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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey coming thame my pay money ally, Oh why

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<v Speaker 2>From Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Hayward, John You and power Lines International Woman of

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<v Speaker 2>Mystery Lucretia Gotta giving.

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<v Speaker 3>Let that whiskey clone where you're feeling in loud down

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<v Speaker 3>and loone.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome everybody to a special Christmas Day Christmas Week episode

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<v Speaker 4>and the Three Whiskey. I'm gonna start again and welcome

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<v Speaker 4>everybody to a special Christmas Week episode of the Three

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<v Speaker 4>Whiskey Happy Hour, our last gathering before December twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 4>though we will be having one directly afterwards as we

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<v Speaker 4>approach the new year. But we thought this was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a quiet, quiet time. We were going to

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<v Speaker 4>sit back and enjoy our whiskey and talk about great

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<v Speaker 4>philosophy and all the other things like Big Max and

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<v Speaker 4>Nick Ribs mc ribbs work products that we usually talk

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<v Speaker 4>about at the end of December. But actually the news

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<v Speaker 4>presses on and there's a lot of actually deep political

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<v Speaker 4>theory and constitutional questions to discuss raised by this week's events.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm joined today by our relentless hosts Steve Heyward, Steve,

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<v Speaker 4>where are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually in Seattle today. Long stupid story that I'll

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<v Speaker 3>skip over, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like all his stories, Yeah, why do we stick

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<v Speaker 4>up this one over? And the International Woman of Mystery

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<v Speaker 4>mac Gresha Magresha, how are you? Where are you?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm well, John, thank you, and I am home. Just

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<v Speaker 5>got home yesterday, so I'm happy to be home. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you what I know. There's like three percent

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<v Speaker 5>of our listeners who care. But she's happy I'm home too.

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<v Speaker 5>Your cat, yes, the cat. Yeah, she's very happy that

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<v Speaker 5>I'm home because I've been gone too much lately.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, you are a pathetic excuse for cat lady though,

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<v Speaker 3>I just put that down there.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>But you guys are not childless, your fertile You know

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<v Speaker 4>how did the fertile cat lady vote in four members?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? I think we do, actually, John, I posted a

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<v Speaker 3>chart about this. In fact, you know, married cat ladies

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<v Speaker 3>who have children voted for Trump. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, no, this is the last time I'll bring

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<v Speaker 5>up cat at all. But I do have to tell you, guys,

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<v Speaker 5>if you ever got to meet my cat, I know,

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<v Speaker 5>neither one of you really like cats, unless you are

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<v Speaker 5>one of those actually despise cats sort of people that

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<v Speaker 5>can't even be around them, which included my son, by

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<v Speaker 5>the way, He would just like go wash his hands

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<v Speaker 5>after he touched one and that sort of thing. He

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<v Speaker 5>adores her. Everyone adores her because she acts like a dog,

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<v Speaker 5>is what it comes down to. She has no cat

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<v Speaker 5>qualities whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Sorry, I loaf cats. I think they're just watching

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<v Speaker 4>us and waiting around for us to kill ourselves off

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<v Speaker 4>so they can take over.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's obviously.

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<v Speaker 5>She's probably doing that. I'm not going to deny that

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<v Speaker 5>one for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>The dogs are on our side. They want to maintain

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<v Speaker 4>human supremacy. Okay, well, let's let's start off with the

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<v Speaker 4>news about President Biden. There was a lengthy expos in

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<v Speaker 4>the Wall Street Journal this week which gave a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of detail to what I think Steve and Lucretia have

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<v Speaker 4>long thought and suspected that President Biden might not really

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<v Speaker 4>been president all these years, that he had become so

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<v Speaker 4>withdrawn due to his faltering mental condition that it seemed

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<v Speaker 4>like his White House not for in charge. There are

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<v Speaker 4>reports that some cabinet members rarely talk to him, not

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<v Speaker 4>of the government, defense Treasury were now it didn't seem

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<v Speaker 4>to be really run by President Biden, that the cabinet

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<v Speaker 4>members would not ask for meetings and wouldn't even see

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<v Speaker 4>them because they'd be turned down. Actually, I got to say,

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<v Speaker 4>Lucretia has been on this from if I remember the

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<v Speaker 4>very first week of Biden's presidency. Lucretia, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you and take your time trotting around the course

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<v Speaker 4>in your victory lap, in.

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<v Speaker 5>My victory lap. Thank you for noticing that. Actually, if

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<v Speaker 5>I'd have had more time between when you brought this

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<v Speaker 5>through our podcasting compiled a short, you know, montage of

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<v Speaker 5>me saying that over and over and over again, and

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<v Speaker 5>talk and actually ask you guys on a couple of occasions,

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<v Speaker 5>and we never had a clear answer for that, although

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<v Speaker 5>you guys are get credit for not entirely disagreeing with

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<v Speaker 5>me on that point. But what I think is maybe

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<v Speaker 5>worthy of discussing here see my shocked face. Oh Biden

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't really on top of things is that you finally

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<v Speaker 5>see what came out in the Wall Street Journal, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>three reporters, and then it was reported over and over again.

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<v Speaker 5>You see the mainstream media sort of gleefully reporting this now,

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<v Speaker 5>which is kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I see a few really really left wing rags coming out,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Vox and a few others, Donna Brazil best

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<v Speaker 5>president ever in the history of the universe, and people

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<v Speaker 5>like that trying to counter it. But most of the

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<v Speaker 5>mainstream media does seem to be wanting to try to

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<v Speaker 5>restore some and you know, try to instore your store

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<v Speaker 5>some respect for their integrity, I guess is a better

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<v Speaker 5>way to put it. Carrying this story and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>acting duly shocked of course that they were misled. Of

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<v Speaker 5>course they knew it. If I knew it, they knew it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's just put it that way. I'm not brilliant about

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<v Speaker 5>these things. So I think that's actually the story here,

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<v Speaker 5>is how much the whole idea that they covered it

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<v Speaker 5>up and now they're pretending like they're shocked about it,

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<v Speaker 5>but coming clean on it. I think that's a story.

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<v Speaker 5>And I do one last thing, Steve, I just want

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<v Speaker 5>to say, I quoted you today on Twitter, John, and

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<v Speaker 5>I said, my good friend, John, you thinks that this

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<v Speaker 5>is the perfect opportunity for a for Congress to investigate

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<v Speaker 5>I'll let you talk about that, but I just want

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<v Speaker 5>to tell you that I gave you credit for that one,

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<v Speaker 5>although I followed it with I'm not sure when you

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<v Speaker 5>have weak minded Republicans based on history running congressional investigations,

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<v Speaker 5>you'll get anywhere. But still it's an interesting idea done Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so yeah, hearings right. So one of for

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<v Speaker 3>listeners who haven't seen the story, and it's probably a

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<v Speaker 3>lot if you don't subscribe to the journal, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things the story makes clear is that the cover

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<v Speaker 3>up of Biden's disability began during the twenty twenty campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not something that started in twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. And the Wall Street Journal was one of

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<v Speaker 3>back in June they had their big feature story that

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<v Speaker 3>reported a lot of these problems, and they got ferocious blowback,

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<v Speaker 3>not just from the White House and from Capitol Hill Democrats,

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<v Speaker 3>but from the rest of the media. That's when that

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Scarborough guy said, I can tell you that this

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<v Speaker 3>is the best Biden. He's intellectually sharp, he's on top

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<v Speaker 3>of things. And it wasn't just the journal by the way, yesterday,

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<v Speaker 3>it was also that Chris Silizigai who used to be

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<v Speaker 3>on seeing it in the Washington Post, and he went

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube said I have to apologize to all my readers.

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<v Speaker 3>I should have been asking questions about the president's condition.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I want to ask him if I

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<v Speaker 3>had the chance, why didn't you? Because you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>media was heard. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>What the story now is not that. The story is

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<v Speaker 5>how ubseid he is with the right wing for not

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<v Speaker 5>taking his apology seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, of course it's always a republican's pounce, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, Yes, well he war like that. But so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is a media scandal as well as

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<v Speaker 3>a political scandal. One other details emerged from this, which is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sorry Biden met Putin. One meeting with Putin

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<v Speaker 3>in I think June of twenty twenty one in Geneva,

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<v Speaker 3>And of course this is two months before we bug

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<v Speaker 3>out of Afghanistan in such a shameful way. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think back to when John F. Kennedy met Krushchev

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<v Speaker 3>in Vienna in nineteen sixty one and Krushchev said, this

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<v Speaker 3>guy's a lightweight, I can take him. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>one of the chain of events leading to the Cuban

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<v Speaker 3>missile crisis. And Kennedy knew it. By the way he

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<v Speaker 3>told is he told his staff after he came home

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<v Speaker 3>from Vienna, says got Krushchev absolutely brutalized me. It was

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<v Speaker 3>the phrase Kennedy himself used. Well, I am guessing my

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<v Speaker 3>hunch is is that Putin took the measure of Biden

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<v Speaker 3>and realized he was senile and out of touch and pushover.

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<v Speaker 3>And then after the Afghanistan bug out, decided, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we can just Wautch and Ukraine and take the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We can quit nibbling at the edges like they've been

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<v Speaker 3>doing for a decade now. One other thing, So there's

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<v Speaker 3>this story going around social media in the last thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six hours that Kamala Harris abruptly canceled her plans to

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<v Speaker 3>go to California for the holidays. Biden came home from

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<v Speaker 3>Delaware and they're saying that's for some event or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>to sign a continuing resolution, which isn't necessary. Lots of

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<v Speaker 3>speculation about what. Oh, and then Harris was seeing in

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<v Speaker 3>a motor kate going to the White House the other night,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Thursday night. So the question is Discussia. There's

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<v Speaker 3>something going on, So you can only speculate. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you read today's Wall Street Journal story saying that Biden

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<v Speaker 3>is considered ring commuting the sentences of every federal inmate

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<v Speaker 3>currently facing a deat sentence, which would include people like

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<v Speaker 3>that Sarnaev kid who did the Boston marathon bombing, the

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<v Speaker 3>guy who's the Bowers guy who shot eleven people, the

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<v Speaker 3>Tree of Life synagogue in Pennsylvania, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, the Democrats are already embarrassed by Biden's

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<v Speaker 3>pardon of Hunter, and this is crazy speculation of my partner.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll say the last thing, which is maybe they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to invote the twenty fifth Amendment because they're afraid

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<v Speaker 3>that Biden is going to go crazy with pardons and

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<v Speaker 3>really embarrassed Democrats. It seems unlikely, but you know, then

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<v Speaker 3>you do that historic first presidency thing for a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>But finally, yeah, I mean I had that idea too.

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<v Speaker 3>There ought to be aggressive hearings and haul and all

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<v Speaker 3>the cabinet members, all the White House staff, and say

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<v Speaker 3>why did you conceal this? How did you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>What are the implications of this? Do you know for

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<v Speaker 3>reasons that you stated? John? And I think that would

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<v Speaker 3>this is at least as biggest scandal's Watergate in my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>concealing we didn't have a president who's been president for

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<v Speaker 3>the last four years. It hasn't been Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think there's two angles that Lucretia's right. You

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<v Speaker 4>have the media, which conscious possantly must have covered this up.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, anyone who saw him close up would have known.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me say though, that the only truth teller here

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<v Speaker 4>was the Korean guy, Robert Hurr, the special counsel. Remember

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<v Speaker 4>how attacks he got when he said, this guy's a

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<v Speaker 4>well meaning man, old man with memory problems. And then

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<v Speaker 4>the political cover up, because I think that's what the

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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street Journal opens up that we're not focusing on enough,

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<v Speaker 4>but we will, as Lucretia Steve's call for congressional hearings

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<v Speaker 4>is for a president in that condition to have continued

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<v Speaker 4>in office meant a whole bunch of people conspired to

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<v Speaker 4>Now there was exercising the power of the presidency without permission. Basically,

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<v Speaker 4>executive privilege. Guess who gets to decide whether they have

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<v Speaker 4>on them exactly. So sorry the christ you're about.

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<v Speaker 5>a question about it, because you know, at the beginning

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<v Speaker 5>of Biden's administration, Ron Klain was obviously very, very powerful,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, I mean I hate to say this, but

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that's a good answer, John, You.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, it's uh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, every White House staffer has a best if

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<v Speaker 4>of the first term.

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<v Speaker 5>Although to be fair, a lot of the Biden advisors,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of Jill Biden's closest people that want Andrew Brennall,

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<v Speaker 5>just about every initiative out of the Biden administration, at

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<v Speaker 5>least the domestic exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the people know most him the current chief of

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<v Speaker 4>look at a lot of Biden form policy having been

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<v Speaker 4>a disaster, and that's what happens. Maybe when you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a young junior staffer suddenly becomes National security advisor, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a whole story about why that happened, and then starts

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<v Speaker 5>I have a very descriptive name. I'm sorry. I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>going to say I have a very descriptive name for

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<v Speaker 5>Jake Sullivan that I probably should didn't say on a

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<v Speaker 5>Holy show, So I'll just leave that alone. But it

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<v Speaker 5>describes him perfectly and explains everything that you said the

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<v Speaker 5>long story about Jake Sullivan. But anyway, go ahead, Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I got to hear about this well, but boy,

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<v Speaker 4>Dear, I didn't actually think you were going to say it.

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<v Speaker 3>for years now that Jake from State Farm would give

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<v Speaker 3>And on a second footnote on the media story, So, Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 3>quite sagely or no, it was Rob Long and Ricochet said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you want to know what's happened, you

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<v Speaker 3>always want to read the New York Times two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>after an election that they've lost, because then they start

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<v Speaker 3>approaching the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, like there's been immigration problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly. And uh and and also they have their

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<v Speaker 3>own litervery mild story about Biden's disabilities. But uh, you

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<v Speaker 3>I know you were on the move yesterday, Lucretius, so

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<v Speaker 3>you missed this. But won't be surprised that at the

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<v Speaker 3>Daily Press conference there was not one question for creating

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<v Speaker 3>Jean Pierre Paul Sart about the Wall Street Journal story

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<v Speaker 3>in Biden's disability. Not one you would have thought somebody

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<v Speaker 3>would have asked that, and for a White House response,

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<v Speaker 3>but no, one.

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<v Speaker 5>Did, even Peter Doucey, was he there?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I didn't watch it, but I read

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<v Speaker 3>I read an account. I believe that no one asked

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<v Speaker 3>about it. So there you go. There. Media is still

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<v Speaker 3>covering up for him, in other words, because they're deeply

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<v Speaker 5>Either that they just feel really super sorry for Kareem

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<v Speaker 5>Abdul Jabbar whatever her name is, mophead.

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<v Speaker 3>It would take three of her to get as tall

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<v Speaker 5>I know, but they might. They might. Actually, I think

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<v Speaker 5>I could almost. I confess to feeling sorry for her

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<v Speaker 5>last time. So I think that maybe they what's she

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<v Speaker 5>going to say? I don't know, the same thing that

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<v Speaker 5>that that that Brnald gut No, the the other spokesperson,

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<v Speaker 5>the other White House spokesperson, Andrew somebody or other. I

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<v Speaker 5>forget baits. Maybe something's with a bee who just kept saying,

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<v Speaker 5>oh no, every decision, every decision was either the will

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<v Speaker 5>of Biden or an extrapolation of the bill of the

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<v Speaker 5>will of Biden kind of thing, you know. In other words, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>in spirit, he was behind it all. We knew what

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, that's all they thought.

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<v Speaker 5>Or who knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's move on to the ancillary issue, which also is

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<v Speaker 4>actually raised by Biden's many mental troubles, which is the

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<v Speaker 4>sweeping pardons he's issued. Not only did he pardon Hunter Biden,

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<v Speaker 4>which we talked about before, but since we talked he

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<v Speaker 4>has now issued what his administration claimed this is the

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<v Speaker 4>most sweeping set of pardons in history, over one thousand,

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen hundred, including people who have defrauded cities and states

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<v Speaker 4>out of millions of dollars, including you know, various drug

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<v Speaker 5>Judges who let who took money to put probably innocent

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, in Pennsylvania. And although so one, he's almost definitely

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<v Speaker 4>wrong because the broadest set of pardons were issued to

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<v Speaker 4>draft dodgers right after Vietnam by Jimmy Carter, or by

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<v Speaker 4>Lincoln and Andrew Johnson, to all the Confederates. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>not even close. But he's still trying to make his mark.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's also I think raises the question we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>also talk about too much, which is do presidents have

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<v Speaker 4>this power to pardon people for things they haven't been

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<v Speaker 4>prosecuted or convicted for, or things that we don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know they did yet, Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, look, I mean I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people make a distinction, John, between prospective amnesties as was

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<v Speaker 3>done after the Civil War and after Vietnam, and pardons

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<v Speaker 3>are commutations of people who've actually been committed through the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, through due process and so there, if you

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<v Speaker 3>just use that categorization, Biden has set a new record,

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<v Speaker 3>even exceeding Franklin Roosevelt, who had, you know, twelve plus

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<v Speaker 3>years to parton people. They have admitted by the way

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<v Speaker 3>that they did not do these on a case by

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<v Speaker 3>out and found a lot of people. I have two

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<v Speaker 3>speculations again, One is, you know, you wonder if Biden

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<v Speaker 3>and his family are getting bribe for some of these

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<v Speaker 3>and or the number of them is meant to part

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<v Speaker 3>point two as cover for extending yet another round of

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<v Speaker 3>pardons to oh, I don't know, Biden's family and Biden

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<v Speaker 3>himself on his way out of office. You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>all those Floria partons, what's another couple for my brother

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<v Speaker 3>uh and and all the other people who did how

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<v Speaker 3>many suspicious bank reports, suspicious transaction reports? Did banks send

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<v Speaker 3>in on the I don't know it was it was

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I'm not sure it was one hundred, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was a large was.

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<v Speaker 5>Over one hundred. I saw those figure the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just unbelievable. And and you know, let us remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it'll be interesting to see a fight. Last point. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I have enjoyed again, you know, Trump winning on all fronts,

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<v Speaker 3>talk about well, we should prosecute Liz Cheney and the

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<v Speaker 3>January sixth Commission and maybe those fifty one intelligence officers.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, but I think this is a reverse syop.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucreati is big on sy ops from the left. I

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<v Speaker 3>think maybe this is a Trump syop. The idea being

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<v Speaker 3>that Biden will feel compelled to issue prospective pardons to

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<v Speaker 3>Liz Cheney, the January sixth Committee, all kinds of other people,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Trump's gets to say, well, they wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>needed a part, and if they didn't do anything wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>this is implicit recognition that they're guilty. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>So a couple of comments and questions. So the way

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<v Speaker 5>you described it at first is are you kind of

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<v Speaker 5>gave us two categories of pardons? John and one was

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<v Speaker 5>a pardon for a crime already committed, and then you

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<v Speaker 5>called it a prospective crime. And you said that as

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<v Speaker 5>a result of you know, prospective crime Confederates and draft dodgers.

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<v Speaker 5>But I see a distinction there as well. And that

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<v Speaker 5>distinction is everybody knows why the Confederates were being pardoned.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody knows why the draft dodgers were being pardoned, even

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<v Speaker 5>if they had not gone through the legal process necessary

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<v Speaker 5>to find them guilty of treason in the first case,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever draft dodging. There is a difference between that and

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<v Speaker 5>a prospective pardon that pardons for anything that might have happened, say,

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<v Speaker 5>in the case of Hunter Biden, right, it's not just

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<v Speaker 5>for the a pardon for the things he was actually

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<v Speaker 5>convicted of or pled guilty to. It's a a pardon

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<v Speaker 5>for anything that they might have found that was a

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<v Speaker 5>crime that he did in that entire period. Okay, that

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<v Speaker 5>was my first point. My second point, the White House

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<v Speaker 5>admitted to the fact that of those fifteen hundred pardons

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<v Speaker 5>that they didn't look into the specific of the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the crimes that they had committed or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>They just who knows where they got the fifteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 5>From my guess is donors you know, the crime Biden

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<v Speaker 5>crime family continues, but they confess to that. And I

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<v Speaker 5>bring that up to go back to Steve's point. If

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<v Speaker 5>they don't if they pardon fifteen hundred Americans, actually a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of Chinese you know, spies and things like that

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<v Speaker 5>as well, corrupt spies. They if they do that and

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<v Speaker 5>they don't look into the circumstances of you know what

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<v Speaker 5>it becomes much easier as a matter of record to say, well,

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<v Speaker 5>we're also going to pardon the Biden crime family, right,

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<v Speaker 5>conspiracy theorist. I'm just putting that out there as a

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<v Speaker 5>possible explanation. Why would you admit, if you're the White House,

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<v Speaker 5>that you pardon fifteen hundred people and didn't even look

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<v Speaker 5>into the circumstances under which they were initially convicted. Because

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<v Speaker 5>some of the story, as we pointed out to being

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<v Speaker 5>are horrendous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, if you go back to the flurry

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<v Speaker 3>of partons Bill Clinton gave on this last day in

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<v Speaker 3>office in two thousand and one, the people said his

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<v Speaker 3>motivation for doing that was his hatred of prosecutors and

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution he went through with the hands of Ken Starr.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, in addition to high level criminals like

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Rich who was guilty of what, you know, one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred million dollars in tax evasion. Oh and his wife

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<v Speaker 3>had pledged money to the Clinton Library. Gee, wasn't that funny?

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<v Speaker 3>Wink in a nod. But he also pardoned some really

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<v Speaker 3>bizarre criminals that you looked like they had to go

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<v Speaker 3>look for these. Oh and there were allegations that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a bribery in the background, you know, rumors around jail houses.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a good time to get a pardon from

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<v Speaker 3>Bill Clinton because he's in the mood. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>one of thems I recall vaguely was somebody who'd been

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<v Speaker 3>convicted on federal charges of rolling back odometers on used cars,

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<v Speaker 3>which wouldn't yeah, I mean really, so, so what's Biden's

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<v Speaker 3>motivation here? I think it's clearly personal and criminal on

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<v Speaker 3>his part, and not the animus you know, Bill Clinton, you,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was wrong, but you still understood why

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<v Speaker 3>he was angry because that he was Bill Clinton. But

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<v Speaker 3>why is Biden doing this? I think it has to

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<v Speaker 3>be for some very bad reasons.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, as we saw with the as you mentioned, also

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<v Speaker 4>with the Clinton pardons. We remember Mark Rich, who's right,

446
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<v Speaker 4>a wealthy financier's wife gave money to the Clintons. But

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<v Speaker 4>also remember he pardoned, if I remember, some members convicted

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<v Speaker 4>members of the Puerto Rican terrorist group, right, because he

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<v Speaker 4>was trying to sway the Puerto Rican vote for his

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<v Speaker 4>wife's future New York Senate campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so there was not just the outright bribery, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know, influenced paddling, which is what the Biden family

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<v Speaker 4>seems to excel at. So I bet once people have

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<v Speaker 4>a chance to look through all fifteen hundred pardons, and

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<v Speaker 4>as you say, more to come, we may see lots

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<v Speaker 4>of other connections. Now, the other point is why do

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<v Speaker 4>you harden the weird o dominator person? Why do you

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<v Speaker 4>pardon the.

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<v Speaker 3>Petty drug uetar.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's like when you shoot a missile at

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<v Speaker 4>somebody and you don't want them to shoot your missile down,

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<v Speaker 4>so you throw out lots of decoys and chaff too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Want to assassinate somebody, you blow up the McDonald's they're

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<v Speaker 5>in and kill forty people.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's not go overboard. Well, you know that's right. You

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<v Speaker 4>So there's thousands of people who have applications for pardons

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<v Speaker 4>with the Justice Department. There's actually a full time office

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<v Speaker 4>called the Office of Pardon Attorney, who goes through all

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<v Speaker 4>these and actually makes recommendations. And they don't recommend a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of them. But you know, Biden Price said, get

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<v Speaker 4>them all out, get them all out in the dusty shelves,

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<v Speaker 4>with part in everybody, and then slip in the ones

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<v Speaker 4>that I really care about too. They'll take them forever

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out which ones are important and which ones are.

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<v Speaker 5>So question about that. So the Office of Pardon Attorney

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<v Speaker 5>is that a partisan office? In other words, does it

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<v Speaker 5>change hands every single time? Or are they been meaning,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, corrupt.

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<v Speaker 4>Political hacks or its career and they.

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<v Speaker 5>Which means they're corrupt political hacks.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they're actually very they're known to be quite stingy

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<v Speaker 4>about recommending pardons. They really they don't recommend one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>a year or anything, maybe single digits a year or

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<v Speaker 4>maybe low double digits. But they're they actually I think

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<v Speaker 4>they're they're much stingier than presidents, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>So I have a question for you, John, Will you

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<v Speaker 5>now that you've you've seen the evidence, even from the

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<v Speaker 5>Inspector General who tried to minimize it as much as possible,

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<v Speaker 5>You've seen evidence that, in fact, the FBI was clearly

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<v Speaker 5>operating on January sixth, will you be in favor of

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<v Speaker 5>pardons for the January sixth protesters.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's amazing how one can read the same

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<v Speaker 4>document and have the opposite conclusions. Because I read that

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<v Speaker 4>document as there were no FBI officials there, and there

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<v Speaker 4>were what six informants twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>Nine that they admitted to not one single person of

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<v Speaker 5>whom has been prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I wouldn't prosecute the informants.

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<v Speaker 5>Well twenty nine? Which document did you read?

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<v Speaker 4>John?

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<v Speaker 5>You read it in the Washington Post, didn't you?

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<v Speaker 4>Awe hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I'm more I Well, I will pass

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<v Speaker 1>over the subject for the moment, except to say that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump himself has said that he will review the January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth defendants on.

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<v Speaker 3>A case by case basis. In the case to me

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<v Speaker 3>that he's going to pardon people who are just trespassers

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<v Speaker 3>and convicted on you know, selective grounds, and ones who

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<v Speaker 3>actually committed some violent acts either property destruction or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>assaulting a police officer. I think those numbers are much smaller,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm with the they.

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<v Speaker 5>Should none of them get any more punishment of consequences

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<v Speaker 5>of any kind than anybody who did a similar thing

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<v Speaker 5>in the twenty twenty riots.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, well that's right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my opinion. I would restore a lot of collectors.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are state prosecutions, all of them.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a lot of things that how much federal.

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<v Speaker 5>They assaulted federal courthouses, they assaulted Washington, d C. All

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<v Speaker 5>sorts of things happened there. Yeah, there were quite a

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<v Speaker 5>few federal prosecutions there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you could have anyway, but okay, well.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, there weren't federal prosecutions, but they were federal

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<v Speaker 5>crimes committed on federal property against.

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<v Speaker 4>Federal Anyone who committed violence against an officer and destroyed property,

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<v Speaker 4>when to kidnap and officials should should should be sentenced

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<v Speaker 4>to jail, regardless of how the people in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>were treated. Well, the failures there don't make up.

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<v Speaker 3>I think giving a pass to people.

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<v Speaker 4>Who genuinely wanted to stop the electoral count.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, I can grant the general principle there, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>just wait on a market that I don't think we

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<v Speaker 3>know the full story of the FBI on that day,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll see what Cashptel discovers and reveals as that

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<v Speaker 3>goes on. I think.

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<v Speaker 5>What Sorry, I was just gonna say, no, no, it's

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<v Speaker 5>not on your list, John, But I did want to

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<v Speaker 5>point out that the big, the big story that seems

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<v Speaker 5>to be across the board in which I think our

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<v Speaker 5>friend Rich Lowry addressed today and I forget where, uh

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<v Speaker 5>maybe it was a real clear politics article, was the

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<v Speaker 5>fact that, you know, people are screaming bloody murder about

546
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<v Speaker 5>the fact that he's going to go after Trump's political enemies.

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<v Speaker 5>Isn't that rich? And you know, because Cash Bettel himself

548
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<v Speaker 5>was the subject of an FBI investigation for trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get to the bottom of that crap Steele dossier business

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<v Speaker 5>in the Russian Russia Russia Russia hoax. He was investigated,

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<v Speaker 5>he was stonewalled by the FBI. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>just I can't even sort of wrap my head around

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<v Speaker 5>how duplicitous the press continues to be on some of

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<v Speaker 5>these things. But anyway, sorry, that wasn't on your list.

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<v Speaker 4>I just Steve pointed out that my prompt Biden to

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<v Speaker 4>parton more people than he would have wanted to, like

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<v Speaker 4>Liz Cheney or all the members of the January sixth committee,

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<v Speaker 4>or I'm not actually still sure why Senator Shift, Senator

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<v Speaker 4>b Schiff would want to part needs a pardon. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if Biden parts them all out, then it's

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<v Speaker 4>a great political victory for Trump because then he can

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<v Speaker 4>say they all accepted it because they did something wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I would actually, if I were Liz Cheney, I would

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<v Speaker 4>say I don't want to pardon right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that would be interesting, Yes, exactly, you can.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just not going to say that.

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<v Speaker 4>I promise that'd be interesting if fact she took a

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<v Speaker 4>part in that. Okay, let's let's I have the feeling

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<v Speaker 4>before January twenty we're going to be talking about this

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<v Speaker 4>subject again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's move on to the next issue, which is

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<v Speaker 4>all over the news, which is and the particular trigger

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<v Speaker 4>is not important, but its deeper meaning might be something

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<v Speaker 4>very important, which was the failure of Republicans to pass

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<v Speaker 4>a continuing resolution to keep the government open, but which

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<v Speaker 4>got larded up with lots and lots of extra provisions.

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump and Elon Musk demanded that Republicans voted down,

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<v Speaker 4>even though it was the draft presented by Speaker Speaker

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Speaker Mike Johnson. And after it was voted down,

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<v Speaker 4>and by the way, it was about one thousand pages long. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the one that was eventually passed was about one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>pages long. So after it was stripped down, just last night,

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<v Speaker 4>the House and Senate passed it and the government won't

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<v Speaker 4>be closing. It will be good, I believe, until March.

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<v Speaker 4>And then at that point the House and Senate, both

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<v Speaker 4>controlled by Republicans this time, can pass a broader, more

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<v Speaker 4>comprehensive built But the interesting thing, by the way, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think usually the public cares that much about continued resolutions.

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<v Speaker 3>They get done all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>But the interesting thing is that you're seeing all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of accusations now that one who's still president. How is

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<v Speaker 4>it that Donald Trump is deciding what they continued must

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<v Speaker 4>rather than the sitting president Joe Biden. And Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 4>been nowhere to be found about the continued resolution. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's one, and then two, as Luguci just said, there

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<v Speaker 4>are people saying Elon Musk is too powerful are we

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<v Speaker 4>becoming like a Russian oligarchy where the rich business people

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<v Speaker 4>are really calling the shots behind the politicians. So, Steve,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you think about the cr But also it's deeper.

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<v Speaker 3>Political meaning Yeah, by the way, first of all, count

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<v Speaker 3>me is shocked, shocked, and any billionaire not named Sorel

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<v Speaker 3>or Bloomberg might want to be involved in politics, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean selective indignation as usual. Look, Lucretia may jump

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<v Speaker 3>on me for this, I don't know. I actually think

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<v Speaker 3>the outcome of this was a minor victory for the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's why. The original bill of fifteen hundred pages

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<v Speaker 3>was a travesty, not just with a spending but because

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<v Speaker 3>Johnson preemptively conceded he would need Democratic votes to pass it,

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<v Speaker 3>he allowed them to stick all kinds of policy writers

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<v Speaker 3>in there. So some of these didn't involve money at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but there was immunity for the January sixth Committee was

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<v Speaker 3>written into the bill. There was also this one passage

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<v Speaker 3>I saw where they redefined offenders for criminal statutes as

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<v Speaker 3>justice involved individuals. This is this usement. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>would think the election November hadn't happened. To read somebody's euphemisms,

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<v Speaker 3>sneaking in lots of stuff like this. Why were those.

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<v Speaker 5>Money out congressional salary raises? Did that end up in there?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it did or not. And they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the debt seeing increase that Trump wanted. But

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<v Speaker 3>the point is all those things, most of those things,

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<v Speaker 3>as I understand it, were stripped out of the final bill.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think what happened was is, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>just love this that the Democrats started yelling about Musk

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<v Speaker 3>and Trump and the evil Republicans are going to block

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<v Speaker 3>cancer research for kids, which is some new research program

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<v Speaker 3>that somebody lobbied for. Okay, fine, as well as the

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred billion dollars in disaster relief, which seems rather

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<v Speaker 3>high to me. But now here's the let me finish this.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the point is, at some point in the last

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<v Speaker 3>thirty six forty eight hours, somebody got smart and said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, we can break us up into parts

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<v Speaker 3>and bring every single part of this up for an

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<v Speaker 3>up or down vote, and then you'd pass the disaster relief,

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<v Speaker 3>you might pass the cancer research bill, you wouldn't pass

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of other things. And I think that scared

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of Democrats that they didn't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this whole game has always benefited them, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think Republicans got clever about this, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>think without going through the whole thing, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>had time to and I probably won't, I think exodus

642
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<v Speaker 3>was not a terrible outcome. But we'll see what the sequel.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only for two months. We've got to go through

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<v Speaker 3>this all over again in February, apparently, or something has

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<v Speaker 3>to happen in February. It has to be either.

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<v Speaker 4>It has to be an initial Yeah, and this is

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<v Speaker 4>when the Republican majorities have their greatest advantage.

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<v Speaker 3>There has to be right.

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<v Speaker 4>Was called reconciliation, which is why there's a budget actually

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<v Speaker 4>voted on and spending is actually voted on. But the

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<v Speaker 4>key thing is filibuster rule is waived, so knowing you

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<v Speaker 4>a simple majority get that through, that's how the Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>have historically gotten most of their major Now it has

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<v Speaker 4>to do my memory of it, and having done this

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<v Speaker 4>in the Senate was this requires that the legislation be

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<v Speaker 4>related to the budget, So it has to do with

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<v Speaker 4>spending or taxing. It can't just be banning something you

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<v Speaker 4>don't like, yeah, so it does have to be financially

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<v Speaker 4>but that's when Trump and the Republican drives will be

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<v Speaker 4>at their highest. And note it has to happen every year,

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<v Speaker 4>so Trump will get two bites at the apple beginning

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<v Speaker 4>of the next year and beginning of twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>And hopefully this has been a warning shot to Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>in the Senate and everywhere that you know what, people

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<v Speaker 3>are paying attention and want you to quit being a

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<v Speaker 3>certain species of spinelessness that Lucretia likes to say, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, just one last thing, that's the politics of

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<v Speaker 4>it is that this was always something that Democrats have

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<v Speaker 4>always been better than repeats that because if you're a Democrat,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have control of all three branches, well, you

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<v Speaker 4>hold the whole thing hostage. And so Schumer's very good

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<v Speaker 4>at refusing to vote through this cr until he gets

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<v Speaker 4>it right, but you know, spending and taxing riders that

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<v Speaker 4>he wants, and then if it doesn't happen the government

676
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<v Speaker 4>shuts down, then they blame it on the Republicans. Democrats

677
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 4>never seem to get blamed for government shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently, the House passed the Research Program for childhood cancer,

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<v Speaker 3>and Schumer never took it up in the Senate. So

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<v Speaker 3>there you go, proof of your point.

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<v Speaker 5>Yah shumor's the problem in a lot of things. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>so a couple of things. I want to go back

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<v Speaker 5>to the thing that you know. Steve just sort of

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<v Speaker 5>dismissed it as if it wasn't important, the whole idea

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<v Speaker 5>that they were going to raise congressional salaries by forty percent. Yeah, wow, Okay, Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>There is something called the twenty seventh Amendment, part of

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<v Speaker 5>the Original Bill of Rights that was finally passed in

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen ninety two, which says that any law that changes

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<v Speaker 5>the salary of members of Congress cannot take place until

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<v Speaker 5>after the next congressional election. So if they had done that,

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<v Speaker 5>it wouldn't have got it wouldn't have been an effect

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<v Speaker 5>till the next Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, correct, But well, I think there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>election election.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, this Congress is still the sitting it Okay, it

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<v Speaker 4>says election.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't say until the next Congress. It says the election.

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<v Speaker 4>But this I think, because of the way the rules

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<v Speaker 4>are read, that this actually still counts as the preceding congress.

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<v Speaker 4>So the salary effect would have taken effect in January.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it doesn't say that the sitting Congress. It says

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<v Speaker 5>the election of the next Congress. So it couldn't take

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<v Speaker 5>place until the next November. After the next November. In

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<v Speaker 5>other words, what would be the point of doing that.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole idea is you want people who voted for

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<v Speaker 5>their own pay rais to stand for re election and

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00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 5>have the public know about it. Anyway, Enough about that,

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<v Speaker 5>because I don't know where that stands, But I want

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<v Speaker 5>to bring up the other thing that Elon Musk is.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was so brilliant about not just putting it

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<v Speaker 5>on X and having you know, people pay attention. But

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00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 5>the reason he was able to do that with the

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen hundred page bill before most members of Congress could

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<v Speaker 5>have even thought about skimming it, he had Grock his

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<v Speaker 5>his you know, Elon's AI go through and it's the

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<v Speaker 5>algorithms are trained to find wasteful government spending. So all

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<v Speaker 5>over X you had the examples like the kind that

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<v Speaker 5>Steve was talking about. And so what happened was on

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<v Speaker 5>X Elon was able to amass an immediate and widespread

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<v Speaker 5>public outrage against the spending in this bill and create

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<v Speaker 5>an instantaneous movement unlike anything we've ever seen before, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to point that out, and that's why

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<v Speaker 5>the bill was killed in almost no time. Really is

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what do you think about these arguments that are coming,

726
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<v Speaker 4>of course, from President Trump's critics, who are saying that

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<v Speaker 4>Elon Musk actually has too much power for a private citizen.

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<v Speaker 5>We didn't complain about it when Zuckerberg and uh what

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<v Speaker 5>was that that that bearded, filthy guy from that used

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<v Speaker 5>to be on Twitter?

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<v Speaker 3>What was his name, Jack Dorsey? Jack Dorsey?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, those same people weren't complaining about how much

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<v Speaker 5>control they had over the twenty twenty election and the censoring.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no problem with the left countering well, and

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<v Speaker 5>they tried countering what Elon Musk put on on acts.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean they tried to say, oh, well, don't you

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<v Speaker 5>understand people are going to be without uh disaster aid?

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<v Speaker 5>And you know that that that despic I saw the

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<v Speaker 5>funniest thing on x You guys probably don't even know

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<v Speaker 5>who this is, but there was a Cajun singer who

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<v Speaker 5>is very popular in the seventies named Doug Kershaw.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't oxymon Cajun singing.

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<v Speaker 5>But go ahead, well, I mean that's honestly, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 5>what we're saying. But he looks like Rosa de Laurel.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, Yes, it was a meme that said, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>here's here's what happened to Doug Kershaw. Anyway, you know

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<v Speaker 5>that they're just screaming about it everywhere. But it's so

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<v Speaker 5>transparently stupid that they they're getting nowhere. I mean, Elon

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<v Speaker 5>Musk didn't make anything happen. He didn't have any influence

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<v Speaker 5>other than getting people, the citizens who for whom members

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<v Speaker 5>of Congress work to pay attention to what's going on

752
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<v Speaker 5>and say, no, we don't want this. That's not so

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<v Speaker 5>much that's democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's I think it's actually pretty simple, John.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, first of all, they're talking about President Musk.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to drive a wedge between Trump and Musk

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<v Speaker 3>on the view that Trump's ego won't allow Musk to

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<v Speaker 3>get all this tension and praise. And ordinarily you might

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<v Speaker 3>think that work, except my hunch about it is Trump

760
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.239
<v Speaker 3>really likes Musk and respects him for his accomplishments, and

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<v Speaker 3>it will be a much harder wedge to drive through

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<v Speaker 3>than people think. But second and related, it's this is

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<v Speaker 3>the primal scream of the left and losing an institution

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<v Speaker 3>they thought they owned, which is Twitter, right, you see

765
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<v Speaker 3>all them bailing out for Blue Sky and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>So just as the left has a temper tantrum when

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<v Speaker 3>they lose control of the Supreme Court or any institution,

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00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 3>they're mad about social media slipping away from their control

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<v Speaker 3>and therefore losing control of the narrative. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the narrative above all else for the left these days.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that explains their primal scheme about Musk.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that Musk is it probably gets this.

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<v Speaker 3>And this boy, is he going to have fun because

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<v Speaker 3>once you realize you can push their buttons so easily,

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<v Speaker 3>he'll push it more often.

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's absolutely true, and I think it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, you know, the fact that Blue Sky has

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<v Speaker 5>turned out to be just it's not a kindler, gentler place.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's it's being taken over very quickly by the

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<v Speaker 5>most extreme of the extreme left, who will not tolerate,

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<v Speaker 5>for instance, someone who's gay complaining about radical transgender surgery

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00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 5>for three year olds. You know, they won't tolerate it.

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<v Speaker 5>They'll they'll dox them, they'll put out their addresses. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just a really really awful place. Have at it,

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<v Speaker 5>my friends, go ahead and get in your echo chambers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Blue Sky has banned some people who joined up,

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<v Speaker 3>like Jesse Single, the Social Scientists, before they've even posted anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Just you know, we know they're bad people, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to ban them before the.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Luckily, I have no idea what any of

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<v Speaker 4>you are talking about, because I or any of those things.

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<v Speaker 4>I just stick to, you know, primitive sources like Facebook

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<v Speaker 4>and LinkedIn. But that brings us to one more in

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<v Speaker 4>Washington Post. Yeah, the Washington Post and the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 4>And someone has to tell you what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucretian, Yeah, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>One last big I think, pretty big piece of news,

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<v Speaker 4>delicious piece of news that came out before we maybe

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<v Speaker 4>turned to reader Mail Hadley. We're talking about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, is.

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<v Speaker 4>Lucretia's favorite public figure. Big Fanny. She lost lost badly,

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<v Speaker 4>was disqualified kicked off the Trump prosecution because of her

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<v Speaker 4>decision to hire her boyfriend to be the special counsel,

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00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 4>paying six hundred thousand dollars, even though he had no

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00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 4>criminal felony trial experience, and so the Georgia Appeals Court

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<v Speaker 4>actually reversed the trial judge who had sat in and

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<v Speaker 4>ordered and said it on all of those oh dreadful

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<v Speaker 4>hearings asking about the location of the boyfriend and Big

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<v Speaker 4>Fanny at the same day and the same times, and

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<v Speaker 4>the trial judge had said that she could stay on

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00:43:56.440 --> 00:44:00.519
<v Speaker 4>the case as long as the boyfriend with drew, so

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00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.320
<v Speaker 4>he withdrew, and the appeals court actually said, no, you

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<v Speaker 4>all have a conflict of interest. You all have to

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<v Speaker 4>get off the case. Lucretia vindicated again after waiting years

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<v Speaker 4>for her vindication. Wins on yet another one.

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<v Speaker 5>I have to tell you, John, I was very pleased

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<v Speaker 5>by your article about the subject, the Fox News article,

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<v Speaker 5>but I was disappointed that you didn't introduce it in

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<v Speaker 5>the same way you did in our email, which was

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<v Speaker 5>using my favorite Big Fanny Willis. I think that would

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<v Speaker 5>have been I was a little disappointed on that one, John,

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<v Speaker 5>but otherwise the article was excellent. I think Steve should

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<v Speaker 5>should link to it in the show notes, just because

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<v Speaker 5>it reminds me it was basically the same argument I

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<v Speaker 5>made a little bit earlier about Cash Pttel, which is

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<v Speaker 5>that you see these people who are you know, who

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<v Speaker 5>were so willing to go after Trump now being very

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<v Speaker 5>very worried about the same thing being done to them,

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<v Speaker 5>and so on, and the second and third order consequences

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<v Speaker 5>of big Fannies prosecution of Trump. We could because the

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<v Speaker 5>at the state level, all the Biden pardons in the

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<v Speaker 5>world won't make a difference, just like they wouldn't if

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<v Speaker 5>you know this, this prosecution continues against Trump. But that

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't mean, as you point out, that we wouldn't see

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<v Speaker 5>state attorney generals across in red states, especially maybe even

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<v Speaker 5>in red counties like in the god awful place you

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<v Speaker 5>guys live. What a pretty place it is. So I

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<v Speaker 5>just have to say that anyway, how sad and we

840
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<v Speaker 5>won't see that. We could very well see prosecutions of

841
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<v Speaker 5>even of Hunter Biden continuing by state attorneys and there's

842
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 5>nothing that pardon will do for that. So it was

843
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<v Speaker 5>an interesting article. I appreciated it.

844
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<v Speaker 4>You saw that the Hunter Biden was prosecuted for tax

845
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 4>evasion in Los Angeles. That means he has activity related

846
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 4>to his conspiracy course through LA. Maybe the DA of

847
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 4>Orange County might want to take a look or the

848
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<v Speaker 4>da of Riverside or Sam Bernardino, which are more red counties.

849
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<v Speaker 5>Would double jeopardy apply there about that?

850
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 4>No, double jeopardy only applies to crimes prosecutions brought by

851
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 4>the same government. So you can be prosecuted by California

852
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 4>King the US government for the same acts. Actually, there's

853
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 4>Justice Thomas has written a sense questioning whether that's constitutional,

854
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.079
<v Speaker 4>whether that's faithful with the original understanding. On the other

855
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 4>the Streme Courts that has upheld it for at least

856
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and seventy five years.

857
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 5>Although to be fair, John really quickly, I know this's

858
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 5>totally off topic, but one hundred and seventy five years

859
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 5>ago you could understand the Supreme Court, Even though I

860
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 5>despise the Supreme Court most of the time, especial one

861
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.320
<v Speaker 5>hundred and seventy five years ago, you could understand them

862
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.199
<v Speaker 5>agreeing that different levels of government prosecuting the same person

863
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 5>for essentially the same act, at least if not the

864
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 5>same crime was appropriate. That was, of course, before federal

865
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.159
<v Speaker 5>law took up entire libraries of you know, laws that

866
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 5>actually reached down to the conduct of individual citizens. And

867
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.239
<v Speaker 5>I think that maybe I haven't read what you're talking about.

868
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 5>For Thomas, I should go read it that dissent, because

869
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 5>I do think that there's a kind of there's a

870
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 5>qualitative difference between say, you know, prosecuting the Rodney King

871
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:40.480
<v Speaker 5>officers for violations of his civil rights. You know, there's

872
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 5>just it all seems I'm not arguing in the stations.

873
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 4>No, No, it's a good question. In the Rodney King case,

874
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 4>for example, or any similar case like that, you had

875
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 4>a jury that acquitted them, and then it was the

876
00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 4>double jeopardy provision really can't stop the federal government from

877
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 4>basically trying to overturn the jury verdict by bringing a

878
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 4>new case based on the same facts.

879
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you realize, John, that to pursue that line

880
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 3>of argument to a new jurisprudence will involved invoking the

881
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.920
<v Speaker 3>fundamental principles of natural law. I'm just putting that.

882
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Get out of here. There's a constitutional text here. It's

883
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 4>called the double jeopardy clause.

884
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<v Speaker 3>For christ everything's been said. I mean, you know, it's

885
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.079
<v Speaker 3>what took them so long? Is the only question in

886
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.280
<v Speaker 3>my mind? To hand fanny her fanny as I.

887
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<v Speaker 4>Put it, Okay, good, let Leeds, we got some minutes

888
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<v Speaker 4>to uh return to reader mail and fans fans, it's

889
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 4>not just any reader. Steve received a lengthy miss of

890
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 4>from Hadley Arkis, Emeritis professor from Amherst College, one of

891
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 4>the most I think distinguished American natural law political theorists

892
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.280
<v Speaker 4>in the country, and he had some thoughts to add

893
00:48:59.360 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 4>about this.

894
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 5>First, say what they were?

895
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 4>Fourteenth Yeah, the fourteenth Amendment in the conversation is no.

896
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.400
<v Speaker 4>I was going to ask Steve to introduce, uh, you know,

897
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 4>maybe read some of Hadley's comments because he wants to,

898
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, Hadlee, Hadley can't let go, can't let an

899
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 4>argument go, even when that he wasn't the.

900
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 5>Part of except I want to point out before Steve starts,

901
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 5>because I know he won't read this part where he says, basically,

902
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 5>I agree with everything Linda said.

903
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true. He didn't say that, right, So let's just.

904
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 5>Start by saying, you know, he says it much better

905
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.320
<v Speaker 5>than I ever could, of course, and that's probably what

906
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 5>he really meant when he said I agree with what

907
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 5>Linda said and then had to go through and explain

908
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 5>it all because I don't do that very well. But anyway,

909
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:48.039
<v Speaker 5>let's get that on the table before you continue. Thank you, Steve. O.

910
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is actually kind of hard to summarize. Here's

911
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 3>what happened is John, I responded to with provocation of

912
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 3>John's from his article at the Cimitas new website. That's,

913
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 3>by the way, spectacle looking website. I have to say,

914
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.679
<v Speaker 3>and you mentioned Hadden, We're both contributed, and we both

915
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 3>contributed to it. More to come. I've already gotten a

916
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.960
<v Speaker 3>second John. The creature will be too. The creature will

917
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.280
<v Speaker 3>be contributing to good good. Okay, we mentioned Hammer v. Dagenhart,

918
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 3>the case I haven't read in years. Let me explain.

919
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<v Speaker 4>Let me actually explain. O, go ahead, and then you

920
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:23.199
<v Speaker 4>can understand what what we were arguing about last week,

921
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<v Speaker 4>and then what Hadley Hadley's further commentary.

922
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 3>Which I thought was really good. Yeah, adds. So this

923
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 3>is the question of.

924
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<v Speaker 4>Can Congress prohibit interstate traffic and certain kinds of goods

925
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:42.360
<v Speaker 4>or services not based on what the products are, but

926
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 4>how they were made. So this was the case of

927
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 4>child labor. So in the late nineteenth century of progressives

928
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 4>at both the state and federal level, I wanted to

929
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 4>prohibit child labor. I think we could all agree child

930
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 4>labor is a terrible practice. It was not clear which

931
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.679
<v Speaker 4>level government could handle it. So the federal government tried

932
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 4>to say, we will prohibit the interstate transportation of goods

933
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 4>that were made with child labor. There's also actually interesting

934
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 4>they try to do it through direct prohibition and through attacks.

935
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 4>Actually they tried to impose an excise tax also on

936
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 4>products being used of child labor. The Supreme Court rejected this,

937
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:26.679
<v Speaker 4>and it said the products themselves were perfectly innocent. I

938
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 4>think at that time was mostly clothing. Yeah, we're perfectly innocent.

939
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 4>So you can't punish those goods because you're trying to

940
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 4>reach into manufacturing. The intention of Congress to impose these

941
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 4>regulations made the regulations unconstitutional because at the same time,

942
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 4>the court had held in the past and I just

943
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 4>don't think this has really mattered dispute that Congress, under

944
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 4>the interstate commerce clause can just choose to bar goods

945
00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:00.199
<v Speaker 4>from traveling cross state lines, innocent or not. We just

946
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 4>have the discussion to say, we just don't want this

947
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.039
<v Speaker 4>product to be sold in interstate commerce. So that's what

948
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 4>we were essentially arguing out last week, right was how

949
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 4>far can Congress go in using its commerce clause? To

950
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 4>regulate the national market. And I that's what Lucutian I

951
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 4>argue about. So that's Steve. This is where Hadley thought

952
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.960
<v Speaker 4>that our debate needed some further further intervention.

953
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, he writes about this case at great LinkedIn

954
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 3>is great book on George Sutherland. That's thirty years ago.

955
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Now he said, hey, haven't you read my book? And

956
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I said, oh wait, I read it thirty years ago

957
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.119
<v Speaker 3>and I've kind of forgotten my bad. But he points

958
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 3>out that, look, the statute in question affect at North Carolina.

959
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 3>It was one of the states that came up in

960
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:48.400
<v Speaker 3>the case before the court. Now, North Carolina had banned

961
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.400
<v Speaker 3>child labor by state statute for younger than twelve, but

962
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 3>the federal law was fourteen. And what's the reason for

963
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 3>making distinction between twelve and fourteen. There was no real

964
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 3>moral argument prevented to the court or deliberated by the

965
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.079
<v Speaker 3>court about you know why. Instead they talked about unfair

966
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 3>competition and lots of other stuff.

967
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

968
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<v Speaker 3>And Hadley points out that we still have laws on

969
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 3>the books today that, for example, ban the interstate transport

970
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 3>of what is it fetal tissue, you know, a production

971
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.280
<v Speaker 3>of abortion, and you know and that I guess is

972
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.840
<v Speaker 3>still good law. And of course what what that gets

973
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 3>to is a moral themselves that was part of itselves. Right.

974
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:33.079
<v Speaker 4>Here's my So his point is that Congress. Maybe I'm

975
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.000
<v Speaker 4>overreading it, but I thought what he was saying to you,

976
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 4>and I believe this is why he sent a southern

977
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 4>of the book, is that there has to be some

978
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 4>kind of moral component, yes to what Congress does with

979
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 4>the Commerce Clause power. In fact, I think Hadley would

980
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:48.960
<v Speaker 4>say to all uses of federal power, but he was saying,

981
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 4>there's no moral justification for this law, given that states

982
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.760
<v Speaker 4>were already prohibiting. Well, but my point is that's not

983
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 4>part of the Commerce Clause. There's nothing of the Constitution

984
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 4>that says the Commerce Clause has to actually be used

985
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.039
<v Speaker 4>for morally beneficial purposes.

986
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, but what is the ah this implicates the whole

987
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.320
<v Speaker 3>rational basis test that which I think we have to

988
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 3>put off more discussion to a later date. But it's

989
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:20.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, who's deciding these things and how and what?

990
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, we ought to have some grounding for these

991
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.480
<v Speaker 3>kinds of decisions, not just that the powers there, But

992
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I could I just add one little factory, you know,

993
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 3>our great friend, Richard Epstein, points out because he looked

994
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.400
<v Speaker 3>at the data that by the time this case was heard,

995
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 3>child labor was declining fast everywhere. Why because of economic

996
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 3>growth and progress, and so in a certain sense, federal

997
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 3>or state statues were obsolete by the time these things

998
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:44.239
<v Speaker 3>reached the court.

999
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 4>That's all true. The question, though, is why is that

1000
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 4>up to the court. That's up to people in Congress

1001
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 4>to think about and vote about. But why does it

1002
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 4>matter to review the Commerce clause, whether the ban is effectual,

1003
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 4>even whether it makes sense, whether has a moral or

1004
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.400
<v Speaker 4>a moral purpose. So this is a hypothet I was gonna.

1005
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I was asking Lucretia, do you think that Congress can't

1006
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:13.760
<v Speaker 4>ban interstate traffic in a good or service that actually

1007
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.320
<v Speaker 4>everyone thinks is a good idea?

1008
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 5>Like?

1009
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 4>Can Congress not use its Congress Clause power for an

1010
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.440
<v Speaker 4>immoral or you know, you know the bad purpose is

1011
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Suppose suppose actually the adult now maybe it works. I

1012
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 4>suppose Congress got taken over by pro choice people and

1013
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:37.039
<v Speaker 4>they said, we want to allow traffic in dead fetuses

1014
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 4>and you know, body parts, and we will allow the

1015
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 4>interstate traffic in it. We're gonna lift the ban.

1016
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:48.559
<v Speaker 5>So that's a really good question, John. And here's part

1017
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 5>of the problem. And I always have this problem a

1018
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.000
<v Speaker 5>little bit with Steve, especially you a little bit less

1019
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 5>and that is like the response to our friend Ryan Williams.

1020
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.400
<v Speaker 5>I'll come back to that. On the one hand, would

1021
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.159
<v Speaker 5>I think that initially the Supreme Court would have ever

1022
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.119
<v Speaker 5>gotten involved in those kinds of questions, No, don't. I

1023
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 5>don't think so. And I don't think they would have

1024
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:14.320
<v Speaker 5>necessarily been considered the moral implications of the law that

1025
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 5>was outlawing, you know what, the law was outlawing one

1026
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.199
<v Speaker 5>way or the other. We are now at a place, though,

1027
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 5>where the Commerce Clause is a meaningless limitation on anything

1028
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:30.280
<v Speaker 5>that Congress does other than you know, the individual mandate.

1029
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.079
<v Speaker 5>But they got around that too, so we're okay with

1030
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.639
<v Speaker 5>My point is it's really hard to look at you

1031
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.639
<v Speaker 5>and say, yeah, you know, the Supreme Court shouldn't use

1032
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:43.119
<v Speaker 5>its powers to reign in Congress. When it does X,

1033
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.159
<v Speaker 5>Y and Z, it's not gonna it's I mean, I

1034
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:48.760
<v Speaker 5>don't see any evidence it's raining it in on anything.

1035
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 5>And so in some ways it's kind of the hypothetical.

1036
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 5>I get what you're trying to get me at get

1037
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.519
<v Speaker 5>at with me here, but it just it doesn't even

1038
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.199
<v Speaker 5>make sense to me. I'd have to return to what

1039
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 5>I think is the original understanding of the Commerce Clause,

1040
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 5>which you and I don't disagree as much as you

1041
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 5>think we do, because I don't think I was as

1042
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 5>clear as I could have been on it last week.

1043
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 5>And that is I'm not saying Congress doesn't have very

1044
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:21.519
<v Speaker 5>extensive interstate commerce powers, and that b that those powers

1045
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 5>are very difficult to define with any kind of you know, clarity.

1046
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.559
<v Speaker 5>I guess it would be the word and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>clear rationale. But I also think that the interstate Commerce

1048
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:39.079
<v Speaker 5>Clause is a limitation on Congress's power. And how we

1049
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 5>return to that, I'm not quite sure. I don't think

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00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.079
<v Speaker 5>that Congress's power should have been an extended, you know,

1051
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.800
<v Speaker 5>to like it was in Wicker versus Philbourn as we

1052
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:50.239
<v Speaker 5>talked about like it, you know, all of those kinds

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00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:53.400
<v Speaker 5>of things. I'm not sure that we need Congress legislating

1054
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.280
<v Speaker 5>on most of the kind of stuff that it does

1055
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 5>now under the Commerce Clause. I think when it's a

1056
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:06.079
<v Speaker 5>genuine conflict between the states, when it's genuinely national in scope,

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00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 5>I get your argument that you know, what commerce isn't anymore? Okay,

1058
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.239
<v Speaker 5>But does that mean that we should look at the

1059
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 5>Commerce Clause as an unlimited grant of power to Congress

1060
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 5>just because something might cross state lines. That's what I

1061
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 5>was trying to get at last time, and I didn't

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00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 5>do a very good job of it. And I don't

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00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 5>know that you disagree with me on that, John, I

1064
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 5>don't know that the extent of the powers that Congress

1065
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 5>has exercised under the Commerce Clause have actually been all

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00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 5>that salutary in terms of making sure that a national

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00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.280
<v Speaker 5>economy works. That would be my argument, but that would

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00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 5>take a long time to spell out and defend, I think.

1069
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.079
<v Speaker 5>But that's my opinion, and you probably that's where I

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00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 5>think we disagree.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do disagree with that, because I do think

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00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:00.599
<v Speaker 4>that the use of federal power has been very important

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00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:04.039
<v Speaker 4>to the success of a national market, because otherwise you'd

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00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 4>have states erecting protection States have long there's a lot

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00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.360
<v Speaker 4>of Supreme Court cases of all the clever things states

1076
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 4>have tried to do to engage in protectionists.

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00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so let me which is.

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00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:18.159
<v Speaker 4>Only natural for them because that's what their constituents would want, right,

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00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:22.400
<v Speaker 4>It's just like why nations impose engagement protectionism.

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<v Speaker 5>Too, no hypothetical. Real Let me give you two real

1081
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 5>situations one the both of them come from your guys's

1082
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.960
<v Speaker 5>god awful state. The first one was the whole pork business.

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00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 5>Remember that. Yeah, I don't even remember the details of it,

1084
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 5>but you know, the California wasn't going to sell anything

1085
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 5>that was produced where pork was produced in conditions you know,

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00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 5>pigs lived in conditions they didn't approve of. That was

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00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:50.880
<v Speaker 5>one and the other one, of course, pigs, yeah right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 5>And then the second one, These are two different examples

1089
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.719
<v Speaker 5>with two different results, if I remember correctly. And the

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00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.000
<v Speaker 5>second one, of course, was the the fact that California

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01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:05.440
<v Speaker 5>is environmental laws of emissions laws are so much stricter that,

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01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:10.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, car companies started making cars to meet California

1093
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 5>emission standards when other states didn't want any part of it,

1094
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.639
<v Speaker 5>you know, beyond federal law. Nothing Congress has ever done

1095
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.719
<v Speaker 5>actually stepped into either one of those circumstances. What happened

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01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:21.920
<v Speaker 5>in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Case, Actually that's not true, but that's certain.

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01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that certain act whose name I'm not allowed not

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01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:32.320
<v Speaker 3>allowed to mention, gave granted California specific power to set

1101
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.599
<v Speaker 3>their own emission standards. I think that's a mistake and

1102
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.920
<v Speaker 3>it's contestable, and that's how they get away with it.

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01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:39.719
<v Speaker 3>And the car companies say, look, we don't want to

1104
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.960
<v Speaker 3>be making cars for different markets. So whatever California does

1105
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.199
<v Speaker 3>will make for everybody.

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01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Even with gas prices. That works. But I guess that

1107
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.320
<v Speaker 5>actually proves my point though, Steve. But because the first point,

1108
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:51.599
<v Speaker 5>and again I'm remembering this, I'm not quite as committed

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01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:52.440
<v Speaker 5>to bacon as you are.

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01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 3>But but I am from I am from lady.

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01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:03.400
<v Speaker 5>I know, lad, I'm from Iowa have pigs that I knew.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll just leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that I met on farm, I've mean pigs that

1114
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 4>I would like to know.

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01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 5>But anyway, my point is is that that kind of

1116
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:18.159
<v Speaker 5>fell by the wayside. I mean that inflation causes but

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01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.079
<v Speaker 5>pig farmers in Iowas that go, screw yourself, excuse my language,

1118
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:26.199
<v Speaker 5>to California. We won't sell to California if that's your problem.

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01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:28.920
<v Speaker 5>And and so I think there's an example.

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<v Speaker 4>John Shuware, Yeah, no, Lucretia raises the dormant commerce clause,

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01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.840
<v Speaker 4>which is a great topic which I don't know we

1122
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.559
<v Speaker 4>could get to, but I think that I would say

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01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 4>federal power should allow the federal government to squash both

1124
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 4>of those regulations. Congress chose not to have Steve said

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01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 4>in that that's that act which cannot be named. The

1126
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Congress actually does prevent most states from doing what California does,

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01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:58.840
<v Speaker 4>but it gave California a waiver. Congress actually did use

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01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:00.880
<v Speaker 4>the Commerce clause parer example about.

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01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 5>The pigs inappropriately.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean, but it's bad policy, but it's

1131
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.320
<v Speaker 4>not unconstitutional. And then the other one about the pigs.

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01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't think anyone doubts that Congress could, under the

1133
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:15.639
<v Speaker 4>Commerce Clause pass the law overruling California's special you know,

1134
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:17.559
<v Speaker 4>dainty pig law or whatever.

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01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 5>If California to apply in the state of California what

1136
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 5>can be sold in the state of California.

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01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 4>And that's part of my broad reading of the Commerce

1138
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:32.840
<v Speaker 4>Clause that the I do think the Commerce Clause prevents

1139
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.840
<v Speaker 4>states from prohibiting the import of products from other states.

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<v Speaker 3>But the court is declined to hear to challenge to

1141
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 3>this law, I.

1142
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<v Speaker 4>Think right, because there's no there's no federal law. And

1143
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:43.440
<v Speaker 4>so this is the big change in the dorm of

1144
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.000
<v Speaker 4>Commerce clause. Since Congress wasn't out there doing this job,

1145
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.880
<v Speaker 4>the courts basically took the power on themselves to start

1146
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 4>striking down state laws like California's. But this new Trump

1147
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 4>conservative majority, they said, courts aren't going to be in

1148
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.920
<v Speaker 4>this business.

1149
01:02:59.039 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 3>If people want to.

1150
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:03.880
<v Speaker 4>Stop California from discriminating against imports, Congress should.

1151
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:07.039
<v Speaker 5>Do it, not or the states themselves.

1152
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know, you could have retaliatory You could

1153
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 4>have easily other states start to pass retaliatory trade sanctions

1154
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:17.519
<v Speaker 4>against California wine.

1155
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 5>I mean they did that with things like Sorry, Arizona's

1156
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 5>constantly was constantly sort of being uh punished by other

1157
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:29.920
<v Speaker 5>states because of you know, they didn't do this, or

1158
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:32.639
<v Speaker 5>they didn't do that, they didn't pass Martin Luther King

1159
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.440
<v Speaker 5>Day and you know things like that.

1160
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:36.639
<v Speaker 4>And so this is why I think we need to

1161
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:40.559
<v Speaker 4>have a broad Commresce clause because once states start passing,

1162
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, discriminatory trade measures against each other, you're gonna

1163
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.360
<v Speaker 4>have retaliatory trade wars between we do.

1164
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And it.

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<v Speaker 5>Is my argument.

1166
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.039
<v Speaker 4>I think the pork products are much more expensive in

1167
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:55.000
<v Speaker 4>California now.

1168
01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:01.519
<v Speaker 5>California fix it. Yeah, but it's not I I just bought.

1169
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:06.800
<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, I just bought fight again fourteen again.

1170
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:11.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm speechless that you're disregard for the value the virtues

1171
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.320
<v Speaker 4>of having a unified national marketplace with standardized rules brings

1172
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.920
<v Speaker 4>cheaper prices and better quality products for everybody.

1173
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.239
<v Speaker 3>In the case. That's because she's not a grubby utilitarian John.

1174
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.159
<v Speaker 3>That's why. So I think we should.

1175
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.199
<v Speaker 4>We have one more piece of reader may which we

1176
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.800
<v Speaker 4>are going to wait to discuss next week, but just

1177
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.280
<v Speaker 4>as a preview, is very interesting question about can how

1178
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.079
<v Speaker 4>far can the federal government go in regulating private conduct

1179
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.960
<v Speaker 4>for civil rights violations. That's another reader question. Well, unfortunately

1180
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:42.480
<v Speaker 4>we were going to do that this week, but we've

1181
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:44.559
<v Speaker 4>run out of time, so we'll turn to it next week.

1182
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.800
<v Speaker 4>So to finish up this week, Lucretia Babylon be headlines

1183
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:50.679
<v Speaker 4>b SO a.

1184
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Couple of things that we never really got to. Newsom

1185
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:57.360
<v Speaker 5>says with another twenty five billion, he could double homelessness

1186
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Speaker 5>by twenty twenty. That was FBI assures nations that drones

1187
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:08.840
<v Speaker 5>are just US governments spying on its own citizens. Taking

1188
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 5>a bacon, yeah. R F K Junior advises children to

1189
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 5>leave out eight strips of bacon and a bowl of

1190
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 5>beef tallow for Santa this year. By the way, I

1191
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.199
<v Speaker 5>only cook with beef.

1192
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Tallow McDonald's fries. When the.

1193
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:34.119
<v Speaker 5>Funny thing is so it used to be cheaper than cheap.

1194
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.320
<v Speaker 5>I have to buy it online and it's ridiculously expensive.

1195
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.519
<v Speaker 5>I'd deep fried turkey in it, but I'd have to

1196
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 5>take out a loan just to buy the beef tallow.

1197
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.239
<v Speaker 4>And you know, get the sty Comngress clause when you

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01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:47.920
<v Speaker 4>be able to do that.

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01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, wait, wait, wait.

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01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:52.159
<v Speaker 5>I have a couple of don't give up on me.

1201
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.679
<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry that was just too much editorial Congress Warren's

1202
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 5>failure to pass spending bill might delay destruction of the

1203
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 5>country or just two more. Congress proposes new law banning

1204
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 5>anyone from reading spending bill until it's passed.

1205
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.639
<v Speaker 5>Members of Congress explain they need pay raises to keep

1207
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:18.679
<v Speaker 5>up with the inflation they caused.

1208
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:21.039
<v Speaker 3>That's yeah true.

1209
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:27.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, let's sign off with always drink your whiskey meat.

1210
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Let's go Brandon and Steve Wee. I know we have

1211
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:30.920
<v Speaker 4>a new kamalism.

1212
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm working on an AI bot that will run

1213
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Camel's statements through a Yogi bear of filter, and I'm

1214
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:40.360
<v Speaker 3>not very far along with that. But the one I'm

1215
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.000
<v Speaker 3>working on right now is let us be unburdened by

1216
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.199
<v Speaker 3>our context. That has been something like that. Gotting work

1217
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:47.440
<v Speaker 3>on it.

1218
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, there's a much better one. Wait, wait, there's

1219
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.639
<v Speaker 4>a much better because it was actually the same speech

1220
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:57.000
<v Speaker 4>you coded from last time.

1221
01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:00.400
<v Speaker 5>Right, he doesn't read your email? John?

1222
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.360
<v Speaker 4>Here this it says, in moments like this, the true

1223
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 4>test of our character is how resilient and persistent we

1224
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 4>are to pursue the future that we all can see.

1225
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Bye bye, everybody, We'll be better.

1226
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:15.679
<v Speaker 5>Merry Christmas, everyone.

1227
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Merry Christmas, everybody.

1228
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 5>How about That's who's John?

1229
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.280
<v Speaker 6>Because it is my favorite holiday? But all this year

1230
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.360
<v Speaker 6>has been a busy. But I don't think I have

1231
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:46.360
<v Speaker 6>the energy to add am. I already man Ross's cousins

1232
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.519
<v Speaker 6>the season. The perfect gift for me would be completions

1233
01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:55.239
<v Speaker 6>and connections left from last year, shopping the counter most

1234
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:59.000
<v Speaker 6>interesting Patta's number, but never the time most of anyone

1235
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:02.239
<v Speaker 6>has al on those lines, subtack those halls, term those trees,

1236
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 6>RaSE up comes on Christmas here. I just need to

1237
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:07.800
<v Speaker 6>catch my brother Christmas by myself.

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01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 4>This year.

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01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Ricochet join the conversation. H
