Speaker 1: Hey, this is Michael Osborne from Famous and Gravy Life
Lessons from Dead Celebrities. You're listening to the Surely You
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Speaker 2: All right, D, So you got an idea for the
intro on this one? Yes, I'm thinking. Okay. So I
say who's the Master and you say showy?
Speaker 3: Who the crap?
Speaker 2: No? So like I say who's the Master and you say,
showly you can't be serious? No, no, come on no,
who's the Master? No? Come on? Who's the Master? Sholy,
you can't be serious. See it's good. I don't know
about this one. Who's the Master?
Speaker 3: Sholy?
Speaker 2: You can't be serious? Hello everybody, and welcome back to
the Showly you Can't Be Serious Podcast. Guys, I can't
tell you how much I love doing this POTT with
my best friend in the world. We are talking about
two iconic movies, but we usually wait to pump the
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Tears for Fears Songs from the Big Chair, and I
have come to the realization that when we dive back
into these albums. Some of them are you know, like
things that are near and dear to my heart, and
some of them are things that I kind of were like, okay,
I know that, and then we dive in and it's
it's like when you go back to your high school
reunion and that girl that you were like, yeah, she's
kind of cute, kind of forgettable, but you know, and
then you get to the high school reunion and you're like,
oh my gosh, I'm in love with her. And that
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Speaker 3: Man on a lot of number one hits to talk
about on both.
Speaker 2: Of those albums. Yeah, but that is not what we're
here to talk about today. We are here for part
two of our comparison of The Karate Kid and The
Last Dragon and Guys. Executive producer for this episode is
Sherry Blackford. She is our most recent Patreon member. She
has joined the Shirley Family and we could not be
happier to have her. Guys, if you want to join
the Shirley Family, we have a ton of episodes that
are just for our Patreon members. We dive into one
hit wonders and other novelty songs, and it is a
family that I have grown to love almost as much
as my own true family.
Speaker 3: So yes, Sheerry Blackford's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 2: I've went to church with them for many years. They
moved to New Mexico, so I don't see them as
much anymore. But she is an.
Speaker 3: Eighties movie lover and a good friend. So there's Sherry,
Thank you so much. Number two, Let's make it clear
these are not one hit wonder episode solely, right, right,
because I got barbecued on that the other day you did.
It's one hit Wonders. It's musical novelties, and it's just
songs that we want to cover that we may not
cover the whole album for.
Speaker 2: We want to do it because we want to do it,
and that's why, right, Yeah, that's right. Christmas, we're out
from Blood that day, Okay, So guys, we're back for
part two of our comparison of these two movies. Two
karate movies from eighty four and eighty five to amazing
movies that are obviously both about the martial arts, but
are very different from each other. Right, You've got one
movie that you've got the novice student just meeting his
mentor and his journey to reach you know, not mastery
but competence. And on the other hand, you've got this
movie where the student has met mastery, his his mentor
is saying, you have no more need for me, and
he still wants more, and he still wants more. And
so it's it's a different setup, but two movies that
still grab you by the heart and engage you for
the whole show.
Speaker 3: Okay, So let's flip over to the cast of The
Last Dragon.
Speaker 2: So right off the bat, let's talk about taimakaimak.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it is hard to live the way.
Speaker 2: Of the wis. We've got a couple of one name
leads here. I know he starts karate at the age
of six because his dad was friends with a guy
who has a black belt. His father was Italian yep,
his mother was black Kaimak LaRusso, so at age twelve,
he sees a commercial starring Bruce Lee and he said
he really liked his aura. I thought that was kind
of cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So he becomes he gets involved in karate taekwondo wrestling.
So there's an audition for Barry Gordy's the Last Dragon. Huh,
so listen to the guys who could have been in
this role.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So he comes in.
Speaker 2: He said he did a terrible audition. The only reason
he auditioned was because there were guys in his karate
tournament that we're talking about auditioning. He had no acting
aspirations at all. No, he just he was just like,
maybe I'll go do that. Here's what he was good
at though. Yeah, he was good at karate.
Speaker 3: And he showed up. He thought it was like for
like a karate exhibition. So he shows up in a
gee and they're like, okay, read this scene, and he's like,
I thought I was just going to do some karate movies.
Speaker 2: Would you like to see him with my shirt off? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So here's the thing that they did. Well Okay, Yeah,
it's a kung fu movie, like those Bruce Lee movies.
They get somebody who's really good at kung fu, and
this guy was a phenom, like he was an excellent
karate guy. Now listen, here are the people who also
auditioned for the role of Bruce Leroy, Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he'd have been thin enough seeing this
movie with Wesley Snipes, Yeah, because what was a major
league was what eighty eight, nine eighty nine. Yeah, so
he was still pretty thin back then. I imagine three
years earlier he's even thinner and younger obviously, so.
Speaker 3: He could have been great.
Speaker 2: And he he has martial arts, he's but there's an
innocence that he doesn't have that Taimak has, right. Yeah,
so Mario van Peebles, sure, yeah, Laurence Fishburn, Yeah, Lawrence Fishbern.
By the way, the story that I told you on
Bruce Lee I got from a History Channel episode, Yeah,
narrated by Lawrence Fishburn Morpheus if you will. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: How about Billy Blank's you remember him, yeah, Tybo Master
from the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kickboxing right yeah, wow, okay. And then also here's
the one Denzel Washington. Ah. Yeah, well, I mean he'd
worked with Mike Schultz before, so yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Based on all this talent. They go and hire a
guy named Dan Silk as Bruce Lee Roy.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me more. So here's what I know.
Speaker 3: Timax said that he came in and just crashed and
burned in his audition. He knew how to do the
karate moves. So he and his dad took a road
trip afterwards.
Speaker 2: And his dad was It was his dad and another friend,
and they were trying to cheer him up and he
was just being a depressed teenager the whole way.
Speaker 3: He was nineteen by the way. Yeah, they take this
trip and basically it encourages him to kind of find himself,
find his confidence, and go back and ask for a
second chance. So Dan Silk, who has been lost to
the sands of time what had been hired to be
Bruce Leroy Right, Well, after this little road trip, time
Ax shows up, goes back to the office and begs
for a second chance. And they really liked that kind
of stick toitiveness from him, and so they fired Dan
Silk and they hired time Ak.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the same Dan Silk, but
I just while you're telling me the story, I looked
him up on IMDb. There's a Dan Silk that is
an actor that has one acting credit from nineteen ninety
nine in a movie called Stingers, and that is all. Wow,
there you go, poor Dan Silk.
Speaker 3: You know, there's some interesting stories behind the scenes involving
Time Act.
Speaker 2: They were going to do a sequel to this movie. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He didn't make very much money on the original, and
so when Barry Gordy came to him and said, hey,
what do you think sequel, He's like, yeah, we're gonna
have to rework my contract. And Barry Gordy was up
set and said, screw this, you messed it up. We're
not doing it.
Speaker 2: Forget you. Yeah, that's odd. I mean, still you pay
the guy more. I mean he yeah, no, And he hasn't.
He hasn't done a whole lot since then. I did
see an interview with him that's just a couple of
years old, but he had. He mentioned in there that
lou Venosta had gotten the rights to the story back
just recently and was working on a follow up, and
he's you know, time Ag is like, if it happens,
I'll be in it. I don't know what it's going
to be about. I don't know what it is, but
I will be in it. And he looks like an
absolute stud right now. Yeah, he's still ripped and ready
to rock and all that stuff. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: By the way, one of the things that he did
do post The Last Dragon, I.
Speaker 2: Found this funny. Yeah, he was in a music.
Speaker 3: Video with Janet Jackson. Uh huh called Let's Wait a While.
It's a soft makeout song that basically the whole theme
of the song is you're not getting.
Speaker 2: Any I know that you are a big fan of
those soft makeout songs by Janet Jackson. Ale like Jade Jackson,
you love Janet Jackson. He was. He was actually in
you Remember a Different World, the kind of spouf for
the Cosmish. He was actually in that as like a rapist,
Like he was like a date rape guy because he
wanted to show because he was like, I had no
acting experience when I did this movie. And after this
I went and studied, like he went and studied with
a lot of very well known acting teachers. He developed
his craft, and he's like, I want to go do
something that is completely different than this Last Dragon character
that I played. And so what he ends up playing
is a rappist in a different world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so let's talk about the real star of
The Last Dragon. I'm talking about Vanity.
Speaker 2: You're saying she's the star. I'm saying she is the star. No,
she may be the she may be the eye candy,
she is not the star.
Speaker 3: When you look at her, I mean she looks like
a rock star.
Speaker 2: She's she is incredibly gorgeous.
Speaker 3: She has incredibly gorgeous.
Speaker 2: A lot of lip biting moments in this where she
bites her lip and just makes you go all willied.
Speaker 3: You know, she makes my knees week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she gives you the shiit. Yes, but I would
not still would not call her the star. They start
this movie out with tim Ak doing real karate, greased
up and shining like a Roman god out He looks great,
and then in slow motion his sinsey shoots an arrow
and he karate chops it like there's no technology in
nineteen eighty five to fake that.
Speaker 3: It's he really did it. He really did it. He
give two hours.
Speaker 2: If you gave me one hundred hours, I would never
get that done. Or yeah, in the rag right through
my wrist. That's exactly right. So I was gonna say,
I thought that you were going to say that the
true star of this movie was Julius Carey aka show
nuf Well. You can make a case for him as
well aka the Showgun Harlow.
Speaker 3: This is the triangle of stars here right, Yeah. Time
act does a great job in this movie. His acting
is not great, but his karate is Vanity. They don't
ask her to do a whole lot, but she looks
wonderful and then shownaf is so much over the top.
Speaker 2: And so fun, it just makes it. It makes it
really fun. So Julius Carey, he's six'.
Speaker 3: Five before we, Leave, VANITY i got.
Speaker 2: Something oh, okay, Yeah i'm. Sorry. Yeah and by the, way,
guys we've talked About vanity at least twelve. Times she
came up in Our prince. Episode she came up in
Our Doctor Feel good. Episode she came up when we
were talking about the strip club scene In Beverly hills
cop in our most recent episodes this. Year she herself
has a very interesting. Story But i'm, sorry you go
ahead tell me more About. Vanity SO i thought this was.
Speaker 3: Interesting she had just gotten fired From Purple, rain right
quit or whoever you? Ask, yeah, right, right, right dismissed
by The.
Speaker 2: Prince that's.
Speaker 3: Right suzanne De pass is the one who brings this
script to. Her That's Arry gordy's like right hand. Woman,
Okay and she, SAYS i want you to read a
script that's somewhat about my. Life she had been A
dj and you, know had been you, know involved in
the music industry and was.
Speaker 2: Kind of a popular figure or.
Speaker 3: Whatever and so she brings it To, vanity and she tells,
her if you like the, camera it'll like you, back.
Speaker 2: WHICH i thought was, nice great.
Speaker 3: Advice, yeah, Okay so she goes on she Writes Seventh
heaven for this. MOVIE i didn't know.
Speaker 2: This Adam aunt wrote a song for her in.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty three Called.
Speaker 2: VANITY i did not know.
Speaker 3: THAT i just to listen to.
Speaker 2: That, yeah is this? Sincere is? This? Okay so it's
not WHAT i remember from the, Eighties But i'm just
going through. HERE i, mean she's she's had a love
affair With, Prince she's had a love affair With nikki,
six she probably has had a love affair With Adam.
Aunt you want the, LIST i got it right. Here
we're gonna Throw John wagner in there as. Well, Sure
john got to. Right the soap opera star and the
one hit Wonder Jack.
Speaker 3: Wagner was that Was Nicky six's other?
Speaker 2: Girlfriend was it really that? One? Vanity? Oh all, right
well all, right that's. Okay so here's the list Dated Rick, james.
Speaker 3: Which prince stole From Rick. James, YES i remember, that
Adam Ant Billy. Idol oh that's.
Speaker 2: Right James, DeBarge who we're going to talk about here
in a, minute from the rock Group, DeBarge Not el De,
barge Not El james is, brother, Okay John, Stamos oh,
Yeah nikki six And Anthony, smith who played defensive end
for The La. Raiders they always seem to have at
least one jock in the, group don't. They Anthony, smith
who is a convicted, murderer, kidnapper.
Speaker 3: Torturer oh, gosh. Okay he has an interesting. Story one
of the THINGS i thought was. Interesting they got married
after her conversion To, christianity and he would come home
and she had a bunch of homeless people in their
house who were showering and eating and hanging.
Speaker 2: Out and he was, like you can't do.
Speaker 3: This you can't let strangers in their.
Speaker 2: House you know who you. Are and she lived fast and,
hard had a conversion based upon conversations she had with
none other than the lead actor In Flash. Gordon, Yes SAM. J. Jones,
yeah and unfortunately probably just came along a little too
late because ultimately her kidney's gave out on. Her, yeah
it's her real, Name Denise. Matthews thank.
Speaker 3: You let's talk About Christopher murney for a. Second he's
the guy who Plays Eddie. Arcadian, no we do.
Speaker 2: Want us to look like it wido pig pete in her? Eyes?
No do we then knock it? Off don't bug me
fix chef. Face shut. Up he is such a.
Speaker 3: Character this dude is over the top, Man he's at
eleven this entire.
Speaker 2: Movie he's got to be, though, Right he's. FUN i like. It,
yes this movie is a comic. Book is it is
a total comic, book and it's arguably like the first
superhero movie of quality Since. Superman, WOW i, mean just
think about. IT i, mean he, ultimately by the end
of the movie develops. Superpowers he gets the glow, right
and the and the villain even has a little bit
of superpower. Too it's just that his superpower ends up being. Better.
Speaker 3: Yeah So Dragon.
Speaker 2: Bruce, Leroy he's the superhero of the eighties until nineteen eighty. Nine.
Speaker 3: Wow good.
Speaker 2: Point good.
Speaker 3: Point so let's talk About Julius. Carey we've kind of
putting that. Off he plays show nuff eight.
Speaker 2: Times ohful, Boy oh my. Gosh, okay, yes did you
see That Cruiz light COMMERCIAL i sent to. YOU i. Did,
yes she's not gonna. Come, yeah she's not gonna. Come she'll, come,
man just it's only been like what? Time he's, like, uh,
YEAH i told her at. Seven that's. Eight, okay you
said eight o'clock On. Friday what eight o'clock On? FRIDAY
i said eight o'clock On. Thursday and then the whole
bar is, like she's not. Coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah and he plays a totally different. Character he's like
in a business. Suit you, know it's a nice.
Speaker 2: Guy he was On Briscoe County junior as kind of
the foil sort of For Briscoe County junior For Bruce,
campbell also directed By Mike. Schultz really, yeah how about?
That you? Know he plays like he's like a Mad
max character in. This he came into the audition in.
Costume is that? Right he? Did he? WAS i mean
he's he's six foot. Five he's very strong looking, guy,
right and his hair is amazing and all. That but,
yes he came in like fully decked out in all the,
regalia and obviously he changed his costumes several times, throughout
but there's there's pretty much a shoulder padded theme going on.
Here he's awesome in this and they wanted somebody who
Knew karate to be the villain they, wanted but he
and he didn't know Any but they just, said this
guy is too freaking. Awesome so here's the here's the.
Story because he's the real, actor right, Sure and So
Ti mak has never acted in anything, before, right he
plays it so perfectly because he plays it so, serious
this absurd, thing the showgun To, harlem you know this
who is? It Briuce, Leroy like he's so serious on
this ridiculous part that it makes it so, funny and
Ty mack couldn't quit, laughing, right he couldn't quit laughing
at this. Guy So Julius, carey being the trained, actor is,
LIKE i can't have this guy thinking this is. Funny
it'll spoil the, scene ruin. It so he deliberately starts
to pick on, him like in between takes and giving
him a hard. Time and at First tai mak is
thinking this is, funny and this guy's just being. Funny
but after a while it's. Annoying and then at some
point he jumps up and he's, Like i'm gonna whip your,
ass and all six foot five Of Julius carey takes
off running out of the. Doors is that? Right, yeah
scared the crab out of, it ran. Away he came back, like, look,
MAN i was just just trying to keep you from
laughing at. Me all, Right i'm. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah let's talk About leo O'Brien for a. Second that
is the guy who Plays.
Speaker 2: Richie, Man i'm gonna slap that sucker silly with a
super alienations that. Affections if it wasn't for, me he
wouldn't even know who she. Was shocklate Couped Yellow. Peral
he sells. THIS i, mean he could be the star
of this movie if you. WILL i, mean he really
every scene he's, in he steals that.
Speaker 3: Scene he's really.
Speaker 2: Good AND i told you he's got a famous. Relative
so his older brother is a guy Name guy. O'Brien,
okay but if you listen To rap in the early,
eighties you knew him better As MASTER g because he
was a part of The Sugar Hill. Gang whoa. Interesting,
now what's? WEIRD i, mean LIKE i, said he he
steals every scene that he's. IN i love that he
break dances out of the. Ropes that's. Fantastic but then
he just doesn't do. Much and then in twenty, twelve
he's only forty one years old and he passes, away and,
like there's no information THAT i can find that tells
me what happened to. HIM i don't, Know, Okay i've got.
It oh you. Do.
Speaker 3: Yeah SO i don't know if you've heard about, this
but there's like The curse of The Last.
Speaker 2: Dragon, Right, oh So, vanity, right she.
Speaker 3: Passes away because of kidney failure at age fifty. Seven
Julius carrey he passes away at the age of fifty,
SIX i think in two thousand and, eight due to pancreatic,
cancer right.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah So leo, O'Brien who Played richie bruz Le ory's little, Brother,
yeah he gets shot three. Times, okay and it's just you, know,
whatever street, violence. Whatever but here's the. THING i saw
an interview with him, afterwards and he's like showing his,
scar like so they had to they had to split
his abdomen to get all these bullets. Out but when
they put him back, together something didn't go back the
right way and he died from his surgery from the
removal of the. Bullets oh, no so there you.
Speaker 2: Go it's. Tragic, Well Christopher ernie is still all. Around,
yep you're still. Alive and you got his, Girlfriend Faith.
Prince Faith prince is the name of the Actress Angela.
Picaro she does a. GREATE i love her in. This
she's very lovable and so. SILLY i, YEAH i THINK
i had a little crush on her back in the
in the. EIGHTIES i think My Cindy lapper.
Speaker 3: Face, well clearly she's supposed to be Like Cindy, lapper, Right,
yeah she's got an annoying, voice but she she's cute
but ditsy and kind of dumb and kind of, fun
AND i like. Her she's the one that they're trying
to Convince. Vanity you got to play her, video you.
Know and she's been in a lot of. Things she
was in A fraser episode where she was a woman
with a terrible. Voice but you, know she has kind
of a heartfelt moment in the movie where she's like
you know, What you've been making it on my tits,
too you.
Speaker 2: Know oh yeah, yeah and it's shockingly powerful And i'm.
Out she's the one that ultimately spreads the news that
helps The dojo come and Save Bruce Lee roy when
he's getting. Attacked, yes keep. Hearts this is not a
badly put together. Story it flips.
Speaker 3: Along, yeah she's really nice To Laura, charles the vanity.
Speaker 2: Character so maybe she's just. Tired she just you, know
she's she's. Nice she's a. Sweetart she is sort of
the hooker with a heart of.
Speaker 3: Gold that's, right, Right, okay we got to talk About Mike,
starr the guy plays. Rock, yeah AND i told you
my head. Cannon, Okay so he's a boxer in The
New york.
Speaker 2: Area he's kind of a. Heavy he kind of works
for a bad. Guy later, on he moves To, Providence
Rhode island and becomes involved in The guy In dumb
And dumber and becomes the hitman that's supposed to take
Out Jim carrey And Jeff. Daniels, yeah it just works. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah by the, WAY i also feel Like Bruce Lee roy's,
dad the guy who runs the pizza, joint the guy
who's like the in charge of, like get your fiza
over to our pizza or.
Speaker 2: Whatever now there isn't a hungry soul in this town
doesn't know my.
Speaker 3: Slogan just direct to your, fiza your Daddy green's.
Speaker 2: PIZZA i feel like that guy and mister McDowell's are
like best.
Speaker 3: Buddies they do look a lot.
Speaker 2: Like, YES i see they got The Big. MAC i
got The Big.
Speaker 1: Mack we both got two all beef, patties special, sauce, lettuce, cheese,
pickles and.
Speaker 2: Onions but they use the sesame. Seeds, Bun.
Speaker 3: My buns have no. Seats you also Have Keisha Knight,
pulliam who Plays rudy In The Cosby show in her.
Speaker 2: Debut, yeah she's the little sister Of Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3: Roy, yeah, Okay you've Got WILLIAM. H, macy who's in
this movie for like ten. Seconds it's.
Speaker 2: NUTS i saw. That i'm, like is this is the
only part in the whole? Movie, YES i mean we're
talking About Academy award Nominee WILLIAM. H, macy who's been.
IT i mean he's In, Fargo he's In Boogie. KNIGHTS i,
mean he's in a. Million he's an acting, teacher he's written,
books you, Know, steppenwolf theater. Guy and he is literally
in this movie for about twenty five seconds trying to
Talk vanity's character into Playing arcadians video.
Speaker 3: Right nobody says no to Mister.
Speaker 2: Arcadian, yeah he's gonna get my throat slit. Right and
he's wearing this jacket that if you said to me
pick a more eighties, JACKET i could not do. It
it is patchy with bright colors that are glimmering in the.
Light it's. Absurd And WILLIAM. H, MACY i, mean still
looks Like WILLIAM. H. Macy and so he's wearing this
jacket and ALL i can think, is you can't pull that. Off.
BRO i don't know how they picked you for this,
part but you can't pull that jacket.
Speaker 3: Off he looks the exact same he. Does he, DOES
i got one more guy for. You. Yeah Ernie Rayes, Junior,
yeah he plays the little six year old kid who's
karate fighting the whole time as.
Speaker 2: Well first movie that he's.
Speaker 3: In, yeah he's like the little kid karate.
Speaker 2: Expert. Yeah, WELL i mean he went on to be In.
Sidekicks Gil, gerard It's Gill. Gerard. Yeah, wow it's A
tv show that probably lasted for one, season BUT i
probably watched every episode of right and then he was
he was one of the stunt. Guys when he got,
older he was one of the stunt guys for The
Teenage Mutant Ninja, turtles and everybody liked him so much
that they wrote a character for, him and so he
was a real. Person then in that series he's bad
a man.
Speaker 3: Surf ninja's and He Serf. Ninja he plays the cemetery
warrior In Indiana Jones part.
Speaker 2: Four that's, Right oh my. Gosh, YEAH i saw that
brief little. SNIPPET i was, like was That Ernie? Reyes
and THEN i went to back To Feeld miserable BECAUSE
i was watching The Crystal. Skull, okay so we can't.
Leave there's one more. Guy it's along the line Of WILLIAM. H,
macy but it's even like you see him even. Less.
Okay Chazz palmonary is the guy driving the car when
they Kidnap vanity for the first. Time he's also in
the in the scene Where Bruce Lee roy comes in
and beats up all the. Lagoons Chaz. Palmonary if you
don't know he. Is he's the detective in The Usual
suspects and a million other. Things he's been In Modern
family and and of course he's in A Bronx tale
With robert De niro as. WELL i mean he's, huge
but in this he's the guy driving the car and
the guy getting beat. UP i got one.
Speaker 3: More thing for. You you know the three guys at
The Fortune Cookie.
Speaker 2: Factory, yeah, yeah the some young, boy some dumb some
dumb go some. Guy you know what their names, are
their character. Names, no this is gonna you, know you're
gonna laugh at. This it's who ye like h o
dash y.
Speaker 3: I, okay who ye loui ye and do ye.
Speaker 2: Huey do. Louis, yes are you kidding? Me oh my,
gosh look at. It i'm, like come, on.
Speaker 3: Okay so there's four masters we need to talk about
from these two. Movies, OKAY i want you to rank
them as far as how good a master they. Are,
okay so you've Got he didn't even have a. Name
he's just listed his master in the credits from The Last.
Dragon this Is Bruce Lee roy's. Instructor his teacher is Sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah Thomas.
Speaker 3: Aikeda he tells Him, hey, listen you're gonna get the
glow one of these.
Speaker 2: Days he kind of deceives.
Speaker 1: It you.
Speaker 3: Know it's this hey one when you will know when
the time is right type of.
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah, yeah AND i want TO i want to
talk about that concept a little bit. Later but, yes he.
Totally he says you're, done and When leroy isn't happy
with that, answer he makes up a.
Speaker 3: Story he does the obi wan kenobe thing from a
certain point of, view right, right right, Right. Okay then
you've got Show nuff who's a master yea in The karate.
Kid you've got Mister maaggie of. Course and you've Got
Martin cove who plays Since.
Speaker 2: A Crease Crease John.
Speaker 3: Crees who's the best master of these four, guys.
Speaker 2: Mister, Maggie, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 3: Question, okay we Played devil's advocate for just a.
Speaker 2: Second.
Speaker 3: Okay, now there's some ethical dilemmas with Since A crease.
Speaker 2: Certainly, however.
Speaker 3: None of his students ever showed up where he was
knocked down.
Speaker 2: Drunk.
Speaker 3: Okay and he's promoting physical fitness in the. Gym he's
keeping people off the.
Speaker 2: Streets uh.
Speaker 3: Huh he is teaching people a life skill the other
is a maintenance man who's Grooming daniel With i'm just.
Speaker 2: Kidding i'm not gonna say.
Speaker 3: He's grooming.
Speaker 2: Uh, No, yes he's grooming, bonds eye. Trees he's not Grooming.
Speaker 3: Daniel, yes, anyway Now i'm Just i'm totally. Kidding, obviously
Mister maaggie is the right.
Speaker 2: Answer, YEAH i was gonna, SAY I i'm put my
tongue in my cheek on that, one because that's has
to be what you're doing. Here yeahtering that you mentioned
the getting drunk part because the producers wanted to take
that scene. Out that was the scene they want to. Remove,
yeah and and the director was, like, no this scene stays.
In and he he maintains he thinks that's what Won
Pat marita The. Oscar and you have to have a flawed.
Character you can't have a perfect. Character IT'S i, mean
it's Like obi Wan. Kenobi he is. Flawed he Deceived
Luke skywalker lied to his face from a certain. Point,
right that's. True, yeah that's.
Speaker 3: True, yeah that scene with Mister miyagi where he's talking
about how his wife died during, childbirth and you kind
of get that idea that his wife is gone his
child is, gone And daniel is sort of filling that
the SON i never had.
Speaker 2: Aspect and here's here is an interesting. Thing he says
in that scene that he was in the four hundred
and forty Second Regimental Combat. Team that was a real
team that was composed of almost Exclusively Japanese. Americans they
had home from internment. Camps they're, like can we just
go join the army and get out of the camp
and go? Fight when they went and, fought they ended up,
becoming if not the, most one of the most highly
decorated units in the history of The United states. Military
miyagi has The medal Of. Honor, well in real, life
that combat team had twenty One medal Of honor, awardees
fifty Two Distinguished Service, crosses five hundred and Sixty Silver,
stars four Thousand Bronze, stars and nine four hundred and
eighty Six Purple. Hearts. Wow, YEAH i mean one of
the famous members of the team was ended up becoming a.
Senator he was a guy From hawaii Named daniel In
Yuai and, yeah it's is actually In. Hawaii it is
weird how that works, out but, yes, yes, yes the
idea That miagi has gone and fought for his. Country
that MOMENT i would, understand you, KNOW i. AM i
went and fought for my, country and WHILE i was doing,
that they let my wife and child die in the internment. Camp. Yeah,
yeah it's, moving it's it's it's the things that it's
the thing that good stories are made.
Speaker 3: Of, yeah and there's a very tender moment where Where
daniel's son tucks him into bed and gives him this vowel.
Speaker 2: Respect, yeah it's.
Speaker 3: A really great.
Speaker 2: Moment love. It love that part of the. Movie it's
one of the best scenes in the whole. Movie and
it and The bondzie tree scene are long. Takes they're
very long, takes and with today's attention, deficit it's it's
a little difficult to kind of get through those. Scenes
but for somebody who is our, age who was used to,
that these are scenes that make the. Movie they make
it a cinematic experience instead of just in an adventure.
Speaker 3: Fest absolutely everybody wants a teacher like Mister, miai one
who loves, you cares for, you looks out for, you teaches.
Speaker 2: You so there's a good question if you've got to
pick mentor are you Picking obi One kenobi or are
you picking Mister Miagi and keep in mind you Obi
Wan kenobi is going to sacrifice his life within about
two hours of you meeting.
Speaker 3: Him that's that's a good. Point that's a good. Point
i'm gonna, say Obi, wan just because he looked he
oversaw your upbringing for nineteen years from afar uh. Huh
but it's you can't go wrong with Mister.
Speaker 2: Miyagi, no he. Is he's the definitive mentor in my
book for.
Speaker 3: Sure, okay there's SOMETHING i want to break down with. You,
okay it's been forty years we have lived with this,
movie BUT i want TO i want to break down
the final fight Between Daniel sun And.
Speaker 2: Johnny this is the moment.
Speaker 3: We've been a MOMENT i don't, understand, Right, Okay, Yeah
Daniel lrusso's gonna. Fight oh my, Gosh larusso's gonna. Fight, Yeah,
okay shows up And johnny square. Off johnny's. Megapist you
could see the intensity in his eyes and he's got
his fists up and he's coming right, Right so here we.
Go daniel blocks a couple of, shots gets a good
shot to the. Sternum in one, Point larusy, Right.
Speaker 2: Kape.
Speaker 3: Yeah so the next thing is they line up here we.
Go he Takes johnny down and gives him.
Speaker 2: A karate chop to the back of the head when
he's on the map out and actually kind of Bloods
johnny's nose huh to zero russo which is, Russo, yeah
which is the point that you, Know johnny has to
go to the side and you Have chrease say sweep
the less sweep the lee maybe other than wax, on wax,
off maybe the most iconic line in the entire. Movie
And i'll say, This Billy zepka said that every other
time that they had rehearsed that scene That Marty cove
had given that line in this in this kind of anger,
ridden you, know frustrated. Way but then when the when
the film, rolled he delivered it in this, cold almost social,
pathic unemotional. Way at that that kind of Shocked zapka
at the. Time and so when you see his eyes
tracing creases was back and, forth it's. Genuine it's it's,
like are you? Kidding are you? Serious what is? This
and so it's again, pivotal pivotal moment in the, movie you.
Know and then, yes since right.
Speaker 3: You got a problem with, That, yeah no, sense, right,
Right so he comes, out he takes you, Know daniel's
got an injured, leg so he takes his, foot hits
the injured, leg and then comes back across kicks him
in the.
Speaker 2: Face, yeah, okay, yeah wham, wham sweep the leg and
then back. Across Point.
Speaker 3: Lawrence my question first of all is why does he
do that two more times in a? Row Because daniel
had no chance.
Speaker 2: In defending, it, right he knows what's coming, now but
it was a clear. Advantage daniel could not block that
with his injured.
Speaker 3: Leg, Right, okay so you got two points LaRusso one Point,
lawrence three points to. Win, Now then the next, Point
johnny takes down To, Daniel daniel's roll away and he
gives the karate chop to the. Ribs right, right okay too,
too all, right this is where this is the next
thing that goes. Wrong, Okay so the next time they line,
Up johnny comes hard At daniel and rocks him right
in the face like a punch to the. Jaw, yeah
there is No they don't say illegal, punch they don't
say you are out of. Bounds they make no mention of,
anything but there's no point, given and they don't argue
for the.
Speaker 2: Point, No, yeah it's he kind of just says he says,
something the referee says something that's almost. Unintelligible maybe it's
out of. Bounds MAYBE i don't know what he, says,
right and then just says no. Point but it does
not it does not clearly explain why there was not
a point of that.
Speaker 3: Right so WHEN i go, back Like, ali when she
explains the rules To daniel sent she, said, look everything
above the waist is a. Point stirnham kidneys ribs head
doesn't seem like it's off, limits and he just punches
him dead in the. Face seems like turnament.
Speaker 2: Over johnny.
Speaker 3: Wins but of course then we move on to the
greatest ninety. Seconds let me say this, again the last
ninety seconds of this movie are the best last ninety seconds.
Speaker 2: Of any movie in the. Eighties holy, cow that's a bold.
Speaker 3: Statement think about, it because everything else has some sort of.
Speaker 2: Epilogue, yeah did we TALK i don't remember if we
talked about this in the first part of this but
in the original, script the parking lot confrontation between Mister
miagi And john crease was supposed to. Happen as the,
epilog they finished filming that last ninety, seconds like you talked,
About they've finished filming the end of the, tournament And
John alvilson, SAYS i don't think we can make this, better,
RIGHT i don't think THEY i don't. Think he calls
the producers and he's, LIKE i think we're. DONE i
don't think we need the last. Scene and they, said,
okay don't film the last scene, then and fantastic and
LIKE i did mention this in the last, episode they were,
like oh. Wait everybody was, like why didn't we have
some sort of connection With miagi at the, End and
so that's why they come back, for you, know a
last minute filming of Mister miyagi nodding his, head and
then you have the freeze frame and the cutaway and
all of. That but, yes you're. Right when you see
that last ninety seconds, Happen daniel has got the trophy
And johnny is, saying you're all, right LaRusso, right there's
nothing more to. Say it's. Done it's, done it Is you've. Won.
Congratulations everybody's gonna go home and they're gonna do the
crane kick in the. Driveway that is exactly WHAT i,
did and that is exactly WHAT i guarantee hundreds of
thousands of kids my age did when they finished one.
Speaker 3: Movie of, course you, KNOW i think about that decision
to cut the movie at that, moment right, right crane
kick to the, face you won trophy hoisting Mister miyagi
looking on, proudly the swell of the music kill it
right boom right there. Right we talked about how when
they the first run through A, footloose When Kevin macon,
says let's, dance they wanted to kill that movie at
that moment because that was the winning, moment Like Dean pitchford,
said when they okayed the, dance that was.
Speaker 2: It you.
Speaker 3: Won they decided, no audiences didn't like. That they wanted
to go to the party. Afterwards, right So footlooz goes
to the. Party but in The Karate, kid the parties it's.
Over it's one exactly, now at the beginning Of Karate
Kid part, two we actually get to continue that moment
out in the parking.
Speaker 2: Lot right and what a what better of a, BEGINNING i,
mean because it's late it buttons at the end Of
Karate kid, too, right it gives you the it gives
you the hook that gets set at the end of the.
Movie it's.
Speaker 3: Perfect so the beginning Of Credit kid, two we see
the fight in the parking lot spill, out and you,
know second place. Sucks you, know the fight gets ugly
Between crease And johnny in the parking, lot, right and
then you Have crease busting out car windows with his
hands and messing up his.
Speaker 2: Hands side, note did we talk about this in the last. One,
Yeah so so they they're supposed to in this. Scene
they're supposed to break the, glass like the special effects
guys are to break the glass as he hits, it
like there's a little explosive whatever on the on the.
Glass And Martin cove is, like all, right you guys,
Ready like, Yes and he's like, Okay and he throws
that punch real, glass throws that punch into the. Glass
they hit the detonator button and it doesn't, work and
he literally punches his fist through the glass like his
knuckles are cut and, bleeding and and they're, like, oh oh.
No and if you remember the, scene that's only part one. Again,
yeah he's got to do it again And he's, Like
i'm not freaking doing this. Again, yeah second time it didn't. Work. Again,
yes he literally punched, heat but the second time he didn't.
Punch he pulled his punch a little. Bit and so
you see him hit the, glass but it's he doesn't,
shatter and it's just it's that cutaway and then they
and then they have, him you, know the glass break
and then his fist goes through it from the perspective
of the, car and so have one job breaks it. Last.
Speaker 3: Right the only thing my biggest complain about the beginning
Of Karate Kid part two is the stupid honk that knows.
Speaker 2: What, no that's the hook That i'm talking. About that's
what did you Hate Karate kid? TOO i didn't Hate
Karate Kid? TOO i just did you hate the end
Of Karate kid two.
Speaker 3: With the honking of the news is a little bit,
No and.
Speaker 2: That's what happens at the ends Of. Cozon it's a
little bit, Silly, okay all, Right so anyway back to
your initial idea about the point, system there is this
whole YouTube video that started ten years ago or whatever
that basically said That Daniel son is the, villain, right
and That johnny is the true hero in this, thing,
yes and breaks it down bit by. Bit you, Know
johnny's girl they were on you know a bit of
a break and she's talking AND i, mean if you
go back and, Look daniel is the one that's kind
of picking the fight, initially and he's, like get away from, me,
kid until it goes a little too, far and then he, like,
okay you've poked the bear long enough and these little.
Imperfections but then at the end when when he has
that crane kick to the, face the idea is this
is an illegal kick and he should not have won
the tournament from this illegal. Kick so this YouTube video
comes out of ten years, ago, right and then it becomes,
viral and then people who were involved with the movie
start talking about, it and fans of the movie start
talking about, it and then the guys who directed or
produced A Hot Tub Time machine Have William zabka come
in and become a part of the, movie say, hey
have you seen? This what if we did something where
this was our our, Premise this was our vantage point
Was Johnny lawrence was the victim the whole, Time and
that's how we get the. Series GOBRAKAI i love.
Speaker 3: IT i love. IT i told YOU i made a
little sheet. Here it seems to me that there's plenty
of blame to go.
Speaker 2: Around, okay oh for.
Speaker 3: Sure So i've got my little ahle, chart. RIGHT i
wanted to talk to you about this really. Quick, okay
see if you have five primary groups of people who
are a holes in the kredit.
Speaker 2: KIT. I i know that all of our listeners at
one time or another have said he's being an a,
hole but he's also being an a. Hole but how
many of you have made a?
Speaker 3: CHART i made the, charge and So i've got the
moments that they're an a. Hole AND i also rated
the level of a. Wholeness, Okay so you Have, Johnny Daniel,
crease The Cobra kai, guys And. Miyagi, YES i said, It,
miyagi all. Right So johnny's an a hole when he
shoves the boom box Into daniel's chest and then roundhouse kicks. Ing, okay,
RIGHT i got that as like a six and and
eight on the level of a.
Speaker 2: Wholeness uh. Huh what prompted the roundhouse kick to the,
face by the, Way, Well.
Speaker 3: Daniel sucker punches exactly. Right Daniel sucker punches, him Which
i've got a level eight a, wholeness yeah okay and
eight to an eight, Right, yeah we talked about. This
when you get two eighteen year old boys to get
the testas frum, floor you got a pretty girl, around
you got my. FRIENDS i want to show. OFF i
don't want to be shown. Up decisions are, made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, KID i got to establish WHO i. Am. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah from, There johnny continues his butt kicking Of daniel
due to the soccer, punch, Right daniel tries to sucker
punch him and then, say, hey we're even. Right that doesn't,
work and then you've got soccer. TROUBLE i marked this
down as like a two For. Daniel you, know he
gets tackled and.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah this school sucks as a soccer, Dad i'm
gonna wholeheartedly disagree with you on that because they planned.
It they were gonna they wanted to trip, him and
so that's what. Happened and that's a part of. SOCCER i,
mean you've you didn't play, soccer but you played, football, right.
Right it is a. Trip it is deliberately they're trying
to trip, him but it is done in such a
way that it could be an attempt for the, ball
but the response is to jump up and tack tackle,
him right if you, are if you're in a soccer,
game the guy who does the trip maybe maybe gets
the yellow, card probably just gets a. Penalty the guy
who jumps up and tackles him gets a red, card
ejected from the game and will not play in the next. Game, yeah, yeah,
Question and.
Speaker 3: The guy who trips him is Even, bobby and he's
the one with the most. Niceness, yeah he's the right.
Speaker 2: Yep all.
Speaker 3: Right so let's continue on to the next severe level
of a wholeness, huh Where daniel's riding his, bike minding
his own, business and the Cobra kai pull up in
the motorcycles and they push him down the.
Speaker 2: Hill the worst thing that the cobra kais do in
the whole, deal for. SURE i got that as a second.
Place second. Place they were. Unprovoked that was just being a.
Bully they were just being. Bullies, yes all, RIGHT i
got that level. Eight that's level, eight, okay. Okay now
then this is where if we're on a scale of, ten.
Speaker 3: Ok i'm gonna get to my nine. Moment yeah all,
right all, Right so we go to A halloween, Party
daniels started getting picked.
Speaker 2: On, No daniel's tired of getting picked. On he is
tired of getting picked. On but nobody's picking on him
at The halloween. Party that's. True he is having a
nice little moment with the girl who's cozying up to
him inside his little shower contraption that he's hiding in
like a.
Speaker 3: Coward If daniel And allie just go have a makeout
party the movie, ends there could be probably could. Be, Yeah,
however Mister John lawrence is rolling legal drugs in the.
Speaker 2: Bathroom IF i do, It, Jay.
Speaker 3: Daniel jesus is an opportunity to provoke, him albeit just
a little bit of.
Speaker 2: WATER i, mean come, on it's not life and death.
Here uh, okay all, right so he turns on the.
Water not, Right But i'm gonna go ahead And i'm
gonna listen to what the rest. IS i got a level,
two a whole ness From daniel on. That oh, Yeah
i'm strong disagree on that. One that is a level.
Six that is. Unprovoked nobody's doing anything to. You you
could have walked away and nobody would have had any
idea you were even in the. Room but you, Decide,
Hey i'm gonna douse this guy LIKE i, mean imagine you.
Speaker 3: Mind this is one day after they pushed him down
a hill on his.
Speaker 2: Bike yes it. Is it's in. Response in the legal,
world we would call that a cool down. Period the
heat of passion is no longer in. PLAY i GOTTA
i gotta up the ante on the severity of dowsing
him and HIS i, mean you dowse a J the
j is no good. Anymore that's that's wasted money for
a high school, kid which is a big. Deal.
Speaker 3: Right so Then daniel calls is a four car pile
up in the high school parking, lot WHICH i got
a level four.
Speaker 2: On, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: The skeletons chase him down and now here you, go
they're gonna kill.
Speaker 2: Him, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: Mean according to the writer of The Karate, kid they
are out for. Blood this when they're going to kill.
Speaker 2: Him had he Had lawrence delivered the kick to the, face,
yes it would have been it would have probably been
a death, knell right. Exactly SO i got a level
Ten johnny on that.
Speaker 3: One, OKAY i got a level nine on The Cobra
kai because they're holding him. Up, look can't even hold himself.
Up he's had, Enough, Johnny i'll decide he's had, enough, man, Right,
okay so you got a level, Nine level. Ten miyagi comes,
in saves the, Day Spider man, Whatever, okay right, now
then this is when We chrease enters the picture, here,
Right chrease Threatens miyagi and his.
Speaker 2: Dojo, okay. Okay in response to the, Challenge, okay, yeah
and all he, SAYS i want you to just leave him,
alone leave him alone for. Training. Truce you're, pushy little.
Speaker 3: Bastard BUT i like.
Speaker 2: It. Yeah, well BUT i mean when they, come when
they go over, there their initial objective is to just, say,
Truce we're not going to fight. Anymore And chrease basically,
says uh, no you beat the crap out of a
bunch of high school, kids old. Man, right we are
not just going to end on that open season on
him and.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right this is Where i'll GET i get.
Speaker 3: ONE i got a level one a hole From miyagi
for Dumping Daniel sun in the cold water while he's
standing on the bow of the.
Speaker 2: Boat, okay but it was. Funny it was. Funny the
funny overcomes.
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, Okay so it's just a level, one, Right. Okay,
now then let's talk About johnny And ali dancing at
the country. Club, Okay johnny looks like he's sincerely trying
to bridge a gap a little bit With. Ali doesn't
like the way things and doesn't like the.
Speaker 2: Look we've got some. Problems we could work through, this uh.
Speaker 3: Huh but he Sees daniel poking through the, window so he, decides,
oh we'll watch, this. Buddy i'm gonna put my hand
on her butt and kiss her and she punches. HIM
i got level seven a wholeness On johnny on that
that sounds.
Speaker 2: Fair that's, fair fair for? Sure all? Right, now then
move through the Tournament.
Speaker 3: Daniel you, Know daniel's mother's not here there to help
him dress, himself and So dutch shoves him while he's
trying to put his.
Speaker 2: Gee onna, cry, man what's the?
Speaker 3: Matter may me not here to? Digestion level? Three not
too bad just to.
Speaker 2: Shove.
Speaker 3: Okay but When chris Tells bobby he Wants daniel out of, commission,
yep that's a level ten From.
Speaker 2: Crease come, ON i can take this.
Speaker 3: GUY i want his acl. Snapped bobby decides to go
through with. It even though begrudgingly he feels bad about.
It i'm, sorry, Man then you've got to sweep the
leg move and you've Got johnny's elbow to the. Knee,
OVERALL i Got johnny's level of a wholeness divided by
the amount of times that he was AN a hole
a six point, six.
Speaker 2: An average of a six point. Six, okay, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: GOT i got the rest of The Cobra kai guys
at a five point, six, OKAY i Got crease at a.
Speaker 2: Five point, three AND i Got daniel at a four point. Zero.
Okay so there's plenty of blame to go.
Speaker 3: Around Although johnny is the HIGHEST a hole.
Speaker 2: Ometer is he getting? No does he get? No like
retraction points for handing the trophy?
Speaker 3: Over and there is a little bit of redeeming value on.
Yeah so although he did just try to snap his
ac up with his, elbow, Right so there you.
Speaker 2: Go that's MY a whole omeitter. Chart all, right ladies and,
gentlemen how do you rank THE a? Holes you don't
need to go into all of. It just tell us
who's the BIGGER a, Hole Daniel son Or Johnny. Lawrence all,
RIGHT i want to talk music with. You for a.
Second oh, yeah heck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay Karate kid is scored by Mister Bill.
Speaker 2: Kanti, yep, hey you got the director From, Rocky you've
got the composer For. Rocky heck. Yeah what do you
think about the music in This it's, Perfect it is.
Perfect it is not. So you don't have any of
the epic songs that you did From. Rocky you don't
Have Gonna Fly, now you don't Have going The, distance
which are JUST i mean those those are pivotal songs
in my. Youth but you definitely have Strong you have
strong thematic music throughout the music that excuse, me throughout
the movie that carries it for. Sure, okay you also
Got Cruel summer By banana, around and we talked about
that in Our best of eighty. Four could not have
picked a better song for that moment in that.
Speaker 3: Movie Cruel, Summer trouble on the soccer field looks bad
from his girl got taken down in front of, everybody.
Speaker 2: Kicked off the soccer. Team, yeah you also have the
Song you're the. Best there's got to be because only
a man and A man's got a A joe At.
Fosito that one is one that was actually not supposed
to be for this.
Speaker 3: Movie, yeah it was Written rocky. Three you know the
song that replaced it In rocky?
Speaker 2: Three, well is it Gotta it's got to be The.
Tiger that's why you have some of the lyrics like
history repeats, itself, right rematch with mister t doesn't really
make a lot of sense in The Kredy. Kid we don't.
Speaker 3: Care it's a great song right. Now it was then
passed on From rocky three To Flash. Dance they were
gonna put it In Flash.
Speaker 2: Dance. Okay you know the song that replaced it In Flash,
Dance Uh, No.
Speaker 3: Maniac By Michael sabella actually was my, head all, Right? Okay,
yeah now the And john Gy elvison's, like this is
too good a. SONG i want it For Karate. Kid,
yeah so they put it in, there no music, Video
they didn't release it as a, single but because there's
so much nostalgia around Karate, kid, yeah it kind of
has its own little cult following note.
Speaker 2: There, yeah AND i mean the fact that they like
they enter the song With ali saying you're the, Best, Daniel,
yeah the, best, Perfect it's. Perfect.
Speaker 3: Now Bill conty wrote the music for that.
Speaker 2: Song do you know who wrote the, Lyrics Ali. Willis
oh my, Gosh Ali Willis Throwback who Are Beverly Hills
cop soundtrack episode Our September patreon, Episode Our best of
eighty four. EPISODE i mean she's all over the. PLACE
i love she wrote theme song For.
Speaker 3: Friends, yeah, yeah. AMAZING i want to talk music with
you From The Last.
Speaker 2: Dragon, okay maybe even more important Than The Last, dragon
because you've got That motown. Influence, YEAH i mean this
is this is Karate kid MEETS. MTV i mean it's, right,
RIGHT i mean you have You've you've got easily three
to four music videos within the movie.
Speaker 3: Itself, okay here's the. THING i think there's only one
great song From The Last. Dragon there's a couple other
songs that catch my. Attention, okay there's a song called
The Last, dragon which is. Good they showed doing THE
i think the final fight Between shownff Andri Lee. Roy,
right you've Got Seventh, heaven which is sung By Vanity,
right she kind of sang that when she did promotional
tours and stuff on talk shows and. Stuff it's not
a great song sung by a great looking. Lady but
it's not a great. Song the SONG i really want
to talk about is The rhythm of The night By.
Speaker 2: DeBarge you, WILL i know that we can then underneath
the net trigs doll just come with me and we
can shag a. Goody you'll be doing five what's the.
Speaker 3: Music dollars in the.
Speaker 2: Excellent and they make it it's an excellent song and
they make it a show piece in the movie. TOO
i mean it is literally it's a music video that
just is, Like, okay push pause on YOUR bcr, There
we're gonna go ahead and show you a music video
now and now back to the.
Speaker 3: Movie, yeah it's really and you know you talked about
in Our Miami vice soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Episode it sounds like the music of middle. Eighties oh,
yeah you, Know oh, YEAH i mean it's one of
the biggest songs of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Five rhythm of The night By DeBarge it's number.
Speaker 2: Three, okay, yeah here you.
Speaker 3: Go here's your top five from the week Of may,
fourth nineteen eighty, five the DAY i turned twelve YEARS
i was, Wondering, YEAH i.
Speaker 2: Turned twelve years old on this. Day.
Speaker 3: Okay One night In bangkok is number.
Speaker 2: Five go check out Our patreon episodes because we cover
that song and it is a great.
Speaker 3: Story don't you forget About?
Speaker 2: Me number four go check Our patreon episodes because we
cover that song and it is a great.
Speaker 3: Story number Three rhythm of The.
Speaker 2: Night number Two crazy For you By. Madonna oh, yeah
that's a good.
Speaker 3: One and number One We are The.
Speaker 2: World, Ah we've got to cover. That we got to
cover that. One yeah, right, yeah here's WHAT i wanted
to tell.
Speaker 3: You. Though the Song rhythm of The night was written
by a lady Named Diane. Warren, okay this is how
she kind of cracked in the. Business, okay she has
written some. Bangers this was kind of her first big success. Though, Okay, Okay,
so LIKE i, said number three hit on The hot one.
Hundred they called her up and, said, hey we need
a song for this movie Called The Last.
Speaker 2: Dragon do you have.
Speaker 3: Anything she's, like, Well i've got this thing That i've
been working. ON i think we can kind of mold
it to your.
Speaker 2: Movie so she gives it to.
Speaker 3: Them it's Called rhythm of The. Night they give it To,
DeBarge which is a motown. Artist now then listen to
the songs that she has. Written, Okay, solitaire which became
a hit For Laura.
Speaker 2: Brannigan. Yep then she Does rhythm of The night By.
DeBarge nothing's going To Stop Us now By, Starship Who
Will You Run? To By HEART I Get weak By Belinda.
Carlisle wow Look away By. Chicago oh my, gosh IF
i could turn back time By Share.
Speaker 3: WHEN I See You smile By Bad, English, Wow Blame
it on The rain By Millie, Vanilly Unbreak My heart
By Tony, Braxton oh my. God AND i don't want
to miss a thing By.
Speaker 2: Aerosmith that's a stellar CUR i mean a third of
those songs would be a iconic music writing. Career that is.
Incredible how about? That that is incredible. GOOD i saw the,
LIST i was, like holy holy. Cows, yeah, Okay i've
got just a few more tidbits that i want to
cover before we hit last judgment and we can jump,
in all, Right. Okay So Last dragon movie was a critical.
Failure critics panned this, movie hated, it but box osfice
success technically, speaking because they only spent ten million to
make the movie and they got thirty three million dollars
on the box. Office but then they released it TO
hbo and it became a cult. Classic the WAY i
saw it ON. Hbo, yeah. Okay Seventh, heaven the disco
where they shot all the stuff, right was built on
a camera mart on fifty fourth and. Tenth one, Day
Diana ross goes to the set and she, says CAN
i buy this for my next? Tour?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay here we. Go last. One Lee roy wears
the same Jumpsuit Bruce Lee Warren game Of death nineteen seventy.
Eight all, RIGHT i got a. FEW i got quite
a few on The Karate Kid ready hit? Me, okay
you know the BONDS i, Logo, yes actually designed By Pat.
Marita oh that's.
Speaker 3: Good, okay, Yep.
Speaker 2: Okay we talked About Patty, johnson martial arts consultant and
referee in the last. Scenes. Yeah, also they had a
guy ON sat Named fumio De mura who was a weapons,
expert a martial arts, expert and he actually Taught Bruce
lee nunchuck. Moves Pat marita's portrayal of Mister miyagi was
heavily influenced By fumio De. Mura marita spent a lot
of time With demurrow Because demurrow was his double for
all the fight Scenes Spider man scene or he fights
the skeletons that Is Fumio, demura and he translated his
experiences with him into not only his attitude toward martial,
arts but also his accent and. Mannerisms, okay love. It
Fumio tomorrow just passed Away april of last. Year, okay.
Okay before this movie, Started Billy zabka had never taken
any martial arts classes at. All was a wrestler in high,
school but after this he continued training and became a
black belt in martial. Arts love it good for, him
and he actually still owns the red leather, jacket WHICH
i would totally buy right. NOW i love that red leather.
Speaker 3: Jacket Billy zabka has the same. PROBLEM i think, that
Like Chevy chase, has everybody he meets on the street
is going to want to fight.
Speaker 2: Him number. One, yeah same. Thing like after you See
Chevy chase And, caddyshack everybody's gonna want to play you in.
Golf no, no, no no no no right, right, YEAH.
Speaker 3: I Know Chevy chase is, Like i'm not that good
of a.
Speaker 2: Golfer billy'sz.
Speaker 3: Apkin he's get his black belt just so he won't
get his butt kicked all the.
Speaker 2: Time it's, hilarious, Okay AND i can't believe that we've
gone on for two episodes nearly now and we have
not talked about catching a fly with. Chopsticks we talked
about eating popcorn with chop, sticks but we did not
catch a fly with chop. Sticks man who catch fly
with chopsticks can do. Anything beginn luck so that they
actually had a fly attached to a fishing line and
that's how they moved. AROUND i thought it was excellently.
DONE i DIDN'T i didn't see no fishing, line, right, Yeah.
Okay The Karate kid was the top rental video of
nineteen eighty. Five nice number, one all. Right Ralph maccio
named his Son. Daniel love? It? Okay one more? Right.
Okay the skeleton fight. Scene they're filming the scene and
it takes take after take after, take and it's just,
like what is the problem, Here and all of The
Cobra kai actors are, Like heymo To mora is hitting
us too? Hard like this? Hurts whoa? Yeah and so,
finally after take after take after, Take fumio goes To
avilson and, says if you let me bring my own,
students this be done in one takee he, Says, okay
they bring In fumio's, students put them in the skeleton,
costumes one take and they're. Done really, yes OH i
never saw that. Before that's. GOOD i like that. Tidbit
there you. Go all? Right are we a final? Judgment
let's final? Judgment, yeah it's the moment we've all been waiting.
Speaker 3: For, okay SHOULD i go?
Speaker 2: First do you go? First? Okay, so to, me this
is a. Mismatch Although Last dragon is an enjoyable, movie
it's a lot of. Fun it's got.
Speaker 3: Great, music it's very. EIGHTIES i have a great time
When i'm watching. IT i Love, VANITY i like Time.
AC i think he does a good. Job but for,
me it's just no. Contest The Karate kid is To
Mount rushmore of eighties. Movies that doesn't take anything away
From The Last. Dragon Last dragon is a great eighties,
movie a lot of. FUN i would own it ON
dvd IF i, Could BUT i, Mean Karate kid's one
of the greatest movies in the nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eighties to, me this is a.
Speaker 3: Landslide Mister, Miagi Daniel, Son Johnny Lawrence, Cobra Kai Kradi kinner.
Speaker 2: All the, way totally understand. THAT i totally understand how
anybody else would feel that. Way, Okay in looking at
these two, movies the analogy that shown brightly for me
was the difference Between superman The movie And Superman. Two Oh,
okay if you're a kid in the, eighties LIKE i,
mean LIKE i, was your experience From superman The movie
is almost completely summed up in the intro scene Of superman,
two like you get all the highlights and then you
get to jump into three villains and campy comic book.
Action Whereas superman The, Movie Richard donner is making a.
FILM i, mean it's, epic it's, majestic it's. Beautiful If
i'm going back AND i want to watch a, FILM
i want to Watch superman the. Movie, OKAY i want
to see a more compelling. STORY i want to see
more compelling. Cinematography that's WHAT i want to go. Watch
IF i want to have a freaking good, Time i'm
gonna go Watch superman, two because even though it's campy
and it doesn't have all of that majestic, stuff it's.
Fun you get three bad, guys you get the extra
long fall Down Niagara, FALLS i mean extra, logue you
get the absurd trip into the fire as the. REVEAL i,
mean it's all just crazy, silliness AND i absolutely love. It,
so If i'm teaching a film class And i'm picking
between these two, movies It's Karate kid all the, way heroes,
journey the student meets his, master goes down to the
greatest or deal and comes out the victor in the. End,
Yes but If i'm gonna watch a movie with my
kids and just want to have fun and, Laugh i'm
picking The Last dragon because it's just, silly goofy dancing
and karate and not a terribly intricate. Plot and you
got these simmorable. VILLAINS i, mean you can't pick a
better villain than show.
Speaker 3: Nuff, yeah it's, great you know.
Speaker 2: Great. Yeah so THEN i have to ask, myself, well
which thing AM i going to more likely? Do AM
i gonna go teach a film class or AM i
gonna watch a movie with my? Family and the answer
Is i'm gonna go watch a movie with my. Family
and so in this particular, SCENARIO i have to pick
The Last. Dragon What, Wow, okay don't get me. Wrong
The Karate. Kid you're, right it's an icon of the.
Eighties it's cinematic. Masterpiece but sometimes you just want to
go have. FUN i get, IT i get it all, right, Guys,
well we want to hear what you. Think is It Kredi?
Kid is it The Last? Dragon are we? Crazy how
do we do on our final? Judgment we want to
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wake up me out before you go.
Speaker 3: Go thanks, guys it's been a lot of.
Speaker 2: Fun we will see you next. Week