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Speaker 1: Hey Welcome home. I am Dean Sharp the House Whisper.
Speaker 1: I design custom homes. I build a few custom homes,
Speaker 1: and I am your guide to better understanding that place
Speaker 1: where you live. Every Saturday morning and Sunday morning live
Speaker 1: on the weekends Saturday's six to eight Pacific time, Sundays
Speaker 1: nine to noon Pacific time. Today on the program, actually
Speaker 1: today and tomorrow, we're doing a two parter. One part today,
Speaker 1: one part tomorrow. We're talking about big remodeling wins for
Speaker 1: a tract home. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 1: very simply this, tract homes have certain characteristics that will
Speaker 1: be diving into very shortly here, and there are certain things,
Speaker 1: certain elements of a tract home that are so worth
Speaker 1: considering adding to your remodel or including in your remodel
Speaker 1: because for you know, I'm not going to say free,
Speaker 1: because nothing is free in his life, but for the
Speaker 1: cost and time put into them, they are dish proportionately
Speaker 1: huge payoffs, big big payoffs. So this is a small
Speaker 1: bet with a big payoff for your tracked home. And
Speaker 1: there's a whole list of elements that do exactly that
Speaker 1: that if you are thinking about remodeling or getting ready
Speaker 1: to remodel, that you should consider adding to your list
Speaker 1: or your scope of work for your project so that
Speaker 1: you get the most out of all your money. So
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that today and tomorrow on the show.
Speaker 1: And of course, also as always, take your calls. Richie
Speaker 1: has opened up the phone lines right now. We've already
Speaker 1: got a call or too up there, but there's so
Speaker 1: much room for you. Early Saturday mornings here on the
Speaker 1: West Coast is a great time if you've ever thought
Speaker 1: about calling, to give me a call because traffic is light.
Speaker 1: As you could imagine. The number to reach me eight
Speaker 1: three three two. Ask Dean eight three three the numeral
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Speaker 1: you want to talk about regarding your home. It can
Speaker 1: be construction question, DIY concern. It can be a design question,
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Speaker 1: at all. We can talk about high and lofty concepts
Speaker 1: you and I, or we can talk about how to
Speaker 1: fix that leaky toilet or anything in between. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm here for, here to help you out. Let me
Speaker 1: introduce our awesome team. Sam as always is on the board.
Speaker 1: He is wrangling our not so live studio audience. Good morning, Sam,
Speaker 1: how you doing Dan? I'm actually really happy that I
Speaker 1: have on my resume live audience wrangler. There you go. See,
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have that. They're like, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: It's a skill, it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: You keep the you keep the babies from crying, You
Speaker 1: keep the laser guy under control. Who he shows up
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Speaker 1: I don't know how he gets that past security, but
Speaker 1: it's a thing. Uh So, Sam is Sam's always the
Speaker 1: best producer. Richie is standing by taking call. He's taking
Speaker 1: a call right now, so he's nowhere near a microphone.
Speaker 1: Always always a pleasure to work with. Richie. And guess
Speaker 1: who head their brooker at the news desk? Good morning, Hush,
Speaker 1: good morning.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here with you.
Speaker 1: Are you really though?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Always? Because you know, I always consider Saturday morning a
Speaker 1: punishment for personnel. No, no way, all right, I am.
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see you this morning. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I'm excited to be here. I always tell
Speaker 4: people I'm like, there is something like really like warm
Speaker 4: and inviting about starting the day with Dean and everybody here,
Speaker 4: because I mean, I love all the advice you give
Speaker 4: and all the great questions to answer. So I'm excited
Speaker 4: to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, I am just thrilled that you're here now. Normally
Speaker 1: sitting across the table from me is my better half,
Speaker 1: my design partner and the co founder of House Whisper,
Speaker 1: my best buddy in all the world, Tina. But I'm
Speaker 1: giving Tina the morning off this morning. I'm giving Tina
Speaker 1: the morning. Tina is taking the morning off.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you better be careful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I don't Tina anything when it comes to
Speaker 1: the business. We just make some decisions.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 1: She's had she's had a week, and so she's taken
Speaker 1: the morning for herself as she should, and I am
Speaker 1: here slepping along as I should as well. All Right, y'all,
Speaker 1: let's get into a conversation about big wins for a
Speaker 1: tract home, and we're going to start by having a
Speaker 1: discussion about what the very nature of tracked homes are
Speaker 1: and where their weaknesses are. Because correlated to those weaknesses
Speaker 1: are these big remodeling wins. And so that's good news.
Speaker 1: Every tract home has several weaknesses built into them, and
Speaker 1: it's good news if we understand what they are and
Speaker 1: the process of changing them and customizing them so that
Speaker 1: this home becomes yours. That is the pathway towards a
Speaker 1: big wins for a remodel relative to the time and
Speaker 1: the money that you spend. So when we come back,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the tract home, what
Speaker 1: it's all about. What is the inherent weaknesses that your
Speaker 1: home may still be displaying, how to get them fixed?
Speaker 1: We'll do that. Kf I Dean Sharp, the house Whisper
Speaker 1: at your service. Hey, whether your home is a condo,
Speaker 1: a cottage, or castle does not matter. I am here
Speaker 1: to help you take it to the next level. We're
Speaker 1: going to be going to the phones in just a bit.
Speaker 1: Here is the number to reach me. The callboard is
Speaker 1: open and we've got some calls. But I always pick
Speaker 1: calls randomly, so it doesn't matter whether you call in
Speaker 1: right at the last minute or now or have been
Speaker 1: sitting there for well, the show hasn't been on that
Speaker 1: long today, but you get the idea. There is always
Speaker 1: room for you and an equal shot to getting your
Speaker 1: question or concern on the The number to reach me
Speaker 1: eight three to three two. Ask dean eight three to three,
Speaker 1: the numeral two. Ask Dean. All right, it is time
Speaker 1: to talk about your tract home. Tract homes have strengths
Speaker 1: and weaknesses both. It's important that we understand what they
Speaker 1: are if we are going to be identifying these very
Speaker 1: very special category of wins for a tract home remodel.
Speaker 1: That for the amount of time and energy that you
Speaker 1: and money that you put into it, you gain a
Speaker 1: disproportionately big payoff. And that goes to the very heart
Speaker 1: of understanding what's going on with the tract home. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I'm going to share this today
Speaker 1: and tomorrow because this is really the premise or the
Speaker 1: foundation for understanding what these other strengths are tracked home Right,
Speaker 1: the latter half of the twentieth century, millions upon millions
Speaker 1: of these cookie cutter castles helped give birth to the
Speaker 1: American middle class. Really, developers buy a large tract of
Speaker 1: land hence tracked, which is then subdivided into individual lots
Speaker 1: upon which pre designed homes are built. There are lower
Speaker 1: income tracks, there are middle income tracks, and yeah, there
Speaker 1: are luxury tracts tracked home. Nonetheless, for a tracked home
Speaker 1: to be a tracked home, it falls under a certain
Speaker 1: category of features that we're about to list out. Homes
Speaker 1: are not custom homes. No matter what the target demographic,
Speaker 1: all track developments share certain characteristics. A developer will typically
Speaker 1: design what two to four plans for a tract, and
Speaker 1: then they'll utilize some tricks to give a neighborhood the
Speaker 1: illusion of variety. For instance, you take four plans, four
Speaker 1: floor plans, and then reverse them from left to right,
Speaker 1: and then you immediately have eight different floor plans. You
Speaker 1: have four, but you know four of them are flipped
Speaker 1: this way, four of them flip the opposite direction, and
Speaker 1: that gives that illusion of diversity. And then if you
Speaker 1: take each of those four houses and you have four
Speaker 1: different possible color palettes and or facade details out on front,
Speaker 1: then four times four of those equals sixteen. Now it
Speaker 1: looks like we've got sixteen different houses in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And you do the sixteen times two each of those
Speaker 1: flipped floor plans, and suddenly you've got thirty two unique
Speaker 1: and I'm using my air quotes here unique homes. But
Speaker 1: in the end there are only four actual different floor
Speaker 1: plans or four houses. That's a typical American tracked home
Speaker 1: neighborhood or tracked home development. And those are the techniques
Speaker 1: that are used. And this is where you might be
Speaker 1: thinking that that snooty custom home designer Dean dislikes tracked homes.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't at all. I live in one,
Speaker 1: and I've mentioned this many times before. I am fully
Speaker 1: aware that the affordability of track developments has been the
Speaker 1: very means by which most folks who own homes are
Speaker 1: able to buy a home in the first place. And
Speaker 1: that is perhaps their greatest strength. And that's not the
Speaker 1: only strength that a tract home has. A modern tract
Speaker 1: home is quite impressive in terms of its engineering. Where
Speaker 1: we live in California, I got to tell you I
Speaker 1: would much rather ride out an earthquake in a modest,
Speaker 1: recently built tract home than a wonder of architecture from
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. All Right, So there's that engineering just
Speaker 1: by definition of engineering standards improving through the years, and
Speaker 1: all homes having to be built according to current standards
Speaker 1: than what you have with a tract home is a
Speaker 1: typically a really, really substantially decent engineering system. So that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I love it. I also
Speaker 1: happened to love customizing tract homes. But to do it right,
Speaker 1: we need to understand their weaknesses as well. Now, I
Speaker 1: just said, for a mass produced product, the engineering is
Speaker 1: actually surprisingly good. But if you're looking for craftsmanship, then
Speaker 1: attract house or a house designed by spreadsheet and constructed
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, you know, is usually not where
Speaker 1: you're gonna find craftsmanship. But assuming that we're going to
Speaker 1: be redoing many of these things the right way as
Speaker 1: its owner, even a lack of craftsmanship isn't usually the
Speaker 1: biggest challenge for a tract home. There is a far,
Speaker 1: far bigger one. Can you guess what, in my estimation,
Speaker 1: is perhaps the largest weakness of a tract home? Hmm,
Speaker 1: let's think it through, shall we. I'm gonna I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 1: I'm going a wager that most of you are not
Speaker 1: going to come up with the answer that is roller
Speaker 1: around in my mind but I want you to give
Speaker 1: it some thought. What is potentially the largest weakness of
Speaker 1: a tracked home as it stands, we'll talk about that.
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Speaker 1: I hope the weather is acceptable. I hope you that
Speaker 1: you are doing okay with it wherever you are across
Speaker 1: our fine land. We are talking about tracked homes and
Speaker 1: big remodeling wins for a tract home, in other words,
Speaker 1: specific elements of a remodel that to get you a
Speaker 1: long way. If a tract home is what you're remodeling,
Speaker 1: so worth worth worth listening to. Also, we're going to
Speaker 1: be going to the phones. In fact, we'll be going
Speaker 1: to the phones right after the next news break. So
Speaker 1: if you haven't called in yet, the number to reach
Speaker 1: me eight three three two ask Dan A three three
Speaker 1: the numeral to ask Dan eight three three to ask
Speaker 1: d Okay before the break, I uh just hung this
Speaker 1: out there, and that is that you know, there are
Speaker 1: intrinsic weaknesses in a tracked home. What is, in my
Speaker 1: opinion as a custom home designer, what is the one
Speaker 1: of the largest, if not the largest, weakness of a
Speaker 1: tract home. And I asked you to challenge your brain
Speaker 1: see if you could come up with it. Here is
Speaker 1: the thing. I don't think. I think most people are
Speaker 1: going to miss this one. And it's understandable.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 1: Orientation on the lot, the orientation of the house on
Speaker 1: the lot. You're like, what, here's the thing? By definition,
Speaker 1: the house designs, you know, all four or five of
Speaker 1: them in any given tract were not created for any
Speaker 1: specific lot that they were to be sitting on. Okay, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is the very fundamental definition of a
Speaker 1: custom home. Okay, if you were to call me out
Speaker 1: and say, Dean, I want you to design me this
Speaker 1: home from the ground up. Here is our property. The
Speaker 1: very first thing we would be taking into account is, Okay,
Speaker 1: where is the property sitting? How is it oriented? Does
Speaker 1: it have a view? Is this north to south? Is
Speaker 1: it east to west? Where is the sun going to
Speaker 1: be traveling? Because a truly great custom home will be
Speaker 1: embracing taking advantage of warding off any problems with the
Speaker 1: orientation of the lot, but not a tract home. They
Speaker 1: are by definition not created for any specific lot. They're
Speaker 1: kind of created in a just a void space, you know,
Speaker 1: inside an architectural studio, which means the living room in
Speaker 1: a predesigned floor plan might be facing north on some lots,
Speaker 1: or south or east or west on others, and that
Speaker 1: orientation to the rising and the path and the setting
Speaker 1: of the sun radically changes the quantity and quality of
Speaker 1: light that every room receives and heat for that matter,
Speaker 1: in addition to compass orientation. Some of those floor plans
Speaker 1: get set on top of a hill, right if this
Speaker 1: is a tract that has lower and higher streets in
Speaker 1: terms of elevation. Some floorplans get views, some do not.
Speaker 1: Some are placed at the end of a cul de
Speaker 1: sac on a pie shaped lot with you know, ever
Speaker 1: growing large side yards. Others are soldiered in little parallel
Speaker 1: lines with minimal sideyards and privacy concerns between neighbors. So
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Despite all
Speaker 1: of these diverse orientations, the location of windows and doors
Speaker 1: and other important features on that predesigned home do not change,
Speaker 1: which means it's literally the luck of the draw as
Speaker 1: to whether your tracked homes orientation gets to take advantage
Speaker 1: of the lot or misses out on taking advantage of
Speaker 1: the lot. And even if some features align well, rarely
Speaker 1: almost unheard of of, rarely do they all line up
Speaker 1: and work. That is the luckiest of all luckiest tracked
Speaker 1: home floor plans, one that seems like it took into
Speaker 1: account everything about that lot. It didn't. It just happened
Speaker 1: to get sat on a lot that fitted its design well.
Speaker 1: So my point is this, A thoughtful remodel will attempt
Speaker 1: to correct some of these deficiencies and take advantage of
Speaker 1: whatever orientation the house finds itself in. An unthoughtful remodel
Speaker 1: will not even consider those things and jump right over
Speaker 1: them to you know what the color of the bathroom
Speaker 1: tile should be? And I have taught you better than that,
Speaker 1: my friend, Have I not? Yes? Because what do we
Speaker 1: say here on the program? Design matters most, and orienting
Speaker 1: a house to the lot that it finds itself on
Speaker 1: is rule one. We do not jump over the fundamentals.
Speaker 1: If you are looking to produce a beautifully, wondrously fantastic home.
Speaker 1: We have to obey the fundamentals, and there is nothing
Speaker 1: more fundamental than the cardinal directions of the compass, the
Speaker 1: path of the sun traveling through the sky, and the
Speaker 1: elevation and contour of the lot. These are the fundamentals
Speaker 1: that every house finds itself sitting within. And the best
Speaker 1: thing that we can do to that tracked home of
Speaker 1: yours that got sat on that lot without regard to
Speaker 1: these things, is to see which of those predesigned aspects
Speaker 1: that don't fit so well can be changed in order
Speaker 1: to better or fit and take full advantage of the
Speaker 1: to property orientation. Does that make sense? Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. We're gonna get some news, and
Speaker 1: then when we come back, we're going to take some calls,
Speaker 1: which can be about anything that's going on with your home,
Speaker 1: and then we will return to this subject of inherent
Speaker 1: tracked home weaknesses. I still got a couple more to
Speaker 1: talk about, and we're laying the foundation for this weekend
Speaker 1: of all Right, what's that list of things that we
Speaker 1: can do that make a big difference for a small
Speaker 1: amount of money. All of it continues, including your calls. Right, Hey,
Speaker 1: if I team sharp to house with her. Welcome home.
Speaker 1: Glad you're with us on the program this morning. We're
Speaker 1: talking about tracked homes, their inherent weaknesses, and how identifying
Speaker 1: those weaknesses opens the door for us to do some
Speaker 1: really significant advancements in your home's design for a minimal
Speaker 1: amount of we're taking full awareness I don't say taking
Speaker 1: advantage of your home's weaknesses, but we are using our
Speaker 1: awareness of the weaknesses and then turning right around and
Speaker 1: making designs that make a difference. That is today and tomorrow. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm laying the groundwork for it by discussing your tracked
Speaker 1: homes inherent weaknesses. We just talked about a bigie. I've
Speaker 1: got a couple more to go, but it's top of
Speaker 1: the hour. It's time to go to the phones, so
Speaker 1: let's do it. I want to talk to Jerry. Hey, Jerry,
Speaker 1: welcome home.
Speaker 3: Good morning, sir. How are you?
Speaker 1: I am well? How can I help you?
Speaker 3: Well? First of all, I would be remiss if I
Speaker 3: didn't compliment you how lucky your listenership is and your audience,
Speaker 3: because you do just a phenomenal job of articulating the
Speaker 3: most easiest detail imaginable, but you put it all into perspective,
Speaker 3: and your audience is lucky to have you, sir.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Jerry. All right, your check is in the mail.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, it's coming. I appreciate you give you.
Speaker 3: I'll give you just a little history. I'm a retired
Speaker 3: general contractor for thirty three years. I sold my business
Speaker 3: in Huntington Beach a few years ago, but my brother
Speaker 3: has now called me into duty to build him a
Speaker 3: steam shower in one of his bathrooms. Oh okay, I've
Speaker 3: done a few of those a few years ago, but
Speaker 3: wanted to date your take. I've always used the mister
Speaker 3: steam unit. It seemed to be the most popular unit.
Speaker 3: But my question to you is when I would do
Speaker 3: bathroom models or such. You know, I would usually take
Speaker 3: everything for the shower or you down to studs tay,
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen thirty pounds paper wire mesh and then
Speaker 3: have the voice flow out the walls. But my question
Speaker 3: to you is with new products, well I'm not necessarily
Speaker 3: brand new, but new products that may not require floating
Speaker 3: out the walls per se. I know we've used a
Speaker 3: hearty type some them boards to do that and then
Speaker 3: red guarded that and then apply either tile or solid
Speaker 3: surface materials to the walls. But I wanted to get
Speaker 3: your take with the Smowter sheeting that's available. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to take advantage of your expertise and see how
Speaker 3: you would go about doing the prep and the finished
Speaker 3: work on that.
Speaker 1: Okay, really good question, Jerry and so, and by the way,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. It's it's always a double compliment
Speaker 1: when when builders, experienced builders, you know, call in and
Speaker 1: say that they like the show that that that bol
Speaker 1: everybody else's confidence as well along the way. So you know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Jar, the same situation that you've experienced
Speaker 1: throughout your career. Yeah, there are all sorts of newer
Speaker 1: materials than the old building paper and you know and
Speaker 1: mortar build up and float of the wall. Is there
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that old system? There really isn't. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with the old system. The newer systems they
Speaker 1: save time, they can save money because they are you know,
Speaker 1: intrinsically water proof boards. I love hardybacker board in a
Speaker 1: shower with a red guard on it. I still, by
Speaker 1: the way, still and I don't know, this is just
Speaker 1: the old school in me. I still put a membrane
Speaker 1: against the studs before I put up hardy backer board,
Speaker 1: even though I'm gonna, you know, put a red guard
Speaker 1: coating on the front. Red guard everybody is a liquid
Speaker 1: uh liquid applied waterproofing membrane that you literally brush or
Speaker 1: roll on in uh in a couple of different coats
Speaker 1: and it forms this this this great waterproofing membrane can
Speaker 1: be used for shower pans, can be used for shower
Speaker 1: walls uh in you know, in pans instead of the
Speaker 1: classic tar and hot mopping procedure. But the intrinsic weakness
Speaker 1: of any new system is the straightness of the studs,
Speaker 1: you know, because the the advantage of the old float
Speaker 1: system when we're putting on a good amount of base
Speaker 1: mortar uh is the fact that you know, if we've
Speaker 1: got a boat out stud or we've got a boat
Speaker 1: in stud uh, we don't have to follow that line
Speaker 1: and you know, end up with a warped wall because
Speaker 1: the the very nature of the tile guys floating that wall,
Speaker 1: they straighten it out with the thickness of the material
Speaker 1: that they've got. So it's like the difference between old
Speaker 1: plaster walls and dry wall walls. You know, if we're
Speaker 1: using and they're all great by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's a hard hardy backer system, whether it's shlowter panels.
Speaker 1: These new waterproof foam panels that are coming out all great,
Speaker 1: no problem, but they are rigid panels that simply adhere
Speaker 1: to the studs, which means the studs have got to
Speaker 1: be straight, otherwise the panel is going to be warped.
Speaker 1: So that's really the key to the whole thing. So
Speaker 1: if you take the time to make sure that the
Speaker 1: studs are straight, or that you get them furred out properly,
Speaker 1: or get them plane down if one is bowing in,
Speaker 1: then there's no reason not in my opinion, to use
Speaker 1: one of these newer systems, because they are waterproof as heck,
Speaker 1: and they're great surfaces for applying tile directly too. But
Speaker 1: you know they're going to be as straight and as
Speaker 1: smooth as the wall behind them. And then as far
Speaker 1: as the steam unit itself, you know it's I also
Speaker 1: prefer mister Steam. In fact, I can't remember the last
Speaker 1: time that I didn't use a mister Steam unit. They're
Speaker 1: just head and shoulders in my opinion, above the rest.
Speaker 1: And you know, the key these days with mister Steam,
Speaker 1: as always is uh, you have to calculate the material
Speaker 1: that you're using, the square footage, the material, the kind
Speaker 1: of material, because the steam unit sizing is all about
Speaker 1: how cold the walls are and what kind of thermal
Speaker 1: resistance they have in order to properly pump that space
Speaker 1: full of steam. So ceramic tile has one rating, marble
Speaker 1: or granite has another rating, and then the glass that's
Speaker 1: at least on one wall for the door of the shower,
Speaker 1: if not many walls, has a different rating as well.
Speaker 1: But the cool thing about mister steam units is there's
Speaker 1: a formula that you just build in how many square
Speaker 1: feet of marble, how many square feet of glass, how
Speaker 1: many cubic feet of space inside the shower, and boom
Speaker 1: they hand you here's the unit, here's the proper unit. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then you go to town. So that's it.
Speaker 3: Jared, would would you we've done something that we've put
Speaker 3: tile in. We're looking at possibly using solid surface porcelain
Speaker 3: like three H porcelain for the shallow walls. Is that
Speaker 3: something or is there another solid surface so that we
Speaker 3: eliminate grout lines that require cleaning and everything else. What
Speaker 3: would be your best suggestion there, sir.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it all comes down to the design.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't, I don't, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Solid surface, porcelain, quartz stone, marble, regular, old you know,
Speaker 1: four dollars a square foot white subway tile off the
Speaker 1: shelf at home depot. Really all depends on that. But
Speaker 1: if you're minimizing grout lines of that's what you want
Speaker 1: to go for. You want to go for large surface
Speaker 1: tiles where the grout lines are few and far between.
Speaker 1: And if you want to take the extra step epoxy
Speaker 1: based grouts so that they are non porous, non staining,
Speaker 1: you just have to have somebody installing that epoxy grout
Speaker 1: that knows what they're talking about. Jerry, I am at
Speaker 1: the top of the hour and they are bugging me
Speaker 1: to go to a break. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your call, my friend. I appreciate the support, Thanks for
Speaker 1: listening to the show. And hopefully you know you got this,
Speaker 1: you got it under control. I can already tell all, right, y'all,
Speaker 1: more of your calls when we return. You are listening
Speaker 1: to Home with Dean Sharp the House Whisper on KFI.
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