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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sickos.

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Speaker 2: I am Dan Valley coming at you with the one

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the only portantnsen of the NBA podcast, fame of Job.

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Speaker 1: The sports, fame of Forbes, fame, and of course what

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he's most known for, multi fans, celebrity.

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Speaker 2: It is that time of the week where we have

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our crossover episode delayed a day because our schedules are

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all over the place, but it is still coming at you.

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We're about to talk about, as Brian Taporrek calls it,

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the Mickey Mouse March.

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Speaker 1: Ish sort of turnarounds in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: A lot of these teams they've turned things around like

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it's been longer than March, but some of them hashtag

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Phoenix Suns are only entering this podcast because of March.

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And we're just gonna discuss some things we noticed or

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things we thinking about, and ultimately just ask each other

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is this real? Do we buy into it or not?

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But before we get started, mort, how are you feeling

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about this exercise?

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Speaker 3: Well, because it's a Mickey Mouse March, and because all

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of this is so volatile, I don't feel good at all,

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Like you have to make so many on the spur

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like observations and things change on almost a nightly basis.

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So like I can guarantee you I will say something

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during this podcast that where I'll be theorizing something and

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you'll just say, no, actually that's not it, and I'll

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be like, okay, cool, because like it's moving fast. In

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the NBA right now is moving really fast. Everything is crazy.

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You have so many teams that are just kind of saying,

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screw it, we're not in it. We're just gonna play

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crazy ball, like we have. We have a term over

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here which is not necessarily polite in any way. It's

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it's something we called Indian ball, and it's it refers

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to you know, Native Americans, not Indian people where and

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it means just everything is fast paced. Everything is like

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balls to the wall. Things move quickly. And that's what

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we're seeing in the NBA right now. We're seeing a

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lot of fast paced offenses. We're seeing a lot of

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games that are like in the one forties. And I

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have no idea Dan, what's up and down. So I'm

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very insecure about this podcast, very glad you were doing this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm also I've seen a lot of sort of

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talk about you know, this is a separate conversation. We

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shoudn't even get into it, but how do you fix

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March basketball or post All Star break basketball in the NBA?

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And I've seen a lot of proposals that are kind

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of centered around or built around, excuse me, like the

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lottery stakes. And I thought John Hollinger recently made a

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very salient point in something he wrote over the Athletic,

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which was, let's just remove Let's say you just removed

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the lottery system from the equation, and there was just

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like some sort of different type of setup. What are

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the Wizards playing for at this point?

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Speaker 1: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: It's just like there's almost I don't know what the

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way would be to how do you make March basketball

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more meaningful in the NBA. If you're saying change the

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lottery rules to less incentivized tanking, I guess you're then

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banking on, oh, these teams will go hard from the

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jump more and that will in turn increase the value

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of the regular season. I honestly just think that you

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if you want to make games more meaningful longer into

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the season, you need to have fewer games. That's the

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only thing that I can come I haven't thought enough

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about it. It's just something that's ever. Since I saw

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what John Hollinger said a few days ago, I thought

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it was an interesting point because it does make as

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of right now, makes our jobs tougher because the first

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team we're gonna talk about, I will give you an

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exact example as to why it's so tough to evaluate

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what they're doing. So it's I don't have the answer,

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so I want to make that clear. But I think

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that some people make it too much of a binary case,

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where it's just if you got rid of the draft,

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or if you got if you change the lot like

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use the lottery wheel or something, or like have a

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tournament to determine who gets the number one pick, which

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would just never work because no, no, you're gonna have

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players fighting for like their team to replace them.

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Speaker 2: So I don't have the answer, but it is fascinating

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to think about that. A lot of it just comes

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back to will you need to de incentivized tanking. It's

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okay de incentivized tanking. If a team is bad, they're

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not gonna have any reason to risk healthy players, Like

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if you were the Wizards, this is just the perfect example.

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Why would you play Chris Middleton forty minutes in a

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game right now, Like, forget about your lottery odds. Why

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would you when you have nothing to pa You wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Would hurt his trade value if he gets injured.

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Speaker 2: So assuming he has any trade value left, that's my

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little spiel.

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Speaker 1: Are we ready to talk about our first team?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Hawks. More they are. They've had some stuff

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though as we record this they are eight and three

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with also a top five offense in March. You have

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on Yekakungu shooting well from three. That's from the start

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of February. Diceon Daniels shooting well from three since the

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start of February, but.

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Speaker 1: In this month.

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Speaker 2: But Zachary reached the shade by the way, is killing it.

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now and it wouldn't shock me if some people pick

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him for Rookie of the Year. I will say, these

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are the teams that they've beat as part of their

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eight wins. The shorthanded Pacers twice, the Sixers, the tanking

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Sixers twice, the whatever you want to call them Hornets

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twice and the Warriors without Steph. So those are just

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some of their victories there. What do you sort of

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make of what you like as maybe stood out about

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individuals on this team, whether it's Tyson Daniels or a

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Kunglu or Resa Che. I know some people are still

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concerned about Trey Young, like just still phenomenal passer, but

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it does feel like he's kind of lost a step

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and he's been dealing with He's not like an achilles

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injury basically all year, right, Yes, yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: And I actually want to highlight Trey because he's been

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more efficient in the month of March for example. You know,

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he was under forty percent from the field all throughout

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the year. He's cracked that he's come back up. I

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think he's taking smartest shots right now. I think he's

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still a phenomenal playmaker. We're looking at twenty six points

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eleven assists over the past ten games. Forty four percent

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from the field isn't great, but it's better than what

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we've seen all you know, all year long, hitting ninety

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four percent from the foul line, like he's been a

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pillar of efficiency. Yeah, the turnovers are still high, but

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it's Trey Young, Like, we can't expect him to fix

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everything in the span of ten games. So I do

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want to highlight that Trey Young, even with an injury,

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has been better and they needed him to. Like, if

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you told me that the Hawks would go on this

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mini run after Jalen Johnson went down with the season

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entering injury, I was I would have told you to,

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like nope, like you're crazy, They're right here. I find

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it amazing that they have like this depth that they

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little bit, which I think has gone pretty well. Kudos

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the offense. I think I could

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definitely buy and like with Trey Young's efficiency, we do

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at like what he's doing going downhill. But I also

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just sort of wonder how much of it if you're

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looking at his three point percentage where thirty sub thirty

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two percent still since February first, still sub thirty four

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percent in the month of month of March. Excuse me,

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you just don't have like the personnel, Like, even if

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you're playing well on the offense is fifth or whatever,

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there's not a ton of one secondary playmaking on this

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team Without Jalen Johnson. You basically have cars Lavert at

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this point. It helps a bunch that he's now hitting

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his threes kind of like he was in Cleveland for them,

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but you just don't have a ton of like teammate

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gravity on this roster, and so I think that that's

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probably might factor into some of his efficiency struggles as

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well as the injury. Still think he's a transcendent playmaker

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with this team, though I think I might be a

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little bit higher on Resche than I was a couple

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months back. Would is there any like long term or

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like looking into the playing of the postseason stuff that

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of the teams I've struggled with. Where again, when you're

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looking at March specifically, I just don't know how much

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stock you can place in what they're doing, even though

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I think the blueprint is there where. Okay, a team

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piloted by Trey Young, even without Jalen Johnson, if you

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Speaker 1: But kind of the.

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Speaker 2: Machinations by which they've gotten there is just I would

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have expected Trey Young to be going nuclear. Okay, eleven

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plus is sis, sure, but I would be thinking that

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he'd be shooting like sixty two thirty seven percent on

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threes or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I hate that you brought up ricochet and

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then ask me the question, what do you see like

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that that could be a staple, because now I feel

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like I'm piggybacking off your point. But it's risa schey. Look,

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he is this what six', nine six' ten multiple position

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defender who is Getting the he's getting a touch from

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the free, Point line like he's starting to get that.

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Touch going he's starting to understand he's got a. Size

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advantage still needs to see him more established on. THE glass,

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i think still needs to see him do some of

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the stuff that is going to round out. His game,

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but like, good lord he's nineteen, years old so like

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maybe maybe let's let him be nineteen, years old but

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what he's doing and how we're seeing him progress in

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the moment is something That the hawks can absolutely take

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into the play in or, the playoffs and especially in

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the long term future to have a guy like him

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who can just sort of play, the two, the three and.

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myself he's actually listed at. Six' eight. He feels longer though,

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Speaker 1: That's just me i'm gonna say he's six' nine from, Now,

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Speaker 3: Can, we just, Like yeah you know. I'm down with,

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that like he's nineteen he's. Gonna grow, As well it's

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he is a guy you can look at to be

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Speaker 2: And, beyond THE thing yeah and i would agree. With

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everything you said the fact that he's so plug in

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play on both ends of the. Floor is big time

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or maybe the ability to generate. More FREE throw opportunities

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ball gear IN him and now i think for the,

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setup of this team that's Fine Because, you have trey

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so not sure what to make of their defense, sort

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around trey young where it's like they want to surround him,

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with shooting and defense and they're trying to find that

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well above average on, that, IN the playoffs again i don't,

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know what that does but that really opens thing up

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for A Team that has jalen johnson who we know is,

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not the strongest shooter and so that WOULD just be

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something I kind of A kungoo specifically because i VIEW

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him as Just I feel like george niang. Might be

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a placeholder it certainly could be a trade candidate this

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summer if they're looking to make upgrades.

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Speaker 1: OR change things up i also don't view.

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Speaker 2: Him, as a playoff guy but that's something that becomes

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huge if they can get like somewhat reliable floor spacing

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out of that. Second front line spot it really Opens

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Things up for jalen johnson when.

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Speaker 1: He, Returns next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah i'm Very optimistic about. The hawks moving forward it's

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a shame they don't have, their own draft pick that

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they don't possess those and aren't, in control of those

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because it feels like they're at this point where they

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can really use like cheap assets who are potentially drafted

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somewhat high to really. Round out their. Roster that's, an

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negative That Said, with Research Shane place with jalen johnson

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sort of coming out of nowhere last year and continuing

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that trend showing he's not just, a one. Year, blip That's,

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Huge well KUNG wo I's. Like i love okungowa i've talked,

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him UP for years and i do think that now

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that him being able to get that three ball down,

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a little bit more that should allow him to also

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play the. Four IN some stretches because i don't think he's.

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A full time five i think he's a part time

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five who needs to be able to play four, minutes because,

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his rebounding. His defense his versatility if that could be

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flanked by Like a real Rim, runero was not clinkapella who's,

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younger AND more influential then i think they have the

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makings of a defense that could. Actually, MAKE some NOISE.

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Speaker 2: Yeah i don't i probably don't. Buy him as something

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it depends on who the five is in. That, SCENARIO

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for me otherwise i don't really view. Him as a

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four But so with the hall on a scale, of

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one to ten like how much do you buy into

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kind of, LIKE their recent surge i think IT makes me,

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higher i would say like A six or a i'm

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feeling like a lot, better ABOUT their future and i

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just don't know how much it means, in THE short

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TERM because i probably i would pick them to come out,

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of the plan anyway just when you kind of look

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at the candidates That like them in orlando just, seemed

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locks To it like maybe miami could make some noise

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and maybe feel a little. BIT better ABOUT that i

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just i don't think what they're doing right now makes

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me feel that much better about them.

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Speaker 3: In. The short term no so, in the short term

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is IT fair to saying, i don't really care because

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it's it's just not realistic to expect them, to make

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a run even if they do make, It into the

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postseason like it's.

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Speaker 1: Just you're Gonna lose to The, caps or the celtics like.

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Speaker 3: End of Story exactly so like i'm not even concerned

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about the, rest of the year like. Their postseason success

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whatnot it's not to write them off If that's not what,

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i'm trying to do But it's just like i'm not

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putting those level. Of, expectations on, Them so like you

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i'm gonna. Look beyond this year i'm looking. Ahead to

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next year i'm gonna give them a solid. Seven, and

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a half, Ooh look, At you.

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Speaker 1: I'll go i'll go i'll.

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Speaker 2: Go six point nine as a Reflection Of how tall.

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Zachary resichet actually, is, love.

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Speaker 3: It yep yep and there's definitely no other connotations we can.

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There with six,' nine.

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Speaker 2: Our next team the team which, you root, for the

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strongest the hardest to which, you Are Just. Most, loyal

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your chicago bulls more how? Are we feeling about they

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it looked like they would kind of pivot into sort

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of like some tanking, thing after, the trade deadline but no,

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like they're just look more they're not even probably gonna

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finish Like they're in contention for they've got a nice little,

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Hold on the nine seed like what if they work

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their way. Up to the eight seed we're not Talking

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about a, ten seed bulls, team here but for, them

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they're twelfth, in offense thirteenth in defense?

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Speaker 1: And they're what?

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Speaker 2: Are they eight and Three seven and, Three In march

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as well. Josh Gitty has hit three josh gitty's actually

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not hitting as, many threes as he was. But He's

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still hitting them kevin heurder not. Hitting as many of

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his but they've just gotten like these like monster performances from,

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a lot of you know kind of their reserve players

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or the players. That, you wouldn't Necessarily Expect yeah of,

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course Kobe White driving, SUCCESS but josh getty specifically i

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know you just recently recorded, With Friend of the Podcast

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Jason patt from the cash. Considerations podcast about, these bulls

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how you feeling how, you feel about This Team?

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Speaker 3: Feel?

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Speaker 1: About?

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Speaker 3: My, CHICAGO bulls apparently yeah yeah i, hate you by

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the way? That's, Oh dare you no look so this

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has been an active week for Me In regards to,

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the JOSH gitty uh, discourse because i you know seventy

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five percent of shots on the, year have been wide

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open like just, completely wide open, or sorry three point shots.

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Specifically his three point shots so you have, to ask

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yourself This Question do you trust josh gitty's three point

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percentage to be consistent throughout next year and the years

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beyond when right now it's virtually all wide, open because

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when they're contested his efficiency drops down into, the low

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to mid. Twenties which is, REALLY bad by the way

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i do think, he Has solved some things Like i'm

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not negative on giddy Just, To be negative ON giddy.

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THAT'S not how i operate i, do think his slashing games.

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STRIVING game has grown better i do think him just

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realizing he's six foot eight is a major ascid him

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getting to the line more is literally him having solved a.

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Problem that he Had Before so kudos to josh giddy for,

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having Done that the shooting and i'm guessing the bulls

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is going to evaluate him off. Of that in large

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part i'm just not ready to commit. To that, belief

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yet whatsoever like again when they're, wide open like they

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are and defenses are also kind, Of giving Him that

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shot i'm just. I'm not READY to commit i'm not

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I Want to talk about kobe white though the.

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Speaker 2: GATE not just to add i would. JUST shooting is

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certainly rickety i can buy into the idea that he

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will shoot like an above average clip from, three, a

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certain because teams look he could shoot forty five percent for.

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The life of the season teams are still going to

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leave him open because the volume.

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Speaker 1: Has never been super high he's under five. Per THIRTY

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six minutes Still but i think what, i'm more skeptical

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of is let's just say he continues to shoot really

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well from three for. The rest of his career that's.

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Speaker 2: That, adds value For sure yeah the reason i'm low,

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on him is just defensively like if he has to

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spend more time, guarding stationary threes and fours it becomes

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this limiting construct as you, go ABOUT building your team

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and I think that's actually sometimes i think we, lose,

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the plot where it's. Yeah get his shooting matters if

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he's going to continue to ebb and flow from three over, The, course.

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OF each, season yeah absolutely i mean if you look

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at his Efficiency For His career post All Star Break,

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versus pre all star break his true shooting Percentage Increases

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like from Pre All star to, post all star every

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year but like. Seven points that's freaking huge and look

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we have.

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Speaker 1: He was only In.

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Speaker 2: The, playoffs one with okay see he just didn't play

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as he was under twenty minutes a game that like.

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When HE was last year so i think. YOU'RE right

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To be skeptical i just i'm more skeptical about even,

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IF he's hitting his threes i still think there's a

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cap on his value because of the defensive restrictions that

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he kind.

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Speaker 1: Of. Foists, upon your lineups.

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Speaker 3: Right see now we're getting. Into the think OF things

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this is where i. Am also very very skeptical so

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let's wrap up the giddy thing Before We, move on

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To kobe white who, who i'm very, positive about by

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the Way. In terms of the giddy the Entire narrative

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right now amongst bulls, fans, is primarily dominated on oh

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is he good enough now to the point where? You

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can build around him he's not scalable or not bendable,

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is probably the better word into he doesn't. Bend defensive

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soft ball whatsoever like you have to tailor a very

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specific lineup around him where you close all of his

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weaknesses and kind of. HIGHLIGHT or emphasize his strength i

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sort Of compare The Situation, to zion, in new orleans

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who like, he's such a unique player he's. So difficult

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to build around But the talent Level with zion compared

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to giddy. Is like twenty Times better so like the

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bulls are right now considering building around a guy who

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might even like struggle to. Start on, most, Playoff teams

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that's fair right like Would he start? ON the celtics

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right now. I don't think he would Would He? START

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on the cleveland cavaliers, I don't think he would like

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there are a lot of, Teams he Wouldn't start on

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and the bulls, are considering building around him knowing full

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well all. These warts are in place they are setting

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themselves up for one hell of a task if they

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have to Tailor An, entire roster around, Josh, giddy, who

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remains unathletic like, yeah granted he's got smarts he's got

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court vision that makes up top. For a ton of

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it absolutely.

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Speaker 1: WHEN the floater CAN fall i could like i could buy. Into,

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him hitting, his, Floaters yeah all.

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Speaker 3: Right cool but why is the top what is? The,

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top tier potential there like what is the top Tier? Ceiling?

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In building around giddy again who just who can't? Be

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bendable in that way and the issue is if you

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had like, a real number one guy, like a superstar

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or sorts he's not a, number two, guy because again

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off ball, he doesn't have the gravity, he doesn't have

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the volatility he doesn't have all these elements that are

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so crucial to. Being a number, TWO guy so it's

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like I know a lot, of, Bulls, fans of like

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oh Mart It's just hating on. Josh, giddy, FOR no

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reason like no i think there are Genuine Concerns here

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about taking josh giddy in a vacuum and then sort

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of taking, that vacuum with those dats those inflated stats

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right now and putting him in as quote. UNQUOTE the

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new franchise leader i think that is like. Two THOUSAND

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breaches too far THAT'S i think it's just i can't

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get there with the ideology Of Trying, to BUILD around

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josh giddy and i don't see him functioning particularly well as.

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LIKE a secondary option whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with you i probably think it's a

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little Bit easier to build. AROUND zion than you Do

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i just think the pelicans haven't. Gone about it very

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properly MY whole Thing would be i guess i'm so

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DETACHED in the sense of i Haven't seen anything about

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the bulls viewing. HIM as like their cornerstone i. Think

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that's that's effing crazy if they view him as sort,

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of a cornerstone type player that, is that is beyond

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bonders and if there's insofar as they have a cornerstone,

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Player on this team already like the answer is the

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player that, you're about to talk About And that would

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be kobe white is?

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Speaker 1: The, BETTER candidate for that oh I.

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Speaker 3: Want to talk about? KOBE you? LIKE that segue I

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did i love that.

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Speaker 1: You're Very.

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Speaker 3: GOOD at seguays kobe white i just wrote a major

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Article about him over At, Yahoo will be out thursday

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so if, you're LISTENING to this podcast like i don't

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even know when, this is Going, to air but like thursday.

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It's going to be out he's averaging twenty nine point

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three points per game over the LAST good chunk of,

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game i actually don't remember like, it was a long article.

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A fair chunk of. Games he has been outstanding he

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started the year, off a little bit sluckiesh, ESPECIALLY from

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an efficiency standpoint i think he has morphed into becoming

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one of the, best, pluck and play guys sorry pluck AND,

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Play guards in the nba like he is one of

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those players who can consistently create on his Own as

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well as what giddy. Couldn't or he still can't ben

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defense is, As an off ball player like every single

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defensive line looks at him when. He doesn't have the

473
00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:37,359
ball they look at him, when he has the ball

474
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,279
like there always has to be an eye on him wherever.

475
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,119
He is on the Court Like, obviously he's not kevin

476
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,480
durant but he's got some, similar inklings in the guard

477
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,880
like in a guard variety of being able to influence

478
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,359
a basketball game without necessarily spending a lot. Of time

479
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,200
on the, dribble he, doesn't have to you know dribble

480
00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:59,200
twenty six times before. He gets a shot off, he

481
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,160
can move off ball, he can catch and shoot, he

482
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,640
can go pull up he can score in so. Many

483
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,359
different variety of ways he's also, adept at running an

484
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,799
offense even though. IT'S not his primary strength i think

485
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,759
this guy is bound for one hell of a pay,

486
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:20,240
race In twenty twenty six and i'm questioning if he's

487
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,519
gonna Decide, to stick with the bulls which is also

488
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:24,799
what the piece, is, going TO be About because as

489
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:29,920
i think i've also told, you on this podcast before

490
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,839
the one hundred and forty Percent extension limit will kick. Chicago's.

491
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:37,400
Ass on this one absolutely they can't. Afford to keep

492
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,319
him around and given that very few teams in the

493
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,200
league will, Have cap space this summer i'm pretty sure

494
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:46,759
Right now it's like, only, brooklyn that's a lock right

495
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,799
like an. Absolute, lock to cap space.

496
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah they're the only Lock, There's Other teams like detroit,

497
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,440
san antotio, maybe get.

498
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,759
Speaker 3: There but yeah they're right like so if there's a

499
00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,839
team out There, that wanted trade for kobe they almost

500
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,799
to have cap space so they can go to renegotiate

501
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,960
and extend route to not risk ending up in the

502
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,039
same situation as letting him go into unrestrictive free. Agency in,

503
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,319
twenty Twenty six so again the bulls. ACTUALLY did a.

504
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,720
GOOD job i think That, i actually think, the bulls

505
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:21,519
to their credit are getting unnecessarily slaughtered here because the.

506
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Lead the rule is dumb like they. Did A good,

507
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,000
job there the, bulls's task every team's task is to

508
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:32,680
get players, in at below market value because that's how you.

509
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:35,640
Optimize your own Cap Sheet, they did with kobe white

510
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,960
who's earning twelve million this year and will earn twelve.

511
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,279
Point eight million next year he is arguably the best non.

512
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,960
Rookie contract in the league arguably he's right. Up there

513
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,880
among the candidates so, they did a good job but

514
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,240
they're getting penalized in the sense they can't extend. HIM

515
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,319
to his full worth i do think these rules need

516
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,519
to have an overhaul because teams are going to lose.

517
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,759
Speaker 2: Players because of this rule that's something that's going to

518
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:02,400
need to be the essentials or something. THAT'LL have to

519
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,680
be revisited i would echo much of what you said

520
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,799
about him eighty six percentile in on ball on ball

521
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,000
gravity and ninety fifth, percentile of off ball. GRAVITY so

522
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,799
nice little balance I probably don't know that i trust

523
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,279
him to run in offense, as Much as you do

524
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:17,799
but i'm also, open, to the idea of well if you,

525
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:22,480
put better talent around him that that might open things

526
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:22,680
up a.

527
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: Little BIT more for him and i think that i'd

528
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,559
be curious.

529
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: To see like what he looks like with more like

530
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,880
a different type of the like center Look where it's

531
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,720
like the bulls don't really, have that in their prime

532
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,160
like more of a rim Runner Guy like you have

533
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,880
Jalen Smith, and you Have nikola vucevic so.

534
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,759
Speaker 1: That i'd, like to see but. YEAH he's gonna get paid.

535
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: I think he's been great i don't my in terms

536
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,279
of my read, on the bull, situation though over this

537
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,599
stretch when you look at the level, of competition that

538
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,799
they face like kudos to them for fighting and like

539
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,319
the level like what they're beating the, teams in front

540
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,640
of them and You're, Getting standout performances from vuch you've

541
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,039
gotten like some Just nice Moments from a dayal and

542
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,680
terry like, being able to you know unearth. Those Later

543
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,000
in the season trey jones has. Been pretty good for

544
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:07,400
them they've gotten Good Minutes. At times from zach Collins

545
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,519
We've even had like patrick golliams. AT a couple standout

546
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:13,319
performances i just don't THINK this functionally changes how i feel,

547
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:13,880
about them in.

548
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,079
Speaker 1: Any. Way shape or form.

549
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,039
Speaker 3: Nope, and and that's the issue. Right because here's the

550
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,079
thing they actively actively said they don't want, to go

551
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,839
through the draft they don't want, to build through the

552
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,279
draft they want. To be a middle team and Then

553
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,160
suddenly strike gold. And i'm not Sure How it's, the old,

554
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,599
south park mean, you know, steel underpat underpants question. Marks

555
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,839
zero point three profit that's. Basically the plans they're employing

556
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,079
AND it's it's difficult because i don't want to sit,

557
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,400
here and criticize their players because the players are doing what.

558
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,559
They're supposed, to be doing they're winning they're, playing at

559
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,400
a fast. PACE they're taking good shots I think, the

560
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,559
roster the chicago has or rather the Players individually, speaking

561
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,599
that the bulls have are very, appealing players in. Many

562
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,160
way shapes and forms but the overall project that they're

563
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,160
going about is just. The, mindset is all wrong like

564
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,839
how do you improve if you refuse. To build through

565
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,839
the draft you have major contractual elements coming up, both

566
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,880
this summer and next and you also Have Some. Debt

567
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,640
Weight with patrick, Williams like i've come around. I'm No

568
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,680
LONGER a believer i'm i'm i have Sold my Last.

569
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,720
Stake on pat will island love the guy like he

570
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,640
sounds like one Of the most sympathetic guys i've. Ever

571
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,920
seen or heard speak but, Like from, A player, Perspective i'm.

572
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,039
Out i'm out i'm out.

573
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't have given him, a player option last.

574
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,799
Speaker 3: SUMMER is what, you're, Saying i was actually look i'm

575
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:42,799
owning up SOME of that one because i thought that the.

576
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,079
DEAL was actually pretty decent i was one, of the

577
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,279
people who thought You know that not that, DeMar was

578
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:50,799
LIMITING his game because that i always thought that. Was

579
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:53,240
A little too, ridiculous but, i Did think you know with,

580
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:57,640
DeMar out of the picture not squeezing the ball, as

581
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,720
much as, he was not you know just milking the clock,

582
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,359
as much as he was that would free up. Had.

583
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,440
A little bit more so i actually thought. The CONTRACT

584
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,720
at face value, when i first, started, off it was,

585
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,960
like yeah that. Makes sense that's pretty good he's. GONNA be,

586
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,200
A lot better i yeah i'm just laying my, Ass Down.

587
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:16,160
FLAT and saying maya kolpa.

588
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it's an indictment on him or

589
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,160
the organization that, in a year where Okay you got

590
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,759
rid of demortrow's, AND over, The off season. I know

591
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,640
giddy Comes In then you trade zach lavine and just

592
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,720
like they have not, materially EXPANDED his, OFFENSIVE role and

593
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,000
i like i think that says all.

594
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: That, needs to be said. Uh.

595
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: They're our next team more this is more of a.

596
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,039
Season long feel good story there. There is no better

597
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,720
story You could talk about the, blazers as A comparable story,

598
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,359
but the pistons all year Even. After losing j andn ivy,

599
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,759
they are On here, though because since February One this

600
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,839
isn't even mickey mouse march, more top four, net rating sixth. On,

601
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,559
offense first On Defense uh they are like i've been

602
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,960
amazed at how well they've been doing over the past.

603
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,279
Speaker 1: Like two months or so just like this is a

604
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,319
team that's really focused.

605
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: On getting back, in transition they're missing shots like, They're

606
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,359
not sort of lagging they're. Making Sure they get back

607
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:14,839
molie Beasley On. An absolute heater kate cunningham everything that

608
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,160
we've talked about in the past still. Applies To what

609
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,440
He's doing fred katz the athletic did a nice little

610
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,480
peace or like blurb on like. HIS butting post up

611
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,960
game i think what's been big for him during this

612
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,839
stretch continuing to, show a lot on defense but just

613
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,680
like his role on offense is a little bit different

614
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:36,759
Ever Since they started using assar Thompson Differently. And brought

615
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,599
in dennis shrewder he's getting, Like these in game, breaks

616
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,240
fewer dribbles per, touch lower time of possession slightly more

617
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,359
of his. Baskets are COMING off assis the thing I

618
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,720
wanted to highlight before, i threw it To you the

619
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,279
Thing that i'm taking like I'm into, THE pistons to

620
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:51,759
whereas no i don't want to see him start trading

621
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:53,799
future first round picks all over the place and try and.

622
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,000
Get a, star in here this offseason they've, clearly BUILT

623
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,359
something in Place And i think that asar thompson during

624
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,240
this stretch has kind of reinforced that, if he's gonna

625
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,720
be healthy his efficiency from the perimeter is always gonna kind.

626
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:09,759
Of be what it is but like when you can

627
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,759
get him going downhill in transition or. Coming out of

628
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,880
a screen he's shooting sixty percent. From two during this

629
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,319
stretch that's up from. Fifty six point four percent, the

630
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,400
bigger thing for me, fifty nine percent on drives. Up

631
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160
from forty one percent and then he's averaging four point

632
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,599
five assists per thirty six versus two point eight Per thirty,

633
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,720
six from before february first and a couple of. The,

634
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,279
big differences for him yeah him, bringing the ball up.

635
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,839
More that's a big deal but also just like when

636
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,480
they can get, him the ball off movement so like

637
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:40,880
he's Gonna Take, a handoff from jalen duran you get

638
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,880
him going downhill, Or just live dribble whatever like he

639
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,440
makes really good reads against scrambling. Defenses in THE half

640
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,319
court and so i don't know if he's ever gonna

641
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,400
be the this type of guy that you want. To break down,

642
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400
a defense, if he is, my god it's just over

643
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,440
like THIS guy's gonna be like i don't like it'll

644
00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:59,440
that and the three point like that or the three

645
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,200
point shot. COMING along would be huge i think if

646
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,559
he was going to be also if he was going,

647
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:05,799
to BE eligible for it which i.

648
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,519
Speaker 1: Do not believe he will he would be an.

649
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,759
Speaker 2: All defense candidate for sure i've Been so encouraged that

650
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,480
what i've been Seeing with the way the pistons are

651
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,200
using him and, how he's executing on offense and if

652
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,240
they can continue to kind of prop, UP the spacing

653
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,599
around him i really think that there's. Going TO be

654
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,799
something there and i still view him personally as, the

655
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:24,960
second most important, player Like.

656
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,559
Speaker 1: In that building behind kid.

657
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,559
Speaker 3: There was a story during his Rookie season about how

658
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:35,599
the pistons were looking at his, jump shot as a

659
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,079
process that the process that would probably. Last a couple

660
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:42,359
of years like they're they're basically trying to break it

661
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,400
down step by step and like. Try to get things

662
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,359
right if he gets that primer shot and can, Just

663
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,000
use that as leverage i'm not even saying he, needs

664
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
to be high volume but like if he can just

665
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,240
take four or five triples per game at, like a

666
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,359
league average rate so he forces guys to come out and,

667
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,799
guard him from, over there, From out there oh man.

668
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Like he's. His first step it's Ridiculous like when he

669
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,640
gets you just mentioned The Driple. Handoff scenario with jalen

670
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,319
deurn do you see how much when as soon. As

671
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,759
he grabs the ball do you see like how quickly

672
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:21,559
He TAKES that first step and.

673
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,039
Speaker 1: I don't because it's too quick for. My eyes to get.

674
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: Right but he even. Has this presence of Mind he's

675
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,599
got like the luca de cel thing going as well

676
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,799
now where, not to the same extent but like he

677
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,400
will start off with this, power dripple throwing guys off

678
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,720
and then he'll just kind of stop. ON a, DIME

679
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,640
change direction i mean i don't know if he's, ever

680
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,759
going to be like, quote UNQUOTE an offensive. FORCE but

681
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,599
i just never i don't think he's ever going to

682
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,000
be like a negative minus because of, the way he

683
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,680
operates him because. Of how athletic he is he's Like the, One,

684
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,599
guy where i'm like okay even if the three point

685
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,960
shot is, not going, TO come around you know i,

686
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,599
might actually live with it like it would that make

687
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,960
things easier for him. And, The team at large yes

688
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,640
is it going to drastically, Limit, him as. A. PLAYER

689
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,640
well not really no i will give them, one POINT

690
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,720
of Criticism Though one i think jalen durant has become

691
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,119
a little bit of an afterthought. Just a little too

692
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,160
much i'm not saying. THEY have to feature him i

693
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,240
don't think they have to go like all pucasol on

694
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,160
in where he has to have fifteen post ups per game.

695
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,559
Or ANYTHING nonsense like that but i would like to

696
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,799
see him get a couple more dumb. UP passes near

697
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,920
the rim i want to see them try to set.

698
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,279
THEM up for more lobs i want to get, him

699
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,640
JUST slightly more involved because i think that would add

700
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,400
an interesting and very intriguing, offensive layer to their offense

701
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,400
especially now that they're not a. Strong, THREE point.

702
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,759
Speaker 1: SHOOTING team yeah i don't i don't Know How to.

703
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,160
FEEL about jalen duran still.

704
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,039
Speaker 2: I go back and, forth he's definitely been better and

705
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,880
his touches are actually slightly, up since the trade deadline

706
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,319
and some of the center floor decision making, for HIM

707
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,200
could be good. But i just DON'T know and like

708
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,000
he's i trust him more on THE perimeter defensively now.

709
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:07,880
Than i probably ever have but as, LIKE your base

710
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,800
room PROTECTOR i don't know how. I necessarily feel about

711
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,079
that i continue to be All Over, the PLACE about

712
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,360
jellen durham but I think that he is he's probably

713
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,440
MORE dynamic than he's like i, EVER would have, considered

714
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,159
him i get well at LEAST with the Exception Of

715
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,760
i was pretty jellen duran, pilled after his first year.

716
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,360
LIKE just the physical tools i don't they're gonna have

717
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360
a fascinating decision with, his extension like he is that

718
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,480
is going to. BE one, of the toughest, i think

719
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,159
like you know meaningful, PLAYER extension cases this summer.

720
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: I wonder he, even gets like an extension or he's

721
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,760
going to be a, RESTRICTED free agent next.

722
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: YEAR i, would, have To i Think like if i'm

723
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,679
the pistons and he wants more, than like twenty a,

724
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,559
year twenty three a year like whatever fifteen percent of

725
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:50,719
the salary, Cap is going.

726
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: TO be i'd probably have i.

727
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: Would just wait for restricted you could match it if he's,

728
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,280
gonna get the big offer because restricted free agency, has

729
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,119
been a dud lately and so if a team is

730
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,239
gonna give him an off, for sheet like a center

731
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,320
specifically a non spacing center that has, some defensive question

732
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,400
marks still then, something has gone, incredibly right Like next

733
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,159
year and so i'd.

734
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:11,159
Speaker 1: BE happy to match it.

735
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: I do think he's gotten better defensively though over. THE

736
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,840
course of this year i want. To give him that

737
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,760
credit how.

738
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,639
Speaker 2: Do you feel about him as, a base rim protector

739
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,039
though is this sort of a do you trust him

740
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,480
as more of like that perimeter big or do you

741
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,360
think that he's like a tried and.

742
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,519
Speaker 1: True, like back line.

743
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: Guy no so the, back LINE stuff not yet but

744
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,519
i haven't. Closed THE door on it like, i do

745
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:35,679
think for. Him it's about understanding timing it's about understanding

746
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,960
like when. To rotate over the, DEFENSE that the perimeter

747
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,639
stuff i Think, Is is sort of god i'm. Gonna

748
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,039
set myself Up here it's sort, of bam esque at

749
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,039
times not, In this in the, Like don't get me,

750
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,079
Wrong i'm not saying no, i'm DIE.

751
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,599
Speaker 1: If everyone watching because i, almost SAID the same thing but.

752
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,440
I refrain from doing it.

753
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: Nice, love IT all right well so i do think

754
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,920
he's got the instincts Out there similar to like bam

755
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960
is Quicker. ON his Feet like bam i think BAM's

756
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,480
what do, you call it Hip, mobility.

757
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: LIKE just the yeah there's i don't think. Anyone's, ever gonna, Match,

758
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,360
that yeah You're right like that's.

759
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: Obviously DURANT doesn't have that but i don't think he's

760
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,599
that far off to the point where you know, he's he's,

761
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,519
gonna suck. ON you know perimeter defense i don't think that's.

762
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:22,400
EVER gonna be a case i think he's. Super intriguing

763
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,800
on that, SIDE the back LINE defense i think is.

764
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:27,559
I think it's gonna come. I'm gonna be optimistic again

765
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,719
i'm gonna put on the optimism hat. And say it's, gonna,

766
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,239
come but like you yeah, like we're three years in we.

767
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,679
Haven't really seen it consistently there's. There's some doubts creeping

768
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,880
in i'm. NOT gonna say, there aren't.

769
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: I will say on a, Scale of, one to ten

770
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,480
i'm Like we're not. BUYING the pistons' championship favorites i

771
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,880
BUY kind, OF just like i mean i don't even

772
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,119
want To say, A ten because i'm well i'm a

773
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:54,840
little bit skeptical, In parts of, their offense like you

774
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,480
know they're not hitting their threes and they're still gonna

775
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,159
be in the top seven.

776
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: During the stretch and. OFFENSE this is A.

777
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: TEN i buy The piston i buy the pistons eleven

778
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,400
out of ten.

779
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:03,199
Speaker 1: Based off what.

780
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,159
Speaker 3: WE'VE seen that is fair i have a hard. Time

781
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:06,760
To Screen With.

782
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,079
Speaker 2: That the Golden State warriors very post jimmy butler esque

783
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,079
trade is what you? Want to isolate WITH them how Are,

784
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:15,519
you i took the pistons so how Are.

785
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,639
Speaker 1: You feeling about the, Dubs.

786
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,519
Speaker 3: I'm feeling, very good but you know we have to,

787
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,679
SET some rules to THIS i think because do i

788
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,280
feel GOOD About them? As an, nba CHAMPIONSHIP consenter maybe

789
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,039
not but i feel good about, them being, far more

790
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,400
competitive you know post trade. THAN prior to the trade

791
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,559
i think they've streamlined. THEIR offense A lot more i

792
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,320
love jimmy as. LIKE the secondary ball handler i think

793
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,880
he's giving Like he's sort of extending, draymond's role a

794
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,400
little bit And he's also probably extended draymond's window a little,

795
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,599
bit more as, a PLAYER which THANK god because i

796
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:53,199
can't i will gladly Wait around multiple years FOR draymond

797
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960
to hit the tv. Screen as our Next. Announcer so.

798
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,559
Keep playing draymond that's fine. Play until you're fifty. Five

799
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,199
THAT'S good for Me but i do think jimmy has

800
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,320
just sort of taking the load off everyone, else a

801
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320
little bit more and the fact that he can consistently get.

802
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,960
TO the free from LINE i think you and i talked,

803
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,119
about this at some point like the last warrior who

804
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,239
could do that To the, same extent was corny mcghetty

805
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,119
like a guy who could just consistently, get to the

806
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,960
foul line get teams and get them in the bonus and. Give,

807
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,639
Them This Advantage defensively Obviously swiss army knife for jimmy always.

808
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:32,239
BEEN spectacular in that end i believe them as a.

809
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,119
Team to watch moving forward in terms of this is

810
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,599
gonna Be a nice. WAY for steph to retire i

811
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,719
don't think. THERE'S another championship in it i don't think

812
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,519
They Will Ever Lift the. Larry briant championship trophy again

813
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:48,719
it is still named that we're. Renaming awards all The

814
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,079
Time It's Still, the, Lario brian championship trophy right. That's,

815
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,599
still the same one NO.

816
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,559
Speaker 1: That's actually that's what. MLB teams compete for more.

817
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,599
Speaker 3: I WANT to make, sure because i don't remember like the.

818
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,239
FULL of the new awards i just. Don't remember, all

819
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:03,880
the names but.

820
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: No It's still It's Still.

821
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,159
Speaker 2: A larry O'Brien championship trophy they, changed like an award's name,

822
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,480
like some of The awards but the, O'Brien trophy.

823
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:15,519
Speaker 3: IS great COOL so like i see i look at

824
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,599
them as a team that's gonna be far more fun to.

825
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,440
Watch because they already are they're gonna be. More competitive

826
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,880
than it before they're gonna have some series either, this

827
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,119
year or next year or they're Gonna put the fear.

828
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:31,800
Of god, INTO some team but Ultimately i do think

829
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,920
whatever cinderella's story they'll be on. Is gonna come crashing

830
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,840
down like at, Late is the.

831
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: SECOND round i'm way higher i would probably buy them

832
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960
AT about an eight because. I do have some questions

833
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,400
i think that there's part of their playoff run could end.

834
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,239
UP being very matchup dependent i think you could also

835
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,760
talk me into them being, the actual second best team

836
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,519
Most Threatening team in. The Western conference right now the

837
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,599
nuggets have that. Claim, to ME right now yeah but

838
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,000
i think, when You're looking at ceilings this warriors team.

839
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,320
HAS a case FOR no i would say i would

840
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,639
put them. Third right now, without hesitation it's just like

841
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,159
What's the third team, that i'm? Most, you know Fearing.

842
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,079
Behind okay like there's, okac NUMBER two.

843
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: Is debatable but i have denver still There with you. With.

844
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: A joki of course Uh and then, it's THE dubs,

845
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,599
for me and i think look you, mentioned the free

846
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,679
throw stuff and just, to, back that up there first

847
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,079
in free Throw attempt, rate since the butler trade. THEY

848
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,480
were twenty ninth beforehand I, think the bigger thing now

849
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,760
this matters more for the, regular season than the playoffs

850
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,880
but it. Still matters for the playoffs but there are

851
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,960
plus seventeen point Six per one Hundred, when butler plays

852
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,840
without curry and now we're talking about almost six hundred possessions.

853
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: Worth of that playing.

854
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,119
Speaker 2: Time that's a big deal and then, like the real

855
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,880
Thing here so, you're buying steph Longer breaks probably even

856
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,639
in game two when you're like he's been he was

857
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,079
playing out of his, mind before the pelvic injury and

858
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,320
then you could see. That he was Getting tired, but,

859
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,480
like the jimmy trade, yeah might have, reinvigorated him like

860
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,679
psychologically emotionally but like it also just made his job

861
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,280
a little bit easier both when he's. ON and off

862
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,960
the court i ACTUALLY think my bigger. Question i, am

863
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,199
worried about you know if you Get, Into the minutia of,

864
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,000
okay quinton post excellent story clearly the most, important player

865
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,639
in That, Building shout outs grand hughes but can. HE

866
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,239
play in the playoffs i think their best lineups were always,

867
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,519
going to be this way but they're gonna have to

868
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:26,239
lean on going smaller. Even more come postseason time and

869
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,440
so that's Maybe You can sprinkle, more CAVON looney in,

870
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,199
there but, I Could see you know quinton post has

871
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,400
been very important to opening up the floor when you

872
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,639
have two. NON shooters on the court i don't know

873
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,400
if that sticks, when you're in the playoffs? Like can

874
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,760
you play, him and if you can we're already. Seeing

875
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,440
that the cominga minutes the first two games, felt like

876
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,599
They were okay AND everything i've seen since. I just

877
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,480
haven't really loved they're a minus eight point Four per

878
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,280
one Hundred, When cominga plays with jimmy and again even,

879
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,360
just looking at like okay you look at the limitations

880
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
on coming to shooting sub fifteen percent from three, or

881
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,559
whatever since his return but he's also shooting forty two

882
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,360
point four. Percent on his paint touches that's down from.

883
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,760
Fifty seven point seven percent and Just, the game.

884
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: Against, the hawks mort. No steph he didn't close and

885
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:15,679
so it's.

886
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: Just like this is weird i'm not saying, it will

887
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,159
Become a distraction but Like kminga's kind of an he's

888
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,920
just an, important cog in this. Machine for better or

889
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,719
worse AND so, that's a question I have which is

890
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,559
why i'd be, a little bit more hesitant, just because

891
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,840
they are smaller, and, so you would think like if

892
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,880
you're gonna, have cominga on the court one is the?

893
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,079
Offense gonna Have Enough spacing especially if quinton. Post isn't

894
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,079
on the court can you even think About playing him

895
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,559
Next to draymond and or butler during the both? Of

896
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,960
those Guys for sure, like if post is not like

897
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,119
can you can't even play technically all those four. GUYS

898
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,920
at the same time i guess you could, For a

899
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,679
ton of minutes but, there's the offensive questions, There, and

900
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,840
then it's okay well if you need To Stagger him,

901
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,599
from the jimmy draymond minutes what does that do to

902
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:56,639
your defense because you're taking one of your two or

903
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,280
three best defenders off. The court during that stretch those

904
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,079
are the BIG question marks and why. I haven't just

905
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,440
said that i think that they're probably the Second biggest

906
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,519
threat To, beat OKAC in the west and I, think

907
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:10,440
that relative To denver they're Gonna be you look at denver.

908
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:14,239
Size On the front line golden, state just doesn't have

909
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,880
that and so like if You Go up, against A

910
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,400
minnesota denver itself like i could. See That being an

911
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760
issue so i'm probably at like a seven and a

912
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,079
half eight of buying What we've, seen SINCE the butler

913
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,199
trade AND i would say before, i THROW it to

914
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,960
you is i actually might, EVEN though they'll be older

915
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,000
i might just be higher on what this means For Them,

916
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,719
next year having jimmy butler because if You, can do

917
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,960
something with kamingo whether it's a sign and trade or

918
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,159
just like you, have other pieces to move like YOU'VE

919
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:44,119
now given yourself what i would say is a more

920
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,719
convincing title contention baseline than anything.

921
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: You, HAD previously to this.

922
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah i agree with That you also outlined why i'm

923
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,159
a little, bit MORE skeptical about them because i don't think.

924
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,280
Their DEPTH is particularly impressive and, i understand that you know,

925
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,440
in the playoffs rotations tightened but not to the point

926
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,280
where you know you have to use three or four

927
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,480
starters and just, drive them into the, ground like you

928
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,800
still need especially their age unique guys. TO kind of

929
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,480
Alleviate that i question whether kamenka. Is ready for That,

930
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,320
role like most of moody He is a guy who i've.

931
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,239
Liked FOR a long time do i trust him in

932
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,280
a more important. SETTING in a playoff series i don't know.

933
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,599
THE answer to. THAT yet i hope so i would

934
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,559
love to see. HIM become a playoff, performer i, think

935
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,079
he's got you know the. SKILL set to do it

936
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,960
i think he's got at times. THE physicality to match

937
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,599
up i think he's got. The mentality at times too

938
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:41,960
but then also he'll have those games where he, Doesn't

939
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,039
play a whole. Lot he'll check HIMSELF out it's just

940
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:48,280
like i, think there the bench essentially like The Depth

941
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,760
area is where i'm i'm not really that trusting of

942
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,639
how that. IS going to work out i love your,

943
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,079
point about the future though the fact that they can

944
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,480
go out AND use, KUMINGA no but. I like i

945
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,000
get it i get what you're saying and sounds, funny because,

946
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,880
you're basically saying you know three guys who live in

947
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,199
the retirement village are going. To be better, next year

948
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:14,440
but you're right you can actually go out and perhaps

949
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,599
relinquish some talent because we can't Get around the fact

950
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,320
that kamenka, is talented he's supremely talented but you might

951
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,960
have to really, sacrifice that for better fit, just an optimized.

952
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,239
Big man whatever that is could it be that They

953
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,199
go out and get vouch to have like. AN inside outside,

954
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Post OPTION i don't know like i don't know who

955
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,920
the right player, is TO get in there but i

956
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,480
do agree that there are better fits around the, league

957
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,880
perhaps should. BE available so we'll see i, Think that's

958
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,760
an interesting point like if they figure out like the

959
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,079
stepping stone from like the, bench to the starting lineup like,

960
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,599
who can actually bridge that then they're gonna be. Fun

961
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:57,599
as hell next year.

962
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: Your part about THE depth is.

963
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,039
Speaker 2: INTERESTING because i try Us i actually really trust moody

964
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,000
based off What we've seen since the. Wigans straight in

965
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,559
a playoff, maybe not so much, offensively i'd, have question

966
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,079
marks but defensively Especially if You have. Like butler AND

967
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,599
draymond There and then, i trust pods for sure and

968
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,960
he's been supers he like forty three percent in the Games.

969
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: THAT he's played in March.

970
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,639
Speaker 3: I didn't bring, Up pots i trust him.

971
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: BUT when you get into i already Mentioned post and

972
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,880
then like healed Of. Like nobody should trust healed and Then.

973
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,039
If YOU can't trust, kaminga, And I, also think look

974
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,960
gary payton. The second has been spectacular that's another player

975
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,280
that especially you know what. He's gonna, bring you offensively,

976
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,159
but oh, is he gonna you know on his? Three

977
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,079
three pointers a game is he gonna shoot forty five?

978
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,440
PERCENT forever in. A play i don't know so that's

979
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,559
a that's a really interesting. Point ABOUT about their depth

980
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:40,559
but i think the fact That if as long as

981
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,159
steph Is healthy And, you have butler and draymond you

982
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,559
can build some really. Nasty Like your core Lineup throw moody.

983
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,760
And then pods in there if, you think he's a

984
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,440
fifth like that's a. Really nasty like core lineup it's

985
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,159
just that core lineup can't play, forty eight minutes a

986
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:56,960
game and so how are? You buying your minutes elsewhere

987
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,840
is definitely. Like a question to ask Our Next. Team

988
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:04,039
is the indiana pacers. They've this isn't a turnaround this

989
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,960
is more, like a surge for them and it's like.

990
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,679
Speaker 1: Kind Of an extended one but march they've been a Fucking.

991
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,519
Speaker 2: HEART attack moret in. March i just want them they

992
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,800
played a semi Normal. Basketball game against the timberwolves, when

993
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,679
THEY blew them out and i know they've been. SHORTHANDED

994
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,079
a couple of times i just want them to play.

995
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,559
LIKE they're gonna kill me i was out. ON this team,

996
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,599
months AGO i said it. Then i was back in

997
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,559
I'M on record as saying i think they are the

998
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:28,920
third Most. Dangerous TEAM in the east and i think.

999
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,639
That's my question to you AND like the, biggest thing

1000
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,199
i Would Highlight aside from just tyre's haliburton balling here

1001
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,000
is if You're trying to look at march specifically tenth,

1002
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,320
in points allowed per possession.

1003
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Their three point.

1004
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: DEFENSE has gotten very lucky i would say they are,

1005
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,039
first in three point defense which we know even if

1006
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:49,960
you're affecting who's taking the shots and that type of.

1007
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,519
Speaker 1: Shots like to.

1008
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: Be first there's noise there but like the rim protection

1009
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,239
teams are. Still getting There A lot but like miles

1010
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,440
turner has been stopping, Putting UP. Better resistance there aaron

1011
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,280
e smith is, just like a help defender. Has Gotten

1012
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,760
a lot better obie toppin's. Been playing well for them

1013
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,400
that would be a question for them in The Playoffs

1014
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,840
is how much obie toppin can? You get away with

1015
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,679
here this team is deep though it is very they,

1016
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,239
can PLAY fast and physical which I Don't, Know, aside

1017
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,079
from oklahoma city like what are the teams? That can

1018
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:20,400
consistently do that i'm Sure there are CERTAINLY, answered like

1019
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,480
even like i one doesn't necessarily Spring to minds like

1020
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:28,719
the pacers, Having THOSE buttons TO push but i, guess

1021
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,239
i would ask you is it like sort if you're looking,

1022
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,119
FOR a thing to do i need to buy or sell?

1023
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,280
A surge from this team is it kind of? Like

1024
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,880
the recent defensive performance is? It something else in net

1025
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,440
are you READY to even buy what i said to

1026
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,800
you a couple, months or like a week a, month

1027
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,920
and a half ago excuse me that they are the

1028
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,760
third Most Threatening.

1029
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: Team in the eastern conference i'm just gonna.

1030
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,559
Speaker 3: BE completely honest. WITH you i. Don't KNOW i don't know,

1031
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,280
WHEN I watch their games i, They're just they keep

1032
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,239
winning they keep being in it lating games even in

1033
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,559
the games that they o and like it doesn't feel

1034
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,280
anything like out of the ordinary is happening for them

1035
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,599
to continue to Win like it's it's it's they're. Just

1036
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,400
a well. OILED machine at this point i think, it's

1037
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:15,000
a combination of comfortabiliality and it's it's. The guys are

1038
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,320
getting healthy like the last, TIME we talked about them

1039
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,480
I Was like WORRIED about tyres, albert and i, WAS

1040
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,199
like you know What i don't think the praisers are

1041
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,159
gonna be a lot better unless he turns into like

1042
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,920
the version we saw of him last year in the

1043
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,679
first half of the season where he was averaging. LIKE

1044
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,280
twenty six and twelve i thought he needed to, becoming

1045
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,480
you know that guy and he's he's still dominating without,

1046
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,920
putting up the raw numbers and he's doing that just

1047
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,199
by having. Full control of the game siakam has been.

1048
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: Oh it's twelve plus assists not. Enough raw numbers.

1049
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,519
Speaker 3: For you those are fantastic it's more of The scoring

1050
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,159
punch right where i'm, sitting, there to just thinking oh

1051
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,719
they're gonna need him because you Can't keep Running things

1052
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,920
through cia coming Like Can we keep trusting bennedicue matherrin

1053
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,039
to keep? Putting up those points totals, but like as

1054
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,480
you said the depth is There Because then one, night

1055
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,079
Obi Topping goes off then andrew, nemhart Has A good

1056
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,199
game then, miles turner sitting CASE three it's just it's

1057
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,280
i feel comfortable with them as a team because they

1058
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,599
just have so many places they can go to for,

1059
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:21,360
a Wide variety of production Like sam who can All

1060
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,639
you can also ask siam to scale up, the defense

1061
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,719
for a bit Like, obviously you, can tell miles look

1062
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,800
today we're gonna have a pretty tough. Assignment in front

1063
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,039
of us we need you to just drop back and

1064
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,519
block everything under the. Sun if they Come close like

1065
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:39,639
it's rick kylole just has all these buttons and, dials

1066
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:42,199
that he can turn and he does. AND players seem

1067
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,599
to listen i don't think there's just. One thing that

1068
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:50,440
stands out it's it's like. The sum of all parts

1069
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,480
it just. Kind.

1070
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 1: Of.

1071
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:52,559
Speaker 3: SEEMS to work.

1072
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,119
Speaker 2: Yeah there i just, there's OPTIONALITY on this team and

1073
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,239
i think it's functional to the point where you know

1074
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,719
you mentioned this before, rotation SHRINK in The playoffs and

1075
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,840
i think INDIANA will. BE no different i mentioned i

1076
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,360
think the top and thing might be like the Like

1077
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,079
how many minutes of obi top and can you get away?

1078
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,320
With in the playoff, playoffs very MATCHUP dependent there but

1079
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,880
like i don't think, you like aside from him so

1080
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,400
you go through the list of other guys. That Are

1081
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,199
getting regular minutes is bencmathrin perfectly what you.

1082
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,039
Speaker 1: Need, from a wing spot no he can.

1083
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely Play, in, The, playoffs Nie smith McConnell Halliburton, And

1084
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,000
siakham of course turner like. These Are all, just guys memhard,

1085
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,440
Sheppard too like getting spot like that's someone to come

1086
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,440
and give you. Different defensive looks for sure while he,

1087
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,159
hit enough of his. Threes, THAT'S by the way anecdotally

1088
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,559
I just want all of indies's quote unquote like good

1089
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,400
shooters to be hitting. Threes at the same time it

1090
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,280
feels like that's. Just never happened this season like it's

1091
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,360
like two or three players are on heaters and then

1092
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,639
like these other three. Or four guys are not but

1093
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,039
THIS team is just and I mean like they have

1094
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:54,239
i'm My Favorite, Lineup, Of, Theirs isnie Smith. NEMHARD haliburton

1095
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,599
turner in siakam i Think you can sub in mathrin

1096
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,199
if you want sort of, different looks there like that

1097
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:03,559
like that sort Of base Nucleus. ASIDE from cleveland or

1098
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:06,199
boston i just don't Know what team if you're indie

1099
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,559
that you need to fear when those are like, That

1100
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,559
is your go, to like five or six and like

1101
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,480
the way that you can mix and match and play

1102
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,760
it and just again the. Two WAY capability of that

1103
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,239
So i buy like they again this has been more.

1104
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,360
OF like a gradual SURGE i don't know if i

1105
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,920
buy them, as a top ten defense but when you're looking,

1106
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,239
AT their most important lineups I think you can say

1107
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:30,880
i buy that they have a higher defensive ceiling than

1108
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,559
kind of floating around the bottom ten. AND being an

1109
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:36,400
absolute sieve i do still, EVEN with their best lineups

1110
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,639
i worry, about them on the interior like, even if

1111
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,039
you're you know if you're, deterring shots at the rim

1112
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:42,639
it feels like it comes at the expense of just

1113
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:44,880
like these high quality. Floater Looks For other teams. BUT

1114
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,760
i'm i'm it's funny I. WAS out on the pacers

1115
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,440
i don't, remember what month it Was, It, might, Have

1116
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480
been November December whatever. And now i'm pacers pilled? How

1117
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,360
do you like that and they did, Nothing at the

1118
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,400
trade that like it wasn't like, This team had any

1119
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,400
turnover like this, is just something that's organic, like BEEN

1120
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,960
fixed In house and i. THINK i'll STAND by it

1121
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:07,039
i think i would rather see them like if. WE'RE

1122
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,920
talking second round matchups i think that they would give

1123
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,320
more Of a test To a Cleveland Or a Boston.

1124
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:13,639
Speaker 1: Than, new, york or.

1125
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,119
Speaker 3: Milwaukee consistency right that, Is the word for them like

1126
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:21,559
it's the same level. Of effort every single game those

1127
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,440
are the teams that. You need to worry about the

1128
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,639
teams that surge in a way where you know they,

1129
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:31,280
completely break their own pattern they're going to. Come back

1130
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,320
down to earth It never seems like the pacers went, up,

1131
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,239
like they kept winning sure but like we're not seeing

1132
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,480
that attached to like wild individual performances or percentages that are.

1133
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:49,079
Suddenly skyrocketing out of nowhere this is just like fixing,

1134
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,960
small issues, here and there humming, along knowing who they.

1135
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,800
ARE knowing their own limitations i would Not want to play.

1136
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: The, PACERS in the, Playoffs NO i, would, agree and

1137
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:04,119
i think look even if, you don't trust their defense

1138
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:07,239
if they can continue to, keep opponents out of transition which,

1139
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,400
of your offense is clicking that's the way. To get

1140
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760
your defense set it's just sometimes you get you'll have,

1141
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,320
a chance.

1142
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:12,519
Speaker 1: To get set.

1143
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: And, THAT'LL, make you better inherently u you certainly should

1144
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,480
feel better, About Their their Playoff stock so I'm probably

1145
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,519
i'm GONNA say i'm like a i want eleven Out,

1146
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:24,880
of ten for the pistons. BUT this is all Relative

1147
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,599
i would say like i'm Probably. A nine on. The

1148
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:31,199
pacers that feels right our Next Team a lot of

1149
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,440
james harden, dealing with an ankle injury, but he's very

1150
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,280
you know he doesn't receive enough credit For kind of

1151
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,599
having the i'm just gonna rub some dirt and, spray

1152
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:39,280
Some windecks on it. AND i'm gonna be fine i

1153
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,599
think we need To Appreciate the load that james harden has.

1154
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:43,480
Carried over The years.

1155
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: More But, The.

1156
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: Clippers more uh Man they've been. Both to bogdanovic playing

1157
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,320
well The half court offense. Since february first is eighth

1158
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,559
like that's a big deal for this team. That we

1159
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:58,679
were concerned About uh it's not just, bogdanovich is hitting, his.

1160
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Threes by the way either we're shooting six.

1161
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,519
Speaker 2: Point seven percent on drives the half court offense specifically

1162
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,400
is in the eighty six Percent high When you have kawhi.

1163
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,119
And harden on the court There's Been some. CONCERNS about

1164
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:12,320
norm powell recently i think that he's probably always. Struggled

1165
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,039
against more physical defenses but he's coming back. From like

1166
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:18,239
knee hamstring stuff let's SEE if that normal because i

1167
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,039
would think like his performance, will, normalize if he's healthy

1168
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,000
like just as he's always been a valuable. Spacer and

1169
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:26,199
get downhill guy so if you need him to, do, a. Little,

1170
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,719
less dribbling okay fine defensively there could be Some challenges

1171
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,880
if each a Zubos Might, finish first team all defense

1172
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,559
might finish In The top three Of. Defensive player of, the,

1173
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:39,400
year mort, is there Like You know assuming that james, Harden,

1174
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,320
is gonna be okay like is there like something here

1175
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,639
with this team where they're, they're not a sleeping giant

1176
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:45,920
but there's someone who could Cause a?

1177
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: Ruckus, IN the west, Playoffs.

1178
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,599
Speaker 3: WELL i mean yes so i was probably a little

1179
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,159
bit too low on them for the. MOST part of

1180
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:57,039
the year i thought THIS wasn't a team that i would.

1181
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:02,119
Necessarily TRUST come playoff time AND i will also say

1182
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,760
i have been probably conditioned at this Point To just

1183
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,400
expect that kawhi leonard just would not be much available,

1184
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:11,639
or even after his return that he. Would go down

1185
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:14,599
again again knock on. Wood that doesn't Happen we love to.

1186
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:19,440
See kawhi on the floor it obviously Dramatically changes my

1187
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,800
answer whether, kawhi is available or not like he is.

1188
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,280
Still THEIR fully fledged superstar what i think has been

1189
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:29,480
a major key, for them all year long not, just

1190
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,239
in the recent stretch is that the playoff two guys

1191
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,960
in particular never kind of dropped. Down after their Hot

1192
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,480
start so a mere coffee still hitting that three ball

1193
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:43,000
at a high. Rate Playing Two way basketball derek jones

1194
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,400
junior also just keeping that train Moving from his time

1195
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,000
in dallas where he became one of the better. Forward

1196
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:53,639
defenders in the league they have just. Completely kept that,

1197
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,760
thing going, both of them, you know part, Time Starters

1198
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,960
well all Right Derek Jones juices and derek jones shooter

1199
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:02,960
started for the, most part of the season but it's.

1200
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,639
BEEN in and out there i just you need those

1201
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:08,320
type of guys to come in and give you the.

1202
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,280
SAME production every single night i think what's been interesting

1203
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,920
is how they've kept their roles. Intact despite some Roster Turnover,

1204
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,719
so like boke don bogdanovic we know he likes to

1205
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:23,679
handle the ball just to see, he can, move off

1206
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:25,840
ball for sure but he also likes to play make

1207
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,480
he likes to have the, ball in, His hand somehow

1208
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,599
some way. I'm Your coffee and, Direct, jones shooter was like.

1209
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:33,639
Yep we're. Down with it that's cool we're gonna allow

1210
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,639
him to come. In and dictate some things we're. Gonna

1211
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:41,760
play off of that there's, just team wide. Role acceptance

1212
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:46,679
which is huge like ask any coach at, any level

1213
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,840
and they'll say role. Acceptance is just alpha omega it's

1214
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,159
it's one of the. Most important parts to. Success they

1215
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:58,000
have gotten that supermuch is a good shout by the way.

1216
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:03,199
He's been Outreak Just, outrageous even.

1217
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: Just, Nicholas Patoom that steadying hand. Chris, dunn just absolute monster.

1218
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,480
Defensively they've even they've, won the offense looks choppy and

1219
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:11,320
some of that might, Be If You're you know derek

1220
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,039
jones junior is on the floor for some of that and.

1221
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,119
The way defenses guard him he's hitting. His threes at

1222
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,320
the moment he's actually hitting more Threes in The Month

1223
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:17,639
of march.

1224
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: Than norman powell. Per game how About.

1225
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: That but like the ben, simmons and no big. Look

1226
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:25,199
they've won those minutes that's actually when you look at some. Of,

1227
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,440
the personnel they've had again the offense, can Get a

1228
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,239
little rough but i've been impressed with, a LOT of

1229
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,559
those minutes and i think it just gives them different buttons.

1230
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,719
TO push in the playoffs i, don't expect that, to be.

1231
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,079
By The way a, crutch what i'm saying like it

1232
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,840
DOES give you the word, i keep Coming back to

1233
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,679
or that i've overused in, the. HISTORY of this podcast

1234
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:47,039
optionality I Do worry like if james harden is dealing

1235
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:49,719
with an ankle issue, or anything moving, forward again hopefully

1236
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,079
he's fine And he's, Been SPECTACULAR and march specifically but

1237
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:57,280
i think Is It egregious to say kawhi leonard very

1238
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,719
much defines the Ceiling Of this team like james harden,

1239
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,360
kind OF defines their floor because i think like they've

1240
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,559
actually been Pretty bad this Year, when kawhi PLAYS without

1241
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,880
harden and so i think because, of the The playmaking

1242
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:12,639
usage specifically that harden can shoulder that, nobody Else.

1243
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,239
Speaker 1: On this team including kawhi.

1244
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: Can come close to shouldering if you're dealing with any

1245
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,760
sort of, a reduced version of him it like it

1246
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,400
has a pretty big impact on how far you could

1247
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,639
Go and so. That's something i'll be monitoring but if

1248
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:30,760
their offense is anywhere, like it's been above average if

1249
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,280
it's anywhere near, league average with the defense they are

1250
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,119
second in points a lot per. Possession against top, ten

1251
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,519
offenses this is if like if they get the right, Draw,

1252
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:42,199
IN the first round like i don't, Know that there's

1253
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:44,320
a team like if you told me they pulled off

1254
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,800
A first round upset against i think Anyone, To aside

1255
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,159
from the, thunder, i'd, probably BE like wow.

1256
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Okay, LIKE I believe it yeah I.

1257
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: Denver, is one, Where i'm like because.

1258
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,079
Speaker 1: Yo kic get zoo and foul trouble and. Then, you're

1259
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:00,400
kind of small yeah.

1260
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: So the back line hurts Denver, is, probably ONE like

1261
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,239
okay see. Obviously, i agree with You, like but, IF it's,

1262
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,079
houston For example i yeah That's that's probably one where

1263
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:15,440
i'd be very open To the idea that the clippers come.

1264
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: Out because the offense DOES feel a Little like i

1265
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,239
buy into Like. What we're, seeing from bogdanovich it's okay,

1266
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,079
it might be unsustainably hot but it's closer to what

1267
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,280
we know about him Than what we saw in atlanta

1268
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,239
when he was battling injuries and just not playing well

1269
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,639
at all the norm power. Regression hurts a little bit

1270
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,719
i'm probably gonna go, like a six In terms like

1271
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:36,920
because what i'm looking at specifically is. The offense with

1272
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,559
the clip we know, the defense is for real and

1273
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,519
the surge comes back to. WHAT is their offensive ceiling

1274
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,880
i don't know if they can play Like because Even during,

1275
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,480
this february since february first, They're not a top ten

1276
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:49,280
like being eighth and a half court's a big deal.

1277
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,480
HELP you Come playoff time i think, i'm at like

1278
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:53,920
a six maybe a six and a half of buying

1279
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,000
what we've seen from from their surge.

1280
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,559
Speaker 3: That that feels fair because they're often the teams. That

1281
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,960
we've talked so far That's probably the one that i'm

1282
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,719
sounds horrible. To say least high on but like we're,

1283
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,960
talking about the right direction.

1284
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:09,599
Speaker 1: You're higher on the bulls well did? You?

1285
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:11,159
Speaker 3: Give, THEM a grade remember.

1286
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:12,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, i mean the ball like if, You're looking at

1287
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:14,800
the ball i'd probably? Go what like a? Two like

1288
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,760
what is It just like you HAVE voochs talking about

1289
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:17,400
like i might want to.

1290
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,239
Speaker 2: Stay, here beyond this season yeah that sounds like a

1291
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,360
good time to move, on to our Next Team, which

1292
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,719
is The minnesota timberwolves which more i'm not even fucking.

1293
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:29,039
Sure if they, belong here at this rate there are

1294
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:32,239
Seventh in. Net ratings since february first they do tend

1295
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,199
to play up to, the level of their opponents but

1296
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:36,519
then like they. Just turn in these clunkers kind Of

1297
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:38,719
Saw it against the, indiana pacers the other night they

1298
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:39,400
play down to.

1299
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: THE level of their opponents i just don't know what.

1300
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,599
Speaker 2: TO make of this, team i can't quit them, because

1301
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:48,000
the talent is there and when you look at like

1302
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:51,280
they're what top seven Goy Like the way that julius Randall,

1303
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,960
has played by And Marge the way that dante DiVincenzo,

1304
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,599
Was playing at the moment like the, top END talent

1305
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,119
is there but, i look at this. Team they're so

1306
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:06,239
maddeningly inconsistent twenty fifth on offense and. Crunch time for

1307
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,840
the season, they've been slightly better. Recently but still below

1308
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,400
average their starting lineup right now, as a killer net rating,

1309
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,960
and so, like that was you know did you have

1310
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,360
a ton of conviction in that. Unit to begin the year,

1311
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:21,039
jane McDaniel's been better offensively but i. Still think defenses

1312
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,559
don't care lots Of Up and down. FOR rudy gobert

1313
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,440
on offense i, Think maybe the bigger storyline And that's

1314
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,199
the thing that I'M kind of wondering if, i NEED

1315
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:29,679
we need.

1316
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:30,559
Speaker 1: To but i.

1317
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,239
Speaker 2: Won't buy It In, full but like anthony edwards we've

1318
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:35,440
seen the volume on, the three is still there still

1319
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,960
Above thirty, five percent since february, first but not by

1320
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,199
much like not shooting as. Well as he was before

1321
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:45,000
and we've even had like this season's been turbulent for

1322
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,559
him when it comes, to finishing around the basket but

1323
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:50,320
like he's just not the same level of finisher. That

1324
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,480
he was last season and like you can boil it

1325
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,000
down to does that have anything to? Do with the

1326
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,880
front court is have anything to do? WITH the go

1327
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,320
bear minutes. I mean you isolate it he's like he's

1328
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,199
been a little bit better In the, restricted area since

1329
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,480
february first but he's in the seventieth percent tile of

1330
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:07,679
rim finishing this year versus. The ninety fourth last year

1331
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,440
he's shooting forty Six percent on twos, With gobar on

1332
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,920
the floor i'm six sixty point, four percent at The

1333
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,199
rim and then, when gobart's off the court that goes

1334
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,199
to sixty, Two percent at the rim so it's. Not

1335
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:21,440
like This huge difference that's something i'm monitoring because it,

1336
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,039
could be a spacing issue but like if there's not

1337
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:26,199
the same, level of burst they're finishing there. COULD be

1338
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:29,159
a difficulty issue i, think it's also hurt, them like

1339
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:32,400
he's still Important But they can't, play mike commley as

1340
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,280
much or at least they don't feel like they trust him,

1341
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:36,440
to play as much more and that can throw their

1342
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440
offense FOR sort of a loop d loop if you can't,

1343
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,679
Tell by that incoherent rambling i'm all over the place

1344
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:43,719
on the wolf.

1345
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: Because the wolves. Are, THE wolves are like Look I,

1346
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,840
was impressed with, julius randall by the way because for

1347
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,599
him to actually be a positive influence on wining team

1348
01:03:55,719 --> 01:04:00,199
That is not something that. I'm always associated with him let's.

1349
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:00,880
JUST put it that way.

1350
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: I mean to be fair he was a driving force

1351
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:06,159
in The regular season for the knicks and they were winning.

1352
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,719
Speaker 3: Games occasionally because there are times where he had he

1353
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:11,639
had seasons where he was just all, over the place

1354
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,880
himself offensively Where he would shoot the knicks out of

1355
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,119
games just as soften as he would, Shoot THEM back

1356
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,880
into it like i do think, the, volatility of this,

1357
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,119
offense which like you, said all over the place is.

1358
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:24,239
Speaker 1: Not.

1359
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,159
Speaker 3: Going to help them towns, for all the contractual stuff

1360
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:34,920
was still, a very Consistent offensive performer and while gobert

1361
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:37,400
kind of took a lot of, those rebounds away from

1362
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,679
him he was a consistent. Presence on the class too,

1363
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,920
he was always a big wide body who, knew how

1364
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,599
to place himself even though he wasn't quote unquote a,

1365
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:50,000
good defender so to speak like he just he was able.

1366
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:53,000
To clock the paint up we're not seeing. That. To,

1367
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:57,760
The same extent McDaniels however i'm glad you shot you,

1368
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,840
gave him that shout Out because this is something i've

1369
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,880
been complaining, about for years for years like him just

1370
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,199
being able, to take more open shots or rather having,

1371
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:10,159
the willingness to, do, SO and him acknowledging hey i

1372
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:13,039
need to be. More of an. Offensive factor good on

1373
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,760
him we're SEEING some contribution there that. I Didn't expect

1374
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,239
from him nas reed, also still the same guy but

1375
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,079
everything around that. Has been volatile As Hell we know

1376
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:25,800
that rudy gobert can have games where he scores seventeen

1377
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,320
and he. Follows that up with five so we know.

1378
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,239
He's not a Consistent, presence we know that randall for all,

1379
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,760
what he's done this year we know that there's still some.

1380
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,719
Inconsistencies to, his jump shot you, know sometimes it'll be on,

1381
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,440
sometimes he'll be way off he'll shoot. His, way out

1382
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,719
of games anthey. It works not much different i'm afraid

1383
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,679
at times like he will get, he's still a young,

1384
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,599
guy he'll get over. Confident he'll take bad, shots like

1385
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,280
it's just. Collectively there's, TOO much turmoil like you, I

1386
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,320
don't trust the offense i don't necessarily understand. WHERE the

1387
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,280
hell they're tracking i hope we're gonna get a response

1388
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,639
within the last oh god. NINE games the regular season

1389
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,599
i don't think that's gonna. Tell us a, whole lot

1390
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:13,320
but you're right, they're ALL over.

1391
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: THE place, AND i Wonder i mean i guess gobar

1392
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,880
technically counts to someone who draws fouls because. Teams will

1393
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,480
WILLINGLY foul him but they i, feel like they need

1394
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,079
someone especially when you get to the playoffs and you're

1395
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:26,239
looking at, some of their secondary Lineups Like someone Other

1396
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,519
Than anthony edwards or julius randad needs to, be able

1397
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:30,880
to draw fouls and they just don't. Have it on

1398
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,679
this team and when you kind of, boil that down

1399
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:36,000
to okay there could be certain spacing, limitations in the

1400
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:38,559
half court especially depending on the level of. Opponent you're

1401
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,559
going up against and then now we can't, we or

1402
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:44,480
at least again it feels like they Feel Like they can't.

1403
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,800
Play mike calmly as much and he's getting older and he,

1404
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,679
has what do you like has dealt with, A bunch

1405
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:51,559
of risk, stuff i believe this year. SO that would

1406
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:56,119
make sense I still, just like since february first they're,

1407
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,679
they're top ten offensive defense and yet they're still fourteen

1408
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:03,320
and ten. AND that's Not really spectacular i think i've

1409
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,360
seen enough against them AT high end competition where i,

1410
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,159
DON'T know this stretch SPECIFICALLY i. Don't know that i

1411
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:11,559
need like this just feels like an. Extension of who

1412
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,159
they are so maybe it should be high on a.

1413
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,039
Scale of ONE to ten but if i was to

1414
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,920
do an Overall, Trust meter of the wolves i'm gonna

1415
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,400
give them a five AND a half simply. Because I

1416
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,599
can't quit them like i just feel like their top

1417
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:26,400
end OUTCOME Is, They made the Nba finals like that

1418
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,760
IS that is how good i. FEEL about this team's

1419
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,920
peak i just have yet to see anything that makes

1420
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,119
me believe they was they would sustain that they're apex

1421
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,480
for a long enough to make it out of three,

1422
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:39,880
playoff series in the way Even.

1423
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:40,239
Speaker 3: Fucking.

1424
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: One, In the west more.

1425
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah i'm not. A believer this year whatsoever. I do

1426
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,280
think it's fair Like in terms of the gobar stuff

1427
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,320
you said he used to get. The line doesn't really

1428
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,320
anymore BUT there's a larger question. I Think That has

1429
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:57,760
risen has rudy gobert? Started his decline this, YEAR like

1430
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,719
when watching games i don't necessarily feel less though we're

1431
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,960
seeing a dramatically. Like lessened version of him but when,

1432
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,519
you dig into the numbers you're seeing it all over

1433
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,559
the place, in virtually every statistical category even, the advanced

1434
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:21,479
metrics as well where you're seeing like. A diminished version

1435
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,000
of him and it's interesting because, you know he is

1436
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,239
older and we also know that some big men who are,

1437
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,640
especially it's all like him can have a sentency to

1438
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,279
like dramatically fall off one. Year from to the next

1439
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:41,600
are we looking at? A decline, that's been initiated i.

1440
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,079
Speaker 2: MEAN if it's a decline i don't think that it's

1441
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:48,399
been mad like he is still can be The anchor,

1442
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,039
of an only yeah defense and so It's Sort of

1443
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:54,680
like has, Lebron James decline type territory like i'm not

1444
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,359
putting him On, the same level. Of lebron but It's

1445
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,000
okay eighty percent of lebron is still one of the

1446
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,000
fifteen best players In The eighty percent of rudy gobert

1447
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,680
is still one of what the five to ten MOST.

1448
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,680
VALUABLE defenders IN the nba i think i do wonder

1449
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:14,640
what might be a problem with him is that when,

1450
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,680
you look at this team and it was probably to

1451
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,800
some extent, A problem last year too i don't know

1452
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,880
that they have enough guys who understand like where he

1453
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,720
needs to get the ball. Or how to use him

1454
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,680
and part of that is just we know They Have

1455
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,840
mi commedy like rob dillingham not playing, a ton at

1456
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,600
the moment going. Through A feeling out process julius randall's

1457
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,279
never necessarily, been THAT level, of, passer and i think look,

1458
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,960
we put and rightfully so like A Ton, of pressure

1459
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:44,760
on anthony edwards but like he's still so YOUNG and

1460
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,920
so like he i don't THINK that he's not an,

1461
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,560
a PLUS passer right now and i don't know that

1462
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,279
he's comfortable like putting the ball where fully comfortable fin

1463
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,159
Like putting the ball where rudy's, Gonna want it the

1464
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:56,960
most like you need someone who's more of a, game

1465
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,199
manager to Do That, and aside from mike conley like.

1466
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:03,359
You just DON'T have that and so i think if there's,

1467
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:05,399
been a regression from him it almost feels like he's

1468
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,920
less reliable on the. Offensive end than ever before at

1469
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,199
least there's he's exploring peaks and valleys like more dramatically than.

1470
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:13,760
He DID in the past and I think you could

1471
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,800
definitely i think when you look, at his movement on defense, You,

1472
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,600
could definitely see like okay it feels like he might be.

1473
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,960
A STEP or two slower but i can't bring myself

1474
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,319
to maybe they go up against a certain playoff matchup

1475
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:25,840
and that. Gets exposed for some reason but, if we're,

1476
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,600
still talking about you know one of the ten MOST,

1477
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,039
valuable defenders in the nba IT'S just not something that.

1478
01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:32,119
Speaker 1: I would, Be worried.

1479
01:10:32,119 --> 01:10:35,359
Speaker 3: About oh yeah I'm Not i'm not calling. Clint capella

1480
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,720
or anything like That's NOT where we are i'm, i

1481
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,520
just think it's interesting right because he, is getting TO that,

1482
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,760
age AND like i said, when, i, watch Him play

1483
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:52,960
like yeah occasionally i'll, notice like glimmer of something but ultimately.

1484
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,199
It's not something that's recognizable but it's just when, you

1485
01:10:57,279 --> 01:10:58,920
dig into the numbers you just kind of start to

1486
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,960
see a pattern and then you kind of, make, the assumption, as,

1487
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,560
well like all right well he's just wrapping up. His

1488
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:08,039
age forty two season is he going to be able

1489
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:11,439
to actually, rebound or get you know? IN the year

1490
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,119
forty three i guess is that going to be a

1491
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,680
thing like or are we going to see like this

1492
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,239
version of him for a couple of years and then

1493
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,039
the drop off is. GOING to be, like LEGIT i

1494
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,600
don't know but i do think that they have to

1495
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,279
like look, at that, situation and say all right like.

1496
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:29,159
He's not getting any younger if you want The best out,

1497
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:31,960
of go, bear, moving forward you're right like let's get

1498
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,399
a point guard in here who knows. How to give

1499
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,600
them balls let's, actually try to activate him but. A

1500
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,680
little bit more offensively I.

1501
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: Think by the WAY dillingham might be that i think if,

1502
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,399
you had to ask me who's like, THEIR second best

1503
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,640
lob creator i might go with or pass or however.

1504
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,520
YOU want to frame it I Would probably go with

1505
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,600
Rob Dillingham. OR maybe even dante DiVincenzo.

1506
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:54,039
Speaker 1: I think is maybe a. Little UNDERRATED in that area and.

1507
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,039
Speaker 2: I don't, know if, that's i mean this season that's probably.

1508
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:58,199
Not a, HIGH enough ceiling but yeah i get, Where

1509
01:11:58,199 --> 01:12:00,000
you're saying on That Like, it might be rob, dillingham

1510
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:02,800
that's gonna take, Time And in that time rudy goberry

1511
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,039
is not.

1512
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:04,359
Speaker 1: Going to get any younger.

1513
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 3: So How do we feel about minnesota going into the

1514
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,520
next season with all? The contractual stuff going on though that's.

1515
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Just, a that's.

1516
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,119
Speaker 2: A whole different separate discussion when you have, HIS nas

1517
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:16,680
read the player i need to know What's gonna happen

1518
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,079
With the randall and NASE Reed player options.

1519
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: Before, i but like.

1520
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: This team it just it feels closer. Than their uneven

1521
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,199
performance reflects and so if they're gonna somehow figure out how,

1522
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,560
to bring back this core it does feel like a

1523
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,079
matter of maybe. Bringing some futzing and fiddling where can

1524
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:38,079
you get can you get another like mid? End game

1525
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:40,880
manager in here is there a tray that they figure

1526
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,840
to Be A part, of THE kevin durant sweepstakes depending

1527
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,520
I Think on how the julius. RANDALL free agency shakes

1528
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,039
out i think the problem here's where there would Be

1529
01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:52,359
a problem with the wolves reaches critical mass if You

1530
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:57,119
Don't believe that With Anthony edwards and like, mike conley

1531
01:12:57,159 --> 01:12:59,680
on the decline and Then, however you feel about dillingham

1532
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,119
if you don't think there is a realistic path with

1533
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:04,520
most of this GROUP here.

1534
01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: To, them being i would say a more.

1535
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 2: Consistent or versatile offensive team that's when you really have

1536
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,760
to start having some, wholesale discussions our next, TEAM second,

1537
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,119
to Last team i believe, if i'm not mistaken here

1538
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:20,359
We Move, on To the phoenix suns who i've Seen

1539
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:23,600
just a lot of? Have they turned things around if

1540
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,000
you're basing on the Turnaround Like This is, the mickey

1541
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,800
mouse march question like this is the team that perhaps

1542
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,279
this exercise is for more than anybody else Here. In

1543
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:34,760
the month of march, they are seventh in, offense twenty third.

1544
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,640
IN defense six and five a lot, Of Positive developments for.

1545
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,479
Them ose godaro playing more he's been Great As, sort

1546
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,079
of like malleable defensively the passing out of the. Short

1547
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:47,039
role is still there they, probably need him to be

1548
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:50,479
like show some more, aggression or, physicality on offense, like okay,

1549
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,840
the floaters cool but like please go up to the.

1550
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,359
Rim a little bit more Is it a coincidence that

1551
01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:59,960
bel's hamstring injury is kind of coincided with this recent.

1552
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,800
WINNING streak that they're on I Continue. TO marvel at

1553
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,399
kevin durant i don't know if You saw The game,

1554
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:09,000
against Milwaukee On, tuesday night but eddie johnson It's crunch

1555
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:10,960
time and the, wolves are down by two, and.

1556
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: He, says on air he's like Just Get the.

1557
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,079
Speaker 2: Ball to kevin, durant please Two seconds later bal, to

1558
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,960
kevin rant three. Pointer go ahead three, pointer makes, A

1559
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,560
huge difference. OF course i Just Found i continue, to

1560
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,000
devin booker, playing BETTER of, course too but i, THINK

1561
01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:25,439
and By The way i think devin booker is at

1562
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,399
his best when kind of, like a big man type

1563
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,079
like a big. MAN who can decision make i don't

1564
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:32,560
know that you need to have A Lob threat next

1565
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,199
to devin booker so, much as a big like oh.

1566
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:36,199
SO who could decision make i think that's. When he's

1567
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:39,920
at his best let's start here. Scale of one to

1568
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,399
ten how Much Do You? Buy the march?

1569
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: Phoenix suns.

1570
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 3: Not a lot What are we add like durant had

1571
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,640
forty two the? OTHER night four point.

1572
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: TWO i think that's fair i just don't like it's

1573
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,960
cool that they've seemed to have unearthed some things about

1574
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,399
THEIR team that, work that I would argue like the

1575
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:03,359
OsO button should have. BEEN pushed a, lot SOONER i

1576
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,600
just Yes Do? I BELIEVE in devin Booker Do? I

1577
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,239
believe in kevin durant but, like they're going through, This,

1578
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,840
they're six and five like are we basing this All?

1579
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: Off of like in march are we just basing this off?

1580
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:18,560
OF a mini, winning streak, i can't like what honestly

1581
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:20,000
why should.

1582
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,279
Speaker 3: We supposed to win sixty and we're Sitting here. TALKING

1583
01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:25,000
about the maverick going.

1584
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,239
Speaker 2: I, WANT to make this clear I missed on them

1585
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:29,319
because i PROBABLY hit their over and i definitely had.

1586
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:31,800
THEM in the playoff discussion I ended up picking the

1587
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:32,600
blazers to make.

1588
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:33,520
Speaker 1: The play in over them.

1589
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,239
Speaker 2: That's not, aging particularly well but like even if they

1590
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:39,560
make it, out of the play, IN which by the

1591
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,439
way i wouldn't guarantee because if You have to beat

1592
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,159
The clippers and or. THE timberwolves, to get there i like,

1593
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:50,800
you're gonna at this rate it's not even they have

1594
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,720
no chance of getting. To a seven eight spot so

1595
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,399
you're gonna have. To win two playing games i'm not gonna,

1596
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:58,520
pick them to do that, and, then, if they do

1597
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:01,600
okay good They're Gonna it's slaughtered by. OKLAHOMA city in

1598
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,399
round one i just what? If you can You Sell

1599
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,880
is there? A devil's advocate case here i tried To

1600
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:11,760
Approach this, from THE devil's advocate, Perspective, and i think

1601
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,840
that okay there might be a top, end lineup here

1602
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,520
that works But It. Might not include bradley beal and?

1603
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,199
WHAT does that, look like i guess politically like, You're

1604
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,000
just not gonna play like You're Just not gonna play,

1605
01:16:24,039 --> 01:16:26,119
BRADLEY beal if he's healthy.

1606
01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:28,359
Speaker 3: I was seeing. HIM and not starting him i mean

1607
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,800
that those are two or GIVING him a, featured role

1608
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,079
i should, say, Because he's not starting.

1609
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 2: Right i'm just but MY whole thing is just. I,

1610
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,920
don't have like that okay, it's been, cool like this

1611
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:43,079
oh right this recent stretch is fun And We got

1612
01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:43,319
to see.

1613
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: Kevin durant in the.

1614
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: PLAYOFFS like that's always cool i guess there's Sort of

1615
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,800
the any given sunday effect When You have Players Like devin.

1616
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,520
Speaker 1: Booker and, KEVIN durant HERE but.

1617
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 2: LIKE i just i can't i can't, Get there on this,

1618
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,640
team like it's you know, we've seen a little bit

1619
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,359
like we, have to shout him out but Because it's

1620
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:02,560
the hard on, knocks podcast of all podcasts like It's

1621
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,640
Been cool to see cody.

1622
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: Martin has had, UTILITY now when.

1623
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 2: HE'S healthy i JUST don't i just like i don't

1624
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,520
know how to feel ABOUT this team other than i

1625
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,399
think they're a sham and this recent stretch hasn't. Necessarily

1626
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,840
changed that, for me where all right they, MIGHT be

1627
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,560
a PLAYING team i still think i would be fairly

1628
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,000
surprised if they make, it out of the plane never

1629
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:26,680
mind having to get into the playoffs and.

1630
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: Then beat the one seed. We're. Gonna be the thunder

1631
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:31,159
no this is.

1632
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: Definitely the most disappointing team in the entire, league to

1633
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:38,680
me this year And this recent stretch doesn't i'm almost confused.

1634
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:44,119
THAT'S why we included Them, i don't think they've yeah

1635
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:47,680
they broke their pattern of having a winning record and

1636
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,800
actually playing a little bit. As THEY were, supposed to

1637
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,760
but i again this team with these With These, players

1638
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,000
at Least Booker, durant Even ignoring beal jones, O'Neil allen

1639
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:02,279
and so on like this was supposed to be, A

1640
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:05,199
TEAM that won fifty LIKE i was joking, when i

1641
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:07,600
said sixty earlier but like fifty should. Have been within

1642
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,439
the wheelhouse and now we're we're we're talking about them

1643
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,520
because they went? Five or six and five? Was it

1644
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:16,000
six and five.

1645
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:18,079
Speaker 2: They're six and five in. March and they're on there

1646
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,319
they're on. A four game, winning streak oh so yeah

1647
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:23,319
four game winning, streak which during that time. Like, they

1648
01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:26,520
have real wit Well they Have, wins over cleveland and,

1649
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,279
milwaukee like Those still matter Especially the cleveland one, BECAUSE cleveland, was, full,

1650
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:31,600
Strength i believe yeah.

1651
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:36,159
Speaker 3: Ghost so, like, it's a weird month right that's so why.

1652
01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:39,600
We're DOING this SPOT though it's i just i have a.

1653
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,960
Zero faith lift. In him durant, wants out, we know

1654
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:45,159
this like this this is a. Marriage that's about. To

1655
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:48,840
end we know this so like this that's just hovers

1656
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,520
in My head every, Single, time, I'm watching them like

1657
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,239
oh durant's, just playing out the. YEAR like he's just

1658
01:18:54,279 --> 01:18:57,039
waiting i still think he loves ball to, The, point

1659
01:18:57,079 --> 01:18:59,159
where he's like yeah if we have, A chance to

1660
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:03,359
win it i'm. Gonna try to do it but are

1661
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:05,319
are we sure he's gonna go balls to the wall

1662
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:07,720
of the remainder remaining ten games and.

1663
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:11,560
Speaker 2: Try, to make IT through, YEAH that's he i mean

1664
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,560
i DON'T have that would be i. Buy LIKE him

1665
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:18,279
doing that but i also there is, kind, of the

1666
01:19:18,319 --> 01:19:18,960
problem of well?

1667
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:19,079
Speaker 1: What?

1668
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:22,279
Speaker 2: Are the stakes here right because are you what what

1669
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,359
is the outcome where it ends with that they Would

1670
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:28,119
Decide to what keep kevin durant around and kind of run.

1671
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:30,680
THIS back a, little bit i don't like? Does that

1672
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,960
scenario even exist? What does that look like just making

1673
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:33,880
it to the, playoffs?

1674
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,079
Speaker 1: Can't? COUNT as that right no.

1675
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: I see that's the. THING i've counted that out i

1676
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,880
don't remember a Situation Where, a guy like kim DuRane,

1677
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:48,319
a featured guy like him, was, basically so determined, that

1678
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,680
yeah you know what we're we're probably gonna split, our

1679
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,920
waste like this summer like we're. Gonna go Our separate

1680
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,159
waste that's why, i'm surprised, You were like oh yeah,

1681
01:19:58,199 --> 01:19:59,680
durane's gonna, go balls out.

1682
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:00,520
Speaker 1: You said though you.

1683
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: Made the case for, me he it's a cliche, but

1684
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,039
like he loves ball like, he just plays there.

1685
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 3: Ball but he also knows that he has to finish

1686
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:09,479
on his own terms, And in his own way like

1687
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,119
does he want to like does he, want to give

1688
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,439
you know everything he's got at this stage over the

1689
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,239
last ten games of the season to, make some let's

1690
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:22,439
be honest pointless attempt in the in the play in

1691
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,680
to risk injury and then go into the summer with

1692
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,399
major uncertainties knowing full well that that's, when he, can

1693
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,439
you know quote unquote he. CAN choose his next team

1694
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,119
i don't. KNOW the answer to that i just that would.

1695
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,079
Speaker 2: Be on The scale, of THINGS that i'm doubting, like

1696
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:42,159
i Just Don't have like the kevin durant aspect and

1697
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:45,640
of his performance. LEVEL would be THE least i just

1698
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,920
don't i don't Know how to apply what i've seen

1699
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,920
to like the, SHORT term picture for them i think

1700
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,199
it's probably just even. If, THEY'VE discovered Some things look

1701
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,560
i think bud Leaning Into just like when, Kevin DURANT'S

1702
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,159
on the bench like i think we've Just objectively Seen More,

1703
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:02,520
Of Oh, it's devin booker tias jones and Like a bunch.

1704
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,640
Of like oso's in there there's, a bunch Of Defensive,

1705
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,840
versatility WHETHER it's cody martin who, i want to be

1706
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,159
clear is, not necessarily been good offensively like, His four

1707
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:11,159
games with them like he's.

1708
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: DONE some nice. Defensive, things i like, that okay.

1709
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 2: That's a blueprint but like you Didn't, tap into that

1710
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,359
until march and that's a problem when. You're gonna have

1711
01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:20,640
to win and we've yet to see a, ten seed

1712
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,600
make the playoffs so. THEY would be the first i

1713
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,520
guess you could look at the top, of, the Roster And,

1714
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,760
Say Oh because, kevin durant devin booker here. They Can

1715
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,399
absolutely do It but minnesota and the clippers at full.

1716
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:31,399
Speaker 1: Strength Or are.

1717
01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:34,399
Speaker 2: GOOD teams so i'm gonna i think, what we've seen

1718
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,640
is encouraging, and THERE are real takeaways like i think

1719
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,319
they have some scrappier. LINEUPS that They've cobbled together i.

1720
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,640
Like OsO getting more minutes you, Sit like done as

1721
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,239
WELL but it's, Like a i don't know i'm probably

1722
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:47,479
like a four, point TWO probably feels reasonable and i

1723
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:51,399
think that's PROBABLY even, high.

1724
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: It's, it's I Think to me why i'm i'm so

1725
01:21:54,119 --> 01:21:56,880
skeptic skeptical if this team is it is not, just

1726
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,840
a rand you know knowing that that'sou suation is about

1727
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,560
to end. In a couple of months it's also like

1728
01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:08,279
you have no, Control over your traffic situation like What's?

1729
01:22:08,319 --> 01:22:10,800
GOING to happen with book i think he's well aware

1730
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,439
that with the, rant on the way out, he's like

1731
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,640
thinking long term going? What the hell is this and

1732
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,000
you can't tell me that these human beings do not

1733
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:23,439
have that in the back of. Their minds at some, level.

1734
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:24,399
Speaker 1: And here's my?

1735
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 2: Thing though what does that what does that have to do? With,

1736
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,840
what we're ACTUALLY discussing.

1737
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,359
Speaker 3: Well because because i think at, the end of the

1738
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,319
day now that this sort of thing has that the

1739
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:34,920
bruck has been pulled out and we know what's about

1740
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,920
to happen and the future. Is, SO insecure or uncertain

1741
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,119
rather i do think that is going to play a.

1742
01:22:43,119 --> 01:22:45,520
PART in their individual performance i think it's going to

1743
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,359
play a part. IN their team oriented performance i think

1744
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:51,039
to the point where can we trust them moving forward

1745
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,840
is sort of like we. Have to bake that in

1746
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:57,600
we have to bake in the fact that there could

1747
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,279
be a scenario wherein we just can't trust, the not

1748
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:04,039
the effort level that's. The wrong word to use.

1749
01:23:04,039 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: That actually might the give a?

1750
01:23:05,039 --> 01:23:08,119
Speaker 2: Shit, factor, might, be, Right yeah right, okay yeah and

1751
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:09,760
you know based off what we've seen, FOR stretches of this.

1752
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:10,279
Speaker 1: SEASON i think.

1753
01:23:10,279 --> 01:23:12,319
Speaker 2: That's fair i guess it just, because it's the eleventh,

1754
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:14,880
HOUR it's the closing kick i would think the give

1755
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,039
a shit. Factor WON'T be an issue but i didn't

1756
01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:18,439
even mean TO.

1757
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,079
Speaker 1: Sound so dismissive when. I was ASKING you that i

1758
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:20,800
guess i was just a little.

1759
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 2: Bit confused about your point is what happens if this

1760
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,199
team loses to in a row now like with then

1761
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:25,920
what like let's see.

1762
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,199
Speaker 1: How they respond from that but.

1763
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 3: You do, raise a good point though Just in, terms,

1764
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,239
of the bell factor right because he's. KIND of the

1765
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,079
constant there. I, Was sort of surprised still i'm not

1766
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:41,439
going to Go. BACK to the whole traine i was

1767
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,000
surprised that just like The overlap between him and, book and,

1768
01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:48,279
people were like oh. Yeah, This IS gonna work yeah

1769
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:50,800
like i still Thought they would win fifty and that

1770
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:54,359
was with like the negative aspect of too much Positional,

1771
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:58,680
Overlap between book and beal so for them to be,

1772
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,680
where they are right now It just what's?

1773
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: The?

1774
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 3: Word i'm looking for Deflated that was the word i've

1775
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,560
been looking for for the past. Five minutes watching this

1776
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:10,159
team it does feel like almost every damn member On the, court,

1777
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:18,520
minus the rooks though. Uh just look consistently deflated that's that.

1778
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,479
Matters to me. AS well, like body language i know

1779
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,760
it's like an inexact science and it's someone something that

1780
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,199
can be really utilized, in, a, very, wrong way like

1781
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,720
oh hey. Guy is shaking his head that means, He's, he,

1782
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,399
hates his teammates. Like no that's that's ridiculous but like

1783
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,680
every time someone fails to, come back, home on defense

1784
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,800
for example every time they, make like a big blunder

1785
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:44,239
look at how they're, all like, just completely deflated giving

1786
01:24:44,359 --> 01:24:49,239
up like looking at. Each other almost like blamey. There's

1787
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:53,000
just something it is the word toxic fair to. Use

1788
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:53,560
here about this.

1789
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,239
Speaker 2: TEAM there's DEFINITELY something toxic i guess i just over.

1790
01:24:57,279 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: This over the winning streak. It just has isn't felt it.

1791
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Just hasn't felt that Way, but you can't dismiss okay

1792
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,119
we're talking. About let's even be general we're talking about

1793
01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:09,359
eleven games worth of positivity here or some more. Ten

1794
01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:12,000
games worth of positivity you don't get to. DISMISS like

1795
01:25:12,039 --> 01:25:13,279
the other sixty.

1796
01:25:13,119 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 3: I just don't think this streak has moved. The needle

1797
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:17,239
for me.

1798
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: Whatsoever let's move, on TO our final, Team and i

1799
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,119
would argue. I'm curious what you think they're the second

1800
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,760
best feel good story, in the League This. Season, Right the,

1801
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,960
portland trailblazers fun they're.

1802
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 3: Fun, and they've found. Something absolutely they Are.

1803
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,359
Speaker 2: More, This IS since february first they're i think They're

1804
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,319
This Is not just. Mickey mouse march for them this

1805
01:25:37,399 --> 01:25:40,279
has been like a. Couple months in the making Their sixteenth,

1806
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:44,439
in offense since, february first eighth in defense. Second and half,

1807
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,039
Court Defense during that time, Danny Avidio has been balling,

1808
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:51,560
Donovan kling has looked great he's played more MINUTES AMID

1809
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:56,119
injuries to Both R. W three and DeAndre ayton they are,

1810
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,560
like this team is like. We know how we feel

1811
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,239
everyone knows in this Podcast How. We Feel about anni

1812
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:04,439
kamara scoot henderson's made some strides this year before he,

1813
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:05,520
was dealing with an injury like they were going to

1814
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,920
Get Some. Pretty goodnutes from JABARI walker this team is

1815
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,159
i Think, you don't have to well. Let's start here

1816
01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:15,279
very quickly do you think that who do you think

1817
01:26:15,279 --> 01:26:18,479
gets the Final. Playing Spot, In the West. It's dallas

1818
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,520
phoenix or? PORTLAND who would you pick.

1819
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 3: I just spent Like ten minutes questioning the suns, And,

1820
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,079
LIKE this is Like okay i want. THE blaziers because

1821
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:33,479
of this i want them TO get in there because

1822
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,239
i think that'd. Be the most fun Part, but it

1823
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:41,039
feels like phoenix just on almost the technicality and just

1824
01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:43,079
the fact that they do have the random booker who

1825
01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:47,000
will like sleepwalk, into twenty five points each that they would.

1826
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,640
APPEAR to be that team i question whether any of

1827
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,520
them should. Get, LIKE a real Shot no i mean the,

1828
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,159
blaciers are deserving of well fans Are, DESERVING of watching the,

1829
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:01,239
blaziers i would rather say because they play. A FUN

1830
01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:03,760
brain of Basketball but i do think. Phoenix is gonna

1831
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,560
take it they.

1832
01:27:04,399 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 2: Have, looked as we record this three games. Ahead in

1833
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:07,960
the lost column that's a.

1834
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:08,520
Speaker 1: Tough gap to.

1835
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 2: Make up at this point phoenix does, have the toughest

1836
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,119
remaining schedule. So there's that to consider there's, also the

1837
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:15,720
element Of though how. Much does portland want this i've

1838
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,279
seen a lot of back, and FORTH with their fans

1839
01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:19,239
and i think it's a void question of why fight

1840
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:21,560
to play and like? Lean into the lottery odds just

1841
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,199
at this rate when you kind OF look at how the,

1842
01:27:23,279 --> 01:27:26,760
nba draft orders shaking up you're not if, they make

1843
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,359
the play in they're not gonna make it, out of

1844
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:30,279
the playans like you're still. Gonna be in, the lottery

1845
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:31,640
and it's like WHAT'S the difference.

1846
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: Between being i guess you could say they're gonna.

1847
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Be twelfth or like thirteenth, Versus, what like a tenth okay,

1848
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,239
Like if it were ninth, like IF you want that.

1849
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:44,079
That's i totally, UNDERSTAND it so short term i think

1850
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:46,279
this is just cool to see, BECAUSE for THE most

1851
01:27:46,279 --> 01:27:48,479
part i still i Could Use. A little less jeremy

1852
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,560
grant i'm not gonna lie like they are doing this

1853
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:55,279
with players, who MATTER beyond this season and i think

1854
01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:58,119
like even they one of the things that could frustrate

1855
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,479
me at times with them is that they weren't playing

1856
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:02,560
fast enough on offense to kind OF make up for

1857
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:07,359
their i guess talent deficit or just like raw playmaking

1858
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:11,239
deficit their Second. In, Transition frequencies in february first i'm,

1859
01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:13,239
only TWENTY seventh in efficiency but i like that they're

1860
01:28:13,239 --> 01:28:16,439
getting out. On the break even more they're still kind of,

1861
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,000
bad in the half court but like they're second in

1862
01:28:19,319 --> 01:28:21,319
the number of plays they generate when it. Comes to

1863
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:24,399
second chance opportunities there's a lot of good things to

1864
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,680
like about, this TEAM to where now do i want

1865
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:28,479
them to hit the?

1866
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:29,079
Speaker 1: Acceleration?

1867
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 2: Button, over THE offseason no, no but i buy like

1868
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,359
when you're trying To, evaluate this team against okay how

1869
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:39,039
many of these guys who are performing or maybe let's

1870
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:43,000
say outperforming your initial expectations Do, you think are realistically

1871
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:45,920
okay let's not assume, this is their current baseline but

1872
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,720
we think they could be a part of the future.

1873
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,720
Of A, Really Good, Team Danny, Avdia Timani. Kamara donovan

1874
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,600
klingen scoot henderson i'm still kind of All Over, the

1875
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,640
place with shaydon sharp, but he's like electric enough and

1876
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,159
the way he could, he hit some tough shots the

1877
01:28:58,199 --> 01:28:58,560
way he can.

1878
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 3: Move, Off the balls too yeah i'm too young to

1879
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,119
like be relinquished right. Now, In terms of playing no.

1880
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:05,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying trade him i'm just, saying, the confidence

1881
01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:08,720
level of oh they have these, long term prospects in

1882
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,079
place like dwop brief given, him.

1883
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,079
Speaker 1: Some minutes, Right now a minute injuries. It's LIKE a

1884
01:29:13,119 --> 01:29:13,560
joke There but.

1885
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,159
Speaker 2: I LOVE to op breathe so i LOOK at this

1886
01:29:16,279 --> 01:29:18,920
Team and i think even i'm curious to see what

1887
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,520
they do because he's, headed into a contract Year But

1888
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,319
the gravity of anthony simon's is. Irreplaceable given the current

1889
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:29,239
personnel so like they probably have between five and seven

1890
01:29:29,319 --> 01:29:32,760
guys who they, Can, point to and say okay we

1891
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,159
don't know who's gonna be the best player on.

1892
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: Our team in three years you probably you, Hope it

1893
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,439
would be scooped. Like that's still the hope but like if.

1894
01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 2: You have to move visions around or like wait, ON

1895
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,279
finding that best player i think you look at all

1896
01:29:46,359 --> 01:29:49,000
those guys and With, the exception of maybe scoot if

1897
01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:52,520
you Decide you, need to scale scoot down you feel

1898
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,560
like these players can be a Part of any iteration

1899
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:57,199
of blazer's Basketball AND with your headed and i don't

1900
01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:00,119
even mean That As, a TO denigrate scoot henderson who

1901
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,680
i think has had A really good year and i

1902
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,079
would actually like to see him play more than he

1903
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:06,800
has so. Like he's EVEN currently playing but like I,

1904
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,600
think if you move scoot it's like an even. MORE

1905
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,239
scaled down row role i don't know how he would

1906
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:14,640
handle playing off of like someone or two people who

1907
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,960
are a notch or two above. Him in the pecking

1908
01:30:18,079 --> 01:30:22,039
order but like that's THE overarching like, Premise that i

1909
01:30:22,079 --> 01:30:23,640
have here like, If you believe in it.

1910
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Like that's a, big, Deal, if.

1911
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 2: You're saying like okay there are these five to, six

1912
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,560
guys that we know like we don't necessarily know like

1913
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,520
what the makeup of our team is, exactly you want

1914
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:32,880
to be but we know that they can. Be a

1915
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,239
part Of it and that's what i'm, buying ABOUT what

1916
01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:37,359
we've seen and i think to, NARROW it down even

1917
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,279
further i buy the defense because you look at the, personnel,

1918
01:30:40,319 --> 01:30:42,880
and it's all right yeah that that largely Makes Sense,

1919
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,760
When You, have timani kamara denny abat like they can

1920
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,479
be fucking huge and.

1921
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 1: Versatile, at the.

1922
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: SAME time yes they can i agree with your point

1923
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,560
and the fact that they can go into this offseason

1924
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,640
knowing full. WELL they. HAD those guys i do i

1925
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,640
think it's fair to still wonder like who? Is that

1926
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,159
number one guy and that's you're gonna have to have

1927
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:10,279
to take some. Time to figure that out but there's

1928
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:11,880
also a part of me that things, the clock is

1929
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,800
still spinning like you're you're not necessarily you can't allow

1930
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,880
yourself TOO much time to like i, don't want to

1931
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,439
say waste but you need to figure out who that

1932
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,960
primary guy. Is gonna be fairly quickly like if you

1933
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,199
don't have the answer to that by like, the TRADE deadline,

1934
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:34,880
next year then i wonder like what the plan is

1935
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,479
gonna morph into compared. To, where, it is now like,

1936
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,560
yeah they're a fun, story they're a fun team but like.

1937
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,319
You also need a direction, you also need to have

1938
01:31:43,399 --> 01:31:46,960
Like a primary guy like afdava. Has played like one

1939
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:50,720
recently can he sustain? THAT over a full season i don't,

1940
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:51,479
know the answer.

1941
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,159
Speaker 1: TO that if he can I did say this to

1942
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:53,880
grant on one.

1943
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,399
Speaker 2: OF our most recent pods i would kill to see

1944
01:31:56,399 --> 01:31:58,760
what Afdia or even like a scoot when you look

1945
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,159
at some, of the struggles they've had like with their

1946
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:02,720
finishing at Points this year.

1947
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,239
Speaker 1: Or for scoot since he, entered the league basically right.

1948
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,159
Speaker 2: Like if there was just like, another shooter on this

1949
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:10,680
team like to open up the floor in. The HALF

1950
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,079
court for them but i think you're that that's that's

1951
01:32:13,119 --> 01:32:15,199
a really good, point about the trade deadline especially because so,

1952
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:19,840
sharp extension eligible this summer, Scoot extension doedgble next Summer

1953
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,680
Like those are the anthony simon's going to do, A

1954
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,119
contractor you're absolutely right.

1955
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:27,199
Speaker 3: Sharpe is like. Already that's. His third season that's insane

1956
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:32,479
that went by so quickly. LIKE his first, three, years

1957
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,239
i was like oh, he's, A, second YEAR guy right,

1958
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:37,399
no but i completely forgot for god that he. Was

1959
01:32:37,399 --> 01:32:38,479
a Third year guy is.

1960
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,039
Speaker 2: He he's one of those there's always those guys where

1961
01:32:41,039 --> 01:32:43,000
you look at the shot and even, when it's not

1962
01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:44,880
going in you, just kind, of feel like all right

1963
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,199
he's gonna shoot thirty seven percent. On real volume from

1964
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:50,039
three he's shooting under twenty Five, percent From three in, march,

1965
01:32:50,319 --> 01:32:52,159
and i'm just, Like no you know what like in terms,

1966
01:32:52,199 --> 01:32:54,000
OF just a complimentary shooter i just.

1967
01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: Trust. That's eventually, gonna go.

1968
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah same look he's never been like a quote unquote

1969
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:02,920
good three point short like first, year thirty SIX percent

1970
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,119
decent and like i thought he'd build on that and

1971
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:07,880
then it's just kind Of regress OF her since but,

1972
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,119
like i agree with you every shot he takes when,

1973
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:14,279
he's got his. Feet plan it looks good, everything about,

1974
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:17,720
that shot released the form. EVERYTHING just looks on point

1975
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,159
i guess it's. Just a, maturation this year. Think again

1976
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:23,479
he's twenty one he's, Not EVEN twenty two yet like

1977
01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:26,680
i have to Assume, that's gonna come to like let's

1978
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,279
have this. Conversation twelve months from now if, This is,

1979
01:33:29,279 --> 01:33:30,319
Still an issue oh boy.

1980
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,199
Speaker 1: I'M gonna paint this picture.

1981
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I buy eight of ten what we've, seen defensively from,

1982
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,760
them myself, Some Questions about you know donovan. Klington's versatility

1983
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,399
on the defense we, know what he does best like how,

1984
01:33:40,399 --> 01:33:42,680
he's gonna handle certain matchups and then some questions about how

1985
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,399
their transition ends up holding, because they're big and versatile

1986
01:33:45,399 --> 01:33:47,600
but they're not necessarily the quickest team. AT getting back,

1987
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:50,520
Their offense i don't know like there are some lineups that.

1988
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,159
Are killing it right now and Just we talked about

1989
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:55,359
what ovdia specifically is, done as like. A scorer AS

1990
01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:58,680
a playmaker i think i have to go, as a

1991
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,800
league average offense which.

1992
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:00,520
Speaker 1: Is basically what.

1993
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,199
Speaker 2: They've been i'm probably more like, a with this current

1994
01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:07,399
personnel like a three to a four in that like

1995
01:34:07,399 --> 01:34:08,840
there are a certain. Line if, that could WORK but

1996
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,800
overall and then i think in their overall vision or

1997
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,640
just their, Overall outlook of a future i'm probably like between,

1998
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,720
a seven and eight overall because even if they reach

1999
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,760
some of those inflection, POINTS that you're talking ABOUT i

2000
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,039
think they like i guess the only way they won't

2001
01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:25,520
reach that inflection point leading into the next trade deadline

2002
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,479
or even let's say, the twenty twenty six offseason is

2003
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,279
they somehow win the lottery this year. Or is our

2004
01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:32,199
Next year we talk about scoot as the MOST, improved

2005
01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:33,640
player in the nba like those are kind of The

2006
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,520
only unless you think. SHARP still has, that ability, i

2007
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,319
just don't you know as an on, ball guy in

2008
01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:39,399
a facilitation.

2009
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 3: It's like a secondary guy like he's he's the guy

2010
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,920
you put next. TO the, ball, DOMINANT superstar i think yeah.

2011
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,359
Speaker 1: I THINK that's totally fair SO i think they're.

2012
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,199
Speaker 2: OVERALL i don't even know I don't even know if,

2013
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:50,600
i WANT to say vision because i don't think that

2014
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,760
they're necessarily close to the actualized version, that they're trying

2015
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,720
to reach. But their their overall situation i'm probably like

2016
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,119
between a seven and eight when you're.

2017
01:34:58,159 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: LOOKING at The long term.

2018
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 3: I think, i'm a little bit lower, a little bit.

2019
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,239
Not much but like SIX.

2020
01:35:05,319 --> 01:35:07,079
Speaker 2: You make me, think i should go lower just because if,

2021
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:09,279
you CAN'T point and, SAY which i can't DO i

2022
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:11,359
would bet that i think. It can be scooted still

2023
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,279
but if, You, can't point and say okay this is,

2024
01:35:13,319 --> 01:35:15,960
the guy that's moving forward they just have so many

2025
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,640
guys that it makes me feel good about.

2026
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Offsetting That a little, Bit So i'll Stick between like

2027
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:21,880
i'll go. I'll, go seven.

2028
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,119
Speaker 3: POINT two, yeah, all right i mean LOOK that's cool

2029
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:28,319
you because i UNDERSTAND the. QUANTITY argument and i don't

2030
01:35:28,359 --> 01:35:30,600
i don't think it's it's a bad one because you

2031
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,560
do want to have like, a small army of guys

2032
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,760
young guys to, go into next season with because it's

2033
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,720
sort of kind. Of gives you more optionality it gives

2034
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,039
you more options, to see who pops like and it's.

2035
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:46,880
More BITES of the apple but i just think, every

2036
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:51,239
one of these guys it's like such a big step

2037
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:55,520
away from being like the primary player that that has.

2038
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,119
ME a little bit cautious I agree with you That

2039
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:01,079
i do still think henderson is like the one, to

2040
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:06,319
REACH it if. Anyone, BECAUSE i clinging defensively sure i,

2041
01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:09,720
agree with everything you said, Like strong as form protector

2042
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,439
like he's. Going to figure that out he's gonna. Be

2043
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,359
like their defensive. Anchor it's gonna be Scowed, LIKE if

2044
01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:19,199
it's not scoot i just don't see who else here can.

2045
01:36:19,239 --> 01:36:20,600
Step up to that plate.

2046
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 2: You Would have to believe that avdo is going to

2047
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,800
have the lowry, marketing TYPE mid career. Explosion and i

2048
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,479
just don't, he does more on ball so it's.

2049
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:30,199
Speaker 1: A little bit more.

2050
01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:33,359
Speaker 2: Intriguing but it's just even If he reaches becomes an

2051
01:36:33,359 --> 01:36:36,000
all star to be in the club like this is

2052
01:36:36,039 --> 01:36:38,079
the guy that we. WANT to structure everything around i

2053
01:36:38,079 --> 01:36:40,439
do believe that You're correct that there's only scoot and

2054
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:41,520
that they don't really have.

2055
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,319
Speaker 3: Another real it comes to mar and. Like is that

2056
01:36:44,399 --> 01:36:45,239
good enough.

2057
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 2: He's so much different as a player that if he,

2058
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,399
WAS to have that explosion i think he ends up

2059
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:51,159
being a lot better than marketing because the stuff he does, defensively,

2060
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:51,479
and on.

2061
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 3: The ball yeah he would need to be better than

2062
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,399
like what.

2063
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,399
Speaker 2: Is his let's yea one hundred percentile outcome for him

2064
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,199
is what a top What He'd probably think that.

2065
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:03,239
Speaker 1: Jamal, murray level of stardom yeah that.

2066
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:05,319
Speaker 3: That actually feels pretty appropriate and.

2067
01:37:05,319 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: If We Know, anything about the denver nuggets that's not

2068
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,119
gonna be good enough. As like the main.

2069
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 3: Stars and that's, the Thing so at best a jibak

2070
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:15,680
chops out as like a second guy on, a good

2071
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:21,119
team at best which just leaves you with that gaping

2072
01:37:21,159 --> 01:37:22,800
hole of. Not having the number one You Know what

2073
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,359
screwed to manti kamara is gonna like take a. Big,

2074
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:26,239
OFFENSIVE leap.

2075
01:37:26,079 --> 01:37:29,319
Speaker 2: Next Year honestly i think Dwop Reef Is gonna be karl.

2076
01:37:29,359 --> 01:37:32,079
Anthony towns with better Defense So maybe it's.

2077
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 3: Him Jabari Parker or Wow, JABARI parker jabari walk wow

2078
01:37:36,039 --> 01:37:41,359
i couldn't, even get. His, name right shots fired yeah it's, Definitely.

2079
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:44,279
THE NEXT up right no i i want to see

2080
01:37:44,319 --> 01:37:46,359
more out of the young guys. For sure Also next

2081
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,279
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