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Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK. Every 29 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.519 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 30 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:34.120 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 31 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.000 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 32 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.680 Good Evening, This is your host Stan Zupanski for the 33 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.959 program True Murder, the most shocking killers in true crime 34 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.200 history and the authors that have written about them. To 35 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:58.319 the people of Olney, Texas, thirty nine year old Farian 36 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:02.239 Wardrip was an upright citizen, a happily married man, a 37 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:06.159 valued employee, and a respected Sunday school teacher. In January 38 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.479 nineteen ninety nine, investigators reviewing the files of three unsolved 39 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:13.719 murders dating back fifteen years came across information linking Wardrope 40 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:18.400 to the female victims, Terry Simms, who was bound, raped 41 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:22.680 and stabbed to death, Tony Gibbs, slashed and sexually assaulted 42 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.319 and left in a bus shelter, and Ellen Blow, who 43 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:29.120 disappeared after a work shift and her decompos decomposing body 44 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.560 found a month later. Clever police snared a DNA sample 45 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.759 from Wardrop which matched the DNA found with Terry Simms. 46 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.800 Wardrop then confessed to the three murders and one more. 47 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.360 Deborah Taylor Wardrop is also a suspect in ten other murders, 48 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.360 but it was sims murder that made him eligible for 49 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.639 the death penalty before the BTK killer, another deadly predator 50 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.360 Body Hunter. My special guest this evening is journalist and 51 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.479 author Patricia Springer. Welcome to the program, and thank you 52 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.080 for agreeing to this interview. Patricia Springer, Thank you, Dan, 53 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:04.919 good to be with you. Thank you. Now, given the 54 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:09.520 gruesome murder murders involved in this case, what made you 55 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.360 to decide to write Body Hunter? Your book about these 56 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.520 murders and the serial killer Fairy and Wardrobe. 57 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.800 Well, serial killers are always of the interest to readers, 58 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.680 and fair and Worldrope story was fascinating because he had 59 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:26.479 confessed to one murder in the nineteen eighties, he spent 60 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:31.919 time in prison, then apprehended and convicted the three additional murders. 61 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:37.120 Right, Well, what put you in a position to be 62 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.639 able to have to do this story? What was unique 63 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.120 about your situation? Are you from this area? Are you 64 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.840 familiar with this What brought you to this story? I'm curious. 65 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.759 Well, it was in the North Texas area, and I 66 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:51.520 live in the North Texas area. 67 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.719 And serial killers are. 68 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.840 We have had several of this part of the country 69 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:04.199 and the story was just rather fascinating because he had 70 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:05.719 served time before. 71 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:11.400 I see now the story is primarily set in a 72 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:17.240 place called Wichita Falls, Texas. What is Wichita like? Where 73 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.720 is it situation in the state and how far away 74 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.160 is it from Fort Worth, Texas. 75 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.639 Wichita Falls is located in the northern part of Texas 76 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:31.439 and Wichitaw County and Wichita County borders on the Oklahoma line. 77 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.000 It's a city of approximately one hundred thousand people. It's 78 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.360 home to Midwestern State University, Shepherd Air Force Base, and 79 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.959 Wichita Falls State Mental Hospital. A lot of oil business 80 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:47.000 is in that area of the country, and it's approximately 81 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:52.000 one hundred and twenty miles from Fort Worth, Okay. 82 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.439 Now the killer subject of body Hunter, as as we 83 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.560 mentioned as Ferry and Wardrope, what was his childhood like? 84 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:58.680 Based on your research. 85 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.199 He was the fourth of nine children born to Diana 86 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.560 and George waldro of Marion, Indiana. His father was a 87 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.040 factory worker and his mother was a homemaker. 88 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:12.519 They grew up fairly poor. 89 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.480 As a child, he often felt lonely and depressed, and 90 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.879 he cried easily. When he complained to his parents about that, 91 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:22.519 they just always said that it was a phase and 92 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:23.680 he would grow out of it. 93 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.279 But he really never. 94 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.920 Grew out of his discontent. He was embarrassed by his 95 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.959 hand me down clothes, and he never felt he was 96 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:38.040 on par with his more affluent classmates. Although Pharah had 97 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.639 some success in sports he played basketball and he was 98 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.759 on the swimming team, he was a failure academically. He 99 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.879 spent most of these school years in special education classes. 100 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:53.680 Then at thirteen he began committing petty crimes like shoplifting, 101 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.800 and then at fourteen he began drinking alcohol and smoking 102 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.839 pot that eventually led him to harder drugs. 103 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:04.279 Like what kind of drugs were we talking? 104 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:06.000 Speed? 105 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.800 Mostly met amphetamine, those types of things, right right. 106 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.279 I found it interesting too, you know, I've read about 107 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.639 a lot of killers. But this story, that the information 108 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.360 that you were able to gather when he was seventeen, 109 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.199 it was I thought a very significant event that you 110 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.079 really effectively capture in your book. What happened with his 111 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.000 family when he was seventeen. 112 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.800 Well, at seventeen, his father had bought him a used car, 113 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.040 just a couple of hundred dollars and he had loaned 114 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.879 it to a friend and that friend had blown the 115 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:45.000 engine in it. When his father learned of that, he 116 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:51.160 was furious at Farren, and he continued his irresponsibility in 117 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.439 his father's eyes, and he demanded that he move out 118 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.319 of the family home. Well, Farren really didn't believe they minted, 119 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.519 but he went upstairs and packed his things in a 120 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.680 sack and started to leave. And then when his mother 121 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.959 called him back, he thought, oh, great, they're just joking. 122 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.879 They're just trying to scare me. But when he returned 123 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.040 to the house, his mother asking for the keys, and 124 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.759 he knew then that he was pretty much on his 125 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.600 own and he was without his family support any longer. 126 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.000 Yeah, it's a pretty traumatic experience for anybody. It's a 127 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.600 pretty interesting piece of information as well. Now, what did 128 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.240 a Farian do in reaction to this huge change in 129 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:32.199 his life? 130 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.319 Well, he dropped out of high school and spent most 131 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:40.480 of the time scoring drugs, just going from odd job 132 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:45.319 to odd job. He never really landed in any big substantial. 133 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.160 Not too long after, at least, when he's a young man, 134 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.079 he joins the army. What was that experience like that? 135 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.040 How much of a help was the army and that 136 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:57.519 type of discipline for him. 137 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.519 Well, really none. He was seeking direction in his life 138 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.480 and so he thought that if he joined the Indiana 139 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:08.920 National Guard that that would help give him some substance. 140 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.519 But what happened is he went off to boot camp 141 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.399 and he decided he didn't like the discipline and the structure. 142 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:18.360 He didn't like the regiment of the army. So when 143 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.879 he was out of boot camp, he decided was going 144 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:24.720 to take any more orders, and so he just never 145 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.480 showed up for any of the monthly. 146 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.439 Duties that he had. 147 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.960 Instead, he would just smoke marijuana and do drugs, and 148 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:41.679 finally the Guard dismissed him with a less than honorable discharge. 149 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:49.159 Right now, he continues again somewhat normal life. He gets married. 150 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.879 He gets married to a woman named Johnna Johnna Jackson 151 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.639 and tell us a little bout this marriage. Was it 152 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:57.759 a good and healthy marriage? Did they have children? 153 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.399 He wasn't a very healthy marriage. What had happened is 154 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.480 that his father had moved the family to Wichitaal Falls 155 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.320 from Indiana, and Farron just followed along. Even though he 156 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.000 really wasn't a part of the family, he still wanted 157 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.360 to stay in contact with them. He met john and 158 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:17.399 Jackson in the bar, and he found her to be fun, 159 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:22.000 loving and spirited. They were married very shortly after they met, 160 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.000 but it was really rocky from the start. He complained 161 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.120 that she wanted she didn't want to do anything but 162 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:30.799 sit on the sofa and watch TV. 163 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:32.240 She didn't want to. 164 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.159 Work, that she just wanted to stay home and be 165 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:38.919 a wife and mother. They fought over his inability to 166 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.320 keep a job and his failure to provide for them, 167 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:48.200 and during her first pregnancy, Farren had ten different jobs, 168 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:51.799 so he was not very good at holding and maintaining 169 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:57.399 a job. His childhood feelings of inadequacy returned and he 170 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.759 continued to abuse drugs and alcohol. After three years of 171 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.039 marriage and the birth of two children, Johna finally filed 172 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:05.600 for divorce. 173 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:15.080 And how did he accept that decision of Jona's as well? 174 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:16.840 How did he react to that as well? 175 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:24.080 Oh, curious decided that he hated Jona. He was very 176 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:29.320 angry and just went further into his alcohol and drugs 177 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:33.360 as a way to cope with the situation that he 178 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:34.519 couldn't do anything right. 179 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:42.000 And what year was the divorce? And finally or finalized. 180 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.480 Oh, I'm not really sure. It was in the nineteen eighties. 181 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:47.919 So mid eighties was it? 182 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:49.320 Yes? Mid eighties? 183 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:54.759 Okay? In Wichita on December twenty one, nineteen eighty four, 184 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.320 near the end of nineteen eighty four, and the first 185 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.240 woman found dead in what Chita for all this, twenty 186 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:04.759 two year old Terry Simms. Her friend Lisa Boond found 187 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:09.279 her good friend Terry. What had happened? How did she die? Well? 188 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.320 Terry was a student at Midwestern State University and she. 189 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:16.039 Worked at a local hospital. She went to her. 190 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.080 House to study, and Lisa was going to come over 191 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.840 lady later to help her study, and so she had 192 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.200 dropped her off gone back to finish her shift at 193 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.519 the hospital. Then all of a sudden, there was a 194 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:30.799 knock at the door, and Terry opened the door and 195 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.720 there was a man standing there. 196 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:33.720 Drenched by the rain. 197 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.360 Before she could do anything, he burst through the door 198 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.039 and began beating her. 199 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.279 Even though Terry. 200 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:44.799 Fought back, he was too strong for he pulled her 201 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.639 pink smock over her head, tossed it on the coffee table, 202 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.279 and then dragged her to the bedroom. 203 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:52.960 He pulled a knife on Terry. 204 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:55.759 And began poking her with the tip of it. She 205 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.080 even grabbed for the blade of the knife trying to 206 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.320 defend herself and was severely cut. In fact, one finger 207 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.960 was severed. He grabbed an extension cord that was laying 208 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:12.480 between the wall and the bed, tied her up, and 209 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:17.519 then he sexually molested her or he raped her. He 210 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.799 drug her to the bathroom and he slumped her body 211 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.200 over the side of the bathtub, and there he repeatedly 212 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:25.519 stabbed her until she died. 213 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:34.720 Okay, now we're talking. You didn't describe fairy and wardrobe. 214 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.360 He's a huge man, and we're talking these victims about 215 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:38.960 one hundred pounds and five foot twos. 216 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:43.960 He's about right six, he's about six six, thin, but 217 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:49.679 still very overpowering to these women that were all of 218 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.200 them were less than five to six. Most of them 219 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.120 were five to two to five four Right now? 220 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:02.000 Uh. A month later, twenty three year old nurse at 221 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:06.840 Wichita Falls, Tony Gibbs disappears. What were the circumstances surrounding 222 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:07.720 her disappearance. 223 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.840 Well, when Tony finished her shift, she was leaving the 224 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.000 Wichita Foss General Hospital when she saw Farren Waldrip, who 225 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.279 was an orderly a new orderly at the hospital. Walking 226 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.200 down the street, she stopped and she asked him if 227 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.879 he'd like a ride. As soon as he got in 228 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.919 the car, he demanded that she drive to a construction 229 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:33.559 site outside of town on a desolate road. He began 230 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.519 yelling at her, telling her he hated her, and he 231 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:41.639 really didn't know Tony, he was just angry again, drug 232 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.039 induced and so forth. He said later that his anger 233 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.639 was not directed at her, but directed at his personal 234 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:54.639 situation with his wife. Tony liked Terry Simms was a fighter. 235 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:56.120 She grabbed for. 236 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.240 The door, handled just to get away, and she felt 237 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.000 a sharp pain side, and that's when he had stabbed her. 238 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.759 Then she ran from the car and he caught her, 239 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.080 dragged her through the underbrush to an abandoned, burned out 240 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:15.840 school bus that was there out in the country. Inside 241 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.080 the busshell, he raped her and then flipped her over 242 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.720 and sidomized her. He took his knife and he stabbed 243 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.039 her three times in the back and three times in 244 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.600 the chest. He stepped her bloody clothes under the floorboard 245 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.200 of the bus, and then he took off in Tony's 246 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:37.559 white Camaro. While he was fleeing the scene, Tony was 247 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.120 not dead, and she was crawling trying to get out 248 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.799 to a road, and she died about one hundred yards 249 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.000 from where the bus was. 250 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:52.159 Well. Now, about a month later, Tony Gibbs's body is discovered. 251 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.200 How was she discovered and was there any useful evidence 252 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.240 left at the crime scene. 253 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.200 She was discovered by a Texas Electric serviceman who had 254 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.759 gone out to inspect a transformer that was there in 255 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.720 that area. 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He drove a motorcycle and he was noticed 293 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.000 driving up and down the site where Tony Gibbs's body 294 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.079 had been eventually found. He also drew suspicion to himself 295 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:19.359 because he had a pet wolf and he was walking 296 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.559 the wolf out in that same area again where her 297 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:28.119 body had been located. They accused him of robbing a 298 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:32.559 Southwestern Bell telephone office, but he told them that he 299 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.480 could not have done it because he was in a 300 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.960 field near US Highway to eighty one at the time 301 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.359 that happened to be where the murder was located. So 302 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.079 suddenly Danny Laughlan himself had put him at the top 303 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.759 of their suspect list. He was arrested and eventually tried 304 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:53.680 for Gibbs murder. There was a mistrial with a vote 305 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.079 of eleven to one for acquittal. 306 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.000 Well, to be fair, he was also a prime se 307 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.880 respect because he had information or he imparted information to 308 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.559 people that had previously been only known to the killer. 309 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.200 According to the police, maybe tell us a little bit 310 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:13.640 how he did eventually explain that, but you know, that 311 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.279 would be pretty good reason for police to suspect him. 312 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.759 Oh. Yes, he was bragging, particularly when he was in jail, 313 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.880 and he would brag that he knew about this and 314 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:31.160 knew about that he had just inserted himself into the investigation. Also, 315 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.240 he had been brought in for questioning for the robbery, 316 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.720 and while he was there he learned some things from 317 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.119 police talking and from papers that were laying around that 318 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.759 gave him inside information on the case. And then because 319 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:49.759 Danny Laughlin liked a tension and wanted to think that 320 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.279 he had the inside track on things, he started telling 321 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:57.039 people these incidents, in these particulars of the case that 322 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.680 only a killer would know other than the police. 323 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.000 So he's definitely his own worst enemy in. 324 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.720 This case, for sure, definitely so. 325 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.240 And the police basically thought they really had their men 326 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:12.319 in the where they were focused on him, and that's it. 327 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:18.079 That's right, that's exactly right. In the Gibbs case, they 328 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:23.240 were convinced that Danny Lawflin was the murderer and continued 329 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.319 to think that for a long time. 330 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:31.839 Now. Shortly afterwards after this incident, Ferian moves from Wichita. 331 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:33.559 Where does he go and why? 332 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.759 Well, he moved to Fort Worth and he went on 333 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.720 the pretense of looking for employment. I think it was 334 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.720 just getting a little hot and Wichita falls and he 335 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.599 decided that he'd better take off for a while. But 336 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.240 he said that he had gone to look for employment. 337 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.240 Now a little while later, on March twenty fourth, Debor 338 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.200 and Ken Taylor, who lived in Fort Worth, Texas, are 339 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.880 having a guest together with friends and family at the 340 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.799 home and Deborah disappears. Now tell us about this party, 341 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.599 what was reported to police, and what was their reaction, 342 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:10.640 and did police believe that they had a good suspect, 343 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:13.640 and if so, who was their prime suspect. 344 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.559 They did believe they had a suspect, and they thought 345 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.440 they had a very good suspect. Deborah and Kim were 346 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.839 having a party in their backyard with friends and family, 347 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.119 and Debra decided that she wanted to go to the 348 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.200 local club and Ken said, no, no, We're just going 349 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.279 to stay here, and so Debor decided that she was 350 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:37.799 going to go up to bed. Well, she goes up 351 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.000 and slips out the front door and goes out with 352 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.960 the club alone. When Kim went to bed, he didn't 353 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:48.319 know where Debor had gone, and he didn't realize until 354 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.759 the next morning that she had never come home that night. 355 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:56.440 So by that evening, which was a Monday evening by 356 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.440 that time, he decided that he'd better call police because 357 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.000 he had all family and friends that had been at 358 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.640 the party and asked if they knew where she was, 359 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.119 and no one did. They thought that she had just 360 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:07.839 gone to bed. 361 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.039 It was very unusual for her to be. 362 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.119 Out that late at night. She hadn't even taken her purse. 363 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.799 But after her body was found, Ken had made a 364 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:21.519 statement to the press that it was an animal loose 365 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:24.839 somewhere in Fort Worth and that he had to be 366 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:28.599 found and stopped because he didn't want this to happen 367 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.279 to anyone else. Well, the police didn't believe Ken. They 368 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.279 thought that they were not looking for a stranger, that 369 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:40.200 Ken's story did not add up, and they thoroughly believed 370 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.359 that Ken Taylor had murdered his wife. 371 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:49.400 Now, how long after her disappearance was the body found, 372 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.599 and where was she found or how was she found? 373 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:52.240 And when. 374 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:59.839 It was found a while later, I don't know exactly 375 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.000 how long, but it was decomposed and. 376 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:07.559 She was just randomly found. 377 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.440 And he went down to identify the body, but he 378 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.599 couldn't it was so badly decomposed. She did have on 379 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:16.680 the necklace that he had given her, so he was 380 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.960 certain that that was Deborah, but they really didn't identify 381 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.160 her except through demo records. 382 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:27.480 So the police continued in the next months and beyond 383 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.640 to suspect Ken Taylor and focus their investigation on him 384 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.079 and go eventually even try to file charges against Kent Taylor. 385 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:35.759 Is that what happens? 386 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:36.799 Yes? 387 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.480 Absolutely, for years they suspected Ken Taylor. In fact, they 388 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:46.559 always did until the events that happened later in wichitall Falls. 389 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.880 But they were. 390 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.839 Convinced that it was Ken, and even some of his 391 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.519 family members began to suspect that, well, maybe it was him. 392 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:58.160 The police were so adamant. 393 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:00.960 He was pretty. 394 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.480 Pretty well run through it with the police department and 395 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.319 constant questioning and so forth. 396 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:13.319 Just another casualty out of this. Yeah, now there's another woman, 397 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.519 another victim, Ellen Blaugh, who goes missing. Who is she? 398 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.759 Three weeks later she has found Did police have any 399 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.599 evidence linking these murders at this time? 400 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.920 No, they still didn't. Of course, richital Falls didn't know 401 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:34.119