WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:06.360 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WIBs, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:10.800 All right, thank you very much, Dan Watkins. Welcome back everyone, 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.960 as we are going to welcome back to our program. 4 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:20.039 I guess we had about a month ago. Adelaide Parker. 5 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.600 Adelaide Parker is a junior at Harvard, but she is 6 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:32.479 also a writer and a commentator. I guess as an 7 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.520 editorial assistant. How would you describe your role at the 8 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.640 Boston Globe, Adelaide, we talked about it today, and I 9 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.079 want to make sure that I don't put words into 10 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.679 your mouth. You what's your title there? 11 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:51.759 Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. My title is editorial assistant. But really, 12 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.679 for anyone familiar with the Northeastern co op program, the 13 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.240 positions all like a co op where sort of while 14 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.600 in school all works the Globe for six months. 15 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:02.240 Well, I'll tell you, not only are you working at 16 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.159 the Globe, but you wrote a front, well a covert 17 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:09.920 piece for the Globe magazine entitled the Return of the 18 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:14.719 College Republican. And I really was interested in for a 19 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.359 whole bunch of reasons. Conservative student groups are back and 20 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.760 they won't let you forget it. It's a really well 21 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:25.120 written article, and if anyone hasn't read it, they should. 22 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.799 You start off by telling what it was like on 23 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:34.879 election night last November fifth, with a crowd of young 24 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:40.000 Republicans or conservatives, however they want to describe themselves at 25 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:45.040 Cambridge Queen's Head Pub in Harvard's Memorial Hall. Set the 26 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:48.719 stage for what was it like that night? It must 27 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.560 have been. I mean, the context is we have the 28 00:01:51.599 --> 00:02:01.200 Trump administration criticizing Harvard for squelching dissent and philosophical diversity 29 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.959 in campus, and yet your story in the Globe would 30 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:09.120 suggest that the atmosphere at Harvard has has has welcomed 31 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:16.800 at least some young Republicans. Is there is This seems 32 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.199 to me to be a little conflict here between what 33 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.120 the Trump administration is doing. Well, maybe maybe it's complementary. 34 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:24.759 How how do you view that? 35 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.439 Yeah, so I think that just during my time at 36 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.319 Harvard over the last three years, I really have seen 37 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:36.240 a lot of expansion in terms of, you know, the 38 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.159 type of conservative thought on campus and also the type 39 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.599 of conservative groups. When I first got to Harvard, all 40 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.599 of the conservative and Republican student clubs on campus based 41 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:48.759 on you know, the conversations I had with people who 42 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.639 were involved in them seemed very anti Trump, and over 43 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.560 the last say year and a half, there's been a 44 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:56.680 lot of growth in these clubs that these clubs have 45 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:01.159 also really changed direction to become much more pro Trump. 46 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.719 And so I think it's been really interesting. It's really mirrored, honestly, 47 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.719 the changes that we've seen in the national level Republican 48 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:13.639 Party over the past say eight to ten years. Yeah, 49 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:15.960 it's been fascinating. I think that there actually is a 50 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.759 lot of political and intellectual diversity on campus. 51 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:24.439 Well, you talk in the article about the right Wood swing. 52 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:29.840 Tufts University research that forty percent of young women I'm 53 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:34.039 not exactly sure how that's being defined, but forty percent 54 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.280 say they voted for Trump in twenty twenty four compared 55 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.960 to thirty three percent. So that's a jump over four years. 56 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.840 And the shift is even larger among young men, a 57 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:48.879 demographic Trump won. In twenty twenty four, fifty six percent 58 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.360 of eighteen to twenty nine year old men said that 59 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:58.240 they voted for Joe Biden. In twenty twenty four years later, 60 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:03.800 the same proportion voted for Trump. That's a huge swings, 61 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:12.080 that's an amazing swing. I don't know that the national 62 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:17.959 media is recognizing that or giving it it's due, or 63 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.000 even explaining it. How do you explain it? 64 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.519 I mean, I think there are a lot of different things. 65 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.920 I think that's just the profiles of the constituencies of 66 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:32.240 the Democratic and Republican parties are changing. Especially based on 67 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:35.040 conversation I've had with a lot of young Republicans at 68 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.879 Harvard Beyond, it seems like the Republican Party, especially this 69 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.639 last election cycle, has become a lot more broad tent. 70 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.120 So there are a lot more communities of color that 71 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.439 are voting Republicans. That have also been a change that 72 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.000 has really affected each demographics and has shifted a lot 73 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.560 of young voters who would traditionally be more liberal towards 74 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.199 the Republican Party. I mean, I think that a lot 75 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.720 of it also would be that if actually this last 76 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.319 election there was a lot of economic uncertainty, and so 77 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.519 especially young voters who are maybe about to enter the 78 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:10.319 workforce or who are in college and are deciding, you know, 79 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.639 what job they're going to have, you know, went against 80 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.600 the incumbent party and voted Republican for economic reasons. 81 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:26.000 Has how welcome. And again, I know that you're a journalist, 82 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.199 we're talking to you as a journalist. But you also, 83 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.879 I believe, are fairly conservative. You would identify yourself probably 84 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.759 as a conservative. Am I correct on that. 85 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.800 I actually would not really identify myself as a conservative, 86 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.800 although I do come from Utah, so you know, the 87 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.720 community I come from is largely very conservative. But I 88 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.519 think I am a little a little more liberal than that. 89 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.680 Okay, so we'll put you, We'll leave you somewhere in 90 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.519 the center. However you want to define yourself, so your 91 00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:00.360 observations is it. One of the things that's that the 92 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:05.920 Trump administration is concerned about is how uncomfortable Jewish students 93 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.199 have been made to feel at Harvard's campus. There were 94 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.839 two reports today I'm sure you're aware of them, are 95 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:18.759 released by Harvard, including one which I guess the president 96 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:25.439 of Harvard, Alan Garber, has said yesterday that it's renaming 97 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:29.639 its Office of Equity, Diversity, Inclusion, and Belonging to Community 98 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:34.439 and Campus Life. So I know that may be semantics 99 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.519 to some people, but that's the sort of thing that 100 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:43.199 I think the Trump administration is is compelling Harvard and 101 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.279 other you know, some of the great Avdy League schools, 102 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.959 great schools around the country, to do. What is your 103 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.040 sense of as the As the growth of young Republicans 104 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.959 on Harvard grows, is it more are they more accepted, 105 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.319 is it more comfortable? Can they, as it were, come 106 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.079 out of the political closet and pronounce that they are 107 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.519 Republicans or is there a stigma still associated with that. 108 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.079 I think I've heard a lot of different narratives from 109 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.519 a lot of different people. I think it really depends 110 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.480 on the communities that you're in, but largely from a 111 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.519 lot of people, what I've heard is that and this 112 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.920 has been my experience as well, Like one on one, 113 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.519 people are very you know, willing to have open conversations 114 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.600 about pretty contentious political topics, and so normally when fears 115 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.160 about silencing come in, that's when you're in you know, 116 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.560 a group setting, whether that's a class or a club. 117 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:36.920 And I think especially you know, if you're a freshman 118 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.759 that's just come into a new place, it is really 119 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.480 scary to talk about, you know, things that can be 120 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.000 politically contentious in this group of people that you don't 121 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.519 really know. But I have heard that climates have changed 122 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.360 a lot over the past couple of years. I know 123 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.120 that when I was talking with Michael Aubad, who was 124 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.600 the president of the Harvard Republican Club this past year. 125 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.240 In twenty twenty four, he said that when he first 126 00:07:57.279 --> 00:07:59.519 took over the club, he you know, would often get 127 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.319 these responds from students who are interested in joining, who 128 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.319 feared that they would, you know, maybe face social ostra 129 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.879 sensation if they were you know, openly republican on campus. 130 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.040 But that over the past couple of years that you know, 131 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.759 responses really died down, and now people aren't really expressing that, 132 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.160 which I think says a lot of good things about Harvard, 133 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:23.199 you know, becoming more open, even among all of the 134 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.759 national attention to free speech problems on campus. 135 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.800 Oh yeah, I mean I count amongst my friends people 136 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.759 with whom I disagree. I actually am more sometimes entertained 137 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.440 in spending time with friends with whom I disagree. I 138 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.600 will tell you one story that might be emblematic of Harvard. 139 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.919 My son graduated from Harvard in two thousand and five, 140 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.159 so that's now twenty years ago. And he was in 141 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:51.600 the senior year in a small seminar with about I 142 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.159 think twelve people, and they were talking about the media 143 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.399 and excuse he was in two thousand and five, my mistake. 144 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:04.120 He graduated from Harvard intoy ten. So he's they're doing this, 145 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:06.879 and I had just started doing my talk show here 146 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:14.000 and there was an an Arab American woman who began 147 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.600 to talk about how she was listening to this talk 148 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.080 show and she didn't like the talk show. Obviously, my 149 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.240 son his ears perked up. Now in this class, I 150 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:28.320 think was Joe Biden's niece, the daughter of Caroline Kennedy, 151 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:33.600 and it was fairly sophisticated group of Harvard students, and 152 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.039 so my son said, I knew it was coming, and 153 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.919 so she talked. She was upset with me because I 154 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.399 was pretty pro Israel and still remained very pro Israel. 155 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.720 And so when he told me the story the next day, 156 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:49.720 I said, well, well, invite her to come to the station. 157 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.720 We were right across from We were on soldiers Field Road. 158 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.519 So I met the woman. She came over and we 159 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.919 had two or three lovely conversations and had a lovely 160 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:05.919 lunch together. So it was a different time when when 161 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.960 you were in elementary school. Before you you Harvard came 162 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.679 up on the horizon for you, and I think it 163 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.159 hopefully is a better time. Yeah. What I want to do, 164 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.799 Adelaide is give people an opportunity to chat with you 165 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.720 and ask you questions six one, seven, two, five, four, 166 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.720 ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty 167 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.159 if you'd like to join the conversation. If you are 168 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.279 a college student and happen to be particularly interested in 169 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.000 this topic, we would love to hear from you. If 170 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.039 you're somebody who is maybe feeling a little better about 171 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.360 Harvard University after you've listened to Adelaide or read the 172 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:44.279 Boston Magazine cover story that she wrote on that appeared 173 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.519 on an ape on the April thirteenth Sunday magazine, The 174 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.720 Return of the College Republican by Adelaide Parker. We'll be 175 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.519 back on Nightside right after this quick commercial break. 176 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.279 It's night Side with Dan Ray on Foster News Radio. 177 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:08.080 All right, My guest is Adelaide Parker, and she is 178 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:13.000 a editorial assistant part of a co op program at Harvard. 179 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.000 She writes the thing that's great about the fact that 180 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:21.000 you're an editorial assistant. You also have this Globe magazine 181 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:25.120 cover story in the Globe Magazine from April thirteenth, entitled 182 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.840 the Return of the College Republican. Let's see if we 183 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.240 can get some callers getting going here. Adelaide, I'd love 184 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.519 to we talk about this issue. And it's really difficult 185 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.879 to be a young conservative, or for that matter, a 186 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.799 young Republican, or even for that matter, a young moderate 187 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.559 when you're on a college campus where you find yourself 188 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.799 deep in the minority. Literally from jump straight, let's go 189 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:52.240 to Eunice in Cambridge. Eunice, thanks for joining us. You're 190 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.840 on with Adelaide Parker. Go ahead, Unice five. 191 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:59.159 So I'm Unice and I'm one of the students who 192 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.519 was mentioned in Adelaide's recent article. And my question for 193 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:12.799 Adelaide is what is at stake with the what the 194 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:18.200 ongoing lawsuit and what are you hoping could be accomplished 195 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:19.960 on the other side? 196 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.039 Could I ask you, Unis I'm just curious. Are you're 197 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:24.039 a student at Harvard. 198 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:27.639 I assume yes, I'm a junior at the college you're. 199 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.480 A junior as well, And are you involved politically on 200 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.600 any side of the spectrum or are you simply there 201 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.320 to to do as well as you can in college 202 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.679 and move on. I'm just curious if you're politically active. 203 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:41.879 Oh, that founded like a charge question. 204 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:47.360 That I get paid a lot of money. That's what 205 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.000 my job is. I get paid money to ask short questions. 206 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.759 Charge questions, go right ahead, go ahead. 207 00:12:54.279 --> 00:13:00.279 Unfortunately, I was involved in campus and partisan paul except 208 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.360 since I got here. But I am an oddball. I 209 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.919 would not identify myself as a capital C conservative, as 210 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:10.480 I told Addie when she interviewed me, I'm a capital 211 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:14.200 C Christian who is a lowercase C conservative. Okay, so 212 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:18.360 I'd say I'm not that representative of Republicans on campus 213 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.279 or most of the students who identify as conservative here. 214 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:28.720 I was looped into the Republican Club, but after the article, 215 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:30.240 I'm no longer on their mailing list. 216 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:35.120 Oh okay, And so what about the I'm not trying 217 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:40.120 to steal Adelaide's tide, but what about the article? Decided 218 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.480 of this? You know it led you to the decision 219 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.399 to remove yourself from the mailing list. 220 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:50.879 I criticized the Trump endorsement, and that was the portion 221 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:52.360 of the interview that got published. 222 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.320 Okay, So you criticized the Trump endorsement, And did you 223 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.759 get some blowback, if you will, from the the members 224 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:02.320 of the club. 225 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:13.519 It was completely silent and. 226 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.919 Okay, So let's why did you just rephrase your question 227 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.000 for Adelaide? I know I've I took us down a 228 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.240 little bit of a rabbit hole, but I find it 229 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.559 interesting to talk to young students. Go ahead, your question 230 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:22.639 for Adelaide. 231 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.159 Again is my question about the lawsuit. So what is 232 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.720 that stake here? What do you hope could be accomplished 233 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.960 on the other end of what is obviously a very 234 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:36.320 scary situation for the stakeholders on our campus. 235 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.080 Yeah, if I assume you're referring to the lawsuits from 236 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:48.639 Harvard to get funding back from the Trump administration, yes, yeah, 237 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.759 I mean I think that, you know, one thing that 238 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.879 has really made us research and education so successful the 239 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.639 past century is this partnership that our universities and government 240 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.720 have had. And I know that I, like personally have 241 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.639 benefited from a lot of the research money that has 242 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:04.480 come into Harvard. 243 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:04.919 Uh. 244 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.519 You know, whether I'm doing research for my thesis, which 245 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:10.960 I'll be doing over the summer, or you know, whether 246 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.840 I'm learning from these professors who have their projects funded 247 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.480 by this research money. And so I think, you know, 248 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.840 from my perspective being a student on campus, I you know, 249 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:25.559 definitely understand a lot of the issues people have with 250 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.360 free speech and anti semitism on campus. You know, obviously, 251 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.480 anti Semitic behavior is never okay. But I think that 252 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.799 you know, cutting this research money really is not something 253 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.639 that is helping anyone. I think it's just going to 254 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.360 you know, damage this relationship between universities and the government 255 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:47.000 and ultimately hurt the quality of scholarship and research these 256 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:53.200 universities are putting out without really getting at the problems 257 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.240 that the universities and the government need to be focusing on. 258 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.440 So I think a lot of students are really worried 259 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.200 about you know, that reallyationship being damaging and about you know, 260 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.279 opportunities they might have and you know, cool things the 261 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.200 school might do, whether that's you know, medical research, legal research, 262 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.240 research in all areas being cut. 263 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:19.000 Can I ask both of you the same question. Yeah, 264 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:22.679 I take that as a yes. So today the president 265 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.320 of Harvard, I guess yesterday announced that they were going 266 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.440 to change the naming of the Office of Equity diversity 267 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:33.159 Inclusion and belonging to the Office of Community and Campus Life. 268 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.440 Is that significant in your mind, a good step or 269 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.120 is it simply semantics? Either one of you can answer 270 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:43.960 or both. Actually I hope. 271 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.080 I hear Unis you can go first a few Blake, 272 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:55.559 I have an auder take about this change. Well, Number one, 273 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.720 I was a former student of President Garber, so I 274 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:05.519 called him Professor Carper. He is a phenomenal educator and scholar. 275 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:12.720 But moving on from that, I think even regardless of 276 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.119 how the lawsuit turns out, the Trump administration needs to 277 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:23.720 have some even minor semantic victories from this or else. 278 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:27.640 The administration is not going to yield on issues of 279 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.519 funding or other incredibly stupid demands that they made on 280 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.759 our university. So if this is one win that they 281 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.119 could take and claim as a victory on their part, 282 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.240 I thought it would be pretty strategic for Harvard to 283 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.599 do that. They're basically committed to the same values to 284 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:50.039 change his name. Now, is that offensive to students who 285 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:57.200 like utilize the office for important reasons? Yes, but that 286 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:01.079 was sort of my reaction to the change. 287 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:06.640 Okay, so you see it more as a semantical change, uh, 288 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.400 a title which would draw less less criticism community and 289 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:16.480 campus life. Maybe it's a more universal title. What about you, Atelette? 290 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:17.799 Your response to that? 291 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:24.680 Yeah, I mean I myself have never utilized this office before, 292 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.240 so I don't think that I am super well equipped 293 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.160 to speak about, you know what, working with it is like, 294 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:31.880 I have heard from a lot of people on campus 295 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.640 that they've received a lot of very valuable support. From 296 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.240 what I've heard from people and professors, it does seem 297 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.799 like a lot of the change is semantic. And I've 298 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.079 also heard that, you know, some people are hopeful that 299 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:45.880 by expanding the office that will maybe be able to 300 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.640 deal with forms of prejudice that didn't have delineated channels 301 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.920 under the office as it was before, like anti semitism 302 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.359 or Islamophobia. But I also have heard from other students that, 303 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.559 you know, they feel like with this change, you know 304 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:04.359 that and the specific identity based discrimination that they have 305 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.119 faced at Harvard is something that the university is not 306 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:13.240 really focusing on combating. And so I think that from 307 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.640 what I've heard, I guess my opinion now that it 308 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:19.279 would be that it seems to mostly be semantic. But 309 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.759 I think it's very important that Harvard like continues to 310 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:27.880 make resources available to students and continues to combat discrimination 311 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.240 in all forms, and also just continues to make students, 312 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.279 especially those who've utilized this office before, really feel like 313 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:35.359 they are valued. 314 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.079 Yeah, I just wish that Harvard, when they looked at 315 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:44.880 the word diversity, they looked beyond the obvious aspects of diversity, 316 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.160 you know, ethnic background and economic background and all of 317 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.880 those various backgrounds, but also just philosophical diversity, because I 318 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.240 think it's a more exciting place if you're in a classroom, 319 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.359 where as opposed to having you know, fifteen students all 320 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:02.000 kind of nodding their head like bobble heads and regurgitating 321 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:06.319 what the professor's telling them. Obviously, in math, class two 322 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.079 and two will always be four. But when you get 323 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:12.519 into the so called softer sciences, you know, sociology and 324 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:16.640 maybe even history and analysis, it's better to have I 325 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.880 think some spirited conversations, and I think that is probably 326 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.200 a step in the right direction. UNUS, thank you very 327 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.160 much for calling in tonight. I hope you continue to 328 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.640 listen to our program, and I am delighted that you 329 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.799 took the time to join us and come on back soon. 330 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.839 Okay, thank you for letting me participate. 331 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.200 My I thank you, Adelaide. You're going to stick with us. 332 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.440 We got a newscast, we get more callers, and also 333 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.000 we have Harvey Silverglade who's going to join us. Harvey 334 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.480 is a graduate of Harvard Princeton and Harvard law school 335 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:54.079 and has been very much involved in these these sorts 336 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.960 of questions. He was a founder of the fire of 337 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.720 the Foundation of Individual Rights and Education. I'm sure that 338 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.240 you're familiar with that group. And we'll continue our conversation 339 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:06.000 right after the news at the bottom of the hour. 340 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:09.200 Stay with us. My guest is Adelaide Parker, Harvard junior, 341 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.680 and she is an editorial assistant at the Boston Globe, 342 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:16.000 but wrote a really interesting cover story for the Globe 343 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.880 magazine Sunday Globe Magazine on April thirteenth. Back on Nightside 344 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:20.680 right after this. 345 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:26.640 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. 346 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:31.839 All right, let me get another I believe also a 347 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.640 Harvard student Leo and Cambridge Leo. I think I know 348 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:36.920 who this is from the article. Welcome. How are you sir? 349 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:39.640 I'm doing very well. How are you good? 350 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.720 Are you the president of Young Republicans over there? 351 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:45.559 I am the president of Harvard Republican. 352 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.960 Cup Yeah, okay, Harvard Republican Club. I'm sorry I used 353 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.640 to be called Young Republicans. I apologize. Well, you're with 354 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.759 Adelaide Parker. Go right ahead. What's your co question or comment? 355 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:55.319 Well? 356 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.759 Yeah, yeah, I was just we had this interview and 357 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.359 I was sort of talking about the current situation Harvard. 358 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:06.240 We had a debate against the Democrats on issues of 359 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:09.319 higher education and on issues of the current situation sort 360 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:12.319 of here, and I think the main sort of point 361 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:14.680 what we're putting out is that, you know, while there's 362 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:19.240 this national situation of the Trump administration and they're sort 363 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.039 of ways into good seeing with higher education institutions on 364 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.559 issues free speech. Really the question is building institutions and 365 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.039 getting people on campus who are at these liberal places 366 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.759 that are conservative and allowing them to build their own 367 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.000 things and not have to be sort of beholden to 368 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:39.599 this administrative processes that Harvard has created. And I think 369 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:41.640 we've done that very well and are sort of continue 370 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:43.440 to do that. And so I guess for the government, 371 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.000 like there are good people here and that you should 372 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.920 if we put pressure, it should be hiring more conservative professors. 373 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.119 And ser've got in the administration, so. 374 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.599 You then are supportive of what the administration is attempting 375 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.960 to compel Harvard to do, and of course Harvard is 376 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:01.799 resisting that compulsion. 377 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:03.799 Yeah. 378 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.119 Well, I think the tactics of the negotiation aside, which 379 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:09.680 is sort of a thing I'll leave that up to 380 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.640 the administration. And I'm not a lawyer nor a doctor. 381 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:14.920 So these are the issues I don't get into. I 382 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.839 know the situation on the ground, which is that there 383 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:20.519 are no conservative professors, or if there are, there's maybe 384 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:24.039 one or two in the undergrad area. And there are 385 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.480 a huge amount of programs at the university sponsors that are, 386 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:32.440 you know, against sort of what federal dollars should be 387 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:34.720 used for. And there are also a lot of uh, 388 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.640 there's a lot of sort of pressure against student organizations 389 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.440 that are pushing these. In the past, we weren't allowed 390 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.039 to bring anyone on the Republican side into the Institute 391 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.559 of Politics until recently when pressure was put on to 392 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:47.960 reverse the sort. 393 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.200 That's that is wrong. Obviously. Let me ask you this, Leo, 394 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:56.359 are you a junior senior? What year are you? Junior? Junior? Okay? 395 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:02.480 Has the campus changed all of us? Remember the performance 396 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:06.240 or the terrible performance of Claudine Gay, the former president 397 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:10.400 of Harvard, in front of Congress and in front of 398 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:15.400 congress Woman's Stephonics Committee a year ago in December. I 399 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.480 think that was a moment in time when Harvard really 400 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.039 realized things were out of control. And I don't know 401 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:24.440