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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, Welcome to Secret Murders podcast and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us again. Today I'm chatting with Pamela Niery Harbord,

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<v Speaker 1>development manager at fraser Borough. Hi Pamela, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Seafood Matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Jim. Thank you very much for having me on

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you very much. Looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot a lot of great day times

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<v Speaker 1>with the broch and yeah, yeah, no, it's both up there.

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<v Speaker 1>My one of my favorites, good friends, a lot of boats,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of factories have dealt with there in the

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<v Speaker 1>past over the years. Before we get going, I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to assure our listeners that I'm not getting this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of an all post of old age from my podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know whatever we've said about Fraser Burra Harbor,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the bro hardware.

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<v Speaker 2>We susually are just the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same as Peter hed Aberdeen Week and lyric. So here

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<v Speaker 1>we go thick it off. What does the typical day

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<v Speaker 1>look like for a development manager at a busy, bustling

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<v Speaker 1>harbor like Fraser.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question, so I would say it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on the time of year what a typical day looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>So For example, in the spring, I will be finalizing

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<v Speaker 2>maybe grant application projects, so I could have been working

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<v Speaker 2>on them for quite a few months. In the autumn

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<v Speaker 2>I could be away art conferences and exhibitions. So it

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<v Speaker 2>really does depend on the time of year. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would say it's quite a varied job. You're engaging with fishermen,

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<v Speaker 2>with other stakeholders, with local and the Scottish government and

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<v Speaker 2>the UK government. You're working with economists, specialist engineers and consultants.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's incredibly varied. It's unlike any other job I

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<v Speaker 2>have ever had in wildlife, and it's quite it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>thought provoking at times. It can be challenging, it can

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<v Speaker 2>be emotional because you're looking to do big things for

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<v Speaker 2>your port and that is not an easy thing to achieve.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of people engagement with it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be a lot of people dependent on it as well. Harbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Fraseburgh, I've done a little bit of my

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<v Speaker 2>own economic analysis on this. So Frasbrough as a community

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<v Speaker 2>has around twelve and a half thousand people, around seven

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<v Speaker 2>and a half thousand of them are economically active, and

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<v Speaker 2>just last year went through a huge spreadsheet of jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Fraser Brat and A worked out that I

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<v Speaker 2>would say a third of Frazerbruy's jobs are directly connected

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<v Speaker 2>to the harbor, and up to half our direct and

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<v Speaker 2>indirectly connected. So it's a really I often say I've

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<v Speaker 2>got one of the most important jobs in the brough

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<v Speaker 2>because we all need the harbor and we're all relying

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what before we're go any further. Pamela,

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<v Speaker 1>I love your accent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's I would say. My brokeness is torn down

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<v Speaker 2>today a little bit. So this is my posh voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful, don't get too don't get too push. Every part

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<v Speaker 1>is identity. What's you think the unique character and spirit

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<v Speaker 1>about the bro Oh, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is such a good question. Probably when I'll never be

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<v Speaker 2>asked again. I would say that we're quite ambitious, but

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<v Speaker 2>we keep our light under a bushel a bit too much.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this is not just the harbor, but

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<v Speaker 2>actually us as a community. Someone once said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>brought her to just get on with things yourselves, and

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<v Speaker 2>you did not really ask for help. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that has been us for you know, generations. So

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that's very much the phrase for a

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<v Speaker 2>harbor personality as well. We try to be very respectful

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<v Speaker 2>of the fishermen and everybody that uses the harbor, and

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<v Speaker 2>we very much take a like a long term kind

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<v Speaker 2>of view. I don't know what the way of saying

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<v Speaker 2>that for a personality is, maybe long term perspective, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're here just as temporary custodians to make

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<v Speaker 2>the harbor better for the future. So we've definitely got

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<v Speaker 2>a long term perspective. And if you were in our meetings,

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<v Speaker 2>in our regular rasis, you would hear that from us

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Anders survived centuries of changes. Are there any big

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<v Speaker 1>challenges support has overcome and still shapes it would operate today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say Fresber has been a harbor for

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred years and a trust port for over two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and for anybody who doesn't know a trustport, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a not for profit, but it's it's it's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>not for dividend. Nobody, no one individual or group of

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<v Speaker 2>companies owns Fresborough Harbor and there are trusports up and

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<v Speaker 2>down the coast of Scotland. Everything every bit of profit

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<v Speaker 2>that we make we invest back in the harbor. For

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<v Speaker 2>the future, and so I would say they're very expensive

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<v Speaker 2>to run and maintain. And we've spent quite a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time behind this scenes trying to adapt the harbor

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<v Speaker 2>over the generations. So Fresbury was there was a herring boom,

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<v Speaker 2>as we all know, and Fresbury really grew and adopted

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<v Speaker 2>at that time, and a lot of what was built

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<v Speaker 2>was because of that, the ballaklava, breakwater and pears and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that kind of stuff. Nowadays, it's it's still

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<v Speaker 2>about changing for the industry and particularly the fishing industry

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and how it's changed. So boats are, they're larger,

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<v Speaker 2>they're deeper, they're wider, and the harbor needs to keep

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<v Speaker 2>up with that, or to try to keep up with it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the challenge is, and I think that was a

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<v Speaker 2>challenge of the past as well, that everything changes faster

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<v Speaker 2>than harbor's can keep up, because it takes a long

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<v Speaker 2>time to develop a harbor. So one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>challenges is trying to see into the future and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we are planning for that and developing for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you think when you the heir goes

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<v Speaker 1>bark to my even my own grannie on my father's side.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a fish wife and went from Eric to

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<v Speaker 1>the bro right down to the lowest off over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the year. And as was obviously I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking to her now. They were so happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, now Grannie was. I got in quin as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm the third generation of my family to work

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<v Speaker 2>at Raisborough Harbor too, So I think I can connect

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<v Speaker 2>really well with what you're seeing there, or try to.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I've never been at sea, and I've never been

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<v Speaker 2>I got in crying myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you think of the bear what they

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<v Speaker 1>did the bear Hams as well, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Not toughing off for that, tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for sure. Looking ahead, what do you see is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest threat to traditional fishing ports and do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel the bra can turn that into opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what we're trying to do. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think the challenges that we're faced as a port in

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<v Speaker 2>the future are the challenges that we're faced in the

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<v Speaker 2>recent past. Boats continue to change that the industry is

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<v Speaker 2>under a lot of pressure in many areas, costs, spatial squeeze,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to we have to try and modernize and

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<v Speaker 2>adapt so that fishing, which actually is Freezebera's number one

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<v Speaker 2>business remains that way, and that is why we're looking at,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all of the things that we do in

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<v Speaker 2>the future. So with a management team of just five people,

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<v Speaker 2>and we regularly discuss what projects we're working on, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's from the very biggest of expanding the harbor to

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<v Speaker 2>looking at whether we need a new wench near the

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<v Speaker 2>fish market. You know, we look at everything that we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing and planning. We plan it out in advance. We

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<v Speaker 2>look for ways to prioritize the projects that we work on.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a kind of set of a criteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it work for the fishermen, does it generate income

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<v Speaker 2>for the harbor, does it reduce costs for the harbor?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how we prioritize what we're doing. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if I'm answering your question, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're doing it well, and I'm as I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you've sold it to me anyway. I could listen to

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<v Speaker 1>your accent all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll see what everyone else thinks.

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<v Speaker 1>All our listeners are fully aware of the punishing life

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<v Speaker 1>can be at sea. Does the Brock have the infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>and services that makes it difference for the crews as

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<v Speaker 1>they come in to tie up.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, I've never been at sea and I can never

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<v Speaker 2>I can never fully understand what a fisherman goes through,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think the things that they want or here

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<v Speaker 2>in Frasburgh we have an incredibly good location for the

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<v Speaker 2>fishing grounds. We have a modernized our fish market so

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<v Speaker 2>to meet the needs of the buyers and the fishermen.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a best in class vessel repair and maintenance

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<v Speaker 2>facilities here, a shiplift, a dry dock, so we have

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<v Speaker 2>everything here in Freysbury because that's been built over generations.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we would ideally like to do is

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<v Speaker 2>we would like for our fish market, which has become

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<v Speaker 2>more tidal, to be twenty four to seven again. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of the things that we're trying to work

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<v Speaker 2>on to make sure that they have what they need.

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<v Speaker 2>A fisherman, I think when they get home the lander,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to land our fish and they want to

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<v Speaker 2>go home as quickly as possible. Fresborough has more fishermen

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<v Speaker 2>I think than any other community in Scotland. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's over seven hundred, so hopefully we can give them

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<v Speaker 2>the services that we need just by being here and

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<v Speaker 2>working on what it is that they need in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it works, Pamela, because fisherm and unfriendly,

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<v Speaker 1>we're here and still keep in contact with Just say

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<v Speaker 1>they're landing in Scrabster can look if they're fishing northwest

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<v Speaker 1>in the deep water and that, and they'll maybe land

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously fuel prices now, they'll they'll know, they'll want

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<v Speaker 1>to land the nearest port and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>if for anything, like to say they're needing the job done,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a brock. They're going to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So my dad was a skipper and when I

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<v Speaker 2>said I was coming to work at the harbor, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things he said to me was that the

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<v Speaker 2>Freesbury is best in class for boats repair. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>a term that I have used ever since I started,

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<v Speaker 2>because we often say anything that you need for a boat,

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<v Speaker 2>you can find it within five hundred meters of freeze

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<v Speaker 2>for a harbor, and the work is incredibly well done.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a really good statement for Freeeseber

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<v Speaker 2>and just echoes. What you've just said is the perception

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<v Speaker 2>of us as well, and we tried really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>work on that and keep it going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good harms as well get good jobs done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you maintain open sort of relationships with fishermen to

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<v Speaker 1>let them feel heard when decisions or maybe made.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to so, and we do it in a variety

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<v Speaker 2>of ways, so starting at the top, if you like.

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<v Speaker 2>As a trustport, we have a board of commissioners. We're

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<v Speaker 2>all volunteers. We have two fishing commissioners right now, so

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<v Speaker 2>we have a whitefish prawne commissioner and a pologic one

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So they are one of the first sports

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<v Speaker 2>of golf, I feel like for speaking to the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>We also try to maintain good relationships with Ian Gott

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<v Speaker 2>now Hannah at the Plagic Fishermen's Association, and the same

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<v Speaker 2>with Mike Park at Esterweer, and of course there's the

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<v Speaker 2>fishermen themselves. So recently I have been phoning the fishermen

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<v Speaker 2>I try to speak with them one to one. We're

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<v Speaker 2>always at the fishing exhibition it's gip Our Expo, and

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<v Speaker 2>I always use that as an opportunity to get them

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<v Speaker 2>to give us feedback. So this year we had a

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<v Speaker 2>survey and the very first question is how are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>So that was for them to tell us what they

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<v Speaker 2>And of course there's the other organizations that work for them,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's their auctioneers and there's the buyers as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's just so many different opportunities to try and

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<v Speaker 2>connect with them. It's not just me. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>an adeputy superintendent. The harbor master is responsible for everything

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<v Speaker 2>that happens on the water and the safety and the port,

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<v Speaker 2>and the harbor superintendent is responsible for everything that happens

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<v Speaker 2>on concrete. So together we're always trying to speak with

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<v Speaker 2>and be supportive of the fishermen as well and make

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<v Speaker 1>That's very impressive. And yeah, no, it's I know the

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<v Speaker 1>people you're talking about as well. And the harbor master

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<v Speaker 1>is such a responsible job. Oh why And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any harbor I've been in, you don't argue with the

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<v Speaker 1>go against that, if there were any accident or anything

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<v Speaker 1>happened and you didn't go by what the harbor master

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the harbor master that you know, you say

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<v Speaker 2>has the ultimate responsibility. But we try to work with everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. If you can upgrade or change any of

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<v Speaker 1>the poor infrastructure to make fishermen's lives easier, there anything

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<v Speaker 1>that look come to your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, immediately. I this is my life. So I would

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<v Speaker 2>like deeper water at our fish market, but in order

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, we would probably need a breakwater extension.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's one of those things. Ultimately, I want the

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<v Speaker 2>fishermen to have twenty four to seven access to freeze

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<v Speaker 2>for at all times into the fish market. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>just the number one thing for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought it was. I like the way you

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<v Speaker 1>approached that, and the only thing you missed was the

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<v Speaker 1>blue Peter fashion. And now for.

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<v Speaker 2>Something prepare I wish, I wish.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful. Can you walk it through the Brons master Plan

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<v Speaker 1>of diversification?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Sure so. Our vision for Frasebraw is for it

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<v Speaker 2>to be a resilient trust port and a dynamic economic

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<v Speaker 2>enabler that makes a major contribution to the community and

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<v Speaker 2>the region and ultimately delivers prosperity for everybody in Fraserbra.

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<v Speaker 2>The master plan is about expanding Frasebrow by almost fifty

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<v Speaker 2>percent in size, because, as we've already spoken about, the

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<v Speaker 2>industry has changed, boats have changed, and Frasbrah hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>able to keep up with that so far. We need

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<v Speaker 2>deeper water, we need wider entrances for fishing, but we

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<v Speaker 2>also need to diversify and welcome new industries that are

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<v Speaker 2>operating around Freesburg as well, because by diversifying we create

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<v Speaker 2>a more resilient business, because the harbor still is a business,

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<v Speaker 2>and by diversifying our income streams, that actually helps us

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that Fresbra is fit for everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>uses it, including and most importantly the fishermen.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a lot of key space.

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<v Speaker 2>We have, but we're very busy as well, so and

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<v Speaker 2>what we are very what's word I'm looking for. We're

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<v Speaker 2>like a Victoria in harbor, so there's lots of little

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<v Speaker 2>littler basins, but actually we would really benefit from a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger basin that can take deeper drafted boats and that's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the master plans. So it would be a

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<v Speaker 2>new basin designed for commercial activity and that could be

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<v Speaker 2>an energy, it could be crewis, it could be cargo,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be decommissioning. But we've also in the master

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<v Speaker 2>plan and got plants to deepen faith Lea Harbor, which

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<v Speaker 2>is where the fish markets are wide in the entrances

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<v Speaker 2>to faith Lee into the Balla Clava and the Ballaklava

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<v Speaker 2>is where I think nine or ten of Scotland's plagic

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<v Speaker 2>fleet live and they are squeezing in there. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some videos I think on YouTube that really needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be improved for them as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's very honest and open. Can you use the

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<v Speaker 1>misconception and explain why expanding your horizons actually protect and

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<v Speaker 1>preserve the brox Core fishing heritage.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, so the industry has changed and there are like

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<v Speaker 2>we all know, there are fewer boats in there cutching.

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<v Speaker 2>They're more efficient. The fishing industry on its own isn't

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<v Speaker 2>really enough to maintain the harbor anymore. It's harbors have

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<v Speaker 2>become incredibly expensive to maintain. And so to put that

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<v Speaker 2>into context, before I started, my colleague John, they worked

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<v Speaker 2>on protecting part of the North Breakwater, which protects a

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<v Speaker 2>whole harbor, and it actually protects the town as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We then worked in another project to protect another section

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<v Speaker 2>and to reinforce it, and the price went up by

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<v Speaker 2>three times. So when he did it the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was around half a million. By the

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<v Speaker 2>time we were doing it, it was well over a

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<v Speaker 2>million pounds. So that just shows the context and the

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<v Speaker 2>costs that we have in trying to maintain it as

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<v Speaker 2>a harbor. If we diversify, for example, in our gear crewise,

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<v Speaker 2>we then bring in more income to the harbor, and

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<v Speaker 2>that means that we have more money to invest in

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<v Speaker 2>maintaining it, in developing it and protecting it for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the fishermen who are always the number one user,

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<v Speaker 2>so in our minds they are absolutely beneficiaries of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, Yeah, that's the same ghost. Good answer. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you bridge the gap between the immediate day to

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<v Speaker 1>day demands of working fishing boats and the disruption of say,

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<v Speaker 1>large scale structural overhalls.

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<v Speaker 2>So large scale structural overhaulds, can you give me and

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<v Speaker 2>can can you give me an idea of what you

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<v Speaker 2>mean by large scale? Do you mean improvements to the harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not just say boats are getting overhauled, but they

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<v Speaker 1>can't move.

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<v Speaker 2>So understood. So we have a dry dock in Freezer

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<v Speaker 2>Brat which accommodates boats up to sixty five meters. We

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<v Speaker 2>also have our ship lift which takes six boats at

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<v Speaker 2>a time up to eight hundred and fifty tons, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's where a lot of the work is done, and

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<v Speaker 2>the harbor Master can also designate a boat can go

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<v Speaker 2>in an area for work to be done. We try

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<v Speaker 2>to take a long range view, so if there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>significant being done, we will take that into our planning.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's really the harbor Master's role. Where we've diversified.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, I think a lot of people know that

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<v Speaker 2>we have an Ulstraer wind basin freezerbra It came started

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<v Speaker 2>coming in about twenty eighteen and became operational in twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>My colleagues spent several years planning what they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing, and everybody now wants to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>me because I'm not free planning what we were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing. So they looked at deepen in the

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<v Speaker 2>North Harbor Basin, which was done and that was to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to welcome bigger fishing boats so that we

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<v Speaker 2>could move them out of one area into another, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the shallower area was given over to smaller windboats.

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<v Speaker 2>So we try to plan for these things as much

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<v Speaker 2>as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean diverse do offshore winds. It's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of major logistical leap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was, and it was something it was something

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<v Speaker 2>that was challenged a lot in Freesburg. At the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't here, but my colleagues speak of it and

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<v Speaker 2>have We've had long conversations about it. So they could

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<v Speaker 2>see that the harbor's income was changing. They could see

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<v Speaker 2>that we needed to welcome new business, and they did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work to work out where that business

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<v Speaker 2>could come from. But what they always have done is

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<v Speaker 2>tried to make sure that that business is an addition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always an addition. It's never a replacement for Freesbrow.

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<v Speaker 2>It was always about bringing more income to the harbor

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<v Speaker 2>so that we could sustain it. And I would say

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<v Speaker 2>there has been there could have been misconceptions that Frasburg

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<v Speaker 2>was changing to wind, but we have never been a

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<v Speaker 2>port that wants to go from reliant on fishing to

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<v Speaker 2>reliant on wind. We want to be diverse and strong and.

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<v Speaker 1>Made the rock attractive to the renewable sector.

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<v Speaker 2>Close did a lot of research at the time and

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time trying to understand the industry

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<v Speaker 2>and how it could how they could make it work

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<v Speaker 2>in Freezebro without, you know, alienating our main business. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was two things. I think, One we showed them

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<v Speaker 2>that we wanted them to come, but two we could

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<v Speaker 2>offer a multi vessel strategy, so we could offer space

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<v Speaker 2>for an SOV which goes out every two weeks and

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<v Speaker 2>only comes into the harbor once a fortnight, and for ctvs,

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<v Speaker 2>which are smaller boats which go in and out every day.

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<v Speaker 2>We were at the time very keen on the smaller

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<v Speaker 2>boats because we saw that as a way of replacing

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<v Speaker 2>economic activity in the community that had been lost by

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<v Speaker 2>the fewer and fewer fishermen, so they weren't coming down

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<v Speaker 2>to go to see buying papers, buying shopping, that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. And we saw the CTV activity as a

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<v Speaker 2>way of bringing local jobs to freezer Brag again and.

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<v Speaker 1>Can pushing boats and the renewbal sector can share the

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<v Speaker 1>key space and get on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's a very good question. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think in fraserbra that they do, which is why we've

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<v Speaker 2>had people coming from Kanada to Japan to fraser Bra

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<v Speaker 2>to understand how we did it, because understandably there is

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<v Speaker 2>that there can be tension, and that is totally understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think in fraser Bra, because we planned it out,

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<v Speaker 2>because we developed the harbor for the fishermen, we put

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<v Speaker 2>in shore power so that it would be better for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we have achieved that the SOV that

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<v Speaker 2>comes in, it's not using a fishing berth, it's using

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<v Speaker 2>our commerce so key and the ctvs that come in

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<v Speaker 2>they are using much much shallower area than than is

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<v Speaker 2>really suitable for the fishermen nowadays. So I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have shown that we can do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's and for the like, you've shown that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do it, and obviously you approved you can

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<v Speaker 1>and the people work together. What about like the like

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<v Speaker 1>the engineers, fabricators and people they got are they adapting

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<v Speaker 1>and are they maybe doing work and servicing on the

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<v Speaker 1>one sector as well now as the fish?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are. We have ctvs, sometimes larger ones

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<v Speaker 2>come to Fraseborg for work to be done. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>the likes of McDuff Strachan's Foreruno. I can't even list

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<v Speaker 2>them all. Who are they're the ones who attract the

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<v Speaker 2>boats as much as it's the harbor. We are an

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<v Speaker 2>eco system together, and certainly one of our long range

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<v Speaker 2>planning activities is to look at how we can work

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<v Speaker 2>with the traders to make sure that we can accommodate

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<v Speaker 2>the boats that want to come here for them too.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we are already doing it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think there is potential for the engineers, the marine electronics,

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<v Speaker 2>the painting and coating, all of them to benefit from

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<v Speaker 2>it too, And I think they are proactive enough that

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<v Speaker 2>they are working on that themselves as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Exciting times ahead for the bro I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well no, but it's working. It's a work in horbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is. Like I just really love it here.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry I shouldn't, I said, yes, it is about of

422
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 1>contradicting myself. It's our work in harbor, but it works.

423
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm pinching that. I'm pinching that for every future presentation

424
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<v Speaker 2>I have to give.

425
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you're currently working on digital auctions system for

426
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the fishermen. What advantages is will this bring to buyers?

427
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>And sellers compared to the traditional debt with the showed.

428
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Auction, So yes, we are. We always try to remember

429
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 2>that it is the fishermen that pays the wages and

430
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 2>phrase for a harbor. It's their advalorum that helps us

431
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>to that's our main source of revenue and helps us

432
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:44.519
<v Speaker 2>to develop the harbor. So the fishermen are a generally

433
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 2>for the electronic auction and have been quite supportive of it,

434
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and that's part of the like one to one engagement

435
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that we're having with them. But they're generally looking for

436
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.319
<v Speaker 2>a mere modern approach, but understanding that there could be

437
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 2>work on their part as well. It's been difficult, I think.

438
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>For we've got two auctioneer companies in Fraserbraw, so I

439
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:12.880
<v Speaker 2>think they understand that their profile of employee is changing,

440
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 2>so it's how do they find modern salespeople for fish?

441
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 2>And actually electronic or digitization is part of it for

442
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 2>them as well. It's potentially making Fraseburh's fish more widely available.

443
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that we've considered is that it's

444
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>further to travel to Fraserbraw to buy fish, although local

445
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 2>buyers do provide that service, and I think they do

446
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 2>it very well. So I think it's I think it's

447
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:49.319
<v Speaker 2>just inevitable part of the journey for Frasbrow. We've been

448
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a fishingport for a long time and we want to

449
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 2>stay a fishingport for a long time as well.

450
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's what can you say about it? It's Fittman.

451
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Tell you what it gives them? Well, I'm not going

452
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to tell you anything, Pamela, sorry, but what I've feel

453
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I speak a lot to them. I've been in the industry,

454
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>that side of the industry many years as well. But

455
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.039
<v Speaker 1>what it gives them is confidence.

456
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good word. But I think that's

457
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>reflected on the other side as well, because the buyers,

458
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>if they're not in the market anymore with our eye

459
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>as their merchant, they need confidence as well. So that's

460
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 2>going to take some time to build up that relationship. Potentially,

461
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it could work for everyone, but it's going

462
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>to be a learning process.

463
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I've been I've been that guy shout on the shout auction.

464
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>I've been auctioneer for well over thirty forty years right

465
00:29:54.319 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>and involved directly. But it would be the first to

466
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 1>say it's coming into the modern world and boats would

467
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>have as I said confidence, and I mean confidence, that's

468
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the right word. And where they wouldn't have the confidence

469
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 1>in some ports still the lander fish if it hadn't

470
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>got the buyers and the capacity keep maintaining the price

471
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:32.599
<v Speaker 1>and things like that. Electronic auction gives them that confidence

472
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>a way to face reality. Yeah, I definitely think it's

473
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 1>a way forward and good luck, good luck with it.

474
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>And but you have a you know, you have a

475
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>strong base anyway with the buyers and processors, so it's

476
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.079
<v Speaker 1>not like you're just starting from scratch.

477
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you're absolutely right in phrase is when I

478
00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>was talking about that. You can look at ah Is earlier,

479
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 2>like Frasbrow is the highest level of fish processing in Aberdeenshire.

480
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I think more employees are employed in that industry in

481
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Fresburgh than anywhere else in the country. And it's that

482
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>it's that sort of statistic and that I suppose, what's

483
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 2>the word I'm looking for, the whole cycle from going

484
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 2>out to fish, to landing to processing, it's happening in

485
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Fresbroh so much so that actually the starts indicated that

486
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Fresburgh is the most reliant community on fish and fishing

487
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 2>in the whole of the UK. So you're right, we

488
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 2>do have that, we do have that excellence in fish

489
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>processing as well.

490
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And from a locals point of view, then they don't

491
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>have to have any fear what they're losing because I'll

492
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 1>just say local buyers and that they think, you know,

493
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 1>but rather than worry about this their cake, the piece

494
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of their cake, well, the whole cake is going to

495
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 1>be so much bigger.

496
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 2>And I think as locals they have they have more

497
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 2>inherent knowledge than anyone else of every boat and the

498
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>type of fish that they land. Yeah, their knowledge is unparalleled.

499
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'll take a stage further Parmelin that you're

500
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>right they are and you look at the places like

501
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Shetland where it's been a massive success, and I'm sure

502
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>they'll be the first to say that locals may be

503
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>frightened that because people can buy it from Afar that

504
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to be in Fraser, but that they're

505
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 1>going to get less and they're going to lose out. Well,

506
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter where the person is bidding, as far as

507
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the electronic auction is concerned, they still want to use

508
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 1>the locals.

509
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and firs hand, I went to Shetland with my

510
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>colleague John to see it firsthand as well there a

511
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>few years ago and it was all locals that were

512
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>involved still there buying as well. So I think how

513
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>things will develop its words I'm looking for. You know,

514
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.319
<v Speaker 2>we kind of have to we have to, we have

515
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>to do it to see how it will develop in

516
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Freees Bra.

517
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 1>You're doing a lot of work on it, do I do?

518
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I take it well that you're going to say is

519
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>something that the fisherman lambs in the auction and maybe

520
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.839
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't get the place he was hoping for. Are

521
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 1>you going to take the responsibility for it.

522
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Now? For that? So the harmer is providing the infrastructure

523
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>for the auction as it always has, but we're not.

524
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:58.559
<v Speaker 2>We don't sell the fish, we don't land it, and

525
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>we don't buy it. So the whole ecosystem is still

526
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the same in that PJ. Johnston's and Westward will be

527
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the ones selling the fish for the fisherman. Still, Yeah,

528
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I just I know.

529
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Because and I don't mind saying that, I'll put my

530
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 1>name into it. You're never gonna You're never gonna have

531
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a fisherman satisfied that he got a good price. Well,

532
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 1>maybe a wee bit, I'll no doubt hear about it with.

533
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 2>This, sure you will.

534
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>When you look through the seafood supply chain. What makes

535
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 1>you feel the proudest to represent the broke on the global.

536
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Stage, of course, that's a really good question. What makes

537
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>me the proudest? I would like so this I'm gonna

538
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>start a bit backwards, but I would like freeze For

539
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to be an exemplar for similar sized ports around the

540
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 2>world in that you know, we've been through a lot

541
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>as a port over the generations. We've had good times

542
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and we've had hard times, but we've never given up

543
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 2>and we've always stayed the course. I think the fact

544
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>that we're still here and we're still you know, we're

545
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 2>we're the largest port in Europe and we're the third

546
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>biggest fishing port in the in Scotland. So I think

547
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 2>what makes me proudest is that we never give up

548
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and we're always We're always focused on what makes Freesburg better,

549
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>not just for the fishermen, but for the traders and

550
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 2>for the community as well. And we are always open

551
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to welcoming other ports, other nationalities to Frasbrau so that

552
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 2>we can learn from them and that they can learn

553
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.039
<v Speaker 2>from us. We have lots to learn and lots to do,

554
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 2>but we're certainly as a team and as a board

555
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>of commissioners, are definitely up for our challenge, and so

556
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what makes us proudest. Like we did,

557
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 2>we don't give up. Even when we're beating down, we

558
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.400
<v Speaker 2>get back up and we keep on going.

559
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I think you have a lot going for anyway, Pamela,

560
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>because when you when you think it's just thinking of

561
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>here they can come in for the auction, they can

562
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>well for the services they need. Obviously they have to

563
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>get fuel, lace, empty boxes, all that sort of thing.

564
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.320
<v Speaker 1>But if they need to go, if they need to

565
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>get repairs of any kind done, it's going to become

566
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:40.559
<v Speaker 1>a one stop shop.

567
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it already is, and it's like they're a

568
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>pair thing. When I first came to the Harbor, although

569
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>my dad had said face was best in class, I

570
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 2>still didn't really appreciate it. And I was looking at

571
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the business case for the Harbor expansion, and as I

572
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>was working with economists and years and accountants on that

573
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>really started to understand the impact of the traders in

574
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Fraser bra having the facilities so that they could and

575
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 2>did grow their businesses in the way that they have.

576
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>But also it's really special because in most locations with

577
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 2>a dry dock kind of ship lift, not all, but

578
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 2>most there's one company doing a lot of the work.

579
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 2>But that's not where it is in fraserbra And so

580
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 2>if you're coming in with euro fishing boat, but we

581
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 2>also have small ferries, we have windboats, we have cargo boats.

582
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Come you can use anyone that you want in your boat.

583
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 2>And what that has meant is that we have the

584
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>best of the best working here because they've learned. They've

585
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>learned over the generations and over the decades by working

586
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>for the fishermen. And I think, I think that's really special.

587
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 2>And when I speak about that with it can wait

588
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>development agencies or the government for it took out. It

589
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 2>took a while for it to start landing. But when

590
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I started to explain exactly how many people were employed,

591
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>exactly the range of services, and you were attracting two

592
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy five boats or you know, on average

593
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:22.079
<v Speaker 2>every year to the bro that's that's incredibly special and

594
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>should be celebrated, and we would we want to do

595
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 2>more of that and we want to help those traders

596
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:29.320
<v Speaker 2>get more boats here as well.

597
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the important thing for you as well, from

598
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 1>the way of described it all, Pamela, which and I

599
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:44.679
<v Speaker 1>think major importance is the clever approach you've taken, your

600
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 1>taking sorry to it, for they like the electronic auction

601
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you're taking from and with you. You're talking to them.

602
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.280
<v Speaker 1>It's not like you're coming with this or one sector

603
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>has come in and saying that's the only way it

604
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>can be. No, No, you're all talking together. So you're

605
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>doing it so it's covering everybody, every sector.

606
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're trying to. We try. We still consider ourselves

607
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to be quite small. And it's interesting because we always

608
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 2>try to see ourselves as just part of the one

609
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>actor on the stage, if you like, we're just we

610
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>have a role to play and it's an important one,

611
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 2>but we're not the only person or company there. Everybody

612
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 2>else is just as important.

613
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 1>You're just brokers.

614
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>We're just brokers doing our vest.

615
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 1>You know when I say that, Pamela, guy here in

616
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Casness honestly a good friend, the loveliest guy. And he

617
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>has to tell you he's ninety five, he's still golf

618
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>being regularly and he's just a brilliant guy. And he'll

619
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>if anybody was to ask it, which I often do

620
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 1>because I love heating it. He's a brocket jump jump

621
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>backheads his name, and Jim's a rocket. And I was

622
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 1>on this golf I was just finishing a few holes

623
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of golf one day and here I'm walking in the

624
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:40.360
<v Speaker 1>car park, gett into my car. Jim's walking towards me.

625
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.639
<v Speaker 1>He was going on to the golf course. He says,

626
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>are you coming out for a few holes. I'm just

627
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 1>going to do four. Of course, it appeared quite useful,

628
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>quite handy for what we call cut in. You don't

629
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.039
<v Speaker 1>have to do the full eighteen. You can cut in

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<v Speaker 1>after four holes or eight holes or that. So he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only going to be doing four holes today. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's me just finished playing. And I says, Jim, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I am playing with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So out we go. We're on the fourth fairway. Now

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<v Speaker 1>here's how maybe we challenge for you. Here we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth fairway. And he asked me, did I ever

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<v Speaker 1>hear the bachhen Clan poem? No? I didn't. Well he

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<v Speaker 1>recited it. I could take it to the golf course today, Pamela,

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<v Speaker 1>to the very sport. You know how things that mean

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to you things like John F. Kennedy's assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody remembers where they were when they heard that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Well, I was the same way, Jim. I

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<v Speaker 1>could take you to the spot. Give me the full

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<v Speaker 1>recital of the Bucking Clan poem, and honestly, I'll tell you, Pamela,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna ask you if you have heard it.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, go and listen to it because it's in Doric.

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<v Speaker 1>Says it'll match the best of the best ever come

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<v Speaker 1>out of Robbie Burns.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I haven't heard of it, but my mom's a

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<v Speaker 2>backin so I will google it after.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Bucking Clan poem.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll be going him tonight to ask if she

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<v Speaker 2>knew of it, because she's never mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>It to me. That how special do you think it was?

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<v Speaker 1>For me in the middle of a fair way getting

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<v Speaker 1>it from a ninety five year old back and oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet just quite the performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it was wonderful. It was absolutely brilliant. But oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, it's just the Doric and the way the expressions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just as I said, I'm not exaggerate, it will

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<v Speaker 1>match anything, and I'm not taking trying to say anything

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<v Speaker 1>against Robbie Burns. He's a national bard and all the rest,

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<v Speaker 1>but it matches anything he's come out with.

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<v Speaker 2>Brilliant, Brilliant. I'll be googling that straight away.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything will point you would like to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the fishing industry and local community to remember about the brough.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing that comestant my head is another thing

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<v Speaker 2>that my father told me, and it was that as

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<v Speaker 2>a trust port Freezeber Harbor belongs to us all. It

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<v Speaker 2>belongs to the community. It belongs to the fishermen as

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<v Speaker 2>much as it belongs to the people who are working

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<v Speaker 2>in it and trying to secure its future. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's an important message and it's one that I

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<v Speaker 2>try to share with everybody who comes, whether they are

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<v Speaker 2>primary school children walking around learning about fishying and jobs

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<v Speaker 2>in the harbor, or whether it's you know, our MSPs

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<v Speaker 2>come in to learn about what we're doing, our challenges

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<v Speaker 2>and how they can help. The harbor belongs to us

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<v Speaker 2>all in Fraser or the bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Brilliant And do you have any social media presence? Familia

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<v Speaker 1>listeners can follow you.

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<v Speaker 2>Limited. I do have LinkedIn though so and I use

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<v Speaker 2>that for my working life. I think I've been on

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<v Speaker 2>it for about twenty years, so you can find me

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<v Speaker 2>there and we have a website at the Harbor as

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<v Speaker 2>well and we post a learn news on that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. Well, I'll just say thank you, Pamela is really

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<v Speaker 1>good and good luck with the developments in the Broke

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<v Speaker 1>and right with you and I'll be certainly hearing all

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<v Speaker 1>about as things progress. And good luck with the electronic auction.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely do feel you're going the right direction and

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<v Speaker 1>the way you're talking and keeping everybody on board. Well done,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you very much for today.

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<v Speaker 2>No, thank you, it's been a wonderful experience. On if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the brough, you need to chop on my

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<v Speaker 2>door and we'll give you a tour, even though you

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<v Speaker 2>know it already.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no no, but I certainly will be yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got great, great memories of the Broke brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jim,