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Speaker 1: The paranormal UFOs, monsters, mysteries that you're listening to Talking

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Weird and know from the Kevin Deep in the northwards

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your host, Doctor Dean Bertram.

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Speaker 2: Well, Happy Halloween, all my fellow widows and weird as.

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Welcome to Talking Weird. I'm the Untold Radio Network. I'm

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your host. Though you might not recognize me tonight, hopefully

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the accent still gives it away, Dean Bertram, And I'm

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delighted that you're spending the evening on the lead up

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to Halloween with me for the next hour or so anyway,

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or maybe you're listening to the show after that where

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it stays archived on YouTube and Facebook and x where

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it's going out live now, or listening to it on

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one of the many audio platforms where it drops the

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next day. Regardless, welcome. I'm so glad you're here, and

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I have you got prep for Halloween? Got a mountain

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of pumpkins downstairs. I'm getting ready to carve with my daughter,

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several of them from my own patch, and I bought

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some excessively large ones my wonderful girl friend, Sir Matt.

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That brought me some others as well, So I've got

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plenty of pumpkins, plenty of candy. Looking forward to taking

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my little one trick of treating tomorrow night and carving pumpkins,

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of course, and then probably settling in to watch my

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favorite Halloween film, which is Halloween three, Season of the Witch.

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Perhaps you have a favorite Halloween film, maybe you can

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mention it at some stage through the night in the comments,

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because I'd love to hear. I'll be asking our guest

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about what he does for Halloween. Maybe you want to

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share that with me as well in the comments, and

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also what films might be his go to on Halloween,

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because I know most people have them. Speaking of our guest,

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I'm super stoked having back on the show. He's a

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renowned jazz musician and paranormal investigator, and for over thirty

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years he has led the acclaimed Eric Mintel Quartet, performing

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at prestigious venues like the White House and the Kennedy

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Center and captivating audiences with his innovative jazz compositions. Beyond music,

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he's made a name for himself in the world of

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the paranormal with his hit TV series Eric Mintel Investigates,

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which I just love, exploring a phenomena from ghosts and

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UFOs to Bigfoot and dog man sightings. His dual careers

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highlight his diverse talents and insatiable curiosity. So I'm absolutely

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delighted to welcome back to Talking Weird for this very

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special Halloween episode, the one, the only, Eric Mintel and Bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: The reasons, Eric, thank you so much. Ma. You know, Dean,

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I gotta tell you, Man, I really appreciate your comments

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and your kind words because you're one of the few

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that gets it because you were in the same boat together, right,

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so we all have to kind of help each other

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out and a lot it's a lot of work for

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what we do, right, and especially for you putting on

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a podcast. I've been on your show several times, always

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have a blast, and you're one of those cats really

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easy to talk to, and I really appreciate everything you're doing,

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so thank you for having me on here.

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Speaker 2: Man. I always love how busy you are. People we'll

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talk about later in the show, but there's a link

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where they can watch your show in the comments, and

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also where they can buy your books and visit your website,

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cool everything else. I think most people in the paranormal

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space are familiar with you, but for anybody who's not

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please go over and check out eric site. So maybe

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before we jump into the deeper, darker regions, I'm going

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to let you tell me what you're doing for Halloween. Well,

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perhaps I slip out of this mask so it looks

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like you're talking to a human being instead of a

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Harry Hart the first suit on Welcome Oh Harry Harminid.

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Speaker 3: What am I doing for Halloween? Nothing only because Dean,

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I've been you know, as you just said, I'm so busy.

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The last my god, what has it been like. I'm

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gonna just lift this up a little bit. I've been

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doing talks and presentations of my show since like early September,

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every single night of the week, and I've been going

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I just did thirty presentations in thirty days, so it's

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been a real, real busy time. On top of that,

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we've been doing video. We've been shooting video. We just

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partnered with Pocono Mountain Tourism Bureau and Pocono Television, so

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we're doing a lot of video for them. And that's

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been such a godsend and so much fun working with

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Chris Barrett and Marlon Kissner. They're just great, great people

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and of course working with Dominic Satel, and we have

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a new cameraman, Mike Striebel, who this is our core

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team now and it's just been really great. So as

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far as what I'm doing on Halloween resting because the

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next day we've got let's see, the next day, on

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November two, we've got the very first annual jim Thorpe

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Para Con, which is happening out here in jim Thorpe,

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Pennsylvania on November two. And we've got and I'm sure

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your listeners know who he is. We've got Nick Pope

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from Ancient Aliens is going to be speaking uh at

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the at the festival, at the parra Con. And we've

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also got Bill Burns from UFO Hunters is going to

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be there as well, and of course myself and Dominic

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will be there and another buddy of mine, Jim Krug,

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and it's going to be a fun day. We've got

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a lot of vendors that are going to be there

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selling all kinds of really cool stuff. So it's just NonStop, man,

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been NonStop. There he is there, he is, There's the

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dean I know.

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Speaker 2: Frank my watch a little bit more now and have

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to be the man of the hairy Homonet of mystery. No,

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you're always so busy. A didn't mentioned to your race

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in the comments? When not in the comments now when

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I was booking you for the show of how impressed

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I am with how busy you always when you relax.

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So tomorrow will you will you be giving candy to

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trick or traders?

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't. We live kind of in the country,

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so there's not really a lot of trick or treaders here,

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so we kind of keep it pretty dark. I hate

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to say that, but now we But no, I'll be

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I'll be trying to take it easy tomorrow. But I

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got a few things I have to do in the daytime.

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But then you know, tomorrow night and then Saturday, it's like, uh,

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we're doing so you just mentioned my jazz quarts. That's

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what we're doing is on Saturday we're playing one of

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our first holiday jazz concerts at noon. We do our

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Charlie Brown Jazz concerts during the year. Most of the

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year it's like I'm doing paranormal. But then November December

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we do our Charlie Brown Christmas concerts, and that'll be

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a lot of fun. That'll be the first one we're

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going to be doing on Saturday, and then from there

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called North Wales, Pennsylvania, and I'll be going up to

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the Para Con on Saturday night and then Sunday all

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day up there, and then I gotta I gotta drive

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Nick Pope to the airport at like from two in

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the morning. He's got to be at the airport by

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five am in Philly. So it's there's gonna be no

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sleep for me for the next two days. So it's

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gonna be crazy.

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Speaker 2: And you'll maybe you'll be hallucinating spooks some.

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Speaker 3: I might be. I'm doing that right now.

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Speaker 2: More of a shock when you came on and I

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was already in the big Foot cost.

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Speaker 3: I know, I was like, oh my god. Well it

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was funny because today this morning we just taped a

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show which will be on actually tonight at eleven thirty

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in Philadelphia. We were down in the city doing a

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show called Mike It's the Mike Show. And we went

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But we were there this morning and Mike, our cameraman,

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had the Bigfoot costume on, so he came walking by

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set while you know, like a like we were talking

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when we were talking about Bigfoot in the Pine, he

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comes walking by, and it was fun. It was just

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a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we'll jump in the big Foot in the

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Pine parents. We just I just had a sort of

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from Horror Smith was talking about a barred owl was

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outside his house hooting, which was appropriate. And Horror Smith,

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of course is a good friend of the show. He's

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Professor Emeritus of Astronomy in physics at Michigan State University.

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Speaker 3: And he's wow, very cool and.

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Speaker 2: A good friend of mine as well. He's a great guy.

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But he said, Dean has scared my hour away when

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Speaker 3: Was that tonight? That was just now, Yeah, oh my god, unbelievable. Dean,

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you have this effect on people.

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Speaker 2: Apply them all the way. Funny. My daughter who's always

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loved owls and she loves birds in general, recently this year,

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as I'm sure my girlfriend Sam's probably in the comment somewhere.

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I'm sorry if I missed you when I had the

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big foot mask on Sweeten. We go out when we

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go outside at night now, like we'll go outside and have,

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you know, sit on the porch and stuff. On a

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Saturday night, there's a cacophony of owls. And I'm not

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talking about like a little bit. I'm talking about owls

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and NonStop for hours. So and we've always had occasionally

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owl see nothing like that. Some of the old calls

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are particularly weird. They sound like, as my daughter says,

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it sounded like a monkey like it's it's a very

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strange sound. And so my order, who used to love

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our calls, is terrified if we're out during even in

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the evening when it starts like early evening and those

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owls start, man, she will run for that door and panic.

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or another strange creature of the northwards because it sounds

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Speaker 2: I think my I don't often have like I don't

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use a smartphone, so I don't have anything normally on me,

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although I have film audio recording but I think I

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think Sam my girlfriend recorded a couple of times. It's strange,

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perfect for this time.

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Speaker 3: Of year as well, of course, oh yeah, totally totally.

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when the owls are around, there could be aliens around

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there's this thing about and who is it. Mike Clelland

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traditions in pagan religions of the owl, the idea of

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just goes to nocturnal burden. It makes those noises at night, but.

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the house when he first saw this thing. And you know,

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so very very you know, Dean, I just you know,

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this was just a statistic, not to change the subject.

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But there is a UFO. You probably know this already,

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but there's a UFO sighting and report every I mean,

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there's a UFO report every eight seconds in the world.

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where I was in my talks. I've been saying that

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we're in a good period right now where you know,

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the government is like and the whistleblower is coming out

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with all this UFO information and all the declassified footage,

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and basically they're saying, hey, folks, the UFOs your senior

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are real. We just don't know what they are, you know.

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they may know, but will never know. You know. You

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had mentioned I played the White House, and I played

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the White House in nineteen ninety eight for President Clinton,

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and it wasn't at the White House when we were there,

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soon as he took office, he realized that there was

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a government within a government right away, And so there's

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stuff that we probably will never know.

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Speaker 2: I think that the level of everything is so highly strange.

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I don't even know how much the government though, to

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be honest, it was only on Paranormal Pool Show the

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might be as good as good a jumping point as

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as as any other one. And there's Sam. Thank you

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for joining, honey. Somebody asked in the chat. In fact,

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that was Jason Finch, who I believe is a Channel members. Well,

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so thank you, Jason. He says, I don't know about

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dog Man or Bigfoot? What do you gentlemen know about that?

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And I know you know quite a bit, and you've

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had some pretty creepy encounters with both, particularly dog Man.

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to jump off with it your creepy tales tonight.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. And you know, you know you

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also said too about Halloween and that and that the spirit.

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I think it's also why we do what we do,

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we have that sense of wonder, right, that sense of

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wonder of the world has kind of gone by the

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wayside because just too many things else are going on

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in the you know, around the periphery. But I think

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you know what you do, what we do. I think

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you have to have that sense and I certainly do

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have that sense of wonder, like what is going on?

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You know? As far as Bigfoot dog Man, you know

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you said it, dog Man. I mean we were out

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in your area, and we were in Elkhorn, Wisconsin, and

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you know, we did this investigation on the Beast of

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Bray Road. I'm sure your listeners will be familiar with

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that and what the Beast of Bray Road is. It's

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an upright canine dog man, werewolf type creature that has

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been seen in that area for years. It goes back

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to the thirties. But I think that there's probably a

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family or a pack of these creatures out there. But

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to be honest with you, when I first heard the story,

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I was just I said to myself, well, we're probably

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not going to see anything. It's a great story, but

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we're probably just gonna you know, we'll do a great

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documentary we'll talk to some great witnesses and that would

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be it. And my whole world was changed the night

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of October third of twenty twenty one when we actually

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encountered this creature on the farm of Lee Hample. Now,

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I don't know have you ever interviewed Lee, but Lee was.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware of who he is, but I've never spoke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great guy and he's at his a

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thirty five acre hayfield. And a long story short with Lee.

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He was a math teacher in Illinois and the Wakanda,

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Illinois school system could care less about the paranormal, didn't

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want anything to do with it, didn't even think about it.

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But what he wanted to do when he retired was

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he wanted to be a hay farmer. So he bought

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this particular farm, which is about two tenths of a

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mile from Bray Road. He bought it off of his

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mother's a state in I believe it was twenty eleven,

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and he started farming there in twenty thirteen and he

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had his first encounter of this creature on his property

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and it was basically like he was backing out of

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the driveway one night he sees these red glowing eyes

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staring back at him from the barn, and this thing

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leaps fifteen feet in the air and disappears. And so

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the next morning he goes to his neighbors, Hey, you know,

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there's something here, and they go, oh, yeah, a lead

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that's where the creature lives on your property. So right

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away and Funny Lee goes, you know, I knew Wisconsin

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was the home of alcohol, but these guys were serious

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and it was crazy. So the next day he goes

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over and finds this seven pad five toe track, which

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was just bizarre. And just from that point on he

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started putting trail camps up around the property and it

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was getting all kinds of weird stuff, this weird mist

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that came through, these weird UFO lights going through through

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the forest, which when I first saw that video of

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these lights going through the woods, I thought maybe they

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were four wheelers, because I'm always trying to debunk what

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is out there, you know, But it couldn't have been

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because it's one of those things where you're when you

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see something on video and then you're on site. We

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noticed right away that there was no way it could

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be four wheelers because the trees, it was so dense

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in that area. It was like the New Jersey Pine barrens.

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It was so dense you couldn't you'd have to stop

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every second to get around the trees. But these lights

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were moving really smoothly through there. So that was bizarre.

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And I don't know if I ever told you this.

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When we went over to that field to check those

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where the woods were, we had our hotel room card

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keys in our you know the little cards that use

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for the hotel. We had those in our pocket, and

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when we went back to the hotel, they were all

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demagnetized that night. So it was something there's something over there,

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like a like a hortal type of energy or something.

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But the night of October third, we're doing this investigation

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and we were in Lee's barn and I said Lee,

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could we do an investigation in the field, and he goes, yeah,

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but be careful, and he wanted to give me a

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flare gun to take, and I didn't take it because

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again I didn't think we were gonna see anything. But

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I'm glad I didn't take it. I probably would have

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set the corner field on fire. But we get out

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there and it's a thirty five acre hayfield. So it's

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a pretty big area and all the corn it was

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a big rectangle and all the corn was up, but

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all the hay was already culled, it was already down.

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So we went over to this little bait area and

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you've heard me say this. We go over there. The

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first thing we see is a UFO that goes over,

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this solid orb of light going over our heads. Were

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sitting there saying, what the heck is this? And we're

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looking at it, looking at it. There's other planes around there,

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and all of a sudden, it does this forty five

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degree angle real quick and blinks out. And that was

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the first thing. And we were like stunned that this

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is no sooner than we get out to this part

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of the field which we which Lee called the bait

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area where we were where we were stationed. And so

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the second, the second thing that happened was we heard

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these howls. And I always say that they're not they're

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not coyotes, they're not owls, they're not screech owls, they're

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not foxes, nothing like dogs, wolves, nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And what this was, and I've had people listen to

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this that our experienced hunters, outdoors people. They all said,

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it sounds the same thing that I thought. It sounded

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like like it sounds like a man screaming in like

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this low guttural scream growl. So we hear one howl,

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we hear the second howl is a little closer. And

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that third howl that we heard that you could see

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on our video it's called the Beast of Bray Road

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alive and well on YouTube. That was the crazy and

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that changed my whole perspective on what was out there.

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And you know, the fear factors there were like what

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are we hearing? What is this? But then what really

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got us to get out of there was Dominic said,

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why don't you shine the light over to where we

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heard those howls. So he shines, Scott shine the light

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over to where we heard the howls, and there in

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the corn, about six to seven feet we see eyes

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going like this back and forth. And that was it.

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I said, you know what, we got to get out

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of here, because it was telling that told me that

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howl number one or whatever it was, said get out

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of here. This is my territory. And we beat feet

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out of there. Man, we were gone, and we went

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back to the barn, and we were at four wheelers

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and we went back up to the barn. Lee couldn't

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believe we were back so soon. And this all took

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place within forty five minutes. But Dean, there is so

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much more to this story, man. I mean, a weird

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mist came up from the field. It was messing with

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our audio. The whole town of Elkhorn lost power that night.

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It was just a bizarre effecta of paranormal activity.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy when you see so many different weird things,

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like you saw eyes which and you said, you heard

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something which sounded presumably like what a dog man would

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sound like. You saw weird live, you saw essentially an

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identified a flying object by definition. Do you think that

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those things are all related somehow?

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Speaker 3: You know? Yes? And it was wild too because in

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the barn, when Lee was showing us all the I mean,

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he's got thousands of pictures of all of this stuff

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and all the evidence that he's got. One picture in

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particular was pretty interesting. It was a daytime picture of

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these really crazy orbs in the sky and it kind

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of like it reminded you of like the Eye of

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Souron from you know, from the Hobbit series, but it

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was it was this weird orb with this black thing

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in the middle, but it looked like a cross. It

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looked like it was cross in this middle of this or.

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And what I thought the connection could have been with

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that was when we saw that UFO. I'm thinking, is

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this thing depositing this creature because in that orb it

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looked like it could have been some kind of creature

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in that orb really bizarre. And and then and then I'm

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thinking to myself, you know, or is it coming? Is it?

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You know there's those energy lines, you know, the lay

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lines around the world. I think maybe that Elkhorn has

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got some real high strangeness in that particular area. You know,

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Scott was working our camera. He was also working drones too,

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and earlier in the day we basically were going we're

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doing some reconnaissance in the area, and we went over

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to that bait area and we were on foot and

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we went over to that area through the field and

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Scott was following us with his virtual reality glasses with

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the drone. So we get over to the to the

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bait area where we had all this activity, and we

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disappeared off of his screen. So like digitally he lifted

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the glasses. We were still there, but digitally we were gone.

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So that was really bizarre. There was a real connection there.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel I know, because you've done other dog

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Man investigations as well. Correct, Yeah, I'm wrong. Was there

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a similar feeling when you were in both of the locales?

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Like what what was the was it was there? What

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carried across with you when you were investigator? There were

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there similar experiences? I mean, I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was we did in another investigation of

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the Beast of bryn Ath and it was another dog Man.

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It didn't have the same feeling out here, and that

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was this is the place outside of Philadelphia. Bray Road

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had some kind of really crazy energy because down in

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that area I remember it well because it had been

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windy as we were going down there. When we got

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to that area where he's got the trail cams and

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has had all like the he's putting the road killed

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deer in this bait area, no wind and it was

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all it was completely silent, and it was like the

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whole energy shifted back there. So it was really really interesting.

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The one that we did up here in Pennsylvania. You know,

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we didn't encounter or anything. We got a lot of

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great stories we did. The only thing that did happen

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was in this field that one of the students at

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the local college had seen this dog man. She described

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it as And I don't know if maybe some of

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your listeners would realize this too, or if maybe had

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this experience. You remember the old flashbulbs cameras, you know,

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where it would do the flash. They said they saw

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this dog man coming in and out of this flash,

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so it would be one in one spot, then it'd

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be another spot, then another flash would be another spot.

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So we went over to that field where they said

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that they saw this, and the magnetometer that we had

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with us was really going off the charts there. So

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it was some kind of weird energy in that particular field.

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But you know, we didn't see like, we didn't get

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any kind of howls or anything there. We didn't get

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any eye shine or really anything that way. So that's

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why Elkorn really stands out as one of the craziest

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experiences we've ever had. And you know, and then you

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were talking about Bigfoot in the New Jersey Pine barrens.

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Like a week later, we did an investigation there of

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Bigfoot in the pine barrens. And that was amazing too,

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because we were there. We were in an area called

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the Wharton State Forest. And if anybody remembers that movie

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Blair Witch Project, that's where that was mostly filmed in

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the pine barrens. And so if the pine barrens are

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thousands and thousands of acres of just dense, dense forest.

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And we're in an area called the Bowl and it's

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an area it's like very high on the sides and

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low in the middle, and we set up a base

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camp in there, and we were about five miles into

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the pine barrens. No house is back there. It's a

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ceed or swamp where we are, so there's no houses,

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nobody's back there. And we're sitting in base camp and Dean,

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00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,039
I know you've seen these Bigfoot shows too, where the

475
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,480
guys are whooping and hollering for Bigfoot, and I you know,

476
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:23,960
I always had to maybe do a little chuckle because

477
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,519
I'm always like, is that what they sound like? And

478
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,119
I'll be damned, that's not what we heard. And while

479
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,839
we're sitting there in base camp talking, we all hear

480
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,640
a whoop in the woods behind us, and then we stopped,

481
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:40,480
and then Eric Spinner or uh, the one of the

482
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,519
researchers there, his wife goes to answer it back with

483
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,960
her own whoop, and you could hear and they were

484
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,359
having a vocalization they read this conversation. It was the

485
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:54,039
spookiest thing we ever heard. Pitch black and you're hearing

486
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,960
these sounds come back and forth, and then all night

487
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,720
we kept seeing like red pin points of light. Wasn't

488
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,000
big the eyeshine, but we were seeing red like pinpoints

489
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,319
of light and just really bizarre stuff. And of course

490
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,160
most people know the New Jersey Pine Maarns as the

491
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,839
home of the Jersey Devil, but I always thought, and

492
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,480
you know, and I could be wrong, but I always

493
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,279
thought that the Jersey Devil was a misidentification of Bigfoot.

494
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,359
And the reason why we were down there is because people,

495
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,079
the Eric and the other researcher, Art Mac, they were

496
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,440
getting these reports of these really like crazy five to

497
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:36,440
six foot tall, hairy individuals they said, going into properties,

498
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,640
going on house properties, getting the garbage, bringing it back

499
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,720
out into the woods, and they're getting hair samples, they're

500
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,920
getting tracks, so very very bizarre, and they're not bears,

501
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,279
and they're on two legs. You know, some bears, if

502
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,240
they have like a hip impingement or something like that,

503
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,400
there's something wrong with their back, they will be on

504
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,319
two legs. But there was a large majority of these

505
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,039
things on two legs. So that's why we were down there,

506
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:10,240
and it was just another bizarre night, crazy and I

507
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,480
stunned you that much.

508
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: I've heard I've heard people you did, Stu. I've heard

509
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,720
people suggest that maybe maybe tales of the Jersey Devil

510
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:24,920
were people misunderstanding. They had a sighting of sasquatch and

511
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,880
they just thought, well, that's the devil we've heard about, right,

512
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,160
Was that something you when you were there, were people

513
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,759
conscious of.

514
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: That or you?

515
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, because there the thing was these guys were

516
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,240
getting reports of but they were all always inconsistent, Like

517
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,400
the Jersey Devil is supposed to be a big winged

518
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,519
like horse like creature, as big as a horse, but

519
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,160
there's also reports of it being as small as a

520
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,039
turkey or a medium sized dog. So it's always very inconsistent.

521
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,119
But uh, it was weird. But you know what Dominic

522
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,279
said was so who was with me that night was

523
00:27:57,279 --> 00:28:00,480
Dominic Setel, who is my paranormal teammate in this now,

524
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:05,000
Dominic is a spirit medium. This is completely and also

525
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:09,119
the dog man completely out of his wheelhouse, right, and

526
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,640
he said he felt safer in the pine barrens than

527
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,400
he did in Elcorn. Oh interesting, yeah, because it was

528
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,160
that was a really crazy night, man. I mean you

529
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720
could see everybody. You could see our faces on that

530
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,680
video when we heard that Hewl the third hel and

531
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,920
that was just insane, man, I mean, and the only people.

532
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:32,880
And it was great because we were only it was

533
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,119
a small crew, so it was me, Dominic and then

534
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,640
Ellen Collins and Ellen's son Scott. It was just the

535
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680
four of us out there and it was just we

536
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,680
just were just happy to be there at the right time,

537
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,039
at the right place, you know, the right place, right time. Now.

538
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,119
Six months later, we did another follow up investigation of

539
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,400
the Beast Ray Road and didn't encounter at that time,

540
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,599
which I'm kind of glad we didn't because number one,

541
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,240
for safety purposes. But if we did encounter it again,

542
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,079
people could say, oh, these guys are faking it, you know.

543
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,400
But we didn't encounter at that time at all. But

544
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,119
what we did get was one hundred and forty people

545
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,599
showed up at our town hall meeting that told their

546
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,519
story of seeing this creature, and they all described it

547
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,559
the same way. When it was on two legs, it

548
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,200
looked like it was gliding, but when it's on all fours,

549
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:28,759
it's really fast. So that was bizarre in itself. But

550
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,519
you know who else was saying that as well, was

551
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,799
when we did that dog Man investigation in bryn Athyen.

552
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680
They were describing the same thing that it was like

553
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:44,039
gliding on two legs, almost like floating. So really bizarre stuff, man.

554
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,400
And I mean I always say, at the end of

555
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,960
the day, people are seeing something, they're experiencing something.

556
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: Did dominic cusa, as you said, a spiritual medium, did

557
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,720
he have a sense that what you were seeing was

558
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,880
maybe more spiritual or paranormal than a physical type cryptid

559
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,839
What was his takeaway or he's feeling from that?

560
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second investigation of the follow up investigation, we

561
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,519
did have him tune in on something there, and you know, Dean,

562
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,720
he didn't really come away with really anything there. He

563
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,319
just thought of that it's there's a weird energy there.

564
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,319
He didn't really, you know, specifically say what was there,

565
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
what he was tuning in on it was. That was

566
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,359
hard for him because number one you know, we were

567
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,559
all kind of jumped up at that point, you know.

568
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,240
And and the weather was really bad too. And this

569
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:36,640
was April, this is like six months later. It was

570
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,799
the weather was really cold and rainy, and and all

571
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:43,319
the corn had been down as well. But you know,

572
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,319
and Bray Road, like I said, is only like two

573
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,920
tenths of a mile from Lee's farm. When we were

574
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,640
there in October, I found it really interesting though. We

575
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,079
put the drone up over Bray Road and people were saying,

576
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,400
you know, you can't park on Bray Road. You're going

577
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,039
to get arrested. You know, people are going to come by,

578
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:02,960
the cops are going to come by. We had no

579
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,640
problem at all. Even a police officer came by and

580
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
he goes, he goes, what are you guys doing. I said, well,

581
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,440
we're doing a documentary on the past of Bray Road.

582
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,799
He's like, oh, I have a great day, I said,

583
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,039
have you. He's like, have you ever seen it? I go,

584
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,839
did you ever see it? He's like no, but I've

585
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,519
heard about it, and he just he moved on, you know,

586
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,880
so he let us alone. So it was pretty interesting.

587
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,200
But when when Scott put the the drone up, we

588
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,240
saw and the corn was still there. We saw big

589
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,480
cutouts in the corn going over from Lee's barn, or

590
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,720
from Lee's property going over to Bray Road, crossing Bray Road,

591
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,319
and then going over into the quarry. So these big

592
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,880
cutouts and it wasn't a vehicle, there was nothing that

593
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,359
was driving in there. So it was really weird. So

594
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,599
we just got not too long ago, we got the

595
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:54,480
permission to explore the extra one hundred and eighty five

596
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:57,759
acres out there. So we are going to try to

597
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,000
plan another expedition next year.

598
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,119
Speaker 2: Fantastic.

599
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: I will let you know because you should definitely be there.

600
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's very kind. I've out with you when you're

601
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,920
in Wisconsin regardless.

602
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,359
Speaker 3: Because you're not that far from FROI not.

603
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm a few hours, but it's close

604
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,519
comparatively to with you. Would you know, if you bring

605
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,079
it in the East coast or something exactly.

606
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And Wisconsin is a big state, man.

607
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:24,440
We didn't realize that.

608
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's toilet is wide, you know what

609
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,720
I mean. But it's right, it's a sizable state. It's

610
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,079
not as tiny because out east there are so many states,

611
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:35,720
as you know, because you're from out East, which is

612
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,400
small states like Wisconsin's probably the size of half a

613
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,720
dozen plus, you know, New England states, maybe even more.

614
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,920
It covers a lot of land.

615
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: Definitely love it.

616
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: I love it here too. Out East is real pretty

617
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,000
as well. I was out there a couple of times

618
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,079
in the last the last year and a half shooting

619
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,119
for my feature documentary. Just having to interview people out

620
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,799
there for the rape am a bit I'm doing because yeah, yeah, yeah,

621
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,720
there collection And I hadn't been there. I hadn't been

622
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:05,720
out East for I don't know, Okay. It was so

623
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,839
nice to be back there. You do a lot of

624
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,319
paranormal investigations out there. When I mean that, I mean

625
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:16,240
ghostly ones. There's some experiences you've had that have been

626
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,359
particularly hair tingling when you've been looking into the more

627
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,720
traditional supernatural, like things we think of as spirits or

628
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:23,640
from the other world.

629
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,279
Speaker 3: Yes, there is a well, I'm sure you've heard of

630
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,000
the lady in white, right, Okay, now the lady in white,

631
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:33,799
Now correct me if I'm wrong, But the lady in

632
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:39,000
white is supposed to be waiting for someone, or guiding someone,

633
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,799
or protecting someone. And I've had my own encounter with

634
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:47,559
this entity. My father had one out here in Bucks

635
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,839
County and we did an investigation outside of a place

636
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,599
called New Hope, Pennsylvania, right here in Bucks County. And

637
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,200
it was an investigation on this lady and white encounter

638
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:03,519
that my friend Tim had in the late eighties. And

639
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,839
what was really weird about this was he was driving

640
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,119
his brother's VW and he was going over this bridge

641
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,719
out of nowhere, and it was so real to him.

642
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:17,360
This white woman in white appeared and he literally went

643
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,599
right through her. And he went right through her and

644
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,159
right on the bridge, and it was so real to

645
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,559
him that he slams the brakes on and he calls out,

646
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,400
are you there? Are you okay? And no one's there.

647
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,840
So we went down to the bridge and we did

648
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,719
this investigation, and Dean, I'll tell you, man, it was

649
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,440
the craziest thing. I had a flashlight with fresh batteries.

650
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,679
All of a sudden, this thing starts going crazy right

651
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,159
in that area, and it's all on the video. You

652
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,960
could see it on our video. It's called the Lady

653
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,800
in White. Then it was the weirdest thing. We went

654
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,079
down a little further down the road and when we

655
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,480
were walking back up. Our cameraman, Mike noticed it first.

656
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,840
We hit this, and it was this was April of

657
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,679
this year, and so it wasn't it was wasn't cold,

658
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,719
and it wasn't hot out either, but we hit this

659
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,920
like wall of heat right in that area. It felt

660
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,760
like a portal. It was like at least a thirty

661
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,639
degree temperature change warmer. It was like a heat and

662
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,719
it was just the weirdest thing, and we all felt

663
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,599
and you could see us get like, what the hell

664
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,320
is this? So and that was right in that area

665
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,199
where where Tim had his encounter. And then we were

666
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,800
getting orbs and stuff like that right there at the bridge,

667
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
So that was pretty interesting there. I know, my own

668
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:35,800
my own encounter though of this entity was in I

669
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,519
don't know if I ever told you the story was

670
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:43,119
in nineteen ninety seven and I was as a jazz musician.

671
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,320
I was going to a gig and I was on

672
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,239
one of the back roads here in Bucks County. It's

673
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,239
called Pine Lane. It's all up all woods, and I'm

674
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,599
going at a pretty good clip because I'm getting, you know,

675
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,480
late for the gig, and all of a sudden I'm

676
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:59,440
driving down and all of a sudden, the deer runs

677
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,519
out in front of me, and I hit it, and

678
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:05,519
I felt terrible. I hit this thing and I slammed

679
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,599
the brakes on and we're sliding like sixty feet. Now,

680
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:12,039
for your listeners, I'm a jazz musician. I play piano.

681
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,239
And so I get out of the car. I'm looking

682
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,559
at this poor deer. We're in the headlights. It's dead. Obviously,

683
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,559
I'm feeling terrible. And a woman's voice behind me in

684
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:28,199
the woods says, how's your hands? And I'm like, who

685
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,880
says that? So I turned around, goodness, and there she is,

686
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,320
all in white, comes out of the woods. But here's

687
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,280
the thing. She comes over to it. So I'm stunned.

688
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,039
First of all, I hit this deer. I'm already feeling,

689
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:44,920
like you know, in shock, and then this happens and

690
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,719
she comes over to the deer, takes this two hundred

691
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,719
pound deer by the ear and like drags it off

692
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,519
the road like it's light as a feather.

693
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,039
Speaker 1: Wow.

694
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she says to me, get in your car

695
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,719
and get out of here. Now I didn't see her.

696
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,400
I saw her, but I didn't see her mouth move

697
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,440
or anything like that. It's like I'm trying to describe this.

698
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,960
If someone was standing in the headlights, you know how

699
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,400
they're like blurry, like if the light was on you

700
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,320
and they're standing there, you can't see them. It's like

701
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960
the Witness Protection program thing that they do on videos

702
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,679
sometimes where they're silhouetted out. That's exactly that's what she

703
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,239
looked like. But I could see the white all white,

704
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,800
and she said get into your car and get out

705
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,960
of here. So I didn't say anything. I was stunned.

706
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,199
So I get in the car and I went to

707
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,679
the gig. I told the guys what happen. Still going

708
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,039
through my mind, like what the hell happened? And I

709
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:43,800
went so I told the guys would have and they

710
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,079
were freaked out. And then in my rational mind, I'm

711
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,159
thinking to myself, well, maybe there's a house in the woods.

712
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,239
Maybe there was a woman in the woods somewhere that

713
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,360
she's the one that spooked the deer. And that's how

714
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,960
I hit it. But I went back there the next day.

715
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:02,239
There was no houses around, nothing but woods, and the

716
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,000
deer was gone. But the deer could have been taken

717
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,199
by the game commission. But that was so weird and

718
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,360
it happened, and then you know, I didn't even think

719
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,880
of her as a lady in white though I didn't

720
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,639
even know about the lady and White. Only a couple

721
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,320
of years ago I realized this. I always thought of

722
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,079
her as like a guardian angel. I didn't even think

723
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,960
of her as a lady in white until And I

724
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,119
don't know why I didn't put the two and two together. Here.

725
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:34,679
My father had an encounter in nineteen seventy five. And look,

726
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,960
it was the seventies. My dad was a partier. I'm

727
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,159
gonna not sugarcoat it. He was a pretty big partier.

728
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,599
He later on became an alcoholic, unfortunately, but he was.

729
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,239
But this particular night, he said he was completely sober.

730
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,239
And what happened was and I heard this story my

731
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,480
whole life. We used to live in a place called

732
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:56,320
Upper Black Eddy, and we would literally be and we

733
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,039
had like we didn't have much. We had like a

734
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,280
We lived in a little duplex that we rented, and

735
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,320
we were on the bottom and there was somebody else

736
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,000
on the top. And we lived across the street from

737
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:09,119
the Delaware River. You know, we're washing across the Delaware

738
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,480
so Delaware River, and we're maybe about a quarter a

739
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:15,079
mile away from the river. So you can get a

740
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,639
good sight view of the water. And my dad's there

741
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,880
and it's two thirty in the morning. He's cooking a

742
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,280
little steak on the little habachi grill that we had

743
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,840
at the time, and he said, he's sitting there and

744
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,920
he's looking at the water, and all of a sudden

745
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,639
he sees something white floating on the river, and all

746
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,800
of a sudden, his eyes are adjusting. He says, my god,

747
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,519
it's a woman, And all of a sudden, from a

748
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,079
quarter mile away, she goes to look at him, and

749
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,280
when she looked at him, her face came right up

750
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,239
to his face and right there and then turned away,

751
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,960
went back on the river and started to floating down.

752
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,599
And as she's floating down, he said that words she

753
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:58,760
said were I'm going home. I'm going home. And he said,

754
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,360
you could hear these words echo through the valley. And

755
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,440
I heard that story my entire life, and even on

756
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,280
his deathbed a couple of years ago, I said, Dad,

757
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,039
did that really happen? And he goes, yes, I swear

758
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,079
that happened. So I always say, man, it was like,

759
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,880
you know, having him have that encounter and I had

760
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,079
my encounter. It was just I didn't realize that we

761
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,280
both had the same encounter. Even though his was on

762
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,559
the water and mine was in the woods, it was

763
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:28,119
still kind of like the same entity because on that

764
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:32,320
same road there is a restaurant called the Black Bass Hotel,

765
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,119
and the legend is there was a lady in White.

766
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,679
I don't know if it's the same Lady White, but

767
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,880
there's a lady in White that found out that her

768
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,480
husband was cheating on her. And this is in the

769
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,840
seventeen or late seventeen hundreds, wound up killing the husband

770
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,920
and the mistress and killed herself at this restaurant. And

771
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,119
she's been seen all over the area. So maybe that's

772
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:56,079
who I saw. I don't know.

773
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,159
Speaker 2: You know, it's so strange the proliferation of lady and

774
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,360
White stories, and both Horace Smith and Flat Rockland aka

775
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,480
Matt made points about, you know, the lady appears in

776
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,400
all these other stories. Why do you think there's so

777
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,239
many similar encounters, like all over the world.

778
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: Really, you know, maybe it's an angel. I don't know.

779
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Maybe maybe it's it's like I said, it's like they're

780
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,559
guiding you, because it's like this traumatic event that happened

781
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,800
for me and then she appeared. You know, and it

782
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,559
was just very very strange. She could have been an angel.

783
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,039
Maybe she was, you know, that was and that's what

784
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,519
I thought for years. I thought it was a guardian angel,

785
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,159
and so I took some comfort in that it wasn't

786
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:42,360
anything scary, but it was just kind of like there

787
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
and what she did that was what blew me away,

788
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,039
you know, just like taking the deer off the road

789
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:53,079
like that was insane. So and then having no houses

790
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,800
back there. But I, you know, and and my friend

791
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,679
Tim having the same encounter. I don't know, it's just

792
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,079
it's a strange. But maybe it's like now we're in Halloween, right,

793
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,599
the veil is getting thin. Maybe it's maybe it's around

794
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,880
those times of the year because it was like in

795
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,440
November that I had my encounter. I don't know exactly

796
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,719
what month my dad had is and I think Tim

797
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,719
had his encounter in maybe early October as well, So

798
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,119
who knows. I mean, that could be another dynamic to

799
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:24,639
the story.

800
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:27,079
Speaker 2: I was about to ask you, that's funny enough because

801
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,679
Jason Finch had said the thinning of the veil earlier.

802
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

803
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,639
Speaker 2: So it's fascinating that you that you mentioned it. Now

804
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,079
I do wonder if somehow because obviously the legends of

805
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:43,320
Halloween say it's a time when the veil you know,

806
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,960
is thin and the things from the other world can

807
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,880
come in. And I wonder if there isn't some kind

808
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,519
of truth to that. I'm not sure. I'm not sure

809
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,079
how or why. Maybe it's because the winter is approaching

810
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,880
and we're more conscious of or culturally in the past

811
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,880
we were certainly of death and the dangers of the winter.

812
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,159
Post it's funny when I lived in Sydney, of course,

813
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,679
well a Halloween's on the other side of the calendar.

814
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,119
So in Halloween you're going into this is October thirty one,

815
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,760
but I'm on the other side of the seasonal calendar,

816
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,920
so you're going into summer. It's getting warm, it's a

817
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,880
great time to throw parties, it's a great time to

818
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,079
have fun. It was only even in Sydney at the

819
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,760
other at the other side of the calend. Then when

820
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,280
it starts getting cold April May June, moving into the winter. Right,

821
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,559
it wasn't like here like now. I know what now

822
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:36,760
I comprehend after living here the impact that it must have,

823
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,960
particularly in like pre modernity, when there weren't like you know,

824
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:42,239
you couldn't get in the heated like my heaated truck,

825
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,079
my f two fifty. I can turn on the heat

826
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,920
and I can drive to town and you know, drive.

827
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,880
If there's a snow problem, I've got my you know,

828
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,079
my my snow blower. I can blast. But I mean

829
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,079
back in the day, oh yeah, I wouldn't just take

830
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,360
a drive to Walmart if you didn't have enough food

831
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,800
or you know, order on Amazon or Sam's Club or

832
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,679
whatever you use to get a food delivery, you know,

833
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,239
the next day or two days later, if you hadn't

834
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,039
bought in all of that food, if your harvest had failed,

835
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,599
if you hadn't butchered enough animals, if you weren't prepared

836
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:17,440
for the winter. Death was really present then. And I wonder,

837
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,440
I wonder how much to this, And I'm not downplaying

838
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:26,800
the reality of people experiencing things, but I wonder how

839
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,639
much that time of the year impacted our understanding of

840
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,719
the other world and the closeness that it seemed to

841
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
be to us. I think much of the thinning of

842
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,320
the veil I can better understand now, even though I

843
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,880
live in this modern system where I'm fine, you know,

844
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,360
to die if I don't have enough groceries in my cupboard.

845
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,519
Come you know, Halloween. Now, I understand it now because

846
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,480
it is the weather is so different, the season is

847
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,119
so different. I'm conscious in the fact that I've got

848
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,079
to cover my pumpkins if there are still any, you know,

849
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,119
on the vine when the first when the first frost comes,

850
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,159
I've got to get every way out before the first frost.

851
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,159
You know, I would in for the winter because I

852
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:08,519
would furnace. So I'm more in tune, and I'm not

853
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,760
in any threat, but I'm more in tune with those

854
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,000
people who in the Northern Hemisphere used to be Genuinely,

855
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:19,519
it was a time of potential life threatening experiences. Even

856
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:21,039
if you were ready, you know what I mean, you

857
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,239
could still get stepped in and Lord knows what would

858
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,199
happen to you. So I kind of get that now.

859
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:29,360
So I think your point about maybe maybe maybe it

860
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,079
became such a part of the collective subconscious or our

861
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,840
way of looking at death in the other world, that

862
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,440
at least a time, we interact with these things more,

863
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,079
or these things interact with us more.

864
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I couldn't have said it better, you know, And

865
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,400
I was just saying to myself, you're Australian. I didn't

866
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,840
realize now no, but I mean now, I mean it's

867
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,760
like you're right, it's like these things are you know,

868
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,320
they happen. But here's the other thing that I think

869
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,960
of too, that could be a possibility. Maybe maybe you'll agree,

870
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,719
maybe your listeners will agree. Is that I think that

871
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,480
also people are connected to the spirit world somehow. I

872
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:16,920
think somehow they're connected in a way, and maybe even

873
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,679
like maybe through family lines, you know, like maybe through

874
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,840
generation after generation, like that family member has had the

875
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,840
gift of second sight, so that's passed down to another,

876
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,920
you know, part of the family. Or it could just

877
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,039
be like maybe their antenna is more attuned to those experiences.

878
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,280
You know, we're because you could you know, you know

879
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,880
how it is you could be standing there and you

880
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,599
could see a full body apparition of a ghost, but

881
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,800
the person next you doesn't see it, and it's it's

882
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,960
just like, you know, it's that old dynamic of like

883
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,000
you know, you you uh, you see a red car

884
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:55,519
and you're thinking about the red car and then you

885
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:59,519
see it everywhere you know, and it's like or does

886
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:03,119
that make sense? Yeah, like what you're looking for then

887
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,719
you're seeing there's also talks are we creating the paranormal?

888
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,719
Are we creating that somehow in our minds? There's been

889
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,719
talk of people being able to call in UFOs, like

890
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,079
manifest these UFOs. So there's a lot. I mean, you

891
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:20,760
can go down a lot of rabbit holes that way

892
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,599
with what human beings are very capable of a lot

893
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:27,880
of we haven't even used half of our brain power.

894
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,920
So I think there's another there's probably a lot to

895
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,119
explore there, you know, the mind, you know, and what

896
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,800
we're able to uh to cultivate that way, you know,

897
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,320
and what were to manifest?

898
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: I agree, I think that we I think there are

899
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,039
things about the powanormal that we don't think about enough,

900
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,039
including what you just said, and including that maybe these

901
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:58,000
experiences that people have potentially tell us more about us

902
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,320
than we really want to think about, or maybe that

903
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,280
maybe that's the value of them. Maybe the value isn't

904
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,880
in discovering what the reality of proving the reality of

905
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,559
a ghost or the reality of Bigfoot or the reality

906
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,280
of a flying sauce, And maybe the value is what

907
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,760
does this tell us, regardless of the reality of these things, right,

908
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:22,280
tell us about us as a species and our fears

909
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,960
and our needs and our place in the cosmos. And

910
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,960
again this ties in with Halloween because maybe it tells

911
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:33,639
us an awful loss about about our position still within

912
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:35,920
this kind of natural order as well as in a

913
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,719
supernatural order, and these things do tend to come together

914
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,719
at this time of the year.

915
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you know, it's always two And I

916
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,280
don't know if you've found this or not, but it's

917
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,960
like there's never you know, it's there's never closure because

918
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,840
we're always there's always more questions than there is answers, Right,

919
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,079
So why do we explore the paranormal? Why are we

920
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:59,039
doing this? Because we are trying to search for the

921
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:02,239
truth of what is out there, you know, and what

922
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,880
people are experiencing. But again, it might be an individual thing,

923
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,239
because you could go anywhere in the country, right and

924
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,559
there is some kind of paranormal experience or a paranormal

925
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:19,239
event that people have experienced, whether it's UFOs, Bigfoot, whatever,

926
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,039
I think anywhere across the country there is a town

927
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,000
that's got that story. But again, maybe it's all individuals.

928
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:30,639
It's individuals that are able to manifest this paranormal activity

929
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,039
or just being so in tune to it. That's what

930
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,639
I'm saying. Again, it's like the mind being able to

931
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:40,559
cultivate all this stuff. Is that's another area of exploration.

932
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so, And I think that's what perhaps

933
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,719
we should focus on more as people who are interested

934
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,360
in this space, and clearly you do, which is one

935
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,400
of the reasons I like talking about I appreciate that

936
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,519
this stuff because you have somebody who has a very

937
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,199
open mind, which is I think you can't approach any

938
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,440
of this stuff with a closed mind. You know something,

939
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,360
I know what your take is, or you or you're

940
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,840
interested in this at all, or you've had any experiences,

941
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,360
or you've talked to anybody who has or One of

942
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:14,199
the things I love about Halloween is that often in

943
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,199
the modern tradition of Halloween, we tend to think more

944
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,119
about ghosts, and we tend to think more about witches

945
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,559
and monsters and pumpkins and all these other things. But well,

946
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,519
perhaps we say we think about spooks and sprites, right

947
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:32,000
as they labeled this show the sprites. Of course, in

948
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:37,440
the old Country where I come from, back generationally, not

949
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:37,679
in the.

950
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: Luck, which is the back in the day.

951
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, generations ago, my people were Celtic. They're Gaelic and

952
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,079
it wasn't you feared the dead on Halloween or you

953
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,840
were you were aware they would be looking in, you know,

954
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,519
the veil was down and they would be passing through,

955
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,719
and you were aware they were there. But when the

956
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,800
veil was down meant something even more to people of

957
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Ireland and of Scotland, and that was that all inhabitants

958
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,599
of the other world, which were perhaps even more dangerous

959
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,320
to us and more present to us. Was the fair folk.

960
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:17,239
Was the fairies, was the she was the other crowd,

961
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:23,239
And Halloween traditionally was as much about their presence as

962
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,719
it was about the presence of the dead. And it's

963
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,960
so complicated because the dead and the she or the

964
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,760
fay are often interconnected and they often inhabit the same

965
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,320
space in Old Celtic law. But have you in your

966
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,039
many investigations, because you've done so, and have you come

967
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:42,519
across like fairy law or fairy faith? I know, I

968
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,639
know America is genuinely generally thought of a place of

969
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,000
fairy faith, but I know sometimes some of this law

970
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,239
came over to the New World.

971
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,199
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't we haven't experienced anything like that,

972
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,199
but we did. I mean, you could say, similar to it,

973
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,239
but not maybe not. But we have had reports of

974
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:09,840
people seeing small individuals, not as midget like, but smaller

975
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,320
walking like like a guy was walking or he was

976
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,679
driving out of his driveway and it was like two

977
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:21,800
in the morning and these three people in hoods, small

978
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,880
people walking in front of his truck on this property.

979
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,960
Was crazy, and it was weird because they didn't look

980
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,920
like normal human beings but they were. And the one

981
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,840
turned and looked back at him and like shuffled away.

982
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,079
They didn't like walk, but they shuffled, So that was interesting.

983
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,119
And that was a that was at a local vampire

984
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,239
museum that they had this encounter. And I'll tell you

985
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,639
a dean in that particular place, the Vampa Museum, there's

986
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,280
all kinds of really crazy stuff going on in there,

987
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,000
so I'm not surprised if there is kind of fair

988
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,079
lore in that place, because he has over seven hundred

989
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:05,960
vampire killing sets.

990
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: In this you know.

991
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize, but in Europe people had these

992
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,719
in their homes for protection, and it was amazing, Like

993
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,559
we have here crosses in the Bible, you know, and

994
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,920
that kind of thing these people had right down to

995
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,920
the Holy Water. The salt, you know, the steaks, the hammers, insane,

996
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,400
so you know, it's that kind of stuff. But that

997
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,480
particular museum with all the haunted objects has a lot

998
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,320
of crazy stuff, but we haven't really haven't delved into

999
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,880
that though. That's something that that I wouldn't mind kind

1000
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,719
of looking into a little bit more as well, because

1001
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,760
there is there's all kinds of things that we haven't

1002
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,480
even scratched the service with.

1003
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: Well, there's so much in this space, and you do

1004
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,920
a great job on the things you do, but you

1005
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,519
could you could if you live for a thousand years,

1006
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,000
it'll it'd still be cold. You could poke into I mean,

1007
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:54,559
it never.

1008
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: Ends, it's never any Yep, it's but it's But at

1009
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,119
the same time, it's fascinating because you know, I just

1010
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,719
had a UFO report and I did a UFO video

1011
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,280
on this. It's on my YouTube channel. And what struck

1012
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,880
me about this UFO report was the fact that these

1013
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:19,880
particular objects were squealing and flying around each other. They

1014
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,000
were doing this electronic squealing and they were like playing

1015
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:26,559
with each other. But the witnesses said they were translucent,

1016
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,639
and she described them as like cartoon splats. They were

1017
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:33,280
like pulsating like that, and they were doing this and

1018
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,679
playing with each other, but this high pitch squealing. And

1019
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,239
then they see and this is in the ocean, by

1020
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,119
the way over the ocean. And then they're on a

1021
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,519
cruise ship at twelve o'clock at night, and other people

1022
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,679
in the ship saw it. Then they're looking. He goes

1023
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,719
to go get his phone to go take a picture

1024
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,239
to see if they come back. She says, look, look, look,

1025
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,320
and he grabs him brings them back and here an

1026
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,199
orange orb is coming out of the water. Hover is

1027
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,239
there for a second and then takes off. After those

1028
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:11,440
two things, So then I think to myself, translucent squealing.

1029
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,280
Are we even talking about like machines? Maybe we're talking

1030
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,960
about a new life form, you know, because look at

1031
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,480
all the reports now of all these UFOs coming out

1032
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:27,079
of the water, and even like even the grays. I

1033
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,000
don't know if you'll agree or not, but don't you

1034
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:32,440
think the grays kind of look aquatic? They look like

1035
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,599
they could be fish.

1036
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,119
Speaker 2: That's interesting what I will say about things coming out

1037
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:38,719
of the world. Because now we even have Tim Burschet,

1038
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,199
who's one of the main you know, Congress and people

1039
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,559
who are all for UFO transparency, and disclosure and this,

1040
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,079
that and the other, talking about you know, underground or

1041
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:53,840
not underground, underwater UFO basis. But this stuff goes back.

1042
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,840
There's a long history in ufology. Forget about folklore, because

1043
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,159
there's even a longer history, but at the very beginning

1044
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:03,760
of the modern euphological era, which was really as I

1045
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,960
talk about extensively on the show, and I've talked about

1046
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:09,320
in the short documentary. I have the Shaver of Mystery

1047
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,800
and the feature that I'm making, but it is that

1048
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,079
Richard Shaver back in amazing stories in the mid nineteen

1049
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:19,480
forties were saying there were these ancient races and some

1050
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:21,320
of them lived beneath the earth and some of them

1051
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,880
in the waters, and they were technologically advanced, and they

1052
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,599
had essentially flying sources. And then the late great Ivan Sanderson,

1053
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,599
who was a friend of John Keel, who was also

1054
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:33,079
one of the main cryptozoologists. He's a person who did

1055
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,880
so much work in early cryptozoology. We owe so much

1056
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,719
of what we think about cryptods to Ivan Sandersen. He

1057
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,440
wrote a book called Invisible Residents, and it was essentially

1058
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,960
saying that these UFOs are probably at least some of

1059
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,639
them are coming from beneath the surface of our oceans,

1060
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,440
our seas, and so I think this and if you go,

1061
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,519
of course, if you go into older fairy folklore and

1062
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:59,320
other various religious folk lo it's the idea of civilizations

1063
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,679
under the sea. And right now it's a very it's

1064
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,280
a long standing tradition.

1065
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,199
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I mean, you couldn't Yeah, you could talk

1066
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:08,719
like you said, for you could talk about this stuff

1067
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,800
for a thousand years and not get to the to

1068
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,559
the meat of the story. But you're right, it's it

1069
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,400
goes back. I mean, Dean, it goes back thousands of years.

1070
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,119
I think they've been here. They're they're already here because

1071
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:23,280
of the frequency of these sightings. They've got to be

1072
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,920
here already, you know. And now the fact that they're

1073
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,679
not they haven't really been. There's not really been a threat,

1074
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,480
right there's not really. I mean the airline, the pilots

1075
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,760
and those kind of things. There is now that kind

1076
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,519
of thing where you know, there's being seen almost every day.

1077
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,599
They're becoming like, you know, like you don't want a

1078
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:47,400
mid air collision, you know. So that's that's the only

1079
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,519
thing that they're talking about now is the safety factor.

1080
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,719
But for them to even talk about it is amazing.

1081
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,960
I mean, they're just to acknowledge that that's going on

1082
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,280
is amazing.

1083
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:03,519
Speaker 2: It's so a weird, weird world that we inhabit, Eric,

1084
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,679
and I'm grateful that there are people like you that

1085
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880
go out there and do the hard yards and look

1086
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,480
into the weirdness. So people like make and just hypothesize

1087
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:18,440
on shows like this. As always, you are an incredible guest.

1088
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,440
Can you let our listeners and our viewers know who

1089
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:25,719
mightn't be familiar with you, where they can get ahold

1090
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,000
of your books, where they can watch your show, what

1091
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:31,320
websites go through, Throw a few different addresses or places

1092
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:31,679
for them.

1093
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: Oh, that'd be great. Thank you so much, and likewise, man,

1094
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,719
always a pleasure talking with you. You could get my

1095
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,440
book it's called Eric Intel Investigates Casebook Investigations right on Amazon.

1096
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,599
You can also see my show on a couple of

1097
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,000
different areas a YouTube of course, Eric Bintel Investigates. There's

1098
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:56,039
a platform on app you can get on Pocono Television.

1099
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:59,440
We just partnered with Pocono Television. It's an app on

1100
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,360
any rope Co TV, any smart TV. You can get

1101
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,719
the app. We're on every night at seven o'clock and

1102
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,360
new episodes on at eight o'clock on Saturday nights. And

1103
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,199
then we're also on channel called The Beyond Paranormal Channel,

1104
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,400
also on any smart TV and a lot of different

1105
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,880
cable stations and things like that. But those are the

1106
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,280
ones that you'll be able to see right away. And

1107
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:25,440
then we've got a lot of really cool things coming up.

1108
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,239
We're doing a video on the on Bigfoot in Milford,

1109
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Pennsylvania pretty soon. I'm finishing up right now, the November ninth,

1110
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:41,880
nineteen seventy four Carbondale, Pennsylvania UFO encounter which these people

1111
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,840
saw this incredible and this crowd encounter of this orange

1112
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,880
orb landing in the local silt pond, which everybody saw it,

1113
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,840
and it glowed into this pond for like hours and

1114
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,519
could not be explained to this day. And they're still

1115
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,320
talking about it so much so that they put together

1116
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,360
this festival, the Carbondale Alien Festival, and I'm speaking there

1117
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,519
on November eighth in Carbondale, Pennsylvania. And then, like I said,

1118
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,360
this weekend, if anyone's around the Jim Thorpe area listening

1119
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,599
here in Pennsylvania, we've got the first annual Jim Thorpe

1120
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:23,320
Para Con on Sunday, November two from twelve to five,

1121
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,000
and Nick Pope's gonna be there and Bill Burns, So

1122
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,559
we've got a lot of it's gonna be a lot

1123
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:29,760
of fun. But we're always doing something. Dean, there's no

1124
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:32,519
grass that grows under my feet.

1125
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: Man, you can say that again. I would encourage people

1126
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,079
to get your books. What's your show? Which is always

1127
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,440
so much fun, and if they anywhere mee where any

1128
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,360
of your appearances are, to go and check you out.

1129
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 3: Definitely. And you had mentioned about Halloween.

1130
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,679
Speaker 2: Movies earlier, Yeah, what's your favorite?

1131
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: Hell, one of my favorites obviously is Halloween John Carpenter,

1132
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,559
the Original and then you've got it. You've got to

1133
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,079
say that you got to watch this. It's a great pumpkin,

1134
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:02,239
Charlie Brown, So there you go.

1135
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: My daughter is I raised it to be that way,

1136
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,719
but she's such a fan of the and the Vince

1137
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,920
Geraldo scores are just so absolutely as you well know,

1138
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,159
but we watch that every year, So people should definitely

1139
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,960
watch the great. Yeah, it's a great pumpkin, Charlie Brand

1140
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,559
and Halloween and Halloween three, there's so many, there's so

1141
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,719
wonderful Halloween films out there, and I have to have

1142
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,800
you back on to talk about the UFO case when

1143
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,119
when you drop that story.

1144
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: That would definitely when that comes out, I will send

1145
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,480
you a link and obviously it'll be on YouTube and

1146
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:39,000
all that, but yet, definitely let's talk because it's an

1147
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,519
incredible story, Dean. We could really, we could really dig

1148
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,119
into that. It's really really cool.

1149
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to have you back because it's

1150
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:48,639
always such an incredible pleasure. I appreciate it, so thank

1151
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:50,760
you again Man for being on. It was great, Dean.

1152
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,039
Speaker 3: Thank you man. You are a gentleman and a scholar,

1153
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:54,880
and I really appreciate it. Man, thank you so much.

1154
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:59,400
Happy Halloween, be safe, okay.

1155
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,679
Speaker 2: Man, you have a very happy Halloween as well, and

1156
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:04,199
I hope everybody else out there has a happy Halloween.

1157
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,519
I hope you enjoy carving your pumpkins if that's what

1158
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:10,320
you do, eating your candy corn and your peanut butter

1159
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,840
cups as I do, and watching your favorite Halloween movie.

1160
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,559
Make sure to lock the doors and set your jack

1161
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:19,840
O lantern outside as I do every year, to keep

1162
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,920
the spooks and this writes away, and have a very

1163
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,800
happy Halloween, and until I talk to you all again,

1164
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,119
which will be same we'd time saying. Weird Network the

1165
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:35,039
Untold Radio Network next Thursday at nine pm Central. Please

1166
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:37,320
keep it weird.