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<v Speaker 3>Oh hi hi, So it's still that bobby pin under

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<v Speaker 3>the couch cushion. It's Ali Ward. We're back with part

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<v Speaker 3>two of Laryngology. So if you are tuning in without

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<v Speaker 3>part one, I don't know what to tell you, go

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<v Speaker 3>to part one and then we'll see you in like

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<v Speaker 3>an hour for this follow up featuring wall the wall

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<v Speaker 3>questions from folks supporting the show at petrion dot com

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<v Speaker 3>left the review. Been listening since twenty nineteen and it's

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<v Speaker 3>still my favorite podcast. You've been with me through college

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<v Speaker 3>pandemic and now through every relocation and long distance flight.

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<v Speaker 3>Honored to be jammed in your ears. Thank you Kate

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<v Speaker 3>ted Mon for that. Okay, let's move on Part two.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you to everyone also who let me know well

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<v Speaker 3>some docs may say like eh to the HPV vaccine

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<v Speaker 3>after the age of twenty six, you can still request

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<v Speaker 3>covered by insurance much later in life than that. If

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<v Speaker 3>you want so, talk to your doctor you totally have

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<v Speaker 3>my blessing. Also, those beats were made by Jason Scartmalia,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for making those. That was amazing. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>get yourself a cup of warm tapwater and let's hear

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<v Speaker 3>your questions as I say them with my mouth. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>cover whistle tones, Mariah, damage to your voice box, the

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<v Speaker 3>lowest voices, throat singing, perfect pitch stress and voice cracks,

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<v Speaker 3>and more with surgeon MD Icon and your new favorite laryngologist,

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Ronda Alexander. Okay, let's start your questions with Gigi

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<v Speaker 3>and first time question asker Chris Lipford's inquiries about, in

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<v Speaker 3>Chris's words, what the heck is going on when people

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<v Speaker 3>sing in the whistle register. I need to know everything,

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<v Speaker 3>please and thanks? Okay, I have these on my phone

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<v Speaker 3>so many. Eric Kaye wants to know. Is it possible

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<v Speaker 3>to make a sound outside of the human hearing range?

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<v Speaker 3>Would we know? I don't know. I don't know. Do

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<v Speaker 4>So we could detect that with specialized audio equipment. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think we've ever tried.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'll look it up. Maybe ultrasonic, who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I checked into this and according to one

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<v Speaker 3>BBC report, we can hear frequencies up to twenty killa hurts,

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<v Speaker 3>but most human beings cannot shriek higher than three killer

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<v Speaker 3>hurts unless you're Mariah Carey singing her nineteen ninety one

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<v Speaker 3>ear splitting single emotions so good. So that was from

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen ninety one VMA's which experts say was her

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<v Speaker 3>highest recorded note at a G sharp seven I think,

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<v Speaker 3>which would be three point three killer hertz? Is that

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<v Speaker 3>like dolphin range? Almost? I checked in, and those marine

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<v Speaker 3>mammal friends of ours can whistle at three point five

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<v Speaker 3>to ten killer herts. And actually, in looking that range up,

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<v Speaker 3>I stumbled across an absolute VENN diagram of this aside,

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<v Speaker 3>which was a twenty twenty one TikTok of Mariah in

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<v Speaker 3>the ocean singing a whistle tone to a dolphin who

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<v Speaker 3>seems to react with some kind of surprise maybe glee.

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't anthropomorphize, but speaking dolphin Mariah and setting world records.

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<v Speaker 3>But then along came Georgia Brown, which is a stage

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<v Speaker 3>name for an Italian Brazilian singer who was able to

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<v Speaker 3>best Mariah and hit a G ten note. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna play it. If you have really sensitive ears, just

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<v Speaker 3>turn down your volume for a second or skip ahead

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen seconds because it is bonkers you've like, So that

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<v Speaker 3>would be around a five point five killhertz, like mid

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<v Speaker 3>dolphin range. So if you're carpooling with dolphins, they loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>But those are the highest of highs. There's got to

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<v Speaker 3>be a low there is, and its name is Tim.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim Storms, an American country crooner, can sing eight octaves

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<v Speaker 3>below the lowest piano key, making a sound that is

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<v Speaker 3>less than a single parts point one eighty nine parts

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<v Speaker 3>to be exact. So we can't even hear it, but

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<v Speaker 3>we can fuel the vibrations. And of course I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a recording of that because again we can't hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's an example of Tim's just casual, everyday, non

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<v Speaker 3>record breaking singing.

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<v Speaker 6>The low.

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<v Speaker 7>Room.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the top comments on that YouTube video is

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<v Speaker 3>thanks this dislodged my kidney stones. Now, of course, our

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<v Speaker 3>hearing can change over time, but what happens to our

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<v Speaker 3>voices over the whole course of our lives? So many

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<v Speaker 3>of you had this question, including Virginia Bruce, Hannah Lapham,

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<v Speaker 3>Lana Schuster, Celia Bell, Andrea Crane, Marriage Snowlander first time

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<v Speaker 3>question askers Laura Roser and Cocoon Soso and Courtney Kay

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to know are their strategies to prevent our voices

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<v Speaker 3>from aging?

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<v Speaker 4>So to reduce the impact of aging on the voice,

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<v Speaker 4>stay hydrated, take good care of your voice. Again those

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<v Speaker 4>three rules. No cell phone outdoors, no yelling, no whispering,

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<v Speaker 4>And if your voice is in trouble for more than

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<v Speaker 4>about ten days to two weeks, come see somebody who

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<v Speaker 4>can talk to you about options.

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<v Speaker 3>I need a doctor. I really love this question, Delaney,

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<v Speaker 3>jen A, Greg Wallach, Bennett Gerber, Jade Walker wanted to know,

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<v Speaker 3>in Jade's words, voice breaks, what are they? And Bennett

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<v Speaker 3>asked why does my voice still crack? And then also

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<v Speaker 3>jen A and Delaney want to know why does being

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<v Speaker 3>nervous make our voices shake? Like when you watch a

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<v Speaker 3>ted talk and you can tell someone's nervous a little warribly.

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<v Speaker 3>What's happening when our voice cracks?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So there's two different kinds of cracks that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>hearing in these questions. One is the crack that happens

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<v Speaker 4>when you haven't made the switch from your chest voice

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<v Speaker 4>to your head voice, or the falsetto So if you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to sing with full power at a note that's

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<v Speaker 4>outside of what your voicebox is physically able to do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be like it's gonna say no, gonna sit

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<v Speaker 4>down like an angry dog and say no. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>when you get the haha while you're trying to sing. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the effect that you see when someone's doing a public

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<v Speaker 4>speaking event, when they're having nerves that's coming from adrenaline

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<v Speaker 4>or epinephrin, that's coursing through the body. Because all of

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<v Speaker 4>our threats are now mental and psychological largely instead of physical,

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<v Speaker 4>our body perceives danger the same way. So there's no

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<v Speaker 4>difference between I'm about to be interviewed by Ali Ward

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm being chased by a tiger. Right, So your

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<v Speaker 4>body's nervous system again, that's sympathetic nervous system is like,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, gang, we're in danger.

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<v Speaker 8>Everybody get pumped.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 8>Kidneys, shut off, blood vessels to the to the outside parts.

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<v Speaker 3>Clamp down.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't want to bleed to death.

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<v Speaker 3>Heart.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's go to the big muscles in the in the

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<v Speaker 8>in the close part of the arm, and in the leg.

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<v Speaker 8>Because we're either gonna run or we're gonna kick a doubles, right,

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<v Speaker 8>And so that adrenaline feeling is going to make your

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<v Speaker 8>voice box just a little bit shakier because your breathing is.

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<v Speaker 3>More erratic, and that's the power.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go the lesson stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>And then is there anything a person can do?

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<v Speaker 4>What I did before you came was I sat still

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<v Speaker 4>and I did some breathing exercises to help myself settle in.

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<v Speaker 4>One of them is box breathing. I love this one

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<v Speaker 4>very much, where you pick the number and you count

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<v Speaker 4>in breath hold out, breath hold for whatever that number is.

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<v Speaker 4>So in the beginning I usually start with like a

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<v Speaker 4>three count, and then as I get more relaxed, I

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<v Speaker 4>can get to a five count because I can hold

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<v Speaker 4>my breath that long, and those breath holdings are going

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<v Speaker 4>to activate the balancing system, the power sympathetic system to

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<v Speaker 4>calm you down.

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<v Speaker 3>So deep breathing does work neurologically, it does. Yeah, It's

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<v Speaker 3>so funny because it's like, if you are freaking out

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, it seems so difficult to sit down

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<v Speaker 3>and have a deep breath even though you know it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to help. Yeah, same thing as like if you're depressed.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can get up and walk, it's probably gonna

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<v Speaker 3>make you feel better. Yeah, but you're like, it's the hardest.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the activation energy to do the thing is the

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<v Speaker 4>hardest part.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, activation energy, executive function anyone. So we have a

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<v Speaker 3>three part series on ADHD from February twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>with doctor Russell brand come again. Oh my god, what

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck? Russell brand is not his name. His name

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<v Speaker 3>is Russell Barkley. Russell Brandt is the British guy with

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<v Speaker 3>the hair that looks like it smells like knag Champa

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<v Speaker 3>who was married to Katie Perry. Not an evil version,

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<v Speaker 3>but just you know, Russell Barkley. I had to go

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<v Speaker 3>step out of the audio booth and look that up

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<v Speaker 3>on my phone. I've recently given up caffeine. Let's get

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<v Speaker 3>back to it, Like I was saying, we have a

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<v Speaker 3>three part series on ADHD from February twenty two for you,

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<v Speaker 3>and yes, I will link that in the show notes

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<v Speaker 3>to make it easier because I get it. I see you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm one of you. Speaking of patron, Jasmine Quassa asked,

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<v Speaker 3>why can I always tell the other person on the

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<v Speaker 3>line is also black like me? I know that race

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<v Speaker 3>is a construct with no biological basis, and that accents

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<v Speaker 3>and dialects are the things that can be reliably associated

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<v Speaker 3>with race. And I know that this is a sticky question,

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<v Speaker 3>they write, but is there something about ancestral origin that

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<v Speaker 3>can affect the quality of the voice, just like the

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<v Speaker 3>eye shape and hair textures and how they vary across

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<v Speaker 3>the planet. So I looked into this and I found

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<v Speaker 3>a few papers such as do African Americans really have

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<v Speaker 3>lower voices? Pitch? Gender and ethnicity in Memphis and another

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<v Speaker 3>one titled variation in global and intonational pitch settings among

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<v Speaker 3>Black and White speakers of Southern American English. Guests who

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<v Speaker 3>wrotem none other than twenty eighteen phonology guest doctor Nicole Holliday,

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<v Speaker 3>who has been on the show and whom we love so.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the points that she makes in her research

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<v Speaker 3>is that aave African American vernacular English sees more pitch variation.

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<v Speaker 3>And I texted doctor Alexander between the Part one of

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<v Speaker 3>the Part two episodes about this question, and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes we are tricked. These intonations and flavors in the

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<v Speaker 3>voice are learned, and often we put on the affectations

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<v Speaker 3>we think that the audience or other person will connect

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<v Speaker 3>to best. She continued, I've had at least three accents

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<v Speaker 3>throughout my life, but I've been the same person the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time. And she ended that with a heart emoji

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<v Speaker 3>the note of pitch being acquired or biological specs, OWL

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<v Speaker 3>and Tristan de Brunner asked about the sociology between fem

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<v Speaker 3>and mask voices, and Gabe Nuth said, sometimes someone speaks

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<v Speaker 3>and Alive said, also, mommy voice, is it really an

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<v Speaker 4>And overall the umbrella term for that is affectations, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the quote gay voice is about signaling in

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<v Speaker 4>grouping when you're with your people, right and to find

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<v Speaker 4>you're putting on or exaggerating the gay voice as people

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<v Speaker 4>do call it, that also signals this is who I am.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh, we just had that theahnose where that's an affectation.

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<v Speaker 4>The documentary exposed that wasn't her voice. She was up

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<v Speaker 4>like this. And then when you catch her aside question,

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<v Speaker 4>she would talk in her more natural voice. But there

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<v Speaker 4>are connotations of power vulnerability in group belonging, all of

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<v Speaker 4>which can be signaled with the voice, And so we're

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<v Speaker 4>all doing it. My voice that I'm talking with to

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<v Speaker 4>and so like, this is what I grew up hearing

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<v Speaker 4>as a woman's voice, and so when mine comes out

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<v Speaker 4>this way, that's fine. Now. Sometimes maybe if I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>You listen back, you're gonna have to hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like a range of your own pitch is also

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<v Speaker 4>so yeah, when I'm super excited, when my mets are

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<v Speaker 3>Pitch goes a higher. I get excited.

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<v Speaker 4>And when things are a little eh, yeah, maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 4>I might be down here, but that entire range is

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<v Speaker 4>natural for me. If it's taking a lot of work,

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't recommend it, because again, then you're putting too

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<v Speaker 4>much tension on the voice box. If you ever feel

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<v Speaker 4>What about baby talk?

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<v Speaker 3>When we see something cute, why does it goes up.

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<v Speaker 4>And is attached with the violence called cute aggression? Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>so that I think is more cultural, it's not physiological.

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<v Speaker 4>But gosh darn it if babies don't respond to those

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<v Speaker 4>high pitches, Gosh darn it if they don't love it,

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<v Speaker 3>And just a side note, we side noted about this

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<v Speaker 3>researchers have studied and dubbed cute aggression. And one hypothesis

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<v Speaker 3>is that the brain simply cannot deal with that much

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<v Speaker 3>positive stimulation at once and turn some of it into

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite, like a negative emotion, which for most people

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<v Speaker 3>ends up being aggression or screaming or squealing or slapping

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<v Speaker 3>themselves about the face. But what if you squeal in

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<v Speaker 3>the presence of a baby? Do they like it? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I asked the fourth mentioned called the Internet,

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<v Speaker 3>and it pointed me toward the twenty seventeen Current Biology

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<v Speaker 3>study titled mothers consistently alter their unique vocal fingerprints when

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<v Speaker 3>communicating with infants And yes, parents raise the pitch of

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<v Speaker 3>their voice around babies across so many cultures and languages.

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<v Speaker 3>Even monkeys do it, and scientists think that the exaggerated

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<v Speaker 3>speech patterns can maybe help babies pick up on communication faster.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also think that when we see something cute,

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<v Speaker 3>what happens is there's a variety of ghosts in the

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<v Speaker 3>room who also see the cute thing, and since they

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<v Speaker 3>can get away with a lot of weird shit, the

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<v Speaker 3>ghosts experience that cute aggression and then they try to

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<v Speaker 3>choke us, and then it compresses our resonators and our larynx,

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<v Speaker 3>making us squeal. And that theory isn't proven, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is correct. So patrons, Sedoni s and Maddy East wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to know if you're with child, why your voice might

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<v Speaker 3>sound different to you, And the reason is because it

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<v Speaker 3>free pass here, folks. So that's what's going on. Wacky huh, now,

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<v Speaker 3>Earl of gramblecan and Patron David wanted to know. In

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<v Speaker 3>David's words, am I correct that some health issues can

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<v Speaker 3>be diagnosed by speech? If so? Has that work, doctor Alexander?

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<v Speaker 4>That's how so there are signs that we can hear

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<v Speaker 4>in the voice. There is a certain category of neurologic

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<v Speaker 4>voice disorders that are attached to things that go throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the whole body. Among them includes like Parkinson's disease. The

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<v Speaker 4>Parkinson's voice tends to be very low in volume, so

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<v Speaker 4>very quiet and also a little bit garbled or jumbled

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<v Speaker 4>because they're not moving their lips and face as well.

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<v Speaker 4>They're resonators and articulators as well, so sometimes we can

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<v Speaker 4>get an inkling that way. There are some autoimmune diseases

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<v Speaker 4>or changes in the shape of the voicebox or even

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<v Speaker 4>narrow part of the breathing passage, so that'll give us

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<v Speaker 4>a hint. And then there are also some nerve diseases

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<v Speaker 4>of the voice box themselves that I can those of

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<v Speaker 4>us who are experienced with it, we can begin to

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<v Speaker 4>diagnose it just on the story and listening to the

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<v Speaker 4>person's voice, which is one of the tensions of having

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<v Speaker 4>a voice practice is the person's coming to me with

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<v Speaker 4>a voice problem or concern and then I ask them

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<v Speaker 4>to talk. And so they often will come with a

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<v Speaker 4>family member who wants to talk for them, and I

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<v Speaker 4>have to tell them. I know this is a loving

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<v Speaker 4>attempt to make this easier for them, but me hearing

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<v Speaker 4>their voice is a part of my diagnostic process. And

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<v Speaker 4>so as much as you can tell me your story,

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<v Speaker 4>and when you cannot anymore, will go to your reliable,

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<v Speaker 4>but when they can't tell their own story, we will

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely come to you. And I will come to you

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<v Speaker 4>for any details you think they missed, because the sick

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<v Speaker 4>we have to hear the voice to diagnose the voice.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's move on to something more critical, like when

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<v Speaker 3>affectation and that is something our brain is doing.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's going to be articulators. Again, the way that

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<v Speaker 4>our mouth, throat, lips, tongue, teeth. Accents are particular lips, tongue, teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>And it has to do with the fact that when

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<v Speaker 4>you're young and learning language, your primary language or languages

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<v Speaker 4>that you get when you're a kid, train how your mouth, lips, tongue,

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<v Speaker 4>and teeth move when you're making language. And so if

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<v Speaker 4>there are some sounds that if you never practiced doing them,

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard for you to do it when you're an adult.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure, so many folks I will listen to

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<v Speaker 3>when you are losing your voice? Where does it go?

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel asked if it's normal to be hoarse after shouting

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<v Speaker 3>or cheering at events. I recently went to Disneyland and

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. So that's right, young lady. So when you

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<v Speaker 4>lose your voice, it is because we have lost the

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<v Speaker 4>ability for the vocal folds to do their vibration, and

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<v Speaker 4>that can happen from swelling or from new stiffness, something

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<v Speaker 4>like a blood vessel breaking. So shouting in particular, can

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<v Speaker 4>break and when well, let's talk about the structure of

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<v Speaker 4>the vocal cords. So they've got a lining what we

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<v Speaker 4>layer is what lets the skin, the epithelium, the mucosa,

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<v Speaker 4>the lining vibrate to make the sound. While the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of the vocal fold is changing positions to breathe and speak.

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<v Speaker 4>This very thin vibration is what's really making the sound.

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<v Speaker 4>And so if that gets stiffened by swelling or an

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<v Speaker 4>of the voice. When the vibration stops, then you get

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<v Speaker 4>no sound or reduced sound, or reduce reliability of this

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<v Speaker 4>because they can't do their normal work. So oftentimes I'll

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<v Speaker 4>think about like if you buy a very expensive violin

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<v Speaker 4>when we've got a lot of mucus down there, or

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<v Speaker 3>there that just need a minute?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So this is one of the few times that

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<v Speaker 4>I do encourage vocal rests when we have a broken

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<v Speaker 4>blood vessel, which is you have to just let that,

422
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<v Speaker 4>you have to ride that out, write it out. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's real vocal rest, which is like you talk if

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<v Speaker 4>it's an emergency, like a kid's going to get hit

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<v Speaker 4>by a car, or someone's going to get burned by fire,

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<v Speaker 4>and for almost everything else, you want to be silent.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, what about crying? Patron Delaney asked, when you're about

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<v Speaker 3>to cry, why does talking we're trying to talk open

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<v Speaker 3>the floodgates. And other patrons with this question included our

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<v Speaker 3>emotionally honest friends Jen, a snarky mermaid multi nine eighty

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<v Speaker 3>seven Connie E Karringer, Hirfna and the wonderful Greg Wallach,

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<v Speaker 3>who asked about being for klemped. Does crying mess up

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<v Speaker 3>our vocal cords?

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<v Speaker 4>So crying itself?

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<v Speaker 7>Know?

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<v Speaker 4>The sobbing though, sob because the sobbing is a mode

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<v Speaker 4>of modified cough, and so it's yeah, and so it's

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<v Speaker 4>doing the same trauma to the voice box. So cry quietly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, not that we've cried it all the

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of months, not at all, or even today totally.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been out great three years, great, great couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been doing great. Yeah. What about did I ask

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<v Speaker 3>you about burping already? No? Patrons said Shiragane wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>know why do burps sound the way they do? It

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<v Speaker 3>would be nicer to have more of a pleasant sound

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<v Speaker 3>for off gassing. That last part of the question was

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<v Speaker 3>more of a comment, but I hear you, is burping

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<v Speaker 3>just coming from a completely different passageway or why are

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<v Speaker 3>burps so guttural?

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<v Speaker 4>So burping is coming from the esophagus and stomach, So

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<v Speaker 4>that's air that you shouldn't have swallowed in the first place,

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<v Speaker 4>making its way out before it becomes a guess Uese

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<v Speaker 4>emission from blue yes, and so it's socially unacceptable, but

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<v Speaker 4>better for you than if it makes its way all

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<v Speaker 4>the way through and you can get lots of discomfort

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<v Speaker 4>in the intestines. And so it's just that air getting

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<v Speaker 4>organized and sending itself back up.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's bypassing the larynx completely because it's a different tube.

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<v Speaker 4>So they are neighbors and they share a foyer.

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<v Speaker 8>The foyer that they.

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<v Speaker 4>Share is the mouth and the upper part of the throat,

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<v Speaker 4>what we call the pharynx, and then they divide into

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<v Speaker 4>the trachea, which is underneath the larynx, and the esophagus,

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<v Speaker 4>which is for food stuffs and liquids.

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<v Speaker 3>How loud can someone burp? It's a good question that

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<v Speaker 3>no one needs to know. But one hundred and twelve

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<v Speaker 3>decibels that's the world record, which is about as loud

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<v Speaker 3>as a rock concert. And I listened to a recording

469
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<v Speaker 3>of that and it made me involuntarily ritch, So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not putting it in. But speaking of which, how does

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<v Speaker 3>acid reflux mess up your larynx exactly? Well, your beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>lips are the doorway to the alimentary canal, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a long, fleshy pool noodle tube that's made up of

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<v Speaker 3>your esophagus and your stomach. You're intestines, your colon, and

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<v Speaker 3>finally your beautiful little butthole, which is only one sphincter

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<v Speaker 3>along that whole journey. Did you hear in your mouth

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<v Speaker 3>as a sphincter and you have them all the way

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<v Speaker 3>down like one way doors you have in aesoftgeal sphincter

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<v Speaker 3>that's a polite barrier between your stomach and your throat,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes it's just a little lax directionally and your

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<v Speaker 3>stomach acid does kind of like an unannounced backtrack drop

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<v Speaker 3>in to be like hi, and your throat and your

483
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<v Speaker 3>throat is like no, I don't appreciate the visit, and

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<v Speaker 3>it responds with a sore throat and an irritated voice box.

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<v Speaker 3>So how do you avoid this? Experts say, don't wear

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<v Speaker 3>tight clothing, Maybe consider sleeping in a recliner, which doctor

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<v Speaker 3>Alexander has done, and talk to a doc about some

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<v Speaker 3>lifestyle or maybe dietary changes too, but do not suffer

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<v Speaker 3>with it in silence. Now, what if one of your

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<v Speaker 3>lifestyle changes is taking up throat singing, which is using

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<v Speaker 3>the vocal cords and the resonator of the larynx and

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<v Speaker 3>parts of your lips and jaw to produce a few

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<v Speaker 3>different notes at a time. What a hobby. So many

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<v Speaker 3>cultures do practice this, from parts of Central Asia, like

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<v Speaker 3>the region north of Mongolia called Tuba, which has developed

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<v Speaker 3>this continuous circular breathing to sing different notes. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>aren't known as hume, and they developed it to replicate

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<v Speaker 3>and then pay reverence to nature. But there are also

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<v Speaker 3>groups from Japan and Italy and Peru and Indian and

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<v Speaker 3>South Africa, China all over the practice throat singing. There

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<v Speaker 3>are Alaskan Inuit groups that throat sing to lull their

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<v Speaker 3>babies to sleep, but unshockingly, they were banned from throat

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<v Speaker 3>singing by religious colonist missionaries who thought that the art

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<v Speaker 3>sounded satanic. But a few elders preserve the technique and

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<v Speaker 3>they've been able to pass it along to future generations.

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<v Speaker 3>But many patrons wanted to know what is going on here,

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<v Speaker 3>For example Aaron Gunderson, Chris Curious Bubbery, Michael McLeod Sonia Bird,

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah King, Emilio, Donnellye Raimos and Nicole Peruzzi and first

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<v Speaker 3>time question asker is Sherry Denhy and Crystal Simon's So

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<v Speaker 3>many folks wanted to know about throat singing. Sarah King says,

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<v Speaker 3>throat music. Tell me how they do it? Please? Does

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<v Speaker 3>it hurt like Tibetan monks and stuff? Chris Curious asked,

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening in the voice box? And my brother in

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<v Speaker 3>law does throat singing. Shout out to the lovely and

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<v Speaker 3>talented Kyle Sleeper of Whitefish Montanai and he does not

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<v Speaker 3>sound human when he does it. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>So we naturally use our larryings, our true vocal folds

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<v Speaker 4>as vibrator under certain training. And that's what throat singing

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<v Speaker 4>is is very specific training. They're using other vibrators, so

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<v Speaker 4>other parts of the throat are doing more intense vibration

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<v Speaker 4>than you and I are trained to do, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they're able to make multiple sounds at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>and also a sound that has a totally different shape,

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<v Speaker 4>because if you're vibrating some of your resonators instead of

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<v Speaker 4>just your primary vibrator, then we get a whole different sound.

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<v Speaker 3>So training is key for that.

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<v Speaker 4>M Yeah, and that's another one. I'm impressed with your

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<v Speaker 4>brother in law, because that's another thing where if you

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<v Speaker 4>don't get it early, I don't understand how. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>understand how you learned that at like thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked him for tips and he sent me this

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<v Speaker 3>video the dogs.

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<v Speaker 9>Are going crazy. But I think advice would be, as

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<v Speaker 9>you're relaxing and as you're vibrating your vocal cords down here,

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<v Speaker 9>it shouldn't hurt if you're if it's less cookie.

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<v Speaker 3>Monster, which would be like, hmmm, it's less that.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a little bit lower down and it's a little

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<v Speaker 9>more relaxed.

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<v Speaker 3>Who Also, I was like, Kyle Sleeper, my brother, can

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<v Speaker 3>I tell people that you're cool and happen to be single?

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<v Speaker 3>And he said no, And then I was like, but

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<v Speaker 3>ologize are the best and he was like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>so Kyle Sleeper on Instagram just say Dad says, Hi, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, where were we? We were throat singing. So for

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<v Speaker 3>more throat singing tunes, you can look up performances by

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<v Speaker 3>Tuvin Throat Singing Ensemble Alash. You can seek out throat

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<v Speaker 3>singing groups on whatever your favorite music app is, or

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<v Speaker 3>you can buy music, buy smaller artists on sites like

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<v Speaker 3>band camp, and look for local indigenous performers that you

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<v Speaker 3>can support. So jam it in your brain. Okay. More

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<v Speaker 3>questions Christine Parker, Graham, Jen Logan, Jesse Rose, Jasmine Fassa,

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<v Speaker 3>Tanya Emilio, and LeAnn Murray Lean longtime listener, first time

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<v Speaker 3>question asker, and ask as a singer, I'm curious what's

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<v Speaker 3>actually happening when a vibrato happens? And is their truth

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<v Speaker 3>to what their teacher said about always being really hydrated?

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<v Speaker 3>For singers, always p clear thing is what they heard,

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<v Speaker 3>But all these folks wanted to know what is vibrato.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so vibrato is an additional layer that we put

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<v Speaker 4>on top where we are gently varying the resonator. So

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<v Speaker 4>that would be like if you had maybe a flexible

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<v Speaker 4>piano where you could squeeze it in and out. That

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<v Speaker 4>would change the frequency in a different way than changing

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<v Speaker 4>the actual tone that's being struck. And so vibrato you'll

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<v Speaker 4>see when you watch the voice the neck of someone

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<v Speaker 4>who's singing with vibrato, you'll see the whole voice box

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<v Speaker 4>moving often. And so that is doing some subtle changes

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<v Speaker 4>to the shape of the resonating cavity, and that's what's

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<v Speaker 4>changing it. That's what that's what vibrato comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>Pee and clear.

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<v Speaker 4>It is probably a little bit overachieving, but the more

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<v Speaker 4>hydration that's available in your body, the more your body

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<v Speaker 4>can distribute it to the places that need it. And

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<v Speaker 4>so I would say definitely drink wh you're thirsty, drink

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<v Speaker 4>a little ahead of being thirsty, and don't cross your

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<v Speaker 4>singing teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you learn vibrato or is it just like some

625
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 3>people can use those muscles, some can't.

626
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, so it's something that I can be taught, and

627
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 4>just in my practice, I spend a lot of time

628
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.719
<v Speaker 4>taking my singers out of it because the way that

629
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 4>our machine works to do the imaging of the voice box,

630
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 4>we need you to make a single frequency for the

631
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 4>machine to work, and so they naturally want to give

632
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 4>me all of this and really, I want this a

633
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 4>flat tone, and their brains are so focused on making

634
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 4>the kind of theatrical sound that lets them be as

635
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 4>long as possible. My I don't need it to be

636
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 4>that long, but I needed to make one frequency, please

637
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.280
<v Speaker 4>for this machine to work. Stay with me, kid, Yeah.

638
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 3>So a few machines that are an ologist of this

639
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 3>ILK might employ are videostrobolaryngoscopy or a laryngeal electromiography. And

640
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 3>what they'll do they'll hook you up to it and

641
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 3>then they'll maybe make you pronounce those words. And if

642
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 3>you can't pronounce them, then they're like your normals. Those

643
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 3>are very big words. That's not true. But what if

644
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.079
<v Speaker 3>your voice really though, isn't fine. We covered gender affirming

645
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>vocal surgeries and therapies in Part one too, but many

646
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.519
<v Speaker 3>people asked about just repairing vocal core damage and voice

647
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 3>box transplants. And just tune ups. So I'm looking at

648
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.079
<v Speaker 3>you Kelsey Simpson, Patrick W. Shan and Ryan, Emily Okerland,

649
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 3>Kathleen Daling, Jesse Dragon, Courtney Peterson, don Ewald, Ellen Voss, Nance,

650
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Kay Clark, Elia Myers, Paulina Nisheva, Katie Munez, and Patti Bergman.

651
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.400
<v Speaker 3>And first time question askers Adam Silk, emmett Wald and

652
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 3>Arianna Laro, who asked voice surgeries what sort of black

653
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 3>magic is that? And in this specific case, I think

654
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 3>it would technically be be black girl magic, but I'll

655
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 3>let the voice surgeon speak to the other questions. What

656
00:36:56.239 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 3>about damaging or repairing a voice boxe somethin host of

657
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 3>other people want to know after being damaged, will your

658
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 3>voice box repair itself or will you just have to

659
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 3>live with the damage forever? Or are there surgeries to

660
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 3>repair it?

661
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 4>So that very much depends on the nature of the injury.

662
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.679
<v Speaker 4>So if the injury was something like they were in

663
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 4>a car accident and the voice box the cartilage is

664
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 4>actually broken, that's going to need medical help. If it

665
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 4>is a phono trauma from the way that they use

666
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 4>the voice that can be coached often, but sometimes there

667
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 4>are parts of that that need surgery is to like

668
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 4>a cyst or a polyp. We often will end up

669
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 4>needing surgery. There's a thing called the pseudocyst that we

670
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 4>will often treat with anti reflux medication and also good

671
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 4>habits against reflux. Get our recliner, guys. But there also

672
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 4>can be injuries from medical care that then we have

673
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 4>to come behind and fix, so breathing tubes in the

674
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 4>throat intubation. Sometimes if there's an emergency like a car

675
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 4>accident or you know, Heaven forbid, some kind of medical emergency,

676
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 4>that's what we call out in the field, not in

677
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.639
<v Speaker 4>the hospital, not in a doctor's office. The emergency medical

678
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 4>technicians are doing their best and so they're just trying

679
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 4>to have you alive when you get to us. And

680
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 4>so some of the things that they may do with

681
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 4>a breathing tube or a feeding tube may do some

682
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 4>bumps and bruises of the voice box, and we're here

683
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.159
<v Speaker 4>to help rescue that. So contact your local leryngologists for

684
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 4>some help.

685
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:25.119
<v Speaker 3>And with stroke victims, is it the articulators that need

686
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.440
<v Speaker 3>to be retrained or have lost some of their functional.

687
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 4>So often with stroke survivors, it is what we call dysarthria,

688
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 4>so dis means bad or wrong, and arthria is shaping,

689
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 4>so they're going to have oftentimes problems moving the lips, tongue, cheeks, face,

690
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 4>and so they're not shaping the sound well. And so

691
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 4>again the exam is, yes, I'm looking at my patient,

692
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 4>but I'm listening equally hard. Do they have a strong

693
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.239
<v Speaker 4>sound but the shape is garbled? Or can I just

694
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 4>not hear them at all? And so I have to

695
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 4>disort out is it a problem in the mouth, Is

696
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 4>it a problem of their ventures because that also not

697
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 4>having teeth impacts the way your lips lie, and that'll

698
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 4>change the sound of your speech, but not necessarily the voice.

699
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 4>But then we also examine to see if there are

700
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 4>any issues with movement of the voice box itself. So

701
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 4>one or more vocal cords can be paralyzed, not usually

702
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 4>not from a stroke where the person has recovered, because

703
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 4>you have to lose a lot of brain to get

704
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 4>a vocal fold, not to move after a stroke, But

705
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 4>we always examined to see what's happening.

706
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 3>And is there a lot of hope in terms of

707
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 3>rehabilitation for that or is it a pretty tough road.

708
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 4>So kind of the trajectory of the rehabilitation and recovery

709
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 4>goes along with the brain recovery. So getting good physical

710
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 4>medicine and rehab treatment with physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech

711
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 4>therapy are all going to be important as the rest

712
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 4>of the body and brain recover. We can additionally get

713
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 4>better strength and also making sure that the lungs are

714
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 4>working well and they're well supported and they're breathing is organized.

715
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about tone and range. Some people want to know.

716
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Patron Natalie Prince and first time question asker Hope Shin asked,

717
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 3>in Hope's words, why are some people naturally good at

718
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 3>matching musical pitches i e. Singing while others aren't? And

719
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 3>a flock of Songbird patrons such as Jade Walker, Iris Hutchings,

720
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Emily Layfield, Quinn Newman, and Tristandie Brenner wanted to know

721
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 3>why it's harder for some folks to carry a tune?

722
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Why do some people just not have, in David Schuster's words,

723
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 3>the balance between innate ability and talent and formal training

724
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to range and understanding and replicating tone.

725
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 3>There are do some people's resonators just not give them

726
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 3>a good idea of what sound they're making.

727
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, we can ask my dad. He's what we

728
00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:00.360
<v Speaker 4>call wrong and strong when he's singing. It's precious now,

729
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 4>but oh boy, was it embarrassing for about thirty years.

730
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 4>So it's outside of the field of laryngology. But there

731
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 4>is something in the brain where they're not hearing what

732
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 4>they sound like to the rest of us. Yeah, and

733
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 4>it's not even a matter of just like that tone

734
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 4>difference that you know in the temporal bone or around

735
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 4>the temporal bone. They're just not getting it. And I

736
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 4>don't know how they would survive in a language setup

737
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.000
<v Speaker 4>that is tonal. So like, don't be one of these

738
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 4>people and be born to a Mandarin speaking family, because

739
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 4>you're not going to be able to communicate.

740
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Wow. I didn't even think about how different languages rely

741
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.719
<v Speaker 3>on tone so much more. Oh yeah, wow, oh yeah.

742
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 3>So now onto a question that was just swelling up

743
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.800
<v Speaker 3>in the back of the throats of Melanie Lee McKenna, speed,

744
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Celia Bell, and me. What about tonsils? Ali Paul, first

745
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 3>time question asker, says how much do tonsils affect the voice?

746
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Ali's been told I have huge consoles, but no doctor

747
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 3>ever suggested they'd be removed. I had mine removed at

748
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty six.

749
00:41:58.280 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, Oh god, I was.

750
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:03.360
<v Speaker 3>It's terrible. Oh it's the worst, and it's a hate crime.

751
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.079
<v Speaker 3>It was. Yeah, I got I thought I was getting better,

752
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.800
<v Speaker 3>and then I ate a piece of chicken which got

753
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 3>lodged in the hole in my throat.

754
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry.

755
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 3>It was not a good time.

756
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 4>No, Yeah, we have pretty high hurdles for adult ton selectomy.

757
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 4>You really have to earn it because we know it's terrible.

758
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.159
<v Speaker 3>You earned it, Oh I didn't.

759
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 4>And so ton selectomy can't affect the voice because it's

760
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 4>changing the shape of your resonator. Again, like imagine you

761
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 4>change the shape of the piano, it's gonna sound different.

762
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.079
<v Speaker 4>So if you have these big lumps in your throat

763
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 4>and we take them out, you have to reorient yourself

764
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 4>to how you're shaping your sound. And also it's just

765
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 4>really a bad surgery. Yeah, we don't have a good

766
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 4>time doing it. So that's why if your doctor is like,

767
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't think you ton select me, because it's because

768
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 4>we have seen how bad it is. I like to explain,

769
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 4>it hurts. It hurts more than you think it hurts.

770
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 4>In a way that I can't really explain women who

771
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 4>have given birth without any medicine. Tell me to selected me.

772
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 3>Hurts really well as a person who has not had

773
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 3>a baby and isn't going to. That makes me feel

774
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more like a badass.

775
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Tom, select me is right up there.

776
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I woke up crying, like, like, days and weeks

777
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 3>into it. I woke up crying because it was just

778
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.159
<v Speaker 3>it like knives. It was just like I had constant knives.

779
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 3>A few people want to know even wants to know

780
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.199
<v Speaker 3>what happened to Julie Andrews's voice. I guess she had

781
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 3>surgery on her vocal chords. A lot of people want

782
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.199
<v Speaker 3>to know about Julie Andrews, So Avan asked what happened

783
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 3>to Julie Andrews's voice? She had such incredible range. What

784
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 3>went wrong? They want to know? And Bee's knees and

785
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 3>first time asker Sarah Rowe also wanted to know more

786
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 3>about the sound of music and Mary Poppin' Star and

787
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen ninety seven vocal cord surgery she underwent. So

788
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.719
<v Speaker 3>she was doing Victor Victoria on Broadway and had some

789
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 3>hoarseness from just the NonStop shows and had surgery to

790
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 3>remove nodules she was told she had, although she actually

791
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.280
<v Speaker 3>didn't have nodules, and the needless surgery apparently destroyed her

792
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 3>singing voice forever. It resulted in a malpracticed lawsuit to

793
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 3>the New York City hospital that performed the surgery. And

794
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.320
<v Speaker 3>she's now eighty seven and she hasn't regained her voice.

795
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 3>But she spoke to Barbara Walters. A year or so

796
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 3>into losing it.

797
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 7>I went in for a routine procedure that I was

798
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 7>told would not be threatening to my vocal cords. And

799
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 7>since then, as you know, and as everybody's been talking about,

800
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 7>I've just been unable to sing.

801
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.119
<v Speaker 3>That's a big question. Will Julie Andrews be able to

802
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 3>sing again?

803
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 11>Well?

804
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 3>I can only say I hope. So do you have

805
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 3>any thoughts about her?

806
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 4>Thoughts about Dame Julie Andrews. Number one, she's a queen,

807
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 4>absolutely absolutely everything from Maria to Mary Poppins to the

808
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 4>Queen of Genovia, full support and what happened we believe. Again,

809
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a privy to her medical care and we

810
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 4>respect her privacy, but anytime we operate on the vocal folds,

811
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 4>remember I describe that superficial lemon appropriate that special jelly layer.

812
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Every time we open it or operate into it, we

813
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 4>are increasing the risk that there could be a scar

814
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 4>that develops. And if you scar or lose that SLP layer,

815
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 4>you can't make that vibration. And that's why she can't

816
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 4>sing the way she used to.

817
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>There must be a lot of grief, I imagine.

818
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 4>First, yes, you know singing, it is her identity. The

819
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 4>voice for me, like the voice is, that's our that's

820
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 4>our imprint, that's our real signature. These days, in particular,

821
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 4>you know who's on the phone without the caller ID

822
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 4>when you hear them. Infants know our voices. Infants know

823
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 4>their mum from what they heard inside. So much emotion

824
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.440
<v Speaker 4>is attached to the voice, and so that's why, even

825
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 4>though I do lots of voice surgeries, I don't take

826
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 4>it lightly. Every time we're operating on the voice, we're

827
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 4>taking a risk that the voice will be different in

828
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 4>a bad way when we're done. So we have specialized techniques.

829
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.920
<v Speaker 4>We do things like ad injection of liquid to float

830
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 4>the lining away from that layer so that we can

831
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 4>operate on it safely, and just all kinds of things

832
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 4>to protect that voice because we haven't developed good replacement

833
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.360
<v Speaker 4>for it yet. Yeah, there's lots of labs that are

834
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 4>trying to engineer a replacement for super official lamin appropria,

835
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 4>but it's just not there yet.

836
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:33.239
<v Speaker 3>And remember from part one that the superficial lamina appropria

837
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 3>is that layer right under the moist epithelial tissue, and

838
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 3>the superficial lamin appropria covers the muscles of the vocal cords.

839
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 3>And you do not want to fuck that up and

840
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 3>ruin Julie Andrews's life, No, thank you. And also from

841
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 3>part one, we covered Adams apples a little in an aside,

842
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 3>but listener, Gabe Nuth is not a fan of getting

843
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 3>smacked in theirs. And other folks had questions. Lila mancad

844
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Ira Gray Deny Dejournet and cass all wanted to know

845
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 3>essentially like what's the deal with Adams apples? And then last,

846
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 3>what's your question? I realized we're about to ask what

847
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 3>about Atom's apples? Some people want to know why does

848
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 3>it hurt so bad when you get clotheslined on the

849
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 3>atom's apple like ugh? And then also surgeries for reduction

850
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 3>of that does that affect the voice or is that

851
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 3>just all kind of a just bulk of cartilage.

852
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 4>So getting a closeline injury to that area hurts because

853
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 4>it's supposed to hurt because you're not supposed to do that. No,

854
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 4>but it's it's again, it's that flexible, the soft the cartilage,

855
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 4>it'll flex, but it can also break. So if you're

856
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.199
<v Speaker 4>having pain, please seek medical attention. That's number one. And

857
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 4>then when it comes to reducing the prominence of it,

858
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 4>that is a part of our gender affirming surgery protocols

859
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.719
<v Speaker 4>that we can do. We make small incisions up under

860
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 4>the chin, and we use special instruments to shave that

861
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 4>area down so that it's smoother and easier to either

862
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.519
<v Speaker 4>camouflage with makeup or just not obvious at all. And

863
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 4>we kind of set the surgery up so that we

864
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.639
<v Speaker 4>can watch the voice box at the same time to

865
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.400
<v Speaker 4>make sure that we're not entering because it shouldn't affect

866
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 4>the voice. We affect the voice for our fems in

867
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 4>other ways with voice rehab or with the endoscopic through

868
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 4>the natural whole surgery to shorten the vocal folds. But

869
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 4>when we're shaving down the Adams apple, our goal is

870
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 4>not to change the voice.

871
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 3>So let's get to a critical question. Patron Jessica Janssen

872
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:33.159
<v Speaker 3>asked why can I not sing? While Alexandra Cattoul asked

873
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 3>why can't I sing? Antonio Clark wanted to know can

874
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.239
<v Speaker 3>anyone learn to sing? Or are some of us just

875
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.480
<v Speaker 3>hopeless cases that should keep it to the shower. Likewise,

876
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 3>Hester Dingle inquired can one learn to sing nicely? Or

877
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.079
<v Speaker 3>am I forever doomed to sound like a squawking cockatoo.

878
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 3>Grace Strain, Jolan Bloom, Pepita Lee, t Scott glib Erica

879
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Perryandre celest Russo and Meredith snow land Or all had

880
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 3>similar questions. But I'm gonna put it in the first

881
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.760
<v Speaker 3>person because I'm also ashamed and desperate. Do I have

882
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 3>hope as a singer? My husband got me vocal lessons

883
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 3>because we once were in a car on the road

884
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 3>trip and he was like, what's a class you would

885
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:16.239
<v Speaker 3>want to take that scares you? And I was like, oh,

886
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 3>a singing class. I'm terrified. But I've always wanted to sing,

887
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 3>and because of COVID, I've put it off now for

888
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 3>like a year, and also because I'm scared. Do I

889
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 3>have hope?

890
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 4>So I would say unequivocally yes, okay, appreciate that. And

891
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 4>the reason for that is that singing is not always

892
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 4>about what comes out m hm, but where it's coming from.

893
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 4>So if the sound that comes out of your mouth

894
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 4>came from joying in your heart, then you're already a success.

895
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I'm going to form a band with your dad.

896
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be rough for the rest of us.

897
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 3>We're just gonna do it. It's do us all the

898
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.400
<v Speaker 3>time for that other than me and your dad singing.

899
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Hardest thing about your job, hardest thing about being a

900
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.039
<v Speaker 3>laryngologist anything.

901
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 4>I would say the hardest things about being a laryngologist

902
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 4>include sometimes having to tell people they have cancer fuck yeah,

903
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Speaker 4>and having a surgical non success for getting out one

904
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 4>of those airway tubes, and just having to tell them

905
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 4>flat out what we tried didn't work and I'm sorry,

906
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 4>and not so hard, but occasionally hard is that sometimes,

907
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 4>like medicine is one of these things where you walk

908
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 4>into a room with a stranger and they ask you

909
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.199
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of personal questions, and then some of my

910
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 4>patients they tell me really really bad truths, like about

911
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 4>their life or their situation and to be able to

912
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 4>balance like my human heart and give them encouragement and

913
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 4>also do the medical diagnostic work I have to do,

914
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.400
<v Speaker 4>because sometimes I just want to like go down the

915
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.880
<v Speaker 4>rabbit hole with them, you know, like whether it's oh,

916
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm here because I survived an abusive situation and I

917
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 4>did have an injury to my voice box, and you know,

918
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 4>what can we do to make it better? All the

919
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 4>way to like, oh, I'm back, I'm trying to stop smoking,

920
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 4>but I'm just out from incarceration. But I've got this

921
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 4>great job. And for me to be able to be

922
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:18.599
<v Speaker 4>present and encouraging and neutral in their lives and be like, well,

923
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 4>thank you for sharing that. You know that's not something

924
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 4>you can share with everyone, and I thank you for

925
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.920
<v Speaker 4>trusting me with your truth. It's a real responsibility to

926
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.519
<v Speaker 4>be authentically here and present with patients so they can

927
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 4>tell us the truth and we can get to the

928
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 4>root of the matter. So it's sometimes hard, but it's

929
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:37.599
<v Speaker 4>also a privilege to be just that trusted. It can

930
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 4>be tough, but we're trying to show up for our

931
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 4>patients as real people. So sometimes your doc is having

932
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 4>a bad day. Sometimes you're having a bad day, So

933
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 4>we want to offer our patients grace, and we hope

934
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 4>that you can offer us grace as well. And you know,

935
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 4>I think sometimes people don't always remember that we may

936
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 4>have just come from a room where we gave super

937
00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 4>super discouraging news to someone and then we're coming to

938
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 4>something that's either good or mildly frustrating, and we work

939
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 4>really hard internally to meet you where you are because

940
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.280
<v Speaker 4>for you, whatever we're talking about is serious and it

941
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 4>doesn't really matter for that encounter that what I just

942
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 4>came from. But your doctor is a person, and so

943
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 4>they have to make that transition. So I hope sometimes

944
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.719
<v Speaker 4>if we're like five, ten or even forty minutes late,

945
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 4>that people can understand that sometimes the person with cancers

946
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 4>twenty minute appointment was not appropriate and I have to

947
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 4>stay with them until we get through what they need

948
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 4>to get through so that I can go and then

949
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 4>tell you, no, you don't need a ton selectomy.

950
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, Oh, that's such a good perspective to give people,

951
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 3>especially as you know, people who have recently lost people

952
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 3>you know what those appointments are like. Oh yeah, you know,

953
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm so thankful for the other patients who did wait

954
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 3>while I was in a room with my dad. You know,

955
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you know that too. What about your favorite thing?

956
00:52:57.480 --> 00:52:59.480
<v Speaker 3>What is it? What is it that just gets you

957
00:52:59.480 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 3>out of bed?

958
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 4>So Top two is taking out someone's tracky asked me

959
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.519
<v Speaker 4>to and they get to have their natural voice with

960
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 4>no yucky appliance. Those are their words. And restoring someone's

961
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 4>ability to communicate. So getting them back their voice, whether

962
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 4>it's with surgery, medicine, or rehab in collaboration with my

963
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 4>speech language pathologists, just getting them back their confidence and

964
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.239
<v Speaker 4>their spark. And I love when I can just be like,

965
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the visit, I'll just go, do

966
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 4>you know how much brighter you are than when you

967
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 4>came here their first time? Do you feel different because

968
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 4>I'm experiencing you differently? And then they go wait, yeah, yeah,

969
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.159
<v Speaker 4>and just like helping them identify that insight that the

970
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 4>work that they invested in rehabilitating their voice is showing

971
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 4>up in their life and the way that they just

972
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 4>generally present.

973
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you for using your voice. I mean, this

974
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 3>is a joy. You are an absolute joy. I'm using

975
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 3>my voice to say I love you. I'm so glad

976
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 3>that you do what you do well.

977
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad that you do what you do.

978
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 3>You're the best. Thank you for doing this. Thank you

979
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:11.639
<v Speaker 3>Ali for sad word. What a great about. So there

980
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 3>it is, y'all. Part two asks smart surgeons, unsmart questions

981
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.639
<v Speaker 3>and follow doctor Rhonda Alexander at the links in the

982
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 3>show notes on Twitter and Instagram. There's also a link

983
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 3>to the Laryngology Education Foundation Health Equity Grant program. We

984
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 3>are at ologies on Instagram and Twitter, and I'm at

985
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Ali Ward with one L on both and I'm on

986
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:38.239
<v Speaker 3>TikTok at Ali underscore ologies if you're into that. Smologies

987
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<v Speaker 3>are shorter, filth free episodes of the show that are

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<v Speaker 3>classroom safe, so you can find those at aliward dot

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<v Speaker 3>com Smologies. Those are linked in the show notes. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you see Rodriguez Thomas and Mercedes Maitland for editing those ologies.

991
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<v Speaker 3>Merch is available at ologiesmarch dot com. There are hats,

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<v Speaker 3>there are shirts, totes, stickers more. Thank you to Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>Talbert for adminting Theologies podcast Facebook group with assists from

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<v Speaker 3>at patreon dot com slash Ologies. Emily White of the

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<v Speaker 3>dash extras linked in the show notes. Noel Dilworth does

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<v Speaker 3>all of our scheduling and so much more. Susan Hale

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<v Speaker 3>handles the merch and a million other things. Kelly R.

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<v Speaker 3>Dwyer works at our website and she can make yours too.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Thorburn wrote and performed the theme music. Jared Sleeper

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<v Speaker 3>is both handsome and an assistant editor on this episode,

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<v Speaker 3>and huge thanks to Lady of the North Canadian and

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<v Speaker 3>lead editor Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio. I wonder and

1006
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.519
<v Speaker 3>a joy she is. And if you stick around until

1007
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 3>the end of the episode, I reward you with a confession.

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<v Speaker 3>And this week it's that it's during snake and time. People.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like once a year I'd get the rare

1010
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:04.639
<v Speaker 3>pleasure of sticking a velgrow tipped wire that I got

1011
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:08.079
<v Speaker 3>for seven dollars down my shower drain and then just

1012
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 3>birthing from the muck something that looks like the child

1013
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 3>of a squirrel, and a sock covered in hair, a

1014
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.440
<v Speaker 3>jellyfish made out of hair. It's disgusting. And I love it.

1015
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Let me tell you, let me tell

1016
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 3>you some all right. I never ever want you to

1017
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 3>look up reviews for something called a drain snake or

1018
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 3>a drain weasel on say Amazon, because if you click

1019
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.360
<v Speaker 3>on those customer ratings and reviews and you scroll down

1020
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<v Speaker 3>and then you look at the gallery of customer images,

1021
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 3>never do that. I did it. I did it because

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see. I wanted to see what clomes

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<v Speaker 3>out of other people's drains.

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00:56:54.679 --> 00:57:01.440
<v Speaker 12>I need to see you so gross, a disgusting goblin gene,

1025
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 12>and I just needed to see what else comes out

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00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:05.079
<v Speaker 12>of people's dread.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's catharsis and it's horror. And it's no longer

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00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:11.199
<v Speaker 3>a secret now you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Ooh okay, byebye, Sorry.

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00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.960
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<v Speaker 10>Tecency supply fifteen europer month locked in, while a Virgin

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<v Speaker 10>Mobile customer twelve month contract includes unlimited data, standard calls

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<v Speaker 10>and texts. All Irish Networks offer ends February eighteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 10>twenty six. See Virgin Media dot ie get value.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't argue with at Tesco with their amazing club

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<v Speaker 1>card prices. Serve up something special with our finest meal

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<v Speaker 1>deal for two starring one main, two sides and dessert

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<v Speaker 1>for only sixteen euro like Succulent Board be approved Virushang

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<v Speaker 1>the Strip Loin Steaks with peppercorn butter or delicious Virus

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<v Speaker 1>Chicken Parmeshama served with creamy potato gretam and our mix

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<v Speaker 1>of rainbow root vegetables. And enjoy Goozillionaire or Soldier Caramel cheesecake.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't argue with that shop in store or online Tesco.

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<v Speaker 1>Every Little Helps available in most stores, Prices varying Express
