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<v Speaker 1>Jump on a bus and head down to Florida where

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<v Speaker 1>you belong.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, get out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of town, so you don't represent our values.

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<v Speaker 2>You are not New Yorkers.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some patriotic millionaires who stepped up. Okay, cut

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<v Speaker 1>me the checks. I mean, just if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be supportive. But maybe the first step should we go

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<v Speaker 1>down to Palm Beach and see what you can bring

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<v Speaker 1>back home. It's the Ricochet Podcast with Charles C. W.

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<v Speaker 1>Cook and myself James Lylax. Today we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about whatever comes to mind and you are going to

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<v Speaker 1>love it. So let's have ourselves a podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump has the option, as the commander in chief

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<v Speaker 3>to compel an adversary to the table, which is precisely

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<v Speaker 3>what he did, and at the end he chose to say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'd rather talk to you at the

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<v Speaker 3>table than obliterate your capability to export oil and fund

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<v Speaker 3>your terror regime.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four. I'm James Lylyx in Minneapolis, Cherles C. W.

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<v Speaker 1>Cook in Florida is with us, and Steven Hayward is

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<v Speaker 1>dead serious about not being on this podcast today. We

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to having him back next week. Charles, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine, Thank you. I didn't just relate that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just relating before you before we went live here,

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<v Speaker 1>that you've been on the Highway and then apparently around

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<v Speaker 1>Disney World for some strange reason. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare this time of the year. How do Floridians actually

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<v Speaker 1>view the influx of people from all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>who come to pay exorbitant prices to be beamed at

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<v Speaker 1>by people in furry costumes and the life I love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they regarded sort of as a pestilent. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>a pestilence. They're beloved.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a big part of the economy, but just

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<v Speaker 2>as important, if not more important, people who come into

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<v Speaker 2>the state pay all of our taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there is that, but there's always that faction that says, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sure they bring in money, they bring an employment, all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it. But you know, they make my

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<v Speaker 1>life incrementally a little bit more difficult, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>hate them and I wish we would pass regulations. But

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<v Speaker 1>then again, that's a state that's generally a blue state,

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<v Speaker 1>and Florida is not that, so I'm glad you're enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're enjoying the tax benefits of everybody who

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<v Speaker 1>went down there. I myself made many pilgrimage to Walt

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<v Speaker 1>Disney World during the time when the child was in

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<v Speaker 1>the Disney life and the age out of that. Thank God,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not want to be one of those Disney

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<v Speaker 1>adults that you see infesting social media. More and more

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<v Speaker 1>and more, they seem particularly sad breed sad. As the

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<v Speaker 1>President might say in all caps with several exclamation points,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what we can possibly say about Operation

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<v Speaker 1>Epic Fury, because I have no idea what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't pretend to the only thing that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be the case is that we're talking to somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure who. I'm not sure whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not there are any political entities that have any power.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure whether or not the IRGC is doing

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<v Speaker 1>things of their own accord from their various cells. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't know. You might what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>Nolan Jurles tell it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know either. I do know that if

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<v Speaker 2>we cut and run now, whether we call a diseased

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<v Speaker 2>fire or not, then we will have in effect told

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians that they can get rid of us anytime

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<v Speaker 2>they like by closing the straits before moves. And that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me to be a big problem and in

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<v Speaker 2>some sense to undercut one of our rationales, which is

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<v Speaker 2>that we wish to deprive bad actors in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of that sort of power. If you recall a very

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<v Speaker 2>good in my view, Marko Rubio's speech from I Don't

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<v Speaker 2>Know ten twelve years ago, he made the point that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons that we can't allow the Iranians

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<v Speaker 2>to have a nuclear weapon, aside from the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they want to use it against Israel, is that once

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<v Speaker 2>you get that, then you have a trump card, as

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<v Speaker 2>it were, And he pointed to North Korea. He might

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<v Speaker 2>also have pointed to Ukraine, which doesn't have that and

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<v Speaker 2>god invaded by Russia. The argument being North Korea can

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<v Speaker 2>now do pretty much what it wants because anytime we

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<v Speaker 2>say we would like it if you would change your ways,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, aha, but we have a nuclear weapon, and

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't want Iran to be in the same boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not quite the same. But if Iran has

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<v Speaker 2>crash the global economy and cause gas prices to go up.

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<v Speaker 2>Then that would be pretty bad. And I really hope

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not going to leave this with that being

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<v Speaker 2>the resolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then I don't see how they can.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you how they could, and I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they should. But how they could is

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people in the Republican parties say to

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<v Speaker 2>the President we would quite like to keep our seats

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<v Speaker 2>in Kong, and people are annoyed because gas prices are

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<v Speaker 2>high when we are bombing them, and the stock market

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<v Speaker 2>goes down when we are bombing them, and Trump, who's

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<v Speaker 2>mean I don't think that will or should happen, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's how it could.

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<v Speaker 1>Happen, right, Yeah, it could. It could well. At least

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<v Speaker 1>a whole civilization didn't die.

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<v Speaker 2>I found that.

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<v Speaker 1>Tweet to be that may be the meanest tweet of all,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was a bit. My daughter sent

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<v Speaker 1>it to me and said, is this something I should

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<v Speaker 1>be worried about? And I said, no, you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>know them. I'm not exactly sure what he says what

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<v Speaker 1>is the civilization that's going to die? Is at the

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Persian civilization that preceded Islam, is at the quote

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<v Speaker 1>civilization end quote of the mullas what is it? And

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<v Speaker 1>if if it is the regime that's going to die,

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<v Speaker 1>then why did he say? I didn't want it to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>But I do love who knows question mark in all

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<v Speaker 1>caps to be the epitome of strategic ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finished with God bless the Iranian people.

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<v Speaker 1>People right, who were going to end. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would have worked on that a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have run by a few people. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not how it goes. And I don't get particularly upset

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and it did seem to concentrate minds wonderfully. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>It's context dependent. That's sort of rhetoric, right. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look back to Truman at the end of World War Two,

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<v Speaker 2>he did threaten the Japanese that we would inflict destruction

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<v Speaker 2>from the air of the sort that has never been seen.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was a bit of a different circumstance. We

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<v Speaker 2>were gearing up to send seven million people touch a

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<v Speaker 2>p so I thought that was a bit over the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the president, but I also didn't worry about

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<v Speaker 2>it beyond being upset by the rhetoric from an American

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<v Speaker 2>president because I didn't think he was going to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>because he, of course wasn't going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. It was quite the weak for maure though. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a spectacular rescue operation which was conducted by setting

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<v Speaker 1>up a base in inside of our own practically, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time we hurled a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon and they're coming back soon and fingers

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<v Speaker 1>are crossed. We're going to have a splashdown, which seems

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<v Speaker 1>archaic now, doesn't it. We're so used to the Challenger

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<v Speaker 1>and the Challenger, so used to the crafts just gliding

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<v Speaker 1>to a stop, these massive bricks that these guys drop

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<v Speaker 1>that orbit managed to pilot through a particular small, little

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<v Speaker 1>ending strip that seemed to be the future, and now

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<v Speaker 1>splash down seems like they're going to get out with

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<v Speaker 1>buzz cut haircuts and then we're going to change the

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<v Speaker 1>channel to I Love to idream a genie. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that this mission has accomplished what it was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to accomplish and what was that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I will very quickly note that it's Friday afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>and they haven't got back yet. But if they get back,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems that it absolutely achieved it was supposed to achieve,

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<v Speaker 2>and what it will have achieved if it is successfully

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<v Speaker 2>completed is remarkable and no less remarkable for the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we have done it before. How long has it

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<v Speaker 2>been since we last went to the moon? Was it

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy two?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty four years, and since then no one else has

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<v Speaker 2>done it. The United States remains the only nation to

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<v Speaker 2>have been And next year or the year after, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going again. Yes, these do and this is great, This

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<v Speaker 2>is great, James great. You know, there was this period

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<v Speaker 2>in around I don't know, two thousand and five to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty maybe where people were quite dismissive of what

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a miracle, which is the Internet and

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<v Speaker 2>the way it's delivered to your hands. And they would say, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the whole world now has the Library of

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<v Speaker 2>Alexandria and their pocket. But and then they would list

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<v Speaker 2>things that we could no longer do. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>a totally fair point. I think it just wasn't fair.

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<v Speaker 2>As an illustration of our supposed decline. They would say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't not have concord anymore, so we can't cross

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic in two and a half hours. We used

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do that, And well, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Moon anymore. We used to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but now we don't and we don't have the Space

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<v Speaker 2>shuttle anymore. And there's some truth to this. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think that it was too depressive as an argument. But

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<v Speaker 2>now we kind of do have the moon again. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if this finishes successfully, we're back in that phase which

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be hibernating for fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree there is more. The geist has the aurar

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<v Speaker 1>of animal spirits about it. Again, the reason we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do those things before, and all the things that people

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<v Speaker 1>said we couldn't do, was not because we locked the

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<v Speaker 1>lest the most the ability to do them. It's because

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<v Speaker 1>we lacked the will, or rather we elected people who

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<v Speaker 1>believed that the will should not be there in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. The concord, I mean, they're economic challenges, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>cramped and uncomfortable and expensive and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Could we have continued with SSTs. Well, there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>controversy here in the United States when we were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to gear up to build SSTs, and eventually I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they were outlawed. So that wasn't a case that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have the tech. We had the tech. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go back to the Moon because we couldn't figure

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<v Speaker 1>a reason to and because we'd lost our enthusiasm and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd lost the initiative and the drive. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you know we couldn't build a base back then

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't have the scrubbers and we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the robots and the rest of it. It's entirely possible

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<v Speaker 1>that whatever we built. I mean, I think sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>had a peace about this NRO. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>on this very day, if we had gone back where

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<v Speaker 1>I now write a weekly piece on the weekends, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>If we had gone back and built a base in

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<v Speaker 1>All Mankind, that's an interesting view of what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>If the Space Race indeed made us build bases to

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty billion in and hasn't gotten any track. And

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<v Speaker 2>rockets don't go into orbit, then he fails. Whereas I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at tweets from the project, the California High Spiled

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<v Speaker 2>Rail project, saying this is great because we've created sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand while paying jobs. Okay, that's not the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>as building a train though they don't actually want to

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<v Speaker 1>No, the money stops to the unions and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of it when they actually finish the train. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>love trains, I do. I love wozling around Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't mean that I think that has to be replicated here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a huge country. I was listening to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>the entire country. Took him forward. He had a four

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<v Speaker 1>not sure Midlands or South or whatever, but that I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just did that. That's why I'm ten minutes late.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did that today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean so, yeah, and so it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't need them.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems every day, but once a month on

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<v Speaker 1>my feed there's a story from somebody in some travel magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>I took the Empire Builder overnight and had a cabin

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<v Speaker 1>and here was my experience. And it's always the same,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always I absolutely had the greatest time. America should

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<v Speaker 1>build more trains. We did have a seventeen hour breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of Montana in the winter, but they

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<v Speaker 1>gave us free peanuts and my room wasn't heated very well.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I I the price you pay. No

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<v Speaker 1>Americans fill out of love with dreams an awful long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago. So what are some other things, though, Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>that we can do? Because I'm you're the one who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the great piece on optimism and cheer, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>other things that we can do that people scoff about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I actually think we should bring back supersonic travel,

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<v Speaker 2>partly because it would be very useful to me. Yes, indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>be how long to fly from Miami to London on

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<v Speaker 2>a supersonic plan About three hours?

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's cramped, I would take that

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<v Speaker 1>And you're a rangy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then I've seen these plans for planes that

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<v Speaker 2>go up essentially into the stratosphere and then they can

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<v Speaker 2>go from London to Sydney in about three hours. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's expensive, but that sounds pretty great too.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to get to England faster because there's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no way to avoid hideous jet lag once you

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<v Speaker 1>get on the other side. And I know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>first world problems. So we can do that. We should

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<v Speaker 1>do that, he says, we could. I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>still build incredibly tall skyscrapers. That is something that we

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<v Speaker 1>can still do and managed to do. New York just

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<v Speaker 1>recently opened a very very tall building for JP Morgan,

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<v Speaker 1>which I believe is actually one of the most hideous

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<v Speaker 1>structures to go up by the designed by the hand

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<v Speaker 1>of modern man in years. It's appalling, but people love

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<v Speaker 1>it and it's a new, big, huge addition. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand exactly why New York continues to grow and add

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<v Speaker 1>the office space that they do, even if the previous

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<v Speaker 1>government was not exactly business friendly. Mundami is not making

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of noises about the worst sort of democratic

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<v Speaker 1>socialist of America, nonsense equity taxes and the rest. What

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<v Speaker 1>are your takes on this? He's been pretty explicit about

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<v Speaker 1>what he's saying and why these taxes are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be done.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody to me, Oh, it's certainly not constitutional at the

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<v Speaker 2>federal level for different reasons than it may not be

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<v Speaker 2>at the state level. The federal government is only allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to do those things the Constitution says it's allowed to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's nowhere in the Constitution that the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>is empowered to impose a wealth tax. The champions of

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<v Speaker 2>that tax are conveniently ignoring this and essentially insisting that

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be done because it has to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the Supreme Court has already been clear

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<v Speaker 2>about this, albeit by implication, and would be again. The

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<v Speaker 2>state question is a little bit more complicated. Certainly, it

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<v Speaker 2>is a horrible idea in New York, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm right in saying that, unlike with the billionaire tax

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<v Speaker 2>that is being proposed federally, which has quickly become the

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<v Speaker 2>multi millionaire tax. You may have noticed, the one that

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<v Speaker 2>Ma'm Danny wants is what's seven hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>or something. Perhaps that's the estate portion of the tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Effectively, I think I think it went from five million

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<v Speaker 1>to seven hundred and fifty thousand for the estate tax right.

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<v Speaker 2>For the state portion, and the equity tax starts pretty

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<v Speaker 2>low by New York standards, given how much it costs

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<v Speaker 2>to live there, So I think this would be a

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<v Speaker 2>real boon to Florida. Once again, the big trend here

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<v Speaker 2>is toward exit taxes. Internally, we've seen ten states now

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<v Speaker 2>proposed exit taxes. Now, exit taxes are unconstitutional. You can

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<v Speaker 2>sort of impose exit and entrance taxes if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it explicitly. So when I moved from Connecticut to Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>we got hit on both ends because Connecticut has laws

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<v Speaker 2>that are neutral but that charge you when you sell

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<v Speaker 2>a house, and Florida has quite high, for example, mortgage

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<v Speaker 2>initiation taxes and that sort of thing. So clearly Florida

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<v Speaker 2>is aware people are moving in, and Connecticut is aware

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<v Speaker 2>that people are leaving, and so they have taxes that

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<v Speaker 2>coincide with those things. What you can't do in America,

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<v Speaker 2>because of the free movement of people and capital within

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<v Speaker 2>its borders, is literally do what East Germany did. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say you're not allowed to leave, or if you leave

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<v Speaker 2>the state, we will charge you this or that tax.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is in effect what ma'm Dini is aiming at.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really am not trying to be hyperbolic when

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<v Speaker 2>I say this. I do get the impression with him

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<v Speaker 2>and some others that if they could build a wall,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd do it. If you heard Kathy Hokel complaining about

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<v Speaker 2>people moving to Florida and being unpatriotic recently, she said

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<v Speaker 2>this as if it was a problem. She said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, we live in a country people could just move.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a wonderful thing. I think that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best things about America. It's a free trade,

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<v Speaker 2>free people's zone. If you don't like one state, you

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<v Speaker 2>can move to another. And that doesn't just mean in

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<v Speaker 2>the way I would approve of. I think there are

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<v Speaker 2>good places that have different governments than I would like.

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts is a nice place to live, and if that's

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<v Speaker 2>your worldview, then you probably get on pretty well there,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's good that you can move there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the Blue states are starting to freak out

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<v Speaker 2>about this and actually would like to see it be different, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. The problem is, though, is that every time they

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<v Speaker 1>do this for the name of equity and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of it, they make the golden goods which they fat,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been fattened up for their convenience, scronnier and

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<v Speaker 1>less healthy. The result of all these policies is an exodus.

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<v Speaker 1>Minneapolis is considering a tax on the rich, wealth tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota legislatures considering I believe a wealth tax as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota's not a low tax state. Now. Minnesota used to

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<v Speaker 1>have a great bargain with its people, which is, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to tax you a lot. We are, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get good schools and good roads, good governance,

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<v Speaker 1>no corruption. It's going to be a fair play, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're all gonna benefit. And local corporations pitched right in

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<v Speaker 1>and promised to give five percent of the pre tax

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<v Speaker 1>profits and the rest of it. And for a while

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<v Speaker 1>there it all worked, and everybody talked about the Minnesota miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Tyler More was perfectly happy to move here. But

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<v Speaker 1>consequently what happens, of course, is you get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people to move in for the benefits and don't contribute,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have an elected class of people who

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<v Speaker 1>just continue to take inciphon more money out of the

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<v Speaker 1>productive call class until you've got Well. I'm not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>living in a healthscape here. I'm in a Dina, Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a nice part of town. But on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, there was a shooting right around the corner

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<v Speaker 1>at the La Fitness there by some miscreants who had

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<v Speaker 1>moved in. And yeah, people tend to look at places

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<v Speaker 1>that are safer and cheaper. Why wouldn't they. The exit

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<v Speaker 1>tax just makes me think that they're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>state troopers on the freeways heading out and if they

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<v Speaker 1>see a car with a U haul or too many

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<v Speaker 1>boxes piled on its roof, they're going to haul you over.

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<v Speaker 1>Check your fillings for gold you may be trying to

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<v Speaker 1>smuggle out, or some jewels that you've sown into your clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>like the romanops when they were taken off. Here's some

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<v Speaker 1>more of Mundami's racial equity plan, according to The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Post and accordeit to Perry, who's cheerfully provided it for

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<v Speaker 1>me here in the rundown. You're going to increase the

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<v Speaker 1>number of city teachers who quote receive professional learning in

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<v Speaker 1>implicit bias and culturally relevant pedagogy. Now that's interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>it means we're going to pay more professional lecturers to

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<v Speaker 1>teach the professional lecturers about implicit bias. Charles, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that the school system of New York is riddled

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<v Speaker 1>with people who themselves are absolutely shot through with implicit

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<v Speaker 1>bias and that's the reason for the poor test scores?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think these people are maniacs. And although the

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<v Speaker 2>consequences of it are slightly different, and although it is

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<v Speaker 2>less frowned upon, and it's lack of a direct connection

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<v Speaker 2>to the bad parts of our nation's history, I think

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<v Speaker 2>at route this sort of thinking is no different than

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<v Speaker 2>was routine in the clan. I think that if you

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<v Speaker 2>spend your time obsessing over the immutable characteristics of your

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<v Speaker 2>fellow citizens, then you're a bad person and about American,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to lead us down a dark path.

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<v Speaker 2>And I see this as being not so much an

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<v Speaker 2>do find it revolting. I saw in the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on vacation, but I saw in the Washington

421
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<v Speaker 2>Post there was a piece slamming the Supreme Court, and

422
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<v Speaker 2>just the piece was that this ultra conservative Trump appointed

423
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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court is for the first time in years, refusing

424
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<v Speaker 2>to uphold civil rights. And I thought, that's very interesting.

425
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<v Speaker 2>That sounds bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So I read the headline. Was the headline literally was

427
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<v Speaker 1>the meme women and minorities in this word?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so I read dan and the first and

429
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<v Speaker 2>really only substantial claim that civil rights in America have

430
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<v Speaker 2>been undermined was a reference to the Supreme Court finally

431
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<v Speaker 2>refusing to sanction affirmative action, which is quite literally color blindness.

432
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<v Speaker 1>Right.

433
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<v Speaker 2>You can argue if you want with the reasoning in

434
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<v Speaker 2>that case, I was probably more of the view that

435
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<v Speaker 2>the Civil Rights Act was being violated than that the

436
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<v Speaker 2>Fourteenth Amendment necessarily was, although there are good arguments against that,

437
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<v Speaker 2>one made by Clarence Thomas. But irrespective, it is absolutely

438
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<v Speaker 2>preposterous to suggest that government stopping discriminating on the basis

439
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<v Speaker 2>of race is the civil rights violation. And yet, and yet,

440
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<v Speaker 2>there's a certain class of people, and our fortune, there

441
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<v Speaker 2>are far too many of them in our media and

442
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<v Speaker 2>academia and government who think that the way that you

443
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<v Speaker 2>achieve the values that are inherent to the Declaration of

444
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<v Speaker 2>Independence is to bring people into a room to be

445
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<v Speaker 2>lectured by those who cannot see human beings but for

446
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<v Speaker 2>their skin color, or sexual orientation or what you will.

447
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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's tragedy.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, yes, we'd like to be color blind,

449
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<v Speaker 1>but there's a disparate impact to that. I mean that

450
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<v Speaker 1>flipped at some point, gone into the character was what

451
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<v Speaker 1>they wanted, and that flipped in order to make the

452
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<v Speaker 1>numbers better and to achieve better results now and all

453
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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it's an inversion, of course, as we've said,

454
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<v Speaker 1>of what the original objections were. But you're right, color

455
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<v Speaker 1>blindness is a violation of civil rights because because you know,

456
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<v Speaker 1>as Mendeimi says, because of systemic racism. Now, the idea

457
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<v Speaker 1>that there is systemic racism endemic in New York institutional

458
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<v Speaker 1>educational structures at this point is preposterous. It's it's it's

459
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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy theory. As somebody pointed out, there are all

460
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<v Speaker 1>these systems, interlocking and such that do these things as opposed,

461
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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's never no bad outcome is ever the

462
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<v Speaker 1>fault of the people who are experiencing and manifesting the outcome.

463
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<v Speaker 1>It's all these institutions operating in seamless meshing behavior. So

464
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<v Speaker 1>when you talk about culturally relevant things as he did.

465
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<v Speaker 1>That's one of those phrases that makes you think back

466
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<v Speaker 1>to the sixties when everybody was protesting about what they

467
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<v Speaker 1>were being taught in school because it wasn't relevant. Man,

468
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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't relevant to be It wasn't I can't feel that.

469
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<v Speaker 1>So what they're saying, and what they've been saying all along,

470
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<v Speaker 1>is that we can't teach the American story. We can't

471
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<v Speaker 1>teach the American experience the exceptionalism moment. What we have

472
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<v Speaker 1>to do is to find a way to pluck out

473
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<v Speaker 1>some narrow little things and give those to people, because

474
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<v Speaker 1>they are incapable of understanding anything beyond themselves in whatever

475
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<v Speaker 1>particular clan that may happen to be part of, which

476
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<v Speaker 1>is which is grossly insulting. But the only history they're

477
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<v Speaker 1>going to teach them is sixteen nineteen. They're not going

478
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<v Speaker 1>to teach them anything else, because how culturally relevant is that?

479
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<v Speaker 1>Culturally relevant is the expansion to the West and the

480
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<v Speaker 1>rise of the railroads and industrialization and the rise of

481
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<v Speaker 1>communications and the rest of it. To somebody in New

482
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<v Speaker 1>York in twenty twenty six, I mean, please come on,

483
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<v Speaker 1>get out.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Of here and that he's an immigrant James, Yeah, because

485
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>that means that he came to the United States and

486
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<v Speaker 2>that's what he picked up, and that's a failure. I'm

487
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<v Speaker 2>afraid that is a failure of the system, speaking of

488
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<v Speaker 2>systems to inculcate and I use that word quite openly,

489
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<v Speaker 2>newcomers with the foundational values of the United States. If

490
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<v Speaker 2>we have immigrants who are obsessed with that, that's a failure.

491
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<v Speaker 1>It is a problem. But I don't think it was.

492
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<v Speaker 1>It was stuffed into him, like he's a goose being

493
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 1>fattened up for the FOI gras. I think I think

494
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 1>that that's what he naturally gravitated towards. And in this country,

495
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 1>there's a big in a New York there's a lot

496
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of juice that account that you can get by going

497
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>to that side, because that's the side with virtue, and

498
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the side where everybody's gonna praise you. So for

499
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.119
<v Speaker 1>him to plug into that as classic grifter mode really is.

500
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<v Speaker 1>But he also said he wants a public school curriculum

501
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>that reflects the diversity of families and communities. Okay, we

502
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>just don't with that, And he's demanding anti racism training

503
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>for city government staff to help workers quote combat racial

504
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>discrimination in the workplace, which again, apparently New York is

505
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>just a healthscape after I mean, granted, he's the first

506
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 1>person on the left to govern New York in what

507
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<v Speaker 1>a hundred years? How under these previous under adams, under

508
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>these previous administrations, was that was racism allowed to fester

509
00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 1>to the point where he's got to bring in some

510
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<v Speaker 1>to read them Ibraham Candy books. Every time I use

511
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<v Speaker 1>here to see the phrase anti racism, I know that

512
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.839
<v Speaker 1>somebody's drunk all that flavor rate, because that doesn't just mean, oh,

513
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm against racism. It's a whole set of behaviors and

514
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 1>thoughts and things that you have to do to combat

515
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 1>racism and every single manifestation. And Candy is not a

516
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>deep thinker. Kendy is not particularly the guy your go

517
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to guy for heavyweight analysis or heavyweight to intellectual liftings.

518
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I thought his free ride was over,

519
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>but apparently he's got a new book out and people

520
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>are paying attention to him again for that. Finally, he's

521
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<v Speaker 1>requiring the Department of Housing, Preservation and Development to quote

522
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>insure racial equity is considered in evaluating one hundred percent

523
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>of new proposals for construction one hundred percent. Now, what

524
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 1>that usually means is using small firms that are cutouts

525
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 1>for other people to say that we've got ten twenty

526
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent minority contractors on this one. Actually it's kind

527
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 1>of a shell game where they got a guy up

528
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.079
<v Speaker 1>front and they got other guys in the back. So

529
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>that's more I mean, that's just more money. All the

530
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff that he talks about, none of it is going

531
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<v Speaker 1>to achieve anything except the enrichment of the class that

532
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>comes in and tells you how to think and how

533
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 1>to behave and what not to do. None of this

534
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>solves changes anything. Have you ever been through implicit bias

535
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>training journals?

536
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I have not, and in fact I have made it

537
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>a point of principle to refuse to work anywhere where

538
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>they would put me through that or with any organization

539
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.440
<v Speaker 2>that would require it. Now, obviously this has not been

540
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 2>a problem my National Review, which.

541
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Is institutionally a bit of racist, though it is yet.

542
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh exactly no, but its institutionally against this. But it

543
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 2>has crossed my mind that if I lost my job

544
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 2>or what you will, and I went in a different

545
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.799
<v Speaker 2>direction and I was told to do this what would

546
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I do? And I think I would just have to

547
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 2>say I'm sorry, I'm not doing that. But of course

548
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe I wouldn't. Maybe I would see my children's starving

549
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>mouths and say I better sit through it. Yeah, but

550
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel you see, this is why I think that

551
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:12.319
<v Speaker 2>DeSantis was right in Florida when he signed the bill

552
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>that effectively outlaws this. And I think that those with

553
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>whom I usually agree, who said ah butt the first

554
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Amendment were wrong. I'll tell you why, because I am fortunate,

555
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I have a nice life, and I work somewhere that's

556
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.799
<v Speaker 2>never going to ask me to do this. And I

557
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>am not typical in that respect because most people, increasing

558
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 2>this is the case, work for large companies. More people

559
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>now than ever work for large companies. The number of

560
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>people who work for small businesses has declined and declined

561
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<v Speaker 2>and decline, and large companies are much more likely than

562
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:53.119
<v Speaker 2>other companies to put their staff through this sort of nonsense,

563
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and that makes those who work within those large companies

564
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>somewhat powerless. If you're a middle manager at Unilever, you

565
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>don't have a huge amount of say as to whether

566
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>you have to sit through this. Now, as a general rule,

567
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 2>I am a First Amendment absolutist, and I think that

568
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 2>those companies should be able to do whatever they want.

569
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 2>And that means that if they want to be conservative

570
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 2>or progressive, or Christian or not Christian, find their private institutions.

571
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 2>But we do have civil rights laws in this country.

572
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And if you suppose this goes back to our earlier conversation,

573
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<v Speaker 2>if you said to someone, look, middle manager at Unilever,

574
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<v Speaker 2>you need to sit through a presentation as part of

575
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>your job that tells you why black people are inferior,

576
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it would be abundantly obvious to everyone, given our civil

577
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 2>rights precedence, that that was illegal. You wouldn't say, ah,

578
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.559
<v Speaker 2>by what about the First Amendment? You'd say, well, in

579
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>this case, the civil rights laws control and unless we

580
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 2>change that, then that will continue to be the case. Well,

581
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I do not see any difference between that hypothetical and

582
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>what was going on, especially during and after COVID and

583
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.119
<v Speaker 2>some of George Floyd, where people were being asked to

584
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>sit through presentations that effectively said white people are racist,

585
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the United States of America is racist, and you, white

586
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>middle manager at Unilever are the problem. And Dessantis said,

587
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>we're just not doing that. If we're going to have

588
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 2>civil rights laws. They're going to be applied in both directions.

589
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to be employed. And he got student

590
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>students sutent and I'm not quite sure what the status

591
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>of the laws. And a lot of people I really respect,

592
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to a big free speech guys like me, said well,

593
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>he can't do that. Well, why can't he do that?

594
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Why is it the case that only in wonder because

595
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>if you read the Civil Rights Act, it doesn't say

596
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 2>in one direction. It doesn't say white, Black, Asian, Mexican,

597
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It just says discrimination on the basis of race.

598
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>It just says hostile work environment. It just has these terms.

599
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>So I was very strongly in favor of that because

600
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it was supposed to protect everyone, which is

601
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>what it did. And it also prevents what you're talking about,

602
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>which is this circular grift where the people who are

603
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with this high the people who are obsessed with this,

604
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 2>and they transfer my money, usually between themselves, and then

605
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 2>pat each other on the bag.

606
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I've said this before, but it's a good thing. Nobody

607
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>remembers what I say. I have gone through this kind

608
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.039
<v Speaker 1>of training, and three things stuck out in my mind. One. First,

609
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>they were asking us all to identify ourselves. What we

610
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>identified as? I said, and I said, un North to Cotin,

611
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>because that's the culture in which I was brought up,

612
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>for which I got my ethics, ethos, the rest of it.

613
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 1>And so they smiled indulgently and also chucked me up

614
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to Oh, you're going to be one of those, aren't you.

615
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>The second thing we had to do was play with lego,

616
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>and they just gave us a bunch of lego and

617
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 1>asked us to build something. So of course you're on

618
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>your guard right away. What I'm good? How am I

619
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 1>going to be? Jut? What? So? I designed? I built

620
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 1>a little house. I did, and then when I looked

621
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 1>at it at the end, I said, oh my god.

622
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I grouped all of the colors together. There was a

623
00:33:57.559 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 1>red wall and a blue wall and a yellow wall

624
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>because to me, that seems to be more aesthetically appealing thing.

625
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>And there's a chimney. I've built a segregated crematorium. And

626
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I was terrified They're going to look at that and say,

627
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<v Speaker 1>this guy's built a segregic gated crematorium. But they never

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<v Speaker 1>explained what that was about. Anyway. Finally they showed us pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're supposed to have reactions to these images. And

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<v Speaker 1>they showed us a guy with facial hair can think

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<v Speaker 1>of me like a biker and leathers, and he's holding

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<v Speaker 1>in his hands, he's holding a dowel of sorts like

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<v Speaker 1>a truncheon, and so it was a little circular picture

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<v Speaker 1>around him, and we're supposed to ask what we thought

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<v Speaker 1>about him, and you know, generally people said, well, he

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<v Speaker 1>looks like he looks mean and dangerous. I would avoid him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well then they pulled out on the image and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that this biker, the trothal that he was

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<v Speaker 1>holding was actually the handle of a pram. He was

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<v Speaker 1>pushing a baby cart. And we're supposed to think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't we silly for having made the assumptions that we did.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking, who walks around in the world with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look through the life through a toilet paper

644
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<v Speaker 1>tube where they can't see the entire thing. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be scared of a man in

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<v Speaker 1>leathers who's pushing a baby cart. But this was meant

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<v Speaker 1>to show us how we make assumptions that don't turn

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<v Speaker 1>on to be true. You can't assume. Remember when you

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<v Speaker 1>make an assumption, you make an ass out of you annumption.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was miserable and nobody learned anything, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>just sat through and endured it because the company made

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<v Speaker 1>us do it, and then they could check a box

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<v Speaker 1>and move along. I almost got sent to sensitivity training

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of my tenure at the Star Tribune

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<v Speaker 1>because I committed a gross racial insult that I had

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<v Speaker 1>to grovel, I had to go through. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go through a struggle session in slack I did. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I've spoken about this. I had used a

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<v Speaker 1>phrase I said, in many cafes, small town bars in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see a sign that says Tipping is not a

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<v Speaker 1>city in China. And those signs used to be everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, they still are. When I

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<v Speaker 1>did a Google search for it, the phrase came up

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<v Speaker 1>and ABC story, but it was regarded as racial insensitivity

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<v Speaker 1>and making fun of the act. It was making fun

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<v Speaker 1>of the accent of Asian people. And what's more, it

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<v Speaker 1>was Asian American Journalist Month or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that compounded my sin. And there was something else in

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<v Speaker 1>the piece that was not to the liking I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I generally sort of kind of made fun of everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't really think that I couldn't anyway. So

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<v Speaker 1>the piece got yanked from the paper, scrub from the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>The print version was still out there. The paper apologized

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<v Speaker 1>for the insensitivity in its correction space, and people were

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<v Speaker 1>writing I was following this on local creddits and other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>People were saying, I have no idea what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I read that thing. I have no idea what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so bad. It was a mystery ahead scratched

679
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<v Speaker 1>of all, probably the beginning of my downfall there, So jams.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the piece replaced with? Was it replaced with

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<v Speaker 2>an editorial explaining why it's important for social justice to

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<v Speaker 2>give Asian people out of colleges, which is the literal

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<v Speaker 2>position of IDs who were torturing you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know, I know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it was absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say Tipping is not a city in China

687
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<v Speaker 2>can systematically discriminate against stations in college admissions. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>that's the social justice rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So that I guarantee you that the walk that

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<v Speaker 1>I got a little bit with people at the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post and the New York Times did were anybody any

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<v Speaker 1>gray head there, any veteran journalist with experience found himself

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with these these maoist red guards and just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a mild version of what some guys do.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're told this is crested. We're told that in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, woke is over, it's in retreat. We're

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<v Speaker 1>told that me too is spent. We're told that the

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<v Speaker 1>that the trans mania has subsided has peaked and subsided.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think these things are true? I think they are,

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean they're gone. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are in one sense or not. In another.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are in that the public, which never

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<v Speaker 2>had much time for them, has even less time for

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<v Speaker 2>them now. I think that one of the manifestations of

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<v Speaker 2>that was the victory of the Trump campaign in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, and that we are likely to get some

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic victories in the midterms and probably in the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight presidential election. And when we do, many of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who don't care that the positions that they

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<v Speaker 2>espouse are on popular will once again have control of

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<v Speaker 2>the leaders of power, and they will push this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>irrespective of public opinion. So I think that it has

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<v Speaker 2>peaked in its popular form. We probably won't see as

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<v Speaker 2>much of it from private companies. But I would be

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<v Speaker 2>surprised if we get a democratic president twenty eight come

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<v Speaker 2>mid twenty nine, if we're not looking at the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Justice starting all that stuff up again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't see it with a trans issue. I

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<v Speaker 1>think everybody's backed off that one and realizes that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no gain in it anymore, and that it is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer the vanguard of human thinking and transformation, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the lawsuits will start coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point, that one. The lawsuits is

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of this. That's how things change in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, and good for us. Good for us,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, speaking of the future. Let us conclude

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<v Speaker 1>with this. I think you've made a bombshell announcement the

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<v Speaker 1>other day in Rickshet that five point oh is en route.

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<v Speaker 1>Now those of us who have been with us thing

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<v Speaker 1>since they plugged it in, and I've been here since

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<v Speaker 1>the original day. I remember when Robin Peter came to

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<v Speaker 1>my house as a matter of fact, at one point

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<v Speaker 1>for a party, and I said, why didn't I write

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<v Speaker 1>for you? And they said, yeah, why don't you write

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<v Speaker 1>for us? And then the next thing, I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>am doing this for years. So I was there at

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<v Speaker 1>one point. Oh, I've been there for the various iterations

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<v Speaker 1>of the logo and the typeface and the style and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it. But it's been static for some

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<v Speaker 1>time and out comes five point Oh. I'm a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of occasionally shaking everything up and redesigning. Charles, what

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<v Speaker 1>have you done? What have you done to our beloved Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it will be a big shake up because this

744
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<v Speaker 2>will be the first time in Ricochet's history that Ricochet

745
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<v Speaker 2>is an app, by which I mean to say not

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<v Speaker 2>that it will run immediately on your mobile or though

747
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>there'll be a mobile version in a browser, but that

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<v Speaker 2>it is not going to be built on something else.

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<v Speaker 2>My understanding is that Ricochet has historically been a top

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<v Speaker 2>a CMS and other infrastructure. Currently it's word Press. It's

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<v Speaker 2>no secret, and it won't be. This is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be like Twitter or Facebook or anything else, its own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be built from the ground up as a bespoke, custom,

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<v Speaker 2>self contained piece of software. I have taken that decision

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that it is something of a jump

756
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<v Speaker 2>after a lot of thought. As some people will know,

757
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 2>my business partner passed away six weeks ago, and I

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00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 2>reviewed everything, and I came to the view that Ricochet

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<v Speaker 2>is not best suited to being crammed into someone else's

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<v Speaker 2>software or working within its confines. So there'll be two stages.

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<v Speaker 2>Stage one is the launch of Ricochet with all of

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<v Speaker 2>its legacy data, everything up until the point at which

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<v Speaker 2>it is Ricochet five will be there. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>second step will be pretty aggressively adding new features to

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<v Speaker 2>the new system.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're gonna have to go to big Share to

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<v Speaker 1>find out what those are. And the release date is

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<v Speaker 1>when is it this weekends at next not this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, it will be no later than September thirtieth

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<v Speaker 2>of this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah okay. Good. So we're not going to tease you

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<v Speaker 1>with things that might not appear. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>wet your app Well, we will wet your appetite. But

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you what, right now, Ricochet four point zh

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a great place to be. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm there several times a day. We should also add

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<v Speaker 1>that I understand the trials of building something on top

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<v Speaker 1>of something else, using somebody else's platform. I my site

779
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>has had code so simple for so long that when

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<v Speaker 1>some people look at it, they just they it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they feel young again. It's like twenty years never happened.

782
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<v Speaker 1>I have tables, I have image maps, I have spacer gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's this thing. It is just is ancient.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I may change it up at some point too. But you,

786
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<v Speaker 1>the listener, can go to Ricochet, as you probably already do.

787
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<v Speaker 1>But if you don't go to the member feed, you're

788
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<v Speaker 1>probably always wondering what is behind the curtain. And the

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<v Speaker 1>answer is everything from lots of amusing memes, to discussion

790
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<v Speaker 1>of the unanities of Canadian politicians, to things to arguing

791
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<v Speaker 1>about the war, to arguing about literature, sports and the

792
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<v Speaker 1>rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing really that isn't discussed open the member feed

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<v Speaker 1>at Ricochet. So I advise you to part with a

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<v Speaker 1>few shekels, tenari lira whatever, you please go there, join

797
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 1>and you'll find that four point zero is pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you'll be amazed when you see what five

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<v Speaker 1>point zero is. I got to go because I got

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<v Speaker 1>to have a guy come over here and put a

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<v Speaker 1>table together or a desk together. I could do it myself,

802
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>but I am tired of assembling furniture. I nearly wept

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<v Speaker 1>with the last Ikia thing that I put together. It

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<v Speaker 1>took me days. I had to actually find a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who just silently put it together, holding out his hands

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<v Speaker 1>and showing the parts, pointing to what to do. It

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<v Speaker 1>was brilliant. I actually was so grateful that guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>sat through all of the ads and didn't skip them,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got However, little revenue came about from that anyway. Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>glad you're back from your trip your home. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>great weekend. Have a great weekend everybody else. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen will be with us as well next week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Lelex here in a dynam Minnesota cake eater now

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<v Speaker 1>that I am, and we'll see you all at Ricochet

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<v Speaker 1>four point whatever. Bye bye