WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.839 Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Semi 2 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:22.440 at the Fay and I'm Dead Bowen and in this 3 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:26.440 week's episode, we're going to be talking about remote viewing. Now, 4 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.320 this is a topic that we have addressed a couple 5 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:30.960 of times on the show, and we did a deep 6 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.960 dive into it about I don't know seven eight years ago, 7 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:37.200 but we thought it would be interesting to revisit it 8 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:43.039 because the history of remote viewing is absolutely fascinating and 9 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.119 some of the things that remote viewers have been able 10 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.240 to do we can't wait to share with you. And 11 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.600 then we're going to get into how you can start 12 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.159 practicing remote viewing in your own life. Now, I first 13 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.399 got fascinated with this whole concept when I read Annie 14 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.039 jacobson book Phenomenon. So I'm going to mention some books 15 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:05.400 you can check out at this topic interest you, But 16 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:08.439 that's the one I think we would recommend everyone begin 17 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:12.040 with because it really gets into the history of how 18 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.680 the United States government used remote viewing and some of 19 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:19.200 the phenomenal things that came out of that. What I 20 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.000 really like about remote viewing is that it really does 21 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.439 prove that intuition works and that everybody can do it. 22 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.879 It's generally defined as the ability to acquire accurate information 23 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.760 about a distant or non local place, person, or event 24 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.280 without using your physical senses or any other obvious means. 25 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.200 So let's be clear, though it's not astral travel. You 26 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.519 are not leaving your body and visiting this location, event, 27 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.560 or person. You are simply projecting your consciousness to that 28 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:57.200 situation and perceiving what you can. So you can use 29 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.319 remote viewing to locate a person and object or a location. 30 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.239 And didn't you have a really cool experience with this? 31 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:08.800 I did, Samantha. It was probably one of the coolest 32 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.960 things that I've ever experienced in my life. It was 33 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:16.400 absolutely spontaneous. It came out of nowhere, and it truly 34 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.960 shifted so much of what I believe is possible in 35 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.240 the world. At some point I'll tell the story. But 36 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.439 it was like the old fashioned Western TV shows where 37 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.879 a scene burns away, you know, and suddenly, out of 38 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.159 the fire come these guys on horses coming at you. 39 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.080 And although mine wasn't about horses, it was quite different 40 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.800 from that. But basically, I was sitting in my den, 41 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:46.000 looking out my sliding glass door at my patio and 42 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.879 suddenly I wasn't. I was looking at a whole different location, 43 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.199 having a conversation with somebody on the telephone about what 44 00:02:54.360 --> 00:03:00.360 I was seeing and smelling many states away. Yeah. 45 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.520 So I just think that's a phenomenal experience because you 46 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.639 weren't trying to remote you. You were just talking to 47 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:10.800 your friend on the phone about wasn't she She was 48 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:13.400 grieving the loss of someone, and suddenly you were in 49 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.960 that person's room in their. 50 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.479 She had asked me to talk to her on the 51 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.120 telephone when she went into her son's room for the 52 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.960 first time after he died. The door had been closed, 53 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.039 she had not been in the room, and she didn't 54 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:29.800 want to go in by herself, so she asked me 55 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:31.639 if I would talk to her on the phone while 56 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.560 she opened the door and went into his room. And 57 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:37.599 in my vision, and that's the only way I know 58 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.479 to speak of it, I am standing on the landing 59 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.080 in the hallway upstairs in this woman's house, and she 60 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:49.560 opened the door and I could see it and smell it. 61 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.360 It was the strangest experience. 62 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.439 And I wonder if that was spontaneous for you, because 63 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.719 it came out of a place of true love and compassion. 64 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.680 I don't. Oh, I wonder. I mean, I certainly was 65 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:05.039 willing to talk with her as she experienced that for 66 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.840 the first time. But it was a bizarre experience. And 67 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.520 I described it to her. I mean, I said to her, 68 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.719 here's what I'm seeing. And he was as a teenager 69 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.839 had collected stolen street sides basically, And I said, good Godic, 70 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:22.040 what are you going to do with all of that? 71 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.279 She said, you can see that? And I said, oh, yeah, 72 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.439 let me describe the wallpaper to you. And I did, Oh, 73 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.240 it's just amazing, just bizarre. 74 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.480 Yeah, well bizarre. But also, like I said, I think 75 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.639 that was rooted in love and compassion and desire. You 76 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.560 had a true desire to hold space and be there 77 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.519 for your friend, and you were, so I think having 78 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.519 that impetus that reason is really really important as a 79 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:54.600 foundation for any work, but especially intuitive work. Okay, let's 80 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:59.519 go over some of the historical background stuff. First of 81 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:03.560 how remote viewing got started as a point of research 82 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:08.560 in our country. The US government began researching the power 83 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.439 of the mind and the unconscious going back to the 84 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:15.480 nineteen twenties and thirties, when the government started studying non 85 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:20.240 local consciousness in nineteen fifty two, the Department of Defense 86 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:25.360 lectured on the usefulness of using psychics and psychological warfare. 87 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:28.879 And then after World War Two, when information came to 88 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:33.480 light about Hitler's use of parapsychology and occult information, and 89 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.519 during the Cold War when we learned about Russia's use 90 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:40.560 of psychic spies. The government began their own experiments in 91 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.680 the nineteen sixties, first with Stephen Abrams, but then they 92 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.680 started shifting and they worked with Russell Tark. How put 93 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:51.120 off Stephen Schwartz and many others who were asked to 94 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:56.959 work more intensely on studying esp which the CIA prefers 95 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.040 to call remote viewing. They worked on this at the 96 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:04.800 Stanford Research Institute called SRII, and they were, without a 97 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:09.560 doubt able to prove that remote viewing works. Now, the 98 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.800 CIA spent over twenty five million dollars on this program 99 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.519 that they called Project Stargate. And let's talk about some 100 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.279 of the results they were able to obtain. They located 101 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.959 secret missile sites in Russia, they found terrorist groups in 102 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.199 the Middle East, and they even remote viewed the interior 103 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:33.360 of the Chinese embassy in Washington, DC. Stephen Schortz called 104 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.279 it distant viewing. When he joined the program in nineteen 105 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:40.279 sixty eight, he tested twenty five thousand people because he 106 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.360 wanted to see if there was a personality profile for 107 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.759 a good remote viewer, and what he found was that 108 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.439 extremely right brained people tend to be better at it, 109 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.439 and just as a reminder, right brain people are those 110 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.120 who tend to use more of their creative side, have 111 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:01.120 better imaginations, and are really good with language, whereas left 112 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.600 brain people are more analytical thinkers who tend to be 113 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:09.079 better at science and math. His findings showed that introverts 114 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:14.560 and extroverts both do well, they just do it differently. Meditators, 115 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.639 he said, do exceptionally well. He said, you must develop 116 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:23.600 a discipline for sustained focus. He believes remote viewing as 117 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.600 popular because it's a way in which people are opening 118 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.600 to use non local consciousness in a way that can 119 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:35.240 be verified. And doing a little deep dive into Stephen 120 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.720 Schwortz's work was really really fun for me too, because 121 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.040 after he left the program, Schwartz worked with remote viewers 122 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:47.879 to find Cleopatra's Palace Anthony's Palace, one of the Christopher 123 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.360 Columbus's ships, and he even used this to help solve 124 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.319 some murders. He wrote all about it in his book 125 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.560 The Alexandria Project. He said everyone can do it to 126 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.680 some degree, and if if you add meditation to it, 127 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.000 you'll get quite good. And then he said, you have 128 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:10.439 to suborne sensorial stimuli coming at you. And that is 129 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:12.800 just a fancy way of saying you've got to get 130 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.800 rid of the noise and chaos of your daily life 131 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.199 to get to the subconscious, the non local consciousness needed 132 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:25.600 for remote viewing. And one of the favorite quotes he 133 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.120 always says when people ask him about remote viewing. Whenever 134 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.519 anyone will say to him, why does this work? How 135 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.679 does it work, He'll always say, we gave the participants 136 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:40.559 permission to be psychic. Isn't that so perfectly stated? 137 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:42.120 That's wonderful. 138 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.240 It's so true because we all are psychic, we all 139 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.960 are intuitive. And I think one of the reasons why 140 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:52.720 this program was so successful was because it gave that 141 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:56.120 extra sensory ability validity. 142 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.919 Absolutely it did. So many people have asked him quote, so, 143 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.039 since this program is officially shut down in America, do 144 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.919 you think it's still going on in other places? And 145 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:12.519 he said, China, Russia, France, and Japan are still using 146 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.919 remote viewers, and he thinks we are too. He says, 147 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.720 I suspect it's still going on. He also said precognition 148 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:25.559 is the biggest stumbling block in quantum physics. It can't 149 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:30.320 be explained, and I thought that was really interesting because 150 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:34.879 I love thinking about precognition. Dale Graf also worked with 151 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.399 these remote viewers. He worked at Wright Patterson Air Force 152 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:42.240 Base doing trends and forecasts when he was asked to 153 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:47.080 work on Project Stargate. His interest lies in researching consciousness 154 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:52.240 through remote viewing and dreams. His book is entitled Tracks 155 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.200 in the Psychic Wilderness, and it's an excellent book. His 156 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.799 participants have used remote viewing to catch fugitives. 157 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:02.720 You know, I loved that book so much to have 158 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:06.480 that I emailed him and started a little exchange, and 159 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.879 he agreed to write a little blurb for my book, 160 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:09.840 The Awake Dreamer. 161 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:11.120 Oh nice. 162 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:17.279 Yeah, he's a really nice man, incredibly intelligent, intimidatingly. So okay, 163 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.440 let's shift a little bit and look at some of 164 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.200 the psychics that they recruited into this program. One of 165 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.679 the first remote viewers that Project Stargate brought in is 166 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.240 Ingo Swan. He also has several books out, and a 167 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.440 memoir of his life that's also a great read. He's 168 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:38.159 probably best known for remote viewing Jupiter. He described crystalline 169 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:42.000 like rings around the planet years and years before we 170 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.039 knew and could prove they existed, and he helped create 171 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:48.960 what he called the Controlled Remote Viewing Program, which the 172 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:53.279 government used to train future remote viewers. He also claims 173 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.360 to have remote viewed the Dark side of the Moon, 174 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.759 where he says he saw hidden et bases. 175 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.879 Wouldn't that be fine to know what the most recent 176 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.919 folks who went to the Dark side of the Moon saw? 177 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.799 I know there's a lot of conspiracy theories about that. 178 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.480 You bet there are. Isn't that interesting? And he made 179 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.159 this prediction? How many years ago? Do we know? A 180 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.039 long time ago? Right? 181 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.440 A long time ago? I believe it was back in 182 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:23.120 the nineteen seventies. How about that I know now? Russell 183 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.799 Tark said that one of the best remote viewers he 184 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.639 worked with was Pat Price, who was a retired police 185 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:31.960 officer at the time that he joined the program. He 186 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:35.519 has now since deceased, and there's a lot of weird 187 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:39.919 conspiracies around his death as well. In Pat Price's first 188 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:44.120 psychic flash his first input. Russell Tark says he helped 189 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.919 discover a Russian weapons factory where they were manufacturing a 190 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.200 particle beam weapon to shoot down satellites. Price said, I'm 191 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.279 lying on top of a little building. In my mind's 192 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.960 eye and my body, I feel that I'm lying on 193 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:02.240 top of a building. The sun is shining, a giant 194 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.919 crane is rolling back and forth over my head. And 195 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.759 then Price proceeded to draw a picture of the crane 196 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:14.159 atop the building that he visualized. Government satellite photographs later 197 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:18.759 confirmed the legitimacy of the drawing. Tark said, The remarkable 198 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.320 part is that when we asked Price to look inside 199 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:24.679 the building and describe what people were doing, he said, 200 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:29.759 they're fabricating a giant steel sphere. The CIA was able 201 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.120 to figure out that this was some kind of containment 202 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.159 vessel for a particle beam weapon. Three years later, the 203 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:41.159 Soviets rolled this giant sphere out of the building. Its extraordinary, 204 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.600 Targ said, And then he added, most of what we 205 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:47.720 have done has still not been declassified. 206 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:48.679 And probably not still declassified. 207 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.559 Right another time, Tark said, we looked in on a 208 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:57.440 failed Chinese atomic bomb test. Ingo's Swan was able to 209 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:59.799 predict that the test would fail three days in a 210 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:03.960 day advance, and that's exactly what happened. They also monitored 211 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.039 the health of the American hostages and Iran and were 212 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.840 able to accurately predict that one of the very sick 213 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.679 people would be released immediately. A few days later, Vice 214 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.480 Consul Richard Queen was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and was 215 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:22.200 set free. Another discovery was a down Russian airplane in 216 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.440 Africa that had Soviet codes and perhaps an atomic bomb 217 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.440 on it. They found it in Africa before the Russians 218 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:33.080 reclaimed it. Even Jimmy Carter commended them for it. 219 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:41.519 This kind of big, international, scary stuff is amazing that 220 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:43.600 folks are able to do this and. 221 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.600 We don't know about it. We don't know about what 222 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.320 they're doing and what they're preventing. I find it such 223 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.320 a service to the country. That's you know, they're unsung heroes. Basically, 224 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.519 let's take our first break and then we'll talk about 225 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.399 some more of the amazing remote viewers they trained. 226 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:02.600 We'll be right back, hi, everybody. I wanted to let 227 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.879 you know that I am working on some new courses 228 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.360 coming up in the near future. 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So I Sabbeth that I was saying before 240 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.200 the break, But things that these folks are able to 241 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:02.039 do just keeps going. One of the psychics they trained, 242 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:07.200 a man named Joe mcgonald, described a Soviet submarine under 243 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.679 construction that was five hundred feet long. The intelligence community 244 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.360 thought it was crazy because it was three times bigger 245 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:19.240 than any other known submarine. He drew, however, detailed pictures 246 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.200 of what it looked like and how it would be launched. 247 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.159 It was a Typhoon class submarine, and they were the 248 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.159 first ones to discover it a year before it became operational. 249 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.279 Now one of the most fascinating remote viewers besides Pat 250 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:38.480 Price to investigate is Hella Hammid. Russell targ and how 251 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.759 put off were getting really great evidence and proof that 252 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.639 this remote viewing actually worked. Oh Russell Tark thought, well, 253 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.799 let's pull in a control, someone who's not psychic, someone 254 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:51.840 who doesn't believe in all of this stuff. So they 255 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.039 brought in Hella HAMMD and she ended up becoming one 256 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.360 of their best remote viewers. I think this is just 257 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:01.720 such a wonderful example because it proves again that we 258 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.960 are all psychic and we can all do this when trained. 259 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.120 I so agree, And I think you know, we've mentioned 260 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.279 that one of the things that Pat Price was best 261 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.200 known for was when Patty Hurst was kidnapped, he was 262 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.480 able to identify the make and model and color of 263 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.120 the car that had taken her, and because of the 264 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.639 input and intelligence that he gave them, they were able 265 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.519 to find her. And that was only declassified fairly recently. 266 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.240 Pat Price was also really good at remote viewing, so 267 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.240 good that many people think he was a threat to 268 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.080 other governments because he was finding all these submarines that 269 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.240 the Russians didn't want us to know about he was 270 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.399 finding nuclear information. I mean, if you read details about 271 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.440 what he was able to do, it's almost unbelievable, and 272 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.240 yet it's all documented. It is. 273 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.919 And what I find interesting. Pat Price died in Las 274 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.039 Vegas in nineteen seventy five and it was a heart attack, 275 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.279 but a lot of people think he was killed. There's 276 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:08.920 some information that has come out that members of opposing 277 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.519 governments had created what was called a heart attack gun. 278 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.039 It's a strange little weapon that simulates a heart attack. 279 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.480 There's no bullets or anything. It's called a gun because 280 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:20.960 it points something I guess like a laser beam I 281 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.759 don't know, at the person's chest and it makes them 282 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:27.920 have a heart attack, and an autopsy it appears it's 283 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:31.119 just a heart attack, and that is what all the 284 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.599 forms say Pat Price died from. But there's a lot 285 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:39.480 of speculation that he did not die, and I think 286 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:44.480 that's that's interesting. How put Off was recently interviewed on 287 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.960 a podcast. It might have been Sean Ryan's show, and 288 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.640 he was talking about how he still has doubts about 289 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:56.160 how Pat Price died or if he died. Now here's 290 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:00.559 an interesting fact. Almost every member of the initial remote 291 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.440 viewing team was a scientologist. I thought that was kind 292 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.200 of funny to speculate upon, because scientologists have a belief 293 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.400 in it's not really confession, but they have to have 294 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.839 like we'll call it a mentor where they tell everything 295 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.880 to all their secrets. And you know, we've said this 296 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.200 on the show a lot. Many of the best mediums 297 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:24.640 are Catholics. George Anderson, John Edward, James Bond, Prague, Theresa Caputo, 298 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:26.960 and on and on. And I've always thought it's because 299 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.039 Catholicism is open to the intercession of saints and seeing 300 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.279 angels and all of that. But when I heard that 301 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.279 all these early remote viewers were scientologists, I thought, hmm. 302 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.799 Because one of the techniques outlined in the CIA Manual 303 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.240 on Remote Viewing, which anyone can google. It's now been declassified. 304 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.359 One of the first steps is clearing your mind. And 305 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.000 so what they have remote viewers do before they start 306 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.200 on the process is write down anything that's on their 307 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.599 mind that day. Anything I've got to do laundry, I've 308 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.680 gotta pay bills, my wife is nagging me, i can't 309 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.359 stand my boss. Whatever is on their mind, you have 310 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.240 to write it all down and then crumple it up 311 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:07.000 and throw it away. And so I just wonder if 312 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.200 because scientology has that program of confessing all of your 313 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.519 secrets to someone, and you know, Catholics have this belief 314 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.319 in confessing to a priest, I wonder if all of 315 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.400 this clears some of the psychic clogs or something. 316 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.480 Well maybe so, because I don't know that when you meditate, 317 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.279 but when I sit down, take a deep breath and 318 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.640 close my eyes and say, okay, oh, I'm going to meditate, 319 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:34.480 that's when my conscious mind says, you need to do laundry, 320 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.039 you need to clean the bathroom. Oh, don't forget to 321 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.480 call so and so. I mean, the list goes crazy 322 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.480 and I have to consciously say, shut up, I am 323 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:47.400 meditating right right. So that really does make sense that 324 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.960 that would be an important thing to do. 325 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:54.960 I was recently reading a book on meditation, like Guided 326 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.000 Imagery Meditation, and one of the things the author kept 327 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.839 emphasizing is writing down before you meditate, like just kind 328 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.440 of kind of like the morning Pages from the Artist's Way. 329 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:07.720 But then when you go into the guided meditation, she 330 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.240 has you visualize a worry box outside of whatever meditation 331 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.400 space you create. In your mind's eye. So if it's 332 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.559 by the ocean or a cave or what have you, you 333 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.880 imagine a worry box. And again you put any worries 334 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.440 in that box and seal it and close it so 335 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.480 that you're not taking it into your sacred meditation space. 336 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.559 So there's got to be something to that. 337 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.880 That's a lovely idea. I never thought to do that. 338 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:38.559 Thanks for that, m So this is interesting. When Russell 339 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:43.880 targ was asked if he had remote viewed himself, he said, 340 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:49.559 I once visited a UFO, which was somewhat frightening. I 341 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.079 saw an array of bodies lined up under violet light 342 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.200 and things that looked like hair dryers. Nobody was around, 343 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:01.640 but it seemed very menacing. I described this to Pat Price, 344 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.400 who told me I was in a body storage area 345 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.319 and I was lucky I didn't get grabbed. 346 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.440 That still gives me chills, just right, I know. 347 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:15.960 And then Tark says there's the possibility that it might 348 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.599 have been an hallucination. I bet he was hoping it 349 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:19.880 was a hallucidier I would be. 350 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:21.279 I'm still hoping it is. 351 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:29.319 Another interesting story comes out of this program that occurred 352 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.519 in nineteen eighty one. When the US general whose name 353 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:39.119 was James Doser, was kidnapped in northern Italy by Red Brigades, 354 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:45.519 remote viewer Joe McGonagall of Vietnam VET was called in. Now, 355 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.920 before we tell the story about what he did for 356 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.839 General Doser, I have to say a little bit about 357 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:55.039 Joe McGonagall. When they had worked with this program in 358 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:59.519 the nineteen sixties and seventies, they worked with Ingo Swan, 359 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:04.799 Pat Price, Hella Hammad and others, and Ingo Swan kept saying, 360 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:09.960 this can be taught to anyone. Everyone has this stability. 361 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.319 It can be taught. And so Russell Tar took that 362 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.160 to the government. They got a little bit more money, 363 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.200 and then they put together a program to teach this 364 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.799 and so what they would do with the soldiers that 365 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:25.559 they would work with like a basic test to see 366 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.960 if they had any psychic ability, and then those who 367 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.960 scored high were pulled out and were trained to do 368 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:32.720 remote feeling. 369 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:35.240 I have to interrupt you real quick here. 370 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:35.720 Sorry. 371 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.559 I was listening to Joe McGonagall just recently talk about this, 372 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.640 and he was saying that one of the ways they 373 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:46.519 pulled soldiers out is they went to the different branch 374 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:50.880 leaders and they were like, okay, who has kept their head, 375 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.160 who has survived in situations where everyone was getting laid 376 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.519 off or this program was shutting down, but they kept 377 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.759 this one person who sends to use their instincts really, 378 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.279 really well, and that's how they chose them. Isn't that interesting? 379 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.720 Oh? It is? Okay? How about that? 380 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:11.519 I know. 381 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:16.519 So targ of course says that all these phenomenalis are results, 382 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.920 say that indeed, these folks can be trained, that we 383 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:24.119 all have this ability. So Joe McGonagall ended up being 384 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:28.279 one of the star remote viewers. He was just naturally 385 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.599 good at it, so he says, when he was called 386 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.839 in to help with his kidnapping of General Doser, he 387 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.119 was able to name the city. He even drew a 388 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.400 streetmap that was about as accurate as you can get. 389 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:43.440 He gave them descriptions of the building where he was 390 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:44.119 being held. 391 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.400 I mean, that's just astounding. And then out of these results, 392 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.200 the government then began to work closely with Robert Monroe, who, 393 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.480 of course we've talked about a lot on this show. 394 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:55.799 He wrote the. 395 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.880 Famous book Journeys Out of the Body. The government worked 396 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:03.000 with him on the remote viewing program in nineteen eighty four, 397 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.880 Joe McGonagall was staying with him, and the US government 398 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.359 sent Monroe coordinates of Mars. So this was something Ingo 399 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.400 Swan started. He said, you know, just give me coordinates latitude, longitude, 400 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:16.880 and I can tune in and tell you what I 401 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:20.319