Speaker 1: Oh bed of bar, Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is
Speaker 1: Jacob and today we have a very special guest.
Speaker 2: Hold on, no, this is actually the Paranoid America in podcast.
Speaker 2: You guys, you're on my You're on my show, and
Speaker 2: I can't be showed up. You've got you've got a
Speaker 2: better intro that I do. You've got the better like
Speaker 2: radio voice and the charisma. So you gotta least give
Speaker 2: me throw me a bone here, let me get started
Speaker 2: without taking over the show completely.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, welcome Cole Conspiracy. Welcome aboard. Man.
Speaker 2: I've been on your show a couple of times. We've
Speaker 2: chilled that number of different Bohemian groves. You guys are
Speaker 2: kind of like the best in the biz. You're like,
Speaker 2: you go to Rumble, You're on the top. There you
Speaker 2: go anywhere, You're in like the top zero point whatever
Speaker 2: percent of conspiracy podcast.
Speaker 3: How do you do it? Who's your funder? How did
Speaker 3: you get Israel to back you? Dude?
Speaker 1: If you read the Spotify comments, on some very real levels,
Speaker 1: people think that I'm bought by Israel And the only
Speaker 1: reason is because I just don't inherently blame the Jews
Speaker 1: for everything. Like I understand that the Jews in Israel
Speaker 1: have a very solid hand in our government.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna deny that.
Speaker 1: But when something goes wrong, I'm not to me like
Speaker 1: it was clearly moves sad. So obviously I'm an israel plant, clearly,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Will asks you, what do you blame the Jews for?
Speaker 2: If it's not for everything, there's got to be at
Speaker 2: least one thing.
Speaker 1: The air National banking conglomerate. I think there's a pretty
Speaker 1: solid stance to take on that point. And if we're
Speaker 1: going to go that route, the funding of both sides
Speaker 1: of every war from Napoleon to now, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: no problem with that. But like every single thing, does
Speaker 1: not inherently lead to the Jews. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: more often than not, I finally lead to the Gypsies.
Speaker 1: But I'm just a crazy conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: Throw that one out, Like the Romani people, gypsy dude,
Speaker 2: like the fucking travelers.
Speaker 3: So tell me more, how how are the Romanis ruling
Speaker 3: the world? This is a new one for me.
Speaker 1: So all right, and that's the deal, right, It's it's
Speaker 1: all about the optics. They want you to think that
Speaker 1: they're like white trash that just lives in houses that
Speaker 1: are super nice but super empty, right, and they drive
Speaker 1: nice trucks, but they beat the shallow because they want
Speaker 1: you to think that they're just the scum of the earth.
Speaker 1: In reality, they're pulling the strings. Brother, they're out there
Speaker 1: and doing the most this and even further back, Oh,
Speaker 1: Hollywood's controlled by the Jews. But baba, Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: cute point. And I'm not gonna deny that a lot
Speaker 1: of very large companies within Hollywood are owned by Jewish people.
Speaker 4: That's a fact. But let's go even further back from
Speaker 4: when Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even the golden standard that it is, or at
Speaker 1: least was it's not today. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the silent films. You ever heard
Speaker 1: of a guy named Charlie Chaplin.
Speaker 5: No, I did not know.
Speaker 3: He was just like a Romani gypsy.
Speaker 4: Like an actual romani gypsy by blood.
Speaker 1: Yes, the actual A List celebrity to end all, be
Speaker 1: all all A List celebrities was an actual gypsy. And
Speaker 1: then to sidestep that, they fucking branded him as a
Speaker 1: kami to get him off the radar. Because it's all
Speaker 1: about the Jews, and it's like, I feel like y'all
Speaker 1: are missing the obvious markers here. But yeah, clearly it's
Speaker 1: about the the Israel people.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like we're off to a great star already. In fact,
Speaker 3: I got a.
Speaker 2: Little thing that I usually leave for the very end
Speaker 2: of the show, but whenever I've got more than one
Speaker 2: person at a time, I find it it's better to
Speaker 2: start with it. So let me just let me just
Speaker 2: kick directly into and I'll explain what's happened.
Speaker 1: He conspiracy abouts, I double dare you to take some
Speaker 1: PCP the Paranormal Conspiracy Probe on your marks, get set
Speaker 1: and go.
Speaker 2: I were front and load in this one. The rules
Speaker 2: are pretty simple. I'm just gonna mention a topic and
Speaker 2: I want both of you, Jacob and Raven Lee to
Speaker 2: both rate it on a scale from one to ten
Speaker 2: on how much you believe in this thing.
Speaker 3: So you don't have I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to hear you both answer and then you
Speaker 2: can kind of duke it out maybe. So let me
Speaker 2: just start with dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: Mm, so how would you.
Speaker 4: Zero?
Speaker 3: Zero A? They're all made up?
Speaker 2: And then ten is like the one hundred percent the
Speaker 2: real and it's silly to even question it.
Speaker 4: Hmm, Oh, you want to go first to me, you
Speaker 4: go first.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it at a solid eight point five and
Speaker 1: there's some caveats here, right. So I believe that certain
Speaker 1: dinosaurs did exist, yes, but there's been so many things
Speaker 1: that have come to lightly. For instance, the long neck.
Speaker 1: We've all seen the lamb before time, little foot dude.
Speaker 5: That was a whole part of pose traumatic, so traumatic.
Speaker 1: Come to find out that type of dinosaur it never existed.
Speaker 1: The person that found quote unquote discovered the long neck
Speaker 1: or the Bronosaurus, if I'm not mistaken, basically super glued
Speaker 1: the skull of one dinosaur, the neck of another dinosaur,
Speaker 1: and the body of another dinosaur and said they found
Speaker 1: a new species. So like, there's absolutely some chicnians, some
Speaker 1: fuckery afoot, and I'm willing to acknowledge that. But I
Speaker 1: also do believe that there is prehistoric animals that we
Speaker 1: have found fossil records of, and some of their ancestors
Speaker 1: still exist today, i e.
Speaker 4: The alligators and the sharks and things like that.
Speaker 1: Horseshoe crab absolutely which we use their blood in a
Speaker 1: lot of our medical industry today, but that you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that every single dinosaur that we've
Speaker 1: ever thought of actually existed, but I'm saying the vast
Speaker 1: majority of them did.
Speaker 4: I'm putting it out a solid eight point five.
Speaker 5: I think I would go seven point five.
Speaker 4: Okay, you did, you did? Archaeological I know.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm like.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, So I do agree that we have obviously
Speaker 6: fossils that are still that are actual prehistoric fossils. We
Speaker 6: also have creatures that are still around today that are
Speaker 6: from that era, but there is a lot of things
Speaker 6: that they've misled, they've carbondated wrong. They've also you know,
Speaker 6: spliced different bones together to create these you know, animals
Speaker 6: or creatures or whatever they want to call them. So
Speaker 6: I don't know, I'm kind of teetering on the seven
Speaker 6: point five to eat scale. But I do believe there
Speaker 6: is at least some residents for dinosaurs, and that there
Speaker 6: was different types of dinosaurs, just not as what we say,
Speaker 6: like what you know Jurassic World is now.
Speaker 1: Also, I do believe in dragons, but I also believe
Speaker 1: that we might be calling those dinosaurs too far ahead.
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold, on.
Speaker 2: The next one is going to be dragons. So I
Speaker 2: wanted to dragons, and let me put some caveats in here.
Speaker 2: You can't construe it to me, like that's what old
Speaker 2: ancestors used to call dinosaurs. We're talking flying and or
Speaker 2: fire breathing like the things.
Speaker 3: Ven.
Speaker 1: So it also, like you said, it depends on the culture.
Speaker 1: Right in Southeast Asia, these were furry snakes that ran
Speaker 1: across the rain drops, and like Rya exactly, those were
Speaker 1: dragons per that culture. European puts these to be the winged,
Speaker 1: fire breathing, scaly dragons that we see in like bale wolf.
Speaker 4: The Native American had their own version of it.
Speaker 1: The South American natives had their own version of So
Speaker 1: like when we say dragons, quote unquote, that's there's a
Speaker 1: wide berth that goes into this.
Speaker 2: You pick out of all those different versions of a dragon,
Speaker 2: you pick your favorite region that you think is closest
Speaker 2: to being true, and just give me, like, what what
Speaker 2: number that would fall in.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you, brother, I'm putting out
Speaker 1: of solid ten sold ten. Reason being, there's a few
Speaker 1: examples of let's call them tropes for lack of better
Speaker 1: words that no matter what culture you're talking about, these
Speaker 1: these civilizations that never had contact with each other, they
Speaker 1: all had very similar stories. A few of these would
Speaker 1: be vampires, zombies, shape shifters, giants, dragons. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: one hundred percent that they're all saying that this exact
Speaker 1: thing took place across the world. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: there is at least that kernel of truth that all
Speaker 1: of these cultures and all of these civilizations started those
Speaker 1: stories off of.
Speaker 4: So did the actual dragons.
Speaker 1: Of old look like, sound like, breathe fire, whatever, like
Speaker 1: we might think maybe yes, maybe no, But did dragons exist?
Speaker 1: There's no way that the Aztecs and the French and
Speaker 1: the Southeast Asians and the Australians all acknowledged dragons existed
Speaker 1: when these people never talk to each other unless there
Speaker 1: was that kernel of truth that connected it all.
Speaker 4: So I'm putting out of solid.
Speaker 6: Ten right right related, I'm pretty much like nine point
Speaker 6: five ten. Dragons is one of my favorites. So that's
Speaker 6: definitely something that I'm like, please be real, I love
Speaker 6: the theories.
Speaker 2: So how about ghosts? And we can qualify however you want,
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna say ghosts and then let you define.
Speaker 1: That ten mm zero what. I don't believe in ghosties
Speaker 1: at all, really, not even a little bit. Now, Oh,
Speaker 1: you are very different religious backgrounds, and that's very fair. Yes,
Speaker 1: so per my religious beliefs, I don't believe that a
Speaker 1: spirit or a soul is going to get caught between
Speaker 1: the ether and start fucking with people on earth. If anything,
Speaker 1: I believe that it might be a demonic force that
Speaker 1: is projecting itself as a deceased loved one or something
Speaker 1: that is trying to make itself known to you.
Speaker 4: And that also goes to my background.
Speaker 1: I had a demon connected and attached to me until
Speaker 1: I was like twenty five, and in the very earliest
Speaker 1: stages of that, it presented itself as my grandmother who
Speaker 1: had recently died. Now that being said, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that uh like weed gi boards are communicating with the dead.
Speaker 1: I believe that that is absolutely real as well. But
Speaker 1: the apparitions or the ghosties of it, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: actually believe in those.
Speaker 6: So wow, I really thought that you'd at least have
Speaker 6: some kernel like maybe I was thinking he'd probably honestly
Speaker 6: be like maybe a two point five to three I
Speaker 6: didn't think you would go straight zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no there's no real room for discussions with
Speaker 2: a zero, right, I know, he's just like you're at
Speaker 2: the other end of that extreme.
Speaker 5: At the extream of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I I completely believe that there is ghosts and
Speaker 6: that there is an in between, and there are things
Speaker 6: that we just don't quite understand fully, because I believe
Speaker 6: that a lot of people have seen, for example, the
Speaker 6: I don't know what they're actually called, but they're like
Speaker 6: for me personally, I call them like the dark the
Speaker 6: dark man, grayman. They're like dark shadows, but you see
Speaker 6: them like all the time, and like they consistently move around.
Speaker 6: They're with you like all the time, honestly, And I've
Speaker 6: talked to a lot of other people that have had
Speaker 6: those experiences where like you kind of you see them
Speaker 6: out of your peripheral and like you know that there's
Speaker 6: something else there, there's a presence with you, you just
Speaker 6: aren't sure exactly what it is. Me personally, I've had
Speaker 6: like weird experiences for a long time, like my whole
Speaker 6: life pretty much, and I just kind of ignored at
Speaker 6: this point.
Speaker 5: I'm just like whatever, go away.
Speaker 6: But I know a lot of people that have had
Speaker 6: different kind of experiences with ghosts, and I actually really
Speaker 6: believe that there is an in between and that there
Speaker 6: are spirits of some type that are trapped or maybe
Speaker 6: it's like another dimension that's kind of linked to us
Speaker 6: and that we're seeing, like the feeds of souls that
Speaker 6: we aren't quite sure from another dimension. I'm not one
Speaker 6: hundred percent certain what it is, but I think there's
Speaker 6: way too much evidence in so many people that have
Speaker 6: said throughout, you know, the last couple of centuries, that
Speaker 6: there is a ghost to just be like, nah, there's nothing.
Speaker 1: So I believe in the shadow man like you're talking
Speaker 1: about what. I don't believe that those are souls that
Speaker 1: are caught.
Speaker 4: In the ether.
Speaker 5: You believe they're demonic?
Speaker 1: Yes, almost one, because every time that because it's like
Speaker 1: to say, of the spiritual realm, there has to be
Speaker 1: a positive and a negative.
Speaker 4: Right, they live in a binary world.
Speaker 5: So then why is it that? So what's the positive
Speaker 5: caveat to that?
Speaker 6: Because if everything is demnic, then what is a positive
Speaker 6: in the form of a ghost or a spirit.
Speaker 1: So I've also witnessed than angel and I have witnessed
Speaker 1: a demon both with my own eyes right, that demonic
Speaker 1: story and Angel had to come in and save me twice.
Speaker 1: And so I've seen him with my eyes. I know
Speaker 1: his name, i know what he looks like, all the things.
Speaker 1: So when we look at the world, there's very few
Speaker 1: areas of gray. There's a very black and white world
Speaker 1: that we live in. There are a few caveats. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to side.
Speaker 5: Step in actect there is nothing but grays.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no way of you right, well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's the fact it's like a binary cow.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I feel like there's so much that overlaps and blends together,
Speaker 6: that black and white is so clear cut when there's
Speaker 6: so many things that are so unknown to us at
Speaker 6: this time that there is just to me personally, there's
Speaker 6: so many areas of gray that can be up for interpretation,
Speaker 6: that can be discussed that it's subjective to each person's experience,
Speaker 6: their background, what they're open to, you know, are they
Speaker 6: more sensitive to kind of you know, any kind of
Speaker 6: spiritual activity. You know, are you completely closed off? Like
Speaker 6: it just depends. I don't think there is just a
Speaker 6: black and white code that's happening. I think there is that,
Speaker 6: But on top of that, there's gray in between.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of our gray area is
Speaker 1: human misunderstanding. And I'm not saying that to where it's
Speaker 1: one person versus another. I think it's things that we
Speaker 1: cannot neatly explain one way or another at this time,
Speaker 1: so we throw it into the gray. But it's like
Speaker 1: the binary code is ones and zeros. Right, basketball is
Speaker 1: either in the hoop or out of the hoop. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that one side is more or less
Speaker 1: better or worse than the other. It just kind of
Speaker 1: is what it is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Not a big believer in say, like quantum physics, where
Speaker 2: there could be a third state or a fourth state.
Speaker 1: No, Well, but look into those third and fourth states.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's a yes and a no. It's
Speaker 1: both at the same time. But that doesn't negate that
Speaker 1: it was a yes and a no happening.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a gray to me. If it's yes and no,
Speaker 3: that sounds like gray.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make it an in between. It shows
Speaker 1: both possibilities, but it doesn't decide that it's not choosing.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get in there what we're gonna get I'm
Speaker 2: really curious too, though, on Raven Lee. If you're believe
Speaker 2: in ghosts, do you think ghosts could be put to work?
Speaker 2: And I know, and we're not talking about demons or
Speaker 2: like gamons or angels, but if there were a ghost,
Speaker 2: which I kind of would assume is sort of a
Speaker 2: neutral entity, you don't go to Hell for dealing with
Speaker 2: the ghosts, right, and you're not necessarily like dealing with
Speaker 2: an angel.
Speaker 3: Could you put one to work, like.
Speaker 5: Use it for your own means or yeah, like a couple.
Speaker 2: I'll give you two examples. Okay, there's versions where people
Speaker 2: explain ghosts or knocking things off of shelves or knocking
Speaker 2: things out of cabinets. Let's say you're short and you
Speaker 2: needed like a thing off the top shelf. You could
Speaker 2: be like, hey, go, they are capable of knocking things
Speaker 2: off shelves, right, so technically they can knock it off
Speaker 2: the shelf. And then likewise, if they can open and
Speaker 2: close doors, you could technically harness that kinetic energy and
Speaker 2: use it to like power your PlayStation or something.
Speaker 6: Hmm, I've actually not really thought of it like that.
Speaker 6: I feel like there is maybe a potential to I
Speaker 6: don't know, maybe work with them to be able to see,
Speaker 6: you know, from the other side, kind of see what's
Speaker 6: going on and like maybe there, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 6: be more enlightened. I've never really thought about actually using
Speaker 6: them to be like, hey, can you can you shut
Speaker 6: that for me?
Speaker 5: Can you hand that to me?
Speaker 6: I mean maybe I've never really looked into it, but
Speaker 6: I mean everything has energy, and if maybe somebody is
Speaker 6: open to the possibility and there's like enough you know,
Speaker 6: energy passing between two people or you know, spirit in
Speaker 6: that person, potentially I don't know, trying to figure.
Speaker 3: Out a way we can move off fossil fuels.
Speaker 1: Well, now now I have to change my answer from
Speaker 1: zero to one. Oh okay, there's some caveats to that, like,
Speaker 1: for example, when you go to Gettysburg or when you
Speaker 1: go to the hot Gates where the Spartans at there
Speaker 1: the last end of the three hundred or something where
Speaker 1: there is a battleground where there was mass death. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of death in this one, even if
Speaker 1: you recall like a five square acre plot of land
Speaker 1: and there were thousands of lives lost there, So.
Speaker 2: Like a like a planned parenthood in a metropolitan area
Speaker 2: one percent.
Speaker 1: Now you're with me, right, obviously, So I feel like
Speaker 1: for that to happen, that much energy exchanged to be
Speaker 1: happening in that point in time, there's no way that
Speaker 1: the earth itself is not going to have some sort
Speaker 1: of resonance energy with that, and so, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say necessarily ghosties, but I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: good enough as term as any to put to that.
Speaker 1: The Native Americans believe that when so much blood was
Speaker 1: spilled on a certain plot of land, the earth would
Speaker 1: gain a thirst for it and there would be some
Speaker 1: negative entities attached to it, not necessarily demons, but it
Speaker 1: was like the soul exchange that took place at this
Speaker 1: plot on that specific day changed the earth itself.
Speaker 4: At that point.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, water has memory, and our body and
Speaker 6: our blood has made so much of water, so I
Speaker 6: mean and essentially the water aka the blood is seeping
Speaker 6: into the land, so it should, by all accounts, have
Speaker 6: a memory of what happened, plus have the energy harnessed
Speaker 6: that is leaving the You know, it's such an intense
Speaker 6: battle or violent desks and stuff that normally associates with
Speaker 6: intense energy. So yeah, it would make sense to have
Speaker 6: that much energy located in one position.
Speaker 1: But it Also, there's so much Hollywood bullshit that has
Speaker 1: been associated with this over the past few years, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, the Myrtle's Plantation.
Speaker 4: You've heard of it, go on.
Speaker 1: It's of the top five most haunted places in America. Right,
Speaker 1: it's old plantation home in Louisiana, and it is a
Speaker 1: gorgeous location.
Speaker 4: They'll get me ready, but it's so haunted. Here's the
Speaker 4: bitch of it.
Speaker 1: My aunt, like my actual aunt, my godmother as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, grew up there for the vast majority
Speaker 1: of her childhood and teenage years. But they sold it
Speaker 1: because it's a bitch and a half to try to
Speaker 1: upkeep an antebellum plantation home. Any repair you have to
Speaker 1: make has to go through like three levels of approval,
Speaker 1: and then you start the process of paying for it.
Speaker 1: So they sold it to some people, who sold it
Speaker 1: to some people who sold it to some Hollywood people,
Speaker 1: and then somewhere around the early nineties, the Myrtle's Plantation
Speaker 1: is the most haunted in America.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's fucking not. Like she never even had
Speaker 4: a nightmare the entire time she lived there. Not one
Speaker 4: ghost story, not well, you know, the spirits.
Speaker 1: Of the slaves. They just come after the people. Now
Speaker 1: they don't, They fucking don't.
Speaker 4: So I'm not.
Speaker 1: Saying there is a absolute zero. I'm saying there's at
Speaker 1: least that crumb of possibility for the ghosties, but so
Speaker 1: much of it has been mythologized and put into lore
Speaker 1: that honestly, at this point it's practically zero. But I
Speaker 1: will at least give the caveat that maybe there is
Speaker 1: something that we can't easily explain when it comes to
Speaker 1: that intermediate space.
Speaker 2: Well, we were able to get Jacob to go from
Speaker 2: a zero to one with five minutes, so I feel
Speaker 2: like if we kept this topic we could get it too.
Speaker 3: We could get it too. We'll leave it for later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can give it maybe two out of him.
Speaker 3: I know what.
Speaker 6: I'll take the wind for the one. Okay, I'll take
Speaker 6: the wind.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 3: And can you rate holy water? Just the concept of
Speaker 3: holy water?
Speaker 5: You almost you did.
Speaker 4: Drink come out of my nose? Brother, holy shit?
Speaker 1: Okay, raven le you first me being a you know,
Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic for a while, I got my
Speaker 1: own opinions.
Speaker 4: But please, if you go first.
Speaker 5: Rate holy water, do I believe that it's real? Well?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with, like.
Speaker 6: M maybe like a four point five.
Speaker 4: Really maybe five, that's way higher than I thought you.
Speaker 5: I was gonna go.
Speaker 6: Maybe like a three point seventy five. I was like, no,
Speaker 6: I mean, you can't. I can't justify saying that it's
Speaker 6: not real when I do believe in exorcism. So I'm like, Nope,
Speaker 6: I have to still agree that there is some merits.
Speaker 4: Believe in exorcisms. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I honestly expected Raven Lee to say that it was
Speaker 1: a zero point three five.
Speaker 4: Out of ten.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, but that's like saying, Okay, so on
Speaker 6: one hand, I wholly believe in ghosts, but.
Speaker 5: I don't believe in exorcisms.
Speaker 6: To me, that doesn't make any sense, Like if I'm
Speaker 6: going to be open to all spiritual entities, then I shouldn't,
Speaker 6: in fact include I do believe that there is demons
Speaker 6: in demonic possessions, and I one hundred percent believe that,
Speaker 6: like there there should.
Speaker 5: Be maybe some I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just believe that there's some type of power in
Speaker 6: at least uh trying to get demonic possessions.
Speaker 1: But ghosts and demons aren't the same thing. Or do
Speaker 1: you acknowledge them to be kind of close? Uh?
Speaker 6: No, I believe that they could be different things. I
Speaker 6: just like, to me, there should be if you're harnessing
Speaker 6: energy by using for example, like you know, using different
Speaker 6: relics or doing a ritual or some kind, why wouldn't
Speaker 6: you Why wouldn't I still agree with doing a ritual
Speaker 6: practice of blessing water and using that to you know,
Speaker 6: use it as a for demon in possessions. So if
Speaker 6: I'm if some of you's doing a normal ritual, then
Speaker 6: you know it's one and the same, so it's a ritual.
Speaker 2: Nevertheless, I'm going to round you to a five. It
Speaker 2: sounded like you were close enough to a five. We
Speaker 2: can just call it that.
Speaker 5: I guess we'll go to a five.
Speaker 1: So my background with it, I was raised Roman Catholic
Speaker 1: up until I was about twelve years old. My mother
Speaker 1: is a non denominational Christian. My father is a Catholic.
Speaker 1: So I've seen both sides of the coin as far
Speaker 1: as the Protestant movement goes and the Catholic movement goes.
Speaker 1: So I am not going to sit here and say
Speaker 1: that I don't believe that things can be blessed I
Speaker 1: absolutely do believe that.
Speaker 4: However, when it comes to holy water.
Speaker 1: When I was in catechism at the Roman Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: they were telling us about holy water and actually brought
Speaker 1: us back behind the little behind the little stage or
Speaker 1: the altar or wherever the priest does his things, and
Speaker 1: they showed us a fawcet where only holy water comes
Speaker 1: out of. For the record, it's hooked up to city water.
Speaker 1: Just so everyone's clear. It's not like a tank of
Speaker 1: holy water that this is being fed off of. It's
Speaker 1: city water. But he blessed the faucet, and therefore all
Speaker 1: the water that comes out of that is blessed.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, just wait, oh, it's about to get better.
Speaker 6: And I was like, wait, you don't believe in holy
Speaker 6: water and I believe more than holy water.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait wait wait, I haven't given my
Speaker 1: number yet. Okay, number yet, so hold on. So and
Speaker 1: I'm watching this and I'm like, all right, And for
Speaker 1: the record, this faucet wasn't like gilded in gold.
Speaker 4: It was a regular fawcet, right, But I let it go.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, okay, blessings can maybe work third party
Speaker 1: like that. I'm eleven years old. At this point, I
Speaker 1: don't know any different. I'm listening and I'm like so
Speaker 1: real quick. And I was the only one to ask
Speaker 1: this question. And I felt like such an asshole after
Speaker 1: asking because of the look that all the other kids
Speaker 1: in the catechism gave me. But whatever, it was a
Speaker 1: solid question. I was like, so, the holy water that
Speaker 1: goes down the drain, what happens to that? Does it
Speaker 1: just like go to the sewer and it blesses all
Speaker 1: of the sewer water? Like do we have holy sewer
Speaker 1: water out here that we're just like unaware of? Like
Speaker 1: the modad is a holy modad and shit, like it's
Speaker 1: a holy septic tank.
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: And so he's like, actually, no, the way this was piped,
Speaker 1: it goes out to the ground outside, because holy water
Speaker 1: must go back.
Speaker 4: To the earth.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so you're just letting this holy water
Speaker 1: get ran outside, Like there's a massive mudpile out behind
Speaker 1: the church where all this holy.
Speaker 4: Water is just getting dumped and we're just like letting
Speaker 4: that shit go to waste.
Speaker 5: I what if you plane it, do you get eaten
Speaker 5: like more blessed?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: If I was to plant a tomato plant at the base.
Speaker 5: Of holy holy water, blessed tomatoes.
Speaker 4: Holy tomatoes.
Speaker 6: Yo, you could sell them at a market, see like,
Speaker 6: look they were blessed this and they were grown on
Speaker 6: with using holy water.
Speaker 4: This is where my eleven year old add brain went.
Speaker 1: And the people that were teaching the catechism class got
Speaker 1: quite annoyed with me.
Speaker 6: Gonna be honest, there's the reason why I left the
Speaker 6: church when I was a teenagers.
Speaker 4: We went back to a Catholic church.
Speaker 5: I have, oh my God, about to.
Speaker 1: Say, you were raised in a evangelical church, so you
Speaker 1: went to a Catholic church before.
Speaker 6: I only went there for two things. I've only been
Speaker 6: twice in a wedding and a funeral. It was both
Speaker 6: a funeral and then I actually got drugged to a
Speaker 6: sermon or whatever and it was like a mass.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was so long.
Speaker 4: It's an hour.
Speaker 6: No, we were there for three and a half hours.
Speaker 6: I don't know why I was there for three and
Speaker 6: a half hours. It was god awful.
Speaker 1: Oh you've got one of them priests that were like
Speaker 1: gonna go through every line liturgy.
Speaker 6: It was so much and we were up and down
Speaker 6: so much. I was like, I'm gonna break a sweat
Speaker 6: just doing this, like what are we here for? And
Speaker 6: so many Hail Mary's and I was like, why are
Speaker 6: we hail marrying?
Speaker 5: Like I am so fucking confused.
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy because the Catholic Mass is not supposed
Speaker 1: to have a Hail Mary in it, So you were
Speaker 1: there for like something special.
Speaker 5: I don't look.
Speaker 6: My girlfriend was like, hey, I don't want to go
Speaker 6: to church by myself, and I was like I don't
Speaker 6: want to go to church either, but she's like, you
Speaker 6: know what, We'll just go. It'll be super short and
Speaker 6: we'll go to the movies afterwards. She's like, bade me
Speaker 6: to go, and I'm like, okay. Three and a half
Speaker 6: hours later, I'm like, are we dying? Are we gonna
Speaker 6: die in this church? Like I felt like we were
Speaker 6: like blessed, re blessed, and I was like, are they
Speaker 6: gonna sacrifice?
Speaker 5: At this point?
Speaker 6: Like dude, God, it was so many different things happening,
Speaker 6: and I was like, what is going on right now?
Speaker 5: So I just wanted to go watch Blade, Like that's
Speaker 5: all I wanted.
Speaker 4: You got to go to.
Speaker 1: Mass before you go see Wesley Snipe slays some vampire.
Speaker 5: You know what. One of the greatest cinematic movies ever made.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not denying that calms.
Speaker 6: Down like the best opening scene of every like any
Speaker 6: movie period.
Speaker 1: All right, So when it comes to with me personally,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it also at five out of ten.
Speaker 1: Do I believe that things can be bla including water?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, With the caveat the majority of the I've seen
Speaker 1: these people with these little plastic bottles of Oh that's.
Speaker 4: Real holy water.
Speaker 1: You mean a dude waved his human hands over it
Speaker 1: and said that it's blessed. When the Bible says that
Speaker 1: if you are following the word of God, then you
Speaker 1: are a saint by definition. So like you, if you
Speaker 1: are walking in the righteousness in the way, you can
Speaker 1: bless shit. You don't have to get approval from another
Speaker 1: man to make yourself more or less valid than any
Speaker 1: other man. But that also comes with some responsibilities, and
Speaker 1: that comes with some skin in the game.
Speaker 4: But that's a talk for another day. So yes, do
Speaker 4: I believe that holy water can be a thing. Yes.
Speaker 1: The vast majority of shit that is claiming to be
Speaker 1: holy water, uh, you know, it's very similar to those
Speaker 1: relics that like this is the bone of saint ignacious.
Speaker 1: In reality, that's a fucking chicken bone somebody broke off
Speaker 1: into a piece and put in a little glass case,
Speaker 1: like you know. Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm apt.
Speaker 2: I feel that this is close enough related, and I
Speaker 2: got to ask about transubstantiation in general.
Speaker 4: Let's do that.
Speaker 3: So turning wine into blood, right, which I think is
Speaker 3: is almost specifically a Catholic practice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So let's just.
Speaker 2: Let's just assume that you give into whatever Catholic predisposition
Speaker 2: you had, like how how legitimate is transubstantiation?
Speaker 1: So all right, when it comes to something biblical, I say,
Speaker 1: is it a salvation issue or not?
Speaker 4: Give an example of this. Noah in his flood?
Speaker 1: Was it a myth in a story that got told
Speaker 1: so many times they finally wrote it into the Bible? Okay,
Speaker 1: and I don't believe that's true, But let's say it
Speaker 1: is true. Is that a salvation issue? Can you get
Speaker 1: to Heaven without believing in Noah in the arc?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Does it give you more of a backdrop to the
Speaker 1: story of the entire.
Speaker 4: To why we needed Jesus?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not a salvation issue, So I don't give
Speaker 1: it that much credence, saying that Mary is the Mother
Speaker 1: of God. I might find that a bit blasphemous, but
Speaker 1: I also feel like Protestants do not give Mary enough
Speaker 1: recognition for being the literal carrier of the new arc
Speaker 1: of the New Covenant. We should be putting some respect
Speaker 1: on her name, for sure, but not believing that Mary
Speaker 1: is the Mother of God.
Speaker 4: That's not a salvation issue. Transubstantiation.
Speaker 1: Do I believe that when you go and take Holy
Speaker 1: Communion that the little fucking styrofoam wafer allegedly unlever bread,
Speaker 1: It's styrofoam.
Speaker 4: It's styrofoam.
Speaker 1: And do I believe that that going into your body
Speaker 1: is turning into Jesus Christ's actual flesh.
Speaker 4: No, No, I do not.
Speaker 1: And believing that, again, I do not believe is a
Speaker 1: salvation issue. It might be a faith issue, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: and we could have these debates. People have been doing
Speaker 1: that for the last two thousand years.
Speaker 7: But I don't believe that yes or no to the
Speaker 7: Holy Communion is going to be the thing that makes
Speaker 7: or breaks you getting your name written.
Speaker 1: Into the Book of life, so to speak. So I
Speaker 1: don't believe that trans of satiation is real. Also, if
Speaker 1: you take Holy communion and then in the next forty
Speaker 1: eight hours they take a stool sample. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: find DNA of another human being that's not you. That
Speaker 1: test has been done multiple times, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: they found humans, know for sure, they have done the
Speaker 1: studies on it, and the DNA that they have found
Speaker 1: quote unquote is uh. It's inconclusive, meaning it could be
Speaker 1: that own person's DNA, like maybe they ate their fingernail
Speaker 1: that day or something like that and they got some
Speaker 1: sort of human DNA in their stomach and they just
Speaker 1: kind of roll with it. It's not enough, it's not
Speaker 1: a conclusive enough statement or investigation to say that, yep,
Speaker 1: that's clearly the blood of Jesus Christ. Not to mention
Speaker 1: they believe that Jesus Christ was ab blood type. And
Speaker 1: if you take a piss sample of somebody forty eight
Speaker 1: hours after and they're oh positive, I promise you're not
Speaker 1: going to find remnants of a by blood in their piss.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's one of these things that it's a
Speaker 1: faith issue, and I'm not gonna shit on Catholics for
Speaker 1: having their faith in this regard and mad respect for
Speaker 1: the amount of faith that it requires, but I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree that transubstantiation is not going to
Speaker 1: keep you from heaven or send you to hell. So
Speaker 1: I don't really put a lot of weight behind it.
Speaker 6: So what you're reading, Obbs, you're out of ten? Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't believe it either, so I'm zero ten.
Speaker 2: How about that Lee Harvey Oswald had anything to do
Speaker 2: with JFK's assassination beyond just being the patsy? But like,
Speaker 2: do you think that he was in on it, like
Speaker 2: he pointed a gun, or that he knew something was
Speaker 2: going to happen?
Speaker 5: I feel like you have so much more historical background
Speaker 5: on this than I do.
Speaker 1: So was he in the click that something was gonna
Speaker 1: go down? I believe probably?
Speaker 4: Yes? Was he the trigger puller? No? No, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: So I'll put that at a one out of ten,
Speaker 1: And I'm being very generous with that one out of ten.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I guess maybe like one too.
Speaker 6: I feel like he actually knew at least to something,
Speaker 6: like he agreed to take the fall, so he knew
Speaker 6: something what's gonna happen, But I don't know about how
Speaker 6: much there you go?
Speaker 4: Help?
Speaker 3: How about Bigfoot go ahead?
Speaker 5: Or ten?
Speaker 4: Out of ten.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm a seam scranch believer. I have always been
Speaker 6: and I probably always will be. It's like one of
Speaker 6: my first things. I well, that's because there's like literally
Speaker 6: a Bigfoot placed down the street like.
Speaker 5: A whole museum from where I grew up.
Speaker 6: So I have always believed, without a shadow of doubt
Speaker 6: that this is something that's.
Speaker 1: Do I believe the sam Squinch existed ever throughout the
Speaker 1: course of history exists? Yeah? Sure, No, Do I believe
Speaker 1: that it exists today in the realm that the cultural
Speaker 1: zeite guy says, not even a little bit. I'm putting
Speaker 1: this in set of solid like two out of ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say that there's an air dimensional, half
Speaker 1: ape giant prehistoric that's super sentient and can communicate through
Speaker 1: telepathy and all these things and all these but to
Speaker 1: the point, all these Native American tribes have a story
Speaker 1: about it. All these ancient stories have a story about
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot. So I believe that there's that kernel of
Speaker 1: truth for sure.
Speaker 5: What about the Yetti that's his cousin, the.
Speaker 4: Same thing, the same thing.
Speaker 1: There's that kernel of truth that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: deny to say that it exists to the realm that
Speaker 1: people put it to today, not even fucking close.
Speaker 4: So I'm putting out a solid two out of ten.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about HARP, And I don't mean being a thing,
Speaker 2: because it is a real thing, right yeah, But I
Speaker 2: mean that that it has the capabilities that usually get
Speaker 2: espoused to it.
Speaker 3: Let's just list a couple of them.
Speaker 2: Mind control would be one, creating tornadoes or hurricanes. Weather
Speaker 2: manipulation would be another one. There's some stated uses for it,
Speaker 2: but I'm curious how much credit do you give that
Speaker 2: HARP is actively being used in some sort of global
Speaker 2: plays like you would see on conspiracy channels.
Speaker 5: So I will talk.
Speaker 6: I will speak just strictly on the weather manipulation aspect
Speaker 6: of it. There is quite a few patterns that they
Speaker 6: have created in the last few I don't know, probably
Speaker 6: about eight nine years that are associated with HARP that
Speaker 6: are about like cloud seating, different types of planes that
Speaker 6: they've used over California. The patent like four different plane
Speaker 6: models that pretty much manipulate whether. There's quite a few
Speaker 6: things that they have created that can in fact manipulate
Speaker 6: what weather, including like tornadoes, increasing them, changing the directions
Speaker 6: and strength of hurricanes, those kind of things.
Speaker 5: So I just in that regard, I.
Speaker 6: Do believe like eight out I don't know, eight out
Speaker 6: of ten, I would say for sure.
Speaker 4: I'm putting in a solid ten at ten.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and then plus they have the cloud dating,
Speaker 6: not just the cloud seating, the giant cloud making machines
Speaker 6: up in Alaska that they make clouds off of, and
Speaker 6: so I mean they're completely able to control the weather
Speaker 6: and manipulate.
Speaker 5: Plus you're talking about seismic activity.
Speaker 6: You have the rods in the ground that you can
Speaker 6: actually change the they're tracking the seismic activity of things.
Speaker 6: But there's also there was this story in patent that
Speaker 6: was talking about being able to shift kind of like
Speaker 6: the strength in which they were able to make it
Speaker 6: happen and potentially make a volcano erupt, and they didn't
Speaker 6: do it, but they were like, well we could have.
Speaker 6: We kind of have the capability of doing this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I believe what really sold me on Harp aside from
Speaker 1: the clouds heating, aside from the hurricanes that they just
Speaker 1: seem to send right down the pipe of a place
Speaker 1: that just needs a little cataclysm, and all of that.
Speaker 1: I could sidestep that and put it towards random natural
Speaker 1: disasters to a point. So when I was working in
Speaker 1: the oil refiners and chemical plants in Louisiana, you would
Speaker 1: see this big band of rain about to come through,
Speaker 1: and if it starts raining, work has to stop.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: You would see these plants fire up all their furnaces,
Speaker 1: all their boilers and send heat up into the sky,
Speaker 1: and you would literally watch a storm cloud just wave
Speaker 1: come through, split around the plant, and then reconnect and
Speaker 1: then continue once it got to the other side. The
Speaker 1: only dry spot in the city would be at that facility.
Speaker 1: And that's a very small that's a micro as far
Speaker 1: as weather manipulation goes. So if they could do that
Speaker 1: at the small scale with these industrial plants just to
Speaker 1: keep workers working, I know for a act, they could
Speaker 1: do it at the macro to send massive blizzards or
Speaker 1: massive tornadoes or hurricanes or earthquakes anywhere else. And that
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, they absolutely are controlling the
Speaker 1: fucking weather.
Speaker 4: There's no way they're not, honestly.
Speaker 3: Next up is the theory of evolution. How close do
Speaker 3: you think that is to the truth?
Speaker 4: Braving?
Speaker 6: You want to take this? This is something we've talked
Speaker 6: to a good bit about. I actually did a presentation
Speaker 6: my first Cult episode I ever was featured on.
Speaker 5: It was about evolution and the evolutionary theory.
Speaker 6: So I have different thoughts about this in particular thing
Speaker 6: I've done tons of research into it.
Speaker 5: I believe that there is at least there is truth
Speaker 5: to some of it.
Speaker 6: I think that we are at least connected, that there
Speaker 6: are Neanderthals.
Speaker 5: I think there is different types.
Speaker 6: That we at least have some mutation, you know, we
Speaker 6: evolved in some way. Some of it doesn't link up
Speaker 6: for me personally because it just kind of doesn't make
Speaker 6: one hundred percent since, but there is a lot of
Speaker 6: it that I've read that does make sense as in
Speaker 6: an evolutionary aspect. So I would say at least at
Speaker 6: least honestly like a seven seven out of ten.
Speaker 1: So for me, evolution as far as we all came
Speaker 1: from monkeys zero out of ten. Evolution in the sense
Speaker 1: of a species adapting to their environment over the course
Speaker 1: of thousands of years and changing as a result of it,
Speaker 1: or genetic mutations or whatever else. Sure absolutely like to
Speaker 1: say that all dogs came from the dire wolf, or
Speaker 1: all cats came from the saber tooth tiger, or all
Speaker 1: elephants came from the wooly mammoth. Okay, that, but that's
Speaker 1: not an entire species change. That's adaptations for their environment
Speaker 1: over time.
Speaker 3: And what if we skip species.
Speaker 2: What if we don't say monkeys, What if we said
Speaker 2: humans came from Amiba's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's preposterous to me to say that a
Speaker 1: single cell organism somehow mutated enough to become a multi
Speaker 1: cell organism, then somehow mutated to become a fish that
Speaker 1: somehow mutated to become a reptile, that's somehow mutated to
Speaker 1: become a mammal that somehow mutated to become what we
Speaker 1: have as human beings, or at least Homo sapiens that
Speaker 1: then mutated to be Homo sapien sapiens like we are today.
Speaker 4: That is so many the.
Speaker 1: Ratios the statistics to make that happen isn't even like
Speaker 1: one in a million. We're talking like one in a
Speaker 1: quatrillion shot of all things lining up oh so perfectly
Speaker 1: for that to make sense. And if I was to
Speaker 1: hand you a pistol and I told you you have
Speaker 1: a one in quatrillion shot of this pistol going off
Speaker 1: would you say that you have a chance, or would
Speaker 1: you say that's a malfunctioning weapon.
Speaker 2: I mean I would dodge the question a little bit
Speaker 2: and point out the statistics of having a planet that
Speaker 2: we live on that's capable of sustaining life is.
Speaker 3: Also one of those like one in a qui drillion, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, which tells me that that's not by accident, that's
Speaker 1: by intelligent design.
Speaker 6: Do you think that we ever had that we ever
Speaker 6: had Neanderthals, and that humans actually intermxan bread with them,
Speaker 6: and so that we created an entire new species of
Speaker 6: quote unquote humans.
Speaker 4: I believe Neanderthals existed as well as Australia, Pithecusts and
Speaker 4: all the other pre human humanoid existences. Yes, but to
Speaker 4: that point, and then you.
Speaker 5: Believe that just everybody came from Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: Per our genetic code. Now, yes, that's not even a
Speaker 1: questionable thing. Even the most atheistic and secular sources have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that all humans stem from a mono pair
Speaker 1: at one point in time. If they didn't, there's no
Speaker 1: way that a black woman from Sub Saharan Africa would
Speaker 1: have every single sequence of a genetic code within her DNA.
Speaker 3: It's about the mitochondrial eve the theoretical might have.
Speaker 4: That's not a theory.
Speaker 1: That's not a theory though, that's a that's a confirmed
Speaker 1: scientific fact. So at least we know that we are
Speaker 1: all connected. We're talking thousands of years back. At least
Speaker 1: all humans on Earth had to come from an original source. Now,
Speaker 1: for my religious beliefs, I can believe it's one thing.
Speaker 1: For a scientific belief, we could believe another. But we
Speaker 1: can't deny the fact that all human beings stem from
Speaker 1: a male female pair at one point in time. Now,
Speaker 1: was there multiple sets at one point in the ice
Speaker 1: age all wipe them out? Was a younger, driest type
Speaker 1: of flood situation? Was it a Noah's flood syite situation?
Speaker 1: We could hypotheticalize all these things till the cows come home.
Speaker 1: But to say that all humans are connected by genetic code,
Speaker 1: that's not a theory to me personally.
Speaker 4: That's scientific fact.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that we are all related to
Speaker 1: the Neanderthal. That's not to say that we are all
Speaker 1: related to Australiapithecus. These also are like subsets that we
Speaker 1: only recently found evidence to suggest that they even existed
Speaker 1: beyond theories only in the last one hundred and fifty years, give.
Speaker 3: Or take all, right, rate flat Earth zero out of ten?
Speaker 5: Uh hmm.
Speaker 6: I actually I wouldn't say that. I would at least
Speaker 6: give it. I'm gonna give the argument at least a
Speaker 6: two out of ten. Really, I'm gonna I would rather
Speaker 6: stay open to I let me I guess preferences, because
Speaker 6: I've never actually said in my where I'm at with it.
Speaker 6: I do believe that the Earth is in a circle,
Speaker 6: but I will say that I am open to having
Speaker 6: the conversation and listening to other people there, just like
Speaker 6: I am with hollow Earth and different theories.
Speaker 5: I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 6: I think maybe there is a potential argument to be
Speaker 6: had on all sides, and so I'm down to hear
Speaker 6: every side of it. So I at least will give
Speaker 6: it the openness to have Alisa too, so that way
Speaker 6: I can listen to other people's theories on it and
Speaker 6: keep an open mind all right within that too.
Speaker 3: What about the concept of infinite land?
Speaker 4: Oh, land beyond the ice wall?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, not just land beyond the ice wall, but
Speaker 2: infinite land that goes forever, right, because that is one
Speaker 2: of the many different of the flatter theories that what
Speaker 2: happens beyond the ice wall. I mean, there are some
Speaker 2: examples where the theory is that it's.
Speaker 3: Infinite land and it's hidden because of real estate prices.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I'm not gonna believe that one. I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: I'm not zero zero one.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna i'm that one.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to honestly be at a zero because
Speaker 6: I do believe in like our solar systems, so we
Speaker 6: can't have infinite if we are in a solar system
Speaker 6: in and of itself, infinite space, I do believe in.
Speaker 5: It's wild.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know NASA everyone feels, you know, NASA's
Speaker 6: faking gay. But I will say if you look at
Speaker 6: some of the photos that they've been pumping out, and
Speaker 6: I don't know obviously if they're real or not, but
Speaker 6: if you're looking at the space photos that they've been
Speaker 6: allowing us quote unquote to see that they're getting back
Speaker 6: from the the little robots they sent out like ten
Speaker 6: years ago, it looks like it's just infinite.
Speaker 5: To be honest, it's just never ending.
Speaker 6: The black holes in and of itself, the different own
Speaker 6: little universes, that we can kind of see on the
Speaker 6: outer edges of the picture, like those are universes within
Speaker 6: universes and with more universes, and.
Speaker 5: It's like it just seems like it's never ending.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, with that being said, also, we've had Sean Hibbler
Speaker 1: on the show and shout out to him. I love
Speaker 1: him to death, and he was bringing up the fact
Speaker 1: that they keep discovering new land on Earth, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, what do you mean. They just discovered
Speaker 1: like two thousand islands off the coast of China that
Speaker 1: weren't on the map ten years ago.
Speaker 4: What do you make of that?
Speaker 1: Well, a little bit of research would tell you that
Speaker 1: China started dredging the ocean floor and bringing sand to
Speaker 1: the service to make sand bars so that they could
Speaker 1: claim that they're sea lanes, and therefore their political reach
Speaker 1: was further out than it actually was, and they showed
Speaker 1: it on the map, and all the two thousand small
Speaker 1: little pockets of sand that is technically land that is
Speaker 1: technically owned by China, which pushes their economic boundary another
Speaker 1: so many nautical miles, except for the fact that that's
Speaker 1: not how the nature actually works, and all of those
Speaker 1: two thousand islands that they just discovered are now back
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ocean, because the ocean's gonna ocean,
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna create new land like that without
Speaker 1: a fucking up. They did the same thing with Katar.
Speaker 1: They started dredging the ocean to make these islands that
Speaker 1: they could build hotels and casinos on, and they've all
Speaker 1: gone to ruin because the upkeep on those do not
Speaker 1: justify the amount of costs that it takes to build
Speaker 1: them in the first place. So yeah, I don't believe
Speaker 1: in infinite land by any means, and I am the
Speaker 1: resonant globe tart of the cultic conspiracy.
Speaker 4: I have looked very deeply into flat Earth.
Speaker 1: We've had so many guests David Weiss more specifically, we
Speaker 1: still have a standing bed. If I could prove to
Speaker 1: him the Earth is round, then he gives me his
Speaker 1: three bitcoins. If he proves me the Earth is flat,
Speaker 1: I have to get a tramp stamp of his face.
Speaker 1: But that's fine. But I've done all this research into it,
Speaker 1: and the problem is that with the flat earth community
Speaker 1: it falls into two camps. There's some nuances, yes, but
Speaker 1: more often than not, it falls into two camps. Either
Speaker 1: A you believe it's flat because of religious dogma and
Speaker 1: some sort of a scripture that tells you so that
Speaker 1: you're mistranslating, misquoting, or B you believe it's flat and
Speaker 1: you're like three questions away from acknowledging that Hitler was
Speaker 1: actually the good guy of World War two. And there's
Speaker 1: very free you gray areas between the two on this one.
Speaker 2: There is an odd cross over there. We'll have to
Speaker 2: explore that on a different episode, but there is some
Speaker 2: interesting crossover.
Speaker 4: How about crazy?
Speaker 2: How about celebrity clones? And let me be clear, I
Speaker 2: don't mean that you could clone a celebrity. I mean
Speaker 2: that there's like two Jamie Fox's, or there's two fill
Speaker 2: in the blank, right, pick your favorite one.
Speaker 3: There's two Michael Jackson to any.
Speaker 2: Of them, and not just that they clone them, and
Speaker 2: there's like a baby version, but there's like an adult celebrity.
Speaker 5: Believe it, yeah, believe it ten out ten?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me let me ask a little bit
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: Since you're both so convinced that a ten out of
Speaker 2: ten on this one, how do you know that you're
Speaker 2: going to need a clone of a celebrity before they
Speaker 2: turn into a celebrity. What if they're twenty thirty years
Speaker 2: away from becoming a celebrity, wouldn't you just have to
Speaker 2: be cloning like all these kids? And then once they
Speaker 2: don't make it what you just like nix their clone.
Speaker 1: I think cloning technology is not what they tell us,
Speaker 1: uh Like for instance, the with Dolly the sheep, it
Speaker 1: took them years to figure out how to clone a sheep,
Speaker 1: but then the it had, they had to age it properly,
Speaker 1: and then it died shortly thereafter. They acknowledged that they
Speaker 1: were able to successfully clone a sheep in the seventies,
Speaker 1: and then they just claimed that, oh, well, that was
Speaker 1: a fun experiment. We're not doing anything else with that anymore.
Speaker 1: That's that's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 1: I believe that they could probably clone a human being
Speaker 1: to be exactly the correct day, age, memory, banks, all
Speaker 1: the things of the original. And I also think that
Speaker 1: they are fucking it up a lot more often than
Speaker 1: they're getting it right. I eed Joe Biden. So I
Speaker 1: was stationed in DC when Obama was in office. I
Speaker 1: was within five feet of Joe Biden multiple times, the
Speaker 1: fucking guy that was allegedly the president before Trump. This
Speaker 1: last term that was not the same Joe Biden that
Speaker 1: I served under. I'm gonna be very honest with you,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that because he was shorter and
Speaker 1: he had a facelift.
Speaker 4: I mean physically, that was not the same human being.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: I think they absolutely cloned Joe Biden, but they fucked
Speaker 4: it up so bad. It's like a printer.
Speaker 1: Think about you printing something but your printer's running out
Speaker 1: of toner. I think that's about what happened with the
Speaker 1: latest iteration of Joe Biden. And that's just one example.
Speaker 6: But I mean, why why would they not give like
Speaker 6: the best version. But like Katie Pierry is a good
Speaker 6: one too.
Speaker 5: We've all seen the video.
Speaker 6: Where her eye is like sticking and all that, but
Speaker 6: people say she's potentially a robot instead. And Avril Levine
Speaker 6: is a good one as well, where they've said, like,
Speaker 6: you know, they like, look at her face, its slightly changed.
Speaker 6: You know, this isn't the same person. There's quite a
Speaker 6: few of them that they kind of question that are
Speaker 6: they clone or not. I do believe that it's kind
Speaker 6: of like the Island of the movie where they're cloning
Speaker 6: people exactly to the time and date they need. You know,
Speaker 6: what happens if one person gets you know what happens
Speaker 6: if they get sick, or they.
Speaker 5: They need parts from something.
Speaker 6: You know, they just have a clone on standby, or
Speaker 6: they're just interchanging them and they're just like, you know,
Speaker 6: cycling through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that Stanley Kubrick was involved in the
Speaker 2: moon landing in any capacity.
Speaker 4: I'm putting it out a five.
Speaker 1: I do believe that the footage of the first moon
Speaker 1: landing was fake as fuck to say specifically Stanley Kubrick
Speaker 1: that was a part of it, possibly, possibly not. I
Speaker 1: you know, he he also was a very prolific director
Speaker 1: during that timeframe, So like, what's to say that he
Speaker 1: was involved as opposed to Scorsese. You, I don't know,
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that there's no chance. I'm also
Speaker 1: not completely convinced that he was the director.
Speaker 4: But the overarching theme.
Speaker 1: Of if the moon landing footage was fake, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was embarrassingly fake.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I believe it's fate too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I do believe we've been to the moon since then.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that we made it there in sixty nine.
Speaker 5: You don't believe Katy Perry went up in space.
Speaker 4: I did. I did for a moment, Is he really?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 4: Because I do believe that rockets are real.
Speaker 1: I believe that going to low Earth orbit is a
Speaker 1: thing that can happen held China.
Speaker 6: Oh No, I mean, I mean I believe that we
Speaker 6: were going up into I just didn't believe that she
Speaker 6: honestly went.
Speaker 5: The whole production looked fake as all hell.
Speaker 1: So before I looked at the footage, I did believe
Speaker 1: it was probably real. You know, Bezos with all his
Speaker 1: money fund some sort of a dick shaped rocket to
Speaker 1: go to space for the fuck of it, just to
Speaker 1: like flex for his fiance. Okay, rich people be doing
Speaker 1: wild shit, Okay, whatever.
Speaker 4: Then I saw the footage.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, ooh, big big oof on that one.
Speaker 4: Uh, it looks very very fake.
Speaker 1: And then whenever he runs up to the capsule and
Speaker 1: tries to open it but the door's it's like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could have had me sold until I watched this
Speaker 1: fucker try to open that door and it's like that
Speaker 1: there's no way, there's no way that that made its
Speaker 1: way back to Earth orbit and it experienced the heat
Speaker 1: and all these things it's been on the ground for
Speaker 1: ten minutes and he's gonna run up bare handed and
Speaker 1: grab that bitch.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: But to that point, China, just so, they had three
Speaker 1: astronauts that were stranded in space right this last week
Speaker 1: this happened. They sent up three astronauts to come grab them,
Speaker 1: and instead they just replace them. So they still have
Speaker 1: three Chinese astronauts that are stranded in space, but they
Speaker 1: just swap them out, so it's new stranded astronauts. It's like,
Speaker 1: my brother in Christ, why didn't you just get a
Speaker 1: spacecraft with six seats and go get these bitches?
Speaker 4: Like why did we have to do this?
Speaker 1: And so it's like all right, yeah, sure, trying to
Speaker 1: be China and as they say, uh, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that.
Speaker 4: I believe we have been to the Moon at some
Speaker 4: point in time.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would be lying if I gave you even
Speaker 1: an estimate of what year that was. But the original
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine landing with Buzz Audron and Neil Armstrong
Speaker 1: and all.
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I'm sorry, that's was it. Lance Armstrong.
Speaker 1: One of the arm Strongs and Armstrong white boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right where were you on Kubrick being involved
Speaker 2: in the moon landings rale.
Speaker 5: Maybe like four or five out of ten.
Speaker 6: I don't Actually, I don't know enough about it to
Speaker 6: say if he was actually involved or not. I mean
Speaker 6: I assume that he potentially could have been because he was,
Speaker 6: you know, at the time, such a.
Speaker 5: Big director and stuff.
Speaker 6: So, I mean, it was definitely a huge production that
Speaker 6: they created to quote unquote convince everybody that they went
Speaker 6: to the moon landing. But it's I don't believe that
Speaker 6: the actual footage is real, but I do believe that
Speaker 6: we've gone up into space. Now. I am curious about
Speaker 6: the dark side of the moon and what's going on
Speaker 6: that side.
Speaker 3: But speaking about dark sides, great frazzle drip.
Speaker 4: Ten out of ten, I believe right, no room for there.
Speaker 1: If you look at an EpiPen, they have a warning
Speaker 1: label on the side that says, do not use past
Speaker 1: expiration date because it will turn into adrenochrome.
Speaker 5: Have you seen the videos, Oh, I've seen many.
Speaker 1: I've seen the one with Hillary Clinton cutting that girl's
Speaker 1: face off. Like it's to say that adrenochrome as a
Speaker 1: chemical compound is it doesn't exist. That's completely signed. Typically inaccurate. Again,
Speaker 1: look at an epipin the warning label says it is
Speaker 1: it in Jacob's hot tape.
Speaker 4: That's the way science works.
Speaker 6: I saw a lot of the videos. I saw a
Speaker 6: lot of the dark Web stuff. I had a friend
Speaker 6: that was able to be on the dark Web and
Speaker 6: like found all this crap and then like sent it
Speaker 6: to all of us. Actually that was pretty much my
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say my introduction into everything, but that was like,
Speaker 6: while I was like being red pilled, but I pretty
Speaker 6: much just got like, you know, throat fucked with black
Speaker 6: pill instead.
Speaker 4: So wow, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 5: It was a lot all at once.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, you go right to frazzle drip.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like jumping right to the deep end
Speaker 3: when you're learning how to I mean, it was.
Speaker 6: Like, hey, by the way, there's some shit that I
Speaker 6: think because you know, I've always questioned stuff.
Speaker 5: But I was just living my peaceful life. And then
Speaker 5: my girlfriend was.
Speaker 6: Like, Hey, I have some shit I need to talk
Speaker 6: to you about, and like came over and dropped I'm
Speaker 6: not even exaggerating, like one hundred and fifty files like
Speaker 6: uploaded them to my phone and like I need you
Speaker 6: to just start right here.
Speaker 5: It happened to start right with.
Speaker 6: That, and I was like, yeah, oh okay, so we're
Speaker 6: just going into this and then like I saw tons
Speaker 6: of different footage and videos and then like all the
Speaker 6: Epstein videos.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know a lot of people.
Speaker 6: I've asked other people, have you actually seen like the
Speaker 6: fit the camera of the security and like you actually
Speaker 6: scrolled in on it and looked at the actual Like
Speaker 6: as it was rolling, you saw the different sections of
Speaker 6: the monitors and stuff, and you could see different things
Speaker 6: that were going on in each one. And like we
Speaker 6: there was a whole bunch of different stuff that we
Speaker 6: watched that now just doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: It's just gone. And people like I didn't what are
Speaker 5: you talking about.
Speaker 6: I didn't see that, And I was like I watched
Speaker 6: it with my own abbolls, like I saw this.
Speaker 4: But and this is before AI was as hot and
Speaker 4: popular as it was.
Speaker 6: This is like real, this is like twenty nineteen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: so it was like live. It was different stuff that
Speaker 6: I mean, we I started seeing different things, but like
Speaker 6: as more information came out, like she had tons of
Speaker 6: stuff that she would just send to me and then
Speaker 6: we would we've tried to find it and then her
Speaker 6: phone did a hard reset in like twenty twenty one,
Speaker 6: her phone automatically updated and everything was gone. Yeah, all
Speaker 6: of it, all the stuff that we were just we
Speaker 6: were just talking about this the other day, I me
Speaker 6: and her trying to find all this stuff because I
Speaker 6: was like, well, I want to bring it to the cult,
Speaker 6: but we can't find any Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not saying what the reason behind
Speaker 1: the adrena chrome and frazzle drip market is. I mean
Speaker 1: to say it's used for recreational drug uses. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: absolutely a possibility. To say that it has a youthful
Speaker 1: regenerative properties and that's how the the elites are staying
Speaker 1: young for forever. It's possible. I don't know, or they're
Speaker 1: just clones themselves. I don't know. But to say that
Speaker 1: adrena chrome slash brassl drip the the conversation behind that,
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 4: One a fact to me. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 4: I think so as they're coming up.
Speaker 1: On Thanksgiving season, I am that uncle that's sitting at
Speaker 1: the corner of the table that's just ruining everybody's lives.
Speaker 4: Whenever they ask me some wild shit.
Speaker 1: Because they know that I'm a professional conspiracy theorist, so like, so, Jacob,
Speaker 1: tell me, what do you think about this?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to eat. I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to.
Speaker 5: Get down that cornbread stuff and gross.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, you know, we just did a Thanksgiving thing.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, I just want to eat
Speaker 1: my food without ruining everything, untelling the kids. There's no
Speaker 1: Santa Claus, right, But like last Thanksgiving, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, one of my uncles, who is a very
Speaker 1: well educated man, asked me about Adrina Chrome and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, there's no way for me to explain this.
Speaker 4: To you without ruining your day.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm down to explain this to you,
Speaker 1: but understand that you're gonna feel disgusting at the end
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 4: And he's like, oh no, man, I want to hear.
Speaker 4: I want to hear by the end of it.
Speaker 1: When I was telling him that, like Epstein Island is
Speaker 1: not the worst place these children could have ended up.
Speaker 1: If anything, that was the g rated island. For what
Speaker 1: else is going on around the world. He's over here
Speaker 1: looking at the whole world, in the whole new light
Speaker 1: and I'm like, brother, I didn't want to do this.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to eat some pig. I wanted to
Speaker 1: because we do a pig roast every year for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to eat. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm down to explain this to you. And
Speaker 1: here we are.
Speaker 4: Now, this is the thing you can't unhear. So happy
Speaker 4: things you haven hemmy.
Speaker 2: In the twenty first century. On a scale from one
Speaker 2: to ten, how much are Mason's running things?
Speaker 4: Good question?
Speaker 5: You know a lot about this, So I'm gonna let
Speaker 5: you take the lead on that one.
Speaker 4: I will put it at a.
Speaker 1: With all grace and with all levity here I'm putting
Speaker 1: it out of solid three out of ten. Honestly, the
Speaker 1: wealthy elites of the world might all be a part
Speaker 1: of some global cabal, and some of them might be
Speaker 1: free Masonans. Do they do not have the same poll
Speaker 1: that they used to have, like by any stretch of
Speaker 1: the imagination.
Speaker 4: If anything, the Freemasons used.
Speaker 1: To be a Yes, they were used for indoctrination of
Speaker 1: certain things, but that was also seen as a way
Speaker 1: to kind of weed out and find the cream of
Speaker 1: the crop that could be brought into the actual deep
Speaker 1: circles of what was running the world. These days, they
Speaker 1: really don't need the Freemasons because I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at the number of Freemasons around the world, their
Speaker 1: numbers are dwindling more now than ever. Before the nineteen
Speaker 1: forties and fifties was like their peak. Most dudes do
Speaker 1: not want to go and spend every Tuesday or Thursday
Speaker 1: night at the Mason's Lodge to discuss what new fundraiser
Speaker 1: or what new budget meeting they have to figure out
Speaker 1: for the next quarter.
Speaker 4: Right, it's not what it once was.
Speaker 1: The dudes at the very tippy top might have some
Speaker 1: sort of a background as a Freemason, but it's not
Speaker 1: the powerhouse that it once was, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: We actually saw the Masonic Temple in Philly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we just went to Philadelphia as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, for the two fiftieth Marine Corps birthday. Raven
Speaker 1: Lee and I are both Marine Corps veterans, so it
Speaker 1: was a big deal. And I didn't know this, but
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has the number three free and accepted Mason's Lodge
Speaker 1: on Earth. Number one is in London, Number two is
Speaker 1: in Dublin. Number three is in Philadelphia. That's the lodge
Speaker 1: where Benjamin Franklin was based out of, and a lot
Speaker 1: of our founding fathers as a matter of fact, So
Speaker 1: that was pretty interesting. If you've ever seen these lodges
Speaker 1: in your local town, you'll see number eight hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty two FF and M or whatever the case is,
Speaker 1: that's that lodge. They all have a charter number. The
Speaker 1: number three ever actually founded on Earth is in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: which is mind blowing to me.
Speaker 6: I agree with the three three out of ten. I
Speaker 6: don't think they have as much power as they once said.
Speaker 6: I do see though, quite I feel like I see
Speaker 6: quite a few people down here in the South that
Speaker 6: have the free Mason.
Speaker 5: Logo in their car, on their car and stuff. There's
Speaker 5: quite a few.
Speaker 1: Now, with that being said, do you mean blue side
Speaker 1: freemasonry or white side free masonry? These are two different conversations.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by white side freemasonry?
Speaker 4: All right? All right?
Speaker 1: So you see the Masonic logo right the compass in
Speaker 1: the square, and it's in a field of blue. Right,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen that logo in a field of white?
Speaker 1: The answer is probably not in the United States. The
Speaker 1: reason is because they don't offer that in the United States.
Speaker 1: So with Freemasons, you have to understand that, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: thirty three degrees in both Scottish and York, right, but
Speaker 1: when you get more towards the esoteric and more occult
Speaker 1: sides of freemasonry, they have three hundred and sixty degrees.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that is only offered through
Speaker 1: white side free masonry. And I hate to break it
Speaker 1: to any Americans, we are peasants compared to the European
Speaker 1: royal classes of old, and those are the only ones
Speaker 1: that even get the tap on the shoulder to go
Speaker 1: into whiteside free masonry. I've only seen one in my
Speaker 1: entire life, and that was in Washington, d C. Which
Speaker 1: would stand the reason when I was stationed there for
Speaker 1: four years, and that goes up to three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty degrees. But at that point you are full well
Speaker 1: dealing with straight up occult practices, like it's not even
Speaker 1: in the realm of like, oh, it's just tradition, it's
Speaker 1: just how it's always been done. No, you know exactly
Speaker 1: who you're worshiping and what you're here to do kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Primarily, you'll see that in England and France.
Speaker 1: You'll see it a few small pockets in Germany, maybe
Speaker 1: in Ireland and Scotland, but primarily in England.
Speaker 4: So do those dudes run the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's also to a level that most freemasons
Speaker 1: say is not real and most people don't even know exists.
Speaker 3: How about the.
Speaker 2: Whole old world history and the World Fairs, and that
Speaker 2: when the first explorers that came to America, the buildings
Speaker 2: were already here and they started knocking them down, as
Speaker 2: opposed to they started building them.
Speaker 1: You want to go first? Zero out of ten, sir,
Speaker 1: zero out of ten. The World's Fairs conversation. I've heard
Speaker 1: these people talking about like Tartaria. Tartaria was what we
Speaker 1: would now call Mongolia, and most maps will show the
Speaker 1: far northeastern section of Asia as Tartary or Tartaria, and
Speaker 1: the people there still call themselves the Tartars to this day.
Speaker 1: As far as the World Fairs go, to say that
Speaker 1: how do they erect this city in such a short
Speaker 1: amount of time? Then it all went away so quickly,
Speaker 1: that's nothing new. As a matter of fact, King Henry
Speaker 1: the fifth or the eighth, I forget which one actually,
Speaker 1: he and the Dauphine of France built a city within
Speaker 1: a matter of a week, a massive city with palaces
Speaker 1: and everything else.
Speaker 4: It was basically cardboard.
Speaker 1: It was tapestries and two by fours essentially, and they
Speaker 1: built this as a way to flex on each other
Speaker 1: and then for a tournament instead of war, and then
Speaker 1: it was all said and done. It got torn down
Speaker 1: within the matter of forty eight hours. So to say
Speaker 1: that in the early nineteen hundreds and early or late
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, we had the technology to erect a basic
Speaker 1: movie set to give a show to people and then
Speaker 1: tear down right after. Yeah, that's that's not crazy to me.
Speaker 1: You see all these old buildings and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well those buildings are actually like four thousand years old
Speaker 1: when they got to America. Those are already there, except
Speaker 1: that there is no record or even a myth or
Speaker 1: a story from the Native American tribes that inhabited that
Speaker 1: area of that building. And even if they don't have
Speaker 1: a written record, they would have had an oral tradition
Speaker 1: talking about the Great Stone Temple or whatever the case.
Speaker 1: There's not even one iota of facts behind it. Then
Speaker 1: cut too, you could find records and blueprints of the
Speaker 1: building being constructed.
Speaker 4: You can find the contractors, you can find stories.
Speaker 1: Hell, half the time, you can find pictures of it
Speaker 1: when it was halfway through construction. So yeah, to say
Speaker 1: that these old buildings and the Tartaria and the mud
Speaker 1: flood and all these things, I put that all to
Speaker 1: a zero out of ten.
Speaker 6: Personally, what do you think about it? I'm curious what
Speaker 6: your thought is.
Speaker 3: I'd probably put it at a zero.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I'm curious because you said, like all of
Speaker 2: that mud flood to Tartarya all that. So there's a
Speaker 2: few things that get roped into that I just want
Speaker 2: to delineate. Or these also zeros. One is giants, that
Speaker 2: the trees might be giants, or that stone like rock
Speaker 2: faces might be giant heads giants.
Speaker 1: I put it a ten out of ten. Petrified trees,
Speaker 1: I'm putting out a ten out of ten. The Devil's
Speaker 1: tower or whatever it is to say that that's the
Speaker 1: stump of an ancient petrified tree, I'm putting that at
Speaker 1: a zero out of ten. I'm willing to shift on
Speaker 1: that one as well, I should say, but there's been
Speaker 1: so many.
Speaker 4: My neighbor is a geologist.
Speaker 1: She studies rocks as a career, and we talked about
Speaker 1: that one day and she broke down scientifically. How while
Speaker 1: it might seem like that's crazy as fuck, there's actually
Speaker 1: a very logical, natural explanation behind it.
Speaker 4: There's caveats to each of these.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that giants and tartaria need to necessarily
Speaker 1: be in the same conversation, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: rope these into it.
Speaker 4: The same thing with it's the same with flat Earth.
Speaker 1: There's like eighty five conspiracies that get roped into flat Earth.
Speaker 1: And it's like, brother, how many mental hoops did you
Speaker 1: have to jump through to make one plus one equal
Speaker 1: five on this scenario? But like here we are having
Speaker 1: this call right now side Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then how about the concept of cathedrals. Are
Speaker 2: these these old buildings where somehow antennas or energies, harvesters
Speaker 2: or that old cities were you know, circuit boards, you
Speaker 2: know I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna say a zero out of ten
Speaker 1: to say that a cathedral. I guess we could call
Speaker 1: it like a energy antenna right in some way, shape
Speaker 1: or form, And then we could look at the architecture itself,
Speaker 1: and we looked.
Speaker 2: At right, but not just saying that like the people
Speaker 2: inside the building have energy and therefore the resident Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like it's tapping into the iona sphere
Speaker 2: and like drawing energy in some ancient technology sort of way.
Speaker 4: Kind of yes, kind of no on this one.
Speaker 1: And I'm so I actually attended mass at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: in Paris at one point in time, and I've.
Speaker 4: Been to you.
Speaker 3: Do I know, did you see who set the fire?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I was there in twenty eleven and twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I actually attended a mass there in twenty eleven, and
Speaker 1: that was by accident.
Speaker 4: While I was in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: I served from ten to fourteen, right, and we happened
Speaker 1: to go to Paris for a week and we were
Speaker 1: only there for two hours worth of work, so the
Speaker 1: rest of the time we were partying our faces off,
Speaker 1: and it was a great time. First time we were there,
Speaker 1: we ended up starting at Noture and you could see
Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower from anywhere in the city, and we
Speaker 1: asked the local because everybody there speaks English. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a worldwide tourist attraction. Everybody in Paris
Speaker 1: speaks a very very good English. I might add and
Speaker 1: we're like, so, how far is it from the Eiffel
Speaker 1: Tower to here? It's kind of hard to judge distance.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, it's not walking distance, it's like ten miles.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, brother, it's noon, we don't have to
Speaker 1: be back till midnight.
Speaker 4: Let's take a walk.
Speaker 1: So we got lost in Paris ten out of ten
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had in my life. We discovered
Speaker 1: the Arctotriumph, we discovered the Loop, which the Mona Lisa
Speaker 1: is so not what it's cracked up to me.
Speaker 4: It's the size of a fucking textbook.
Speaker 1: But whatever, Yeah, I shit you not, it's the actual
Speaker 1: size of like a textbook. All that hype for that
Speaker 1: piece of shit if.
Speaker 3: That was even the real one.
Speaker 5: If right, I don't think it is actually.
Speaker 4: But either way.
Speaker 1: So we started at the at Notre Dame and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it was Sunday because the travel time
Speaker 1: and everything else. We just kind of was doing our thing.
Speaker 1: And when we walked in it's like there's a full
Speaker 1: on museum exhibit going on around the mass, Like while
Speaker 1: these people are sitting in the chairs and then the
Speaker 1: pews and doing the prayers and the homilies and shit,
Speaker 1: there's people walking around the outside taking pictures of the
Speaker 1: stained glass, and so we went in there as tourists.
Speaker 1: But I was like, bro, when in my life am
Speaker 1: I ever actually going to attend Mass at Notre Dame ever?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: So I said, And like I said, I was raised
Speaker 1: Catholic until I was twelve. But it's the same metrics
Speaker 1: whether it's French or English. Sit neil bendstand, do the
Speaker 1: nice and Creed, do the our Father him him communion,
Speaker 1: sitneil band and you're out that bitch. So like it
Speaker 1: was no big deal, you know, you go through the
Speaker 1: motions most Yeah, totally such a workout.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But so being in that space and attending a Mass
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame versus attending a Mass at your local
Speaker 1: Catholic church in Louisiana, completely different vibe. Now, maybe that
Speaker 1: was because I was swept up in the grandeur of
Speaker 1: being in this so historical cathedral. It's very possible, but
Speaker 1: I also feel like there's something extra to it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean, even going to the National Cathedral in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC or the Old Cathedral in New Orleans as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, it's there's something more that goes along
Speaker 1: with that. But energy maybe maybe yes, or it's just
Speaker 1: the vibes in general. When you see the stained glass
Speaker 1: and you see the vaulted ceilings, and you see the
Speaker 1: artwork and the pipe organ dudes wailing on that bitch.
Speaker 1: It's a whole it's a whole spiritual experience, right, even
Speaker 1: if you're not Catholic, you go to a mass and
Speaker 1: you can't help but feel like.
Speaker 4: There's some sort of movement here and like that's fine.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I would put it towards uh,
Speaker 1: necessarily energy harvesting, But I can't negate that possibility.
Speaker 4: Either, honestly.
Speaker 5: So what you what your.
Speaker 4: Maybe four three and a half. I'll put it at
Speaker 4: three and a half.
Speaker 6: It's in Yeah, I'd say at least a four. No,
Speaker 6: I'd say at least a four. I think there's something
Speaker 6: to it. I think that there potentially could be. I
Speaker 6: think there's a lot to do with energy that we
Speaker 6: that is lost in time, the information purposely lost to us.
Speaker 6: And so because free energy definitely is not something that
Speaker 6: they want to have happen.
Speaker 3: H Okay, I got I got three left.
Speaker 2: Well, I think if on the tail end of that
Speaker 2: one Atlantis, like like the Platonic Atlantis, that that was
Speaker 2: a legitimate place a philosophical experiment.
Speaker 4: You want to take that one first or me?
Speaker 6: No, go ahead, you you you have opinions on atlantis.
Speaker 1: So so I believe that the Plato's Atlantis probably existed,
Speaker 1: but he was telling a story off of the story
Speaker 1: off the story, probably like eighty generations away from the
Speaker 1: actual true Atlantis.
Speaker 4: And I do.
Speaker 1: Believe that Doggerland was more than likely the actual site
Speaker 1: of Atlantis.
Speaker 4: You know what Doggerland is, brother?
Speaker 1: No, Okay, So before the younger Dryest, somewhere between fourteen
Speaker 1: thousand BC and twelve and a half thousand BC, and
Speaker 1: I'm being very generous with that wide berth, there was
Speaker 1: a land bridge that connected Mainland Europe to Britain and
Speaker 1: Mainlane Europe to Sweden and fill in in Norway that
Speaker 1: section was. We're calling it Doggerland these days, mostly because
Speaker 1: the type of ships that dredge that area for fishing
Speaker 1: are called dogger ships. They were dredging and they found
Speaker 1: a harpoon, and you know, it seemed like a very
Speaker 1: old harpoon, so it's very interesting. It was carbon dated
Speaker 1: to twelve and a half thousand BC, and there's obvious
Speaker 1: etchmarks on it to say that a civilization, not just
Speaker 1: some Neanderthal hunter gatherer groups built this, Like no, this
Speaker 1: had religious significance to it as well, like they blessed
Speaker 1: this harpoon before they were using it to hunt.
Speaker 4: And that's dope.
Speaker 1: But the issue is that they were arguing about the
Speaker 1: carbon dating practice. The problem is that Doggerland itself is
Speaker 1: a peat bog, which, if anybody knows anything about archaeological
Speaker 1: digs in peat bogs, it is extremely good at preserving artifacts.
Speaker 1: So they didn't have to question if they were off
Speaker 1: by ten or twenty thousand years. They could damn near
Speaker 1: put it to the month of when that thing was lost,
Speaker 1: or at least when this area got flooded underwater. So
Speaker 1: when you look at Plato's description of Atlantis, he says,
Speaker 1: once you leave the Straight of Gibraltar, you make a turn,
Speaker 1: and it's just he gives very brief descriptions. He doesn't
Speaker 1: say you turn left, he doesn't say you turn right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't give cardinal directions. He says you turn out
Speaker 1: of the Straight of Gibraltar, and after a ways you
Speaker 1: find Atlantis. Could that be hypothetically once you make your
Speaker 1: way around mainland Europe and you get to the northern
Speaker 1: side of it, or could that be when you turn
Speaker 1: left and you make your way more or towards like
Speaker 1: the Ivory Coast in Africa. I think both they're plausible.
Speaker 1: But whenever you look at the for lack of better words,
Speaker 1: the census of this, whenever written history finally made its
Speaker 1: way to central and northern Europe, there's no way that
Speaker 1: there should have been that many people that was inhabiting Europe.
Speaker 1: If you look at their basic agricultural needs, there's no
Speaker 1: way that that much land could sustain that many people
Speaker 1: per the.
Speaker 4: Day and age, but they did.
Speaker 1: The theory goes that a massive tidle wave that came
Speaker 1: from a glacial breakoff in Norway caused a massive tidle
Speaker 1: wave that sent Doggerland underwater, which led the thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of people to leave from this land
Speaker 1: mass to the northernmost part of Europe, which would be
Speaker 1: where a lot of Indo European people get their start
Speaker 1: from as far as that's concerned. And I think that
Speaker 1: that story got told into the realm of myth, into
Speaker 1: the realm of legend, into the realm of lore to
Speaker 1: Plato who wrote it down.
Speaker 4: Finally, so Atlantis. Do I believe it exists? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do I believe that they had flying craft and computers
Speaker 1: and technology that is far beyond our understanding today.
Speaker 4: No, not so much.
Speaker 6: I want to believe that it's real. But that's also
Speaker 6: I'm super into fantasy books and stuff like that, so
Speaker 6: like my fantasy heart is like, I just want it
Speaker 6: to be real. I do agree with him that I
Speaker 6: think that it potentially could have been. It probably was
Speaker 6: a real location, and that there is historical precedence to it.
Speaker 6: But obviously a lot of a lot of cultures believed
Speaker 6: in signs from the gods, and it turned into Lure
Speaker 6: and miss and it changed how things were. Like, you know,
Speaker 6: if it was raining outside and all of a sudden
Speaker 6: there was a breaking the skyland, this is gonna be
Speaker 6: the this omen's happening. And so potentially if there was
Speaker 6: a type of tsunami that wiped out this location, it
Speaker 6: could be turned into all different kinds of things which
Speaker 6: turned into Atlantis. I want to believe that they had
Speaker 6: some awesome cool stuff. I do think that there was
Speaker 6: potentially technology that we've had that we got hard reset
Speaker 6: a few times as a human civilization, and they kind
Speaker 6: of just reset us. But I don't know for certain
Speaker 6: if Alantis is real, but I will say I want
Speaker 6: to hope that it was, just because honestly, it's kind
Speaker 6: of a cool story.
Speaker 4: But into that conversation, like, for instance, a lost technology.
Speaker 4: Given another one hundred years, I bet most, if any
Speaker 4: Americans will know how to hook a plow up to
Speaker 4: a mule and plow a field, because we'll all have
Speaker 4: tractors and will have better ways to do it. So,
Speaker 4: per definition, hooking up to a mule will become lost technology,
Speaker 4: and they'll look back at our anserts like they were
Speaker 4: so advanced, they were so enlightened. You mean, they were
Speaker 4: doing the best of what they had. And just because
Speaker 4: you're not smart enough to figure out how to do it,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean they weren't smart enough to figure out
Speaker 4: how to do it. So, like the lost technology quote
Speaker 4: unquote Moniker is a very broad brushstroke that a lot
Speaker 4: of people immediately assume means flying crafts and computers and shit.
Speaker 4: But that's per our modern first world interpretations, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Just a couple more here, how about Gomatria and I
Speaker 2: don't mean that it exists, because it clearly exists. But
Speaker 2: you know when someone's like, this person was born on
Speaker 2: this date and their name adds up to this and
Speaker 2: the new mountain Dew came out, and if you add
Speaker 2: the letters up a mountain dew and all they all connect,
Speaker 2: how much credibility do you give that someone's actually finding
Speaker 2: some kind of a source code or a pattern and
Speaker 2: it's not just coincidences that they're linking together on their own.
Speaker 1: I put that to a solid, solid zero point five
Speaker 1: out of ten.
Speaker 3: Oh, that sounds anti Semitic, my friend.
Speaker 1: So, like you said, I'm not denying that the Fibonazi
Speaker 1: see is real and that right, Oh, I'm such an
Speaker 1: israel Plant that I'm denying Gomatri.
Speaker 5: I know that he's an FBI agent bro.
Speaker 1: In the same on the same episode I my dad,
Speaker 1: I got called a Christian nationalist, a Nazi sympathizer, and
Speaker 1: an ultra Zionist.
Speaker 4: At the same time.
Speaker 6: And it's like, I guess, yess you can be Your
Speaker 6: collecting badge is like pokemones.
Speaker 5: That's pretty much what's happening.
Speaker 1: What I've learned is that haters are gonna hate, and
Speaker 1: taters are gonna potate and I'm just out here trying
Speaker 1: to make a book. But beside the point, uh so,
Speaker 1: Goamatria is real as far as the math that goes
Speaker 1: along with our words. And there's the English gamatria, there's
Speaker 1: the Hebrew gamatria, there's there's all types. There's all different types, right,
Speaker 1: and me, with my background in instrumentation, I learned binary code, hexadescimal, octadesimal.
Speaker 1: So to say that words also have numbers designated to them,
Speaker 1: I'm with that one hundred percent. I'm not saying there's
Speaker 1: nothing to it, but to say that there's instantaneously a
Speaker 1: connection between well, if you look at Bill Clinton and
Speaker 1: God is love and Adolph Hitler sucks, they all equal
Speaker 1: the same thing. Although NAUGHTI confirmed it's like no, no,
Speaker 1: stop that stop there right now, Like that's that's silly.
Speaker 4: I could.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, and it's fun to look at the connections
Speaker 1: when they do play in and they do line up,
Speaker 1: it's fun. I don't use that as like a basis
Speaker 1: to go off of, like cannas Olwens does.
Speaker 4: I don't know, no, but I know, you know, like
Speaker 4: you know that's.
Speaker 5: Really can just be crashing out all the time.
Speaker 4: Dude. I used to respect her so much and I
Speaker 4: love to her.
Speaker 1: I respect her journalistic depths to a degree that there's
Speaker 1: a level of respect there. But man, ever since Charlie
Speaker 1: went down, she is out of her goddamn mind.
Speaker 6: She doesn't feel like she's going to be next.
Speaker 2: You know with Cannas, though, is that she was. She's
Speaker 2: in this weird position where she's kind of growing up
Speaker 2: on camera, not like from a child, but her big
Speaker 2: thing was that she was a brand new, recent convert
Speaker 2: from being left wing to right wing and got popular
Speaker 2: because of that because she's like, hey, I'm a you know,
Speaker 2: a black conservative, and she basically becomes like a minor
Speaker 2: celebrity through doing that. And during that transition, she didn't
Speaker 2: also get to be like and I've looked in the
Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge and I've looked in the Waco and nin eleven,
Speaker 2: Like she didn't do all the things. She just went, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm a conservative. And now the camera's on her, and
Speaker 2: now I feel like we're all slowly watching her go
Speaker 2: through like first and second and third grade, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, she like she believes in Santa still, so
Speaker 2: she needs to go through the same phase as everyone
Speaker 2: else did, but maybe everyone else got to go through
Speaker 2: those when they were like, I don't know, fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 2: or like in their mid twenties, and now she's just
Speaker 2: kind of a late bloomer. So there's a lot of scrutiny,
Speaker 2: but I feel like she's kind of feeling her way through,
Speaker 2: Like she the second she starts finding like Fritz Springbuyer's
Speaker 2: work and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, have you guys heard about this project monarch thing?
Speaker 3: Like it's the old news to us, but it's gonna
Speaker 3: be new to her at some point.
Speaker 1: She from what I can tell, she goes where the
Speaker 1: click and that's all I'm gonna say on that, and
Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, take that to whatever level
Speaker 1: and depth you want it to go. And as a
Speaker 1: content creator, which I hate that term, but I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I don't hate her
Speaker 1: for the crazy shit she's saying, but I also and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call her a grifter, even though she
Speaker 1: will find ways too. As she is ranting and raving
Speaker 1: about one of her lifelong best friends dying publicly and
Speaker 1: all this, she'll like find ways to interject her own
Speaker 1: ad streams like that play into the conversation she's having.
Speaker 4: But like, I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: call her a grifter.
Speaker 3: That's fine, thinking of next shots. We've got this great
Speaker 3: new hello fresh uh fork neck recipe.
Speaker 1: Bro It's it's crazy in and of itself. But and
Speaker 1: when you look at her, she makes some very wild
Speaker 1: claims backed by nothing except her sources, and she wishes
Speaker 1: she could tell you about them, but she's not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you about them. And then when there is one
Speaker 1: thing out of the thousand things she just said that
Speaker 1: comes out to be true, she's over here, like with
Speaker 1: that meme with the dude with the champagne bottle, sprang
Speaker 1: it all over everybody like he just won. He's like
Speaker 1: the eighth winner, like eighth place and the whole thing.
Speaker 3: So this is the nostro domus approach, right, Pretty the
Speaker 3: thousand things, get one right, and people remember you for
Speaker 3: the one thing you got.
Speaker 4: Right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And so I would be shocked if some other wild
Speaker 1: shit doesn't happen on the news that she doesn't also
Speaker 1: find a way to capitalize on.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 5: She's strategically smart.
Speaker 6: I'll say that when it comes to being able to
Speaker 6: captivate her audience and keep the ones that because she
Speaker 6: has lost a lot of followers over the last few
Speaker 6: years because of some of the wild shit she says
Speaker 6: and how she consistently flops back and forth between different things.
Speaker 5: She has lost a lot of people, but she's been
Speaker 5: able to.
Speaker 6: Capitalize on current events and clickbait kind of things and
Speaker 6: be able to talk about that stuff and keep the
Speaker 6: audience that she has.
Speaker 5: They're like die hard.
Speaker 6: Can't so fans kind of like the kind of like
Speaker 6: Trump for example, or like Kamal like they're people are
Speaker 6: like die hard. They are not going no matter what
Speaker 6: these people are saying, they're not gonna question it. So
Speaker 6: she's smart in that regard of being able to capitalize
Speaker 6: on people.
Speaker 5: That want to hear her at all times.
Speaker 4: And that's everything she says is wrong. I believe her
Speaker 4: with Brigitte ma Chron being the dude, I one hundred
Speaker 4: percent believe that. I just think she went off the
Speaker 4: rails on Charlie Kirk honestly worried you out on Matria.
Speaker 3: Did you ever get a rating?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: I think I'll I don't know, I think I'll give
Speaker 6: it like at least the three Okay, I'll give it at
Speaker 6: least the three. It's one of those things of I'm
Speaker 6: not going to discredit it completely. I'm gonna listen to
Speaker 6: other people that have more knowledge based on it than me,
Speaker 6: and I'll dig into it and do more research and
Speaker 6: eventually come to a conclusion.
Speaker 5: But I really there's some subjects that I.
Speaker 6: Don't have a vast amount of knowledge, and I don't
Speaker 6: like to completely shut out my thoughts yet until I
Speaker 6: actually listen and read a lot of stuff on it.
Speaker 5: So I'm right now I'm giving it.
Speaker 4: A three tell yeah, all right, last one, last one.
Speaker 2: This one's got a little bit of a qualifier, but
Speaker 2: just because I want to make sure I ask it
Speaker 2: in a certain way, so I'll kind of clarify it.
Speaker 3: But here's a situation that.
Speaker 2: A twelve year old atheist slash agnostic kid, girl or boy, whatever,
Speaker 2: goes on Amazon and searches how to Summon a Demon?
Speaker 2: Sorts by best sellers. The top best seller is called
Speaker 2: how to Summon a Demon for Dummies. Right they order it,
Speaker 2: it gets printed on demand by some machines, so there's
Speaker 2: not like an occultist writing it in blood or anything.
Speaker 2: It just gets spit out by a printer and then
Speaker 2: it gets like overnighted to him. He opens that book up,
Speaker 2: reads it over the weekend, recite some of the things
Speaker 2: that are in it one to ten that that kid
Speaker 2: has a chance of actually summoning a demon.
Speaker 6: Have an opinion on this, but I would love to
Speaker 6: hear you yeah, because yours is, I believe, because it
Speaker 6: has to be in uh Latin correct, It has to
Speaker 6: be specifically in Latin.
Speaker 2: It's felt out phonetically so that even if the kid
Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's reading, he's saying real Latin phrases.
Speaker 2: And I guess the reason for all these qualifiers is
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to remove that the person doing it
Speaker 2: is like an evil person with evil intent in their heart.
Speaker 5: It's just a non biased person that's just kind of.
Speaker 2: Like the same way you could accidentally make nitro glysser,
Speaker 2: and if you had all the right ingredients, could you
Speaker 2: accidentally summon the demon or intentionally but without having like
Speaker 2: hate in your heart.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 6: I want to let you start because I know I
Speaker 6: kind of already have already know where you're gonna go
Speaker 6: with us. Well, please, I guess I think that you
Speaker 6: could accidentally dabble in forces that you don't want to
Speaker 6: find yourself too. I know that specifically sing in demon
Speaker 6: you need like certain qualifiers to get to that point.
Speaker 6: But I do think that there is enough evil in
Speaker 6: this world that even that you could accidentally find yourself
Speaker 6: in a position where you're having some demon force or
Speaker 6: something that is going to be like, you know, questioning, hey,
Speaker 6: what's up, you know, what do you want kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he could actually summon a full demon,
Speaker 6: but maybe some type of evil force.
Speaker 4: Sure, And I agree with that. That's kind of where
Speaker 4: I'm coming from on this one.
Speaker 1: So when I was in the Marines, I had a
Speaker 1: group of boots and it was my job to make
Speaker 1: sure that they clean the common areas.
Speaker 4: All right, cool.
Speaker 1: These fuckers decided to take a mop bucket and mix
Speaker 1: like eight different types of cleaning materials into it, and
Speaker 1: then out of nowhere, there was a weird, funky smell
Speaker 1: and a yellowish greenish gas that was coming out of
Speaker 1: the mop bucket. One of their dads happened to be
Speaker 1: a chemist for some company, and he called his dad
Speaker 1: and asked him what happened.
Speaker 4: These fuckers accidentally made low grade mustard.
Speaker 3: Gas, ammonium bleach right.
Speaker 1: Right, So, and it's not rocket science, but they were
Speaker 1: ignorant and they didn't know what they were doing, but
Speaker 1: they almost killed themselves as a result. Now take that
Speaker 1: to the spiritual realm, and it's not like these people
Speaker 1: were out there. My Marines were not out here trying
Speaker 1: to build poisoned by any means. They were not trying
Speaker 1: to poison themselves or the platoon. They were trying to
Speaker 1: do good. But they were really fucking dumb about it.
Speaker 1: If somebody doesn't know what they're doing when it comes
Speaker 1: to the spiritual realm, they can absolutely start dabbling in
Speaker 1: something that they don't understand. The same conversation could be
Speaker 1: had with a wigi board, right, you get a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of high school kids get together, Hey, somebody's got a
Speaker 4: wigi board. Oh, let's pull it out.
Speaker 1: And none of these people are inherently trying to worship
Speaker 1: Satan and they're not trying to do anything equal.
Speaker 4: They're just fucking around with the wigi board.
Speaker 1: But the problem is, once you open that door, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a real hard time trying to close it.
Speaker 1: Because as far as the spiritual side of things goes
Speaker 1: one of these again, because I believe that we live
Speaker 1: in a very binary world with very few areas of gray.
Speaker 1: Of the two sides of spirituality, we have the side
Speaker 1: of light and the side of dark, the side of
Speaker 1: good and side of evil. Right, one of these sides
Speaker 1: is clamoring and clawing and fighting and scraping to get out,
Speaker 1: and the other side is wide open asking for you
Speaker 1: to come in. So when you open the door for
Speaker 1: the side that is clawing and scratching to get out,
Speaker 1: something's gonna answer you. Whether you intended for that to
Speaker 1: be the case or not. I fully believe that that
Speaker 1: is an actual thing. So whether somebody gets summoning a
Speaker 1: demon for dummies and they accidentally you know, this person
Speaker 1: is not inherently evil. They're not out here trying to
Speaker 1: summon a demon to kill anybody or to get a
Speaker 1: Faustian bargain where they're going to sign their name in
Speaker 1: blood for fame and fortune or whatever.
Speaker 4: If you're trying to contact a demon, oh you're gonna
Speaker 4: contact one, and your ass is gonna be in a
Speaker 4: sling for something that you didn't actually agree to, but
Speaker 4: you ended up being on the hook for it. Anyway.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent believe that's real.
Speaker 2: Do you think that something that we could film like
Speaker 2: a thousand people in an auditorium, They all do Ouiji boards,
Speaker 2: they all sign up for blood packs with demons and
Speaker 2: everything and just keep them like fishbowl style or Big
Speaker 2: Brother style.
Speaker 3: Just constantly on camera. A paranormal activity.
Speaker 2: You think if on a long enough sample size, we'd
Speaker 2: be able to capture demonic entities or like a demonic
Speaker 2: possession actually happened.
Speaker 1: On film, uh possession, possibly a demonic entity on film. No,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that our cameras work at that angle. Again,
Speaker 1: I've seen a demon multiple times for years and years.
Speaker 4: I know what it looks like, I know what it
Speaker 4: smells like, I know what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: No camera was going to pick up on this by
Speaker 1: any means, but your human eyes would have been able
Speaker 1: to pick up on it. So I don't believe that
Speaker 1: even with a long enough test being done on a
Speaker 1: sample size, all of them actively working to contact demons.
Speaker 1: I don't believe they're gonna manifest into a physical form
Speaker 1: that could be picked up on human cameras.
Speaker 6: No, you don't think that maybe they could pick up
Speaker 6: on the energy at least from it oh.
Speaker 4: Are we talking about cameras. You're talking about e MPs.
Speaker 4: We're talking to something.
Speaker 2: Heat vision, you've got infrared, you've got light r you've
Speaker 2: got everything.
Speaker 1: Well, when you look at like these ghost hunters that
Speaker 1: go out and they film content of them with these
Speaker 1: spirit boxes and whatever else, it's basically a radio that's
Speaker 1: tuned to a frequency that's not going to pick up
Speaker 1: on your regular, regular FM or AM radio stations. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there's not radio frequencies operating at
Speaker 1: the frequencies that it's tuned into. Hell, you can look
Speaker 1: at a Ham radio and how that shit operates. Then
Speaker 1: you watch how these people are picking up on spirit boxes,
Speaker 1: and it's like you're picking up stray radio sound waves
Speaker 1: that was out there in the ether. Regardless, it doesn't
Speaker 1: inherently mean that it's a soul trying to talk to
Speaker 1: you through an electronic means from the other side.
Speaker 6: Have you seen the guy that actually goes to the
Speaker 6: graveyards and he does this all the time, and they
Speaker 6: like do different and he has like a huge TikTok
Speaker 6: following in an Instagram following, and he goes out there
Speaker 6: and they communicate with him in various ways, and he
Speaker 6: goes out and like cleans the graveyards and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think, I think it's great content for sure.
Speaker 3: It gets some of the ghosty area though, right, And
Speaker 3: then he.
Speaker 4: Like if he pisses himself, Oh, it's that goplasom. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a dickhead here, but
Speaker 1: there's there's tons of examples of something of the whatever.
Speaker 1: There's tons of examples of spiritual things coming through or
Speaker 1: trying to reach out from the other side. And then
Speaker 1: there's tons of people that are trying to get it
Speaker 1: for comments and clicks and likes and subscribes and that
Speaker 1: It is the same thing I have with mediums.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that mediums are all hoaxers by any means.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Medium and Long Island medium, anybody who's profiting off of
Speaker 1: their medium abilities are probably full of shit. And for
Speaker 1: the record, I'm not just throwing shade towards that community
Speaker 1: any pastor or preacher that is out here. I do
Speaker 1: believe there are pastors and preachers that are doing the
Speaker 1: Lord's work and they're not trying to get rich and
Speaker 1: famous off of it. But if you got a pastor
Speaker 1: that is out here making eight figures a year because
Speaker 1: they're preaching the word of God, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: he's full of fucking shit. The same level of disdain
Speaker 1: that I have for Long Island Medium I have for
Speaker 1: Kenneth Copeland.
Speaker 4: If anything, I got more for Kenneth Copeland.
Speaker 5: Actually, have you seen the lady that does the drawings.
Speaker 6: Like she ohes crying, she does like the drawings, and
Speaker 6: she'll post the pictures she has like a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of them, and she's like, do you know this person?
Speaker 6: Have you ever seen this person? And then actually people
Speaker 6: will eventually she finds, people find her actually, and then
Speaker 6: it's crazy. I watch one of them where this lady
Speaker 6: was like, that's my my uncle and she actually showed
Speaker 6: the pictures side by side. It's identical and like they've
Speaker 6: never met and all this stuff. I think that's really fascinating.
Speaker 6: Do you believe that people can have any type of
Speaker 6: spiritual connection or like they are able to feel their
Speaker 6: loved ones with their like their presence near them after
Speaker 6: they passed, or you know, king you do they have
Speaker 6: a connection while they're living, Like can do you think
Speaker 6: that they have, like, for example, my grandma and me.
Speaker 6: I knew when my grandma was so my grandma had
Speaker 6: a heart attack and I was very very close to
Speaker 6: my grandma, and I woke up in the middle of
Speaker 6: the night and I.
Speaker 5: Knew something was wrong, and I knew something was going to.
Speaker 6: Be wrong that day and I and I called every
Speaker 6: single person I knew that was close to me, and
Speaker 6: everyone's like, no, no, I'm fine, And I called. I
Speaker 6: talked to my grandma that morning and I was just
Speaker 6: I couldn't get this nagging feeling to go away. And
Speaker 6: then about like nine o'clock in the morning, I was like,
Speaker 6: something is really wrong with my grandma. And I kept
Speaker 6: calling and calling, and I called my mom and she
Speaker 6: lived in Idaho, and so everyone thought I was crazy.
Speaker 6: I ended up calling the fire department because I was like,
Speaker 6: I know in my heart something is really wrong. I
Speaker 6: can feel it. And lo and behold, she had a
Speaker 6: heart attack and she was sitting, she was laying on
Speaker 6: the floor, and they actually ended up having like break
Speaker 6: down her door and stuff. And my grandma would tell
Speaker 6: people like that. She would say that we have which
Speaker 6: blood in us, and that.
Speaker 4: A Christian m.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that but she believed that we had I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Christian, which blood right.
Speaker 6: Of course, yeah, so there, but she believed that we
Speaker 6: would have that we had spiritual blood I guess, but
Speaker 6: which blood in us, and that it passed down from
Speaker 6: different generations and it's in that it's old blood, that
Speaker 6: we could have some kind of connection stuff.
Speaker 5: But she would believe that.
Speaker 6: And so leading up to my grandma's death, I actually
Speaker 6: dreamed it for months and months, and I kept telling
Speaker 6: her to go to the doctor, and I kept nagging
Speaker 6: at her, and finally I had a dream that was
Speaker 6: so intense, like I woke up in pure sweat anxiety,
Speaker 6: and I knew my grandma was going to die within
Speaker 6: like the next month, and I told her, I said,
Speaker 6: you were going to go to the doctor tomorrow. Lo
Speaker 6: and behold she had stayed stage four cancer. She died
Speaker 6: three weeks later. And same thing with my dad. I
Speaker 6: dreamed leading up to his death, and I knew that
Speaker 6: he was going to die, and he ended up passing
Speaker 6: like very quickly. And it's just one of those scenes
Speaker 6: of I don't know if that's I don't know what
Speaker 6: to call that, but I mean, I'm curious what your
Speaker 6: your thoughts are because I've met a lot of other
Speaker 6: people that have types of premonitions or spiritual connections to
Speaker 6: people where they can feel spirits around them.
Speaker 1: So with a spiritual connection like that to somebody who
Speaker 1: was still living, absolutely absolutely, and maybe there's blood ties,
Speaker 1: maybe there's entwined souls, whatever the case might be.
Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with you heard.
Speaker 2: Those about twins sometimes too, right, where like twins that
Speaker 2: are separated even might even know about each other, that
Speaker 2: they go through these same feelings and they'll link back
Speaker 2: up later in future, and have made like a lot
Speaker 2: of the same decisions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but those are fascinating. I think they're so amazing.
Speaker 4: Agreed.
Speaker 1: Now, once this person has passed on, and I can't
Speaker 1: say one hundred percent one way or another on this
Speaker 1: because at this point I'm speaking from a place of ignorance.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: The only experience I have with this would be with
Speaker 1: my grandmother, who I thought was still coming and visiting
Speaker 1: me in her spirit form after she died. Come to
Speaker 1: find out it was my demon that was presenting itself
Speaker 1: as my grandmother, and it took about two years for
Speaker 1: it to show its true form to me. But I
Speaker 1: understand that that's a one off case, and I get
Speaker 1: that having a spiritual connection with somebody while they're still alive,
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with a one hundred percent. Once they
Speaker 1: pass on, and once their soul goes for judgment and
Speaker 1: goes up or down or left or right or wherever
Speaker 1: the case might be, I feel like their soul was
Speaker 1: in their final place. Why would they come back to Earth.
Speaker 1: What difference does it make to them? They're in the
Speaker 1: correct spot. I believe that we should not be making
Speaker 1: an attempt to contact the dead either. Necromancy, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is completely wrong start to finish. Simply, it's real. I
Speaker 1: believe it's absolutely real. I believe we just shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: Fucking with it.
Speaker 1: And for that same principle, I don't believe that the
Speaker 1: dead are trying to reach out to us to tell
Speaker 1: us things, because what would be the point of that either,
Speaker 1: even if it was to help us. There's this it's
Speaker 1: like a double entendre within the spiritual community that the
Speaker 1: dead are trying to reach out to us to communicate
Speaker 1: with us. But the journey you're on and the things
Speaker 1: you're experiencing are things that you need to experience to
Speaker 1: get to the next place in life.
Speaker 4: So which one is it?
Speaker 1: Is it that the spirits are trying to guide us
Speaker 1: or is it that we are supposed to make these
Speaker 1: mistakes and experience it for ourselves, because two can't be
Speaker 1: true at the same time on this one. So, having
Speaker 1: a spiritual connection with people while they're still alive, absolutely agree.
Speaker 1: Having that connection resonate even for a week or so
Speaker 1: after the case, going through the morning process. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say that's complete bullshit. But ten, fifteen, twenty years
Speaker 1: after the fact of somebody passing away and you feel
Speaker 1: like you're still having a communication or a conversation with
Speaker 1: your dead relative.
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a dickhead here.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily demon all demons.
Speaker 1: But how much of that is made up in your
Speaker 1: own mind as a part of the morning process or
Speaker 1: things that you didn't put to rest.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that is in a demeaning way.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't think.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I fully agree with you, because
Speaker 6: I've had definite experiences. So my Grandma's been gone seven
Speaker 6: years now, and there are times when I get a
Speaker 6: full body feeling like I'll smell her perfume out of nowhere. Sure,
Speaker 6: there's nothing in my house that smells like it. I
Speaker 6: do have some clothes like in my closet and stuff,
Speaker 6: but like I'll get like that, that faint whiff of
Speaker 6: her smell. She had very distinct taboo is what she wore,
Speaker 6: so the taboo smell, and I'll just get this feeling
Speaker 6: of like her presence is with me, and it will
Speaker 6: not last.
Speaker 4: Psychology courses, a good number of them. And you know
Speaker 4: that smell is a insane trigger to mental places in
Speaker 4: your mind, so smelling her perfume might put you in
Speaker 4: like your happy place, so to speak, or a memory
Speaker 4: of all.
Speaker 6: But nothing is in my house that should be smelling
Speaker 6: like that at that time. It's like it comes out
Speaker 6: of nowhere, associated with this presence that I feel, And
Speaker 6: it's not I'm not talking at lasts all day. I'm
Speaker 6: talking that. It could be a minute, it could be
Speaker 6: five minutes, and then it's just gone. And it doesn't
Speaker 6: happen all the time. It comes and goes, and and
Speaker 6: sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night
Speaker 6: I'll suddenly feel like I'm dreaming about her, and then
Speaker 6: I'll feel a presence. Now me being super overly cautious
Speaker 6: because I just I know that there are I feel
Speaker 6: that there are dark.
Speaker 5: Entities in this world.
Speaker 6: I'm hesitant to interact either way because I'm like, I
Speaker 6: am not one hundred percent certain what this is. I
Speaker 6: feel like this could be my grandma. But I also
Speaker 6: am not about to be like, yo, hey, how's it going. No,
Speaker 6: just just in case, I'm just not going to do that.
Speaker 6: But I feel like she comes and goes every so often.
Speaker 6: It's it's not super often, but I feel like that's
Speaker 6: the thing, and I've read and met lots of people
Speaker 6: that also have those experiences. Now, I don't know, I
Speaker 6: don't believe she's guiding me in any sort of fashion.
Speaker 6: It's just almost like a sense of like you're not alone,
Speaker 6: like hey, just thinking about you kind of vibe, and
Speaker 6: and then it's just gone.
Speaker 5: It's just like boof, out of nowheer. What do you think?
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 4: I also don't know how to call that.
Speaker 5: I mean, what do you think about it?
Speaker 3: All demons?
Speaker 4: All demons, that's it, all all demons. No.
Speaker 2: No, I think that what you were describing before about
Speaker 2: having like I want I don't want to say premonition
Speaker 2: is probably the wrong word, but like having like a
Speaker 2: feeling this I don't know, it's just like scientifically documented.
Speaker 2: But there's so many of these cases where there's the
Speaker 2: cat or the dog and old retirement home and it
Speaker 2: will go in like sit down at the end of
Speaker 2: the bed in front of someone like a week or
Speaker 2: a night before they pass on. So it does seem
Speaker 2: that clearly there's some other sensory perception that is capable
Speaker 2: by other animals that can tell when something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: So it'd be crazy to think that like, oh no, no
Speaker 2: cats and dogs, that's just it's just a weird coincidence
Speaker 2: that they have this ability. So to say that a
Speaker 2: human being couldn't also tap into that same thing, who knows.
Speaker 2: I think it's there's not a really easy way to
Speaker 2: monetize it yet, so therefore it doesn't have any valid
Speaker 2: reason for industry to prove that it exists. As soon
Speaker 2: as someone can figure out how to make a buck
Speaker 2: off that, then all of a sudden, there'll be scientific
Speaker 2: proof about it.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be so many studies for decades they've been
Speaker 1: doing under the radar, they're going to come to light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 6: I think the dream realm is a really interesting because
Speaker 6: I dream super intensely, and I always have.
Speaker 4: I'm so jealous of you for that. I'm not only
Speaker 4: dream once or twice a.
Speaker 6: Year from all of the dreams, though, I have died
Speaker 6: so many different ways, so many different ways throughout him.
Speaker 1: Because I am so unafraid of death, and you are,
Speaker 1: like you're trying your hardest to not die. You have
Speaker 1: died in so many ways and dreams, you feel like
Speaker 1: you're be used to it by now.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I'm one of those people, and I will say,
Speaker 6: if there is a way that I could live forever,
Speaker 6: I would totally do it.
Speaker 5: Oh hell no, I know that he is totally the opposite.
Speaker 3: But I just perked up somewhere. It's like, oh.
Speaker 6: Yo, now I'm gonna get a demon tonight and be like,
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm not fucking with you, boy. Like
Speaker 6: I will say, I've had a few times like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I've had some experiences like where my bed has dipped hard,
Speaker 6: and like I know that just like I'm not acknowledging
Speaker 6: this whatever is going on, because like I know you're there.
Speaker 5: But it's also like nip, we're gonna put my feet
Speaker 5: back on a blanket. We're just gonna act like this
Speaker 5: is okay, Like.
Speaker 1: You're like that part of Haunted House at the like
Speaker 1: he's reading the paper gets flown for hey man, why
Speaker 1: I can get me some newspaper coffee?
Speaker 4: Were the demon?
Speaker 6: It's pretty much that vibe of like I've had that
Speaker 6: chill of like, yeah, something's really not right here. But
Speaker 6: I'm also like not going to engage with you because
Speaker 6: fuck off.
Speaker 5: So like I'm not I'm not playing this whole game
Speaker 5: with you.
Speaker 6: But there's been some stuff, so I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: like this is a whole thing. I'm just willing to
Speaker 6: have the conversations with people and listen to their experiences
Speaker 6: and just keep an open mind about you know what,
Speaker 6: There's so much shit we just don't know.
Speaker 5: So I'm I'm just here to listen to everyone's experiences.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, if I didn't have the
Speaker 1: background that I have with the experiences that I have
Speaker 1: had firsthand, I probably would have a fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: spread on this one. It's it's because of my experiences
Speaker 1: in my past with the demon attachment that I had
Speaker 1: and the angelic attachment that I've had to where that
Speaker 1: has formed my opinion on that. But I absolutely understand
Speaker 1: why people would have a difference of opinions, And this
Speaker 1: is not something that I.
Speaker 4: Want to like fight someone over.
Speaker 1: If they disagree with me on it, they are more
Speaker 1: than entitled to their opinion on this. This is just
Speaker 1: what I have come to within my own experiences, to
Speaker 1: this conclusion.
Speaker 4: But everybody's entitled to their opinion. I should make that
Speaker 4: caveat a.
Speaker 1: Lot of people hear my demon story and think that
Speaker 1: I'm out of my fucking mind. I'm like, brother, I
Speaker 1: wish I was. That would make so much more sense
Speaker 1: on this shit.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been into it.
Speaker 6: The only place that I've ever went that I was like,
Speaker 6: absolutely made my entire skin crawl and I wouldn't even
Speaker 6: actually step foot in it. We went to in a
Speaker 6: scene asylum, an abandoned a scene asylum, and it was
Speaker 6: like a whole thing, and you know, we're nineteen years
Speaker 6: old and stuff, and everyone's like, let's go in there.
Speaker 4: Because teenagers are so smart, Like, clearly some evil shit
Speaker 4: happened here, let's go in get it. So like a
Speaker 4: lot of Scooby Doo Dog, a lot of.
Speaker 6: Evil shit actually happened at this particular one and I
Speaker 6: knew kind of the history it, but I'm like, you
Speaker 6: know what, no big deal, like whatever. As we get
Speaker 6: closer and closer and closer to it, my stomach starts
Speaker 6: to turn.
Speaker 5: More and more and more, and.
Speaker 6: I'm like at the point where I was like I
Speaker 6: might actually vomit. My I'm sweating, My skin was like crawling,
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, I just really don't
Speaker 6: think that I want to particularly go in this thing.
Speaker 6: And everyone's like, you know, because I love horror movies
Speaker 6: and I love all that stuff, and everyone's like, there's
Speaker 6: no way that you're terrified, and I was like, it's
Speaker 6: not that I'm terrified. It's like that I'm physically getting
Speaker 6: ill even like going up to this place that it
Speaker 6: just seems so evil and just so much dark energy
Speaker 6: that was surrounding the building in and of itself that
Speaker 6: I just didn't want to even go near it. I
Speaker 6: got to like the edge of the gate, and I
Speaker 6: was like, you know, it's one of those things of
Speaker 6: like do I want to go in there, not particularly
Speaker 6: at this point. And like people that went in there,
Speaker 6: there was a whole he was a huge group of people.
Speaker 6: Of those people, quite a few people came back out eventually,
Speaker 6: like terrified obviously, because your mind runs and you create
Speaker 6: scenarios in your own mind of things that you've seen and.
Speaker 5: Stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Sure, but there was quite a few people that like
Speaker 6: as weeks when they had on they talked about having
Speaker 6: really bad nightmares and they were just having really bad
Speaker 6: experiences and like, man, I keep having all this stuff
Speaker 6: happened to me, And I was like, yep, I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that there was evil attached to you. All I'm
Speaker 6: saying is that my ass ain't going inside that building.
Speaker 4: So we had a very experience in DC.
Speaker 1: Some of my buddies found out about this old pediatric
Speaker 1: insane asylum in Maryland that was abandoned back in like
Speaker 1: the forties, like old rundowniatric say like like insane basies children. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so for anybody at the time, they did some research
Speaker 1: into this. Basically, this place was for sixteen and under
Speaker 1: that were clinically insane, and it was ran by nuns
Speaker 1: of course, and there was so much controversy surrounding this building,
Speaker 1: in this this institution that he got shut down. So
Speaker 1: one of my guys that was stationed there was a
Speaker 1: local to Maryland. We were station in DC. It was
Speaker 1: about a two hour drive away from where we were stationed,
Speaker 1: so they decided they were going to go out there.
Speaker 1: The problem is, for some reason, this insane asylum to
Speaker 1: this day is guarded by cops and National guardsmen. Now
Speaker 1: I have no idea why there is actual National guard
Speaker 1: that are posted there twenty four to seven.
Speaker 5: I you do an episode on it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wish I could, but I don't know the
Speaker 1: name of this place. I could reach out to some
Speaker 1: guys and see if they could give me the name,
Speaker 1: to be dope. But these fuckers just because the only
Speaker 1: way you can get to it is if you go
Speaker 1: you have to park off of the highway, you have
Speaker 1: to walk through the woods a couple of miles, and
Speaker 1: then you get to one of the side gates that
Speaker 1: have been torn open.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, yeah, drone you got a drone in there? Bam.
Speaker 1: Well, So this is circa twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and
Speaker 1: we were broke ass e three's nobody could afford the
Speaker 1: drones that could have done that.
Speaker 3: We could do it now, we.
Speaker 1: Could, right, So these fuckers decided to go inside and
Speaker 1: start taking uh mementos of their trip.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Somebody took a little doll. Somebody took a record player,
Speaker 1: a little miniature one. They brought it back to the barracks.
Speaker 1: Every single dude that went on this trip started having
Speaker 1: the exact same nightmare on repeat every night for three months.
Speaker 1: So they threw all the shit away and moved on
Speaker 1: with their lives. And I'm like, well, what the fuck
Speaker 1: did you think was gonna happen? You dix like this?
Speaker 4: Would you do? You think this is Scooby Doo real
Speaker 4: life like?
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they learned the hard way that there
Speaker 1: is something of the spiritual variety that we just can't explain,
Speaker 1: and it's best if we just don't fuck with it.
Speaker 1: But they did show me some pictures of the place,
Speaker 1: and granted, like the building was like super dilapidating all
Speaker 1: like the uh the wallpaper was like curling off the
Speaker 1: walls and shit, it looked really ominous.
Speaker 4: Just if it was a horror movie set, it would
Speaker 4: look dope.
Speaker 1: But then when you find out what all took place
Speaker 1: at this spot, then there were chairs that were like allegedly,
Speaker 1: this place hasn't been occupied or nobody's gone here for decades.
Speaker 1: It seems like every room they walked in like there
Speaker 1: was like four chairs that were all facing each other
Speaker 1: as if people were sitting there having a conversation, but
Speaker 1: nobody was there.
Speaker 4: They kept hearing weird noises.
Speaker 1: Some of these beds looked like they were just made,
Speaker 1: even though they also look fucked up at the same time.
Speaker 4: And it's like, so.
Speaker 1: There is a chance that maybe crackheads were living there,
Speaker 1: but with the constant cop and National Guard, you know,
Speaker 1: patrols that were going on there, I have a hard
Speaker 1: time believing it. And yeah, yeah, that was a whole
Speaker 1: thing that happened. So good on you for recognizing that
Speaker 1: within your gut and within your heart of hearts and
Speaker 1: being like, hey, y'all, I'm gonna go chill outside and
Speaker 1: stay and watch.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: I just didn't go in.
Speaker 6: I was a little baby about it, but I still
Speaker 6: to this day stand by it, and I'm like, mmm,
Speaker 6: I'm good.
Speaker 4: Smart.
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