WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:04.559 It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:06.320 Boston's new radio. 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:09.240 Well, it's been an interesting day, that's for sure. Thank 4 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:11.240 you very much to call. My name's Dan Ray. We 5 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.039 have an interesting four hours ahead of us tonight. Rob 6 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:17.960 Brooks is back in the control room and we do 7 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:20.519 have lots to talk about. We have four very interesting 8 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:25.440 guests coming up this hour. We're going to deal with 9 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.960 the projection for the new England ski season. I'm going 10 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:32.280 to talk about signs of concussion. I'm going to talk 11 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.560 about a mass lottery toy drive that's upcoming, as well 12 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.200 as a new Celtics lottery ticket. But first we're going 13 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.439 to talk with doctor Kyro Bobinette. She's a physician and 14 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:48.079 public health leader. And doctor Bobinette, welcome to Nightside. You 15 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:53.920 are going to explain to us something called habanula. I 16 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.799 have never heard of. How what's that? How we pronounce 17 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.079 it habenula? 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:00.399 How could I missla? 19 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:01.280 Yeah? 20 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:01.960 Language? 21 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.400 Is that Spanish exactly? 22 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:06.200 I think it's foreign language? 23 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:08.480 And what does it mean? What does it mean? 24 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:09.480 Yeah? 25 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.480 So it's basically a tiny area of our brain that 26 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.200 is controlling everything that we do or don't do, and 27 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.319 it's new information that is you know, really important to 28 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:19.799 our lives. 29 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.560 So so so the word itself is a means a 30 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:28.400 tiny portion of our brain. It's not a word that 31 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.920 we have lifted from another language. It is actually right 32 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:35.760 Spanish origin, uh and it and it talks to us 33 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:44.040 as a haben hula. Habenula is that thela okay ben, 34 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:45.480 how been you? I got it? 35 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:46.280 Now you get it? 36 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:51.920 A biological response fueling stress and motivation loss. So this 37 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.560 doesn't sound like a good thing because it fuels stress 38 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.959 and motivation loss. Yeah, apparently is being evidenced at this 39 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:06.920 point because of post election symptoms. 40 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.439 That's yeah, that's that's the that's the sort of like 41 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.280 practical application that we can see in our lives. 42 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.280 Okay, well, I suppose that our motivation. I assume which 43 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.120 side of the political spectrum. I assume that most Republicans 44 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.520 are not feeling stress and motivation loss. They're probably feeling 45 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.280 enlightened or enlivened at this point from as a result 46 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.400 of all levels. 47 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.520 Yeah, on some levels, certainly, you know, forty nine point 48 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.560 two percent of the country is feeling a really heavy 49 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:41.360 have anilla hit and loss of motivation. It also controls depression, anxiety, 50 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.199 drives addictions. I mean, this is a very powerful, little 51 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.080 tiny spot in your brain and it's just coming to 52 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.360 light now how powerful this area is over our behavior? 53 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.840 Okay, how we feel? Why is it coming to light now? 54 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:59.000 Is it because of this election which which occurred eight 55 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:03.000 days ago, or is this something that that the scientific 56 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:07.919 community of which you are apart has finally located and 57 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.639 identified this lootle portion of the brain. 58 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:16.080 Yeah, it's it's very rapidly being studied in both. 59 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.319 Animals and humans, and about. 60 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.840 Ten years ago had a burst onto the scene with 61 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:26.199 association with depression loss. It is triggered by all kinds 62 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:30.599 of forms of failure, frustration, disappointment in our modern world. 63 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:32.840 If you doom scroll, this turns this part of your 64 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.879 brain on. And if this goes on, if it's triggered on, 65 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:40.919 your motivation is turned off, your dopamine is turned off, 66 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.719 You start to seal withdraw symptoms from an addictive habit that. 67 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:46.280 You might have. 68 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:48.319 All of that is like pain and suffering. 69 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.080 Okay, so it's not we were joking about it being 70 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.960 connected to the election, although there may be some people 71 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 who are impacted by it. So this is a can 72 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:07.159 addition putting a section election issues aside, what percentage of 73 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:14.599 the population at any given times feels this biological response 74 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:16.600 that feels stress and motivation loss. 75 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.199 Yeah, we don't know yet because even though there's a 76 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.000 stacking level of evidence, there's. 77 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.000 Not a lot of studies on you know, being able. 78 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.040 To show the brain in real life. And so we 79 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.680 stick people inside of and rhyme machines and we measure 80 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.879 the habenula hits and the habenula activity and associate that 81 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:40.879 with their life condition. And so it's really just about 82 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.240 you know, it's it's more trigger happy and people who 83 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:47.079 have had difficult lives, who have had trauma in their lives, 84 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:52.639 who are impulsive, who are addicts, like those kinds of 85 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.560 life circumstances, and then those who have, you know, maybe 86 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:00.720 a healthy self image and healthy self confiden is will 87 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:09.079 have more control over that and not be prone to depression, anxiety, disempowerment, motivation. 88 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.680 Loss, that kind of thing. So it's a really important 89 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:11.720 trigger in our brain. 90 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.079 So then the other I have a million questions here, 91 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.040 but I'm going to to a couple because obviously this 92 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.279 is an emerging field. Has there been any study done 93 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:30.160 as to whether or not Americans more I guess potentially 94 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:35.279 victims of this set of circumstances. Are there are we 95 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.000 as a culture? Does that indicate that our culture is 96 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.560 less happy than other cultures? I mean, is this same 97 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:48.560 biological response found in I don't know the minds of 98 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:53.120 you know, Japanese people, or Italians or people who live 99 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.639 sub sahara? Is there is there any or is it 100 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:57.800 just too early to tell. 101 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:02.240 I don't think any cultural studies have been done in 102 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.600 that way, but I will say that it is present 103 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:08.480 in everything from like a little primitive fish to a human. 104 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.959 And so it is a mechanism by which we need 105 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.480 to lose our motivation to keep touching the hot stove. 106 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.199 We need to lose our motivation if something's gonna maybe 107 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:20.279 threaten our life, you know, and we need to stand 108 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.120 down or or take an evasive action, you know. So 109 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.360 it saves our lives. But at the same time, when 110 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.959 we want to be empowered, we want to do something, 111 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.759 this is a thing that gets in our way when 112 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.920 we find that we want to do something but we 113 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:36.920 don't do it. This is the part of our brain 114 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.199 that is accidentally turned on. So the main thing is 115 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.560 that we want to know about, like the election and 116 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.360 all of the social media, and all these things that 117 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.600 might be triggering our habenula to feel dis empowered, to 118 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.720 feel like I can't feel like I'm a failure, to 119 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.839 feel like I'm frustrated, to feel like I'm disappointed, all 120 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.480 those things, because if we just leave it burning, if 121 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.360 we leave it on, then we don't have motivation to 122 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:02.480 live our lives. 123 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.240 Is this in any way, shape or form you talk 124 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.920 about touching a hot stove. Is this in any way, 125 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.519 shape or form related to a portion of the brain 126 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.639 where fight or flight occurs when we're in danger. 127 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.000 Yeah, I think it is. It is the part of 128 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:23.319 the brain that basically encodes being averted to something like 129 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:29.160 like aversion, running from something, hating something, avoiding something, avoiding conflict, 130 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.040 just you know, running through all of that is very 131 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.839 primitive stuff. And it's that's why it's in fish, That's 132 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:36.519 why it's in us. 133 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:42.120 It's a it's amazing to me that you folks in 134 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.399 the medical and public health community can can figure this 135 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:52.040 stuff out. I mean, you know, it's it's it's we 136 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.959 know so much and yet I guess we know so little. 137 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.920 That's that's that's my takeaway. Is that a bad takeaway? 138 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.759 No, I think the most empowering thing to me is 139 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:07.000 that once we know how our brain works in you know, 140 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.120 like there was a time when we didn't know about 141 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.560 our long term memory, or our fight or flight like 142 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.639 you mentioned, or our fear centers or our love centers 143 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.399 like just even you don't have to know brain science 144 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.959 to understand how your brain works. And so knowing how 145 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.319 the engine runs and what stops it helps you as 146 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.199 a person to live and not blame yourself for areas 147 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:32.399 where you might feel stuck, where you might lose motivation 148 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:36.080 because you accidentally maybe you doom scrolled last night, you 149 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:38.480 woke up this morning not feeling super motivated to do 150 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.600 something good for yourself or something that you wanted to 151 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:41.320 do with your life. 152 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:42.879 So it's it's. 153 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.559 Really liberating for us all to know that, hey, it's 154 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.360 not me, it's my heabenulus on I got activated. How 155 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:52.080 can I just turn it off? And there is there 156 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.679 is a way out of the suffering that it can cause? 157 00:08:55.840 --> 00:09:00.360 Can you explain that to us, because yeah, suffering this 158 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.120 we may have buried the lead here go ahead. 159 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.919 Yeah, So in my in my research on people who 160 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:12.720 faced all kinds of life struggles, you know, single parenthood 161 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.919 two jobs, you know, just really hard assault to the earth. 162 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:17.279 People. 163 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.519 Some of them changed their behavior, changed their health, behavior, 164 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:25.200 and their lives for the better, got off medications, did 165 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.240 all kinds of amazing things. And I was super interested. 166 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.320 What do they all have in common? And I looked 167 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.720 for everything. I looked at, you know, do the same thing? 168 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:36.399 Are they trying the same thing? And the only thing 169 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:41.000 they had in common is that they would practical iterate, 170 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.399 like practice like a sport until they got good at it. 171 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.519 And iterate means to tweak, tinker, adjust what you're trying 172 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.480 in order to get the practice to keep going. Versus 173 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.480 everybody else who got you know, sidelined, who got stuck, 174 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:01.360 who'se habnula got hit? Who lost motivation to keep going? 175 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:06.320 Those people used you know, very strict goals and tracking 176 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:11.559 mechanisms that for the most part eventually failed them, and 177 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.000 so then they felt like a failure. 178 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:15.320 So the people who succeeded. 179 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.399 Were iterating and adjusting as they went. And it seems 180 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.759 so natural and so so silly, but it is so 181 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.360 powerful and so important to focus on that instead. 182 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.600 Last question, how can folks get more information? And it 183 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.559 sounds to me like you must have a book or 184 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:36.000 at least some articles written on this subject. You spent 185 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:36.919 a lot of time here. 186 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.879 Yeah, I have a website, doctor kayro Bobinet dot com. 187 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:43.440 I also have a book called. 188 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.279 Unstoppable Brain, which is, you know, the anthology of all 189 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.519 this science and how this all works, and hopefully it 190 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:57.639 liberates people from whatever they are suffering from and also 191 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.360 freeze up their motivation to going and shield their lives. 192 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.679 Give us the title of the book one more time. 193 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:08.519 Yes, it's Unstoppable Brain, perfect. 194 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.720 And available I'm sure Amazon and a fine bookstores in 195 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.559 our neighborhoods. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I've learned a lot, 196 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.799 and it's a challenging discussion for me because I feel 197 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:22.679 that you know so much more about it. I hope 198 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.440 my questions elicited some information that helped the listeners on 199 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:30.000 this one, and if not Unstoppable Brain, your book will 200 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.440 give them more information. Thanks so much, doctor Bubbinett. 201 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:34.639 You were great, Thank you, thank you. 202 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:36.519 Great night. When we get back on to talk about 203 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.080 something that I guess all of us can relate to 204 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.759 here in New England, and that is what's going to 205 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.639 be like this winter for the skiers and the snowboard 206 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.039 is going to be talking with Matt Peppe of the 207 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.600 Boston Globe Sports editor right after this on Nightside. My 208 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:49.399 name is Dan Ray. 209 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.279 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 210 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.519 Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. 211 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:59.799 Well, it's a little colder in New England today, which 212 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.639 means that winter is coming a little slower than normal. 213 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.519 With us is Matt pep and Boston Globe Sports Editor. Hey, Matt, 214 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:06.799 welcome to Nightside. How are you? 215 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.120 I'm doing well, Thank you, Thanks for having me. 216 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:10.799 So. 217 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.440 I know you're not a meteorologist, but you follow a 218 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.000 lot of the winter sports. So the question that a 219 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.799 lot of skiers and snowboarders are having, I'm sure is 220 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.840 when is winter going to arrive and what's in store 221 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.840 for New England skiers and snowboarders. I think you've taken 222 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:29.919 a look at that, correct. 223 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:32.960 Yeah, that's right. We had a story that I wrote, 224 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.480 the published today and it was all born over. I'm 225 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:40.320 born from my uncertainty about what to expect. You know, 226 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.879 I really can't answer your question about when winter's going 227 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.200 to come, because, like a lot of people, I think 228 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.080 I'm sitting with fingers crossed and hoping and praying that 229 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:51.960 it's better than last year. But it was just you know, look, 230 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.279 I've been through I've lived in New England all my life, 231 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:59.919 and I've seen warm winters before, but this pattern lately 232 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.120 has become really concerning. And that was, you know, that 233 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:04.519 was the gist of what I was trying to get 234 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.840 at my real life experiences, and I added in some 235 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.000 you know, some reporting from data and meteorologists and other 236 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.840 sourcing to kind of round it out. 237 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.000 Yeah. I think that all of us know that in 238 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.399 New England that sometimes we've had, you know, I think 239 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.960 of the winter of twenty fourteen fifteen when it didn't 240 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:27.480 snow all, you know, throughout the entire month of November, 241 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.480 December and half of January, and then it just didn't 242 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.960 stop snowing. You remember that winter. I'm sure I remember 243 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.279 the winter the Halloween snowstorm, which was a big snowstorm 244 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.320 on Halloween. This has got to be probably twelve or 245 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.600 fourteen years ago, and then we didn't have any snow 246 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:45.320 for the rest of the winter. So New England is 247 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.080 not predictable, but we like to think of it as 248 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.200 a courier or inn ives a sort of winter that 249 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.799 we get a little dusting in February, then we get 250 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.360 a couple of pretty good sized ones, and in December 251 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:01.600 everything looks nice for the holidays, and boom, here's January winches. 252 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.200 Just not that traditional anymore. Again, I don't want to 253 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:10.000 get into the whole question about climate change, but we've 254 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.519 had these winters. Now, I guess how many days has 255 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.879 it been since we've had a big snowstorm here according 256 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:17.360 to the article that you wrote. 257 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.639 Yeah, like seven hundred days in Boston. 258 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.720 And how do you describe I mean, we did have 259 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.840 some snow last winter, yeah, a little bit, but we 260 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.759 didn't have a blizzard. Is that? I mean, what was 261 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.240 the biggest snow we had last winter? Six seven inches? 262 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.879 I mean I don't even think it was that because 263 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:40.159 the measurement gauge is four inches, Like a measurable snow 264 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.399 of four inches is what counts as a storm. So yeah, 265 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.399 I didn't include that little detail, but I know I 266 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.679 looked it up prior to the writing, and it just 267 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.759 feels like, yeah, like I don't recall anything. You know, 268 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.000 certainly up north I went through, uh, you know, some 269 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.120 some pretty decent snowfall. But again, that's you got to 270 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.279 you gotta drive. You gotta be willing to, oh the 271 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.600 distance to kind of pursue this passion that is skiing, 272 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.159 and you know, for those of us who have the 273 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.320 bug for it, it's hard to uh, hard to ignore. 274 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.600 Well, there's some there's some nice ski areas here in Massachusetts. Uh, 275 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.000 you know, we think of the Shover and even you 276 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.840 got the Blue Hills ski Uh but but but people 277 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.639 obviously want to get up north. So is this a 278 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:27.200 problem that's affecting Massachusetts more than it is New Hampshire 279 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.600 and Vermont with the ski seasons and the snowboards boarding 280 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.960 last winter in New Hampshire and Vermont less adversely impacted. 281 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.200 Yeah, well, I think especially around the city and uh 282 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:42.200 and sort of like the you know, from Worcester east 283 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.679 to Boston. I think those ski areas didn't do anywhere 284 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:47.720 near as well. You know, on the Berkshires was pretty 285 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:50.799 good and what choose it out west of Worcester. You know, 286 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.799 I had a pretty good season, but the days were 287 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.279 just so inconsistent. You know, you'd have time to make 288 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.480 snow and then and they'd bulk up, but then it 289 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.360 would rain and it would all freeze and would be 290 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.879 like boiler plate ice, which is no fun. I know, 291 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.080 I canceled at least two trips knowing that, you know, 292 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.720 if I got there, it would just be I would 293 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.320 bring my ice skates for would be better, more useful 294 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:13.240 than skis, you know. 295 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.919 So what, I'm sure that in the article you must 296 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.639 have talked to some of the the ski operators, you know, 297 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:26.000 in the big the big ski areas for mont in 298 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.919 New Hampshire. Are they as concerned or are they looking 299 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.600 at it and saying, hey, this actually news to our benefit. 300 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.879 We're going to get more folks from Massachusetts to come north. 301 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.159 Is there a young and a yang here? I guess 302 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:39.159 is what I'm fun to ask. 303 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.240 You know, I did not actually talk to did not 304 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.240 actually talk to ski area operators. This was mostly written 305 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.799 from personal experience. From that standpoint. It was a travel 306 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:53.120 piece that the Travel section asked me to do. But coincidentally, 307 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.919 this weekend is the big Snow Expo in Boston, which 308 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.440 I'm really eager to go to. And uh and I 309 00:16:58.519 --> 00:16:59.960 do plan to talk to a lot of the op 310 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.320 raiders about, you know, their outlook for winter and how 311 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.599 they how they are planning, you know, to meet the 312 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.119 challenges that are ahead. I mean, it's it's pretty real. 313 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.119 It's pretty obvious. A lot of people agree on that, 314 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:16.200 and uh, you know, we're just blessed that technology has, 315 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:20.839 uh has given us really amazing snowmaking because I think 316 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.920 without snowmaking in the East, I can't even imagine what 317 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.440 would happen. You know, I can't imagine many of the 318 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.079 Massachusetts areas would open, and you know, certainly not the 319 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.960 Connecticut or Rhode Island area. Up north. You know, a 320 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:37.079 place like Jay which has its own little micro climate, 321 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.079 and it's this great little environment that is affectionately known 322 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.920 as the j Cloud, which dumps all kinds of snow 323 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.319 up there. You know, I feel like I feel like 324 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.440 that place is going to outlast me for sure in 325 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.079 this world. But uh, others, others I have my doubts about. 326 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.599 Okay, Well, my last question, since you mentioned the East, 327 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.720 is this a problem out west in Colorado? When in 328 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:01.359 Utah and places like that as well, or they had 329 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:04.960 fairly consistent snowfalls if you know they have. 330 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.799 Yeah, I follow skiing all over the world. I'm really 331 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.559 interested in, uh, you know, the big places, and I 332 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.839 can see that they're that they're good. The people I 333 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.400 know who have been to Utah and Colorado and places 334 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.640 like that. Are you know, they come back raving and 335 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.480 you know, always saying that, you know, they're reluctant to 336 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.039 ski again in the Northeast because of the experiences they've 337 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.480 had elsewhere. But you know, but Europe has had its 338 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.319 challenges too, so it's not it's not only a New 339 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.720 England problem, but it feels acute. You know. 340 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.319 Well, I'm suspect I suspect that we're gonna we're going 341 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.960 to get a follow up piece from Matt Peppin of 342 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:47.160 the Boston Globe after the Snow Expo coming up, so 343 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.839 we'll keep our eyes peeled for an update. Matt. I 344 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.880 appreciate sharing your anks with us tonight and and I 345 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.640 hope that that it turns around for everyone in New England. Hey, 346 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.039 you know, nobody likes, uh, you know, having a shovel 347 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.119 snow and nobody likes having a drive in it. But 348 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.920 it's part of life, and it also is really important 349 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.119 to the quality of life for people who are skiers 350 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:10.799 and want to get out there on the trails. So 351 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.200 we're rooting for you, and I'll look forward to the 352 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:16.000 follow up. I'm sure you're going to have a follow 353 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:17.359 up and I'd love to maybe talk to you in 354 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.519 a couple of weeks after the snow Expo and see 355 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.079 if you're a little more optimistic fair enough. 356 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.720 Yeah, that's great, that sounds great. I can remember going 357 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.279 one year on November twenty ninth was the earliest I went, 358 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.200 and I doubt that's going to happen this year, but 359 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:33.279 definitely let's catch up again. 360 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.480 Sounds great, Matt Peppin and the Boston Globe, Boston Globe 361 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.519 Sports editor appreciate it. Matt. I'm sure our skiers were 362 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.680 very interested in your analysis, and let I really would 363 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.839 like to follow up. Thanks again. Are you welcome? 364 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:46.960 Man. 365 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:48.279 We're at the bottom of the hour here. We get 366 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.240 the newscast coming up at eight thirty. We're about a 367 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:51.880 minute or so late, and we'll come back. We're going 368 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:57.279 to talk about an indication of concussion. I've heard about this. 369 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.880 We're going to talk with the Mass General Hospital, Brigham 370 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:05.240 Mass General Brigham Hospital brain injury specialist and senior author 371 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:08.480 of a study that basically says shaking the head could 372 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.599 indicate a possible concussion. You've seen it with some of 373 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.799 the football quarterbacks who have been concussed, and I suspect 374 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.720 that that is where most of us. We're going to 375 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.759 talk with the real expert right after the break here 376 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.640 on Nightside this WBZ in Boston ten thirty and your 377 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:25.559 am Don. My name is Dan Ray. You can always 378 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:27.599 get us on the iHeart app. All you have to 379 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:31.240 do is download the iHeartRadio app for free. It's for 380 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.839 free and you can listen to WBZ three hundred and 381 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.680 sixty five days a year, twenty four to seven every day, 382 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:41.160 and of course always listen to Nightside to Midnight every weeknight. 383 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.039 Right here on WBZ Boston. 384 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:49.319 It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio. 385 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.119 Okay, now we're going to talk about something that if 386 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.680 you're a football fan, you know a lot about, but 387 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.799 you don't know as much as my guest, next guest, 388 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.880 and that is concussions. My guest joining us is doctor 389 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:11.400 Dan Doctor Daniel Denishfah. He's a Mass General Brigham and 390 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.799 Women's Hospital brain injury specialist and senior author of the study. 391 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.640 I've heard a little bit about this, doctor Dan Ashfhar, 392 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:23.400 but tell us about it. I think when the quoterback 393 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.759 for the Dolphins was concussed recently, he had some head 394 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:31.319 movements that were commented upon, I assume those are the 395 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.359 head movements that you have been studying for some time now. Correct. 396 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:35.440 Welcome to night side. 397 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:38.759 Welcome, were glad to be here, So you're exactly right. 398 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.440 So two times of Yola, and he had a concussion 399 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.039 a couple of years ago. It wasn't diagnosed, and since 400 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:49.480 then he's been on this path of getting concussion after concussion. 401 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.519