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<v Speaker 1>A couple of you have texted and said, Hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>are arguing with Matt, but you don't believe Matt would

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<v Speaker 1>post this without the stats.

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<v Speaker 2>To back it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a quick Google search this morning. The stats

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<v Speaker 1>that Matt is relying on here from the sixties and seventies. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>recent statistics have shown that the divorce rate is about

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<v Speaker 1>four percent higher for women who earn more money than

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<v Speaker 1>their husbands, not fifty percent as Matt said. So Matt

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<v Speaker 1>is using outdated information to make his point, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do think it's outdated, and I think it's most.

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<v Speaker 2>Men don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet John Caldera wouldn't mind it if he had

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<v Speaker 1>a sugar baby taking care of him.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing, my friend?

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<v Speaker 3>If that is an offer, sweetheart, we can talk now. Hi, poodle, howdy?

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<v Speaker 3>What man doesn't want his woman to make considerably more

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<v Speaker 3>I need.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, back in the sixties and seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the male ego was maybe more fragile, and the expectations

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<v Speaker 1>of what men were seventeen.

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<v Speaker 4>For twenty five, the desire for a man to sit.

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<v Speaker 3>At home and play video games all day has grown

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<v Speaker 3>exponentially that can only happen if you're If you're someone's

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<v Speaker 3>booho kept man.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, I am available.

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<v Speaker 2>You are well good.

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<v Speaker 1>If any wealthy ladies out there looking for a rather sarcastic,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes interesting man to day, well, I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To oversee you. I want to manage expectations. John, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>My love life is so awful, you know. If there

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<v Speaker 4>are men out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm I'm just looking for the money at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, That's not why I brought John Caldera from the

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<v Speaker 1>Independent Institute on the show. I wanted to bring him

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<v Speaker 1>on to talk about his column today or yesterday in

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<v Speaker 1>the Denver Gazette about changing our primaries in order to

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps maybe someday get a less crazy person elected in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a fair way to say it?

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<v Speaker 4>More than fair?

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of conservatives Republicans have a hard

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<v Speaker 3>time facing political reality. The political reality is right now

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado, an ultra progressive state with socialists in charge

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<v Speaker 3>of every branch of government in every large city. We've

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<v Speaker 3>got to look at a couple realities, and mainly the

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<v Speaker 3>reality is in swing districts. I'm not talking in the

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<v Speaker 3>rural areas I'm talking about Jeff Go and Rappaho and

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<v Speaker 3>Adams and sadly Dougcoe and al Passo. Now, Republicans are

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<v Speaker 3>not going to win a lot of seats, why because

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<v Speaker 3>of hatred of Donald Trump freak out over abortion, even

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<v Speaker 3>though that's a non issue in Colorado. But it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean that Colorado has turned its back towards fiscal sanity.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think that these.

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<v Speaker 3>The amount of unaffiliated voters has now gotten right up

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<v Speaker 3>to the fifty percent margin, more than any other state

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm aware of. In Colorado could become the first

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<v Speaker 3>unaffiliated or independent state. And that's the reality of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've got it. We've got to get ready for that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, John, We've seen significant increases in the unaffiliated

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<v Speaker 1>voters since we changed to an open primary. So do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that that change sort of allowed people to

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<v Speaker 1>make their own statement when it comes to affiliating with

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<v Speaker 1>one party or the other, Because I think that most

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<v Speaker 1>unaffiliated voters fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Into one of two camps.

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<v Speaker 1>The first is those people don't represent me because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>either further right or further left than the parties that

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<v Speaker 1>we have. Or there are people who used to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the parties, or normally would be in the parties,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're like, look in Colorado, the Colorado GOP is

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute dumpster fire and nationally getting better.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way. I'm a big fan of Bridehorn.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's a stick aculate lady, full of character

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<v Speaker 3>and doing the right stuff. But here's here's the political reality.

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<v Speaker 3>And tell me if you think I'm wrong. In the

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<v Speaker 3>near future, the next ten, maybe twenty years, Colorado is

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<v Speaker 3>not going to become a anti abortion state, or an

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<v Speaker 3>anti weed state, or an anti gay state, or an

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<v Speaker 3>anti environmental state. These things are off the table. But

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't mean that Colorado is is pro tax, pro regulation,

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<v Speaker 3>pro crime, or pro woke.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are we doing with our primaries and how,

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<v Speaker 1>in your view, can we fix it? So perhaps we

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<v Speaker 1>have better options in the general even in areas where

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<v Speaker 1>we know, like in Denver, our Republican is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be elected mayor full stop.

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<v Speaker 2>You know this, I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>So what could we do so we would have maybe

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<v Speaker 1>less objectionable democrats to choose from Kent theory.

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<v Speaker 4>In twenty sixteen, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Large wealthy guy who in Politico opened up primaries to unaffiliated,

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<v Speaker 3>which means that people who are unaffiliated could vote for

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<v Speaker 3>either in the Republican or in the Democratic primary.

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<v Speaker 4>People like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Now fifty percent of us are unaffiliated, including myself. I

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<v Speaker 3>live in Boulder. There is no Republican primary. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>reason to be registered that way. Last year he put forward,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a flawed initiative, and it had two components.

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<v Speaker 3>One was a jungle primary, where as many people who

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to run in the primary, could you know, five

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans twelve Democrats, doesn't matter, but the top two would

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<v Speaker 3>go would go to the general.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, he had it that the top four would.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to the general and then there'd be this weird

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<v Speaker 3>ranked choice voting, which I'm rather skeptical of, and apparently

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<v Speaker 3>so are most Coloraden's. I think the time is ripe

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<v Speaker 3>to have jungle primaries and the top two go to

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<v Speaker 3>the general election.

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<v Speaker 4>What does that mean? It means in places like.

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<v Speaker 3>Socialistic Boulder, two Democrats will probably be on the final ballot,

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<v Speaker 3>which is fine by me because it's always going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a Democrat anyway. So we'll have our usual socialist,

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<v Speaker 3>but maybe we'll get a bit more moderate of a

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<v Speaker 3>progressive and I could find somebody I could vote for

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<v Speaker 3>that's better than the alternative. In Republican circles, you'd still

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<v Speaker 3>get two Republicans, but in those swing districts, finally, unaffiliated

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<v Speaker 3>candidates who might be anti tax, pro business, anti crime,

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<v Speaker 3>but very moderate on social issues could make it to

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<v Speaker 3>the general election and win. Why is this important Because

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<v Speaker 3>in the state legislature they could caucus with the Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>to make us a business friendly state again, but partner

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<v Speaker 3>with Democrats to protect the social aspects that Coloraden's even

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<v Speaker 3>though many Republicans disagree to protect those social issues.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think this is the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you only want two instead of four?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I believe that one The political reality is Colorado's

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<v Speaker 3>not ready for ranked choice voting has proven last year

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<v Speaker 3>with the with Theories thing going down, initiative going down,

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<v Speaker 3>and also I don't trust ranked choice voting. I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's too many games that could be played. I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's some difficulties there, and the idea to save Colorado

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<v Speaker 3>is to get fiscally sane, unaffiliated candidates who can win

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<v Speaker 3>to the general where they have a real fight.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem, John, and you know this as well as

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<v Speaker 1>I do, is that without the infrastructure of a party,

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<v Speaker 1>it is extremely difficult to pull together the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of framework that candidates rely on for a campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I say disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you disagree with that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? And here's why there would be a time when

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<v Speaker 4>I would.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll ask you what infrastructure, what what health?

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<v Speaker 4>Does the Republican Party give? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>The party does two things. The state party on both

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<v Speaker 3>sides cashes checks from the from other parties, the national

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<v Speaker 3>gop et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>And they run primaries.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all they do, the left one Colorado because over

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<v Speaker 3>the last fifteen years, all the other infrastructure they farmed

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<v Speaker 3>out to other organizations and went around the party. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>The party just isn't that important. The infrastructure is important,

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<v Speaker 3>The vote harvesting is important, the registering is important, the

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<v Speaker 3>messaging is important. But the party, I hate to tell you,

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<v Speaker 3>and I say this because I've already gone through by

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<v Speaker 3>five stages of grief over the Colorado Republican Party dying

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<v Speaker 3>years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>But Grandma has passed on.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a new Colorado and we need a new

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<v Speaker 3>way to bring liberty principles to reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you anti ranked choice voting? Because the more

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<v Speaker 1>I read, the more I see the outcomes. This time

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<v Speaker 1>in Alaska, where politicians finally got the message that they

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<v Speaker 1>could not, you know, run against their fellow Republican viciously,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to say, look, you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to vote for him, vote for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it for that very reason, and I think ranked

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<v Speaker 1>choice voting is probably the best chance that any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of right leaning person gets elected in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand your point, and I even though you're wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>you're still a wonderful person. Here's what I would ask

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<v Speaker 3>is check out something called approval voting, which does the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing but without nearly the same convolutions. In Alaska,

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<v Speaker 3>after they screwts things, Republicans did learn how to play better,

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<v Speaker 3>and somebody said, no, I'm stepping out so this guy

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<v Speaker 3>can win.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you really think.

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<v Speaker 3>In the world of Dave Williams type Republicans that that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen here? My last concern with ranked choice

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<v Speaker 3>voting is that the left plays teams much better, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>in like school board races or city council races, where

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<v Speaker 3>the Unions will say vote Bob number one, Susie number two,

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<v Speaker 3>and Frank number three, and they fall in line a

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<v Speaker 3>lot better than conservatives do. And I'm concerned that over

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<v Speaker 3>a certain amount of time, those that it's a pro left,

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<v Speaker 3>pro union outcome that's going to happen, and just because

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<v Speaker 3>Alaska finally got it right, but it wasn't the system.

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<v Speaker 4>It was some of the candidates.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep in mind that, and well it was at San

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<v Speaker 3>Diego they had to yank somebody off the school board

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<v Speaker 3>six months after ranked choice voting because they got the

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<v Speaker 3>calculations wrong. Out in New York, they had to wait

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<v Speaker 3>weeks to find out who was the mayor and who

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<v Speaker 3>was on city council. It's a convoluted process. But here's

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<v Speaker 3>the political reality. Colorado's not ready for it yet. The

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<v Speaker 3>halfway mark is to have first the jungle primaries and

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<v Speaker 3>then the top two go. And then if we want

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<v Speaker 3>to have this conversation of maybe that top two ought

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<v Speaker 3>to be the top four, that might happen in future years.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Very bit off a little too much. Then Colorado was

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<v Speaker 1>And by his own admission, he has been pretty open

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that he thinks they tried to do

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<v Speaker 1>too much with that ballot initiative. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the Denver mayor's race in this last go

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<v Speaker 1>round and when it came down to Kelly Bruff and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnston, I was full thronedly in the Kelly Broff

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<v Speaker 1>count camp and I still believe she would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a much better mayor. That being said, we still get

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<v Speaker 1>two Democrats, one very progressive and one sort of center Democrat.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how that helps Republicans. So if

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<v Speaker 1>we just given up. And when I say Republicans, I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't say Republicans, I should say people to the right

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<v Speaker 1>of center right, because I think there's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody says all the independents are Democrats. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>that because I am now an unaffiliated voter and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people like me are an affiliated voters.

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<v Speaker 3>I've dedicated my professional career for the last thirty five

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<v Speaker 3>years to promote the ideas of individualism and limited government.

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<v Speaker 4>I am an unaffiliated and because.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not only has the party left me, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is the best way for me to be active in

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<v Speaker 3>I get to vote in the Democratic primary now, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and there is an a Republican primary where I live.

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<v Speaker 3>There really isn't one in Denver, And I like to

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<v Speaker 3>say there's a paradigm switch that's just worth chewing on

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<v Speaker 3>for folks, which is is it important that the party

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<v Speaker 3>win or is it important that policies get turned into reality.

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<v Speaker 4>The thought that the party.

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<v Speaker 3>Is going to win in any substantial way in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is unlikely to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>In the near future, the next grade of decades.

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<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean at all that

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<v Speaker 3>there's somebody or that the policies are unpopular. The policies

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<v Speaker 3>are popular. Tabor is popular, property rights are popular, Educational

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<v Speaker 3>choice is popular. And as businesses are going under due

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<v Speaker 3>to incredible energy problems that are going to be happening

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<v Speaker 3>and blackouts will be coming, as the minimum wage is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be destroying small businesses. As these regulations are

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<v Speaker 3>destroying the state, people will say, hey, listen, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a trumpet. I want to protect abortion rights, but this

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<v Speaker 3>has gone to far. I'm not here to help criminals

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<v Speaker 3>have a better life.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>John Caldera, and you can read his work in the

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<v Speaker 1>Denver Gazette or at Complete Colorado dot com, or you

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<v Speaker 1>can just go to the Independence Institute and have a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with him. He's he's a delight and looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a sugar mama.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, I hear a female talk show hosts

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<v Speaker 3>really rake it in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've discussed before, I am currently not on the market.

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<v Speaker 2>John not the same guy, Yeah, same one. I'm fond

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<v Speaker 2>of him. What can I say?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you understand there's two types of people. There are

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<v Speaker 3>divorced people and then there are pre divorced people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I am already a divorced person, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to do that again.

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<v Speaker 2>John Caldera. Joy is always on.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, I've really been enjoying the Mandy

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<v Speaker 4>and dev show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks you as.

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<v Speaker 4>Just a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of fun on IV's YouTube channel. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find us there. I'll talk to you later.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend,