Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of
Speaker 1: the Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His
Speaker 1: name is Tim Duckworth, and fingers crossed this recording works
Speaker 1: because having some technical difficulties beforehand. It is eleven forty
Speaker 1: seven pm on Monday, July fourteenth, so not really gonna
Speaker 1: wake up producer Rich and bother him. So again fingers
Speaker 1: crossed that everything works here. Probably a pretty short episode
Speaker 1: coming your way today. We're gonna touch on the Dubisby
Speaker 1: main event final table once again. We're gonna kind of
Speaker 1: preview it a little bit more. I know, we ran
Speaker 1: through the players on the last episode, you know, everyone
Speaker 1: that made the final nine, and then we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: We'll also touch into everything else that's going on here
Speaker 1: at Horseshoe paris pretty slow day overall, but do have
Speaker 1: a couple of winners. Don't think we're gonna get a
Speaker 1: winner in this ten K six max, but that is
Speaker 1: playing right now. We'll hit on that. We got the
Speaker 1: polo playing down, so you know, we got enough to
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Speaker 1: you at the Tables WSP Main Event Final Table. We
Speaker 1: ran through the final nine players and gave a little
Speaker 1: bit of the bio on each of them on the
Speaker 1: last episode, so if you miss that, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: do too much of that particular thing, So go back
Speaker 1: to the last episode and check it out, or you
Speaker 1: can head on over to PGT dot com and check
Speaker 1: out the Meet the twenty twenty five doas Be Main
Speaker 1: Event file table article that was done by the great
Speaker 1: Shan Chaffin as biles on all the players. So if
Speaker 1: you're a little bit unfamiliar from these final nine, obviously
Speaker 1: Michael the Grinder, Miss Rocky is the big headlining, the
Speaker 1: big notable name but if you're unfamiliar with people in
Speaker 1: general and you want to be like, oh, where's my
Speaker 1: rooting interest going to lie? You know, go listen to
Speaker 1: the last episode or watch it on YouTube, or go
Speaker 1: check out the article on PGT dot com to familiarize
Speaker 1: yourself with the players. We have seat one Leo Margetts
Speaker 1: from Spain fifty three point four million, that represents thirty
Speaker 1: three big blinds. Seat two Kenny Hallard from Belgium eighty
Speaker 1: point five million or fifty big blinds. Braxton Dunaway is
Speaker 1: in seat three. He's from the US ninety one point
Speaker 1: nine million, fifty seven big blinds. John Wosnock out of
Speaker 1: the USA one hundred and eight million, one hundred and
Speaker 1: eight point one to be exact, sixty eight big LiLine.
Speaker 1: He is the chip leader. Seat five is Michael the
Speaker 1: Grinder Miss Rocky, also out of the USA, ninety three million,
Speaker 1: even for the Grinder, fifty eight big blinds. De Young
Speaker 1: Lee out of South Korea thirty four point nine million,
Speaker 1: twenty two big blinds. Luca Badjokovic out of Serbia fifty
Speaker 1: one million or thirty two big blinds. He's in seat seven.
Speaker 1: Adam Hendricks out of the USA is in seed eight
Speaker 1: forty eight million, thirty big blinds, and then Seed nine.
Speaker 1: Rounding out the twenty twenty five WSB Main Event final
Speaker 1: table is Jared Minguinea out of the USA twenty three
Speaker 1: point six million. He's also the short stack of the
Speaker 1: final nine. He's got fifteen big blinds to work with
Speaker 1: when play resumes on Tuesday, July fifteenth. All those nine
Speaker 1: players had the day off on Monday. I think all
Speaker 1: of them came down here to the Horseshoe to do
Speaker 1: some interviews, take some photos, maybe some various interviews with
Speaker 1: the media or whatnot, what not.
Speaker 2: All of them who didn't come, Wow, Actually I lie
Speaker 2: exactly exactly. They interview and one of them they need
Speaker 2: one pot. That's what I'm kind of getting in.
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about the Grinder. I am, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he ended up coming. He was late.
Speaker 2: But he can't show what we're talking to us down
Speaker 2: here well in the back of the room.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is what it is. He's the Grinders.
Speaker 1: He's a big personality, he's a big name. He's got
Speaker 1: people to see, things to do. Man, he can't he
Speaker 1: can't just be schlepping in with us. He's already done
Speaker 1: this whole final table thing. Yeah, good point, you know, right,
Speaker 1: the freaking grinder man. Use the old footage, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just put seven bracelets, honey, let's go. It's amazing good
Speaker 1: Win number eight. So I ran through all the stack sizes.
Speaker 1: I do want to hit on the ICM value and
Speaker 1: on the video. Hopefully we'll get a little shot right
Speaker 1: here from producer Rich right in the middle of us.
Speaker 1: This is per Derek Walters on Twitter. He goes by
Speaker 1: Derek underscore Walters. He's always talking about the ICM values
Speaker 1: for the stacks. He's also regularly offing excuse me to
Speaker 1: buy pieces of people at their ICM value. And it's
Speaker 1: interesting how you how things stack up. You got wasnock
Speaker 1: is way up on top of a one hundred and
Speaker 1: eight million, You got m in guineas on the bottom
Speaker 1: with twenty three million, right, So there's what it's about.
Speaker 1: Four and a half x whsnuck stacked to mc guineas.
Speaker 1: But like the ICM value, you know, first place in
Speaker 1: this thing is ten million. Everyone's guaranteed a million. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a gap. It's not a
Speaker 1: nine million dollar gap in the ICM value. The ICM
Speaker 1: value is obviously scrunched down. Wasnock has the largest ICM
Speaker 1: value of course because he's the chip leader four point
Speaker 1: five seven million, Then you have four point twenty four
Speaker 1: four point two one seven three point nine three point
Speaker 1: two three point one three million, two point five seven nine,
Speaker 1: and then ming Guinea stack is right now worth two
Speaker 1: point one three one million. I'm assuming all the players
Speaker 1: are aware of this at least to some degree. Now,
Speaker 1: I would say the one that's probably the least aware
Speaker 1: of it would be Well, I think he's least aware
Speaker 1: of it out of choice. I don't think he gives
Speaker 1: a shit. Okay, So but I think I would assume
Speaker 1: that Wa Wasnak because he's like the the he's the
Speaker 1: token old guy. He's a recreational player. He's I think
Speaker 1: he's an investment consultant is what his job is. So
Speaker 1: he also might like just not be as in tune
Speaker 1: with it. You know. Maybe, yes, he has some people
Speaker 1: telling him about it, but I feel like he's just
Speaker 1: going to be a guy who's just going to play
Speaker 1: his game and not really worry about this, Whereas I
Speaker 1: feel like someone like let's say Kenny Hallard or Adam
Speaker 1: Hendrix are going to be like, oh my ICM value
Speaker 1: is this Like I'm going to try and ladder up
Speaker 1: accordingly or whatnot. So just wanted to kind of lay
Speaker 1: those out there. As we head into the final table again,
Speaker 1: everyone is guaranteed a million dollars for making the final nine,
Speaker 1: and then it goes one million, one point twenty five,
Speaker 1: one point five, one point nine, two point four, three, four, six, ten,
Speaker 1: I believe are all the payoffs, so kind of smallest
Speaker 1: jumps to start, but then obviously once you get into it,
Speaker 1: the jumps get pretty pretty big. And then of course
Speaker 1: that four million dollar jump from second to first is
Speaker 1: absolutely astronomical. I guess let's take a look at, you know,
Speaker 1: this final table as it compares to some recent years.
Speaker 1: That's something that I wanted to hit on, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I think a lot has been made about
Speaker 1: how awesome this final table is, and when people start
Speaker 1: throwing that around, you know, this is the best fil
Speaker 1: table ever. This is the best fiel table ever. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just it's not that it's not I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I just immediately think is it right? And then
Speaker 1: I kind of want to look, Yeah, so what is
Speaker 1: best main definition? Here though, Well, I'm just saying that's
Speaker 1: what I've heard from a lot of people, like this
Speaker 1: FILEL table is so great, This fil tables the best, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like finally we got this type of final table.
Speaker 1: So I think obviously a lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with Leyo Marjetts. Yeah, you know, being the first
Speaker 1: woman to make them an event final table in thirty years,
Speaker 1: going all the way back to nineteen ninety five, when
Speaker 1: Barbara Enright did it. Barbara Enwright was the only player
Speaker 1: or only female player to do it. It's taken thirty
Speaker 1: years now for Leo Marguetz to do it. And of
Speaker 1: course she did it with a six six sick runout
Speaker 1: going Club Club to back into a flush after her
Speaker 1: jacks were out flopped against Ace King on day eight.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I pulled I pulled the most recent
Speaker 1: final tables going back to twenty twenty one, So that
Speaker 1: gives us it's all the post COVID years can't really
Speaker 1: count twenty twenty because obviously that was the weird COVID
Speaker 1: year where everything was like it was like there was
Speaker 1: an international tournament, there was a USA tournament. They combined
Speaker 1: to one tournament. They played it it was very weird, right,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't feel like going back, you know,
Speaker 1: before that. So I would say that, you know, this one,
Speaker 1: it's got a pretty strong mix of star power. It
Speaker 1: certainly has that historical significance, you know, largely due to
Speaker 1: Leo Margetz and the history that I just mentioned it
Speaker 1: being thirty years since we've had a woman make the
Speaker 1: final table. I think there's a lot of like poker
Speaker 1: credibility at this final table. Overall, I would view it
Speaker 1: as very well rounded. If a final table like can
Speaker 1: be versatile, I think this one checks that box. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about Leo Marguetz. You know, she's the global storyline.
Speaker 1: She's out of Spain, you know, but she's he's very
Speaker 1: much that global storyline now because she is the female
Speaker 1: that has made the final table for the first time
Speaker 1: in thirty years. That is entirely historic. You got Michael Msrocky, right,
Speaker 1: He's one of the most decorated players in the history
Speaker 1: of poker, one of the most decorated WSP players. Tim
Speaker 1: and I have talked at length about the fact that
Speaker 1: he's won four Poker Players Championship titles. He has seven
Speaker 1: total bracelets, he's now made the w CMIAT final table
Speaker 1: for a second time. I mean, it's just it's I
Speaker 1: can't even like believe it when I keep saying it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so wild to me.
Speaker 2: And that second time, just to touch in that way
Speaker 2: there is in this modern generation, you know, whether we
Speaker 2: call it post money maker, it's just has not been
Speaker 2: done at all that often. Michael Mazrahi twenty ten, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, Mark Newhouse twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, back to
Speaker 2: back ninth place finishes.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Dan Harrington twenty two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: he finished third and fourth respectively. And we're going to
Speaker 2: touch on obviously. Kenny Hallett twenty sixteen, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Joke out and then yeah, that's I was going to say,
Speaker 2: that's probably the best one first and then a fifth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hard to be that. Joe Haad one is
Speaker 1: often overlooked.
Speaker 2: It's it's one hundred percent overlook And you know, I
Speaker 2: want to throw throw one of our one of our
Speaker 2: gentlemen on the Pogo team under the bus. He gave
Speaker 2: me the list, He's like, any more you can add.
Speaker 2: I was like, I bet youa kata, right, and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah right, oh yeah, yeah right, oh yeah, Jos
Speaker 2: was sick. And then so if you if you want
Speaker 2: to extend a little bit to tenth place, which is
Speaker 2: still technically the final table, you can throw Michael Rawan
Speaker 2: into that one. He has a fourth and a tenth technically.
Speaker 1: The final table.
Speaker 2: But either way, modern general, the modern times and post
Speaker 2: money maker, you know, the money maker error, however you
Speaker 2: want to call it. Basically, basically five players have made
Speaker 2: you know, two final tables and that's just, you know,
Speaker 2: absolutely astonishing.
Speaker 1: Ben Lamb, did you mention him? Wasn't that a third
Speaker 1: and a ninth? Oh wow? Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: not forget that he also has four also has a fourteenth.
Speaker 1: He has a fourteenth too, Yeah, Ben Lamb had when
Speaker 1: was third, third and twenty and eleven, and then he
Speaker 1: got ninth in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Oh we that's a duck up from me too. There
Speaker 2: you go out there.
Speaker 1: Piers Heines won in twenty eleven. We haven't seen him since.
Speaker 1: And then Scott blow Seeing won it in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: When Lamb got down there to that one, which is
Speaker 1: you know, I mean just absolutely incredible stuff from Ben Lamb.
Speaker 1: Now Grinder's in that group. Kenny Hallard is also in
Speaker 1: that group. You know, we talked about Grinder and part
Speaker 1: of the storyline with Grinder is he's he's one of
Speaker 1: those like old school pro He's a poker Boom star.
Speaker 1: Is like he became a star during the Poker Broom
Speaker 1: you know. Now, maybe he didn't rise to the ultimate
Speaker 1: heights of a Dan and mcgrondy or a Phil Hollimey
Speaker 1: or a Phil Ivy, but Grinder was as big as
Speaker 1: they come for a period of time. Yes, Like you know,
Speaker 1: he was crushing everything. He was winning multiple WPT titles,
Speaker 1: just a face everywhere, bracelets, all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, obviously he had you know, his own
Speaker 1: issues that he had to deal with. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy is freaking back and if you want to
Speaker 1: like pull up the nostalgia strings, well, Grinder's it. Kenny Hollard,
Speaker 1: you know, another final tableist that is returning. He's got
Speaker 1: a great ws AP resume, specifically in the main event.
Speaker 1: I think he even has like another deep run in
Speaker 1: the WSP Man event that wasn't one of those final
Speaker 1: tables that was a very deep run. You know, Kenny's
Speaker 1: been around the industry forever. He's been He's a tournament director,
Speaker 1: he's a live events advisor, I think with poker stars.
Speaker 1: So I mean, the guy is just an absolute freaking crusher.
Speaker 1: He got sixth place in twenty sixteen. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: sixty fourth, so very very deep run there by Kenny Holler.
Speaker 1: And then of course he's got this run twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: by the way, the year before he made the final
Speaker 1: table one hundred and twenty third. I mean, this mister
Speaker 1: Main Event twenty twelve, three hundred and twenty third. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy's an absolute beast in this tournament. It's absolutely wild.
Speaker 1: He's got another cash eight hundred and sixty second in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, so I mean, it just goes on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on as it pertains to
Speaker 1: the WSP main Event with Kenny Hollard and here he
Speaker 1: is once again, so you know, not as big of
Speaker 1: a name, yes as Grinder, but still a big name
Speaker 1: within the industry and a very well respected person who
Speaker 1: you know, dabbles in both sides. He's on the industry
Speaker 1: side of things with his you know, his career and
Speaker 1: his profession and whatnot. He's also on the player side
Speaker 1: of things. You've got Adam Hendricks. He's this year's top
Speaker 1: tier pro. Like he you know, he's the highly skilled,
Speaker 1: like a high roller type of guy. The pro We've
Speaker 1: seen plenty of them in the years past, almost almost
Speaker 1: too many of them in years past. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of made it seem like it was lackluster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for us in the industry, we're going to nerd out
Speaker 1: about it. But you know, we have Adam Hendrix here
Speaker 1: representing the pros. John Wosnack Now he's obviously the chip leader.
Speaker 1: He's and I say this with total respect, but a
Speaker 1: complete wild card to me in that like I don't
Speaker 1: he's a recreational player from all accounts, and I mean
Speaker 1: he's the token old guy. Always got to have one
Speaker 1: of the old guys, right, you know we've had We've
Speaker 1: had Jason Segel, We've had Jan Peter Yachman, We've had
Speaker 1: Aaron Duckzak, We've had George Holmes. Like you always get
Speaker 1: an old guy, we always get an old guy. Right.
Speaker 1: He is the old guy this year, and he's the
Speaker 1: freaking chip leader. And in a way, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: to me, this is like for every recreational player, for
Speaker 1: every older guy that's just hanging out, maybe playing a
Speaker 1: home game with his buddies once a week, once a month, whatever,
Speaker 1: like this keeps that dream alive exactly right, which is
Speaker 1: which is dope. So that's great. And then you know
Speaker 1: you got that international flair with some of these players.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Leol Margetz we already talked about her,
Speaker 1: but she also dips into that international flare too. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think overall we have a really really
Speaker 1: good final table. I do want to touch on these
Speaker 1: other ones from from twenty twenty four to twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and twenty twenty one, so again the
Speaker 1: post COVID era. I'll go back to twenty twenty one first.
Speaker 1: That was Kari Aldemir's winning year. Who I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's a beast of a player, right, obviously a crusher,
Speaker 1: but like he doesn't really bring like the big star
Speaker 1: power that let's say a Michael Muzroky does, so it
Speaker 1: kind of falls short there. Now. Again, this is not
Speaker 1: to take anything away from any of these players we're
Speaker 1: trying to compare. I did like that year, the Papo
Speaker 1: MC factor, m m Alexandre Lococo. You know, he's like
Speaker 1: the rapper from Argentina. He brings that global flare. He's
Speaker 1: a bit of a wild car with his play. He's
Speaker 1: all over the place. So you got that. You of
Speaker 1: course have George Holmes. It had some high entertainment value
Speaker 1: and I think it ultimately played out. I mean, you
Speaker 1: had the big hand where like Lecoco gave all of
Speaker 1: his chips to Karai Aldemir. You had a pretty good
Speaker 1: heads up match between the old guy George Holmes, like
Speaker 1: the home game Hero versus the high roller Karai Aldemir.
Speaker 1: You had that, but like it just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it fell short compared to this year. Right, If you
Speaker 1: want to give kry Aldemir, if you want to make
Speaker 1: him like the Adam Hendrix of this year, well you
Speaker 1: don't have the Leo Margets. Of course, you don't have
Speaker 1: them like Rocky, so you're kind of falling a little
Speaker 1: bit short. I think ultimately this one played out quite
Speaker 1: nicely and it delivered some some nice TV and it
Speaker 1: was certainly entertaining. But I certainly don't think it compares
Speaker 1: to this year. The next year that was espen Georgs
Speaker 1: dad's win, and that was twenty twenty two when we
Speaker 1: moved over here to the Horseshoe in Paris for the
Speaker 1: first time. Now Espen he won a bracelet. That summer,
Speaker 1: he won the tag team event alongside Patrick Leonard aka Pads,
Speaker 1: but still pretty unknown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely unknown, especially here in America. Obviously plays a
Speaker 2: lot of the European events played online, but very unknown
Speaker 2: to the wider audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for like for those of us that
Speaker 1: kind of are deeper into the industry and follow things
Speaker 1: and are like, oh, okay, I spend like a big
Speaker 1: online guy, you know whatnot okay, cool story, but like
Speaker 1: we know it's not going to resonate beyond the very
Speaker 1: even like the inner circle of the Pope community. Right now,
Speaker 1: we did have a decent heads up match with your
Speaker 1: boy Adrian Attenborough. I mean obviously obviously that it was
Speaker 1: a marathon, but also that one hand that took like
Speaker 1: twenty six minutes or something insane, Like that hand alone,
Speaker 1: which is the final hand, was just absolutely wild. So
Speaker 1: I think that helped ultimately, like being results oriented, that
Speaker 1: helped that final table. How like grueling that heads up
Speaker 1: match was if you're gonna look at like the notable
Speaker 1: pros from that final table. Let me just run through
Speaker 1: the list of who was at it. Felipe Suki, Adrian Attenborough,
Speaker 1: Mattia Doebrich, Mickey Dueck, Matthew Sue, John Eames, Jeffrey Farnes,
Speaker 1: Aaron ducksak and Espen Georges Dad. I mean we already
Speaker 1: talked about George Dad, we talked about Adrian Attenborough. I mean,
Speaker 1: Matthew Sue was kind of a no name within the industry.
Speaker 1: John Eames, no name within the industry, Mickey Dueck, no
Speaker 1: name within the industry. But in no way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: is like the common poker fan going to know who
Speaker 1: any of these people are at this final table. So
Speaker 1: that's ultimately like kind of where this one fell short.
Speaker 1: I would say from a technical aspect, I think this
Speaker 1: is a very good final table, yes, but like star power, headlines,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, that's where it falls short.
Speaker 1: Which again is fine for all those of us that
Speaker 1: love poker, But if you want to hit that home run,
Speaker 1: and if we're always like, you know what can help
Speaker 1: poker get into the mainstream war, you know this unfortunately
Speaker 1: just isn't going to do it. Twenty twenty three, we
Speaker 1: got Stephen Jones, Juan Masierras, Daniel Hosner, Adam Walton, Ruslin Priedrich,
Speaker 1: Dean Hutchison, Toby Lewis, Daniel Weinman and Jan Peter Yachman.
Speaker 1: After the fact, with this one, you got Daniel Winman
Speaker 1: winning it. Of course he had that big hand. I
Speaker 1: figuret I it was on day seven or day eight
Speaker 1: when he hit that jack on the turn, which was
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. Wineman is extremely well liked with the poker community,
Speaker 1: has been around for a very very long time. But
Speaker 1: still like this is another one of those where it's
Speaker 1: it's just short on names. Yeah, you know, coming into
Speaker 1: the thing, right, I mean, Toby Lewis, I would say,
Speaker 1: is arguably the biggest name here now I'm talking about
Speaker 1: going into it coming out of it now. Obviously Daniel
Speaker 1: Wyman is a bigger name because he won the damn thing.
Speaker 2: But I think Daniel Wyman's bigger than Toby Lewis.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would say, like internationally it's probably
Speaker 1: Toby Lewis. Like on a global scale, which is that
Speaker 1: poker is a global game, I would say, I mean,
Speaker 1: if not they're They're like, it's like.
Speaker 2: It's right there, but yeah, I yeah, you're right, it's
Speaker 2: probably yeah, one A, one B for those two.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the International Pull, you got Juan Monsierras,
Speaker 1: you got Ruslin preject, but like Ruslin doesn't really speak
Speaker 1: English at all, so that was very difficult to resonate.
Speaker 1: Juan Monsierras is like kind of in and out, you know,
Speaker 1: for those of us that like follow the industry. He
Speaker 1: had a lot of like online success way back in
Speaker 1: the day, like his dad played online all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Like nobody outside of poker knows that stuff. So,
Speaker 1: you know, casual fans, it's just hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: latch on if you're a casual fan, right. I feel
Speaker 1: like what I'm getting at here is like I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people tune in to the WSP main
Speaker 1: event for the final table only, right, So when the
Speaker 1: casual fan pulls up the list of the final nine,
Speaker 1: are they going to be like I'm gonna watch that,
Speaker 1: or are they going to be like, who the heck
Speaker 1: are these people? So I feel like some of these
Speaker 1: final tables it's more like who the heck are these people?
Speaker 2: I think it's the other way though, if you're coming
Speaker 2: in to just watch the final table the last like
Speaker 2: two days, I don't think you care who makes it.
Speaker 2: I think it's the die hards or the people like
Speaker 2: kind of you and me that consume poker a lot
Speaker 2: of the time, which obviously have some people or storylines
Speaker 2: of story ocs we're cheering for, and when then it
Speaker 2: doesn't get fulfilled at the final table, we may switch off. Now,
Speaker 2: I know you and me are gonna watch it, but
Speaker 2: I'm saying that the people that consume a lot mega
Speaker 2: you know what, this final table doesn't interest me that much.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch it.
Speaker 2: But the guys that are coming just for final table,
Speaker 2: I don't think it matis who's on there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll agree with that, but I think I'm more
Speaker 1: talking to, for example, my mom, Okay, like she was
Speaker 1: kind of following it partly because I made a deeper
Speaker 1: but then she kind of got sucked into it, so
Speaker 1: she was she's invested in. Yeah, she's invested in like
Speaker 1: Layo Margett's like she wants the woman to make it,
Speaker 1: so now she's gonna watch. She has no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on poker. Every time something was on the screen,
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, like, so why does queens beat jacks?
Speaker 1: Like and I had it was like trying to talk
Speaker 1: to a two year old about poker. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love my mom, but it was very difficult. I would
Speaker 1: I would have rolled so much if I was. No,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, she just doesn't know. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know now she's invested and she doesn't care to
Speaker 1: watch the final table, but she's invested now because she
Speaker 1: has that that female tie, right. So like it's those
Speaker 1: types of people who are invested for for those reasons
Speaker 1: who get sucked in based on a story, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the people who are kind of always like going to
Speaker 1: tune in for the final table and just the final table.
Speaker 1: We're probably gonna get them, right, But how do we
Speaker 1: how do we draw the attraction of people who are
Speaker 1: like not even paying attention and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're like, oh wait, there's a there's a woman
Speaker 1: at the final table. Oh wait, Grinder's back. Like you know,
Speaker 1: Grinder to me is like the way I viewed and
Speaker 1: I know you'll get this that plenty of people out
Speaker 1: there will probably have no idea what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: but plenty of people will have an idea what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about wrestling coming back, but like the old guys
Speaker 1: like the stone Colds, the Shawn Michaels, the rock Et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like Grinder to stone Colds. I'm saying like those are
Speaker 1: the those are the the Poker boom stars, like those guys, right,
Speaker 1: and like there's obviously a good selection of the wrestling
Speaker 1: audience that has just followed it the whole way through, right,
Speaker 1: and they're all about the new stars. But for me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of was like I lost
Speaker 1: after like those characters, the Attitude era and whatnot. I
Speaker 1: kind of was like, you know what, I don't really
Speaker 1: like these new guys that much, so I'm not as
Speaker 1: attracted to it. So I kind of would go away.
Speaker 1: But then if I saw like the Rock showing up
Speaker 1: on WrestleMania, like I'm in so like there's gonna be
Speaker 1: those people that got into poker, you know, during the boom,
Speaker 1: might have fallen out from it, and then they're like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, Grinder's back like that those people, which I'm
Speaker 1: I'm already getting a lot of messages like oh my god, Grinder,
Speaker 1: like from my friends that like I came up playing
Speaker 1: home games with who have no interest at all a
Speaker 1: poker anymore. But now they're like Grinder again, like he's back.
Speaker 2: I am very confident that several Lola list those including
Speaker 2: producer Rich but particularly Mickey Daphin Chat Holloway, would love
Speaker 2: for us right now to just stop talking about the
Speaker 2: main event. Find all the old school, the Mike Manosius,
Speaker 2: the Daniel grind As to feel home is, the Sean Chakhans,
Speaker 2: the corey' Zeidman's, all of them, and then allocate them
Speaker 2: an attitude or a wrestler if like that would be
Speaker 2: the most off topic thing to do right now, but
Speaker 2: I know there's people at him saying, please please do this.
Speaker 1: I mean also, like Grinder is a He's a good
Speaker 1: example of of like a a wrestler's arc, because so
Speaker 1: many of these wrestlers kind of they come in, they
Speaker 1: have like a one to two year high where they're
Speaker 1: like the biggest thing in the world, and then they
Speaker 1: kind of just fizzle out and like you move on,
Speaker 1: Like obviously you have the ones that are like they're
Speaker 1: they're around for decades.
Speaker 2: Right, So if he wins this, right, let's say he
Speaker 2: wins the main event, and he's kind of a stone
Speaker 2: could he is?
Speaker 1: Okay, you got to relax. Look at stone cold. Steve
Speaker 1: Auston's career was like not like ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 2: But so called is on the Mount Rushmore a restless okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying Grinder is on the Mount rush During
Speaker 2: during his height, Grinder was like way up there, like
Speaker 2: way way up there. If Grinder wins this, he's more
Speaker 2: like Cody roads Pad because.
Speaker 1: You can't even use anyone from the current age because
Speaker 1: you have to you have to use the old school guys.
Speaker 1: You have to go back. You have to go back time.
Speaker 1: You have to go back. Okay, just literally I remember
Speaker 1: turning on like every w WPT episode and it was
Speaker 1: the Grinder, the Grinder the ground like just in your face,
Speaker 1: non freaking.
Speaker 2: Like at the at like he was just at the top.
Speaker 2: He was absolutely at the Can he be Chris Jeriica? No,
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like, listen.
Speaker 1: To rank wrestlers right now, But I don't think that,
Speaker 1: So I don't. I personally don't. I might not put
Speaker 1: someone called on my Mount Rushmore. He might be like
Speaker 1: five or six. I'm just saying lists the poker place
Speaker 1: you got you got the two Fills, you got Daniel
Speaker 1: who's behind them? Grinders in that group behind them, I'm like,
Speaker 1: like fame and noariety, not in.
Speaker 2: Generation right, you know you're not talking about Doyle and
Speaker 2: all those guys. We're talking like the two thousands on
Speaker 2: them was where we grew up with poker. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: the people I think I really like, I kind of
Speaker 2: want to put out scends in ahead of that.
Speaker 1: But I'm also talking about like, you know, r P Dor,
Speaker 1: like the people who are still alive and still around now.
Speaker 1: Like it's like Grinder Madisow Like like those guys.
Speaker 2: Madison might be ahead of Grinder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not like it's like so much ahead.
Speaker 1: They're all very Yeah, they're all like I think people
Speaker 1: out there kind of try and get to what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we get it. We but anyway, just continue,
Speaker 2: So let's move on to twenty twenty four. Huch was
Speaker 2: obviously last year.
Speaker 1: We had Boris Angelov, Malow, Latinwall, Brian Kim, Nicholas Ostet,
Speaker 1: Joe Sarrock, Jordan Griff, Jonathan Tomayo, Andres Gonzalez, and Jason Segel.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of crushers here. Boris Angelov Crusher
Speaker 1: mostly online, Brian Kim crusher a lot of high stakes
Speaker 1: live cash, Nicholas Us that Lena nine hundred, one of
Speaker 1: the absolute best online players, if not the best online
Speaker 1: tournament player ever. You know, Joe sur Rock crusher for
Speaker 1: a long time, you know. But it's just like again,
Speaker 1: very technically solid here, but no like to us, Nicholas
Speaker 1: Us that is a big name. No one knows who
Speaker 1: the heck Nicholas. It's like no offense to Nicholas, Like,
Speaker 1: I love the guy, you know and like, and we
Speaker 1: know who he are is, but casual fans don't know
Speaker 1: who it is. You know, Brian Kim is one of
Speaker 1: my really good friends. No one knows who he is
Speaker 1: casual like, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, people
Speaker 1: might walk around here and be like, oh, like you
Speaker 1: know Brian Kim, Like, but casual fans again, they're just not.
Speaker 2: Something of him petting a kangaroo that he put on
Speaker 2: his Instagram, like yesterday is up coming here to play poker.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's just chilling, you know. So again, this one
Speaker 1: just it lacks those storylines, It lacks mass appeal, It
Speaker 1: lacks that hook to suck people in, so you know,
Speaker 1: again recognizable and games, you know, but really no standout
Speaker 1: storylines to suck in more casual audiences. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we are with these recent ones.
Speaker 1: So I would say the twenty twenty five wspe and
Speaker 1: Men final table compared to these recent uh what is it?
Speaker 1: Four one, two, three, four, yeah, recent four. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's leaps and bounds better. Obviously, the fact that
Speaker 1: we have a woman there makes it way better. But
Speaker 1: even if you were to take Layomar gets out like,
Speaker 1: it's still better, right, just with the fact that you
Speaker 1: have Grinder, you finally got a really big name. You know,
Speaker 1: you got Kenny Hollard story is incredible, you got you
Speaker 1: got the pro the pros boxes checked with Adam HENDRICKX.
Speaker 1: You know you have those things. So think you're right.
Speaker 1: You know you got you got kind of that recreational player,
Speaker 1: every man token old guy in uh Wa wasnak the
Speaker 1: chip leaders. So you have a bit of it all here, right,
Speaker 1: if you want to dig a little further, I mean
Speaker 1: the Jared mc guinea thing is very cool, where a
Speaker 1: professional snowboarder was trying out for the Olympics. I believe
Speaker 1: is how the story went. Got injured, ended up, didn't
Speaker 1: make it. But if you want to look even further,
Speaker 1: he lost his brother in October twenty twenty two in
Speaker 1: a motorcycle crash about I think two or three weeks later,
Speaker 1: he went to play the was Sippy Circuit event, the
Speaker 1: main event in Lake Tahoe, and he basically pledged or
Speaker 1: called his shot that he was going to win it
Speaker 1: for his brother, for his brother Bobby, who was thirty
Speaker 1: six years old when he had the unfortunate crash, and
Speaker 1: he did win it. He won the whole damn thing
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty three K. So that's a
Speaker 1: really cool, damn story. Now, Jared McGann has got a
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. Twenty three point six millions
Speaker 1: is the shortest stack, but still that's an awesome story.
Speaker 1: It's got a bit of that underdog appeal. It's also
Speaker 1: you know, for any athletes out there. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure plenty of people out there who have gotten injured
Speaker 1: their careers have you know, basically been put aside and
Speaker 1: you can't do anything. You know, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there who are athletes then find poker
Speaker 1: to you know, get that competitive edge, and Jared mc
Speaker 1: guinney's one of them, and here he is at the
Speaker 1: was B Main Event final table. So all in all,
Speaker 1: I think this final table is pretty freaking incredible. You
Speaker 1: got the poker prestige, you got michaelmas Rocky, you got
Speaker 1: Adam Hendrix, you got Kenny Hollard. Okay, I'll put them
Speaker 1: in like the poker prestige thing, right, the emotional stakes
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the viewers. I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of another little bucket here that we can put people in.
Speaker 1: You know, that involves like the history element with Layo Margetz.
Speaker 1: I guess you could also put the Kenny Hollard and
Speaker 1: Michael Moss Rocky redemption part in here because they both
Speaker 1: made this finel table before they didn't win it, but
Speaker 1: now they have a chance again. And like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you and I were talking before we went on
Speaker 1: on air about how it's so hard to even like
Speaker 1: cash this thing and so many people go forever without
Speaker 1: cashing it. And these guys have two shots to win
Speaker 1: the damn thing at the final table, which is freaking wild.
Speaker 1: And you also have, as it pertains to emotional steaks.
Speaker 1: I think like, I think a lot of like older
Speaker 1: people out there will just latch onto Johnnock. He's the
Speaker 1: recreational grinder guy. He's a bit of a total unknown.
Speaker 1: He just seems like you're everyday man, just the amateur
Speaker 1: of the wreck, you know, who's coming out here taking
Speaker 1: a shot. He's he's for sure held his own. So
Speaker 1: he's not like any sort of fish out of water
Speaker 1: when I say amateur recreational, but just a regular dude.
Speaker 1: And he's in a big moment, and he's obviously thriving.
Speaker 1: He's got the freaking chip lead. You know, this could
Speaker 1: be that that fairy tale type story that you know,
Speaker 1: you see so often that a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: even if you don't know their names, right, So we
Speaker 1: had again going through those winners kry Aldemir espen George said,
Speaker 1: Daniel Weinman, and then last year Jonathan Tomorrow. Even if
Speaker 1: those guys aren't the biggest names in the world, they're
Speaker 1: still hardened pros. So what I'm getting at is if
Speaker 1: Wasnock is able to come out on top, that shows
Speaker 1: a lot of the average poker players out there are
Speaker 1: the regular people that like, yeah, that can still happen.
Speaker 1: You can still do that. You don't have to be
Speaker 1: this this like crazy crusher in the game for you know,
Speaker 1: thirty five years playing every single day professionally in this
Speaker 1: and that. No, you can take your shot. You can
Speaker 1: live that dream. So that's what I like, you know,
Speaker 1: with the with the wasnik, I think it would handle there.
Speaker 2: You're right, the majority of the audience watching this is
Speaker 2: going to be you know, Middle America, right, like you said,
Speaker 2: they're tuning in, you know that for this like iconic
Speaker 2: early event, and this is who most people would resonate
Speaker 2: the most with, you know, an older gentleman amateur, not
Speaker 2: a professional poker player, not a not a you know, grinder.
Speaker 2: And it's also someone we haven't seen win in a
Speaker 2: long long time. Now. If you go back, like when
Speaker 2: do you think the last amateur you know, I think
Speaker 2: it's going to have to probably be Jerry Yang two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven. I don't think you can count and
Speaker 2: sand Well and Sam played played regularly.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's an amateur, I would think, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I think he went and played poker like a he
Speaker 2: was like a poker player talking about.
Speaker 1: Like he was for sure a gambler.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I mean I'm not really talking about
Speaker 2: the skill set. I'm talking about more like they're more
Speaker 2: profession based than anything. Yeah, yeah, no, I get I
Speaker 2: feel like we have to really start going back, Like
Speaker 2: you know, obviously Jamie Go, Joe Hasham.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if you really want to lean into
Speaker 1: it with John Woznek, and I'm probably gonna getripped apart
Speaker 1: for saying this, but if you really want to lean
Speaker 1: into it, you say, he's the money maker, like he's
Speaker 1: like he's because now, obviously Moneymaker has the name it
Speaker 1: was when poker started to really boom. He got the
Speaker 1: online satellite stuff, all that sort of stuff. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is his moneymaker was a recreational amateur player
Speaker 1: among a field of pros. And that is what wasn't
Speaker 1: to get I mean amateur or sorry, moneymaker was an
Speaker 1: accountant from Tennessee. This guy is an investment consultant, father
Speaker 1: of four, fifty years old out of Washington. I mean
Speaker 1: he's not he's not a pro like so it just
Speaker 1: it's showing that, like listen, you can do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you can play good on this stage and
Speaker 1: the biggest tournament in the world, and you can break
Speaker 1: through like Wosnik is doing and that is truly incredible
Speaker 1: to see. So and it doesn't matter, like all you
Speaker 1: need coming into poker, you just need the money to
Speaker 1: sit at the table. He had ten k, just like
Speaker 1: everyone else had ten k, you know, and he battled
Speaker 1: with the best to him and he's gotten here, and
Speaker 1: that's freaking cool to see. You know. It gives even
Speaker 1: someone like me, you know, who might play more than Wasnock.
Speaker 1: But still, I don't think that I'm necessarily like the
Speaker 1: best player in the field by far. You know, even
Speaker 1: as I was going deep, I was like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of freaking good players around me that are really
Speaker 1: really fucking good. But like, still, you can play really
Speaker 1: well for a shorter period of time in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things, you know, six seven days, you can
Speaker 1: hit some cards and you can be that person. You
Speaker 1: can be that story. So like that's what I think
Speaker 1: everyone needs to lean into. With John Wasnock, Like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't just look at him and be like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: just like he's just an unknown, like we don't care
Speaker 1: about him whatever. No, that's a cool ass story that
Speaker 1: like those types of people can do it. I looked
Speaker 1: that similar to Lee when twenty twenty one George Holmes,
Speaker 1: Like George Holmes is like he's just the everyman, you know,
Speaker 1: He's just a dude, like probably plays a home game
Speaker 1: a couple times a month with his buddy's like whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, like doesn't really have all that that much
Speaker 1: you know, money in like career, live tournament earnings and
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. I think for Wasnak, it was
Speaker 1: around like one hundred and fifty k coming into this tournament.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that
Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast, that are watching on YouTube
Speaker 1: or that are going to tune in for the final
Speaker 1: table have one hundred and fifty k and earnings or less,
Speaker 1: you know. And but you can do it, like you
Speaker 1: can be that person. Yeah, Like and that's that's dope
Speaker 1: to me. So that's where I would like to lean in,
Speaker 1: you know, with that one. And and hopefully like he
Speaker 1: kind of embraces that too, right And then of course,
Speaker 1: you know, we still have those those quote unquote underdogs,
Speaker 1: I guess or unknown players. You got the Jared mc
Speaker 1: guinea I talked about him, uh Lukabadjokovic, uh Day Hung
Speaker 1: Lee and then Braxton Duneaway, Braxton don't always kind of
Speaker 1: in that same sort of like creational player ish not
Speaker 1: maybe not as much so as w Wasnock because he
Speaker 1: won the Monsters to actually, you know, but but still
Speaker 1: like he's he's got a job from from everything I
Speaker 1: can tell, he works in the oil and gas industry,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's.
Speaker 2: Got a job, has poker chops, just doesn't play full
Speaker 2: time like some of the like you know, like an
Speaker 2: Adam Hendrix.
Speaker 1: You know, I spoke to him.
Speaker 2: He likes to play high stakes cash games, you know obviously,
Speaker 2: like you said, has the Musstack brace that plays some
Speaker 2: events here and there. But yeah, he's not he's sole income.
Speaker 2: He is, you know, real real job, you know, real
Speaker 2: man job back in Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I kind of look at his story like
Speaker 1: you can have some success like he did in the
Speaker 1: Monster Stack, and then you can go on to really
Speaker 1: much bigger and better things in poker. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you it doesn't have to be the Monster Stack.
Speaker 1: You could win a tournament for one hundre k, two
Speaker 1: undre k whatever it is. You know, come put it
Speaker 1: up as to be a little bit next thing. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to that fil table. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really cool, you know, storylines here. Overall,
Speaker 1: I think it's the most complete, headline worthy final table
Speaker 1: that we've had, you know, probably. I know I only
Speaker 1: talked about the ones specifically. I got into going back
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty one, but I don't know, like when
Speaker 1: was the last like really like headlining one, Like I
Speaker 1: mean not look at the banners like two thousand, fifteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: Like who is who are those years? Like that?
Speaker 2: You mean like Martin Jacobson years?
Speaker 1: Was it? Martin Jacobson, Ryan Reees, Like I think when.
Speaker 2: We look back, we we can look back in them
Speaker 2: now and say, oh, that was a good year. I
Speaker 2: think in the moment, you know, you have a lot
Speaker 2: of these players like look at look at the Jeremy
Speaker 2: Osmas Yeah, no one, you hear Jeremy Osmus was he
Speaker 2: was another one. Now you look back, he's like, well,
Speaker 2: this was the story. Jeremy Osmos was the the cash
Speaker 2: game guy, like he was the he was like the
Speaker 2: longtime experienced unknown poah. Yeah, but he was still he was.
Speaker 2: Then we'll look at where his career has come. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: you know I saw, Like I think when we look
Speaker 2: back retrospectively at all these other years, we say, oh,
Speaker 2: that was actually pretty good, But like at that moment,
Speaker 2: we're playing, eh, a bit of a dodge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I also think that, you know, part
Speaker 1: of what I'm trying to get at is that in
Speaker 1: past years, more recently, it's almost like we've had to
Speaker 1: do a lot of work to sell the Final Table
Speaker 1: to people. Yeah. I don't think you really have to
Speaker 1: sell the Final table to people. Here, you kind of
Speaker 1: just say what it is. You got the woman, you
Speaker 1: got the superstar and grinder, you know, you got the
Speaker 1: pro like, you got the the you know, the the
Speaker 1: recreational guy, you know, the you know for all the
Speaker 1: everyday dudes out there, the dreamers, like, you got a
Speaker 1: bit of everything. I think it's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to watch it. I'm very, very, very excited
Speaker 1: to watch it all play out. I do want to
Speaker 1: do two little segments here. One is a rank this,
Speaker 1: oh babe finally coming around. Let's rank the remaining players
Speaker 1: the final nine in terms of most likely to win
Speaker 1: the event in our opinion. And we'll start with number nine,
Speaker 1: which means least likely to win, and we'll go up
Speaker 1: to who we think has the biggest chance. So you
Speaker 1: go first, Jared win, Jamie same.
Speaker 2: And it's nothing against Jared. You just got twenty six
Speaker 2: You got to get fifteen big lines. Okay, you got
Speaker 2: twenty six million or whatever it is. You got fifteen
Speaker 2: big lines, a lot of work to do. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put him at the bottom. Who's your next one? Uh,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Dan hung Ley Almost other shows sack
Speaker 2: but just watching him seem to be a little timid
Speaker 2: when he played, so like.
Speaker 1: So was there there was there a moment where he
Speaker 1: had aces, but like was it kind of shy for
Speaker 1: a second to put.
Speaker 2: Money in saying this I have heard this, but I haven't.
Speaker 1: It was like it was very weird. He like kind
Speaker 1: of like, I mean, obviously you don't want to get
Speaker 1: all in at any point. It doesn't matter. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you have aces or not. Just because you
Speaker 1: get all in prefloulf anything can happened, right, It's it's
Speaker 1: obviously chaos. Probably only with this says no questions, no,
Speaker 1: of course, but like I think he kind of like
Speaker 1: it definitely looked like he was like, oh, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean I guess here we go, you know, so
Speaker 1: that was like, I don't know. I saw that, and
Speaker 1: I heard about that, and some people were messaging me
Speaker 1: about it, and I'm kind of like, hmm, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, so I mean, we'll see you
Speaker 1: never know. I also got him second. He's also I
Speaker 1: believe he's the second short step is the second shot
Speaker 1: I got Luka Padjokovic next. Yeah, well those are the three. No,
Speaker 1: that's not the next shortest stuff. No, but those those
Speaker 1: three are in order for if you pick those three names,
Speaker 1: we listed them in order of chips. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like mc guineas is short. Is shorter than
Speaker 1: the joke rich? Right? But yes, but that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it yet, who's your next?
Speaker 1: One? Number six?
Speaker 2: This is where I'm gonna I hope we have the
Speaker 2: same list to hold the whole way now. I'm choosing
Speaker 2: this person mainly just due to having a horrible seat
Speaker 2: at the table, and I honestly didn't even look at seats.
Speaker 2: Seats are very important, you know.
Speaker 1: I was just firing from the hipper. It's not against
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 2: I just think that he's gonna have a hard time
Speaker 2: getting any traction with where he's sitting, and he's gonna
Speaker 2: trend down, trend down, turned down, and then it's just
Speaker 2: you know, it's gonna be in a spot where you lose.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna take Braxton down away next Yeah, I
Speaker 2: gotta reach a little bit in the draft.
Speaker 1: I got Layomar Jets, okay. And my reasoning is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like you have a day off.
Speaker 1: I would think it would be better for Layomar Jets
Speaker 1: personally if they just played today, less time to think
Speaker 1: about things, to let that pressure sink in. You know,
Speaker 1: everything left, right and center is being made of the
Speaker 1: fact that she is the first woman to make this
Speaker 1: file table in thirty years. That has to come with
Speaker 1: a lot of burden on your shoulders, right, a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on you. You know you, I mean you, you
Speaker 1: said it yesterday that you think she probably wants to
Speaker 1: get fifth, which is what Barbara Nrick got. Well, if
Speaker 1: that is, let's say that's the case. Obviously we don't know, right,
Speaker 1: but let's say that's the case, then you're thinking about it,
Speaker 1: whereas you're not just going in and playing freely. So
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see right, It's it's a lot to
Speaker 1: make the final table as a woman, and like you
Speaker 1: have all those people like talking about it and asking
Speaker 1: you about it and whatever. So I don't know, does
Speaker 1: that just constantly weigh on her mind and then it
Speaker 1: allows her to not play as freely? You know, we'll
Speaker 1: see very early on. Of course, I also think she
Speaker 1: does have a pretty bad spot at the table. She
Speaker 1: got Kenny Hollard next to her, Braxton done Away next
Speaker 1: to her, was knocked next to her, Like it's just
Speaker 1: it's bad. Those those four seats are very bad, so
Speaker 1: that that's going to be quite difficult, you know, and
Speaker 1: especially when like if she's in the I believe it's
Speaker 1: cut off or hijack, Miss Rocky will be in the
Speaker 1: big blind, which he's going to play any hand. The
Speaker 1: guy is ridiculous, So all right, who's your next one?
Speaker 1: So kind of touching on Lea.
Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, she's very emotional after
Speaker 2: bagging chips.
Speaker 1: I think this actual day off is actually very good
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 2: However, she's made the final table, she's achieved that milestone.
Speaker 2: What's the next miles sign? It's getting fifth place? What's
Speaker 2: the next mile sign?
Speaker 1: After that?
Speaker 2: It's now in fourth place, and then it just moves up. Right,
Speaker 2: I think she is going to play very cautious, very tight,
Speaker 2: not take any risks to try and.
Speaker 1: Equal Barbara and Right.
Speaker 2: And you know, I feel like we're going to see
Speaker 2: her slowly chipped down with due to position, due to
Speaker 2: the fact that I think she's trying to achieve that
Speaker 2: next benchmark a fifth place or better. And I want
Speaker 2: to be surprised if she's grinding, you know, ten eleven,
Speaker 2: twelve bigs as people are hitting the rail. She gets
Speaker 2: to fifth place, she achieves that that next benchmark, a
Speaker 2: little bit of weight off her chest, she loosens up,
Speaker 2: maybe she finds that a six to oh like like
Speaker 2: Joey did or something. So I have her laddering up
Speaker 2: to fifth place.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, listen, Let's also make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1: When when Barbara Enright made that final table and finished
Speaker 1: in fifth place, Dan Harring didn't won it. There were
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy seven people. I mean, this is nine,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty five. So the fact that she's
Speaker 1: even made it to the final nine like percentage wise,
Speaker 1: she's gotten way farther yep than Barbara Enright did okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so like that's if I was advising her,
Speaker 1: I would basically try and tell her that be like listen,
Speaker 1: like I understand, I understand, but I'm saying if you
Speaker 1: were trying to like help her like get through it mentally,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, don't worry about that, like you've gotten
Speaker 1: this far for a reason, Like, just play your game.
Speaker 1: Do your thing right. The fact that you made the
Speaker 1: final table, that is enough. That is all what everyone wanted.
Speaker 1: How we were always rooting every single year for a
Speaker 1: woman to make the fol table. That is done, okay,
Speaker 1: so just go do your thing. I got John Wosnock next,
Speaker 1: and my reasoning is wow, So two things. I know.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that I looked at seeding position, but
Speaker 1: I remember thinking about that his seeding position was particularly
Speaker 1: annoying because he's got Michael mcrocky on his direct left,
Speaker 1: and miss Rocky is in every fricking hand all the time. Like, so,
Speaker 1: now I know, Waznock obviously finished with a chip one
Speaker 1: hundred and eight million, he's got like sixty eight big
Speaker 1: lines or whatever it is. But I didn't think like
Speaker 1: when I was watching that he like went and got
Speaker 1: the chips more so that they he kind of just
Speaker 1: let them come to him, which is not bad, not
Speaker 1: a bad strategy, but I'm saying like, if he if
Speaker 1: he kind of just sits back in the beginning, maybe
Speaker 1: we see a Braxton Dunaway or a Michael mcsrocky, somebody
Speaker 1: who's a little bit more active and aggressive. They take
Speaker 1: the chip lead from him, right, and then he just
Speaker 1: kind of starts to like slide on it. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's gonna be very interesting, you know. I always
Speaker 1: I always want both as like the poker player in me,
Speaker 1: the commentator in me, the know the analyst in me,
Speaker 1: the poker fan in me. I always want the chipleader
Speaker 1: at any final table. It doesn't matter if it's this
Speaker 1: final table or you know, some other final table. I
Speaker 1: want the chip leader to be the one driving the
Speaker 1: action and getting in there. And you don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna do any am, I don't know. But also I
Speaker 1: feel like if he tries, miss Rocky's right there, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like Miss Rocky might like he like Wasnock might
Speaker 1: like literally raise the first hand, and Miss Rocky might
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, I'm just gonna three about
Speaker 1: this guy, because I'm gonna say, I'm gonna set the
Speaker 1: pace like Miss Rocky. That's how Miss Rocky is. He's
Speaker 1: a freaking gorilla out there, like he's gonna be He's
Speaker 1: just gonna put his fist down like as soon as
Speaker 1: he can. I feel, like I said yesterday on the
Speaker 1: last episode that you know, I think like Miss Rocky
Speaker 1: and Dunaway are gonna just clash in a big pot.
Speaker 1: That's part of this. Like I think Miss Rocky is
Speaker 1: gonna like come in and like basically try and like
Speaker 1: run the table. That's what Miss Rocky's gonna do. And
Speaker 1: if Wasnock is right there trying to get active and
Speaker 1: Miss Rocky kind of tries to shut it down, then
Speaker 1: maybe Wasnock just kind of says, like, you know what, Okay,
Speaker 1: it can be your table. That's fine. I'm gonna sit back.
Speaker 1: But if you sit back, it doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 1: you've got the best chance to win. So that's why
Speaker 1: I put Wasnock there. I also it's also part of
Speaker 1: his I don't really know too much about his game,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know he.
Speaker 2: Wasn't part of the broadcast as much as like a
Speaker 2: Grinder was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of these other guys. I just I
Speaker 1: know what to expect. I know what to expect from Grinder,
Speaker 1: I know what to expect from Adam Hendrix, I know
Speaker 1: what to expect from Kenny Holler. Like I even know
Speaker 1: what to expect from Brexton Dunaway, right, So I just
Speaker 1: don't know as much about John Wasnock. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: why I got him there.
Speaker 2: I think we need to make it kind of clear
Speaker 2: if for the people watching all listening, then we're just
Speaker 2: guessing and just you.
Speaker 1: Know, criticing stuff.
Speaker 2: So like you know, we don't really know too much,
Speaker 2: but we're just trying to, you know, figure out how
Speaker 2: it might play out. So that's that's five people down, eliminated,
Speaker 2: going from the tournament, four players left. What this means
Speaker 2: that this is very important for those playing a long
Speaker 2: hard We normally bag at three players remaining, so this
Speaker 2: is essentially the day to bubble. Right now, we're down
Speaker 2: to four players. Sometimes we may take four, but normally
Speaker 2: we're going to play down to three. This is what
Speaker 2: depends on the pace it does. But you know, like
Speaker 2: I stat checked out.
Speaker 1: I feel like I do feel like one of these
Speaker 1: years we're gonna like we're gonna play like eight hours
Speaker 1: with like eight people, yeah something like I just I
Speaker 1: don't know what year it's gonna be, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that's that's coming at some point. Like everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: have like eighteen big blinds at one point and they're
Speaker 1: just gonna basically be like folding around. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of just raise and take and that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that is that is the picturely gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have eliminating, eliminating fourth place Adam Hendrix
Speaker 2: and the reason I'm okay cool. So I spoke to
Speaker 2: Adam damming a Bobby spot, but I believe he said
Speaker 2: he just has a couple swaps. Otherwise he's in for
Speaker 2: the majority of the of the which which I would expect, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which we would respect. So that what that means is
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say is fourth place is three
Speaker 2: million dollars. His stack is worth a little over three
Speaker 2: million dollars. For someone that has, you know, such a
Speaker 2: big chunk of themselves, you know they are going to
Speaker 2: care more about loud obviously. Now, if you only have
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of thing, he might gamble a little
Speaker 2: bit because you're not gonna win as much. So Adam
Speaker 2: I realized, you know, he's basically equity of his starting
Speaker 2: stack here, and you know he understands, you know, all
Speaker 2: the dynamics or the ICM and I feel like this
Speaker 2: is the spot where he'll be comfortable, you know, taking
Speaker 2: a risk maybe to try and hey, if I can
Speaker 2: double up here, I can have that aggression on the
Speaker 2: second day, I'm going to have don't forget. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Adam Hendrix's friend group's Shanna Shaw. He's got Francis Anderson,
Speaker 2: He's got David Coleman. These guys are going.
Speaker 1: To be Ben Lynn. Oh god, Lady Gaga. That makes
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is actually very tight.
Speaker 2: Making day two is I think the is more important
Speaker 2: for Adam Hendrix than nearly everyone else at the table
Speaker 2: because of his core friend group, the fact that they
Speaker 2: can analyze hands, they can talk through hands the next
Speaker 2: day talk about playing tendencies. So him making that is
Speaker 2: you know pretty big. I feel like maybe he gets
Speaker 2: the four. He takes a little bit of a risk
Speaker 2: to try and chip up make day two of the
Speaker 2: final time and then have that advantage of his friend
Speaker 2: group being just some of the best players in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to guess that it doesn't work out,
Speaker 2: he loses a flip and he's adding fourth place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I largely agree with you there. As
Speaker 1: you mentioned, his stack is worth three million and thirty
Speaker 1: one thousand based on ICM and I believe I said
Speaker 1: it on the last episode. I kind of expect Hendrix
Speaker 1: to be very ICM conscious, you know, which is a
Speaker 1: lot of times we see the same sort of thing
Speaker 1: at the studio. Yeah, you know, very ICM conscious plays
Speaker 1: and strategy at the final table, and of course here
Speaker 1: when there are the paye jumps are as big as
Speaker 1: they are in the industry. Nothing is like this at
Speaker 1: the WSBM an event. So I would very much expect
Speaker 1: Adam Hendrix to you know, proceed with caution, not just
Speaker 1: like coming and be like, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take the table over. I know I don't have
Speaker 1: that many as many chips to some of the other guys,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna, you know, basically exert my dominance
Speaker 1: and my experience over everyone. I certainly don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to do that. I think he's just gonna attack,
Speaker 1: like very like cautiously and and try and basically ladder up.
Speaker 1: You know, as as you mentioned who you got next.
Speaker 2: There's a very famous hand the WSP main event, Oh
Speaker 2: okay involves a young Joseph Chung oh and a younger
Speaker 2: Jonathan Duhamel. Oh yes, where Jonathan where Joseph Chung may
Speaker 2: have may have punted three? Oh, yes, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to come in on if it was a punt, but
Speaker 2: he was it a six bet?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 2: It was many bets. I was trying to put out
Speaker 2: the hand, but I I it was a big bet.
Speaker 1: It was. I think it was six. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: a fine bet either way.
Speaker 2: Joseph Chung busted in third place in the twenty ten
Speaker 2: main event to Jonathan dou Hammel, left John Raister to
Speaker 2: advance their heads up play with he was at a
Speaker 2: massive shout out, massive chip disadvantage to Jonathan do Hamel.
Speaker 2: Jonathan o'hamma would go on to win. Now why I
Speaker 2: bring that up? He is we've touched that. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: six bet, a six bet a with ace with he
Speaker 2: seven off yeap and into Queens.
Speaker 1: So palm ahead Queens.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say this is we've talked a
Speaker 2: little bit about the Misrahi you know there how he's
Speaker 2: going to be aggressive. How is John was not going
Speaker 2: to play against this? And I feel that we're going
Speaker 2: to get right here three hand to play. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have this mix of Kenny Hallett, Michael Musrahi, John was
Speaker 2: a three of the most the widest range of players
Speaker 2: we could possibly get to the final three John versus Michael.
Speaker 2: It's going to be some kind of massive shout out,
Speaker 2: massive explosion in hands where it's like open three bet
Speaker 2: just four bet jams from John with Ace ten off
Speaker 2: and Grind the calls with Kings and we hit an
Speaker 2: Ace Grind is out in third right and John goes
Speaker 2: to take a massive heads up lead against Kenny Hallett.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna skip ahead Kenny Hallett's
Speaker 2: runner up and then you can flip a coin because
Speaker 2: it's going to be some insane hand between John John
Speaker 2: was Michael Musrahi to just I had the heads up match,
Speaker 2: So I don't know who it is. I kind really
Speaker 2: give an answer, but I'm gonna stick with my guns
Speaker 2: of really wanting to see Waznock win. So Grinder, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to do this to you. The strip clubs will
Speaker 2: be fine. You're still winning four million dollars. Third place,
Speaker 2: Michael the grind name is Rohi, all right.
Speaker 1: I got Kenny Hollard in this spot. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to take a very similar approach to this final
Speaker 1: table as Adam Hendricks. Yep. The benefit to Kenny Hollart
Speaker 1: is he has almost double the chips that Adam Hendricks does. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I think throughout the entire run, I've only
Speaker 1: seen extremely solid play from Kenny Hollard. I haven't really
Speaker 1: seen him get too crazy with like any sort of
Speaker 1: outlandish bluff or anything like that, you know, So I
Speaker 1: think he's just gonna basically try and have it in
Speaker 1: a lot of spots and work his way up. So
Speaker 1: in terms of like potential to win, I got him third.
Speaker 1: Who you said you said you had Kenny Hollerd.
Speaker 2: Second, Kenny Hall second, because you know, the big explosion
Speaker 2: between was Naka Mizrahi and then I have was not
Speaker 2: winning that amateur not curse, but the draft of an
Speaker 2: amateur winning is being broken. Middle America celebrates and we
Speaker 2: see plumbers and competents and lagas all coming next to
Speaker 2: here to the WSP main event, and we have eleven
Speaker 2: thousand playfield, all right.
Speaker 1: I got Braxton Dunaway second, and I got Michael Mcrocky
Speaker 1: as with the most potential. Again, I think I think
Speaker 1: these two the potential for them to play some absolutely
Speaker 1: outrageously crazy hand Braxton and Rocky is like, I think
Speaker 1: that potential is so sky high and I absolutely cannot
Speaker 1: wait to see it. Yeah, Like, I think it's just
Speaker 1: set up for that. I don't think in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, Braxton dun always going to back down
Speaker 1: for Miss Rocky. Of course, I don't think Miss Rocky's
Speaker 1: gonna back down at all. So this is basically both
Speaker 1: these players are gonna put their nuts on the table,
Speaker 1: and you know, whoever can just big dick this thing
Speaker 1: the best, this is gonna come out on top. So
Speaker 1: I'm very much looking forward to it. I think if
Speaker 1: it does come down to Miss Rocky versus Doneaway heads up,
Speaker 1: and they are in any way, shape or form deep
Speaker 1: in chips let's say thirty to forty big blinds at
Speaker 1: least each, then we could see one of the most
Speaker 1: epic heads up matches we've ever seen. Because like, these guys, again,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna back down from one another.
Speaker 1: They both like to play a bit of street poker.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're you know, theory studied type
Speaker 1: of guys. You know, I think they're just gonna get
Speaker 1: in there and they're just gonna battle accordingly, and you know,
Speaker 1: try and throw a bunch of big haymakers and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So you know, I got Braxton Dunaways as you know,
Speaker 1: the second most potential, and then I got Michael ms
Speaker 1: Rocky as the first. And part of part of Miss
Speaker 1: Rocky is like where he is on the table, He's
Speaker 1: got wa Wasnack the chip leader to his direct right
Speaker 1: next to him two to his right is done Away,
Speaker 1: So he's got he's got good position right and then
Speaker 1: behind him he's got Lee, he's got Djokovic, he's got Hendrix,
Speaker 1: he's got ming Guinea. So like those shorter stacks are
Speaker 1: all behind him. So I think I think his seat
Speaker 1: lines up very nicely too, doesn't Miss Rocky. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably the best seat. Yeah. The title of course
Speaker 1: for all the listeners out there. If you guys want
Speaker 1: to give us like your nine in order, you know,
Speaker 1: you can either like pick the finishing order. You can
Speaker 1: give us who you think is like most likely to win,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Send an email to podcasts
Speaker 1: at PokerGO dot com. We'll take a look at it
Speaker 1: before this final table goes live. If you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: just drop it in the comments right below the video.
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you guys in terms of
Speaker 1: how you think this thing is going to shake out.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't want to rank the nine, you know,
Speaker 1: give us your winner, give us your top three, give
Speaker 1: us your biggest prediction, your boldest prediction, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: Again, love love, love to hear from all the listeners
Speaker 2: and the viewers out there.
Speaker 1: Final little segment here on the wspe MANIV and then
Speaker 1: we'll touch on the other stuff and then we'll get
Speaker 1: on out of here. But your three favorite story arcs
Speaker 1: for the final table? What do you got for me? Favorite? Yeah? Favorite? Like,
Speaker 1: what are you most what are you most interested in?
Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out?
Speaker 2: I guess the first one to me will be, I mean,
Speaker 2: are we doing this in order or just no? I
Speaker 2: think it's pretty obviously just Leo Maggett's female Chasing, you know,
Speaker 2: Barbara Enwright's record fifth place. I think that's the biggest,
Speaker 2: biggest storyline. I think that's what kind of a lot
Speaker 2: of them meat you can see on media today, you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's Poker News or all the other outlets that
Speaker 2: that is the story that's kind of taking over. So
Speaker 2: seeing how that concludes where Layer finishes. Can she best
Speaker 2: Barbara's finish? Can she go on a win? Can she
Speaker 2: be the first woman? Can she be the first woman
Speaker 2: to be top four, top three, top two? You know,
Speaker 2: just to keep pushing that boundary higher and higher.
Speaker 1: I also have her on my list, so I'll just
Speaker 1: touch on that now. You know, first woman in thirty years.
Speaker 1: We've mentioned that many times already. To make that ACM
Speaker 1: main event final table, I mean, winning has to arguably
Speaker 1: be the biggest moment for a woman, for women in poker.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it has to be, like nothing will best
Speaker 2: that this.
Speaker 1: Her winning I think has the the biggest mainstream potential,
Speaker 1: Like I think there is some other mainstream potential here, yes,
Speaker 1: but I don't think anything is anywhere near as close
Speaker 1: to Leo Margette's winning this. You know, I think that
Speaker 1: this can certainly spawn some global media coverage from non
Speaker 1: poker endemics and you know, really get the messaging and
Speaker 1: the and the the wording and all that sort of
Speaker 1: stuff out there. I also think that if that does happen,
Speaker 1: I think she's got a really good head on her
Speaker 1: in terms of, like, you know, wearing the Ambassador crown, like,
Speaker 1: I think she's she's certainly willing to do.
Speaker 2: That, especially win Max too, So it's yeah, gonna exactly.
Speaker 1: So I think that she's she's kind of like set
Speaker 1: up perfectly for that should it happen.
Speaker 2: I think we should just add to Leo that, you know,
Speaker 2: the World Series always want to see you know, open
Speaker 2: bracelet events being one by women. But outside of that,
Speaker 2: you know, it hasn't happened so far. But think of
Speaker 2: like the success they have had. You know, we talked
Speaker 2: about we're fresh af Kristen Foxon's was the twelfth place
Speaker 2: finish last year, okay, thirteenth, thirteenth, twelve thirteenth, very good,
Speaker 2: very deep running the main event. Then we come this year.
Speaker 2: We have Essa Taylor, you know, third place in some
Speaker 2: say the toughest event poker event in the world, the
Speaker 2: fifty K Poker Players Championship. Then we have showed a
Speaker 2: oka goodo back to back in the latest champions So
Speaker 2: solidifying that she is legitimately a goat and that's you know,
Speaker 2: Japanese poker player. We've talked about the rise of the
Speaker 2: Japanese this year. We had one win embracelet last night
Speaker 2: in the toss. You know, those kind of things just
Speaker 2: really stamping the case for just women, kind of crushing
Speaker 2: the poker scene and not you know, being an afterthought
Speaker 2: like it was, you know, unfortunately many many years ago.
Speaker 1: And then one thing I do on a hit on
Speaker 1: so I found this hand when she played it on
Speaker 1: day one, Leomar gets it was up against a player
Speaker 1: named DeSantis. Steve DeSantis? Was it Steve DeSantis? I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but she got him to fold two pair. Okay.
Speaker 1: The board was Queen ten nine nine ace, he had
Speaker 1: ace ten. He bets the river for around twenty five
Speaker 1: percent pot, and she goes all in with ace four.
Speaker 2: Say the boat one more time.
Speaker 1: Queen ten nine nine ace, he's got ace ten, he
Speaker 1: bet he has eighteen K left. He bets six k.
Speaker 1: The pot was twenty three. She covers, so he bets
Speaker 1: the third of his stack on the river. She jams
Speaker 1: the river with ace four. He takes forever and then
Speaker 1: folds and how about this she covered him. If she
Speaker 1: lost this hand, she would have been like for sixteen k,
Speaker 1: which you know, I mean, yes, you can come back.
Speaker 1: It's very early. The blinds at the time were two
Speaker 1: hundred four hundred, so you know, still very early in
Speaker 1: the med event. Yes, but I mean it changes everything. Yes,
Speaker 1: it really does change everything. Or what's your next story arc?
Speaker 2: I guess it's the return, the resurgence, however you want
Speaker 2: to phrase it. With Michael the grandam Israehi. Obviously we've
Speaker 2: we've touched numerous times about the fifty k PPC, and
Speaker 2: you know we're comparing this year twenty twenty five to
Speaker 2: say twenty twenty sorry, twenty ten when he final table
Speaker 2: did he finished in fifth. He also won the PPC
Speaker 2: back then. He had three other final tables that WSP
Speaker 2: fifteen years later doing it all again. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's just kind of pretty amazing to see this and
Speaker 2: we'll see how that kind of story, How does that
Speaker 2: story and does it It can end in so many
Speaker 2: ways obviously, right, there's nine places you can finish, but
Speaker 2: I think there's kind of two ways. He flames out,
Speaker 2: you know, the hot run ends, you know, everything goes
Speaker 2: called for him and he maybe tumbles out in seventh place.
Speaker 2: You know, oh it just it doesn't end the rise
Speaker 2: of is right. He continues, you know, he gets to
Speaker 2: the next day at the final table with you know,
Speaker 2: two hundred million in chiefs, and then he just closes
Speaker 2: it out, wins. He's an eighth bracelet, right, that would
Speaker 2: be yeah bracelet and just really stamp his name is
Speaker 2: as one of the best WSP players of all time.
Speaker 1: I also have ms Rocky here. I mean, the guy's
Speaker 1: already a legend. You touched on a lot of it there,
Speaker 1: but this would truly complete the resume, like this would
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, put him into just I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even know Hemisphere iconic status. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it would be incredible. You know, he's one of
Speaker 1: the few still very active players from that you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three each of twenty ten poker boom era, right,
Speaker 1: and he has that that aura about him and he
Speaker 1: certainly if you've been watching him through this run, he's
Speaker 1: he's got the fucking mojo back, baby like he is
Speaker 1: like you know, arms are in the air, like he's cheering,
Speaker 1: he's high five in his rail so like he's gonna
Speaker 1: be great theater on this final table. He's wild, he's
Speaker 1: aggressive at times, almost like times when you're like, what
Speaker 1: the hell is he doing? He's entertaining. He is like,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for somebody from this final table to
Speaker 1: sell poker to the audience, miss Rocky is the guy.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that as well. And then
Speaker 1: what's your last one?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm going a little off script, but who knows.
Speaker 2: The way we've been kind of okay, been making each other.
Speaker 2: We never know, you know, I think you if you
Speaker 2: sell the bio sheets up, but if die Hung Lee,
Speaker 2: you know, can really make a run.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now we've talked about the Japanese players South Korea obviously
Speaker 2: location wide is very similar. But we have a saying
Speaker 2: over the last few years the upward trend of South
Speaker 2: Korean's come in the World Series and having a lot
Speaker 2: of success online Live here or you know WS for
Speaker 2: Europe or Paradise. And I think he mentioned something in
Speaker 2: his bio about, you know, using the money to help
Speaker 2: grow poker in South Korea. So yes, one million dollars
Speaker 2: does a lot, probably ten million dollars does a hell
Speaker 2: lot of more. So you know, if that story, some
Speaker 2: would say it does ten times more than is true.
Speaker 2: That is that math does math? What does that mean
Speaker 2: for poker in Asia, poker in South Korea? And you know,
Speaker 2: is he if this is true, if he's going to
Speaker 2: follow through with this, you know, there's not much more
Speaker 2: you can be, like you can ask from an ambassador,
Speaker 2: a world champ to give back to your country, to
Speaker 2: try and grow the sport that made you, you know,
Speaker 2: famous poker. So you know it's a little it's you look,
Speaker 2: the chance of it happening. You know, the fact that
Speaker 2: he's one of the shorter secks may not happen, but
Speaker 2: we've seen, we've seen funny things happen. I think that
Speaker 2: would be an incredible storyline if that can be manifested
Speaker 2: by if the cause can fall right for Dahung, he
Speaker 2: can manifest that and then he can follow through with
Speaker 2: his you know what he stated and really make a
Speaker 2: difference back home in his Outh Korea.
Speaker 1: I got a different one, so we're not gonna have
Speaker 1: all the same ones, which is good. I'm going with
Speaker 1: John Wasnock. I don't know, the more I've like been
Speaker 1: talking about this guy, the more I've been writing about
Speaker 1: him all that sort of stuff, you know, the amateur,
Speaker 1: the recreational. Yeah, I know, I keep saying the token
Speaker 1: old guy. You know, I say that with all the
Speaker 1: love and respect in my heart. A bit of a
Speaker 1: Cinderella story in the whole thing. You know, it can
Speaker 1: certainly inspire the more casual players, you know, keep that
Speaker 1: poker dream alive. You know, so many of us talk
Speaker 1: all the time that, like you get down to it
Speaker 1: in the wspa med event, it's all just killers left,
Speaker 1: Like it's just that's just how the structure is. Everyone's
Speaker 1: so good these days. But you got a guy like
Speaker 1: John Wasnock. You know, he is an investment consultant by day.
Speaker 1: He's fifty years old, he's a father of four.
Speaker 2: I love this story, right, I love this story like
Speaker 2: like the the non professional poker player in me because
Speaker 2: I don't play professionally, loves this. And I almost like
Speaker 2: I want this guy to kind of win, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I think there's obviously like Lao Margrets would
Speaker 2: be great.
Speaker 1: I want her to win. You know, Michael was Rocky
Speaker 1: would be great. Want him to win. You know, John Wazneck,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sucked in, you know, I think it's easy
Speaker 1: to sell him as the everyman. So that's that's the storyline.
Speaker 1: That's the arc that I'm gonna be attached to. And
Speaker 1: I know that we didn't have it on here, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it your way anyway because I heard
Speaker 1: I can't remember who i'd heard talk about the other day.
Speaker 1: But is there even like a villain? Is there somebody
Speaker 1: that people are gonna be anti sweating out there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who die hung Ley?
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree, there's any one reason, And it's kind
Speaker 2: of a sad reason that way, he's the villain. You
Speaker 2: know he's been wearing a mosk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's the reason. Like people only I
Speaker 1: think the same thing because we see it when like
Speaker 1: Ackston is on the table. Yep, it's just non stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't end. And like so I think people are
Speaker 1: gonna tune in and like if they haven't been following along,
Speaker 1: you know those people that we say always just tune
Speaker 1: in for the final table, They're gonna be like, who
Speaker 1: is this guy in the mask? How come he can
Speaker 1: wear a mask? Take the mask off? Like, well, that's
Speaker 1: that's also like we're we're assuming he's gonna wear the mask. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, assuming when you showed up for pictures today,
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming he's gonna wear it the whole way through.
Speaker 1: I do get some like sub zero Mortal Kombat vibes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, because it's like that type of mask. No,
Speaker 1: but it's that type of mask, you know. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like it's it's it's not like a It
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a medical mask. And it looks like
Speaker 1: almost like one of those like those ski neck things
Speaker 1: that you pull up to keep waring. You know, It's
Speaker 1: not it's not like a I know, I like Hackston
Speaker 1: wears like the N ninety five mask or whatever, like
Speaker 1: this is more of like just a whole neck covering.
Speaker 1: I'm also curious if, like I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if this is possible, Like, is there even a
Speaker 1: chance that basically like says anything about it.
Speaker 2: It's no, it's fine, you can't you can't cover the
Speaker 2: rule things. You can't cover three things. You can't cover
Speaker 2: your face, sunglasses and a hood So you can have
Speaker 2: two of those three. So your glasses and the mask
Speaker 2: is fine. The mask and the hoodie is fine, or
Speaker 2: glass and hoodie fine. But once you add all three.
Speaker 2: That's a no no now. I also with a hood
Speaker 2: is it much difference with a hood in the hat?
Speaker 1: See, I don't don't know, Benie like that, like the
Speaker 1: like the Safari hat that you have, Like, what's.
Speaker 2: The way the way the rule is written the hat
Speaker 2: is doesn't counter as this. It's just hoodie glasses masks.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've seen multiple times players get you know,
Speaker 2: told by the floor you need to remove one or
Speaker 2: the other. I've seen players complain about other players, so
Speaker 2: it is being in forced.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: His mask is obviously substantially bigger than the kind of
Speaker 2: N ninety five's that like Isaac Hackson wears. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see you who knows, maybe he you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe he has a big cold sore on his cheek
Speaker 2: and you don't want that in photos, Like we don't
Speaker 2: you know, we don't know the reasoning behind it, and
Speaker 2: we're not here to judge, but we know that people
Speaker 2: will judge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah, I don't. I don't care if he
Speaker 1: wears a mask or not. I don't. I know you
Speaker 1: don't care either, But we're just saying that, like if if,
Speaker 1: because there was ever a reason to hate on anyone.
Speaker 1: I think that's the reason that people will pull out yep,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think any of these guys have done
Speaker 1: anything or said anything that would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I don't like that guy because he
Speaker 1: said something to a different player that I like, or
Speaker 1: he did something to a different player. No one's done
Speaker 1: any of that. So everyone is pretty much just has
Speaker 1: their own version of a feel good story here that
Speaker 1: I think people are going to latch onto. But if
Speaker 1: anyone were to latch onto the other side of it,
Speaker 1: I think they're going to latch onto the mask thing
Speaker 1: with Lee, Yes, and you know, I mean obviously we'll
Speaker 1: see it in the chat and in the comments, you know,
Speaker 1: or possibly on social media. Hopefully that's not the case,
Speaker 1: but you know, I just know that when whenever I
Speaker 1: Caxon is on something, whenever you know, anyone is on
Speaker 1: there with the mask, like, it's just the chat is
Speaker 1: just on fire. For whatever reason, people just they can't handle.
Speaker 2: Who's going to be the best stressed and you getting
Speaker 2: trap the best as anyway doesn't need to be a.
Speaker 1: Not going to be Michaels Rocky because he sure you're
Speaker 1: not sure he's going to come out with some gold
Speaker 1: jacket or something. First of all, he's gonna have okay.
Speaker 2: Tequila comes, come on whatever, and he's hat how many patches,
Speaker 2: how many brands will be represented on Miss Rocky tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It's okay, We're going to include the oil in Brownie
Speaker 2: because you won't way ask something.
Speaker 1: But it might be on the table, so nobody's had
Speaker 1: I was gonna say six, yes, for sure.
Speaker 2: Funny has actually got a message from one of the
Speaker 2: final type of players, Adam Hendricks, you know, shout out
Speaker 2: Adam Hendricks. He asked me, Hey, if I get patched up,
Speaker 2: does the company need approval from someone?
Speaker 1: I believe the answer is yes.
Speaker 2: I think the technical orders you can't add patches once
Speaker 2: players out of the day, but you need don't. I'm
Speaker 2: not the person to ask, so you.
Speaker 1: Know that's a that's a that's a rule. Yeah, that's problem. Well,
Speaker 1: it might it might be. It might be w a
Speaker 1: p slash poker girl, but I don't think really you
Speaker 1: and I could answer that question. It's probably above us.
Speaker 2: I think the only thing way police is is like
Speaker 2: illegal obscene things like I.
Speaker 1: Think there might be a size requirement. It can't be
Speaker 1: too big. You can't just show up with a patch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that big or whatever that's a grinder will probably show
Speaker 1: up with the patch that's that big.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go with, you know, Adam Hendricks being
Speaker 2: the best dress because yesterday, sorry, on day eight, he
Speaker 2: was wearing a nice little two pieces you know, Safari
Speaker 2: kind of set the light green with the matching shorts.
Speaker 2: You know, he likes to wear brad things. You know,
Speaker 2: he drives the Tesla, but he drives the it's like
Speaker 2: painted like pink and blue, like it's got that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, So I think he'll come very like
Speaker 1: street wearish. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he he knows how to dress and
Speaker 2: he likes the wey like kind of bright things. So
Speaker 2: I think he'll come. I think he'll come with something
Speaker 2: dazzling tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I like it. As long as he doesn't wear that
Speaker 1: stupid Elvis wig. We're good. No, bring that back, that
Speaker 1: is good, I'll wear it. I'm gonna say the best
Speaker 1: dress is going to be Kenny Holler. Oh yes, I
Speaker 1: think he's going to have like a very nice button. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be an expensive one. You know,
Speaker 1: he might show up with the blazer. Yes, nice glasses. Yep,
Speaker 1: nice classes. So I think Kenny Hollart will will show
Speaker 1: up nicely, Layo Marguets. I could see her getting totally
Speaker 1: done up for this whole thing. She's also been She's
Speaker 1: been generally pretty casual and comfortable coffee. It's the final table,
Speaker 1: so who knows, right, You never really know, miss Rockey.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's going to be black, black shirt
Speaker 1: with nineteen patches on it. Probably his hat that will
Speaker 1: probably be backwards or sideways at some point in the
Speaker 1: middle of some hand he'll be ordering many drinks. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of okay.
Speaker 2: Next follow up question, we let's let's insert us at
Speaker 2: this final table. Okay, we're in there. They called it
Speaker 2: when they need an alternate. We're first up.
Speaker 1: What are you wearing? Probably, I mean, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's going to be black, okay, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's going to be some sort of jacket or something,
Speaker 1: because I personally like to be like covered up, Like
Speaker 1: this is the jacket I wore pretty much the whole run,
Speaker 1: other than the first day when I started on toil
Speaker 1: for the US, but I like to just have my
Speaker 1: arms and stuff covered up. I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: maybe there's like tell things that that can happen with that,
Speaker 1: but also it just makes me feel comfortable, right, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd probably go get like a nice
Speaker 1: jacket or whatever on my day off from somewhere that's
Speaker 1: way too expensive, but if I'm making a million dollars,
Speaker 1: I would be willing to.
Speaker 2: Spend a couple hundred bucks on the jackets. Fine, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I would go a cowboy hat. I would
Speaker 2: probably do like a nice shirt, like a button down.
Speaker 2: I would pay a comfortable button down, not like where
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like too stiff, but like it's
Speaker 2: just something maybe a little bit loose, but just nice
Speaker 2: and comfy, and you know the cop You know, people
Speaker 2: don't know, this cowboy.
Speaker 1: Hat looks really cool, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But what I do like is that depending on the hat,
Speaker 2: it kind of if it drops down a little bit, players,
Speaker 2: players can't really see your eyes. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of like to hide under there. May put some
Speaker 2: nice glasses on it and try and look stylish, but
Speaker 2: the cowboy hat does have.
Speaker 1: Some you know, practical reasons. Yeah, No, definitely, all right,
Speaker 1: Well that's going to do it for the WSP Main
Speaker 1: Event Final table preview. We went pretty long there, but
Speaker 1: it was all good stuff and I'm happy that we
Speaker 1: did it. As for streaming Tuesday, July fifteenth and Wednesday,
Speaker 1: July sixteenth, the plan is to start at three pm
Speaker 1: Pacific six pm Eastern time on both days. For Tuesday,
Speaker 1: that is for sure locked in, So six pm Eastern
Speaker 1: three pm Pacific is when the stream will start. Is
Speaker 1: available on PokerGO dot com exclusively. There will be a
Speaker 1: one hour preview on the poker Your YouTube channel. I'm
Speaker 1: doing the one hour preview, so if you guys want
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Speaker 1: plan right now is same start time six pm Eastern
Speaker 1: three pm Pacific for the stream. Now, that can also
Speaker 1: change depending on what happens on Tuesday. Yes, if they
Speaker 1: play super souper long, maybe we delayed a little bit,
Speaker 1: give the guy some rest, you know, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. So right now the plan is six pm Eastern,
Speaker 1: three pm Pacific, start time for the stream each day
Speaker 1: for the next two days, but stay tuned for Wednesdays
Speaker 1: to lock that in. We're going to have on the call.
Speaker 1: We got Brent Hanks and Jeff Platt who are going
Speaker 1: to be joined by sportscaster Nick Wright, which I want
Speaker 1: to try and get him on the podcast at some point,
Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow. I'll talk about this experience, so we'll hit
Speaker 1: on my right. I talked with him in the middle
Speaker 1: of I think it was the three K So he's
Speaker 1: going to be on Natalie Body's going to be on sidelines,
Speaker 1: and then you're also going to have Ali Najade and
Speaker 1: Nick Shulman who are going to be doing both their
Speaker 1: night shift and the breakdown. Yeah, so I'm looking forward.
Speaker 2: To that's gonna be an interesting say how they do
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 1: Two days ago Nick Wright, who's been watching the main
Speaker 1: event the whole way. He loves poker. He's always watching.
Speaker 1: He said, he put on an X at get Nick right.
Speaker 1: As far as storylines go, there's a very very clear
Speaker 1: top three potential winners. This was with seventeen left in
Speaker 1: the main Number one Layo maur guest this isn't He says,
Speaker 1: this isn't debatable, would be the first female champion, will
Speaker 1: be the biggest poker story in decades. Number two Miss
Speaker 1: Rocky eighth bracelet PPC slash main double and acclaim the
Speaker 1: great greatest single dubisip ever. And then he also listened
Speaker 1: to number three, which is now gone up in flames.
Speaker 1: But that was Tony Greg he wrote, he wrote a
Speaker 1: poker fenom who walked away at the top and came
Speaker 1: back and shipped the main That would be unreal, he says. Obviously,
Speaker 1: any winner will have a cool story of their own,
Speaker 1: but those top three, particularly Margetts, obviously would be a
Speaker 1: different animal. So Nick Wright, massive poker fan, shout out massive,
Speaker 1: absolutely loves it. He's going to be getting in the
Speaker 1: booth alongside Jeff and Brent for these two final table
Speaker 1: days and that should be a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. So tune into Poker Go to watch this
Speaker 1: all go down. All right, sir, now it's your turn.
Speaker 1: Please let us know what the heck else happened here?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, And I'm not prepared at all. Biggest
Speaker 2: event ten K six max. They just bagged up Sam Sarvao.
Speaker 1: Bagged up They were supposed to finish today I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure they were supposed to finish today. I'm gonna pull
Speaker 1: that up right now. I remember it said play to
Speaker 1: a winner on the the clock today. When I was
Speaker 1: looking at it, you are correct. Okay, that was interesting.
Speaker 2: So that bagged up Sam Sarvo massive shout out, massive
Speaker 2: chip lead. He's one hundred and eleven big blinds. Daniel Vicente,
Speaker 2: he has twenty nine big lines as he kept to
Speaker 2: nineteen big bindes. Clemens Roida five big lines. So Sam
Speaker 2: Sarva looking to pick up another bracelet. We had the
Speaker 2: Lucky sevens, the seven seven seven Lucky sevens conclude. Nelson
Speaker 2: Murray Sanchez won his first bracelet. He is from Mexico.
Speaker 2: He won seven hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars seven. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's yeah, seven hundred and seventy seven seven seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so hard to say. Other event, eight hundred Deep
Speaker 2: Stack was won by Mariano Barfagon. He won two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty two K. That was a little kind of
Speaker 2: a deep stack turbo. And then we have the three
Speaker 2: thousand plo playing out over here. They just bagged up
Speaker 2: to Brad Albernik chip leader. Ryan Lang second in chips,
Speaker 2: Joshua Ledeen's, Richard Greico, Zachary Swartz, Joe Sirock, Daniel Zach,
Speaker 2: Jeremy osmas Chino, Riemeli Orsigon, JC Tran all in contention.
Speaker 2: There twenty one players left on thousand and eighty eight
Speaker 2: total entrance, four hundred and seventy one k for first
Speaker 2: that huge, huge trust prize there and then two events
Speaker 2: kicked off today. We had the fifteen hundred dollars buy
Speaker 2: in the closer. That's Day one A Day one B
Speaker 2: is tomorrow. That one just completed. Jacob Migle the one
Speaker 2: of the chip leaders, Julian van Pelt and Leo Lombondazzouzi,
Speaker 2: both from France, both of the chip leaders. Day one
Speaker 2: be tomorrow, then Day two that kind of gets a
Speaker 2: little faster, that wraps up to at the end of
Speaker 2: the series. And then the other event to kick off
Speaker 2: was the twenty five k hi roll the Horse all
Speaker 2: the Way in Paris, all the way in the Corner
Speaker 2: by themselves, which is a little weird as we thought,
Speaker 2: but seventy seven players bagged in that one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty one starters KINE class Chip leader Paul Volpi second
Speaker 2: in chips, feil Ivy third in chips, So lots of
Speaker 2: heroes left in this. This has got obviously two more
Speaker 2: days to go, but that's kind of what's been happening today. Tomorrow, Tuesday,
Speaker 2: July fifteenth, Day fifty of the World Series of Poker.
Speaker 2: It is the penultimate day of the twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: World Series of Poker, Day one B of the closer,
Speaker 2: Day two of the twenty five K horse high Roller
Speaker 2: with registrations still open, and then we have the five
Speaker 2: K no limit hold them two day of kicking off.
Speaker 2: That is the penultimate event of the World Series, Event
Speaker 2: ninety nine, and then the final day we'll crown a
Speaker 2: world champion and we'll also run a one K tobo.
Speaker 1: So it ain't done yet. It ain't done done yet.
Speaker 1: Two more days of the w Spmian Event, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff that Tim just wrapped out. We are
Speaker 1: getting to the very very very end of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five WSOP. But we still got a close with
Speaker 1: a bang baby, Yeah is that all you got? And
Speaker 1: he can you know what?
Speaker 2: I got a quick shout out from someone on Twitter
Speaker 2: already let's go, okay, let me pull it up real quick.
Speaker 2: He tweeted us a couple of days ago, no one
Speaker 2: responded to him. That was very ride of all of us.
Speaker 2: Then he just tweeted again. He goes by his Twitter
Speaker 2: name is Doug in Tucson, but he's like, you know
Speaker 2: the name. He puts his Doug in two Son aka
Speaker 2: the Red and Blue Guy, and he's got a bear,
Speaker 2: an an hour, and a cactus in his thing, so
Speaker 2: he's got all of it going. He talked about the
Speaker 2: stream and the guy's talking about how the Horseshoe event
Speaker 2: Center needs a new name. He said, I agree, I
Speaker 2: got it for you. He should be called the call
Speaker 2: a Sum. The call is a call a Sum.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about it. Hit with me, doesn't
Speaker 2: He tagged all of us, and then today did it again.
Speaker 2: He tagged us directly. You know, there might be more
Speaker 2: important poke topics going on this week, but let's keep
Speaker 2: some momentum on this nickname. If you aren't down with
Speaker 2: the call oseum, I'll effort some more options for you
Speaker 2: to spitball on the pod. Dug in twos On aka
Speaker 2: the Red and Blue Guy with a bear, an arrow,
Speaker 2: and a cactus. You need to come up with something
Speaker 2: else because the call Oseum, although I love it, would
Speaker 2: be perfect if we were, say at Caesar's Palace, you know,
Speaker 2: somewhere different. This is, this is the Horseshoe, and this
Speaker 2: is Paris. We're not in Italy, We're in France over
Speaker 2: there and here over there, here were the horseshoes, so
Speaker 2: we're kind of I guess Texasy, right, So you need
Speaker 2: to come up with a Texasy name. I think a
Speaker 2: Western name, someone with cowboys, something with boots and spurs.
Speaker 2: And then we can name the Paris ballroom something very frenchy.
Speaker 2: So that's Coliseum. Although I love it, it's out Doug
Speaker 2: in Tucson, AK the Red and Blue guy, Bear Arrow Cactus.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us. He's him Duckworth.
Speaker 1: I'm Donnie Peters. We'll talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 2: Express