Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell ESPN seven hundred. As someone correctly stated, it
Speaker 1: seems like a team in a rebuild and some things
Speaker 1: were done this past season to potentially manipulate where the
Speaker 1: team would end up in the draft. Lot ofy odds,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately some of that is dependent on luck, and
Speaker 1: the team got a little bit unlucky. So do you
Speaker 1: have a philosophy, what is your philosophy on, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, to be in delicate tanking or
Speaker 1: manipulating minutes and player performance in order to achieve better
Speaker 1: lot of yodds?
Speaker 2: Won't see that this year.
Speaker 3: Yesterday, during Austin Ange's media availability, our very own Sean
Speaker 3: O'Connell the question that has made the rounds.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have reacted to it.
Speaker 3: Our next guest was also present, and certainly we'll have
Speaker 3: some thoughts on that and all things related to the
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz.
Speaker 2: Two time Utah Sports rid of the Year. Sarah Todd
Speaker 2: des Red News, Sarah, Happy Tuesday. How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great? I actually was present, so I should
Speaker 4: I should say that I'm actually in San.
Speaker 3: Diego, So, sir, literally nobody knew that you could have
Speaker 3: just faked it, I.
Speaker 4: Know, honor system. I started to feel bad before I
Speaker 4: even talked.
Speaker 2: That says a lot about you.
Speaker 3: Let's I'm jealous you're in San Diego, but let's get
Speaker 3: your reaction, h And also whether or not you believe
Speaker 3: what Austin had to say that this idea of making
Speaker 3: sure certain players are encouraged to not show up for
Speaker 3: work in order to have the best lottery odds is
Speaker 3: something we will not see from the Jazz next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was just as shocked as everyone else.
Speaker 4: I mean not just from that comment, but through the
Speaker 4: whole press conference. I mean the way that it started
Speaker 4: right off the that like Ryan Smith had some comments,
Speaker 4: Austin said some comments, and then they opened up for questions.
Speaker 4: But literally, like the first thing that Ryan said to
Speaker 4: recorders was, I know everyone's going to probably have some
Speaker 4: questions about like organizations, structure and hierarchy, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: clear that up right now. Like Austin is in charge,
Speaker 4: he has final say, he'll be giving the recommendations to me.
Speaker 4: And so what I thought was going to end up
Speaker 4: being another confusing press conference like it was when Danny
Speaker 4: Ainge was hired, was not like that at all it
Speaker 4: was very clear that they are making Austin Ange the
Speaker 4: most powerful decision maker in the front office, and so
Speaker 4: that was surprising. The second thing was that was surprising
Speaker 4: was that Danny Ainge, by all accounts, did not know
Speaker 4: that this was happening, That they weren't like interviewing president
Speaker 4: of basketball Operations candidates, and that it all happened what
Speaker 4: seemed very impulsively. So that was a second surprising thing.
Speaker 4: And then the final surprising thing was a very clear
Speaker 4: and concise you just play the audio. You won't see
Speaker 4: that next year as it pertains to tanking. And I
Speaker 4: reached out to different people within the organization and kind
Speaker 4: of pretty frankly like asked people like is this real
Speaker 4: or we be just being told what needs to be told.
Speaker 4: And I was told pretty plainly, like, no, this is real.
Speaker 4: Now There's two ways that could go right, Like the
Speaker 4: Jazz could trade away enough players to wear tanking by
Speaker 4: manipulating injury reports and minutes and games played is not
Speaker 4: necessary in order for them to be bad enough, or
Speaker 4: they will just play the roster they have and live
Speaker 4: with the results. But I have but I've been told
Speaker 4: by a number of people that they do not plan
Speaker 4: to tank.
Speaker 3: All right, Well I don't believe Okay, like I don't
Speaker 3: believe them. I don't believe what Austin said to be
Speaker 3: a truthful statement. I thought it was a great SoundBite.
Speaker 3: And respectfully, Sarah, if anybody out there is buying that
Speaker 3: Danny didn't know Ryan was talking to his son about
Speaker 3: this job, I've got a great piece of property we
Speaker 3: can talk about like, there's no way that happened behind
Speaker 3: closed doors either. But let's operate because your sources are
Speaker 3: good as good as any beat writer we have in
Speaker 3: the market. You're connected. So if we operate off the
Speaker 3: assumption and take Austin at as word that next year
Speaker 3: they are going to put their best foot forward and
Speaker 3: not be unserious about competition, you tell me what that
Speaker 3: looks like in your opinion, Because as we've talked about,
Speaker 3: and as you know, they have a top eight protected
Speaker 3: pick next year that if they don't finish in the
Speaker 3: top eight, that pick goes to the team that's about
Speaker 3: to win the world championship. But if they hold onto
Speaker 3: that pick next year, the first round convey turns into
Speaker 3: second rounders the year after. So it really makes zero
Speaker 3: sense to go all in on trying to win. If
Speaker 3: there's a chance that you win thirty two games and
Speaker 3: draft ninth and send that to Okase. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: the smart approach is doing everything you can to hold
Speaker 3: on to that asset, especially based off of where this
Speaker 3: team is in the process of trying to get back
Speaker 3: to relevance. So if he's telling the truth and they
Speaker 3: go all in and they try to win next year,
Speaker 3: what does.
Speaker 2: That look like.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's the difference is I don't believe
Speaker 4: that they're going to go all in and try to win.
Speaker 4: I think that that there is a difference between not
Speaker 4: tanking and trying to win, like there is a middle
Speaker 4: ground there, which is why I believe that if they're
Speaker 4: talking about, like if they're being serious about not manipulating
Speaker 4: the injury report in minutes, I think that you have
Speaker 4: to offload players from the roster in order to make
Speaker 4: it so that you can put your best foot forward
Speaker 4: and still keep that top eight pick. And so that's
Speaker 4: what I think it looks like. I think that it
Speaker 4: looks like you can't just hang on to these contracts.
Speaker 4: I think that the fact that you have quite a
Speaker 4: few expiring deals now means it's probably going to be
Speaker 4: easier to get rid of guys like John Collins Jordan Clarkson.
Speaker 4: I think that it makes it interesting when you think
Speaker 4: about what kind of suitors may come calling for Walker
Speaker 4: Kessler or Lowry Markinen. I think that those are kind
Speaker 4: of more likely than they ever have been to be moved.
Speaker 4: I don't mean that super likely, but more likely than
Speaker 4: they were previously. And so if you are going to
Speaker 4: make it to where the roster is bad enough that
Speaker 4: you don't have to manipulate it in order to keep
Speaker 4: that top eight pick, that feels like what is probably
Speaker 4: going to happen. And I agree with you, and I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure at this point it doesn't even turn into
Speaker 4: seconds like after this year, if the Jazz don't convey
Speaker 4: the pick to Okay, see, the obligation extinguishes. And so
Speaker 4: that's even more of a reason, like don't give this
Speaker 4: finals team a lottery pick, because that would just make
Speaker 4: the Western Conference even more difficult, Like don't reward them
Speaker 4: when you could just keep the pick. And so, I mean,
Speaker 4: it just feels insane if they were to not go
Speaker 4: after that pick. And so if they're going to stand
Speaker 4: by the word that they're not going to manipulate things
Speaker 4: in order to get better lottery odds. As it pertains
Speaker 4: to like performances in minutes, then I would expect a
Speaker 4: lot of trading to start happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, I do think there's a world because
Speaker 3: in my opinion, it's it's Lowry and it's Walker are
Speaker 3: the two players where you've got a little something there. Okay,
Speaker 3: I have questions about literally every other player on the roster.
Speaker 3: So if you wanted to tank and also meet the
Speaker 3: minimum salary floor requirements because you do have to pay players,
Speaker 3: then moving on from Marketing and Kessler and holding on
Speaker 3: to Collins, Clarkson and Sexton is something that you could
Speaker 3: probably look at because do respect.
Speaker 2: To those three that are all good guys.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of situation like John Collins might be
Speaker 3: a perfect vet for a team that's not trying to win,
Speaker 3: even though you know they're claiming they're not going to
Speaker 3: manipulate minutes because he's making twenty six point five and
Speaker 3: while he's been good in spurts, he's i'd have on
Speaker 3: the roster because John Collins is not going to win
Speaker 3: a bunch of games. Marketing and Kessler are good enough
Speaker 3: that if you play them. I don't know, if they
Speaker 3: play sixty five to seventy games, they're good enough that.
Speaker 2: You are going to win games.
Speaker 3: We've seen Lowry be able to do that, and Walker
Speaker 3: is an emerging player in this league. So what do
Speaker 3: you think of the potential of maybe moving on from
Speaker 3: market and Kessler, holding on to the other veterans and
Speaker 3: then playing the young players a grip of minutes that
Speaker 3: could include four new rookies on the roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and it kind of depends on what
Speaker 4: kind of timeline that you're going to be looking at right, Like,
Speaker 4: these are all discussions that are going to be happening
Speaker 4: in the very coming days and weeks with Austin Ainge
Speaker 4: and the rest of the front office. Like the idea
Speaker 4: of if you're moving on from Kessler, who is going
Speaker 4: into his fourth year, and market In who is now
Speaker 4: kind of really entering the prime of his career in age,
Speaker 4: and you're thinking, Okay, we're just going to have like
Speaker 4: the contracts that talking about John Collins concepts and on
Speaker 4: the roster in order to take up money space, but
Speaker 4: banking on young players that we can get this year
Speaker 4: with the fifth pick and maybe next year with a
Speaker 4: top eight pick, then you're talking about an even longer timeline.
Speaker 4: Obviously you'd be getting more picks if you were to
Speaker 4: unload Kessler and market In, and so what are you
Speaker 4: going to do with those What do the trade and
Speaker 4: free agent markets look like down the road two, three, four,
Speaker 4: five years from now? And so if you were to
Speaker 4: move those guys, it feels like an even more elongated timeline.
Speaker 4: If that's what they want to do, and if that's
Speaker 4: what they feel comfortable with it, and we'll be more
Speaker 4: successful with the team. Like I'm not going to say
Speaker 4: that it's not, but just you know, it would be
Speaker 4: another reason to temper the expectations of fans who think, like, oh,
Speaker 4: he came in, he said that there's not going to
Speaker 4: be any tanking. This is it, We're going to go win.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, this actually could be a situation where
Speaker 4: things could take longer than expected.
Speaker 2: On the other side.
Speaker 3: Okay, on the other side, and we'll just kind of
Speaker 3: talk about possibilities, Sarah, because there's no way of knowing
Speaker 3: how this will go. But you know, even Ryan yesterday,
Speaker 3: when Austin alluded to the success that he and his
Speaker 3: dad had in Boston, Ryan said I'd take some of
Speaker 3: that success right now. And Ryan oftentimes in the past
Speaker 3: has you know I heard Ryan talk about a potential
Speaker 3: Christaps Porzingis deal that he thought they had done.
Speaker 2: Bobby Mark's on My show said he was.
Speaker 3: Told that the Jazz had a really nice offer for
Speaker 3: Drew Holliday. Andrew wanted to go play in Boston because
Speaker 3: he thought they could win, and they did.
Speaker 2: He's an NBA champion now. So we know that Ryan.
Speaker 3: Has expressed in the past the desire to bring in
Speaker 3: really good players. I still don't know who the guy
Speaker 3: down there was that uttered the phrase, we are going
Speaker 3: to sign Paul George and trade for mckel bridges, but
Speaker 3: good luck. I mean, that would have been awesome. Obviously
Speaker 3: that was not steeped in reality. But those are the
Speaker 3: desires that certain people down there have. And we are
Speaker 3: entering sarah offseason where Kevin Durant and maybe Jannis and
Speaker 3: maybe Kat and I could keep going. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know what Phoenix does, but they've got a they've
Speaker 3: got a problem where they've got to try to find
Speaker 3: some answers.
Speaker 2: Boston has a really expensive roster.
Speaker 3: They'll probably jet in some players the Jazz do not
Speaker 3: have cap space. John Collins is probably gonna pick up
Speaker 3: his player option. I'll go out of a limb there.
Speaker 3: If he doesn't, then we have a different conversation. Next
Speaker 3: year is the off season where the Jazz have very
Speaker 3: clean books. So next year is the year that I
Speaker 3: think it's more realistic to talk about adding more viable
Speaker 3: pieces and talent to give them a better chance of competing.
Speaker 3: But is there are there avenues for the Jazz to
Speaker 3: add talent this offseason to make next year much more competitive?
Speaker 3: And if you're able to add a couple of really
Speaker 3: good veteran players, add them to these young pieces and
Speaker 3: maybe put a couple of players next to Larry and
Speaker 3: Walker her Is there is that a real scenario for
Speaker 3: the Jazz this offseason to add some really good veteran
Speaker 3: players and actually take a couple of tangible steps forward
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 4: It doesn't. It doesn't feel real. I agree, because even
Speaker 4: if we're talking about, like, you know, some of the
Speaker 4: guys that are on the table right now, like Yannis
Speaker 4: right like why in any world or any scenario would
Speaker 4: Milwaukee talk to Utah about the fifth pick and some
Speaker 4: of the young players that the Jazz have when clearly
Speaker 4: they could have the second pick from San Antonio and
Speaker 4: better young players. I just think that there are better
Speaker 4: deals and better situations that the Bucks would want to
Speaker 4: deal with, Like they're they're not looking to get rid
Speaker 4: of Yanis and be completely in the lurch with someone
Speaker 4: like Isaiah Collier who's not proven and probably going to
Speaker 4: end up being like a backup point guard at best
Speaker 4: at this point with what we know about him. Why
Speaker 4: would they do that if they could just get Dylan
Speaker 4: Harper and you know, Devin Befel or something like that.
Speaker 4: So it just doesn't feel like the Jazz have the
Speaker 4: players and picks that a lot of other teams could
Speaker 4: offer the Bucks right now. But I just can't get
Speaker 4: past the fact that the Jazz are just not in
Speaker 4: a position to be okay with giving up that top
Speaker 4: eight pick next year. It just feels irresponsible to do that,
Speaker 4: and so I don't see that happening. I don't see
Speaker 4: them wanting or willing to just give it up outright
Speaker 4: just to get a few more wins. But I think
Speaker 4: the biggest question is who is ultimately making that decision
Speaker 4: at the end. Right, Like we know that the front
Speaker 4: office hierarchy, what we've been told is that often change
Speaker 4: is in charge, but like every other professor sports team,
Speaker 4: he will make a decision and take that decision to ownership.
Speaker 4: And that is where the true final say happened. That is,
Speaker 4: with every professional sports organization, ownership signs off on decisions,
Speaker 4: and in this case it's Ryan Smith and he is
Speaker 4: He literally tweeted out that he was screaming outside the
Speaker 4: day after the lottery, Like he is emotional and he
Speaker 4: reacts to things as a fan. He is a fan
Speaker 4: of this team that he owns, and so if Ryan
Speaker 4: Smith wants to win, I think that that is what
Speaker 4: is going to push decisions.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the front office hierarchy. I guess
Speaker 3: we can only go off of what we've been told.
Speaker 3: Does it feel like Justin Zanik and Danny Ainge report
Speaker 3: to Austin Ange? Is that is that the gut the
Speaker 3: gut feel, is that kind of how this thing is
Speaker 3: going to play out?
Speaker 4: That's what i' I mean, that's what we're led to
Speaker 4: believe right now. Right And like if they if the
Speaker 4: president of basketball operations job has been open for three
Speaker 4: years and they haven't made any indication that they were
Speaker 4: going to promote justin Zanik, and he has stayed and
Speaker 4: for by all accounts, happily been in the position of
Speaker 4: general manager. And if you're there for three years while
Speaker 4: that job is open, I don't think that Zanik ever
Speaker 4: expected to have that job, you know, but it is
Speaker 4: it is a strange dynamic to have the new person
Speaker 4: come in and have everybody be reporting to them, including
Speaker 4: his father.
Speaker 3: Were you surprised that Danny was not quoted in any
Speaker 3: press releases nor was made available during the media stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm not surprised by that at all. I mean, number one, like,
Speaker 4: it's not shocking that they didn't make him available because
Speaker 4: probably posing some weird questions to him would be uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: So like why would they make him available for that? Right,
Speaker 4: But then also a little unfaired often, right, like if
Speaker 4: he just got hired as president of back of Operation,
Speaker 4: that's like the biggest job in the NBA that he's
Speaker 4: ever had, Like it would feel a little infantilizing to
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, now let's talk to your daddy.
Speaker 3: Okay, the way, if you put it like that, I
Speaker 3: guess I'm on board.
Speaker 2: What do you Okay, let's see how to pose this question.
Speaker 3: If you got Zanik in an honest moment about this
Speaker 3: entire thing.
Speaker 2: And let me start with this.
Speaker 3: We all want to keep our jobs, and there are
Speaker 3: not a lot of NBA general manager jobs out there now.
Speaker 3: Zanik at one point was thought to be the new
Speaker 3: GM in Milwaukee before that went to Horst, and then
Speaker 3: he was elevated after Dennis Lindsay decided he was not
Speaker 3: interested in working for this ownership group anymore. Soultimately, I'm
Speaker 3: sure the bottom line for jay Z is I'm an
Speaker 3: NBA general manager and this is awesome and I love
Speaker 3: my job. But I wonder ultimately how he feels about
Speaker 3: this entire thing where it's clear that you know, he's
Speaker 3: part of the group but not running the show, maybe
Speaker 3: in a way that he thought maybe at some point
Speaker 3: he would be, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like I said, he's known the score
Speaker 4: because he hasn't been given that promotion for three years, right,
Speaker 4: Like if he thought that he was getting it then
Speaker 4: one year or two years ago, then it would have
Speaker 4: become clear, right and so, And I also think a
Speaker 4: lot about Justin's personal life when I think about his position.
Speaker 4: He's been in Utah for a long time, recently had
Speaker 4: a kidney transplant, learned that all of his children have
Speaker 4: the same genetic variant that he has that leads to
Speaker 4: the kidney disease that he has. So like all of
Speaker 4: his doctors are in Utah, you know, his children in
Speaker 4: high school. Like, there's not a lot of personal reason
Speaker 4: for him to want to leave. And if he's in
Speaker 4: a position where staying general manager and continuing to have
Speaker 4: a very lucrative and successful job keeps him in a
Speaker 4: place where him his family are not only happy, but healthy,
Speaker 4: I think that that plays a lot more into Justin's
Speaker 4: decisions and perception on his life then maybe it did
Speaker 4: even two or three years ago. And then in addition
Speaker 4: to that, there are a lot of owners in the
Speaker 4: NBA who are less willing to spend money and less
Speaker 4: willing to keep things to keep continuent. I mean, look
Speaker 4: at what is happening in New York right now, Like
Speaker 4: you know, James Dolan is as sickle as they come,
Speaker 4: and is as horrible as they come, and they're firing
Speaker 4: TIBs after he just the next to the furthest points
Speaker 4: they've been in over twenty years, and so like things
Speaker 4: could be worse, And I think that you know, if
Speaker 4: you're if you're a front office person in the NBA
Speaker 4: and you're serving the landscape, there are a lot worse
Speaker 4: places to be than where justin' zanik is right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're good to bring up the personal side.
Speaker 3: That's something that we fail to do in this space often.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate that perspective.
Speaker 2: I like Justin.
Speaker 3: I'm a Xana guy, and so you know, I just
Speaker 3: kind of wonder how this is all landing with him.
Speaker 3: But yes, we all want to keep our jobs, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure Justin is in that that space as well.
Speaker 3: So you brought up where I wanted to go next,
Speaker 3: which is and I'll start here just to reduct, you know,
Speaker 3: to be reductive and reduce it to really what the
Speaker 3: bottom line is of pro basketball, and that is, if
Speaker 3: you don't have players, it doesn't matter who your coach is.
Speaker 3: If you don't have players, it doesn't matter who your
Speaker 3: front office is, it doesn't matter who your owner is
Speaker 3: if you don't have players.
Speaker 2: And the Jazz don't have players, they don't the Knicks do.
Speaker 3: But what happened today is another example of why New
Speaker 3: York has been treading water for twenty five years. They
Speaker 3: have a petulant owner who's impatient and makes ration, you know,
Speaker 3: irrational decisions without thinking them through.
Speaker 2: And so where I will give the Jazz credit.
Speaker 3: And only time will tell if this is the right approach,
Speaker 3: because again, if you don't have players, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: who your coach is or who your front office is.
Speaker 2: But what Ryan is elected to do will hardy received.
Speaker 3: He's going to receive a nine year runway and he's
Speaker 3: won thirty percent of his basketball games. Tom Thibeau was
Speaker 3: just fired after going to the Eastern Conference Finals and
Speaker 3: winning fifty games in back to back years for the
Speaker 3: first time in twenty five thirty years. So what Ryan
Speaker 3: has elected to do is like the anti Dolean approach,
Speaker 3: and that is lock in a front office, lock in
Speaker 3: a coach, and let's go again. Bottom line, you have
Speaker 3: to have players and the Jazz don't. But what do
Speaker 3: you make of that dichotomy where I perceive to be,
Speaker 3: you know, the wrong approach from James Dolan for years
Speaker 3: to bring in aged, you know, aging overpriced players and
Speaker 3: aren't ready to win, to fire coaches left and right,
Speaker 3: and it clearly has not worked, Can says in New York.
Speaker 2: And Ryan is taking the opposite approach. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 4: I'm long been a believer that like consistency and continuity
Speaker 4: when it comes to coaching is really important. Like it
Speaker 4: is really hard to look at some of the teams
Speaker 4: in the NBA and think, like, wow, that's not part
Speaker 4: of it, right, Like you look at the turnover and
Speaker 4: coaching in Phoenix, the turnover and coaching in Milwaukee, the
Speaker 4: turnover and coaching in Philadelphia, and like now New York
Speaker 4: is going to do it. It's like, what do they
Speaker 4: expect that someone else is going to think that just
Speaker 4: the biggest named coach, you know, Budenholes or Doc Rivers,
Speaker 4: Nick Nurse, you just like rotate those guys in and
Speaker 4: it's going to fix all the problems. Like if we're
Speaker 4: looking at New York, I would say, like one of
Speaker 4: their biggest problems is that, like you know, the Indiana
Speaker 4: Pacers could have played thirteen guys and the Knicks we're
Speaker 4: struggling to play seven, right, Like your bench is Landry's chant.
Speaker 4: I like, I think that there are problems beyond TIBs
Speaker 4: and and you know, Jalen Brunson is the best player
Speaker 4: on that team, and he seems like he had all
Speaker 4: of the conference and TIBs, and so I just like,
Speaker 4: don't understand why you would, you know, cut the legs
Speaker 4: off at coaching and say that that was the problem.
Speaker 4: That wasn't the problem. The players weren't good enough, all right, Sarah?
Speaker 3: Before I set you loose. So let's you get back
Speaker 3: to beautiful San Diego. Have you landed on and look at?
Speaker 3: Of course it depends on who's drafted before five. But
Speaker 3: if the Jazz stay at five, who at this point
Speaker 3: do you believe is best case scenario for them to
Speaker 3: walk away with?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have gone through probably five guys,
Speaker 4: and I am I reserve the right to change this
Speaker 4: in two minutes as well as in ten days, because
Speaker 4: I feel like that's how often I'm changing my mind
Speaker 4: on this. Right now, if he was available, my top
Speaker 4: choice there would be VG Edgecombe. I do really like
Speaker 4: Trey Johnson. I think at this point, like I feel
Speaker 4: like I'm out on Ace Bailey. I just think that,
Speaker 4: like with the fifth pick, you need to have someone
Speaker 4: that is that is going to feel like they could
Speaker 4: be a star. But also if they just turn into
Speaker 4: like a really, really reliable role player, that then you're
Speaker 4: really happy with that. But they have to have like
Speaker 4: starter potential and a little glimmer of hope for them
Speaker 4: being a star. And if you're looking at someone who
Speaker 4: has like the best two way ability there, I think
Speaker 4: it's vja. But I think that's what a lot of
Speaker 4: other people are thinking too, which makes me thinks he
Speaker 4: won't be there at five.
Speaker 2: Well, we are a few weeks away. We'll see what
Speaker 2: the Jazz end up doing.
Speaker 3: Sarah, thank you so much for the time, and Joyce
Speaker 3: san Diego Chatson, all right, Chatson, So Todd covers you
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