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Speaker 2: And you gottacted night on the panel.

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Speaker 3: All right, Aaron McIntyre, Welcome to the Jay Burdon Show.

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How you doing man?

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Speaker 4: Hey man, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I you and I speak enough. Obviously,

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I come on your show fairly frequently, and I forget that.

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I think I've only had you on two times. Seems

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like it's much more than that. But yeah, man, I'm

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excited to have you on my show, particularly to talk

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about education. You said that you wrote your column about

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exactly that subject. I know that you worked in education,

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So if you could, one, I guess, explain why we

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should listen to you, and also I guess why this

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issue came up.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I've been a teacher more than i've been anything else.

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I've had a couple different professions in my life, you know,

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local reporter, other things. But I was a teacher for

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many years in Florida, and in my experience, the introduction

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of chromebooks and generally like constant screens and technology has

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been a just radical detriment to learning. I started teaching

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when I first came out of college, and then I

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went on to work in politics and reporting, and then

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I came back to teaching. So I have this rare

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kind of ten year gap in my teaching experience. So

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I got to teach before there was a single computer

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in a classroom, and I got to teach when they

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were ubiquitous. They were being rolled out as something every

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single student would have, and the difference is just mind blowing.

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The amount of distraction in the room who is just overwhelming.

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Imagine we'll get into the different aspects of how it

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negatively impacts people. But we just got a story from

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the mainstream media. I believe it was Fortune magazine or

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something like that, and they said that the United States

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has been something like thirty billion dollars to get screens

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into classrooms. And now the research is coming out and

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neuroscientists and others are saying, oh, actually, we can directly

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correlate the drop in the quality of education with the chromebooks.

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So we you know, we understand there are many reasons

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why the American educational system is failing. We know that

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the increase in non English speaking students, foreign students is

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driving down scores as well. So you know, we could

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just go with the oh, well, correlation doesn't you know,

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prove causation, And that's true, of course, but the fact

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that you can track it one to one in many

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instances means there's probably more fire there with all that smoke.

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And so I think it's very obvious is that we

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made this incredible investment in a technological classroom, and it

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has destroyed the ability of students to learn. And many people,

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myself included, we're saying this as it was occurring, and

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no one would listen, and we were told we were

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ludites and fools and behind the times, and don't you

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understand this is what's necessary. And it turns out we

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were right the whole time. But I don't even think

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with this data any of this will change. I think

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we're too heavily invested in a system that has already

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gone through this process. So I think it's critical at

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this moment that we maybe stopped for a moment and

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think about where we're at, because if we don't change

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what we're doing this and we're probably not going to,

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this is going to seriously destroy the ability of generations

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of young American children to learn. Well.

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Speaker 3: This is something that comes up often when I speak

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to older Americans. Realize the term boomer is a weighted

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one will use that for this discussion, And I think

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of my own grandfather, who, after coming back from the

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military and the sixties, went and became a teacher, a

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very brief career there. Because it turns out being a

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organized labor push where that was highly tied towards black separatism,

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this is someone who even decades ago saw the in

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built failures in American education. He grew up and graduated

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in an era where the Department of Education did not exist,

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where many of the issues had not yet started, and

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that this is creating a problem. Don't they understand that

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this is make students less competent? And that assumes, and

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it's a reasonable assumption, that the purpose of public education

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is to educate the public. That's what it says on

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the tin, right, that's why it's there. But that is

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not at all the purpose of public education. It's not

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the entire purpose, but a large part of it is

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as a jobs program. And the amazing thing about chromebooks,

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the amazing thing about these different student portals. Is that

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they take being a public school teacher, which is not

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a particularly difficult job, and make it even easier. You

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don't actually have to do anything. You can just let

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the computer do it. And so it's created this sort

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of weighted interest or tested interest rather in not changing

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that because if you're not particularly motivated to do your job,

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as many public school teachers are not, well, just stick

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the kids in front of a computer in front of

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a TV is way easier than actually doing anything. I've

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said this on air before. My wife has still does

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work as a teacher. First job in education was, you know,

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shortly after school, got a job at a very poorly performing,

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sort of ghetto school in a crime written American city.

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for free. These students do not care about them and

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routinely sell them, destroy them, But because they need them

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for their coursework, they're just given new ones. But she

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was in a second grade class, but even in that setting,

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she could tell that these kids were basically cooked. The

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vast majority of them were illiterate. They were using the

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sort of speech to text functionality, just talking into it

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and also using that they were able to come across

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things that you are not supposed to be able to access, right,

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extremely violent material, extremely disturbing material. Setting aside that just

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time wasting games and things like that, and the teacher,

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the administration basically didn't care because it kept them placated,

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it kept them from causing chaos. And so really the

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purpose of that school was not to educate those children

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but sort of function as a containment block for eight

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to nine hours a day. That was the reason that

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school existed, and also to funnel resources to the teachers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is something that is extremely evident,

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as you say, when you teach at a lower income school.

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then you might actually see some education occur. But when

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you are teaching I also taught my majority minority school

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that had multiple prison riot style fights breakout, you know

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that back kind of thing, you know, had had assistant

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principle knocked out by by a student that that you

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know that that really was the type of school I

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was in. And when you show up there, you recognize

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very quickly as you say that you are not educating students,

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you are holding them for nine hours. Why their parents

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go to work or do drugs? That is really your job.

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The many of my students parents would block the number

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of the school because they got called so often by

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the school about their child's behavior, and they just didn't

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want to be bothered, you know, didn't want to be

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reached by the school at all, so they just blocked it.

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You could, you couldn't reach them at all. This is

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a very common occurrence, and so there's an incentive there too,

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as you say, just kind of distract the students. But

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I think the more important thing that you also hit

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on there was school as a jobs program. A lot

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of people don't think about this, but in most counties,

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for instance, in Florida where I live, the top two

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employers are the hospital system and the school system. It's

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usually you know, between one and two. You know, they'll

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kind of alternate, which means that the majority of the

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biggest employer, the one that is keeping most of the

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people there in business, is the government system, and they

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are the education. We talk about the military industrial complex

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or you know, the big pharma, but big ED is

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huge like, there's billions, billions, probably trillions of dollars tied

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up in public schooling, and so the incentive is not

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to find something at works and allow it to work.

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The incentive is to create new systems and sell them

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to people. There's a lot of money in training. There's

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a lot of money in maintaining these chromebooks there, all

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the techts involved, everything, software to sell, all these things

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are incredibly profitable. And so we've known for probably at

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least one hundred years that direct instruction is the most

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useful way to teach a child. Like, we know how

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to do this, we know how this works, but there's

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no money in training teachers in the most basic form

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of education. There's no extra textbooks to be sold, there's

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no software, there's no maintenance, there's no additional supervision. So

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we don't use what we know works. We specifically avoid

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using what we know works because we can't sell it

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to teachers. So that's a massive part of this. You

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know this, Chromebooks aren't just in classrooms because they're useful.

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They're in classrooms because there's a giant profit motive behind

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them that is very obvious. The other aspect of this

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is you know, before you even get to the discipline

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and everything else, is that Google obviously has a massive

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incentive to have their computers in every classroom. So it's

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not just the computers they're selling. I believe originally they

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were offered at discounts, and you know, deep, deep discounts

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to get them in the room. Well, once in the

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room and you've acclimated every teacher and every student using them,

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they become ubiquitous. Now Google can start jacking up those prices,

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It can pull back all of those incentives, it can

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roll back all of those deals, because what are you

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gonna do. You're gonna run a classroom without a Chromebook.

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You don't even you don't even know how to do

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that at this point. Students don't know how to operate

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without one. So now you have an entire captured audience

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for your product.

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Speaker 4: And there's a further incentive that Google then becomes ubiquitous

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to the student when it comes to understanding things, learning things,

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presenting things. The Google search engine is truth. That's how

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you interact with the world. You don't go to textbooks,

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you don't listen to the teacher, you don't do any

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research yourself. You type things into Google and what Google

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says is the answer, including the fact that you're using

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all of the different Google software, the docs and the

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spreadsheets and the slides, and every aspect of your interaction

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with knowledge and how to present it is tied to Google.

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So now you have an audience that is not only captured,

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but is being trained from their youth to associate Google

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and all of its products with edgetion, with truth, with

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how you communicate and learn things. And finally, and I

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think very importantly that no one ever talks about you

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are an absolute insane person. If you think that Google

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is not keeping every bit of that data. If you

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don't think that they are mining every single bit of

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data out of those students and out of those crowbooks,

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you're just an insane person. So on top of all

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of this, there's the personal security and privacy issues that

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are tied to this. And again, we can talk about

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the discipline and the learning and everything else, and I'm

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sure we will, but just at the outset people who

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are really big on these conspiracies of corporations owning entire

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industries and perverting the incentives and controlling your health care

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or the military or all these things, we'll just kind

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of not notice that we have a giant educational industrial

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complex that controls everything that young people learn, understand know

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to be true.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's a to your point about what is

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the best method of teaching, Just look at what rich

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people mean, Like really really rich people who you know,

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don't have to play by the same rules that I do.

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They either send their kids to exclusive private schools, right

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the kind of private school you might have, you know,

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twenty to fifty students, or they get a private tutor.

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They don't buy their kids chromebooks, which is you know, Okay,

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maybe it's not the most intellectual test, but I think

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it's it's one to examine. And one of the more

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sinister things on this is for a long time, people

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of kind of our general persuasion, we're early adopters in

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homeschooling and private schools.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Look at the you know, the inception of you know,

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the homeschooling movement kind of in the late eighties, early

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nineties when it really started to pick up steam, let

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alone right, the kind of classical school movement, which you

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know started again in kind of the mid nineties and

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then exploded over the two thousand and intends well. In

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my state, for example, they are attempting to mandate the

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same standards quote unquote the SOLS and also the diversity

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requirements on private institutions, including private undergrad institutions and also homeschoolers.

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So basically, you will not be allowed to opt out

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of that incredibly broken system. You have to hire the

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sort of diversity commissars, and you have to teach to

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the same tests that are effectively cooking the brain of

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every young person in America. I think that we can

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understand the rationale or having some sort of standard for education,

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but the problem is the incentive, again as with anything else,

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is that it pushes people towards gaming that system instead

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of actually educating their students. Right, the joke from The Simpsons,

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which is now what thirty years old, of the students

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memorizing the scantron orders in class. Okay, sure it's a joke,

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but not by much.

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Speaker 4: And again, sorry sorry to interrupt you here, but this

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is so this proves your point so much. I just

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have to to interject with this real quick. I promise

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I'm not making this up. I promise I am not

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you know, fabulousize, uh, you know, manufacturing this to make

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it more exciting or whatever. I was sitting in a

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meeting with the principle of my school and she directly said,

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we need to do nothing but teach the children the

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answers to this test. That is all you should be

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doing at every moment. And someone had the temerity to

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raise their hand and say, isn't that bad, Like, aren't

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we not educating children? Isn't that not doing them a service?

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And again, it would have been nice if you, like,

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I know what the answer is going to be, but

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a little bit of obfuscation, a little bit of well, no,

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this is ultimately showing reflecting. She just point blake this

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is what we need to do to get the students

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out of here. This is the goal, is to get

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them through the door, in and out after hitting the metric.

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I do not care if they learn. I only care

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if they pass the test. Again, I knew that was true,

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but the fact that she couldn't put even the smallest

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amount of shine on that apple just blew me away.

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Like that level of candor of just nakedly Yeah, we

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are only here to get these kids to check the

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box and walk out the door. That is all that matters.

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And if you don't do it, I'm gonna fire you.

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Like that was just incredible.

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Speaker 3: Well, and to that point, I was speaking to a

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girl at church who is I think she's a first

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grade teacher her first year, and she was complaining about

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the fact and she hasn't know who I am, just

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someone you know, met at church, about the fact that

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at her school they've instituted scripts so effectively, every single

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day of teaching is planned. It's like reading your lines

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for a play. There is no space for teaching. It

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is simply, you know, going through a script written to

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accomplish that end. Right, The idea that this is a

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system that educates people is more and more laughable. It

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clearly is not, and I understand why people are confused

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or angry about that fact. But at a certain point

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it simply is not the case. There's really no more

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questioning that premise. So you said earlier, right, that you

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wrote an op ed about this. I'm curious who are

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you writing that to? Right? Is it just a general

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analysis piece? Do you see this sort of confusion kind

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of commonly in the discussion around this issue.

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Speaker 4: I am really just hoping that anyone will pay attention

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to this issue at all, Like I don't think anyone don't.

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I just don't see anyone addressing it. I think Jonathan

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Hite has talked about screens and classrooms, and you know,

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there's a couple of people talking about it, so that's good,

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but just the you know, and of course we can

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go you know, the the chromebooks are just the tip

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of the iceberg. The American educational system is just a

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absolute moral travesty on every level. But since that's what

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the small portion of this absolute war zone we're discussing,

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I need people to grasp what we're doing, because, as

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you say, you know that, you know, I talk a

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lot about the managerial system and revolution and how it's

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affected everything, But it has hit nothing more completely than education.

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As you say, you're basically a telemarketer. As a teacher

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at this point, you're just running through a script. You're

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you're flipping through and hitting buttons to tell people what

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to say. There is no critical thinking, learning understanding of

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any kind occurring in a classroom, not just on student

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and but also on the teacher. There. Everything has to

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be highly regiment and there's many reasons for this.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Part of it is relatigious nature of the American educational system.

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You step off the road at all, you're gonna get sued.

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One big part of it is the multicultural nature of

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our system, the fact that half the students can't speak English.

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They don't have the cultural background to understand the lessons

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you're learning. You know, we used to laugh at the

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woke saying, oh you know, oh, well, you know, your

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education is too white, it's too Western, it's too American.

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Other people from other places can't understand it. Well, I

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can tell you from firsthand experience that's true. Like they

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literally don't have the cultural background understand Shakespeare. It's not

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just that they can't read it. It's that they even

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if they could, they can't grasp it. They don't they've

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never read the Bible. They don't know any of the history,

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they don't know any of the illusions that are in there,

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and you can't. The problem is that education is layered.

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You can't teach everything at once, and you can't. You know,

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math is great, but everything is at math, Like a

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lot of things request are a high degree of cultural contexts,

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and you can't just speed run it by being like,

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here's Moby Dick. You have to actually build up to

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that point. Kids need to know all the illusions, the idioms,

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all of the things that you are ultimately pointing to

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when you're trying to dissect the novel or when you're

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trying to understand history. But they don't and they don't

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care because it's not their history and it's not their culture.

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And so the chromebook allows you to just kind of

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flatten all that stuff out and force these kids through.

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Also the explosion in IEPs in alternative requirements for students

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learning because they have some kind of learning disability. They

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have add they have ADHD, they have all these different things.

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They can't speak the language they need the Chromebook to

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basically cover for all of those things that all of

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the new accommodations are basically built into the technology, and

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so the Chromebook really allows you to kind of achieve

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all these things without having to think about it, without

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having to reason your way through it, and that's one

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of the reasons it's become again so ubiquitous. It is

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to the point now where if a teacher is out

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of the classroom, you just put another substitute into the

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classroom and the kids hit the same button on the

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same computer and then they do the same lesson and

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you don't even notice the teacher's gone, which is exactly

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what school district wants. They want that interchangeability where your

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relationship with the students, your knowledge of them, is completely

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immaterial because you're probably gonna leave in six months anyway

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because teaching is horrific, and they can just slot the

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next guy in and not miss a beat. Those things

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are all very attractive aspects of the Chromebook to your

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wider educational system on top of everything else that it does.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's sort of a piece of received wisdom

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in our spheres that basically runs if you want to

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know what actually happened in any historical event. Read a

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book written before nineteen forty five. It's sort of a

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joke there. But in my own school district, at least

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for elementary schools, had a standing policy to read no

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books written before twenty twelve. I think the one exception,

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the oldest book on the curriculum was The Hunger Games

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assigned reading, and sure, okay, that might not be the

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most objectionable individual book. I don't know if there's a

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ton of weight to it per se, but we see

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that same erasure of any culture, any idea before the

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kind of eternal woke present. Right, it simply does not

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even exist. You might be introduced to it as a

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negative example, right, this horrible, evil, racist time. You will

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have no first hand interaction with it whatsoever. It is

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effectively a sort of educational year zero. And one of

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the things that I think people don't understand about Generation Z,

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why that generation is so messed up for any number

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of reasons, is that effectively, in large part they were

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taught by millennials in public school, and I mean less

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so in college, although that's becoming more and more the case,

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and so all of the values of the kind of

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you know, great opening took a while to percolate through

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the system. Well, let me tell you, they hit education

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like a wrecking ball. Oh yeah, And so all of

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a sudden, you know, your teacher isn't some you know,

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well meaning fifty five year old liberal lady. You know, okay,

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she's a little bit kooky. It is the most stereotypical,

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blue haired person you can imagine, and with what latitude

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they do have. And we understand, of course they are

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pushing through an open door. They are moving with the

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system instead of against it. They can take those policies

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and ram them down your kid's throat. I think really

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this was, you know, the reason that you know, homeschooling

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and private schools blew up during the pandemic because for

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the first time you had parents at home next to

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their kids on zoom looking over their shoulder like, wait

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a minute. You know, missus Smith has been teaching you

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this the whole time. And what we've seen in Virginia

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as well as others, is that they will not let

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you retreat. They will export that exact same system to

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wherever your kids are because they understand. And I think

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this is a comment from you know, it was either

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Luther or cow and I can't remember which. Where it's like,

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if you have a child, you can change how they

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think for the rest of their lives. We are very

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accurate in pointing this out with you know, the baby

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boomer generation that effectively, you know, that system of thought

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has been kind of burnt into their brain. But there

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is a project to do the exact same thing. There

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is also an element to which education is a thought

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control and some of it is political, but as you

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mentioned earlier, some of that is also corporate right, putting

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in Google as the arbiter of truth in every child

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in America's mind. It's incredibly sinister, and I think that

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we need to understand that. You know, when we look at,

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you know, the attempt to trans your kid, which is

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very real. By the way, you think it's your kids teacher,

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it's actually your kids counselor guidance counselor school psychologist. Look

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for those. Those are real sinister. But also we keep

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reading all of these horrific stories about kids getting groomed

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over the Internet, and the controls, the parental controls on

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these chromebooks are so porous that it is not particularly

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difficult to get to apps like Discord, games like roadblocks,

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or any other of the numerous kind of other you know,

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third parties. Two groom children, You're basically leaving an open

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door in their backpack for the worst people in the

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world to come and get them. It's quite literally that simple.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've become somewhat known for a sign, you know,

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tapping a sign about. You know, it's not rocket science.

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They just want to deal with your kids. And a

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lot of people, you know, will give me the oh,

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you know, you're being hyperbolic, that's not the motivation. But wow,

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And I know they're wrong, and I know they wrong

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because I taught public school and it is as bad

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00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,119
as you were saying. In fact, it is much worse.

477
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,359
I promise you you listen to this right now, whoever

478
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,559
you are, if you have a child in public school,

479
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,240
the job of their guidance counselor is to trans your kid.

480
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,200
I'm not being hyperbolic. I really am not joking at all.

481
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,079
Like every incentive exists, I have watched this happen. I

482
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,279
have been sat in a room the minute I knew

483
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720
I had to get out of public education, and the

484
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:33,880
minute I knew that if I ever had a voice

485
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,960
like I do now, I would spend it screaming from

486
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,519
the rooftops about this issue. Was when I got sat

487
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,759
down in Florida, the state famous for pushing back against

488
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:47,920
the woke, you know revolution and they don't say gay

489
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640
Bill and all that stuff. In Florida, I was sat

490
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,519
down and told specifically that I had to lie two

491
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,440
parents if their child decided that they were trans I was.

492
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880
I would be fired from my job if I did

493
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,720
not lie to a parent about their child becoming trands. Now,

494
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:09,880
luckily I did not have to make that decision, because

495
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,480
if it came to it, I would have just been fired.

496
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,680
I would never have done that. But the fact that

497
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:20,160
that came down directly from the school in Florida, which

498
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,599
is supposed to be like the most aggressively against this

499
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:28,480
is absolutely insane. And as you say, they're you know,

500
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,799
moving on from that, since we were mainly talking about

501
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:35,160
the technology, but the chromebooks themselves are just portal to hell.

502
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,599
As you point out that you know, oh, we're going

503
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,119
to put parental controls on that. Oh okay, well, luckily

504
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,559
no child has ever circumvented a parental control, right, like,

505
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,279
especially when you put this in front of them all

506
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,839
day long. So you have thousands of children all sitting

507
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,759
in the same place for six to eight hours a

508
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,160
day in front of these screens. The first thing they

509
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,319
do is crack the parental controls. We went through at

510
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160
least five different versions of parental Controls while I was

511
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,319
teaching with chromebooks, and without fail, by the end of

512
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,720
the week, the students had hacked every single one of them.

513
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,240
And you know, they're they're playing video games, of course,

514
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,920
they're watching YouTube constantly. They're you know, watching their movie

515
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,759
sites where they can you know, download you know, pirated

516
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,680
movies from China, all that stuff that they're watching the

517
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,359
entire time they're never paying attention to. But on top

518
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,799
of that, they can do far more dangerous things. I

519
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,240
had several students who eventually completely lost chromebook privileges because

520
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,960
they had become addicted to pornography and could not stop

521
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:46,319
watching pornography in class constantly, just constantly, they like like

522
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,759
a like a like a heroin addict or you know,

523
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,640
some guys sitting at a slot machine, you know, like

524
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,160
they just could not stop themselves. It's not even that

525
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,799
they were sneaking around anymore, like they were compulsively watching it,

526
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,000
and that again, those are just the worst cases. Of course,

527
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,880
there's tons of kids involved in this. On top of that,

528
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:08,440
you have things like Google Docs. If people aren't aware,

529
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
this is like Google's version of Microsoft Word, and it's

530
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,559
always online and you can share the Google docs with

531
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,599
other people and the ideas while we can all work

532
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,039
on this together, and it's very helpful when we're trying to,

533
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,920
you know, work on a group project or assignment of

534
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,759
some kind where most people have to contribute. Well, the

535
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,799
other thing you can do with this is just use

536
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,240
it as a texting service. So basically everyone in the

537
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,000
school gets in these shared documents like little chat rooms,

538
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,960
and they're constantly talking to each other. So you can

539
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,720
even a few band phones, which that's its own conversation.

540
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,240
But even if you band phones entirely and students are

541
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,799
never using it, they're basically texting each other all day

542
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,000
in these docs, and they are bullying each other. They're

543
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,279
coordinating literal crimes, to the point where we had a

544
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,599
school assembly where we had to, in painstaking detail explain

545
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,079
to students that if you plan a crime on a doc,

546
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920
we can see it like that. That's not something that's hidden,

547
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960
that's not your private information. The school can see it.

548
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,279
Kids would literally do sex X in the bathroom, take

549
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:18,480
pictures of it with their chromebook, and literally share child

550
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:22,960
pornography on their laptops that they had created. We had

551
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,319
students facing child pornography charges because of their chromebooks. This

552
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:32,559
is all very common and parents are never told about it.

553
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:38,039
They're specifically, you know, this stuff is censored. It doesn't

554
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,839
go to the news. Nobody talks about this, even though

555
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,039
these kind of like, if you had a ring of

556
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,839
child pornography going on in a school in a previous era,

557
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,799
this would be the greatest scandal of the century, and

558
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,279
yet it's happened commonly. It's happening in your child school,

559
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,640
I promise you and parents. Administrators are hiding it from

560
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,359
you on purpose. The sheriff's office, the police there aware,

561
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,480
but nobody wants to address this. The implications are too

562
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,720
vast and too devastating, and so we just kind of

563
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,680
keep moving on as if this is not having a

564
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,680
diletarious effect on children.

565
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: Well, and even in a much more benign example, I

566
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,119
think of a you know, local Christian school to me,

567
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,440
which is relatively speaking, very restrictive on technology, and they

568
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:32,160
only allow sign in sign out access to laptops for

569
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,839
juniors and seniors. Right, the idea that this is used

570
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,519
for you know, applying to colleges, applying for internships, things

571
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,680
like that. And very quickly the children realized that every

572
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,440
single person's login was a derivation of the same formula.

573
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,920
So if you knew their first and last name, which

574
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,839
in a high school of one hundred you certainly did.

575
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,759
They were signing into each other's accounts, which I'll be honest,

576
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:57,720
would I do that at five or seventeen?

577
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: Yes?

578
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,599
Speaker 3: Was it very fun that they were, you know, signing

579
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,640
it as their friends and sending out an email to

580
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,039
everyone saying I am gay and I like men. Yes,

581
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,840
that is funny. Be you know, these are good kids,

582
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,679
They're not doing anything that bad. But still it shows

583
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,119
you that, you know, the vulnerability to these systems. Those

584
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,719
kids had been more maliciously minded, had been more interested

585
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,119
in causing chaos, they certainly could have done it. And look,

586
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,960
that's even in a system that is relatively speaking locked down. Right,

587
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,559
no other technology other than laptops you have to sign

588
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,400
your name to get one, right. This reminds me very

589
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,920
much of a case from Appomattox, Virginia. There was an

590
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,480
episode on Benjamin Boyce's show in the last year. I

591
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,920
can't remember who where one of the women on his

592
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:48,079
show went into this case. Effectively, what happened is that

593
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,840
this girl living with her mother in a very rural,

594
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,800
conservative area. Right This place is Ruby Red and it

595
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,360
is a town of basically nobody, right. Well, she had

596
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:05,519
through her school laptop discovered that she was transgender. She

597
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:08,960
was being groomed, and when she told her school guidance counselor,

598
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:14,800
they basically kidnapped her. They sent her to Maryland, which

599
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,079
is a trans sanctuary state, which means that if you

600
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:21,480
are a quote unquote transgender miner and you run there,

601
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,840
they will not send you back. So this girl ends

602
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,320
up in the foster care system, ends up really receiving

603
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,440
a horrific abuse of really every time you kind you

604
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:37,360
can think of. And basically it's because even in a

605
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,360
conservative area, her school psychologist, I believe it was the

606
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,159
psychologist was basically an undercover activist. And even though that

607
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,199
is highly illegal, it is kidnapping a minor, which produced

608
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,559
in addition other crimes, this person still has a job.

609
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Right.

610
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: Sure, there's a civil suit now, but even in conservative areas,

611
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,440
these systems exist to basically trans your kids. That's why

612
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,039
they are there. Sure there's also the element of a

613
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,719
jobs program. But the role of these school psychologists, these

614
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,039
school counselors is particularly sinister because basically what happens is,

615
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,119
I'm sure you're aware, psychology degrees are one of the

616
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,119
most popular degrees out there. There's sort of that I

617
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:25,239
don't know what I want to do, which has created

618
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,039
a glut of these people on the jobs market, so

619
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,719
many of them are ending up in education. If you

620
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,960
have ever taken even a single psychology course in college,

621
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,519
you are aware of what these people's politics are like.

622
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,840
And they are being seated by mandate from you know,

623
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,960
many of these states, in every school in America, and

624
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,320
they are given extreme latitude with your children. They can

625
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,480
take them out of class whenever without asking. They don't

626
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,360
actually do anything really other than kind of hover around

627
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,760
the building and look for a kid. And you see

628
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,159
the same pattern of you know, some kid who's having

629
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,159
a tough time for whatever reason. You know, maybe there's

630
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,760
there's trouble at home, maybe they're just a little bit neurotic,

631
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:09,119
getting sucked into this and these psychologists have the ability

632
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:13,719
to refer for diagnosis your children, so even if they

633
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,480
don't trans them, they are getting your kid hooked up

634
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,639
to powerful mind altering chemicals in elementary school. You do

635
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,199
not have to be notified in many states that your

636
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,599
kid has gotten a diagnosis and a prescription for SSRIs

637
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,320
and one of the things.

638
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 4: In some cases, the teachers or people are being threatened

639
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,159
if they want to even tell you, like even right.

640
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: And again in not all but many states, if you

641
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
do find out and you object, they can take your

642
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:47,159
kids away. So is an incredibly sinister system. And I'll

643
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,360
throw it back to you. Are but just one more anecdote.

644
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360
My my wife is married to me, so you know,

645
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,519
her politics are some of what you'd expect, and she

646
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,519
was horrified, like genuinely horrified by the fact that, you know,

647
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,199
many of her coworkers we're celebrating, you know, like, oh,

648
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Billie's dosage got doubled, and the kid's a catatonic zombie.

649
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,079
But at least he's not acting crazy and do his

650
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:13,400
parents know? Probably not. And he's getting dosed at school

651
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,800
every morning. He's literally having his brain cooked by legalized

652
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,639
crystal meth. It's incredibly sinister.

653
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:27,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm increasingly sure. And look, look I'm sympathetic. I

654
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,960
know a lot of people are working two three jobs,

655
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,760
both parents, just to stay above water.

656
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,119
Speaker 1: Right now.

657
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:35,639
Speaker 4: I know cost of living is is terrible. So you know,

658
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,639
when I say this, please understand this is not an

659
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,480
individual judgment on people's situations.

660
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: But I am.

661
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: Increasingly of the persuasion that if you're leaving your child

662
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,880
in public school at this point, you're just co signing

663
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,920
child abuse. But I've been in these exact discussions you're

664
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:59,639
talking about where I've had, you know, other teachers talk

665
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,440
about the fact that they have boys in their classroom

666
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,760
and that's a problem, like, oh, they're almost half my

667
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,400
classes boys. I need to fix that because boys are

668
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,239
the problem because the way we teach is incredibly feminine,

669
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,480
and we don't know how to deal with boys, and so,

670
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:21,360
you know, just their presence is derided by the teachers themselves.

671
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,440
If they are in your room, then they need to

672
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,199
be heavily medicated. I too, have literally seen multiple teachers

673
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,199
excited when a child comes back with a new diagnosis

674
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,400
or a higher amount of a drug that they're on,

675
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,320
because now they'll just shut up and sit down, and

676
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,840
they won't bother, you know, the teacher anymore. These are

677
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,440
all very common practices. And again this all leads us

678
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,800
back to the chromebook and everything else. You know, it's

679
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,719
there's a weird dichotomy when I was teaching, because at

680
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,679
some level, I of course didn't like bad behavior. I

681
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,119
didn't like students who were misbehaving or not paying attention

682
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,480
and not learning of those kind of things. But in

683
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:06,440
another way, the oftentimes the students that were the most

684
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,760
unwilling to kind of go with the system, unwilling, you know,

685
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,400
we're disobeying and behaving poorly, were the ones that were

686
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,960
least likely to buy into the radical leftist politics. They

687
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,599
were less likely to be brainwashed. And so it was

688
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,280
somewhat of a relief to, you know, see a child

689
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,679
behave poorly, because at least they weren't, you know, at

690
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,639
least they still had some independence, at least they weren't

691
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,559
completely molded by the system at that point. At least

692
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:36,960
they were rejecting part of, you know, what they were

693
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,920
being told. And so it really is just increasingly a

694
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,639
bunch of people who really hate your children and want

695
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:50,960
to destroy them being given complete control over those children.

696
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,480
And I want to say there are good teachers, okay,

697
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,639
like that. I've seen people who go out there and

698
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,360
they bleed every day, you know, to try to help

699
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,159
a child. They truly care. So I'm not saying they're

700
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,599
not good teachers. I'm not saying that every teacher is

701
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,000
a disaster. I mean, your wife's a teacher. I'm sure

702
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,000
she cares about her children. You know, he is trying

703
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,280
to do a good job in the system, but just

704
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,800
increasingly the entire system is a complete disaster from head

705
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,440
to toe. Again, I worked in a school where multiple

706
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,320
teachers were assaulted or put in the hospital by students.

707
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,880
And there was one guy sitting in our mailroom for

708
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,480
six months because he tried to break up a fight

709
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,760
in his classroom and one of the students slipped and

710
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480
hurt himself while he was being pushed away from the

711
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,119
student he was attacking. And basically that they couldn't fire

712
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,320
the teacher, but he wasn't allowed back in the classroom

713
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,159
for breaking up a fight. So that, you know, that's

714
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,360
kind of where you're at when it comes to actual

715
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,960
classroom management. Even if there's a complete you know, like

716
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,960
violent sociopath trained to beat your child the teacher cannot

717
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,280
involve themselves. They cannot get between them because they will

718
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,760
either themselves get hurt or if they actually successfully stop

719
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,760
the fight, they could lose their job, they could go

720
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,719
to jail. These are all very real possibilities. And so

721
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,880
I know we're a little far to feel from the

722
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000
technology point at this point, but it really is a

723
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:26,119
scenario where basically you're just putting your kids there literally

724
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,800
so they stop bothering you while you're working. And you know,

725
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,679
I had to work very hard to get a lot

726
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,800
of the technology stuff out of my classroom. I kind

727
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,519
of successfully did that right kind of before the pandemic.

728
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,280
I finally got okay, well, chromebooks only for the standardized

729
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,000
tests only when we absolutely have to have them. Otherwise

730
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,800
they're completely shut out of my classroom. And then the

731
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,599
pandemic hit and everything had to be back on chromebooks

732
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,400
again obviously because he had to do all their work

733
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,079
remote and when the kids came back from that, nothing

734
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,280
was allowed to change. Everything had to say say on

735
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,639
there forever. So now your kids really can't escape this,

736
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Like they really can't learn. It's illegal basically for them

737
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,119
to like learn in a jradial manner in the classroom.

738
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: Well, and one of the other the other things is

739
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:20,320
that the the weaponized allegation right where. And it's somewhat

740
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,039
understandable that schools are hyper sensitive to allegations of abuse.

741
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,320
But basically what this has created is a massive exploit

742
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,960
where quite simply, children can just claim that they were touched,

743
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,480
that they were struck by teachers they don't like, which

744
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,400
tend to be the student or the teachers rather that

745
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,719
restrict access to technology that are particularly interested in taking

746
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,599
away phones. And so you know, I can think of

747
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,920
a music teacher that you know, I know, and he

748
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,440
was under investigation for like six weeks. Couldn't work because

749
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,880
you know, some kid said he picked him up and

750
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,679
threw him during class. Is that a credible allegation? No

751
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,400
one else saw this happen, There's a camera in the room.

752
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,559
It's not clearly right, the kid was unmarked, no one

753
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:11,480
else could corroborate it. But simply because that had been

754
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,679
you know, put forward, well not only does that kid

755
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,320
basically get revenge on that teacher, but also every other

756
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,679
kid is like, oh wait, I can just pull this ripcord.

757
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,159
Now I can just put this person, you know, an

758
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:28,440
incredibly uncomfortable situation. Uh, with little to no backup for it.

759
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,440
It is a extremely perverse incentive, and you see that

760
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:33,760
weaponized constantly.

761
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's Yeah, the the better you are

762
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,360
as a teacher, the more vulnerable you are too. Exactly

763
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,840
the type of allegations you're talking about. Students, don't they

764
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,079
want you to rest to the mean, they want you

765
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,880
to just do what everyone else is doing. And so

766
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,280
if you're a teacher who is restricting their access to

767
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,639
that stuff, yeah, they're they're going to take advantage of that.

768
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,320
But ultimately, I just I don't know, man, It's it's

769
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,440
so insane that, you know, I got to the point

770
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:11,440
where there are principles were just going around and threatening

771
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,320
to fire teachers who would not doctor grades and just

772
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,559
pass everybody. And again, this is not hidden. This was

773
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,320
not some you know, policy that they needed to sweep

774
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,239
under the rug or you know, hush hush, heavily implied. No,

775
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,760
they would just tell you directly, like, too many of

776
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,119
your students are failing, you must bring their grade up

777
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,880
the end, you know, too many of your students, especially

778
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,199
if there if they're English is the second language students,

779
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,519
they pass no matter what, it doesn't matter if they

780
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,519
didn't learn a single thing. If they didn't because there's

781
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:44,360
always some little technicality that you did not complete in

782
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,239
an IEP form or did not provide a classroom. And

783
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,280
if you don't do what the administration tells you to do,

784
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,119
they're just going to use that to leverage you out

785
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:55,719
of there. And so anyone of quality teaching realizes they

786
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,719
immediately need to get out of there, Like there's just

787
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,360
if you have any if you have any morals, if

788
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,199
you have any sensibility, if you have any capability, then

789
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,039
you're getting out of there. So the only people left

790
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,320
in a classroom at this point are people who are

791
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,840
dumb or evil or lazy, like that's all that's left

792
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,920
in many of these places. Again, there are good teachers,

793
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,599
but this is just increasingly the case. These are the

794
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,920
incentive structures that exist. You know, if you are still teaching,

795
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:26,519
especially at you know, some of the worst schools, it's

796
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,000
because you failed, you know, And that's that's how the

797
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,559
teacher you know, that's how the teacher allocation works. You

798
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,159
put the worst teachers in the worst school, right so

799
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,480
so so it's just all feeding into each other. You know,

800
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,880
these people in many cases don't want to go to

801
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,719
another school, not because the students aren't great, but because

802
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,480
the teachers there just they have zero scrutiny. Nothing's ever

803
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,599
going to happen to them. They can you know, sit

804
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,000
around all day, do nothing, walk out the door, and

805
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:51,559
no one's ever going to care. The parents are going

806
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,599
to care, administrates aren't gonna care as long as the

807
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,400
great book lines up and the you know, you didn't

808
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,360
write too many disciplarity referrals or something, and you know

809
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,480
that's it, like that's all that matters. And so it's

810
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:06,360
just this is the spiral of you know that everything

811
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,239
pushes back against a good teacher. You know, there's just

812
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:15,639
zero incentive for anyone who cares about kids, cares about education,

813
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,559
has some level of integrity or intelligence for them to

814
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,360
stay at the very least in schools that need them,

815
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,880
and in many cases in the educational system at all.

816
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean to that point, like there's a reason

817
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,159
that the burnout is so high, And yeah, sure is

818
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,039
some of it. You know, irritating people who have you know,

819
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,599
no capacity to work a job one hundred percent. I'm

820
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:41,039
sure you saw those where someone calls out sick ten

821
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,360
times in their first quarter. Okay, sure, right, that happens.

822
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,760
But I mean that's a big part of the reason

823
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,880
my wife no longer works in the public school system.

824
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,280
Everything you have mentioned one of the other things that's

825
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,039
particularly inious, insidious, insidious, excuse me. And this relates to

826
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,519
the conversations about both you know, like the IEPSE, the

827
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,679
kind of certain you know programs for people who have

828
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,639
you know, disabilities. If you are in a special category,

829
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,199
there is a quota to how much trouble you were

830
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:15,239
allowed to get into. You can't have a disproportionate number

831
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,360
of your discipline going to X, y Z type of student,

832
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,039
and so this creates a huge double standard where if

833
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,679
you are in a group that doesn't habitually cause trouble,

834
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,480
you will be crucified for something minor, largely just to

835
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:33,840
get the spreadsheet to balance. And if you are a

836
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,000
part of a protected group, you're basically bulletproof. Things that

837
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:41,360
would get criminal charges brought up against a you know,

838
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,880
a person of a different demographic background roll off your back,

839
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,760
and you can be pushed through school at a you know,

840
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,119
at an absolutely absurd rate because again, nobody wants to

841
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,159
keep you around. That's effectively the attitude of, well, let's

842
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,159
just shuffle this problem on to someone else, And so

843
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,719
very often you have these, you know, late teenagers who

844
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,679
are borderline illiterate, have what is effectively a criminal record,

845
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,440
or really should have one, kind of in school with

846
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,039
normal everyday kids, and the kind of violence that you're

847
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,800
talking about is a direct consequence of that. Even if

848
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,760
they do get sent to you know, some sort of remediation,

849
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,199
you know, some sort of juvenile hall, what they do is,

850
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,400
and this is deliberate, is because there's a whole bunch

851
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,199
of gamesmanship with where they send bad students, because the

852
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,119
idea is, once you're clearing a bar of passing or

853
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:40,199
you have your accreditation, there's no benefit for being better

854
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,320
than that, but there's a huge penalty for being below it.

855
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:46,559
So what they'll do is they'll basically send kids who

856
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,559
are coming out of juvenile hall, who are coming out

857
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:55,320
of remediation, and put them into good suburban schools because

858
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,400
that school can of absorb the low test scores, the

859
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,719
low results, and that school can't necessarily afford to kick

860
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,719
them out or actually punish them. And so basically you

861
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,400
have like these kids from Gladiator School being dumped in

862
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,760
with like the children of doctors and engineers, and it's

863
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,840
a free for all, and as you've said, teachers literally

864
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,519
cannot do anything about it.

865
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 4: So as I said, I taught at a majority minorities

866
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,280
school and we had insane discipline problems. As I said,

867
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,199
you know multiple scenarios where teachers were knocked out, you

868
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,199
know that kind of thing, And we were not allowed

869
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,480
to suspend students. And the reason you're not allowed to

870
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,840
spend students is they're black and brown. They were eighty

871
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,480
percent black or hispanic in that school. And they say

872
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,400
you're suspending too many minority students, Like, well, that's everyone

873
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,480
in the school, so if we suspend anyone, they will

874
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,000
be a minority. They're like, yeah, but you're disciplined. The

875
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,280
number of students you are suspending is so high that

876
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,320
you're hitting the weighted average for a black and brown

877
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,920
suspensions for the rest of the district. Like that's how

878
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,440
bad your discipline problem is. So basically we just created

879
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,000
and I'm sure you've heard of this before, we created

880
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:23,639
the we use a failed prison system for discipline. I'm

881
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:25,519
trying to remember the name of it has suddenly escaped

882
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,880
my mind, but it's basically rather than discipline the child

883
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,599
in any traditional sense, you have them talk it out

884
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,920
with the peer counseling and these kind of things. And

885
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,880
the idea is if you confront the student, you know,

886
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:42,920
they hear the harm they've done to someone else, then

887
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,760
they'll just stop it and you don't need to suspend

888
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,840
them or anything. Of course, none of this happens. In fact,

889
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,840
most of the time, the student just ends up intimidating

890
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,400
whoever they were bullying or harassing or assaulting in the

891
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,320
first place into saying that yes, they've worked it out,

892
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,280
and they go by right back in the class room

893
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,119
and start doing it all again. And this is the

894
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:07,880
official structure of the disciplinary system. And so the you know,

895
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,599
the funny thing is that because it's basically impossible to

896
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,000
have any discipline in the school, obviously, like the permission

897
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,480
just gets more and more aggressive. So, as I said,

898
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,199
we had multiple prison style riot fights and they were

899
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,320
captured on cell phones because they wouldn't ban the stupid

900
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,280
cell phones in the school. They finally banned the cell phones,

901
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,360
not because they were distracting children in class, not because

902
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,880
they were making impossible free for teachers to teach, not

903
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,199
because students, but because they were capturing too much of

904
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,039
the bad stuff that was happening at school, and it

905
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:44,280
was making it to the news. They also allowed for

906
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,239
about five or six months first to actually suspend students

907
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,199
after the third prison riot, and guess what behavior was great.

908
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,079
All of a sudden, we could actually teach in classrooms.

909
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,760
Things were getting done, you know, we would didn't feel

910
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,360
like you're war zone all the time. The discipline worked,

911
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:06,199
but the numbers went up in the district, and so

912
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,360
slowly they rolled back to the oh, no too many,

913
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,159
maybe we should stop doing no too many, And eventually

914
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,440
we went right back to where we were. So we

915
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,119
know what works, we know how to make it work,

916
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:20,960
but we are intentionally not doing it for metrics and optics, right,

917
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,039
And it got so bad that the principle, and I

918
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:26,440
promise you this is like the most leftist woman in

919
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,159
the world. Okay, she is everything you think a female

920
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,960
public school principle is going to be. She has every

921
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,039
woke opinion you can imagine. But even she would just admit, like,

922
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,559
we cannot increase our scores or discipline with the current demographic,

923
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,639
by which you mean we have too many black and

924
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,159
brown kids in the school, and they're not gonna learn

925
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:51,760
stuff and they can't be disciplined. So her plan was

926
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,360
to turn the school into a magnet school to literally

927
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,920
gentrify the school. We'll bust in a bunch of white

928
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,000
kids and Asian kids. They'll drive up our store, our

929
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:06,039
scores and the other You know, our current students will

930
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:07,360
have to go to the other schools in the area.

931
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,920
That's how we solve our problem. We don't get better

932
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,400
at this, we don't change our policies. We literally changed

933
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,960
the population of the school. That that's how we fix it. Again,

934
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,440
this is the she would call you a racist in

935
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,880
a second, but she knows when it comes to her

936
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,079
actual job, she knows the truth right, And this is

937
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,039
a common tactic. I remember I was one of the

938
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,320
gifted kids in middle school, right, and so I went

939
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,079
to a gifted middle school in my area. They had

940
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:40,679
dropped the gifted program into the worst ghetto school in

941
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,440
the entire school district, and so we were like cordoned

942
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,360
off in a separate area. Now, my mom did not

943
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:50,480
understand this, so she also sent my sister, who was

944
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,480
not in the gifted program, to the same school because

945
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:54,559
she's not going to drive to separate schools. She's just

946
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:58,039
gonna drop her both her kids off at the same school. Well,

947
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,559
my sister was in gin Pop, you know, basically while

948
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,320
I was. While I was you know, it cloistered away

949
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,440
in the gifted area, and so it was like watching

950
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,519
her run through like this battlefield every day with the fights.

951
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,960
I was fine, I was, you know, my two hallways

952
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,599
were perfectly safe, everything was great, but the rest of

953
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,400
the school was a complete war zone. But it adjusted

954
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,079
the demographic dials, it changed the you know, the different statistics.

955
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,320
So that's what you did.

956
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:26,559
Speaker 3: Well, and it's it's funny you bring it up because

957
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:30,239
in my district it's the exact same thing. The worst

958
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,519
elementary school in town, the fourth floor at the top

959
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,920
of the building is the gifted program. Literally just kind

960
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,400
of like they have the doors blocked off. But I

961
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,400
mean on the high school level, right the Governor's school,

962
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:46,039
right the area, the place you really want to send

963
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,880
your kids for that great education, and you know the

964
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:52,760
arts are in stem, it's the exact same dynamic. And

965
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:54,159
the kid got stabbed there.

966
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 4: He died.

967
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,519
Speaker 3: And it's because again it is one third this perfect

968
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:03,400
public scho and two thirds a prison. Is basically why

969
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,960
it exists, and this is maybe a discussion for another time,

970
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:14,119
but it's led to me being so incredibly skeptical of

971
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,079
the kind of liberal idea of an education where you

972
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:21,719
can fundamentally change someone with, you know, by sending them

973
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,559
to the right type of school, because and look, I

974
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,480
have not directly worked in education. I have you know

975
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:33,639
family members who have. And the thing I've come away

976
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:37,800
with is basically, we all kind of know which students

977
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,360
are going to perform and which ones aren't, and all

978
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,400
we're doing is trying to balance that precarious system as

979
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,159
best we can. Because actually, as you've said, restoring order,

980
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,719
giving a chance for those kids who are in should

981
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,679
we say, underprivileged populations but do have a chance, would

982
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,920
require things we can't countenance. Would require being mean, would

983
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,159
require maybe making someone cry, and that going into social media,

984
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,800
and that is simply unacceptable. And so this system will

985
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,599
continue to degrade effectively forever because one of the things

986
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,840
that and I'll bring up my grandfather again that he

987
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,199
said that I thought was particularly incisive is he was

988
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,480
echoing points that you made that effectively we know how

989
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:26,199
to teach this is a solved bit of technology, but

990
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,360
effectively that doesn't work for the career advancement of school

991
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,880
administrators in the same way that being in charge of

992
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,480
a failing school or having you know, inconvenient you know,

993
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,960
demographic punishment data come out doesn't work for them. And so,

994
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,719
just like in the corporate world, the incentive is to

995
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,679
try something novel, right, introduce that you can use your

996
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,360
doctoral thesis or whatever implement that cook the books so

997
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,760
it looks like this was a great success, and then

998
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,159
go onward and upwards two years later into a role

999
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:02,199
where you were never at actually held responsible for what

1000
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,719
a mess you have made. And if he is telling

1001
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,440
me about that issue fifty years ago, I am seeing

1002
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:15,199
it firsthand now in current year. At a certain point,

1003
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,880
unless some change is made, this trend will continue forever. Effectively,

1004
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,199
it requires the will to actually fix it.

1005
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is just creating a bifurcated society. You

1006
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:34,760
know that you have the Brazili brazilianification of education, where

1007
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,559
the people who can afford it, you know, move their

1008
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:42,199
kids behind gated walls and private tutors or you know,

1009
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,639
homeschool or those kind of things, and the average person

1010
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:49,239
who's got to work, you know, two jobs and their

1011
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,119
spouse has to work a job just to you know,

1012
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,320
pay for an apartment or something. You know, their their

1013
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,239
kid is going to just go to these war zones.

1014
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,239
And that was the in theory, the idea of the

1015
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,119
public education was that you kind of leveled the playing field.

1016
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,840
Everybody got the same opportunity, everyone had this shared experience.

1017
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,039
By ensuring that kind of everyone went through the same process.

1018
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,519
You you know, some people were going to succeed, some

1019
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,480
people are going to fail, but you gave people kind

1020
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:20,800
of a similar starting place. You know that they could

1021
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,320
escape some of the lows of their socioeconomic class, and

1022
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,000
maybe you'd shave some of the high end off of

1023
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,559
the kids that went there, and you'd kind of create

1024
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:35,239
this leveling experience. And now you have radically the other direction,

1025
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,440
where like the only people again who are going to

1026
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,679
in ten years, the only people leaving their children in

1027
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:43,760
public school will be those who absolutely you know, hate

1028
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,400
their children, are entirely indifferent, or have been dropped entirely

1029
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,159
out of the economic system and have no other option

1030
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,599
but with their kid there. And all of this creates

1031
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:57,280
downward pressure. So you know, we've talked in our circles

1032
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,199
endlessly about the population decline, and young people needing to

1033
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:05,000
start families. Well, the number one cost in any urban

1034
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,599
area for a child is education, because you can't send

1035
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,679
them to public school. They're like, they're a disaster. You

1036
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,800
can't live in a major city and send your child

1037
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,880
to a public school, they're going to get sacked and

1038
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:16,559
so or you have.

1039
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:19,719
Speaker 3: To move to an extremely exclusive zip code, in which

1040
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,840
case your housing expense is basically an education expense exactly.

1041
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 4: And so what we what we're doing is creating the

1042
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:32,360
scenario where I lost my momentum there.

1043
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,679
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh sorry, you were talking about this brasilification and bifurcation.

1044
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:40,599
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, So we're creating this scenario where there's

1045
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:44,079
just no way that a parent can or someone can

1046
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,199
build a family and have multiple children because the investment

1047
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,199
in education is just too high. You can't have eight

1048
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,199
kids when you're spending fifty grand a kid to send

1049
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:56,159
them to a school. You can have three kids when

1050
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,320
you're spending fifty grand a year a piece to send

1051
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,320
them to a school. Like that insane, But that is

1052
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,599
increasingly the options we're leaving young people. And so if

1053
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,440
we don't figure out a way to solve this problem,

1054
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,199
you're the only people who are gonna have children are

1055
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:13,519
the extremely rich and the extremely poor, which is kind

1056
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,199
of already what we're seeing, right, And so you know,

1057
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,199
the education problem isn't just a problem now for students

1058
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,440
now or children now. It's literally going to it's depressing

1059
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:28,960
our birth rates and making impossible for people have future

1060
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,000
generations of Americans. So this is a problem that is

1061
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:35,880
just it hits every aspect of our society. Uh, and

1062
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,119
it's only going to get worse again as these public

1063
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:44,920
schools become more dangerous and less capable of educating anyone.

1064
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,880
You know, students who are already losing out because of

1065
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:50,920
the pandemic and that gap and their education and everything

1066
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,840
else on top of that are you know, whatever education

1067
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,760
they can receive is of disastrous quality. It's increasingly the

1068
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,159
same level education that got when they were sitting home

1069
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:02,440
in front of the chromebook, because they are effectively sitting

1070
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,559
at home at the chromebook at the school. It's the

1071
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,360
same method of teaching either way. We've seen the disastrous

1072
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,840
results when it came out of the pandemic. We're going

1073
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,000
to keep seeing them roll out in post pandemic education.

1074
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,559
People are not ready for this. They don't realize that

1075
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,920
at least a generation of Americans has just been socially

1076
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,239
promoted through all of their classes and has literally no

1077
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,679
competence in what they are doing. They can't read, they

1078
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:29,960
can't write, none of it. And this is going to

1079
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,679
be a massive problem, especially if you start automating away

1080
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,559
all these you know, entry and mid level jobs with

1081
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,360
AI like there's just they're going to be generations with

1082
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:44,920
just no sellable skills besides maybe like raw physical labor.

1083
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,559
Speaker 3: At this point, Darren, I realize that we're about at time,

1084
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,440
but I'm going to ask you a seeming non sequitur.

1085
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,440
I have a point here, I promise, Arran. Do you

1086
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,440
have your high school diploma displayed in your house?

1087
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: No?

1088
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,679
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't either. I don't actually know where

1089
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:08,519
it is. The only person I know who does is

1090
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,960
my grandparents. Different set. They're luckily all still alive because

1091
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:17,719
they grew up in an era when getting a high

1092
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:21,199
school diploma was a difficult thing to do. It was

1093
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,880
a small majority of people who's like fifty five to

1094
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,599
sixty percent got all the way through, but it was

1095
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:31,480
a filter mechanism, and neither one of them pursued any

1096
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:35,599
sort of you know, educational career past that, but it's

1097
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:39,880
remarkable how well educated they are. You see this with

1098
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,760
with penmanship and writing. You know, I'm a professional writer.

1099
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,039
So my grandfather if he has to do you know,

1100
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,199
a reading or something prepared for his you know, church

1101
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,920
Bible study or whatever, he'll send it to me. And

1102
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:55,480
I'm always incredibly impressed by how good of a writer

1103
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:57,880
he is for a guy who hasn't been in a

1104
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,760
classroom since like nineteen sixty six plus or minus. Right,

1105
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,360
because there were incredibly high standards relatively speaking, for even

1106
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:09,920
a blue collar guy in a blue collar high school

1107
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,280
in rural Virginia. Right, we understood that in order for

1108
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,639
something to mean something, it had to be to a

1109
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:21,159
certain degree exclusive. And as education, both higher education and

1110
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:24,480
also simply high school has become less and less exclusive

1111
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:27,199
now to the point where many people graduating aren't even

1112
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,320
just Americans. Setting aside the level of performance, Well, the

1113
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,679
standards have gone down with it, and we've explained why

1114
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,519
for any number of reasons. But to me, that's one

1115
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,440
of those things that it just kind of proves it

1116
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,599
to me that like, no, this is possible, we learned

1117
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:44,840
how to do this. This isn't some sort of impossible

1118
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,760
houcion goal. It's something that's beyond human capacity. But we

1119
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,360
can't do it like this simply a non tenable system.

1120
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,440
Arn this has been a ton of fun. Man, I

1121
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,920
appreciate you coming on my show. Where can people find you?

1122
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,960
Where can they find your work?

1123
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: Sure?

1124
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 4: Thanks again for having me. I'm over at Blaze TV

1125
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,079
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1126
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1128
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,840
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1129
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,719
Speaker 3: I just want to say you're very good at Twitter.

1130
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,559
Your tweet from this morning we're recording on twenty six

1131
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1140
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1150
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,679
thanks so much, Ben, it was a ton of flyn.

1151
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 4: Thanks for having to everyone I know him.

1152
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 3: Keep your head up. I can't last forever. Good night,