WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.879 All right, it's Tuesday, and you know what that means. 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:11.919 Another edition of Ignition, brought to you by the AW 3 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:14.519 Fanhud podcast team, and we do have a couple of 4 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.440 things that have discussed this evening. I wanted to start 5 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:20.719 off with the low hagging fruit, I mean Jericho versus 6 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.079 Cardona that I know we're talking with this AW podcast, right, 7 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:26.440 we should be talking about AW things, but we're actually 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:30.399 talking about GCW things. So, you know, about three weeks ago, 9 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:32.880 we had all that controversy with Ricky Starks and Willie 10 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.159 Mack getting pulled out of all those GCW events, and 11 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.439 that both companies just kind of let the internet like fumigate, 12 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:42.960 you know, they let it boil on this and everyone 13 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.280 was speculating that it might be politics or it might 14 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.880 be an interview, and it turns out, guys, we got worked. 15 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:55.039 Jericho shows up to GCW during Matt Cardona and Fie, 16 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:59.759 both of which were contributing to the clout machine that was, 17 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:02.280 you know, the past three weeks of drama. And then 18 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:06.400 Jericho shows up, clocks one, clocks the other and then 19 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.120 drags one on the other and does his thing. I'llah, painmaker, 20 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.359 I mean, he's done this come back a couple of times. 21 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.959 But I mean, guys, we got work all the time. Yeah, 22 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:16.959 we got worked. 23 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:18.040 I love it. 24 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:19.159 Yeah, I love it. 25 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.599 But Jericho needs to find something else to do surprises 26 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.719 because that's what he always does. He unmasked Farewell, I'll 27 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:27.480 do your mask whatever. But I liked it so so 28 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.680 there's no disheartened there. 29 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.680 But it was a good deal, great segment. 30 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.159 I like the whole thing, just for the fact that 31 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.480 Tony kompool one over on everybody. He said, you want 32 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.359 to keep talking shit on me, I'll show you how 33 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.200 to talk shit and he did it right. 34 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:46.400 Oh yeah, I mean, like not not to mention that 35 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:50.719 that definitely establishes a working release in relationship with GCW, 36 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.799 and they major league put that company over. I mean, 37 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.359 their social media is blew up. 38 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.519 Yeah, he talked they might be signing Cardona. 39 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.799 I heard. I was about to bring that up. They 40 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:08.439 it was mentioned that they offered him a uh, they 41 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.159 offered him a contract, but I believe that was more 42 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:14.520 of a connotation for ring of honor, you know, Like, 43 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:16.879 I not that I think that wouldn't be an upgrade 44 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.599 having him on a you know, a program, But that's 45 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:22.919 a Jason d aw But to be honest with you, I 46 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.479 wouldn't sign the dudes at the top of his career. 47 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.280 He's worked every single in d promotion. He's thirty five 48 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.400 thousand dollars just for showing up per diam. I mean, like, 49 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.560 and he's doing why go ahead? 50 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.280 I disagree. I think it's a great move for him. 51 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:38.840 What else is he gonna do on the nd scenes, 52 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.360 He's done it all, he's been with GCW, he's been around. 53 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.000 I mean, I don't think I would do a poer 54 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.439 appearance contract with him and and they still sell his 55 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.319 merchandise and stuff and let him run as have him 56 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.879 beat Jericho and then let him run with that title 57 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.759 because he he's the biggest stars Jericho is. In my opinion, 58 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:01.319 he's younger, and Erico is not able to carry that 59 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:05.080 or olish for long. I mean, he's he's great at 60 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.039 what he does. And I guarantee you this whole GCW 61 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:13.319 was was Jericho's idea. But I mean I think needs 62 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.280 uh Matt Cardona and he could use it too. 63 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.840 You know, I honestly a hot take. I think Jericho 64 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:21.879 has been cooked for years. The dude starting to look 65 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.360 like a soccer momb more between programs every single program. 66 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.360 Not that I'm not in love with the idea, and 67 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.120 I don't agree that I they don't think that Matt 68 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.919 Cardona is a much bigger star, But I mean at 69 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.680 the same time, I mean, like the dude kids continue 70 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:39.080 to lay a foundation and have and you know, a 71 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:42.599 per appearance contract, which I think is a better idea 72 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.319 than getting signed full time. I would say per you know, 73 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.719 per appearance with the ability to do whatever the hell 74 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.120 he wants on the indies. They don't stop any of 75 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.039 their guys from selling our pro wrestling teas dot com 76 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:55.520 or showing up the conventions. 77 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.759 Yeah, it certainly seems like he enjoys working the dependence, 78 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.039 but mk, I gotta agree with what you said earlier, 79 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:08.919 like this is almost becoming too cliche for Jericho to 80 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:13.360 show up hit the Judis Affect unmasked. Oh my god, 81 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:18.279 it's Chris Jericho, Like, dude, you need to do something different, 82 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:22.600 like maybe if you if you're gonna show up to 83 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:30.839 another Promotions event or whatever hit like the Codebreaker or something, 84 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:34.199 not just the Judics. Fact, that's just an idea. 85 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.439 Why would you change something that works. 86 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.879 Because it's getting still it's getting still it's getting. 87 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.399 Listen. It still does what it's supposed to do. 88 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:51.639 It it gets over the people, the crowds enjoy it. 89 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.120 It doesn't matter if it's getting still to everybody. But 90 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.199 it's not. It wasn't. It's not put out to the 91 00:04:58.240 --> 00:04:59.879 people who are fans of a W. 92 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:05.040 That's to involve g c W and the thing everywhere 93 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:05.439 he goes. 94 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:10.160 But second Jericho got in the ring, you knew it 95 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:12.040 was Jericho. You could see that. 96 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.639 And he does the same thing when he does this 97 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.000 thing unmasked after the judas No. Once, I agree, you 98 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.759 should have done something like a code breaker or something 99 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.000 like that, and it would have meant a lot more, 100 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.199 had a lot more impact if he close on Cardona 101 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:34.319 and then hit f with the code breaker because of 102 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:38.600 all the stuff on social media, it would have just 103 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:40.800 made the moment a lot more impact. 104 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.439 Let me ask your question as you oh go ahead, 105 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.439 how how much was that How much did that get? 106 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:54.319 Did that improve g c everything g c W media right? 107 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.439 Did it? Did it blow up their social media? Was 108 00:05:57.480 --> 00:05:58.759 it a big deal for j c W. 109 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.959 Doesn't matter matter if people who are AW fans or 110 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.000 other people who've seen Jericho all the time, it don't matter. 111 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.240 It's not for you. It was did exactly what it 112 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.959 was supposed to do. He comes into these into these small, 113 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.680 not necessarily so small, but smaller independent places, and he 114 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:21.360 does Jericho. People expect it from Jericho. He does what 115 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.720 he does. Don't change something that works. That's that's ridiculous. 116 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:26.600 If you're going to do that, what's the point and 117 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:27.600 doing in the first place. 118 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:32.120 Let me just clarify something super quick suitting. I'm not 119 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:36.319 saying it was a bad like angle I it did 120 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.879 exactly what you what the intention was. I totally agree. 121 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.839 But at the same time, it's like, if you're doing 122 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.879 the same thing every time, I feel like fans of 123 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:57.720 whatever promotion, whether it's awgcw RINGA Bonn or WWE New Japan, whatever, 124 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.759 are just gonna kind of grow tired of it and 125 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:05.319 be like, Okay, I've seen this before, give me something different. 126 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:07.360 Well, that. 127 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.920 Is exactly what I've been saying. Thank you, Ron, thank 128 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:13.959 you for that, because this. 129 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.279 Is hold on though, let me expand on that. I 130 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.000 have to expand on that. So I mean like that's 131 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.680 per preference. I mean like there are people like I 132 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.439 want to use Russell Media as an example, No one 133 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.480 expected the Undertaker to be there, but when But did 134 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.319 everyone pop the same exact way for the same entrance 135 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.199 He's been doing literally yeah, since his debut in. 136 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:41.160 No. First of All nineteen ninety well. 137 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.079 Me and Mark Alloway. I was a little bit earlier, 138 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.160 but yeah, I'm just I'm just saying, I'm making a point. 139 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.079 It works for Jericho, not to mention it was intended 140 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.360 to be fan service for everyone that has ever been 141 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:54.639 waiting to see Jericho in an Indy. I have to 142 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.720 agree with Suton, it's something that he's done for years. 143 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:58.680 But I mean, like we all pop for different reasons. 144 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.000 I feel like Jericho till it gets a lot of 145 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.480 unmitigated hate because his career had his career stagnated in 146 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.560 aw It's not a secret, Like he's not reinventing himself 147 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.879 twenty seven more times the dudes carried more titles than 148 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.920 that in just a name, not even physically, I mean 149 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.759 like not even physically world championships, like he's had twenty 150 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:21.680 seven different classifications of Chris Jericho through through dozens of 151 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:25.519 more of haircuts. I mean, like it works for him. 152 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.720 That's who he is, no doubt also that I think 153 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:31.959 it's not nitpicking to see how he did it, and 154 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.519 I'm glad he did come up and I know it 155 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.440 was Jericho once Tony conn and said, look, we can 156 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.440 make money off of this, and that's what needs to 157 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.480 happen when he put grudges' aside and we need to 158 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.120 figure out what's best for business, and what's best for 159 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.360 both businesses was in the find to work together. I 160 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:53.360 don't know if Effie will ever be on AWTV, but ever, 161 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.960 I really do think that it's good for both of 162 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.200 them to work together. And I don't know who's on 163 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.200 that roster who well, I don't know who will congrate 164 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.320 it back together, but if we work together, it makes 165 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.960 wrestling better, and that's why we have to. 166 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.639 What better way? What better you talk about? 167 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.279 Everybody keeps saying that they gave Jericho the title because 168 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.639 they're trying to get a TV deal. Okay, this work 169 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.879 is the perfect way to get into a TV deal 170 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.559 because Tony Coin proved that he can he can screw 171 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:32.360 everybody with everybody's head without batting an eye, and everybody 172 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.159 fell for it, everybody. And there's no better person that 173 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:38.559 could have done that than than TK. 174 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:39.600 Nobody. 175 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.679 But just to expand on that as well. I mean, 176 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.200 you guys made it the max. You made the point 177 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.360 of saying, like Jericho's presence was wasn't impactful. Excuse me, 178 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.200 I was not being clear. It wasn't impactful. What was 179 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:58.840 more impactful the Chris Jericho being the object or the 180 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:00.919 fact that it happened in the first place, that we 181 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.159 were completely worked for weeks and weeks and weeks and it 182 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:04.320 was very well done. 183 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.240 I mean, let me elaborate on that for you. Let 184 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:07.039 me elaborate on. 185 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.240 That, because no, but my thing, no, my thing is Yeah, 186 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:13.919 the Jericho appearance to Jericho Swell was phenomenal. It did 187 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.000 a mountain of good for g c W. And yes, 188 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.960 I'll admit Tony Kahan worked us. I got worked by 189 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.679 Tony Kahan and and as much as I hate admitting it. 190 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.279 I'll give it. I'll give the guy his his flowers 191 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:29.639 for that. 192 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.879 He had the whole community, had the whole world on 193 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:38.200 his head. But Jered, he does, he does. He does 194 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:43.279 the same thing. It's the same Rinson repeat segment. He's 195 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.639 done the same spot. 196 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.360 Which he did. 197 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.399 He does, That's what I was trying to say. He does, 198 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:51.720 he does it so many. 199 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:55.279 Times and it's and once again when he got in 200 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.159 the ring, everyone knew it was Jericho, like there was 201 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.000 no hiding it. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying 202 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.320 is is it could have been executed slightly different for. 203 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:12.320 Maximum effect, but it's not Jericho. It doesn't matter. It's like, 204 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.200 like like Shane said, it's a it's a preferential thing. 205 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:17.200 You want to see him do something different. 206 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.000 I get that. Okay, it's getting it down for you. 207 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.600 It's not always for you, it's not always for us. 208 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:25.960 It wasn't for the a W folks. It was for 209 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.360 gc W, plain and simple, and like Shane said, it 210 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.399 was for the people at the at the ending that 211 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.840 never ever expected to see Jericho and he showed up 212 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.799 and he did Jericho thing and everybody knew it was Jericho. 213 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:41.960 But that's the point. 214 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.080 If he did something different, it wouldn't have had the 215 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:47.879 same effect because it wouldn't have been Jericho. 216 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.360 And the story, that's the way it works. 217 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.519 The only pushback I have on that side is, while 218 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.200 I get it, he's become kind of synonymous with the 219 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.320 Judas effect since me into AW, when'd you also say that? 220 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.200 Through throughout his. 221 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.200 Career, a move like the Code breaker for it, just 222 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:14.399 for example, has kind of been connected with Jericho for 223 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:17.080 the most part. Would you agree with that statement? 224 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.200 So is the Lion salt, So is the Lion tamer? 225 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.879 So is he and that movie and that move literally 226 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.039 hurts him more than any other movie he does. 227 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.440 He's he's using the move that he uses now, that 228 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:32.639 is his move. That is what he's doing at this 229 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.639 point in time in his career. He's doing the Judice effect. 230 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:36.360 Question. 231 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.440 I was purely just asking a question. 232 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:41.120 Okay, it's the same thing as going, okay, well, let's 233 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:44.039 see Shawn Michaels comes to the ring, he surprises people, 234 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:48.399 comes out of the ring, and he does a kick. 235 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:50.279 Okay, he does a super kick. 236 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.519 Are you going to complain that he did his move 237 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.159 that he's done for his entire career. 238 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:55.360 No, that's what he does. 239 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.559 So you don't have somebody come in and do something 240 00:12:58.639 --> 00:12:59.960 new when you're making a point. 241 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.080 The point is they set Jericho in and they worked. 242 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.799 Us hard, and this just the icing on top of 243 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.559 the cake, on top of the other cake. They he 244 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.879 did this. He did exactly what he's always gonna do. 245 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.120 If he goes to MLW next month, he's gonna do 246 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.879 the same thing if he goes to some other like 247 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.279 anywhere you name the indie. If he goes to any indy, 248 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.879 he's gonna do the same thing because that's his character. 249 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.919 If he changes his character up again and he's no 250 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.799 longer using the Judas off, he won't do that. But 251 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:32.679 until then, he's gonna do what he's doing. 252 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.080 Let's shift the uh, let's shift the conversation a little 253 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.600 bit because we're kind of going around in circles. So 254 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.600 you know, now, let's put up let's let's put Jericho 255 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.240 behind us and talk about what this could be potentially 256 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.279 for Ricky Starks. 257 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:46.480 Yes please? 258 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:53.879 Yeah, So like obviously, yeah, obviously knowing that we had 259 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.679 all been worked by TK and this GCW thing might 260 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.519 have been a ruse. Why do you think they pulled 261 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.600 Ricky Starts from these events? Think it was an old 262 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.840 bait and switch. We might be seeing Ricky Starks at 263 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:03.480 World's End. 264 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:05.120 Well, here's the thing. 265 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.600 The weekend that they did all this, they had the 266 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.799 g c W thing where everybody showed up. It was 267 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.200 like that I can't remember what it's called, but it's 268 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.360 like the hardcore matches. They had same difference having the 269 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:17.720 same weekends. 270 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:20.039 Are you talking about. 271 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:27.399 Yeah, I think blood Sport was the last one. I 272 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.679 believe this was just a normal they had. 273 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.799 They had an event that everybody participated in Moxley. Was 274 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.720 there a couple of the people a W were there 275 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.200 at the same time this is going on? 276 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:39.879 Yeah? 277 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.159 Was it the event at the American Dream one here 278 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:47.720 in New Jersey? Was it that event because I'm I 279 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:53.960 don't remember the name of it because I know Rick promo. 280 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:56.919 G c W here in New Jersey. 281 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.240 But it happened at Heist in the Room three the 282 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:02.480 Ukrainian Culture Center of Los Angeles. 283 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.559 Okay, Anyway, the point was that there was an event 284 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.440 going on with GCW that AW people participated in the 285 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.679 same time that he started pulling He said, they were 286 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:16.080 pulling out and he started the work. That's when it started. 287 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.200 You'll know for certain that it's helping Ricky Stark. If 288 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.120 this event next Friday or this Friday? 289 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:25.919 Is it this Friday? Is this Friday? If it's this. 290 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:30.240 Friday at at the pay per view, the ROS pay 291 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.480 per view, if Starks gets involved in the main event, 292 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.759 you'll know that it was a complete work and it's 293 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:40.600 Ricky Starks. Was his pulling him out? Was all part 294 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.120 of of the work. If he doesn't show up, then 295 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:45.480 maybe there's something else going on. But that's how I 296 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.159 think is what I think is going to happen. 297 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.080 Well, there's a couple of angles here, so they get 298 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:55.159 Ricky Starks involved. Cardona was slamming Starks on social media like, 299 00:15:55.720 --> 00:16:00.360 we didn't need your you know, second grade fed here 300 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.320 in GCW, stay where you belong on T and T 301 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.480 and TBS. He was like, straight talking crap. You know 302 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.279 this could be you know, for all we know that 303 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.440 Cardona actually could have been signed and they could this 304 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.159 could be the main program of r OH. That kind 305 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.639 of lips lifts it off the ground. I mean better 306 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:20.039 than you know. Cardona, Starks and Jericho together, I think 307 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.159 it's sad. I think it's sad if they're pant pulling 308 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.919 that attention away from Athena and you won't get any 309 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:24.480 thoughts on that. 310 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:28.519 How are they? How are they pulling it away? Then 311 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:29.639 they're gonna main event. 312 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:32.000 One more time? 313 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.440 How are they going to pull away attention when Athena 314 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:39.080 and Billy starts for a main eventing. 315 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.720 I was thinking in like the long term, I mean 316 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.720 our Athena has been carrying ro O h I mean, 317 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.519 if anyone deserves a professional wrestling accolade this year, it's 318 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:53.480 the most tolerantly staffed, you know, women's wrestler on Earth. Athena. 319 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.639 Well, I just think that deck can actually help Athena 320 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:02.120 because honestly, to put the whole on her shoulders and 321 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.759 make her carry it as much as they've made her 322 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.119 carry it, and it's not like they're they're they're giving 323 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.599 her other people opportunities. She's been the workhorse period, end 324 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.559 of story. And if she if they lose her to 325 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.319 an injury or something else, oh OAG is in serious trouble. 326 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.680 So maybe this is a way for them to start 327 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.640 bringing in some backup, you know what I mean. 328 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.640 I mean, I'm. 329 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.759 To follow up on that side. And if you remember 330 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:37.400 at Final Battle last year, who did Athena face Billy Starks, 331 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.160 who is a Theena facing it Final Battle this year again, 332 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:48.400 Billy Starks Like, maybe I'm pulling out Louise Straws by 333 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.960 bringing that up, but it's just interesting to me that 334 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.640 they're circling back to the same match, you know, a 335 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:57.519 year apart. 336 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:01.480 Basically, you know Rollin's I hear the fervorish tone in 337 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:03.880 your voice. Are you hoping for a Starks on Stark's 338 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:08.640 Final Battle? Oh god, it's a serious question. 339 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:15.240 Yeah, No, Oh my god. 340 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:20.240 That's not where I was going with this. I swear 341 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:23.440 that's not where I was going with it. I will 342 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.640 not be able to watch Final Battle because I don't 343 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:33.319 have r O H TV and all that, so that 344 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:38.720 kind of sucks. But it's just kind of interesting to me, 345 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.160 like with this whole situation, to kind of circle back 346 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:47.000 to the whole Ricky point is like supposedly he's been 347 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.960 sitting on his hand saying no to everything Creative has 348 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.680 thrown at him, and now for him to suddenly get 349 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.559 back involved, doesn't that kind of raise an eyebrow a 350 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:01.440 little bit. 351 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.240 Of people's eyebrow. I mean, like to some degree, Yes, 352 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:15.400 I'm gonna keep everybody lived, leave Temu Brand, Rock, Rocky, 353 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.000 Myvy alone. No, I think Ricky is like a legitimate general, 354 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.160 like a genuine talent Rollins to your point, I mean, like, yeah, 355 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.440 I would raise an eyebrow, But like you know, this 356 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.519 could have been work. He could have been unhappy for 357 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:29.960 a short period of time. He could have been punished 358 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:33.160 and been in the twenty con doghouse, and finally you know, 359 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:34.839 stood up and said, you know what, I want to 360 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.160 continue to wrestle. Let me get myself out of here 361 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.839 and and pull some strings. Or he could be writing 362 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:41.799 his own or if he could be writing his own 363 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:43.960 way out to NXT in three to. 364 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:48.960 Five, here's the scenario. 365 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.000 Ricky Starks has been sitting out all this time, right, 366 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.119 and whether it be for punishment or just because he 367 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.920 didn't like his creative or whatever, but all of a sudden, 368 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.000 Tony starts to work with g. C W says, Listen, Ricky, 369 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.039 we need a seppure. 370 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:08.119 We need a very. 371 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.799 Good presence on R O H on the men's side, 372 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.920 to help bring R O H that side of the 373 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:19.880 roster up the par here's your chance. We're gonna put 374 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.839 you in this program. We're gonna make it look like 375 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:26.160 we're gonna we're just gonna screw you to death, and 376 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.160 you're gonna get involved with this with Cardona and Jericho, 377 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:31.920 and here's your opportunity. 378 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.960 Wouldn't that help help start so much to get the 379 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:40.200 up and not only Cardona but Jericho also, and. 380 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:47.359 Yeah, but that far with Jered co in a w remember. 381 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:51.559 Now there's some heat behind it. Now he's been gone 382 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.079 a while, he says, you know what, you you're just here 383 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:59.599 for a cloud. You're here for whatever I've been sitting 384 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.960 on the show. I've I deserve it. You need to retire, 385 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.880 you know. And Cardona say, look, I've done it better 386 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.200 than you. I've I've reached the heights that you never 387 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.200 will dream of because you can't and you're not as 388 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:15.680 good as me. And and a three way battle with 389 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:17.880 those three would be very fun to see. 390 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:23.799 The only thing you're talking about two different companies. Whatever 391 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.519 Jericho Starts did in AW doesn't matter in r o H. 392 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:33.599 Yeah, you ask a question based off of that statement. 393 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.599 If let's say they go into this program, you don't 394 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:42.400 think the reference like anything they did on AW. You 395 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:46.119 don't think like if Starts in Jericho gains is something 396 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:46.920 on R o H. 397 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:48.839 You don't think Starts. 398 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:53.599 Would reference the fact that he beat Jericho twice, including 399 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:54.559 a resolution. 400 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.799 He might, but it doesn't make any difference because it's 401 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.519