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<v Speaker 1>Chris Camarani's live in studio. All right, Christopher, I need

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<v Speaker 1>your immediate reaction. RSL has one designated player. His name

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<v Speaker 1>is Diogo. Is my dog about to hump you?

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<v Speaker 2>He's currently chasing his tail, but he's eyeing my right leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let him know, Just tell him to sit if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to. If you want to witness c K

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<v Speaker 1>trying to avoid being humped by my dog. It's on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Duke is a little bit of a humper, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to work with him on that. So Diogo Gonsolve

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<v Speaker 1>is the only designated player on RSL's roster. Has been

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<v Speaker 1>left home for this two game road trip due to

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<v Speaker 1>disciplinary reasons. That's all we know. We just found out

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<v Speaker 1>last segment. What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think that And I'm not accusing RSL

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<v Speaker 2>of fabricating any sort of injury report, but the heel

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<v Speaker 2>injury the day before last Saturday? Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the timing is kind of in retrospect, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>little too striking. Listen, you're not going to get more

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<v Speaker 2>from RSL. Like I'm like, good for Jason for telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>and good that it's out there, because now there's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a club mandated statement from a club mandated employee.

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<v Speaker 2>But this to me is a potential pathway down no

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<v Speaker 2>longer being RSL's number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes signings don't work out, and sometimes high profile signings

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<v Speaker 2>don't work out, and Diogo isn't exactly the type of

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<v Speaker 2>high profile signing that's worth potential headaches that apparently is

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<v Speaker 2>being given at the moment. I think he has one

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<v Speaker 2>goal this year. I don't remember how many he had

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<v Speaker 2>last year, one or two. So like, sometimes you have

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<v Speaker 2>to call a spade a spade, and with the upcomer

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming sever transfer windows, sometimes you might be better for

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<v Speaker 2>you to shake hands, give bones, dap each other up

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<v Speaker 2>and say good luck. I could be wrong. Maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>is a you know, a step in a direction where

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<v Speaker 2>Diogo and the coaching staff and the front office have

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to settle through. But if you were asking me

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<v Speaker 2>to read the tea leaves out in Sandy across from

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<v Speaker 2>the old Mayan, I would say, it seems like we

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<v Speaker 2>are trending in that potential direction. Did they close the

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<v Speaker 2>miya oh a long time ago? Food was never very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Food was never good, But the guys dove off the

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<v Speaker 2>off the rocks the diver.

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<v Speaker 1>The divers were impressive that burritos just were asked. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they closed it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So Diego Luna is about to leave for

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<v Speaker 1>the US men's national team to play in the Gold Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>He will be playing tonight, He'll be playing on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles. Then he's gone. Pablo on the show

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<v Speaker 1>last week, I know you heard it because you listen

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. He dropped a bit of a bomb

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<v Speaker 1>and he said he has been informed by ownership that

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<v Speaker 1>they're no longer interested in the develop young players sell them.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been told that if we develop a young player

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<v Speaker 1>that's good for the group, they want the player to

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<v Speaker 1>stay here. Does that mean RSL will never sell another

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<v Speaker 1>player again, No, it does not. If some team in

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<v Speaker 1>La Liga called Kurt Tomorrow and said forty Milo for

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<v Speaker 1>die you know, like I understand that, it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>they're never going to sell players. But what do you

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<v Speaker 1>make of what Pablo in the front office have expressed

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe this new ownership group is not interested in

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<v Speaker 1>the mindset that previous ownership groups have had.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we need to challenge the ethos that

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<v Speaker 2>this franchise is at the level of some other franchises

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<v Speaker 2>in MLS they or not. They sold Andriscoms last year

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<v Speaker 2>and they sold for Del Barajas. Other than that, there

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been bank breaking sales really ever that our sales

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<v Speaker 2>front off has had a lot to do in the

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<v Speaker 2>last twenty four months, both bringing in players and selling players,

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<v Speaker 2>But before that there wasn't that much going on from

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, development and sell point of view. They've

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<v Speaker 2>developed players that have come to the first team, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>justin Glad Aaron Herrera, Body Hidalgo, mainly defenders, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is not like they are. I mean, there are other

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<v Speaker 2>clubs in this in this league that have signed players

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<v Speaker 2>or developed them from an academy perspective and sold them

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of money. Columbus Crew, Philadelphia Union, La Galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth. So I'm not necessarily surprised

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<v Speaker 2>because Diego Luna is a type of player that you

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<v Speaker 2>currently can't afford to lose, because if you lose Diego Luna,

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<v Speaker 2>you lose the fan base. And yes, if there is

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<v Speaker 2>a forty million dollar tag that comes, yes you sell.

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<v Speaker 2>I think fans would understand that but it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to Diego. Luna isn't going to be sold for more

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<v Speaker 2>than andreskill. Miss. I don't think so interesting. His player

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<v Speaker 2>profile is different. Andris is a true burner, pure winger,

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the fastest dudes in the league. When

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<v Speaker 2>he was here, like was a fringe Colombia national team player.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Diego has a chance to play at the World

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<v Speaker 2>Cup for the US when the US is pretty stacked

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<v Speaker 2>from an attacking point of view. But he plays a

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<v Speaker 2>different position. His style of play is a little more unique,

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<v Speaker 2>body types a little more unique. He's not exactly a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that can now he has foot skills, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>not the type of guy that's going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to run away from a lot of people. But if

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<v Speaker 2>Diego ends this year with twenty goals, maybe we're having

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<v Speaker 2>a different conversation. I just don't see it, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it makes sense from the Millers' perspective that if

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<v Speaker 2>Diego continues to play at this level and go like

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<v Speaker 2>on an upward trajectory, you make him a designated player

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<v Speaker 2>because he's proven that he can do it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>need somebody to build around, and they just don't have anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Else feels like he's already on the level of what

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<v Speaker 1>a deep piece should be, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, he's at that level. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>would imagine that from a locker room perspective. He's he's

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<v Speaker 2>not the captain, but he's a you know, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that people rally around. He's an easy guy to rally around.

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<v Speaker 2>People like playing with him, people like watching him play.

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<v Speaker 2>Mauricio Pochettino's giving him a chance where the previous staff

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<v Speaker 2>did not, and for that is always going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the more idiotic type of moves that will

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<v Speaker 2>never understand why he wasn't even in Paris. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's been playing like a designated player and he's

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<v Speaker 2>been the only guy that's been doing that since they

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<v Speaker 2>jettisoned the likes of Chichio and Andres.

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<v Speaker 1>So where do you like if Diego develops fully and

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<v Speaker 1>meets and meets a ceiling?

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<v Speaker 2>Because your point, are we doing comps, doing TJ comps? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually want to know what sort of level you

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<v Speaker 1>think he can play at, because he's never going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a burner. He just never never, He's never going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a burner. The jabber comps feel right to

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<v Speaker 1>me because they're really similar, and Javier was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that was able to make a difference with his skill

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<v Speaker 1>but was never a burner could take a Javier are

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<v Speaker 1>probably better with free kicks than Diego. Favier hit some

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<v Speaker 1>incredible free kicks. So if Diego has the desire, and

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<v Speaker 1>he does, he actually has set it on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>His goal is to be a European player. Where what league?

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<v Speaker 1>If he maximizes who you think he can be, what

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<v Speaker 1>league do you think he could he could play in

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<v Speaker 1>and play well in.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he could easily transition to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>top clubs in Mexico, which is saying a lot, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, top tier Mexican club teams are very good.

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<v Speaker 2>If you wanted to, I could see him going down

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<v Speaker 2>to Argentina or Brazil. Now, granted those have really good

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<v Speaker 2>club teams, but not at the level of Europe. Europe's

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<v Speaker 2>tough because mainly every single league is like prioritizes the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL bigger, faster, stronger model, Like you want dudes who

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<v Speaker 2>can run really who can jump really high, who can

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<v Speaker 2>run away from you, and have a crazy amount of

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<v Speaker 2>talent on the ball. Diego's a little undersized, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know I know in soccer, we're not talking about guys

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<v Speaker 2>that need to be six two sixty three, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>that position. Like Lionel Messi is the greatest player of

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<v Speaker 2>all time and he's five eight, right, which is I

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<v Speaker 2>think what Diego is. But he'd have to go into

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<v Speaker 2>the right system. Could see him easily starring in a

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<v Speaker 2>league like the Netherlands, I think, going to top flight England, Spain, Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all pretty tough, tough asks. France, I think

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<v Speaker 2>are are all pretty tough asks. But I think for

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<v Speaker 2>Diego it's going to come down to, like does he

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<v Speaker 2>if he wants to go to Europe, does he want

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, a potential first team player or

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<v Speaker 2>a rotational player on a team like PSV, or you

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<v Speaker 2>know a team that's one of the best teams in

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<v Speaker 2>let's say the Netherlands, or you know more ob secure

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<v Speaker 2>leagues like Belgium where you can get a sniff of

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<v Speaker 2>the Champions League, or does it make sense to make

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more money in MLS play. Often, as Jason

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<v Speaker 2>was saying the previous hit, like a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys get tantalized with the prospect of going to Europe

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<v Speaker 2>for obvious reasons. It's where you want to go if

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<v Speaker 2>you have a chance. But it is so cutthroat and listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean like, look at look at the stats around

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<v Speaker 2>andrascoms like he is a eighty to eighty fifth minute

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<v Speaker 2>sub on the middle of the table team in France ye,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas here he was one of the best players in

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<v Speaker 2>the league. So the step up is pretty pretty hefty.

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<v Speaker 2>But Diego could potentially face that, you know, crossroads, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think RSL will make it hard for him to

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<v Speaker 2>want to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>One more thing here. I don't do radio like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have an understanding of how organizations work and

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<v Speaker 1>how roster construction works in pro sports, So I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a simp who we blame. In Spence well,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a simp thing to do to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about someone has to be blamed, because it's more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated than that. This is not a linear finger pointing situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more complicated than that. The ownership transition is a

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<v Speaker 1>real thing, and with the way MLS is set up

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<v Speaker 1>with a single entity, it's also misguided to add up

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<v Speaker 1>the dollars that RSL received in exchange for players Dey

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<v Speaker 1>jettison and then draw a straight line to say invest

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<v Speaker 1>that amount into more players. It's also very fair to

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<v Speaker 1>say there has been a failure on some level to

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<v Speaker 1>at least bring in talent and economic investment to continue

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<v Speaker 1>the momentum you build last year for a team that

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<v Speaker 1>scored more goals in any team in RSL history and

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<v Speaker 1>had more points than any team in RSL history. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff failure is what it is. So instead of saying,

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<v Speaker 1>is it Dave Blitzer, is it Kurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Schmidt, it's everyone's fault. What's fair to say if you

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<v Speaker 2>win as a team, you lose as a team. Starting

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<v Speaker 2>from the players, to the staff, to the front office

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<v Speaker 2>to the ownership, everything is tied together. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>organic mass that moves intertwined together. Listen, they simply have

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<v Speaker 2>missed on a lot of players, and they've missed on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of players while working with a tight budget,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's always going to be hard. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>miss big. RSL hasn't missed big, They've missed small. Miss small.

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<v Speaker 2>With Diogo, miss small, I think you, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say it's a miss, but a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like Don Mark Zuke is not. Andrascomas like these were

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<v Speaker 2>moves that were broadcast as potential replacements, not band aids,

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<v Speaker 2>which at the time they were and they still are.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still band aids. Eventually you're gonna have to rip

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<v Speaker 2>roster it's going to be constructed going forward, specifically with

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<v Speaker 2>the Millers in charge, but it would behoove them to

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<v Speaker 2>spend money, and it would behoove them to spend more

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<v Speaker 2>than a three million dollar transfer on a number ten,

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<v Speaker 2>because three million dollar number ten's don't really exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you spend three million dollars on a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>with like Brian o'haden Amica Anelly. I know that sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can't really ball on a budget anymore that

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<v Speaker 2>you can. You can't. And I know fans will always

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<v Speaker 2>want to support and show out, but sooner or later

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a straw that breaks the Camels back.

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<v Speaker 2>And like we've talked about, RSL is foundering. The Royals

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<v Speaker 2>are I think the worst team in NWSL. They have

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<v Speaker 2>some decent players, but just pay for good players, bring

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<v Speaker 2>in good players, and everything else will handle itself. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been saying this, like ninety percent of what fans want

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<v Speaker 2>to see is just good players, either in person or

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<v Speaker 2>on the tube. That's it, one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred percent, and it is the only way to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to write checks. There has to be economic

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<v Speaker 1>investment into the talent under roster, which leads us to

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<v Speaker 1>the final thing. Then we'll catch a break and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do some college football coming up next summer. Transfer window

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<v Speaker 1>will open in July, got it, And there are thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>matches starting with the first week of the window opening.

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<v Speaker 1>If they act that week, that gives them thirteen matches.

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<v Speaker 1>If they wait until the end of the window, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it gives them eight. So look, here's my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>The primary window came and went, and you blew it.

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<v Speaker 1>You just blew it, and you tried to save it

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<v Speaker 1>with a bench player from Sporting Casey and a dude

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<v Speaker 1>that played against like Dunseeth. You know, you tried to

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<v Speaker 1>save it. And our guy, big Willie Goles, my guy

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<v Speaker 1>not looking great. Johnny's played once for fifteen minutes. Jason

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<v Speaker 1>just basically said like he's not close to soccer shape,

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<v Speaker 1>which is understandable. He wasn't with a club for seven months.

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<v Speaker 1>So because you blew it during the primary transfer window,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have targets ready that as soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>can when that window opens, get it done. Don't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for the window to close and do it the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>As of Jason's interview last segment, I now have Pablo,

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt and Jason on the record saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Their belief is, or what they're saying out loud publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there two dynamic attacking players away from being among

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<v Speaker 1>the best teams in MLS? I have no idea if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case. In addition to Diego, Yes, okay, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>So if that's the case, two dynamic attacking players, summer

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<v Speaker 1>transfer window, and don't make it two million dollar guys

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<v Speaker 1>like Go, make a splash, get two seven eight million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar attacking players. Is that enough to salvage something this year? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the season's lost, especially considering you're losing Diego

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<v Speaker 2>four potentially two months. You know, let's let's hope he

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<v Speaker 2>stays healthy and balls with the national team and continues

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<v Speaker 2>to impress that coaching staff. But I mean, in what

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<v Speaker 2>world has this iteration of RSL convinced, convinced anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>they can, you know, tread water on their own without

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<v Speaker 2>Diego Luna. I mean, it's just there. You watch them

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<v Speaker 2>play and they have like two two basic attacking maneuvers.

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<v Speaker 2>They will overload the right side or they will get it,

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<v Speaker 2>get it, get it to the left foot of Alex Catronis,

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<v Speaker 2>who will send it across to Nobody does. But for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, there is you know, nobody crashing the box,

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<v Speaker 2>no late runners there. They lack for any sort of idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they're just I think they know they're limited.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think this is a club that understands

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<v Speaker 2>its limitations and they're learning them in real time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you wholeheartedly. I think if if the Millers

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<v Speaker 2>really want to show the fan base that they mean

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<v Speaker 2>business like, I think, you need to be willing to

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<v Speaker 2>spend not this window, because this window's kind of tough

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<v Speaker 2>because you're not going to potentially get your exact targets,

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<v Speaker 2>but you still can. I think, I think, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>in the next two transfer windows, they need to be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to spend anywhere from twelve to eighteen million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>on players.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, and just real quick to your point about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they can do it this window. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't pretend to know my elbow for my rear end

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<v Speaker 1>about primary transfer summer window, who's available, who's not. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you go off of past, you know, just player signings.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year with a primary transfer window, they didn't do much.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was the summer transfer window where they bring

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<v Speaker 1>in Dom.

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<v Speaker 2>They sold on just to they sold.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre, so they bring in Diego, Dom and Lachlan.

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<v Speaker 2>Your god.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I'm not saying high five for bringing in

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<v Speaker 1>players that aren't very good, but they did make more

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<v Speaker 1>signings in the summer last year than they did in

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<v Speaker 1>the primary last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Bait correct, they did, And it seems like last year

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<v Speaker 2>they had their ducks in a row in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>understanding that a potentially big offer, one that they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>turn down was coming for Andres, which it did, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they went out and signed players. But Diogo, Lachlan

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<v Speaker 2>and Dom probably cost a total of like four point

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<v Speaker 2>five million dollars between three players, five million, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>When did they bring in Alex? Was Alex a primary

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<v Speaker 1>transfer window or was he a summer transfer window?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I think he was before the start of last season.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the start of last season, Okay, because I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good sign and I think Alex has

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<v Speaker 1>been Yeah, but you're not wrong. We need to write

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<v Speaker 1>your game all season long. Christopher Camaradi c K. Did

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<v Speaker 1>anyone ever call you Christopher? I mean that's your proper name, correct, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>On my birth certificate. I'm sometime parents. No, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>always been Chris or Ck. It's weird, okay, but weirdly

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<v Speaker 2>I choose to go by Christopher on my byline.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, and I think at one

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<v Speaker 1>point I tried to take credit for Ck. But did

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<v Speaker 1>you say who initially came up with the K?

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<v Speaker 2>That's been going on since I was ten years old

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<v Speaker 2>because I used to think it was cool that Calvin

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<v Speaker 2>Klein had jeans.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind of cool. It's kind of cool, back

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<v Speaker 1>to the future style. I'm not going to complain Alvin

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<v Speaker 1>kleins right back in the day. Shout out Michael J. Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Chris, you were in uh midtown Manhattan not

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<v Speaker 1>too long ago for the Athletic College Football Annual Meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Any grand takeaways you'd like to share with our I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape at college football right now is wild. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>CBS is reporting that the SEC is leaving the NCAA

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty nine. You can't just do that. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of things that have to take place,

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about the new CFP format where it's clearly the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC and the Big ten calling all the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can complain about it all you want. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the landscape of the thing. So what were some

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<v Speaker 1>of the college football stories topics fantied about by some

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<v Speaker 1>of the heaviest hitters in college football media.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly that it's beyond guard be prepared for rampant change

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<v Speaker 2>once again, and ironically enough, just within the last six

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<v Speaker 2>days since I've been home, the SEC meetings have taken

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<v Speaker 2>place in Greg Sankie and folks are unhappy with the

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<v Speaker 2>state of college athletics apparently, and they can throw their

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<v Speaker 2>weight around because they want to and because they can.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the seeding is officially changed that I think that

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<v Speaker 2>happened like two days after I got home, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is ultimately the right decision to do away with

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<v Speaker 2>those you know, bloated higher seeds. But I think what

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<v Speaker 2>I would say would be that you just have to

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<v Speaker 2>be prepared for a tremendous amount of change and be

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<v Speaker 2>prepared to ride the coattails of the powers that be.

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<v Speaker 2>And those powers that be are the two heavy hitters

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<v Speaker 2>that you mentioned, the SEC and the Big Ten. And listen,

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<v Speaker 2>things changed all the time. I mean, once upon a

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<v Speaker 2>time people were mad that the NBA had a best

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<v Speaker 2>of five series in the first round, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to compare that to the amount of teams

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<v Speaker 2>in the college football playoff. But things change, man, Like

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<v Speaker 2>we Major League Baseball used to have I think one

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<v Speaker 2>wild card team and that was it. Things changed. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be as it always was, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good thing. I mean, thank god,

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<v Speaker 2>we're no longer dealing with that computer system known as

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<v Speaker 2>the BCS, like, I think a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 2>just operating either publicly or privately, in fear that they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be left behind when the dust settles. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't personally, I don't think it's going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to that level now. It can now if CBS's report

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<v Speaker 2>is correct that the SEC is going to go rogue

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<v Speaker 2>and call its own shots in four years, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have to tackle that beast when they when they

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<v Speaker 2>cross that bridge. But I just think it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody to remain in lockstep because that's where all

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<v Speaker 2>the money is.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ross Dellinger, who does a really good job for Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 1>and also Matt Brown front of the show Extra Points,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of read what those two write and followed

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<v Speaker 1>them as a north star when it comes to some

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<v Speaker 1>of the legislation in place. Tennessee passed a law without

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<v Speaker 1>not have to adhere to the House v NCAA settlement

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<v Speaker 1>guidelines like you're exempt. And then the p four Conferences

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<v Speaker 1>drafted a contract that said, no, actually you're not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to follow your state law if you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of our lunch table. The Trump White House came

421
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<v Speaker 1>up with a College Football Commission that they were going

422
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<v Speaker 1>to solve everything. The White House was like, you're not

423
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<v Speaker 1>doing that. So now that's on pause, kind of like

424
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<v Speaker 1>the tariffs, Like here are the tariffs. Wait, no, the

425
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<v Speaker 1>tariffs are not that. No they are. Now we're going

426
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<v Speaker 1>to roll this back.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Nick Saban was supposed to be the face of it,

428
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<v Speaker 2>and right even he was like, I don't know what you're.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Talking about, right exactly, So there was a conversation going

430
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<v Speaker 1>on that the White House was going to get involved.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Now that's not happening because that's kind of the deal

432
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<v Speaker 1>walking everything back. But when it comes to the p

433
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<v Speaker 1>four Conferences and their desire to make sure that all

434
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<v Speaker 1>of their member institutions do follow whatever the House VNCAA

435
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<v Speaker 1>settlement says versus the state passing laws saying that you

436
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<v Speaker 1>do not have to do that, how do we traverse

437
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<v Speaker 1>out like who's rights? Like, ultimately, if you're Vanderbilt, if

438
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<v Speaker 1>you're the University of Tennessee and you have legislation in

439
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<v Speaker 1>place from your state leaders saying you don't have to

440
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<v Speaker 1>follow any of that. But then there's the Four Conferences

441
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<v Speaker 1>drafting the contract to say, if you want to be

442
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<v Speaker 1>part of us. You have to sign this, and you

443
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<v Speaker 1>do have to follow it. All of this feels like

444
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<v Speaker 1>we're just in for more legislation and we're in for

445
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<v Speaker 1>more legal battles, and the lawyers are the ones that

446
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<v Speaker 1>ultimately are going to be the winners.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Correct, You're going to be dealing with things that are

448
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<v Speaker 2>pseudo passed tied up in court, you know, file motions

449
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<v Speaker 2>and junctions and all of these almost went there, all

450
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<v Speaker 2>of these court legal mumbo jumbo jargons that everyone has

451
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<v Speaker 2>had to either relearn or learn for the first time again.

452
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<v Speaker 2>There will be loopholes, I mean, don't forget that. Like,

453
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<v Speaker 2>just as recently as March Madness, the state of West

454
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<v Speaker 2>Virginia was threatening to was threatening to sue the NC

455
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<v Speaker 2>Double A because West Virginia was left out of the

456
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<v Speaker 2>ncuble A tournament. Like, I think a lot of it

457
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<v Speaker 2>is grandstanding. I think a lot of it is is

458
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<v Speaker 2>going to be filled with ways around these motions and

459
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<v Speaker 2>these bylaws and these laws. I think ultimately it will

460
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<v Speaker 2>boil down to games won't be disrupted. I don't roster

461
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<v Speaker 2>construction will be altered all that significantly until that day comes.

462
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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe maybe Tennessee and Vandy do get a

463
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<v Speaker 2>leg up significantly. I don't necessarily see that being the case,

464
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<v Speaker 2>because I think it's I think at the end of

465
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<v Speaker 2>the day, you're likely to be more emboldened to side

466
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<v Speaker 2>with your governing conference body as opposed to some state

467
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<v Speaker 2>legislators that you don't really know, but it could be wrong.

468
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<v Speaker 2>So it is, we've approached it's silly season without a doubt,

469
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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's in my opinion, is kind of bloviating.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and also Chris where I've kind of landed, and look,

471
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this to be true, and maybe we

472
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<v Speaker 1>need congressional involvement, Maybe we need the highest office of

473
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<v Speaker 1>the land to try to get involved here. And I

474
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<v Speaker 1>guess that was the idea before everybody else. I guess

475
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<v Speaker 1>Cody Campbell, the Texas Tech booster, was involved in addition

476
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<v Speaker 1>to sab and as you reference, when Campbell was announced

477
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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who was going to kind of co chair

478
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<v Speaker 1>the thing, a lot of people pump the brakes, like, wait,

479
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<v Speaker 1>we don't know that we want this dude involved because

480
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<v Speaker 1>conflict of interest with Texas Tech and then the White

481
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<v Speaker 1>House that surrounds Donald Trump. They basically said, we cannot

482
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<v Speaker 1>get involved with this, and that's why they paused it.

483
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<v Speaker 1>So maybe because it is so a convoluted and complex

484
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<v Speaker 1>we do need the highest office of the land to

485
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<v Speaker 1>get involved to just have some sort of final solution.

486
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<v Speaker 1>But where I've kind of landed is that I don't

487
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<v Speaker 1>see a solution on the horizon. I don't see the

488
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<v Speaker 1>dust settling anytime soon, like maybe in four or five years.

489
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<v Speaker 1>But it feels like we have entered and are still

490
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<v Speaker 1>in and will remain in this space of ambiguity with

491
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<v Speaker 1>the sport, and you just kind of have to deal

492
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<v Speaker 1>with it day by day and year by year, and

493
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 1>the chaos will continue.

494
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you basically took the words out of the mouth man,

495
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<v Speaker 2>like this is until there is a hard and fast

496
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<v Speaker 2>rule book, until there is ways, until there are ways

497
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<v Speaker 2>to punish people or you know, mistakes or missteps or misgivings,

498
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:06.400
<v Speaker 2>like people are just going to be able to operate

499
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.839
<v Speaker 2>the way they want to because there is no governing body.

500
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's necessarily something that needs to

501
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 2>be congressional or even you know, involved in involving the

502
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Speaker 2>executive branch of government, Like you just need to get

503
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>people to come together and agree on something, but everybody's

504
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 2>best interests are going to be served, and those are

505
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:32.480
<v Speaker 2>generally involving their own right. And it it sounds really

506
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<v Speaker 2>like depressing to say, but if you're speaking from like

507
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>a pure business perspective, it doesn't make sense to punt

508
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<v Speaker 2>on your best interests in it for the sake of

509
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.000
<v Speaker 2>other people. Well, and and the SEC and the Big

510
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.519
<v Speaker 2>especially the SEC can just basically flex its chest, right.

511
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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing that maybe people have either forgotten

512
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<v Speaker 1>or they never knew, is the ability to enforce rules

513
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.759
<v Speaker 1>was stripped from the NCAA. They were thrown out of

514
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<v Speaker 1>court like, hey, you're a serial antitrust violator, and also

515
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<v Speaker 1>you're no longer able to even enforce the rules that

516
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<v Speaker 1>you have in place. So when you hear an announcement

517
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<v Speaker 1>like the SEC leaving the NCAA, and look it's twenty

518
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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, that's four years down the line, none of

519
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 1>that is surprising, Like I feel like that's where we've

520
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<v Speaker 1>been going all along. But as we continue to traverse

521
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<v Speaker 1>into this new space, the chasm that exists between the

522
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<v Speaker 1>SEC and the Big ten and even the Big twelve

523
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<v Speaker 1>and the ACC continues to widen because the SEC and

524
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<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten. They have the cards, they have the

525
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>ace in the hole, and we can complain about it

526
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<v Speaker 1>as a Big twelve market about what's fair or what's

527
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>not fair. But this has turned into a game of leverage.

528
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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's clear that certainly the SEC probably

529
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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, but the Big Ten alongside of them,

530
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 1>they are holding the cards. And Brett Yormar can negotiate

531
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<v Speaker 1>all he wants, but if you want to be part

532
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of wherever they're going, you're probably just gonna have to

533
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<v Speaker 1>follow whatever they say. Is that fair?

534
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you mentioned Britt you are. It's going to

535
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<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see what he says during the Big

536
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<v Speaker 2>twelve meetings this week, because these conferences never lack for

537
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>these official, unofficial meetings. The SEC had theirs, Big Ten

538
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 2>had theirs. Now it's the Big twelve s turn. He'll

539
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<v Speaker 2>be I'm sure he'll be asked ad nauseum about all

540
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff. But we live in a capitalistic society,

541
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and whoever gets I mean, you know, the rule man,

542
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the man with the gold makes the rules number one

543
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>rule of the drive. So the SEC, the Big Ten

544
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>get the biggest amount of dollars because they get the

545
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 2>most eyeballs and the media contracts are the fattest for

546
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>them because most people watch them. And it is it

547
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>is an interesting kind of dichotomy if you think about

548
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>like professional sports compared to college sports. Professional sports, for

549
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 2>the most part, are always driven by really high profile

550
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 2>urban markets. College is like basically the complete opposite. Like

551
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>how is it that a place like as you know,

552
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<v Speaker 2>remote as Tuscaloosa, you know, or Starkville can play a

553
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<v Speaker 2>role and you know, these multi billion dollar media rights deals.

554
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It's because people will watch them, and people will you know,

555
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 2>at the at the end of the day, pay more

556
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<v Speaker 2>attention to them because they have more history, more success,

557
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 2>And that is the reality of the situation. And you

558
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>mentioned the chasm, Like the Big twelve just doesn't have

559
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<v Speaker 2>any established you know, Goliath. They have a bunch of

560
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe it's a little low hanging fruit to say,

561
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of David's, but like they don't have anybody

562
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be like they have Deon Sanders. But

563
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<v Speaker 2>other than that, like is is anybody busting down the

564
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>door to watch Arizona State? And Kenny Dillingham, Is anybody

565
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 2>busting down the door to watch Kyle Whittingham? And Utah.

566
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean by use a little unique in that, and like,

567
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, they have the historic contract with ESPN and

568
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 2>you know the very big, you know, Mormon population worldwide,

569
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>but it's it's it's who you're marketing, and these other

570
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 2>conferences just have such more, They have so much more

571
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<v Speaker 2>at their disposal compared to anyone else.

572
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<v Speaker 1>Did the PAC twelve and the ACC once upon a

573
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>time announce like an alliance and I remember.

574
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>That, correct that too?

575
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it lasted like two weeks, so yeah, that's right.

576
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 1>And the press release like we are committed moving and no, no.

577
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 2>You're not.

578
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Y it's still so wild. I was watching Pacers Nicks

579
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>last night and they reference at Benedict Matheren was the

580
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>PAC twelve Player of the Year, and I just started thinking,

581
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>like when he was at Arizona.

582
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just.

583
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<v Speaker 1>Started thinking, in ten or fifteen years, when you bring

584
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 1>up the PAC twelve, the youngs are gonna be like,

585
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>what the hell is the PAC twelve.

586
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, the PAC twelve will be wazoo Oregon State, you know,

587
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.799
<v Speaker 2>some of these new guys, But like.

588
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>But like what it was the real yeah, like a

589
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>home for West Coast football and it doesn't even exist.

590
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<v Speaker 1>If your Brett or Mark, are you considering engaging with

591
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>the ACC about potentially trying to put something together there

592
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>to put it in tendency in place in the event

593
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.359
<v Speaker 1>that the SEC and the Big ten say we are

594
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>taking our ball and we are going home and you're

595
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to come with us, because that appears to

596
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<v Speaker 1>be on the table.

597
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<v Speaker 2>Chris, I think you would need two member institutions who

598
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<v Speaker 2>are very prickly at their own conference in the moment,

599
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>and Clemson in Florida State to be willing to be

600
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.839
<v Speaker 2>front facing and forward and being like, yes, we're all

601
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 2>for this, because those are two institutions who have recently,

602
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>either publicly or privately threatened that they may want to

603
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 2>no longer be part of the ACC. So the heaviest

604
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>hitters have the most sway, and I think you can

605
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>make easily make an argument that between the Big twelve

606
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and the ACC, Clemson in Florida State and even Miami

607
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 2>would probably be third. And like the Big the Big

608
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>twelve just doesn't really have anybody, So I think it

609
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.519
<v Speaker 2>would make sense, but it would be it would be

610
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<v Speaker 2>fascinating to talk to these guys, just like, why don't

611
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 2>you guys all just like sit down, you know, in

612
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>a room, like just sort it out, come to it,

613
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>come sort of come to some sort of common ground.

614
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>But egos are real, you know. The amount of money

615
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 2>on the table is very real. It just seems like

616
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and and maybe I'm a maybe I'm an optimist beneath

617
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>this endless pile.

618
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Of the news. Christopher camrodnie optimist.

619
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<v Speaker 2>It seems like it. It seems like it's doable. Am

620
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 2>I I mean? Am I am I being a little naive?

621
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, here's where I land on that dynamic.

622
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<v Speaker 1>Negotiations are about one thing always power, no dang it. Leverage. Okay, okay,

623
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<v Speaker 1>so write this down, kids, Take out the pen. Okay.

624
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Negotiations are about one thing. It's leverage.

625
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<v Speaker 2>You think kids have pens. Take out the iPad.

626
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<v Speaker 1>Take out the iPad. Type this in snapchat it or

627
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<v Speaker 1>TikTok it.

628
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

629
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Negotiations are about leverage. They just are. And if it's

630
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>your own life, and if it's your own job, and

631
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 1>if you want to go to your boss and negotiate

632
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a new compensation package, you better have tangible data about

633
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 1>the value you provide your company, or you better have

634
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.039
<v Speaker 1>a job offer that you can say, Okay, I'm getting

635
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>paid twenty five percent more over here. If you want

636
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to keep me, you have to match that. So negotiations

637
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>about leverage, and the leverage resides with the SEC and

638
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.679
<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten. It just does so when it comes

639
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to their inability to land in a space where an

640
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>agreement could be found, it's the ACC and the Big

641
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>twelve complaining about the concessions they're not getting from the

642
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>SEC and the Big Ten. But it's the SEC and

643
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten saying we don't need to give you

644
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 1>these concessions because we have the leverage. So where's the

645
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>middle ground? Ultimately, and right now, the one example we

646
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 1>do have that's tangible is the expanded sixteen T and

647
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>CFP for next year twenty twenty six, the next cycle,

648
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>which as we know right now, the proposal is four

649
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>auto bids for the SEC and the Big Ten, two

650
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>auto bids for the Big twelve in the ACC, one

651
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 1>auto bid for the Group of six now shout out

652
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Newpac twelve, and then three at large bids. The reports

653
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>are the Big twelve and the ACC aren't happy with

654
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.159
<v Speaker 1>that because of the auto bids that the SEC and

655
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten are receiving but if you're the Big

656
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 1>twelve in the ACC, I think you have to understand

657
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the leverage lies with them, and you might just have

658
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 1>to agree to that. Say you get half the auto bids,

659
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll take two. We just want to sit at your

660
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>lunch table.

661
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's very accurate and I think that's fair.

662
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I think until the Big twelve finds a way to

663
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 2>establish itself with the powers that be, they don't have

664
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 2>any leverage. That's great, it's good learning lesson leverage.

665
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 1>There we go.

666
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I have a question how much does the rise of

667
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 2>SEC basketball add to their already deep war chests? Ye,

668
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 2>because like it used to be, I mean, it used

669
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 2>to be the AC, the Big twelve, historically Big East,

670
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, rest in peace. But now it's like I

671
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 2>think the SEC had the most amount of tournament teams

672
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 2>and they.

673
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Have a conference in college basketballs.

674
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>So I wonder, as you know, a big college troops guy, indeed,

675
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>how much does that add to their already strengthened war chest.

676
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't and you know this, I don't think it

677
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>adds much to it, only because even though college basketball

678
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>is viable due to March Madness, it's still a drop

679
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 1>in the bucket compared to college football. I mean, it

680
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 1>can't hurt it. But it's the reason why Brett yor

681
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Mark was interested in adding Yukon to the Big twelve.

682
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Yukon football is pathetic, but Yukon basketball is one of

683
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the top two or three blue bloods in the country.

684
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>They are an ad a beneficial, you know, tangible asset

685
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>to your conference because of their basketball team, not their

686
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>football program. But there are I mean, Duke Carolina football

687
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>is better than it used to be, but there are

688
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 1>only a handful of basketball front facing programs that really

689
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>makes sense that would help your conference. You want it

690
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 1>to be attached to a excellent football team. It's why

691
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Brian Santiago, when he was introduced as the BYU athletic director,

692
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>was very front facing that football drives us, even though

693
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 1>their economic investment is in their basketball program. Right, So, look,

694
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 1>BYU basketball is going to be a top five team

695
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>this year. AJ Debonca right away probably will be the

696
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 1>best player that's ever played in our state. Do you

697
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>respect to Van Horne and Andre and everybody else like

698
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>AJ is different. But if they don't invest with Kilani

699
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and his group the way they've invested with Kevin and

700
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>his group. Yeah, it's awesome that you have a great

701
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 1>basketball program, But do you want to be Yukon? No,

702
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>you want to be Bama. You want to be Florida.

703
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>You just won the national championship.

704
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's interesting too because you have kind of

705
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>a clean slate. You have an opportunity to take hold

706
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of this geographical footprint where currently it's kind of Oregon

707
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and everybody else like SC paying Lincoln Riley King's ransom

708
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.679
<v Speaker 2>clearly isn't worked out. Washington has to figure out, you know,

709
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 2>who they are after you know, losing Kalin to Boor.

710
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 2>But like, the possibilities are out there, you can establish

711
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 2>yourself as a geographical giant. Now it's difficult because you

712
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>have to be able to win those recruiting battles out west,

713
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and you have to stave off all of these guys

714
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 2>in the SEC and Big Ten who are coming for

715
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>the players in your state. But it is a great

716
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 2>point that like the likes of these programs in the

717
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve, have the opportunity to seize the moment. Carpe

718
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>DM Indeed, fortune favors the ball shout out JP does.

719
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if anybody is good enough or

720
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>if the pockets are deep enough to do it.

721
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Since you brought up best c the reports are sc

722
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame is going away. It's not done very bad.

723
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>So look b yu Utah will be preserved because they're

724
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>conference buds. Otherwise we were already in a space where

725
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>it went away incrementally and could have gone away entirely

726
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>if they didn't land in the same conference. College football,

727
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 1>to me, one of the things that does separate it

728
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 1>from the NFL is rivalries. We have some good NFL rivalries,

729
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 1>but there's something different about college football rivalries. Is it

730
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>time to change that paradigm?

731
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Though?

732
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Is it time to get rid of any romantic idea

733
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of what college football is based off of how rapidly

734
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it's all changed, Because if you're Lincoln Riley, like, why

735
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 1>would you schedule that game if it's going to get

736
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>in the way of you winning your conference and maybe

737
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 1>making the expanded to I get the counterpoint, right.

738
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But this goes back to the moving target of

739
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.960
<v Speaker 2>change we talked about, like, how I guess the auto

740
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>If this theoretical sixteen team tournament exists, then your autobids

741
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 2>or your autobids it and maybe your strength of schedule

742
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 2>isn't getting measured the way it historically has and all

743
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>these things. But I'm I mean, like there's a reason

744
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>why locally that that game is awesome every year, Like

745
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 2>last year, on paper, that game had no reason being

746
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>as good as it was it was. And we've talked

747
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 2>about this over and over for the last twenty years.

748
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>The one game that my wife still remembers and still

749
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>talks about is the kick six with Auburn and Alabama.

750
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Like it's the only time I've seen her like actually

751
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>freak out during a sporting event watching watching that guy

752
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 2>return that that attempted field goal, Like if that's if

753
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 2>that's Auburn and Vandy, if it's Auburn and Iowa State,

754
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>does it resonate Now?

755
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>No, it does not.

756
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean there and I think, honestly, the rivalries are

757
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 2>why will even bring in the casuals. They will bring

758
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.679
<v Speaker 2>in the likes of you and I We will probably

759
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 2>if we're free, we'll tune in for the Iron Bowl

760
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Catch quarter. Sure, I'm not really that intrigued by the

761
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 2>idea of SC and whoever you know SC in Texas,

762
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>A and M. I mean, that's that's too good of

763
00:40:58.760 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 2>an example.

764
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Now I understand the honest and the point. One more

765
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.320
<v Speaker 1>thing here, then we'll set you loose. Duke is looking

766
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.679
<v Speaker 1>at me. I gotta go a bathroom, and I am

767
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 1>one dog dump in the studio away from never being

768
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 1>allowed to bring him in again. So we're gonna get

769
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Duke outside, can go to the bathroom. You always hear this, Moniker,

770
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.079
<v Speaker 1>and I use it too, but I think it's different

771
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>when you look at what is transpired in college football

772
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and what could transpire in football, you always hear the

773
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 1>same thing. Well, regardless of all the chaos, Saturdays in

774
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the fall still feel like Saturday's in the fall. They

775
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>don't if you're an Oregon State fan, they don't. If

776
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>you're a Washington State fan, they don't. If you're one

777
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of these teams that have been left behind. And if

778
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>we continue to move into a space where you know,

779
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 1>it's simply capitalism, economic investment, and anyone who's in that

780
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>group don't, they don't need to make concessions for anybody else.

781
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 1>And we'll just use the sec in the Big ten.

782
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>And if they decide that they're gonna go do their

783
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>thing and period, end of story, that's it. There will

784
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>be more schools where Saturday's in the fall no longer

785
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>longer feel like Saturdays in the fall. You can make

786
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 1>an argument that for Utah fans that for a decade

787
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 1>plus welcomed in Oregon and USC and UCLA and the

788
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Big Pac twelve brands, and suddenly that's gone, and due respect,

789
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>it's now Iowa State and k State and just and

790
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Baylor and brand like good solid programs, but not the

791
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>brands that were accustomed. You can make an argument it's

792
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Saturdays in the fall around here don't feel like Saturdays

793
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>in the fall like they did a couple of years ago.

794
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 1>And they don't for Washington State, they don't for Oregon State.

795
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Where I think this sport could find itself in peril

796
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>is if Saturday's in the fall no longer feel like

797
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Saturdays in the fall for the majority of college football

798
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>fan bases, and they just feel like it for the

799
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>SEC in the Big.

800
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Ten, Saturdays in the fall need to force parents to

801
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 2>make their kids miss their soccer games for games, they

802
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 2>need to make them miss scheduled events because of the

803
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>importance of what it means, either in person at the

804
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>tailgate in the stadium or even on the twa yep.

805
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 2>After the news broke that the PAC twelve was dissolving,

806
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I was actually sent if you remember this, I went

807
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 2>and Thanksgiving weekend, I went to both the Civil War

808
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and the Apple Cup in twenty four hours and talking

809
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 2>to those fans that have been left behind. It is

810
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.440
<v Speaker 2>a stark reminder that people just because they might have,

811
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, gone to a different school, they might have

812
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>different colors, their diploma might might say something different that

813
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't negate you know, their ability to you know, have

814
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 2>the money that they invest in their alma maters or

815
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the schools that they support, have it potentially payoff. And

816
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you're right, like we are rapidly trending towards a world

817
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 2>which we leave people in schools behind, and I don't

818
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>think we can afford to do that.

819
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Great to see him, my man, get Duke outside.

820
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I will.

821
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>And then you're in charge of the flyer for Fox's birthday.

822
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 1>I want that you got twenty four hours.

823
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I got you