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Speaker 5: Oh hello, and welcome to the show. This is the
Speaker 5: Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan Jacob and today
Speaker 5: we have a very special guest. It's been quite a while.
Speaker 5: We got Heidi Love from the Unfiltered Rise podcast. How
Speaker 5: you doing Dear, I.
Speaker 6: Am doing great. Always love to come on the colt
Speaker 6: and visit the guys. You guys are amazing, so I'm
Speaker 6: happy to see you. Guys.
Speaker 5: We are very excited to see you as well, and
Speaker 5: I will try and do my very best to talk
Speaker 5: as little as possible because I'm dying and I may
Speaker 5: already be dead. I'm not sure this could just be
Speaker 5: a fever dream after death. But I have been sick
Speaker 5: as a dog for the past week, and my voice
Speaker 5: is going, and my body's going. My mind is even going.
Speaker 5: So we'll see how fun this episode's going to be.
Speaker 5: I think it'll still be a banger.
Speaker 6: Quit quit licking cheap hookers. Oh wait, what I mean
Speaker 6: that's true.
Speaker 4: I was telling you earlier, Dude, your voice with the
Speaker 4: deep and the growl like that, like you, that's asmr
Speaker 4: shit to certain demographic. I'm just saying you actually want
Speaker 4: to bring in more female listeners on this one. Dude.
Speaker 5: I almost sound like our boy that does our intro music. Now, Dude, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's if you did start growl screaming, I would be impressed.
Speaker 5: I can't do that. My throat is my throat is
Speaker 5: fucked enough. Just talking normal arow. But anyway, I'm sorry, No,
Speaker 5: it's all right. I mean we were always in the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter. Over here, baby, Hey, there we go. So
Speaker 5: all right, Heidi, do you want to break the ice
Speaker 5: and tell Jacob what it is we are running on today?
Speaker 4: I always love surprises, you know, they're typically happy ones.
Speaker 4: So I'm pumped. What are we delving into on this episode? Heidi?
Speaker 6: I don't think I bring bad surprises unless you pissed
Speaker 6: me off, and then you already knew. So Mormons, I'm
Speaker 6: bringing you a bad surprise. But we're going to talk
Speaker 6: about Howard Hughes and the Mormon.
Speaker 4: Howard Hughes. Oh yeah, we're telling about the Aviator. Yes, sir,
Speaker 4: I actually know a decent amount about him. Oddly enough,
Speaker 4: So what kind of Mormon mafia antics did he get into?
Speaker 6: You might be surprised Howard Hughes and I of course
Speaker 6: brought a slide show because you know how I roll.
Speaker 6: But yes, Howard Hughes left quite the Mormon legacy. I
Speaker 6: dare say that Howard Hughes's riches went mostly dispersing other
Speaker 6: than to the one nephew cousin, whatever that was to Mormons.
Speaker 6: He loved Mormons. Howard Hughes loved Mormons.
Speaker 4: Was he a Mormon?
Speaker 6: He wasn't. But you know, when we get into things
Speaker 6: with the Mormons, what does it always lead back to
Speaker 6: the three letter agencies? And what was Howard quite affiliated
Speaker 6: with lots of three letters? Yeah? He was, yep, So
Speaker 6: he loved that Mormons. And I'm not kidding when I
Speaker 6: say the Mormon mafia. They literally call them this. So
Speaker 6: if I can share screen, I will love to show
Speaker 6: you guys a few things about the Mormon mafia.
Speaker 4: Yes, please do interesting And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: while you're getting that queued up and we're getting ready
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Speaker 4: Indeed, indeed, so let's go into it here Vegas on
Speaker 4: the Book of Mormon, Heidi, where we are.
Speaker 6: Yes, I have to tell you one funny thing, you guys,
Speaker 6: is my mom is a cult member.
Speaker 4: Oh she loves you, guys, Heidie's mom whatever, what's her name, Cindy, Cindy, Sidy,
Speaker 4: Miss Cindy. We love you. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: listening to the Cult.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Sandy. With that third eye all the way open, babylt.
Speaker 6: Miss Ee broke her, Yes, I broke her and she
Speaker 6: got black pilled, and then she was scared and now
Speaker 6: she's okay.
Speaker 5: Hey, look, sometimes sometimes you got I go through the
Speaker 5: cycle of the phoenix, and I feel like a lot
Speaker 5: of that. That's why we always say open up the
Speaker 5: third eye, because eventually you have to shed your old skin.
Speaker 5: You gotta get rid of that because it will no
Speaker 5: longer suit you once your spiritual eye is open and
Speaker 5: awake to the rest of the world. The world isn't
Speaker 5: what we thought it was. If anybody's new here, it's
Speaker 5: really just not what we thought it was. And so,
Speaker 5: you know, it can be a little bit scary because
Speaker 5: you're diving into the depths of the unknown. You're staring
Speaker 5: into the abyss, and the abyss is staring right back
Speaker 5: at you. But still we don't know what the hell
Speaker 5: this place is. And that's why we have this show.
Speaker 5: We're breaking down all of the illusion. I think that's right,
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 4: Hell, even biblically speaking, they talked about Paul having scales
Speaker 4: removed from his eyes when he found the truth. Okay, now, look,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that we're having a Paul the Apostle
Speaker 4: moment or anything. But all we're saying is if we
Speaker 4: can help break someone's third eye a little bit more
Speaker 4: open and yeah, it gets black, pill, it gets a
Speaker 4: little it gets a little too spicy. Sometimes we get it,
Speaker 4: we get it, but you got to understand that, you
Speaker 4: know what, there's hope and because of people like you listening,
Speaker 4: and because of people trying to spread this truth. This
Speaker 4: is how this growth happens, is how this movement begins,
Speaker 4: is how this great awakening that everybody is hoping and
Speaker 4: praying for it starts here. This is where we go
Speaker 4: from here. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely. I knew she was broken a little
Speaker 6: bit when she called me one day and she was like,
Speaker 6: I don't know what. I think. She was watching donut
Speaker 6: You guys, that's a lot for a.
Speaker 4: Beginner, no donut shout.
Speaker 6: Out, Oh my gosh, And she called me in she said,
Speaker 6: I just don't want to know that the false Messiah
Speaker 6: is actually Project Bluebeam. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: you're so good, you're doing good.
Speaker 5: That's an oldie, but a goodie, hey, dude. I mean
Speaker 5: it's still it's still not impossible for that to happen.
Speaker 5: I mean, just being real, Like, they just came out
Speaker 5: with the UFO hearings yesterday. Did you see that?
Speaker 6: And did and I said all day long, Project Blue
Speaker 6: Beam coming our way.
Speaker 5: First of all, it's the same old bullshit that they
Speaker 5: were saying back in twenty twenty, and with a few exceptions,
Speaker 5: they have said that yes, for sure, we do have
Speaker 5: we do have control of crash landed vehicles. They may
Speaker 5: or may not be trying to re engineer them or
Speaker 5: reverse engineer them rather, and that they have confirmed that
Speaker 5: there is aliens out there out out where.
Speaker 4: I don't know, is David Grush to point out that's
Speaker 4: all this was essentially.
Speaker 5: And then you got Luis Alizondo kind of reporting it there.
Speaker 5: And I'm not a huge fan of him, if you
Speaker 5: if you get into all that kind of stuff. He
Speaker 5: is more into like the nuts and bolts of it,
Speaker 5: which you know, some people who look at the aliens.
Speaker 5: You're you're more looking at the physical stuff, and you know,
Speaker 5: the interdimensional stuff kind of goes over some some people's heads,
Speaker 5: which is understandable because we don't know anything that is interdimensional,
Speaker 5: So how do we compare it against that? You know,
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't know any physical thing that is interdimensional,
Speaker 5: but I think that there are certain things that are
Speaker 5: interdimensional that we, you know, use on a daily basis,
Speaker 5: your spirit, your soul. I would say, that's pretty interdimensional.
Speaker 4: Right yeah. I mean still though for that to be
Speaker 4: the one that your mom like goes off with, like
Speaker 4: I get it, I get it, though we my mind.
Speaker 6: I don't get Donnut's hardcore man.
Speaker 4: He goes The one that did it for my mom
Speaker 4: that really like broke her so to speak, was do
Speaker 4: you remember jade Helm jade Helm twenty fifteen or twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: I forget what twenty sixteen maybe that was the code
Speaker 4: name for it. Basically, it was this operation that was
Speaker 4: done where military personnel took over walmarts at certain areas
Speaker 4: along the Midwest and like basically shut down the walmarts,
Speaker 4: put up huge fence barricades, trucked in seacans full of
Speaker 4: equipment and stuff, and they just kind of did that
Speaker 4: for about a month and then just shut down shop
Speaker 4: and rolled out. They said. The official narrative was that
Speaker 4: that was a training operation for if some sort of
Speaker 4: massed emergency thing happened, they could have outposts ready to
Speaker 4: like give aid to people. But if you look at
Speaker 4: how they did it with the walmarts and how they
Speaker 4: didn't let anyone come in, they were arresting people that
Speaker 4: took pictures and all these things, it seemed more like
Speaker 4: them getting ready to defend certain areas against their own people,
Speaker 4: or at least that was how it was framed, like
Speaker 4: jade Helm was a conspiracy on the on the internet
Speaker 4: for a hot minute. But whenever my mom kind of
Speaker 4: found that one, She's like, Jacob, have you heard of this?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, all right, we can now speak
Speaker 4: at that level of like chess playing right the like
Speaker 4: we're at the four D chess and now we're gonna
Speaker 4: work our way up to that six.
Speaker 5: But it's really not that crazy because they are huge
Speaker 5: buildings like Walmarts. If you were gonna use it for
Speaker 5: some kind of military outpost, or even if you were
Speaker 5: gonna use it as some kind of FEMA camp, which
Speaker 5: is what a lot of people were thinking of during
Speaker 5: the COVID shit, that they were going to be rounding
Speaker 5: everybody up who who either was sick or didn't get
Speaker 5: the vaccine or whatever, which I mean, it's not that
Speaker 5: crazy to think it was only what sixty years ago,
Speaker 5: seventy years ago, shit was going on over in Germany.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I'm I think that if you
Speaker 5: look at Walmart and you reverse it a little bit,
Speaker 5: it looks like martial law. It could have been in
Speaker 5: the it could have been the works all along.
Speaker 4: Walmart energy strategically because of how close they are to hubs,
Speaker 4: they are built in strategic places where they can get
Speaker 4: resources to them quickly. They're close enough to interstates, they're
Speaker 4: close enough to people like It's very strategically done. So
Speaker 4: as far as having like outposts set up commandeering, Walmart's,
Speaker 4: Oh that's a fucking move, dude.
Speaker 5: You know what I think too, is that if you
Speaker 5: and I don't know if anybody else pays attention to this,
Speaker 5: maybe I'm just weird, but if you look at all
Speaker 5: of the colors of all these corporations, they used to
Speaker 5: be bright and colorful and inviting and you know, very
Speaker 5: like high vibes. I don't want to say high vibes,
Speaker 5: but more inviting vibes. Like take a look at McDonald's
Speaker 5: for example, Dude, it used to be everywhere was Ronald
Speaker 5: or Ronald McDonald and the fucking Hamburglar and the whatever
Speaker 5: the other characters are. But like it really it was
Speaker 5: very it was very inviting to kids and everything. And
Speaker 5: now you go in there, it looks like a fucking institution.
Speaker 6: Bro looks like a corporation. Is it looks like somebody's
Speaker 6: bad corporate lunch room?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, And I think brought the Grimace though. Did
Speaker 4: y'all ever hear about the Grimace's Irish uncle? That like
Speaker 4: almost got h McDonald's like sued, how does a fictional
Speaker 4: character have an Irish uncle? Bro? O Grimacy was an uncle.
Speaker 4: O Grimacy was a character they tried bringing about in
Speaker 4: Ireland and he was like just like the Grimace, but
Speaker 4: super green and like had the little vesta on the
Speaker 4: little hat, little cane, and like his catchphrases were like
Speaker 4: super things about McDonald's and then how like the Irish
Speaker 4: Republic is the true way? And he started like spewing
Speaker 4: Ira rhetoric as his official narrative, and McDonald's almost got
Speaker 4: in trouble over that shit. He was only around for
Speaker 4: like two years.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean you do gotta kind of you know,
Speaker 5: wave your own flag. Check it out, like look at
Speaker 5: it for like this for an example, raising Kaines. You
Speaker 5: ever noticed it? Like all right, so raising Kanes and
Speaker 5: originated in Baton Rouge. It was everything LSU. They always
Speaker 5: get like all of the all of the college fund money,
Speaker 5: and you know they're paying these players now, and so
Speaker 5: Kane's is paying them out.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 5: I moved up to Texas. They're doing the same thing
Speaker 5: over here. You got to Arizona, same thing over there.
Speaker 5: It's like they're all just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know that's one thing. But he was spewing like
Speaker 4: pro terrorist shit. He was talking about like car bombs
Speaker 4: are a good thing and shit like you know, Uncle
Speaker 4: O Grimercy went a little too spicy and McDonald's.
Speaker 6: They were given away in the Happy Mills Molotov cocktails.
Speaker 4: Like we could look it up another time, dude, but
Speaker 4: it was. It's funny because you know me, I'm kind
Speaker 4: of a pro IRA type of dude. I believe Ireland
Speaker 4: should be owned by Ireland. But I mean this guy
Speaker 4: was talking some shit.
Speaker 5: Heng. I mean it'd be like that sometimes. Sorry about that, Heidi.
Speaker 5: We tend to get a little talking over here. But uh,
Speaker 5: let's get into talking to me.
Speaker 6: You're good.
Speaker 4: Now, let's talk about this Mormon mafia things.
Speaker 6: So Mormon Mafia was a real thing. And honestly, I'm
Speaker 6: going to tell you guys, this could be probably like
Speaker 6: a ten part series because what I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 6: today is sets up the future and the future goes
Speaker 6: into some crazy places that I never knew. And I
Speaker 6: just was like, like what when I heard this, I
Speaker 6: thought the Kleenex box shoe guy, like why why? Right?
Speaker 6: Like why is that?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 6: Oh, we'll get there. So Howard Hughes, there would be
Speaker 6: no Las Vegas without Mormons. There would be no like
Speaker 6: any of it without Howard Hughes. I mean, Howard Hughes
Speaker 6: came to Las Vegas and he first went to the
Speaker 6: Desert inn But even before Howard Hughes got there, the
Speaker 6: Mormons built and settled the first settlement in Las Vegas.
Speaker 6: So in eighteen fifty five they tried to do this
Speaker 6: and this is an outpost in between for they say mission.
Speaker 6: But let's be honest. These these folks are all about
Speaker 6: making money. These folks are all about that green I
Speaker 6: figured out so much. I gotta come on and do
Speaker 6: my solomonic magic. Mormons with you guys too, because I
Speaker 6: mean their melkezedic seal for their priesthood is the same
Speaker 6: seal and sigil of Mammon, I swear on God.
Speaker 5: And so hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4: You said this was the outpost for missions. You said,
Speaker 4: which year was this?
Speaker 6: So this is in eighteen fifty five. And basically what
Speaker 6: I believe it is is it's a it's an in
Speaker 6: between for the Mormons to basically sell things to people
Speaker 6: going back and forth to California, which makes.
Speaker 4: It was this sense? When was Brigham Young popping off?
Speaker 4: Was that around this time?
Speaker 1: This is?
Speaker 6: This is Brigham Young? This is Brigham Young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I say missions. When they say mission work,
Speaker 4: they mean like slaughtering, genocidally slaughtering tribes of natives that
Speaker 4: are you know, obviously corrupted by demons.
Speaker 6: Well, and also they say to buy all of the
Speaker 6: native children and then make babies with them so they
Speaker 6: can become more white and delights them. Don't forget about
Speaker 6: that quote bloody Brigham. Yes, so bloody brigam. But this
Speaker 6: actually failed the first time, and then they came back
Speaker 6: in eighteen fifty seven and it still exists. This is
Speaker 6: on the strip as of today. And they just finally
Speaker 6: went like, peace out, this doesn't work. We don't want
Speaker 6: to grow things here. It's hot. But like a lot
Speaker 6: of settlers stayed in the roundabout areas. And when you
Speaker 6: go to Nevada or Wyoming or Utah, Idaho, you're gonna
Speaker 6: find Mormons everywhere. Arizona, same thing. And so that's all
Speaker 6: part of these missions. But I also find it curious,
Speaker 6: like isn't it funny that they were running for their lives.
Speaker 6: We got to get out of here were the Mormons.
Speaker 6: We want to have polygamus wives, leave us alone. Anarchy, right.
Speaker 6: And then the first thing they do when they get
Speaker 6: to Utah's go, hey, government, can we make a railroad
Speaker 6: with you?
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Speaker 6: What but why though? Right? So he already had it
Speaker 6: dialed in. Brigham wasn't stupid. Brigham actually was pretty damn smart,
Speaker 6: and so was Joseph, just different ways. One was magical
Speaker 6: thinking and one was money and so or money magic,
Speaker 6: whichever way you want to put that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I get hell, the Nation of
Speaker 4: Islam kind of started the opposite way. Your boy, whatever,
Speaker 4: the guy who came allegedly from the Middle East, who
Speaker 4: was the Messiah figure. He came for the money, and
Speaker 4: the dude Elijah Muhammad after him came with the magic.
Speaker 4: It was opposite order. But like here we are, I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 5: Praise me into his legs.
Speaker 4: Yakub, the prophet Yakub without no caucacity would exist.
Speaker 6: So yes, yeah, it works obviously. Obviously this kind of
Speaker 6: dynamic works often, and you know, it didn't work so
Speaker 6: good back then with the whole settlement thing, but eventually
Speaker 6: we all know the mob took over and they kind
Speaker 6: of got things rolling out there, and so the mob
Speaker 6: is going to be really important in this. But it's
Speaker 6: not not truly the mafia that's settled Las Vegas other
Speaker 6: than the very beginnings. It's kind of like how the
Speaker 6: Mormons laid their dust and then left. Well, same thing
Speaker 6: with the mobics that they didn't want to leave. They
Speaker 6: got kind of kicked out, and we're going to talk
Speaker 6: about that. But Howard Hughes comes and you know, he
Speaker 6: arrives in and he goes to the desert inn Everybody
Speaker 6: kind of is recognizing this photo. It's pretty famous. This
Speaker 6: is his wifey I just she comes up later, so
Speaker 6: I wanted to put that in there. But these are
Speaker 6: just all old pictures of good old Howie boy. And
Speaker 6: this is Howard later, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 6: that too, but I'm looking for this photo. So this
Speaker 6: is the desert in and he came to the desert
Speaker 6: in and he decided he was gonna start walking around
Speaker 6: and be naked and not listen to anyone and play
Speaker 6: videos on the little movie thing all hours of the night.
Speaker 6: And you know, he was severely OCD and a little yeah,
Speaker 6: a little bout Howard. He got way crazy, But I
Speaker 6: don't think he was as crazy as he was made
Speaker 6: out to be, only because we're going to talk about
Speaker 6: what they did to him, and I truly believe it
Speaker 6: was the Mormons that did it. But at this point,
Speaker 6: he's you know, going a little wild up and they're
Speaker 6: like you gotta go. I mean, you're kind of a
Speaker 6: pain in the ass, like you need to go now.
Speaker 6: And he didn't want to do that, and so he
Speaker 6: bought the hotel and at that time they were like cool, whatever, bye.
Speaker 6: But he also didn't have a license to do any
Speaker 6: of that, and you know, everything was kind of sketchy.
Speaker 6: The mob is still owning this. It's kind of not
Speaker 6: really corportized yet, right. Vegas is kind of like wild
Speaker 6: West at this point basically, And you know, this is
Speaker 6: a rendition of what is going to happen to good
Speaker 6: old Howie Boy. And this is no joke.
Speaker 4: This I was going to say. The movie The Aviator
Speaker 4: did a pretty decent job of showing him when he
Speaker 4: like secluded himself in the theater. It was a it.
Speaker 6: Was yup and he stopped. He actually didn't go outside
Speaker 6: for so long. This is a rendition from that film
Speaker 6: that his curtains rotted. His curtains rotted. Yeah, so you
Speaker 6: know that's that's speaking some volumes. His pretty little wife there,
Speaker 6: I do like to mention even with her, you know,
Speaker 6: he only had her come in the room like twenty
Speaker 6: minutes a day just to look at her. And then
Speaker 6: he's like, okay, you can go. Now, what a freaking marriage?
Speaker 6: What I'd be so sad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, See, that's why people give him the Moniker being crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: His OCD was also like borderline, especially back then when
Speaker 4: he was alive, Like to be a manic OCD person
Speaker 4: would have been seen as some sort of clinical insanity,
Speaker 4: which some people say it is you know, I get it,
Speaker 4: I see the sides, but I mean to say that
Speaker 4: you also keep in mind, wasn't he dating like a
Speaker 4: fourteen year old he? I mean, I'm I'm sure you're
Speaker 4: going to get into all the craziness about him, but
Speaker 4: just looking at it for what it is. Off the top, yeah,
Speaker 4: he was kind of eccentric, but then it slipped into
Speaker 4: kind of madness at the end there.
Speaker 6: Yes, And I think there's actually a pretty good reason
Speaker 6: why the madness may have slipped in. And I'm just
Speaker 6: going to give conjectures because none of us really know,
Speaker 6: but I do know some things as a nurse that
Speaker 6: wouldn't happen. And so you know, Howard opens up that
Speaker 6: first casino and then after this, this is before this
Speaker 6: level when the fingernails, I think that was so he
Speaker 6: could stab someone in the eye or something. I don't
Speaker 6: know what that was about.
Speaker 5: But is that real fingernails? God?
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, he had one. Yeah, And so I don't
Speaker 6: know if he was just scared or what was happening there,
Speaker 6: but you know whatever, Like I said, he was definitely
Speaker 6: on the strange zone and he didn't like to talk
Speaker 6: to a lot of people or see a lot of people.
Speaker 6: And this becomes a problem because he wants to own
Speaker 6: these hotels and so well, you know, how's he going
Speaker 6: to do that? You know, how's he going to fight
Speaker 6: the national nuclear system? He hated that they used to
Speaker 6: set off bombs there. He wanted to buy up property,
Speaker 6: He wanted to have them stop that. He just hated
Speaker 6: it so much. And so how do you get these
Speaker 6: things accomplished when you're a recluse? You know you can't.
Speaker 6: And so he meets up with this guy named Robert Mayhew.
Speaker 6: And this is actually Mayhew's little cohort. This is mister
Speaker 6: g and Conna. And he's not an overly famous mobster, Okay,
Speaker 6: he's not like, oh, you know, everyone knows who he is.
Speaker 6: I mean some people do, but some people don't. And
Speaker 6: so these are out of order. And so the fact
Speaker 6: is is that, you know, this guy gets in cahoots
Speaker 6: with this other man named Robert Mayhew and this is
Speaker 6: a picture of him, and he starts helping Howard Hughes
Speaker 6: along the way with things only because he was a
Speaker 6: private investigator and he wanted to bust out his twenty
Speaker 6: minute wife for I guess she was cheating on him.
Speaker 6: I'm like, bro, like, what do you what are you
Speaker 6: doing over there? Like you're not obviously servicing anything in
Speaker 6: twenty minutes, just staring at her, like let's let's get real.
Speaker 5: So I mean, and obviously obviously she was cheating on him.
Speaker 5: Look at this fucking guy.
Speaker 6: I mean his fingernail. Geez, there's no fun with that.
Speaker 6: So we'll leave that there.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I guess if you're brave enough, but
Speaker 4: like you oh yeah, hys.
Speaker 6: Directed yes, And so obviously he needs help with this,
Speaker 6: and this guy starts to help him. And he kind
Speaker 6: of also was considered a businessman and a lawyer. He
Speaker 6: was not a Mormon, but he was into like all
Speaker 6: the goings on of Nevada at this point, so he
Speaker 6: he was like going down and trying to help him
Speaker 6: acquire properties without He refused to be fingerprinted, he refused
Speaker 6: to take his picture, he refused to give IDs. So
Speaker 6: this guy's hard to work with. And so this guy
Speaker 6: Mayhew kinda is his runner boy. And he's also trying
Speaker 6: to bust this woman, which I kind of wonder if
Speaker 6: he even ever tried to do, because like he probably
Speaker 6: saw how good this was, right, like, oh, full time
Speaker 6: job forever.
Speaker 4: Pretty much. Yeah, steady income. All you gotta do is
Speaker 4: give him a crumb of information from time to time
Speaker 4: that may or may not even be true. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I get it, yep.
Speaker 6: And so he is investigating this woman. But in the meantime,
Speaker 6: what Howard Hughes doesn't know is this man is CIA.
Speaker 6: And when I say this man is a CIA agent,
Speaker 6: I mean this man's life is actually the whole thing
Speaker 6: for Double seven. Like this guy was a badass and
Speaker 6: he was crazy and he tortured people, and it's a
Speaker 6: whole big thing, like he's wild up. And of course,
Speaker 6: you know, do does Howard Hughes know that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know. There's some sketchy things about Howard Hughes
Speaker 6: and three letter agencies. Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't.
Speaker 6: But I will say this, this man was actually so
Speaker 6: into things that he worked with Nixon, he worked against
Speaker 6: O Nassas and the King of Saudi Arabia. He was
Speaker 6: a former spy. Like I said, lots of politicians were
Speaker 6: involved with this man. And also he was just in
Speaker 6: knee deep with like just crazy stuff. Still with the CIA,
Speaker 6: they say retired.
Speaker 4: But so what was his role with Howard?
Speaker 9: Again?
Speaker 6: So he's supposedly a private investigator, right, so this, yeah, this,
Speaker 6: I'm going to leave it back on that one. So
Speaker 6: this private investigator ends up saying, Hey, I know this
Speaker 6: guy in the mob g and Conna. He hooks him
Speaker 6: up and that's kind of how he gets his little
Speaker 6: feet into the hole. I'm gonna buy more casinos.
Speaker 4: Thing.
Speaker 6: Well, this screw him over hardcore because Mayhew actually was
Speaker 6: wanting that to happen. Oh not double O seven. Sorry guys,
Speaker 6: mission impossible. Sorry about that. And so yes, he was
Speaker 6: also involved with like hits on Castro, He's in Watergate,
Speaker 6: this guy's in everything like this. This guy's a hot
Speaker 6: mess express and so you know he helped kind of
Speaker 6: get get the whole thing in the door, gets him
Speaker 6: set up kind of his errand boy, because you know,
Speaker 6: Howard Hughes wouldn't see very many people and he was
Speaker 6: one of yeah, he didn't even ever meet him, and
Speaker 6: so like it was just the errand boy, you know,
Speaker 6: tell this guy to do this, and that it was
Speaker 6: through telephone through Yeah, I don't know how they freaking
Speaker 6: did it, but that was how it went.
Speaker 4: And so as far as I could see him, if
Speaker 4: he told Howard that he was quote unquote former CIA
Speaker 4: who is now moonlighting as a prior investigator. I could
Speaker 4: see Howard being like, oh, absolutely, let's go. But then
Speaker 4: you think about this. This is Cold War America. This
Speaker 4: is when the CIA was doing all the wild sketchy
Speaker 4: shit that literally conspiracy theories have been built and you know,
Speaker 4: confirmed later off of So to say that this guy
Speaker 4: didn't help Howard Hughes who aviation specialist, right, And how
Speaker 4: do we know he's not feeding our planes for the Russians?
Speaker 4: How we know he's not giving him Russian spies blueprint name?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, that time frame, the big
Speaker 4: red scare, right. So if he didn't tell Howard that
Speaker 4: he was former CIA and he was just a private investigator,
Speaker 4: it would make sense to me that the CIA would
Speaker 4: put him there as a plant, especially with such a
Speaker 4: strategic individual like for instance, just throwing this out, does
Speaker 4: anybody think Elon Musk doesn't have a CIA handler that's
Speaker 4: like a part of his crew.
Speaker 6: Oh I know who he is, and I'm gonna show
Speaker 6: you today.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 6: He's a Mormon.
Speaker 4: He's all wait, coming with the facts, dude, No.
Speaker 6: You coming with pictures. I'm coming with facts, I'm coming
Speaker 6: with proof, I'm come on with all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 6: So on top of that, I also believe in my
Speaker 6: heart that Hughes was probably a CIA agent himself because
Speaker 6: it came out and the Rockefeller Report later, and so
Speaker 6: this also was a project that he did with the CIA.
Speaker 6: This was ran by the Hughes and it was Project Azorion.
Speaker 6: It was a recovery ship. They were trying to like
Speaker 6: spy on Russians, trying to get this other submarine that
Speaker 6: fell down there. And it's a whole big there's there's
Speaker 6: two different projects here you guys can check out, but
Speaker 6: it's a true CIA declassified thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I remember hearing about this, Okay, so correct me if
Speaker 4: I'm wrong here. The Russians lost a submarine that allegedly
Speaker 4: had nukes on it. And this was in the earlier
Speaker 4: days of nuclear subs, so basically they abandoned the submarine
Speaker 4: and it's just down there rules of naval warfare basically
Speaker 4: at that point, say finders fucking keepers. So it was
Speaker 4: a race to see who could make a salvage unit
Speaker 4: able to do this, So they had to bring in
Speaker 4: Howard Hughes because he's an engineering mastermind and basically a
Speaker 4: prodigy prodigy, you know what I mean. And he like,
Speaker 4: basically Jerry rigged some professional ass shit up in a heartbeat,
Speaker 4: very very tony stark of him, very potentially elon musk
Speaker 4: of him. We're going to go that route, and we
Speaker 4: actually recovered it, but then scrubbed the whole plan and said, no,
Speaker 4: this never happened. We don't know what you're talking about exactly.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad you know about Howard because it makes
Speaker 6: it more fun that you know about these different things,
Speaker 6: and honestly, with what we're going to get into later
Speaker 6: and how these things go. I do think that Howard
Speaker 6: was in a three letter agency. Well, the Rockefeller Report
Speaker 6: says so, And you know, I just feel like he
Speaker 6: went kind of crazy because you know, if you're super
Speaker 6: smart and then you're into this stuff, it's real easy
Speaker 6: to get paranoid. And he's doing oh my god, so yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean you he's also been claimed to
Speaker 4: be one of those eccentric types quote unquote, right, which
Speaker 4: a lot of people of artistic genius have some weird
Speaker 4: shit about them. Right, it's just what happens. We can't
Speaker 4: get you don't get the musical genius without having some
Speaker 4: wild shit about him. Right, that's the big narrative about it.
Speaker 4: But and there's maybe to a degree I could see that,
Speaker 4: But at the same time, there's a limit. You know.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm telling you this Mayhew was pissed because he
Speaker 6: got shut down all of a sudden his little limo
Speaker 6: driver slash Aaron boy, this guy here gay. So this
Speaker 6: guy pops up out of nowhere and he's like, you
Speaker 6: know what, I can help you too. And this guy
Speaker 6: right here he becomes something that you can't even believe.
Speaker 6: So frank gay, he is like just this, like I said,
Speaker 6: Aaron boy, Well, he wanted only to hire Mormons, and
Speaker 6: he takes over hiring everybody for the Hughes organization. And
Speaker 6: he does not like Mayhew and he does not want
Speaker 6: to play second fiddle to no non Mormons. So he's
Speaker 6: trying to get Mayhew the hell out of here, and
Speaker 6: he succeeds. He makes problems between He's like, you know what,
Speaker 6: I think maybe he's got something to do with why
Speaker 6: your wife doesn't like you.
Speaker 4: Shit, And so he.
Speaker 6: Gets rid of him, And it's kind of funny because
Speaker 6: you know, you can see this power struggle. All these
Speaker 6: people I'm going to tell you about today are like
Speaker 6: all the same personality and they just like Arah Clash
Speaker 6: of the Titans. But this particular guy is even more
Speaker 6: so because he doesn't come from like you know, big
Speaker 6: fancy schools or a bank or the mob. He doesn't
Speaker 6: have the backing, right, so we think he comes off
Speaker 6: real like innocent, but actually he was also in the CIA.
Speaker 6: He was a paratrooper. They would drop him in and
Speaker 6: he would ski in to do the secret secret missions
Speaker 6: no shit. And so I'm like, this is great, This
Speaker 6: is like a great I mean, how it's so good already,
Speaker 6: like all these things when I started studying that.
Speaker 5: Is definitely some mission impossible type shit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so fun. And so he becomes big up.
Speaker 6: But what he also does is he starts controlling things.
Speaker 6: So this board right here that he takes over and creates,
Speaker 6: this board is lock tight. And guess who's not on
Speaker 6: the board anymore, Howard Hughes.
Speaker 4: So the summer board Summama, So what's Zue McCourt.
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna tell you about what happens with Sue mccor.
Speaker 6: But first I'm gonna tell you my my little idea
Speaker 6: about Howard Hughes. The thing about Howard Hughes is is
Speaker 6: that he was stuck there and nobody ever sees him.
Speaker 6: This little fight's going on between Gay and Mayhew and
Speaker 6: and you know, they can't get to him per se
Speaker 6: because he doesn't just see people like that's not going
Speaker 6: to happen, and he's having his own meltdowns in the
Speaker 6: back room. Supposedly he has twenty four hour nursing care
Speaker 6: set up by who oh the Mormon guy, right, Okay,
Speaker 6: so the Mormon guys got it all dialed in. However,
Speaker 6: he was like taken on a stretcher in the nineteen
Speaker 6: seventies right before Thanksgiving and whisked away in the middle
Speaker 6: of the night to get out of Vegas, never to return.
Speaker 6: And literally he died shortly after. And when he got
Speaker 6: out of Vegas, he weighed this man was six foot three,
Speaker 6: he weighed ninety pounds, and and he had bed sores everywhere.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, that doesn't happen to just OCD people. You
Speaker 6: don't just sit there forever, like come on, they're usually fidgety,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: He was probably poisoned or something like that.
Speaker 6: Right, yep, they well, here's my thing. They also found
Speaker 6: in the autopsy of Howard Hughes multiple not one or
Speaker 6: two needles, hypodermic needles broken off inside this man. Okay,
Speaker 6: As a mental health nurse, I can tell you this
Speaker 6: two things. First of all, drug addicts know how to
Speaker 6: do it. That's not happening. And second of all, back
Speaker 6: in the day, those needles are hard for like they're
Speaker 6: not like today's needles, and even to the raisings like.
Speaker 4: Fucking turkey based needles, like those are these little twenty
Speaker 4: two gauge needles we have, that's cute. They were fucking
Speaker 4: with what like twelve gauge back then.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep, man, god, they are like super strong metal,
Speaker 6: like they're not like this flexible you know, little team stuff.
Speaker 6: No no. And then so these are all broken off
Speaker 6: inside of him. And there's only one way that that
Speaker 6: really happens, because I've broken one needle in twenty six
Speaker 6: years of my career. And that's when somebody is giving
Speaker 6: you a fight of your life, like you are trying
Speaker 6: to all your might to hold them down because they
Speaker 6: get the strength of like twenty men and they're having
Speaker 6: like psychosis and you know it's only happened to me
Speaker 6: one time ever with the flimsy.
Speaker 5: Needles, they because their muscles tense up.
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Speaker 6: And so for that to happen back in the day,
Speaker 6: with the size of needle we're talking about, I'm saying
Speaker 6: they were dragging him.
Speaker 4: I'll say this the needles we use today. And because
Speaker 4: of my time in the Marine Corps, I can say
Speaker 4: this much. If you're being a dick, yeah, you could
Speaker 4: break the needle off in someone's arm. And I mean
Speaker 4: I may or may not have seen guys do that
Speaker 4: when we are learning how to give each other ivs
Speaker 4: that you know, whatever, whatever, But like that's for the
Speaker 4: purpose of being a dick, you know, Like right, these
Speaker 4: gauge of needles like that, that's not something you could
Speaker 4: just snap off with a hard thumb and like a
Speaker 4: grip that's this is a is a little bit different.
Speaker 6: So he gets these other guys on this board and
Speaker 6: they he actually becomes the top dog of this board.
Speaker 6: Now remember he becomes the CEO of Suma Corporation. He
Speaker 6: sets up this corporation. And the funny thing is about
Speaker 6: this corporation is, like I said, this guy was an
Speaker 6: aeron boy. He's not like some big like I went
Speaker 6: to Harvard thing or whatever. Like he's just popping in
Speaker 6: and he starts hooking it up with these really big people.
Speaker 6: And this again here is gay. In this picture, there's
Speaker 6: multiple other people. Guess who else is on his board
Speaker 6: is freaking stenographer, Like come on, get out of here
Speaker 6: with that? Like what you let the secretary on the board,
Speaker 6: and Howard Hughes can't be on his own board. That's
Speaker 6: crazy to me. So I just don't think so. And
Speaker 6: then you're like, okay, I mean I guess right, Like
Speaker 6: there's a doctor on the board, makes you under something.
Speaker 4: I see a doctor, I see a lawyer. I see it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yep, you got it. And then you've got
Speaker 6: the stenographer because she's taken all the notes. And so
Speaker 6: this is him later in life, and you know, that's
Speaker 6: basically a little bit about him and his story. But
Speaker 6: his story will continue on later. But here we introduce
Speaker 6: another guy that ends up on the board, and this
Speaker 6: is E. Perry Thomas. And E. Perry Thomas comes in
Speaker 6: because he was a banker and he's a Mormon, and
Speaker 6: so E Perry Thomas had opened the bank of Las Vegas. Well,
Speaker 6: this is how they kicked out all of the mobsters.
Speaker 6: Is what they did, is they corporatized all of Las
Speaker 6: Vegas and so no more skimming off the top, no
Speaker 6: more illegal stuff. Everything had to go through like the
Speaker 6: proper channels and this and that. So it basically kicks
Speaker 6: out all the mobsters because after a couple short years,
Speaker 6: they just can't do what they were doing anymore. They
Speaker 6: weren't making the money they were. And so this dude,
Speaker 6: e Perry Thomas, his name is the Quiet king Maker
Speaker 6: and everybody knew it. And so he hooks up with
Speaker 6: the other guy Gay because they're both Mormons and they're
Speaker 6: running game hardcore with Howard Hughes's money. They even were
Speaker 6: opening new corporations under his name that he didn't even
Speaker 6: know existed at all. Period.
Speaker 4: What year about is this? Now?
Speaker 6: This is in?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Sorry, that one too fast? So Corporation. Suma Corporation was
Speaker 6: a financial umbrella corporation for the Hues and it was
Speaker 6: started in where my note I have it somewhere.
Speaker 4: I didn't mean to trip you up. I'm sorry, I say,
Speaker 4: like they kind of ran the mafia out because of
Speaker 4: that bank. I'm like, okay, I gotta know the time frame.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Half plays in somewhere.
Speaker 5: I know, nineteen seventy two, Sumer Corporation.
Speaker 6: There you go, there you go, thank you.
Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy two. Ooh, y'all do y'all? Oh, okay, so listen, listen,
Speaker 4: you're on it right now, nineteen seventy two, whenever the
Speaker 4: mafia was like on the ropes, so to speak, from
Speaker 4: this bank, they had to look for money, right, and
Speaker 4: where did they go to? Well, at this time, the
Speaker 4: Teamster union was the largest union in America, and they
Speaker 4: had the law just amount of money in a bank
Speaker 4: account for their pension fund, so large in fact, that
Speaker 4: Jimmy Hoffa was letting certain organizations and certain people take
Speaker 4: loans against it. Jimmy Hoffa disappeared in nineteen seventy five
Speaker 4: because he came to collect on the debts that he
Speaker 4: gave to the mafia to quote unquote build Vegas, which
Speaker 4: kind of is true, except that it wasn't just a
Speaker 4: build Vegas for a while there. It was the money
Speaker 4: they used to try to hold it right.
Speaker 6: Okay, that makes total sense because I mean all of
Speaker 6: this like goes in together. It was almost like a
Speaker 6: white collar versus blue collar even though we're both talking
Speaker 6: about crime. They were fighting for this power dynamic. And
Speaker 6: where e Perry Thomas comes in is he has financial backing.
Speaker 6: He has a bank, you know, so he made it
Speaker 6: easy for Howard Hughes, even though, like I said, he
Speaker 6: never did all the proper things to own a license.
Speaker 6: Sure he wouldn't go down and do what he was
Speaker 6: supposed to do, none of this stuff, and so really
Speaker 6: he shouldn't have been allowed. But you know, if you're rich,
Speaker 6: I mean whatever.
Speaker 5: How about these people back in the day with and
Speaker 5: even some like authors and shit. Right now, they go
Speaker 5: as an initial as their first name, but then they
Speaker 5: give you their middle and last name. That's kind of strange,
Speaker 5: isn't it. Scott Fitzgerald dude, right, yeah, it's like, what
Speaker 5: do you why are you holding back your front your
Speaker 5: first name?
Speaker 6: Dude?
Speaker 4: I mean certain artists do it that way for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I've never really gotten it myself, but especially
Speaker 4: if like he never went by his first name. His
Speaker 4: parents always just called him Perry and still I don't know.
Speaker 6: Oh, and it's also somewhat protective too, like if you
Speaker 6: think about it, because then he can, you know, go
Speaker 6: by that on the sidelines and be the other guy
Speaker 6: at the bank. Maybe true?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: All Mormons get two names anyway, we get an extra
Speaker 6: one at the temple. Oh yeah, but no nobody tells
Speaker 6: you that name.
Speaker 5: You get a whole extra name. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Oh, I thought I told you guys.
Speaker 5: Maybe you did.
Speaker 4: It's like they kind of borrowed that from the Native
Speaker 4: American culture, where like even to this day, in a
Speaker 4: Native American tribe, you will get a name in your
Speaker 4: correct language, but like it's never to be spoken outside
Speaker 4: of religious ceremony ever, like and that's a rule pretty
Speaker 4: much in all the tribes. The Mormons kind of borrowed
Speaker 4: that because again, Jesus made his way to the Native
Speaker 4: Americans with the gold tablets and you know, things and stuff.
Speaker 5: So it's your occult.
Speaker 6: Name, it is, well, yes, you want to know mine,
Speaker 6: You're never supposed to say, but I'm out. So Abigail.
Speaker 5: Was a patriotic name, well like Amish more than anything,
Speaker 5: I think, right there.
Speaker 6: You go, yeah, yeah, I'm probably. And this guy, you know,
Speaker 6: he he ends up being super important, Like he ends
Speaker 6: up being right as important, right next to the other guy,
Speaker 6: and together they end up building this huge like they
Speaker 6: change everything, all of Howard Hughes's people in La, all
Speaker 6: of Howard Hugheses everything, they change out to Mormons. And
Speaker 6: Howard Hughes likes it because they have some rules with Mormons.
Speaker 6: You can be white collar crime all you want if
Speaker 6: you don't get caught, but you don't touch the dice,
Speaker 6: and you don't drink, and you don't do drugs and
Speaker 6: you don't do the things. So I mean it was
Speaker 6: better than probably what they were dealing with before. So
Speaker 6: you know, you're supposed to be honest.
Speaker 4: I feel like as far as crimes go, like money
Speaker 4: crimes are way more forgiven by the church than the others, right.
Speaker 5: Just by the church, but not the country. The country
Speaker 5: takes those the most serious.
Speaker 4: Right, Like you know what I mean, Like as far
Speaker 4: as like having people in the clergy being pedophiles or
Speaker 4: something like that, that's not like good, look, but like okay,
Speaker 4: having a dude at the top embezzling money, like hey,
Speaker 4: you know, charge to charge to the game. This is
Speaker 4: what you get, you know.
Speaker 5: Like everybody's kind of like, well, right, right right, that
Speaker 5: is interesting, you know what. I'm sorry before we move on,
Speaker 5: I was just curious you said that that Abigail was
Speaker 5: like your secret.
Speaker 6: Name, secret name.
Speaker 5: So that's the name that they would call you while
Speaker 5: you're in church.
Speaker 6: No, no, So the only time I can get called
Speaker 6: that name, And this is why I'm gonna shout it
Speaker 6: out so all of you call it because if this
Speaker 6: is true, and I end up going to heaven and
Speaker 6: my ex husband calls me, I'm be pissed, so yeah,
Speaker 6: because he gets called by God through the veil. I
Speaker 6: don't get to know his name ever, but he calls
Speaker 6: me through the veil because I don't have the priest
Speaker 6: stood and so I am saved by him, and so
Speaker 6: he gets to know my name, but I don't get
Speaker 6: to know his. But I don't want him, so y'all
Speaker 6: feel free, like I don't want to go with him.
Speaker 5: So he's on the other side and if he wants
Speaker 5: to call you up, he'd be like, Abigail, come on up.
Speaker 6: They say you can still say no. So I mean,
Speaker 6: I guess it's all a cultic. And I've learned so
Speaker 6: much since I saw you guys last It's it's actually
Speaker 6: funny how much I've learned, Like a lot changes in
Speaker 6: a year, and you're just like, wow.
Speaker 4: Oh I feel that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sound great. I mean your knowledge and understanding
Speaker 5: of all this kind of stuff. I love. This is
Speaker 5: why we do what we do to hear stories like this.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 6: And I like researching, and that's why I'm a nerd.
Speaker 6: The research is stuff like this. I know I'm all
Speaker 6: over the board. So this guy, they make this corporation.
Speaker 6: And when I say corporation, I mean these things go
Speaker 6: into massive, massive money making. This is E Perry Thomas
Speaker 6: with Steve Winn. Okay, yeah, Steve Wynn. He made him
Speaker 6: the king too, because don't forget he's the king maker.
Speaker 6: So he was also backed by Mormon money. It was
Speaker 6: well known. And this man, E Perry Thomas actually quoted
Speaker 6: and said to his children he is like my son.
Speaker 6: That's how close they were. And so he just goes
Speaker 6: around making these you know, basically empires with Howard Hughes's money.
Speaker 6: Like he's totally on the corporation. And you would think
Speaker 6: that would be, you know, not allowed, because like he's
Speaker 6: helping him secure the money and I mean it's definitely
Speaker 6: conflict of interest, but no, no, he's he's all about it.
Speaker 4: So Howard Hughes was the one that was actually behind
Speaker 4: the investments or was this guy pretty much just using
Speaker 4: his money and just boom boom boom. Howard's over here
Speaker 4: doing Howard shit. He's locked in the in the theater,
Speaker 4: he's watching the porn again, you know whatever. But I'm
Speaker 4: over here just making stacks and making my commission off
Speaker 4: the top is that basically what we're saying here.
Speaker 6: It basically makes you wonder. And you have to understand,
Speaker 6: even before these guys took over, Mayhew was doing it too,
Speaker 6: because what he did is he's like, Hey, you got
Speaker 6: all these cool helicopters and stuff, Let's start having these
Speaker 6: specifically only for the CIA. And that was real.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And so still to this day, by the way, yes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and almost every corporation that I'm going to tell
Speaker 6: you guys about today has either been not just dissolved
Speaker 6: but actually turned into a new corporation and continues to
Speaker 6: this day. Yeah, And so I mean, obviously somewhat what
Speaker 6: they were doing.
Speaker 4: You gotta understand the amount of money that Howard had too.
Speaker 4: He didn't just have a plane that he sold to
Speaker 4: the government one time. This dude had god tier money
Speaker 4: and then just kind of quote unquote died, right he
Speaker 4: had He built an entire airline. He was the only
Speaker 4: one that could make the trip from Europe to America
Speaker 4: for a good while there, so he could monopolize on that.
Speaker 4: He built an entire airline from the ground up off
Speaker 4: of just his grit. He designed incredible jet engine space
Speaker 4: basically spacecraft by what they had as a standard. Keep
Speaker 4: in mind, thirty years prior they were using biplanes. Okay,
Speaker 4: open air basically convertible with two wings up top. That's
Speaker 4: the Mummy, that biplane scene. That was like the pinnacle
Speaker 4: of aviation technology thirty years prior. This guy's fucking with jets,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, this is that guy.
Speaker 4: So he had god tear status funds and he basically
Speaker 4: just secluded himself in his hotel and said, fuck the world.
Speaker 4: His money was still there, you know what I mean. So, okay,
Speaker 4: so they had these people that were making these moves
Speaker 4: quote unquote on his behalf.
Speaker 5: Also, I read something earlier that said that basically, like
Speaker 5: Howard Hughes, the the idea behind the fictional character Howard
Speaker 5: Stark and Tony Stark and all that shit, that he
Speaker 5: was really based upon those and actually, like the snarky
Speaker 5: mentality that Tony Stark has really comes from the real
Speaker 5: identity of Howie Hughes or Howard Hughes. But as far
Speaker 5: as like his knowledge and building up corporations and stuff,
Speaker 5: he was more like you know, Howard Stark than Tony Stark.
Speaker 5: But it is interesting, you see see how all these
Speaker 5: fucking people are all really playing together, you know, and
Speaker 5: how they're interwoven into different corporations and ship. I learned
Speaker 5: something the other day that said, so Jack Parsons, you
Speaker 5: know what Jack parsons real fucking name was, bro, what
Speaker 5: is his real name is? Marvel Parsons Marvel, like right?
Speaker 4: And you know then you get changed that because of
Speaker 4: the occults or was that his birth name.
Speaker 5: I don't know why he changed it, but he was
Speaker 5: born this way. Marvel Whiteside Parsons and Mivil.
Speaker 4: Whiteside Parsons was his birth name, and he changed it
Speaker 4: to Jack.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it goes his name change. His mother, Ruth
Speaker 5: changed his name to John after after leaving his father
Speaker 5: for adultery. But the nickname for John is Jack for
Speaker 5: some fucking reason. Yeah, but it is interesting. And then
Speaker 5: you tie that into Walt Disney and Project paper Clip
Speaker 5: and all of the magic and the Illuminati and the
Speaker 5: jet propulsion laboratories. It's like, dude, it really does all
Speaker 5: play together. Like these aren't just fictional stories. Like whenever
Speaker 5: we look at superhero shit, there's a reason why they're
Speaker 5: so expansive and so huge, because there are remnants of
Speaker 5: truth in there, but it's also intertwined with the occult
Speaker 5: at the same time.
Speaker 6: So sense.
Speaker 5: It's fascinating how all that works.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it makes sense. I mean, why not, right,
Speaker 6: why not put it right out in front, like the
Speaker 6: lionmen of whatever and they were real and like all
Speaker 6: these weird things, like you know they why not why
Speaker 6: not just put it out there and say superhero?
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean magic. The best magic is the
Speaker 5: shit that's right in your face that it is too
Speaker 5: obvious that you can't even notice that it's magic, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I love looking into all that
Speaker 5: kind of shit and you know, it's it's it's just
Speaker 5: awesome that that is a thing.
Speaker 6: Definitely got there. I did a whole my last Mormon
Speaker 6: Newer podcast is all about the magical world of Mormons
Speaker 6: and all the magic they did, like all all the
Speaker 6: actual magical practices instead of just and relics, actual pictures
Speaker 6: of the relics. So that's I mean, because it's weird
Speaker 6: and I like stuff like that too. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, dude, it's you know, these people were they're
Speaker 5: trying to take over the world by any means necessary.
Speaker 6: Well, that's for sure. We're going to get into that too,
Speaker 6: because uh yeah, these people started this, and let me
Speaker 6: tell you, it didn't stop. Like I said, they financed
Speaker 6: when they also and he's literally known as being Mormon backed,
Speaker 6: and now he's one of the most successful. And I
Speaker 6: just find all this really interesting that they made all
Speaker 6: these little companies underneath the main company, and then they
Speaker 6: put them all underneath a hospital, which is so smart
Speaker 6: because then it's a not for profit. And so, yeah,
Speaker 6: this happens and so and we'll get to the company
Speaker 6: to total part of the end, like about what happened
Speaker 6: with all that. But this guy was part of the
Speaker 6: main the main people at the beginning. And this guy
Speaker 6: is Senator Robert Foster Bennett. Well, this guy talk about interesting.
Speaker 6: I skipped on him at first because he wasn't one
Speaker 6: of the ones that automatically stood out like okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: they had him in his pocket or something right like
Speaker 6: that was all I thought. He wasn't the cool spy
Speaker 6: guy or pair tripping in so I kind of skipped
Speaker 6: on him, and this one I didn't. I went on
Speaker 6: a little deep dive and just to let people know
Speaker 6: he was actually the grandson of Heber J. Grant, one
Speaker 6: of the profits of the church.
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Speaker 4: Okay, let's say I don't know the name, but I
Speaker 4: feel like you've brought it up before.
Speaker 6: Yes, And he was a devout LDS and actually he
Speaker 6: started being a church chaplain for the LDS church in
Speaker 6: the Utah Army National Guard from nineteen fifty seven to
Speaker 6: sixty nine. And then all of a sudden, as many
Speaker 6: boys do when they're going off to war or on missions. Right,
Speaker 6: I think this is where they get picked up a
Speaker 6: little bit from the three letters. He comes back and
Speaker 6: he's all about this company, and he buys this company
Speaker 6: called the Mullen Company. Well, okay, so it's a PR
Speaker 6: relations director. And guess who He becomes relations director for Sumacor.
Speaker 6: So he has tied a hundred percent in with Sumacor.
Speaker 6: But not only is he tied in with Howard Hughes.
Speaker 6: He actually secretly worked underneath George Bush and he has
Speaker 6: made and he is also in the CIA, and he
Speaker 6: used the Molling Company actually is a front and he
Speaker 6: used it for the PR Agency for the Mormon Tabernacle
Speaker 6: Choir and so this traveling choir that they have, okay.
Speaker 6: And he actually got exposed in the Baker Report. And
Speaker 6: this was not good for him because he had an
Speaker 6: employee that you might recognize the name. And one of
Speaker 6: his employees' names was Howard Hunt. Do you know anything
Speaker 6: about Watergate?
Speaker 4: Episode on Watergate?
Speaker 6: So Howard Hunt is his employee, and he is like
Speaker 6: right in there deliberately trying to get rid of Nilsen
Speaker 6: or Nixon. And he is in the CIA, and he
Speaker 6: is also helping with Cuban psyops and like trying to
Speaker 6: get rid of Fidel Castro and all these crazy things
Speaker 6: that are happening. Okay, And so him and Baby Bush
Speaker 6: are like working directly or no, Papa Bush working directly together.
Speaker 6: And what comes up again, Howard Hughes.
Speaker 4: So George W.
Speaker 6: HW. Bush, through Zapota Oil, made the Mormon mafia leased
Speaker 6: him Islands from the Hughes CIA stuff that they had
Speaker 6: and they used it for raids to go raid Cuba.
Speaker 4: So wait, you're telling me this guy is the connection
Speaker 4: between the CIA and the Mormons at least like a
Speaker 4: hard line. That's confirmed through the report you said earlier,
Speaker 4: what was it?
Speaker 6: Well gay as well.
Speaker 4: So and you said that he was a chaplain and
Speaker 4: we're talking during the Vietnam War when we know for
Speaker 4: sure the CIA was doing sketchy shit all over South Asia,
Speaker 4: Southeast Asia? So did he deploy? Do we know if
Speaker 4: he actually deployed or he was just attached to that
Speaker 4: National Guard unit? Because either way it goes, I could
Speaker 4: see him that's a prime candidate in a very key
Speaker 4: place where there's already fuckery going down for him just
Speaker 4: kind of get snatched up as a little bit of
Speaker 4: an asset.
Speaker 6: I need to find out where he went with that.
Speaker 6: It just gives the timeframes of where he was. You know,
Speaker 6: from fifty seven to sixty nine that he was in
Speaker 6: the Utah Army National Guard and then all of a
Speaker 6: sudden he pops up for sumacor seventy four to seventy eight. Well,
Speaker 6: also obviously he runs for office and he makes it
Speaker 6: and he's in the Senate for twenty three years, and
Speaker 6: so nobody knew that he was really in the CIA,
Speaker 6: and nobody knew that Mayhew was even active still he
Speaker 6: was supposedly retired. And then Gay is actually like a paratrooper.
Speaker 6: So that's all been exposed now too. And so every
Speaker 6: single person that Howard Hughes is surrounded with at this point,
Speaker 6: even E. Perry Thomas is also in the CIA.
Speaker 4: Was this guy a pastor or a priest in the.
Speaker 6: Yes, he was a clergy So it just says in
Speaker 6: the chaplain because.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it was confirmed
Speaker 4: that he was. At least if you're a part of
Speaker 4: the clergy within the Mormon Church or the tapl Nacre Temple, whatever,
Speaker 4: then you have at least been vested through that level.
Speaker 4: Joining the military means that you have been background checked
Speaker 4: at least to that level. So especially if he had
Speaker 4: ambitions for any type of political office, that means he
Speaker 4: was already well connected before he got to the chaplain corps, right,
Speaker 4: So a National Guard chaplain corps at that that he
Speaker 4: didn't have to deploy, but he could serve his time,
Speaker 4: which would look great on his campaign slogan. I e.
Speaker 4: Anybody heard of Tim Walls with his crazy service quote
Speaker 4: unquote that he carried weapons and war, never left, never left.
Speaker 4: The thirty two years of service has never been deployed.
Speaker 4: There was a war for twenty two of those years.
Speaker 4: Never anyway anyway. So but that same way with this,
Speaker 4: he got snatched up at a very strategic time, told
Speaker 4: to play this game. Say these things, make these acquaintances.
Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, Sumacore, you're just that guy, you know, Okay.
Speaker 6: Well, and he actually didn't want to be a prophet.
Speaker 6: So his is the grandpa that was the prophet, and
Speaker 6: they only had one boy, and they kept saying, like,
Speaker 6: you're going to be the prophet someday. And I guess
Speaker 6: his grandpa used to scare him, he said, which goes
Speaker 6: to the point back to weird magic y stuff. He
Speaker 6: had the blackest eyes I've ever seen, and all he
Speaker 6: did was scare me. So all I wanted to do
Speaker 6: was be a businessman. So I definitely agree he made
Speaker 6: a path. He was wise about his choices, and he
Speaker 6: was getting connected up. And I one hundred percent think
Speaker 6: he did exactly what you said. So and nobody even
Speaker 6: exposed him until way later. And actually he was, so see,
Speaker 6: this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. He
Speaker 6: was in the Army National Guard. It just doesn't say
Speaker 6: whether or not where he went. Yeah, but if he's
Speaker 6: a liaison, doesn't he have to be deployed?
Speaker 5: Yes and no.
Speaker 4: I guess it really depends on well, yeah, if he
Speaker 4: deployed into Let's see, he was the company was for
Speaker 4: the Central Intellization. If he did deploy, and being a chaplain,
Speaker 4: that means that see chaplain, And I don't mean to
Speaker 4: talk shit about anybody of the clergy who has good noble.
Speaker 4: Chaplain's a part of the chaplain corp that's doing their
Speaker 4: job and being there for our service members. But that
Speaker 4: is a group that is very, very on their own.
Speaker 4: No one asks where's the chaplain at, or what they're doing,
Speaker 4: or if they're making their quotas, or if they're doing this,
Speaker 4: or are those reports five chaplin's doing chappy shit. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's out there, he's got a smile on his face.
Speaker 4: He's just out there shaking hands. He's there for the
Speaker 4: troops because that's where he belongs. Right now, to say
Speaker 4: that you got this one guy who's just kind of
Speaker 4: bebopping through Vietnam as a Mormon chaplain, blessings and praises
Speaker 4: to everybody and things. You know, he could very easily
Speaker 4: kind of sneak off into this tent, talk to these
Speaker 4: people this tent, Talk to these people, this tent. There's
Speaker 4: some liaison conversations happening here. But he's the chaplain. He's
Speaker 4: ministering to these dudes, and like everybody knows that they're
Speaker 4: spooks and like that's the government people, but like it's
Speaker 4: chappy dude, that's what he's making his rounds. It's and
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that was even a part of it.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's possible that he was like a good member
Speaker 4: of the clergy who joined to go to war and
Speaker 4: all that, and like he got snatched up over there.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but we know that he absolutely did
Speaker 4: because of the agencies he worked for later. So like
Speaker 4: at some point that tap on the shoulder happened, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Yes, it seems actually had to go to congressional hearing,
Speaker 6: so he's definitely out. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It seems like a front though, right like initially if
Speaker 5: you're looking at it, like all right, yeah, there are
Speaker 5: members of the of the chaplain and the whole because
Speaker 5: they're basically just they're the aren't chaplains? They're like the
Speaker 5: the on the road kind of priests, aren't they Basically?
Speaker 4: So, if you're any type of religion in the military,
Speaker 4: you have a chaplain that you go to. And although
Speaker 4: like you might have one Jewish chaplain, you might have
Speaker 4: one that's a Catholic chaplain or whatever. Not every base
Speaker 4: has a chaplain for all of the religions, right, So
Speaker 4: you might got one guy at your duty station, but
Speaker 4: he is supposed to be your like spiritual go to
Speaker 4: for all things. And if he's not gonna be able to, Like,
Speaker 4: let's say you're a Sikh and you're coming to in
Speaker 4: your base as a Catholic priest, the Sikh dude would
Speaker 4: go to the priest and be like, Hey, I'm having
Speaker 4: this issue or whatever. If nothing else, the priest would
Speaker 4: at least be able to get him in contact with
Speaker 4: somebody in the military of that religion that could help
Speaker 4: and like these things. Right, But typically on a big installation,
Speaker 4: as far as the Christian side goes, you'll have Catholic,
Speaker 4: you'll have Protestant boom boom, and that's the all encompassing
Speaker 4: Protestants basically Baptist, Pentecostal, Anglican, all of the things wrapped
Speaker 4: up into one. So it's kind of me. And then
Speaker 4: you have the Catholics, and then you might have a
Speaker 4: Jewish temple, you might have in certain states Mormon tabernacles
Speaker 4: or temples. I don't know what levels make what, but
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And you'll have these types
Speaker 4: of houses of worship. But you know it's not overlooked
Speaker 4: overseas when they're deployed. The chaplain is also kind of
Speaker 4: your homeboy. He's regardless of what faith you are, regardless
Speaker 4: of what faith, the chaplain is like he is there
Speaker 4: for troop morale. He is there to like give comfort
Speaker 4: and like aid in any way he can, and like
Speaker 4: if he's got a phone with some minutes and like
Speaker 4: if they don't have cell service hooks up, like maybe
Speaker 4: he could. It's it's stuff. It's the little things that
Speaker 4: keep the fight going in the trenches that like most
Speaker 4: people don't see. And then of course administering last rites
Speaker 4: things of that nature as well.
Speaker 5: But also I feel like, you know, it would probably
Speaker 5: be the most brilliant cover title to go and do,
Speaker 5: like you know, CIA type shit like undercover, Like who's
Speaker 5: gonna expect that guy to be doing that kind of work.
Speaker 5: It's almost like, yeah, you know, are our priest pedophiles
Speaker 5: before or during? You know what did they what did
Speaker 5: they get into it for it?
Speaker 4: But that's like she's saying, his grandfather was one of
Speaker 4: the Nine bro he was one of the prophets, right,
Speaker 4: so he was a part of that, like counsel at
Speaker 4: the highest high and he wanted his grandson to do that.
Speaker 4: But since his grandson's like, nah, David, fuck that. I
Speaker 4: just want to do my other thing and be money making,
Speaker 4: not this level of whatever, It's possible that his grandfather,
Speaker 4: being the prophet, said this man is ordained make him
Speaker 4: a priest immediately, and like boom, boom boom, he didn't
Speaker 4: even have to go to the steps. That makes sense, Okay, boom,
Speaker 4: your destiny is to go to the National Guard and
Speaker 4: all this. Maybe it was planned out from like when
Speaker 4: he graduated high school. Dude, It's you never know how
Speaker 4: deep these ties go, and especially whenever you see he
Speaker 4: has family connections in high places, then out of nowhere
Speaker 4: magically after his time during the Vietnam Morgan, I don't
Speaker 4: know if he deployed. We don't know, but at least
Speaker 4: after his time of service gets hooked up into an
Speaker 4: industry that's immediately CIA plugged. Somewhere between him graduating high
Speaker 4: school and the SUMA core that tap on the shoulder happened.
Speaker 4: It's very possible he was groomed for this at a
Speaker 4: even earlier age from his grandfather. Who knows.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't be that crazy. I mean there have been
Speaker 5: like people who have been groomed for certain positions, and yeah,
Speaker 5: he was like, it could be a plant. I could
Speaker 5: see that.
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Speaker 6: Sure, sure, I could see it. I could see it.
Speaker 6: And these guys were not above any of that because
Speaker 6: I'll tell you you know, all of these people were
Speaker 6: involved with not only JFK, but OURFK and all of
Speaker 6: the death that happened from that. So you know, you
Speaker 6: guys have done one on Watergate. You recognize the name,
Speaker 6: you know that the one guy that was the guy
Speaker 6: that led him to the pantry for RFK. So you know,
Speaker 6: these people are not above dirty, dirty deeds done dirt,
Speaker 6: not dirt cheap.
Speaker 4: No, they're not. And especially with the Watergate you see
Speaker 4: of how many of those people were actually working to
Speaker 4: frame or like set Nixon up. When all of these
Speaker 4: people that were caught in Watergate were a part of
Speaker 4: the committee to re elect the president aka the creep Right,
Speaker 4: which are a board of his plumbers which were sent
Speaker 4: out to find the leaks in his CIA agency. It
Speaker 4: was this whole thing that he was doing because he
Speaker 4: was paranoid. Little did he know the rats were in
Speaker 4: his own room. So it was wild things.
Speaker 6: That's the truth right there. And I mean, you know
Speaker 6: where we see all of these connections go and where
Speaker 6: they continue to go to this day and not only here,
Speaker 6: but this is going to connect up and I can't
Speaker 6: do it on this one, but on another one. These
Speaker 6: people when you said one world order, this is going
Speaker 6: to connect all of their religions and guess how they
Speaker 6: do it money through the rotary Club. Really, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 6: And there are receipts and and I can't actually bring
Speaker 6: those all today with this, but I will come back
Speaker 6: and tell you all about them.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you're always invited back here, Heidi. Even
Speaker 5: though it's been a year. I don't know what in
Speaker 5: our lives. You know, it made this beautiful union stretch
Speaker 5: across the fucking year where we don't talk, but it
Speaker 5: won't happen again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I love talking to you guys. And plus
Speaker 6: I always bring some weird stuff because my brain.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I was just thinking, dude, the
Speaker 5: last time we had Heidie on we were still in
Speaker 5: Christie Shop.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah you.
Speaker 4: Were, yeah, yeah, no, yes, yes, yeah, it's coming up
Speaker 4: on a year.
Speaker 5: Yes, something like that has been over.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 6: We've all been busy. That's okay, But I'm glad we
Speaker 6: made it happen, and we'll make it happen again because
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the Rotary club man. You know,
Speaker 6: everybody wants to think that the Catholics have it all.
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you guys, I don't know about
Speaker 6: that right now. And I think that possibly the Mormons
Speaker 6: may have pulled ahead in the money and they've twisted
Speaker 6: the arm of the Catholics just a little bit, and
Speaker 6: I'll prove it.
Speaker 2: But and that.
Speaker 4: Club it does Okay, I'm excited that episode happen.
Speaker 6: Yes it will, let's make it happen. And this even this,
Speaker 6: these things continue to this day. And funny enough, we're
Speaker 6: going to end up on reality TV by the end
Speaker 6: of this, like that's where this is going to go.
Speaker 6: Some of this ship. So yeah, this guy, you know,
Speaker 6: you know who this is. Everybody should know what's Met Romney?
Speaker 6: And enough, yes, how does Mitt Romney end up in
Speaker 6: this story? Like how how the hell does he play in? Well,
Speaker 6: this guy here is the other guy's son. So this
Speaker 6: is the gay junior junior gay okay, and he actually
Speaker 6: worked at Bain Company with Mitt Romney. And since they
Speaker 6: actually are a part of basically they they give micro
Speaker 6: loans and then they take people's companies, including like Toys,
Speaker 6: r US and a whole bunch of like horrible things
Speaker 6: like they're like, oh, yeah, you want the money, it
Speaker 6: will give you the money and then screw them over
Speaker 6: and everybody's business is falled. Loans for corporations pretty much
Speaker 6: business bank, gotcha micro lending and uh so this guy,
Speaker 6: Robert Robert Gay. He also so was pulling the right
Speaker 6: strings to go into I guess he wasn't like his
Speaker 6: dad and he wanted to actually be in the presidency.
Speaker 6: So he makes it to the Quorum of the seventy,
Speaker 6: so we have the Quorum of the twelve and then
Speaker 6: the Quorum of the seventy of the twelve Apostles is
Speaker 6: what they call him, and he Usually when you get
Speaker 6: to seventy years old, it's like you've made it and
Speaker 6: you don't get kicked out until you die, and then
Speaker 6: people have to wait for you to die to take
Speaker 6: your spot. And so this dude gets to seventy and
Speaker 6: they they're like.
Speaker 4: Bye, oh wow.
Speaker 6: So he got totally screwed, totally screwed, and it was
Speaker 6: because they found out how bad he was loan sharking
Speaker 6: with Mitt Romney and it was an embarrassment. And not
Speaker 6: only was that an embarrassment, there was some other financial
Speaker 6: dealings and the church was like, bruh, you know, we
Speaker 6: just can't wait.
Speaker 4: You're telling me he was doing Mitt Romney dirty or
Speaker 4: they had dirty business practices.
Speaker 6: They had dirty business practices.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, now, sense I mean, but you would think
Speaker 4: that the LEDs would be down with that as long
Speaker 4: as they were getting their cut, Like shylarking is like
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 6: I mean, they they just didn't like how it looked
Speaker 6: on paper, and they didn't really let him know, but
Speaker 6: they just kind of quietly retired him. And you have
Speaker 6: to think about it too, like think his dad's like
Speaker 6: a mogul, Like, yeah, he worked for Howard Hughes until
Speaker 6: so a little bit, this.
Speaker 4: Is what I'm saying, Like he bankrolled Howard Hughes's shit,
Speaker 4: So like what was this guy doing that was so
Speaker 4: bad that they were like and you're gone? Like whatever
Speaker 4: it was had to be, like they either a he
Speaker 4: was losing money, which could be or b they were
Speaker 4: bankrolling some actual, real egregious shit, which I don't put
Speaker 4: anything past anything anymore, honestly, really.
Speaker 6: Truly, but I will say this, I think it may
Speaker 6: possibly have been with his dad being gone at that
Speaker 6: point and then they don't owe him any favors, right
Speaker 6: like at that point, Like his dad actually worked for
Speaker 6: the company for like fifty something years until two thousand
Speaker 6: and six, and he died in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 6: and so.
Speaker 4: This guy got kicked out when I.
Speaker 6: Need to figure out the actual date, but it's right
Speaker 6: in there. I mean, he's seventy years old when he
Speaker 6: gets kicked out, so I'm gone by then. But you know,
Speaker 6: it's interesting to me that he kept going, and it's
Speaker 6: gonna be an interesting story of how he was able
Speaker 6: to keep going, because don't forget about Howard Hughes's fucked
Speaker 6: up will. Let's not forget about the thirty four year will.
Speaker 6: It took thirty four years to settle his will, and
Speaker 6: so yeah, we can even say that now, so say, yeah,
Speaker 6: thirty four years to fix this will. Because all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, these guys were like, oh, we have a
Speaker 6: handwritten copy of he was going to leave everything to
Speaker 6: the Mormon Church. And then this gay, the guy Gay,
Speaker 6: he was like, no, I didn't see that, because he's
Speaker 6: got a position he doesn't want to lose on this board.
Speaker 4: And so nobody was questioning the handwritten note that it
Speaker 4: was all to be left to the LDS, to which
Speaker 4: Howard Hughes was not a part of.
Speaker 6: They were all questioning everything because like five or six, seven,
Speaker 6: eight wills showed up in hand written and so then
Speaker 6: but this guy Gay could have come in and said,
Speaker 6: I actually saw him write it or something, or it
Speaker 6: was given to me personally by the same person that
Speaker 6: gave me everything, or whatever he had to say. But
Speaker 6: he did not want to lose his position. He had
Speaker 6: a sweet deal and he did not want to lose it.
Speaker 6: And so he was like, no, I don't remember that.
Speaker 6: I didn't hear anything about that because he ended up
Speaker 6: over the medical parts. So Howard Hughes's companies live on
Speaker 6: to this day. You know, did you guys say that?
Speaker 4: And some of them I figured still survived. I figured
Speaker 4: someone would have been sold or you know, lopped off
Speaker 4: into pieces or funded or whatever.
Speaker 6: Well, they have them all hidden underneath the Howard Hughes
Speaker 6: Medical Actually all of his planes got sold to Raytheon
Speaker 6: and Raytheon, you know, did what they did, so they
Speaker 6: own that. But then he has the Howard Hughes Medical Institution.
Speaker 6: And this was interesting to me, and I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 6: go more rabbit hole on this later. But it is
Speaker 6: the largest private funding biological and medical research place in
Speaker 6: the all of America. They spend one million per investigator
Speaker 6: per year on investments in BioMed, which totals up to
Speaker 6: eight hundred and twenty five million per year. They also
Speaker 6: have an endowment from like when he passed of twenty
Speaker 6: two point six billion dollars. WHOA yeah, B But I
Speaker 6: also think it's super interesting the things that they stuck.
Speaker 6: I thought, well, huh, I wonder what they're studying then
Speaker 6: over there at this little I'm interested in medical stuff.
Speaker 6: Let's see what they're studying. Human genetics, evolution, crisper technology, neuroscience,
Speaker 6: like all the things that you're kind of like.
Speaker 4: All the red flags.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that seems to be humans. Yeah, that seems
Speaker 5: to be something that the mormoncho has becomeing, you like,
Speaker 5: very familiar with as far as eugenics, right.
Speaker 4: Oh oh oh oh, which one of these things they own?
Speaker 4: Twenty three and me, what is it? Which one?
Speaker 6: Is interesting? Story? And I didn't put the snapshot in here,
Speaker 6: but I have an actual snapshot of the day that
Speaker 6: Diddy got arrested. Every single board member on twenty three
Speaker 6: and meters quit except for the main one, the CEO,
Speaker 6: and were chicky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that.
Speaker 6: Her sister was the one over YouTube and she suddenly
Speaker 6: died and right before that, and her son suddenly died
Speaker 6: right before that, Yeah, of an overdose.
Speaker 4: And so she was trying to sell the rights to
Speaker 4: people's genes, and they that's why she got cast. She
Speaker 4: was trying to sell into like what a Chinese company
Speaker 4: or some shit she was.
Speaker 6: I mean, she was up to definitely no good. But
Speaker 6: this leads all back to Mormons, because no, they don't
Speaker 6: own twenty three ande meters and no they don't own
Speaker 6: ancestry dot com. But the Mormons are obsessed with genealogy.
Speaker 6: In fact, if you're a good Mormon, you did your
Speaker 6: genealogy as far back as you could do it. And
Speaker 6: so this right here, what I'm showing you is a
Speaker 6: Batman cave. I call it the Batman Cave. This is
Speaker 6: called the Granite Genealogy Place where they keep all of
Speaker 6: the genealogy in Utah. And there's three point one billion
Speaker 6: pieces of genealogy information in here.
Speaker 4: Oh why why are.
Speaker 6: They doing that? You can't go in there. It's locked
Speaker 6: up like Fort Knox. It is crazy bananas, and the
Speaker 6: inside of it it looks like I have.
Speaker 4: A picture of it.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna pull it up in my older folder
Speaker 6: because you can't even describe it unless you see it
Speaker 6: for your own eyes, because it's literally crazy. It looks
Speaker 6: like Idiana Jones at the end. This is one corridor.
Speaker 5: Holy shit.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. So why are the Mormons so obsessed with genealogy?
Speaker 4: Right? When you say people's genetic information just curious fish
Speaker 4: out of water here? Do you mean like birth certificates
Speaker 4: or do you mean like a drop of blood for
Speaker 4: DNA samples? To what level and degree are we talking
Speaker 4: about here?
Speaker 6: So, for what I know, and believe me, they keep
Speaker 6: the top level at the top and you know the
Speaker 6: bottom feeders at the bottom. When you do the Mormon
Speaker 6: temple work, you have to have a copy of a
Speaker 6: birth certificate, a copy of the marriage certificate, a copy
Speaker 6: of the death certificate. All of the certificates that you've
Speaker 6: ever had in your life are basically compiled and in
Speaker 6: these little drawers. But does it make me, you know,
Speaker 6: you know me and my conspiratorial crazy mind, you know,
Speaker 6: I do the cabbage babies and all these things, and
Speaker 6: I often think, like, hmm, where do the Pkau test
Speaker 6: go from the babies when they're born, Like I'm just curious,
Speaker 6: Like you do them on every single baby that's ever ever,
Speaker 6: ever born, And they're on a litmus paper and they
Speaker 6: go through three. I've done them, and if they're not perfect,
Speaker 6: each circle perfect, they'll make you do it again. And
Speaker 6: they're on acid paper because acid paper doesn't deteriorate. That's
Speaker 6: why you use it for scrap booking and stuff. So
Speaker 6: does one of those go to the Vatican and one
Speaker 6: go to the Mormons and one go to the government?
Speaker 6: I mean they're three fold, you know, goes through the three.
Speaker 6: So that's just my conspiratorial mind. But these cupboards, oddly enough,
Speaker 6: are shaped almost the same shape as them. They're shaped
Speaker 6: like a bill, like a letter.
Speaker 4: Shape, like bank boxes over here. That's why I'm kind
Speaker 4: of asking if it's like there could be full on
Speaker 4: Dexter style like blood splotches in these in these little
Speaker 4: bank boxes. There could just be paperwork. And that's I
Speaker 4: was about to ask this next question. There could be
Speaker 4: four skins? Do the Mormons believe in circumcision, Yes they do,
Speaker 4: and that these are all the skins of of Utah.
Speaker 6: Don't forget. Also on the PKU test their shaped just
Speaker 6: like a letter, just like the box. They would fit
Speaker 6: perfectly in there.
Speaker 5: You know what this really really reminds me of. I'm
Speaker 5: a super I brought up the whole Marvel thing earlier.
Speaker 5: I'm a super Marvel nerd. And if anybody's seen the
Speaker 5: series called Loki on Disney, that that picture you just
Speaker 5: showed us, that the one that is inside the mountain there,
Speaker 5: it looks a lot like the TVA, which stands for
Speaker 5: the Time Variance Authority kind of thing. But just as
Speaker 5: far as the record keeping go, it just looks like
Speaker 5: it goes on for forever. Like that is crazy, the
Speaker 5: documentation of every single Mormon who's ever mormoned.
Speaker 6: No not just Mormons, no, everybody they ever baptized, including
Speaker 6: all the Jews and Hitler and everybody. Oh no, no.
Speaker 4: Well, so they only claim they only claim that it
Speaker 4: has all the genealogical records for the state. Now it
Speaker 4: probably has more for sure, but they only claim Utah right, no, no,
Speaker 4: what like justly claiming they have all of the genes
Speaker 4: for all of the world in there.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean they say genealogy, they don't say genes.
Speaker 6: That's my conspiratorial mind. But I will say this about Utah.
Speaker 6: Utah is a funny place.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 6: We have the NSA here, we have the IRS here,
Speaker 6: we have a big hilarfoce bace here. We also have
Speaker 6: the supercomputer that keeps all the information for like all
Speaker 6: the world for FBI anyway, and then we have the
Speaker 6: CIA here. So all of this stuff is located here.
Speaker 6: Would it surprise me if there were other things here
Speaker 6: like that? No? No, because the CIA, i've come to understand,
Speaker 6: is pretty synonymous with the Mormons. Oh and when you
Speaker 6: get into this, it doesn't stop at the Mormons and
Speaker 6: the CIA. This goes back to like Nazi Germany. There's
Speaker 6: some crazy stuff. There's some crazy stuff that I didn't
Speaker 6: mean to find. I didn't even I wasn't even trying.
Speaker 6: I mean, this was stuff I was looking for other things.
Speaker 6: But here's the thing about the Mormons, and they're kind
Speaker 6: of creepy people. So this knob on top of this
Speaker 6: coffin cane. Yes, I said coffin kane, because they dug
Speaker 6: up Joseph Smith and his brother and then after they've
Speaker 6: dug up, you know, their corpses where they'd been rotting
Speaker 6: for a significant amount of time and all disgusting. They
Speaker 6: took the wood from those coffins and then they made
Speaker 6: canes out of them with the juicy, gross crap all
Speaker 6: over them.
Speaker 4: What and then make religious relics where they come from
Speaker 4: bro And since this religion was literally came up from nowhere,
Speaker 4: this was their only prophet. This was their Jesus quote unquote,
Speaker 4: because Jesus was Jesus, but he's not. But what what
Speaker 4: do you call it? If they see him as their
Speaker 4: Savior's age? I mean basically it was the Mormon equivalent
Speaker 4: of the Savior. So like his coffin is now the
Speaker 4: quote unquote true cross got to make those relics.
Speaker 5: Bro was was Joseph Smith. He was seen as a
Speaker 5: prophet though, wasn't he He's called the prophet right.
Speaker 6: Yes, But they did it with his brother too, And
Speaker 6: then they cut their hair and put it in the knob.
Speaker 6: They braided it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's fucking weird.
Speaker 6: It's a wand that's a wand that's a want.
Speaker 4: That is coffin wood into a cane, hair from the
Speaker 4: corpse braided in the base of it. Tell me that's
Speaker 4: not Harry Potter with you break at the dragon heartstring
Speaker 4: in the mid Come.
Speaker 5: On, it's absolutely a magical relic. That's why you would
Speaker 5: do that. It's not because of sentimental value. Get the
Speaker 5: fuck out of here with that. That is magic.
Speaker 4: How many of these canes exist?
Speaker 6: There are hair Let me show you just one museum
Speaker 6: pick of many. Let's see. Oh it cut it off,
Speaker 6: there's many of them.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, these things have got to be like
Speaker 4: in Pick of Destiny, you combine them all and do
Speaker 4: a chant like you're gonna make some full on black
Speaker 4: hole open up.
Speaker 6: They actually said that in the end days they will
Speaker 6: use these because they'll be very significant. And also yeah, no, Also,
Speaker 6: since I've talked to you guys, like, I am certain
Speaker 6: now and I don't know, I'm not like a hundred
Speaker 6: on all magic. I just know this. I know that
Speaker 6: they definitely practicing solomonic magic, and I can show proof
Speaker 6: of it. But not only that.
Speaker 4: He was a high level mason, Joseph Smith.
Speaker 6: Actually, I think and I have a show about this.
Speaker 6: He was a high level mason, But it makes more
Speaker 6: sense to me that he was a martinist. I just
Speaker 6: barely did a show on Martinism and they incorporate both.
Speaker 6: And also his person that he looked up to and
Speaker 6: was all about, Luhman. Walters had just returned from France,
Speaker 6: so there's an obvious connection. And you know, he was
Speaker 6: a doctor, he was involved in occult studies. In fact,
Speaker 6: he was actually ran out of town for being an occultist,
Speaker 6: so it makes sense to me that he would have
Speaker 6: exposed him to this. And this is Joseph Smith's staff
Speaker 6: if you notice right here, he's got the crown, but
Speaker 6: of course there's three different entities on the top because
Speaker 6: they don't believe in the trinity. And then he's got
Speaker 6: his initials, but also he has this upside don't cross
Speaker 6: right there, which yep. And then this is the top
Speaker 6: of it because he's got a serpent staff just like Moses.
Speaker 4: I would say, is a serpent or is it an owl? No,
Speaker 4: that's a serpent. I see it now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's this scally bastard.
Speaker 6: I found some pretty cool stuff just looking around since,
Speaker 6: like I said, last time we've seen each other, and
Speaker 6: also this was my point on why we're in this folder.
Speaker 6: I'm going to open it now. My point on the
Speaker 6: Catholics and the Mormons a working together. But b we
Speaker 6: have to talk about the Mormons and their finances. Now.
Speaker 6: If you look up the enzyme peak scandal, and it's
Speaker 6: quite significant in its own little self, it tells you
Speaker 6: how much money they've put away for the end of
Speaker 6: the world, and this is what they can claim and
Speaker 6: what is proven. But we all know that's not real life.
Speaker 6: Do you want to take a shot at how much
Speaker 6: money was in that hedge fund.
Speaker 4: Or right? Total total? Jonathan, what you think.
Speaker 5: Twenty billion?
Speaker 4: M Okay, wait, what year was this report filed out?
Speaker 6: Not too long ago? Yeah, like like this year eighteen?
Speaker 6: I think maybe twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm gonna go to trillion.
Speaker 6: Ooh, he was closer one hundred and sixty plus billion
Speaker 6: over the end of the world brillion. And he is
Speaker 6: not mistakenly grabbing this key like he is. He is
Speaker 6: masonically gripping that key. And the reason why he's there
Speaker 6: holding the apostle Peter's hand and has the keys to
Speaker 6: the priesthood is because he has made a deal with
Speaker 6: Rome at this point and they were building a temple there,
Speaker 6: which they have never been able to do because the
Speaker 6: Catholics have blocked it and now they are neighbors.
Speaker 4: No wait wait, whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa wa whoa
Speaker 4: twenty eighth seen city of Rome has a Mormon temple.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, holy shit twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm they did that real quiet, like.
Speaker 4: Shut Pope, Francis, bro Frankie, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Money? Money, money this dude. Well, and here's a little
Speaker 6: fun thing that we'll do. So I would like to
Speaker 6: share with you another fun little trivia because we're going
Speaker 6: down this road. So who is the number one land
Speaker 6: owner for food in America?
Speaker 5: Bill Gates?
Speaker 4: Bill Gates?
Speaker 6: Do you know who the number two is?
Speaker 4: China?
Speaker 6: The Mormons?
Speaker 4: I actually did not know that. Wow.
Speaker 6: Do you want to know that? Not only are they
Speaker 6: in number two position, but want to guess the church's
Speaker 6: number one portfolio holding as of twenty twenty four?
Speaker 5: Uh, like a like a company in the stock market? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is it Blackrock or something like that?
Speaker 6: Microsoft?
Speaker 5: Of course is.
Speaker 6: You tell me who's working together? You know? So these
Speaker 6: are the top ten holdings of the Mormon Church as
Speaker 6: of twenty twenty four from Market business Insider dot com.
Speaker 6: Number one, Microsoft, two, Apple, three, Alphabet four, Amazon, five,
Speaker 6: Video six, Meta seven, United Health Group eight, MasterCard, nine
Speaker 6: JP Morgan and number ten is Tesla. And why would
Speaker 6: Tesla be on the list. Well, that's because of a
Speaker 6: guy named Jared Birchall, and I will pull up his
Speaker 6: photo right now, because Jared Birchall is an interesting character,
Speaker 6: much like our other characters in all of this game,
Speaker 6: where something doesn't belong you know, you see it and
Speaker 6: you're like, okay, why does this guy have this job?
Speaker 6: Basically right, like how did Gay the little Aaron boy
Speaker 6: become the corporation guy? Like? How did that happen? Well,
Speaker 6: sometimes these things just happen, right. Well, this is Jared
Speaker 6: Birchall and he is Elon Musk's number one guy. He
Speaker 6: is the CEO of Neuralink and he has been since
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. And he is a Mormon.
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, a Mormon is working on Neurallink.
Speaker 4: Yes, And of course the LEDs is bankrolling as much
Speaker 4: as they can. Yes.
Speaker 6: And this guy actually came He started it at Goldman
Speaker 6: Sachs and then went to Merrill Lynch, of course he did.
Speaker 6: But then he worked at Morgan Stanley and then he
Speaker 6: founded He became an executive with musk of a certain corporation.
Speaker 6: I love the name of this corporation because it tells
Speaker 6: you a lot. He became the executive at something called
Speaker 6: the Boring Co boring as in boring the earth like tunnels,
Speaker 6: and that was their job, is tunnel construction.
Speaker 5: Oh that's right, because the Boring Company went to Las
Speaker 5: Vegas first, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just talk about them, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: Recently we talked about lithium reserves that were just recently found.
Speaker 4: And if you look at who just bought rights to
Speaker 4: things that, yeah, you know, yeah, interesting times.
Speaker 6: Brother nice, right, very very nice. And what they don't
Speaker 6: have in common, they do have in common together with
Speaker 6: the Rotary Club. And when it doesn't fit together in
Speaker 6: one way, everybody wants to say it's masonry. There's a
Speaker 6: better fit, my friends. I mean, I'm not saying masonry
Speaker 6: doesn't help, but I'm just saying that there's a lot
Speaker 6: more going on. Okay, not to mention the fact that
Speaker 6: here we have the Lasting Companies are what again, they're
Speaker 6: providing human genetics and evolution studies with crisper gene editing. Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Just don't understand the the the obsession with genes in genealogy,
Speaker 5: eugenics and all that kind of stuff. It like in
Speaker 5: my mind, I think, all right, well, the only reason
Speaker 5: why you'd be that obsessed is because you believe that
Speaker 5: there are a certain type of people that have a
Speaker 5: very specific gene that you might be able to manipulate
Speaker 5: in some kind of way. Maybe there's like a superhuman
Speaker 5: gene or something like that, maybe there's the.
Speaker 4: Maginulate or more like, yeah, because we in certain actually
Speaker 4: you know, in religious and occult and name your thing.
Speaker 4: There's power in blood lineage.
Speaker 6: Yes, And one time, I don't know when it was,
Speaker 6: I gotta find the quote Joseph Smith said he came
Speaker 6: from the line of Jesus. Of course Jesus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the people believe that Jesus got married to
Speaker 4: Mary Magdalene and had kids.
Speaker 6: And wait, but the Mormons won't say that nowadays. They would,
Speaker 6: you know, call that heresy now. But also they also
Speaker 6: said col op doesn't exist, and like you don't get
Speaker 6: the wives, and you know, the black people thing wasn't true,
Speaker 6: and you know, they say a lot of it now.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was I was gonna say, Malkisa dec
Speaker 5: but it's a Maravingian bloodline. The mayor Ofvingian bloodline is
Speaker 5: said to be the blood line of Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep. And so yes, Mormons are. And it's interesting
Speaker 6: to me because you know, if you've ever been to
Speaker 6: Utah or if you've ever been in a large congregation
Speaker 6: of Mormon people that hail from the settlers, Okay, we
Speaker 6: look amazingly similar. I mean a lot of us look
Speaker 6: very similar. So I don't know, maybe they're messing with
Speaker 6: jeans way before we came along.
Speaker 4: Like you mean, like breeding. I mean you said wid
Speaker 4: set eyes and things like that. That's something that's also
Speaker 4: very indicative of the Amish, who are also very very
Speaker 4: known for their inbreeding, at least nowadays. That's like not
Speaker 4: a thing that people thought about apparently up until like
Speaker 4: a decade ago. And it's like, y'all, there's only seven
Speaker 4: families that started this? How many how many times y'all
Speaker 4: think this happened?
Speaker 6: True? True? That? Or it's also one of the markers
Speaker 6: for the nephale so we could always talk about that.
Speaker 5: So the Mormons, you're saying pretty much all look alike.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, there's certain families that do resemble each
Speaker 6: other quite a lot. There's the darker Mormons and there's
Speaker 6: the lighter Mormons. Most of us look very fair, not
Speaker 6: like totally blonde, but like his color blonde without the gray,
Speaker 6: you know, the dirty blonde, and like light eyes, light skin,
Speaker 6: very light, or they're just like light skin with brown hair,
Speaker 6: brown eyes.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, there's like racism of white people within Mormonism.
Speaker 6: Is that not what Hitler was doing you per se? No,
Speaker 6: that's just the settlers. Like some looked like the settler
Speaker 6: and some look like that settler. Like some were Welsh. Yeah,
Speaker 6: some were Welsh and they have the light skin and
Speaker 6: the dark hair. So I think you know, Welsh was
Speaker 6: one of the number one and that makes sense if
Speaker 6: you know a lot about magic too, So I mean
Speaker 6: it's interesting, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought you were taking more like a Japanese approach.
Speaker 4: Like in Japan they think you're like of higher calibers
Speaker 4: that means you work in the city. Or if you
Speaker 4: were darker skin, that means you're lower caliber because that
Speaker 4: means you work in the field. Well, I thought it
Speaker 4: was something like that.
Speaker 11: My bad.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, no, I mean you're not wrong, because
Speaker 6: I will say this at one time. I mean, if
Speaker 6: you had one drop of you know, dark skinned like
Speaker 6: black people in your blood, you you were damned for
Speaker 6: all eternity. So I mean they said sorry though.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, at least they apologized.
Speaker 6: My niece is black. So every time I'm like, you
Speaker 6: can go to hell. That is the worst thing I've
Speaker 6: ever heard, Like, oh yeah, and not only that, but
Speaker 6: like they do it with the Native Americans, they do
Speaker 6: it with a lot of people, and it just is yucky,
Speaker 6: you know, it's just yeah. So some of these companies
Speaker 6: ended up combining together, and some of these very important
Speaker 6: Mormon families combined together and create these corporations that continue
Speaker 6: throughout this day. So you know, part of this whole
Speaker 6: money situation that they left right because they still did
Speaker 6: get a piece after the will was settled. All of
Speaker 6: his little helpers got a tiny piece. But the tiny
Speaker 6: piece is big when you're talking about Howard Hughes, you
Speaker 6: know this has been tiny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of watermelon is a lot more
Speaker 4: than one hundred percent of a grape, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Like it's we're talking different levels.
Speaker 6: So if you lived in Utah or maybe if you've
Speaker 6: heard of this before, but Huntsman is a very big
Speaker 6: deal name out here, the Huntsman Center, the Huntsman Institute,
Speaker 6: the Huntsman This, the Huntsman that. So this is the
Speaker 6: Huntsman Gay Global Capital, and so this is the companies
Speaker 6: that merge together. And they are still going strong to
Speaker 6: this day. They're very big they I mean, they make
Speaker 6: tons of money still and funny enough, you know, I
Speaker 6: started noticing some weird little things on TV. I would
Speaker 6: watch these dumb shows because people are like, did you
Speaker 6: watch the Mormon slupt Moms? And I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 6: I don't have this, you know, I don't have time for.
Speaker 4: What is happening with reality TV. Jonathan, You and I
Speaker 4: have talked about this quite a few times lately. What's
Speaker 4: classified as quote unquote entertainment and reality TV. Here's a
Speaker 4: group of Mormon moms and they're swingers, like tada, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's the plot that's not supposed to happen, is it.
Speaker 4: It's only the guys that are supposed to be slaying
Speaker 4: you know, many pood.
Speaker 6: Nobody's supposed to do it anymore unless you're in polygamy.
Speaker 6: And then on top of it, like it's a whole thing,
Speaker 6: and then they're not supposed to actually have sex, but
Speaker 6: they I guess dry hump. I don't know what the
Speaker 6: hell they're doing, Like, dude, are.
Speaker 4: They docking or what's it called soaking? Probably Mormon swingers
Speaker 4: are soaking. That's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 6: It's weird. And I'll tell you this lady, right, Oh
Speaker 6: want to ha? So Heather Gay, she's on the Real
Speaker 6: Housewives of Saltlake City. Do you recognize the last name.
Speaker 5: Oh, she's a bad Mormon.
Speaker 6: Right, she's a gay because we've talked a lot about
Speaker 6: the gay family tonight.
Speaker 4: That's her married name or her maiden name.
Speaker 6: That is her married name. But this is her quote
Speaker 6: and this is her ex husband. They're divorced now. She
Speaker 6: said the gay family is worth billions, and I quote,
Speaker 6: so I basically married into Mormon royalty. This is the
Speaker 6: third Gay, the third William Gay. So I showed you
Speaker 6: the first one in Las Vegas. The second one was
Speaker 6: the guy that made it to the quorum of the
Speaker 6: seventy that got kicked out, And this is the third one.
Speaker 6: And he's very quiet. You can't find out a ton
Speaker 6: about him, but this picture is of him her herself.
Speaker 6: She's worth one point seven million off of her stuff
Speaker 6: that she does.
Speaker 4: Well, he's like a trust fund baby at this point.
Speaker 4: He didn't have to go to work.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, And he stays out of the limelight completely, and
Speaker 6: so you know, she's she's out there, but he's like, nah,
Speaker 6: I don't. I'm not trying to be out there. And
Speaker 6: I think that because he got smart. You know, look
Speaker 6: at what happened to his dad. I mean, getting kicked
Speaker 6: out right at the end there. That's not the best thing.
Speaker 4: All this shit with the wife. I think he was
Speaker 4: he was securing his future by cutting bait when he
Speaker 4: did very wise decisions.
Speaker 5: Also, let's look at it like this. Anybody who's seen
Speaker 5: Game of Thrones, right, Like there's uh, there was the
Speaker 5: the brother fucking the sister, and all the babies came
Speaker 5: out blonde, right, And that dude has no blonde in
Speaker 5: him at all, but all his babies are all blonde.
Speaker 5: I don't know, dude, Like.
Speaker 6: He's blonde in Utah, I swear, But.
Speaker 5: I mean that's what I'm saying, dude, you got genealogy,
Speaker 5: you got blonde hair. People, This is fucking this might
Speaker 5: be some New Hitler kind of shit.
Speaker 6: Green, Uh, you're not wrong. Do you want to know
Speaker 6: that one of the people that came to Nazi Germany's
Speaker 6: rescue actually when the whole thing was over was the Mormons.
Speaker 6: The Mormons actually helped him Project paper Clip, and the
Speaker 6: Mormons actually are quite sympathetic to the whole situation.
Speaker 12: So yeah, well, yeah, I mean their view on eugenics,
Speaker 12: their view blood lineage, their view of racism up until
Speaker 12: only a few decades ago.
Speaker 4: That you're there, Okay, I can see where that checks out.
Speaker 5: And I imagine that you probably want to eliminate people
Speaker 5: who have similar but very differing beliefs at the same time, right,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: Notorious record God's chosen people. Clearly these gold tablets say
Speaker 4: we're the gods chosen people. One of us is wrong, right.
Speaker 5: Well, they both want to be seen as the notorious notekeepers,
Speaker 5: right like they're the ones that they got all the genealogy,
Speaker 5: they got fucking crazy hallways full of notes and everything
Speaker 5: that is something that like you would expect from the
Speaker 5: Jewish nature.
Speaker 4: And let's forgets for sure.
Speaker 6: Let's yeah, let's not forget about the Gates connection, because
Speaker 6: if you if you look at Gates, everybody always wants
Speaker 6: to say, well, his dad was a eugenesis truly he was.
Speaker 6: But I've got a whole show on eugenics and the
Speaker 6: Mormons fit into it and this whole situation. But interesting enough,
Speaker 6: do you guys know about his mom? Do you know
Speaker 6: about Gate's mom?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 5: She was the one that created the abortion clinic?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, that was his dad. That was his dad.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but parenthood. Wait so Margaret Sanger, damn it,
Speaker 4: there was a connection is somewhere with that.
Speaker 6: She's completely unknown. But this woman, she worked for IBM.
Speaker 6: And do you know what IBM has to do with
Speaker 6: the Holocaust.
Speaker 4: They were the ones that were categorizing the numbers at
Speaker 4: the concentration.
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely they were. And do you know there's a
Speaker 6: Foya Doca document from nineteen eighty four where the Mormons
Speaker 6: actually asked to see IBM stuff on all of that.
Speaker 6: It's gone. I can't find it, he can find it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know anybody has that request. But that
Speaker 4: is that's absolutely a real thing. If you look at
Speaker 4: what IBM was kind of majoring in. They made the
Speaker 4: Enigma machine, which crypto cryptolized excuse me, all the German
Speaker 4: communication as well as it was their machines that was
Speaker 4: calculating and categorizing all of the tattooed people in the
Speaker 4: concentration camps. Those numbers went into a data bank. This
Speaker 4: was the earliest form of computing.
Speaker 6: Oh, I did it for their sexuality, their everything, everything, Yes,
Speaker 6: and this this was critical that his mom worked at IBM,
Speaker 6: you know, and then you go, why why the hell
Speaker 6: do the Mormons care about like IBM shit? But then
Speaker 6: you understand once you look into things more, because you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: got it. Just like I used to laugh and Jonathan
Speaker 6: will laugh at this one because he knows enough about
Speaker 6: esoteric shit. And I used to think Brigham Young was
Speaker 6: crazy because he said people lived on the sun, and
Speaker 6: so you know, Joseph Smith said people lived on the moon. Well,
Speaker 6: if you know anything about Rosicrucian teachings and stuff, then
Speaker 6: you go, ah, okay, okay, okay, you know, like, but
Speaker 6: I didn't know that then, so it didn't make any
Speaker 6: sense to me. So some people will just laugh and
Speaker 6: say maybe it was or maybe he was just guessing.
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, he just knew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all these people they come from they claimed that
Speaker 5: they came from other planets and stuff. We it was
Speaker 5: like a month or two ago, we talked about the
Speaker 5: prophet Yakub, and he was basically saying that he came
Speaker 5: from the moon, right.
Speaker 4: Well, he was saying that all humans which from their religion.
Speaker 4: The trial of Shabaz, which was one of the thirteen
Speaker 4: tribes of black people that originated from the Moon, came
Speaker 4: to this planet like sixty six million years ago. I
Speaker 4: think the Nuavian nation of Morris says thirty three trillion
Speaker 4: years ago, something along these lines. And yeah, Yakub, through
Speaker 4: overly forced eugenics over six hundred years, was able to
Speaker 4: go from black to brown, to yellow to red or
Speaker 4: red to yellow to white. All that in six hundred
Speaker 4: years of just forced eugenics on the island of what
Speaker 4: we now call Patmos in Greece, which is a fucking
Speaker 4: rock whatever.
Speaker 6: And Joseph Smith liked to talk about how if we
Speaker 6: would be around natives, we could make them more white
Speaker 6: and delightsome. Sound familiar, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Whitewashing seen.
Speaker 6: But you know, he was a Martinist. I am certain
Speaker 6: he had listened to Pasquale's stuff. I do a whole
Speaker 6: thing about Martinism about this because he knew too much.
Speaker 6: They want to say he's a dumb farm boy. Get
Speaker 6: out with that. That's not true.
Speaker 4: No, No, he couldn't become a thirty third degree Mason
Speaker 4: by being a dumb farm boy. I don't care what
Speaker 4: age we're talking, like, what year we're talking about. You
Speaker 4: don't get to that upper echelon of old boys club
Speaker 4: without being well connected and well committed to whatever the
Speaker 4: cause is. Well to mention he being a part. Like
Speaker 4: you said, I'd never heard that he was a martinist before.
Speaker 4: I'm going to look into that way, but I mean
Speaker 4: something he would he would combine these two types of
Speaker 4: occult thinking, right, to make something new, something hip, something
Speaker 4: in the world's never seen before, and then to mix
Speaker 4: that in with his whole I forget what it was called,
Speaker 4: not pot tanning, but like when you would look in
Speaker 4: a hat and predict people's futures, right, that was a
Speaker 4: whole type of con man.
Speaker 5: Yep, that was it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, scrying, And that was popular around New York
Speaker 4: where he was from. So you combine all of these
Speaker 4: things and then he comes up with some story that
Speaker 4: he writes down. Then his buddy writes it down, but
Speaker 4: it's gonna be slightly different than the original story because
Speaker 4: God's mad at us, and like when you see it
Speaker 4: all laid out, it's like, yeah, your boy kind of
Speaker 4: took some notes from some other groups, or.
Speaker 6: Maybe he channeled those things here because of his parchments,
Speaker 6: which I definitely think he did, because in Martinism, honestly,
Speaker 6: they use those and they make these grimoires to channel
Speaker 6: things and when you look at them, so this is
Speaker 6: what martin has say that you should commune with the angels. Well,
Speaker 6: one there was three people that were involved in this,
Speaker 6: but one guy was like, don't talk to the angels.
Speaker 6: They fucking lie because I think something scared him. And
Speaker 6: so John d almost got Jonathan Good there.
Speaker 5: It almost soaked my computer and coffee with that.
Speaker 4: And so then the he was that white kid at
Speaker 4: the little seance where when the candle flickered, he's like, no, guys,
Speaker 4: we're going.
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, that's the people that are dely afraid
Speaker 5: of using ouiji boards and tarot cards and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Like that would be me. I'd be that kid, for sure.
Speaker 6: I'm that kid. I love finding out about it, but
Speaker 6: actual application, I'm like, I'm okay, I'll be in the corner.
Speaker 4: But as I'm clowning it, like my first and only
Speaker 4: instinct'd be a douse it with water and be like
Speaker 4: in the name of Jersu's like yo, no fuck that.
Speaker 6: But I mean there's power in these things, and I'm
Speaker 6: wise enough to know, like you know, you don't always
Speaker 6: want to sushim unless you know what the hell you're doing.
Speaker 6: That's the first rule of solomonic magic, by the way,
Speaker 6: like don't do the things you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 6: Even practitioners will tell you this, So it kind of
Speaker 6: it kind of makes sense to me. Plus knowing that
Speaker 6: he was a master Mason, but he wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 6: thirty third And it doesn't make a lot of sense
Speaker 6: with the time frame because the Scottish right had only
Speaker 6: barely been reorganized, like what fifty years, whereas the French
Speaker 6: rights if you go to Martinism, it was way older.
Speaker 6: Like what it makes way more sense, and it has
Speaker 6: way more to do with Rosicrucianism, and it makes way
Speaker 6: more sense when they're actually practitioners. He's actually summoning like
Speaker 6: things like I'll reopen this other folder. When he's summoning
Speaker 6: these things, he's using on these sigils, like stuff from
Speaker 6: Sibley's Book of Witchcraft, like these are the things he's using.
Speaker 4: Not It makes perfect sense to me because, like you said,
Speaker 4: Scottish Right had just reorganized, but your right, which is
Speaker 4: more of the Knights templar rosa Crucian Christian esoteric route,
Speaker 4: it would make sense that he was also a Martinist.
Speaker 4: These things I think would tie in because Scottish rites
Speaker 4: more of the Shriners and they go into the more
Speaker 4: Eastern philosophies and that type of thing. So who's to
Speaker 4: say maybe he didn't have any real Masonic uh you know, influences.
Speaker 4: Maybe that was just a thing, Okay, he joined once
Speaker 4: upon a time.
Speaker 6: Well, the Martinists use both, so they are actually Masons
Speaker 6: that are actually occult magic practitioners together, so it makes
Speaker 6: so much more sense. But because here you can see
Speaker 6: and you guys, you know Martinez say two times a
Speaker 6: year you can commune with the spirits if you do
Speaker 6: it correctly, and and it's on the fall equinox and
Speaker 6: on the spring equinox. Well, when did Joseph Smith get
Speaker 6: the Book of Mormon? Supposedly it was on the fall equinox.
Speaker 5: Period of course, right around Halloween, where the veil is
Speaker 5: at its thinnest.
Speaker 6: Do you know what his dad's his dad's dad's name.
Speaker 6: I finally found his grandpa's name. Do you want it
Speaker 6: is not a Christian name? And I don't think anyone
Speaker 6: that I know that's a Christian would name their kid Azel.
Speaker 4: Oh man Aziel or like not as.
Speaker 6: Azel, but damn close yeah.
Speaker 4: Zaiel, damn. I thought it was gonna be Lucifer. For
Speaker 4: a crazy as second, I thought that was about to
Speaker 4: be it.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, closely enough, right. It was kind
Speaker 6: of surprising, like I was like, whoa, what the hell? Like,
Speaker 6: here it is. Here's the document, just so people don't
Speaker 6: think I'm full of shit.
Speaker 5: Father Joseph Smith Senior born July twelfth, seventeen seventy one
Speaker 5: at Topsfield, Massachusetts. Azael and Mary, Oh, how about that?
Speaker 6: Solomon and Solomon back?
Speaker 5: Oh man, how many.
Speaker 6: Solomons do you know that are Scottish back then?
Speaker 5: I don't know any Solomons personally.
Speaker 6: But Solomons aren't. That's a curious name for a supposed
Speaker 6: Scottish person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Scotland is very very Catholic and they
Speaker 4: were back in this year. Unders for sure. At least
Speaker 4: that was during well, depending on what section of Scotland
Speaker 4: they came from, if they were part of the Highlands,
Speaker 4: and they may have held onto Highland traditions and culture.
Speaker 4: This is around the time of claudeum more. Uh true?
Speaker 6: Or he could have been Jewish. Would be a kicker,
Speaker 6: wouldn't that mean.
Speaker 4: If he was Southern Scottish he may have been more
Speaker 4: of the English side. But even still you're talking Anglican Church.
Speaker 4: You're talking, yes, I mean Solomon's not a name you
Speaker 4: typically hear from that region. That's true.
Speaker 5: Oh, hold on, I just searched it up. The al
Speaker 5: or Ozel, however, you as a e l if you
Speaker 5: look it up. It is a Hebrew word meaning made
Speaker 5: by God. It's a Hebrew name, but it is It
Speaker 5: is initially described in the Book of Enoch a l
Speaker 5: as a fallen angel in the Book of Enoch, Right.
Speaker 4: That's what Which is that? That's another one? But yeah, right, Isaiah,
Speaker 4: I think was the angelic name. Did he become Isazel
Speaker 4: when he fell? Or is those two separate ones? Honestly
Speaker 4: I lose track.
Speaker 6: Boy, I can't remember that, but I do. I do
Speaker 6: know that the one was fallen and he's obviously this
Speaker 6: is one symbol on some of the Leman's that he had,
Speaker 6: and these are calling down specifically to specific things, you know.
Speaker 6: He he's calling down so certain things, and even on
Speaker 6: one of his other things that he has, like when
Speaker 6: you go to the knife, which are all magic practitioner tools.
Speaker 6: And I don't really give a shit, like if they
Speaker 6: want to practice magic, knock yourself out. Don't here, but
Speaker 6: quit lying to sweet old grandmas that just seem they're
Speaker 6: going to heaven, like just say the truth, you know,
Speaker 6: and and maybe they would have more people like who knows.
Speaker 6: But when they're talking about the seal and intelligence of Mars,
Speaker 6: when you're it sounds like nothing right there. Okay, that
Speaker 6: just sounds like okay, big deal. Intelligences are demons, they're
Speaker 6: they're lower level. And so when you're talking about this
Speaker 6: stuff in solomonic magic and you're talking about grimoires and
Speaker 6: you're talking about all this stuff, and I am not look,
Speaker 6: I am a researcher, but I am not the all
Speaker 6: knowing on the doctor. Steven Skinner has an amazing book
Speaker 6: on this stuff. He has multiple books on this stuff.
Speaker 6: You know, check it out. It's great. But like you'll
Speaker 6: understand more from those things or just you know, read
Speaker 6: other the lesser keys of Solomon and the greater but
Speaker 6: it scares people. So I mean, if you want to
Speaker 6: look at those ones, it do.
Speaker 5: But look this this dagger. This is something that you
Speaker 5: know is often used within witchcraft and magic all along.
Speaker 5: It isial, it's in its ceremonial name. Whi's uh. It's
Speaker 5: a double sided or it's the knife that is sharp
Speaker 5: on both on both sides, right, But it's called an antheme.
Speaker 5: They use that almost like a magical wand so to
Speaker 5: say yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, sacrifice is depending on the vibe.
Speaker 6: He was known to sacrifice not only dogs, but sheep
Speaker 6: and different things to bleed around the circle to summon
Speaker 6: the treasure angels.
Speaker 4: So I mean Smith was, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 6: I've heard a lot since I chatted to you guys.
Speaker 6: I wished I had the picture of Mammon on here
Speaker 6: on the mam and seal and then the Melkezedic seal.
Speaker 6: If you want to pull it up, do Melkezedic Priestood
Speaker 6: Seal LDS and then do the seal of Mammon on
Speaker 6: the later Lesser and Greater keys.
Speaker 4: Sacrificing sheep is one thing. Did you say dogs?
Speaker 6: Dogs he killed? Yep?
Speaker 4: Fuck Joseph smith Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah that was bad. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yo, I don't have many rules in life, but don't
Speaker 4: fuck with the dogs man.
Speaker 6: Hot dogs. You're right, it's literally the.
Speaker 4: Reason, like okay, multiple people do that.
Speaker 6: Like man, it's.
Speaker 5: Literally the reason why John Wick became a thing. You
Speaker 5: fuck with the dog dude, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I'm telling well, then they they practice mirror magic. This
Speaker 6: is the mirrors that I described to you guys the
Speaker 6: last time, but I didn't have a photo of that.
Speaker 6: Go on forever creating a portal. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 6: Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: The more I learn, I'm like, listen, the top three percent,
Speaker 6: they know, they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Many a changing room has just many portals. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: naked people just in it. It's wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's crazy to me. I'm like, that's actually the
Speaker 6: altar you lean over right here when you're getting married
Speaker 6: with the mirrors like that, While you're leaning over an
Speaker 6: altar saying you're gonna be with somebody for time and
Speaker 6: all eternity, are you summoning possibly?
Speaker 5: Wow, Well you get married, you know as far as
Speaker 5: like the uh, holding a mirror up against a mirror
Speaker 5: and looking at all or making it all look kind
Speaker 5: of interdimensional or portal like. That is scrying, Like that's
Speaker 5: a that's a version of scrying that essentially you would
Speaker 5: be you would look into. There's many different kinds of scrying.
Speaker 5: There's not only one kind, but one of the ways
Speaker 5: would be mirror magic, where essentially you stare into like
Speaker 5: a little handheld mirror or something like that, and supposedly
Speaker 5: if you stare into a mirror long enough in a
Speaker 5: very dimly lit room, your mind or your eyes or
Speaker 5: something will start to play tricks on you and you'll
Speaker 5: start to see like crazy shit happen around.
Speaker 6: You night, John d Yeah, like a Kelly right, like
Speaker 6: just like all of that too. Yes, And then this
Speaker 6: one I found really curious, Like you know, okay, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna say this is conjecture. This is again my mind
Speaker 6: going wild. But you see, Okay, So whenever you're working
Speaker 6: with a spirit, and this is a pentacle and a pentagram,
Speaker 6: but this has the seal around it naturally with the window,
Speaker 6: it's actually sealed. And when they're sealed like that, you're commanding.
Speaker 6: You're commanding something, you're not asking, you're not saying, hey, Gabriel,
Speaker 6: come help me out or something something like that. You're
Speaker 6: saying you will do this, and then this one is
Speaker 6: more open, you know, and also it's inverted. So what
Speaker 6: if you know, there's there's certain things that mean certain things.
Speaker 6: And when I was looking these up, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: so we bring all these names and we do all
Speaker 6: this stuff in the temple, and then you know, we
Speaker 6: go in these mirrors and we make these portal things
Speaker 6: and whatever we're doing here. But what if the one
Speaker 6: is commanding the spirits to come, because that's a command,
Speaker 6: and then they're locking them in there with all these.
Speaker 5: Names, it could be well as far as and you know,
Speaker 5: I look into a bunch of magic and divination and
Speaker 5: all that kind of shit, and what I've learned is
Speaker 5: is that typical like magic practitioners. I'm not saying, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's Jacob believes that the majority of the
Speaker 5: real magic practitioners are calling upon Satan, which I guess
Speaker 5: there are a there's a lot, there's a I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna say a majority, but there is a high percentage
Speaker 5: of people that are using it for sutanic witchcraft and whatnot.
Speaker 5: But typically a magic practitioner, whenever they're using the pentagram,
Speaker 5: it's not necessarily to call upon the dark Lord. It's
Speaker 5: only when you invert it like that and you have
Speaker 5: it upside down, because how it goes is is that
Speaker 5: the pinnacle, like typically like a traditionally upright kind of start,
Speaker 5: has the one point pointing towards you know, up or
Speaker 5: God or Heaven or whatever, right, But whenever you have
Speaker 5: it down, you're essentially pointing to Hell and you're calling
Speaker 5: upon those deities. And so they say, like, you're opening
Speaker 5: up a fucking portal of which these entities are not
Speaker 5: looking out for your best interests. But I guess if
Speaker 5: you're trying to call upon that for you know, evil
Speaker 5: means and stuff like that, I mean, hey, I guess
Speaker 5: you need all the help you can get.
Speaker 6: But then what if it's all the work and the
Speaker 6: necromancy happening with all this dead people's stuff the mo
Speaker 6: Mormons do in there. You know, we're baptizing for the dead,
Speaker 6: we're marrying for the dead, We're doing all this for
Speaker 6: the dead, and then they're trapped there. Why these people
Speaker 6: think they're actually helping their family members, but actually it's
Speaker 6: harnessing it's a huge loose grab for the freaking top
Speaker 6: the top percentages that know what it's for.
Speaker 5: Definitely lush gathering, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 6: And because what is the profit of the church called
Speaker 6: profit seer and revelator, Well, what does necromancy get you? Revelation?
Speaker 6: He's one hundred years old, he's part of school in bones.
Speaker 6: Like come on, you know, there's some things that you're
Speaker 6: just like, really, this one's too easy, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean? Yeah, like not with him, Like this is
Speaker 6: one of the signs we make in the temple and
Speaker 6: right here and look at the hand. Okay, Jona that
Speaker 6: you might catch this. I'll go to the next. But
Speaker 6: like it's I mean, come on.
Speaker 4: So it's supposed to mean Typhonian.
Speaker 6: Typhonion, and and that's this is older than the Oto.
Speaker 6: Mormonism is older than the Oto, so it has to
Speaker 6: be more ancient. But that's why I always do the
Speaker 6: conjecture about Martinism, not necessarily that they're doing I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know nefarious things, but there are This is
Speaker 6: a real Martinist picture. Now they are darker practitioners, they
Speaker 6: say they are. I mean they don't care. I mean whatever.
Speaker 6: They don't necessarily work for darkness. I'm just saying like
Speaker 6: they do what they do.
Speaker 5: So I actually have never been logistic. I've never looked
Speaker 5: into the Typhonian kind of stuff, but I'm looking at
Speaker 5: it here. The Typhoni in Order, previously known as the
Speaker 5: Typhonian Ordo Temple orientis oh TiO.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's not quite. That's a little newer than
Speaker 6: Joseph Smith was, so this would be something that they
Speaker 6: gathered from. I believe Cabbala.
Speaker 4: Probably Typhonius Oto would be your boy. Alistair Crowley, right.
Speaker 6: But he's too young, so joseph smyths too old.
Speaker 4: But Joseph Smith was eighteen hundreds Alistair Crowley's popping off
Speaker 4: early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 6: But Joseph Smith was also called the Moonchild by Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 5: So indeed, Wow, they have a book here called it's
Speaker 5: written by somebody named Peter Lavenda, and it's called the
Speaker 5: Dark It's called The Dark Lord. H. P. Lovecraft, Kenneth Grant,
Speaker 5: and the Typhonian tradition in magic. The name of that
Speaker 5: book is called the Dark Lord. That's crazy.
Speaker 6: Lavenda wrote one called It's about Joseph Smith. He wrote
Speaker 6: a Joseph Smith book. Peter Lavenda wrote a Joseph Smith book.
Speaker 6: I can't remember if it's called the Beast in the
Speaker 6: Prophet or if it's called it's something like that. Just
Speaker 6: put in Joseph Smith, peterlev and it'll probably come up.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I've been reading lots lots of books because
Speaker 6: it's for this.
Speaker 5: You got to the uh, Peter Lavenda book on Joseph
Speaker 5: Smith is called the Angel and the Sorcerer. There it
Speaker 5: is holy ship. That is crazy.
Speaker 6: So yeah, and the last two things I brought for
Speaker 6: fun because you guys mentioned it and I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: you didn't see these pictures. This is the new Secretary
Speaker 6: of Defense. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the Baphomet sign.
Speaker 6: Like I'm sure Jonathan probably might have seen it.
Speaker 4: Wait, which one right here?
Speaker 6: These crosses right on his chest? Look at up?
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, the one on his chest that's the Jerusalem
Speaker 4: cross that was used during the during the Crusades.
Speaker 6: Not with all of them in that pattern.
Speaker 4: There's like that cross with the four like that that
Speaker 4: was used in a Jerusalem during the Crusade.
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, I mean even still the Crusades is you know, Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then this one made me giggle even more.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, what is going on with this fucking handshake?
Speaker 6: Dude? This is this is.
Speaker 5: Trump and Biden shaking hands. I guess after he became
Speaker 5: president elect. Is this a newer picture?
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm good with that. I'm good with that. Listen now,
Speaker 4: pe the.
Speaker 6: Real sign of the lion's paw.
Speaker 4: Look at the hand do you see? All right? Pause, Jonathan.
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the show Pawn Stars?
Speaker 5: Of course I have.
Speaker 4: Okay, do you realize how they shake their hand after
Speaker 4: a deal every single time? There is a method to
Speaker 4: this madness. It's a thing that businessmen do. They go
Speaker 4: for the top, grab on the handshake. They never go
Speaker 4: straight at the person as a sign of equality and respect. Right,
Speaker 4: they come on top because when it's all said and done,
Speaker 4: they're on top, and it's like they're in the dominant position.
Speaker 4: They just made the deal with you. You didn't make the
Speaker 4: deal with them, right.
Speaker 6: That's also so Look at his hand, his other hand.
Speaker 6: It almost if it was inside his jacket, it would
Speaker 6: be perfect.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Agree, But look, Donnie t is the business man. He
Speaker 4: knows how to shake someone's hand like he's on top.
Speaker 4: Why in the fuck did he take the lower position
Speaker 4: to sleepy Joe? And he's also a sign of respect
Speaker 4: of passing the torch? Or was this what is look
Speaker 4: at him his whole body language. This is an undergrad
Speaker 4: This is a planned undergrab.
Speaker 5: Not only is it the undergrabbed handshake, he's pointing at
Speaker 5: Biden while he's shaking his hand.
Speaker 6: No, that's the true sign. That's a premasonic sign. That's
Speaker 6: called the true sign of the lit or the lion's
Speaker 6: paw or some lions paw. I know because it's a
Speaker 6: Mormon one too. It's the lion's paw.
Speaker 4: Oh damn. I do want to shake people's hands, though
Speaker 4: sometimes by accident, sometimes I go in for the grab.
Speaker 4: My finger like gets caught on that tin right down.
Speaker 6: But down in there, yeah, down in there, he's in
Speaker 6: his sleeve. And look at Joe's ll on the other side.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I just like there's a lot going on here. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I just looked this up. The lion's paw handshake, according
Speaker 5: to the Freemasons, is a specific group or a specific
Speaker 5: grip used to raise a brother.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: It's also seen as a symbol of strength. In the
Speaker 5: ancient times, the lion was a symbol of strength, courage, majesty,
Speaker 5: and fortitude. The Egyptians believe that the strength of the
Speaker 5: animal on a chair would be passed on to the
Speaker 5: person sitting in it.
Speaker 4: What does this have to do with would Trump?
Speaker 5: Why would Trump shake his hand that way? That's I
Speaker 5: don't get it, Like you know, you always hear he's
Speaker 5: just he's just shitting on him all the time. Why
Speaker 5: would you give him a respectful handshake like that?
Speaker 6: Well, and why he's got the hidden hand underneath too,
Speaker 6: Like that's just so.
Speaker 4: Such a here. He didn't beat Joe, he beat Kamala.
Speaker 4: Joe's on the way out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He's concerned. He started at Joe, but then he checked
Speaker 4: out mid race. He's like, oh, well, all right, cool.
Speaker 4: See he hadn't been on his radar for a minute.
Speaker 4: At this point. They're just the changing of the guards,
Speaker 4: so to speak. There's no beef between these two. Hell,
Speaker 4: Joe doesn't even understand what year he's in. Let alone,
Speaker 4: who he's probably talking to.
Speaker 5: For it depends on which Joe it is, right right right,
Speaker 5: we're talking to Jim Carrey Joe, you know, Like, which
Speaker 5: one are we talking about? But what it is is
Speaker 5: it is interesting though, because if they are all in
Speaker 5: on it, like the conspiracy theorist have have been, you know,
Speaker 5: claiming all along, and we get this guy who we
Speaker 5: believe is not part of that same kind of organization.
Speaker 5: That is oh man, that is guy unfortunate.
Speaker 6: This guy has a heart on to build the Third Temple.
Speaker 6: Two ps.
Speaker 5: Why why are people so excited to bring about the
Speaker 5: end times? I don't get that.
Speaker 6: And Trump has a replica arc of the Covenant and
Speaker 6: his merrill arga.
Speaker 5: An exact replica, as a matter of fact, the same.
Speaker 4: I have that one day. I swear to God.
Speaker 5: Well, the guy who built it, he took like thirteen
Speaker 5: years to build it exactly precise. And and also the
Speaker 5: tour was placed inside of it. So there's that weird.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you guys, like there's there's a lot going on.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you guys, my husband is a huge trumpere.
Speaker 6: He's so excited, my mom is excited, like they've been
Speaker 6: oppressed for so long. And I'm just like in the
Speaker 6: corner like rocking he Gelian dialectic and just like.
Speaker 4: We're still riding that train right now. To be honest,
Speaker 4: with you as a post to taking over.
Speaker 6: No, No, I get that best situation, but I mean
Speaker 6: I get that part, but I'm just over there going
Speaker 6: they're all it's all the same, Like I don't know,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I mean, are we possibly dealing with another Bush and
Speaker 5: Carry kind of situation where they're really working together. They're
Speaker 5: a part of the same brotherhood. There's been a one
Speaker 5: singular plan all along. But they're just trying to basically
Speaker 5: put on a show for the masses. That's worst case scenario.
Speaker 6: It's very spooky. This one was really that one really
Speaker 6: got me. My friend sent it to me and then
Speaker 6: I sent him the templar one and he just sent back,
Speaker 6: oh my hell or something. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I get it. I get it. Like I don't even know,
Speaker 6: but I do know this. The Mormons, in the Catholics
Speaker 6: and all of them together, you know, they're definitely People
Speaker 6: are always like, oh, it's gonna be a one world religion.
Speaker 6: I'm like, wake up, it's already here, you know, Like
Speaker 6: you guys be afraid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people were shitting on Brandon Kroll
Speaker 5: and I just want to throw it out there, like, look,
Speaker 5: even I disagreed with Brandon Kroll, And to be honest,
Speaker 5: like that's not necessarily my flavor of how to look
Speaker 5: at a lot of this stuff. But I mean, it
Speaker 5: is interesting if that really is the case. Got you
Speaker 5: got him having the Arc of the Covenant, you got
Speaker 5: the coin made in Israel talking about how he's the Savior,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 6: Temple templar guy.
Speaker 5: Oh man, my gosh.
Speaker 6: And so I don't know what's going on, but I
Speaker 6: do know this, Like, I mean, what what does it
Speaker 6: say like in the last days? Okay, the whole thing
Speaker 6: is is like they they can't just bring the Antichrist.
Speaker 6: What has to happen. They have to beg for it.
Speaker 6: They have to want it.
Speaker 5: Oh damn that if that is one of the greatest
Speaker 5: tricks of all time. If that's if that's what Trump represents,
Speaker 5: I hope not.
Speaker 6: You know, I still have some faith. I mean, I'm
Speaker 6: so black pilled that I'm always like everybody's lying, Like
Speaker 6: I mean I think that everybody's also a serial killer,
Speaker 6: and you know whatever, But like once.
Speaker 4: You get that mad, you know, listen to this. I
Speaker 4: just checked out your boy. By the way, the new
Speaker 4: Secretary of Defense allegedly maybe if this happens. Is a
Speaker 4: guy named Pete heg Seth. His tattoo is actually brought
Speaker 4: up on the Wikipedia. In twenty twenty, HeiG Seth volunteered
Speaker 4: as one of the up to twenty five thousand now
Speaker 4: National Guard troops authorized by the Pentagon to be put
Speaker 4: on active duty to protect the inauguration of President Joe
Speaker 4: Biden on January twentieth, twenty twenty one, but was one
Speaker 4: of twelve soldiers removed from that mission. He set attributed
Speaker 4: his removal from the assignment to a Jerusalem Cross tattoo,
Speaker 4: which is just a Christian symbol. So he believes that
Speaker 4: his Jerusalem Cross tattoo is actually the reason why he
Speaker 4: was pulled from the detail to guard Biden during his inauguration.
Speaker 4: Now that's interesting.
Speaker 6: And it's right over his heart, bro.
Speaker 4: Like damn too.
Speaker 6: And then you check that Baphamett sign. I'm gonna send
Speaker 6: it to you because it's super good.
Speaker 4: Go for it. The Bapha Mets sign name after the
Speaker 4: Crusades they took it into It's like saying the wikiped
Speaker 4: the which symbol of the five pointed star is evil?
Speaker 4: It's like, are you using it for evil?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: They took a good symbol and used it for evil.
Speaker 6: That's gotcha, gotcha. Okay, so it is the same same symbol. Okay,
Speaker 6: I got what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I didn't know. I thought you meant it wasn't the.
Speaker 4: Right No, even the Rows of Crucians used this. The Martins,
Speaker 4: yeah this like yeah for sure, and all of them
Speaker 4: claimed it gets It's really the Middle Ages were a
Speaker 4: wild fucking time. They kept blending esoteric traditions and alchemy
Speaker 4: and and mysticism with the Catholic Church and with the
Speaker 4: traditions of old and the true religion, which actually was
Speaker 4: just yeah, I know, it was a mess.
Speaker 5: There's power, there's power in symbolism. There's power in sigils,
Speaker 5: Like you know, you can always take something good and
Speaker 5: bastardize it. The Swaska. Everybody knows that, right, Like it
Speaker 5: was traditionally just a sign of the stars, and you know,
Speaker 5: the the motion of the universe around us, basically the
Speaker 5: passage of time. And so I don't know, like it's
Speaker 5: you can always bastardize something.
Speaker 6: If he's a Zionist that wants to be building the
Speaker 6: Third Temple, I mean that's.
Speaker 4: Kind of yeah, I don't know, about that another thing
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna get on my chest. I was thinking
Speaker 4: more like on my hand. Like right here, something right?
Speaker 4: I told you about that priest that I met that
Speaker 4: went to Jerusalem and got a tattoo by that Christian
Speaker 4: tattoo shop.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, so all right.
Speaker 4: So the group that I'm part of, they go to
Speaker 4: Jerusalem every couple of years or so to like check
Speaker 4: out the old sites and the church where Jesus apparently
Speaker 4: the sepulcher and all these things. Right, And so I
Speaker 4: was talking to this priest who's a member, and I
Speaker 4: saw you had a hand tatt and I was like, yo, father,
Speaker 4: just quick question here, what's up with a You don't
Speaker 4: usually see a Catholic priest with a hand tattoos. I
Speaker 4: feel like there's a deep story here. It's like, went
Speaker 4: on that pilgrimage to Jerusalem and went to the Christian
Speaker 4: neighborhood and that's been there for seven hundred years, And
Speaker 4: there's a tattoo shop that has been owned by the
Speaker 4: same family for seven hundred years and they do tattoos
Speaker 4: in the traditional way. So I got this tattoo, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, that is the most badass tattoos store I've
Speaker 4: ever heard, and it's just basic line work. It's not crazy.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to get that. That looks so sick.
Speaker 6: It is. It is cool if I wasn't worried about him,
Speaker 6: you know, building the Third Temple with the red heifers
Speaker 6: already waiting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you see that happen eventually, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: But you see that, and then you see all the
Speaker 5: excitement within fucking net and Yahoo's face and he's posting
Speaker 5: about it on Instagram. Thank god we got Trump back.
Speaker 5: And it's like, you know, all of the people that
Speaker 5: are pointing at Trump being controlled by the Jews might
Speaker 5: not be that crazy.
Speaker 6: I know, at least, Yeah, what if they're just all
Speaker 6: in the same. They're in the rich people club, I
Speaker 6: know that much, you know. I mean, rich people don't
Speaker 6: care about broke people. And I do think it's funny
Speaker 6: to Brandon Croll's point, and I love Brandon, I will
Speaker 6: say this is you know, Trump has some odd things,
Speaker 6: like he named one of his casinos Atlantis, Like there's
Speaker 6: just a lot.
Speaker 4: You know, had a Cabala instructor growing up that he quoted.
Speaker 4: That's a real life thing that happened.
Speaker 6: I don't know what to make of him, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean?
Speaker 5: And then there was what was his his dad or
Speaker 5: his grandfather was Frederick christ Trump?
Speaker 6: Yes? Mary was Mary?
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, like it's Sam.
Speaker 4: I mean, as we could be Smith's yeah, Mary, we could.
Speaker 5: Be talking about we could be talking about people who
Speaker 5: are groomed up to these positions. And isn't that crazy
Speaker 5: to think that Trump is that guy. I'm not going
Speaker 5: to start shitting on him. But look, I think that
Speaker 5: as conspiracy theorists, we can't just automatically buy into everything that,
Speaker 5: you know, because the guy that we wanted to win,
Speaker 5: you know, we're just gonna blindly follow him. I don't
Speaker 5: think you blindly follow fucking anybody, And I think I
Speaker 5: think that if you do, you are being led to
Speaker 5: the slaughter. And so I think that it is our
Speaker 5: duty if we see something sketchy with Trump who maybe
Speaker 5: were on his side, that we should be we should
Speaker 5: be calling it out right, like that's the right thing
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 4: Accused of writing Trump's dick all the time, we are
Speaker 4: not doing our jobs as conspiracy theorists if we do
Speaker 4: not make sure we look at it from all angle. Brother,
Speaker 4: this is how we do.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm just skeptical but hopeful. How about that? Like,
Speaker 6: I'm hopeful, sure, but I'm skeptical for sure because I
Speaker 6: just think that we've been in such a weird position
Speaker 6: for so long now, right, Like it's scary. It's almost
Speaker 6: scary to have hope at this point. Like, frick, I
Speaker 6: don't know, groceries need to go down, I know that
Speaker 6: much I did.
Speaker 4: That was a solid frick drop. Haven't heard one of
Speaker 4: those in a while.
Speaker 6: That happens a lot in Utah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 6: what's the other one? I can't remember. That's the best one, Yeah, frick.
Speaker 5: Well, we went on to that one radio show. Remember
Speaker 5: it was called What the Frick?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought it was a really cool name for
Speaker 4: a radio show. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I used to work with this guy. His last name
Speaker 5: was Frick and.
Speaker 6: Is good too.
Speaker 5: Yeah damn, that's like that's like kid cussing right there.
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy. I don't hear the word crap
Speaker 4: a lot anymore because like, I don't use it. I
Speaker 4: usually use shit, which just as my normal dialect. And
Speaker 4: then I heard some kids say it, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a word I could totally just use that. It's
Speaker 4: so much cleaner, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what the crap? It needs to come back?
Speaker 4: What the crab? What is all this crap?
Speaker 6: Shooting the crap doesn't sound as good as shooting the ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one flows better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 4: it's time and place.
Speaker 6: But you know, you want to know something funny. I
Speaker 6: talked to this guy from England and he's like, I
Speaker 6: said something, and he I said, don't say the S words,
Speaker 6: you know, and he's like, oh, cunt, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't think Americans like that word. And then I said, so,
Speaker 6: what word do you not like? And he said, fanny
Speaker 6: means yeah. See, yeah, he was dying. He turned all red.
Speaker 4: In Trump's language is to be grab her by the fanny,
Speaker 4: and they would have lost their fucking minds, dude. But
Speaker 4: in America and over there, they call each other cont
Speaker 4: all the time. I say it on and it's like,
Speaker 4: before you lose all your lady listeners, like WHOA. If
Speaker 4: a lady listener to this show, I doubt she's gonna
Speaker 4: get offended by the word getting dropped from time to time.
Speaker 4: If I am offending anybody, then deepest apologies, but also
Speaker 4: it's my fature. Do you know where you are language.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you do know where you are right, You're in
Speaker 6: the grown ups house.
Speaker 4: So no doubt. Please don't play us for children or
Speaker 4: those with weak years. I feel like that disclaimer wasn't needed,
Speaker 4: but like, let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6: I said it first. If any ladies come at you,
Speaker 6: guys like I said it first, So.
Speaker 4: I'm a straight up from now on. If that happens
Speaker 4: to be, like yo, check HEII love with that in
Speaker 4: your your your bullshit privilege.
Speaker 6: Thomas always says Heidi is not the Mormon as far
Speaker 6: as swearing, She's the cuss She's the bad one. And
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, I'll take it. It's fine.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, look, you're the anarchist. You're supposed to
Speaker 5: be saying words that, you know, kind of ruffle some feathers.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was raised by a biker and a trucker.
Speaker 4: So I mean that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course your cousin like a fucking sailor, like
Speaker 5: a biker. Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 6: My brother was a sailor, so you know it is
Speaker 6: what it is.
Speaker 4: Right. Wait, wait, what your mom or your dad was
Speaker 4: the biker or the trucker because now I have to ask.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so my grandma was the good Mormon one, and
Speaker 6: then my grandpa was actually a one percenter.
Speaker 4: Which club if you don't mind me asking, the Sundowners
Speaker 4: Sundown the Sundowners that's a that's a Hell's Angel support club,
Speaker 4: is it not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep. And my uncle was the secretary. Like they're
Speaker 6: not riding anything. Well maybe body location, I don't know,
Speaker 6: but he's passed away. I'm not screwing him over so
Speaker 6: he's gone now. Yeah, so they were wild and that
Speaker 6: was actually why I was like, maybe I should be
Speaker 6: a good Mormon because my grandma's not going to jail
Speaker 6: every week, so let's do that over there. That seems good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, then your dad was the trucker.
Speaker 6: My dad was in prison. That was my grandpa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the.
Speaker 6: Yes trucker one percenter, and my uncle was the sundout
Speaker 6: or so it's kind of you know, it's all over
Speaker 6: the board, but also like it made for a colorful upbringing.
Speaker 4: It builds character.
Speaker 5: There you go, I would say, So it makes sense
Speaker 5: that you are the way you are with your your
Speaker 5: lineage if you will.
Speaker 6: There you go, Yeah, right, you gotta be. You gotta
Speaker 6: let your own self figure it out. Like I mean,
Speaker 6: I know, I didn't want to be as stuffy as
Speaker 6: my grandma. I was like, ah, not like that though,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, like be good, but not
Speaker 6: that good.
Speaker 5: You got a yolo from time to time, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, language only plus I like gangster rap. I
Speaker 6: still do I know Diddy? I know, I know, but
Speaker 6: gangs No, but everybody he talks about. I'm listening in
Speaker 6: my car the other day. I'm like listening to Nelly
Speaker 6: and he says, and we did what we had to
Speaker 6: do for country grammar to sell, and then I went, oh,
Speaker 6: I got to change the channel now.
Speaker 4: Which, like, first of all, that's a banger. It would
Speaker 4: have regardless he ain't had to do shit to it.
Speaker 6: Man, it's sad.
Speaker 5: I could see Nelly being a punk. I mean I
Speaker 5: could see that.
Speaker 6: He said he was. He did what he had to do, right,
Speaker 6: I'm like, but fifty cent, you know, I didn't work
Speaker 6: with him. That's probably why he wore the bulletproof best
Speaker 6: solid is all the time, because he didn't want to
Speaker 6: get killed. Because he said, no, right.
Speaker 4: He has already been shot before the streets.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was like bring it. I'm not doing shit
Speaker 6: kissed my ass.
Speaker 4: There was a feed in the state clean on it. Uh.
Speaker 4: I would is Drey been named doctor dre Uh?
Speaker 6: I don't know, because.
Speaker 5: Gray it depends on what list you're looking at. It's
Speaker 5: like the Epstein list the Diddy list. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of different lists floating around. There's no way of confirming
Speaker 5: which list is correct.
Speaker 4: Well, the reason why I'm asking is because you gotta
Speaker 4: look at the era, right, because Diddy was basically he
Speaker 4: was Biggie's bitch, let's just be honest about yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And at that time, you had the East West battle
Speaker 4: going down, you had Snoop that was popping off. NWA
Speaker 4: was already a thing, right, So like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if when that deal was made, if members of NWA
Speaker 4: got wrapped up in the Diddy shit or were they
Speaker 4: kind of off doing their own things, building their careers
Speaker 4: so that when that deal was offered, it was like, nah, dude,
Speaker 4: on the West Coast, we don't play that game because
Speaker 4: Diddy was East Coast hardcore. But then you look at
Speaker 4: his lift, you see his portfolio, and it clearly the
Speaker 4: East West beef died. Right then you had the South
Speaker 4: side the dirty rap startup, and you had Shytown that
Speaker 4: started doing its own thing, and it just wrap generally
Speaker 4: evolved over time. But you look at who was there
Speaker 4: in the foundational section of it. When the Tupac biggie
Speaker 4: shit died off, Diddy was the one left standing, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like at that point is when that pinnacle
Speaker 4: moment happened where allegedly those three other agencies called certain
Speaker 4: rap groups together to a meet and said, hey, y'all
Speaker 4: are gonna push guns, violence and anti government shit to
Speaker 4: your people that you're gonna make a lot of music
Speaker 4: about that, and they just roll with it and did
Speaker 4: He might have started his ship there, who knows.
Speaker 5: Look, I don't think that there's any difference now, knowing
Speaker 5: what I know and the research that we've done, I
Speaker 5: don't think there's any difference between fucking Hu Tupac and
Speaker 5: Little Nasex. I think that they're basically the same people
Speaker 5: raised in different times in order to usher in certain
Speaker 5: other connections because and even like I don't buy any
Speaker 5: of that old rap uh like people that were all
Speaker 5: that beef, I don't buy any of it because if
Speaker 5: you look at how these people were like first of all,
Speaker 5: there was whenever we went to Bohemian Grove, there was
Speaker 5: a There was the woman comedian that's you know, allegedly
Speaker 5: been kicked out of everywhere, right, and she made the
Speaker 5: talking about Biggie where basically in one of his lyrics
Speaker 5: he said that he loved his girl so much that
Speaker 5: that he'd suck, uh, suck her daddy's dick. Right, It's like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4: But then you look at the dish track that Tupac dropped, right,
Speaker 4: and like the way he called him out and the
Speaker 4: way that Biggie called him out, and they're like the
Speaker 4: beef was real at least if it was only industry
Speaker 4: just to make sales happen. We're talking a little machine
Speaker 4: gun Kelly trying to smack Well, No, no, no, no
Speaker 4: machine gun Kelly trying to smack Eminem was punching way
Speaker 4: out of his weight class. These were two that were
Speaker 4: like equal. Uh. This would be like Kendrick Lamar, who
Speaker 4: do he beef with recently? Not Jake Cole, he Drake Drake.
Speaker 4: Uh well, okay, people will say that that was a
Speaker 4: fair comparison, but like Drake is not a rapper. I
Speaker 4: hate to break it to people. But no, uh but yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: something along those lines to where it was like at
Speaker 4: least contemporaries of the same, you know, they were seen
Speaker 4: as in the same weight class.
Speaker 5: I think all that shit was a work. Like, to
Speaker 5: to put it into wrestling terms, there's working and then
Speaker 5: they're shooting. Work is like, you know, you're trying to
Speaker 5: beef up, beef it up for the for the entertainment.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's just it's not real. But a
Speaker 5: shoot is something that would be all right, this fight
Speaker 5: is happening in real life. They really are beating the
Speaker 5: shit out of each other. I think all of that
Speaker 5: was a work. Bro If you think about it, it
Speaker 5: really plays into the hand perfectly as to what the
Speaker 5: organizations were using these people to create. Like all right, well,
Speaker 5: if if you really think you got some real gangsters
Speaker 5: up in here and they're slinging drugs and they're fucking
Speaker 5: hoes and you know what I mean, they're they're getting
Speaker 5: drunk and shit, and they're meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile, in order
Speaker 5: to get to the position that they had to, they
Speaker 5: had to bend over, Like does that not just discredit
Speaker 5: everything that they've ever done and said, and that's why
Speaker 5: I think that it's all just it's all for show, Like,
Speaker 5: I don't buy it.
Speaker 6: Here's my thing. Here's why I think they might all
Speaker 6: be one club because Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogger friends
Speaker 6: and I'm like, she went to prison and didn't say ship.
Speaker 4: That's why toes down the whole time, didn't drop.
Speaker 6: One name, that's right. And then on top of it,
Speaker 6: they're all hooking together. I did a show on this
Speaker 6: through philanthropic purposes because they all were doing it. And
Speaker 6: that's why Kate Spade got taken out and what's his name? Oh,
Speaker 6: my husband's gonna kill me. Chris Cornell and and the
Speaker 6: chef Anthony Boarding and all those people died of suicide,
Speaker 6: like right together in a row. And you're like, wait, what,
Speaker 6: you know what's happening over here? If they were all
Speaker 6: working on exposing that that they weren't using that for
Speaker 6: the right purposes.
Speaker 5: So allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 6: Allgedly we're all full of shit. I don't even know
Speaker 6: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's then, yeah, I mean it's definitely sketchy.
Speaker 5: The whole Paul Walker thing and Chester Bennington and you know,
Speaker 5: allegedly they were all working on exposing the child sex
Speaker 5: trafficking network and stuff like that. I don't know, I
Speaker 5: just feel like, you know, there's always people that die
Speaker 5: where they were about to do something. That everybody's always
Speaker 5: about to do something, And it's like, I feel like,
Speaker 5: if you're going to be exposing, you're not gonna announce
Speaker 5: that you're gonna expose before you actually expose. That's fucking stupid.
Speaker 6: No, there's some stupid people. No, don't you know the
Speaker 6: people that I'm gonna kick your ass at three pm,
Speaker 6: three pm, I'm kicking your ass. No, there's too many
Speaker 6: people that are crazy and stupid.
Speaker 5: Some people aren't just yeah, a little two cocky that way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, smart people would keep it in their
Speaker 6: pocket be like, you know, I'm just gonna bring that
Speaker 6: to you when I'm ready and then that's it. But
Speaker 6: like some people want the whole school there.
Speaker 5: You know, Well, let's let's look at it this way.
Speaker 5: I mean, you were talking about the Mormon mafia. You
Speaker 5: think that this translates into old school rap where they're ah,
Speaker 5: you know, there's some uh, some schedules things.
Speaker 6: This. I will say this about the Mormons and the
Speaker 6: mafia that continues to this day. A lot of these
Speaker 6: companies with Howard Hughes live on and a lot of
Speaker 6: it's all money, and it's big money. And when you're
Speaker 6: talking about money, it becomes a different thing, because I
Speaker 6: think the gangster stuff was also about like bride right,
Speaker 6: But these guys want to be on the DL. They
Speaker 6: don't want that. But I will say this, they're all
Speaker 6: working for one thing and they and Joseph Smith tried
Speaker 6: to bring this about. And the Polygamist still do this
Speaker 6: to this day. Is they live a more communistic life.
Speaker 6: Everything goes to the prophet. It was like a one
Speaker 6: world order. It was called the Order of Enoch if
Speaker 6: anybody wants to look it up. But he wasn't supposed
Speaker 6: to have read the Book of Enox, so they don't
Speaker 6: want to talk about that. But like that was something
Speaker 6: that he really did. And that was why Warren Jeff's
Speaker 6: lost his ass. And I just talked to his ex
Speaker 6: wife sixty fifth one of his wives the other day,
Speaker 6: Brielle Decker, and that's coming out soon. But that was
Speaker 6: why she got his house was because you know, it
Speaker 6: was all all to him, the whole everything was his.
Speaker 6: It wasn't like like anything belonged to anyone else, nothing
Speaker 6: belonged to anyone but him. So she was able to
Speaker 6: like go after him hardcore, which she should have. He
Speaker 6: kept her hostage for six years, so no is there any.
Speaker 4: Have everything owned by the company or something. It was
Speaker 4: all to him directly, directly.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: And they were drugging her. She ran away twice, like,
Speaker 6: I mean, she didn't even have shoes on, and she
Speaker 6: ran away in the snow and her shows out and
Speaker 6: it's called a prisoner of the prophet and it I
Speaker 6: mean it is something like it is.
Speaker 4: It is something we need to get her on.
Speaker 6: She's great, Yeah, I bet she would. I'll tell her.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean she's great, yeah, Heidi. I mean you
Speaker 5: poked us up with a couple of great guests, and
Speaker 5: you know, we got another one coming on here soon.
Speaker 5: We have to schedule that one. But you know, I
Speaker 5: think that a lot of our a lot of our
Speaker 5: interests and a lot of our you know, just curiosities
Speaker 5: are kind of guiding us down the same road, and
Speaker 5: that is, you know, the journey to truth. To shout
Speaker 5: out another podcast that we've had on. But like you know,
Speaker 5: we're all just searching for what the answers actually are,
Speaker 5: not the manipulated ones, not the not the veiled coverings
Speaker 5: ones where there's still people kind of orchestrating all of
Speaker 5: the different strings and and shit like that. We all
Speaker 5: just want to really get down to the bottom of it.
Speaker 5: And it's a fucking deep abyss and it can be scary.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, would you rather It just
Speaker 5: goes to question like would you rather know? Or are
Speaker 5: you okay being asleep? I think that's the main question,
Speaker 5: you know, because they say that the hardest people to
Speaker 5: really shake up from this mess. It's like it's impossible
Speaker 5: to wake somebody up who's pretending to be asleep. And
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a lot of people who that way.
Speaker 5: But you know a lot of people are really opening
Speaker 5: up that third eye and seeing this stuff for really
Speaker 5: what it is. And you know, Heidi, that's that's that's
Speaker 5: why we appreciate all the deep dives that you do,
Speaker 5: and especially your experience within the Mormon community.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you. I I have fun with it,
Speaker 6: and I mean I study other things too, like I'll
Speaker 6: go off on tangents here and there, but you know,
Speaker 6: I just I think that truth is important. I've always
Speaker 6: been a person that's really I hate lies. I hate lies.
Speaker 6: Like the number one way to piss me the fuck
Speaker 6: off is lie to me, Like I hate it. Like
Speaker 6: even if you walk straight up to somebody and you're like,
Speaker 6: I hate you, Like that's more honest. I'll take it,
Speaker 6: you know what. I wouldn't do that, But like if
Speaker 6: somebody did that to me, I'd respect it. I'd be like, okay, well,
Speaker 6: and then I'd laugh. I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go cry well talking about it.
Speaker 4: I would laugh talking about truth and cutting through the lies.
Speaker 4: I have another question which I'm not sure if you
Speaker 4: answered this, and if you did, I apologize. You said
Speaker 4: that there was like five or six different quote unquote
Speaker 4: handwritten wills that came from the quote unquote. So what
Speaker 4: was the final verdict on this? Are they still trying
Speaker 4: to fight it? Who got what percentage? Because as we're
Speaker 4: talking about all these businesses that are still around owned
Speaker 4: by LDS and all these things, how much did the
Speaker 4: LDS church actually receive from him? Is there understood these
Speaker 4: days or where we at?
Speaker 6: So mostly what happened was because there were so many
Speaker 6: wills that were brought forth not just for the church,
Speaker 6: there was only one for the church, but like a
Speaker 6: gas station guy, some weird like all these weird things. Oh,
Speaker 6: it's a crazy story. And all these people came forward
Speaker 6: with these wills, but they couldn't like substantiate any of them.
Speaker 6: And so after some time they found some cousin of
Speaker 6: his it's like his eleventh cousin or some crazy shit,
Speaker 6: and they were like, look, you're related enough and nobody
Speaker 6: else wants it. You want to do it, and you
Speaker 6: have to organize and be over all of these it's
Speaker 6: not just like money. It's like you gotta now you
Speaker 6: have to be a businessman for the rest of your life,
Speaker 6: and you have to move and all this stuff. And
Speaker 6: he wasn't sure at first. He was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: I never even met him. I never even met the guy.
Speaker 6: And they were like, well, do you want to do
Speaker 6: it or not? And so he did and that's where
Speaker 6: the money went. But they did give tiny slivers which
Speaker 6: ended up to be quite some money, not to the
Speaker 6: church per se, but to these people. And these people,
Speaker 6: funny enough, they're on reality shows. They're still really wealthy.
Speaker 6: Like there's the other the secret lives of Mormon wives.
Speaker 6: There's four or five people in there where I recognize
Speaker 6: those last names. Those are like Mormon royalty. Those aren't
Speaker 6: normal people. They are staging some stuff and I don't
Speaker 6: know why they're doing that, but like it makes it
Speaker 6: makes you wonder. It's like, oh, what's that about.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of flaunting.
Speaker 4: It seems like, yeah, yeah, wonders found this eleventh cousin
Speaker 4: of his. Who do we know in this equation of
Speaker 4: chicanery that is really good at digging up genealogical lineag? Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, the Mormons are the one that
Speaker 6: make the rules, so I mean they can make anybody, so.
Speaker 4: You know, to secure that, to make sure their sliver
Speaker 4: was a little thicker than the rest.
Speaker 6: Hey, who knows, who knows? Because they can modify any
Speaker 6: of it, that's for sure. Maybe it was a plant
Speaker 6: the whole time he's surrounded by a ton of CIA people.
Speaker 6: I don't trust any of it, to be honest, you.
Speaker 5: Know, no, I don't buy it. Well, look, Heidi, you
Speaker 5: are great. We love having you on here. We definitely
Speaker 5: can't wait a whole entire year until we get you
Speaker 5: back on again. If this is any cult members first
Speaker 5: time ever hearing you, which probably a lot of them
Speaker 5: since it has been a year. Can you kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, guide them to your show and all of
Speaker 5: your things and stuff.
Speaker 6: You bet, and thank you so much for having me
Speaker 6: on guys. I always love talking with you guys. It's fun.
Speaker 6: It's not just like a presentation. We have fun. So
Speaker 6: at least I love that.
Speaker 5: Thank you the best kind of conversations.
Speaker 6: Yes, love that, And I am Heidi Love I'm everywhere
Speaker 6: that podcasts are served. I do have my own website
Speaker 6: now on Filtered ricepodcast dot com, and that will hook
Speaker 6: you to the newest episodes. I do have a Patreon
Speaker 6: and for five bucks a month you get two extra
Speaker 6: shows and they're different. They're all about murders, Mormons, and Mayhem.
Speaker 6: So like we did Ted Bundy because Ted Bundy was
Speaker 6: a Mormon. Also Israel Keys was a Mormon. We just
Speaker 6: did an unknown Case from here that was a missing
Speaker 6: person and she was this it's really weird, like has
Speaker 6: a creepy demonic laugh in it. And her name was
Speaker 6: Kaylin Louder And that one's really good. It's weird. It's
Speaker 6: almost like there's they said, oh, she must have been schizophrenic.
Speaker 6: But you can hear her on the phone and the
Speaker 6: creepy laugh in the background. It sounds like a Halloween
Speaker 6: toy or something. Is scary, but all that kind of fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, well that is amazing. I highly advise
Speaker 5: all the good cult members to go check Heidi out.
Speaker 5: She is always on top of it as far as
Speaker 5: her detailed work and trying to get to the core
Speaker 5: of all of this. And I love it. I love
Speaker 5: having you all. Will definitely do it again, so Abigail,
Speaker 5: I mean Heidi, we will. We're looking forward to the
Speaker 5: next time.
Speaker 6: But in Jonathan's gonna remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, husband, sister Abigail, Oh.
Speaker 4: My god, And I hope you call it just like that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5: Yes, But look, this was great and until next time.
Speaker 5: This was another beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy.
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