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Speaker 1: Are you actually suggesting that from the futures to eliminate

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the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

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You can't handle the truth.

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Speaker 2: I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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Speaker 3: Game over man, Game.

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Speaker 4: Over, back off man. I'm a scientist.

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Speaker 5: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause

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to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,

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it's more like a big ball of web, wobbly tiny.

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Whymy stuff.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Unknown Origins Radio with Irene Allen Block,

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Bruce Pearson and Mark Johnson.

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Speaker 1: And good evening, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Unknown

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Origins re I'm Mark Johnson, along with our hosts Bruce Pearson.

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Hi tonight, Bruce, excellent, Mark, how are you?

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Speaker 6: And hello to everyone from the Central Jersey area in

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the East coast of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've got that portion of the country covered and

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now we have Irene Alan Block all the way across

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the pond in the UK. Harry tonight, Irene.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine tonight, and this is coming from the Windy

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Wales in the UK.

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Speaker 1: Windy Whales. Yeah, you've got another name storm coming through

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there now.

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Speaker 2: No, we're going through it right now. At the moment,

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it's Jake this time.

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Speaker 1: Jake. Okay. Yeah, like I said, another named storm. They

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can't you'll have like Bertha Ethel or you know, Calliope.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want them to name one after me, Irene.

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But at the moment, the only one that's ever been

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named after me was your hurricane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a kind of a weak feeble purricane too,

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if I remember. Oh oh it was a poor follow

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up to Katrina.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, here we are, another great week, another time

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here in the paranormal. Bruce, I just wanted to ask you.

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Last week you were out with our friend Bruce Tango

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at our Merchants and Drovers tavern for the talk. How

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did that go? Oh?

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Speaker 6: It was great. We had a great turnout both nights,

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a lot of engaging discussion and follow up. It really was.

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It was a great evening both times, and we race

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a good money for the museum. Fascinating place. It's been

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around since late seventeen hundreds, has a lot of history

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associated with it. So yeah, very happy with it. It

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was a lot of fun. I really appreciate Bruce asking

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me out and like I said it was very good cause,

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so I'm very pleased with that.

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Speaker 1: Good good. I wish I could get down the next

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time he has one of these, I need to get

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down and hang out with him and hang out with

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everybody else. Now, was there anybody else there? He sometimes

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gets some of the ghost hundred people to come out

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with him, just he and I just you too. Well,

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then people paid to actually go see you.

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Speaker 6: Guys, That's what I hear. So yeah, it was a

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lot of fun. And you know, I really enjoy getting out.

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I mean I did over three hundred public speaking events

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for the Coast Guard when I was a public affairs officer,

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so I enjoyed doing that.

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Speaker 1: Good good. Well, we've got a packed show tonight, so

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I think we're going to go right ahead and introduce

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our guest. He is an author with a new book

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coming out called The Ascension Code, the true story of

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one man struggle with extraterrestrials and its profound, meaningful humanity,

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and he is also the owner of what's known as

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the Stardust Ranch down in Arizona. So we'd like to

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welcome John Edmonds to the program.

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Speaker 5: How are you tonight, John, I'm fine, Thank you. Mark

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thank you for having me on the program.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. Now. I have to admit

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i've heard some of your story before, and your book

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is not yet released. It's coming out next week, is

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that right?

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Speaker 5: Well, we've had a couple of little complications with a publisher.

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book publishing and the book writing thing are two different things, obviously,

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and the writing part wasn't so bad, but the publishing

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thing has gotten a little more complicated. And it will

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be out. It will be. It's on pre sale with Amazon,

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and it'll get out there.

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Speaker 1: Great. I can't wait to read it. So I guess

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we should start off by have you explained a little

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bit of what made you write this book and what

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started all of this that came about into your lives?

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Speaker 1: I guess purchasing the property. Are you come across that,

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and what happened once you bought the property?

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Speaker 5: Okay, In nineteen ninety six, my wife and I found

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ourselves searching for a ranch here in Arizona, and we

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needed to stay in a semi urban area, like within

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driving distance of Phoenix because we were both separately employed

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working in mental health, and you know, we needed to

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be within say an hour hour and fifteen minutes of town.

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the point where, you know, the market was pretty good here.

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and then out of the blue, we got a call

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from our realtor and he said, look, you need to

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come out. I'll pick you up. We'll take you out

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to this ranch. It's kind of far out, it's in

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a very unusual area, but we think you'll like it.

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drove out to Rainbow Valley, which is about thirty five

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miles southwest of Phoenix, Arizona, and were I was stunned.

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of view, of being someplace like care Free or some

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of the more really exotic, expensive areas that surround Maricopa County.

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I loved it. Instantly didn't have any bad feelings about it.

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I looked at her after we went through and toured

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the property and everything, and I said, I think we

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should buy this place. And she looked at me and

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she goes, and I don't know, get some weird feelings

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about this area out here. And at the time, you know,

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was going to buy it, and so I pushed and

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we bought it. We moved out June first of nineteen

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ninety six, and from the get go the weirdness started.

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paid cash for it, turned around and they didn't move,

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and we couldn't get hold of anybody. We drove out

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to the property in the truck full of all our

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stuff from Glendale and they hadn't moved, and we were

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horrified because we had no place to go. We called

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the realtor. The realtor turned around and he was equally

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perplexed as we were, and told me, go out to

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a movie, go out to dinner, go out through something,

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give me a few hours here I'll get it worked out.

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a meal, and when we returned, indeed their stuff was gone.

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next to the house. And so you know, we had

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everything was in the pool. So of course that was

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not an acceptable solution to their moving and so I

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called him back up again and I said, look, the

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stuff's out of the house, but now it's all in

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the pool. What the heck is going on here? And

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he says, what do you mean, it's all in the pool?

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and look at it. So he drove out and he's like, yeah,

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it's in the pool. But I had no idea why

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I didn't do it. And I said, well, did you

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pay somebody to come in here and move the stuff?

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And he goes no. I made a phone call to them.

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I got hold of them. They said they'd have it

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out of there. They were mixed up apparently on the

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date when they were supposed to move out, And here

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we are, and I said, well, you're going to have

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to figure something out, and he goes, you know what,

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this is a done deal to pay cash for it.

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heard of him for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: Lovely ridiculous. I mean, okay, So, I mean, how long

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did the furniture stay there before you could get rid

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of it?

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Speaker 5: Well, it took me about three four days of moving

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it myself with a hand, Dolly and I hired a

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couple of people and we just dragged it all out,

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through it out in front of the ranch on the

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street and lo and behold, within about twenty four hours,

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forty eight hours, it was all gone. So we thought

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that problem was over with. But then the next thing

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gone back to work on Monday, and I was taking

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some time off with the idea that I was going

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to get the place in shape and try to get

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everything done so that you know, we could actually you know,

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have a semi normal life, you know how it is

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after you move. And I saw a guy walk up

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the driveway, kind of a disheveled looking man in his forties, shorts,

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kind of a cut off, you know, like an army

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kind of fatigued type of shirt with the sleeves cut off,

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and just you know, he looked pretty rough, and he's

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carrying the machete of all things. And he walked up

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to the house, or very close to the house, and

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good thing. So I had previously purchased a firearm, and

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I took the three fifty seven that I kind of

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used for self defense and stuck it down in the

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back of my pants and I walked out to meet him,

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and I asked him what he was doing here, and

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he says, well, what are you doing here? And I said, well,

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I live here. He says, no, you don't. Said, well,

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I just bought the place. I paid cash for it.

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I've moved in. This is my ranch. Why are you here?

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you see that building back there, that white building, And

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I said yeah, because that's where I live. And I said, well,

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nobody told me that you came with the property. You're

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not supposed to be here. And he just looked at

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me and he goes, well, I work here and I

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live here. And I said, well, you know, I'm sorry,

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but right now I don't have a need for your services.

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I said, if you have any you know, personal possessions

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or anything that are back there and that building back there,

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please go and get them, and you know, let's get

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you out of here, he said. He looked at me

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and he kind of laughed, and he had this machete

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with a piece of twine or rather like a leather

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material attached around the handle, and he was just kind

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of moving it back and forth. And you I thought

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to myself, Man, I hope I don't have to shoot

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this guy. You know, first day on the property, first

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week on this ranch. I don't want have to shoot anybody.

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you know, you're going to be really really sorry when

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I'm gone. And I looked at him and I said, no,

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I'm not. I'm actually looking forward to it. Would you

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please hurry up and get your stuff and get gone.

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I don't want to have to call the sheriff. And

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he goes, you know what my job is And I said, now,

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your job's to leave, and he looked at me and

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he says, no, my job is to make sure that

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this ranch is free of monsters and I said to myself, monsters,

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what kind of monsters? And he looked at me, and

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he goes, you'll find out without me around, the monsters

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are going to be a real bad situation for you.

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crazy out of the side of his eye and walked

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back to the building back there, which we call the

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tack room because we use it for horse supplies. And

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he grabbed a couple of hands, turned around him, walked

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off the property. And that was the end of it.

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a whole week yet, and it's already starting up strange.

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Speaker 1: I mean, keeping the monsters at bay, And you know,

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out how he supposedly was doing that?

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Speaker 5: Now? I never saw him again after that. It was,

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you know, and I actually had some regrets. I mean,

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if I could go back in time and redo that situation,

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I definitely would have done it differently. But at the time,

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you know, we're out in the middle of several hundred

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thousand acres of wild desert there. Especially when we moved

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out here, there was nobody else out here except us,

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And I mean We're twelve miles just from the nearest

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main access road that goes into Arizona into Phoenix via

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I ten, which is the big freeway, and the nearest

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gas is like twelve miles away, The nearest store, the

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nearest anything was twelve miles away, and so, you know,

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I really wasn't too interested at the time. And having

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a guy carrying a weapon that size just stroll up

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to my front door and you know, actually he did,

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that's kind of put off by Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I mean what happened after that? Did things were

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able to get in and get settled.

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Speaker 5: Well, we got settled in, and the next big thing

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that happened was I needed to get a phone, and

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I needed to get you know, just the basic things

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like you know, satellite service looked up and all that

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kind of thing. And I called the local phone company

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and I said, guys, I need to get you know,

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my phone hooked up. And they said, sure, we'll be

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happy to do that, and they made an appointment with me.

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And the day that the guy was supposed to come

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out and install the phone, nobody showed up. And I

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waited an extra hour and then I called them and

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I said, you know, hey, guys, I'm supposed to have

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a phone put in today. You know, I've got the

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phone jacks are already in. All I need is somebody

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to you know, hook up the you know, the box.

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And the lady who answered the phone and she said, well,

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we have a problem. And I said, well, what's the problem.

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And she says, I can't get anybody to go out

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to your ranch. And I said, what do you mean

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you can't get anybody. It's not that far from Phoenix,

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you know. And I at this time, I'm still under

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the impression that the ranch is not, you know, any

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big deal or anything different than any other place. And

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I'm just thinking to myself, man, the service out here

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in the west really sucks, you know, because I'm from

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back East and you don't have those kind of problems

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back east. And you know, I was really put off

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by it. And I said, well, how am I supposed

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to get a phone? And she says, well, let me

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figure that out and i'll call you back. Well, two

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days went by and nobody called me back. So I

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finally called her back again and I said, look, I'm

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the guy out here in Rainbow Valley. He's trying to

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get his phone put in and she says, yes, yes, sorry,

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mister Edmunds, I think I've got the situation worked out.

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I will send a truck back out to you. And

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so I thought, all right, you know, I'll just overlook this,

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not a big deal. And so finally a guy came out,

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you know, you know, work truck, and when he got

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out of the truck, he looked like he was just

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scared to death. And I looked at him and I said, Hi,

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I'm John Edmonds. You're at the right place. Can you

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go ahead and put in my installation for my phone?

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And the guy literally almost sounded like he was stuttering,

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he was so afraid. And I looked at him. I said, sir,

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I'm a nice guy. I'm not here to yell at you.

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I'm not here to give you a problem or anything else.

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Just put in the phone and we're good. And he

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looked at me. He goes, do you know what this

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place is? And I said, yeah, it's a ranch in

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the middle of nowhere, and he goes, no, no, no,

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have you ever heard the stories about this place? And

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I said no, I haven't heard any stories. I said,

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I bought it. I thought it was nice looking area

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and it's going to be fun, maybe get some horses

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or something. And he goes, well, you don't have the

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history of the place, and I said, no, sirr, I don't.

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And I said, so, why are you so afraid? He goes, well,

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nobody wanted to come out here, and I said, yeah,

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I kind of get that figured out when nobody showed

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up for the first appointment. And he turned around and

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he said, we drew straws to figure out who's going

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to get stuck coming out here. And I said, well,

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you guys are certainly not winning any awards for customer

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service right now, so could you just put in the

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phone police. So he finally came in, he did his thing,

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got the phone put in at worked. I was happy,

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and he started telling me about the various different stories

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of all the things that happened out here, and I

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was actually dumbfounded. And from the very first time that

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this ranch was built, apparently the man who built it,

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you know, loved the idea of putting in the ranch

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and building the buildings and everything. That was all good,

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But when he brought it out, or brought his wife

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out to show it to her as a secret surprise,

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she was so horrified by the energy out here that

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she said she would divorce him before she would ever

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move into it. And so they never even moved in.

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They just put it up on the market for sale

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right away. That was just the very initial building of

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it back in nineteen seventy seven. From there, the people

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that bought the ranch turned it into actually a pretty profitable,

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good place, and it sounded like they had things pretty

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well put together. They were raising cattle out here. They

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were doing you know, baby calves one day, old calves,

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and they would go ahead and raise them up and

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then turn around and sell them. And they were making

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a heck of a lot of money until one day,

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the day before the sun, the oldest son was supposed

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to graduate from high school here for no good reason

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at all. Apparently he put a shotgun in his mouth

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and blew his head off sitting in the living.

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Speaker 1: Room, gees, for no reason that they knew of.

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Speaker 5: But well, nobody that I ever spoke to could tell

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me why. Apparently they made good money. Everybody was you know,

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on board as far as you know, having the stuff

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that they needed. They all had you know, cars, They

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were all doing their thing. The kid was success us

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full as brothers and sisters were doing well in school.

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Apparently there was no good reason behind it. It just happened. Wow,

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So it just kind of goes on from there. I mean,

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do you want me to just kind of go through

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the story or do you want to stop and ask

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me questions? What works for you? Martin?

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Speaker 1: Well, at this point, I just I'm curious. You're hearing

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all this strange stuff, and obviously you're you're probably having

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second thoughts that Okay, great, you bought the crazy ranch.

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Speaker 5: Well that's it. And actually what was really bothering me

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was the fact that my wife had been right and

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I had been probably wrong. And I felt like, oh

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my god, how am I ever going to tell her

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this stuff? You know? And she and I had always

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made a promise since the very day that we got married,

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never to have any secrets, and you know, to always

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be honest with each other, and we'd always done that.

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We in fact, we've still done it. We've been married

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almost twenty five years, and you know, I knew I

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was going to have to come clean with her and

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tell her all this stuff. So I wasn't looking forward

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to that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let me jump in here. Did you were you

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able to get any information from the local papers or

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just what this fella from the phone company I told you,

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I mean, did you did you try to corroborate anything

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beyond obviously the suicide and those type of things, just

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try to try to get a handle on what exactly

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was going on.

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Speaker 5: I actually did go into town. The nearest town is Buckeye, Arizona,

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which is about fourteen miles let's see, it would be

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north northwest of US. And I did try to go

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in and look a few things up, check things on

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the computer, things like that, and I did get confirmation

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of it. You know, the the apparently there was a

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long string of owners, you know, that somebody would buy

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the ranch, they would do something with it, they'd have

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a terrible experience, and then they would turn around and

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just either walk away from it and abandon it, or

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they would turn around and sell it for practically nothing.

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And that apparently is kind of what we walked into.

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Was the folks that we bought it from. You know,

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they had bought it directly from the bank. They'd gotten

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it for practically nothing. They turned around, they threw some

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pain on it, they threw some carpeting in it, and

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they turned around and spipped it up a little bit,

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and then they sold it to us.

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Speaker 1: So when you've got the ranch, you of course have

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all these strange people, strange stories. But when did you

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actually start having strange experiences.

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Speaker 5: Well, within a few days after the events that I've

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already previously stated, we began to see what we called

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orange orbs in the south sky. And at first I thought, wow,

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you know, we're out here in the middle of the desert,

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you know, and at nighttime out here, it's like, it's

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amazing in terms of being able to look up in

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the sky and see so many stars. The evenings here

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are pretty spectacular. And then when we started seeing these orbs,

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I thought, wow, those are like UFOs. That's pretty weird.

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And you know, we would see them on a regular basis,

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and I started actually photographing them, and then eventually I

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started videotaping them. And they were fascinating because you would

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see one and it would just all of a sudden

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turn on, like somebody just turned on a light bulb,

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and then you'd see two more, and then you change

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your perspective a little bit, and two or three more

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would turn on, and sometimes you would see, you know,

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a dozen or more of these things, and so I

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was fascinated with them, and I am a jeep and

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I thought, you know what, I'm going to drive out

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there and see what these things are. Well, I had

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no idea that when you look out into the desert

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sky at night, it's kind of like looking out into

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the ocean. You really can't see how far it is.

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And so you know, if you actually started driving the

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moment that you saw these lights, by the time you

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actually got there, they'd be gone because they were actually

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about seventeen miles away from the ranch due south. And

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when driving out in the desert at night, you got

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to be really careful. I mean, you always got to

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be careful when you go out in the desert, but

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especially when you go out at night, because there's no

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lights out there obviously, and so you got to be

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really careful about hitting something, running over it, getting a

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flat tire, that kind of thing. So you know, when

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I went out there and looked at these things, you know,

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I brought a camera. I ended up bringing like binoculars,

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and these things are huge. I mean they look like,

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you know, little blips in the night sky from seventeen

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miles away. But when you get actually within you know,

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a few thousand feet of them, you realize that these

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things are quite large, and on top of that, they

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actually look three dimensional. And then you know, when you

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look at them, you can actually see what looks like

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things inside of them. And you know, I was just

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blown away by that. I mean, I had no idea

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that this was going to be, you know, such an

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unusual thing. And the other thing is is that when

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you look at them, sometimes it almost looks like you're

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looking at the opening to a tunnel, and so it

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almost looks like they go somewhere, you know, like there's

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depth to them and you're seeing like the end of it.

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But so, you know, I was fascinated by seeing these orbs.

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We've been watching them off and on now for nineteen years.

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Uh you know, I have, you know, a couple of

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hours a video of different times that we've seen them.

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They change colors sometimes sometimes they go from orange to

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sort of a weird looking green. We see these black

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things inside of them. We see all these black lines

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that look like, I don't know what you would call

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all of them. We used to say they look like

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smoker lungs, because you would see this black sort of

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nasty stuff inside of them. And I mean you could

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see that much detail, and I had that all on video.

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Speaker 1: John, Are you still there? Yeah, I mean, oh okay,

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it sounded like you cut out there for a second.

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Speaker 5: The possible.

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Speaker 1: So all these lights that you started seeing, now, did

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they did? You said that they started They seemed like

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they were miles away, not quite on your property.

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Speaker 5: Did you just say? What?

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Speaker 1: Did you start seeing anything on your property?

475
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 5: Not right away? You know, we we we saw the orbs.

476
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440
And the other interesting thing was that said a lot

477
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,319
of times small you would see the orbs, we would

478
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,279
see military response to the orbs, and that was pretty fascinating. Uh.

479
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:59,960
Sometimes we would see groups of like army attack helicopters

480
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,160
in small groups of three and four that would travel

481
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,599
south down the main road out in front of the

482
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,400
ranch and they would be less than one hundred feet

483
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,599
off the ground and they would go out and they

484
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,599
would actually interact with these objects. Other times we would

485
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,319
see f sixteens, f fifteens going out you know, this

486
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,880
is back in the late nineties, you know, going out

487
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,519
to interact with them, and it was they couldn't even

488
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,480
keep up with them. These objects would move around so

489
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,319
fast that the jets would just be left you in

490
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,839
the dust behind them. Wow.

491
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: Now, did we said you had this activity happening over

492
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,559
your property. You've had people tell you about monsters and

493
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:56,119
strange things on your property, suicides. Were you ever were

494
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,200
you ever harassed by anybody else coming in, either by

495
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,680
the military or anybody else threatening you about what you're

496
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,839
seeing around your property?

497
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,599
Speaker 5: Well, to give you an idea, I started going online

498
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,319
and trying to find places that I could report or

499
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,839
that I could get more information about all this. I

500
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,920
was pretty much new to the whole UFO paranormal thing,

501
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,960
you know, I didn't really have a ton of experience

502
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,759
with it. And so one of the things that I

503
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,519
had come on to was what they called the cause

504
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:33,559
website CAUs all Encaps, that was run by a gentleman

505
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,359
by the name of Peter Gerston. And I used to

506
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,559
go on there all the time and make these reports

507
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,680
about everything that we saw because I thought it was

508
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,759
important to create a record of it in the not

509
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,839
too distant future. From that period of time when I

510
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,279
was doing that, we actually had a visit from what

511
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,880
they call the men in Black, and they typically just

512
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,039
started pretty much like what you always hear, and that

513
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,279
is one or two guys up. You know, they're wearing

514
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:07,920
black suits. They literally had like this almost like looks

515
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,880
like chicken skin, uncooked chicken skin. It's the only thing

516
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,279
that I could, you know, say that it reminded me

517
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,400
of or the color of, like a corpse, very pale skin,

518
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,359
dark glasses, you know, the whole thing. And at the time,

519
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,000
I thought, man, this is you know, this is absurd.

520
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,799
I mean, this is just so stereotypical. And you know,

521
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,680
part of me laughed about it, and part of me

522
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,279
just was horrified the fact that I was actually cleaning

523
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,079
a number of guns on a picnic table outside when

524
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,920
they pulled up in front in an suv and came

525
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,440
through the gates. At that time, you know, I thought

526
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,480
to myself, this can't be happening. This is just so

527
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,599
it's just off the wall, you know. And yet the

528
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
guys came up. They walked up the path, the main road,

529
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,000
up to where I was standing, and I actually had

530
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,119
a friend over at that and we both looked at

531
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920
him and I said, my friend looked at me and goes, John,

532
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,039
those are the men in black. And I said, yeah,

533
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,480
I know, I've heard the stories I'm sure I believe him,

534
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,079
but you know this, this seems too real not to believe.

535
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,440
And when they came up came up to us, I

536
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,720
asked them for identification, which they refused to show me,

537
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,279
and they just started telling me you need to stop

538
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,039
making those reports. And I said, what reports are you

539
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,200
speaking of? And you know, no details, nothing, Just do

540
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,960
you need to stop making those reports? And I looked

541
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,519
at him and I said, do you see what I'm

542
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,160
doing here? That picnic table's full of guns? I said,

543
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,559
does that mean anything to you? No expression on their faces,

544
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:49,079
no change of demeanor or anything else. They just told

545
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,880
me that the information at this location needs to cease

546
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,880
and that I need to just forget about ever seeing them.

547
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,440
And they turned around a lot. That was the end

548
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,720
of it. Never saw him again. But again another very

549
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,359
strange example.

550
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: We're talking with John Edmonds, the author of the upcoming

551
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:16,759
book Ascension Code. For those listeners that are tuning in

552
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,160
to us tonight on Jersey Talk Radio. If you go

553
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,640
to the YouTube and go to the Jersey Talk Radio

554
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,000
live stream, you can see our video as well as John.

555
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,359
I have your website up here, which is Alienranch dot

556
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,480
Weheeble dot com. So people can see if you want

557
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,880
to visit that. You have some very interesting pictures on

558
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160
your website, especially this gray guy right here on the

559
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:46,839
very front page. The men in black situation. It's curious

560
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,759
that they pulled up in an suv. Most tales you

561
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,720
hear of men in black is you know, they pull

562
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,480
up in like out of time, brand new looking caddies

563
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,640
from the fifties. So it was like a more of

564
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,119
a modern type of vehicle.

565
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. I actually when I first saw the vehicle, you know,

566
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,920
it was like a dark blue like a Chevy suburban,

567
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,960
you know, with barn doors on the back. And I thought,

568
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,160
you know, that's interesting, and I looked at the plate.

569
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,960
It was a white plate, you know, with dark riding

570
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,359
on it and said US Government. And that's how I

571
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,759
knew they were US government, or at least you know,

572
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:31,039
I thought they were. And at first I thought, you know,

573
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,279
this can't be good. I'm you know, kind of wondering

574
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,079
if maybe it was something to do with the Department

575
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,920
of Agriculture, because you know, we have a ranch, and

576
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,079
that it wasn't it turned out to be these what

577
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,160
I call the men in black.

578
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,079
Speaker 1: Now, when you bought the ranch, were you planning on

579
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,839
raising you doing cattle, or doing doing other types of animals.

580
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,680
Were you going to operate it as a ranch or

581
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,799
were you looking more of just having a large property a.

582
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,359
Speaker 5: Little bit of all of it. I had never I

583
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,640
had never, you know, done anything with farming or anything else.

584
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,160
I mean, I was a guy from Evanston, Illinois, just

585
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,519
a small suburb north to Chicago. And when I was

586
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:19,319
a kid, I used to watch all the you know,

587
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,799
the uh Sunday uh you know TV shows, you know,

588
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,480
with cowboys and Indians and all that stuff. And I thought, man,

589
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,119
horses are cool. I want to have a horse someday.

590
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:34,720
And so I was a big fan of horses. And

591
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,759
then when I came out to Arizona, I actually came

592
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,079
out to go to school get my undergraduate degree. In

593
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,440
my graduate degree, and I thought, you know what this is.

594
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,000
If I'm going to be here and I'm going to

595
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,160
live in Arizona, I don't want to live in an apartment.

596
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,599
I want to have a ranch. I was always very

597
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,680
attracted to the kind of the Old West as far

598
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,200
as Arizona went. And you know, I just said to myself, man,

599
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,440
I'm going to have a ranch. And when I looked

600
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,519
started looking around for homes. You know, this ranch was

601
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,759
in the same price range as most starter homes, and

602
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,960
I thought for ten acres for a night house with

603
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:14,000
a pool, with a guesthouse with a big barn. I thought,

604
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000
I can't beat that. So that's how we got into

605
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,319
the ranch. Then when we got here, we'd only been

606
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,279
here maybe I don't know, sixty days, and we got

607
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,200
a letter from the county saying that they were thinking

608
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,400
about changing the zoning and they said that if you

609
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,359
have horses or if you have live stack, then you

610
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,599
will be granddaddied in permanently. But if you don't have

611
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,839
horses or live stock, you can't ever have them. And

612
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
so I thought to myself, Wow, I think we better

613
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,279
get some horses. And I had been taking rides out

614
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,440
into the desert anyway, and each time that I went

615
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,079
out and I went south and I went to that

616
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,400
sort of UFO area, I used to see horses out there.

617
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,000
And the thing about the horses were that they didn't

618
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,759
look like wild horses. They look like domestic horses. And

619
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,400
you can kind of tell if you know anything about horses,

620
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,880
or or you spend a little time studying it. The

621
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,679
difference because wild horses are not particularly interested in coming

622
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,639
up to you and having any kind of interaction, whereas

623
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,400
domestic horses will acknowledge you, they will turn around to

624
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,280
face you. They actually have an interest in you because

625
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,159
they think you might have something for them to eat,

626
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,519
and so they'll let you approach or they'll actually approach you.

627
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,599
And you know, I started saying myself, Wow, they got

628
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,360
all these horses out here. I wonder why they're here.

629
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,400
So I started doing some checking on that, and I

630
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,079
started finding out that people were driving their horses out

631
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,599
into the desert and abandoning them rather than placing them

632
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,599
in good homes or doing any kind of work to

633
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,880
try to, you know, get them into a different situation,

634
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:48,960
you know, kind of like craigs will as rehoming them

635
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,519
or something like that. And so I thought, you know what,

636
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,159
these horses look hungrye they you know, they're kind of skinny.

637
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:58,519
I'm going to go get some hay and see what happens.

638
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,599
And so, you know, I rove back down towards the freeway,

639
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,360
which at that time from there was about twenty seven

640
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,960
miles one way, and I got a couple of bales

641
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,920
of hey threw them in the back of the jeep

642
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,360
and took them out there, and lo and behold, the

643
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,920
horses were just more than happy to enjoy some hey

644
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,840
and have what they used to be familiar with. And

645
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,079
after I did that a couple of times, I had

646
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,599
a small herd of horses. It would always show up

647
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,960
whenever I'd go out there to feed them, and gradually

648
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:33,000
they started following, following me back to the ranch. And

649
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,800
that's how I ended up getting horses, was that we

650
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,880
literally had the horses that followed us from the desert

651
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,840
down the road on the side of the road and

652
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,559
back to the ranch, and we got our first maybe

653
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,559
seven or eight horses that way.

654
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Great, Irene, You have a question.

655
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, when you first moved in, did you find

656
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,639
that everybody was vague about talking about the ranch? What

657
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,840
about other ranches in the vicinity? Were they having the

658
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,440
same sort of problems?

659
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,599
Speaker 5: There aren't At the time, there weren't any other ranches

660
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,440
out here. We literally were like the only place for

661
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,199
in the middle of about two hundred thousand acres.

662
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: I see, what.

663
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,159
Speaker 2: About people like if you went to the shop or

664
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:21,840
something like that or supermarket, was there anybody forth coming

665
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,719
on talking about it. What did you just know?

666
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 5: I did approach a few people. I did approach a

667
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,199
few people, and you know, I identified myself. I said, Hi,

668
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,239
you know, I'm John Huedgends. I bought that ranch out

669
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,400
there in the middle of the desert. And the moment

670
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,159
that I would say that, people would pick a couple

671
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,320
of steps back, and I thought, Oh, what did they do?

672
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,360
What did they say? And they would say, why in

673
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,039
the world would you move out there? You know? And

674
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,199
I would just look at them and I'd say, because

675
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,320
it's really pretty out there. I like it. It's very peaceful.

676
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,639
And they would just kind of shudder and look at

677
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,519
each other, and they didn't even really want to talk

678
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:03,199
to me. Nobody wanted to associate with us immediately.

679
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh damn it.

680
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: It's near Phoenix, isn't it. I'm just you say it's

681
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:12,320
near Phoenix.

682
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's about thirty five miles for southwest of Phoenix.

683
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:21,039
You know. And the weird thing about Arizona is that

684
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:25,719
if you're not familiar with any particular place out here,

685
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:29,039
I mean, people people here are kind of like city people,

686
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,519
and that is they go by blocks, they go by

687
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,920
you know, neighborhoods and things like that most people never

688
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,679
had even heard of this place. They had no idea

689
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:39,760
that it even existed.

690
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard of the Phoenix Nights. I'm wondering if

691
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,280
it ties back to anything from that time.

692
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,519
Speaker 5: You know, I couldn't tell you.

693
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,679
Speaker 1: Now. When did it really When did the activity really

694
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,159
start to get bizarre?

695
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,119
Speaker 5: Well, as time went by, we started feeling more and

696
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:10,679
more insecure out here. The energy to me seemed to change.

697
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,039
In about ninety I want to say, about ninety seven

698
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:20,679
or ninety eight, we went from being uninitiated and perplexed

699
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,639
and feeling uncomfortable to being pretty much downright angry about

700
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,199
things that were going on here. We began to see

701
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,000
things on the ranch where we started seeing creatures that

702
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:38,519
were in the vicinity of the ranch that clearly were

703
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,800
the monsters that the machete man was telling us about.

704
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:47,400
And gradually I became I sort of began acquiring more

705
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,440
and more weapons. That was kind of my reaction. I

706
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,679
went out and bought an AK forty seven. I went

707
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,320
out and bought an AR fifteen. You know, I had

708
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,960
a number of guns.

709
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:00,519
Speaker 6: That point.

710
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,519
Speaker 5: Go ahead, well.

711
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 6: You're getting some serious firepower at that point.

712
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,079
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean that we live in an

713
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:12,639
area where they have I believe for the entire area

714
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,079
they have less than twenty officers. And I mean this

715
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,800
the area that we live in, which is incorporates Buckeye

716
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:24,360
from a territory point of view, just from ross space

717
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:29,360
is the second largest place in Arizona besides Phoenix. It's

718
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,559
a good trivia question.

719
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:36,039
Speaker 1: When you started seeing some of these creatures, about how

720
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,280
long were you living on the property before you started

721
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,679
seeing them and what types of creatures were you seeing?

722
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 5: Well, we started seeing these. They kind of look like

723
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,760
they're human shape, but they are They have no distinguishable features.

724
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,679
They've been called the burlough Men for lack of another expression,

725
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,000
because is they kind of are the color of like

726
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,559
a rusty Brillo pad. But they stand about eight feet tall.

727
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:13,599
They are very big in terms of you know, like

728
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:18,199
their arms and legs are thick. They look powerful, and

729
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,480
we have no idea what they are. To this day,

730
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,840
we had no idea what they are. I mean that

731
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,519
the expression came from Jimmy Church who called them thebrilla man,

732
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,400
and it's kind of stocked everybody knows them by that.

733
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,519
Speaker 6: Now, is there any correlation do you know of that

734
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:39,480
you may not know with any of the entities allegedly

735
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:42,519
seen up on the Skinwalker Ranch, or is there anything

736
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,440
similar to that?

737
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. I actually had a chance

738
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,159
to meet the people that were behind the book for

739
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,039
the Skinwalker Ranch, and they said that they thought there

740
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,719
were some similarities to what was going on here, but

741
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,320
they thought that there was enough differences that they didn't

742
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,400
want to, you know, say that it was you know,

743
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,519
exactly at the same time.

744
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: Understood now with the Skinwalker Ranch case, there's been a

745
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,440
lot of a lot of information that's come out about

746
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,119
that case over the last few years. One of the

747
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:20,280
things about that really came out with not only the

748
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,639
uh the family that lived there, but then even when

749
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,800
the researchers were there that whatever was there had a

750
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,000
very negative side to it, had almost a trickster quality

751
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,920
to it, you know, with the animal mutilations and the

752
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:43,079
that when the rancher's dogs were killed. And you did

753
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:47,000
you encounter or are you encountering, because you're currently still

754
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:51,840
living there, any any activity that that feels that negative.

755
00:41:52,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, we experienced both of those horrible things. We

756
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,599
had rottweilers and we rescued and one of the best

757
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:09,360
Rottweilers I ever had was in a large outdoor run

758
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,880
and in the summertime, we would go ahead and bring

759
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,000
him in during the daytime, but we would let him

760
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,480
out at night. And when I went out to see

761
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,800
how he was doing the next morning, I found this

762
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,880
dog in the run, but it looked like somebody had

763
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,360
run over him with like a steam roller. I mean,

764
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:33,960
the poor dog was absolutely crushed flat, and the strange

765
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:40,320
thing was there was no blood. We also lost three

766
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,000
horses over a period of two years. All three of

767
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,599
those horses were mutilated, and we filed reports with the

768
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:52,239
Maricopa County Egg Department, to the Livestock Board and the

769
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,840
Sheriff's department, and it was very obvious that they had

770
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,480
been in a tremendous type of struggle within their runs

771
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,719
that they were in. They had tried to apparently try

772
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,679
to jump out, didn't make it, and they were killed

773
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,639
in a very grizzly fashion. Again, no blood, very precise

774
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:21,239
cuts on them, parts of them removed. It was absolutely horrible.

775
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 6: I had to jump in there because I've worked back

776
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:27,599
as far back as seventy seven in New Mexico with

777
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:32,599
lynnamoltenhow on an investigation on cattle mutilation, and certainly what

778
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,400
you just alluded to and what is discussed with loving

779
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,679
Good and some of the other stuff here certainly sounds

780
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:41,880
like the cattle mutilations that have gone on for the

781
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,320
last four or fifty years all through the Western hemisphere.

782
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:51,440
Have you looked into any of the possible correlations in

783
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,320
those two areas of investigation, Well.

784
00:43:56,159 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 5: We were actually we were contacted by Lenna Moultonhouse and yes,

785
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,679
we did do some research on that and it was

786
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:11,000
pretty much confirmed that that's what it was. The we

787
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:17,199
had they were all mares, female horses. They were literally

788
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,920
looked like somebody had removed the interior of the horse

789
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,039
as far as the organs and things went very specifically

790
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:28,679
and done it through the anus. Uh. They had their

791
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,440
eyes removed, the tongue was removed.

792
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 6: And in at least one case, the hosts were removed

793
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,280
and ears and this is classic. And also the fact

794
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,280
that there's a they're devoid of any blood in the

795
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,840
area or on the ground or whatever, or even you know,

796
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,960
showing signs of blood on the on the exterior the

797
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:52,760
hide and where they haven't been in size. That's classic.

798
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,519
I just I'm amazed that the men in black, you know,

799
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,440
came in whoever from the government, and you know this

800
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,159
is the to go over the same type of commentary

801
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,119
that was made to me regarding a UFO siding back

802
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,400
in New Mexico back in seventy seven. So there's a

803
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,559
lot of common threads here. Certainly, you know, you have

804
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,840
really had a broad range of evidence and experience over

805
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,239
a long period of time. The other in the orbs,

806
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,920
have you seen any other types of craft? I mean,

807
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,239
could you explain that if you have what they look.

808
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: Like, you're happy. We have had, for lack of another expression,

809
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:42,480
giant triangles over the ranch. In one case, we had

810
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,599
one that was actually south of the ranch, that was

811
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:50,360
out in the desert, and I had a dog that disappeared,

812
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,119
and I went out to try to find the dog,

813
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,639
and I drove my cheep down south on the road, stopped,

814
00:45:56,679 --> 00:46:01,400
pulled over, got out, walked up a little embankment, and

815
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,000
then down a small slope, and as I got to

816
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,840
the bottom of that slope, there was a triangle that

817
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,079
was literally hovering not more than about forty five fifty

818
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:18,079
feet off the ground. It was actually absolutely there was

819
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,159
no sound that I could perceive coming from it, but

820
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,320
there was an energy field emanating from it, and as

821
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,360
I got closer to it, what ended up happening was

822
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,719
I could feel like this almost like a heavy beat,

823
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,000
like a base beat, in my chest, and every hair

824
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,920
on my body just became almost like it was magnetized

825
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:46,239
or electrified, and it just stood on end and I

826
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,960
got like goosebumps. And I was not afraid. I'm not

827
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,199
a person that gets afraid, so I was not having

828
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,920
an emotional reaction. I was just having some kind of

829
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,039
electromagnetic at least that's my belief about it. Reaction to

830
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:06,199
it I did. I thought to myself when I saw this, Wow,

831
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,880
I got to go home and get my video camera.

832
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,760
Somebody's got to have a picture of this. And I

833
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,000
literally spun around in my tracks started to go back

834
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,559
to the jeep, and the next thing I knew, it

835
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,519
was like an hour and a half later, and I

836
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:24,280
was standing there just where I had remembered that I

837
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,280
had left from, but now I had the video camera

838
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,760
hanging from my shoulder. It was turned on and there

839
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,960
was nothing but white noise when I tried to hit

840
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,280
rewind and run it backwards.

841
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: So there was some type of electromagnetic air interference that

842
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,559
kept you from recording. You've had a classic missing time

843
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:50,199
episode and the the black triangle. How large do you

844
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:50,840
estimate it?

845
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,519
Speaker 5: I'm thinking that it was least I mean when I

846
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:04,039
saw it was the edge was pointed south and I

847
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,000
was looking at it from the side, and so I'm

848
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,679
thinking was at least one hundred to one hundred and

849
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:10,400
fifty feet.

850
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,679
Speaker 1: That's pretty big.

851
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: Well, actually, it's nothing compared to the ones that we

852
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,079
have seen over the ranch. We have seen ones over

853
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:21,280
the ranch where when you're standing underneath you cannot see

854
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,440
anything except blackness. There's no sky, there's nothing.

855
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: John, Sorry, I did anyone else reports saying it as well?

856
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 5: I don't know. I you know what, I was so

857
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,840
horrified after the experience was over. I wasn't fearful, but

858
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,320
I just, you know, I thought to myself, you know,

859
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,840
what have I got myself into here? You know, I

860
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,480
mean I moved that to this area and I'm seeing

861
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:56,119
all this stuff, and you know, I just I wasn't

862
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:58,920
happy at all, you know. And my dog finally came back,

863
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,760
which was good because it is about one hundred and

864
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,159
ten degrees that day, But you know, it's still just

865
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,320
the whole experience was rough, you know, And that's kind

866
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,079
of been my experience. Every time that I have tried

867
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,599
to find out if anybody else had reported anything, I

868
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,360
never had any luck. I mean, if I call Luke

869
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,960
Air Force Base, which is about twenty miles south or

870
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,400
north of me, you know, the air Force base will

871
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,280
never tell you anything. They'll just say, well, we have

872
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,599
no reports on that information at all, and you never

873
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,360
see anything in the newspaper. I called, you know, TV

874
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,480
stations around here, and it was as if they never

875
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,760
even heard that there was any activity out here.

876
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,519
Speaker 1: How large is your property.

877
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,639
Speaker 5: Ten acres with another five acres just to the north

878
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,079
and west of it that is landlocked into us that

879
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:47,039
nobody else can use?

880
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Okay, now, how how far away is your closest.

881
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 5: Neighbor at that time?

882
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,559
Speaker 1: Yes, of.

883
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,199
Speaker 5: Three quarters of a mile at least.

884
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:05,199
Speaker 1: So things that are that big. So it's possible, in

885
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,800
fact probable that your neighbors or other people living within

886
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,840
the area would have to see these types of events

887
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,159
as well. Have you ever talked with any of your

888
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,599
neighbors to see if they were having any similar experiences.

889
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,079
Speaker 5: I got to tell you, if we never really get

890
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:24,239
to know anybody out here to this day. People move

891
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,440
out here and they come and they go. You know,

892
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,920
people like this area because of the fact that it's

893
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,000
fun for them to use their alterrain vehicles and motorcycles

894
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,119
and you know, all that kind of stuff out here

895
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,199
in the desert. For the most part, most of the

896
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:44,840
properties out here now are rental properties. People come and

897
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,880
they go. There's no community here at.

898
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: All, and nobody in the local the nearest town that

899
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,079
you've ever talked to about the strange happenings that go

900
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:56,880
on in the area.

901
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 5: And well, let me, let me let me answer that.

902
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,599
I'm a psychiatric counselor a social worker and a therapist,

903
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,079
and so what I used to do was what's known

904
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:11,000
as in home therapy, and I would literally go out

905
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:13,159
to people's homes way out in the desert, in the

906
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:18,039
most remote areas and provide counseling. And there were very

907
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,320
I would say, probably in the period of about seven

908
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,880
or eight years that I was doing that, there was

909
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,239
at least five or six different times that people reported

910
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,159
to me that they were seeing things out here. Not

911
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,400
that I would ever ask them such a question, but

912
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,800
they would actually tell me that they had seen events

913
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,960
and that they had seen craft and things like that.

914
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
So yeah, people do see things out here. I mean,

915
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,360
I'm not the only person, you know. I actually and

916
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,440
in fact, at the time that we had the big

917
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,400
triangle over the ranch, I actually called Peter Davenport at

918
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,280
the UFO Reporting Center in Washington and made a full

919
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,880
report to him over the phone. As I was standing

920
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,599
there looking at this thing, and Peter Davenport said to me, John,

921
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,800
you've got to get some confirmation from some kind of

922
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,119
an authority figure. And I said, okay, well who would

923
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,159
that be. And he goes, well, call the police. And

924
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:11,320
I said, I live in an unincorporated area and no

925
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,400
police out here. And he said, well, call the sheriff.

926
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,639
And so I called the Sheriff's department, and indeed they

927
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,360
sent a squad car out, and the triangle was still

928
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,679
hovering right over the ranch when this person came out

929
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,400
in the squad car. And it was on a warm

930
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,559
summer night with no rain or anything else, no storms,

931
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,679
and the guy got out of his car and he's

932
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,719
got a raincoat on, and he's got a plastic thing

933
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,000
over the top of the brim of his hat. I'm

934
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,360
thinking to myself, well, that's pretty strange. And I said,

935
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,679
do you see what I see? And I had two

936
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:48,920
other witnesses that were actually there at the time, and

937
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,199
they saw that. Plus I'm speaking to Peter on the

938
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:55,920
other line, and he goes, yeah, I see it. And

939
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,920
I said, well, could you please report, you know, write

940
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,239
a report for me, take some pictures, something that's official,

941
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,679
so that I've got a record of this. And he

942
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,599
looked at me and he says, do you think it's

943
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,480
not strange that I'm wearing a raincoat? And I said, yeah,

944
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Actually that was going to be my next question. Why

945
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,320
are you wearing a raincoat? It's the desert, it's no rain.

946
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,519
And he goes, because I'm not going to make a

947
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,559
report of this. I'm not going to be the person

948
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,280
that goes on the record and loses his job over this.

949
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,280
And I said, well, can I get your you know,

950
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:28,199
badge number or your ID or something. He goes, now,

951
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,280
I will not report this. And I went to walk

952
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around and see where on the car the number of

953
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:36,559
the car was or the license plate, and both of

954
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,559
those had been blocked off so that I couldn't do

955
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:39,079
that either.

956
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,679
Speaker 6: And this was the county sheriff came out or was this.

957
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:48,639
Speaker 5: A Maricopa County Sheriff's Department, a deputy, not the sheriff himself,

958
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,239
not Joe or playout.

959
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: He'd come out and be put you in some pink overalls.

960
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually pink underwear.

961
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, this just keeps getting better and better.

962
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,079
Speaker 5: Now depending on your perspective.

963
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well you heard the sarcasm in my voice there.

964
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,280
You know you've been there now for how many years?

965
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,519
Speaker 5: It'll be twenty years June first.

966
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: Twenty years. Let me ask you this, and you know

967
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,559
we're gonna be going to cutting to our first break

968
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:24,960
here in a minute, but I want to least get

969
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,159
this in before we go to break. Is after twenty

970
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,199
years and you're starting to have all these experiences, and

971
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,880
some of them very negative. Why are you still there?

972
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,679
Why haven't you moved?

973
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,119
Speaker 5: When you own horses and you put over a million

974
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,599
dollars into a property that you saved up since you

975
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,760
were eight years old, very hard to be able to

976
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,400
just pick up and move to another Ranches are very expensive,

977
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:51,360
and when you have horses, it's that much harder. And

978
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,519
I just didn't want to sacrifice the horses. I didn't

979
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:57,079
want to sacrifice, you know, any of the animals. That

980
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,920
we have been trying to do rescue with. Yeah, and

981
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,440
at every step along the way, my wife and I

982
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,480
said down and we talked about it, and we just said,

983
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:09,559
it's got to get better. It's gotta get better. Unfortunately,

984
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:12,440
it just keep getting worse. It's only recently started getting

985
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,119
a little bit better.

986
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Speaker 1: Well, we're what we're going to do now is we're

987
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going to go to our first break and when we

988
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come back, we'll be talking more with John Edmonds about

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his upcoming book, The Ascension Code, and all the strange

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experiences he's having at the Stardust Ranch. You're listening to

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Unknown Origins Radio and we'll be right back after these messages,

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1049
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,880
Johnson with Bruce Pearson and Irene Alan Block, and we're

1050
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,280
talking with our guest tonight, John Edmonds, author of the

1051
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,039
upcoming book The Ascension Code. And uh, John, your I

1052
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:51,960
have to admit your story is really compelling, very strange.

1053
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,440
And now you yourself, you mentioned that as for a

1054
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,239
living you you you're a therapist, correct.

1055
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,639
Speaker 5: Well, I was I nineteen eighty eight. It got to

1056
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:07,679
the point finally where actually I take that back, was

1057
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:11,079
two thousand and eight that I got to the point

1058
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:14,159
where I said to myself, it's not fair for me

1059
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,519
to be a full time counselor and therapist and you know,

1060
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,519
have this kind of information and all the things that

1061
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:26,079
are happening here where you know, I sound crazier than

1062
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,679
the people I'm actually working with, you know, and believe me,

1063
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:31,840
I'm not crazy, and I don't have a diagnosis or

1064
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,679
anything like that. But you know, when you're dealing with

1065
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,280
people that are severely mentally ill and their stories are

1066
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,880
not anywhere near as challenging as the story that you're

1067
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,360
actually living on a daily basis, I just thought to myself,

1068
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,960
you know what, there's an ethical and a moral concern here,

1069
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,880
and you know, I need to put the practice on hold, stop,

1070
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,760
figure something else out, and you know, try to get

1071
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,559
this whole process work through. And so that's what I did.

1072
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,599
You know, I ed from the profession, and you know,

1073
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:05,320
I've been doing other things ever since. Now.

1074
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: Now, did you ever get reach a point with everything

1075
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,719
that was happening that, while you may not, you know,

1076
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,039
be crazier, you have to get yourself evaluated. But did

1077
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,639
you ever seek counseling of your own? Was there anybody

1078
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:21,360
that you could go and talk to about what was

1079
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,360
going on Did you feel like you're reaching a point

1080
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,280
where reality seemed to be taking a huge left turn

1081
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:28,559
on you.

1082
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:34,239
Speaker 5: My reality definitely was, you know, obviously very weird. You know,

1083
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,920
my wife and I, you know, we'd sit down at night,

1084
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,639
we'd pray, you know, always we've always been very spiritual,

1085
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,000
very uh, you know, strong believers in God, and so

1086
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,880
you know, we would always try to use that as

1087
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:50,119
pretty much our safety valve for everything. But I was

1088
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,440
fortunate in that I had a boss at work that

1089
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,760
was a very good friend, and I could always sit

1090
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,199
down and talk to her, and you know, she was

1091
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:00,880
blown away by everything, obviously, but she came out and

1092
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,039
took a few looks at things and she said, yeah,

1093
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:06,760
I get I get what you're talking about. And you know,

1094
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,000
so it was it was a good decision at that time.

1095
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:13,280
You know, it was the moral and the ethical thing

1096
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,320
to do. You know, my work was not affected in

1097
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,039
terms of you know what anybody would have known. It

1098
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:23,360
wasn't like I, you know, my clients that I was

1099
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,599
working was suffered in any way, or the quality of

1100
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:29,840
the work suffered, the paperwork I'd done. Nobody ever would

1101
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,840
have known the difference. But I knew the difference, and

1102
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,000
I wanted to be, you know, as pure of good

1103
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:39,239
intention as possible, and I felt the professional thing was

1104
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,280
to take a break.

1105
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:46,199
Speaker 1: Now, what about when you started to have encounters with

1106
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,159
these other beings, these for lack.

1107
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 5: Of a better graden, Yeah, the grays became something that

1108
01:02:55,159 --> 01:02:59,320
literally they just started showing up. And when I say

1109
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,559
showing up, they do the same thing the orbs do.

1110
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,880
They just all of a sudden are there. And that

1111
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,599
was what I started to experience here on the ranch,

1112
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,559
was that we would see these creatures and at first

1113
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,840
it didn't seem like they were terribly threatening, other than

1114
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,519
the fact that they were completely out of context in

1115
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:27,760
terms of, you know, suddenly appearing, and that part was disturbing.

1116
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,920
The fact that we could not communicate with them was

1117
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:35,800
very disturbing. And the fact that inevitably my wife had

1118
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,159
virtually no memory of it, because apparently there's something called

1119
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:44,119
fear paralysis that people normally or very often at least

1120
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:48,920
experience in the presence of these creatures. I don't have

1121
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,639
that problem for me. They don't scare me. They never did.

1122
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,440
I just don't feel it. So for me, I remember everything, Well.

1123
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: What would happen when you would see these, it would

1124
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,119
just be a visual sighting for a few seconds they

1125
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:04,599
pop out where.

1126
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,119
Speaker 6: They now.

1127
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:09,599
Speaker 5: Inevitably what would happen is is that in the beginning,

1128
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,320
we would either see them on our sun porch, which

1129
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:16,559
was about a thousand square foot enclosed porch that we

1130
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,719
built onto the back of the ranch before you go

1131
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,320
out to the pool, or we would see them in

1132
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,199
our master bedroom. And that was the part that was

1133
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,119
a bit spooky, and the fact that literally they would

1134
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:35,079
appear always in threes, and just out of nowhere. You

1135
01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:37,719
would sense that there was something in the room with us.

1136
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,599
And I've always rescued dogs, and so at the time,

1137
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:46,639
I had a pit bull that anything that stepped, you know,

1138
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,800
anywhere near our bedroom was going to get shredded. And

1139
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:56,239
this dog, she made a very strong attempt to just,

1140
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,159
you know, catch one of these things and tire it apart.

1141
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,320
But they always disappeared. They always just blinked out.

1142
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,159
Speaker 1: What you've I've heard this before, and I've got to

1143
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:10,840
bring it up. You have said before that you have

1144
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,960
actually killed one of these things.

1145
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,599
Speaker 5: I have done more than one of them. I've killed

1146
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:19,480
about eighteen of them. I've done that with a samurai sword.

1147
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:21,920
In most cases, but I've also done it by literally

1148
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,400
picking one up and smashing it against brick wall.

1149
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 6: I mean, did you do with the bodies of these?

1150
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,119
When I mean where's all the remains?

1151
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 5: Well, they don't go away. I mean, rather they don't remain.

1152
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:38,079
What happens is if you don't take the head, they

1153
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:43,400
blink out. And in one particular case where I actually

1154
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,599
ran one one through with a Samurai sword in the

1155
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:51,840
main chest cavity, it did blink out before I could

1156
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,039
take the head. But I managed to get a piece

1157
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,960
of tissue that was about the size of a good

1158
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,960
sized breakfruit. And that tissue was taken placed into a

1159
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,679
container place in the freezer, and then it was eventually

1160
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:09,960
sent to a gentleman in Grass Lakes, Michigan, by the

1161
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,880
name of Levin Goood, and he proceeded to take the

1162
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,840
tissue samples and send them out to several universities, and

1163
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:21,159
you get reports back on them.

1164
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: What did the report say?

1165
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,239
Speaker 5: Basically, the report said that the tissue sample didn't match

1166
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:37,320
anything on earth. It was neither entirely animal or entirely plant,

1167
01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:40,000
but it seemed like it was a combination of both.

1168
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:44,599
It had chlorophyll like a plant, but it also had

1169
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:48,360
the fibrous tissue of something that would be like an

1170
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,440
animal or a person, but that it didn't match anything

1171
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,679
that actually they had any record that they could find

1172
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,639
nothing to match it. And so doctor Levingoode had told me, John,

1173
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,400
you have the smoking gun of proof of alien life

1174
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,000
present on earth.

1175
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: But you have that proof, and what have you been

1176
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,400
able to do with it?

1177
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 5: Not much? I mean in terms of doctor Levinode passed

1178
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:21,119
away as well as his wife, and the report that

1179
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:25,599
we were given at the time came back with some

1180
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:28,679
micrographs of the actual samples that were tested in the

1181
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:34,199
lab and a brief report. And beyond that, you know,

1182
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:38,159
I literally we really haven't gotten that far. I mean,

1183
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:41,079
you know, we've done a lot of radio shows, we

1184
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:45,960
have written this book, you know, but beyond that what

1185
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,760
it has eventually led to thanks to my good friend

1186
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,719
Tommy Hawk's Blood who called me every day for three

1187
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,280
years and said, John, you got to tell your story.

1188
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,960
You've got to tell your story. And I really didn't

1189
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,519
want to tell the story. I was kind of ashamed

1190
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:01,920
of it. I thought, you know, why do I have

1191
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,280
to be the guy that comes out and says that

1192
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,880
all this weird crap is heavy this ranch. But eventually

1193
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,440
I got past that and I saw the importance of

1194
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:12,880
doing it, and then I figured, Okay, I'm going to

1195
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,719
step out and do it.

1196
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: Think that action Well, the question you said a few

1197
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,680
minutes ago that if you didn't take the head, they

1198
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,319
would disappear. How do you rive that? Did you take

1199
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,000
one of their heads?

1200
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 5: We at one point did actually have a body, and

1201
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,279
the body is I'm just going to tell you this

1202
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:43,319
straight out. I have made arrangements so that the it's

1203
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,760
not here on the ranch. That's probably the best way

1204
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,039
to put it. People always bug me about this, and

1205
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,479
I'm just going to tell you at some point that

1206
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,399
may become part of the picture, but right now, it's

1207
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,279
just not information that we're going to disclose.

1208
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,079
Speaker 1: No, And I actually completely unders stand that because we've

1209
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,439
talked with a lot of other people like doctor Jonathan

1210
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,039
Reid and people who've had other physical evidence, and they've

1211
01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:09,600
had people trying to take it from him and lots

1212
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,000
of lots of heartaches as far as that goes. But

1213
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,920
with that information, with having something like that, and I

1214
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:19,760
and again I understand if you don't want to give

1215
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,760
away too much information on it, but you know, what

1216
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,079
do you think you can do with that is there?

1217
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,159
Because it seems like if you drag it out in

1218
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:32,600
front of the media these days, you know, they'll just

1219
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,720
take a couple of pictures and say, yeah, it's a

1220
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,119
nice Okay, fine, it's a hoax, and then go on.

1221
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:42,119
Everyone seems to be programmed to not care about anything

1222
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:44,560
like this. You know, you would think this is the

1223
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,319
find of a century, and yet I could eat very

1224
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,720
easily seeing it being less than a little footnote, a blip,

1225
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,760
and then everybody goes away to go back and watch

1226
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,560
Honey booboo and the television or whatever.

1227
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 5: You know, you're not too far from the truth. There.

1228
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:03,359
The interesting thing about this whole story, beyond obviously the

1229
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:06,199
fact that we've had a lot of alien contact, good

1230
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,920
and bad, which we haven't really got to yet, but

1231
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,720
it's the fact that we have had a lot of

1232
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:18,079
interaction with various different agencies, with various different private people

1233
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:23,079
that work hand in hand with agencies, and not one

1234
01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:25,800
person has said that they don't believe us. I mean,

1235
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,319
you know, we've had we've had teams come out here

1236
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:32,239
and interview us, dick us to dinner, We've had you know,

1237
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:35,640
people come out and do you know actual research out here?

1238
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,239
You know, everybody knows it's true. I mean, for whatever reason,

1239
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:45,560
you know, this is the weirdest situation, probably one of

1240
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,920
the weirdest situations in uthology. I like to tell people

1241
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,159
there's like before the alien ranch, and there's after the

1242
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,880
alien Ranch, because everything that came before it is kind

1243
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,079
of like a great history class where he has to

1244
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:01,880
sit around and talk about stuff that happened fifty years ago,

1245
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,560
and everybody recites all the information in the data, and

1246
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,800
then there's half to the ranch, and that is kind

1247
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:10,800
of like where we are now.

1248
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,279
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that they're both good and bad. You've

1249
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:19,479
had good and well before we get into the good,

1250
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,520
let me ask you a question. When these things come

1251
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:26,520
in and you've taken a samurai sort to them, or

1252
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,479
however you've dispatched them, I mean, what made you do that?

1253
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:33,720
Were you being threatened? What was the situation where you

1254
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,840
would reach out to kill one of these things?

1255
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 5: Well, the problem is is that, like in the case

1256
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:45,239
of my wife, in one particular case, they literally did

1257
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:49,159
go after her to the point where they began to

1258
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:53,680
assault her. And in this one particular case that I'm

1259
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,079
thinking of I came into the bedroom. She always goes

1260
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,560
to bed early because she has to get up early

1261
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,960
for work, and because of the fact that I'm no

1262
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:05,760
longer on the you know, the perpetual uh, you know

1263
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,479
rat wheel that everybody seems to be on, and it

1264
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,720
has to go to a regular job. I don't have

1265
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,399
to go to bed row early. I don't have to

1266
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,640
get up real super early, even though I usually do.

1267
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,359
I walked in. Three of them were in the room.

1268
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:25,640
My wife was literally levitating off the bed. There was

1269
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:32,000
a gray touching her, and I grabbed my samurai sawd

1270
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:34,279
killed it, and I killed the other two as well.

1271
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:39,359
The bodies blinked out. My wife never had any clue

1272
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,479
what happened to her, and in fact, I didn't even

1273
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,760
tell her right away because I was so horrified by

1274
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,560
what was happening.

1275
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,279
Speaker 1: Did these entities ever try to communicate with you?

1276
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 5: If they did, I'm not aware of it. I tried,

1277
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,560
you know, doing the same thing that I do with horses,

1278
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,720
which sounds silly, but when you work with horses, you

1279
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:06,800
learn how to sort of in a way. Horse whisper

1280
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,039
is what they call it, where you communicate your wishes

1281
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,159
that you want the horse to do by literally thinking

1282
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:17,520
it and pushing it out to the horse. I tried

1283
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,800
to do the same thing with the Grays that that

1284
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,319
never worked. I never had any kind of communication with

1285
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:25,359
them in any way, shape or form, other than the

1286
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:27,760
fact that as soon as they saw me, they knew

1287
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,000
they were in for one heck of an ass kicking.

1288
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:32,600
Excuse my leg.

1289
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 2: Well, John, do you think that you maybe walked into

1290
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:41,159
a situation where there was just going to abductor.

1291
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of a hard time hearing.

1292
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: You could say A said, do you think you walked

1293
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,479
into the situation where they were about to adopt her?

1294
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:58,319
Speaker 5: I believe so. We actually had an experience that happened

1295
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:03,359
after that where they literally floated her out of the

1296
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:07,960
house and tried to abduct her up into a ship.

1297
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:13,880
And I actually have a signing document that's notarized, and

1298
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,239
my wife and I agreed on back in the day

1299
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,600
that was her doing that said that she would prefer

1300
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:24,760
to be shot and killed the rescue her rather than

1301
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,640
abducted by these creatures. And indeed I ended up grabbing

1302
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,479
an AK forty seven and a double clip and emptying

1303
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,800
the first clip into the area where she was being

1304
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,600
pulled up into like a solid beam of white light,

1305
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,479
and she fell. She was dropped, and she fell maybe

1306
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,000
twenty twenty five feet, and I used my body to

1307
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,880
catch her or to break her fall, and both of

1308
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,760
us I ended up getting a little bit injured, but

1309
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:56,479
neither one of us.

1310
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:01,319
Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, I see it does sound like they were

1311
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:03,520
about to take her again, and you said that she

1312
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:04,560
was levitating.

1313
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 5: Well, it gets so bad that we ended up literally

1314
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,159
I ended up having to put a pair of handcuffs

1315
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,319
on her ankles at night. This is a big foot

1316
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:20,319
four poster bed that we sleep in, and literally attach

1317
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:22,600
her to the bed to make sure that she would

1318
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,880
remain there the entire night.

1319
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: Now you had mentioned, let me ask this question real quick, Bruce,

1320
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,199
and then you can cut in when when you had

1321
01:15:33,279 --> 01:15:37,720
mentioned before about losing about an hour of time in

1322
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,600
that time, it's possible you may have been abducted during

1323
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,520
that time and not being aware of it. Did you

1324
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,319
encounter any other portions of missing time.

1325
01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:54,359
Speaker 5: There have been a number of different cases where either

1326
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,960
or both of us have lost time. It would take

1327
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,199
a long time to go into that part of the story.

1328
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,399
I would reserve that for a future event, if you're interested, Yes,

1329
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,680
there had been other There had been other times.

1330
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever considered hypnotic regression?

1331
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 5: I have done that. I actually went through the entire

1332
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:21,159
regression experience. I have takes of it. I have records

1333
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:25,600
of it, and yes, I know very well what happened

1334
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,960
during those experiences.

1335
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 1: So you'll wait to talk about those in another time,

1336
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,800
then correct? Okay, understood, Perst.

1337
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 6: You had a question, Well, just who did your regression therapy?

1338
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:43,319
Speaker 5: I actually worked with a gentleman here in Arizona named

1339
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:49,279
Robert O'Connor, who is the past president for a number

1340
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,880
many years of the Arizona Professional Hypnotherapy Association.

1341
01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:01,399
Speaker 6: I gotta tell you, I don't recall all well, I do,

1342
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,680
I work with one gentleman for a number of years,

1343
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,800
But I would be hard pressed to find a situation

1344
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:15,640
with more evidence, physical evidence, man, and the nonsense.

1345
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,119
Speaker 5: We have physical artifacts as well, could you?

1346
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to, might as well bring it on.

1347
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,439
I mean, I don't know if anything more to it

1348
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,359
it would make it more comprehensive, But please, by all means,

1349
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:28,520
could you share that with us too?

1350
01:17:29,279 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what. In two thousand and eleven,

1351
01:17:36,039 --> 01:17:38,079
I had just gotten to the point where Joyce and

1352
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:41,199
I just looked at each other and you know, we

1353
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:43,399
just felt like we were hanging on for dear life here.

1354
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:48,479
You know, we've been through so many different examples, you know,

1355
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,680
not only would the alien situation here Paso, we have

1356
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:59,279
ongoing problems with other types of entity, ghosts, all sorts

1357
01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:02,600
of things, and so you know, it's like it was

1358
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:07,920
like living literally in like a horror story. And I

1359
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,760
finally got to the point where I said, you know

1360
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,399
what I need, I really need to try to find

1361
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,720
somebody that could help us to sort this thing out.

1362
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:18,479
And we started putting out feelers on the internet. We started,

1363
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:22,760
you know, requesting people that I met. At the time,

1364
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,720
I was working as a producer of a radio show,

1365
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:29,279
and so I was in a position where, you know,

1366
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:31,239
I could actually talk to people that were going to

1367
01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:34,560
be guests on the show. And you know, we I

1368
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,880
finally made some connections, and one of the people that

1369
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:42,239
ended up contacting us was a person here in Phoenix

1370
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:49,560
who had regular contact allegedly with aliens. And I thought, wow,

1371
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:55,239
you know, if that person is for real and they're

1372
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:58,359
willing to actually come out here and discuss this with us,

1373
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,920
and maybe you know, introduced us to some individuals that

1374
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,279
could do something good for us instead of all this

1375
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,960
bad stuff that's happening. You know, that would be a

1376
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,319
great part of this. And so I ended up meeting

1377
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:13,039
a woman by the name of doctor Brandy, and Doctor

1378
01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:16,880
Brandy actually ended up bringing out some individuals that were

1379
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:25,119
allegedly aliens positive aliens from different groups. We had a

1380
01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:29,000
meeting excuse me here on the ranch with a few

1381
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,880
different individuals with her, and they literally showed us proof.

1382
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,680
Because I was very, very skeptical, and I thought, you know,

1383
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,000
anybody can say they're an alien. I mean, you know,

1384
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,560
I mean if they don't, you know, have any kind

1385
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,319
of physical attributes that somehow or another, you know, make

1386
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:47,439
me say to myself, oh my god, that's an alien.

1387
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:52,680
Why would I believe that they're an alien? Well they did.

1388
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,479
They actually brought out some evidence. And what was even

1389
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,479
more interesting was at the very end of the two

1390
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,039
or three hour that we all spent together, they I said,

1391
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,479
you know, there's one piece of evidence from this whole

1392
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,600
thing that's missing. I want to see a ship. I

1393
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,079
want to see a real ship. And I said, if

1394
01:20:12,119 --> 01:20:14,119
you guys can show me that you actually have a

1395
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:18,680
real ship here, then I'm going to be convinced beyond

1396
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:24,920
any any kind of you know, other experience here. And

1397
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,000
so they said, let's go outside. We went outside. My

1398
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,800
wife and I sat on the back of my nineteen

1399
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:35,119
ninety five forty three fifty pickup truck and we looked

1400
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:36,800
off to the left of us. We looked up in

1401
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,279
the sky and there was a ship the size of

1402
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:42,800
the stadium ended. I'd noticing anything that big in my life.

1403
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,239
It was a huge.

1404
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: That was not us. John, Yeah, I'm here.

1405
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,199
Speaker 5: Somebody's interfering with the broadcast.

1406
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I know. I've been hearing it several times as

1407
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,399
we've been going on. I've been hearing a voice cutting

1408
01:20:59,399 --> 01:20:59,960
in every.

1409
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 5: Now then exactly. That's exactly what I'm experiencing here as well.

1410
01:21:04,079 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's not us. Okay, very interesting. Well, we're

1411
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:09,640
recording this.

1412
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,039
Speaker 6: So I'll go back to your It almost sounded like

1413
01:21:14,079 --> 01:21:16,319
a loop back. I was listening to it here. I

1414
01:21:16,359 --> 01:21:19,479
was trying to check on it. But were you able

1415
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,119
to get ating photos of this thing the size of

1416
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,359
you know, downtown.

1417
01:21:23,039 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 5: I wasn't. I had no expectation that it was even

1418
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,079
going to happen. Quite frankly, I was just so dumbfounded.

1419
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:30,880
My wife and I looked at each other and I said,

1420
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,760
do you see that? She gets, yeah, I see it.

1421
01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:34,760
And I said, what do you see? And she says,

1422
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,479
I see a giant flying saucer that just came forward

1423
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,279
through the clouds and then it went back. And I said,

1424
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:44,960
that's exactly what I saw. And then she said, look

1425
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,079
over there, look in the south. And I looked at

1426
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:49,399
the south and it looked like there was a whole

1427
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:56,439
sky of ships in the bright orange late afternoon sun

1428
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,399
that was there. And then it started to have a

1429
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,520
storm out of nowhere. I mean, it wasn't your typical

1430
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:09,720
monsoon Arizona in a summer thunderstorm. This was like, oh

1431
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,600
my god, we're going to have a tornado or something

1432
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,199
kind of storm. I mean, it got very dark, started

1433
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:17,800
raining real hard, and all sorts of thunder and lightning.

1434
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,199
And where doctor Brandy and where these other two people

1435
01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:26,720
that were standing there with her. All of a sudden,

1436
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:31,079
there was a huge flash of purple lightning. Now I've

1437
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:33,880
never seen purple lightning in my life. That purple lightning

1438
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,279
came down and struck the ground right behind where she was.

1439
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,880
Nina person seemed to be injured, and I thought, man,

1440
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,720
we got to get inside, and that was kind of

1441
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,479
the end of the whole thing. They ended up getting

1442
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,840
in vehicles and they left and we went inside. We

1443
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,239
didn't hear from doctor Brandy for four and a half

1444
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:57,640
years after that, even though we tried to contact her repeatedly,

1445
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,399
and the only way that we were finally able to

1446
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:04,399
make a connection was the fact that doctor Brandy happened

1447
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,119
to hear one of the broadcasts who wanted the other

1448
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,359
radio shows in my contact information, and she called me

1449
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:10,920
up and she goes, oh my god, John, I've been

1450
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,680
trying to reach you all this time. And I said, well,

1451
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,760
we tried to call you, but we never could get

1452
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,239
in touch with you. And she said, I got hit

1453
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:20,920
by lightning. And I said when, And she goes at

1454
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,239
your ranch and I was like, you got to be

1455
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:25,640
kidding me, and she says, you remember that bolt of

1456
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,239
lightning that came down. I said yeah, and she said

1457
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:30,520
it actually hit the ground and came back up through

1458
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:35,520
my shoes. And that's why I have not been able

1459
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,479
to contact her all this time. And apparently she had

1460
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,119
a complete memory loss, and she went through all sorts

1461
01:23:41,159 --> 01:23:43,560
of changes because of that today she seems to be

1462
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,359
okay and we have been once again reunited and we've

1463
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:51,000
actually had meetings with her and some of the people

1464
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:54,680
that she actually recommended that we talked to that were

1465
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,399
again aliens.

1466
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,159
Speaker 1: Can do some more details on these these other people

1467
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,800
that she brought with you. Uh, the when they when

1468
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,039
you were talking with them, How did they appear to you?

1469
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:11,880
And did they just seem like normal everyday people? Were

1470
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:17,199
they dressed up like regular folks, and other than the

1471
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:21,199
specific ways that they showed you, could they pass for

1472
01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:22,560
like anybody else on the street.

1473
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 5: I would suppose that, you know, if you didn't know

1474
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,840
the context and you weren't in a position where you

1475
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:36,000
were looking for something particularly different. Uh, each person could

1476
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:42,159
probably pass on their own that. The the size of

1477
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,319
some of the people, A couple of the males, Uh,

1478
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:51,920
the distinguishing characteristics of them, when you look at them

1479
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,399
and you say to yourself, they're almost like two perfect

1480
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:56,399
they are almost.

1481
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:58,159
Speaker 6: Too h.

1482
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 5: That they're not average looking people at best. Okay, I

1483
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,640
mean that's what I would walk away with. I would

1484
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:12,640
say that these were people that they seemed different, you know,

1485
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,119
but I guess in a crowd or if you weren't

1486
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:17,800
trying to you know, pick them out or anything else. Yeah,

1487
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,479
I suppose you could probably say that they, you know,

1488
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,600
were within the realm of you know, being normal.

1489
01:25:25,359 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 1: Were they conversing with you in English and just talking

1490
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:29,479
casually with you?

1491
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:37,239
Speaker 5: Yeah? They Actually they seemed more interested in me and

1492
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,359
more interested in my wife in terms of who we

1493
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:44,640
were than anything else. I mean, they they seem very

1494
01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:48,319
not only pleasant and seem very interested in meeting us

1495
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:55,880
that they they weren't particularly stand offish. They weren't. It's

1496
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,680
hard to say. I mean, they were just they seemed

1497
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,800
like they were very interested in what was happening here

1498
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,279
at the ranch at the time.

1499
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:08,119
Speaker 1: So they are already here doing whatever it is that

1500
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:12,960
they're doing with their agenda, and able to meet regular

1501
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:16,399
folks like yourself, you know. The one the one thing

1502
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,840
that a lot of skeptics say is well, why don't

1503
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,920
they just make themselves?

1504
01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:21,119
Speaker 5: Know?

1505
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: Why don't they just show up land on the White

1506
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,239
House lawn, just get it all over with and you know,

1507
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:32,319
show themselves. So, now that you've had an opportunity, then

1508
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,680
you've had your encounters with both negative and positive. You know,

1509
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,199
what would you say to a skeptic who says.

1510
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 5: Something like that, Well, I think everybody's kind of looking

1511
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,359
for the bigger picture, you know, everybody wants to know

1512
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:48,600
how all the pieces fit together. And what I would

1513
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,520
tell you is I don't have that answer. I would

1514
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,319
tell you that I had the answers to the questions

1515
01:26:54,319 --> 01:26:58,199
that I asked, and the answers that I asked we're

1516
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:01,319
a little bit similar to that. The fact that I

1517
01:27:01,359 --> 01:27:05,319
said who's in charge and the answers that I keep

1518
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:08,640
getting is there's not one group that's definitely in charge

1519
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,800
of anything. That there are a lot of different individual

1520
01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:19,199
members of you know, of their own races, and that

1521
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:21,520
they're here doing their own thing. But that does not

1522
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,359
necessarily mean that there's any kind of cohesion between these

1523
01:27:25,399 --> 01:27:28,520
different groups. And indeed, that's one of the things that

1524
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,359
I've been kind of trying to work on, you know,

1525
01:27:31,399 --> 01:27:35,279
with doctor Brandy, is that I've been saying, why don't

1526
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:38,840
we do something with this? We've got this ranch, there's

1527
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,079
all this weird stuff always going on out here, and

1528
01:27:42,359 --> 01:27:46,119
on top of it, after meeting you know, different members

1529
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:50,760
of these different races, everyone that I've talked to with her,

1530
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,319
with my wife, they all seem to want to come

1531
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:57,199
out and tell their story, and they said that they

1532
01:27:57,239 --> 01:27:58,920
had been waiting for me to come out and tell

1533
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,840
my story and that they were willing to do something

1534
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,199
with that similar. Well, in the weeks that have gone

1535
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:08,119
by since that, I've had several more meetings, but we

1536
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:10,479
still don't have any kind of cohesion. We still don't

1537
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:15,039
have any kind of consensus, and it hasn't gone anywhere yet.

1538
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:17,359
You know. I keep suggesting to them that maybe we

1539
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,399
have some kind of an event here at the ranch

1540
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:22,720
and that we you know, film it, and then we

1541
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,680
release the film and see how that's accepted. And then

1542
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,039
if that goes well, let me turn around and we say,

1543
01:28:29,119 --> 01:28:31,279
let's do it for real, Let's do it public, let's

1544
01:28:31,359 --> 01:28:33,880
you know, let's invite the media out, let's you know,

1545
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:38,760
invite out people that are you know, prominent members of

1546
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,119
the UFO community and let them be part of it.

1547
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,880
And there seems to be interested in doing it that way.

1548
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:47,399
But I'm not having any good luck yet at being

1549
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:51,800
able to assemble any kind of action plan to make

1550
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,079
it all happen. I'm hoping that maybe it'll move forward

1551
01:28:55,079 --> 01:28:55,640
at some point.

1552
01:28:57,279 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 6: All right, what if I were to say to you all,

1553
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,720
put together the four cameras and a couple of guys

1554
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,239
on a crew, and we'll come out there and we

1555
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:09,000
will sit around and tape and document and get it

1556
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:12,199
on mainstream media. Do you think that's viable or is

1557
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,880
there a reason that wouldn't work?

1558
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 5: You know, there's no reason why it wouldn't work. But

1559
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,920
the only issue is is trying to get it together.

1560
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,760
So far, when I've had meetings out here, I've been

1561
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,640
able to get one or two people to come out,

1562
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,560
been able to get like pector Brandy to come out

1563
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,079
with like one person. But in terms of getting what

1564
01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:33,560
I was hoping for, which was a number of these

1565
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,680
different you know races, In terms of you know, people

1566
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,479
that would be willing to you know, stand up and

1567
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,960
explain who they were and explain where they came from

1568
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,720
and what that's about, it's like hurting cats. I mean,

1569
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,720
I have just not had any kind of good luck

1570
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,399
with it yet. I'm still hopeful, but right now it's

1571
01:29:52,399 --> 01:29:53,560
just isn't happening.

1572
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 6: Well, let me answer this question, because so to your experience,

1573
01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:03,960
are they generally malevolent or are they you know, they

1574
01:30:04,039 --> 01:30:06,840
looking to work with us, or or what is it?

1575
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,880
You know? Perhaps first I.

1576
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,159
Speaker 5: Got to tell you. I think it's kind of like,

1577
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:12,199
you know, it was the same way if you ask

1578
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,279
that expression about people, and that is is that there's

1579
01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:18,399
good ones, there's bad ones. There's ones that they identify

1580
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,800
as being bad ones. There's ones that they don't like. Uh,

1581
01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:25,159
you know, I mean that there are It's it's not

1582
01:30:25,279 --> 01:30:26,279
that different.

1583
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 6: Right, it's it's not a homogeny. Well, here's the quest.

1584
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,399
But you have identified those that are friendly and cooperative

1585
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:36,760
and and did they give you an idea what any

1586
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,800
any individuals you know, what brought them to this this uh,

1587
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,319
this ball of dust and why they're here? And you

1588
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:46,479
know what their interest is or whatever? Are they just

1589
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,439
curious or are they tourists or do they need to

1590
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,439
fix it? I would tell you this, a lot of

1591
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,079
these different races have been here forever. And when I

1592
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:57,439
say forever, I mean you know, a long time. I

1593
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,680
can't say I don't want to even try to tell

1594
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:04,720
you in one hundred thousands whatever, right, long time? One time? Well,

1595
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,000
I mean that corroborates a lot of the theories and

1596
01:31:07,079 --> 01:31:11,000
a lot of the speculative or at least thoughtful theories

1597
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,439
of well, what are they here for? How long have

1598
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,439
they been here. You know, we have anecdotal evidence and

1599
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,279
physical evidence. Obviously.

1600
01:31:21,319 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 5: What I would tell you this, and that is is

1601
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,800
that I don't think that this is any stranger to

1602
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,680
the governments of the world. You know, I don't think

1603
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,560
it's kind of like, you know, life goes on and oh,

1604
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,640
by the way, what do you mean we've got aliens

1605
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,960
amongst us. They get it, they know.

1606
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 6: You know, I was out your way just a month

1607
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,960
or so ago and headed down ten all the way

1608
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,319
across the Arizona and in Mexico, and I wish I

1609
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:47,119
had known that, because I certainly would have taken a

1610
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:48,199
couple of days.

1611
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 5: And yeah, you know, we've One of the things we've

1612
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,640
been doing with folks, and that is is that we've been,

1613
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:56,920
you know, trying to kind of do disclosure here from

1614
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,560
the ground up, which instead of waiting for them to

1615
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,640
land on White House and the White House, you know,

1616
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,279
coming out and saying, hey, by the way, guess what,

1617
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,479
there's aliens and you know, all the stuff you've been

1618
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,119
hearing for the last sixty years is some of it's true.

1619
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,079
What we're trying to do is we're trying to do

1620
01:32:12,119 --> 01:32:14,279
it from the opposite, and that is, you know, what

1621
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,199
they landed on our lawn in a in a sense,

1622
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:21,359
you know, we we have this ranch and we're trying

1623
01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:24,359
to make it available to people that you know have

1624
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:28,640
good intention, uh you know, to actually participate. You know,

1625
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,079
we're we have people that come out on a regular

1626
01:32:31,119 --> 01:32:34,439
basis and you know, we speak to them, we show

1627
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:38,119
them things, uh, you know, and we let them make

1628
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:40,079
up their own minds. You know, We're not here with

1629
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:43,600
any agenda other than the fact that you know, this

1630
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,439
kind of fell on us or we stepped in it,

1631
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,800
whichever way you want to look at it. And we're

1632
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,680
just trying to manage the situation and we're trying to

1633
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,000
be good people and trying to get the word out.

1634
01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:56,520
And you know, however it works out, is how it

1635
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,960
works out. There is no uh you know, no super

1636
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:03,159
big plan yet that could happen, I guess at some point,

1637
01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:05,319
but right now it hasn't. We're just you know, people

1638
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:07,880
call me up and they say, John, I'd like to

1639
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,279
bring some gear out there. I'd like to you know,

1640
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,399
take some pictures. I'd like to come out and bring

1641
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,199
my you know, night vision goggles and look up in

1642
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:19,119
the sky and see stuff. If we can do it,

1643
01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:22,039
we will accommodate people. You know, people say, well, how

1644
01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:24,119
much do you charge for that? And what I tell

1645
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:26,800
them is, you know what, it's out of the goodness

1646
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,119
of our heart. It's because we love this country and

1647
01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:30,800
we want to do the right thing by it, and

1648
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,680
we're just trying to get the word out. If you

1649
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,680
want to make a donation, make a donation to Hopeful Hoofs,

1650
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:40,119
our nonprofit charity for the horses, and we'll call it good.

1651
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,680
You get a tax donation, you get a chance to

1652
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,760
visit the ranch. We're trying to do something good.

1653
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:49,239
Speaker 1: Well, we may have to take you up on that, John,

1654
01:33:49,319 --> 01:33:52,920
because this is definitely that something that's up our alley

1655
01:33:53,039 --> 01:33:59,399
with you know, Bruce's experience in television and my filmmaking background.

1656
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,520
So we may have to talk further about this off

1657
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,199
the air as as we go along.

1658
01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:06,319
Speaker 5: That's fine, and then call me up any time, come

1659
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:07,800
out and visit, you know, give me a couple of

1660
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,640
days notice, and you know we can make it happen.

1661
01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:12,600
You know, that's the whole thing. We're not trying to

1662
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,079
be famous, we're not trying to be anything. We're just

1663
01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:18,199
ourselves and we're just making this thing work as best

1664
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:20,880
we can for everybody. You know, our first concern is

1665
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,920
taking care of the ranch and taking care of the animals,

1666
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,439
and you know, taking care of each other. Beyond that,

1667
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,880
our hearts are open, our intentions are always good. We're

1668
01:34:31,359 --> 01:34:33,720
trying to you know, serve God and serve our country.

1669
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 1: Now, you and you mentioned earlier that you know you

1670
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:42,359
you're very spiritual, and let me I'm gonna throw something

1671
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:45,079
here out of you here, and you know, feel free

1672
01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:49,399
to answer as honestly as you want. The a lot

1673
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,720
of experiences that we've talked with that have had these

1674
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,720
experiences in a lot of cases turns out that they

1675
01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:01,960
have them all their lives and maybe just maybe memories

1676
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,159
fled back at a later time. They don't they think, oh,

1677
01:35:04,199 --> 01:35:07,319
I've never had an experience with aliens or whatnot, and

1678
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:11,199
then after a while it turns out that maybe this

1679
01:35:11,279 --> 01:35:12,680
has been a part of their life for a lot

1680
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,560
longer than they thought. Some people, even with doctor John

1681
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:21,920
Mack when he was doing his hypnotherapy on experiencers, found

1682
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:26,600
that people had made packs before even coming into this

1683
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,800
live to come in and have these experiences or were

1684
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,479
even part of these creatures. So I guess my question

1685
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:38,319
to you is did you get any indication that before

1686
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,880
moving to this ranch that you were connected with any

1687
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,960
of these types of experiences.

1688
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm yes, I would say, I have to I

1689
01:35:52,039 --> 01:35:54,760
have to tell you, from the time I was a

1690
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:59,560
little child, throughout my life, there has been periods of weirdness.

1691
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:04,039
I had worked very hard to try to minimize it

1692
01:36:04,199 --> 01:36:09,159
and try to tried to look the other direction and

1693
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:13,239
pretend it wasn't me, just because I didn't want any

1694
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:17,279
kind of a weird extra bisire wife. You know, I

1695
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:19,800
made a mistake when I was a kid, saying, Lord,

1696
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,880
don't ever let me live a straight or a boring wife.

1697
01:36:23,079 --> 01:36:26,399
And unfortunately, that was one prayer I should never have made.

1698
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,760
About nineteen sixty three, when I was a child sixty

1699
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,960
four sixty three in that area, I was on a

1700
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,199
field trip as a small child with my school, my

1701
01:36:38,319 --> 01:36:43,119
primary school, and we literally were in the process of

1702
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,920
visiting the Field Museum in Chicago, where I was living

1703
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,880
at the time, where I grew up, and a gentleman

1704
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,600
walked up to me outside before we actually entered the

1705
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,319
Field Museum, and he stuck out his hand and he said,

1706
01:36:57,359 --> 01:37:00,119
you're John Edmonds, and I just looked it him and

1707
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:03,359
I said, yes, sir, and he said, I am thrilled

1708
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:09,359
to meet you. You're you're somebody who's really special. And

1709
01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:12,640
at the time, you know, it kind of spooked me

1710
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:14,960
because I didn't know this man, and you know, we'd

1711
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,279
already been told about stranger danger and all that kind

1712
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:20,960
of stuff. So I wasn't particularly enthralled by the fact

1713
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,239
that this guy seemed so happy to meet me. But

1714
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,239
you know, he was well dressed. He looked like somebody

1715
01:37:27,239 --> 01:37:30,520
who was a professional person. You know, he didn't look like,

1716
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,159
you know, some scary guy. And I shook his hand

1717
01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:37,760
and that was the end of it. But the thing was,

1718
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,079
you know, over the years and thinking back to it,

1719
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,279
I kind of think maybe he was like from the future,

1720
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,920
and you know, maybe he was meeting me, you know,

1721
01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:50,319
when I was younger, just because that was the easiest

1722
01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:50,960
place to meet me.

1723
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: It's possible, Irene, you had a question, Yes.

1724
01:37:56,399 --> 01:38:01,319
Speaker 2: John, there's a question in the chat room. Besides seeing Chris,

1725
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:03,319
have you ever seen any reptilians.

1726
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 5: I have seen. I've actually met a reptilian, but they

1727
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:14,600
this person was not threatening at all. He did not

1728
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:18,359
seem like he was, you know, trying to impress me.

1729
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:26,439
With any kind of provocative presentation or anything else. That's

1730
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:27,279
about all I can tell.

1731
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 2: I've heard that before. But they are the aggressive ones.

1732
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, there are some people, remember where else had it?

1733
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:37,279
There are a lot of people claim that they're very

1734
01:38:37,319 --> 01:38:40,039
negative and there they are the aggressive ones, but other

1735
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,479
people say they're not. I guess it depends. Maybe it's

1736
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,199
just like humans, there's different factions.

1737
01:38:46,359 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I might have met one on his day off

1738
01:38:48,079 --> 01:38:48,479
or something.

1739
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:53,359
Speaker 6: I don't know really what what was Peter Davenport's feeling

1740
01:38:53,399 --> 01:38:55,039
on how you could pursue this? Did he give you

1741
01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:57,000
any insight on how to proceed or no?

1742
01:38:58,039 --> 01:39:01,199
Speaker 5: Now at the time, I think I may maybe three

1743
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:06,039
two three different reports to Peter. You know, he always

1744
01:39:06,039 --> 01:39:07,840
said the same thing, and that is, thank you for

1745
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,960
your report. Please get as much you know, collateral documentation

1746
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:16,119
as you can. He made a record of it as

1747
01:39:16,119 --> 01:39:18,199
far as I know, and that was the end of it.

1748
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:20,880
I never had any other personal contact with him. I

1749
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,840
was just another person calling in in the middle of

1750
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:27,119
the night. Geez, I just that's I wish I had

1751
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:28,840
done this a couple of weeks ago. I definitely would

1752
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:32,279
have spent a couple of days out there. How how

1753
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,319
what's the frequency. Is every night something's happening or every

1754
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:37,760
once a week, or is it is it sporadic, or

1755
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,680
is there any predict it all of the above. It's

1756
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,520
really hard to say in terms of, you know, there's

1757
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,039
no way to predict what's going to happen. We have

1758
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:53,840
regular visitors that have spent the night and they have

1759
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:57,439
had events happen. Here. We had a person who brought

1760
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:01,000
us a beautiful painting, who was given a choice of

1761
01:40:01,039 --> 01:40:03,199
where she wanted to sleep, and she decided she wanted

1762
01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:05,680
to sleep in the master bedroom. My wife and I

1763
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,520
have not slept in there in years. We sleep on

1764
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,560
the other end of the house in the smaller bedroom

1765
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,319
because that's where my life feels safe. And so this

1766
01:40:14,359 --> 01:40:17,079
person did spend the night in that bed, and she

1767
01:40:17,159 --> 01:40:19,640
did have an experience with what she described as being

1768
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:25,880
a tall white. So again that is another version of

1769
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:29,720
the grays. Apparently there's lots of different flavors of grays,

1770
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:35,359
and so she actually was quite perturbed by the fact

1771
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:37,359
that she helped this thing. In the middle of the

1772
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,800
night in her presence, she pulled down the covers and

1773
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,239
looked at it, and apparently she was able to you know,

1774
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:48,960
actually observe it, but it never did anything besides standing

1775
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,640
there apparently most of the night. She got up very

1776
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:55,439
bright and early, thanked me for being present, you know,

1777
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,319
for having an opportunity to be on the ranch, and

1778
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,960
off she went. We had another person that stayed with us,

1779
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,600
another female. A couple of weeks later. She chose to

1780
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,439
sleep on the sofa in the living room, which is

1781
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,359
a big, big group, and she ended up in the

1782
01:41:12,359 --> 01:41:15,520
middle of the night during an horrendous storm that we had,

1783
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:21,760
seeing what she believed were eight different grades all at once,

1784
01:41:22,119 --> 01:41:25,159
and she was not happy with it. She got up,

1785
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:29,520
she couldn't find the light. We use ceiling lights. We

1786
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:31,720
don't have any kind of like normal I guess what

1787
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:36,199
you would call lamps. We have the whites that are

1788
01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:39,399
built into the ceiling, and so she couldn't find the switch.

1789
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,840
She had upset in the middle of the night. She

1790
01:41:42,199 --> 01:41:45,279
walked outside, they'll get in her car, and she locked

1791
01:41:45,279 --> 01:41:48,439
herself up, and because of the storm, we couldn't hear her.

1792
01:41:49,039 --> 01:41:53,079
We heard the dogs barking maybe thirty minutes later, and

1793
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,279
I went up and tried to find out what happened,

1794
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,079
and she indeeded had an experience with these gray aliens,

1795
01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:05,119
apparently eight of them. I let her back in the

1796
01:42:05,159 --> 01:42:07,960
house and she got her stuff and daddled out the

1797
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,439
front gate two o'clock in the morning. And that's not

1798
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,640
an unusual thing we have had that happen before.

1799
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:22,279
Speaker 1: That's this is just so so incredible and wild and weird.

1800
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,560
Speaker 6: The absorb all this in one sitting.

1801
01:42:25,239 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 5: Yes, well, I mean, you know, guys, I'll tell you

1802
01:42:28,079 --> 01:42:30,680
something that has been one of the weirder things that's

1803
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:36,039
happened recently. I did a video interview on the Internet

1804
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:39,119
with Carry Cassidy to a Project Camelot, and when she

1805
01:42:39,279 --> 01:42:44,000
was interviewing me for that interview, the grays were actually

1806
01:42:44,399 --> 01:42:48,439
sticking their head behind us and popping up on the video.

1807
01:42:49,039 --> 01:42:51,439
And so Carrie informed me that that was one of

1808
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,479
the first times that anybody's ever recorded as part of

1809
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:59,720
an actual interview an et presence as part of.

1810
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:01,600
Speaker 1: The inner Interesting.

1811
01:43:02,079 --> 01:43:04,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, that now has she posted that? Is?

1812
01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:04,279
Speaker 1: That?

1813
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:05,199
Speaker 6: Is that on the edge?

1814
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:07,520
Speaker 5: It's it's on the internet. It's on YouTube. You can

1815
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,680
go find it. It's the last interview that I did

1816
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,439
maybe three or four weeks ago.

1817
01:43:12,399 --> 01:43:16,239
Speaker 6: Okay, well, let me let me mention something because one

1818
01:43:16,279 --> 01:43:18,520
of the people that I did some some work with

1819
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:22,039
who has kind of dropped off the radar, had an

1820
01:43:22,039 --> 01:43:29,520
incident where he was wildly ridiculed for putting allowing some

1821
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:37,960
video to be uh distributed which purportedly showed uh an

1822
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:43,600
entity and.

1823
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,159
Speaker 1: You know, yeah you dropped you dropped out there for

1824
01:43:46,199 --> 01:43:49,640
a second person, Okay, anyway, showed an entity.

1825
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, the entity popped its head outside the window and

1826
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,600
a piece of video and everybody, you know, heckled this

1827
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,640
guy right out of the room. So that's an interesting

1828
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:02,439
I'd like to see that video compare. It's well, you know, the.

1829
01:44:02,399 --> 01:44:05,039
Speaker 5: Good thing about all this stuff is is that, for

1830
01:44:05,079 --> 01:44:09,000
the most part, it's not me presenting it. It's stuff

1831
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,199
that happens when other people are here, so they get

1832
01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:13,880
to take the you know, the hit. I don't uh,

1833
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:15,800
you know, I'm just the guy that lives at the ranch.

1834
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:20,119
Speaker 1: Did you ever find out did the the good aliens

1835
01:44:20,359 --> 01:44:22,359
or you know these people I hate calling I hate

1836
01:44:22,359 --> 01:44:27,199
the word aliens. It's it's uh, yes, it's not encompassing, correctly.

1837
01:44:28,079 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 6: Probably.

1838
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: Did anybody give you any indication on why that area

1839
01:44:35,079 --> 01:44:37,600
is so active, especially around your property.

1840
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,560
Speaker 5: We haven't heard anything conclusive. We have heard various different

1841
01:44:44,279 --> 01:44:49,399
pieces of information in the fact that for some reason, uh,

1842
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:54,560
there are electromatic magnetic disturbances in this area. Very frequently

1843
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,920
when people try to find the ranch, they use the

1844
01:44:57,039 --> 01:45:00,319
GPS to try to find it, because we're in the

1845
01:45:00,359 --> 01:45:03,439
middle of nowhere. And what'll end up happening is is

1846
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,720
they'll go anywhere from half a mile down the road

1847
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,800
past the ranch to several miles down the ranch to

1848
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:10,840
the point where they run out of road, and then

1849
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,279
they call me and they go, John, I'm lost. I

1850
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:15,479
had my GPS, but my GPS sent me in their

1851
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:20,000
own direction. And we've actually had a couple of individuals

1852
01:45:20,039 --> 01:45:23,640
that are pilots that actually came and did the same

1853
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,039
thing with a plane. And you know, we keep hearing

1854
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:31,880
these stories that this place is kind of like it

1855
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:37,000
doesn't fit in terms of typical normal things, you know,

1856
01:45:37,279 --> 01:45:42,000
like things like geo magnetic. You know. We also we

1857
01:45:42,079 --> 01:45:46,079
have water birds here that came apparently from California, and

1858
01:45:46,199 --> 01:45:48,960
now they've become kind of like full time residents. So

1859
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,119
we have like the little water birds that run up

1860
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:55,760
and down the beach. Occasionally, we get pelicans, occasionally we

1861
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,640
get other sea birds and they just show up here

1862
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,760
on the range, and some of them have become full

1863
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,119
time residents and have been living here, you know, for

1864
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:08,520
several years. There's just a lot of weird stuff, you know,

1865
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:12,560
the fact that we have these portals on the property.

1866
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,560
Apparently they're not the only two. There may be, you know,

1867
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:22,800
spontaneous portals that literally make themselves visible at various different times.

1868
01:46:23,079 --> 01:46:24,920
I just had a gentleman that came out a couple

1869
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:28,359
of days ago who is an engineer who works for

1870
01:46:28,399 --> 01:46:31,520
a major manufacturer of computer chips here in the area,

1871
01:46:32,079 --> 01:46:33,880
and he'd heard the story and he wanted to come

1872
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,199
out and pick a look, and you know, we spent

1873
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,920
about thirty minutes talking and then I said, do you

1874
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,159
want me to go with you or do you just

1875
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:41,960
want to wander around? And he goes, I just want

1876
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,359
to go out and walk the property, and I said fine.

1877
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,359
He walked the property and one of the things that

1878
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,479
he told me about was the fact that he kept

1879
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:54,279
seeing what looked like sparks at ground level, and he

1880
01:46:54,319 --> 01:46:58,760
said that they almost looked like they were bright flashes

1881
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:03,479
of light. And I immediately recognize that because the person

1882
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who actually took the pictures of the gray aliens had

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told me the same thing, and she actually took a

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video of not only those bright lights popping up from

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the ground, but in a couple of cases they became

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much larger, and you know, to the point where they

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almost looked like they were big enough you could walk

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through them. So, you know, at this place, you never

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know what to expect. It's just sort of an ongoing,

1890
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you know, spectacle.

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Speaker 6: I have the mark Ien just jumping real quick at

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what's going on with your animals and your livestock at

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this point.

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Speaker 5: Other than the fact that we're always looking for donations

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to be able to feed them because the prices keep

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going up. They're healthy, they they apparently love being here.

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We've had a couple of people that, do you know,

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they they literally psychically talk to animals, or they talk

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to animals in terms of being able to understand what

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they're thinking. And they've done readings on the herd and

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they said the horses are very comfortable, they're happy, they're

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well fed, you know, and they're very cohesive as far

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as the herd goes. And while they understand that there's

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01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,279
a lot of weird stuff going on around them, it

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01:48:18,279 --> 01:48:21,079
doesn't bother them. So from that point of view, it's

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a good thing. The dogs. The dogs always seem like,

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01:48:24,399 --> 01:48:26,680
you know, they've got a job. Their job is to,

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you know, detect weirdness and detect anything that seems out

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of place. And you know, they don't seem to have

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a problem with us.

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Speaker 6: We haven't had any other any recently, had any animals

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killed or anything.

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Speaker 5: No, no, And I have a scarlet on the claw

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that I raised from an egg that I've had for

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twenty seven years. And she's kind of like my Flintstones

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alien protector. Whenever anything shows up or it's weird, you know,

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she starts saying bad dogs, bad dogs. And literally she

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yells that can hear her any place in the house.

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At the top of her lungs, that's where she screams.

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Speaker 6: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you should go out there and bring pickles

1922
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with you. He'll take care of those aliens for them.

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She has. Yeah, he's Mina's parrot. Yeah, Mina's parrot on

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the planet. He'll eat the aliens alive. Now, have you

1925
01:49:26,359 --> 01:49:30,880
had any more incidents of these these more negative entities

1926
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coming into the house.

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Speaker 5: On a regular basis? Now, I can't tell you. And

1928
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this is this is going to sound like a cop out,

1929
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but there's at times I can't tell if it's aliens

1930
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or ghosts or spirits or or whatever it is. I mean,

1931
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we see on our on our ceilings at nights. Sometimes

1932
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we see what we call white shadows and it looks

1933
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:55,800
like a bright white light, like you're actually shining a

1934
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light on a white ceiling. And we don't know what

1935
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,960
cau of them, but very often we'll see groups of

1936
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,199
like two or three of them. And then within a

1937
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few days after that we began to experience, you know,

1938
01:50:08,319 --> 01:50:12,199
a higher level of activity, you know, inside the house.

1939
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Sometimes it's just water bottles floating around. Sometimes it's one

1940
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of our small dogs that we have being literally floated

1941
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across the room. Sometimes it's just my wife hearing noise

1942
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that's music or clicking or tones or something strange that

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there is no audible source for us to be able

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to identify.

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Speaker 1: The The good aliens are the people that you you

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you've had many conversations with. Now, did they ever tell

1947
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:47,279
you where they're from?

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Speaker 5: We have at times had them identified themselves soon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So my question is you know a lot of

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people when they think you know UFOs aliens another planet

1951
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:05,600
coming all this way, traversing the vastness of space to

1952
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:10,000
come and visit us, And yet a lot of evidence

1953
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:14,159
seems to be pointing to the fact that, you know,

1954
01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:17,720
it's like when we look at all paranormal activity as

1955
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:23,720
being ghosts, it's much more complex and beautifully strange than

1956
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,000
we can imagine. And in a lot of cases, it

1957
01:51:27,039 --> 01:51:31,520
seems that we're dealing with more multi dimensional, interdimensional type

1958
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:39,359
of activity rather than rather than traditional aliens from outer

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space or ghosts or whatnot. Do you get any impression

1960
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:47,479
that you could be dealing with more interdimensional types of activity?

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Speaker 5: I would say that that was very well spoken, very

1962
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:54,720
good description and accurate. And the reason I would say

1963
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,760
that is is that I believe that there's probably a

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01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,680
great deal more out here that we're not even aware

1965
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:06,800
of that you know, he's going on. It's just we're

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dealing with cutney human senses, and you know, all we

1967
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,319
have is just you know that to be able to

1968
01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:17,479
detect things. But I definitely sense that there's a lot

1969
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:21,920
more to it than what meets the eye. I know that,

1970
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,039
like in the cases of the graves, because of the

1971
01:52:24,199 --> 01:52:28,800
violent confrontations that we've had with them, that until recently,

1972
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,760
what they used to do was they kind of like

1973
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,920
stick their head into this dimension, but they wouldn't allow

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01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,399
the rest of the body to come through unless they

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believe that they were safe. And then after they believed

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that I wasn't standing there with a Samurais order or

1977
01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:44,520
aluminum baseball bat getting ready to knock them into tomorrow,

1978
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then they step through the rest of the life.

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Speaker 6: Wow. Well, that certainly reinforces some of the theories that

1980
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:53,840
have been discussed more and more frequently in the last

1981
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couple of years though, about being interdimensional and not nuts

1982
01:52:57,279 --> 01:53:01,880
and bolts traversing these desks distances.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a guy that I'm friends with, Robert Collins,

1984
01:53:05,239 --> 01:53:08,960
Captain Robert Collins, and Robert's been in our lives for

1985
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,399
a number of years because of the fact that I

1986
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,960
went to him originally and asked for his advice about

1987
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,840
the tissue sample that I had, and he was the

1988
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one that helped me to get in touch with doctor Levinoode.

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But Bob Collins has a really good understanding of the

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physics involved, and I'm sure he would be happy at

1991
01:53:29,159 --> 01:53:32,199
some point to explain to you precisely how it works,

1992
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because he has a great understanding of it. And he's

1993
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:40,199
given me a very complicated version of it, but unfortunately

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I just can't repeat.

1995
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Speaker 6: Where does he live? Does he live in your area?

1996
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Speaker 5: No, he actually lives in Ohio And he's written at

1997
01:53:53,159 --> 01:54:00,840
least one or two books above disclosure, right, So he's

1998
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,920
he's a person to talk to. I mean, he gets

1999
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:08,399
it as far as the the whole situation in terms

2000
01:54:08,399 --> 01:54:12,039
of how these creatures move. He's actually had dealings with

2001
01:54:12,119 --> 01:54:13,600
them them himself.

2002
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Speaker 6: Well, we need to have him on the show for sure.

2003
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Speaker 1: Have you ever and We've only got about three minutes

2004
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,159
left here, so I'll make this my final question with

2005
01:54:22,319 --> 01:54:25,920
these these gray aliens, because you have violently attacked them

2006
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:31,000
on a number of occasions. Have you ever tried to

2007
01:54:31,039 --> 01:54:33,720
communicate with them? Or is it if they're in the

2008
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,039
house to ask them what they're doing? Or or is

2009
01:54:37,079 --> 01:54:40,600
your first reaction to like, Okay, they're invading and I'm

2010
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going to protect my home.

2011
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Speaker 5: Well, I originally it was, you know, I had an

2012
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,880
open mind and an open heart. I was willing to

2013
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:52,479
try to have some kind of a peaceable understanding. But

2014
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it didn't work out that way, you know, it just

2015
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,560
they didn't get it, and I wasn't willing to wait

2016
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around for them to try to come to an understanding. Uh,

2017
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when they started hurting dogs, when they started hurting horses, Uh,

2018
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when we started, you know, when they started hurting my wife.

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That was completely to the point where I just couldn't

2020
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couldn't deal with it any further understood, John, John.

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Speaker 2: When you're having when you're having a fight with him, Uh,

2022
01:55:22,039 --> 01:55:24,279
do you get injured or have you been injured badly?

2023
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 5: I have been injured. My wife has been injured. We

2024
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:32,720
are trying to deal with an illness of hers that

2025
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:37,359
is a result of her contact. And uh, you know,

2026
01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:39,239
so it's yeah, it hasn't been good.

2027
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that funny.

2028
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 5: Well, exem from Disclosure. I need to correct what I

2029
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,439
said about the title of the book that Robert Collins wrote.

2030
01:55:50,479 --> 01:55:53,760
It's called ab zem from Disclosure. I know he's probably

2031
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,760
some place in Ohio listening screaming at me because of

2032
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,039
the fact that I called it by the wrong title.

2033
01:55:59,079 --> 01:56:01,800
So I'm sorry. I corrected it.

2034
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we're coming in here. John. I can't thank

2035
01:56:08,239 --> 01:56:10,439
you enough for coming on and telling your story. And

2036
01:56:10,479 --> 01:56:13,520
it feels like, again we've only heard just a part

2037
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:15,720
of it. We would love to have you come back

2038
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,279
on the show again and continue this conversation.

2039
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 5: I'd be happy to thank you for having me and.

2040
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,239
Speaker 1: Uh, well, definitely we'll be talking to you off the

2041
01:56:25,279 --> 01:56:28,319
air about some other ideas that I know Bruce and

2042
01:56:28,359 --> 01:56:30,359
I and Irene are going to be kicking around and

2043
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,000
we'll share with you. Maybe we can come up with

2044
01:56:33,079 --> 01:56:35,560
something on trying to help you get the word out

2045
01:56:36,479 --> 01:56:41,079
now for now, where can people find your website and

2046
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:42,640
find out more information about you?

2047
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 5: And well, I would tell you there's if they're interested

2048
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:49,479
in the ranch and in terms of our rescue that

2049
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:53,680
we do for the animals, Hopeful Cloths dot org is

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01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:56,680
our site. That's h O P E f U L

2051
01:56:57,319 --> 01:57:01,680
Cloves h o O v e s dot org. It's

2052
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:05,439
a nonprofit five oh one C three charity. If they're

2053
01:57:05,479 --> 01:57:10,640
interested in general information about the ranch, they can actually

2054
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:16,880
go to www dot Stardust Ranch dot info.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the new book is called the it's called

2056
01:57:21,319 --> 01:57:24,279
Ascension Code, the true story of one man struggle with

2057
01:57:24,359 --> 01:57:28,920
extraterrestrials and its profound meaning for humanity. And as you mentioned,

2058
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:31,720
as you're looking for it to come out sometime later

2059
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:35,520
in around April hopefully, so we'll definitely be looking when

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01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:37,640
that does come out. Where can people get that.

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01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 5: It's available for pre sale right now on Amazon dot

2062
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:47,880
com and it'll definitely be out. I'm disappointed that there

2063
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:52,079
were some complications, but any previous sales are still good

2064
01:57:52,359 --> 01:57:55,399
and it's definitely going to be out and I think

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01:57:55,399 --> 01:57:56,560
it's going to be a pretty good club.

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01:57:57,319 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: Great well, John, thank you again for coming on the

2067
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,800
show tonight. We really love having you and uh we're

2068
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,720
going to look forward to reading your book and talking

2069
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:08,600
with you in the future.

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Speaker 6: Thanks again, Thanks again, amazing story, stay with it.

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Speaker 1: Me so thank you everybody for listening to another edition

2072
01:58:16,199 --> 01:58:21,680
of Unknown Origins Radio. Tune in every Wednesday night live

2073
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:25,439
here on Unknown Origins Radio dot Com and Mondays on

2074
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:29,199
Dark Matter Digital Network. Have a great week and we'll

2075
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:31,560
see all later. Bruce Irene, we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 6: Be good. Everybody. Thanks for being with us that all

2077
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save week and we'll see you next week.