Speaker 1: Are you actually suggesting that from the futures to eliminate
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
You can't handle the truth.
Speaker 2: I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Speaker 3: Game over man, Game.
Speaker 4: Over, back off man. I'm a scientist.
Speaker 5: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause
to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
it's more like a big ball of web, wobbly tiny.
Whymy stuff.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Unknown Origins Radio with Irene Allen Block,
Bruce Pearson and Mark Johnson.
Speaker 1: And good evening, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Unknown
Origins re I'm Mark Johnson, along with our hosts Bruce Pearson.
Hi tonight, Bruce, excellent, Mark, how are you?
Speaker 6: And hello to everyone from the Central Jersey area in
the East coast of the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, we've got that portion of the country covered and
now we have Irene Alan Block all the way across
the pond in the UK. Harry tonight, Irene.
Speaker 2: I'm fine tonight, and this is coming from the Windy
Wales in the UK.
Speaker 1: Windy Whales. Yeah, you've got another name storm coming through
there now.
Speaker 2: No, we're going through it right now. At the moment,
it's Jake this time.
Speaker 1: Jake. Okay. Yeah, like I said, another named storm. They
can't you'll have like Bertha Ethel or you know, Calliope.
Speaker 2: Well, I want them to name one after me, Irene.
But at the moment, the only one that's ever been
named after me was your hurricane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a kind of a weak feeble purricane too,
if I remember. Oh oh it was a poor follow
up to Katrina.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So anyway, here we are, another great week, another time
here in the paranormal. Bruce, I just wanted to ask you.
Last week you were out with our friend Bruce Tango
at our Merchants and Drovers tavern for the talk. How
did that go? Oh?
Speaker 6: It was great. We had a great turnout both nights,
a lot of engaging discussion and follow up. It really was.
It was a great evening both times, and we race
a good money for the museum. Fascinating place. It's been
around since late seventeen hundreds, has a lot of history
associated with it. So yeah, very happy with it. It
was a lot of fun. I really appreciate Bruce asking
me out and like I said it was very good cause,
so I'm very pleased with that.
Speaker 1: Good good. I wish I could get down the next
time he has one of these, I need to get
down and hang out with him and hang out with
everybody else. Now, was there anybody else there? He sometimes
gets some of the ghost hundred people to come out
with him, just he and I just you too. Well,
then people paid to actually go see you.
Speaker 6: Guys, That's what I hear. So yeah, it was a
lot of fun. And you know, I really enjoy getting out.
I mean I did over three hundred public speaking events
for the Coast Guard when I was a public affairs officer,
so I enjoyed doing that.
Speaker 1: Good good. Well, we've got a packed show tonight, so
I think we're going to go right ahead and introduce
our guest. He is an author with a new book
coming out called The Ascension Code, the true story of
one man struggle with extraterrestrials and its profound, meaningful humanity,
and he is also the owner of what's known as
the Stardust Ranch down in Arizona. So we'd like to
welcome John Edmonds to the program.
Speaker 5: How are you tonight, John, I'm fine, Thank you. Mark
thank you for having me on the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. Now. I have to admit
i've heard some of your story before, and your book
is not yet released. It's coming out next week, is
that right?
Speaker 5: Well, we've had a couple of little complications with a publisher.
It will be out sometime in the next few weeks.
I'm hoping by middle of April at the latest. The
book publishing and the book writing thing are two different things, obviously,
and the writing part wasn't so bad, but the publishing
thing has gotten a little more complicated. And it will
be out. It will be. It's on pre sale with Amazon,
and it'll get out there.
Speaker 1: Great. I can't wait to read it. So I guess
we should start off by have you explained a little
bit of what made you write this book and what
started all of this that came about into your lives?
Speaker 5: Well, it's a long story, it's a bit complicated. Where
would you like me to begin with it?
Speaker 1: I guess purchasing the property. Are you come across that,
and what happened once you bought the property?
Speaker 5: Okay, In nineteen ninety six, my wife and I found
ourselves searching for a ranch here in Arizona, and we
needed to stay in a semi urban area, like within
driving distance of Phoenix because we were both separately employed
working in mental health, and you know, we needed to
be within say an hour hour and fifteen minutes of town.
And we looked everywhere and it just had gotten to
the point where, you know, the market was pretty good here.
It was pretty expensive, but you know, we were searching,
and then out of the blue, we got a call
from our realtor and he said, look, you need to
come out. I'll pick you up. We'll take you out
to this ranch. It's kind of far out, it's in
a very unusual area, but we think you'll like it.
And I said, okay. We got in the car. We
drove out to Rainbow Valley, which is about thirty five
miles southwest of Phoenix, Arizona, and were I was stunned.
My wife wasn't particularly impressed, but I thought it was beautiful.
It had all the attributes of from a physical point
of view, of being someplace like care Free or some
of the more really exotic, expensive areas that surround Maricopa County.
And I thought, man, this is a great deal. And
I loved it. Instantly didn't have any bad feelings about it.
I looked at her after we went through and toured
the property and everything, and I said, I think we
should buy this place. And she looked at me and
she goes, and I don't know, get some weird feelings
about this area out here. And at the time, you know,
I guess I just decided on my own, but I
was going to buy it, and so I pushed and
we bought it. We moved out June first of nineteen
ninety six, and from the get go the weirdness started.
The people that we actually bought the property from I
paid cash for it, turned around and they didn't move,
and we couldn't get hold of anybody. We drove out
to the property in the truck full of all our
stuff from Glendale and they hadn't moved, and we were
horrified because we had no place to go. We called
the realtor. The realtor turned around and he was equally
perplexed as we were, and told me, go out to
a movie, go out to dinner, go out through something,
give me a few hours here I'll get it worked out.
And I thought, well, all right, so we did that.
We went out to two movies. We went out for
a meal, and when we returned, indeed their stuff was gone.
The only problem was it wasn't gone from the entire property.
It was all in the diving pool that sat out
next to the house. And so you know, we had
literally from appliances and sofas and tables and you name it,
everything was in the pool. So of course that was
not an acceptable solution to their moving and so I
called him back up again and I said, look, the
stuff's out of the house, but now it's all in
the pool. What the heck is going on here? And
he says, what do you mean, it's all in the pool?
And I said, come out and drive out here yourself
and look at it. So he drove out and he's like, yeah,
it's in the pool. But I had no idea why
I didn't do it. And I said, well, did you
pay somebody to come in here and move the stuff?
And he goes no. I made a phone call to them.
I got hold of them. They said they'd have it
out of there. They were mixed up apparently on the
date when they were supposed to move out, And here
we are, and I said, well, you're going to have
to figure something out, and he goes, you know what,
this is a done deal to pay cash for it.
I'm sorry, I'm out. And that was the last I
heard of him for quite a while.
Speaker 1: Lovely ridiculous. I mean, okay, So, I mean, how long
did the furniture stay there before you could get rid
of it?
Speaker 5: Well, it took me about three four days of moving
it myself with a hand, Dolly and I hired a
couple of people and we just dragged it all out,
through it out in front of the ranch on the
street and lo and behold, within about twenty four hours,
forty eight hours, it was all gone. So we thought
that problem was over with. But then the next thing
that happened was is that we were My wife had
gone back to work on Monday, and I was taking
some time off with the idea that I was going
to get the place in shape and try to get
everything done so that you know, we could actually you know,
have a semi normal life, you know how it is
after you move. And I saw a guy walk up
the driveway, kind of a disheveled looking man in his forties, shorts,
kind of a cut off, you know, like an army
kind of fatigued type of shirt with the sleeves cut off,
and just you know, he looked pretty rough, and he's
carrying the machete of all things. And he walked up
to the house, or very close to the house, and
I said to myself, this does not look like a
good thing. So I had previously purchased a firearm, and
I took the three fifty seven that I kind of
used for self defense and stuck it down in the
back of my pants and I walked out to meet him,
and I asked him what he was doing here, and
he says, well, what are you doing here? And I said, well,
I live here. He says, no, you don't. Said, well,
I just bought the place. I paid cash for it.
I've moved in. This is my ranch. Why are you here?
And he just looked at me and he goes, well,
you see that building back there, that white building, And
I said yeah, because that's where I live. And I said, well,
nobody told me that you came with the property. You're
not supposed to be here. And he just looked at
me and he goes, well, I work here and I
live here. And I said, well, you know, I'm sorry,
but right now I don't have a need for your services.
I said, if you have any you know, personal possessions
or anything that are back there and that building back there,
please go and get them, and you know, let's get
you out of here, he said. He looked at me
and he kind of laughed, and he had this machete
with a piece of twine or rather like a leather
material attached around the handle, and he was just kind
of moving it back and forth. And you I thought
to myself, Man, I hope I don't have to shoot
this guy. You know, first day on the property, first
week on this ranch. I don't want have to shoot anybody.
And you know, he just looked at me and he goes,
you know, you're going to be really really sorry when
I'm gone. And I looked at him and I said, no,
I'm not. I'm actually looking forward to it. Would you
please hurry up and get your stuff and get gone.
I don't want to have to call the sheriff. And
he goes, you know what my job is And I said, now,
your job's to leave, and he looked at me and
he says, no, my job is to make sure that
this ranch is free of monsters and I said to myself, monsters,
what kind of monsters? And he looked at me, and
he goes, you'll find out without me around, the monsters
are going to be a real bad situation for you.
And he kind of just laughed and looked a little
crazy out of the side of his eye and walked
back to the building back there, which we call the
tack room because we use it for horse supplies. And
he grabbed a couple of hands, turned around him, walked
off the property. And that was the end of it.
And I thought, man, I've only been here, not even
a whole week yet, and it's already starting up strange.
Speaker 1: I mean, keeping the monsters at bay, And you know,
I would have to ask, did you ever find find
out how he supposedly was doing that?
Speaker 5: Now? I never saw him again after that. It was,
you know, and I actually had some regrets. I mean,
if I could go back in time and redo that situation,
I definitely would have done it differently. But at the time,
you know, we're out in the middle of several hundred
thousand acres of wild desert there. Especially when we moved
out here, there was nobody else out here except us,
And I mean We're twelve miles just from the nearest
main access road that goes into Arizona into Phoenix via
I ten, which is the big freeway, and the nearest
gas is like twelve miles away, The nearest store, the
nearest anything was twelve miles away, and so, you know,
I really wasn't too interested at the time. And having
a guy carrying a weapon that size just stroll up
to my front door and you know, actually he did,
that's kind of put off by Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean what happened after that? Did things were
able to get in and get settled.
Speaker 5: Well, we got settled in, and the next big thing
that happened was I needed to get a phone, and
I needed to get you know, just the basic things
like you know, satellite service looked up and all that
kind of thing. And I called the local phone company
and I said, guys, I need to get you know,
my phone hooked up. And they said, sure, we'll be
happy to do that, and they made an appointment with me.
And the day that the guy was supposed to come
out and install the phone, nobody showed up. And I
waited an extra hour and then I called them and
I said, you know, hey, guys, I'm supposed to have
a phone put in today. You know, I've got the
phone jacks are already in. All I need is somebody
to you know, hook up the you know, the box.
And the lady who answered the phone and she said, well,
we have a problem. And I said, well, what's the problem.
And she says, I can't get anybody to go out
to your ranch. And I said, what do you mean
you can't get anybody. It's not that far from Phoenix,
you know. And I at this time, I'm still under
the impression that the ranch is not, you know, any
big deal or anything different than any other place. And
I'm just thinking to myself, man, the service out here
in the west really sucks, you know, because I'm from
back East and you don't have those kind of problems
back east. And you know, I was really put off
by it. And I said, well, how am I supposed
to get a phone? And she says, well, let me
figure that out and i'll call you back. Well, two
days went by and nobody called me back. So I
finally called her back again and I said, look, I'm
the guy out here in Rainbow Valley. He's trying to
get his phone put in and she says, yes, yes, sorry,
mister Edmunds, I think I've got the situation worked out.
I will send a truck back out to you. And
so I thought, all right, you know, I'll just overlook this,
not a big deal. And so finally a guy came out,
you know, you know, work truck, and when he got
out of the truck, he looked like he was just
scared to death. And I looked at him and I said, Hi,
I'm John Edmonds. You're at the right place. Can you
go ahead and put in my installation for my phone?
And the guy literally almost sounded like he was stuttering,
he was so afraid. And I looked at him. I said, sir,
I'm a nice guy. I'm not here to yell at you.
I'm not here to give you a problem or anything else.
Just put in the phone and we're good. And he
looked at me. He goes, do you know what this
place is? And I said, yeah, it's a ranch in
the middle of nowhere, and he goes, no, no, no,
have you ever heard the stories about this place? And
I said no, I haven't heard any stories. I said,
I bought it. I thought it was nice looking area
and it's going to be fun, maybe get some horses
or something. And he goes, well, you don't have the
history of the place, and I said, no, sirr, I don't.
And I said, so, why are you so afraid? He goes, well,
nobody wanted to come out here, and I said, yeah,
I kind of get that figured out when nobody showed
up for the first appointment. And he turned around and
he said, we drew straws to figure out who's going
to get stuck coming out here. And I said, well,
you guys are certainly not winning any awards for customer
service right now, so could you just put in the
phone police. So he finally came in, he did his thing,
got the phone put in at worked. I was happy,
and he started telling me about the various different stories
of all the things that happened out here, and I
was actually dumbfounded. And from the very first time that
this ranch was built, apparently the man who built it,
you know, loved the idea of putting in the ranch
and building the buildings and everything. That was all good,
But when he brought it out, or brought his wife
out to show it to her as a secret surprise,
she was so horrified by the energy out here that
she said she would divorce him before she would ever
move into it. And so they never even moved in.
They just put it up on the market for sale
right away. That was just the very initial building of
it back in nineteen seventy seven. From there, the people
that bought the ranch turned it into actually a pretty profitable,
good place, and it sounded like they had things pretty
well put together. They were raising cattle out here. They
were doing you know, baby calves one day, old calves,
and they would go ahead and raise them up and
then turn around and sell them. And they were making
a heck of a lot of money until one day,
the day before the sun, the oldest son was supposed
to graduate from high school here for no good reason
at all. Apparently he put a shotgun in his mouth
and blew his head off sitting in the living.
Speaker 1: Room, gees, for no reason that they knew of.
Speaker 5: But well, nobody that I ever spoke to could tell
me why. Apparently they made good money. Everybody was you know,
on board as far as you know, having the stuff
that they needed. They all had you know, cars, They
were all doing their thing. The kid was success us
full as brothers and sisters were doing well in school.
Apparently there was no good reason behind it. It just happened. Wow,
So it just kind of goes on from there. I mean,
do you want me to just kind of go through
the story or do you want to stop and ask
me questions? What works for you? Martin?
Speaker 1: Well, at this point, I just I'm curious. You're hearing
all this strange stuff, and obviously you're you're probably having
second thoughts that Okay, great, you bought the crazy ranch.
Speaker 5: Well that's it. And actually what was really bothering me
was the fact that my wife had been right and
I had been probably wrong. And I felt like, oh
my god, how am I ever going to tell her
this stuff? You know? And she and I had always
made a promise since the very day that we got married,
never to have any secrets, and you know, to always
be honest with each other, and we'd always done that.
We in fact, we've still done it. We've been married
almost twenty five years, and you know, I knew I
was going to have to come clean with her and
tell her all this stuff. So I wasn't looking forward
to that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me jump in here. Did you were you
able to get any information from the local papers or
just what this fella from the phone company I told you,
I mean, did you did you try to corroborate anything
beyond obviously the suicide and those type of things, just
try to try to get a handle on what exactly
was going on.
Speaker 5: I actually did go into town. The nearest town is Buckeye, Arizona,
which is about fourteen miles let's see, it would be
north northwest of US. And I did try to go
in and look a few things up, check things on
the computer, things like that, and I did get confirmation
of it. You know, the the apparently there was a
long string of owners, you know, that somebody would buy
the ranch, they would do something with it, they'd have
a terrible experience, and then they would turn around and
just either walk away from it and abandon it, or
they would turn around and sell it for practically nothing.
And that apparently is kind of what we walked into.
Was the folks that we bought it from. You know,
they had bought it directly from the bank. They'd gotten
it for practically nothing. They turned around, they threw some
pain on it, they threw some carpeting in it, and
they turned around and spipped it up a little bit,
and then they sold it to us.
Speaker 1: So when you've got the ranch, you of course have
all these strange people, strange stories. But when did you
actually start having strange experiences.
Speaker 5: Well, within a few days after the events that I've
already previously stated, we began to see what we called
orange orbs in the south sky. And at first I thought, wow,
you know, we're out here in the middle of the desert,
you know, and at nighttime out here, it's like, it's
amazing in terms of being able to look up in
the sky and see so many stars. The evenings here
are pretty spectacular. And then when we started seeing these orbs,
I thought, wow, those are like UFOs. That's pretty weird.
And you know, we would see them on a regular basis,
and I started actually photographing them, and then eventually I
started videotaping them. And they were fascinating because you would
see one and it would just all of a sudden
turn on, like somebody just turned on a light bulb,
and then you'd see two more, and then you change
your perspective a little bit, and two or three more
would turn on, and sometimes you would see, you know,
a dozen or more of these things, and so I
was fascinated with them, and I am a jeep and
I thought, you know what, I'm going to drive out
there and see what these things are. Well, I had
no idea that when you look out into the desert
sky at night, it's kind of like looking out into
the ocean. You really can't see how far it is.
And so you know, if you actually started driving the
moment that you saw these lights, by the time you
actually got there, they'd be gone because they were actually
about seventeen miles away from the ranch due south. And
when driving out in the desert at night, you got
to be really careful. I mean, you always got to
be careful when you go out in the desert, but
especially when you go out at night, because there's no
lights out there obviously, and so you got to be
really careful about hitting something, running over it, getting a
flat tire, that kind of thing. So you know, when
I went out there and looked at these things, you know,
I brought a camera. I ended up bringing like binoculars,
and these things are huge. I mean they look like,
you know, little blips in the night sky from seventeen
miles away. But when you get actually within you know,
a few thousand feet of them, you realize that these
things are quite large, and on top of that, they
actually look three dimensional. And then you know, when you
look at them, you can actually see what looks like
things inside of them. And you know, I was just
blown away by that. I mean, I had no idea
that this was going to be, you know, such an
unusual thing. And the other thing is is that when
you look at them, sometimes it almost looks like you're
looking at the opening to a tunnel, and so it
almost looks like they go somewhere, you know, like there's
depth to them and you're seeing like the end of it.
But so, you know, I was fascinated by seeing these orbs.
We've been watching them off and on now for nineteen years.
Uh you know, I have, you know, a couple of
hours a video of different times that we've seen them.
They change colors sometimes sometimes they go from orange to
sort of a weird looking green. We see these black
things inside of them. We see all these black lines
that look like, I don't know what you would call
all of them. We used to say they look like
smoker lungs, because you would see this black sort of
nasty stuff inside of them. And I mean you could
see that much detail, and I had that all on video.
Speaker 1: John, Are you still there? Yeah, I mean, oh okay,
it sounded like you cut out there for a second.
Speaker 5: The possible.
Speaker 1: So all these lights that you started seeing, now, did
they did? You said that they started They seemed like
they were miles away, not quite on your property.
Speaker 5: Did you just say? What?
Speaker 1: Did you start seeing anything on your property?
Speaker 5: Not right away? You know, we we we saw the orbs.
And the other interesting thing was that said a lot
of times small you would see the orbs, we would
see military response to the orbs, and that was pretty fascinating. Uh.
Sometimes we would see groups of like army attack helicopters
in small groups of three and four that would travel
south down the main road out in front of the
ranch and they would be less than one hundred feet
off the ground and they would go out and they
would actually interact with these objects. Other times we would
see f sixteens, f fifteens going out you know, this
is back in the late nineties, you know, going out
to interact with them, and it was they couldn't even
keep up with them. These objects would move around so
fast that the jets would just be left you in
the dust behind them. Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, did we said you had this activity happening over
your property. You've had people tell you about monsters and
strange things on your property, suicides. Were you ever were
you ever harassed by anybody else coming in, either by
the military or anybody else threatening you about what you're
seeing around your property?
Speaker 5: Well, to give you an idea, I started going online
and trying to find places that I could report or
that I could get more information about all this. I
was pretty much new to the whole UFO paranormal thing,
you know, I didn't really have a ton of experience
with it. And so one of the things that I
had come on to was what they called the cause
website CAUs all Encaps, that was run by a gentleman
by the name of Peter Gerston. And I used to
go on there all the time and make these reports
about everything that we saw because I thought it was
important to create a record of it in the not
too distant future. From that period of time when I
was doing that, we actually had a visit from what
they call the men in Black, and they typically just
started pretty much like what you always hear, and that
is one or two guys up. You know, they're wearing
black suits. They literally had like this almost like looks
like chicken skin, uncooked chicken skin. It's the only thing
that I could, you know, say that it reminded me
of or the color of, like a corpse, very pale skin,
dark glasses, you know, the whole thing. And at the time,
I thought, man, this is you know, this is absurd.
I mean, this is just so stereotypical. And you know,
part of me laughed about it, and part of me
just was horrified the fact that I was actually cleaning
a number of guns on a picnic table outside when
they pulled up in front in an suv and came
through the gates. At that time, you know, I thought
to myself, this can't be happening. This is just so
it's just off the wall, you know. And yet the
guys came up. They walked up the path, the main road,
up to where I was standing, and I actually had
a friend over at that and we both looked at
him and I said, my friend looked at me and goes, John,
those are the men in black. And I said, yeah,
I know, I've heard the stories I'm sure I believe him,
but you know this, this seems too real not to believe.
And when they came up came up to us, I
asked them for identification, which they refused to show me,
and they just started telling me you need to stop
making those reports. And I said, what reports are you
speaking of? And you know, no details, nothing, Just do
you need to stop making those reports? And I looked
at him and I said, do you see what I'm
doing here? That picnic table's full of guns? I said,
does that mean anything to you? No expression on their faces,
no change of demeanor or anything else. They just told
me that the information at this location needs to cease
and that I need to just forget about ever seeing them.
And they turned around a lot. That was the end
of it. Never saw him again. But again another very
strange example.
Speaker 1: We're talking with John Edmonds, the author of the upcoming
book Ascension Code. For those listeners that are tuning in
to us tonight on Jersey Talk Radio. If you go
to the YouTube and go to the Jersey Talk Radio
live stream, you can see our video as well as John.
I have your website up here, which is Alienranch dot
Weheeble dot com. So people can see if you want
to visit that. You have some very interesting pictures on
your website, especially this gray guy right here on the
very front page. The men in black situation. It's curious
that they pulled up in an suv. Most tales you
hear of men in black is you know, they pull
up in like out of time, brand new looking caddies
from the fifties. So it was like a more of
a modern type of vehicle.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I actually when I first saw the vehicle, you know,
it was like a dark blue like a Chevy suburban,
you know, with barn doors on the back. And I thought,
you know, that's interesting, and I looked at the plate.
It was a white plate, you know, with dark riding
on it and said US Government. And that's how I
knew they were US government, or at least you know,
I thought they were. And at first I thought, you know,
this can't be good. I'm you know, kind of wondering
if maybe it was something to do with the Department
of Agriculture, because you know, we have a ranch, and
that it wasn't it turned out to be these what
I call the men in black.
Speaker 1: Now, when you bought the ranch, were you planning on
raising you doing cattle, or doing doing other types of animals.
Were you going to operate it as a ranch or
were you looking more of just having a large property a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of all of it. I had never I
had never, you know, done anything with farming or anything else.
I mean, I was a guy from Evanston, Illinois, just
a small suburb north to Chicago. And when I was
a kid, I used to watch all the you know,
the uh Sunday uh you know TV shows, you know,
with cowboys and Indians and all that stuff. And I thought, man,
horses are cool. I want to have a horse someday.
And so I was a big fan of horses. And
then when I came out to Arizona, I actually came
out to go to school get my undergraduate degree. In
my graduate degree, and I thought, you know what this is.
If I'm going to be here and I'm going to
live in Arizona, I don't want to live in an apartment.
I want to have a ranch. I was always very
attracted to the kind of the Old West as far
as Arizona went. And you know, I just said to myself, man,
I'm going to have a ranch. And when I looked
started looking around for homes. You know, this ranch was
in the same price range as most starter homes, and
I thought for ten acres for a night house with
a pool, with a guesthouse with a big barn. I thought,
I can't beat that. So that's how we got into
the ranch. Then when we got here, we'd only been
here maybe I don't know, sixty days, and we got
a letter from the county saying that they were thinking
about changing the zoning and they said that if you
have horses or if you have live stack, then you
will be granddaddied in permanently. But if you don't have
horses or live stock, you can't ever have them. And
so I thought to myself, Wow, I think we better
get some horses. And I had been taking rides out
into the desert anyway, and each time that I went
out and I went south and I went to that
sort of UFO area, I used to see horses out there.
And the thing about the horses were that they didn't
look like wild horses. They look like domestic horses. And
you can kind of tell if you know anything about horses,
or or you spend a little time studying it. The
difference because wild horses are not particularly interested in coming
up to you and having any kind of interaction, whereas
domestic horses will acknowledge you, they will turn around to
face you. They actually have an interest in you because
they think you might have something for them to eat,
and so they'll let you approach or they'll actually approach you.
And you know, I started saying myself, Wow, they got
all these horses out here. I wonder why they're here.
So I started doing some checking on that, and I
started finding out that people were driving their horses out
into the desert and abandoning them rather than placing them
in good homes or doing any kind of work to
try to, you know, get them into a different situation,
you know, kind of like craigs will as rehoming them
or something like that. And so I thought, you know what,
these horses look hungrye they you know, they're kind of skinny.
I'm going to go get some hay and see what happens.
And so, you know, I rove back down towards the freeway,
which at that time from there was about twenty seven
miles one way, and I got a couple of bales
of hey threw them in the back of the jeep
and took them out there, and lo and behold, the
horses were just more than happy to enjoy some hey
and have what they used to be familiar with. And
after I did that a couple of times, I had
a small herd of horses. It would always show up
whenever I'd go out there to feed them, and gradually
they started following, following me back to the ranch. And
that's how I ended up getting horses, was that we
literally had the horses that followed us from the desert
down the road on the side of the road and
back to the ranch, and we got our first maybe
seven or eight horses that way.
Speaker 1: Great, Irene, You have a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, when you first moved in, did you find
that everybody was vague about talking about the ranch? What
about other ranches in the vicinity? Were they having the
same sort of problems?
Speaker 5: There aren't At the time, there weren't any other ranches
out here. We literally were like the only place for
in the middle of about two hundred thousand acres.
Speaker 1: I see, what.
Speaker 2: About people like if you went to the shop or
something like that or supermarket, was there anybody forth coming
on talking about it. What did you just know?
Speaker 5: I did approach a few people. I did approach a
few people, and you know, I identified myself. I said, Hi,
you know, I'm John Huedgends. I bought that ranch out
there in the middle of the desert. And the moment
that I would say that, people would pick a couple
of steps back, and I thought, Oh, what did they do?
What did they say? And they would say, why in
the world would you move out there? You know? And
I would just look at them and I'd say, because
it's really pretty out there. I like it. It's very peaceful.
And they would just kind of shudder and look at
each other, and they didn't even really want to talk
to me. Nobody wanted to associate with us immediately.
Speaker 1: Oh damn it.
Speaker 2: It's near Phoenix, isn't it. I'm just you say it's
near Phoenix.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's about thirty five miles for southwest of Phoenix.
You know. And the weird thing about Arizona is that
if you're not familiar with any particular place out here,
I mean, people people here are kind of like city people,
and that is they go by blocks, they go by
you know, neighborhoods and things like that most people never
had even heard of this place. They had no idea
that it even existed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard of the Phoenix Nights. I'm wondering if
it ties back to anything from that time.
Speaker 5: You know, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: Now. When did it really When did the activity really
start to get bizarre?
Speaker 5: Well, as time went by, we started feeling more and
more insecure out here. The energy to me seemed to change.
In about ninety I want to say, about ninety seven
or ninety eight, we went from being uninitiated and perplexed
and feeling uncomfortable to being pretty much downright angry about
things that were going on here. We began to see
things on the ranch where we started seeing creatures that
were in the vicinity of the ranch that clearly were
the monsters that the machete man was telling us about.
And gradually I became I sort of began acquiring more
and more weapons. That was kind of my reaction. I
went out and bought an AK forty seven. I went
out and bought an AR fifteen. You know, I had
a number of guns.
Speaker 6: That point.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, well.
Speaker 6: You're getting some serious firepower at that point.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean that we live in an
area where they have I believe for the entire area
they have less than twenty officers. And I mean this
the area that we live in, which is incorporates Buckeye
from a territory point of view, just from ross space
is the second largest place in Arizona besides Phoenix. It's
a good trivia question.
Speaker 1: When you started seeing some of these creatures, about how
long were you living on the property before you started
seeing them and what types of creatures were you seeing?
Speaker 5: Well, we started seeing these. They kind of look like
they're human shape, but they are They have no distinguishable features.
They've been called the burlough Men for lack of another expression,
because is they kind of are the color of like
a rusty Brillo pad. But they stand about eight feet tall.
They are very big in terms of you know, like
their arms and legs are thick. They look powerful, and
we have no idea what they are. To this day,
we had no idea what they are. I mean that
the expression came from Jimmy Church who called them thebrilla man,
and it's kind of stocked everybody knows them by that.
Speaker 6: Now, is there any correlation do you know of that
you may not know with any of the entities allegedly
seen up on the Skinwalker Ranch, or is there anything
similar to that?
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. I actually had a chance
to meet the people that were behind the book for
the Skinwalker Ranch, and they said that they thought there
were some similarities to what was going on here, but
they thought that there was enough differences that they didn't
want to, you know, say that it was you know,
exactly at the same time.
Speaker 1: Understood now with the Skinwalker Ranch case, there's been a
lot of a lot of information that's come out about
that case over the last few years. One of the
things about that really came out with not only the
uh the family that lived there, but then even when
the researchers were there that whatever was there had a
very negative side to it, had almost a trickster quality
to it, you know, with the animal mutilations and the
that when the rancher's dogs were killed. And you did
you encounter or are you encountering, because you're currently still
living there, any any activity that that feels that negative.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, we experienced both of those horrible things. We
had rottweilers and we rescued and one of the best
Rottweilers I ever had was in a large outdoor run
and in the summertime, we would go ahead and bring
him in during the daytime, but we would let him
out at night. And when I went out to see
how he was doing the next morning, I found this
dog in the run, but it looked like somebody had
run over him with like a steam roller. I mean,
the poor dog was absolutely crushed flat, and the strange
thing was there was no blood. We also lost three
horses over a period of two years. All three of
those horses were mutilated, and we filed reports with the
Maricopa County Egg Department, to the Livestock Board and the
Sheriff's department, and it was very obvious that they had
been in a tremendous type of struggle within their runs
that they were in. They had tried to apparently try
to jump out, didn't make it, and they were killed
in a very grizzly fashion. Again, no blood, very precise
cuts on them, parts of them removed. It was absolutely horrible.
Speaker 6: I had to jump in there because I've worked back
as far back as seventy seven in New Mexico with
lynnamoltenhow on an investigation on cattle mutilation, and certainly what
you just alluded to and what is discussed with loving
Good and some of the other stuff here certainly sounds
like the cattle mutilations that have gone on for the
last four or fifty years all through the Western hemisphere.
Have you looked into any of the possible correlations in
those two areas of investigation, Well.
Speaker 5: We were actually we were contacted by Lenna Moultonhouse and yes,
we did do some research on that and it was
pretty much confirmed that that's what it was. The we
had they were all mares, female horses. They were literally
looked like somebody had removed the interior of the horse
as far as the organs and things went very specifically
and done it through the anus. Uh. They had their
eyes removed, the tongue was removed.
Speaker 6: And in at least one case, the hosts were removed
and ears and this is classic. And also the fact
that there's a they're devoid of any blood in the
area or on the ground or whatever, or even you know,
showing signs of blood on the on the exterior the
hide and where they haven't been in size. That's classic.
I just I'm amazed that the men in black, you know,
came in whoever from the government, and you know this
is the to go over the same type of commentary
that was made to me regarding a UFO siding back
in New Mexico back in seventy seven. So there's a
lot of common threads here. Certainly, you know, you have
really had a broad range of evidence and experience over
a long period of time. The other in the orbs,
have you seen any other types of craft? I mean,
could you explain that if you have what they look.
Speaker 5: Like, you're happy. We have had, for lack of another expression,
giant triangles over the ranch. In one case, we had
one that was actually south of the ranch, that was
out in the desert, and I had a dog that disappeared,
and I went out to try to find the dog,
and I drove my cheep down south on the road, stopped,
pulled over, got out, walked up a little embankment, and
then down a small slope, and as I got to
the bottom of that slope, there was a triangle that
was literally hovering not more than about forty five fifty
feet off the ground. It was actually absolutely there was
no sound that I could perceive coming from it, but
there was an energy field emanating from it, and as
I got closer to it, what ended up happening was
I could feel like this almost like a heavy beat,
like a base beat, in my chest, and every hair
on my body just became almost like it was magnetized
or electrified, and it just stood on end and I
got like goosebumps. And I was not afraid. I'm not
a person that gets afraid, so I was not having
an emotional reaction. I was just having some kind of
electromagnetic at least that's my belief about it. Reaction to
it I did. I thought to myself when I saw this, Wow,
I got to go home and get my video camera.
Somebody's got to have a picture of this. And I
literally spun around in my tracks started to go back
to the jeep, and the next thing I knew, it
was like an hour and a half later, and I
was standing there just where I had remembered that I
had left from, but now I had the video camera
hanging from my shoulder. It was turned on and there
was nothing but white noise when I tried to hit
rewind and run it backwards.
Speaker 1: So there was some type of electromagnetic air interference that
kept you from recording. You've had a classic missing time
episode and the the black triangle. How large do you
estimate it?
Speaker 5: I'm thinking that it was least I mean when I
saw it was the edge was pointed south and I
was looking at it from the side, and so I'm
thinking was at least one hundred to one hundred and
fifty feet.
Speaker 1: That's pretty big.
Speaker 5: Well, actually, it's nothing compared to the ones that we
have seen over the ranch. We have seen ones over
the ranch where when you're standing underneath you cannot see
anything except blackness. There's no sky, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: John, Sorry, I did anyone else reports saying it as well?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I you know what, I was so
horrified after the experience was over. I wasn't fearful, but
I just, you know, I thought to myself, you know,
what have I got myself into here? You know, I
mean I moved that to this area and I'm seeing
all this stuff, and you know, I just I wasn't
happy at all, you know. And my dog finally came back,
which was good because it is about one hundred and
ten degrees that day, But you know, it's still just
the whole experience was rough, you know, And that's kind
of been my experience. Every time that I have tried
to find out if anybody else had reported anything, I
never had any luck. I mean, if I call Luke
Air Force Base, which is about twenty miles south or
north of me, you know, the air Force base will
never tell you anything. They'll just say, well, we have
no reports on that information at all, and you never
see anything in the newspaper. I called, you know, TV
stations around here, and it was as if they never
even heard that there was any activity out here.
Speaker 1: How large is your property.
Speaker 5: Ten acres with another five acres just to the north
and west of it that is landlocked into us that
nobody else can use?
Speaker 1: Okay, now, how how far away is your closest.
Speaker 5: Neighbor at that time?
Speaker 1: Yes, of.
Speaker 5: Three quarters of a mile at least.
Speaker 1: So things that are that big. So it's possible, in
fact probable that your neighbors or other people living within
the area would have to see these types of events
as well. Have you ever talked with any of your
neighbors to see if they were having any similar experiences.
Speaker 5: I got to tell you, if we never really get
to know anybody out here to this day. People move
out here and they come and they go. You know,
people like this area because of the fact that it's
fun for them to use their alterrain vehicles and motorcycles
and you know, all that kind of stuff out here
in the desert. For the most part, most of the
properties out here now are rental properties. People come and
they go. There's no community here at.
Speaker 1: All, and nobody in the local the nearest town that
you've ever talked to about the strange happenings that go
on in the area.
Speaker 5: And well, let me, let me let me answer that.
I'm a psychiatric counselor a social worker and a therapist,
and so what I used to do was what's known
as in home therapy, and I would literally go out
to people's homes way out in the desert, in the
most remote areas and provide counseling. And there were very
I would say, probably in the period of about seven
or eight years that I was doing that, there was
at least five or six different times that people reported
to me that they were seeing things out here. Not
that I would ever ask them such a question, but
they would actually tell me that they had seen events
and that they had seen craft and things like that.
So yeah, people do see things out here. I mean,
I'm not the only person, you know. I actually and
in fact, at the time that we had the big
triangle over the ranch, I actually called Peter Davenport at
the UFO Reporting Center in Washington and made a full
report to him over the phone. As I was standing
there looking at this thing, and Peter Davenport said to me, John,
you've got to get some confirmation from some kind of
an authority figure. And I said, okay, well who would
that be. And he goes, well, call the police. And
I said, I live in an unincorporated area and no
police out here. And he said, well, call the sheriff.
And so I called the Sheriff's department, and indeed they
sent a squad car out, and the triangle was still
hovering right over the ranch when this person came out
in the squad car. And it was on a warm
summer night with no rain or anything else, no storms,
and the guy got out of his car and he's
got a raincoat on, and he's got a plastic thing
over the top of the brim of his hat. I'm
thinking to myself, well, that's pretty strange. And I said,
do you see what I see? And I had two
other witnesses that were actually there at the time, and
they saw that. Plus I'm speaking to Peter on the
other line, and he goes, yeah, I see it. And
I said, well, could you please report, you know, write
a report for me, take some pictures, something that's official,
so that I've got a record of this. And he
looked at me and he says, do you think it's
not strange that I'm wearing a raincoat? And I said, yeah,
Actually that was going to be my next question. Why
are you wearing a raincoat? It's the desert, it's no rain.
And he goes, because I'm not going to make a
report of this. I'm not going to be the person
that goes on the record and loses his job over this.
And I said, well, can I get your you know,
badge number or your ID or something. He goes, now,
I will not report this. And I went to walk
around and see where on the car the number of
the car was or the license plate, and both of
those had been blocked off so that I couldn't do
that either.
Speaker 6: And this was the county sheriff came out or was this.
Speaker 5: A Maricopa County Sheriff's Department, a deputy, not the sheriff himself,
not Joe or playout.
Speaker 1: He'd come out and be put you in some pink overalls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually pink underwear.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this just keeps getting better and better.
Speaker 5: Now depending on your perspective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well you heard the sarcasm in my voice there.
You know you've been there now for how many years?
Speaker 5: It'll be twenty years June first.
Speaker 1: Twenty years. Let me ask you this, and you know
we're gonna be going to cutting to our first break
here in a minute, but I want to least get
this in before we go to break. Is after twenty
years and you're starting to have all these experiences, and
some of them very negative. Why are you still there?
Why haven't you moved?
Speaker 5: When you own horses and you put over a million
dollars into a property that you saved up since you
were eight years old, very hard to be able to
just pick up and move to another Ranches are very expensive,
and when you have horses, it's that much harder. And
I just didn't want to sacrifice the horses. I didn't
want to sacrifice, you know, any of the animals. That
we have been trying to do rescue with. Yeah, and
at every step along the way, my wife and I
said down and we talked about it, and we just said,
it's got to get better. It's gotta get better. Unfortunately,
it just keep getting worse. It's only recently started getting
a little bit better.
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Johnson with Bruce Pearson and Irene Alan Block, and we're
talking with our guest tonight, John Edmonds, author of the
upcoming book The Ascension Code. And uh, John, your I
have to admit your story is really compelling, very strange.
And now you yourself, you mentioned that as for a
living you you you're a therapist, correct.
Speaker 5: Well, I was I nineteen eighty eight. It got to
the point finally where actually I take that back, was
two thousand and eight that I got to the point
where I said to myself, it's not fair for me
to be a full time counselor and therapist and you know,
have this kind of information and all the things that
are happening here where you know, I sound crazier than
the people I'm actually working with, you know, and believe me,
I'm not crazy, and I don't have a diagnosis or
anything like that. But you know, when you're dealing with
people that are severely mentally ill and their stories are
not anywhere near as challenging as the story that you're
actually living on a daily basis, I just thought to myself,
you know what, there's an ethical and a moral concern here,
and you know, I need to put the practice on hold, stop,
figure something else out, and you know, try to get
this whole process work through. And so that's what I did.
You know, I ed from the profession, and you know,
I've been doing other things ever since. Now.
Speaker 1: Now, did you ever get reach a point with everything
that was happening that, while you may not, you know,
be crazier, you have to get yourself evaluated. But did
you ever seek counseling of your own? Was there anybody
that you could go and talk to about what was
going on Did you feel like you're reaching a point
where reality seemed to be taking a huge left turn
on you.
Speaker 5: My reality definitely was, you know, obviously very weird. You know,
my wife and I, you know, we'd sit down at night,
we'd pray, you know, always we've always been very spiritual,
very uh, you know, strong believers in God, and so
you know, we would always try to use that as
pretty much our safety valve for everything. But I was
fortunate in that I had a boss at work that
was a very good friend, and I could always sit
down and talk to her, and you know, she was
blown away by everything, obviously, but she came out and
took a few looks at things and she said, yeah,
I get I get what you're talking about. And you know,
so it was it was a good decision at that time.
You know, it was the moral and the ethical thing
to do. You know, my work was not affected in
terms of you know what anybody would have known. It
wasn't like I, you know, my clients that I was
working was suffered in any way, or the quality of
the work suffered, the paperwork I'd done. Nobody ever would
have known the difference. But I knew the difference, and
I wanted to be, you know, as pure of good
intention as possible, and I felt the professional thing was
to take a break.
Speaker 1: Now, what about when you started to have encounters with
these other beings, these for lack.
Speaker 5: Of a better graden, Yeah, the grays became something that
literally they just started showing up. And when I say
showing up, they do the same thing the orbs do.
They just all of a sudden are there. And that
was what I started to experience here on the ranch,
was that we would see these creatures and at first
it didn't seem like they were terribly threatening, other than
the fact that they were completely out of context in
terms of, you know, suddenly appearing, and that part was disturbing.
The fact that we could not communicate with them was
very disturbing. And the fact that inevitably my wife had
virtually no memory of it, because apparently there's something called
fear paralysis that people normally or very often at least
experience in the presence of these creatures. I don't have
that problem for me. They don't scare me. They never did.
I just don't feel it. So for me, I remember everything, Well.
Speaker 1: What would happen when you would see these, it would
just be a visual sighting for a few seconds they
pop out where.
Speaker 6: They now.
Speaker 5: Inevitably what would happen is is that in the beginning,
we would either see them on our sun porch, which
was about a thousand square foot enclosed porch that we
built onto the back of the ranch before you go
out to the pool, or we would see them in
our master bedroom. And that was the part that was
a bit spooky, and the fact that literally they would
appear always in threes, and just out of nowhere. You
would sense that there was something in the room with us.
And I've always rescued dogs, and so at the time,
I had a pit bull that anything that stepped, you know,
anywhere near our bedroom was going to get shredded. And
this dog, she made a very strong attempt to just,
you know, catch one of these things and tire it apart.
But they always disappeared. They always just blinked out.
Speaker 1: What you've I've heard this before, and I've got to
bring it up. You have said before that you have
actually killed one of these things.
Speaker 5: I have done more than one of them. I've killed
about eighteen of them. I've done that with a samurai sword.
In most cases, but I've also done it by literally
picking one up and smashing it against brick wall.
Speaker 6: I mean, did you do with the bodies of these?
When I mean where's all the remains?
Speaker 5: Well, they don't go away. I mean, rather they don't remain.
What happens is if you don't take the head, they
blink out. And in one particular case where I actually
ran one one through with a Samurai sword in the
main chest cavity, it did blink out before I could
take the head. But I managed to get a piece
of tissue that was about the size of a good
sized breakfruit. And that tissue was taken placed into a
container place in the freezer, and then it was eventually
sent to a gentleman in Grass Lakes, Michigan, by the
name of Levin Goood, and he proceeded to take the
tissue samples and send them out to several universities, and
you get reports back on them.
Speaker 1: What did the report say?
Speaker 5: Basically, the report said that the tissue sample didn't match
anything on earth. It was neither entirely animal or entirely plant,
but it seemed like it was a combination of both.
It had chlorophyll like a plant, but it also had
the fibrous tissue of something that would be like an
animal or a person, but that it didn't match anything
that actually they had any record that they could find
nothing to match it. And so doctor Levingoode had told me, John,
you have the smoking gun of proof of alien life
present on earth.
Speaker 1: But you have that proof, and what have you been
able to do with it?
Speaker 5: Not much? I mean in terms of doctor Levinode passed
away as well as his wife, and the report that
we were given at the time came back with some
micrographs of the actual samples that were tested in the
lab and a brief report. And beyond that, you know,
I literally we really haven't gotten that far. I mean,
you know, we've done a lot of radio shows, we
have written this book, you know, but beyond that what
it has eventually led to thanks to my good friend
Tommy Hawk's Blood who called me every day for three
years and said, John, you got to tell your story.
You've got to tell your story. And I really didn't
want to tell the story. I was kind of ashamed
of it. I thought, you know, why do I have
to be the guy that comes out and says that
all this weird crap is heavy this ranch. But eventually
I got past that and I saw the importance of
doing it, and then I figured, Okay, I'm going to
step out and do it.
Speaker 1: Think that action Well, the question you said a few
minutes ago that if you didn't take the head, they
would disappear. How do you rive that? Did you take
one of their heads?
Speaker 5: We at one point did actually have a body, and
the body is I'm just going to tell you this
straight out. I have made arrangements so that the it's
not here on the ranch. That's probably the best way
to put it. People always bug me about this, and
I'm just going to tell you at some point that
may become part of the picture, but right now, it's
just not information that we're going to disclose.
Speaker 1: No, And I actually completely unders stand that because we've
talked with a lot of other people like doctor Jonathan
Reid and people who've had other physical evidence, and they've
had people trying to take it from him and lots
of lots of heartaches as far as that goes. But
with that information, with having something like that, and I
and again I understand if you don't want to give
away too much information on it, but you know, what
do you think you can do with that is there?
Because it seems like if you drag it out in
front of the media these days, you know, they'll just
take a couple of pictures and say, yeah, it's a
nice Okay, fine, it's a hoax, and then go on.
Everyone seems to be programmed to not care about anything
like this. You know, you would think this is the
find of a century, and yet I could eat very
easily seeing it being less than a little footnote, a blip,
and then everybody goes away to go back and watch
Honey booboo and the television or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, you're not too far from the truth. There.
The interesting thing about this whole story, beyond obviously the
fact that we've had a lot of alien contact, good
and bad, which we haven't really got to yet, but
it's the fact that we have had a lot of
interaction with various different agencies, with various different private people
that work hand in hand with agencies, and not one
person has said that they don't believe us. I mean,
you know, we've had we've had teams come out here
and interview us, dick us to dinner, We've had you know,
people come out and do you know actual research out here?
You know, everybody knows it's true. I mean, for whatever reason,
you know, this is the weirdest situation, probably one of
the weirdest situations in uthology. I like to tell people
there's like before the alien ranch, and there's after the
alien Ranch, because everything that came before it is kind
of like a great history class where he has to
sit around and talk about stuff that happened fifty years ago,
and everybody recites all the information in the data, and
then there's half to the ranch, and that is kind
of like where we are now.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that they're both good and bad. You've
had good and well before we get into the good,
let me ask you a question. When these things come
in and you've taken a samurai sort to them, or
however you've dispatched them, I mean, what made you do that?
Were you being threatened? What was the situation where you
would reach out to kill one of these things?
Speaker 5: Well, the problem is is that, like in the case
of my wife, in one particular case, they literally did
go after her to the point where they began to
assault her. And in this one particular case that I'm
thinking of I came into the bedroom. She always goes
to bed early because she has to get up early
for work, and because of the fact that I'm no
longer on the you know, the perpetual uh, you know
rat wheel that everybody seems to be on, and it
has to go to a regular job. I don't have
to go to bed row early. I don't have to
get up real super early, even though I usually do.
I walked in. Three of them were in the room.
My wife was literally levitating off the bed. There was
a gray touching her, and I grabbed my samurai sawd
killed it, and I killed the other two as well.
The bodies blinked out. My wife never had any clue
what happened to her, and in fact, I didn't even
tell her right away because I was so horrified by
what was happening.
Speaker 1: Did these entities ever try to communicate with you?
Speaker 5: If they did, I'm not aware of it. I tried,
you know, doing the same thing that I do with horses,
which sounds silly, but when you work with horses, you
learn how to sort of in a way. Horse whisper
is what they call it, where you communicate your wishes
that you want the horse to do by literally thinking
it and pushing it out to the horse. I tried
to do the same thing with the Grays that that
never worked. I never had any kind of communication with
them in any way, shape or form, other than the
fact that as soon as they saw me, they knew
they were in for one heck of an ass kicking.
Excuse my leg.
Speaker 2: Well, John, do you think that you maybe walked into
a situation where there was just going to abductor.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of a hard time hearing.
Speaker 2: You could say A said, do you think you walked
into the situation where they were about to adopt her?
Speaker 5: I believe so. We actually had an experience that happened
after that where they literally floated her out of the
house and tried to abduct her up into a ship.
And I actually have a signing document that's notarized, and
my wife and I agreed on back in the day
that was her doing that said that she would prefer
to be shot and killed the rescue her rather than
abducted by these creatures. And indeed I ended up grabbing
an AK forty seven and a double clip and emptying
the first clip into the area where she was being
pulled up into like a solid beam of white light,
and she fell. She was dropped, and she fell maybe
twenty twenty five feet, and I used my body to
catch her or to break her fall, and both of
us I ended up getting a little bit injured, but
neither one of us.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, I see it does sound like they were
about to take her again, and you said that she
was levitating.
Speaker 5: Well, it gets so bad that we ended up literally
I ended up having to put a pair of handcuffs
on her ankles at night. This is a big foot
four poster bed that we sleep in, and literally attach
her to the bed to make sure that she would
remain there the entire night.
Speaker 1: Now you had mentioned, let me ask this question real quick, Bruce,
and then you can cut in when when you had
mentioned before about losing about an hour of time in
that time, it's possible you may have been abducted during
that time and not being aware of it. Did you
encounter any other portions of missing time.
Speaker 5: There have been a number of different cases where either
or both of us have lost time. It would take
a long time to go into that part of the story.
I would reserve that for a future event, if you're interested, Yes,
there had been other There had been other times.
Speaker 1: Have you ever considered hypnotic regression?
Speaker 5: I have done that. I actually went through the entire
regression experience. I have takes of it. I have records
of it, and yes, I know very well what happened
during those experiences.
Speaker 1: So you'll wait to talk about those in another time,
then correct? Okay, understood, Perst.
Speaker 6: You had a question, Well, just who did your regression therapy?
Speaker 5: I actually worked with a gentleman here in Arizona named
Robert O'Connor, who is the past president for a number
many years of the Arizona Professional Hypnotherapy Association.
Speaker 6: I gotta tell you, I don't recall all well, I do,
I work with one gentleman for a number of years,
But I would be hard pressed to find a situation
with more evidence, physical evidence, man, and the nonsense.
Speaker 5: We have physical artifacts as well, could you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to, might as well bring it on.
I mean, I don't know if anything more to it
it would make it more comprehensive, But please, by all means,
could you share that with us too?
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what. In two thousand and eleven,
I had just gotten to the point where Joyce and
I just looked at each other and you know, we
just felt like we were hanging on for dear life here.
You know, we've been through so many different examples, you know,
not only would the alien situation here Paso, we have
ongoing problems with other types of entity, ghosts, all sorts
of things, and so you know, it's like it was
like living literally in like a horror story. And I
finally got to the point where I said, you know
what I need, I really need to try to find
somebody that could help us to sort this thing out.
And we started putting out feelers on the internet. We started,
you know, requesting people that I met. At the time,
I was working as a producer of a radio show,
and so I was in a position where, you know,
I could actually talk to people that were going to
be guests on the show. And you know, we I
finally made some connections, and one of the people that
ended up contacting us was a person here in Phoenix
who had regular contact allegedly with aliens. And I thought, wow,
you know, if that person is for real and they're
willing to actually come out here and discuss this with us,
and maybe you know, introduced us to some individuals that
could do something good for us instead of all this
bad stuff that's happening. You know, that would be a
great part of this. And so I ended up meeting
a woman by the name of doctor Brandy, and Doctor
Brandy actually ended up bringing out some individuals that were
allegedly aliens positive aliens from different groups. We had a
meeting excuse me here on the ranch with a few
different individuals with her, and they literally showed us proof.
Because I was very, very skeptical, and I thought, you know,
anybody can say they're an alien. I mean, you know,
I mean if they don't, you know, have any kind
of physical attributes that somehow or another, you know, make
me say to myself, oh my god, that's an alien.
Why would I believe that they're an alien? Well they did.
They actually brought out some evidence. And what was even
more interesting was at the very end of the two
or three hour that we all spent together, they I said,
you know, there's one piece of evidence from this whole
thing that's missing. I want to see a ship. I
want to see a real ship. And I said, if
you guys can show me that you actually have a
real ship here, then I'm going to be convinced beyond
any any kind of you know, other experience here. And
so they said, let's go outside. We went outside. My
wife and I sat on the back of my nineteen
ninety five forty three fifty pickup truck and we looked
off to the left of us. We looked up in
the sky and there was a ship the size of
the stadium ended. I'd noticing anything that big in my life.
It was a huge.
Speaker 1: That was not us. John, Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 5: Somebody's interfering with the broadcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know. I've been hearing it several times as
we've been going on. I've been hearing a voice cutting
in every.
Speaker 5: Now then exactly. That's exactly what I'm experiencing here as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's not us. Okay, very interesting. Well, we're
recording this.
Speaker 6: So I'll go back to your It almost sounded like
a loop back. I was listening to it here. I
was trying to check on it. But were you able
to get ating photos of this thing the size of
you know, downtown.
Speaker 5: I wasn't. I had no expectation that it was even
going to happen. Quite frankly, I was just so dumbfounded.
My wife and I looked at each other and I said,
do you see that? She gets, yeah, I see it.
And I said, what do you see? And she says,
I see a giant flying saucer that just came forward
through the clouds and then it went back. And I said,
that's exactly what I saw. And then she said, look
over there, look in the south. And I looked at
the south and it looked like there was a whole
sky of ships in the bright orange late afternoon sun
that was there. And then it started to have a
storm out of nowhere. I mean, it wasn't your typical
monsoon Arizona in a summer thunderstorm. This was like, oh
my god, we're going to have a tornado or something
kind of storm. I mean, it got very dark, started
raining real hard, and all sorts of thunder and lightning.
And where doctor Brandy and where these other two people
that were standing there with her. All of a sudden,
there was a huge flash of purple lightning. Now I've
never seen purple lightning in my life. That purple lightning
came down and struck the ground right behind where she was.
Nina person seemed to be injured, and I thought, man,
we got to get inside, and that was kind of
the end of the whole thing. They ended up getting
in vehicles and they left and we went inside. We
didn't hear from doctor Brandy for four and a half
years after that, even though we tried to contact her repeatedly,
and the only way that we were finally able to
make a connection was the fact that doctor Brandy happened
to hear one of the broadcasts who wanted the other
radio shows in my contact information, and she called me
up and she goes, oh my god, John, I've been
trying to reach you all this time. And I said, well,
we tried to call you, but we never could get
in touch with you. And she said, I got hit
by lightning. And I said when, And she goes at
your ranch and I was like, you got to be
kidding me, and she says, you remember that bolt of
lightning that came down. I said yeah, and she said
it actually hit the ground and came back up through
my shoes. And that's why I have not been able
to contact her all this time. And apparently she had
a complete memory loss, and she went through all sorts
of changes because of that today she seems to be
okay and we have been once again reunited and we've
actually had meetings with her and some of the people
that she actually recommended that we talked to that were
again aliens.
Speaker 1: Can do some more details on these these other people
that she brought with you. Uh, the when they when
you were talking with them, How did they appear to you?
And did they just seem like normal everyday people? Were
they dressed up like regular folks, and other than the
specific ways that they showed you, could they pass for
like anybody else on the street.
Speaker 5: I would suppose that, you know, if you didn't know
the context and you weren't in a position where you
were looking for something particularly different. Uh, each person could
probably pass on their own that. The the size of
some of the people, A couple of the males, Uh,
the distinguishing characteristics of them, when you look at them
and you say to yourself, they're almost like two perfect
they are almost.
Speaker 6: Too h.
Speaker 5: That they're not average looking people at best. Okay, I
mean that's what I would walk away with. I would
say that these were people that they seemed different, you know,
but I guess in a crowd or if you weren't
trying to you know, pick them out or anything else. Yeah,
I suppose you could probably say that they, you know,
were within the realm of you know, being normal.
Speaker 1: Were they conversing with you in English and just talking
casually with you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? They Actually they seemed more interested in me and
more interested in my wife in terms of who we
were than anything else. I mean, they they seem very
not only pleasant and seem very interested in meeting us
that they they weren't particularly stand offish. They weren't. It's
hard to say. I mean, they were just they seemed
like they were very interested in what was happening here
at the ranch at the time.
Speaker 1: So they are already here doing whatever it is that
they're doing with their agenda, and able to meet regular
folks like yourself, you know. The one the one thing
that a lot of skeptics say is well, why don't
they just make themselves?
Speaker 5: Know?
Speaker 1: Why don't they just show up land on the White
House lawn, just get it all over with and you know,
show themselves. So, now that you've had an opportunity, then
you've had your encounters with both negative and positive. You know,
what would you say to a skeptic who says.
Speaker 5: Something like that, Well, I think everybody's kind of looking
for the bigger picture, you know, everybody wants to know
how all the pieces fit together. And what I would
tell you is I don't have that answer. I would
tell you that I had the answers to the questions
that I asked, and the answers that I asked we're
a little bit similar to that. The fact that I
said who's in charge and the answers that I keep
getting is there's not one group that's definitely in charge
of anything. That there are a lot of different individual
members of you know, of their own races, and that
they're here doing their own thing. But that does not
necessarily mean that there's any kind of cohesion between these
different groups. And indeed, that's one of the things that
I've been kind of trying to work on, you know,
with doctor Brandy, is that I've been saying, why don't
we do something with this? We've got this ranch, there's
all this weird stuff always going on out here, and
on top of it, after meeting you know, different members
of these different races, everyone that I've talked to with her,
with my wife, they all seem to want to come
out and tell their story, and they said that they
had been waiting for me to come out and tell
my story and that they were willing to do something
with that similar. Well, in the weeks that have gone
by since that, I've had several more meetings, but we
still don't have any kind of cohesion. We still don't
have any kind of consensus, and it hasn't gone anywhere yet.
You know. I keep suggesting to them that maybe we
have some kind of an event here at the ranch
and that we you know, film it, and then we
release the film and see how that's accepted. And then
if that goes well, let me turn around and we say,
let's do it for real, Let's do it public, let's
you know, let's invite the media out, let's you know,
invite out people that are you know, prominent members of
the UFO community and let them be part of it.
And there seems to be interested in doing it that way.
But I'm not having any good luck yet at being
able to assemble any kind of action plan to make
it all happen. I'm hoping that maybe it'll move forward
at some point.
Speaker 6: All right, what if I were to say to you all,
put together the four cameras and a couple of guys
on a crew, and we'll come out there and we
will sit around and tape and document and get it
on mainstream media. Do you think that's viable or is
there a reason that wouldn't work?
Speaker 5: You know, there's no reason why it wouldn't work. But
the only issue is is trying to get it together.
So far, when I've had meetings out here, I've been
able to get one or two people to come out,
been able to get like pector Brandy to come out
with like one person. But in terms of getting what
I was hoping for, which was a number of these
different you know races, In terms of you know, people
that would be willing to you know, stand up and
explain who they were and explain where they came from
and what that's about, it's like hurting cats. I mean,
I have just not had any kind of good luck
with it yet. I'm still hopeful, but right now it's
just isn't happening.
Speaker 6: Well, let me answer this question, because so to your experience,
are they generally malevolent or are they you know, they
looking to work with us, or or what is it?
You know? Perhaps first I.
Speaker 5: Got to tell you. I think it's kind of like,
you know, it was the same way if you ask
that expression about people, and that is is that there's
good ones, there's bad ones. There's ones that they identify
as being bad ones. There's ones that they don't like. Uh,
you know, I mean that there are It's it's not
that different.
Speaker 6: Right, it's it's not a homogeny. Well, here's the quest.
But you have identified those that are friendly and cooperative
and and did they give you an idea what any
any individuals you know, what brought them to this this uh,
this ball of dust and why they're here? And you
know what their interest is or whatever? Are they just
curious or are they tourists or do they need to
fix it? I would tell you this, a lot of
these different races have been here forever. And when I
say forever, I mean you know, a long time. I
can't say I don't want to even try to tell
you in one hundred thousands whatever, right, long time? One time? Well,
I mean that corroborates a lot of the theories and
a lot of the speculative or at least thoughtful theories
of well, what are they here for? How long have
they been here. You know, we have anecdotal evidence and
physical evidence. Obviously.
Speaker 5: What I would tell you this, and that is is
that I don't think that this is any stranger to
the governments of the world. You know, I don't think
it's kind of like, you know, life goes on and oh,
by the way, what do you mean we've got aliens
amongst us. They get it, they know.
Speaker 6: You know, I was out your way just a month
or so ago and headed down ten all the way
across the Arizona and in Mexico, and I wish I
had known that, because I certainly would have taken a
couple of days.
Speaker 5: And yeah, you know, we've One of the things we've
been doing with folks, and that is is that we've been,
you know, trying to kind of do disclosure here from
the ground up, which instead of waiting for them to
land on White House and the White House, you know,
coming out and saying, hey, by the way, guess what,
there's aliens and you know, all the stuff you've been
hearing for the last sixty years is some of it's true.
What we're trying to do is we're trying to do
it from the opposite, and that is, you know, what
they landed on our lawn in a in a sense,
you know, we we have this ranch and we're trying
to make it available to people that you know have
good intention, uh you know, to actually participate. You know,
we're we have people that come out on a regular
basis and you know, we speak to them, we show
them things, uh, you know, and we let them make
up their own minds. You know, We're not here with
any agenda other than the fact that you know, this
kind of fell on us or we stepped in it,
whichever way you want to look at it. And we're
just trying to manage the situation and we're trying to
be good people and trying to get the word out.
And you know, however it works out, is how it
works out. There is no uh you know, no super
big plan yet that could happen, I guess at some point,
but right now it hasn't. We're just you know, people
call me up and they say, John, I'd like to
bring some gear out there. I'd like to you know,
take some pictures. I'd like to come out and bring
my you know, night vision goggles and look up in
the sky and see stuff. If we can do it,
we will accommodate people. You know, people say, well, how
much do you charge for that? And what I tell
them is, you know what, it's out of the goodness
of our heart. It's because we love this country and
we want to do the right thing by it, and
we're just trying to get the word out. If you
want to make a donation, make a donation to Hopeful Hoofs,
our nonprofit charity for the horses, and we'll call it good.
You get a tax donation, you get a chance to
visit the ranch. We're trying to do something good.
Speaker 1: Well, we may have to take you up on that, John,
because this is definitely that something that's up our alley
with you know, Bruce's experience in television and my filmmaking background.
So we may have to talk further about this off
the air as as we go along.
Speaker 5: That's fine, and then call me up any time, come
out and visit, you know, give me a couple of
days notice, and you know we can make it happen.
You know, that's the whole thing. We're not trying to
be famous, we're not trying to be anything. We're just
ourselves and we're just making this thing work as best
we can for everybody. You know, our first concern is
taking care of the ranch and taking care of the animals,
and you know, taking care of each other. Beyond that,
our hearts are open, our intentions are always good. We're
trying to you know, serve God and serve our country.
Speaker 1: Now, you and you mentioned earlier that you know you
you're very spiritual, and let me I'm gonna throw something
here out of you here, and you know, feel free
to answer as honestly as you want. The a lot
of experiences that we've talked with that have had these
experiences in a lot of cases turns out that they
have them all their lives and maybe just maybe memories
fled back at a later time. They don't they think, oh,
I've never had an experience with aliens or whatnot, and
then after a while it turns out that maybe this
has been a part of their life for a lot
longer than they thought. Some people, even with doctor John
Mack when he was doing his hypnotherapy on experiencers, found
that people had made packs before even coming into this
live to come in and have these experiences or were
even part of these creatures. So I guess my question
to you is did you get any indication that before
moving to this ranch that you were connected with any
of these types of experiences.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm yes, I would say, I have to I
have to tell you, from the time I was a
little child, throughout my life, there has been periods of weirdness.
I had worked very hard to try to minimize it
and try to tried to look the other direction and
pretend it wasn't me, just because I didn't want any
kind of a weird extra bisire wife. You know, I
made a mistake when I was a kid, saying, Lord,
don't ever let me live a straight or a boring wife.
And unfortunately, that was one prayer I should never have made.
About nineteen sixty three, when I was a child sixty
four sixty three in that area, I was on a
field trip as a small child with my school, my
primary school, and we literally were in the process of
visiting the Field Museum in Chicago, where I was living
at the time, where I grew up, and a gentleman
walked up to me outside before we actually entered the
Field Museum, and he stuck out his hand and he said,
you're John Edmonds, and I just looked it him and
I said, yes, sir, and he said, I am thrilled
to meet you. You're you're somebody who's really special. And
at the time, you know, it kind of spooked me
because I didn't know this man, and you know, we'd
already been told about stranger danger and all that kind
of stuff. So I wasn't particularly enthralled by the fact
that this guy seemed so happy to meet me. But
you know, he was well dressed. He looked like somebody
who was a professional person. You know, he didn't look like,
you know, some scary guy. And I shook his hand
and that was the end of it. But the thing was,
you know, over the years and thinking back to it,
I kind of think maybe he was like from the future,
and you know, maybe he was meeting me, you know,
when I was younger, just because that was the easiest
place to meet me.
Speaker 1: It's possible, Irene, you had a question, Yes.
Speaker 2: John, there's a question in the chat room. Besides seeing Chris,
have you ever seen any reptilians.
Speaker 5: I have seen. I've actually met a reptilian, but they
this person was not threatening at all. He did not
seem like he was, you know, trying to impress me.
With any kind of provocative presentation or anything else. That's
about all I can tell.
Speaker 2: I've heard that before. But they are the aggressive ones.
Speaker 1: Well, there are some people, remember where else had it?
There are a lot of people claim that they're very
negative and there they are the aggressive ones, but other
people say they're not. I guess it depends. Maybe it's
just like humans, there's different factions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I might have met one on his day off
or something.
Speaker 6: I don't know really what what was Peter Davenport's feeling
on how you could pursue this? Did he give you
any insight on how to proceed or no?
Speaker 5: Now at the time, I think I may maybe three
two three different reports to Peter. You know, he always
said the same thing, and that is, thank you for
your report. Please get as much you know, collateral documentation
as you can. He made a record of it as
far as I know, and that was the end of it.
I never had any other personal contact with him. I
was just another person calling in in the middle of
the night. Geez, I just that's I wish I had
done this a couple of weeks ago. I definitely would
have spent a couple of days out there. How how
what's the frequency. Is every night something's happening or every
once a week, or is it is it sporadic, or
is there any predict it all of the above. It's
really hard to say in terms of, you know, there's
no way to predict what's going to happen. We have
regular visitors that have spent the night and they have
had events happen. Here. We had a person who brought
us a beautiful painting, who was given a choice of
where she wanted to sleep, and she decided she wanted
to sleep in the master bedroom. My wife and I
have not slept in there in years. We sleep on
the other end of the house in the smaller bedroom
because that's where my life feels safe. And so this
person did spend the night in that bed, and she
did have an experience with what she described as being
a tall white. So again that is another version of
the grays. Apparently there's lots of different flavors of grays,
and so she actually was quite perturbed by the fact
that she helped this thing. In the middle of the
night in her presence, she pulled down the covers and
looked at it, and apparently she was able to you know,
actually observe it, but it never did anything besides standing
there apparently most of the night. She got up very
bright and early, thanked me for being present, you know,
for having an opportunity to be on the ranch, and
off she went. We had another person that stayed with us,
another female. A couple of weeks later. She chose to
sleep on the sofa in the living room, which is
a big, big group, and she ended up in the
middle of the night during an horrendous storm that we had,
seeing what she believed were eight different grades all at once,
and she was not happy with it. She got up,
she couldn't find the light. We use ceiling lights. We
don't have any kind of like normal I guess what
you would call lamps. We have the whites that are
built into the ceiling, and so she couldn't find the switch.
She had upset in the middle of the night. She
walked outside, they'll get in her car, and she locked
herself up, and because of the storm, we couldn't hear her.
We heard the dogs barking maybe thirty minutes later, and
I went up and tried to find out what happened,
and she indeeded had an experience with these gray aliens,
apparently eight of them. I let her back in the
house and she got her stuff and daddled out the
front gate two o'clock in the morning. And that's not
an unusual thing we have had that happen before.
Speaker 1: That's this is just so so incredible and wild and weird.
Speaker 6: The absorb all this in one sitting.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, I mean, you know, guys, I'll tell you
something that has been one of the weirder things that's
happened recently. I did a video interview on the Internet
with Carry Cassidy to a Project Camelot, and when she
was interviewing me for that interview, the grays were actually
sticking their head behind us and popping up on the video.
And so Carrie informed me that that was one of
the first times that anybody's ever recorded as part of
an actual interview an et presence as part of.
Speaker 1: The inner Interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that now has she posted that? Is?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 6: Is that on the edge?
Speaker 5: It's it's on the internet. It's on YouTube. You can
go find it. It's the last interview that I did
maybe three or four weeks ago.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, let me let me mention something because one
of the people that I did some some work with
who has kind of dropped off the radar, had an
incident where he was wildly ridiculed for putting allowing some
video to be uh distributed which purportedly showed uh an
entity and.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah you dropped you dropped out there for
a second person, Okay, anyway, showed an entity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the entity popped its head outside the window and
a piece of video and everybody, you know, heckled this
guy right out of the room. So that's an interesting
I'd like to see that video compare. It's well, you know, the.
Speaker 5: Good thing about all this stuff is is that, for
the most part, it's not me presenting it. It's stuff
that happens when other people are here, so they get
to take the you know, the hit. I don't uh,
you know, I'm just the guy that lives at the ranch.
Speaker 1: Did you ever find out did the the good aliens
or you know these people I hate calling I hate
the word aliens. It's it's uh, yes, it's not encompassing, correctly.
Speaker 6: Probably.
Speaker 1: Did anybody give you any indication on why that area
is so active, especially around your property.
Speaker 5: We haven't heard anything conclusive. We have heard various different
pieces of information in the fact that for some reason, uh,
there are electromatic magnetic disturbances in this area. Very frequently
when people try to find the ranch, they use the
GPS to try to find it, because we're in the
middle of nowhere. And what'll end up happening is is
they'll go anywhere from half a mile down the road
past the ranch to several miles down the ranch to
the point where they run out of road, and then
they call me and they go, John, I'm lost. I
had my GPS, but my GPS sent me in their
own direction. And we've actually had a couple of individuals
that are pilots that actually came and did the same
thing with a plane. And you know, we keep hearing
these stories that this place is kind of like it
doesn't fit in terms of typical normal things, you know,
like things like geo magnetic. You know. We also we
have water birds here that came apparently from California, and
now they've become kind of like full time residents. So
we have like the little water birds that run up
and down the beach. Occasionally, we get pelicans, occasionally we
get other sea birds and they just show up here
on the range, and some of them have become full
time residents and have been living here, you know, for
several years. There's just a lot of weird stuff, you know,
the fact that we have these portals on the property.
Apparently they're not the only two. There may be, you know,
spontaneous portals that literally make themselves visible at various different times.
I just had a gentleman that came out a couple
of days ago who is an engineer who works for
a major manufacturer of computer chips here in the area,
and he'd heard the story and he wanted to come
out and pick a look, and you know, we spent
about thirty minutes talking and then I said, do you
want me to go with you or do you just
want to wander around? And he goes, I just want
to go out and walk the property, and I said fine.
He walked the property and one of the things that
he told me about was the fact that he kept
seeing what looked like sparks at ground level, and he
said that they almost looked like they were bright flashes
of light. And I immediately recognize that because the person
who actually took the pictures of the gray aliens had
told me the same thing, and she actually took a
video of not only those bright lights popping up from
the ground, but in a couple of cases they became
much larger, and you know, to the point where they
almost looked like they were big enough you could walk
through them. So, you know, at this place, you never
know what to expect. It's just sort of an ongoing,
you know, spectacle.
Speaker 6: I have the mark Ien just jumping real quick at
what's going on with your animals and your livestock at
this point.
Speaker 5: Other than the fact that we're always looking for donations
to be able to feed them because the prices keep
going up. They're healthy, they they apparently love being here.
We've had a couple of people that, do you know,
they they literally psychically talk to animals, or they talk
to animals in terms of being able to understand what
they're thinking. And they've done readings on the herd and
they said the horses are very comfortable, they're happy, they're
well fed, you know, and they're very cohesive as far
as the herd goes. And while they understand that there's
a lot of weird stuff going on around them, it
doesn't bother them. So from that point of view, it's
a good thing. The dogs. The dogs always seem like,
you know, they've got a job. Their job is to,
you know, detect weirdness and detect anything that seems out
of place. And you know, they don't seem to have
a problem with us.
Speaker 6: We haven't had any other any recently, had any animals
killed or anything.
Speaker 5: No, no, And I have a scarlet on the claw
that I raised from an egg that I've had for
twenty seven years. And she's kind of like my Flintstones
alien protector. Whenever anything shows up or it's weird, you know,
she starts saying bad dogs, bad dogs. And literally she
yells that can hear her any place in the house.
At the top of her lungs, that's where she screams.
Speaker 6: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, you should go out there and bring pickles
with you. He'll take care of those aliens for them.
She has. Yeah, he's Mina's parrot. Yeah, Mina's parrot on
the planet. He'll eat the aliens alive. Now, have you
had any more incidents of these these more negative entities
coming into the house.
Speaker 5: On a regular basis? Now, I can't tell you. And
this is this is going to sound like a cop out,
but there's at times I can't tell if it's aliens
or ghosts or spirits or or whatever it is. I mean,
we see on our on our ceilings at nights. Sometimes
we see what we call white shadows and it looks
like a bright white light, like you're actually shining a
light on a white ceiling. And we don't know what
cau of them, but very often we'll see groups of
like two or three of them. And then within a
few days after that we began to experience, you know,
a higher level of activity, you know, inside the house.
Sometimes it's just water bottles floating around. Sometimes it's one
of our small dogs that we have being literally floated
across the room. Sometimes it's just my wife hearing noise
that's music or clicking or tones or something strange that
there is no audible source for us to be able
to identify.
Speaker 1: The The good aliens are the people that you you
you've had many conversations with. Now, did they ever tell
you where they're from?
Speaker 5: We have at times had them identified themselves soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, So my question is you know a lot of
people when they think you know UFOs aliens another planet
coming all this way, traversing the vastness of space to
come and visit us, And yet a lot of evidence
seems to be pointing to the fact that, you know,
it's like when we look at all paranormal activity as
being ghosts, it's much more complex and beautifully strange than
we can imagine. And in a lot of cases, it
seems that we're dealing with more multi dimensional, interdimensional type
of activity rather than rather than traditional aliens from outer
space or ghosts or whatnot. Do you get any impression
that you could be dealing with more interdimensional types of activity?
Speaker 5: I would say that that was very well spoken, very
good description and accurate. And the reason I would say
that is is that I believe that there's probably a
great deal more out here that we're not even aware
of that you know, he's going on. It's just we're
dealing with cutney human senses, and you know, all we
have is just you know that to be able to
detect things. But I definitely sense that there's a lot
more to it than what meets the eye. I know that,
like in the cases of the graves, because of the
violent confrontations that we've had with them, that until recently,
what they used to do was they kind of like
stick their head into this dimension, but they wouldn't allow
the rest of the body to come through unless they
believe that they were safe. And then after they believed
that I wasn't standing there with a Samurais order or
aluminum baseball bat getting ready to knock them into tomorrow,
then they step through the rest of the life.
Speaker 6: Wow. Well, that certainly reinforces some of the theories that
have been discussed more and more frequently in the last
couple of years though, about being interdimensional and not nuts
and bolts traversing these desks distances.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a guy that I'm friends with, Robert Collins,
Captain Robert Collins, and Robert's been in our lives for
a number of years because of the fact that I
went to him originally and asked for his advice about
the tissue sample that I had, and he was the
one that helped me to get in touch with doctor Levinoode.
But Bob Collins has a really good understanding of the
physics involved, and I'm sure he would be happy at
some point to explain to you precisely how it works,
because he has a great understanding of it. And he's
given me a very complicated version of it, but unfortunately
I just can't repeat.
Speaker 6: Where does he live? Does he live in your area?
Speaker 5: No, he actually lives in Ohio And he's written at
least one or two books above disclosure, right, So he's
he's a person to talk to. I mean, he gets
it as far as the the whole situation in terms
of how these creatures move. He's actually had dealings with
them them himself.
Speaker 6: Well, we need to have him on the show for sure.
Speaker 1: Have you ever and We've only got about three minutes
left here, so I'll make this my final question with
these these gray aliens, because you have violently attacked them
on a number of occasions. Have you ever tried to
communicate with them? Or is it if they're in the
house to ask them what they're doing? Or or is
your first reaction to like, Okay, they're invading and I'm
going to protect my home.
Speaker 5: Well, I originally it was, you know, I had an
open mind and an open heart. I was willing to
try to have some kind of a peaceable understanding. But
it didn't work out that way, you know, it just
they didn't get it, and I wasn't willing to wait
around for them to try to come to an understanding. Uh,
when they started hurting dogs, when they started hurting horses, Uh,
when we started, you know, when they started hurting my wife.
That was completely to the point where I just couldn't
couldn't deal with it any further understood, John, John.
Speaker 2: When you're having when you're having a fight with him, Uh,
do you get injured or have you been injured badly?
Speaker 5: I have been injured. My wife has been injured. We
are trying to deal with an illness of hers that
is a result of her contact. And uh, you know,
so it's yeah, it hasn't been good.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that funny.
Speaker 5: Well, exem from Disclosure. I need to correct what I
said about the title of the book that Robert Collins wrote.
It's called ab zem from Disclosure. I know he's probably
some place in Ohio listening screaming at me because of
the fact that I called it by the wrong title.
So I'm sorry. I corrected it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we're coming in here. John. I can't thank
you enough for coming on and telling your story. And
it feels like, again we've only heard just a part
of it. We would love to have you come back
on the show again and continue this conversation.
Speaker 5: I'd be happy to thank you for having me and.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, definitely we'll be talking to you off the
air about some other ideas that I know Bruce and
I and Irene are going to be kicking around and
we'll share with you. Maybe we can come up with
something on trying to help you get the word out
now for now, where can people find your website and
find out more information about you?
Speaker 5: And well, I would tell you there's if they're interested
in the ranch and in terms of our rescue that
we do for the animals, Hopeful Cloths dot org is
our site. That's h O P E f U L
Cloves h o O v e s dot org. It's
a nonprofit five oh one C three charity. If they're
interested in general information about the ranch, they can actually
go to www dot Stardust Ranch dot info.
Speaker 1: Okay, And the new book is called the it's called
Ascension Code, the true story of one man struggle with
extraterrestrials and its profound meaning for humanity. And as you mentioned,
as you're looking for it to come out sometime later
in around April hopefully, so we'll definitely be looking when
that does come out. Where can people get that.
Speaker 5: It's available for pre sale right now on Amazon dot
com and it'll definitely be out. I'm disappointed that there
were some complications, but any previous sales are still good
and it's definitely going to be out and I think
it's going to be a pretty good club.
Speaker 1: Great well, John, thank you again for coming on the
show tonight. We really love having you and uh we're
going to look forward to reading your book and talking
with you in the future.
Speaker 6: Thanks again, Thanks again, amazing story, stay with it.
Speaker 1: Me so thank you everybody for listening to another edition
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