gacy, apparently, my mother's ex husband before 315 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.720 my father, was a very shady character. He was on 316 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:04.600 his way to becoming a junkie and was a big 317 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.559 time dealer. But Mom says that she isn't one hundred 318 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.399 percent that this story was concerning drugs. I digress Mom's 319 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.679 ex husband is an all around criminal and told Mom 320 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:15.320 that they were going to go collect on a debt. 321 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.120 They get to his house and no shit. He has 322 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.759 the basement blocked off in his concrete mix and construction 323 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.519 shit everywhere. They go into his office where he sits 324 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.320 behind his desk the whole time. Mom says he is 325 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.519 very stereotypically trying to stall her ex who was increasingly 326 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:33.360 growing impatient with the situation. Then John gets a phone 327 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:36.360 call and without hesitation, answers it and kind of starts 328 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.879 blowing off my mom and her ex. I should add 329 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.600 Mom's X was a super dangerous individual who was a 330 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.879 bouncer and bona fidees kicker, so from the jump, Mom 331 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:46.399 is worried that he is just going to beat the 332 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.840 fuck out of this guy. So Gasey is on the 333 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.480 phone looking away, and mom z X slowly walks up 334 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.759 and dramatically takes the phone out of Gacy's hand and 335 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.840 slams it on the receiver and says something cool but 336 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.120 I can't remember, along the lines of give me the 337 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:03.039 money now, motherfucker. Gacy is startled at first, but then 338 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.320 gets this really weird look on his face like he 339 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.000 was trying to look crazy, tilts his head down while 340 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.159 looking at ex husband, then, without saying anything, quickly grabs 341 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.000 a check book from a drawer and writes a check. 342 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:17.200 They leave without incident and seen, she says. After they left, 343 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.639 they were talking about how the guy gave them the creeps, 344 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:21.679 how they could tell he was dangerous even though he 345 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.039 didn't look or act like it. This didn't happen to me, 346 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:28.240 but it actually happened to my father during the seventies, 347 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.679 I believe, when he was in his late teens or 348 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.279 early twenties. He was walking home from work late at 349 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.879 night in the middle of winter in Chicago. A car 350 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.919 pulled up alongside him and with a very distinctive voice said, Hey, 351 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.200 do you need a ride somewhere? My dad replied no 352 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.639 and kept walking. He walked a few more steps, and 353 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:48.759 the car pulled up next to him again, and the 354 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:51.360 man inside said, are you sure you don't need a ride? 355 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.759 It's really cold out. I don't mind dropping you off somewhere. 356 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.559 My dad replied once again, no, but thank you anyway. 357 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:01.519 The car drove off, and my dad didn't think much 358 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.200 of it until a few months later when he was 359 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.160 watching the news and heard that very distinctive voice once again. 360 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.119 The man who offered him a ride was John Wayne Gacy, 361 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.480 one of the most notorious brutal serial killers of all time, 362 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:15.440 killing and sexually assaulting around thirty three young men in 363 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:17.960 the seventies. When my dad heard on the news that 364 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.680 they had caught the killer and that it was indeed 365 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:21.559 the man who offered him a ride that one night, 366 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.799 he couldn't believe it. He had literally looked in the 367 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.480 face of death. I and my mom lived in Park City, 368 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:31.640 Kansas through the nineties. B t K. Dennis Rader was 369 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.400 a compliance officer for the city. Basically wrote citations for 370 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:39.000 property compliance and handled animal control. He came to our 371 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:40.839 house to write us up for not having our front 372 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.920 lawn mode to city requirements. Of course, that was on me. 373 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.759 My chores included keeping the grass mode. Looking back, it 374 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.559 definitely seems odd as the front yard grass wasn't super 375 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.480 out of control or anything. At the time, it just 376 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.640 seemed like a guy who was serious about his job. 377 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.119 I know when he worked as a security installation professional 378 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.039 that he used those opera or tunities to scout for 379 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.519 potential victims. Not sure he used his position as compliance 380 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.839 officer to do the same sort of scouting, but my 381 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.480 guess is that he did. His last victim was in 382 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.960 Park City in ninety one, though his visit to us 383 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.759 was after that. Didn't think anything of it until he 384 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.440 was arrested, and my mom and I eventually realized that 385 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.720 he had come to our house when I was about 386 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:23.400 twelve in the nineties. A nice chap that lived in 387 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.640 our neighborhood would sometimes hang out with us teenagers. He 388 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.480 was about fifty at the time and worked for a 389 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.720 local paper writing on social events. He usually would tell 390 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.359 us histories from the dictatorship era here in Brazil and 391 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.200 some from his early life on the stage. I guess 392 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.880 he was not a serial, but simply a killer. A 393 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.440 few years later we discovered that he had been prosecuted 394 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.240 for the murder of his first wife. Sometime during the 395 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.880 seventies slash eighties. He requested a divorce and she denied it. 396 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:51.559 A few months later, they agreed to try to sort 397 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.559 things out by going on a romantic trip to a 398 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.200 desert beach well. He strangled and buried her, thinking no 399 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.480 one was watching them. The fact is that alone fishermen 400 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:02.759 saw the whole thing, but as far as I remember, 401 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.480