1 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:36,039 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,119 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:43,600 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:46,799 But first I do want to encourage you. If you 5 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,320 are enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite 6 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,560 podcast software. I also want to encourage you to check 7 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,640 out our other podcast. Today, I'm highlighting the old time 8 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:03,280 radio snack Wagon snack wagon dot net, where every Monday 9 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,799 we post a boite sized bit of old time radio 10 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:10,040 for your listening pleasure. 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What are you waiting for? 21 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 4: He's laying on the cash register, or push him off. 22 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,759 Speaker 2: You got hands, hated his money in that registered. There 23 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:16,080 was money in that register, eight dollars. The three men left, 24 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:33,759 leaving Kiev behind dead. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The story of a 25 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:38,080 murder and of a reporter who befriended the loneliest man 26 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:54,199 on earth, Pitsburgh, Pennsylvania. The story hasn't actually happened. Rays 27 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:11,560 Spriggle's story as he liveded, this was before you won 28 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:16,319 the fullet surprise, Ray Wriggle, reporter for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. 29 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,520 Before you are brilliant and humane work on behalf of 30 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,560 the underprivileged of America. But even then, a few years back, 31 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:31,039 the same unmistakable signs were there, the perception, the respect 32 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,400 for facts, the sympathy for other human beings. The woman 33 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:39,039 at your desk, sitting on the edge of her chair, 34 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,719 was thirty five, maybe she was younger. What she'd been 35 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:49,639 through made her look like twelve thirty five, And the 36 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,159 story came out haltingly, as if it hurt to open 37 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,360 the wounds she carried. Her name was Hortense Grayson's name. 38 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 5: He doesn't much to mister Spree. I don't think so, no, 39 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,240 I guess almost nobody remembers. Six years ago, mister sprigger, 40 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:12,960 my husband was arrested for robbery. He broke into a 41 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,120 doctor's office. He and two other. 42 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,399 Speaker 6: You said robbery. He isn't the murder. 43 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 5: That's right, mister spreeper. He has a life sentence for murder, 44 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,439 a murder he never committed. Maybe I ought to tell 45 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,079 you first. Why came to you? 46 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:35,199 Speaker 7: You see your name? Well, maybe this doesn't not like 47 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,160 anything to you, but I've read your articles. 48 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 8: Is dispaber. 49 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 7: No, I'd like to say. I think if there's anyone 50 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:49,040 in Pittsburgh who can do anything, you're that man. I 51 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:50,040 don't say your husband. 52 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 6: Let's get back to the story, shall. 53 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 5: I've told you my husband was a robbery. I told 54 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,560 you that he was arrested for a murder, which he 55 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:04,639 never can I want to tell you this too. I 56 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,240 divorced him four years ago. 57 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,879 Speaker 6: And what's a woman who divorced her husband doing and 58 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:11,040 fighting for his release? 59 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 7: The answer is just that I know he is innocent. 60 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,959 He didn't do it. 61 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 6: Well, suppose you tell me all about it now. 62 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 5: My husband and these two other men Fraymon Jensen were 63 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,120 picked up after they robbed the doctor's office that was 64 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,079 in Cambria County. There was no question about his guilty. 65 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 7: While I was quick it was sentenced to ten years. 66 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:39,360 We hadn't been in prison a week when witnesses came 67 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:42,199 forward and testified that he and the other two men 68 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,800 that robbed the doctor's office and also killed this man 69 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:50,120 Cheever in his barbecue place three weeks before the other 70 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,639 two were guilty. Well, now I'm jail, but Clem Clem 71 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,079 wasn't at Keeper's place that night. I was sick in 72 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,439 bed in it. He took care of me, and there 73 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,680 were two other people in the house playing parts with Clim. 74 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,279 They swear he never left the house. 75 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 6: Is there any evidence outside of the statement that you've made. 76 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:16,079 Speaker 7: That's the terrible part. You see Framer, one of the 77 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:18,800 men in kill Keeper, he admitted that Clam wasn't there 78 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:23,040 that night. He wrote out a confession. And Jensen, the 79 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,000 other killer, he admitted it to me that Clam wasn't there, 80 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,519 but he wouldn't write a confession. And the court transcript, 81 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,279 if you read the transcript the way the witnesses changed their. 82 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,399 Speaker 5: Minds, said mister Sprig, and I can't do anything. 83 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:47,079 Speaker 6: You pardon this question, missus, said us his name. Do 84 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,600 you have anything besides. 85 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:48,879 Speaker 8: You would. 86 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,399 Speaker 7: I've brought it off and the distriggled transcripts, confession statements 87 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:59,839 and witnesses. If you'd only read it, I don't know why. 88 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 6: Okay, just put it down on the desk. I'll read 89 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,240 it and maybe I will write a story. Now tell 90 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,519 me one thing. Why did you divorce it? 91 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,079 Speaker 7: I don't want to talk about it. You have to 92 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:14,839 talk about it. 93 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 8: That's okay, that's okay. 94 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: Maybe it's as pony it's a three dollar bill. But 95 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,360 even if it is, even if everything she says is 96 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:38,920 pure on adulterated fabrication, it's a pretty good story. The 97 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,639 host woman seeks to free X made not fair, not fair, 98 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,839 and on that somewhat cynical, somewhat casual note, raise spiggle, 99 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:51,720 you get involved. 100 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,439 Speaker 6: Well, let's must start here. Compassion of George Rayman. 101 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:04,839 Speaker 8: They committed one o'clock. He told him that US was 102 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:05,519 in the register. 103 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,959 Speaker 4: He went for gun and Rogers shot him and we 104 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,240 left the Counada. Money was eight dollars, so me and 105 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,399 Jensen and Rogers went home. Clem Grayson wasn't there. 106 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: Depositions of convicted men aren't very much, you know, But 107 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,120 when a man in prison for life that LITZI was 108 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,879 involved in a murder and thereby jeopardizes his chance for 109 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:35,120 parole or part. 110 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 6: Hey, maybe there's something here. Sworn statement Robert. Robert and 111 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,960 I broke the regular with Ben raising the night at. 112 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 9: A Kiva killing. We started at nine thirty in his kitchen. 113 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:53,039 His wife was sick in the bedroom. We played till 114 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:56,759 two fifteen. We remember because when we were finished, I 115 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:59,960 said to my brother five hours to lose thirty five. 116 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:01,720 But ain't ray smart. 117 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 6: Transcriptive testimony in case of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania versus Clem. 118 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:16,879 Speaker 8: Graces. 119 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:22,399 Speaker 6: Here's the section The attorney then examined the witness. 120 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 8: You positively identify the defendant. 121 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,039 Speaker 6: Grayson is one of the trio. 122 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 10: Yes, sir, I was eating a barbecue. 123 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 11: Sandwich, but you didn't identify Grayson when you were first 124 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:36,240 taken to the county jail. 125 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 10: I'll have to acknowledge. I was a little confused, But now. 126 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 12: They're absolutely certain. Absolutely. The reason I didn't then was 127 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:54,240 I I guess I was slightly muddled. What makes you 128 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:55,159 certain now? 129 00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 13: Well? 130 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 12: I thought it over and I had a. 131 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 10: Talk with the sergeant in charge, and he convinced me 132 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:13,440 and no, I'm not so slegeant. 133 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:12,399 Speaker 6: And thought I was muddled before. Now I'm absolutely certain 134 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:22,679 gets more interesting online. Now it's testimony of Nellie Swinson, waitress. 135 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 8: In fact, Miss Swinson, that you. 136 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,279 Speaker 11: Were asked at the preliminary hearing, can you tell who 137 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,559 was standing in the doorway with the gun? 138 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 8: Yes, sir, what did you say? 139 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:38,279 Speaker 7: I said, I couldn't tell exactly, because you see, he 140 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,559 had his coat collar up and his hat down, and 141 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:42,879 I didn't watch his face. I watched his gun. 142 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:46,399 Speaker 11: That's what you said at the preliminary hearing some weeks ago. 143 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,360 Now what did you testify to a few minutes ago? 144 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 7: I can't exactly remember. 145 00:10:54,279 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 11: I shall refresh your memory. You said quote. 146 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 6: I saw was Clem Grayson? Is that correct? 147 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 7: Yes? 148 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,159 Speaker 11: How do you explain you're evamping your testimony? 149 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 7: I can't. 150 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 11: During the recess a few minutes ago, would you talk 151 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,440 to the prosecutor in this case? 152 00:11:21,159 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 7: Yes, Louder please, yes, I did. 153 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 14: Will you please tell the court what it was you 154 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:28,399 talked to the prosecutor about. 155 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 8: I object I want to sustain the objection. 156 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:36,799 Speaker 6: On the grounds of the content of the conversation was immaterial. Immaterial, 157 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:43,120 it's the most material thing on earth. This is fantastic. Edna, Edna, 158 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:59,120 get me missus Grayson on the phone. Missus Grayson. If 159 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:01,240 I look like a man who's tolling himself, that's just 160 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:04,639 what I am. I've seldom seen anything so blatant's so 161 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,960 open and shuts over. What are you crying about? 162 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,639 Speaker 8: It's nothing. It was. 163 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:14,879 Speaker 6: No, no, no, I've cut that out. 164 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,919 Speaker 7: It's just the first person in six years understood. 165 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:23,799 Speaker 6: You've been on this six years. 166 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 7: First, I took it to the prosecuting a turn. He 167 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,679 told me to take it to the sheriff of West Mall. 168 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,840 I went to the sheriff. He told me to take 169 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,200 it to the state police at Harrisburg. At Harrisburg, they 170 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,440 told me to see the governor. Governor's a busy man. 171 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,240 I saw the second assistant to the lieutenant governor. He 172 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,679 told me to take it to the prosecuting attorney. 173 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 6: And that's what you've been doing for six. 174 00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 7: Years, six years, five months, nineteen days. 175 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,799 Speaker 6: Now tell me why, why you know what I'm talking about? Why, 176 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,159 after being divorced, you keep the name a murderer's name. 177 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,960 Why have you kept going at it for six years, 178 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,240 five months and nineteen days. 179 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:18,399 Speaker 5: I love the guy. No, if this was a movie, 180 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:23,840 that would be the reason I don't love Clem. I 181 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:26,240 guess I haven't loved Clem for a long time. 182 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 7: The reason is Kathy. Kathy's oar gone, mister Spriggler. Wild 183 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,519 horses couldn't. 184 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:35,799 Speaker 8: Get me hut. 185 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 7: But after the way you've talked, I think you ought 186 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,440 to know. Kathy was about four at the time. Claim 187 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,960 was senter. You see, I found out that a grown 188 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,039 woman can put a man out of her life if 189 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,879 she wants to, but a child can't. And Clem was 190 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:01,519 in her life, whether I liked it or not. And 191 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,000 as she grew older, she's ten ten and a half, 192 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:09,639 I got to do a lot of questions. Other girls 193 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,080 have fathers, She has no father, And what am I 194 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,200 going to tell her when she grows in the young womanhood? 195 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:20,399 What's she going to tell her friends that her father's 196 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,480 a convict, that he's in prison for murder. She'll have 197 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:31,279 to lie and evade it. That'll work. I don't want that. 198 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:39,639 I don't want that, especially because her father's innocent. So 199 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,559 you see, I didn't solve anything by divorce and friends. 200 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:49,039 Speaker 6: I'm beginning to understand. And if he's braved what will 201 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:49,799 she be able to listen? 202 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,559 Speaker 7: She'll say, my parents are the worst. My father and 203 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:56,759 mother never got along. 204 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,879 Speaker 15: I live with my mother, but I for my father 205 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,759 all the time, working in Cleveland, Boston and California. 206 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:12,159 Speaker 7: If she can say that, mister, that's all I want. 207 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 6: Well, suppose we see what we can do, Missus Grayson. 208 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,039 Let's see if there really is such a thing as 209 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:41,279 power of truth. It's a good story and a big one. 210 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,480 And you Ray Spriggle, reporter for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, 211 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:51,200 do it in three installments, three big half pages, setting 212 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,320 forth the affidavits, the confessions, and the conflicting testimony. Did 213 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,679 you wait and see what the power of truth is? 214 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:04,240 You also go a step further with missus Grayson. You 215 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,080 helped prepare the papers for the pardon board. Don't worry 216 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,679 not don't worry. I think we've got one of the 217 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:11,200 finest cases of a presenter. Let's go in this. 218 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 16: Have to d and careful consideration of this pardon board. 219 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,039 It is our considered judgment that the confession of the 220 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:39,120 convicted murderer Cramer is inconclusive, that internal conflict within the 221 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,720 testimony of witnesses has been demonstrated but is insufficient. And 222 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:49,360 let it be remembered that the prisoner seeking this pardon, 223 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,720 CLYM Grayson, is not only an admitted robber, but has 224 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,200 been found guilty of murder by a jury of his peers. 225 00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:58,440 Pardon denied. 226 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: Now you begin to understand those six years, five months, 227 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:14,319 nineteen days. This isn't a matter of simple justice. This 228 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,079 isn't a matter of the power of truth or the press. 229 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:24,319 The law is a highly technical, complex, careful business. And 230 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,359 so you bring into the case an old friend, Tom 231 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,119 and a lawyer. It's a good case. Rate good, but. 232 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 6: Not good enough. 233 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 17: What more do you want, Tom, Well, if you could 234 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,799 get the jury each one of the jurors, that'd be something. 235 00:17:43,079 --> 00:17:45,319 If you could show about six more cracks in the 236 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,559 testimony of the witnesses, that would be something. If you 237 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:55,000 could get Jensen, the third guy, to confess, that I 238 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:59,240 guess would be almost conclusive. Almost, That's what I said. Oh, 239 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,319 what are you trying to do? Make it tougher than 240 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:01,680 it is? 241 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,559 Speaker 18: Oh, my friend, I am nearly trying to make it 242 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,319 precisely as tough as the pardon board made it. 243 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 6: Okay, I think you understand. How about you? What about me? 244 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:15,400 Will you see this thing through with me. 245 00:18:16,279 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 8: What do you think I'm doing here twiddling myself? 246 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 6: There's no money. Grayson hasn't got to me. Neither is 247 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,519 missus Grayson. And all I can do is take you 248 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:25,240 out for a shot once in a while. I'll cut 249 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:27,519 it out. And as far as publicity goes, you guys 250 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,680 need publicity. Don't kid me, Tom, you might come in 251 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,920 for some shall we say, adverse publicity? What are we 252 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:44,599 stand around talking for the guys in jail? You'll move now. 253 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,039 Speaker 2: First in the Westmoreland County dives, full rooms, clop houses, 254 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,200 and there when you ask the question, you get a 255 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:53,200 common answer. 256 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 13: Kidding Brad Grayson never done that job. It was Rogers 257 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,599 all the way, Cramber, Jenson and Rogers. 258 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,039 Speaker 6: Everybody says the same thing, Tom, everywhere I go, Kramer, 259 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,000 Jensen and Rodgers. What about Rodgers? He's the third of 260 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,039 the trio, now I know that. 261 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 8: I mean, what's he doing now? 262 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:15,519 Speaker 6: Well, the court didn't believe he was mixed up with 263 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:17,799 the killing, so he never went to jail. Now he's 264 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:20,240 a small town political art in Cambria County. 265 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 8: Didn't get anything on him. 266 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 6: I'm sure a friend out there. You mean what I 267 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,039 just told you was no good. It's common gossip. Rogers 268 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:28,480 did it. 269 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 18: Look, I'll say it to you once more. The law 270 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,160 is no layman's game. Specific full blown evidence is needed. 271 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:41,079 What's gossip? What they say in the gin mills and 272 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,720 the flop houses doesn't go very far in court or 273 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,079 with the part for it. Try your sheriff friend, break 274 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,200 down Rogers, get Jensen to admit that Grayson wasn't. 275 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 8: Then on him. 276 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 6: Then come back. 277 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 8: We'll talk about what to do. 278 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 6: Hey, this is tough. 279 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,599 Speaker 2: You'll move again, this time more slowly, carefully, and it 280 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,960 takes time. A month, six months, a year, two years. Finally, 281 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,640 four years have gone by since missus Grayson first came 282 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,920 into your office, a thing you thought would take a 283 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:25,200 few articles in the paper. And even now after four years, 284 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,200 all you've got the show is sure. 285 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 6: If you've got to get me something on Rogers, you've 286 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:29,519 got to. 287 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,319 Speaker 13: There's nothing on earth I'd like to do better than 288 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:38,240 but Rogers belongs. I'm sure he was the one of 289 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,920 murdered Keeler, and you know it. There's no proof. 290 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 6: Look, I know all about proof. Can't we get something 291 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:44,799 on him? 292 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,519 Speaker 13: The past four years I've watched Rogers. You all I 293 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,359 can tellue is that the average choir boy has gotten 294 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,480 in a more trouble. Well, if anything shows up, I'll. 295 00:20:55,319 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 6: Get in touch with him. What kind of a human 296 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,440 being are you, Gensen? 297 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 16: I ain't a human being. I'm a convict and then 298 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,240 a murder. 299 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,319 Speaker 6: Look, Jensen, you know Grayson had nothing to do with 300 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,599 the murder. You know Rogers did it. Kramer admitted it. 301 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,759 Why don't you give the guy a break? He served 302 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:18,359 ten years? 303 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 16: Yeah, how long you think? I said? 304 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,319 Speaker 6: There's an innocent man rotting in jail. So I'm a 305 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,720 guilty man riding in jail. Why don't you try your 306 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,920 story on Rogers? He might listen to you me. I 307 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:39,440 am too big a Rogers. Name's Armon t Rogers. I 308 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,799 like to be called by my name. You don't mind, 309 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,720 you pretty? Assure you so much sitting pretty. You don't 310 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:47,680 care that Grayson didn't do it, but he's taken the 311 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:50,640 rap for you. You don't care about anything. 312 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 14: I wouldn't say, mister Spiggle. I like a good cigar, 313 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,519 I like music, and I like fine food. Race is 314 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:05,119 sure I care. I care the same way. It's when 315 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,160 a fly gets in my way and I got to 316 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,799 kill him and look them all. 317 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: And it goes on. Now the four years have becomes five, 318 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:23,079 the five it becomes six. Every two years, you and 319 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,799 Attorney Tom and or have gone before the pardon good 320 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,279 three times you've gone and three times you've heard the 321 00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:33,640 words pardon the knive. 322 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 8: There it's me. 323 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 6: Well, you're be pused to know they turned this down 324 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:48,160 a third time? 325 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 8: What is smiling about? 326 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 7: You know what they say about women? 327 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 6: That's just how dont know? What are you talking about? 328 00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:01,599 Speaker 7: About? How weak we are, can't do anything by ourselves? 329 00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 6: What have you got? 330 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 7: I went to see Jensen today. I told him the 331 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,799 pardon board to turn down clems please the third time. 332 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,559 And what he said he did? 333 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 8: You got it? 334 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 7: He did? Geez. 335 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 15: I thought the pardon board would give it to him 336 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,799 long ago, but I guess they won't. So he sat 337 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:27,359 down and wrote a full confession, clearing clemm happy, I please, this. 338 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 7: Is what we were after. 339 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,279 Speaker 6: Now, look, I got a lot older since you first 340 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:37,799 song six years ago. I would have turned handspas Now 341 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,440 I want to be sure passion has played it's true 342 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,039 before we go back to that pardon border. I want 343 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:46,960 to have an absolutely type case. 344 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 7: What more can we possibly get? 345 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 6: I'm waiting for Roger to cry. 346 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 7: Meantime Clem's and jail. 347 00:23:55,599 --> 00:24:00,799 Speaker 6: I believe, please believe, let's make shoe will get. 348 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 19: Him, So you said, with the swan confession of Jensen 349 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:17,960 making two sworn confessions that Clym Grayson is innocent and 350 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:19,160 Rogers is guilty. 351 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:28,319 Speaker 6: You wait for the call which finally comes Friggel speaking 352 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:43,680 to tell you Rogers Roger, and so you finally slipped Rogers. 353 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,480 You beat up your wife last night. You beat her 354 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,039 up and put her in the hospital for a month. 355 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 13: Look, I don't have to sit here and listen to you. 356 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 6: That's where you're wrong. The sheriff said, stay with him 357 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,400 as long as you like Ray. That's me Ray, till 358 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,359 you get just what you want. And just what I 359 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,359 want is a signed confession that you killed You not 360 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:05,119 clam Grayson, another kill Kiev. Should I read you the 361 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,599 confession of Kramer, the whole thing, with every one of 362 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,119 its lousy, sordid details. You want to hear the confession 363 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,759 of Jensen how he says you were the one pushed 364 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,920 the body off the cash register and took the money out. 365 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,079 I don't care what you got to say. Shall I 366 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,200 tell you what your wife told me and the sheriff 367 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,759 about that night, about your alibi. 368 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,319 Speaker 13: The liars, both of them lie, I'll say. 369 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 6: Rogers, do it the hard way, get in, caught and 370 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,000 faced them. Everything about the murder will come out, every 371 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,440 dirty piece of it. A confession would have made it 372 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,680 much easier for you, But you won't talk well, Rogers. 373 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,240 It'll be a pleasure, a great pleasure, to take you apart, 374 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,079 bit by bit in a courtroom, right in front of 375 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,880 the whole world. 376 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,599 Speaker 2: And on a winter day a little later, you and 377 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,480 hard hands graces wait. The chairman of the part board 378 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,559 says the inevitable words, setting Clem Grayson free. The wheels 379 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:12,960 of justice crying slow, sometimes in this case twelve years, 380 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,960 five months, twenty two days. But the important thing is 381 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,039 they do crime. 382 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 6: Now. 383 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 10: We read you that telegram from Ray Spriggel of the 384 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:31,599 Pittsburgh Post Gazette. 385 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 6: Grayson granted full pardon on the murder conviction. When released, 386 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,359 he quickly enlisted in the United States Army and served 387 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,839 overseas with distinction. Rogers, the actual killer, was convicted and 388 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,160 sentenced to a long term in the Western Penitentiary for 389 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:58,920 his complicity in the murder. And so when's another Big Story. 390 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 20: In order to protect the names of people actually involved 391 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,519 in the night's authentic Big Story, the names of all 392 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,759 characters and the dramatization were changed. With the exception of 393 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:43,359 the newspaper reporter, The Big Story has been a presentation 394 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,039 of the United States Armed Forces Radio Service, the Voice 395 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,680 of Information and Education. 396 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,079 Speaker 1: Welcome back now to the scripts. For our credits. The 397 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,880 reporter Ray Spriggle was played by Bill Smith. In addition 398 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,559 to that, the cast also featured Barbara Weeks, George Petrie, 399 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:20,880 Joshua Shelley, Eric Dressler, Humphrey Davis, and Jim Bowles, and 400 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,319 the narrator Bob Sloan also got into the action playing 401 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,079 a voice. And this was another week where everyone, including 402 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,319 the star, was doubling up. Now, Bill Smith is not 403 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,359 one of those that we heard a lot of. He 404 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:42,240 was mainly a supporting actor. He's been in programs such 405 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,720 as Call the Police, but not a lot of starring work. 406 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,920 I thought that this was an incredible story. The information 407 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:59,799 on it from doctor Joseph Webb. The stories behind the 408 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:06,279 story essentially track with what we heard in the episode. 409 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,400 The name of the robber in this case was Paul Boggs, 410 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,960 who was found guilty of a nineteen thirty one robbery 411 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:19,559 of a doctor's office, and he got ten years, And 412 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,400 then they brought this other case against him involving the 413 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,920 killing of the restaurant owner named Francis McGreevey. The man 414 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,319 who actually did the crime was named Robert Bruner, who 415 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:38,079 admitted that he did it, and he was convicted in 416 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:44,079 nineteen forty three, but Boggs did not get out until 417 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,119 nineteen forty nine, and as Joe Webb points out, Spriegel 418 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:55,559 wrote that there was a time when both Boggs and 419 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,359 Brunner were in prison even for the same crime, even 420 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:07,559 though Boggs had been cleared. And then once when Boggs 421 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,519 got released, the first thing he did is he went 422 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,240 immediately down to the draft board and said, let's go ahead. 423 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,920 I need you to get me inducted because there's a 424 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,079 war going on and I need to do my part. 425 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:24,680 And he went off and served with distinction. Now, interestingly enough, 426 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,279 the Big Story puts a far more positive spin on 427 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:33,880 the situation than Sprigel himself did with their talk about Hey, 428 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,680 at the end of the day, justice was served. Sprigol 429 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:43,079 had actually written a big feature item looking back on 430 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:49,400 the story earlier in nineteen forty nine entitled they Railroaded 431 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:54,000 Paul Boggs. And essentially the prosecutors fought this at every 432 00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:59,559 turn because getting this overturned wouldn't just put Bogs out 433 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,960 of jail, it would shine a lot on their own misconduct. 434 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,759 And when it takes that long to crack obvious injustices, 435 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,559 it undermines the whole system, I mean, the whole justification 436 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,920 of the parole board. After all, he was convicted by 437 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:24,839 a jury rings hollow if the prosecutors were coaching and 438 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,480 manufacturing evidence pretty blatantly, so much that all Spriggol had 439 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,079 to do was look at the transcript. Now, it should 440 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,000 be noted that this is one of those cases where 441 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,079 you just had to stick with it, and Spriggol kept 442 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:45,000 working on this whole story even while he was doing 443 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:50,200 other things. He actually won his Politzer Prize while this 444 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,440 was going on, as he uncovered the history of newly 445 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,359 appointed Justice Hugo Black as a member of the ku 446 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,680 Klux Klan. He had a very strong career and took 447 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:11,440 on a lot of risk, got himself committed to a 448 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,920 mental institution in order to report what conditions were like, 449 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,400 and people who listening on the radio would have known 450 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,200 him for some of his more recent work, which was 451 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,720 referenced subtly at the start of the episode. He went 452 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:31,640 to the Deep South undercover disguised as a black man, 453 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:37,079 and he wrote a major series of articles on what 454 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,720 that experience was like and letting his readers know what 455 00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:42,440 was going on. 456 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 8: Now. 457 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:49,559 Speaker 1: Of course, novelist named John Howard Griffin's efforts are more 458 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:54,519 famous about a decade later, and that was published in 459 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,000 the book Black Like Me. 460 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 6: Now. 461 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: Spriegel was We don't know how he felt about the 462 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,519 radio adaptation, but he was not a fan of the 463 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,880 television program. According to doctor Joe Webb, he said when 464 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920 it was adapted for TV in nineteen fifty five, I 465 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,719 think the true story would have made it a lot 466 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,280 more effective and powerful dramatization. And the critic who wrote 467 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,760 about the series when Fanning, said that was true of 468 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,519 most of the Big Story TV productions, with Fanning writing, actually, 469 00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,000 what might be one of the best programs on TV 470 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,079 is one of the worst. Now, of course, we don't 471 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,880 have a ton of the TV episodes of The Big 472 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,199 Story to judge this by. The one thing that's worth 473 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,840 noting is that the Big Story TV series had the 474 00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:56,039 exact same tom slots around twenty four minutes of story 475 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,519 time as the radio version. And on radio you can 476 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:03,719 do a good job breaking down an event and being 477 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,639 fairly faithful to it with half a dozen actors in 478 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:11,920 a studio. On television, there are so many other visual 479 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,559 elements that you need to care for. On radio, you 480 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:21,079 can have unlimited settings. On television you really do face 481 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,440 some restraints in terms of budget in terms of talent available. 482 00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,559 Though it's worth noting the Big Show ran for non 483 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:35,079 seasons on television, so apparently the viewing public was more 484 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,039 impressed with it than some of the critics. All right, 485 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,840 listener comments and feedback now, and we have some comments 486 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,119 on Spotify regarding the Bitterest Man on Earth Harrison Riots. 487 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,480 This was one of those stories that frustrated me due 488 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,559 to everyone's conviction that this guy wasn't who he said 489 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,840 he was, and yet it took the reporter and not 490 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,039 the state that was trying to find out the truth. 491 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,400 While I'm enjoying the series, I wish it set the 492 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,480 stories in the time period when they took place. It's 493 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,760 not like it's Dragnet where it's the same protagonists each week. 494 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,599 So the stories have to take place in the here 495 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:16,559 and now. It's not like it makes it less entertaining. 496 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:23,559 I definitely understand the concern. Harrison and I tend to agree. 497 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:29,559 I think it really becomes an issue when the events 498 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:33,239 of the time would make more sense of the story. 499 00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:39,280 In that story a couple weeks back that ended in suicide, 500 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,440 understanding that this was during the Great Depression, that they 501 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,920 were doing this, it makes a lot more sense. And 502 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,719 there are other events that change the typical behavior, like 503 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,920 if you think about the war or the housing shortage 504 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,519 after the war leads to behaviors that don't make sense 505 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,960 without the context, like why are you doing that in 506 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,320 nineteen forty eight or nineteen forty nine. So I think 507 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,920 it tends to complicate the production if you if you 508 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:20,599 don't address those because the logic can be weak. Dawn 509 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,679 Wright's please don't take this as a complaint. This was 510 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,119 an interesting story, but not much of a mystery and 511 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,880 not a lot of detection needed. It was fascinating to 512 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,360 see a judicial just a story presented with nineteen forty sensibilities. Well, 513 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,400 I definitely understand what you're saying, and truthfully, the big 514 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,400 story is kind of a stretch to our format. It's 515 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,719 the type of series I probably would not have thought 516 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,639 I'd end up playing when we started doing great detectives. 517 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,639 But it's one of those series that's close enough as 518 00:37:56,679 --> 00:38:01,840 we began to run out of material, and certainly not 519 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:06,760 every case is going to fit neatly into a typical 520 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,480 mystery bucket, although I think there are also several episodes 521 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:16,239 of Dragnet quite honestly, that are very entertaining but don't 522 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,920 fit that as well. You take something like The Big Break, 523 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:25,039 which is one of my all time favorite Dragnet episodes, 524 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:30,760 where you're dealing with this fugitive robber, and they know 525 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,000 who the robber is, they know he did it, and 526 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,519 it's just a matter of finding him and bringing him 527 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:41,159 to justice, And the same can be true of so 528 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,760 many cases where it's just a matter of finding the fugitive, 529 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,000 and episodes like that one and this one are about 530 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,079 how is it that you are able to correct an 531 00:38:55,159 --> 00:39:01,000 unjustice and prove to the satisfaction of the parole board 532 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,440 that this man is not guilty and merits a pardon 533 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,639 or a new trial, and then Mechanic sixty six rights 534 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,840 that Goodwin could have been Tenny and went under different 535 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,199 names at different places. I don't recall any mention of 536 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,760 him having any identification under any name. It's a fair point, 537 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,679 but there's also not any suggestion that the man whose 538 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,719 wife was murdered was some sort of transient. In fact, 539 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,239 my recollection is that up until the time of the 540 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,519 murder he was pretty much in the same place. As 541 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:46,320 to the identification point, it was really not common in 542 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,920 the early nineteen thirties for everybody to carry IDA around, 543 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:55,239 so it was a lot more informal, so the absence 544 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,559 of ID wouldn't really prove anything. 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We'll be back next Tuesday 553 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:32,719 with another episode of The Big Story, but join us 554 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:39,599 back here tomorrow for Broadways My Beat Where. 555 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,079 Speaker 21: Done the steps He's in the Senate, you were the 556 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:44,840 one who found him. 557 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,559 Speaker 22: See we went down here to my store Vitory Prentice 558 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:48,800 to be for my customers. 559 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 21: Will you re see it got any other entrance to 560 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,039 this seller than those steps we just came down you 561 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,559 e see sing Look, don't make a drama out of it, Louise, 562 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:00,440 just take it's easy. 563 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,639 Speaker 22: There and the big cases stretched out with dead. 564 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 21: I'll tell us, Luis, how did you get in here? 565 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 6: Puffy? 566 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,199 Speaker 22: You see a window through which deliveries are made from 567 00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,360 the alley mirror. The window is broken through. 568 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 21: So take a look at the alley comments. Okay, you 569 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,440 know who he is, Luis. 570 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 22: See his recodomy Gate and the boy who lives near 571 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,400 the boy who works at the pastality of Segnor. Look 572 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,119 the bakery shop also not five. 573 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 21: Yeah stamped four places than actors. 574 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 22: There's the floor show, Senor be gone. 575 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 21: Yeah, decide you. 576 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,559 Speaker 22: Cannot take the time to see Senor. 577 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,679 Speaker 21: It is exciting, decad you have not the time. 578 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime. 579 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,960 Send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 580 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,920 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 581 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:03,719 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash great detectives from Boise, Idaho. 582 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,000 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.