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<v Speaker 1>This podcast contains adult content. Some of the themes or

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<v Speaker 1>topics may include information on murder, kidnapping, torture, dismemberment, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some demonic content with information on positions and paranormal activity.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast will also include explicit, horrible, and foul, socially unacceptable,

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<v Speaker 1>totally uninhibited adult themes language. So if you're easily offended,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're easily triggered, then I highly suggest you turn

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<v Speaker 1>this off now, and if not, just keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>parental discretion is advised. John Willis claims to have been

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<v Speaker 1>the only white person within Chinese organized crime, and that

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<v Speaker 1>claim is backed by FBI agent Scott O'Donnell, who stated

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<v Speaker 1>he has never seen a case just like Willis. John

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<v Speaker 1>Willis would become a crime boss for a sect of

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese mafia and ended up loyal to a group

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<v Speaker 1>of people way different from the Boston natives he grew

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<v Speaker 1>up with. From the mid nineteen eighties to the late nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>Willis's rank grew within one of Boston's larger mob groups,

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<v Speaker 1>starting as a loan collector and bodyguard before he became

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<v Speaker 1>the trafficker behind a multi million dollar oxycodone ring. They

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<v Speaker 1>called him back Guy whereas the FBI translated it, white Devil,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Justin and you're listening to mysterious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>Willis Junior was born on May eleventh, nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>His parents were Francine and John Senior. He grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a triple decker in Dorchester. Dorchester was a scrappy

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<v Speaker 1>Boston suburb, and it's famous for producing the legendary and

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<v Speaker 1>infamous gangster Whitey Bulger and later the Wahlberg brothers. Willis

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<v Speaker 1>fit right in with all the other neighborhood kids growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Willis, his father, John was a hard drinking

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<v Speaker 1>carpenter who collected money for the Irish mob When Willis

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<v Speaker 1>was about two or three, his dad broke the jaw

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<v Speaker 1>of another mobster, and after getting his life threatened for it,

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<v Speaker 1>he left the family and headed back to his home

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<v Speaker 1>state of North Carolina and just never came back. His mother, Francine,

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<v Speaker 1>she struggled to support the family by working in a

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<v Speaker 1>shoe store called Stride Right, and she would always tell him,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't be like your dad, and he promised her

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<v Speaker 1>that he wouldn't never be. John himself said, I just

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I didn't want to be like my father

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't want to be a drunk and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be abusive towards women. Although John's older

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<v Speaker 1>half brother, Richie, and his half sisters they all went

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<v Speaker 1>into some hardcore drug abuse, Willis himself he never drank

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<v Speaker 1>or did drugs, but he definitely had his dad's temper,

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<v Speaker 1>and Willis channeled all of this anger into hockey. He

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<v Speaker 1>was playing goalie six hours a night, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to capitalize on his size because he was a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger kid than the rest of him. And one day,

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<v Speaker 1>while in middle school, a kid stole his shoes and

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<v Speaker 1>Willis beat him with a chair and ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>sent to alternative school for kids with bad behavior. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Within the next year, his mother had her legs amputated

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<v Speaker 1>because of diabetes, and because of that, she couldn't keep

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<v Speaker 1>her job at the shoe store, so John ended up

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<v Speaker 1>skipping school to wheel her around the house, help her out,

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<v Speaker 1>bathe her pretty much anything she needed. Now. That next year,

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after he turned fifteen, while John was off with

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<v Speaker 1>his friends, his mother suddenly dies of a blockage to

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<v Speaker 1>her heart, and John absolutely broke down when he got

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<v Speaker 1>the news. Like she meant everything to him. She was

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<v Speaker 1>all he had left in the world, and now she

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<v Speaker 1>was gone. So then he really doesn't know what to

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<v Speaker 1>do with himself. He's kind of, you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to his half siblings, and after one of his

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<v Speaker 1>niece's friends kicked him in the groin, he spit at

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<v Speaker 1>her and his older half brother, Richie, who was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four at the time, he hit him and he knocked

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<v Speaker 1>him down the steps of their three decker home, and

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<v Speaker 1>Willis just yelled at him, I hope you die. And

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<v Speaker 1>two days later, Ritchie drops dead of a heart attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Richie died. The death did affect John Willis quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit traumatized him because he was young, he was vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>and he blamed himself for cursing him, you know, saying

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you die. And John Willis, looking back now

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that the heart attack was just his older brother

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<v Speaker 1>on a coke binge and he ended up just not

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<v Speaker 1>being able to take anymore. So after his brother dies,

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<v Speaker 1>the house is still in Richie's name, so John could

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<v Speaker 1>remain there, but he had no clue how to provide

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<v Speaker 1>for himself, and as far as like Social service Is knew,

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<v Speaker 1>he was being taken care of by his half sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were all living elsewhere, addicted to hardcore drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were just not around. And he did have

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<v Speaker 1>some other relatives around town, but they refused to take

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<v Speaker 1>him in. So now John Willis is roughly sixteen years

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<v Speaker 1>old and he's an orphan. And John said it was tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't gonna lie. You grow up. You become a

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<v Speaker 1>man in an hour. Because of his circumstances and his

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<v Speaker 1>already bad temper, he starts getting into more trouble. He's

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<v Speaker 1>just super angry all the time. John Willis was still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to go to school, you know. Afterward he came

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<v Speaker 1>home to an empty house and he's struggling to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the winter of nineteen eighty five, he had

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<v Speaker 1>no money, no heat, no one that even really cared

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<v Speaker 1>about him, and he slept under blankets in a chair

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<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen and he was warming himself up by

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<v Speaker 1>an open oven. Even though he was scared and alone,

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<v Speaker 1>he absolutely refused to take handouts from people. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want any help from anybody, and he made sure that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would fuck with him either. He threw himself into

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<v Speaker 1>weightlifting hardcore that was one of the only things that

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<v Speaker 1>he did. And he also started using some steroids. His

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<v Speaker 1>childhood friend Sean said, he went from a chubby kid

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<v Speaker 1>to an absolute monster. And he fit right in with

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<v Speaker 1>this boyhood crew around his neighborhood and with his size.

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<v Speaker 1>Another old friend said, he was a regular neighborhood kid.

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<v Speaker 1>We all used to run around in the streets getting

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<v Speaker 1>into trouble. Now John would eat some meals at friends' homes,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was too stubborn and proud to take that

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<v Speaker 1>many handouts. He would rather go hungry than beg And

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<v Speaker 1>at this point there's a lot of unforeseen circumstances and

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<v Speaker 1>events that happened. So when John Willis is sixteen, one

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<v Speaker 1>of his friends helped him make the most of his

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<v Speaker 1>size by getting him a job as a bouncer at

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<v Speaker 1>a club near Fenway Park, and he lied and said

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<v Speaker 1>he was eighteen so that he could work there. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He was already into steroids and bodybuilding at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was a big kid. He was breaking up

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<v Speaker 1>bar fi and it was actually a good way for

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<v Speaker 1>him to get his aggression out too. And his cousin

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah said, Johnny has a lot of rage. He's never

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with his mother's death, never dealt with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that his father left. So you know, this bar that

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<v Speaker 1>he got a job as a bouncer at just happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be where a lot of Asians would show up

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<v Speaker 1>and hang out. Sundays were always Asian knights at the bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and Willis was impressed by all the sharp dressed younger guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they had the spiky hair, they had these

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<v Speaker 1>big brick cell phones, they had all these super high girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>And his boss at the bar warned him, said, they're gangsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever happens, stay out of their business. But one night

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<v Speaker 1>Willis saw a guy who he says, looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Rod Stewart get maced by a big Korean guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So John punched the attacker, pulled the victim away, and

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<v Speaker 1>rushed him back to the bathroom and started flushing out

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<v Speaker 1>his eyes. And when John turned around, there were four

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<v Speaker 1>of this guy's friends staring him down like crazy. For

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<v Speaker 1>all they knew John was the one that was attacking

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<v Speaker 1>their buddy. But just as they were about to retaliate

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<v Speaker 1>against John, the man yelled at them in Chinese, and

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<v Speaker 1>then on his way out, the young gangster whose name

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<v Speaker 1>was Vipaying Joe. They called him John Joe for short.

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<v Speaker 1>He handed Willis a card and he said, here's my number.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever need anything, call me. A few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>John is down to his last seventy six cents to

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<v Speaker 1>his name. He had to spend what little money he

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<v Speaker 1>did make on food. So he goes walking through the

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<v Speaker 1>snow to the home of his half sister. But she

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<v Speaker 1>refused to answer the door and slipped a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>paper under the door, telling him to go away. And

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<v Speaker 1>John said, I didn't understand it at the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid. She probably getting high though. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>too broke to afford any kind of cab home, and

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<v Speaker 1>he walks to a phone booth and called the one

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<v Speaker 1>person he could think of who had a car, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was John Joe. So John Joe answers, says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>white boy. When Willis told him that he needed help,

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<v Speaker 1>John Joe didn't even hesitate. He says, Okay, where are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Five minutes later, two BMW's pulled up with seven Asian

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<v Speaker 1>guys in these fancy ass suits, nice haircuts. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them asks are you John Willis? He said, yeah, said okay,

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<v Speaker 1>come with us. So Willis checked for a familiar face

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<v Speaker 1>in the car, and he says, where's John Joe. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy says, don't worry, We're gonna go see him. And

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<v Speaker 1>at this point Willis has nothing left to lose, so

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<v Speaker 1>he got inside the car and they took him to

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<v Speaker 1>this big ass house in South Boston. There's so many

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<v Speaker 1>rooms in this house and they're just overflowed with they.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it was like an Asian gangster frat house

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<v Speaker 1>full of just young tough dudes and their girlfriends. And

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<v Speaker 1>Willis said, I could see all these guys with different tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy haircuts, guns, all kinds of shit. Willis later said,

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<v Speaker 1>I see all these guys with different tattoos, crazy haircuts, guns,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of shit, and I'm like, what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>am I doing? But John Joe sees them and welcomes

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<v Speaker 1>them right in the house. And the house is just

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<v Speaker 1>filled with Chinese people and that includes mothers, children, other

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the gang. And this gang at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was called Pingon, and this group controlled a large sector

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<v Speaker 1>of Boston's illegal gambling dens, massage parlors. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>from the nineteen seventies to the mid eightieses right, around

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<v Speaker 1>the time they met John Willis. So that night he

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<v Speaker 1>had dinner with them, and the next day they took

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<v Speaker 1>him shopping for clothes and started showing him the ropes

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<v Speaker 1>and essentially just welcomed him into their group. And it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds simple, but Willis couldn't find any crazy explanation for

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<v Speaker 1>being accepted into the gang except that he showed them

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<v Speaker 1>respect and they showed him respect in return. So over

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<v Speaker 1>time there's this bond that is formed. He was basically

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<v Speaker 1>trained up in the gang and initiated into gang life

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<v Speaker 1>in Boston. Willis was eventually sent to New York to

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<v Speaker 1>act as a bodyguard, loan collector, and bagman for a

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese gangster in the city. When he was in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>the gang used to go out to Chinese places and

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<v Speaker 1>try to pick up girls and there were mostly Asians there,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of his good friends that he was training

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<v Speaker 1>with in the gang told him he needed to learn

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese if he wanted to pick up women. So while

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<v Speaker 1>he's in New York, Willis began to learn Chinese, the

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<v Speaker 1>Cantonese and Toysonese dialects as a way to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>Asian women, and he eventually became fluent. Willis eventually also

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<v Speaker 1>learned Vietnamese and became fluent in that as well. His

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<v Speaker 1>language skills were crucial to his rise within the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>organized crime That was very important. As he moved along

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<v Speaker 1>with the gang, he had to deal with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of first generation Chinese that didn't really speak much English,

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<v Speaker 1>if any at all, and he learned these languages by

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention during group conversations as well as watching Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>movies and listening to Chinese music. He became really fluent,

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<v Speaker 1>soon enough the gang leaders in Boston Chinatown were taken

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<v Speaker 1>for bombs, the guy who took him safely into restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>public places, plus the guy who collected money from the

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chinatown gangs because he was the assistant to

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<v Speaker 1>gambling dens and some prostitution rings, but was not really

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<v Speaker 1>of marijuana, and then it became cocaine, and John's boss

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<v Speaker 1>of drifted away from strictly working for the Chinese gang,

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<v Speaker 1>but he still maintained his strong connection there. He started

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<v Speaker 1>in Cape cod in the Boston area, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a year long investigation that started in Chinatown with a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of other targets that Willis had got associated with,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to him ultimately getting busted here in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the late nineties, Willis was convicted and jailed

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<v Speaker 1>for extortion, and then in two thousand he received a

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<v Speaker 1>met some connections and organized an oxy cotton trafficking ring

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<v Speaker 1>from Florida to Massachusetts. And when he gets released from prison,

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<v Speaker 1>he became heavily involved in drug dealing and money laundering

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<v Speaker 1>against the wishes of his Chinese organized crime leaders, mainly

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<v Speaker 1>by me and probably a few others as well. In

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<v Speaker 1>less than two years, John Willis trafficked over two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty thousand pills up from Florida to the northeast

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<v Speaker 1>for profits of more than four million dollars. John Willis said, realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>he blew his cash on ocean front homes in South Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>sports cars, strip clubs, speed boats. He was at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in time a very dangerous and violent man. So

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<v Speaker 1>we fast forward a little bit to twenty ten. A

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<v Speaker 1>wire tapped phone call recorded Willis talking to a brothel

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<v Speaker 1>operator who wanted to avenge an injured employee. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>he was being filed and that the FBI was on

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<v Speaker 1>to him. He had five burner cell phones going at

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<v Speaker 1>once and was definitely working, you know, covertly or the

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<v Speaker 1>at one point in North Carolina, and they took about

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<v Speaker 1>eighty thousand dollars cash from him because he couldn't account

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<v Speaker 1>for it. You know, they pulled him over there like, hey, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>why the fuck do you have eighty thousand dollars cash

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<v Speaker 1>on you. He's just like, I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just basically kept his mouth shut. So of course they

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<v Speaker 1>surprised at that. So in twenty eleven, early one morning

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<v Speaker 1>in Dorchester, Massachusetts, John Willis at this point is a big,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine year old with close cropped gray hair, bright

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<v Speaker 1>blue eyes, and he had been away in Florida and

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<v Speaker 1>came back to celebrate his girlfriend's daughter's ninth birthday that weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>His Vietnamese a Ma American girlfriend on guy In suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that they bring my Linn to bed with them so

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<v Speaker 1>she could wake up and see his face first thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after putting her to bed, there was a pounding

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<v Speaker 1>downstairs at the front door. Willis told Guyan and her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter stay in the room, stay upstairs. I love you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, don't come out, shuts the door behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>He ran down the steps and he finds dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>armed cops with helmets and bulletproof vests. And the wild

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<v Speaker 1>thing is they never caught him with one pill. They

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<v Speaker 1>never found any drugs on him or in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>but they connected him to a different investigation in court.

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<v Speaker 1>At the sentencing hearing, Willis looked very much like an

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<v Speaker 1>effective enforcer. At this point. He's forty two years old.

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<v Speaker 1>He's baby faced, but he's just super muscular. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a tattoo on his left arm Chinese characters for strength

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<v Speaker 1>and righteousness. And he was upset that somebody turned on him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was upset that he got his girlfriend involved too.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing was is they got her for witness tampering,

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<v Speaker 1>and in order to keep her out of jail, he

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<v Speaker 1>had to take the plea deal no matter what, even

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<v Speaker 1>though they'd found no drugs on him at all. And

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest with you, they can throw a witness

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<v Speaker 1>tampering charge on a loved one or whoever pretty fucking easily.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, criminals do a little dirty. Sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. I'm not justifying any drug dealing or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but the fact that he was caught

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<v Speaker 1>with absolutely no drugs and he was tied into a

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<v Speaker 1>different investigation got his girlfriend for witness tampering, and basically said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to keep her out of jail, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take the plea deal. So on August fifteenth, twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Willis was convicted of drug trafficking and money laundering for

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<v Speaker 1>his role in the four million dollar oxy cotton drug ring.

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<v Speaker 1>He received a twenty year prison sentence, and Willis is

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<v Speaker 1>currently serving his sentence at Cannon USP. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's pronounced right, cnain whatever, and his projected release

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<v Speaker 1>date is June tenth of twenty twenty eight. Scott O'Donnell,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI agent whose task force eventually caught the White Devil,

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<v Speaker 1>was quoted as saying he had never seen a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>quite like Willis due to his high status within the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese mafia underground. Now, Willis ended up agreeing to the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year plea deal even though they didn't really have

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<v Speaker 1>any evidence other than wire taps when he was talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, few random things. It was not the strongest case,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did accept the twenty years to keep his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend out of jail. Let's be honest, he was doing

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<v Speaker 1>this shit. Just because it wasn't the strongest case doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean he wasn't guilty. Assistant US Attorney Tim Moran has

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<v Speaker 1>a binder of court documents with a label that says

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<v Speaker 1>White Devil. That was Willis's Cantonese nickname. Back Guy. John

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<v Speaker 1>Moran said Willis's ability to straddle different worlds is unusual

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<v Speaker 1>in a criminal. A criminal who has this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>ability and these connections to other areas of crime is

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<v Speaker 1>more dangerous. That's what we mean by organized crime. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the associations that make these types of criminals more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the Pingong Gang is no longer active, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is what prosecutors have said, although John Willis has maintained

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<v Speaker 1>connections in the Asian crime world. Now, I know this

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<v Speaker 1>seems like, you know, super short episode. Whatever they're legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>is not that much information on John Willis or the

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<v Speaker 1>cases for that matter, or his Chinese underground partners or

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<v Speaker 1>people involved. Like when they say, you know, people kept

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<v Speaker 1>their mouth shut. People kept their mouths shut. But I

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<v Speaker 1>will say this is from the US Attorney's Office District

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<v Speaker 1>of Massachusetts on August fifteenth, twenty thirteen. This was from

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper article. It says the leader of an organized

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<v Speaker 1>crime group was sentenced to twenty years in federal prison

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<v Speaker 1>for drug trafficking and money laundering after a multi year

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<v Speaker 1>FBI Task Force investigation into illegal activity in Boston's Chinatown.

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<v Speaker 1>John Willis, forty two, of Dorchester, also known by his

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese nickname back Guy John, which means white Devil John,

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced by United States District Court Judge Joseph Toro.

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<v Speaker 1>He pleaded guilty in March to conspiracy to distribute oxy

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<v Speaker 1>codone and money laundry conspiracy. Judge Toro also imposed a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal forfeiture money judgment of two million dollars. Willis, along

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<v Speaker 1>with twelve others, was first charged in twenty eleven for

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<v Speaker 1>leading an organization which spanned Massachusetts, Florida, New York, Rhode Island,

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, and elsewhere. The organization trafficked hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of oxycodone pills and generated over four million dollars in proceeds.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI's Organized Crime Task Force led a long term

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<v Speaker 1>investigation into drug trafficking, illegal gambling, extortion, prostitution, and other

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<v Speaker 1>criminal activity in Boston's Chinatown and elsewhere. The investigation included

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<v Speaker 1>a seven month court authorized wire surveillance of cell phones,

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<v Speaker 1>including the phones of five of the defendants associated with

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<v Speaker 1>the conspiracy. The investigation has resulted in the seizure of

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<v Speaker 1>over four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in cash, a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight foot speed by numerous luxury vehicles, thirteen firearms

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<v Speaker 1>and approximately twelve thousand oxycodone pills. Investigators also uncovered extensive

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of illegal gambling and prostitution, as well as the

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<v Speaker 1>use of extortionate threats to collect loans to gamblers and others.

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<v Speaker 1>US Attorney Carmen Ortiz said, twenty years in federal prison

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<v Speaker 1>is well deserved for mister Willis, a career criminal and

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<v Speaker 1>the mastermind behind this organization. Not only did this investigation

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<v Speaker 1>expose a world of illegal gambling, prostitution, extortion, but also

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<v Speaker 1>revealed a significant oxycodone distribution operation. This case significantly disrupted

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<v Speaker 1>the flow of this highly addictive, dangerous heroin substitute, which

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<v Speaker 1>has been responsible for numerous deaths and Massachusetts. Mister Willis

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<v Speaker 1>and his associates are an example of the opportunistic nature

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<v Speaker 1>of victimizing their communities through drug dealing, gambling and extortion,

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<v Speaker 1>and exploitation of women in their quest for illegal profits.

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<v Speaker 1>The methodical nature and duration of this investigation reflects the

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<v Speaker 1>focus to secure justice for the victims and make the

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<v Speaker 1>community safer. Court documents describe Willis as the kingpin, organizer

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<v Speaker 1>and leader of a vast conspiracy with details that would

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<v Speaker 1>sound like a Hollywood clash that would with details that

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<v Speaker 1>would sound like a Hollywood cliche if they were not true,

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<v Speaker 1>complete with cars, houses, guns, and speedboats. The book White

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<v Speaker 1>Devil by Bob Hallerin it chronicles John Willison's rise in

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<v Speaker 1>the mafia, including thoughts and anecdotes from the gangster himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hallerin interviewed him in a small room outside his

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<v Speaker 1>prison cell. He said, I spent seven hours with him

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<v Speaker 1>over a two day period. So what may sound horrible

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I grew to like him, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>to understand him. He doesn't ask for forgiveness because he's

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<v Speaker 1>not convinced that he did anything wrong. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I need to be the one forgiving him. But

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<v Speaker 1>as he sat there telling his story from his own perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>there was definitely reason to empathize with him, but also

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<v Speaker 1>reason to dislike the way he went about his life.

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<v Speaker 1>If you met him and didn't know his background, you

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<v Speaker 1>would think he was a really smart, engaging, interesting guy

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<v Speaker 1>that thinks things through, has varied interests, and reads a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what to expect because he has committed

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<v Speaker 1>some violent crimes and was a drug dealer for many years.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't meet a lot of criminals, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly how that was going to go. Sitting down

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<v Speaker 1>with him, he was extremely pleasant, almost docile. He never

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<v Speaker 1>raises his voice, and there's a semi whisper to his dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>I found him very interesting and captivating, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>intimidate me once we started talking. Even when I'd challenge him,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't get upset. One of the first things that

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<v Speaker 1>John points out is that gangsters killed gangsters, and criminals

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<v Speaker 1>kill criminals. He said that idiots killed civilians. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he could have used a stronger word. What he meant

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<v Speaker 1>was that when he was in the gang, he fought

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<v Speaker 1>other gangs for turf and the rights to take money

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<v Speaker 1>from the gambling den or the prostitution houses. It was

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<v Speaker 1>important to him that I knew he didn't hurt innocent people.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't talked at all about his wife and daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>When I interviewed him, the real tears came when he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how much he missed them. It was stunning

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<v Speaker 1>to me because I thought that he was cold and

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive and hard. I don't want to throw the word

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<v Speaker 1>psychopath out there, loosely, but he had no remorse or

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<v Speaker 1>regret for his crimes that he committed. He lived in

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<v Speaker 1>denial with those types of things, but when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to love and relationships, he kind of lost it in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me for a minute. That really stood out

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<v Speaker 1>to me because it it was in contradiction to every

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<v Speaker 1>other facet of his personality as well as his criminal history.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's a quote from John. My life's been pain.

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't been easy. You might look at a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's driving around in a Bentley and think that guy's

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<v Speaker 1>got the world by the balls, but you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>his mind, what he's been through. I've struggled for everything

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<v Speaker 1>that I did. Look at me now I'm sitting in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that simple. And of course Hollywood has already

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<v Speaker 1>taken up on this. Warner Brothers is now working on

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<v Speaker 1>a movie inspired by Willis's life, although Willis's defense attorney

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<v Speaker 1>says he and his client have not been contacted about

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<v Speaker 1>the project. A Warner Brothers spokesperson declined to give details,

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<v Speaker 1>but did confirm that the studio has recruited James Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>the filmmaker behind Russian mafia movies like Little Odessa. And

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<v Speaker 1>we own the night to write and direct the film.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be White Devil and its scheduled release date

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<v Speaker 1>is June of twenty twenty seven. Whoo man, all right, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get a little bit of We gotta name some

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<v Speaker 1>sources here. We got Rolling Stone article White Devil Kingpenn

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<v Speaker 1>how John Willis became a Chinatown overlord. That was from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen. We got a Vice article by Sam Ferranti

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty fifteen. Got Boston dot Com the story behind

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<v Speaker 1>White Devil John, and that was from twenty sixteen. NPR

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<v Speaker 1>John Willis also known as White Devil John and Cantonese

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<v Speaker 1>was sence to twenty years in prison. As we also

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<v Speaker 1>have an NPR article by Jane Collins. We got a

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Edition article and it was called Chinatown's White Devil John,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was from two thousand and fifteen. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, it looks like we also have the US

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney's Office District of Massachusetts with some information there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope you guys liked this episode. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's not a real long one. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was super fucking interesting. You know, there's there's really

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<v Speaker 1>not that much information unless you go ahead and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, read the John Holler in book. I

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<v Speaker 1>would highly suggest that if you want to get more

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<v Speaker 1>in depth, I suppose or not John Holler and I

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<v Speaker 1>should say Bob Haller and my fault. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>guys enjoyed, and I'm probably not going to read any reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>probably wait for a little bit. I got more bad

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<v Speaker 1>ones than good ones here in the last year or so,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, we'll see what happens. But anyway, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you guys stuck around. I love all you motherfuckers. Cheers,

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<v Speaker 1>have a beer for me, and I'll see you folks

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<v Speaker 1>on the flip side productor Amber of count In, ms LA.
