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<v Speaker 1>Hey, let's record a podcast. Let's record a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go what let's go we have podcasts. Funk. I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna say something there goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you thinking about you know, our Lord and

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<v Speaker 3>Savior Victor Wembianna coming to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so it's so great. Uh. The the NBA playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>are fantastic. You can you know two nights ago you

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<v Speaker 2>have a regardless of anything about the thunder. Uh, their

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<v Speaker 2>team is really good.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was that there was nobody that was really

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<v Speaker 2>uh checking them, like nobody that really could and now

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<v Speaker 2>there is and so it's really cool because yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it and uh one Ben you is just insane.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taken down the the nefarious uh uh uh chet Holmgren,

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<v Speaker 2>chet and yahoo as he's been christened by some Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it no, it's uh yeah, it is great. It was

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<v Speaker 2>uh man, you just you can't like there's just something

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<v Speaker 2>about like watching that and experiencing it, and like something

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<v Speaker 2>that I have noticed recently is I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>it's weird that like sports Twitter is not bad, like

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<v Speaker 2>when big games are on, and I was like that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like I was and I was like because

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean it's like when when the like big

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<v Speaker 2>ship is going down, like uh, like big football games,

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<v Speaker 2>basketball games, even soccer and stuff like that. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like the whole thing is just like going nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I was like, what happened? And then I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of realized that like people, like a lot of Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot more than had previously been, are now

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<v Speaker 2>like perfectly fine just putting politics into sports. Like whatever

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<v Speaker 2>divide there was for that, which was probably just the

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<v Speaker 2>divide of living that that gets set up when you

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<v Speaker 2>live in the the Imperial Core. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>worry about politics and stuff like that as a personal thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you do. And now it's like oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like no, like it's you know because earlier in the

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<v Speaker 2>day on what was it, Monday, Yeah, on Monday they

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<v Speaker 2>the some op ed had been posted in Oklahoma, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the Oklahoma which is an Oka see

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<v Speaker 2>paper and it was like the thunder grade on the

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<v Speaker 2>court and they're great, like another thing, just like Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just like wait, what.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like when you sent me that, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this not like.

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<v Speaker 3>Written from the perspective of me a Sonics fan? It

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<v Speaker 3>was like real, oh my god, he admitted out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where it's like it's like, oh yeah, fucking stealing

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<v Speaker 3>fucking people's team slash Land and like what.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from the history of the team, which which you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're absolutely right and apart, but aside from that, like

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<v Speaker 2>that is it's so it's in such fucking awful like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like you both enjoy jenocide, like.

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<v Speaker 2>What inherently disrespectful Like if I was if I was

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<v Speaker 2>a player on that team, you know, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you that not all of them agree with

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<v Speaker 2>any of that stuff. With that stuff, I'm sure some do,

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<v Speaker 2>but like like I'd be like, get this, take this

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<v Speaker 2>ship down. I Am like, what the fuck is wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with you? I you know, we're not. Yeah, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>but like yeah, so like people are just like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, like we're just going to tee off on

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. People don't like the Thunder anyway. For for

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean, they win, which people hate, and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also for the like you know, the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Sonic stuff, and uh, you know, their fans are

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<v Speaker 2>really annoyed. Like you know, it's like a yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know so, uh so I'm you know so I just like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I just keep noticing that like that, like people like

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<v Speaker 2>it's being inflicted with the stuff. And there's been this

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<v Speaker 2>long running thing all season where uh that Israeli player

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<v Speaker 2>who plays on the Trailblazers, Denny I think his last

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<v Speaker 2>name is Advia Avdya uh and he was in the

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<v Speaker 2>idea and he's like very proud of is Roel and

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<v Speaker 2>everything like that, where like he was booed at like

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<v Speaker 2>arenas constantly and stuff like that, and it's just like, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that Americans have kind of figured out

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<v Speaker 2>that like the two things go hand in hand. They

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<v Speaker 2>aren't they they aren't separate and and I don't and

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<v Speaker 2>I think people have finally figured out that, like you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>like when it involves real people and real things that

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<v Speaker 2>are ongoing, you can't remove politics from that, like it

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it just is uh inherent to it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's made a lot of it more fun,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because like a lot, like a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with like conservatives is like it's all about like

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's all about like racial politics or like culture

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<v Speaker 2>war stuff, and so people just are like they either

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<v Speaker 2>just make fun of it and laugh at it, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they just like completely ignore it, like and

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<v Speaker 2>and and it's all the better, you know. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there are parts of it that aren't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't great. I'm sure it's not great about some stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it's just, uh, it was weird. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Americans finally have finally started to figure out that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, no, this is it's all part and parcel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all it's all part of the superstructure.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta well listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I really need when Beyona to finish the job on

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<v Speaker 3>these motherfuckers so that I can watch the playoffs, because unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so insane about Oklahoma City that I haven't really

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<v Speaker 3>been able to enjoy basketball this year because everyone keeps

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<v Speaker 3>mentioning it and like I am like I can put

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<v Speaker 3>my hand up. I'm fully rabid about this. I cannot

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<v Speaker 3>be normal or enjoy myself. So I just need.

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<v Speaker 1>Them gone and then I can I can enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the greatest test of my strength was really when

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<v Speaker 3>certified Kiwi hottie Steven Adams played for Lahoma City, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, get that man off. The team.

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<v Speaker 3>Let him somewhere dacent and I believe he's in Memphis

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<v Speaker 3>now or something. I was like, fine, finally, like, don't

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<v Speaker 3>make me look at some hotty in Oklahoma City fucking here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, and I know they're all like children

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<v Speaker 3>and I shouldn't, but I am. And so look, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard enough being me. I'm just trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>through the goddamn day as a Sonics fan.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, Stephen Adams is like in his late

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<v Speaker 2>mid thirties, So I don't think you got to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about that. It's like, I don't I don't think. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we're even you know, yeah, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, we're not We're not doing we're not doing problematic

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<v Speaker 3>age gap discourse.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show too. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>we're a medieval podcast. This is hardly an unacceptable age

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<v Speaker 2>gap that called me what you called me when it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sixty four year old and a twelve year old,

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<v Speaker 2>and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Well then we'll have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's listen, we love basketball, folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, this is the basketball podcast now and it'll be

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<v Speaker 3>even more so once the hated thunder are removed from

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<v Speaker 3>my line of sight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, truly, the French are our saviors.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, come on, no, no god, why oh oh man?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well let's let's do a podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. We do.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Ostensibly, Hello, welcome back to We're Not So Different podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about how we love giant French alien guys modern. Every

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<v Speaker 2>time I look at him, I'm like, man, modern nutrition

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and medicine. Are you you would have been

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, He's like, yeah, I'd have to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you about it before. Everybody. Like nine percent of

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<v Speaker 2>people over like six foot four have been born in

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<v Speaker 2>the last one hundred and fifty years or so, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like like imagine like just taking like you're

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<v Speaker 2>just a medieval person, and like you show up and

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a line. There's like a line of like

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<v Speaker 2>Wimbin Yama, Luca don Uh like uh, like George Mura

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<v Speaker 2>San like just like all of these guys, and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we have enough of these people that we can fill

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<v Speaker 2>thirty something teams uh National Basketball League, and then there

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<v Speaker 2>are more of them in leagues elsewhere and they're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>the tallest man I've ever seen is five foot six.

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<v Speaker 3>The medieval people are like, get them a pike. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>his ass on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's some there's some lord who's like, if you

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<v Speaker 2>put a pike in Wimbin Yama's hands, he just he

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<v Speaker 2>just provides, like he just you just need shields around

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<v Speaker 2>him to block the arrows.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, they just do.

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<v Speaker 3>You could just kind of send him on his way

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<v Speaker 3>and it would be good, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, folks, today we're to finish up talking about a round. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>although we're going to talk about horse now moods what

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<v Speaker 2>a shock. Before we do, we got a question from

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<v Speaker 2>Ollie Camp who says who takes the biscuit as the

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<v Speaker 2>most nanci of British kings?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh God, huge spoiled for choice, I mean literally, because

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<v Speaker 5>the thing that's really messed up is like how much

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<v Speaker 5>Nansen is involved in the whole thing, like generally and completely.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's like that's why they send all their kids

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<v Speaker 3>to boarding school. It's like so they could get nons

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<v Speaker 3>dislike their dad, yeah or whatever the fuck, and they

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<v Speaker 3>can share the same specific like trauma or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So like that's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because I'm like, you know, the biggest wrong

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<v Speaker 3>in is obviously Henry the Eighth, But all those women

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<v Speaker 3>were above marital age. So it's kind of like fi.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like say what you will about the man,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will.

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<v Speaker 2>We can slander him for a lot of things, but

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<v Speaker 2>not that's he liked.

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<v Speaker 1>Having sex with adult women to his credit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like the thing is, it's like we don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that much about the nonsen because like even if you

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<v Speaker 3>marry like a kid, which is like really it's like

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<v Speaker 3>really uncommon to pair off a kid with an adult, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like if you get married off at an

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<v Speaker 3>early age, it's usually that you're getting married off at

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<v Speaker 3>an early age to another kid, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's what they're doing there.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a result, like they just kind of and

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<v Speaker 3>then they sit around and wait till they're sixteen, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that's and then that's when you have sex. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the trouble is, we don't really know what they get

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<v Speaker 3>up to in their own time. Yeah, right, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know in your free time, are you nancing? It

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<v Speaker 3>is quite possible, you know, they have a whole mess

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<v Speaker 3>of illegitimate children all over the goddamn place. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>was having to explain this at work the other day

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<v Speaker 3>some people who are like, oh, well, is it weird

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<v Speaker 3>that you know William the Conqueror was a Bassard. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, no, that was normal, Like that's normal, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that's how, that's just how normans do it. And also

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<v Speaker 3>children with, though. No, I'm gonna be real with you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna have to go with all of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tire them all of that brush. I don't trust to

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<v Speaker 3>out of here. But then weirdly, like the girl's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I love being nonsd And it's just like Jesus and

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things where like everyone at the

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<v Speaker 2>medieval version of a gavel. He's ready to bring it down,

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<v Speaker 2>and like everybody's like, thumbs up, we did it. We

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<v Speaker 2>I love this man.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, god, fucking I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what is the point of any of this if

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we have to do. So yeah, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was just like gross. So and it's like a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I shouldn't cast this versions on a twelve year

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<v Speaker 2>old that is a oh yeah, it's a fucking insane thing.

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<v Speaker 2>To the psychology that goes into that is just Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>God no, yeah, anyway, Uh, it's a hard answer to find.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, look, they had different sexual mores than we did.

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<v Speaker 2>They had different ideas about when sex should occur, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially about consent and things like that. Uh but look,

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<v Speaker 1>Has It's always been weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always been really frowned upon. That's not something that

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<v Speaker 2>you do typically. I guess they're the Greeks, but that

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<v Speaker 3>But also like they're weird, yeah, right, like that, like

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there was that like ain't that ancient like

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<v Speaker 2>let's uh uh yeah, we gonna answer another question later.

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<v Speaker 2>But Ollie, thank you for that one. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask us questions like these or hear the

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<v Speaker 2>bonus episode we've got coming out this Friday on the

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<v Speaker 2>Seven Deadly Sins and what all that means and what

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<v Speaker 2>You will like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You will.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be in the eyes and tell me you

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<v Speaker 3>look like it. You can't because this is an audio format.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, it look me in the eyes from the past

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<v Speaker 2>when you you will be hearing this in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the world of tomorrow. Yeah all right, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So on the main show, So we pick up where

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<v Speaker 2>we left off last time. The large delegation of leaders

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<v Speaker 2>the extremely long journey from Quasvon on the southern coast

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<v Speaker 2>of the Caspian Sea all the way up to Karakorum

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<v Speaker 2>in central Mongolia. In twelve fifty one, the group of

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<v Speaker 2>dignitaries led by the Quadi of Quasvon were making the

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<v Speaker 2>the United Mongol Empire, Manka Khan, and to make a

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<v Speaker 2>humble request. They simply asked the Manka extend the rule

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mongol Empire even further, making it the largest

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<v Speaker 2>landed empire and world history, and saved West Asia from

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<v Speaker 2>centuries of misrule in the process. Three decades before, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mongols under Timujin had repaid the foolishness of the chorusm

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<v Speaker 2>Shah and his idiot relations a millionfold by wiping the

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<v Speaker 2>Corasmian Empire off the map, an act which did entail

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<v Speaker 2>outsize destruction in northern Khorasan. Herat had been put to

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<v Speaker 2>the sword, and the formerly grand city of a Nicheppur

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<v Speaker 2>no longer existed. Then their land had been placed under

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<v Speaker 2>the auspices of a military governor, just like the early

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<v Speaker 2>Callus had used to stifle Iranian autonomy. In the first place,

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<v Speaker 2>they had no sovereign and were subject to constant raids

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<v Speaker 2>by fringe nomadic groups. How in the fuck could more

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<v Speaker 2>of this be a better thing? Yet, the assembled notables,

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<v Speaker 2>the new vanguard of the ideological project, had seen the

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<v Speaker 2>bigger picture and had an idea. Yes, living on the

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<v Speaker 2>periphery of the Mongol Empire was a familiar type of hell,

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<v Speaker 2>But amalgamation into the empire proper wealth the stability they craved. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>it was all they needed to spread Iranian culture and

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<v Speaker 2>influence into the wider world. Despite the dire circumstances, this

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred year old ideological project had survived in secret,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the sole survivor of the Islamic conquest and cultural

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<v Speaker 2>genocide that followed in its wake, and had even flourished

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<v Speaker 2>to some extent. What's more, it had done so with

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<v Speaker 2>an almost total apps of state level authority or even

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<v Speaker 2>But it wouldn't live on without a stable state with

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<v Speaker 2>rulers who bought into the Iranian Iranian identity to some degree,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why the election of Monkey Khan was a godsend.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the horrors the Mongols inflicted, many of the wealthiest

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<v Speaker 2>families of Greater Iran began working with them immediately sending

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<v Speaker 2>their children into imperial service. This included the if Takar

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<v Speaker 2>family of Quasvin, who sent the Quadi to serve as

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<v Speaker 2>a tutor for the grandchildren of Timujin himself, including Monkey, Kublai, Hulegu,

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<v Speaker 2>and more. Thus, the quiet work behind the scenes had

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<v Speaker 2>already been done, as the grandchildren had been inculcated to

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian identity and Persian language since adolescence. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a massive risk, but simultaneously a perfectly calculated one. For

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<v Speaker 2>the first time in six hundred years, Iran had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to thrive, and the dignitaries made the most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Monkey heard their please and sent his younger brother Hulegu

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<v Speaker 2>to do the job, which would result in the defeat

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<v Speaker 2>of their enemies, Iranian incorporation into the Empire, and blessed

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<v Speaker 2>stability for a time in the newly formed Ilkanate. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>the Quadi's gamble paid off spectacularly, with one of whu

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<v Speaker 2>Legu's descendants adopting Islam and fully assimilating to Iranian ways.

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<v Speaker 2>But the ultimate survival and global flourishing of the Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>identity and ideological project would it be realized under the

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<v Speaker 2>Ilkanate Instead. The final champion of this cause was Timur,

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<v Speaker 2>the last great Eurasian nomadic conqueror, who was born into

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<v Speaker 2>it was his adoption of Iranian ways and the success

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<v Speaker 2>of his Tiburid empire that would create a cultural renaissance

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<v Speaker 2>built upon Iranian thought and language that took Asia and

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<v Speaker 2>Europe by storm. This would cement Iron's play in history

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<v Speaker 2>and pave the way for the rise of the Sapavids,

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<v Speaker 2>who realized the long culmination of this process by reintroducing

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, today is our fourth and final episode in

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<v Speaker 2>the series on a pre modern Iran. Today we will

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<v Speaker 2>discuss the continuation of the ideological project from the initial

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<v Speaker 2>Mongol invasion circa twelve nineteen up to the fall of

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<v Speaker 2>the Timurids in fifteen oh one, and briefly touch on

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<v Speaker 2>how these Saphaphids brought it into the early modern period.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also try to shed a little more light almost

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<v Speaker 2>the situation on the ground looked like at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>why it was so apocalyptic to the people, and how

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<v Speaker 2>it shook out at the end of the Middle Ages.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week I will be on vacation and we will

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<v Speaker 2>be unlocking a bonus episode, possibly the Dinosaur one, for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to yay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good ass one. Oh sorry, sorry, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm too excited about my own podcast, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. Damn this episode of May we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>out for patrons this Friday. And yeah, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the Seven Deadly Sins and whether they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually deadly or not. I mean, I'm currently thinking gluttonous

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts about lunch right now, and yet I remain on

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<v Speaker 2>this mortal coil. What's up with that? Suck suck it? Aquinas?

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<v Speaker 2>You dead bitch? If he's so holy, why is he dead?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? God, get his ass? Many many questions. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Luke's thinking about lunch and Aquinas is dead, so.

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<v Speaker 2>How And I'm wrathful. I'm wrathful against And here I stand.

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<v Speaker 2>Once we get struck by lightning in the house somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, well, fuck, yes, he showed me. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start out with a broad question, real quick from

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<v Speaker 2>MG in your face speaking of the Iran series Great

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, years ago, I heard an Iranian nationalist

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<v Speaker 2>claim that the all the accomplishments of the Islamic Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Age in terms of math, science, medicine, maintaining ancient knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>definitely all came from the Persian tradition of recent converts,

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<v Speaker 2>and Iranians should push for a serious rebranding of the

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<v Speaker 2>term to be something like medieval Persian Golden Age, because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone attributes almost anything labeled Islamic, especially back to the Arabs,

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<v Speaker 2>and or that early Islam has been seen as an

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<v Speaker 3>What say, y'all, that's really interesting, that's really interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, like my like Reugh reference points to

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, so that there's two things I thought about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did want to say this because we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, like they were not the stars or

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<v Speaker 2>the center of this show. As we've seen during the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle Ages, the what we call it on is either

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<v Speaker 2>the center of the world at that point. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more stuff going on, and there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other places that are more important at this time. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I would say about this about the Islamic

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Age is that the Iranian culture contributed greatly to science,

419
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>especially astronomy. They were huge into that. We'll talk about

420
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 2>that with Timmur in a few minutes, and with culture.

421
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the agricultural and a lot of

422
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the agricultural mathematic and scientific stuff came from Iberia, which

423
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>would be not like not Persian, not Persian, not iron.

424
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>And like quite famously, quite famously not Persian.

425
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I do I do think that there

426
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 3>is you could have within this circumstance. I do think

427
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:45.640
<v Speaker 3>you could have a discussion about like does the Iberian

428
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Peninsula account as.

429
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Like Arabic, certainly not, but is Islamic.

430
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 3>So I mean I don't have a problem because I

431
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 3>mean I suppose that I tend to say Islamic Golden

432
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Age and it's like, well, yeah, they're all.

433
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>So, so I guess I don't see the problem.

434
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't like yeah, and I mean, calling it

435
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the Arab Golden Age also takes away from the fact

436
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 2>that if you believe that Persian identity is the dominant

437
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 2>factor behind the Islamic Golden Age, you would that necessarily

438
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 2>works against that. That works against calling it the calling Arab,

439
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Speaker 2>because they were explicitly not Arab. They were they were

440
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 2>originated in Persis, and they took over this wide thing.

441
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>We talked about Greater Iran, and then the heart of

442
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.279
<v Speaker 2>it moved to Korusan. But I mean it was all

443
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>the way up into Central Asia, Bukhara, samarcand all that

444
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff. They had extensive relations with China. They

445
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>it's it's I don't think the Arab thing works. I

446
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>think Islamic works better because this was under the wide

447
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>auspice of Islam, and at least at the beginning it

448
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>was technically all under the auspice of the Umids when

449
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff was going down. So I

450
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think it all happened there. I just I mean,

451
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.640
<v Speaker 2>there's too much good.

452
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that you're right.

453
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 3>And I think also a thing I would suppose I

454
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 3>would say about it too, is like dog, I've never

455
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 3>heard anyone call it the Arabic Golden Age. No, I've

456
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 3>only ever heard the Islamic Golden Age. Like that's not

457
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 3>like and you know, this is one of the things,

458
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>like it's not as though I don't also fall into

459
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.240
<v Speaker 3>ideological traps, you know, like we Yeah, especially when it

460
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 3>comes to things like nationalism.

461
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's very heady, yeah.

462
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Right, you know, it's a it's a hetty little mixture,

463
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 3>and especially if you see yourself as being particularly put

464
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 3>upon or uniquely.

465
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Oppressed, you know, like you've all.

466
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Had to hear my check bullshit for a million years,

467
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's like and that's kind of cute.

468
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Because it's like, well, what did we ever do?

469
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Right?

470
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.240
<v Speaker 3>But you know, it is one of these things where

471
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm not even really sure what you're getting at,

472
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, sometimes because it's.

473
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Like, what did you guys do? You didn't willingly submit

474
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:24.039
<v Speaker 2>to a Vichy style Nazi government, unlike some places that

475
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>it had to be thrust upon you at gun and

476
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>bomb point.

477
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's just mad at us for having the balls to

478
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 3>actually bomb a Nazi that's.

479
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Right, fuck it, Yeah, yeah, I just I don't. I mean,

480
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, clearly this is anecdotal, and you know, I

481
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know this person who said this or anything, but

482
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just I think that's something you might expect from

483
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 2>his an Islamic nat or excuse me, an Iranian nationalist

484
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>to say, just as you would expect an American nationalists

485
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>to say, like America's great, like look at all this

486
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff we've got, you know, you know, oh, look at

487
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.519
<v Speaker 2>all the stuff we manufacture here. Look how great we are.

488
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 2>And you completely forget the fact that we can't manufacture

489
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>jack shit here without Chinese components. So it's like, you know, like, yeah,

490
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's kind of part and parcel with the thing.

491
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I would say that it's definitely not correct.

492
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean.

493
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the stuff I have I have seen

494
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>once or twice. A lot of this stuff be called

495
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the Iberian or the Andalusian like Golden Golden Age, and

496
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that's just anecdotal because it's what people are

497
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>more familiar with, like in certain cases, because I mean

498
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the math, a lot of the science

499
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and medicine stuff they did came from all underloose, so

500
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, shut it came from Yeah, it came

501
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 2>from everywhere. I mean, the just thinking about the Arab

502
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>agricultural Revolution, which we talked about a couple of times. Like,

503
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, a big part of that was re uh

504
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>rebuilding and modernizing old Roman uh water wheels and stuff

505
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 2>like that, which is definitely something that would not have

506
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>come from Persia because and I mean all of the

507
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 2>like the foods that they spread around, like the bananas

508
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, which came from deeper in Africa.

509
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like yeah, it's anyway, yeah, uh So

510
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that was the whole thing. And I also did just

511
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>want to say, like, you know, there's there's a lot

512
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of there's a lot of people doing a lot of

513
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff in here, and it's in you know, we're focusing

514
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 2>on this because of Ron is in the news now,

515
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.039
<v Speaker 2>but you know this was not the center of the

516
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>universe anything.

517
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, although I kind of love it when people

518
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 3>do this ship. I think it's really funny. I think

519
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 3>I've told this. I think I've told this particular story before,

520
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.119
<v Speaker 3>but I'm going to do it anyway again.

521
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Which is one time my.

522
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Dad, like in Chicago, there was like a Lithuanian social club.

523
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like very Chicago story.

524
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 3>There'd be all kinds of esoteric immigrants and they would

525
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 3>start a social club and in the lobby they had

526
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 3>in marble engraved a map of the Polish Lithuanian Empire

527
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.559
<v Speaker 3>under the Agalonians and it said and it said return

528
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 3>what you owe around it.

529
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I just think it's a Chicago and

530
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like.

531
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 3>And it's just a very funny way of relating to

532
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 3>the Agalonians say like, oh yeah that's all. That's all

533
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 3>like completely completely Lithuanian.

534
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, you know what.

535
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 3>Dog absolutely get it, like get after it. But I

536
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 3>mean my point is this is what this is. Your

537
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.000
<v Speaker 3>brain on Nash is right, you'll.

538
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, yeah, you'll think of some things.

539
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Nationalism is uh, it's one of those things that

540
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>we have to deal with. Talked about it many times.

541
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Any country that is conquered from without is going to

542
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 2>develop nationalism to some degree. And you know, even if

543
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>we rooted it out from like everything else, that would

544
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 2>still happen, like regardless, and it's something that has to

545
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 2>be combated. So uh yeah anyway, Uh, I gin your face,

546
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>thank you.

547
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>For the question, thoughts provoking question.

548
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Indeed indeed in stroke it Yeah, like Bart Simpson, uh

549
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>with the like the smoking jacket on, but he's.

550
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Blown the bubbles, yeah.

551
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Which is still like how I think about like, uh,

552
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>like snooty smoking because pipe tobacco fuck off and die man.

553
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather smoke bubbles anyway. Uh, let's talk about the Mongols,

554
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 2>so folks are not going to rehash all of it,

555
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>but uh, you know, twelve o seven, Timmygen finally takes

556
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the reins of the Mongols begins spreading out. They take

557
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 2>over parts of China. They assimilate the Wiger and.

558
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Other Laban's realm. But for yes, okay, that's what you're

559
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 1>doing exactly.

560
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 2>They assimilate a lot of southern Siberian groups as well,

561
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Tongu goose groups and stuff like that, and they spread out.

562
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>And then as we talked about and I think it

563
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 2>was episode two forty nine, we talked about some medieval blunders.

564
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>If you want a recap of the invasion of the

565
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Korismian Empire from twelve nineteen to twelve twenty one, you

566
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>can go and listen to the second half of that,

567
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and then when you're done and you listen to this,

568
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>you can then go listen to the first half of

569
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 2>that as well, and you can hear about the White

570
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 2>ship and us make fun of us stupid that was too.

571
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Don't drink its sale, guys.

572
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Don't nope, uh yeah, so uh Timmy Jane invades the

573
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Corasbian Empire and this includes a large part of corus On.

574
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>They devastate so much, just just so so much, like

575
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they we we should, we should, note, of course,

576
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that the numbers that are cited are both insane, because

577
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 2>they said that one point four million people were killed

578
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>at Herat, and I'm gonna tell you that the largest

579
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>city in the world this time was at most like

580
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a million or one point two people, like.

581
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.760
<v Speaker 1>No, we just didn't have that people. Yeah.

582
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.920
<v Speaker 2>But it's also funny because those numbers come from official

583
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Mongol histories, which means the Mongols were that that guy

584
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 2>turned it in and was like, yeah, we killed they

585
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 2>killed five hundred thousand at Herat, and Timijen's like like, no, higher,

586
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I want I want people to I want people to

587
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>think we stained the ground red with you know, and

588
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>like all right, boss, sure, yeah yeah. Timijen dies in

589
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 2>twelve twenty seven. The Mongols remained united, but lands were

590
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>divided between his four sons. Uh The area of Khorasan

591
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>would have been a very peripheral area, would have been

592
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>part of the UH. It would have gone to Chagatai

593
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 2>and become loosely part of the Chagatai Khanate later, but

594
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 2>it was also contested by the descendants of Jochi, who

595
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>had become the Golden Horde, which was the western part

596
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Mongol Empire up into Russia and stuff like that.

597
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Ogaday took over for Timijen, and after he died there

598
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 2>was a ten year into regnum and then Guyuk, who

599
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>was one of Ogaday's sons, became kagan for two years

600
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>before he died, and then control passed to the Toluid dynasty,

601
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>which are the sons of Timmingen's youngest son, Tolali, and

602
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>they were supposed to rule the Mongol heartlands. However, there

603
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>was a problem going on, and not a problem, but

604
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>there was an underlying political turmoil going on, which was

605
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Timugen and his sons were all I mean, they were

606
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 2>all nomadic. Oga Day took to uh the settled lifestyle

607
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>more than the rest. He was a heavy drinker. He

608
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 2>built Caracorum during his lifestyle.

609
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 3>But Uh, he said earlier, like look the man wasn't drunk,

610
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't getting on a fucking horse.

611
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's no. He would he would kill a lot

612
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 2>of people, but he was a fucking life not gonna commute. Yeah,

613
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna Yeah, fucking

614
00:37:59.239 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>hell brouh.

615
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not getting I'm nursing a hangover over here.

616
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>What you think this is?

617
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

618
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So uh manka is he kind of like his things.

619
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna like rebuke the ways of Ogaday and they're

620
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 2>going back to the ways of the Mongols under Timusen.

621
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 2>And you see this thing develop in the grandsons of

622
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:32.880
<v Speaker 2>of Timugen, where they had all been raised and they

623
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>had all been tutored in uh, in all of these

624
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>languages and all in all of these subjects by like

625
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the greatest tutors in the empire, Persian, Chinese, everyone, you know,

626
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone they could find, and and they had been taught

627
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like this. And as they were raised more in closer

628
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>to cities and and things like that, some of them

629
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>were like, look, man, all that shit is great about

630
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 2>riding around, but like what if I just ruled from

631
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>like a really big you know.

632
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Like again, I'm not going to commute.

633
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right, what.

634
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>If what if I just ruled from here from here

635
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 2>and like we you know, we just got some motion,

636
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, or like and we didn't yeah, and we

637
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't call the people that we rule over dirt scrapers

638
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 2>and like treat them like shit, what have you? Just

639
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, treated them like normal people or whatever. And

640
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.519
<v Speaker 2>that is like a rift in the Mongols, and it's

641
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a big thing going forward. But at the

642
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 2>same time, there are the sons of Uh Totalis and

643
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 2>they have a civil war. But we'll talk about that

644
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 2>in a minute. There is the destruction of the Korism

645
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Empire created a power vacuum and ran for thirty years.

646
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 2>There was no ruler uh rule, There was no overruler.

647
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Everything was localized. Raids were common from like their own bandits,

648
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 2>plus random Mongol Horde hangers on and vassals. The Golden

649
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Horde didn't really establish it. Neither neither the Golden Horde

650
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 2>nor Czech Tai Khanate established any kind of king in

651
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 2>the area. And then, you know, as we said, when

652
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Monkey came to power in twelve fifty one, a large

653
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>delegation was sent by the people of Iran to Karakorum

654
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 2>to request, you know, please please help us stop the

655
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>anarchy everything like that, and I mean they just they

656
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:49.000
<v Speaker 2>took people from Korusan, Ciston, Iraq, Shiraz room. They just

657
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>they took they took all of these people and they

658
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 2>were like, please just incorporate us because this is insane.

659
00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>We cannot live under this. And Monkey because this meant

660
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 2>uh expanding the empire, which you know was was part

661
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of his ambit according to according to their ways. Uh.

662
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Speaker 2>He said, uh, younger brother Hulegu go and take control

663
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 2>of western and Central Asia, while his other brother, one

664
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of his other brothers, Kublai, was sent to finish up

665
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the work in China.

666
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 3>He's going to decreate, decree at least one stately pleasures

667
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:32.639
<v Speaker 3>dome at least.

668
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 2>One at least at least one in Xanadu.

669
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>If not, you know, I'm just saying yeah.

670
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's uh. So Julegu comes in. Uh he gets

671
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>down there around like twelve fifty five or so. Uh.

672
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 2>He he and his forces are the ones who are

673
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 2>responsible for killing the uh the Hashashin assassins. Uh after

674
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.599
<v Speaker 2>they had sent someone after Monkey, and he was like, yeah,

675
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be done with that.

676
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 3>So they they were like, unfortunately, you guys are too

677
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:15.320
<v Speaker 3>like you smoke too loud.

678
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Yep, your members too bad.

679
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you hash Susians, they'll kill you.

680
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>You see, you see too much of the gates of Gehina.

681
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>When you are the gardens of Gehina, when you when

682
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.239
<v Speaker 2>you when you smoke good And so they took him

683
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 2>out and then Monkey turned his attentions to the by

684
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 2>this point barely clinging on a bass in Califate in

685
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Baghdad and uh Julegu, Uh, I mean they they destroyed

686
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>bagh Dad. It didn't what.

687
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like it's a bad scene. Like the vibes are

688
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.440
<v Speaker 3>not the vibes are not tranquil.

689
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 2>We'll just see yeah, I mean yeah, it's it's like

690
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 2>it's like in any city. But I mean Baghdad at

691
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 2>the time was uh was I mean, well, yeah, it

692
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 2>would have been probably the second most fortified city in

693
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 2>the world after Constantinople, and it like and I mean

694
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>they just reduced it. It estimated that this might have

695
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>been the The army that was sent with who Legu

696
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>might have been the largest army the Mongols ever fielded.

697
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 2>It was possibly over like one hundred and thirty thousand

698
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>soldiers to begin with. Now a lot of those are

699
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 2>doing like Garrison shit because they had a wide span

700
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of territory to get through. But yeah, they took out Baghdad.

701
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 2>But the thing about it is is that much like

702
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 2>timmygen had done, who Legu said, hey, uh, let's get

703
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.199
<v Speaker 2>all of those books out. And so they took call

704
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 2>the books and they eventually took them to uh Maree

705
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:09.320
<v Speaker 2>mereg Uh which was became the capital for a little while.

706
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:14.519
<v Speaker 2>They built it up there and uh he who Legu

707
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>was also like, uh, hey man, these people really like me. Oh.

708
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>They gave me this cool purple cloak to wear and

709
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 2>this weird looking exotic crown from back in the day.

710
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 2>That like, uh oh, well this seems so nice and

711
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 2>they want me to be the king of king. Oh

712
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>this is great. And so whether he had been before

713
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 2>this or not, who Legu was converted to what we

714
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>might call the reformist uh sect of the Mongols, and

715
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 2>he was like, these cities great.

716
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 3>We like uh we like flattery goes a long way

717
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 3>it it does, you know, like bribery works, guys. I

718
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:00.840
<v Speaker 3>just think that that's an important thing. Remember, with a

719
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 3>lot of medieval people. If you just give them a

720
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 3>nice enough hat, they'll probably.

721
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Go with it.

722
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, politics, yeah uh and uh. So at this time,

723
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot, they the the Ilkonate Stable lot was was

724
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 2>formed right here and it basically stabilized rule in this

725
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 2>greater like southwestern and central Asian area. And it was

726
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>it was what they needed on the ground to start

727
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 2>to to start moving in the direction. Because now that

728
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 2>they had this, they all all of the like the

729
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the Ilkinate bureaucracy, administrative state, the Keshigs, which were like

730
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 2>the basically the praetorian guards for the Uh, for the

731
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 2>cons Uh were staffed with the sons and daughters of

732
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>corus On you know that like it's uh, I mean

733
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>they they they knew just like other people did that

734
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.719
<v Speaker 2>when the Mongols come in, the Mongols do not have

735
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 2>a strong enough for central form of culture to uh

736
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 2>to not be assimilated.

737
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:26.159
<v Speaker 3>Into Amilate Mate. They're yeah, they're they're about that life,

738
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 3>you know.

739
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's yeah, it's yeah. And so that started that

740
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 2>started to to kind of stabilize. But the problem was

741
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that the uh, the the other stuff going on in

742
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the Mongol Uh Empire did not and at this time

743
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh Monkey Con died in twelve fifty nine, and normally

744
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 2>this would mean that all of the would be successors

745
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 2>are going to have to go all the way back

746
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 2>to Carricorum and they would go through a coral tie

747
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and that was you know that, that was fine. However,

748
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Uh it didn't really work out like that. So Manke

749
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted his Uh, one of his brothers named Eric Boca,

750
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:26.639
<v Speaker 2>to take over from him and become the next Kagan

751
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:32.039
<v Speaker 2>and he was technically he he was technically crowned there.

752
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, Kublai held his own coral

753
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 2>tie in China and was crowned there, and so that

754
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 2>started the that was part of the Toluid Civil War

755
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>and part of the wider Mongol Civil War. And Uh

756
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Hulegu had had been he was going to go back,

757
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 2>but he lost a battle to the Mamelukes out of Egypt,

758
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and things weren't looking great at the time because the

759
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.559
<v Speaker 2>leader of the Golden Hoard his name was Burke, the

760
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>leader of the chek At Tai Khanate who is Algu

761
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and the man Lukes had formed an alliance and it

762
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't looking pretty for for Hulegu. However, that all kind

763
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of resolved itself because in twelve sixty five they all

764
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:26.599
<v Speaker 2>died within like three weeks.

765
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 3>It's weird how this just happens sometimes in the medieval

766
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 3>period because it is so much easier to die of things,

767
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:36.840
<v Speaker 3>so you will just kind of have these mashed casualty

768
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 3>events essentially where it's just like, you know, it just

769
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 3>all kind of like falls over and you're like, oh, okay,

770
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 3>well yeah.

771
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah yeah. Kublai cut off supplies to Kara Korum

772
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Eric Boca. Eventually we drew his claim back the way

773
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and was shamed into exile and then he was killed.

774
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Kublai took over the United the vaguely United Mongol Empire

775
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 2>in twelve sixty four, which was that role still had

776
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.320
<v Speaker 2>enough power to command everything and keep it going, and

777
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.760
<v Speaker 2>that meant that the Golden Horde and the check A

778
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Tai Khanate backed off because Kublai supported the Suns of

779
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Hillo Hulegu and uh so the Ilkanate got to uh

780
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>stick around and uh yeah when that happened, that meant

781
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 2>because uh Kublai ruled basically all of the eastern part

782
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 2>of the United Mongol Empire, that that became the more

783
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 2>reformist group of Mongols, as did the Ilkanate and you

784
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 2>know the check A Tai Khanate and the Golden Horde.

785
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh tried to keep up with the old ways, but

786
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean those are fading any way, because you can't

787
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>really in a state like that, at least it's not

788
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>it's not really easy to do that. Yeah. But yeah,

789
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>So with who Legu the Persian, the the Iranians were

790
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 2>like they they got the guy. Whether he was like

791
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.239
<v Speaker 2>this before or he just thought it was great. Uh,

792
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 2>they got the guy they wanted. He was viewed as

793
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 2>despite not being Muslim, he was viewed as a good

794
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.159
<v Speaker 2>king in the model that they liked. And so he

795
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 2>received a fatois from a Muslim cleric Ibn Tavis, you know,

796
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 2>and it basically said a good Heathen ruler is better

797
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 2>than an evil Muslim. When UH the normalized they normalized trade.

798
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Because Tim Muchen had been a fan of art and

799
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 2>had forced his sons and grandsons and on down the

800
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.199
<v Speaker 2>line to receive education in the arts and stuff like that,

801
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:10.239
<v Speaker 2>the Hulegus generation was very into it was very into

802
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the arts. They were very into into culture. Once again,

803
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 2>they didn't use Persian wasn't the official court language, but

804
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.159
<v Speaker 2>it was spoken, but it was the official language of

805
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:24.840
<v Speaker 2>high culture.

806
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Like that was Yeah, it's like the high Valerian of yeah,

807
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 3>like whatever.

808
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh yeah, that's just like it's it's just cool, right, like.

809
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, in particular in this era, we see it

810
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 3>being thought of as kind of like a very good

811
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 3>language for poetry.

812
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

813
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:47.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's like.

814
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Rather a lot of like that around the shop and

815
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 3>like that's the vibe. Like and I think this is

816
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.559
<v Speaker 3>just sort of an important point because it does show

817
00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 3>you how fruitful these particular team could be. Like having

818
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, like the Mongols is not always great, but

819
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 3>they they do have some kind of underlining, underlying appreciations

820
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of varying things. And occasionally they will force you to

821
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.960
<v Speaker 3>go to art school if you're like one of the kids,

822
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 3>right ye, So like that's helpful. And then when they

823
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 3>they also just like these weird little things like it's

824
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 3>it's part of what makes them tick.

825
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you can see it.

826
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and who let you? Because the Mongols were

827
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 2>famously like, yeah, your religion's fine, whatever. They they let

828
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 2>the they let Islam go unhindered as for the most part,

829
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:55.599
<v Speaker 2>and they let the Sufis go and you know the

830
00:52:55.599 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Sufi mystics, they perform miracles, they do you know, all

831
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 2>this sort of stuff, and uh, that is you know,

832
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that's going to continue to be infused on down the line,

833
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's going to be part of what becomes she

834
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Ism here in a bit. After Hulegu died, it was

835
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 2>actually his son Abaka Khan ruled for about seventeen years

836
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and really helps solidify the empire.

837
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 3>They side note Abaca con just makes me sound like

838
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 3>they are like insulting cons in an anime.

839
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's Sunbacca Obaka Khan, Chaka Khan's sister, our brother.

840
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, listen all the jokes we're making our bad

841
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Let's move on. Okay, wow wow.

842
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 2>Uh. After Obaka died, there was uh, let's say, some

843
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 2>issues for about thirteen years. Uh. One of one of

844
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 2>these rulers was so bad that he tried to introduce

845
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:20.039
<v Speaker 2>paper fiat currency into a into a state that heton

846
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>had had fucking uh it had a stable rule and

847
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know half a millennium.

848
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this dog dog check out this picture of a monkey.

849
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You got guys. You got guys paying in like sheep

850
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 2>and like military service, and they're like yeah, but paper money, right,

851
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, yeah, I don't think, uh, I don't

852
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 2>think that one from China's gonna make it brou But

853
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 2>luckily the UH they got a lifeline when a guy

854
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 2>named Gozen Cohn came to the throne in twelve ninety five,

855
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and he really was different to at least to some degree.

856
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.039
<v Speaker 2>He converted to Islam, although it was probably what we

857
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 2>would call like a folk Islam because it was more

858
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.519
<v Speaker 2>based on like what Sufi said and was less.

859
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm really more spiritual than religious.

860
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes exactly one. Yeah, yeah, but you know, you know

861
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 2>the Iranians did. They were like it counts. Put it

862
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 2>on the board because Gazon just completely adopted all of

863
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the ship that the Iranians wanted to. He embraced Suphism,

864
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 2>He took on a royal title that named Cosro the

865
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 2>First and Iran in it total law reform. UH. He

866
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.440
<v Speaker 2>subjected land disputes to courts and stuff like that. He

867
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:56.679
<v Speaker 2>made UH preparations for soldier resettlement after they get out

868
00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 2>of the army because it UH, because it was so

869
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 2>always so destabilizing. He tried to work with the more

870
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:14.519
<v Speaker 2>orthodox Mongols to try and get them in together with

871
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>the subtle ones. And you know, during his life and

872
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the life of his son, it the Persian way just

873
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 2>encroached on the Mongol way of life and took it

874
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 2>over as as it is wont to do. But unfortunately

875
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:43.039
<v Speaker 2>for them, in thirteen thirty six, Souck where to go. Yeah,

876
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 2>so Gozen died in three or four. His son Ol

877
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Jayetu ruled for thirteen years, and then Abu Sayid ruled

878
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 2>for another like sixteen. And by the mid thirteen thirties,

879
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:04.199
<v Speaker 2>when Arpicon took the throne, he was executed and the

880
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:09.719
<v Speaker 2>the ilkinate dissolved and a new thirty five year power

881
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 2>vacuum opened up that dissolved into local factions again. However,

882
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 2>the state was more stabilized at this time than it

883
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:26.960
<v Speaker 2>had been. All Right, now, lastly, or very close to lastie,

884
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:31.440
<v Speaker 2>we turned to turn to a little guy named timyir So.

885
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 2>But before we do that, I wanted to talk about

886
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:37.800
<v Speaker 2>what we do know on the ground. A lot of

887
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 2>this stuff started to clarify more in the thirteenth and

888
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth century. So tell me if you've heard stop me

889
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:51.119
<v Speaker 2>if you've heard this one before. So the ruler, the

890
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 2>guy with the money and the power and the soldiers,

891
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.760
<v Speaker 2>he says to some of his lesser guys, he's like, hey,

892
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:01.320
<v Speaker 2>if you provide me military so servis, I will give

893
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:06.639
<v Speaker 2>you some land. And they were like, damn, okay, okay,

894
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I like, I like where this has said it? Okay,

895
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Like what okay? Like what do we need to do?

896
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.639
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, look, you just you keep things in line,

897
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:18.239
<v Speaker 2>you keep everything going, and it'll be fine. You're going

898
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:21.440
<v Speaker 2>to serve as tax farmers to the locals. I'm not

899
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.239
<v Speaker 2>going to pay you jack ship. All of your money

900
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 2>is going to come from soaking the locals for money.

901
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 2>And even if people get double or triple text will

902
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 2>characters not my problem. And uh, this, as you might guess,

903
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:45.679
<v Speaker 2>led to insane exploitation, monetary exploitation of the people on

904
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the ground.

905
00:58:47.599 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 3>But no, you mean bad actors in my tax collecting yep, bracket.

906
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, uh, in my bracket.

907
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

908
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:11.320
<v Speaker 2>It's more like I think, yeah, exactly. So this the peasants,

909
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>they would do what what peasants did, which was some

910
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 2>of them would try to escape and This was technically

911
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 2>easier here because things were more spread out, and I

912
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.639
<v Speaker 2>mean you could go jump in, you could try and

913
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 2>jump in with one of the roving Mongol bands like

914
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, they those did exist. You just be like, yeah,

915
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to join a biker gang for a while. Mom,

916
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll see you later.

917
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.719
<v Speaker 1>She's like, Oh, that's a there's a that's a good

918
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 1>career path son.

919
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. But there was two things happened in the

920
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth century that that kind of started to change things

921
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a little to make it a little better for the peasants.

922
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 2>The first is that the the land grants became hereditary.

923
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.079
<v Speaker 2>And while this this is not good for the entrenching

924
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:07.480
<v Speaker 2>of you know, a nobility. Yeah, if you don't have

925
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a nobility, you're just subject to change every time someone else,

926
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 2>like when that guy dies, like his son is more

927
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:16.599
<v Speaker 2>likely to just come in and try to keep things smooth.

928
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:18.679
<v Speaker 2>Then like the new guy who comes in, and then

929
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 2>you have to figure out a whole new tax regime

930
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and what you're gonna give and how that's gonna work.

931
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 2>And also they they because the rulers were trying to

932
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 2>uh make the rule better, they kept giving out more

933
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and more and more parcels of land, which meant that

934
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 2>there there were more landowners and few of them had

935
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 2>like totally like just taken so much land under themselves,

936
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:55.360
<v Speaker 2>and so this made it slightly better and also made

937
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 2>it a little easier to uh to escape. Over time,

938
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 2>the emirs who ruled over local towns kind of became

939
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:09.599
<v Speaker 2>like sheriffs and then defenders because after a while, they

940
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:11.360
<v Speaker 2>too got tired of the Mongol raids and were like,

941
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking stop, leave us alone. And sometimes that worked, and

942
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes it didn't, but you know that that happens. Yeah,

943
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:23.519
<v Speaker 2>the middling sort, the craftsmen and everything like that, they

944
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 2>started to form guilds just as just as you might

945
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>do and uh and then uh in the towns they

946
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:38.280
<v Speaker 2>would form militia clubs, and they basically protected the commoners. Again.

947
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 2>They they would kind of work with the emir and

948
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.159
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, stop, you can't come and harass these

949
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 2>people anymore. And they protected them from extreme tax collection practices.

950
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 2>But then the big thing was that they had adopted this,

951
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:05.079
<v Speaker 2>they had adopted this system where in order to protect

952
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.159
<v Speaker 2>with so much land turnover going on all the time

953
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.000
<v Speaker 2>between all of these these different roving groups, and bands

954
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 2>in order to protect the property and the money they

955
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:24.000
<v Speaker 2>would invest in the property, hand it over to like

956
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:28.119
<v Speaker 2>a Sufie lodge to be held in their name, and

957
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.079
<v Speaker 2>the Sufi lodge would hold it and they would take

958
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:33.400
<v Speaker 2>in the proceeds from it and manage it and manage

959
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.599
<v Speaker 2>the peasants and everything, while the landowner who's over here

960
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 2>would reap the benefits that came up according to the

961
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.840
<v Speaker 2>contract or whatever they had done. And in this way

962
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 2>they removed a lot of the upper strata of horse

963
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:57.159
<v Speaker 2>nobles their desire to ransack local lands because they had

964
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:02.079
<v Speaker 2>a monetary stake in the upkeep and continued production of

965
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the local lands. And of course this took like, you know,

966
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 2>a century for it to like actually boil down to this.

967
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:12.719
<v Speaker 2>But over time, the peasant because they got a stabilized system,

968
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.960
<v Speaker 2>even though we can see this as a version of

969
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:23.079
<v Speaker 2>the it's more of the military feudal aspects than what

970
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:27.800
<v Speaker 2>you typically got in Europe, but the peasant. But they

971
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.519
<v Speaker 2>had to develop a separate peasant system. And in this

972
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:34.920
<v Speaker 2>point it developed on the back of the on the

973
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 2>back of the Sufi lodges, which became like uh, you know,

974
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 2>helping you know, they help people, they were hospitals, they

975
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.800
<v Speaker 2>were community centers, blah blah blah blah blah.

976
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like they're pretty chill people to Sufi's you know, yeah,

977
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:51.280
<v Speaker 3>they do nice things.

978
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.480
<v Speaker 2>What can we say. Yeah, And because of all of

979
01:03:54.519 --> 01:04:02.599
<v Speaker 2>these advancements, it allowed for the rise of of protest

980
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:07.800
<v Speaker 2>movements and millinery and sex. Because even though things were

981
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.840
<v Speaker 2>getting better, look it still fucking sucks, and people were like,

982
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.039
<v Speaker 2>when are we going to be saved? And you know,

983
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 2>not today but maybe maybe. But about thirteen eighty one,

984
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a young he wasn't actually young, a guy named Timmyir

985
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:32.199
<v Speaker 2>who had been born in what is now Uzbekistan to

986
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:39.800
<v Speaker 2>a Turco Mongolic family. He invaded the lands of Greater Iran,

987
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 2>and he took them very very quickly. Yes not look

988
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 2>he he just he took Karrot, he took Bukara or

989
01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Ginch the he took sammarcand Balk same thing as before,

990
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, just piling up bodies, piling up heads, everything

991
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:14.159
<v Speaker 2>like that. Immediately the people of corus On are like, hey, man,

992
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you want to be the legitimate ruler of Iran. And

993
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 2>he's like, yes, I do.

994
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Hey, hey, love what you've done with the place. I'm

995
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.840
<v Speaker 3>just wondering just hear me out.

996
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you think about the And the thing

997
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:31.599
<v Speaker 2>about Timirr is that, like he is the least likely

998
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.440
<v Speaker 2>one of these. The Mongols considered him short, which means

999
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:40.159
<v Speaker 2>he was maybe like five foot tall. He walked with

1000
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 2>an extremely noticeable limp later in life, which is I

1001
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.599
<v Speaker 2>think where the name tamer Lane came comes from. It

1002
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 2>meant lame Timurror as I understand it, as I understand it.

1003
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.440
<v Speaker 2>And he was also incredibly ugly, but because he had

1004
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.840
<v Speaker 2>suffered like some like really debilitating scars during battle on

1005
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:06.960
<v Speaker 2>his face or something like that. So this is the

1006
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:12.440
<v Speaker 2>guy who comes in. He's illiterate, he's from the middle

1007
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of nowhere, but the Persian Iranian cultural milieu has stretched

1008
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:27.760
<v Speaker 2>this far, has has burgeoned out. And this guy fucking

1009
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.679
<v Speaker 2>loved art, he loved science, he loved the whole deal.

1010
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.960
<v Speaker 2>He is going to be responsible for the Timurid Renaissance,

1011
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:41.920
<v Speaker 2>which is the western Central Asian version of the Italian Renaissance,

1012
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 2>although they're different in character, but.

1013
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:47.840
<v Speaker 1>This one's real. And the Italian went in.

1014
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Was when's she gonna when's she gonna say goat? I

1015
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.360
<v Speaker 2>would you say goating? I say I just tossed it

1016
01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:59.960
<v Speaker 2>off the backboard for you to slam.

1017
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:03.519
<v Speaker 1>The Renaissance isn't real. That's just universial. You've heard it

1018
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.199
<v Speaker 1>all before, but it's worth saying again, all.

1019
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, Uh, Timmy, yeah he uh, look he he is Islamic,

1020
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.239
<v Speaker 2>but he's probably the same kind of folk Islamic that

1021
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Gazon was. And despite not being a well versed theologian,

1022
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:28.559
<v Speaker 2>he heavily donated to the Muslim religious elites and allowed

1023
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:35.119
<v Speaker 2>uh Sufi and she she practices to go on. Uh.

1024
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.639
<v Speaker 2>But he was also a conqueror and a lot of

1025
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the cities around here were Islamic cities, and he did

1026
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 2>not care. In Delhi, Delhi is where you get the

1027
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.679
<v Speaker 2>Mountain of Skulls motif, which is just.

1028
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.519
<v Speaker 1>It is metal, but if you have to live through it,

1029
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not the one.

1030
01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:02.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not yeah yeah yeah. Parts of Syria, the city

1031
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of Isfahan, like they just you know. He was paradoxically

1032
01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:14.559
<v Speaker 2>defending Islam by killing a lot of Muslims for typically

1033
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 2>military reasons such as expedients. He did not seem to

1034
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:28.039
<v Speaker 2>really have an issue with religion, and he from everywhere

1035
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:33.640
<v Speaker 2>he conquered, from Otrar, tash samarcand all the way into

1036
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Tafleece in modern day Georgia. Mousoul Baghdad. He burned Aleppo

1037
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and Damascus, so he didn't take him over, and as

1038
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I said, burned Delhi. This whole land. He is just

1039
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:54.159
<v Speaker 2>taking scribes and artisans and people and he's bringing them

1040
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.399
<v Speaker 2>to Samarkand because he's rebuilding it, and he's rebuilding it

1041
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:02.319
<v Speaker 2>with all of these Persian texts, cultural texts that have

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01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 2>been written, and he's I mean, there it said that

1043
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:18.279
<v Speaker 2>there were thousands of artisans and scholars and theologians and astronomers,

1044
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:22.760
<v Speaker 2>and they built all of this gorgeous astronomy equipment. And

1045
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:30.479
<v Speaker 2>it's just you have all of this, you bring all

1046
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 2>of this culture in and when Timir died in fourteen

1047
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:44.479
<v Speaker 2>oh five, he by his own decree, dispersed all of

1048
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:50.399
<v Speaker 2>these people back to their lands. And so in some cases,

1049
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:55.039
<v Speaker 2>these people had been in Samarkan for twenty ish twenty

1050
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:59.600
<v Speaker 2>five years assimilating to this culture, learning to speak Persian.

1051
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Uh Turkic was the language of the court, but Persian

1052
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:07.199
<v Speaker 2>was the language for culture and and everything else. And

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01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you just he basically did like a twenty year study

1054
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:19.079
<v Speaker 2>abroad program for all of these artists all of these

1055
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:24.920
<v Speaker 2>cultural icons to go and and learn. And then when

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01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:27.159
<v Speaker 2>he died, he sent him back home. And of course

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01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:33.279
<v Speaker 2>what they did was they spread Iranian culture, Persian language

1058
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:37.159
<v Speaker 2>with them. They they took like it's.

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01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Listen, you know, all study of broad students are are

1060
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:42.439
<v Speaker 3>the same. You know, we're actually the sort of people

1061
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.279
<v Speaker 3>who are gonna make it your problem. Like we're gonna

1062
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.239
<v Speaker 3>make it your problem for the rest of our lives.

1063
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.239
<v Speaker 3>That like, we actually speak a couple other things.

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01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.399
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, it's like a guy who comes back saying

1065
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:59.880
<v Speaker 2>crossol instead of croissant, or yeah, I studied in Bartela.

1066
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Think of the widest man ever Shut the fuck upon.

1067
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:08.399
<v Speaker 2>It's like some guy who insist on pronouncing the silent

1068
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:12.760
<v Speaker 2>H at the end of bulk. He's like, book, all right, man,

1069
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:16.439
<v Speaker 2>all right, simp, settle down, big guy, Like I want

1070
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.920
<v Speaker 2>your October fess in motion, Like bitch, that's great. I

1071
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:28.000
<v Speaker 2>got drunk on my couch. What's anyway? Uh, whether he

1072
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:32.600
<v Speaker 2>meant to or not, I can't say. But this act

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01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of sending these people out was just man. Uh it

1074
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:39.880
<v Speaker 2>people like it.

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01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:43.520
<v Speaker 3>People like to move around and do new things and

1076
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:46.359
<v Speaker 3>funk about with art. It's it's what we are born

1077
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:48.600
<v Speaker 3>to do. If you left, let us alone, you know,

1078
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:49.000
<v Speaker 3>That's what.

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01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And because they fought with the Ottomans, uh, the

1080
01:11:54.560 --> 01:12:00.159
<v Speaker 2>early Ottomans and defeated them a couple of times, him

1081
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.239
<v Speaker 2>defeated by Zid the I at Ankara in fourteen oh two,

1082
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:08.960
<v Speaker 2>which sent the Ottomans into a ten year civil war.

1083
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.600
<v Speaker 2>But all of these people going back to where they

1084
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:16.279
<v Speaker 2>came from meant that they went into the Ottoman lands too,

1085
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:19.800
<v Speaker 2>And so that's why there is a lot of Persian,

1086
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:26.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Persian influence in Ottoman art from this time,

1087
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of Iranian influence in the Three Gunpowder

1088
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the three Gunpowder empires that are going to show up,

1089
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:42.119
<v Speaker 2>the Ottomans, of course, the Sephaphids who take over Greater Iran,

1090
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and then the the Mughals in India, and all of

1091
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.680
<v Speaker 2>this spread out from there. As I said, Timur was

1092
01:12:51.840 --> 01:13:02.159
<v Speaker 2>huge into religious syncretism. They I mean, he increased charitable investments.

1093
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:06.479
<v Speaker 2>He was uh chili.

1094
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:10.560
<v Speaker 1>He contained multitudes, a real game of two halves, this guy.

1095
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he contained multitudes. And as I said, you know,

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01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 2>this is this is how the Iranian culture survives. This

1097
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:19.239
<v Speaker 2>is how the language survives and everything like that. But

1098
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:22.279
<v Speaker 2>on the ground, even though things have gotten better, things

1099
01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:26.600
<v Speaker 2>are still apocalyptic for these people, because like even when

1100
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Timyir dies and even though his successor, Shah Rook, is

1101
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:39.279
<v Speaker 2>very capable and rules for a long time, it's still

1102
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.279
<v Speaker 2>there's still upheaval. Things are still bad for them. And

1103
01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:47.800
<v Speaker 2>so you get these uh apocalyptic religious movements that start

1104
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:53.239
<v Speaker 2>to uh to pop up. There were the uh Sarbatids

1105
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh they they were they had adopted the twelve

1106
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:04.840
<v Speaker 2>over Shia philosophy, you know, the hidden Eye mom and

1107
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:09.079
<v Speaker 2>all that sort of stuff, and uh they proclaimed their

1108
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:13.399
<v Speaker 2>leader as the Mahdi and killed some tax collectors and

1109
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:20.000
<v Speaker 2>eventually submitted to Timyr. But uh there within the uh Nrbakshi,

1110
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:24.159
<v Speaker 2>who were just another cult following a guy who called

1111
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 2>him called himself the Mahdi, and and it just, uh

1112
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.760
<v Speaker 2>it just kept spreading out from there, the notch the

1113
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:35.479
<v Speaker 2>notch Bandi's, like they just had these groups coming up,

1114
01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and as this happens, there is going to be one

1115
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:45.079
<v Speaker 2>of these groups that uh, you know, the Sufi's, they

1116
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:49.319
<v Speaker 2>they start spreading everything like that. And there was a

1117
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.199
<v Speaker 2>city called Ardabilt that is on the western coast of

1118
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.800
<v Speaker 2>the Caspian Sea, and it started to become a popular

1119
01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:02.399
<v Speaker 2>trading hub. And eventually U a contemporary of Timur whose

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01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:10.520
<v Speaker 2>name was oh, fuck, I lost his name, the name

1121
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the namesake of the Sapphaphis, whose name I am completely

1122
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:19.079
<v Speaker 2>fucking uh forgetting right now. Uh, I don't remember. But

1123
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 2>he was a sheikh and Uh. They thought he was

1124
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.239
<v Speaker 2>a cool guy. They thought he was fine. But years

1125
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:35.439
<v Speaker 2>later his grandson isma Il would become a messianic figure.

1126
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:42.039
<v Speaker 2>He would become uh. He would become the Mahdi to

1127
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:48.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. His thing was specifically the worship

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01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:55.840
<v Speaker 2>of of Allah through Ali, the cousin of Mohammed and

1129
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:03.239
<v Speaker 2>brief ruler of the Caliphate, the rushed in Caliphate and Uh.

1130
01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Then he also convinced a lot of Turkic horse warlords

1131
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:13.239
<v Speaker 2>UH that his uh he, he was their savior. They

1132
01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:18.760
<v Speaker 2>were called the quiz Bolash. And it's so much.

1133
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.119
<v Speaker 3>Harder to convince people that you're their savior now, Like

1134
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:22.720
<v Speaker 3>you have to go find Mormons in.

1135
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Order to do this.

1136
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I can't, Yeah, you can't. Yeah. And

1137
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:34.239
<v Speaker 2>then they rode back in and UH broke apart what

1138
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:37.319
<v Speaker 2>was left of the Timurid empire because it was it

1139
01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:43.800
<v Speaker 2>was falling, it was not built to last necessarily, and

1140
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 2>it started to crack apart. The staff of it took over.

1141
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Uh instituted the the Shia sect. Basically, it's believed basically

1142
01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:58.039
<v Speaker 2>as a way to instead of having personal rule, which

1143
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 2>is what they had been trying for so long, where

1144
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.439
<v Speaker 2>like you you worshiped this one or this this one

1145
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.279
<v Speaker 2>guy is the most important guy in the world, which

1146
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:09.279
<v Speaker 2>is fine while he's alive, and even if he has

1147
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:11.119
<v Speaker 2>like a kid who's good at it, But when that

1148
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:13.000
<v Speaker 2>goes away, what are you left with?

1149
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:14.800
<v Speaker 1>And most of them do not have kids who are

1150
01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:15.279
<v Speaker 1>good at it?

1151
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Right, I'm gonna level with you, like most of these

1152
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:20.399
<v Speaker 3>kids are just garbage.

1153
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:23.000
<v Speaker 2>You know. He had to go through like six of

1154
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Gazon's or six of Hulegu's sons to get through like

1155
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:37.159
<v Speaker 2>uh to find to find Gazon, and Uh, oh I

1156
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:41.920
<v Speaker 2>should have said with Gazon. Uh. The famed Islamic scholar, historian,

1157
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:49.079
<v Speaker 2>polymath Rashada Dean he was Uh. He was Gazon's advisor,

1158
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and many believe that a lot of Gazon's policies were

1159
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.640
<v Speaker 2>just He was just a mouthpiece for Rada. A Dean

1160
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:01.920
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways. And uh, since Rashada Deen

1161
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:07.239
<v Speaker 2>was he come from the Iranian milieu. Uh, that was

1162
01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that that really showed up in a lot of his works. Anyway, Yeah,

1163
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:18.279
<v Speaker 2>the empire, the Timurid Empire was not long for the world,

1164
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and about fifteen oh one it started to collapse and

1165
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the Sapphaphids take took over and they became a gunpowder empire.

1166
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Eventually they were able to massage their histories away from

1167
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:41.119
<v Speaker 2>isthma Ill uh basically claiming to be like the second Coming. Uh,

1168
01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, yeah, less of that and more of.

1169
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Literally anything else.

1170
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, more more of the like moving towards what

1171
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:54.000
<v Speaker 2>we would what we can start to see is more

1172
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:57.640
<v Speaker 2>standard practices of Shia Islam. And of course this would

1173
01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.840
<v Speaker 2>lead to repression and they would do their own repressions

1174
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:04.319
<v Speaker 2>and the Sunnies attacked them. But for a while there

1175
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:07.560
<v Speaker 2>there was kind of a melding between Sunni and Shia

1176
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:16.479
<v Speaker 2>there for a bit. But yeah, it's that is that's

1177
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:19.880
<v Speaker 2>a run in the Middle Ages and in the ancient

1178
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:20.840
<v Speaker 2>era for that matter.

1179
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.520
<v Speaker 3>We get that's a lot, you know, we get we

1180
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:26.560
<v Speaker 3>we I think that they are one of the ones

1181
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:28.800
<v Speaker 3>where it's difficult to talk about them before.

1182
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, such.

1183
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:33.159
<v Speaker 2>A fifteen hundred Yeah, that's I mean, that's fifteen hundred

1184
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.760
<v Speaker 2>years right there, from five point fifty to five fifty

1185
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:42.199
<v Speaker 2>CE to fifteen hundred. Uh sorry, five fifty BCE to

1186
01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:47.000
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred CE. It's like, uh, our two thousand years

1187
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ. They can't add it's uh, you know.

1188
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Really it's a land of contrasts.

1189
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.439
<v Speaker 2>It's I find it so interesting that it did survive

1190
01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and that like now, like when when I remember when

1191
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid and you would read books and

1192
01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:10.079
<v Speaker 2>they would refer to everything in the East, all of

1193
01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that culture as Persia. It was Persia, this Persian Persian,

1194
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Persian Persian Persian Persian Persian, and now was a lot

1195
01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff of Persian Iranian descent. Yeah, absolutely, but

1196
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Persian became like a buzzword for Islamic art, culture, math, science,

1197
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:33.199
<v Speaker 2>everything for a long time, and even to the point

1198
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:35.279
<v Speaker 2>like where when we and Eleanor were kids, and I

1199
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>mean people still do it now to some degree, although

1200
01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, thankfully we don't have as much or as

1201
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:45.399
<v Speaker 2>pervasive Orientalism as we used to. And you're you might

1202
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.119
<v Speaker 2>roll your eyes and be like, oh, it's really bad, Like, yeah,

1203
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not near. Yeah. Used to we would lose

1204
01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:00.279
<v Speaker 2>like our entire followership for doing a podcasts where we're like, yeah, uh,

1205
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the Iranians were good. We're good people. You know.

1206
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:07.479
<v Speaker 1>They're like, yeah, you you love you love Islam.

1207
01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys don't want to have lived through the

1208
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:17.199
<v Speaker 2>aftermath of nine to eleven. But it is not pretty anyway. Yeah,

1209
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:22.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just the culture survived, and I mean the people

1210
01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:27.159
<v Speaker 2>got by and just like in everywhere else so we

1211
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.479
<v Speaker 2>talk about everywhere else where, we talk about you know,

1212
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the land Management series, we talk about the battles of

1213
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:38.279
<v Speaker 2>kings and emperors and everything like that. It affects, you know,

1214
01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the people on the ground too, and it did want

1215
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to try and give a little bit of flavor for that.

1216
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:47.359
<v Speaker 2>I know that that that people want more, but it's

1217
01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:51.479
<v Speaker 2>just it's really hard and we really only get clarity

1218
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:55.039
<v Speaker 2>on it around beginning around thirteen hundred. Uh, you know,

1219
01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:57.079
<v Speaker 2>for what it was a lot of.

1220
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.159
<v Speaker 3>People were just running through there making skull mountains, like

1221
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:02.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, what's yeah, you know it's not that's

1222
01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:04.800
<v Speaker 3>bad for source survival, right.

1223
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the same. It's the

1224
01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:10.159
<v Speaker 2>same reason that we that source survival for the very

1225
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:14.279
<v Speaker 2>end of the Roman period in Europe is terrible because

1226
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:20.159
<v Speaker 2>once the Goths visit, Goths, vandals, uh Frank's name it,

1227
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.560
<v Speaker 2>German I, whoever the fuck it is, once all of

1228
01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:27.600
<v Speaker 2>them come through repeatedly and burn stuff, and you're just like, yeah,

1229
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>we don't know how they may whine back then because

1230
01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 2>all of the everything's lost, like they took it and

1231
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.079
<v Speaker 2>they broke it. Like I don't know what to tell you.

1232
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like it's just still part of a rich chapstery, right,

1233
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Like that's.

1234
01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:44.439
<v Speaker 2>What's going on now.

1235
01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have to make peace with it.

1236
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:51.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, I mean would if you went back in

1237
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:54.159
<v Speaker 2>time and are somehow able to like make this all

1238
01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:56.800
<v Speaker 2>make sense if you told Cyrus the Great that this

1239
01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.119
<v Speaker 2>is what's going to happen, Like, would he think it

1240
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.920
<v Speaker 2>was worth it? I mean maybe, I don't know. Maybe

1241
01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:07.199
<v Speaker 2>he would have been so offended by like, you know,

1242
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:14.399
<v Speaker 2>by the idea of religious unitarian religious belief, you know,

1243
01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:16.880
<v Speaker 2>no pluralism and stuff like that. Maybe he would have

1244
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.319
<v Speaker 2>been mortally offended by that. But then again, like I mean,

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01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of the people who lived the

1246
01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 2>generation before, you know, before us they don't approve of

1247
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the shit we do either, Some like who cares the

1248
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:33.119
<v Speaker 2>dead sit and sitting over all the living? You know.

1249
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:38.039
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it did survive. A part of Cyrus the Great,

1250
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:44.319
<v Speaker 2>a part of the Meads, a part of the Elamites.

1251
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:50.279
<v Speaker 2>All of that survived down to down to today. We

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01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>still see Persian is still spoken. It's it's an incredibly

1253
01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:56.600
<v Speaker 2>popular language. It's still spoken in a lot of places,

1254
01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:59.880
<v Speaker 2>especially Orn And it's like, yeah, there it is, there's

1255
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:02.680
<v Speaker 2>that there. We have this culture. We have these these

1256
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:09.640
<v Speaker 2>old medieval uh lion winged lion motifs that look awful,

1257
01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>similar to the winged lion motifs from the Caymanid era

1258
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:16.600
<v Speaker 2>that you know, we're found in places like Susa, you know.

1259
01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:22.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's like it's there. You just you gotta you know,

1260
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you just gotta follow it. And uh yeah, that's I

1261
01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:28.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know, that's pre modern Iran. I hope you all

1262
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:32.600
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it. I hope it was fun. Uh. I hope

1263
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Iran continues their steadfast defense of themselves nowadays. Uh in

1264
01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>what's happening right now? Yeah, I don't know what else

1265
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.079
<v Speaker 2>to say. I hope, uh hope you'll enjoyed it.

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01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're all fucking happy with this.

1267
01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Is all your fault.

1268
01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:54.760
<v Speaker 1>No, look what you made, Luke do.

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01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.000
<v Speaker 2>No. I had a lot of fun. I had a

1270
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.439
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun doing this, and I have learned so much.

1271
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I think Derias's like ultra woke uh inscription will always

1272
01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:12.439
<v Speaker 2>stick with me because it's just so there's something so

1273
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:17.159
<v Speaker 2>adorable to me about like a guy who like ransacks

1274
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:23.399
<v Speaker 2>from Egypt to fucking India and is just like it

1275
01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>was probably a usurper in the first place. And he's like,

1276
01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I built the this, this monument I built with all

1277
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:35.800
<v Speaker 2>of my woke staff. There's that guy over there and

1278
01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:38.600
<v Speaker 2>he's from Persia and that guy's Farsi and that, and

1279
01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:43.279
<v Speaker 2>you're just like, okay, man, we really do fucking contain.

1280
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.039
<v Speaker 1>It's dude, I.

1281
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Conquered Egypt so I can have their Stonemasons build the

1282
01:25:51.039 --> 01:26:00.640
<v Speaker 2>legs on this thing. And you're like, oh, okay, sure, sure, yeah, okay, anyway, Yeah,

1283
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.560
<v Speaker 2>things were better when we didn't have nationalism and you

1284
01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:05.560
<v Speaker 2>could just do stuff, just be like yeah, that's fine,

1285
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Like we're like you, and you could tell that it's

1286
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.680
<v Speaker 2>not nationalism because the people at the end of this

1287
01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>are in no way directly linked to like Cyrus, except

1288
01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:23.479
<v Speaker 2>they inhabit broadly, in habit the same part of the world,

1289
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:29.760
<v Speaker 2>and they speak a language downstream of of what of

1290
01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>what he would have spoken like, they're not the but

1291
01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>like that didn't matter, because it wasn't that you had

1292
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:40.319
<v Speaker 2>to live in near Mesopotamia. It was that you adopted

1293
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the Persian language and you liked cool art motifs or

1294
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>for sure. Anyway, thank y'all for listening. Folks. Uh man,

1295
01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I am gluttonous as hell for the lunch I'm about

1296
01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>to have. Anyway, y'all, thank you. Enjoy the bonus that

1297
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:02.600
<v Speaker 2>we unlock next episode. I am going back to Denver

1298
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>for the first time in seven years, going home, go

1299
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>not home, but going back to the place I wish

1300
01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:16.319
<v Speaker 2>I still lived, and Mike Mike to get get to

1301
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:21.199
<v Speaker 2>go see the Colorado Avalanche. Should Okay, we're in the

1302
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:23.399
<v Speaker 2>playoffs if they make if the series makes it the

1303
01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>game five, but yeah, we'll see. Uh that'll be cool

1304
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:29.079
<v Speaker 2>for me, eleanor what's going on with you?

1305
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Ah, great question.

1306
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.439
<v Speaker 3>I am in the middle of fucking festival season, so

1307
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I am legally insane and I'm not allowed to make

1308
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:45.760
<v Speaker 3>any legal choices for myself. If you are in London

1309
01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>on Monday, there's a couple of tickets left for my

1310
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.960
<v Speaker 3>gig with Kate Lister, the Betook the Sheets Live show.

1311
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.359
<v Speaker 3>If you want to come check us out for that.

1312
01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:00.640
<v Speaker 3>It's at Caddagan Hall or by Slone Square.

1313
01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>If you search for Book TwixT the Sheets Live you'll

1314
01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:07.079
<v Speaker 1>find that. Yeah.

1315
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:10.520
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the major thing that's going on this week. Otherwise,

1316
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:14.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm just in book hell while trying to

1317
01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:17.319
<v Speaker 3>run around and make a bunch of TV shows. So listen,

1318
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Speaker 3>everything is fine. It's gonna be fine, but it's gonna

1319
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:24.680
<v Speaker 3>be finer in September, but we'll be okay.

1320
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I guess the.

1321
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Other thing that I got coming up is if you

1322
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:30.199
<v Speaker 3>do if you are in the UK and you do

1323
01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:32.239
<v Speaker 3>want to go to Chalk Valley, I'm getting like fucking

1324
01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:35.800
<v Speaker 3>four talks there, so come along to those. Although I

1325
01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:39.800
<v Speaker 3>just don't think that we're I don't think our listeners

1326
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:41.199
<v Speaker 3>are Chalk Valley demographic.

1327
01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean that as a compliment. It just seem like, yeah, anyway.

1328
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, yeah, Well you can find me Lucas

1329
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Amazing talking about whatever. You can find my old show

1330
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>People's Sisterville Republic. If you want to hear me yapping

1331
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>about Star Wars anyway, folks, that's gonna do it for

1332
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>us today. Thank you so much for listening. We'll see

1333
01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye. Oh wait wait wait wait no, keep it sloppy.