WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:13.240 a favorites, so like to say, subscribe and rade it. 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.199 Five Stock and me. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.879 Greatest gone Yesterday and listening watch limb always keep it squatching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.600 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay. 6 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:33.960 Hey, squatch get hears is Cliff here? And of course 7 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:36.799 you're listening to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and very 8 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:39.479 often Bobo. We just got a message from Bobo a 9 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.159 few minutes ago saying to start without him. So hopefully 10 00:00:42.759 --> 00:00:44.960 whatever he's got going, he will get it together and 11 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.039 join us in just a few minutes or in a 12 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:51.079 few dozens of minutes, or perhaps even in this very broadcast, 13 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:54.000 and perhaps not because it is Bobo after all, and 14 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.719 we all love him for these reasons. AnyWho, we're gonna 15 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.079 hop into our guest here, our guest today. Is he 16 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.520 really kind of a man who wears many, many hats, 17 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.000 and all of them look good on him. He's articulate, 18 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:09.280 he's intelligent. He has a whole slew of podcast. Man, 19 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:11.159 I've got one podcast and I don't I barely have 20 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:13.799 time to do that. But this guy's got like three 21 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.319 or four. His name's Micah Hanks. His main podcast is 22 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.879 the Micah Hanks Program. I don't know where he got 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.000 came up with that name. He also has Sasquatch tracks, 24 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.480 purely Bigfoot sort of thing, and some archaeological stuff called 25 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.760 Seven Ages podcasts. He is all over the place, and 26 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:30.640 we are going to be talking about Bigfoot today. We're 27 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.480 gonna be talking about his other interests, and we're also 28 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.280 gonna be talking about u aps. In other words, UFO's 29 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:39.560 some of my favorite acronyms. So we're gonna be talking 30 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.359 to him today about this sort of thing because it's 31 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.799 been all over the news, and from what I understand, 32 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:46.640 I want to get this clarified for Mike himself, and 33 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.040 we'll get to that in the minute. From what I understand, 34 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.159 the reason it's all over the news is directly because 35 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.239 of Micah. So Micah, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with 36 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:58.719 Cliff and sometimes Bobo. 37 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.040 Cliff, how are you, sir? Long time no Sea. I 38 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:03.680 was very pleased to have, of course be able to 39 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.680 spend some time with you up there in Ohio. Recently 40 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:08.639 said Bobo isn't here yet, hoping he will come stumbling 41 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.800 in soon, but again. We've got a great conversation in 42 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:12.560 store and on TAT today. 43 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:14.919 Yeah, it's going to be fine. We have to do 44 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.080 this every once in a while because Bobo is Bobo 45 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.000 and man. And you know what, It's funny, Mike. I 46 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:21.479 was telling you before we came on the air that, 47 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:23.479 you know, I came down to this COVID thing again, 48 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.680 and I've had all this slew of bad luck. I 49 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:27.960 won't go too much into it, but you know, it's 50 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.439 like like my bank account was hacked briefly, and then 51 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.039 I had to miss some opportunities filming with Discovery Channel 52 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.120 because of my illness. And it's just like one thing 53 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:37.360 after another after another, and I'm thinking, what in the 54 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.680 world happened to me? And then I looked back and 55 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:42.000 I said, oh, you know what, I know exactly what 56 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.759 it is. I hung out with Bobo and apparently his 57 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:46.280 chaos is contagious. 58 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.400 Yeah. Well, the other thing too, I think is you know, 59 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:51.960 and I realized this early on after I met you, Cliff, 60 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.759 you and I have a whole lot more in common 61 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.879 than just sasquatch. We're also really busy guys who travel 62 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:59.599 a lot, and busy guys who were travel a lot 63 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.240 who try I have a lot seem to have these 64 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.319 kinds of things follow them. I suppose now, if sasquatch 65 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.800 only would become as evident and follow us as often 66 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.599 as these kind of calamities, I guess we'd all have 67 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:11.840 this figured out, wouldn't we. 68 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.599 Something like that, something like yeah, probably, Yeah, we're also 69 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:17.879 extraordinarily intelligent and good looking. 70 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:22.520 Yeah, well indeed, yes, thank you sir, And that certainly 71 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.039 applies to you so well. Listen, sorry to hear that 72 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.479 you got COVID, and I really appreciate you making time 73 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.879 for the conversation day in spite of that, and like 74 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.039 we mentioned, they're in the intro. Of course, you've been 75 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.080 talking about the UAP thing. The kind of cool relationship 76 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.719 to all of that and everything that people have been 77 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.280 hearing about in the news recently is that you and 78 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.479 I were together when a lot of that was still 79 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.560 in the kind of behind the scenes stage, which is 80 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:46.879 kind of cool. So we kind of have a unique 81 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:47.840 relationship there too. 82 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.360 Yeah, that was the seth breedlove gig A monster what 83 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.599 was it called? Monster something, monster Fest? Monster Fest. 84 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:55.120 Yeah. 85 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:56.599 I'm not good at these names. I'm not good at 86 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.439 people's names or event names. I kind of know where 87 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.840 I'm going, but yeah, the one out there in Ohio. 88 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:03.080 You and I got the right, got our rides to 89 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.080 and from the airport and whatnot, and you're back there 90 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.000 busily texting and apparently you're texting about all this stuff 91 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:09.560 because it was going to drop in the next couple 92 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:09.919 of days. 93 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.080 That's true. Yeah, now I can talk about it. And also, 94 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.280 you know, I'll just say this just because since you mentioned, 95 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.040 of course for your subscribers, some of the sites you've 96 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:20.000 gone out to and some of the footprints you've been finding, 97 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:22.680 let me go ahead and state for the record, I 98 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.079 am now of a mind having seen some of the 99 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.120 photos from those locations. Cliff has shared some of these 100 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.319 images with me. After seeing those, buddy, I'm pretty sure 101 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.480 if anybody is in the running to discover sasquatch first, 102 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.519 you're probably at the top of that list. I mean, 103 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.959 really truly incredible stuff you're finding out there. 104 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.959 Well, I appreciate that, but discover I mean, I take 105 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.199 the John Vndernoggle point, where are the tact where it's 106 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:48.480 the discovery is ongoing and it is happening right now. 107 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:50.160 We're just waiting for the academics to. 108 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.720 Catch up right. Yeah, And you know that's the thing 109 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.480 that fascinates me about both the Sasquatch or the relic 110 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.399 tominoid enigma, and also UAP, you know, the artists formerly 111 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.240 known as you f These are both topics to me 112 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:04.879 that there's been quite a lot of information that is 113 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:10.480 strongly suggestive, maybe without there being you know, unambiguous it 114 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.160 would convince a physicist or a chemist type physical proof. 115 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.959 There's still a lot of data that strongly supports the 116 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.720 existence of these phenomena. And it's like Thomas Kuhne talked about, 117 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.639 and of course, like you mentioned John Bendnogol and his 118 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.319 excellent writings on this, The Discovery the Sasquatch, one of 119 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.399 my all time favorite books he's talking about. You know, 120 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.480 sometimes it takes a whole lot of that data to 121 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.519 accumulate and then all of a sudden, at some point, 122 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.360 a straw breaks the proverbial camel's back and people go, WHOA, 123 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:37.879 what's all this data? People knew about this stuff for 124 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.480 a long time before we actually accepted that it was here. 125 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:42.759 So you're right, I think we're in that phase of 126 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.079 discovery rather than reaching the point of discovery. Both with 127 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:47.519 sasquatch and also with UAP. 128 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.560 Yeah, a bunch of the anthropologists and biologists are going 129 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.000 to their faces will be covered with egg sasquatch egg yoke, 130 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.319 and when the discovery does finally drop with sasquatch stuff. 131 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.279 But in the meantime, all we can do, I think, 132 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.079 as the citizen scientists that we are and the amateur community, 133 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.279 is represent the subject as best as we can and 134 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.519 as honestly as we can. Steer away from the paranormal 135 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.120 stuff as much as we can when it comes to sasquatches, 136 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.519 because it doesn't do anybody any good. Ben and Oggle, 137 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.720 even though he entertained some of those ideas, and he 138 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:20.879 would he certainly spent some time with people who thought 139 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:25.240 these things were paranormal, he was. It is biography, as 140 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.120 he points out, put the best stuff out there first. 141 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.399 Put the best stuff out there, because we don't want 142 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.639 other scientists turning their nose up at the subject and 143 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:37.600 walking away because people are saying they're interdimensional shape shifting. 144 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.360 You if we're writing teleborders or whatever, you got to 145 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:42.000 put the best stuff out there first to get the 146 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.439 highest level of interest from academics. And then if all 147 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.279 that's stuff actually If any of that stuff is true, 148 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:50.560 let it come out later. I don't happen to think 149 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.519 it's true. But if any of it is true, we'll 150 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.040 figure that out later. So let's do the good stuff first. 151 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.040 You know. Yeah, I'm right there with you in fact, 152 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.720 And that's an important point of clarification that should be 153 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.600 made early on in a discussion like this where we're 154 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.240 likely to get into some of the end beyond on 155 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.920 the Bigfoot discussion and with the UAP thing, because people 156 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:10.920 always ask me, they say, okay, so you're, you know, 157 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.600 really deeply involved in trying to get information from government sources, 158 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:17.720 and of course you know, doing the citizen science side 159 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.800 of things with UAP. So you also look at relictomenoids 160 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:25.839 or sasquatch. Are they connected? Do you think they're connected? Well, sorry, folks, 161 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.199 I gotta say I don't. I do not mix these 162 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.720 two fields. I mean, it would be really cool if 163 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:33.839 there was some sort of connection, if sasquatches were Chewbacca pets, 164 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:35.759 you know, that were being dropped off your own planet Earth. 165 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.560 But you know right now there is of course no 166 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.279 evidence that suggests that. And really, I don't think that 167 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.120 we benefit from trying to find you know, and I've 168 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.560 heard people refer to it as a grand unified theory 169 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.480 of the so called paranormal. Why do these things have 170 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.879 to be connected. I don't think they have to be connected. 171 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:53.759 I don't think that we have to see all this 172 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:58.439 as some overarching mystery. I think that uap unto themselves 173 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.800 and then sasquatch to itself, are too you know, fantastic 174 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.720 mysteries without having to be connected. So yeah, I kind 175 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.240 of am in the you know, sasquatches a big ape 176 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:11.199 camp uap. We're not sure what they are. They could 177 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.639 be something extraordinary. Currently they just remain unidentified, but there 178 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:16.879 are no connections between the two. And yeah, like you said, 179 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.600 very well, you know, put the best evidence for either 180 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.360 of those or for any other anomalous phenomena that one 181 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.279 wishes to study, you know, put the best stuff you've 182 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.120 got forward, try and appeal to scientists so that these 183 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.800 topics aren't completely ruled out of hand before they even 184 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.240 have an opportunity to be weighed on their merit and studied. 185 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:39.200 Yeah, and I think that today's psychology for a lot 186 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.279 of people is don't trust the scientists, don't trust the man. 187 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:47.120 We want them involved, We want them involved. I mean, 188 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:48.919 it would be really hard to argue, no matter what 189 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:50.639 side of the fence, or no matter what your take 190 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.200 on sasquatches, happens to be that if you look back 191 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:59.039 people's involvement, you know, like like like Napier's involvement in 192 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.519 the subject in the early nineteen seventies helped the subject. 193 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:07.559 Doctor Meldrum's current involvement helps the subject. Doctor Krantz's involvement 194 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:12.200 helped the subject. We want more scientists, as many as possible, 195 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.919 to give an honest look at the evidence because the 196 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.120 evidence can stand for itself. Things that are true can 197 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.000 take all the scrutiny that people want to give it 198 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.399 and it'll still be true. Most scientists, unfortunately, take a 199 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.759 look at the evidence and point out things like hoaxes 200 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.600 or Ivan Marx's involvement or things like that and throw 201 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.720 everything out throughout the baby with the bathwater. We all 202 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.120 know that hoaxes have existed. It's an unfair take on 203 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.840 the subject to do that, unfortunately. But we want people 204 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.799 to take a good, hard look at this subject because 205 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:46.000 sasquatches are real animals, and the longer you look, the 206 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:47.960 more you'll be able to see that that is true. 207 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.720 Oh yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm very inclined to believe 208 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.200 that sasquatch is a real biological reality. I mean, and again, 209 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.320 this is one reason why I've been so interested in 210 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.440 trying to collect information from you know, federal government and 211 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.879 state government employees. It's not necessarily, in my view that 212 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.360 they are better witnesses in every instance, that they should 213 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:10.039 always be deemed necessarily more credible. But again, you do 214 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:13.720 have in those instances qualified professionals, many of whom do 215 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:17.360 have specialized backgrounds and in their line of work, if 216 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.000 they have made an observation of a good candidate, for 217 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.799 for instance, a relict tominoid. You know, I do think 218 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:25.639 that for those scientists who might have been averse to 219 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:29.639 the idea originally, some of them may find it compelling 220 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:30.960 when they hear will gosh. You know a lot of 221 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.279 people who have worked for government, people who are members 222 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.600 of the armed forces, people who work in law enforcement, 223 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.679 they also have seen these things. So it's not just 224 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.840 you know, again the you know, the drunks and the 225 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.120 hillbillies out there in the hills who claim to see 226 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.360 these things. Know, there are a lot of people, a 227 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.080 lot of qualified professionals, and one reason I think that 228 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.639 that could help the sasquatch topic again is because we've 229 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:55.759 seen that very thing happening, a sort of glass ceiling 230 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:00.320 breaking with unidentified aerial phenomena in recent years. Because let's 231 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.279 just be clear, the government has always collected information about this, 232 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.919 and this has been something that has been a very 233 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.399 contentious element of all that for many years, but since 234 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.320 twenty seventeen with a lot of revelations about to what 235 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.679 extent the government has been involved, and the result being 236 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:21.159 updating of reporting systems and attempts to try and end 237 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.759 stigmas that have prevented members of the Armed Services from 238 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.159 discussing things that they've encountered, experiences, they've had, things that 239 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:33.480 they've observed. It's really kind of helped scientists to say, well, Okay, 240 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.320 there really might be something here. It's really helped them 241 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.159 maybe become more aware of the fact that not only 242 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:42.480 is this data a very large data set, but a 243 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.240 lot of it comes from very credible sources, and hence 244 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.080 more scientists are getting involved. So for my own part, 245 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.200 I'd love to see the same thing happen with sasquatch, 246 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.879 where we get to a point where people say, okay, 247 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.120 you know there is a lot of good data. The data, 248 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.679 even if it's anecdotal, it comes from some very reliable sources, 249 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.519 and therefore we can look at this and we can 250 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.279 say maybe this is something indeed worthy of study. I 251 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.240 think we could get to that point with Sasquatch. We 252 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:08.840 may already be getting to that point. You look at 253 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:10.799 the accellent work that people like Amy Boo with the 254 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:13.559 Project Zoo book effort and things like this. I mean, 255 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:17.159 people are already beginning to engage with the academic community 256 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.000 and they're taking note, they're taking interest. So that's very, 257 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:20.919 very encouraging to me. 258 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.200 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 259 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:34.080 Will be right back after these messages. 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But we're going through the cast and 298 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.039 all that sort of stuff in the garage and going 299 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.120 over some of the evidence and whatever, and which of 300 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:33.720 I believe he found very impressive. I mean, I don't 301 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.279 want to speak for him, but that was my take 302 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.000 on that. And he says, you know, Cliff, there's a 303 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.000 lot of scientists out there that are watching. They are 304 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.960 back there watching silently, sitting there, watching what you guys 305 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:49.159 are doing. And to me, that's that's horrifying because I 306 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:50.679 look around and saying, oh no, I don't want them 307 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.360 to see that stuff, like look at the look at 308 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.879 the way the community, you know, presents itself. Look at 309 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.440 the way that the loudest people are saying the most 310 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.879 ridiculous things and all that sort of stuff. But the 311 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.679 that point you're saying there is well taken because they 312 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:06.519 are interested. So there are scientists, there are institutions that 313 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.600 are interested, which is why we all need to present 314 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.799 the subject in the most dignified, intelligent, sober manner that 315 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:17.080 we possibly can because the loudest, most ridiculous claims, which 316 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:21.200 often get amplified by the media, they don't do anybody 317 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.440 any good, especially our subject and the individuals involved in it. 318 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.600 No, one hundred percent. And again, that's one thing I 319 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.320 really love about the podcast. You guys do again. You know, sane, 320 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:33.879 rational but fun conversations that are engaging. You know they're 321 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.679 getting people interested. I can guarantee among your listenership, I 322 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.279 know those folks you're listening right now. There are a 323 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.799 lot of people former government, current active duty military, scientific community, 324 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.840 a lot of folks out there who are listening to 325 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.120 this conversation right now. You may not be putting your 326 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.919 name out there and getting involved, but we know you're 327 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:51.919 out there, We know that you're interested, and you know, 328 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:53.759 I always just like to put it out to folks. 329 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.399 You know, if you are one of those individuals, if 330 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.759 you'd like to communicate with somebody, you know, like Cliff Orrye, 331 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.559 we always invite you to reach out and your privacy 332 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.919 will be respected if you don't want your information to share, 333 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:07.559 but we do think it's important to be able to 334 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.720 hear from people like that. I certainly do because I 335 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.279 learn a lot from people, especially those in these unique positions, 336 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.879 whether it's you know, employment and government or in the sciences, 337 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.120 when they have had an experience themselves or made an observation, 338 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.360 you know, whether it's a relictominoid or you AP or 339 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.240 whatever else, any kind of unusual or extraordinary phenomenon in nature. 340 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.039 Those firsthand observations by really credible individuals to me have 341 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:32.879 helped me, you know, shape the way I look at 342 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.240 the phenomenon and broaden my opinions about it. And also 343 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.240 just it encourages me too, you know, when I know 344 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:40.240 that there are people out there who have had personal 345 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.080 relationships to this and they say, look, I was your 346 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.639 perennial skeptic and then it happened, this is what I saw, 347 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.279 that encourages me. It just, you know, Cliff, it drives 348 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.799 me to want to look even deeper. And plus, you know, 349 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.159 guys like you and I, our names are already involved. 350 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.200 You know, we've already got our names behind this, so 351 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:57.799 it's too late for us to get out now. So 352 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:59.600 we're happy to go out there and look for the stuff. 353 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:00.360 If others can't. 354 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.079 Well, yeah, and you know, I mentioned earlier Matt Pruitt's book, 355 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.200 and there's a section in there that I was reading 356 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:07.759 and it never really occurred to me before. But he's 357 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.480 absolutely right. And this is from his book The Phenomenal Sasquatch, 358 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.240 where people ask why haven't they found them yet? And 359 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.519 people I hear it almost all the time. I hear 360 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.039 it almost every day in the museum, why haven't they 361 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.240 got more pictures? And I was learning, who is this 362 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.839 they they keep talking about? And Matt Pruit brings up 363 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:28.519 it's the institutions, because people, human beings have this inclination 364 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.880 to basically give away our own power essentially to other institutions, 365 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.079 whether there's the state or the church or the school 366 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:39.400 or whatever like that, they give away our own I'm 367 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.000 I'm not sure what the word I'm looking for is, 368 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.079 but that they look for other people to be the 369 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.319 authority figures so we can believe them, you know. And 370 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:52.319 by having governmental or scientific establishment involvement in the subject, 371 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.720 it satisfies that need for those people who perhaps need 372 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.599 somebody else to validate something for them. They have not 373 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.680 gotten more photographs because of this, or they have not 374 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.160 proven that because of this, and I think that that 375 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.200 in itself is a huge boom to the subject in 376 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.079 the same way. Like, for example, another parallel thing which 377 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.400 I think drives the same point home is for a 378 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.480 long time with say Matt Moneymaker, Matt has always been 379 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:21.359 very very focused on footage, whether it's photographic or video footage, 380 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:23.480 and I'm thinking, well, that's not going to prove anything. 381 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:25.920 And I brought this up with him, and Matt's a 382 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.599 good friend. He's very intelligent. I know what. Perhaps he 383 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.880 rubs people, some people the wrong way, but he's very 384 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.519 logical and he's very very intelligent, hyper intelligence. So I 385 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.160 asked him, so, like, what why are you always so 386 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.759 focused on that instead of actually proving one and killing one, 387 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:42.880 which I don't want to do that either, mind you, 388 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.319 but that's I understand, that's what's going to take right 389 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:47.640 He goes, well, because first of all, he's not going 390 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.279 to kill one either, he's not really a gun guy 391 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.559 or anything like that. But secondly, he says, because photographs 392 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.799 are going to increase public awareness about it, and that 393 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.319 in itself is a good thing because it'll get more 394 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.200 and more people. Because the scientist, the establishment is made 395 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.960 out of the public and so the more people that 396 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.119 are interested, the more enthusiasm there is for the subjects, 397 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.559 the more people thinking that these things are real. Just 398 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:14.319 by default, more people in these institutions and seats of 399 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:17.559 power are going to be interested in the subject as well. 400 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.000 And I think that's that's one of the benefits of 401 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:23.079