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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are back again with our friends

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Brad and Jeff from the Film By Podcast, ready to

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sync our teeth into some nasty, nasty sharky goo called

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Jaws The Revenge.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Merry Christmas. Yes, yes,

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thank you, it's another Christmas movie.

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Speaker 4: Hey, before we move on, this is sort of completing

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our series on the summer of nineteen eighty seven. These

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movies and albums are thirty five years old. So we've

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gone through White Snake nineteen eighty seven, We've gone through

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Motley Crue, Girls, Girls Girls, we did RoboCop and Predator,

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and now today we are comparing two of the worst

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movies of the nineteen eighties just happened to be released

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within a month of each other. Can eighty seven Superman

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for the Question for Piece and Jaws don't call it

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for the Revenge.

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Speaker 2: It's very questionable as to whether they even consider Jaws

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three like is do they just disregard it for this

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movie or do we think that there's been a massive change.

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Speaker 5: I think they disregard it and it's Quaid was older

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than he was.

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Speaker 3: And he was also an engineer for Sea World. He

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was not a marine biologist, so I can always do

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a career change. Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: My understanding is that this is one of those situations,

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and we have this happening all the time in Hollywood

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now where we just ignore several sequels and we do

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the true quote unquote sequel to an original. This is

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considered Jaws three as far as the you know, the

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studio is concerned.

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Speaker 4: Okay, before we move on to Jaws four, tell me

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your opinions on Jaws three.

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Speaker 5: I enjoy Jaws three if you take away the fact

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that they're Brodie's I think you just have a good

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shark movie. There's no you know, it's just a story

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about a shark, you know, attacking SeaWorld, and it's it's

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really kind of cool. The acting in and is so

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over the top because apparently everybody was coked out of

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their mind, especially that is Quaite. The acting is so

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over the top, but you do get some good scenes

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with actors working with like killer whales, dolphins and stuff

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like that. There's a lot of scenes where I'm like, wow,

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that's best Armstrong on the Killer well, and so I

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actually like Jaws three a lot more than Jaws The Revenge.

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But I think it's a fun movie. I mean because

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it it's almost not that they play back into it

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a little bit of the Brodi's being like, oh, well,

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I know sharks they're killers, but they don't reflect on

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it as much as The Revenge of Oh They're coming

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after me. It just more is so of coincidence.

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Speaker 3: I think the Moderator and Billy Madison would have a

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field day with what you just said. I'm gonna I'm

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gonna say this, Y'all's three D is a dumpster fire

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of a movie. And if the Shirley listeners have not

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seen it, save your time. If you want to see

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Lewis Gosset Junior in the water, go go rent the

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deep because you're gonna be way happier with him and

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Jack lambissit. And as far as Leah Thompson, watch her

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and I don't know anything else her end in his

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quaid because.

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Speaker 2: What about Howard the Duck?

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely worst film of nineteen eighty six or tied.

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I guess we could say Jason Yes for worst film

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of nineteen six I'll take her in that every day

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of the week and twice on Sunday over over Jall's

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three D.

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Speaker 2: Whoao wow?

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Speaker 5: Tell me that a story based on a theme park

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that builds a lagoon that leans out to the ocean

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and a shark accidentally gets in could maybe happen as

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opposed to a descendant from nineteen seventy five of a

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shark that his target it did. A family is a

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better film than just the Sea World Adventure.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to discuss the biology of sharks and

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and how many eggs they lay or how Yeah, I'm

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not gonna do that, or their motivations. What I am

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going to say, I don't know what they.

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Speaker 5: Do do They swim, They eat, and make baby shirts.

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That's all they do. That's all they do. They don't

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Speaker 3: They say what you will about Jaws Revenge, but I

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will take any frame from Jaws Revenge and happily watch

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that over the terrible three D special effects of stuff

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floating at us in Jaws three D. It's kind of

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leading with our final judgment. Huh, I'm sorry, Yeah, this

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is Jaws three D versus Jaws Revenge. You know, I'll

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save my my thoughts for Jaws against against soups. But

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I just I can't believe Brad's saying, how amazing Jaws

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three D.

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Speaker 5: Well, Well, here one last thing about Jaws three. Like

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you would have called it something else, it's kind of

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like a horror film. There's a lot deep bluesy no

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but no, but Jaws three they show a lot of blood.

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very like a sigh.

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Speaker 3: It's actually at.

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Speaker 5: The beginning like a horror film, not more of like

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a C terror adventure. They set it up like a

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horror film, and I think, I don't know, it stands

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Speaker 2: But the last time that I saw Jaws three D

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was twenty nine years ago, almost exactly up until my

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dad said, get up, we're not watching the rest of

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this movie. I walked out.

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Speaker 3: You walked out of the theater on Jaws three D.

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Speaker 2: The first time I was that was a like a

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revelatory moment, like I'm I mean in nineteen eighty three,

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I was eight seven. Maybe it was like you're allowed

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to just walk out of them? Is that something you

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can do. But sure enough we did it, and he

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was just he was appalled, not so appalled that he

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didn't Maybe I can't remember he took me to Jaws

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Revenge or not. But so just I'll throw I'll throw

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my two cents in on these, on these measurements. And

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by the way, I'll start off with Superman three, just

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because it's come in. It's come in a couple times. Here,

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Superman three on IMDb gets a five point zero. You

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mentioned that Supergirl is really the next in the series

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and probably the worst movie. It got a four point four,

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and then Superman four got a three point seven. Jaws

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three D also got a three point seven. Jaws the

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Revenge three point zero.

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Speaker 4: Nobody cans zero.

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Speaker 2: I am not saying that I agree with that, but

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let the record show that as far as the fan

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vote is concerned, there is no question that Jaws the

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Revenge is the worst of these sequence of movies.

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Speaker 3: Okay, take this to the town council, Larry Vaughan, and

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I will demand a recount.

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Speaker 5: I can accept that a three point seven over a

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three point zero. I can accept that as far as

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the ratings are concerned.

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Speaker 3: Oh and it's.

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Speaker 5: Just saying it's just a little bit better than Jaws

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the event, just a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I'm calling may Or Murray Hamilton and raising Kine about that.

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Speaker 2: Just for a little bit of perspective. The director of

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that wouldn't work for Jaws one.

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Speaker 3: But we started our list, we started.

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Speaker 2: Our last episode with how did this movie get made? Right? Like,

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how did this steamy pilot crap end up in theaters

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in front of the public who was anxious for something

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not what we got right? And so we talked about

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what happened with Superman four. It was a huge budget slash.

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It was the sal Kinds basically had to give away

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the rights for five million dollars because they were out

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of money. Then the Cannon group who took the movie

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had to slice the budget from thirty six million down

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to seventeen million, which is a gigantic cut, and then

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cut twenty five percent of the movie that they filmed.

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These are all reasons for a bad movie, But as

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Jason pointed out, with Jaws four, you've still got universal money,

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like you've got major studio money. It was a very

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expensive movie. You got the director of the taking a

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pelllem one two three, which is I mean an Emmy

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winning director, right, Yeah, You've got Michael Caine, You've got

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Lance Guest, who was super hot at the time. I

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don't mean like in an attractive way. I mean like

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he was a hot commodity.

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Speaker 3: Aman.

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Speaker 2: He's a good looking guy too.

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Speaker 3: I'll say it with the Lance Guest with the beard.

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Speaker 5: He was the last we knew him as the last Starfighter.

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Speaker 2: That's yah, it was the last Starfighter. So how with

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all of that do you get Jaws the Revenge? And

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it's three point zero nastiness.

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Speaker 4: Here's the one thing you're also forgetting is that the

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star the leading lady, was married to the studio head.

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Speaker 2: Sid Sheinberg, who is responsible for the first Jows. He

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is responsible for getting Steven Spielberg to make the first Jaws.

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He was president back then, still president in nineteen eighty

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six when he makes a call and says we need

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to make Jaws four. How does that happen?

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Speaker 5: He said, I want my wife out of the house

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twitter in the Bahamas for like six months as sick

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of her. Is the only thing I could think of

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He's just like, gave her something.

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Speaker 3: To do, he hung her out to dry.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that he anticipated obviously that this

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was going to be the train wreck that it was, right,

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but why did they decide to do it? So I'm

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going to take you guys back to nineteen eighty six.

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Everybody excited about that. You guys are super familiar with

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that year.

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Speaker 3: We know a little bit about nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 2: Bets, just just in case our listeners don't know, the

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film by guys have a running series dedicated to the

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movies of nineteen eighty six. Jason just got off of

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an episode that he did with them on what movie I've.

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Speaker 4: Done Legal Eagles, We've done the Hitcher.

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Speaker 3: Kind of poetic since we're talking about these two movies

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for eighty seven, but we're doing like the worst week ever.

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We're gonna be talking about Howard the Duck and Under

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the Cherry Moon. So and Jason's coming back for that one.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said it, because you've named both

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of the movies. Now. So for nineteen eighty six, Universal

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had two major investments. One was Legal Eagles. They spent

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like forty million dollars, which I mean that's a lot

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of money for a courtroom drama, right, courtroom comedy, Yeah, drama.

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and stuff. They made some money on it, but not

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nearly enough to justify a budget that big. And then

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they followed it right up with an even bigger budget

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for Howard the Duck, which was the biggest stinker potentially

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of the eighties, if not nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to listen to your podcast to determine how

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those shake out as the worst of eighty six.

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Speaker 2: So here it is, they've just finished the summer of

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nineteen eighty six. Sid Sheinberg is sitting in his office thinking,

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how the heck do I come back from this dismal

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summer that I've just had. It's September or October, and

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he thinks, I think that I can make another Jaws movie.

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Speaker 4: That's not a bad idea, it's not a great idea.

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It is a great idea.

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Speaker 2: So there's Sid Sheinberg and he's thinking to himself, we've

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just laid a couple of eggs here. What do we

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do to come back from it? Let's look at somebody

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who's been super successful in the summer of nineteen eighty six, Jason,

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what do you think the best movie of nineteen eighty

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six was this movie.

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Speaker 4: Of nineteen eighty six, Spike The Football is Aliens, without

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a doubt, unquestionably James Cameron's masterpiece.

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Speaker 2: And so Sid Sheinberg is looking at that same storyline.

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He's thinking, huh, a woman hero fights a terrible, sharp

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toothed monster. I wonder if I can do something it's

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got to be I mean, i'm it makes sense. I'm

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there's conjecture here. There's no question. There's some conjects, but

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I mean, it's pretty easy to make those mental jumps,

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Speaker 4: So he calls Sigourney Weaver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he now this is interesting. He went home

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and told his wife, Hey, I think I'm going to

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do another Jaws movie, and she didn't believe him. And

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then she really didn't believe that he was going to

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cast her in the movie because she hadn't acted in

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eight years. Movie that she was in before this movie

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was nineteen forty one, the Big Spielberg Egg.

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Speaker 3: Seventy.

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Speaker 5: We ripped that apart on a film by There you go.

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Speaker 3: Hated to do it, but we did.

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Speaker 5: But do you think it's she's actually not bad in

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the movie. I mean, she's a pretty good actress.

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Speaker 3: No, she's not.

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Speaker 4: And you know what I texted you, guys, she's forty

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nine in nineteen eighty six when she films this movie,

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she looks seventy five. And I'm sorry, I hate to

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be the one who says that I'm forty nine years old.

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I hope I don't look that old.

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Speaker 2: Ye, well, she looked like she was in her sixties

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back in seventy five.

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Speaker 3: Let me let me ask this, because we know we

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got universal money here. Is there any hope that maybe

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they wanted to kind of age her to get a

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little bit closer to Michael Caine and and also be

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believable as as Lance Guest's mom because he's twenty seven.

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And when this movie comes out and the math holds up,

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you know, you know, if Ellen Brody has her first

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kid when she's twenty two. But you're right, she life

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on the island has been tough for her.

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Speaker 2: She's a little too much fun, a little too much

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beach done, little too much. Yeah, and let me just

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I'm gonna throw this in on my on my theory

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on aliens. The tagline for Aliens was this time it's war.

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The tagline for Josh the Revenges this time it's personal.

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That's a wonderful difference, guys, one word different, I think. Man.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you could almost switch those taglines for

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the movies and it still makes sense, right, yeah, right, wow.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is another just a sidebar. There

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were rumors back then that suggested that Sid Sheinberg and

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Universal president Frank Price had started a heat argument on

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the fifteenth floor of the studio building because they each

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blamed the other one for giving Howard the Duck the

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green light that actually ended up in a full on fistfight.

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Speaker 3: I believe that.

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Speaker 5: I believe that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Sid Sheinberg denies it, says it's not true,

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But I like that story.

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Speaker 4: Oh front of them green light to jows of revenge.

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It's got to be Sid Scheinberg. I mean, there's no question,

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that's no.

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Speaker 2: Question that Sid Sheinberg. So here's what happened. Sid Sheinberg

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gets what he believes to be a brilliant idea. We're

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gon we're gonna steal the thunder of Aliens, and we're

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gonna make it in the Bahamas. I mean, it's like

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we're taking a James Bond movie, right, and we're gonna

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get some quality actors and put in it. We got

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this guy from Heartbreak Ridge. By the way, Heartbreak Ridge

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one of the first episodes that I listened to that

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you guys did, loved it, Thank you. But you've got

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mister Mario Van Peeples who was like, no, I'm not

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gonna do I saw Jows three D. You know I'm

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not gonna do that. And they're like, we'll give you

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a lot of money and you can have complete control

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of the character and how it's played. It's like, Okay,

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I'll do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it Jamaican the entire time.

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Speaker 5: Yea, not the entire time. Just not the entire time,

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not the entire time, just some times when to say, Mike,

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get those conks men stuff.

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Speaker 2: Can you live?

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Speaker 3: I almost feel like the casting that can you can you? Oh,

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you can do it? You make an accent. Yeah, I'm

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just gonna use the word mon a lot and people people.

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Speaker 2: Go for it.

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Speaker 4: No, but I stayed a holiday and express.

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Speaker 2: The other key ingredient. You've got aliens, You've got we've

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got to recover from Howard the duck. And you've got

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my wife. I can pay her a lot of money

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to do this movie and get her out of my

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hair maybe.

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Speaker 3: And then my mistress is in town.

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Speaker 2: But what sealed the deal for him were the high

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TV ratings that Jaws one and Josh two were getting

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at the time. They were blown away. They're like, wow,

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these these movies are still popular. Let's give it another

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try while it's still got gas in the tank, right,

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he sends to me. So he calls the director, Joseph Sargent,

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and he's like, Okay, I don't really think I can

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do a Jaws movie. I'm that's not my style at all.

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And he's like, no, no, no, no, I want this

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to be like a relationship, character driven movie. This needs

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to be a throwback to the original, but more about

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the characters and the relationships between them, and you again

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have control. He's like, wow, okay, well, I guess I

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can give that a try. He's like, okay, great, I

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need it by July of next year. This was September

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or October. That's nine months. Again. This is why we

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have the stinker that we have is because they've forced

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them to do a movie. This time. They have a

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bunch of sharks, a bunch of bruss if you will.

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And what was the thing that everybody kept saying during

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the original Jaws? They announced it over the innercarm.

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Speaker 5: The shark is not working. The shark is not working.

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Speaker 2: You got it? And they had those same issues despite

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the fact that they took like ten different sharks down there.

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They repeatedly did not work. Lance Guest said, I was

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routinely sent home for the day because the shark was

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not working.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: They really did not learn any of the lessons from Joss, right, No,

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I mean one of the great things about Joss We've

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talked about this. You sense the shark, you see the

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fin the music tells you where it is. And this

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it's like rah, just right across the screen. You're like,

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what is that plastic piece of crap that we're looking at?

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Speaker 3: So they somehow got Michael Caine.

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Speaker 5: Michael Caine had a reputation for taking some stinkers but

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doing it very smartly, like buying a house, sending his

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kids to college, things like that. That started with Beyond

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the Sign of the Adventure the Hand in nineteen eighty

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one and this. You know a lot of movies you're like,

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why is Michael Cain in this, But he always says, hey,

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bought me my summer house, got my foot kids through college,

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got me this vacation, fixed my roof. So I mean

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he did them and I can say that in none

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of those films does they look like he's just like

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I'm just gonna walk. He does go full on Michael Kanish,

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which is always fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: I know this about Michael Kane. Also, he's a huge

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fan of Jaws and decided, hey, I just want to

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be a part of that pop culture piece of film

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to say that I'm in the Jaws world. Count me

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in and it shows, like when he plays Hoky, he's

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having a fun time Doug. To Brad's point, he's not

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phoning it in. He's having a good time down there.

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He's one of the things that works in this movie. Yeah,

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absolutely he is.

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Speaker 2: When he was asked in interviews about it later, they said,

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have you seen the movie and he says, no, but

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I've been in the house that it bought and it's

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very lovely.

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Speaker 3: Here you go, here's the exact quote.

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Speaker 4: Okay, listen to this, soak this in because it's marvelous.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: I have never seen it, but by all accounts it's terrible. However,

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I have seen the house that it built and it

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is terrific. He also said, kind of, Brad, what you

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were saying, I want an Oscar. I built a house,

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had a great holiday. Not bad for a flop movie.

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Speaker 2: He won the Oscar that year for the the movie

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that he had done the year before, Hannah and her Sisters,

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and this movie. Because they were trying to squeeze it

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in such an impossible time frame. He said, can I have,

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you know, just a couple of days off to go

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up and be at the Oscars? And they said, no, no,

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you can't, And so he won the Oscar but was

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not able to be there because of this movie.

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Speaker 4: Jaws the Revenge was released July seventeenth, nineteen eighty seven.

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It finished third at the box office. Number one was Rocop,

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Number two was a Disney re release of Snow White Yep.

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Speaker 3: Three was jos The Revenge.

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Speaker 5: Did any of you guys see this in the theater?

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Speaker 2: No? I saw it in the theater. Wow, I did.

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Speaker 5: My brother took me to see it. He had just

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turned thirteen. So this movie was PG thirteen, even though

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I think three is a lot more goorier, but he

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took me to see it, and there are two different

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endings to this film. We will cover that, Okay, yeah

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for sure. But yeah, I actually did see this in

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the theater.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind. I mean, we could talk about that

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now because I told I told Jason because we're talking

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about it, and he's like, how long has it been

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since you've seen it? And I said, I think I

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saw it in the theater and that's the only time

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I saw it. And he's like, so the end and

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I'm like, yeah, the shark gets impaled. He goes yeah,

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and then it explodes and I'm like what. He's like, yeah,

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the shark explodes for literally no reason at all, and

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I'm like, man, I don't remember that far. And so

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we keep on talking and he mentions that, you know,

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Jake gets eaten by the shark and then miraculously, even

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though he's obviously drowned and gored to death, just appears

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back at the end and it's completely fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, he did, I don't remember that fight either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's because in the theatrical cut, neither one

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of those things happened. There was no shark exploding, and

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he was dead. He was dead dead, and it went

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from impaled shark and you know, the ship getting taken

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down cut to they're leaving in the plane. He's saying,

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get on, you know, hurry and get on Ellen Brody

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because you're going to miss flight. That was it. There

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was no swimming, there was no none of that, and

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definitely no exploding shark. What happened was they showed the

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theatrical cut, everybody hated it, and they thought the way

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to fix it was to put an exploding shark at

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the end and then save Mario.

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Speaker 5: People's I recently watched it. It is on to be.

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It is streaming on to be, So that's the version

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I watched, and I was like, Okay, where's the impairment

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and is this going to be I remember like, is

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this going to be the version where Mario van Peebles

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lives or not? And I remember the impairment was kind

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of unique, you know, because it does bring down the

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entire ship. But I believe these are clips from the

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very first film.

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Speaker 2: This makes as much sense as a great white shark

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swimming five thousand miles at the same speed that a

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plane flash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, real quick, just because I'm starting to feel

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like an impostor, and I don't want you guys to

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drop me like a chum marker. Oh I'm gonna go

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hot take. I love Jaws of Revenge. I've got plenty,

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I got plenty to say about what's wrong with it,

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but I I freaking love Jaws the Revenge.

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Speaker 4: Brad knows this for years and years because.

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Speaker 3: We've debated the rage debate over this, But I love

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the film, so I'll have lots of good to say.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me say this because this is a

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This is a good segue into talking about what the

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what the movie did right? But phone conversation with Jason

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this morning, as I'm driving over here today, I was

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actually really surprised at how much I liked Draws the

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Revenge right, because again, I hadn't seen it since nineteen

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eighty seven, and I remembered it being horrible, and when

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I watched it again, I was like, well, it's really

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horrible in certain areas, which are really big areas, but

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it's not horrible as a whole. There are some decent parts,

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so we can.

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Speaker 5: I'm waiting to hear this, Chris.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving death stare, arms crossed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: I think then that probably the appropriate thing to do

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at this moment is to have Brad tell us, Brad,

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what did this movie get right? What they do right?

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Speaker 5: I think the Bahamas works. Using Using the Bahamas works,

473
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,880
It's very beautiful. You get a lot of clear shots,

474
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,920
like the shot of them looking for Ellen and the

475
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,599
shark coming out of the water, the aerial view with

476
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:27,200
the ship. I'm like, that's a really good shot, and

477
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,279
that's the whole ocean. So I think a lot of

478
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,319
that stuff they got right. I think the casting was

479
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,400
obviously very good, but using the Brodie's and the personal stuff,

480
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,119
so it just it just gotta I'm trying to think

481
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,279
if there's anything.

482
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,599
Speaker 3: Else good, come on, man, in it.

483
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:50,759
Speaker 5: I don't. I mean no, I can't think of anything

484
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,400
else that's really that good in it.

485
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: Jason, Okay, I don't want to get in front of

486
00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:57,200
Jeff on this stuff, but.

487
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,279
Speaker 2: Jeff is we're saving Jeff with the end.

488
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 5: OKAE got some good stuff.

489
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 4: So just to kind of expand on what Brad said,

490
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,480
I think that the cast is really good.

491
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: Right.

492
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,279
Speaker 4: You've got Michael Caine, who is an Oscar winner. You

493
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,839
bring back Lorrangary, who you know played Ellen, brody and

494
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,799
and she was solid. I thought she did a good jake.

495
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,799
You know, Mari Van Peebles, I liked him. He was fun.

496
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,440
The accent was a little bit here and there, but

497
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,240
still good character, a lot of fun. Lance Guest, Last Starfighter,

498
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,720
sign me up right. My favorite character in the entire

499
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:32,680
movie is Carla, the girl who plays Michael's wife. Really,

500
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,400
she was sweet and lovely. Karen Young when she is

501
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,960
helping Michael snap out of his depression by you know,

502
00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,480
inviting him to climb under the sheets, I was like,

503
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,319
this girl's awesome, right, ye rubber banding her panties at

504
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:55,680
his face, panties. Fact that Roy Schard didn't come back,

505
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:57,119
I thought that was a good move.

506
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: Smart.

507
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 4: You know. The fact that he of fear is one

508
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,519
of the things that did not work for me, and

509
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:05,359
we can talk about that here in a second. Listen,

510
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,039
the return of missus Kintner was yes, gold.

511
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 5: I didn't notice that until this wat It.

512
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,039
Speaker 3: Didn't do a very good job.

513
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: Of making you see that, but she's there, She's at

514
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,039
the post funeral lunch, and I'm with you. I think

515
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:23,920
the Bahamas were beautiful to look at. Unfortunately, when you

516
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,279
pair those Bahama scenes up with the backlot at Universal.

517
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,599
Speaker 3: It becomes so clear and I'm gonna give one.

518
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,799
Speaker 4: More thing, and then on Jeff, I'm gonna get out

519
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,480
of your way. This is the eighties lover in me okay,

520
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,839
when they break into You've Got It All by the

521
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,119
Jets at that dance party number three hit in nineteen

522
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,880
eighty six. It was on the Makeout List of eighty six.

523
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,880
It just brought back a lot of nostalgic memories. Now

524
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,000
listen before I get out, before I turn it over

525
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,079
to you, we are doing a bonus Patreon episode where

526
00:25:55,079 --> 00:26:00,720
we deep dive on that particular song. Yay. So there

527
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,559
is a very interesting story behind this song. It's gonna

528
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,799
be a bonus episode. Follow us on Patreon.

529
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 5: Check it out over there.

530
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, it's all the floors yours bro way, Jeff,

531
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,519
before you go, yeah, yeah, let's hear from you.

532
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: I know that's all right. I want to save you

533
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,880
for last. But just another shameless plug. Jason and I

534
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,759
have covered Jaws of the original movie versus Jurassic Park,

535
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,200
and we were talking about Lee Fierro. Missus Kittener thirty

536
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,640
years later, goes to a restaurant somewhere in Martha's vineyard

537
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,720
area and looks at the menu and sees that there's

538
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,200
an Alex Kittner berger, and she says to the waitress.

539
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,960
She's like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this is

540
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,039
on here. She goes, I actually played the part of

541
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,319
Missus Kittner in the original Jaws movie. And the waitress

542
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,680
is like, oh my gosh, hold on, she leaves, She

543
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,480
comes back and brings the restaurant owner with her. The

544
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,799
restaurant owner is the kid who played Alex Kittner, and

545
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,880
that's why they have that burger love Man.

546
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: What a great story.

547
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,759
Speaker 2: So I will just say for my part, they came

548
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,720
into this movie with the idea of doing character development

549
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,160
and relationship development. I think they did a really good

550
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:08,160
job with that. I mean, the interaction between the characters

551
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,839
is really good, and it's actually really well shot for

552
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,759
like a drama. If you could only take out the

553
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,279
shark scenes and change the storyline, you might have a

554
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,640
good movie. The problem is the shark and the storyline

555
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,960
are the two biggest pieces of the movie. So despite

556
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,880
the fact that you've got what appears to be some

557
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,279
really great acting, great character writing, great relationship writing and

558
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,119
great directing in the non special effects area. It's just

559
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,000
not enough to say this movie, but those parts where

560
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,039
I thought very well done. And that was why I

561
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,799
said to Jason, I really find myself enjoying this a

562
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,039
lot more than I thought I was going to.

563
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: Well, listen, all three of you actually did a lot

564
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,759
of the heavy lifting for me just then. And I

565
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,279
don't want to retread the same water too much, but

566
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,319
I will say sensational cast.

567
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:55,039
Speaker 2: Nice.

568
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: I love the cast, you know. I enjoy seeing Michael

569
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,640
Kaine in anything, even the smaller roles like the little

570
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,000
girl Judith Barci.

571
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: I think your name is, you know.

572
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Fantastic, and she has some tough dialogue if you think

573
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,240
about some of the conversations that she has. I know,

574
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,559
I know she's ten playing five, but but she does

575
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:16,799
it really well. I think I absolutely love Lance Guest

576
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,079
in this Sorry brad Leagues above Dennis Quaid. And I'm

577
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,319
not saying they're filmographies. I'm just saying, as Brodie's I'm

578
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,880
always gonna go with Lance Guest over Dennisquaid. I definitely

579
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,920
love the idea that a lot of this movie is

580
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,960
about personal relationships. I totally buy the whole thing between

581
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,160
Ellen and Michael. It feels real. And if you took

582
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680
if you took the whole shark attack out of this

583
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,480
and made this a drama, I'd watch another another hour

584
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,079
of just them dealing with the loss of a relative

585
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,119
because they both sell it so well. Another thing I

586
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,279
really like about this and we we kind of we've

587
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,039
kind of talked a little bit about this on our

588
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,839
on our podcast, but movies like this from the eighties

589
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,079
and the seventies and even like the early nineties, I

590
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,279
was a lot younger, so there's there's things I didn't

591
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,359
pay attention to that as an adult, I do pay

592
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:01,960
attention to this movie and the way it deals with

593
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:05,480
PTSD and and trauma for people. I think has done

594
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:09,119
really well, especially with Lance Guest. I mean, he is

595
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,599
absolutely just destroyed when the shark comes to town because

596
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,880
he's holding it pretty he's holding himself together pretty well

597
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,920
for his mom and the family. But when the shark

598
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,839
shows up, you know, the sleepless nights, the drenched sweat,

599
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,200
I mean, he's waking up like Ellen Ripley in Aliens,

600
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,480
I mean, he is not okay with with what's going on.

601
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,799
And I love the fact that even after his first

602
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,039
encounter with the shark, he wants to jump right back

603
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,720
in the water just to deal with his demons. So

604
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,599
a lot of good stuff going on here. I love

605
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,680
the production values. Shooting in the Bahamas, shooting at Martha's vineyard.

606
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,759
They have no issues just destroying a small I don't

607
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,839
think it's like a cessna. When HOGI just lands it,

608
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,599
that was a great scene.

609
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,759
Speaker 2: I was like, are they really going to land that thing?

610
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,519
And by golly, they did it. I thought that he's

611
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:00,480
a full on cowboy.

612
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,599
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, we got to get to her, all right,

613
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,440
we're taking it down.

614
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm not real sure why you wouldn't cut the props

615
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960
and like glide In. Maybe glide In it's supposed to

616
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,240
destroying the propellers when you come in. But you know whatever,

617
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:14,960
it was real.

618
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: It's a ballsy move too, because yeah, it's a ballsy

619
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,359
move because you've got to crash the plane near the boat,

620
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,720
and then you've got like a thirty yard swim to

621
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,359
the boat and oh, by the way, there's a great

622
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:28,400
white shark right there. Love when he's doing the hide

623
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,359
and seek in the sunken ship with the shark. I

624
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,519
feel the claustrophobia in that scene, and I think to myself,

625
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,960
you know, wow, what would you even do? How do

626
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,400
you how far can you go? And again the effects

627
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,279
and I know this movie gets the Razzie for for

628
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:46,920
worst effects, which I don't know how that happens when

629
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,160
Superman four is also out there, but when Jaws bust

630
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,319
through like and when it can't, when it can't reach him,

631
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,559
and it busts through and the only thing saving him

632
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,079
is that rusty ladder. Love that scene. That's a that's

633
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,079
a clutch, the arm of the couch moment, you know

634
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,039
where you're just like, get out of there, find a

635
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,279
way out. So I went a little too far, but hey,

636
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,400
I'm this is what I love about the movie.

637
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:11,759
Speaker 2: So just talking about that scene, I mentioned in our

638
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,680
last episode that Superman had some parts that could have

639
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,799
been great, and we ended up seeing him great and

640
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,759
mega mind And as far as that particular scene goes,

641
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:25,319
where you got him, where you got Bruce chasing the

642
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,319
guy through the sunken ship, they took it up a

643
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,519
notch when they did finding Nemo.

644
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 4: They did.

645
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they did that's right.

646
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: Scope.

647
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Hey, well look this works spelled just like the escape is.

648
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: All friends not food.

649
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,839
Speaker 4: Hey, one more thing that's positive in the in the

650
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:45,480
positive column for jas Revenge, No Cindy and Sandy, the

651
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,160
ridiculous dolphins from just three.

652
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you.

653
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,039
Speaker 5: I will agree, did Jane? There's all three? The Cindy

654
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,440
and Sandy thing does hurt, And yes, I will agree

655
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,759
with you that Lance Guest's performance is brody because apparently

656
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,319
Dennis Quaid was so coked up you could see it.

657
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,359
He is, he overacts so much, him and Best Armstrong

658
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,359
and Lewis Cassa Junior. But I don't understand how I

659
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,680
won the Razzie for Worse Effects because I'm trying to

660
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,839
figure out when there was a bad effect, because Jeff,

661
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,880
you were right that that scene where the latter stucks.

662
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,279
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about those.

663
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: Trying to remember like some of the bad special effects,

664
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,720
but there are some good special effects that at least

665
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,440
counter the bad ones.

666
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,079
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, and I'll be fair.

667
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: I know right, he's defend I like it.

668
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

669
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 4: Before we get into the fun part of the podcast,

670
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,920
I got to bring it down for just a second. Okay,

671
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,200
the tragic story of Judith Barci. We've got to at

672
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:50,039
least touch on that. Okay, she's a girl and Jaws

673
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,000
the Revenge. Her father was a psychopath who kept her

674
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,799
mother and her constant fear, threatened to kill them, threatened

675
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,079
to kill them. When they went to the Bahamas to

676
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,519
shoot Jaws the Revenge, she said, if you don't come back,

677
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,519
I'm gonna hunt you down and kill you. Well a

678
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,960
year later, in nineteen eighty eight, he did that very thing.

679
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,039
He killed his wife, killed the little girl. Her name

680
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:12,519
is Judith, and then killed himself.

681
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,359
Speaker 2: She had, I mean, she was a quick rising star.

682
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,799
She had been in quite a few things. This obviously

683
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,920
was a big movie that she was in. But if

684
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680
you guys remember A Land Before Time, she was a

685
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,160
little duck billed dinosaur that would go yep, yep, yep, yep.

686
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,279
And that's what they actually put on her tombstone marker.

687
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,920
Is that quote yep yep yep?

688
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,799
Speaker 4: Right is kucky yep? One is what it is? Yet

689
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,400
lap blood?

690
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was. She was a little girl with some

691
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,240
acting chops she pulled. I mean, she took a part

692
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,000
that had a lot of potential to be super annoying

693
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400
and she delivered it really well. It is a true tragedy.

694
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,839
I've heard that that house that people who have resided

695
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,440
in the house believe it to be haunted by the

696
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:54,240
her spirit.

697
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: Last guest was one of the pall bearers at the funeral.

698
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,480
No oh wow, all right, So enough of that.

699
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,279
Speaker 4: Let's get into the stuff that does not work in

700
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:04,839
this movie.

701
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,079
Speaker 2: Can we talk about Maverick for just a second? Top

702
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:07,599
Gun Maverick?

703
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,679
Speaker 3: Sure? What was ways?

704
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,039
Speaker 2: So we all have done our own podcast on Top

705
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,360
Gun Maverick. And when you guys saw that first scene

706
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,960
where it absolutely mimicked the first scene of the original

707
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,039
Top Gun, did everybody else do the same thing in

708
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,280
their head in their head that I did where you went?

709
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, so chills.

710
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,039
Speaker 2: So what we got at the beginning of Jaws the

711
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,920
Revenge is we've got the shark's point of view swimming

712
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,000
through the water, and I'm like, okay, I could see it.

713
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,480
That's the right move to make very good you guys

714
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,960
would do it. WHOA what? Why is his head above

715
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,840
the water? Yep? What is happening? Apparently that was foreshadowing

716
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,800
because a majority of the movie when you see the shark,

717
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,960
he's above the water.

718
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 5: He is out of the water a lot.

719
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, it was like get Nope, almost good and

720
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,000
then not good.

721
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: But here we go with the bad effects, right, so

722
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,480
we need to be reminded of the bad effects here. Yeah,

723
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,360
when Sean gets his arm eating off and you can

724
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,360
see his other.

725
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,679
Speaker 2: So I knew a piano player was just one arm.

726
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,519
Took her two minutes to play the minute walls, let

727
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,320
me tell that to him other and just Son just

728
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:24,800
got his arm.

729
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 5: Son got his arm rapped.

730
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, told that joke to her. H Again, I thought

731
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,559
the acting was good. You got Mitchell Anderson as the

732
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,599
young Sean or the I guess the old Sean Brody, right,

733
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239
the kid who little over the top, who in the

734
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,599
first who in the first Jaws does the imitation game

735
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:48,320
with that? Right? That was that was what he was

736
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000
supposed to do there. Mitchell Anderson is the guy playing it,

737
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:52,960
and I and I'm watching, I'm like, I know that guy?

738
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,519
How do I know that guy? Don't? Do you guys

739
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:55,480
know where you know him from?

740
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.

741
00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 2: He was the other like the pretty doctor in Doogie Hazard.

742
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,679
Oh okay, yeah, I again I thought it was a

743
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,159
good I thought everything was well directed and set up

744
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,880
wealth to have him out there and then you have

745
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,119
that absurd I can see your arm inside your shirt moment,

746
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480
and then him just screaming, and of course the shark again.

747
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,639
They violate the cardinal rule of the good horror movies,

748
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,559
the rule that Jaws put in place by pure accident,

749
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,559
which is you don't show the shark. You don't show

750
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,000
the shark until you're like three quarters into the movie.

751
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,320
They showed it within the first five minutes and it

752
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,800
was terrible. It was not believable. It was an ugly shark.

753
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:44,599
And then you've got this weird look like he had

754
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,320
his arm caught in a paper shredder.

755
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then.

756
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Somehow he ends back up in the water.

757
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: Jeff, care to defend that one. I cannot defend that

758
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,440
that moment because listen, you are a Amityville deputy, and

759
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,800
I understand you're in shock. You just got your arm

760
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,400
bit off and it's it looks like a site gag

761
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,159
from a Pink Panther film. However, you have two choices.

762
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,159
You can crawl over to the CB and and and

763
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,679
scream for help, or you can hang yourself over the

764
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,519
side of the half chewed boat and scream for help

765
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,599
to the the choir that's singing about a mile away.

766
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,440
I hate that scene just because of the ignorance that

767
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,440
it that it has him showing.

768
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: Hey, it was really important for him to go get

769
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,599
that log off of that booy because it was gonna stop.

770
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: All of those fishes, all the fishermen who even saw

771
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,639
that in that pitch black moment.

772
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So once she flies, Okay, so we've

773
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,320
got the funeral, right, yep, she got She's telling her son,

774
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
who's just about to get his doctorate in marine biology,

775
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,800
that she doesn't want him to work in the water anymore.

776
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,679
I actually appreciated that, as I can see, I can

777
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,079
see the irrational mom that that that's believable. Right. But

778
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,840
then Mike is talking to his wife as they walk

779
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,760
along the beach, and mid sentence, he takes off running

780
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,239
down the beach. What the heck?

781
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: What was that? D I wrote a note here that

782
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,800
and I'm reading it. It says, uh, Michael's run before

783
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,519
the funeral question mark. All I can say is we

784
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,840
all deal with grief in our own ways. Some of

785
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,920
us cry, some of us shout, some of us run

786
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,519
run the beach like Rocky Balboa or or kind of

787
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:33,559
McLoud and Highlander.

788
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,039
Speaker 2: And then after telling her son that she doesn't want

789
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:41,239
him anywhere near the water anymore. The next scene, they're

790
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,719
on the ferry and ugly crying on the ferry.

791
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, not a good cry for her.

792
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 4: Now, then, what I want to talk about. I think

793
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,719
we're kind of there is, you know, Hogy taking them

794
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,840
on the airplane and then dive bombing the rich residence

795
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,840
of the Bahamas and scaring.

796
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: The crap out of people who have.

797
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 4: PTSD as it is, right right, Yeah, hey, let's just

798
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,000
havething really fun.

799
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about my gambling problem.

800
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,159
Speaker 5: Hey.

801
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,039
Speaker 4: By the way, Hogy's profession clearly is drug smuggler.

802
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,039
Speaker 3: Yes, with that, Yeah, I don't think he's smuggling drugs.

803
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:20,800
I think he's smuggling drug money because he does tell

804
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Michael when Michael's like what do you what do you

805
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:26,400
do Hogy, He's like laundry. Yeah, So I see him

806
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,280
more like a Glen Fry smugglers lose on device. Nice,

807
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,480
that's that's you know, This is Glenn Fry's dad, is

808
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,159
what we're what we're saying, or his older brother.

809
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 4: If you will be cool for twenty hours and I'll

810
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,039
pay you twenty grand, yes, we'll cut there.

811
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: I love it.

812
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,039
Speaker 5: I have a question about Jake. When did he see

813
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,360
the original Jaws, because he apparently knows the Jaws theme

814
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,400
when he's down to Michael Blue, Oh he must have

815
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,800
saw the first Jaws. No, no, he didn't.

816
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to defend that one. Okay, so if you listen,

817
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:10,679
you know he's not going dud dud, He's going dun

818
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,039
blum blum. I can test that he's he's a Friday

819
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,039
thirteenth fan and he's just doing the opening. Uh you know,

820
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,199
bit Harry Manfredini's Friday thirteenth score dent d d d

821
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,599
d d dent du Yeah, oh my god, he knock

822
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:28,199
it off. Jake should know that. Jay, you know that

823
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,119
Michael's not a fan of Friday thirteenth. And I'm gonna

824
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:30,599
leave it at that.

825
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 5: Jake's kind of a kind of a jerk to really

826
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,760
make Michael do It's like, dude, your brother just got

827
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,840
eaten by a shark. Your family has a past history

828
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,599
with sharks. But I'm gonna make you google help me

829
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:47,840
look for one. Come on, I mean, come on, I

830
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480
mean he has a small thing. Oh sorry about your brother, man.

831
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: You're right, he is a jerk. If if I'll just

832
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,559
I'll point this out because I loved your your Jamaican

833
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,119
accent there. But that's one of the moments where Mario

834
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,440
slips into regular angler.

835
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:00,199
Speaker 5: Yeah that's right.

836
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: You know, that's one big Fischman and they goes, hey,

837
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,199
I'm sorry about your brother man.

838
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 5: Well, well, cracks me up about this shark is not

839
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,119
only does it have on revenge scenario type of situation

840
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,760
working on, but apparently has vocal cords too. It can scream,

841
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:19,800
you know, when her.

842
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:29,599
Speaker 2: Even if sharks had vocal cords, they don't have lungs, yeah, cords.

843
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,679
Speaker 4: And even if they did have vocal cords and lungs,

844
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,960
they wouldn't scream out a sound effect from a Tom

845
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,920
and Jerry cartoon?

846
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: What's the cartoon?

847
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 3: Tom and Jerry?

848
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,559
Speaker 2: So Tom Jerry? What makes that noise?

849
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: In Tom and Jerry, Jerry has a little mouse friend

850
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,320
and Tom wax his butt with a fly swatter and

851
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,079
he gets red ass from it, and Jerry goes like berserk,

852
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,280
and he's like and he gives that big giant roar

853
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,280
and he goes he pulls Tom through a not hoole

854
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,960
and beats scrap out of it.

855
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that the impossible shark roar is

856
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,679
not even a lion's roar. It's a cartoon mouse's rule.

857
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: It's Jerry Mouse's roar from a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

858
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: Did you guys know that? No? No, no, I didn't

859
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,800
know it. But it makes perfect sense.

860
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: Oh indeed, yes, absolutely wow.

861
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,039
Speaker 2: We touched on it a bit ago, but I just did.

862
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,320
I just did the math here, so just so that

863
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,920
you know, top speed for a shark is about thirty

864
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,159
one miles per hour. So round Christmas time, if that

865
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,519
shark was in Martha's vineyard, if it left right after

866
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,320
it bit the arm off the other guy, before the

867
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,320
people even flew away, it would have gotten to the Bahamas,

868
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,679
oh sometime around Saint Patrick's Day.

869
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 5: Okay. And I know you guys talked about like the

870
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,119
personal stuff in there, but I think some of the stuff,

871
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,800
like Carla getting mad at Michael for like not taking

872
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,880
out the garbage and your whole thing with her sculpture

873
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,599
and stuff, I was just bored. I was just bored

874
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:05,480
with their whole kind of you know, I want to

875
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,280
make love to an angry welder, and just I thought

876
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,599
it was I thought it was filler that I didn't

877
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,280
care about Ellen and HOGI okay.

878
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: Right, because they're different types of movies. A character driven,

879
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,960
relationship driven movie is not what you want to go

880
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,800
see when you pick Jaws in the title, right, I

881
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,840
want to go see people chasing a shark and being

882
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,800
chased by a shark. That's it.

883
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,519
Speaker 3: You gotta take the good with the bad.

884
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,119
Speaker 4: She did sling shot the panties at him them. Yeah,

885
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,880
she uses sex a lot. She refers to it during Christmas,

886
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,039
she refers to it at New Year's Eve. She does

887
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,599
it in the bedroom when he's all, you know, like

888
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:48,599
in his head and stuff.

889
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:50,119
Speaker 5: And then she does it at the welding thing.

890
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,679
Speaker 3: Let me say it again, Lance guest with a beard.

891
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: That's all it takes.

892
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: Okay, you brought something up just about you know, he's

893
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:05,760
upset about he's seen the shark and he's having a dream.

894
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Before that, we have Ellen Brody having the dream where

895
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,840
she's swimming. Right, They've arrived at in Nassau and she's

896
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,400
swimming and she gets tacked by a shark and all

897
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,559
of a sudden it's a dream. And can I just say,

898
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,559
don't do that. I think they thought it would work

899
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,480
because of aliens. Again that you know that that brief

900
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,519
dream sequence that Ripley had where the alien seems to

901
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,880
be coming out of her. That one was allowable, this one,

902
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:35,039
these two not.

903
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 4: And you know what we failed to talk about that,

904
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,679
really we should have been. Our starting point is the

905
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,880
script meeting where somebody stood up and said, how about

906
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,440
a shark targeting the Brody family for revenge and he

907
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:56,000
has like a psychic connection with them. Yeah, somebody should

908
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,559
have fired that. Dude right then said dude, who get

909
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:00,159
out of here?

910
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're firing here.

911
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,159
Speaker 5: But this is the this is the premise that puts

912
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,000
in Jeff's opinion, Jaw's four over Jaws three.

913
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: Look talking about things that that that don't work or

914
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,480
that they got wrong. Yeah, I've got Ellen's shark esp

915
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,880
written down. Here's the thing, though, if you if you

916
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,719
want to throw the blame at someone, I think you

917
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,360
have to throw it at sergeant. Because as d was

918
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,400
pointing out like the behind the scenes on this and

919
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000
talking how we get this movie to begin with, he says,

920
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,159
I don't know if I could do this, And they

921
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,760
said no, no, no, we're gonna do something different to

922
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,800
see what you can do. You're gonna you're gonna produce

923
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,679
it you're gonna direct it, and he there's a quote

924
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,320
I can't remember where I saw, but here's a quote

925
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,440
where he talks about how he thought maybe bringing a

926
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,119
little bit of magic, which I think that's the wrong word,

927
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,159
but he said he uses the word magic, and he says,

928
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,760
let's put a little magic into this story and really

929
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,280
give the audience something they haven't seen before. So that's

930
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,920
where you get this whole supernatural The sharks after the family,

931
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,360
and you know Ellen, since when a Brody's in danger,

932
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,679
you know, she's she's at the Junkanoo festival with Hogi

933
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,559
and then Michael gets attacked and she stops like, oh

934
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,920
my god, wait, something's wrong, like right right, mother's instinct.

935
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,960
So I can't even fault Lorraine Gary for the role

936
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,320
that she had to play. I think she does a

937
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,719
great job with this, But that's not on her that

938
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,280
she has to have, like, you know, esp and the

939
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,039
shark has to have some kind of psychic connection with her.

940
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,280
That's that's on that's on the makers of the film.

941
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,079
Speaker 4: So the novelization, the original script had a little bit

942
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:35,199
of voodoo curse into it, right, Oh wow. So they

943
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,519
ran into each other at that festival, in the Bahamas

944
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:41,159
and they actually, you know, they bump into what's his

945
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,800
name from Live and Let Die and he drops a

946
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:44,480
cur codo.

947
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's a vengeful witch doctor. That's the early

948
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,159
draft and the novelization. The shark is controlled by a

949
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,960
vengeful witch doctor. I don't know how it makes him

950
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,719
swim past her, but yeah, that's what it is.

951
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: Okay.

952
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: I can buy that a heck of a lot more

953
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,599
than I can SeaWorld's.

954
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 5: Really you guess by that more than just a coincidence

955
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,239
at a theme park.

956
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,519
Speaker 2: Here's the god, here's the biggest problem. I mean, here's

957
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:20,800
the biggest problem here. How can the shark have revenge

958
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,800
if the shark in the past two to three movies

959
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,920
has been killed, that doesn't I mean, there's no that's

960
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,639
nothing left alive to have revenge. I told Jason I

961
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,480
was because he was like, bring that up. I'm like, well,

962
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:35,719
isn't it supposed to be like the mother of the

963
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,599
other sharks or something. He's like, no, that's not in there.

964
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,360
And I realized I made that up in my head

965
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,440
to try to give it some sort of rink, but

966
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,920
there is none. There is no explanation. She says. He

967
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:52,639
was trying to get Sean. He came down here for us.

968
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,679
That's psychotic, that is crazy. That doesn't make any sense

969
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,159
because the sharks are dead. They can't come get you.

970
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: They're dead.

971
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,039
Speaker 5: I think the thing with this film and many, many,

972
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,440
many films of the eighties is you really only needed

973
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:11,679
a title in the movie for people to go see it. Right,

974
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,599
the Thirteenth Nightmare and Elm Street Superman, Jaws, you really

975
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:21,079
only needed that. You can kind of get ridiculous because

976
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:26,199
they knew their actual target audience were us at ten

977
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,960
twelve years old. Like you said, the Cannon Group, make

978
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,039
a poster, put the title on the thing, and that's

979
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:32,719
really all they needed.

980
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: I think I have an answer to the Shark. You

981
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,119
know how it keeps coming back? Flashback to the hit

982
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,239
your episode that Jason and I did. We talked about

983
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,000
this phenomenon called the Mandela effect, where you have a

984
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,000
false memory that, for reasons that you don't understand, is

985
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,239
just planted in your brain and you know it happened

986
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,960
for real. I seem to remember the whole idea from

987
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,480
the Peter Benchley's novel Jaws were at the end after

988
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,760
the shark explodes, you kind of fade down the depths

989
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,239
of the ocean, and that's where you see a bunch

990
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,039
of baby sharks, and that's where the idea is, like

991
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,599
they just killed the mother. Maybe I'm remembering that it's

992
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,320
a false memory, but I think that explains how you

993
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,599
get Jaws two and Jael's three, how the shark keeps

994
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:14,119
coming back.

995
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: I can definitely say a movie that actually surpassed the novel.

996
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,599
I did read the novel years ago, and it was

997
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,519
it was kind of depressing the original Jaws. Yeah, the

998
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:30,760
original Jaws novel is the characters are very unlikable.

999
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: Well Hooper sleeps with freaking Ellen.

1000
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was just very likable

1001
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:36,760
at all.

1002
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,599
Speaker 2: It was just like your Jeff said about Part three,

1003
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,199
is that you wanted the shark to eat them. You're like,

1004
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,280
people are horrible, You're rooting for the shark. Jumping back

1005
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,719
into the bad of the movie, when when Jake is

1006
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,199
there and he figures out that there's now a great

1007
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:55,239
white shark in the Bahamas, which never happens his words,

1008
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,119
never happens, and that they've got to study it. He

1009
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,400
develops this thing that's going to track its heartbeat, right,

1010
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,480
I mean, we've already got music that makes the heartbeat sound,

1011
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:06,840
but okay, we'll put a little heartbeat tracker on there.

1012
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,039
It kind of takes the place of the yellow floaters

1013
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,400
that they had from Jaws one. Right, But I just want

1014
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,159
to talk about the scene where they're going to implant

1015
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,239
that thing into the side of the shark. They have

1016
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,159
a gun like Shark one like Jaws one. Right, they're

1017
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,960
just gonna they're gonna harpoon it. No, they lead him

1018
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,599
out on a precarious rope. Yeah right, and he's got it.

1019
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,679
He's going to hand spirit into the side of the shark.

1020
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,440
No guns, no distance. We're gonna get up close and

1021
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,800
personal and just ram it in there. But they've got

1022
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,880
to lure the shark in, right, So how do they

1023
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,679
lure the shark in? They dangle meet over the water,

1024
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,440
not in the water, over the water, and it's only

1025
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,519
once they see the shark already plowing through the water

1026
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:58,280
towards them because it works. Why, I don't know, but

1027
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,679
it works, and the shark's coming from it's at that

1028
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,920
point that then they go ahead and decided to lower

1029
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,800
the meat in and start humming along. And still even

1030
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,599
though it's got the meat, it jumps up out of

1031
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,920
the water to pose itself out just in time for

1032
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,480
Jake to stab him in the side. Absurdity upon absurdity.

1033
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:19,639
Speaker 5: Yes, and when he did it, I just like, you

1034
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:26,800
get that little needle through his skin. Yeah, here's the harpoon,

1035
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:27,760
for God's sake.

1036
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 4: Speaking of absurdities, What in the bleep is Ellen's plan

1037
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,400
when she hijacks the boat to go take on the

1038
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,159
fish out in the middle of the ocean.

1039
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the plan.

1040
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 5: I think to kill her. I think to kill herself.

1041
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,599
Speaker 2: To appease She's the sacrificial sacrificial lamb?

1042
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that the idea?

1043
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: She didn't explain it. He even says, what were you thinking?

1044
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,639
And she's like, yeah, yeah, this is crazy.

1045
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: Why did you do this? She's like, it was the

1046
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,159
only thing I could do.

1047
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:01,519
Speaker 2: The exact opposite of Ellen, right, I mean, if you're

1048
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,639
gonna pick a movie that you're gonna cheat off of

1049
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,800
for the next summer season, do it right. Don't make

1050
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,679
her a crazy lady who goes out with no plan

1051
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,079
whatsoever by herself. Yeah.

1052
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and then what's Hogy's plan. I'm going to

1053
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,920
crash the plane into the water. Yeah, well, all together,

1054
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,119
and it was ballsy, but it was also stupid. They'll

1055
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,519
all be together, the big boat sink and the plane sink.

1056
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: So there was actually a decent jump scare in this movie.

1057
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,320
There were a whole lot there enough, there was one

1058
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,440
decent jump scaleel. It was the eel. The eel was

1059
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,000
the scariest part in the movie because they did it right.

1060
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,880
It was you didn't see it coming and then all

1061
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,320
of a sudden, there it was. It wasn't a we're

1062
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,880
gonna let you lead in and see the shark as

1063
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,320
it swims along. I mean, shark was swimming like a

1064
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,920
whale shark. It was like slow motion and we watched

1065
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,519
it all in bright sunlight. That's not scary. That's you

1066
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,119
showing me all of the imperfections of your mechanical shark.

1067
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,639
So I think the second scariest scene is the banana boat.

1068
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Yes, I agree.

1069
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,639
Speaker 4: Fia is in peril at that moment, right.

1070
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,599
Speaker 2: And and the and the shark coming up and getting her.

1071
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,920
I think that's the best shark attack scene in the movie.

1072
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:13,199
Speaker 5: I've ridden a banana boat once, and that movie was

1073
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,679
in my mind the entire time.

1074
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 3: I never have and I never will because of this movie.

1075
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,519
Speaker 6: It was close to the shore though, so it was

1076
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,719
I was okay, hey, by the way, I sent you

1077
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,559
a picture last night. Ellen gets mad at thea her

1078
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:30,480
granddaughter for swinging over the water. Yes, get away from

1079
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,280
there and cut that out. She's still dealing with her,

1080
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,159
you know, the Lost person. I took a picture of

1081
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:36,559
the video from that movie.

1082
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: That water is what eight inches deep.

1083
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: It's dangerous because you're gonna break your neck, You're.

1084
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,519
Speaker 3: Gonna hit the rocks.

1085
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 5: S Yeah, there's a couple scenes at the end where

1086
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,880
I don't know if the water looks like they're in

1087
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,320
very shallow water. Yeah, Like I'm like, wait a minute,

1088
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,920
the water's kind of green right there that you can

1089
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,639
really see the algae. It was like, I think they're

1090
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,159
kind of close to the shore. Hey, back on the

1091
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,320
back on the defensive, low tide. Man draw drawn shot

1092
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,559
of water, going to draw him in gonna I'm reaching.

1093
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,639
Speaker 3: At this point, He's like this, this is not going

1094
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:11,800
to hold up in court Johnson.

1095
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,679
Speaker 2: So so we have the the esp premonition. She sees

1096
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:24,719
banana boat happening, and her solution is to steal Neptune's Folly.

1097
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,599
That's the name of the ship that's right. Steel Neptune's

1098
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,199
folly go out by herself to try to track down

1099
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,800
the shark with no other plan than that.

1100
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,199
Speaker 3: No tools, no way of no no nothing.

1101
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: So then he shows back up, has to admit that

1102
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,280
he knew about the shark the whole time. The the

1103
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,719
big plan that he gets when he realizes his large

1104
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,440
boat has been taken is he's going to take what

1105
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:51,599
I can only describe as a flat bottom outboard motor.

1106
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,360
You're never going to get there, and if you do,

1107
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,519
the shark is going to eat it in one bite.

1108
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: You got a better idea, Yeah, let's fly the I'm

1109
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,079
going to try and be again to defend some behaviors here.

1110
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,840
But I'll ask you guys, because I'm I'm looking at

1111
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,599
three fathers here. He comes home, thea's in shock, you know,

1112
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,280
shark attack, and he's like, ah, we should have known,

1113
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,920
and the astor reveal, yeah, we knew about this. You

1114
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,480
guys are dad's Is this one of those situations where

1115
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,400
you're not lying to your wife, You're just trying to

1116
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,320
keep the family from freaking out? Or do you do

1117
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,840
you disclose this immediately? Like, hey, I got attacked by

1118
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,920
a shark today at work, and you should know, like,

1119
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,239
what's the what's the call there?

1120
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 7: Oh?

1121
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: I thought you meant do you lie at that point?

1122
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,360
Whenever that whenever your daughter's been attacked by the shark

1123
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,599
and your wife is there consoling her. If I had lied,

1124
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:43,880
if I had not mentioned the shark before, I would

1125
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,199
have been like, there was a shark? What?

1126
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 3: Okay?

1127
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 5: I had no idea. He's not He's not lying this

1128
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,119
type of thing. I wonder if Jake has any stuff on.

1129
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: The boat, we'll go find out, because he doesn't reveal

1130
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,440
it immediately to his mom when they when they make

1131
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,840
the daring plane crash and swim to the Neptune's folly,

1132
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,840
He's more like, what are you doing? What were you thinking?

1133
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:07,960
It's ludicrous?

1134
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 5: And then you have that overacting by Karla.

1135
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,159
Speaker 3: I would say this, you know, as far as her

1136
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:20,159
motivation for taking the boat out there, at this point

1137
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:22,519
in the movie, she has got into her head that

1138
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:26,679
this shark has killed her husband, her son, and it

1139
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,400
just attacked her granddaughter.

1140
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: He wonder of a heart attack.

1141
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: He died from fear of fear. So I'm wondering if

1142
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,920
her motivation stems from maybe she thinks if I just

1143
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:43,039
give the shark. What at once, if I just sacrifice myself,

1144
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,719
it'll leave my family alone. Maybe is that her motivation?

1145
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 4: Possibly if she would have said that, like I'm good

1146
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,440
with it, just make that pronouncement, you know, yeah, this

1147
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,559
is where I'm going, this is what I'm doing instead

1148
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,360
of like just take the boat and just ride out there.

1149
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she has that not as good as Ripley

1150
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:00,599
line where she's like get me.

1151
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: That would have that would have put her in kind

1152
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,880
of that tougher category, like Ellen Ripley going out to

1153
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,639
be the arcrificial lamb. I told you, it's just real

1154
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,199
hard to buy that when she's got shoulder.

1155
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,039
Speaker 5: Pads and that hair cut.

1156
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she takes off her I thought the jacket.

1157
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,119
I was like, oh man, that's jacket's got some big

1158
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:22,559
shoulder play. No, it's her shirt.

1159
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: That's the shirt.

1160
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:25,599
Speaker 5: She took that and she takes off it.

1161
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: Was like where those shoulder pads are sewn in.

1162
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:32,039
Speaker 3: She's right at home with Hawking Animal from the Road Warriors,

1163
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,639
like you know, she's just missing the spikes. Hey, one

1164
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,920
quick adjustment to that scene.

1165
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: If she would have grabbed like a massive harpoon gun

1166
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:44,280
or like stole it from Jake's warehouse or something like that.

1167
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:46,599
Speaker 3: A giant Wiley coyote, T and T box.

1168
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: I mean, just something showing she had a plan would

1169
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,400
have been better than what we got in that scene.

1170
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,679
Speaker 5: I almost feel I'll have to look at the cover

1171
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,880
art again. I feel that there was a cover art

1172
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,039
had a harpoon.

1173
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,599
Speaker 4: She's got it, like a yeah she.

1174
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:05,079
Speaker 3: Does right spear thing.

1175
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,159
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I thought so, like you said, one of

1176
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:12,159
those things we remember something that maybe didn't exist. But yeah,

1177
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,519
I could have sworn she's got Yes, I knew it.

1178
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:15,159
I knew it.

1179
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:17,079
Speaker 3: Where's that scene?

1180
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been a movie worth watching.

1181
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,039
Speaker 4: That shark is less out of the water than what happens.

1182
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: In the movie. Yeah, oh my gosh, I didn't even

1183
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,400
realize that the shark it's the same image, listeners, Dear, listeners,

1184
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,039
it is the same nose up image that is in

1185
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,880
the original Jaws poster, except that the shark is out

1186
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,519
of the water. Because in this movie the shark is

1187
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:42,119
out of the water.

1188
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,199
Speaker 5: Maybe that should have been the tagline instead of it's personal.

1189
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,760
It should have been Jaws of revenge. Fish out of

1190
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:48,119
the water.

1191
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: It Jaws the revenge.

1192
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 4: It's airborne yes, and air jaws.

1193
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,599
Speaker 2: What's interesting if you guys have seen Planet Earth, like

1194
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:03,559
my this was my son and I favorite part of

1195
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:06,960
Planet Earth is where they have the great white sharks

1196
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,639
jump out of the water and they will they total

1197
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:13,760
like they toe a little seal behind them, and those

1198
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,079
guys will blast full body out of the water and

1199
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,000
it looks incredible. It's not the shark being out of

1200
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:24,280
the water that's the weirdness about it. It's this random

1201
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,320
device that Jake shoves down the shark's throat just before

1202
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,840
he gets eaten, but not eating himself.

1203
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,239
Speaker 5: Depending on which version you see.

1204
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that nobody's ever heard of, but that we

1205
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,400
know will cause the shark to go crazy and jump

1206
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,000
out of the water.

1207
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And those are I mean those are more or less.

1208
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,440
Those are like d battery flashlights.

1209
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 5: He my girdn't crap a man.

1210
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 4: He yanked it out of his nineteen eighties boot make.

1211
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,079
Speaker 5: Says it's gonna work. Then it's gonna work.

1212
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,559
Speaker 2: So as there as the movie is climaxing as they

1213
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:02,159
are headed nose first towards the shark and the shark

1214
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,760
is roaring and Hogy is like turn about and she's

1215
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,079
slapping his hand away from her steering wheel as she

1216
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:14,559
steers towards it with Again, we have no idea what plan.

1217
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 4: By the way, the continuity in the scene is absolutely amazing.

1218
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,639
Speaker 2: She's had memories of things that she wasn't there for.

1219
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,800
She's had a memory of Roy Scheider shooting the shark.

1220
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:31,760
She wasn't there. She's having memories of Sean getting eaten

1221
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,079
by the shark. She wasn't there. She's having memories of

1222
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,559
the banana boat scene. I guess she was there, but

1223
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,280
she wasn't from the shark's perspective.

1224
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,119
Speaker 4: It's the Mandela effects again.

1225
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,039
Speaker 2: Oh and then when you have the attack. When you

1226
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,320
have the attack and all of this happening, another terrible

1227
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,000
direction is you get a reaction shot from all three

1228
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,239
other people on the boat. It's like Mike's reaction, duh

1229
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,639
Ellen's reaction, duh Hogy's reaction, dun duh. Then we're back

1230
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:03,320
to Jake and he's still getting to eat in. And

1231
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,119
then it's Mike's reaction, dun duh Ellen's reaction, dun du

1232
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,639
Hogy's reaction. I'm like, guys, do one at a time.

1233
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,840
Let's speed this up. It's called a jump cut. Let's

1234
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,159
make it, move it along. This is supposed to be action,

1235
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,079
not let's see what everybody thinks. Yeah, all right, a

1236
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:22,199
little a little excited there, apologist came down down. It's

1237
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:22,960
a little frustrated.

1238
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 3: It's it's a pacing issue. It does kind of They're like,

1239
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:26,920
come on.

1240
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:29,239
Speaker 4: It should have sped it up, just like they did

1241
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,760
the refrigerator scene.

1242
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,679
Speaker 5: Well, if if I'm ever to do some kind of

1243
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,440
art project where you know, the city or you know

1244
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:42,960
is going to dedicate this and use this as a

1245
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:46,840
landmark on a thing, my daughter is not gonna go

1246
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,239
banana boating while I'm getting my thing done. I'm like, no,

1247
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,920
you're gonna wait until I'm done with this thing. Your

1248
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,920
father didn't show up, Jake didn't show up. You're gonna

1249
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,519
stay here. You watch me accept this award for this.

1250
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 3: It's good, you know.

1251
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,239
Speaker 5: I'm just like, can I go banana button?

1252
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 4: No?

1253
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,679
Speaker 5: We're in the middle of something right this. Yeah, can

1254
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:13,639
we even know we're at the beach. This isn't a

1255
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,360
day at the beach. Everyone's dressed up and everything.

1256
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:17,559
Speaker 2: Oh we go banana bu.

1257
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 4: Wherever?

1258
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,159
Speaker 3: Can Can I just say something about, uh, this terrific

1259
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,519
art piece? Tourist on the loose, Yes, because that's what

1260
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:28,599
it's called. This is this is something I don't like,

1261
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:31,480
and I get it. Sometimes you have to do a

1262
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,360
little bit exposition for the audience, but but don't treat

1263
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,119
us like we're idiots. So it is clearly a sculpture

1264
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:42,320
of a great white shark. Clearly it is not tourists

1265
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,079
on the loose. The last time I was insulted like

1266
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,840
this was was Bob Kilmer looking at clearly at a

1267
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,559
portrait of a bat and going, what do you have?

1268
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,119
What's your thing with bats? And Chase Murden and going, uh,

1269
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:55,320
that's a rorshack. What question is what do you have

1270
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,159
with bats? It's that's that's a bat. Okay, this is

1271
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:00,599
a shark. Don't call it tourists on loose. It's clearly

1272
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:01,079
a shark.

1273
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:05,199
Speaker 5: I think it looks like female genitalia. It just looks

1274
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,800
like anatomy. I'm just like, I was like, she just

1275
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,280
I was like, I think this is what are you

1276
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,400
talking about? That sculpture is just hideous.

1277
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,599
Speaker 2: People work is strongly vaginal.

1278
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just like, what is this.

1279
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:32,159
Speaker 2: To say that some people vagina?

1280
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: I didn't. I'll watch it listen. I love this, but

1281
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,360
like I said, I love the movie. I'll watch it

1282
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,159
plenty more times. I'll be looking for that take on

1283
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:43,440
the sculpture next time I watch it.

1284
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,159
Speaker 5: Now, not that I would ever buy this film, but

1285
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:52,079
if I were to buy this film, which version am

1286
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:53,320
I going to get?

1287
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: Then that's the thing you will get, the exploding shark version.

1288
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,280
You have to do YouTube the theatrical version to get it.

1289
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,760
They they believed that they could fix all of their

1290
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,239
problems on the DVD by changing the ending having the

1291
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:10,880
shark explode, which, of course they didn't actually have the

1292
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,920
shark explode. They just cut in scenes from the original

1293
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,079
Jaws with the exploding shark and having that tank down

1294
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:20,679
to the bottom. And they thought they that they could

1295
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:25,880
fix the other problem by bringing Jake back, Yeah, unharmed.

1296
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 3: The mega terrific happy ending. Yeah yeah, that's right. Yeah,

1297
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:30,960
And I was happy to see Jake Beck.

1298
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 4: But I'm still like, huh, that is ludicrous, man, he

1299
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:36,039
was in the job.

1300
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: It's not him.

1301
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,119
Speaker 3: It was very obviously not him. It was just double Well.

1302
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,559
If you watch it, here's I don't even have to say.

1303
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,599
Speaker 2: If you watch carefully, if you are myopic, you can

1304
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:50,400
tell that that is not people's in that shark's mouth.

1305
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,199
Speaker 3: That is very true. Look, you know, if you want

1306
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,800
to recut it, that's fine, but do us the service

1307
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,719
at least of seeing him fall in the water and

1308
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,599
not watching him go for the thrill ride underwater where

1309
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:07,599
blood is hemorrhaging from the fox's mouth, him in it,

1310
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:12,079
his lifeless body, right, and Jaws, you know, Quin cranks

1311
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,039
up the portable shower of the monkey cage, you know,

1312
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:18,039
anti shark cage, and we see it's been torn apart.

1313
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:20,360
If it's your first time, you assume Hooper is dead,

1314
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:27,519
so it's refreshing exactly exactly. Let Jake go underwater, and

1315
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:30,400
it's like, we just let's just assume. Okay, Yeah, that's fine.

1316
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,320
I would have been okay with that. But there's no

1317
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,239
you know, Jason, you sent that photo earlier this week.

1318
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:40,000
There's no way he's surviving that. And even if even

1319
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,760
if he's conscious in the water, he's dying within minutes

1320
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,519
once they pull him all because he's bleeding out. He

1321
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,159
just is.

1322
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, if they're going to re edit it anyway,

1323
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,800
just remove the scenes where it's so obvious that he

1324
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,159
would be dead, right, that's all you gotta do. But

1325
01:05:56,239 --> 01:06:00,039
what happened was they put him coming back in and

1326
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:03,320
somebody I know that, somebody said, look, there's no way

1327
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,800
he could survive this. We got to take these scenes out.

1328
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,800
And somebody with higher power said no, no, no, no, those

1329
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,360
are great effects. We don't want to lose that.

1330
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1331
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:14,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, genies only slightly less ridiculous than that would be

1332
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:15,840
if Sean popped up and be.

1333
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:20,719
Speaker 6: Like, hey, guys, have no arm.

1334
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: Arm it's feeling much better.

1335
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,039
Speaker 2: Okay. So that brings us brings me to the question

1336
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,519
that I posed on our last episode, which is, do

1337
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,119
you think that you could re edit this movie and

1338
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:35,119
make it a good movie or someone with you know

1339
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,239
editing shops good?

1340
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yes, yes, because we know there is footage that

1341
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:41,639
we could use.

1342
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,239
Speaker 4: Yes, well, the parts in between the effects shots are good. Yeah,

1343
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,840
unlike Superman four.

1344
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: Right, but you have to but you still have story

1345
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,480
fixing that you have to do. It is no matter

1346
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,480
no matter what you do, you cannot say that the

1347
01:06:56,519 --> 01:07:02,280
shark swims from Martha's vineyard, Emity Island, whatever, down to

1348
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,239
the Bahamas. That's not reasonable, that's not possible. So you

1349
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,440
have to you have to make some adjustment says to

1350
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,079
where things occur. So that's a pretty easy fix. Mike

1351
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:14,559
is down in the Bahamas right right when he gets

1352
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:16,639
attacked by a shark, and it's not the same shark.

1353
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,159
Let's just say that. Let's just change it from a

1354
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:22,159
great white into I don't know, a bull shark, the

1355
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,639
most dangerous shark as far as human attacks go. Anyway,

1356
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:27,800
change the shark. What's wrong with that? Nothing?

1357
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that.

1358
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:33,079
Speaker 2: But I told Jason, I thought that this story, if

1359
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,119
you took the shark parts out, which are the absolute

1360
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:38,840
worst parts, if you took it out, it could be

1361
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:43,519
very interesting as a is this woman crazy or is

1362
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,960
she right? I think that you could have had a

1363
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,599
great storyline where she thinks that the shark has followed

1364
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:53,320
them and they're like trying to They're like, that's not reasonable.

1365
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,559
It would take two months for the shark to swim here.

1366
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,960
Sharks don't take things personally and do all of that.

1367
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:01,679
But then also have the storyline of, well, but there

1368
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,400
is actually a shark out there that's costing it. It

1369
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:05,519
just it's not the same.

1370
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:06,559
Speaker 5: It's not the same one.

1371
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 4: Hey, before we do our final judgment, I have to

1372
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,599
ask you, yes something, how many of you guys played

1373
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:15,239
the Jaws game?

1374
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 3: This was one of my favorite games on the Nintendo

1375
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:23,479
Entertainment System. It took me several months to beat it

1376
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,079
because if you have played it, then you know you're,

1377
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,279
you know, moving the boat around. Jaws pops up. It

1378
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,720
immediately drops you into the ocean and you got to

1379
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,239
fight crabs and you know other fish, but you keep

1380
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,800
wounding Jaws with your harpoon gun and then once Jaws

1381
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,760
is hurt enough, then you have to try and stab

1382
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,479
it with the boat like like Ellen does. And it's

1383
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,479
all a matter of perfect timing. It's like it's like

1384
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,159
beating Tyson and Mike Tyson's punch out. It all comes

1385
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:53,239
down to his split second timing. It took me three

1386
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,399
months to beat that game. But the day I stabbed

1387
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,399
the shark and it got it, I it was. It

1388
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,319
was a great day in the Johnson Household.

1389
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:03,319
Speaker 4: Game Final judgment. We are down now to our final judgment.

1390
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 7: Hey Dan, Jason John Reid from the thirty something movie

1391
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,319
podcast and podcast Full of Kryptonite, which I joyfully host

1392
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:15,039
with you guys. Super excited that you asked me to

1393
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,640
pop in for a surely showcase for your showdown between

1394
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,479
Jaws The Revenge and Superman four so pitting these two

1395
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,800
movies against each other is really like taking a couple

1396
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,000
of rock and sock them robots that are both half broken.

1397
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:31,399
The springs are not really working so well anymore, the

1398
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,800
punches don't seem to land, and we're going to make

1399
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,079
them duke it out until one of them dies. So

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I'm looking first at Jaws the Revenge, which admittedly I

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have not seen quite as much as Superman Four. Being

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a huge Superman fan, I have watched Superman four an

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,159
outrageous number of times. But Jaws the Revenge, how far

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the Mighty had fallen. When I think of Jaws the Revenge,

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I think of a few different things. I think of

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some kind of weird mental telepathy that you can have

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01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,079
with sharks to know when they are about to strike

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a member of your family. I think of the fact

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that we have a shark explode when no explosive element

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has really been introduced. How we have Michael Kine. There's

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01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,640
another thing. You're pitting Michael Caine against Christopher Reeve, which

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not since the likes of Death Trap or Noises Off,

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01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,479
have we have such a Michael Kane Christopher Reeve one

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two punch here Unfortunately not in the same movie this

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01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,520
time around. When I think of Jaws the Revenge, I

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01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,479
think of the idea of a shark getting revenge on

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the family of the person that killed it and the

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rest of its family, and I don't know where to

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01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,840
go with that. It makes me think of what a

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,000
wise man once said, ah Dan Jason, my old friends,

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01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:41,159
the great White proverb that tells us revenge is a

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01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:44,920
dish that is best served cold. It is very cold

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,520
in the ocean, and I am very cold on Jaws

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01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,960
the Revenge. So Superman four has a very special place

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:52,520
in my heart.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,520
Speaker 7: It's probably the part of my heart that has the

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01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,920
most cholesterol built up in it. But Superman four, I

1429
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,840
remember loving it as a kid. As I have grown

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01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,840
up and then watched it again, I recognize it for

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01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,520
the dumpster fire that it is. And it's kind of

1432
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,439
funny to go back and watch it now and see

1433
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,159
when the Cannon Film Group got the rights to this,

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01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:12,880
took it over and just did not provide Christopher Reeve,

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,199
I think, is quoted in some of his own biographies

1436
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,920
as saying that the budget was yanked out from underneath them,

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01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,159
and they didn't have the money to be able to

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01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:21,680
do what they needed to do, which to me is

1439
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,239
a shame because this was kind of a passion project

1440
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,119
of his, like he wanted to talk about the idea

1441
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,319
of a nuclear disarmament, and it really comes across as

1442
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:33,520
an unfinished movie, and it probably actually was. It kind

1443
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,479
of seems to negate the whole Superman lois amnesia kiss,

1444
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,399
which he uses here just for kicks, just to have

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,520
somebody to talk to for a minute. And then there's

1446
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,439
kind of a scene where she's like, now I remember everything.

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01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:47,600
So does the kiss not work? I don't know, I'm

1448
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,640
not sure. We also learned that you can re constitute

1449
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,760
the Great Wall of China with a point of your finger,

1450
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,079
superpower that has never been displayed before or since Nuclear Man.

1451
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:00,479
I love Nuclear Man as a villain. So I mean,

1452
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,840
is it a stupid movie, Yes, it's a stupid movie.

1453
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,680
Is it a poorly put together movie? Yes, it's a

1454
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,520
poorly put together movie. But knowing that this is something

1455
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,920
that Christopher Reeve was passionate about, knowing that it had

1456
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:14,600
so much potential, I am between the two. I'm gonna

1457
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,279
have to go with Superman four because it is of

1458
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:21,000
the two, it is it is the most craptastic, and

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01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:22,520
that's gonna be my final thought.

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:23,199
Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 7: Thank you guys so much for letting me jump in

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,920
here on the Shirley show Case. Love your show, Love

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,239
what you guys are doing. Can't wait to hear what

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01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:31,840
is coming up next, and we'll be talking to you soon.

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Speaker 4: Brad, why don't you go first give us your final

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,479
judgment between Superman four The Quest for Piece Jaws the

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01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,239
Revenge two stinkers from nineteen eighty seven, Ready said dot.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm gonna do this because I'm such

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01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:49,880
a big Superman fan. Jaws four is more watchable. Both

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:55,079
of them are ridiculous, but I found myself cringing at

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01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:58,239
parts of Superman four from It's a cringing at parts

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01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,119
of Jaws as well. But it was also, I think

1473
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:03,920
right now, like as it was watching Shark Week, I

1474
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,399
watched Yawn. You know it's it's summer. Maybe the atmosphere

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01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:09,359
of the Bahamas made it a little bit more fun.

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01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,800
It felt summer movie esque. So Jaws The Revenge awesome,

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,239
even though I preferred Jaws three.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, you're up, Bud, all right? So final judgment,

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,159
Superman The Quest for Peace versus Jaws Revenge. To all

1480
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:25,920
you thinking Superman is the better film and my worst

1481
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,520
HOGI impression, impression, give it a kick in the offs,

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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,800
Jawls with a Revenge is by far the better film.

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,399
When you rack these two up, wow, it just is.

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It's not even close. And I am a I've been

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a I've been a diehard Superman fan since my mom

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,920
introduced me to the character when I was six years old.

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And I love Superman. I've loved all the iterations good

1488
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,880
and bad, but I cannot defend the Quest for Peace,

1489
01:13:54,319 --> 01:13:56,640
especially when it's going up against the Revenge.

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Speaker 2: Y're up, Okay, yes, this is the easy one for me,

1491
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:02,720
and it's the same as you guys. Jaws The Revenge

1492
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,520
is a much more watchable movie than Superman Question Piece.

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01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:10,520
And I think about the fact that we are all

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01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:15,479
diehard Superman fans, and I think that is probably why

1495
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,279
Superman Question Piece is so offensive to us. It's like,

1496
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,640
if you hear someone singing extremely off key but singing

1497
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,359
your favorite song, You're like, you're ruining it. You are

1498
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,880
ruining it, and then that's the last time you get

1499
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:34,039
to hear that song. Yeah, well said, that makes it murderous.

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But even if I didn't have that, even if I

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didn't have that strong connection, I mean, the fact is

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01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,960
is that Jaws the Revenge has some very watchable moments,

1503
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:46,840
very well acted, directed and put together moments. It's just

1504
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:53,319
overall very very poor. Yeah, yeah, so definitely picking Jaws

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01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,199
Revenge as the better of those two.

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01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 3: Okay, so I guess it's down to me.

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01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:00,239
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, I'm going to make this a four some

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,279
across the board. Jaws the Revenge is clearly the better

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01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:08,920
of these two movies. It's way more fun, it's way

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,119
better to look at. Superman four is like your parents

1511
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:17,399
getting divorced, Like everyone has hard feelings, everyone's sad, it

1512
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,119
didn't work out, and it just it's just a big

1513
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,760
dumpster far Jaws the Revenge is like having a fling

1514
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,800
on vacation. It didn't really work out, but you're you're

1515
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,039
having fun. You're on vacation. You know, you're you're having

1516
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:33,079
a good time or whatever, and it just didn't quite

1517
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:35,640
work out. And that's the way I feel about these

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01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:36,279
two movies.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

1520
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,279
Speaker 2: I will let you know that you can come sleep

1521
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:44,720
at my house. After Kathy listens to this house. Oh

1522
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,760
it's like having a fling, a flaying of.

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01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:55,199
Speaker 4: Just saying said you guys edit a lot, right, guys,

1524
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,479
Thank you so much for joining us. This has been

1525
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,439
a tremendous amount of fun. Again, listeners, go check these

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01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,800
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1528
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,079
over there. I look forward to your show every Tuesday morning.

1529
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:08,479
Thank you again for being with us.

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01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much fun. Thank you for having us.

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01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:11,640
We loved it.

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Speaker 3: You