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<v Speaker 1>Paul Rowley didn't last US coach very long cast beating

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<v Speaker 1>Leeds made us look very wrong. Well, lef C's coach

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<v Speaker 1>looks ready to cry Leah showing they are never say die.

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<v Speaker 1>Congrats to the Giants their first win in eleven hoping

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Duro and Wake's photo man rest easy in Heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the thirtieth episode of Super League three sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast primarily about the top tier of British rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league and about me and John pretending that really we

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<v Speaker 1>predicted that Castleford would have beaten Leeds last week.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you, John, I'm good, basically yeah. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we have to address that. I think I said massive

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<v Speaker 2>upset and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the people, the people that were in the video

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<v Speaker 1>version of this podcast, which you can get on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is John Davidson. By the way, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't give him chance to say his name. The

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<v Speaker 1>people who are seeing the video version has used YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try again. I'll put my teeth in. The people

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<v Speaker 1>who were seeing who have seen the YouTube version of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast last week, they were our AI versions who

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<v Speaker 1>were predicting the Castleford and Leeds game, weren't they? And

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<v Speaker 1>sound as well, I'm a coach in Australia who can't

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<v Speaker 1>talk today obviously, John a journo in the UK. Please

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<v Speaker 1>read descriptions or all podcasts for more details about us.

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<v Speaker 1>This is on the Ashley Rugby League podcast, the Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League Coach podcast platforms, as well as a Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>Coach YouTube too too, and thank you to Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com and John. Honestly it was quite painful literally

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<v Speaker 1>as the podcast came out last week virtually at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time I saw the score between Castlefords and Castleford

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<v Speaker 1>and Leeds because we brought the podcast out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit early last week because of the FEARFA World Cup Final,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't we We did?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that it was a remark game in the

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<v Speaker 2>Leeds cast game I think for entertainment value, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best games of the season and obviously good that

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Levi was not seriously injured and you know he'll

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<v Speaker 2>make it for recovery. But it was a remarkable game.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of drama obviously that will we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>involving Ryan Carr as well. But yeah, fantastic effort from

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<v Speaker 2>from cast if they've got to, you know, give him

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of credit for upsetting the leaders of the competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Castleford won thirty six thirty four tries for Castleford from

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<v Speaker 1>raval aua golden Gary, Gary scored two RC and Ashworth

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<v Speaker 1>goals from Weaver, who kicked six leads. Thirty four came

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<v Speaker 1>from two from McDonald, edgele two from Croft, Sivo and Holroyd.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe Graham Holroyd is still playing. He played

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<v Speaker 1>in the early two thousands. Connor kicked three goals. For

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<v Speaker 1>those who think that what's Lee talking about, it's called

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<v Speaker 1>being a joke. And it was a comeback I believe

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<v Speaker 1>for Castleford to beat Leeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Reah it was. It was a remarkable game. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>like LEVI, Leeds were up I think by two. Trithman

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Levey went down injured and you know it was

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<v Speaker 2>a long long time he was out cold. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>sure whether it was you know, spine or what. He

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<v Speaker 2>obviously got stretched from the field, but it was a

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<v Speaker 2>long time and I think that understandably really affected the

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<v Speaker 2>Leeds team. And then Cats scored two tries, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>evenly poised at halftime, but just a real rollercoaster of

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<v Speaker 2>a game. And I think obviously leads have bounced back

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<v Speaker 2>to to put a big score on to Bradford and

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<v Speaker 2>get another win. But probably the biggest ballout was the

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<v Speaker 2>the Ryan Carr comments that could be heard sideline in

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<v Speaker 2>the first half. What did it is? It? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>definitely him who said that. Look, I think there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of debate about who it is, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I've and Ryan, I know his accent, I know

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<v Speaker 2>his voice. Yeah, it was just sincly an Australian accent

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<v Speaker 2>by the sideline or near these sky microphones. I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>which the RFL have approach Classifford to, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a please explain. I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 2>what their defense is going to be or how they

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<v Speaker 2>do explain it. But yeah, you can't get a few

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<v Speaker 2>ways you're you're a coach, Lee and I'm sure you've

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<v Speaker 2>had in your coaching box whatever. Had a few choice

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<v Speaker 2>words to say, a few profanities. But no, But I think,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think the issue is when you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>them on Sky and you know, maybe one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people are watching and it's criticizing a match official. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a not a great look for the game, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a problem when there is an accent involved

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<v Speaker 1>in my rugby league coaching career. I have had an

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<v Speaker 1>issue where one of my coaches called a player an

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<v Speaker 1>effort grub. In this case, the words effing cheat have

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<v Speaker 1>been uttered by allegedly, well, a man sounding Australian that

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<v Speaker 1>could be Ryan Carr. And anyway, because I did this, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>because this was happening in Australia, and person with an

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<v Speaker 1>Australian accent would fundamentally say the words grub very differently

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<v Speaker 1>to the way somebody in a Northern English accent would

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<v Speaker 1>say grub. And I was remonstrating with the person who

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was me, and I ended up saying words

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<v Speaker 1>to the effect of I used so dumb to think

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<v Speaker 1>that it was me because I speak differently, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not. It was a good case for me that

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<v Speaker 1>I had an accent, not a good case for Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Carr on this occasion. He can't blame Roger from down

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<v Speaker 1>the road. We had the whole Darby ond Thursday. Who

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<v Speaker 1>KR beat Hull FC on Thursday?

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<v Speaker 2>We did? Yeah, it was it was quite brutal, full

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<v Speaker 2>blood of affair and well another loss for LFC. Look

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<v Speaker 2>that a real dig in this game I've said, don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be too harsh on them because it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a horrific season, but they were in this game right

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<v Speaker 2>up to the death. But it was just a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of all moments, particularly from Mima Burrough. You know, Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Luckiley's in the ruck. And they changed this rule a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago. I think you remembera lee that

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<v Speaker 2>you know when hookers would just pass the ball into

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<v Speaker 2>an opposition player on purpose to get a penalty. So

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<v Speaker 2>that rule has been changed. You can't do that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's done it on purpose. And then later on he

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<v Speaker 2>stripped the ball out and a tackle I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a two men tackle and given a penalty and

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<v Speaker 2>that was four points. And they were crucial moments for

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<v Speaker 2>whole KR, who obviously without Mikey lewis under a fair

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<v Speaker 2>bit of pression themselves. But another Derby win for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Willie Peters has lost to Derby in

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<v Speaker 2>about like the last nine attempts since the first year

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<v Speaker 2>he joined the club. So yeah, another period of soul

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<v Speaker 2>searching for Hale, even though it was a better performance

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<v Speaker 2>than I had dished ot recently.

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<v Speaker 1>It was thirty four twenty to Whole k are at

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<v Speaker 1>the MKM Stadium home with full FC, whose tries came

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<v Speaker 1>from Bachelor d Litton What's what's Litton's okay? And Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>and goals from Hardacre who scored four of them. Whole

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<v Speaker 1>k Are thirty four came from A. Mo Morgue, Broadbent

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<v Speaker 1>Burgess Desirea and Morgue got seven. The next game, Wakefield

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<v Speaker 1>versus Cast. Before we go into the game, they've had

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<v Speaker 1>a longtime club servant pass away.

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<v Speaker 2>Wakefield. Yeah, really satain news. I'm trying to think what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly this was. Was it Thursday or Wednesday? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Williams, someone I who fairly well would always say

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<v Speaker 2>at Wakefield. Literally saw him at Wakefield at the Huddersfield

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<v Speaker 2>game maybe three weeks ago or whenever. That was just

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<v Speaker 2>a lovely guy. Was a former Patron subscriber as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and always polite have a chat and yeah, just die

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<v Speaker 2>very very suddenly. I know he's married, two sons and

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<v Speaker 2>just yeat terrible, terrible news. How old was How old

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<v Speaker 2>was he? John? I'm not sure exactly his age, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was in his early forties, so not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not not old in that sense, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just a real, real surprise. As I said, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>him a couple of weeks ago, and just one of

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<v Speaker 2>those people you know around certain clubs that you see

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<v Speaker 2>you have a chat with. Yeah, just just a good,

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<v Speaker 2>good bloke. So my thoughts and condolences go out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for his friends and family. Just a you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>real shocking loss, and yeah, he'll be he'll be missed.

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<v Speaker 1>Wakefield certainly put on a show for him if he's

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<v Speaker 1>watching from upstairs. Wakefield fifty two, Castleford fourteen. So for

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<v Speaker 1>those who can't make sense of why Castleford played twice

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<v Speaker 1>already in this podcast, it's because we didn't cover the

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<v Speaker 1>Cattleford the lead game last week, because we recorded early

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<v Speaker 1>tries for Wakefield Stoughton, far T t. Jowett, Vangnat Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>got two, Hall and Warms they got two and Jowitt

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<v Speaker 1>got eight. Goals for Cattleford there fourteen came from Weaver.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Garry got two again and Weave kicked a goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Wakefield was ten six behind and also suffered a red card.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, yeah, I mean we were. I was complimenting

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<v Speaker 2>casts not that long ago, and this was back to

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<v Speaker 2>the bad cast. It seems to be ross and diamonds

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<v Speaker 2>for them. You know they can they can beat Wigan,

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<v Speaker 2>they can bet leads and then they have an extra

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<v Speaker 2>man for I don't know, three quarters of a game

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<v Speaker 2>and they can say fifty two points, so really bizarre game.

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<v Speaker 2>In that five seconds in Wakefield score, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>get a fluky rebound of a kick and Cast score

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<v Speaker 2>and a six all and then Stalton gets red guarded

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<v Speaker 2>and then Wakefield put on forty odd points to absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>wipe them off the floor. And you know it's not

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<v Speaker 2>guaranteed when when you when you have an extra man,

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<v Speaker 2>but for that period of time, you would think the

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<v Speaker 2>extra work rate and the effort that that the team

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<v Speaker 2>with twelve men has to do and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the gaps will will open up on the field and

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<v Speaker 2>if you're smart enough you can you can find that space,

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<v Speaker 2>you can move the ball. And Wakefield have just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>smashed Cast off the park. So yeah, you do wonder

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<v Speaker 2>about Cast, this this white pole that kind of performances.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's been it's been it's been a year, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think last week we mentioned that the turnaround might

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<v Speaker 1>have been quite different from playing on a on a

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday as well. To back up, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>on a Friday, was it not?

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<v Speaker 2>It was, It's a shorter turnaround, but I still think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know coach has man about it, but look,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the nature of sport. I think you've you

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<v Speaker 2>structure next week, don't you. You might have less field sessions,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have longer recovery. But it's a local derby

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<v Speaker 2>and you've got twelve. You've got thirteen against twelve for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it was, sixty odd minutes maybe more, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>conceding that amount of points. It's just that's just not

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<v Speaker 2>good enough. But Wakefield really really impressed with when one

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<v Speaker 2>six in a row. Now I think they were beaten

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<v Speaker 2>by a Wigan what was it six seven weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and then before that they won a stack of games

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in second. Now, you know the history of Wakefield

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<v Speaker 2>better than mely. I know about the golden days in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties, But when's the last time Wakefield were up

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<v Speaker 2>near the top of the ladder. Would it have been

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<v Speaker 2>like the seventies or.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember in my lifetime Wakefield being consistently near

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the ladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And you know that it might not last

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<v Speaker 2>for years and years and years. But if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Wakefield fan you know where they've come from being relegated

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<v Speaker 2>three years ago. It's quite remarkable and Darryl Pearl's done

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<v Speaker 1>Another derby that's got plenty coming out of it because

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened the day before. We'll talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>that soon. But Wigan thirty eight, Saint Helen's sixteen, French

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<v Speaker 1>Eckersley got to, Partington got to and Kieran back on

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<v Speaker 1>the score sheet after I said he scored every week.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't scored for a few weeks and he kicked

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<v Speaker 1>seven goals as well. Saint Helen's sixteen came from Wellsby

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<v Speaker 1>Wellsby Douglas and Murphy Hastings got two. This was overshadowed

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<v Speaker 1>the day before with the news that Paul Rowley left

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's. Now surely he was sacked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's an odd one in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you read I'm not sure if you've read the statementally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try and bring it up Wie.

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<v Speaker 1>While you're doing that, I'll give you, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>just wait wait, Wakefield last to finish top of the

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a world war going on when that

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<v Speaker 1>last happened. So hopefully we don't break out in war

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<v Speaker 1>this year. But yes, that that gives you some context. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've got the statement, You've got the statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this this, this dropped into the inbox at

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<v Speaker 2>eleven am on Thursday. So what's that thirty six hours

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<v Speaker 2>before the wigging game on the Friday night. It Sason

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<v Speaker 2>Els can confirm that head coach poorly stepped down from

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<v Speaker 2>his role at the club with immediate effect. I mean confirm.

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<v Speaker 2>Is interesting because they've they're breaking the news themselves that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't recorded before. Assistant coach am And will assume interim

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of the States first team, And of course aim

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<v Speaker 2>And O'Carroll is leaving at the end of the season

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<v Speaker 2>to join for a coaching job in rugby union. It

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<v Speaker 2>says Paul has navigated an unprecedented injury crisis during his tenure,

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<v Speaker 2>maintaining a very competitive position throughout the twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>bed Threads Super League season. The book ammends him for

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<v Speaker 2>his achievements during his challenging period and wishes him the

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<v Speaker 2>very best in future endeavors. I'm not sure what achievements

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<v Speaker 2>they've been, but okay. As in point of it's continuity

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<v Speaker 2>instability is the clear club keys up for the business

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<v Speaker 2>end of the season as a thorough process to identify

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<v Speaker 2>a permit successor is embarked upon. I mean, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>the word soup, isn't it delivers continuity in stabity?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't they say in that that it'd been a tough

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<v Speaker 1>decision for us, even though they claiming that Roly made

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<v Speaker 1>the decision.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll finish that. There's just a couple of sentences left

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<v Speaker 2>Chairman aim In and aim in manas sorry added I

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<v Speaker 2>would like you yes, I would like to thank Paul

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<v Speaker 2>for his commitment an extreme hard work as a head coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Hews onely welcome to the club. Decision was extremely difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for all concerned that we've fully recognized the extra challenges

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<v Speaker 2>that Paul faced for this particular season. Where's the club

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<v Speaker 2>must now look forward and do all within our powers

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<v Speaker 2>to preserve our position as the most successful club in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of Super League and to restore our position

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<v Speaker 2>as a silverware contender going forward. Saint Helens will make

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<v Speaker 2>no further comment at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mess. The whole thing's a mess. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why why it happened the day before a derby and.

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<v Speaker 2>The week they'd won again.

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<v Speaker 1>I do there's either been a huge fallout or something's

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<v Speaker 1>brewing for a long time when it's come to a head.

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<v Speaker 1>And old John Wilkin hinted to that effect, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know cow Felt said something a few weeks ago, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>he about how he wasn't enjoying his football under the

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<v Speaker 1>current coach at the time was Paul Role.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you look at that statement though, and

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<v Speaker 2>that seems to suggest that he stepped down at his

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<v Speaker 2>own violition. Now I've approached Paul, he hasn't responded, but

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<v Speaker 2>spoken with lots of people the last few days and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems pretty clear to me that he was sacked,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've tried to kind of spin it that he

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<v Speaker 2>stepped down. And usually in this in these sort of statements,

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<v Speaker 2>you you get a quote from the coach. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>quote from him in it, and people I've spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to be put that that. Obviously there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of a rift in the playing group. It

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<v Speaker 2>does seem to have been this kind of uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the veterans at Saint Helens or the St Helens Wavy,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of Salford way. Obviously, Paul came in from

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<v Speaker 2>Salford and there's a couple of players that he signed,

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<v Speaker 2>a number of players he's had it from Salford staff

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<v Speaker 2>they have with Salford, and there seems to be that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of one of the root causes a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a rift, and it seems to be I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's some players you know, went to the club and

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<v Speaker 2>complained about that about you, performances, standards, that sort of thing. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a mess. You said that clearly to do

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<v Speaker 2>this the day before Derby, I think he'd had nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>Super League games in charge, Paul, and there were six

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<v Speaker 2>or seventh at the sort of the sacking obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>week after being in.

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<v Speaker 1>Katlian's quite shocking. Really, he was never the right fit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not talking after the event. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>people look back and listen back to old Super League

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty podcasts, I was questioning the appointment in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of I looked at his defensive abilities as a coach

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<v Speaker 1>in particular. Some coaches as well are better suited to

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<v Speaker 1>lower clubs and less suited to I mean, Saint Helen's

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<v Speaker 1>in rugby league would be not quite a real Madrid

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<v Speaker 1>or a Barcelona, but they'd be one of the bigger

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<v Speaker 1>clubs in the rugby league world. You would add Saint Helen's,

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<v Speaker 1>Wigan and Leeds in particular to the group of clubs

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<v Speaker 1>that could compete with NRL clubs. So sorry, not just

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<v Speaker 1>compete beat an RL club. So I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>a real poor appointment. I assume he's not responding to

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<v Speaker 1>your calls, John, because it's probably been paid off quite

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<v Speaker 1>significantly because he was only nine months into a three

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<v Speaker 1>year contract. Right, Yeah, it's probably been paid off quite significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever wrote the statement had to check though that it

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<v Speaker 1>all added up, because, like I said earlier, in the

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<v Speaker 1>same statement or in the same brush, it said it

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<v Speaker 1>was a difficult decision for us, even though they were

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<v Speaker 1>saying it was poor role is decision to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mixed, mixed messages. I think, look, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the fans had turned on him. I'm sure that played. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the Saints fans. I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>a seption like theself who didn't think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>right choice at the time, and obviously with what they've

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<v Speaker 2>dished up this season. Look, we've spoken about them for

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<v Speaker 2>a while now, haven't we, and spoke about extensively last

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<v Speaker 2>week or the week before. You know, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>club's been drifting for a couple of years now. The

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<v Speaker 2>way Paul Wellens was treated last year, you know they

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<v Speaker 2>were looking for other coaches. You know, it was all

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<v Speaker 2>signs that he was going to get benned and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know he only basically got sacked at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the season. But you know, Paul's a club legend

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the way he's treated was Paul. You

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<v Speaker 2>can look at the recruitment I think Saint Helen's investment wise,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can compare them to the other top clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>they've recruitment wise, they've they've not released the purse strings

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<v Speaker 2>for quite a few years, and you can see that

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<v Speaker 2>reflected in the signings that they've made. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>come back to haunt them. And then you look, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's a massive change of the guard there. Mike Rush

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<v Speaker 2>has gone, Derek Train has gone, there's other stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>have gone James Roby obviously left, he was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>involved there after retiring, so it's a massive transition period.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing that I also find interesting, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot to talk about and you mentioned this

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<v Speaker 2>as them being a powerhouse and there a powerhouse about

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<v Speaker 2>standards and you know, not accepting mediocrity. But no one's

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<v Speaker 2>got a divine right to success, you know. And you

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<v Speaker 2>see all big clubs, whether they be you know, Brisbane

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<v Speaker 2>Broncos or Manchester United, you go through stages like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they last for a couple of years or a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I last for a decade or more, don't they.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's going to be a lot of soul

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<v Speaker 2>searching at that place. But yeah, the way the whole

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<v Speaker 2>things sort of come out and the whole period, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been very, very very strange, and yeah, tough times for

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<v Speaker 2>sell On Helens even though I mean they were certainly

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<v Speaker 2>beaten on Friday, but they did they showed the players

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<v Speaker 2>really did put in a performance and gave it quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. They just got played by a much better

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<v Speaker 2>team in terms of Wigan. And yeah, that easter wind

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<v Speaker 2>where they nicked it the end was a fluke and

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know most people can realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Saint Helen's I compare their situation somewhat with

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<v Speaker 1>Brisbane Broncoles in the sense that they have certain standards

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<v Speaker 1>that they believe they should be meeting as a minimum,

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<v Speaker 1>Yet what's happening and the personnel that are in there

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of players as well probably doesn't help that cause.

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<v Speaker 1>So they need to have a coach that they just

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<v Speaker 1>stick with during some difficult tides at times. I think

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been a similar in the sense that the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is with Brisbane they put together about two months

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<v Speaker 1>and ended up winning a premiership and that's really skewed

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<v Speaker 1>the data somewhat. But if you look at Brisbane's overall performance,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take the last three years for example, Well, two

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<v Speaker 1>years have been out of the finals and one year

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<v Speaker 1>they got to the Grand Final and won it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the year before the three years they got to the

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Final and just missed out. So if they were

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<v Speaker 1>a genuine forced Brisbane Broncos and they had some genuine

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<v Speaker 1>players that would turn up week in week out and

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<v Speaker 1>do the tough stuff in a lot of places, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate them being in the top four every year. Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Helen's It's not that long ago they were a dominant

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<v Speaker 1>super League force. It's dropped off a little bit since then.

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<v Speaker 1>But under Wellens they were there or thereabouts.

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't they.

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<v Speaker 1>You were still talking about them as potential champions or

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<v Speaker 1>potential Grand finalists with a few weeks to go. But

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<v Speaker 1>this year has been significantly worse. And I think the

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<v Speaker 1>coach they needed to appoint after Wellens with somebody And

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<v Speaker 1>we're not being captain hindsight here. I don't think we've

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<v Speaker 1>been very consistent on this podcast about it being a

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<v Speaker 1>period of transition. Somebody who can manage that transition now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think a club like Saint Helens needs to

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<v Speaker 1>go getting too many players from a club like Salford,

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<v Speaker 1>who even under Rowley did okay, but they didn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>hit the heights of the years prior to that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So it'd be a bit like when David Moyes took

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<v Speaker 1>over from Alex Ferguson by him buying a load of

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<v Speaker 1>Everton players I think so and getting them to play

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<v Speaker 1>for Manchester United. So they need to move on quickly

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<v Speaker 1>from this, I think. But they also need to be

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<v Speaker 1>patient with the next guy. They need to do a

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<v Speaker 1>proper search rather than just going down the East Lanks road.

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<v Speaker 1>They will say they did a proper search, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think if they did, they wouldn't have gone with Paul Role.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it that way, and they need to stick with

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that they select, and they need to tough

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<v Speaker 1>this out together.

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<v Speaker 2>Think I think before, I think he went to St.

418
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<v Speaker 2>Helen and they wanted things his way. He wanted complete

419
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<v Speaker 2>control like he had at Salford, like he had at Toronto,

420
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think a St Helen's that approach was

421
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<v Speaker 2>going to work. And I think now, I mean, I

422
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.319
<v Speaker 2>don't notice for a fact that I would. My guess

423
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.400
<v Speaker 2>is that they will look down under for a coach.

424
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I'll look to someone who they can bring in and say, hey,

425
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:35.920
<v Speaker 2>this is the way, you know, this is the the

426
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Saint Helen's way, that St Helen's ideology, and I look for,

427
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:42.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, the next kind of cab off the rank

428
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 2>in the NROL, which they did with Justin Holbrook, and

429
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>they did with Christian Wolff with obviously big success. So

430
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I'd imagine people like Ben Horby, Lake Green, Matt King,

431
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>those kind of names, maybe Daniel Holdsworth, you know the

432
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.200
<v Speaker 2>ones that are, you know, perhaps is the next nur

433
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 2>L coach off the rank. They'll look to hire someone that.

434
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's a huge number of British coaches

435
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:11.839
<v Speaker 2>or English coaches that they'd be interested in. But yeah,

436
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:16.519
<v Speaker 2>it's when you said about powerhouses, I think Saint Alen's

437
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.559
<v Speaker 2>have never been. I don't think they've missed the semi

438
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>finals in the what thirty odd years of Super League,

439
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.720
<v Speaker 2>which is a bringer remarkable achievement, but there isn't a

440
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.920
<v Speaker 2>divine right to that. So they have to kind of

441
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.640
<v Speaker 2>pull their finger out now, and you know completely, I

442
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:34.440
<v Speaker 2>think overhaul the club. They are strange clubs in Hellens

443
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:36.640
<v Speaker 2>and I think that Leeds and Wigan you compare them

444
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:37.880
<v Speaker 2>leads and we're going to have a bit more of

445
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>a national, even international look, while Saint Helen's just they

446
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>like being a big fish in their little pond. But

447
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.359
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, that's kind of not good enough if

448
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you want to be the best and you want to

449
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>grow and expand and all that sort of thing. So

450
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I think they need to kind of change their general

451
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.039
<v Speaker 2>attitude of the way that the club operates and how

452
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.839
<v Speaker 2>it presents itself to the doubtside World as well, and

453
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I think an indicator of that is on Sky. You know,

454
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 2>they offered Amia McManus or Abbia Girku to come on

455
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Sky and talk about the decision. Neither of them did.

456
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:13.720
<v Speaker 2>And I think this is, you know, you've got to

457
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 2>show some accountability. You've got to speak to your fans

458
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and try and explain why you're doing this decision. Now.

459
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, Holsey, you could arguly try to do that

460
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>during the week with a very very long statement, but

461
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>that's probably a poor way to do it. I think

462
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.279
<v Speaker 2>an interview with you know, the likes of Sky Will BBC,

463
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:31.839
<v Speaker 2>where you actually get put some hard questions and you

464
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 2>answer is the best avenue. But again, people just don't

465
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they were scared of John Wilkin. Maybe don't. Yeah,

466
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think scared, but yeah, there's probably another word

467
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>I could use, But yeah, I don't want to go

468
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:47.240
<v Speaker 2>through the keeper.

469
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they should start a program and say that they

470
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<v Speaker 1>are unleashed. Because a side that was unleashed in the

471
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Winds column this week was Huddersfield who scored twenty four

472
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 1>a way to York who got twenty two. Well done Huddersfield,

473
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean we've We've been bringing them every week on

474
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>this podcast for one reason or another. So that's twelve

475
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Super League defeats in succession that they've suffered. I'm thirteenth

476
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>time lucky. And they managed to jag o win over York.

477
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>And I say jag because it was a close game.

478
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>York's twenty two from Nuffoluma, Galiana, Galiano, Thompson and Inman

479
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Betterson got three. Huddersfield's twenty four came from Jagger, the

480
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 1>old Rocker, Lola Here, Wrench and Wolford and Flanagan got

481
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>four goals. So I was really happy when I saw

482
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that Huddersfield won this game. So for anybody who thinks

483
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>we bag Huddersfield, it's probably because we're so upset that

484
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a club that we want to do well is doing

485
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>so poorly. But they've got a win. Have they been

486
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 1>have they been a punished this week? John, have they

487
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 1>not stopped bleating? Or have they been nine and humble

488
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>after a win?

489
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>We bagged them because they lost Toroly I think, you know, yeah,

490
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't argue with that. Just a very very quick

491
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 2>segue back to the wing game. Because we didn't give

492
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>a French. Sorry you didn't put that. You didn't put

493
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>that in the running I didn't running order you go

494
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I did. He was sensational. I can't remember it was

495
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>one or two tries he spoiled. He's set up a load.

496
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>He was just brilliant. And there's more talk about the

497
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 2>best overseas important Super League history. It's very hard to

498
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 2>compare different players in different eras. You know, when Jamie

499
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Lyon did one season, but Bevan French is a freak

500
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.319
<v Speaker 2>and you know, to joy to have him back playing,

501
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know he's that secret weapon that we can

502
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 2>have that I think can you know, take them back

503
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 2>to glory. But going on to Huddersfield, Yeah, well done

504
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>to Huddersfield. Really grinded that went out played well I

505
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>think they did. They came from behind six Niel, Yeah,

506
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>just breaking the hoodo I had. I had heard that.

507
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, Jim Lennon had been making some progress there

508
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 2>and I know it's been up and down, but it's

509
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 2>his first winning charge. And there's still the off field

510
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 2>speculation about the future of the club and where they're

511
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>going to play and all the kind of nonsense comments

512
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>coming from the leadership. But the players and the coachs

513
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 2>of you know, big grabs for forgetting that win.

514
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:39.039
<v Speaker 1>They've also come up with an opportunity for fans to

515
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>come for free. So what more would you want if

516
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>you're a part of the Hudderfield parish than to come

517
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.559
<v Speaker 1>on the back of a victory against York and come

518
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and watch your team for free when they play the

519
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Catalans in one of their future games and it's at

520
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the stadium, the a Q Stadium as I believe it's

521
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 1>called now, and they're going to use that day to

522
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>announce where they will play home games in twenty twenty seven.

523
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>So have they paid a bond on Jewsbury Ramsen?

524
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Have they? I mean, that's that's that's the talk. They'll

525
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>be playing at Jewsbury. They're not obviously playing Halifax. That's

526
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>been pretty clear that the bid to buy the shape

527
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>be not back. I think Newsbury will be the choice.

528
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 2>There is some talk that they have secured a sign

529
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>in Huddersfield for a future new staying, but that'll be

530
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years. Quite You can't build a new

531
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>stadium in three or four months, ken you. It takes

532
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>it takes years for that.

533
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 1>But what it fled under banks and nice ground. It's

534
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 1>on a slope and it looks like pul from Parker

535
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Driver around there, so I.

536
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Think, yeah, I think they'll be a Jewsbury the free

537
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 2>fans thing. They've done this before fees. I think they've

538
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>done it maybe two twice before over the last ten

539
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>to twenty years, and I think maybe they're twelve thousand

540
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>for that's on. I'm not a massive fan of this

541
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>because it devalues your product. So if you're going to

542
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>charge twenty twenty five thirty quid each week and then

543
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 2>suddenly you're saying, okay, everyone can come in for free,

544
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not a huge fan. But I do

545
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>like the idea of, you know, giving away tickets to kids,

546
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, making it free or cheap for kids, because

547
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that way you're kind of you're building that connection. But yeah,

548
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a massive fan.

549
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Of I think it's okay as a one off a

550
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>year if you pick one game that's a free nie

551
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and then you give you give the public chance to

552
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>put some money and I don't know, towards a charity

553
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>or to merchandise or drinks, refreshments, et cetera. I think

554
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 1>it's okay for one, because there's also the other side

555
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 1>of the coin. I was a junior Devil. I was

556
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 1>a junior Red Devil, and as soon as I turned sixteen,

557
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I didn't particularly want to pay because I've been given course,

558
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been given all these tickets for I've been given

559
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 1>free tickets for years. I was quite concerned about paying.

560
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So on the York side, Clint Goodchild stepped down as

561
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a director at York. Now tell everybody what Clint Goodchild

562
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>was at that club, but what kind of director?

563
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:23.519
<v Speaker 2>And he remains the chairman and the majority owner. Now

564
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>there's been talks or negotiations for quite a while about

565
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>new investors coming in. My understanding is that there's an

566
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>overseas investment group and a local investment group, and I

567
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 2>think him standing down as a director on the company's

568
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>house of the company is a part of the process. Now,

569
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>I think this deal is close to being done. I

570
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's necessarily done yet, but I think it's

571
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>close to being done. And I think what will be

572
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>interesting is, apart from obviously who takes over the club,

573
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>but whether Clint stays on or moves on. Now I

574
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>think you know, he would probably like to stay on

575
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>but if there's a big payoff, understandably he will be

576
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>he will be gone. So yeah, interesting times at York.

577
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I think they've done pretty well in their first season

578
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 2>the Super League so far on a very very small

579
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 2>budget and half central distribution. And I think I think

580
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 2>we talked about this well at the start of the season,

581
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>and I think most people expected the bottom three clubs

582
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to sorry, the three championship clubs coming up to be

583
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>in the bottom three or near it and super leak

584
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and obviously we've got Huddersfield and huld Off seat at

585
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the bottom, just followed by Bradford York and cass to

586
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 2>lose City at night. So look, if I think if

587
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>York finished were they are eleventh now or even a

588
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit higher, that's a massive achievement and they know,

589
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>well done to them. So we shall see what happens

590
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>with York in the next well for the next few days,

591
00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>next few weeks, I think more news to come on.

592
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Darby from says to lose sixteen Catalan's eighteen de sweet

593
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 1>that's the worst.

594
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the worst French accent or attempted French I think

595
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I've ever heard.

596
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Tries Troppis cattle and four kicks for shocks for to

597
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 1>lose and Catalans sixteen came from making Soon, who got

598
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 1>a double aspial BChE his horse every week, wouldn't it,

599
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and who also kicked three goals. This was a scrappy game,

600
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 1>wasn't it in terms of didn't the weather interrupt it

601
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times or really influence it?

602
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It was. It was pouring for Ryan for a while,

603
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.519
<v Speaker 2>which considering well the heat not only in France but

604
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>its been in most of Europe have been in the heat, wet,

605
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was weird to see a game and

606
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.000
<v Speaker 2>shall we say wintry conditions. But yeah, Carolins haven't won

607
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>for what seems like an age and obviously they got

608
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 2>sixty foot on them by to loose three weeks ago

609
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the start of July in the Magic weekend, so big

610
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 2>result for them. Started off with Tommy Makinson with a

611
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>great leap and a try. They go to tend to

612
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 2>ahead Katlians and then to loose it back making some

613
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 2>gets another try and then to loose come back right

614
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the death, but they rent out of time. I scored

615
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.679
<v Speaker 2>I think within the last final seconds converted that try,

616
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>but still lost by two, So yeah, to loose, I've

617
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:34.840
<v Speaker 2>had a good run. I think it was three wins

618
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 2>in a row, so a bit of a bounce back

619
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 2>to earth from them and for Katlans, Yeah, a bit

620
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 2>of restored pride after they're thrashing by their French neighbors.

621
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the home side. First.

622
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 1>They had an interview in some masthead or with some

623
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>organization about their future. Can you paint some paint some pictures?

624
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<v Speaker 1>Said yes, my.

625
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Right. I interviewed Cedric Gas there, the director of sport

626
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>or effectively their CEO, and they seem very confident that

627
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be in Super League next year. They

628
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 2>believe they deserve to be in there. They believe they're

629
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<v Speaker 2>going to improve on every IMG criteria, and they're making

630
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>plans in terms of recruitment and resignings for next season.

631
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, everyone's positive and talking up their chances

632
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Huddersfield London, New York. To lose, obviously,

633
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 2>they can't all be well unless we expend a fifteen,

634
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 2>which wouldn't rule out. But though it seems unlikely, they're.

635
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 1>All playing, they're all playing the media, aren't they. They're

636
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 1>all getting in their retaliation.

637
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 2>First of people, they get kicked out and you could

638
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 2>say that, but I mean I went to Cedriac to

639
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.519
<v Speaker 2>interview him. It wasn't the case of the club coming

640
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 2>to me for you know, three pr I thought, you know,

641
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 2>it was interesting to because they are a French club

642
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in English, in English competition, they don't get as much

643
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 2>press or coverage from the media generally the as the

644
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the English one. So yeah, I thought it was interesting

645
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 2>to hear from them, And yeah, they're happy about where

646
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>they're obviously on the field, you know, sitting in ninth

647
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>is you know, we talked, seem to say it every week,

648
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 2>but they've got half the central distribution and they play

649
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a million quid transport as well at travel coroffs, so

650
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they're doing well. Obviously the defeat on Saturday, but yeah,

651
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>onwards and upwards for to lose.

652
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Now, a man that played ninety seven games for their opponents,

653
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:41.559
<v Speaker 1>the Catalans Dragons and forty two games for Newcastle Knights

654
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>in the late two thousands, Scott Drawer passed away last

655
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>week at the age of only thirty nine. I believe

656
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 1>he's been fighting a battle with cancer for quite a while.

657
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>That was really sad.

658
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 2>John yeah, really sad. I mean I think he got

659
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>diagnosed in twenty I'm going to say twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. Yeah,

660
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>he had surgery then to remove a tumor behind his eye.

661
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 2>But I knew Scott a bit obviously his time at

662
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Catalans interviewed him. He was a lovely guy, really a

663
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>pleasure to deal with. I was actually just looking back

664
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>at some text messages that still on my phone from

665
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen when he was playing at the Dragons. He

666
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>was always helpful, you know, always generous with his time.

667
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Originally a tarre boy, played for his junior footy at

668
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 2>the Port moll Croy Sharks and then came through at Newcastle.

669
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>And I believe my Auntie knows his wife and mother

670
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>in law very well. It's typical Newcastle, one degree of separation.

671
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>But he was just a lovely, lovely person and thirty

672
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>nine years old, you know, wife, kids, terribly terribly sad.

673
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>He battled you know, with cancer basically for that decade,

674
00:38:58.960 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 2>which is remarkable.

675
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>That would have been an awfully tough last twelve years

676
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.199
<v Speaker 1>thirteen years for him then.

677
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 2>But the tribute, I'm not sure if you've seen it.

678
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>The tribute that Trent Robinson gave. I think it was

679
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>a Fox interview obviously coached him, not only Newcastle but Catlaan's.

680
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>It was just it was really touching. I thought, a

681
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>lovely tribute to him. And yeah, Ano another one, much

682
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>like Dean, you know, gone too soon. It just seems like,

683
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, this year obviously John k here and it's

684
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 2>been a horrible a couple of months in terms of

685
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 2>people on the sport, you know, passing away. So yeah,

686
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>thoughts and condolencers go out to everyone who knew Scott

687
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and his family and friends, and yeah, he was He'll

688
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.119
<v Speaker 2>be long remembered. I think indeed.

689
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Lee twenty eight Warrington twelve, big win for Lee. This Armstrong,

690
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Lamb senior offer and Gwie and Hanley scored the tries

691
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.079
<v Speaker 1>for Lee. Cook kicked four goals, Warrington's twelve from Sipley

692
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Hoppawati and we got to go. That's five successive victories

693
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 1>for Lee now. So they are on the charge, aren't they.

694
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 2>They're flying at the table again, just the way they

695
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 2>play that kind of spine with David Armstrong, with Cook,

696
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 2>with Lamb and then you mightor Hanley chipping in from

697
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 2>the centers. And really really dangerous and then they've just

698
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.519
<v Speaker 2>got that massive pack Joe often galways in great, great

699
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.360
<v Speaker 2>form and then they're you know, they're a team that

700
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 2>you have to watch and I think they are merging

701
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>his real dark horses in the competition. So another another

702
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>big win for them, and yeah, great signs for the Leopards.

703
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Leads forty two Bradford twelve Leads were always going to

704
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 1>bounce back and think after having the plants pulled down

705
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 1>for Cattleford tries for Leeds, two for McDonald. I'm sure

706
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 1>McDonald's Oh no, he did score for Leeds a week before.

707
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say he's playing everywhere McDonald, O'Connor

708
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Holroyd again, Croft Jenkins. Watkins scored the try and kind

709
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of kick seven goals. Bradford's tries from Armitage and Ryan

710
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 1>and Hooley kicked two goals. The big news I think

711
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.039
<v Speaker 1>in terms of this game though, was that micros Evo

712
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:14.280
<v Speaker 1>may have broken his arm.

713
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that will be a blow if he has broken

714
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's out for a sustained period. I don't know

715
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>whether he'll bring out the mountain and go armguard from

716
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 2>back in the nineties, But yeah, Leeds yeah, were they

717
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>were very good in this game. Obviously, Bradford scored first,

718
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>which was a little bit of a shock, but Leeds

719
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.000
<v Speaker 2>came back in a sept try and then you know,

720
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Jake kind of just took over. I'm not so if

721
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 2>you've seen that monster forty twenty, but it was it

722
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 2>was kicked from Bradford and landed and headingley. It was.

723
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>It was Fritish and then he set up a couple

724
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 2>of try scored one himself. Yeah, Leeds bouncing back like

725
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 2>we expected to have done. The trouble against Bradford. So

726
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 2>far this season, I think that's three games against their

727
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 2>old rivals and three wins and you know, another big

728
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>rack up of points to score. But yeah, I was.

729
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Waiting for a diagnosis on his arm. If he's with

730
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the NHS, is probably still in the triage waiting for

731
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.119
<v Speaker 1>a doctor the ladder. Everybody's played twenty apart from Warrington

732
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and whole k are now who I think have decided

733
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to play this game. They're just going

734
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to They've just got to let it slide, I think

735
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>on a Tuesday, which is an interesting choice, but I

736
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>guess you've got a squeeze in somehow if they both

737
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>play on the Friday previous and play on the Tuesday

738
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 1>and then the Sunday, that's fine, that's not too bad.

739
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 1>It's that old school is that it's also about a

740
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>five day turnaround as well. So Leeds they've played the

741
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 1>full complement of games their top of the ladder with

742
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty two. Then there's two teams on thirty Wakefield Trinity

743
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.119
<v Speaker 1>who were in second, Wigan Warriors who are in third,

744
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.559
<v Speaker 1>and the points difference is only three differents. Wakefield have

745
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>got three points more in their points difference column, Warrington

746
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Wolves in fourth despite their recent travees. But like I said,

747
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 1>they've still got an extra game to play. They're on

748
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty six points so they've got some ground to make

749
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 1>up now and we'reing above them. Lee are a level

750
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>with them, and a lot will depend on how that

751
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>extra game goes to see how far Lee can get

752
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 1>up the table in the next couple of weeks, because

753
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 1>they've played the full compliment and they're on twenty six

754
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and Hunkingston Rovers below them, who've got an extra game

755
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 1>to player on twenty four with a better points differential.

756
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's as you alluded to, earlier are outside of

757
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the final spots. They're in twenty four points, so they're

758
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>not a million miles off being back in them.

759
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>To be fair.

760
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Catalans are in eighth, they're on eighteen points and then

761
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>there's a bit of a drop now thanks to Castford's

762
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 1>win over to Lose. They're in ninth on fourteen. Castleford

763
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>are in tenth on fourteen. York Knights and Bradford Bulls

764
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 1>are both on twelve in eleventh and twelfth respectively. Hull

765
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 1>left c two points below them on ten in thirteenth

766
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and then it would have been quite barren if Hudersfield

767
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't manage a win because they're only four points behind.

768
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Now there would have been six if they didn't beat

769
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 1>York and they're on six points at the foot of

770
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the ladder. RL tweet of the week and this is

771
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 1>going to be a bit of a serious one, John Well,

772
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>two serious ones, actually League Freak close to a week ago.

773
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>We're going into the NRL here a little bit, but

774
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 1>I think it applies to Super League as well. The

775
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>suspensions the NRL handed out this week were laughable, said

776
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 1>League Freak. Players got suspended for nothing. What's your understanding

777
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of how officialdom is performing on both sides of the

778
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:03.800
<v Speaker 1>world at the moment.

779
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 2>John, Look, I think the standard overall officiating in the

780
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>NRL is higher than in Super League. I think there's

781
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 2>a number of reasons for that, because obviously there's a

782
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a bigger sport in Australia, isn't it. There's more referees,

783
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 2>there's more players, there's more people involved in the sport.

784
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I think obviously there's more probably pressure on referees, particularly

785
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 2>in Super League now with every game being televised in

786
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 2>a video refereed every game. But I think we've got

787
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 2>to remember referees aren't perfect and they're going to make mistakes.

788
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>We want the best standards, We want consistency. We don't

789
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 2>always get it, But I don't think we need to

790
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>be going out and abusing and carrying on either. I

791
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>think it's a fine line, isn't We want We want

792
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 2>more people to take up a whistle and to referee,

793
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>because without it we don't have a sport. But I

794
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 2>think the constant barras on online in particular about ben

795
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 2>talk or raup referees is nonsense and people they need

796
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 2>to have some common sense as well.

797
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 1>John tweet of the week. It's actually two tweets. One

798
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:18.320
<v Speaker 1>of them you said that this case is a model.

799
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 1>You were referring to the concussion trials in will be

800
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Cold in the UK, and you retweeted something else on

801
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 1>the same issue, something pertaining to Ryland's Garth, who are

802
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 1>representing some of these players I think may not have

803
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 1>fully complied with a judges order about many documents.

804
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 2>This is the major concussion trial that's happened to you can.

805
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's been going on now, i'd say at

806
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.239
<v Speaker 2>least three or four years, and it's obviously it's it's

807
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>two trials in one in the sense that it's rugby

808
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>union and rugby league. So Ryland's Garth is the law

809
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.800
<v Speaker 2>firm that's taken on this and I think remember exactly

810
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head, but it's quite a

811
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 2>large number of rugby X Rugby league players who are

812
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>pursuing the RFL and BAALA, but we're still no close

813
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 2>to actually going to court. The dispute is over the

814
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 2>medical information that has been supplied. Now Ryland's Garth is

815
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>going to as a law firm, is going to excuse

816
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 2>themselves and another law firm is going to take it,

817
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>take their place. But the I think the case is

818
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>in danger of being thrown out because of this and

819
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>because of the delays, and obviously this case is huge.

820
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, if if the players, the X players, won

821
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:40.039
<v Speaker 2>their case, I mean I imagine, yeah, the RFL BARLA

822
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 2>could go bankrupt, have serious replications. But on the same side,

823
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 2>and I know a lot of fans you think these

824
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:52.360
<v Speaker 2>X players are money grubbers or you know, worse than that.

825
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>But I think we've got to remember that a lot

826
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.679
<v Speaker 2>of them are suffering, you know, massively with dementia and

827
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>also of diseases and problems in life. And we've got

828
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to remember that the players other lifeblood of our game too.

829
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, they go out there and they give you know,

830
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>they sacrifice their bodies for our entertainment, for the fans.

831
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's got to be some compassion on

832
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.519
<v Speaker 2>both sides as well. But yeah, the case itself just

833
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.039
<v Speaker 2>seems like the fact that there's been really hardly any

834
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>progression in years for this to go on is is

835
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.159
<v Speaker 2>is not great. So yeah, it needs to come to

836
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Speaker 2>a conclusion one way or the other, hopefully the most

837
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 2>most correct one. But what that is I don't really know.

838
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you'd have to see all the evidence, wouldn't you.

839
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's going to have far reaching implications, not

840
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 2>only across all of rugbility, but rugby in as well.

841
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think you know, contact sports generally, you look

842
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 2>at whatever it was, the five billion lawsuit in the

843
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:57.119
<v Speaker 2>NFL a few years ago, and that's obviously a much

844
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 2>richer sport, but the rugby codes we don't have the

845
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 2>same but they don't have the same bank bounds, do

846
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 2>they too, to those kind of climbs.

847
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can see where these players are coming

848
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 1>from somewhat as well, because concussions, concussions and injuries genuinely

849
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>used to be a badge of honor in the game.

850
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's not it's only just over a decade ago

851
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.599
<v Speaker 1>that we celebrated as a sport. Sam Burge is playing

852
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:23.679
<v Speaker 1>with a broken cheek bone for most of the Grand

853
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Final against the Ball the sixties.

854
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know.

855
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean my relatively short playing career and I'm of

856
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a certain vintage and I remember being knocked out on

857
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 1>the field and there was no nothing except a wet sponge.

858
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Also in a professional game that I played, my I

859
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 1>was trying to fend and my right wrist felt like

860
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it's sprained or something like that, because I do have

861
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.079
<v Speaker 1>a reasonably high paying threshold right so I just to

862
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the physio, sorry, in inverted comms, physio, I think I've

863
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 1>sprained it, and he got the wet sock out of

864
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the bucket and wrapped it around the wrist. Well, basically,

865
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I found out twenty years later it actually broke in

866
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:17.039
<v Speaker 1>several places on this occasion and had reset itself. So

867
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 1>I've literally not been able to move my wrist further

868
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:24.559
<v Speaker 1>than that for twenty odd thirty odd years. So these

869
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.679
<v Speaker 1>things have happened. If it happened to me at that

870
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>level in a shorter time, imagine what some of these

871
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.039
<v Speaker 1>players are going through, and there is a good chance

872
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.320
<v Speaker 1>that some of it was down to medical or lack

873
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 1>of medical attention. Now, I would imagine it's also a

874
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 1>tricky one because we know a lot more about concussions

875
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 1>and injuries now than we did thirty years ago as well.

876
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my argument, I think it is with the people

877
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>who criticize these players or the concussion side, as that

878
00:50:57.800 --> 00:50:59.519
<v Speaker 2>where you need the risk when you signed up, and

879
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>people didn't. I think, you know, kids today maybe or

880
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that the parents are aware. But you know, when I

881
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was a kid in the late eighties, early nineties, you

882
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, if someone said, oh, if you play

883
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.159
<v Speaker 2>rugby league and then at thirty, you could you know,

884
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 2>have early onset dementia that was never mentioned. You know,

885
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 2>you would might know that you might have a broken

886
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>nose and busted knees and torn biceps and all that

887
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing, but we didn't know about you know,

888
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the brain injuries and how serious it could be. So

889
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you are right, like, we know these things now. We

890
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't know them even probably got fifteen years ago. We

891
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't know them. But we know now, and it's going

892
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 2>to be interesting to find out what was known or

893
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 2>what you know, could have been reasonably deduced by you know,

894
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>getting concussed and waking up and running back on the

895
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.599
<v Speaker 2>field and what impact that could have later in life. So, yeah,

896
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 2>it's one to keep an eye on that case. Yeah,

897
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:58.760
<v Speaker 2>it's massively far reaching implications of what.

898
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Happens in that Courtum, there's a chance the whole kr

899
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and Warrington game will happen before this case is settled.

900
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Are you ready for my idea? John?

901
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>I've been inspired by the fact that Catalan's beat to

902
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 1>lose last week. They're effectively now the French champions, right

903
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:19.199
<v Speaker 1>because they're four points ahead, they probably won't get caught

904
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in the ladder. They're probably going to finish higher in

905
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.119
<v Speaker 1>the ladder, right.

906
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 2>It'd be embarrassing if they if they didn't with all

907
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the natural advantages that they have. But yeah, but they have.

908
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>But also we used to have Yorkshire and Lancashire Cups

909
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like the Calcutter Cup in the Six

910
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Nations or whatever it is. Now that England plays Scotland

911
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>as part of the Six Nations and somebody gets the

912
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Calcutter Cup. I would like to float the idea that

913
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.840
<v Speaker 1>we give either the old Lancashire and Yorkshire Cups out

914
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 1>to the teams that finish highest in the ladder. So

915
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>for example last year Wigan. Oh, you could either do

916
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>it on the ladder or you could do on the

917
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Super League playoffs. Right, so just using the Super League playoffs,

918
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Wigan and Hookingson Rovers would each get one each would

919
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>get a langshare in the Yorkshire Cup as well, or

920
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>you could do it or the ladder and that would

921
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:15.360
<v Speaker 1>literally mean every game could mean something because if you

922
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.960
<v Speaker 1>could get bragging rights and do not do not underestimate

923
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people in Lancashire and Yorkshire really

924
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 1>do want to get one up on the on their

925
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:30.039
<v Speaker 1>local rivals in any way that they can. So that

926
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.280
<v Speaker 1>was just an idea that are floated so that there's

927
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.519
<v Speaker 1>more newsworthy things that we can we can take pictures

928
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.159
<v Speaker 1>of and report on. So I thought it'd be a

929
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 1>great idea to bring back the Orchestra and Lancshire Cups

930
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>to the teams that finish highest.

931
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:49.360
<v Speaker 2>If you want they really have a.

932
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Well you wouldn't because you're an aussy, right, But the

933
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 1>yorkid Lancire Cups were huge.

934
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 2>They were huge, you know.

935
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 1>The Yorkshire Lancshire Cups as old almost the game itself

936
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and therefore, and then one day we just decided it

937
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 1>was no too many games, We're not doing it anymore.

938
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts you could do with this. You could

939
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>have a historical Yorkshire and Lancashire Cup winners since the

940
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.480
<v Speaker 1>early nineties. You could do that as well. I think

941
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 1>there'd be great news stories, great cycles, and that would

942
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>have added a bit more spice to the game last

943
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 1>week between the two French teams as well, and you

944
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 1>never know. They could be an end of season fixture

945
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 1>between two sides that just means that little who were

946
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 1>both in the finals, It could just mean that little

947
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.920
<v Speaker 1>bit more so, Yeah, it's passed through. The Committee of

948
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:42.079
<v Speaker 1>me has decided. You might not have seen this. John

949
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Abdo was on James Graham's podcast It comes out

950
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 1>here on a Sunday morning in Australia, and based on

951
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.440
<v Speaker 1>what I heard, he never said it's happening. But based

952
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>on what I heard, I am now very confident the

953
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 1>NRL will be investing in the Super League.

954
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't. I didn't know it was on that podcast.

955
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I haven't listened to it. I will seek it out. Look,

956
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 2>I think Peter Landys has been the last boys. He's

957
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.000
<v Speaker 2>been talking about it. You know. I think I think

958
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.079
<v Speaker 2>things going on on the scenes. I haven't heard anything

959
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>specifically from any sources of people I speak to, but yeah,

960
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I think of said numerous times. I think it needs

961
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 2>to happen. I think it deal needs to happen. We

962
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 2>need to come together. I do worry about the British

963
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>game if something like this doesn't happen, if there isn't

964
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:43.320
<v Speaker 2>expertise and investment in the sport. Yeah, the RFL last

965
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 2>week released its annual report. Yeah, talk about that. Yeah, yeah,

966
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean there had been a small profit I think

967
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 2>of about four and a half thousand pounds, which there

968
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.440
<v Speaker 2>was a projected loss, which is a good thing. But

969
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think there's been massive cost cutting going

970
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 2>on at the RFL. And look, you read the you

971
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>read the annual report, and you know, everything sounds awesome

972
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and rosy and fantastic. And you know, there has been

973
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 2>some positive this season, and I'm not saying that hasn't it.

974
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Crowds are up, I think, you know, I think TV

975
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 2>ratings have been a reasonably good place. But you know,

976
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 2>we've also talked about all the other things going on,

977
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, clubs going bust, you know, issues that left

978
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 2>right and center. We can't, you know, be that's kind

979
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.800
<v Speaker 2>of head in the sand that everything's perfect. There's there's

980
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:40.440
<v Speaker 2>severe issues in the in the sport. So yeah, I

981
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.639
<v Speaker 2>think it's you know, a mixed a mixed bag. Shall

982
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>we say, there's a man of steel? Is it a

983
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 2>short list? Being yes, sad, Yes, there's been a short

984
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 2>list from uh. I think I'm trying to remember the

985
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 2>exact amount of rounds but I think round ten to nineteen,

986
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 2>which was announced last week, some interesting choices. Even the

987
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.679
<v Speaker 2>way the press release came out, it wasn't kind of

988
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:16.840
<v Speaker 2>clear necessarily leading, but Jake Connor and Ashnley are are

989
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>joint top in the latest rankings. Lockie Miller is his third,

990
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and then we've got the likes of just coming down.

991
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's Brad O'Neil fourth and Niamila Hanley fifth,

992
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:37.320
<v Speaker 2>then Mikael Lewis or the Ashaal bought and then the

993
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 2>likes of Tyrone May, Michael Civo and Daryl Clark. Now

994
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting, you know, Daryl Clark perhaps being

995
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>in there, but also interesting you know who's who's not

996
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 2>been in there? No Wakefield players, which you think is

997
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.440
<v Speaker 2>is fairly remarkable. I know there's been a bit of

998
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 2>debate about that shortlist, and yeah, I still don't know

999
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>what I had to change the system. I've got this

1000
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 2>this panel now with the likes of Joe Lyon and

1001
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Hillary Hanley, etc. Who were all great players and former

1002
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.199
<v Speaker 2>as a Man of Steel, But I just didn't don't

1003
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.679
<v Speaker 2>understand why we needed to change it from that system

1004
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.679
<v Speaker 2>of every game you give three points to one player

1005
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 2>two to another and one to another to the best performers,

1006
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.840
<v Speaker 2>whether they be on either side, like the Daly am

1007
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 2>but works in Australia, I don't see why we needed

1008
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 2>to change you here. And even this short list of

1009
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.960
<v Speaker 2>certain games. I mean, I think Daryl Clark had only

1010
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.760
<v Speaker 2>played a handful of those games because he was injured

1011
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.079
<v Speaker 2>at that period. And also, you know, Sir Alan's have

1012
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.039
<v Speaker 2>been fairly poor, so some of the choices are a

1013
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:44.440
<v Speaker 2>bit odd.

1014
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>But I can't help but thinking as well that this

1015
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 1>man of steel mob alike, let's make sure Jake Connor

1016
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>gets a man of steel or at least top two

1017
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 1>after last.

1018
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Year one man of steel last year he just didn't

1019
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the England look. I think Jake definitely deserves to be

1020
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:04.920
<v Speaker 2>up there. He's been fantastic. I mean you look at

1021
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you look at the Leeds that Ash Handley has been great. Obviously,

1022
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Cibo has been great. I mean Brady Croft, I think

1023
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:12.599
<v Speaker 2>he might be second to the try. I mean, he's

1024
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 2>been fantastic this year. But you could go across, you know,

1025
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:17.800
<v Speaker 2>the Leeds team. I think Cooper Jenkins has been great.

1026
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I think James McDonald's been fantastic, you know, Leeds have

1027
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>not really had a poor player. I think Brad O'Neill

1028
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>has been very very good this season, deserves about I mean,

1029
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Oli Partington has been fantastic for a wigind they've obviously

1030
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Wiggins had a lot of changes, a lot of injuries,

1031
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of shoffing around, but Brad O'Neil has been great.

1032
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Luke Thompson he's another one who's who's been great. So

1033
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:42.360
<v Speaker 2>you know the fact that whole kr have got two

1034
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.039
<v Speaker 2>players in there, and I think Tyrone Mayans had a

1035
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 2>good season, but overall as the team, they've been very poor,

1036
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:53.639
<v Speaker 2>so that's perhaps a bit odd. But yeah, I think

1037
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:55.760
<v Speaker 2>they've tried, they've tried to change the system around to

1038
00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:00.880
<v Speaker 2>give it maybe more publicity, more more poors, but I

1039
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>don't think necessarily has happened, and I think there could

1040
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 2>be a bit more transparency really. I think we've got

1041
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a question about that in our question section, which we'll

1042
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.840
<v Speaker 2>get to in a minute. But yeah, it's a bit

1043
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of a muddel this this this system.

1044
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Midland Hurricanes, was it you who interviewed the chairman

1045
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.760
<v Speaker 1>It was the future of the championship, Yes, the the.

1046
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Chairman and the owner and yeah, I think it kind

1047
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 2>of ties into basically what he said was that he

1048
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 2>welcomes the NRL. You know, he's obviously running an expansion

1049
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:41.880
<v Speaker 2>club and has been for four or four or five years,

1050
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and they're having a good season Midlands, you know, the

1051
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:50.119
<v Speaker 2>best season probably in their in their very short history,

1052
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.639
<v Speaker 2>obviously coming up from League One. But yeah, I think

1053
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I think he's He's comments were basically about, you know,

1054
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.320
<v Speaker 2>we need to look outside the kind of on that

1055
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.599
<v Speaker 2>are we generating, and you know, we need to change

1056
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.119
<v Speaker 2>as a sport. And you know we talk about this

1057
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.079
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast and privately all the time, don't we.

1058
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.159
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think his sentiments in his views are

1059
01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:14.599
<v Speaker 2>spot on.

1060
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Lomaks are signed for Papua New Guinea in the NRL.

1061
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Not a bad signing for them?

1062
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Is he? Is he playing AFL that or cricket?

1063
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 1>And Adam Adam Dowey is falling out with the Tigers.

1064
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Every time I open the phone there's an email alert

1065
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:40.360
<v Speaker 1>from the Daily Telegraph.

1066
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Do he staying? Do his going? Do his talking to Benji?

1067
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Do his not talking to Benji? This has been an

1068
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:53.760
<v Speaker 2>absolute show. Modzele, Just on the Lomax thing first up, Look,

1069
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great signing for PNG. Before he

1070
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 2>left Rugular he was, you know, one of the best

1071
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 2>wingers winger slash centers in the world. And I think

1072
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:08.480
<v Speaker 2>he's a great signing. And obviously not you know, this

1073
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.280
<v Speaker 2>is a rugby league podcast and we're going to throw

1074
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sympathy for rugby and if you are,

1075
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.239
<v Speaker 2>if you are straucking rugby or the fourth or all

1076
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:22.679
<v Speaker 2>of it, you just be like what the fuck Like seriously. Yeah, again,

1077
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.039
<v Speaker 2>we're going to remember that loanents he was going to.

1078
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It was that long ago, what was it called the

1079
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 2>broke through sixty yes, which of course never happened, and

1080
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 2>then there was the whole Melbourne Paramatta saga that went

1081
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.679
<v Speaker 2>to court over Lomax. Yeah, you just think he's got

1082
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.719
<v Speaker 2>to stay in the one spot for a while. But yeah,

1083
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.960
<v Speaker 2>P and G Chiefs are great signing for them. You know,

1084
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.599
<v Speaker 2>they're just I mean, I know they've got some they've

1085
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:49.159
<v Speaker 2>obviously got some disadvantage, but they've got some strong advantages

1086
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.639
<v Speaker 2>in not paying tax and all the government and third

1087
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:56.000
<v Speaker 2>party support in P and G. But they are I

1088
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 2>think building a pretty strong club. Anything. You see Bold

1089
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Nagers assistant coach there as well, he's got a I

1090
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 2>think a close relationship with Willie Peters. Obviously, you know,

1091
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.079
<v Speaker 2>run a few NRL clubs, so he's got a lot

1092
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 2>of experience. So you could say they're building their rosstar

1093
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and their club pretty well. Michael Chamis, you know, it

1094
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.559
<v Speaker 2>was obviously a top geno and a very smart operator.

1095
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:21.039
<v Speaker 2>So good signs, I would say for the Chiefs, For

1096
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Adam Dewey. I mean, I'm glad I'm not a Tiger's fan.

1097
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know my club's obviously lost again and

1098
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 2>we're not doing that well. But there we get to them. Yeah,

1099
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:33.719
<v Speaker 2>well I didn't. I didn't watch the game release, so

1100
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.360
<v Speaker 2>we can we can skip over that, but we're not

1101
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:40.679
<v Speaker 2>skipping off. Well, you're a salted fan. I don't think

1102
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 2>you can really.

1103
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:45.880
<v Speaker 1>A Salford fanom from Salford and care, but I don't.

1104
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I sometimes forget to check the results.

1105
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:52.800
<v Speaker 2>So but no, the West Tigers, I mean I thought

1106
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.559
<v Speaker 2>a year or more ago they'd finally kind of got

1107
01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.599
<v Speaker 2>some stability and they were progressing in the right areas

1108
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and even the start this is I remember we were

1109
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.320
<v Speaker 2>doing a podcast during the year and they were I

1110
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.960
<v Speaker 2>think there were fourth weren't they and it was like, oh, this,

1111
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:09.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, this could be it, and then it's just

1112
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Dowy thing is interesting because I think

1113
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.159
<v Speaker 2>he loves that club and he's bled for it, but

1114
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and there are other things going on. But it's never

1115
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 2>a good look where a coach says, and you know,

1116
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:22.679
<v Speaker 2>you're a coach, like if you said, all player, look,

1117
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever the position is, you're you're playing here

1118
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.559
<v Speaker 2>this weekend. Effectively, you do have to do what your

1119
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.719
<v Speaker 2>coach says, don't you like, it's not a great look

1120
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're pushing back against the coach and say.

1121
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.639
<v Speaker 1>There's a thousand reasons why this might have happened, and

1122
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.559
<v Speaker 1>none of them are good from the outside. So Jerome

1123
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.239
<v Speaker 1>blue Eyes on his way out and therefore probably had

1124
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.599
<v Speaker 1>eyes on the number six jersey and a bit more money.

1125
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Number two. He's only just signed an extension. Jerome blue

1126
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Eyes on his way out, and therefore if he if

1127
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:58.239
<v Speaker 1>he went to another club immediately, if you like, or

1128
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 1>in or very soon, then he could maybe get two

1129
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 1>contracts for the rest of his career. Because he's twenty

1130
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 1>eight in just over a week, so essentially he's in

1131
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:12.119
<v Speaker 1>his peak. Number three, he's probably gone here we go again.

1132
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:14.960
<v Speaker 1>The Tigers are imploding and all I've done is been

1133
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.280
<v Speaker 1>at this club number four. We've just announced and sprooked

1134
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 1>a big TV deal and he's probably thinking, well, I

1135
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 1>can really maximize my earnings over the next two cycles

1136
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.440
<v Speaker 1>if you like, of my contract, and I've just locked

1137
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.079
<v Speaker 1>myself in for three years or whatever it may be,

1138
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and really I need to renegotiate.

1139
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I.

1140
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:39.679
<v Speaker 1>And honestly the way it's been handled, I'm not joking

1141
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.840
<v Speaker 1>when I say the email alerts. One minute you think

1142
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.079
<v Speaker 1>do he won't be there anymore. Next minute he's having

1143
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.920
<v Speaker 1>peace talks with the players and the coach and everything else.

1144
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 2>It's an absolute mess. Talking of an absolute mess before

1145
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 2>you Segreely, you've been living in Australia for what twenty years?

1146
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Is the Targets. There's more leaks in the Target than

1147
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the Titanic. Would you say that the most leaky club

1148
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.320
<v Speaker 2>in the NRL, because there seems to be just whenever

1149
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.239
<v Speaker 2>something like this happens, it's just report after report after

1150
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:13.960
<v Speaker 2>leak after leak. I'll tell you what else is leaking? Mate.

1151
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Manly's defense, they got absolutely battered the other day by

1152
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Cronuller and I have to bring this up because you're

1153
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.800
<v Speaker 1>doing everything you can to avoid it. You were spooking

1154
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 1>about fozball gearing was a matter of two months ago maybe,

1155
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, don't you don't you don't. Don't

1156
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.519
<v Speaker 1>get too kind away, John here, this guy has never

1157
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.840
<v Speaker 1>coached before and it's an absolute mess now and Storm

1158
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and Broncos probably because of their defeats at the weekend,

1159
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.440
<v Speaker 1>they're probably gone now. So that's probably the biggest news

1160
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:50.880
<v Speaker 1>from the NRL. We're up to questions now, So while

1161
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:54.360
<v Speaker 1>you get yours ready, I got one directly to me

1162
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:59.480
<v Speaker 1>from Rich the early Bird, who said highly relatively quick

1163
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:03.800
<v Speaker 1>one for you rear potential rule change. Currently, if a

1164
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.000
<v Speaker 1>team lose a player sinbin red card, a scrumble pack

1165
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.239
<v Speaker 1>down with just five players, so that team has still

1166
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:13.119
<v Speaker 1>has seven backs, three theoretically in open space, so from

1167
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a scrum there is no advantage to the opposition. This

1168
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.440
<v Speaker 1>probably worked in the days of winning the ball against

1169
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.679
<v Speaker 1>the head and contested scrums, but in today's sanitized world

1170
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of a scrum basically being a chance for a breather,

1171
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:27.199
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. I think a team down to twelve to eleven,

1172
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.719
<v Speaker 1>et cetera should still have to pack down with six players,

1173
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.159
<v Speaker 1>which then opens the field for the opposition, especially if

1174
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the opposition have the feed. I'd be interested to hear

1175
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.159
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on this. Scrums frustrate me as teams don't

1176
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:41.400
<v Speaker 1>put on plays to the extent I believe they should

1177
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:44.400
<v Speaker 1>from scrums, but I think this may well open up

1178
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of really punishing a team of sind. I

1179
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.559
<v Speaker 1>think it's a great idea, Rich, and it's not that

1180
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:51.480
<v Speaker 1>big a change really, It's just you have to pack

1181
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:56.639
<v Speaker 1>down with six, get six in there and yeah, so

1182
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I like that rich John likes it in his head.

1183
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:05.639
<v Speaker 2>All the questionips do we have. We've got some questions

1184
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.880
<v Speaker 2>on X and some questions on Facebook, one from Nick

1185
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Goog what's happening with the NRL doing If it doesn't happen,

1186
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 2>rugby league is dead over here. I think we've kind

1187
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of covered that, haven't we Just previously question from Jeff

1188
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Straud or neutral referees that desperately needed last night Wigan

1189
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.560
<v Speaker 2>was appalling. We did touch a little bit on referees,

1190
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:30.600
<v Speaker 2>but I think ideally referees not from that area, you know,

1191
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:35.000
<v Speaker 2>refereeing that their hometown club would be great. But we

1192
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 2>don't have a lot, particularly in England, we don't have

1193
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.479
<v Speaker 2>a lot of referees, so what we're supposed to do?

1194
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know there's one Australian reference super League.

1195
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Do we import more Australian referees to England? I don't

1196
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.279
<v Speaker 2>know that. You know, Ashally Klein obviously did quite a

1197
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.920
<v Speaker 2>few years in Super League, but yeah, we've got to

1198
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 2>make the best use of what we have. Jeff looking

1199
01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:00.199
<v Speaker 2>onto X. There was a question from Ian why any

1200
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.199
<v Speaker 2>line on a new title sponsor for Super League Betford's

1201
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.800
<v Speaker 2>still set to expire end of this season. I haven't

1202
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:08.760
<v Speaker 2>heard a lot about this, but I think it is

1203
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:13.119
<v Speaker 2>likely that Betfread will renew. I think they do get

1204
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot out of the sport and it's a fairly

1205
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.920
<v Speaker 2>successful sponsorship. So in terms of what figure, I don't know,

1206
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.720
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's likely that they were anew question

1207
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:26.640
<v Speaker 2>from Leonard Gregory Top six question mark TV deal Is

1208
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.640
<v Speaker 2>it done yet? I know it's probably been a lot

1209
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:34.119
<v Speaker 2>of conjecture about the TV dealer this week. Someone known

1210
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:37.319
<v Speaker 2>for inventing things may have invented that. It was sort

1211
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:39.960
<v Speaker 2>of with Sky. I spoke to a few people and

1212
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe any deal is done as of yet,

1213
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:49.359
<v Speaker 2>so again people you just kind of want to watch who,

1214
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:54.520
<v Speaker 2>what you read and why. But yeah, I think negotiations

1215
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:56.560
<v Speaker 2>are still going on. I think it's probably most likely

1216
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a a new deal with Sky, but in what shape

1217
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.960
<v Speaker 2>or form I don't know. On the other bit, top six,

1218
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:07.319
<v Speaker 2>we didn't talk a lot about thisly, but obviously we

1219
01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:10.800
<v Speaker 2>went through the table. I don't see a lot of change,

1220
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's so tight. So really, did you get a

1221
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.840
<v Speaker 2>question about the top six? Did you? Well, it was

1222
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.079
<v Speaker 2>just basically top six question mark, which was I think,

1223
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:22.159
<v Speaker 2>who do you think will finish in the top six

1224
01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and make the playoffs? If you look at that table,

1225
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's what so now it's the seventh same

1226
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 2>points as whole k Are, and then you've got fifth

1227
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and fourth in Warrington and Lee on twenty six points,

1228
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:38.359
<v Speaker 2>and then I jump four points to a Wigan in

1229
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Wakefield on thirty and obviously Leeds top. Look, I don't

1230
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.840
<v Speaker 2>think there's any doubt Leads will finish top. I can't

1231
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:47.560
<v Speaker 2>see them collapsing, even though obviously they've had a few injuries.

1232
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that Warranton, wholew and you the one you

1233
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:54.439
<v Speaker 2>keep checking out, that's going to be massive in the

1234
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:58.560
<v Speaker 2>scheme of yea. But even look, I think we'd have

1235
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.039
<v Speaker 2>to compare each club's running. I think when we're not

1236
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:03.960
<v Speaker 2>seven rounds from the end, maybe next week or a

1237
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<v Speaker 2>week after, we can we can analyze that closely. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably a two way battle between Whole

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01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Car and St Helens for that sixth spot. Like Lee,

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01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you're in sensational form and I don't see that changing.

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01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Warrington have been up and down, but I think they've

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<v Speaker 2>got enough there to make the six. You know, Wigan

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01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:27.279
<v Speaker 2>and Wakefield will we'll finish the top.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's every chance who's in the six right

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01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:33.079
<v Speaker 1>now as we record will be the six. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>what it is important is how Saint Helen's bounced back

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<v Speaker 1>from losing their coach. That's the important thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they haven't. They haven't just lost their coach,

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01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.840
<v Speaker 2>they've lost Daryl Clark out for us the season as well.

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01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.880
<v Speaker 2>They've got so many players out and I think you

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01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:54.439
<v Speaker 2>look at Whole k Are, I think, you know, there's

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01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:56.119
<v Speaker 2>not been a great season for Whole Car when you

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01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:58.760
<v Speaker 2>compare them to last year, but they've still got you know,

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01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:01.800
<v Speaker 2>a fairly they've still got a very good squad and

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01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, apart from Michael Lewis, Artam mauls back now

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01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:08.680
<v Speaker 2>they're nearly at full strength. As I said Leah in

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01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Red Hot Form, we're gonna getting wins Wakefielder and Red

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01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Hot Form. Yeah, it's going to be I think a

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01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:19.520
<v Speaker 2>two way shootout between that Whole Guns and Allens. And

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01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.039
<v Speaker 2>look if if Warrenton beat Whole Car that's definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>massive boost for Sin Allens when they've got that extra

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01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:31.840
<v Speaker 2>game those two clubs. So yeah, look, Carlaan's are in eighth,

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01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:35.000
<v Speaker 2>there's six points off Hellns. I think they're done. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been saying that for quite a few weeks. And the

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<v Speaker 2>really other interesting battle, although at the bottom is is

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<v Speaker 2>the Spoon because obviously we've got the Spoon battle. I

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<v Speaker 2>think on Thursday night, haven't we Haddestfield? So Hardest Field

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<v Speaker 2>win that and they're two points so you would think

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<v Speaker 2>Hardest Field are nailed on for the Spoon. But the

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<v Speaker 2>way I obviously are going, how badly they're going, it's possible,

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<v Speaker 2>as you is there any more questions? There is some more.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry I just went off on a nice little tangent.

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01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:13.880
<v Speaker 2>There The more questions there was just switching my screen back.

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01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.720
<v Speaker 2>There was a question from Phil Turner. Should the referees

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<v Speaker 2>be encouraging teams to use the captain's challenge of the

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01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:22.039
<v Speaker 2>minute they are giving a decision against them. Surely it's

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<v Speaker 2>the team's a grievance to approach the referee, not vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a good look and further encourages hold ups

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<v Speaker 2>in play. Yeah, lisays no, I agree, no spot on.

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01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Phil got a question from Kai Gil which was a

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<v Speaker 2>really good question. Thanks for this, Kai. If there was

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<v Speaker 2>one player, both current and former rugby league player you'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to sit down for a discussion, who would it be?

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<v Speaker 2>M Now, this really stumped me when I read it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think former player I think probably would be Well

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<v Speaker 2>I had to actually Fulton, I think would be would

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01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:04.880
<v Speaker 2>be fascinating, sadly no longer with us. And the other

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<v Speaker 2>one is Roy Francis, which I know you read the

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01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:14.000
<v Speaker 2>book about fantastic book by Professor Tony Collins and you

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01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.039
<v Speaker 2>know what an amazing life he had and a trailblazer

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01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:22.680
<v Speaker 2>current players. It's a good one. I'd like to meet

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Gibson, Yes, I mean another I've read a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of Andrew Webster's book, and I'm obviously he was a

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<v Speaker 2>well you know, I say criminal, but it was a

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01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:34.079
<v Speaker 2>bit of a bounce, it wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a standard, very very colorful, but obviously understood

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<v Speaker 1>coaching as well well.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the greatest coaches ever and changed the game

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. So yeah, he would be great current players.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a good one. I I.

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<v Speaker 1>Like opinionated players, so and there's a few I think,

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<v Speaker 1>who would I like to sit down with now?

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01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Current player? That's a tough one. I was. I was

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01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it through the act. You know, I've been

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01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 2>able to many be nice and clear and monster and brain.

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01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:19.520
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of the top players that I've been

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01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:23.199
<v Speaker 2>lacking off to interview. But someone I haven't, that's yeah,

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01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I might have to think about that, sorry, Car a

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01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:28.039
<v Speaker 2>little bit longer, because that is a is a really

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01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:28.560
<v Speaker 2>good question.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd like to speak to somebody associated with

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01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the motor neuron disease thing, So somebody like keV Sinfield

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01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.319
<v Speaker 1>I've got I always an ex player. I used to

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01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:44.119
<v Speaker 1>play with his brother Ian, but I don't know Kevin.

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01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:49.039
<v Speaker 1>But obviously Gy Arrow until recently was a was a

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01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:54.439
<v Speaker 1>current player. The Burgess boys about because their dad had

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01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.319
<v Speaker 1>multieuron disease as well. So yeah, so yeah, it's a

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01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:01.680
<v Speaker 1>tough one. That it's a tough one because I mean,

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01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:04.439
<v Speaker 1>my first instinct when you said former player was Kevin Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Ward was one of my favorite players, the old proper. Yeah,

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01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:13.359
<v Speaker 1>but you don't. I don't know Kevin Ward, but I would,

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01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine, you know, he might be a man

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01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of few words. I don't know, it might not be

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01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the best chat. Probably a very tough paths that I imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it might not understand his accent or something. Yeah,

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01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.560
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, current one. That's that's tough. You mentioned the Burgesses.

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01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:33.279
<v Speaker 2>I've interviewed Sam Berge a few times, and you know,

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01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:36.840
<v Speaker 2>when he wants to be he's He's quite an interesting interview.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll move on to last question from Nazarenko about the

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<v Speaker 2>Man of Steel panel. Handley should be removed in his

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<v Speaker 2>votes made null and void twice, he's significantly compromised the

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01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:51.439
<v Speaker 2>ability of the system. Were refusing to vote on a

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01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.920
<v Speaker 2>required number of players. If you don't want to follow

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01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the rules of the job trot on which I wasn't.

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01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't aware and I'm not sure if this is

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<v Speaker 2>the case that he hasn't made all the required number

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01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:06.600
<v Speaker 2>of voter on the require number of players. I did

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01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.680
<v Speaker 2>try and see some clarification on that, but it wasn't

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01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:13.760
<v Speaker 2>able to. But yeah, if that is the case, that's

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01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:15.720
<v Speaker 2>a bit strange if you're not sort of following the

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01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.359
<v Speaker 2>learning platform, if you you know there's five players.

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<v Speaker 1>That you need to I actually, I actually, I actually

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01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:26.960
<v Speaker 1>slightly disagree. If he's if he's just do if he's

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01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:30.199
<v Speaker 1>doing if he's doing it because he's not doesn't know

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01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.199
<v Speaker 1>the rules, then he probably needs to be reminded of

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01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the rules. But he might actually be doing it because

1347
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, let's say you've got to pick five players.

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01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it sits there because he's a hard task master,

1349
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:42.640
<v Speaker 1>right it was a hard task master as a player

1350
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:46.640
<v Speaker 1>about and as a coach. He might just be saying, well,

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01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>there's only three good enough that I'll want to give

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01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.840
<v Speaker 1>votes for. And I always say, I always say that

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01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a decision not to vote is a vote in itself,

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01:17:57.119 --> 01:17:57.640
<v Speaker 1>so we.

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01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Need to docut vote. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you've if you've got a gun to your

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01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:06.279
<v Speaker 1>head to vol and you decide no, I'm not going

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01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.359
<v Speaker 1>to use that. If you're doing it conscientiously. That's actually

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01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a volt. So I think we need to hear from

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01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.079
<v Speaker 1>mister Hamley's first before we jump to any conclusions.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is what I thought too. Obviously he signs in

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01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:23.479
<v Speaker 2>the rankings. Is that true potential of confident? I know

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01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:26.600
<v Speaker 2>they're not well as I understand they're not close at all.

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01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Rugby League conflict of interest? You're joking, aren't you. We're

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01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:33.680
<v Speaker 2>not gonna We're not gonna go down to break and

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01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:36.960
<v Speaker 2>ask their d Anyone will let that one get through.

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01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:40.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that was all the questions. Again, Thanks to

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01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.680
<v Speaker 2>everyone who's sending a question or a topic much Brushada.

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01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.640
<v Speaker 2>We really enjoy the feedback, don't we leave.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get them to me admin at Rugby League

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01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Coach dot com, say you or tag me in at

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01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Coach on Facebook and Instagram. Johnny d Davidson

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01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:01.479
<v Speaker 1>on X on X and John Davidson journalist on Facebook

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01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and on Instagram as as well. Next week Huddersfield at

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01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:08.439
<v Speaker 1>home to Whole FC on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>What a thriller? Who's going to win that one? John? Yeah? Well,

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01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:16.520
<v Speaker 2>as I just said, it's it's a It's a thriller

1378
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:20.760
<v Speaker 2>in its own Way Scoon battle. Yeah, look, I think

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01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.399
<v Speaker 2>at the moment, look, all were better. Still not good

1380
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:25.760
<v Speaker 2>enough against whole card, but I think I just feel,

1381
01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:28.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, hopefully that win gives them a lot of

1382
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:33.560
<v Speaker 2>confidence breaking that massive losing run. Hal put out that

1383
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:37.399
<v Speaker 2>bizarre statement over the week which we haven't really talked about,

1384
01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:41.640
<v Speaker 2>but kind of a list of excuses and apologies from

1385
01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the owners. I went on BBC humber Side and talked

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01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:47.119
<v Speaker 2>about it actually, and I think you know helf C fans,

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01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:51.199
<v Speaker 2>long suffering fans, they want action, don't they not empty words.

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01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:55.520
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that the pressure is on that club. They

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01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.520
<v Speaker 2>need to turn things around. So yeah, it could be

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01:19:58.800 --> 01:19:59.920
<v Speaker 2>quite a fascinating game.

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01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Friday, eight o'clock, three games, hul Kingston Rovers, host Bradford Bulls.

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01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Well have we got three games on the same time?

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01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Haven't we learned from this? Can you just give you tip? John? Okay, okay,

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01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Bradford Bradford basically polling players for around. I'm surprised I

1395
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>hadn't signed you for for this weekend.

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01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:31.079
<v Speaker 1>That I fit the size quota for the front row

1397
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:36.079
<v Speaker 1>back based on their nineties quite fit the minute actually

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01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:40.279
<v Speaker 1>lead Rhinos play to lose. I can only see that

1399
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:46.800
<v Speaker 1>going one way and to lose are going to flog them? No, no,

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01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.279
<v Speaker 1>based on based on last week, we have to wedge

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01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:49.720
<v Speaker 1>our best.

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01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:54.720
<v Speaker 2>I think either way, I think Leeds will win. But

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01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:59.359
<v Speaker 2>any any to quote mister Start, any outcomes as possible.

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01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Lee Leopards host Wigan. That's a bigger actually a bigger

1405
01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that is when they host Wigan.

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01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:12.079
<v Speaker 2>It's the bus stop derby. Yeah, that'll be there's no

1407
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.079
<v Speaker 2>love lost between at least the fans and we'll maybe

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01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the owners of these clubs Ley are in great form,

1409
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:21.359
<v Speaker 2>but I think they've got a massive change to going.

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01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Look I think we're going you put Bevan French back

1411
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:27.600
<v Speaker 2>a tay Bevan French at his best is his next level.

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01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:31.199
<v Speaker 2>But you know Leah are full of confidence, a lot

1413
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:35.560
<v Speaker 2>of momentum, big four back, great back, so quite evenly matched.

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01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:36.960
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think it will be a hell.

1415
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Of a game in what will be a great relief

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01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:42.239
<v Speaker 1>to Johnny Davidson. There's three games on Saturday, but at

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01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:46.880
<v Speaker 1>different times, and so Tigers play Warrington at three o'clock.

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01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Following Castleford's bipolar John They're going to this week.

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01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Well didn't I think it was a season in Warrington

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01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:01.640
<v Speaker 2>put seventy on them and tipping Castleford. I'm going to

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01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:05.680
<v Speaker 2>tip warrant on this one, but again, any any results

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01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:06.600
<v Speaker 2>as possible.

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01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:12.039
<v Speaker 1>York Knights host Saint Helen's at five point thirty.

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01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a tough one a bit because until the

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01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Horderstell game in yorka on a bit of a winning run,

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01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:24.159
<v Speaker 2>weren't they. I think maybe Saint Helen's might just the

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01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>experience at this level might might get them over. But

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01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I expect that one to be a close again.

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01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:36.000
<v Speaker 1>And at eight o'clock Catalans host Wakefield Trinity.

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01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Even over in the warm south of France. I think

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01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Wakefield what six in a row, as you said, and

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01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I think they've won something like nine to last ten

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01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:51.880
<v Speaker 2>or something crazy. I think Wakefield will. We'll get that one.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's nothing in the Super League on Sunday, John,

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01:22:55.760 --> 01:23:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's just stupidity for me. So Friday the

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<v Speaker 2>three fixtures. Saturday, Yeah, that's right, Yeah, no fixtures. I

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01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:07.560
<v Speaker 2>don't see why we couldn't have at two o'clock Sunday

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01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:12.720
<v Speaker 2>game and a four o'clock Sunday game. Yeah, it just

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make sense to me, particularly when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the the venues. The whole our game is that

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<v Speaker 2>Groven Park? Is it not? Yeah? Yeah, so they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I understand why clubs want to plan on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night. They get more corporates than so it's more

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<v Speaker 2>financially beneficial. But you know, whole Hower around their stadium,

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01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:41.319
<v Speaker 2>they could they could play a game on Saturday. Wigan,

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01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Well they are in their stadium and the football season

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01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:49.399
<v Speaker 2>is not in so you know Unle's is that is that? Sorry?

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01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Is the Wigan game at Wigan? Or is that Lee

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<v Speaker 2>at Lee's First? Yes? Sorry, they don't know in that stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I just this is I was sure. I

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<v Speaker 2>think part of the new TV deal there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be a bit more coordination from the clubs and the

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<v Speaker 2>broadcaster in terms of not putting fixtures head ahead. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it should be something of the past. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>been signing that for years and years and I'll keep

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<v Speaker 2>signing it to chin.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I got feeling if I don't end this podcast soon,

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<v Speaker 1>John's going to keep winging. So we'll we'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>next week. You never know, we might be out a

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<v Speaker 1>bit earlier next week if there's no game on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see we're working out. We're a bit late

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<v Speaker 1>this week, we were very early last week, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be. It'll be around out roughly the same time

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<v Speaker 2>each week, so enjoy your rugby league