Speaker 1: All right, it's Tuesday, and you know what that means.
Speaker 1: Another edition of Ignition, brought to you by the AW
Speaker 1: Fanhud podcast team, and we do have a couple of
Speaker 1: things that have discussed this evening. I wanted to start
Speaker 1: off with the low hagging fruit, I mean Jericho versus
Speaker 1: Cardona that I know we're talking with this AW podcast, right,
Speaker 1: we should be talking about AW things, but we're actually
Speaker 1: talking about GCW things. So, you know, about three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: we had all that controversy with Ricky Starks and Willie
Speaker 1: Mack getting pulled out of all those GCW events, and
Speaker 1: that both companies just kind of let the internet like fumigate,
Speaker 1: you know, they let it boil on this and everyone
Speaker 1: was speculating that it might be politics or it might
Speaker 1: be an interview, and it turns out, guys, we got worked.
Speaker 1: Jericho shows up to GCW during Matt Cardona and Fie,
Speaker 1: both of which were contributing to the clout machine that was,
Speaker 1: you know, the past three weeks of drama. And then
Speaker 1: Jericho shows up, clocks one, clocks the other and then
Speaker 1: drags one on the other and does his thing. I'llah, painmaker,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done this come back a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But I mean, guys, we got work all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got worked.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: But Jericho needs to find something else to do surprises
Speaker 3: because that's what he always does. He unmasked Farewell, I'll
Speaker 3: do your mask whatever. But I liked it so so
Speaker 3: there's no disheartened there.
Speaker 4: But it was a good deal, great segment.
Speaker 5: I like the whole thing, just for the fact that
Speaker 5: Tony kompool one over on everybody. He said, you want
Speaker 5: to keep talking shit on me, I'll show you how
Speaker 5: to talk shit and he did it right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, like not not to mention that
Speaker 1: that definitely establishes a working release in relationship with GCW,
Speaker 1: and they major league put that company over. I mean,
Speaker 1: their social media is blew up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked they might be signing Cardona.
Speaker 1: I heard. I was about to bring that up. They
Speaker 1: it was mentioned that they offered him a uh, they
Speaker 1: offered him a contract, but I believe that was more
Speaker 1: of a connotation for ring of honor, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I not that I think that wouldn't be an upgrade
Speaker 1: having him on a you know, a program, But that's
Speaker 1: a Jason d aw But to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign the dudes at the top of his career.
Speaker 1: He's worked every single in d promotion. He's thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars just for showing up per diam. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: and he's doing why go ahead?
Speaker 3: I disagree. I think it's a great move for him.
Speaker 3: What else is he gonna do on the nd scenes,
Speaker 3: He's done it all, he's been with GCW, he's been around.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I would do a poer
Speaker 3: appearance contract with him and and they still sell his
Speaker 3: merchandise and stuff and let him run as have him
Speaker 3: beat Jericho and then let him run with that title
Speaker 3: because he he's the biggest stars Jericho is. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: he's younger, and Erico is not able to carry that
Speaker 3: or olish for long. I mean, he's he's great at
Speaker 3: what he does. And I guarantee you this whole GCW
Speaker 3: was was Jericho's idea. But I mean I think needs
Speaker 3: uh Matt Cardona and he could use it too.
Speaker 1: You know, I honestly a hot take. I think Jericho
Speaker 1: has been cooked for years. The dude starting to look
Speaker 1: like a soccer momb more between programs every single program.
Speaker 1: Not that I'm not in love with the idea, and
Speaker 1: I don't agree that I they don't think that Matt
Speaker 1: Cardona is a much bigger star, But I mean at
Speaker 1: the same time, I mean, like the dude kids continue
Speaker 1: to lay a foundation and have and you know, a
Speaker 1: per appearance contract, which I think is a better idea
Speaker 1: than getting signed full time. I would say per you know,
Speaker 1: per appearance with the ability to do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: he wants on the indies. They don't stop any of
Speaker 1: their guys from selling our pro wrestling teas dot com
Speaker 1: or showing up the conventions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly seems like he enjoys working the dependence,
Speaker 6: but mk, I gotta agree with what you said earlier,
Speaker 6: like this is almost becoming too cliche for Jericho to
Speaker 6: show up hit the Judis Affect unmasked. Oh my god,
Speaker 6: it's Chris Jericho, Like, dude, you need to do something different,
Speaker 6: like maybe if you if you're gonna show up to
Speaker 6: another Promotions event or whatever hit like the Codebreaker or something,
Speaker 6: not just the Judics. Fact, that's just an idea.
Speaker 2: Why would you change something that works.
Speaker 7: Because it's getting still it's getting still it's getting.
Speaker 2: Listen. It still does what it's supposed to do.
Speaker 5: It it gets over the people, the crowds enjoy it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if it's getting still to everybody. But
Speaker 2: it's not. It wasn't. It's not put out to the
Speaker 2: people who are fans of a W.
Speaker 5: That's to involve g c W and the thing everywhere
Speaker 5: he goes.
Speaker 4: But second Jericho got in the ring, you knew it
Speaker 4: was Jericho. You could see that.
Speaker 7: And he does the same thing when he does this
Speaker 7: thing unmasked after the judas No. Once, I agree, you
Speaker 7: should have done something like a code breaker or something
Speaker 7: like that, and it would have meant a lot more,
Speaker 7: had a lot more impact if he close on Cardona
Speaker 7: and then hit f with the code breaker because of
Speaker 7: all the stuff on social media, it would have just
Speaker 7: made the moment a lot more impact.
Speaker 5: Let me ask your question as you oh go ahead,
Speaker 5: how how much was that How much did that get?
Speaker 2: Did that improve g c everything g c W media right?
Speaker 2: Did it? Did it blow up their social media? Was
Speaker 2: it a big deal for j c W.
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter matter if people who are AW fans or
Speaker 5: other people who've seen Jericho all the time, it don't matter.
Speaker 5: It's not for you. It was did exactly what it
Speaker 5: was supposed to do. He comes into these into these small,
Speaker 5: not necessarily so small, but smaller independent places, and he
Speaker 5: does Jericho. People expect it from Jericho. He does what
Speaker 5: he does. Don't change something that works. That's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: If you're going to do that, what's the point and
Speaker 5: doing in the first place.
Speaker 6: Let me just clarify something super quick suitting. I'm not
Speaker 6: saying it was a bad like angle I it did
Speaker 6: exactly what you what the intention was. I totally agree.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, it's like, if you're doing
Speaker 6: the same thing every time, I feel like fans of
Speaker 6: whatever promotion, whether it's awgcw RINGA Bonn or WWE New Japan, whatever,
Speaker 6: are just gonna kind of grow tired of it and
Speaker 6: be like, Okay, I've seen this before, give me something different.
Speaker 4: Well, that.
Speaker 7: Is exactly what I've been saying. Thank you, Ron, thank
Speaker 7: you for that, because this.
Speaker 1: Is hold on though, let me expand on that. I
Speaker 1: have to expand on that. So I mean like that's
Speaker 1: per preference. I mean like there are people like I
Speaker 1: want to use Russell Media as an example, No one
Speaker 1: expected the Undertaker to be there, but when But did
Speaker 1: everyone pop the same exact way for the same entrance
Speaker 1: He's been doing literally yeah, since his debut in.
Speaker 4: No. First of All nineteen ninety well.
Speaker 1: Me and Mark Alloway. I was a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm just I'm just saying, I'm making a point.
Speaker 1: It works for Jericho, not to mention it was intended
Speaker 1: to be fan service for everyone that has ever been
Speaker 1: waiting to see Jericho in an Indy. I have to
Speaker 1: agree with Suton, it's something that he's done for years.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like we all pop for different reasons.
Speaker 1: I feel like Jericho till it gets a lot of
Speaker 1: unmitigated hate because his career had his career stagnated in
Speaker 1: aw It's not a secret, Like he's not reinventing himself
Speaker 1: twenty seven more times the dudes carried more titles than
Speaker 1: that in just a name, not even physically, I mean
Speaker 1: like not even physically world championships, like he's had twenty
Speaker 1: seven different classifications of Chris Jericho through through dozens of
Speaker 1: more of haircuts. I mean, like it works for him.
Speaker 3: That's who he is, no doubt also that I think
Speaker 3: it's not nitpicking to see how he did it, and
Speaker 3: I'm glad he did come up and I know it
Speaker 3: was Jericho once Tony conn and said, look, we can
Speaker 3: make money off of this, and that's what needs to
Speaker 3: happen when he put grudges' aside and we need to
Speaker 3: figure out what's best for business, and what's best for
Speaker 3: both businesses was in the find to work together. I
Speaker 3: don't know if Effie will ever be on AWTV, but ever,
Speaker 3: I really do think that it's good for both of
Speaker 3: them to work together. And I don't know who's on
Speaker 3: that roster who well, I don't know who will congrate
Speaker 3: it back together, but if we work together, it makes
Speaker 3: wrestling better, and that's why we have to.
Speaker 2: What better way? What better you talk about?
Speaker 5: Everybody keeps saying that they gave Jericho the title because
Speaker 5: they're trying to get a TV deal. Okay, this work
Speaker 5: is the perfect way to get into a TV deal
Speaker 5: because Tony Coin proved that he can he can screw
Speaker 5: everybody with everybody's head without batting an eye, and everybody
Speaker 5: fell for it, everybody. And there's no better person that
Speaker 5: could have done that than than TK.
Speaker 2: Nobody.
Speaker 1: But just to expand on that as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys made it the max. You made the point
Speaker 1: of saying, like Jericho's presence was wasn't impactful. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: I was not being clear. It wasn't impactful. What was
Speaker 1: more impactful the Chris Jericho being the object or the
Speaker 1: fact that it happened in the first place, that we
Speaker 1: were completely worked for weeks and weeks and weeks and it
Speaker 1: was very well done.
Speaker 4: I mean, let me elaborate on that for you. Let
Speaker 4: me elaborate on.
Speaker 7: That, because no, but my thing, no, my thing is Yeah,
Speaker 7: the Jericho appearance to Jericho Swell was phenomenal. It did
Speaker 7: a mountain of good for g c W. And yes,
Speaker 7: I'll admit Tony Kahan worked us. I got worked by
Speaker 7: Tony Kahan and and as much as I hate admitting it.
Speaker 4: I'll give it. I'll give the guy his his flowers
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 7: He had the whole community, had the whole world on
Speaker 7: his head. But Jered, he does, he does. He does
Speaker 7: the same thing. It's the same Rinson repeat segment. He's
Speaker 7: done the same spot.
Speaker 3: Which he did.
Speaker 4: He does, That's what I was trying to say. He does,
Speaker 4: he does it so many.
Speaker 7: Times and it's and once again when he got in
Speaker 7: the ring, everyone knew it was Jericho, like there was
Speaker 7: no hiding it. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying
Speaker 7: is is it could have been executed slightly different for.
Speaker 5: Maximum effect, but it's not Jericho. It doesn't matter. It's like,
Speaker 5: like like Shane said, it's a it's a preferential thing.
Speaker 2: You want to see him do something different.
Speaker 5: I get that. Okay, it's getting it down for you.
Speaker 5: It's not always for you, it's not always for us.
Speaker 5: It wasn't for the a W folks. It was for
Speaker 5: gc W, plain and simple, and like Shane said, it
Speaker 5: was for the people at the at the ending that
Speaker 5: never ever expected to see Jericho and he showed up
Speaker 5: and he did Jericho thing and everybody knew it was Jericho.
Speaker 2: But that's the point.
Speaker 5: If he did something different, it wouldn't have had the
Speaker 5: same effect because it wouldn't have been Jericho.
Speaker 2: And the story, that's the way it works.
Speaker 6: The only pushback I have on that side is, while
Speaker 6: I get it, he's become kind of synonymous with the
Speaker 6: Judas effect since me into AW, when'd you also say that?
Speaker 4: Through throughout his.
Speaker 6: Career, a move like the Code breaker for it, just
Speaker 6: for example, has kind of been connected with Jericho for
Speaker 6: the most part. Would you agree with that statement?
Speaker 2: So is the Lion salt, So is the Lion tamer?
Speaker 3: So is he and that movie and that move literally
Speaker 3: hurts him more than any other movie he does.
Speaker 5: He's he's using the move that he uses now, that
Speaker 5: is his move. That is what he's doing at this
Speaker 5: point in time in his career. He's doing the Judice effect.
Speaker 2: Question.
Speaker 6: I was purely just asking a question.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's the same thing as going, okay, well, let's
Speaker 5: see Shawn Michaels comes to the ring, he surprises people,
Speaker 5: comes out of the ring, and he does a kick.
Speaker 2: Okay, he does a super kick.
Speaker 5: Are you going to complain that he did his move
Speaker 5: that he's done for his entire career.
Speaker 2: No, that's what he does.
Speaker 5: So you don't have somebody come in and do something
Speaker 5: new when you're making a point.
Speaker 2: The point is they set Jericho in and they worked.
Speaker 5: Us hard, and this just the icing on top of
Speaker 5: the cake, on top of the other cake. They he
Speaker 5: did this. He did exactly what he's always gonna do.
Speaker 5: If he goes to MLW next month, he's gonna do
Speaker 5: the same thing if he goes to some other like
Speaker 5: anywhere you name the indie. If he goes to any indy,
Speaker 5: he's gonna do the same thing because that's his character.
Speaker 5: If he changes his character up again and he's no
Speaker 5: longer using the Judas off, he won't do that. But
Speaker 5: until then, he's gonna do what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Let's shift the uh, let's shift the conversation a little
Speaker 1: bit because we're kind of going around in circles. So
Speaker 1: you know, now, let's put up let's let's put Jericho
Speaker 1: behind us and talk about what this could be potentially
Speaker 1: for Ricky Starks.
Speaker 6: Yes please?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like obviously, yeah, obviously knowing that we had
Speaker 1: all been worked by TK and this GCW thing might
Speaker 1: have been a ruse. Why do you think they pulled
Speaker 1: Ricky Starts from these events? Think it was an old
Speaker 1: bait and switch. We might be seeing Ricky Starks at
Speaker 1: World's End.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 5: The weekend that they did all this, they had the
Speaker 5: g c W thing where everybody showed up. It was
Speaker 5: like that I can't remember what it's called, but it's
Speaker 5: like the hardcore matches. They had same difference having the
Speaker 5: same weekends.
Speaker 4: Are you talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think blood Sport was the last one. I
Speaker 1: believe this was just a normal they had.
Speaker 5: They had an event that everybody participated in Moxley. Was
Speaker 5: there a couple of the people a W were there
Speaker 5: at the same time this is going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Was it the event at the American Dream one here
Speaker 7: in New Jersey? Was it that event because I'm I
Speaker 7: don't remember the name of it because I know Rick promo.
Speaker 4: G c W here in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: But it happened at Heist in the Room three the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian Culture Center of Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: Okay, Anyway, the point was that there was an event
Speaker 5: going on with GCW that AW people participated in the
Speaker 5: same time that he started pulling He said, they were
Speaker 5: pulling out and he started the work. That's when it started.
Speaker 5: You'll know for certain that it's helping Ricky Stark. If
Speaker 5: this event next Friday or this Friday?
Speaker 2: Is it this Friday? Is this Friday? If it's this.
Speaker 5: Friday at at the pay per view, the ROS pay
Speaker 5: per view, if Starks gets involved in the main event,
Speaker 5: you'll know that it was a complete work and it's
Speaker 5: Ricky Starks. Was his pulling him out? Was all part
Speaker 5: of of the work. If he doesn't show up, then
Speaker 5: maybe there's something else going on. But that's how I
Speaker 5: think is what I think is going to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of angles here, so they get
Speaker 1: Ricky Starks involved. Cardona was slamming Starks on social media like,
Speaker 1: we didn't need your you know, second grade fed here
Speaker 1: in GCW, stay where you belong on T and T
Speaker 1: and TBS. He was like, straight talking crap. You know
Speaker 1: this could be you know, for all we know that
Speaker 1: Cardona actually could have been signed and they could this
Speaker 1: could be the main program of r OH. That kind
Speaker 1: of lips lifts it off the ground. I mean better
Speaker 1: than you know. Cardona, Starks and Jericho together, I think
Speaker 1: it's sad. I think it's sad if they're pant pulling
Speaker 1: that attention away from Athena and you won't get any
Speaker 1: thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: How are they? How are they pulling it away? Then
Speaker 3: they're gonna main event.
Speaker 1: One more time?
Speaker 3: How are they going to pull away attention when Athena
Speaker 3: and Billy starts for a main eventing.
Speaker 1: I was thinking in like the long term, I mean
Speaker 1: our Athena has been carrying ro O h I mean,
Speaker 1: if anyone deserves a professional wrestling accolade this year, it's
Speaker 1: the most tolerantly staffed, you know, women's wrestler on Earth. Athena.
Speaker 5: Well, I just think that deck can actually help Athena
Speaker 5: because honestly, to put the whole on her shoulders and
Speaker 5: make her carry it as much as they've made her
Speaker 5: carry it, and it's not like they're they're they're giving
Speaker 5: her other people opportunities. She's been the workhorse period, end
Speaker 5: of story. And if she if they lose her to
Speaker 5: an injury or something else, oh OAG is in serious trouble.
Speaker 5: So maybe this is a way for them to start
Speaker 5: bringing in some backup, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
Speaker 6: To follow up on that side. And if you remember
Speaker 6: at Final Battle last year, who did Athena face Billy Starks,
Speaker 6: who is a Theena facing it Final Battle this year again,
Speaker 6: Billy Starks Like, maybe I'm pulling out Louise Straws by
Speaker 6: bringing that up, but it's just interesting to me that
Speaker 6: they're circling back to the same match, you know, a
Speaker 6: year apart.
Speaker 1: Basically, you know Rollin's I hear the fervorish tone in
Speaker 1: your voice. Are you hoping for a Starks on Stark's
Speaker 1: Final Battle? Oh god, it's a serious question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: That's not where I was going with this. I swear
Speaker 6: that's not where I was going with it. I will
Speaker 6: not be able to watch Final Battle because I don't
Speaker 6: have r O H TV and all that, so that
Speaker 6: kind of sucks. But it's just kind of interesting to me,
Speaker 6: like with this whole situation, to kind of circle back
Speaker 6: to the whole Ricky point is like supposedly he's been
Speaker 6: sitting on his hand saying no to everything Creative has
Speaker 6: thrown at him, and now for him to suddenly get
Speaker 6: back involved, doesn't that kind of raise an eyebrow a
Speaker 6: little bit.
Speaker 1: Of people's eyebrow. I mean, like to some degree, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep everybody lived, leave Temu Brand, Rock, Rocky,
Speaker 1: Myvy alone. No, I think Ricky is like a legitimate general,
Speaker 1: like a genuine talent Rollins to your point, I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would raise an eyebrow, But like you know, this
Speaker 1: could have been work. He could have been unhappy for
Speaker 1: a short period of time. He could have been punished
Speaker 1: and been in the twenty con doghouse, and finally you know,
Speaker 1: stood up and said, you know what, I want to
Speaker 1: continue to wrestle. Let me get myself out of here
Speaker 1: and and pull some strings. Or he could be writing
Speaker 1: his own or if he could be writing his own
Speaker 1: way out to NXT in three to.
Speaker 2: Five, here's the scenario.
Speaker 5: Ricky Starks has been sitting out all this time, right,
Speaker 5: and whether it be for punishment or just because he
Speaker 5: didn't like his creative or whatever, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: Tony starts to work with g. C W says, Listen, Ricky,
Speaker 5: we need a seppure.
Speaker 2: We need a very.
Speaker 5: Good presence on R O H on the men's side,
Speaker 5: to help bring R O H that side of the
Speaker 5: roster up the par here's your chance. We're gonna put
Speaker 5: you in this program. We're gonna make it look like
Speaker 5: we're gonna we're just gonna screw you to death, and
Speaker 5: you're gonna get involved with this with Cardona and Jericho,
Speaker 5: and here's your opportunity.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that help help start so much to get the
Speaker 3: up and not only Cardona but Jericho also, and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that far with Jered co in a w remember.
Speaker 3: Now there's some heat behind it. Now he's been gone
Speaker 3: a while, he says, you know what, you you're just here
Speaker 3: for a cloud. You're here for whatever I've been sitting
Speaker 3: on the show. I've I deserve it. You need to retire,
Speaker 3: you know. And Cardona say, look, I've done it better
Speaker 3: than you. I've I've reached the heights that you never
Speaker 3: will dream of because you can't and you're not as
Speaker 3: good as me. And and a three way battle with
Speaker 3: those three would be very fun to see.
Speaker 5: The only thing you're talking about two different companies. Whatever
Speaker 5: Jericho Starts did in AW doesn't matter in r o H.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you ask a question based off of that statement.
Speaker 6: If let's say they go into this program, you don't
Speaker 6: think the reference like anything they did on AW. You
Speaker 6: don't think like if Starts in Jericho gains is something
Speaker 6: on R o H.
Speaker 2: You don't think Starts.
Speaker 6: Would reference the fact that he beat Jericho twice, including
Speaker 6: a resolution.
Speaker 5: He might, but it doesn't make any difference because it's
Speaker 5: a brand new program, and I don't honestly, I don't
Speaker 5: think Jericho is going to be involved in this for long.
Speaker 5: I think that's I personally think that Cardonian is going
Speaker 5: to beat him on Friday, and that ends to Jericho's
Speaker 5: rain run.
Speaker 3: In r O eight, Erico is stepping stone to get started,
Speaker 3: and if cards he will carry that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I mean, but look at all of
Speaker 1: Jericho's most monumental moments in the past two years, it's
Speaker 1: with him be putting something like look at Action, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I had that Action and Drettie match where
Speaker 1: people are just screaming let's go job or like my
Speaker 1: guy like like it. It made it feel real. Let's
Speaker 1: pivot speaking about things that are real or are not
Speaker 1: and the distinction between someone perceiving them. We have Tony Storm,
Speaker 1: and it sure as hell looks like that she's developed
Speaker 1: quite the personality disorder. I'm gonna stay the obvious. To me,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're running a mental health angle. Shocker uh.
Speaker 1: And it kind of like I like this young, aspiring
Speaker 1: I'm and new Tony Storm character seems to be like
Speaker 1: like they might have beaten the childishness back into her.
Speaker 1: Either that or they're gonna run a multiple personalities angle.
Speaker 2: And what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 6: Absolutely nothing. I love it. It's hilarious to me, but
Speaker 6: in the best way. It's just like, wait, it's like
Speaker 6: Tony is God so insane. She's forgotten the kind of
Speaker 6: who she is.
Speaker 5: I told her said, like I said on the subreddit,
Speaker 5: this isn't this isn't a mental illness. This is a
Speaker 5: complete psychotic break.
Speaker 2: Match. Her losing that match to for the title, that
Speaker 2: was it.
Speaker 1: It put her.
Speaker 5: She's gone, there's no more. It's it's now. You're not
Speaker 5: going to see a multiple personality Tony Storm. She's gone back.
Speaker 5: She don't have a nie, she just has gone back
Speaker 5: to who she was in the past. It's a complete
Speaker 5: and honestly, it's a freaking great move. I think this
Speaker 5: is one of the good She had the best story
Speaker 5: of the year, and it's getting better.
Speaker 1: Well, I do want to point out I don't think
Speaker 1: it kicked I kicked her. I think it kicked her
Speaker 1: a little further back than where she was when she
Speaker 1: became timeless Tony Storm. I do want to point out
Speaker 1: two things. One bye by technicality, if this is the
Speaker 1: Tony Storm we have now, it actually means a timeless
Speaker 1: Tony Storm retired from professional wrestling. Yeah, it's like this
Speaker 1: is the modern day Cactus Jack dude love and I'm
Speaker 1: just like eating up right, I'm eating it up.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 6: Secondly, that that's fun. Is something you said super quick,
Speaker 6: which is I think she actually believes it's twenty twenty
Speaker 6: two because I think it was on collision. She kind
Speaker 6: of pro she goes Tony Storm is all elite like
Speaker 6: on the backstage pro bo, she's like introducing herself to
Speaker 6: thunder Rosa and she's reintroducing herself to Tony Shabani. So you
Speaker 6: might be right that this is like that. It's not
Speaker 6: a mental.
Speaker 7: No no no, it is no what Tony's happening is
Speaker 7: And I saw this when she returned. When she returned,
Speaker 7: she was making all the timeless like she had all
Speaker 7: the timeless face facial expressions. I think Tony Storm is
Speaker 7: having a full blown mental brewn she's gone to say.
Speaker 3: I really think she's using this to her advantage because
Speaker 3: if you look at some of her body movements too,
Speaker 3: she tried to go into his Tony Storm move when
Speaker 3: she went into went to the corner to go do
Speaker 3: the hip attack, and then she went back into into
Speaker 3: what she was doing. I think she's used this to
Speaker 3: her advantage and get people off guard and thinking she's
Speaker 3: doing this and she's gonna come back as thomless. Tony
Speaker 3: Storm eventually she's uses. It's not a mental thing. It's
Speaker 3: it's a mental chest thing.
Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, we're saying that this is the
Speaker 1: psychotic break and not her becoming timeless Tony Storm after
Speaker 1: being an outcast. I would have said the psychotic break
Speaker 1: was joining a faction with Soriah because she's doing such
Speaker 1: a bang up job right now.
Speaker 2: Well so right, you can't.
Speaker 5: Really that's not her. That's on that's on the that's
Speaker 5: on the that's on the booking thing. I mean she
Speaker 5: should be. And again that was something that was brought up.
Speaker 5: I was going to use as a popourri later. I
Speaker 5: don't want to talk about it now, but this is
Speaker 5: a perfect example of what is majorly wrong with the
Speaker 5: women's division.
Speaker 2: They don't use you, You got to give.
Speaker 5: I mean, the person that needs the most credit to
Speaker 5: this isn't Tony Storm, isn't Tony con It's RJ City
Speaker 5: Because the baby, this dude, this dude was insane. He
Speaker 5: needs to be put full time booker, full time story wrater.
Speaker 5: Get this dude a job doing for everybody, because if
Speaker 5: he could do the same for everybody in the company, oh.
Speaker 2: My god, this would be an unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, let's stick it. Let him coach the women,
Speaker 1: like if he's doing such an effective job, like they
Speaker 1: couldn't use like a little more. I'm not saying they
Speaker 1: could use more structure. The whole entire company could use
Speaker 1: so much structure. Structure, dude, but like I mean RJ
Speaker 1: City Rules I turned it to.
Speaker 3: I don't downplay what the Women's Vision is doing, though
Speaker 3: they have some great You know, Harley Cameron is doing
Speaker 3: her thing, making people laugh, her little comment on the
Speaker 3: on the break of We'll turn from these messages after
Speaker 3: she figures out who she is and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: She's doing great. Anna Jay is doing great. I don't
Speaker 3: want to downplay what the Women's Vision is doing. Yes,
Speaker 3: there are some people who can do better, but Sarria's
Speaker 3: had her run and I think she's just there to
Speaker 3: help so she doesn't need much. But the Women's Vision
Speaker 3: is doing good. They could do better, but they are
Speaker 3: doing phenomenal what they're doing. Her game.
Speaker 1: I will say straight up that AW has one of
Speaker 1: the most the poorest booking efforts for the women, but
Speaker 1: the greatest women's locker room in professional wrestling. And though
Speaker 1: they have all the best women's wrestlers on Earth next
Speaker 1: bar a couple of women in CMLL and new stardom.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's shift directions here. We are onto the
Speaker 1: Fatal four way. I'm personally sick of this feud and
Speaker 1: want the belt to go on J White. But do
Speaker 1: you guys think this is gonna work?
Speaker 6: I do. I think there's gonna be some twist in
Speaker 6: the tail that hasn't been revealed yet. It's interesting to
Speaker 6: me that they're doing a trios match this tomorrow. I
Speaker 6: guess on Dynamite it's gonna be Moxley, Wheeler and Claudia.
Speaker 6: I think it is no pack. I'm sorry against J White, Orange,
Speaker 6: Cassidy and Hangman. And you know they're gonna tell the
Speaker 6: whole story of can they coexist? And it's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 6: they can coexist. I'm looking at them on my TV s.
Speaker 5: It's a typical It's a typical go home show where
Speaker 5: you put everybody involved in the main event in a match,
Speaker 5: except this.
Speaker 6: Isn't the go home show because there's still two weeks
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 1: Are they actually gonna be airring? Are they going to
Speaker 1: be airing aw Dynamite next week?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be done on Sunday. I think it's taped
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Ah, okay, because they're not.
Speaker 4: Going to be all right.
Speaker 2: I was thinking this was the next nevermind.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the Hammerstein Show? Isn't that answer?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: I believe too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amaton's next week.
Speaker 2: Look, it comes down to this.
Speaker 5: You can either enjoy what's going on with the Death
Speaker 5: Riders or you can watch and just hang out and
Speaker 5: watch it. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's
Speaker 5: gonna be an interesting match. It's just gonna be it's good.
Speaker 5: This match especially, it's gonna end up being a it's
Speaker 5: just gonna be a banger. It's gonna go out, they're
Speaker 5: gonna have everybody in the ring all the time. It's
Speaker 5: gonna be a typical multimn match. It's not gonna prove anything.
Speaker 5: Can the four way work, It'll work.
Speaker 2: It's the it's the logical step.
Speaker 5: To involve a better class of people instead of going
Speaker 5: after the young people like they were doing in the beginning.
Speaker 2: This is the next step.
Speaker 5: After this, It's gonna probably be Darby or somebody else
Speaker 5: that's at that level. Hell, it could even be MGF,
Speaker 5: who knows. But it's it's that factor. Where they're gonna
Speaker 5: keep the title on mocks. I think he's gonna beat
Speaker 5: Orange Cassidy again at the four way.
Speaker 2: That would mean a lot of room between Huh.
Speaker 3: He can't be for of their best. If he beats
Speaker 3: for their best Queen, then the storyline needs to be
Speaker 3: over less the Shenanigans involved. Then that puts who's left?
Speaker 3: I mean, at some point it has to be the
Speaker 3: give and take. And if you beat the four best,
Speaker 3: who's been a champion? Hey Man's been a champion? Are
Speaker 3: two deserve to be champions? Orange Cassidy's done lost him
Speaker 3: a couple of times? So what's the point? Who who
Speaker 3: would be left? At some point? I think they're certainly
Speaker 3: somebody else is going to join a lot of people
Speaker 3: think FTR is going to join them. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but some we're going to turn the page somehow in
Speaker 3: the storyline or else it's dead in the water.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 6: I disagree with that. Also, you still have the elite
Speaker 6: that have to come back, and you have ind.
Speaker 5: There are so many people that could be involved with
Speaker 5: the Death Riders. You could have FTR come out because
Speaker 5: they've already got involved with them. So that's the next step.
Speaker 5: Instead of being against one person that's against the FTR
Speaker 5: the next one after that or FTR in Derby.
Speaker 3: Or anybody, they should win. There's no reason for John
Speaker 3: Moxley to be They're not a team. It's all the
Speaker 3: goal is to get rid of.
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna have that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: What's gonna end up happening is and he's gonna pin
Speaker 5: Orange Cassidy again, which is gonna leave the option for
Speaker 5: the other two to have another shot.
Speaker 2: That's the logical path for this. There isn't.
Speaker 5: This is it's way, way, way, way way too early
Speaker 5: to end the Death Riders and the storyline is going
Speaker 5: on because then you've wasted six months of time on that.
Speaker 3: I agree right now you're spendings.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I sudden, I boy agree with you
Speaker 6: on this, and I said this last week and I'm
Speaker 6: gonna continue to say it. The way they're setting up
Speaker 6: this fatal four way based on how we got here
Speaker 6: with you know, Jay Wayne uh Hangman having their two matches,
Speaker 6: Moxley depending against Orange cast it feels like they're kind
Speaker 6: of setting it up like WrestleMania thirty nine in the
Speaker 6: respect that in that match for the Intercontinental Championship, Seamus
Speaker 6: and Drew McIntyre kind of canceled each other out because
Speaker 6: they were focused more so on each other than they
Speaker 6: were on Dunther And in this match, I kind of
Speaker 6: think it could go the same way where Jay White
Speaker 6: and Hangman are kind of focused so much on each
Speaker 6: other they kind of forget about Hangman or I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: uh Moxley and Orange Cassie, do you at least see
Speaker 6: what I'm saying there?
Speaker 4: I fully agree with you Rowins, I agree.
Speaker 7: It was a complete like there was a point counter
Speaker 7: they counteracted each other exactly. I know, Den was the
Speaker 7: same thing that's gonna happen with Hangman at them page
Speaker 7: and Jay White it's the same thing. And then Orange
Speaker 7: Cassidy he's gonna get I think either Da or whoever
Speaker 7: is gonna run in and beat up on Cassidy.
Speaker 1: Mar Well Kelson made a very good yeah. Kelson made
Speaker 1: a very good point in the chat. He said, the
Speaker 1: logical the only logical path to that is for one
Speaker 1: of the three to turn on the other two. I mean,
Speaker 1: like and honestly right now, the only person I couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine that would do that is Orange Cassidy. Even then,
Speaker 1: I can kind of see that happening too, I mean,
Speaker 1: like the other what's up? Yeah, I could totally totally see,
Speaker 1: but like, well, if you can't beat them, join them, right.
Speaker 1: We've seen this a million times in professional wrestling.
Speaker 5: But like Rolla said, it's gonna end up exactly like
Speaker 5: that happens, is the way it always happens when you
Speaker 5: have these kind of matches. They're all gonna get a
Speaker 5: turn in a ring with with with with.
Speaker 2: Uh Max, They're all gonna get beat out on.
Speaker 5: They're all gonna do that, and then something's gonna happen
Speaker 5: where uh Cowboy's gonna hit Jay White or vice versa,
Speaker 5: which is gonna get them out of the ring and
Speaker 5: they're gonna start going at it outside and Orange is
Speaker 5: gonna get the pin. That's what's gonna happen. And then
Speaker 5: you still leave, like I said, You're gonna leave the
Speaker 5: opening for those two. This will be the last for
Speaker 5: Orange will either turn or he'll be done for a
Speaker 5: while because he won't have another reason to be in
Speaker 5: this match anymore.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think no, I think Youda is gonna run
Speaker 7: in and hopefully not put a plustic bag of Orange.
Speaker 4: Then, but I have I have involved in the finish.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5: The first the first setup, they went against Orange and
Speaker 5: he got beat Everybody's like, oh, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Who they gonna go?
Speaker 5: Then they had a stepped up hugely by involving two
Speaker 5: of the top guys that are that are pretty much
Speaker 5: totally opposite and have had part with each other. And
Speaker 5: you throw Orange in there, which, okay, that's just to
Speaker 5: keep him active in.
Speaker 2: It, I guess.
Speaker 5: But your step up is it's been going gradually. The
Speaker 5: next after this pay per view, you'll have another step up.
Speaker 2: It'll either be because FTR has been attacked by them.
Speaker 2: You'll either have it to go against.
Speaker 5: FTR for a while, or FTR and Darby or FTR
Speaker 5: and Orange or whoever. But there's always gonna be the
Speaker 5: next step will be a bigger thing until it builds
Speaker 5: to the final where it's ends up where either everybody
Speaker 5: that's on Marxrais side gets taken out and then he loses,
Speaker 5: or something major will happen down the road.
Speaker 2: But it's still too early.
Speaker 3: That world's end. We'll start a new chapter, so we'll
Speaker 3: see I mean.
Speaker 1: We got Wolf in the chat and he made a point.
Speaker 1: He said, Darby doesn't have a match during this pay
Speaker 1: per view. What if they do an angle before or
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show where the Death Riders
Speaker 1: take out one of the participants in TK replaces that
Speaker 1: participant with Darby.
Speaker 2: Allen, that could happen, could be.
Speaker 7: Orange, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 4: That could be. That could end up being the greatest
Speaker 4: thing ever. This could angle.
Speaker 2: I got. I got a question for you.
Speaker 6: Push back on that, Shane, is because Darby is involved
Speaker 6: with the C two and the semi.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, I mean like they did. They just
Speaker 1: did just cut. They did just cut that promo with
Speaker 1: Osprey and Darby talking about their match, and then they
Speaker 1: agreed that. Darby said I'm still doing whatever I'm doing
Speaker 1: in spite of the C two, and Osprey said, well,
Speaker 1: I need to we win the C two. But I
Speaker 1: got your back. You know, after this is done and
Speaker 1: over with, I mean, it's probable that like Darby is
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing what he's doing.
Speaker 5: But let me ask you a question real quick. So
Speaker 5: we went into this talking about how the Death Riders needed.
Speaker 2: To change something, and so the last fifteen minutes. All
Speaker 2: we've come up was about fifty different things that could happen.
Speaker 5: And this is this is exactly what this what what
Speaker 5: this storyline is about.
Speaker 2: It's about being unpredictable. Everybody complained there's not enough unpredictability.
Speaker 3: Aw, it's not unpredictable right now? Sure it is, because yes,
Speaker 3: it's been NonStop beat down after beatdown, and at some
Speaker 3: point there's no given take, so what so what? At
Speaker 3: some point you get tired. It's like the nWo I
Speaker 3: got tired them. Every week Boom, We're going to beat
Speaker 3: down and the end scene was then beating down people
Speaker 3: and laying them in the ring.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: At some point you have to say we're going to
Speaker 3: give a give and take. And if you can't do that,
Speaker 3: then that's not a storyline. That's a one side of storyline.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but here's the thing. And I know Kelson last
Speaker 6: week was saying like it's bad timing for them to
Speaker 6: be doing this storyline alongside the Sea too, and I say, no,
Speaker 6: it's not like you have these two stories if you
Speaker 6: want to call it, that are going to be more different.
Speaker 6: Like C two is everybody wants to go after the
Speaker 6: Continental Championship, whereas with the Death Rier's story, the World
Speaker 6: Championship is secondary. Moxley is like, I have the power,
Speaker 6: so that's what the Death Rier's story is about. So
Speaker 6: it's I think it's fine that they're running these two
Speaker 6: story stories or whatever you want.
Speaker 2: To call them.
Speaker 6: At the same time, I don't see an issue.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Max Caster. You know, Max Caster having
Speaker 1: a huge social networking presence as in anything new to anyone,
Speaker 1: as he continues to find himself in trouble with AEW's
Speaker 1: disciplinary Committee on a pretty frequent basis, this time controversially
Speaker 1: stirring over Ricky starts telling or if Maxcaster telling Ricky
Speaker 1: Starks to leave AW amid an extended television absence, amongst
Speaker 1: other very controversial things He's posted to his personal x
Speaker 1: during the Electric Times and pen post. I'm going to
Speaker 1: turn to our residential Ricky Stark's specialist here, Rollins. What
Speaker 1: do you have to what do you have to say
Speaker 1: on this topic?
Speaker 6: This is just like, this is just hilarious to me
Speaker 6: that since Max Caster has kind of taken on this
Speaker 6: whole best wrestler a live character attitude, whatever you want
Speaker 6: to say, he's kind of gone on this tirade, and actually, Shane,
Speaker 6: it's interesting I want to kind of bring you back
Speaker 6: in to this because you said some you put an
Speaker 6: interesting idea in the chat in our other server the
Speaker 6: other day. I think it was where you think this
Speaker 6: could be like a bait and switch with Ricky Starks
Speaker 6: m Max Cast in terms of the Hurt Syndicate. So
Speaker 6: if you want, I'll let you elaborate a little bit
Speaker 6: more on that.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I I don't think that I mean
Speaker 1: to me right now, it makes more sense that, you know,
Speaker 1: Max Caster at this point tries to join the Hurt
Speaker 1: Syndicate and they turn him down and end up recruiting
Speaker 1: somebody else. I could foresee any of I could see Ricochet,
Speaker 1: I could see any of the three members of the
Speaker 1: guys do get it on on ring of honor like
Speaker 1: like there is. I could see Leo Rush and its
Speaker 1: action Andretti in favor of having another strong tag team
Speaker 1: in the in the faction. I mean, I think Max
Speaker 1: Caster is in for you know, uh, I think he
Speaker 1: had Karmas coming to get him at some point. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's flu under the radar a lot of times.
Speaker 1: The things that he's been allowed to do and you know,
Speaker 1: cross those lines. So I just I'm not confident that
Speaker 1: Max Cast there's gonna be on our televisions for very
Speaker 1: much longer. I think he might take it be taken, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I don't think. I think he's gonna be taking
Speaker 1: the Ricky Ricky Starks doghouse snaps sooner than later.
Speaker 6: I just I'm personally just enjoying this whole storyline. I
Speaker 6: don't know why. There's just something about this, like Max Caster,
Speaker 6: is he gonna join the Hurt Syndicate? Is it like
Speaker 6: a work or whatever phrase you want to call it.
Speaker 6: I don't know, there's just something about it. I'm really enjoying.
Speaker 2: Well, so let's be serious.
Speaker 5: Is Max Cast Do you think Max Caster is Hurt
Speaker 5: Syndicate material?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: No, he's not even close.
Speaker 5: No, honestly, honestly, of all the people on the ae
Speaker 5: W roster, the only person that I could honestly truly
Speaker 5: see being part of that group.
Speaker 2: Would be Hobbes. Yeah, there's nobody else.
Speaker 5: There's nobody else that fits that bill in a e W,
Speaker 5: there's not.
Speaker 2: The bill.
Speaker 5: Ricochet doesn't fit the bill, you know, Max Caster definitely
Speaker 5: don't fit the bill. But I think Max's mouth is
Speaker 5: going to get him gone for a long time.
Speaker 2: He needs to.
Speaker 7: But no, but Hobbs and the Hurt sign kid, now
Speaker 7: that would that would be fantestic.
Speaker 2: It won't happen.
Speaker 5: You know why, because Hobbs wants a He needs a
Speaker 5: face run. He needs a complete face run bringing like
Speaker 5: he said he he may had an interview and I
Speaker 5: can't remember it was, but he said that he plans
Speaker 5: on bringing more of his personality, his real personality into
Speaker 5: his character.
Speaker 4: I hate that.
Speaker 6: Just to explain myself a little bit about why I
Speaker 6: could see Max Caster uh possibly joined the Hurt Syndicate
Speaker 6: and I responded to but Furon in our other discord
Speaker 6: server about this. I think MVP believes that if he
Speaker 6: pairs Max Caster alongside Shelton Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, then
Speaker 6: he can shape Max into something more than just a
Speaker 6: tag team wrestler.
Speaker 3: So you don't have a talent to be a singles
Speaker 3: singles person. He's not Anthony Bows at all.
Speaker 5: No, if you're gonna take somebody from that team and
Speaker 5: put him into Hurt Syndicate, it's Bowen's. Bowens might fit
Speaker 5: now forgot about him. He probably would fit in there. Too,
Speaker 5: but he is I don't I don't think he I
Speaker 5: don't think he fits for the his I just don't
Speaker 5: see him changing to a full on heel like the
Speaker 5: Hurt syndicate needs.
Speaker 6: You might but that can be a blue shipper, But
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: I mean, and he does fit that blue chip thing
Speaker 5: because he used to be a baseball player. He was
Speaker 5: a pretty decent baseball player from what I heard, mm hmm.
Speaker 5: But I don't know, I don't see I just don't
Speaker 5: see a need for another person in the her syndicate.
Speaker 3: I would like Lee Moriarty to be in there, something
Speaker 3: like that, someone who needs to be called up. I
Speaker 3: think Lee Moriarty is still the the Ring of mar
Speaker 3: Pure Champions. But yeah, well what about it. He's unutilized
Speaker 3: and get him off of there. And really they need
Speaker 3: a young guy. They have the core group, but they
Speaker 3: need a younger person. Uh. There's been things about like
Speaker 3: queen and out of going over there and being uh
Speaker 3: and being there female in that group. That wouldn't be
Speaker 3: so bad to either.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate. What about Ricky Starks.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with him in it, but
Speaker 3: he's gonna have to come back and tell everybody he's
Speaker 3: fully on board with a w AND and stop trying
Speaker 3: to have one foot out the door.
Speaker 6: I mean you you definitely have my attention by saying
Speaker 6: that Shane's.
Speaker 2: Friday. Friday Friday is gonna have a you know, m K.
Speaker 5: I think you said earlier that there's gonna be that
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a new chapter. And AW started at
Speaker 5: World's end, same as last year. That was what their
Speaker 5: big deal was. They said it's gonna AW is gonna
Speaker 5: change after that, as sure as hell did because you
Speaker 5: had the bigger storylines for the women. You've had other
Speaker 5: things come around that they completely changed everything with with
Speaker 5: the m j F and and them. If it wouldn't
Speaker 5: have been for the injuries, imagine where we'll be right
Speaker 5: now with this whole The AW be a totally different
Speaker 5: place if you didn't have Cole and MJF hurt. I
Speaker 5: think that Friday is the r o H pay per view,
Speaker 5: and that r o H pay per view is going
Speaker 5: to be a major, major turning point in r o H.
Speaker 5: And a lot of the people were talking about, like
Speaker 5: Lee Moriarty and and some of them, they're gonna They're
Speaker 5: gonna be tied in and it's gonna be I think
Speaker 5: there's gonna finally be a separation between r O H
Speaker 5: and a W because they're going to need to separate
Speaker 5: because of the the way things are going to change.
Speaker 2: For r O H.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if they get that true TV contract. I
Speaker 1: mean r oh yeah, that's great. I mean that's fantastic
Speaker 1: for them. I mean it gets given finally giving people
Speaker 1: access to Ring of Honor without the necessity of the
Speaker 1: Honor Club subscription. Now the real question is, you know
Speaker 1: what happens when they need to throw Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: programming onto a streaming service outside of its dedicated streaming
Speaker 1: service and ever to be maybe to be.
Speaker 3: But would that hurt the MAX thing? Or they together
Speaker 3: or how does that work? Without anything about t B?
Speaker 1: I believe if now let me give me thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: I believe to BE.
Speaker 2: To BE to B is involved? Is it to be?
Speaker 2: I can't I use both of them. I can't think
Speaker 2: of which one. What to B is to B? I think?
Speaker 2: Has is it with.
Speaker 3: Fox three stuff?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: No, they have a lot of shows on like if
Speaker 5: it's on FI. It's like if you what's like on
Speaker 5: TBS and tn T. They have a lot of the
Speaker 5: stuff is going to be and if it's not already,
Speaker 5: but a lot of the shows they show on there
Speaker 5: will be on Max the next day. I think a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff on Fox will.
Speaker 2: Be on to me like the day after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's to me, it's too.
Speaker 3: Like that, but I.
Speaker 1: Think yeah to b is Yeah, it's a Fox. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it is a Fox own company, so it is
Speaker 1: Fox adjacent and correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the
Speaker 1: international network deals for aw haven't they shifted? Isn't like
Speaker 1: in Canada? You know, Dynamites going to us A and
Speaker 1: then you know Fox dropped the WWE all over Earth
Speaker 1: and now WWE's on TBS and.
Speaker 3: And uh and talks on Mexico.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's all jumbled up right now. I mean
Speaker 1: curious how that would translate out to American audiences if
Speaker 1: they ever streamlined that or what service? You know, what
Speaker 1: if I for me, you know, if I ever wanted
Speaker 1: to see a ring of I like, I pay for
Speaker 1: Honor Club. But it's that and the only thing you
Speaker 1: really get out of it, yeah, is the legacy matches,
Speaker 1: Because I mean, not that the not that it's regular programming.
Speaker 1: Programming isn't watchable it is. I just you know, all
Speaker 1: of the best things that happened on ROH happened in
Speaker 1: between twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: So there's just too much.
Speaker 3: One on AWTV for me to keep up with Ring
Speaker 3: of Honor. That's why I think that they went on
Speaker 3: two B. I could go and watch TV at a
Speaker 3: later date.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure how that would look, you know,
Speaker 1: bring the platform is free, but I guess we will.
Speaker 1: We'll see in the future. So anyone has anyone have
Speaker 1: anything else they want to expand on that, you know
Speaker 1: topic before we wrap it up with potpourri? No, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, moving along, So we're gonna get to Pope Marie.
Speaker 1: This is the part of the part of our pod
Speaker 1: where everyone, you know, if they have something want to
Speaker 1: bring to the table that wasn't covered during our scheduled programming,
Speaker 1: the more than welcome to do. So, I of course
Speaker 1: will go last. If I have anything, We'll just go
Speaker 1: around the room. Max he got anything for us today?
Speaker 8: And I got that no oay, So one of the
Speaker 8: things I have to possibly add to what we haven't
Speaker 8: discussed already is I know.
Speaker 7: I just want to touch back on the whole GCW.
Speaker 7: Ricky starts this. That has the potential and I didn't
Speaker 7: really get to that rate on it earlier, but it
Speaker 7: has the potential to be the best thing we've seen
Speaker 7: all year from a W has the It has so
Speaker 7: much potential. I actually cannot wait to see what we
Speaker 7: get from this. I want to I am iam seed
Speaker 7: it and I am ready for this.
Speaker 1: Mh shaddy, what do you got?
Speaker 5: I want to bring up the I've seen some stuff
Speaker 5: in the reddit and on the thing about the upcoming cards,
Speaker 5: and one of the matches that I'm kind of wondering
Speaker 5: about to discuss with my son is the Mina Shera
Speaker 5: Cow versus Mercedes Monee for the their title for title.
Speaker 5: She's the Rev Pro, Mina's the Rev Pro Champion and
Speaker 5: the UH.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a match at the UH pay per
Speaker 2: view in Japan, and I was discussing with my son
Speaker 2: the other day and I'm kind of hoping that she did.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: I pray that if it's a title for title, they
Speaker 5: do not put both those titles on monette.
Speaker 2: I think Mina needs to win them both, and I'm
Speaker 2: praying that she gets to win there.
Speaker 5: And honestly, I think Monee needs to have no titles
Speaker 5: for it to see what she can do with her
Speaker 5: character without titles.
Speaker 7: I agree that, fully agree they need to. I guess
Speaker 7: give A gives the Mercedes Monday character. I guess that
Speaker 7: that soft reset for the new year. We need that
Speaker 7: soft reset. Put the titles on Mina voice cement her
Speaker 7: I guess exit of stardom and and her entrance into
Speaker 7: full full entrance into the aw four. This once again,
Speaker 7: this could be some fun. It could be fun, and
Speaker 7: it could be refreshing.
Speaker 1: Uh wow, I want to make a backwards comment on
Speaker 1: all of that, but uh like the move on to
Speaker 1: really tough time to be a CEO CEO in America
Speaker 1: right now, guys, go ahead, rollins down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's not expand more on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we won't.
Speaker 6: I'm very interested in this tag team match that's happening
Speaker 6: tomorrow Chris Cage and Hug versus or No, I'm sorry
Speaker 6: I said that wrong, Christian Cage and Nick Wayne versus
Speaker 6: Hook and Katiyori Shabata. That that leads me to believe
Speaker 6: Samoa Joe is coming back soon.
Speaker 1: Well the did they wrap the shooting for Twisted Metal
Speaker 1: Season two?
Speaker 5: That I don't know, but I think last week someone
Speaker 5: said that they were doing reshoots.
Speaker 6: My guess is, if you're bringing Shabbaya back into My
Speaker 6: guess is if you're bringing Shabaa back into it. That
Speaker 6: leads me to believe Samoa Joe is coming back because
Speaker 6: those three have kind of been running together for a while.
Speaker 6: But I'm kind of like, I'm enjoying the feud, but
Speaker 6: it's been annoying at the same time because it feels
Speaker 6: like it's been kind of it's been so disjointed, Like
Speaker 6: you'll get something from Christian Cage and then it'll be
Speaker 6: a few weeks and then Hook randomly shows back up.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I want to enjoy this few Like, well,
Speaker 6: it's just been so disjointed.
Speaker 5: But you only got so much TV time, so you
Speaker 5: get some stuff in, you get some stuff you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently Twisted Metal Season two stopped. Uh they were
Speaker 1: done with the reshoots on November. The fourth will come back, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's hope. So, abkay, what do you got for us?
Speaker 3: I want to get a huge shout out to their
Speaker 3: their content off of TV. I want to I watched
Speaker 3: Matt cardonas hey w I loved it there mention a mirror.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched the full thing of of that with
Speaker 3: Orange Cassie and Willow, but it gives an opportunity for
Speaker 3: talent to show off who they are besides in the
Speaker 3: ring and Orange Cat Casside seems out seems like a
Speaker 3: guy that I would have liked to hanging out with.
Speaker 3: He seems like a very full guy. He's around my
Speaker 3: age anyway, so he's a cool guy. And it just
Speaker 3: shows off what they.
Speaker 4: Can do well.
Speaker 3: Like I said with Cardona, I think Cardona could bring
Speaker 3: some more content to their YouTube and and stuff and
Speaker 3: you know, kind of do toys and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: since they're connected with that pretty heavy and stuff. I
Speaker 3: just like what they're doing and stuff. I would love
Speaker 3: for them to do more stuff like that and keep
Speaker 3: on building on it because it's it's tremendous for people
Speaker 3: to get to know who the rest of us are
Speaker 3: and identify them better than just seeing them on TV
Speaker 3: all the time. As as wrestlers.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to comment on that, if they
Speaker 1: they've had the opportunity to grow their social media presence
Speaker 1: on dozens of occasions, Ethan Page, Brody King, Smart Mark Sterling,
Speaker 1: Dan Housen specifically one of the biggest independent merchsellers in
Speaker 1: the history professional wrestling, Like who is still monetizing you
Speaker 1: know his social media presence as Dan Housen not being
Speaker 1: on AW two television. Pulling Cardona over for it seems
Speaker 1: like a cheap way to get something that you've had
Speaker 1: in your back pocket the entire time you've been a company.
Speaker 3: But Dan House is not Cordona. I don't care to
Speaker 3: listen to Dan Houson anymore. I've lost all interest in him.
Speaker 3: He was a nice little side show, but he's not Cardona,
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have the backstory and all that that
Speaker 3: I enjoy with Cardona.
Speaker 1: Simply, you have barely spoken this pod.
Speaker 9: Bring us home, Okay, let's see. Oh, I know, I
Speaker 9: wanted to talk a little bit about the GCW aspect
Speaker 9: that we haven't touched on. Something with a W and
Speaker 9: GCW that I heard about maybe two or three months
Speaker 9: ago was Megan Bain, who is in GCW being interested
Speaker 9: in coming over to ae W. She's one of my
Speaker 9: favorite women wrestlers. I like her a lot She's really great,
Speaker 9: and I think that if AW and GCW is doing something,
Speaker 9: I think that there is potential for Megan Bain to
Speaker 9: be worked into this story. And it also works in
Speaker 9: with Joey Janella, who she is dating in real life.
Speaker 9: And I've heard Joey Janella over the past couple of
Speaker 9: months express interest in coming back into AW himself. So
Speaker 9: I think that it goes a little bit beyond Chris
Speaker 9: Jericho and Matt and and Cardona and Starks. I think
Speaker 9: that there are some other people in the GCW company
Speaker 9: that have interest in AW that we very well may see,
Speaker 9: you know, on TV with them pretty soon in some
Speaker 9: crossover matches or something like that. And I also have
Speaker 9: adored Dan Housen, but he has aggravated me lately. He
Speaker 9: also is over there in GCW, so who knows, maybe
Speaker 9: he'll come back and bother us some more.
Speaker 6: And that's my takee.
Speaker 1: Well, So in terms of something I wanted to expand
Speaker 1: on that, and I'll use that as my potpourri is
Speaker 1: how intelligent it is for AW to have working relationships
Speaker 1: with all of these indie corporations, especially the indie corporations
Speaker 1: that are on a larger scale like GCW, who arguably
Speaker 1: could be considered to be like in that top tier,
Speaker 1: like definitely at the very bottom. I mean like it'd
Speaker 1: be like WWE, AEW, New Japan, TNA, and then like
Speaker 1: four more promotions later like AW all the way at
Speaker 1: the boo oh not AW. Excuse me, I can't even
Speaker 1: talk today. This is my whole, entire, the entire day.
Speaker 1: GCW at the bottom of that list. The GCW certainly
Speaker 1: has a lot to offer. They are more deathmanch oriented
Speaker 1: and they do a lot of more real life combat
Speaker 1: sports jiu jitsu type stuff. But I do believe it
Speaker 1: is a good working promotion to have a relationship with,
Speaker 1: you know, especially you know that they've grown a lot
Speaker 1: of AW main roster guys before they became AW main
Speaker 1: roster guys. So it's a good landing ground. And with that,
Speaker 1: anyone hells they have anything they want to say and
Speaker 1: bring the show back around.
Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to expand on
Speaker 5: what you were saying. I think it's cool as hell
Speaker 5: because for years and years and years all we had
Speaker 5: was WWE and they didn't work with anybody. All of
Speaker 5: a sudden, AW comes alone and TK is slowly making
Speaker 5: one of the biggest wrestling empires ever seen. He works
Speaker 5: with everybody CMLLL, he works with New Japan, he works
Speaker 5: with possibly GCW. He works with everybody and anybody he
Speaker 5: can work with. And I think he is actually going
Speaker 5: to build something that will make WWE look so small,
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 1: Love it, you know, honestly, like I want to believe
Speaker 1: in a perfect world that that could happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: WWE is the company that built professional wrestling out of America.
Speaker 1: It still holds, you know, the title of being the
Speaker 1: professional wrestling monopoly here in the continental US. Do I
Speaker 1: believe that there is a lot more professional wrestling that's
Speaker 1: worth watching than most of what happens on a ww programmer,
Speaker 1: Oh very much so. But you know, that's also been
Speaker 1: my flavor of professional wrestling preference. I watched WCW and
Speaker 1: ECW before I watched WWF back in the day. That's
Speaker 1: just what I preferred to watch. So I guess it's
Speaker 1: the different strokes for different folks scenario. But with that
Speaker 1: being said, I want to thank everyone who came to
Speaker 1: tune in to watch us this evening, the AW podcast team,
Speaker 1: the AW Fanhub podcast team, and everyone else. You guys,
Speaker 1: could tune in tomorrow evening for the Dynamite post show review.
Speaker 1: We'll get that started around ten fifteen. You know. That's
Speaker 1: all we got for this evening, folks. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for turning in Cyanara.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, take care everyone.
Speaker 4: Aye.
Speaker 6: Bye