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Speaker 1: All right, it's Tuesday, and you know what that means.

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Another edition of Ignition, brought to you by the AW

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Fanhud podcast team, and we do have a couple of

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things that have discussed this evening. I wanted to start

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off with the low hagging fruit, I mean Jericho versus

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Cardona that I know we're talking with this AW podcast, right,

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we should be talking about AW things, but we're actually

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talking about GCW things. So, you know, about three weeks ago,

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we had all that controversy with Ricky Starks and Willie

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Mack getting pulled out of all those GCW events, and

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that both companies just kind of let the internet like fumigate,

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you know, they let it boil on this and everyone

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was speculating that it might be politics or it might

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be an interview, and it turns out, guys, we got worked.

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Jericho shows up to GCW during Matt Cardona and Fie,

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both of which were contributing to the clout machine that was,

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you know, the past three weeks of drama. And then

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Jericho shows up, clocks one, clocks the other and then

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drags one on the other and does his thing. I'llah, painmaker,

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I mean, he's done this come back a couple of times.

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But I mean, guys, we got work all the time. Yeah,

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we got worked.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: But Jericho needs to find something else to do surprises

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because that's what he always does. He unmasked Farewell, I'll

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do your mask whatever. But I liked it so so

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there's no disheartened there.

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Speaker 4: But it was a good deal, great segment.

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Speaker 5: I like the whole thing, just for the fact that

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Tony kompool one over on everybody. He said, you want

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to keep talking shit on me, I'll show you how

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to talk shit and he did it right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, like not not to mention that

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that definitely establishes a working release in relationship with GCW,

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and they major league put that company over. I mean,

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their social media is blew up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked they might be signing Cardona.

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Speaker 1: I heard. I was about to bring that up. They

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it was mentioned that they offered him a uh, they

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offered him a contract, but I believe that was more

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of a connotation for ring of honor, you know, Like,

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I not that I think that wouldn't be an upgrade

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having him on a you know, a program, But that's

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a Jason d aw But to be honest with you, I

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wouldn't sign the dudes at the top of his career.

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He's worked every single in d promotion. He's thirty five

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thousand dollars just for showing up per diam. I mean, like,

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and he's doing why go ahead?

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Speaker 3: I disagree. I think it's a great move for him.

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What else is he gonna do on the nd scenes,

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He's done it all, he's been with GCW, he's been around.

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I mean, I don't think I would do a poer

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appearance contract with him and and they still sell his

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merchandise and stuff and let him run as have him

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beat Jericho and then let him run with that title

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because he he's the biggest stars Jericho is. In my opinion,

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he's younger, and Erico is not able to carry that

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or olish for long. I mean, he's he's great at

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what he does. And I guarantee you this whole GCW

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was was Jericho's idea. But I mean I think needs

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uh Matt Cardona and he could use it too.

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Speaker 1: You know, I honestly a hot take. I think Jericho

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has been cooked for years. The dude starting to look

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like a soccer momb more between programs every single program.

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Not that I'm not in love with the idea, and

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I don't agree that I they don't think that Matt

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Cardona is a much bigger star, But I mean at

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the same time, I mean, like the dude kids continue

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to lay a foundation and have and you know, a

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per appearance contract, which I think is a better idea

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than getting signed full time. I would say per you know,

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per appearance with the ability to do whatever the hell

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he wants on the indies. They don't stop any of

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their guys from selling our pro wrestling teas dot com

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or showing up the conventions.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly seems like he enjoys working the dependence,

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but mk, I gotta agree with what you said earlier,

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like this is almost becoming too cliche for Jericho to

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show up hit the Judis Affect unmasked. Oh my god,

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it's Chris Jericho, Like, dude, you need to do something different,

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like maybe if you if you're gonna show up to

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another Promotions event or whatever hit like the Codebreaker or something,

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not just the Judics. Fact, that's just an idea.

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Speaker 2: Why would you change something that works.

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Speaker 7: Because it's getting still it's getting still it's getting.

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Speaker 2: Listen. It still does what it's supposed to do.

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Speaker 5: It it gets over the people, the crowds enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if it's getting still to everybody. But

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it's not. It wasn't. It's not put out to the

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people who are fans of a W.

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Speaker 5: That's to involve g c W and the thing everywhere

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he goes.

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Speaker 4: But second Jericho got in the ring, you knew it

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was Jericho. You could see that.

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Speaker 7: And he does the same thing when he does this

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thing unmasked after the judas No. Once, I agree, you

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should have done something like a code breaker or something

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like that, and it would have meant a lot more,

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had a lot more impact if he close on Cardona

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and then hit f with the code breaker because of

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all the stuff on social media, it would have just

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made the moment a lot more impact.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask your question as you oh go ahead,

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how how much was that How much did that get?

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Speaker 2: Did that improve g c everything g c W media right?

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Did it? Did it blow up their social media? Was

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it a big deal for j c W.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't matter matter if people who are AW fans or

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other people who've seen Jericho all the time, it don't matter.

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It's not for you. It was did exactly what it

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was supposed to do. He comes into these into these small,

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not necessarily so small, but smaller independent places, and he

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does Jericho. People expect it from Jericho. He does what

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he does. Don't change something that works. That's that's ridiculous.

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If you're going to do that, what's the point and

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doing in the first place.

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Speaker 6: Let me just clarify something super quick suitting. I'm not

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saying it was a bad like angle I it did

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exactly what you what the intention was. I totally agree.

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But at the same time, it's like, if you're doing

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the same thing every time, I feel like fans of

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whatever promotion, whether it's awgcw RINGA Bonn or WWE New Japan, whatever,

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are just gonna kind of grow tired of it and

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be like, Okay, I've seen this before, give me something different.

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Speaker 4: Well, that.

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Speaker 7: Is exactly what I've been saying. Thank you, Ron, thank

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you for that, because this.

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Speaker 1: Is hold on though, let me expand on that. I

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have to expand on that. So I mean like that's

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per preference. I mean like there are people like I

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want to use Russell Media as an example, No one

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expected the Undertaker to be there, but when But did

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everyone pop the same exact way for the same entrance

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He's been doing literally yeah, since his debut in.

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Speaker 4: No. First of All nineteen ninety well.

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Speaker 1: Me and Mark Alloway. I was a little bit earlier,

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but yeah, I'm just I'm just saying, I'm making a point.

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It works for Jericho, not to mention it was intended

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to be fan service for everyone that has ever been

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waiting to see Jericho in an Indy. I have to

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agree with Suton, it's something that he's done for years.

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But I mean, like we all pop for different reasons.

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I feel like Jericho till it gets a lot of

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unmitigated hate because his career had his career stagnated in

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aw It's not a secret, Like he's not reinventing himself

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twenty seven more times the dudes carried more titles than

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that in just a name, not even physically, I mean

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like not even physically world championships, like he's had twenty

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seven different classifications of Chris Jericho through through dozens of

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more of haircuts. I mean, like it works for him.

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Speaker 3: That's who he is, no doubt also that I think

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it's not nitpicking to see how he did it, and

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I'm glad he did come up and I know it

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was Jericho once Tony conn and said, look, we can

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make money off of this, and that's what needs to

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happen when he put grudges' aside and we need to

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figure out what's best for business, and what's best for

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both businesses was in the find to work together. I

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don't know if Effie will ever be on AWTV, but ever,

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I really do think that it's good for both of

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them to work together. And I don't know who's on

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that roster who well, I don't know who will congrate

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it back together, but if we work together, it makes

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wrestling better, and that's why we have to.

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Speaker 2: What better way? What better you talk about?

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Speaker 5: Everybody keeps saying that they gave Jericho the title because

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they're trying to get a TV deal. Okay, this work

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is the perfect way to get into a TV deal

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because Tony Coin proved that he can he can screw

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everybody with everybody's head without batting an eye, and everybody

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fell for it, everybody. And there's no better person that

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could have done that than than TK.

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Speaker 2: Nobody.

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Speaker 1: But just to expand on that as well. I mean,

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you guys made it the max. You made the point

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of saying, like Jericho's presence was wasn't impactful. Excuse me,

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I was not being clear. It wasn't impactful. What was

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more impactful the Chris Jericho being the object or the

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fact that it happened in the first place, that we

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were completely worked for weeks and weeks and weeks and it

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was very well done.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let me elaborate on that for you. Let

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me elaborate on.

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Speaker 7: That, because no, but my thing, no, my thing is Yeah,

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the Jericho appearance to Jericho Swell was phenomenal. It did

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a mountain of good for g c W. And yes,

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I'll admit Tony Kahan worked us. I got worked by

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Tony Kahan and and as much as I hate admitting it.

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Speaker 4: I'll give it. I'll give the guy his his flowers

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for that.

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Speaker 7: He had the whole community, had the whole world on

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his head. But Jered, he does, he does. He does

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the same thing. It's the same Rinson repeat segment. He's

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done the same spot.

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Speaker 3: Which he did.

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Speaker 4: He does, That's what I was trying to say. He does,

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he does it so many.

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Speaker 7: Times and it's and once again when he got in

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the ring, everyone knew it was Jericho, like there was

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no hiding it. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying

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is is it could have been executed slightly different for.

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Speaker 5: Maximum effect, but it's not Jericho. It doesn't matter. It's like,

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like like Shane said, it's a it's a preferential thing.

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Speaker 2: You want to see him do something different.

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Speaker 5: I get that. Okay, it's getting it down for you.

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It's not always for you, it's not always for us.

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It wasn't for the a W folks. It was for

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gc W, plain and simple, and like Shane said, it

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was for the people at the at the ending that

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never ever expected to see Jericho and he showed up

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and he did Jericho thing and everybody knew it was Jericho.

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Speaker 2: But that's the point.

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Speaker 5: If he did something different, it wouldn't have had the

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same effect because it wouldn't have been Jericho.

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Speaker 2: And the story, that's the way it works.

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Speaker 6: The only pushback I have on that side is, while

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I get it, he's become kind of synonymous with the

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Judas effect since me into AW, when'd you also say that?

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Speaker 4: Through throughout his.

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Speaker 6: Career, a move like the Code breaker for it, just

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for example, has kind of been connected with Jericho for

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the most part. Would you agree with that statement?

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Speaker 2: So is the Lion salt, So is the Lion tamer?

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Speaker 3: So is he and that movie and that move literally

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hurts him more than any other movie he does.

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Speaker 5: He's he's using the move that he uses now, that

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is his move. That is what he's doing at this

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point in time in his career. He's doing the Judice effect.

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Speaker 2: Question.

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Speaker 6: I was purely just asking a question.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's the same thing as going, okay, well, let's

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see Shawn Michaels comes to the ring, he surprises people,

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comes out of the ring, and he does a kick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he does a super kick.

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Speaker 5: Are you going to complain that he did his move

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that he's done for his entire career.

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Speaker 2: No, that's what he does.

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Speaker 5: So you don't have somebody come in and do something

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new when you're making a point.

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Speaker 2: The point is they set Jericho in and they worked.

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Speaker 5: Us hard, and this just the icing on top of

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the cake, on top of the other cake. They he

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did this. He did exactly what he's always gonna do.

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the same thing if he goes to some other like

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anywhere you name the indie. If he goes to any indy,

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he's gonna do the same thing because that's his character.

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longer using the Judas off, he won't do that. But

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until then, he's gonna do what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Let's shift the uh, let's shift the conversation a little

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bit because we're kind of going around in circles. So

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you know, now, let's put up let's let's put Jericho

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behind us and talk about what this could be potentially

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for Ricky Starks.

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Speaker 6: Yes please?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So like obviously, yeah, obviously knowing that we had

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all been worked by TK and this GCW thing might

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have been a ruse. Why do you think they pulled

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Ricky Starts from these events? Think it was an old

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bait and switch. We might be seeing Ricky Starks at

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World's End.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: The weekend that they did all this, they had the

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g c W thing where everybody showed up. It was

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like that I can't remember what it's called, but it's

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like the hardcore matches. They had same difference having the

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Speaker 4: Are you talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think blood Sport was the last one. I

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believe this was just a normal they had.

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Speaker 5: They had an event that everybody participated in Moxley. Was

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there a couple of the people a W were there

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at the same time this is going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Was it the event at the American Dream one here

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in New Jersey? Was it that event because I'm I

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don't remember the name of it because I know Rick promo.

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Speaker 4: G c W here in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: But it happened at Heist in the Room three the

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Ukrainian Culture Center of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Anyway, the point was that there was an event

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going on with GCW that AW people participated in the

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same time that he started pulling He said, they were

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pulling out and he started the work. That's when it started.

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You'll know for certain that it's helping Ricky Stark. If

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this event next Friday or this Friday?

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Speaker 2: Is it this Friday? Is this Friday? If it's this.

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Speaker 5: Friday at at the pay per view, the ROS pay

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per view, if Starks gets involved in the main event,

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you'll know that it was a complete work and it's

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Ricky Starks. Was his pulling him out? Was all part

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of of the work. If he doesn't show up, then

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maybe there's something else going on. But that's how I

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think is what I think is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of angles here, so they get

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Ricky Starks involved. Cardona was slamming Starks on social media like,

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we didn't need your you know, second grade fed here

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in GCW, stay where you belong on T and T

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and TBS. He was like, straight talking crap. You know

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this could be you know, for all we know that

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Cardona actually could have been signed and they could this

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could be the main program of r OH. That kind

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of lips lifts it off the ground. I mean better

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than you know. Cardona, Starks and Jericho together, I think

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it's sad. I think it's sad if they're pant pulling

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that attention away from Athena and you won't get any

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thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: How are they? How are they pulling it away? Then

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they're gonna main event.

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Speaker 1: One more time?

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Speaker 3: How are they going to pull away attention when Athena

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and Billy starts for a main eventing.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking in like the long term, I mean

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our Athena has been carrying ro O h I mean,

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if anyone deserves a professional wrestling accolade this year, it's

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the most tolerantly staffed, you know, women's wrestler on Earth. Athena.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just think that deck can actually help Athena

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because honestly, to put the whole on her shoulders and

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make her carry it as much as they've made her

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carry it, and it's not like they're they're they're giving

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her other people opportunities. She's been the workhorse period, end

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of story. And if she if they lose her to

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an injury or something else, oh OAG is in serious trouble.

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So maybe this is a way for them to start

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bringing in some backup, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 6: To follow up on that side. And if you remember

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at Final Battle last year, who did Athena face Billy Starks,

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who is a Theena facing it Final Battle this year again,

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Billy Starks Like, maybe I'm pulling out Louise Straws by

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bringing that up, but it's just interesting to me that

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they're circling back to the same match, you know, a

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year apart.

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Speaker 1: Basically, you know Rollin's I hear the fervorish tone in

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your voice. Are you hoping for a Starks on Stark's

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Final Battle? Oh god, it's a serious question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Oh my god.

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Speaker 6: That's not where I was going with this. I swear

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that's not where I was going with it. I will

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not be able to watch Final Battle because I don't

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have r O H TV and all that, so that

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kind of sucks. But it's just kind of interesting to me,

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like with this whole situation, to kind of circle back

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to the whole Ricky point is like supposedly he's been

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sitting on his hand saying no to everything Creative has

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thrown at him, and now for him to suddenly get

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back involved, doesn't that kind of raise an eyebrow a

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little bit.

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Speaker 1: Of people's eyebrow. I mean, like to some degree, Yes,

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I'm gonna keep everybody lived, leave Temu Brand, Rock, Rocky,

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Myvy alone. No, I think Ricky is like a legitimate general,

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like a genuine talent Rollins to your point, I mean, like, yeah,

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I would raise an eyebrow, But like you know, this

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could have been work. He could have been unhappy for

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a short period of time. He could have been punished

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and been in the twenty con doghouse, and finally you know,

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stood up and said, you know what, I want to

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continue to wrestle. Let me get myself out of here

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and and pull some strings. Or he could be writing

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his own or if he could be writing his own

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way out to NXT in three to.

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Speaker 2: Five, here's the scenario.

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Speaker 5: Ricky Starks has been sitting out all this time, right,

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and whether it be for punishment or just because he

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didn't like his creative or whatever, but all of a sudden,

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Tony starts to work with g. C W says, Listen, Ricky,

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we need a seppure.

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Speaker 2: We need a very.

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Speaker 5: Good presence on R O H on the men's side,

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to help bring R O H that side of the

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roster up the par here's your chance. We're gonna put

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you in this program. We're gonna make it look like

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we're gonna we're just gonna screw you to death, and

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you're gonna get involved with this with Cardona and Jericho,

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and here's your opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that help help start so much to get the

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up and not only Cardona but Jericho also, and.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but that far with Jered co in a w remember.

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Speaker 3: Now there's some heat behind it. Now he's been gone

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a while, he says, you know what, you you're just here

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for a cloud. You're here for whatever I've been sitting

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on the show. I've I deserve it. You need to retire,

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you know. And Cardona say, look, I've done it better

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than you. I've I've reached the heights that you never

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will dream of because you can't and you're not as

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good as me. And and a three way battle with

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those three would be very fun to see.

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Speaker 5: The only thing you're talking about two different companies. Whatever

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Jericho Starts did in AW doesn't matter in r o H.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you ask a question based off of that statement.

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If let's say they go into this program, you don't

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think the reference like anything they did on AW. You

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don't think like if Starts in Jericho gains is something

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on R o H.

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Speaker 2: You don't think Starts.

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Speaker 6: Would reference the fact that he beat Jericho twice, including

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a resolution.

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Speaker 5: He might, but it doesn't make any difference because it's

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a brand new program, and I don't honestly, I don't

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think Jericho is going to be involved in this for long.

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I think that's I personally think that Cardonian is going

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to beat him on Friday, and that ends to Jericho's

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rain run.

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Speaker 3: In r O eight, Erico is stepping stone to get started,

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and if cards he will carry that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's I mean, but look at all of

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Jericho's most monumental moments in the past two years, it's

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with him be putting something like look at Action, Oh

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my god, I had that Action and Drettie match where

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people are just screaming let's go job or like my

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guy like like it. It made it feel real. Let's

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pivot speaking about things that are real or are not

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and the distinction between someone perceiving them. We have Tony Storm,

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and it sure as hell looks like that she's developed

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quite the personality disorder. I'm gonna stay the obvious. To me,

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it looks like they're running a mental health angle. Shocker uh.

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And it kind of like I like this young, aspiring

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I'm and new Tony Storm character seems to be like

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like they might have beaten the childishness back into her.

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Either that or they're gonna run a multiple personalities angle.

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Speaker 2: And what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 1: Nothing?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely nothing. I love it. It's hilarious to me, but

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in the best way. It's just like, wait, it's like

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Tony is God so insane. She's forgotten the kind of

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who she is.

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Speaker 5: I told her said, like I said on the subreddit,

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this isn't this isn't a mental illness. This is a

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complete psychotic break.

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Speaker 2: Match. Her losing that match to for the title, that

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was it.

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Speaker 1: It put her.

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Speaker 5: She's gone, there's no more. It's it's now. You're not

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going to see a multiple personality Tony Storm. She's gone back.

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She don't have a nie, she just has gone back

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to who she was in the past. It's a complete

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and honestly, it's a freaking great move. I think this

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is one of the good She had the best story

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of the year, and it's getting better.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do want to point out I don't think

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it kicked I kicked her. I think it kicked her

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a little further back than where she was when she

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became timeless Tony Storm. I do want to point out

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two things. One bye by technicality, if this is the

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Tony Storm we have now, it actually means a timeless

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Tony Storm retired from professional wrestling. Yeah, it's like this

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is the modern day Cactus Jack dude love and I'm

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just like eating up right, I'm eating it up.

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Speaker 7: Like.

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Speaker 6: Secondly, that that's fun. Is something you said super quick,

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which is I think she actually believes it's twenty twenty

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two because I think it was on collision. She kind

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of pro she goes Tony Storm is all elite like

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on the backstage pro bo, she's like introducing herself to

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thunder Rosa and she's reintroducing herself to Tony Shabani. So you

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might be right that this is like that. It's not

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a mental.

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Speaker 7: No no no, it is no what Tony's happening is

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And I saw this when she returned. When she returned,

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she was making all the timeless like she had all

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the timeless face facial expressions. I think Tony Storm is

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having a full blown mental brewn she's gone to say.

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Speaker 3: I really think she's using this to her advantage because

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if you look at some of her body movements too,

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she tried to go into his Tony Storm move when

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she went into went to the corner to go do

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the hip attack, and then she went back into into

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what she was doing. I think she's used this to

471
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,519
her advantage and get people off guard and thinking she's

472
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:04,240
doing this and she's gonna come back as thomless. Tony

473
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,960
Storm eventually she's uses. It's not a mental thing. It's

474
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,480
it's a mental chest thing.

475
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, we're saying that this is the

476
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,680
psychotic break and not her becoming timeless Tony Storm after

477
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,119
being an outcast. I would have said the psychotic break

478
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,319
was joining a faction with Soriah because she's doing such

479
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:21,759
a bang up job right now.

480
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: Well so right, you can't.

481
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: Really that's not her. That's on that's on the that's

482
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,960
on the that's on the booking thing. I mean she

483
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,960
should be. And again that was something that was brought up.

484
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,720
I was going to use as a popourri later. I

485
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,400
don't want to talk about it now, but this is

486
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,200
a perfect example of what is majorly wrong with the

487
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,960
women's division.

488
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,599
Speaker 2: They don't use you, You got to give.

489
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 5: I mean, the person that needs the most credit to

490
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,920
this isn't Tony Storm, isn't Tony con It's RJ City

491
00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:00,559
Because the baby, this dude, this dude was insane. He

492
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,559
needs to be put full time booker, full time story wrater.

493
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,400
Get this dude a job doing for everybody, because if

494
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,319
he could do the same for everybody in the company, oh.

495
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,759
Speaker 2: My god, this would be an unbelievable.

496
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: I'd be like, let's stick it. Let him coach the women,

497
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,519
like if he's doing such an effective job, like they

498
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,319
couldn't use like a little more. I'm not saying they

499
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:24,720
could use more structure. The whole entire company could use

500
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,079
so much structure. Structure, dude, but like I mean RJ

501
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,119
City Rules I turned it to.

502
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,599
Speaker 3: I don't downplay what the Women's Vision is doing, though

503
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,000
they have some great You know, Harley Cameron is doing

504
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,559
her thing, making people laugh, her little comment on the

505
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:44,160
on the break of We'll turn from these messages after

506
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,039
she figures out who she is and stuff like that,

507
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,559
She's doing great. Anna Jay is doing great. I don't

508
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,519
want to downplay what the Women's Vision is doing. Yes,

509
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,920
there are some people who can do better, but Sarria's

510
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,039
had her run and I think she's just there to

511
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,640
help so she doesn't need much. But the Women's Vision

512
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,599
is doing good. They could do better, but they are

513
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:05,880
doing phenomenal what they're doing. Her game.

514
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,799
Speaker 1: I will say straight up that AW has one of

515
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:13,319
the most the poorest booking efforts for the women, but

516
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,519
the greatest women's locker room in professional wrestling. And though

517
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,599
they have all the best women's wrestlers on Earth next

518
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,759
bar a couple of women in CMLL and new stardom.

519
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:29,759
But yeah, let's shift directions here. We are onto the

520
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:34,759
Fatal four way. I'm personally sick of this feud and

521
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,440
want the belt to go on J White. But do

522
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,839
you guys think this is gonna work?

523
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:45,079
Speaker 6: I do. I think there's gonna be some twist in

524
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:51,119
the tail that hasn't been revealed yet. It's interesting to

525
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,920
me that they're doing a trios match this tomorrow. I

526
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,839
guess on Dynamite it's gonna be Moxley, Wheeler and Claudia.

527
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:05,279
I think it is no pack. I'm sorry against J White, Orange,

528
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,640
Cassidy and Hangman. And you know they're gonna tell the

529
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,960
whole story of can they coexist? And it's like, uh, yeah,

530
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,839
they can coexist. I'm looking at them on my TV s.

531
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: It's a typical It's a typical go home show where

532
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,079
you put everybody involved in the main event in a match,

533
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,920
except this.

534
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 6: Isn't the go home show because there's still two weeks

535
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:28,680
to go.

536
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Are they actually gonna be airring? Are they going to

537
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,160
be airing aw Dynamite next week?

538
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna be done on Sunday. I think it's taped

539
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,680
on Sunday. Ah, okay, because they're not.

540
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: Going to be all right.

541
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:46,599
Speaker 2: I was thinking this was the next nevermind.

542
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: Isn't that the Hammerstein Show? Isn't that answer?

543
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

544
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:52,799
Speaker 4: I believe too.

545
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amaton's next week.

546
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: Look, it comes down to this.

547
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 5: You can either enjoy what's going on with the Death

548
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,720
Riders or you can watch and just hang out and

549
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,720
watch it. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's

550
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,599
gonna be an interesting match. It's just gonna be it's good.

551
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960
This match especially, it's gonna end up being a it's

552
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,720
just gonna be a banger. It's gonna go out, they're

553
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,240
gonna have everybody in the ring all the time. It's

554
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,039
gonna be a typical multimn match. It's not gonna prove anything.

555
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,160
Can the four way work, It'll work.

556
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,119
Speaker 2: It's the it's the logical step.

557
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,599
Speaker 5: To involve a better class of people instead of going

558
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,640
after the young people like they were doing in the beginning.

559
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: This is the next step.

560
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: After this, It's gonna probably be Darby or somebody else

561
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,319
that's at that level. Hell, it could even be MGF,

562
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,960
who knows. But it's it's that factor. Where they're gonna

563
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,559
keep the title on mocks. I think he's gonna beat

564
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,400
Orange Cassidy again at the four way.

565
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,599
Speaker 2: That would mean a lot of room between Huh.

566
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: He can't be for of their best. If he beats

567
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,680
for their best Queen, then the storyline needs to be

568
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:07,519
over less the Shenanigans involved. Then that puts who's left?

569
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,039
I mean, at some point it has to be the

570
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,640
give and take. And if you beat the four best,

571
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,640
who's been a champion? Hey Man's been a champion? Are

572
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,440
two deserve to be champions? Orange Cassidy's done lost him

573
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,880
a couple of times? So what's the point? Who who

574
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,559
would be left? At some point? I think they're certainly

575
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,599
somebody else is going to join a lot of people

576
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,960
think FTR is going to join them. I don't know,

577
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,200
but some we're going to turn the page somehow in

578
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,160
the storyline or else it's dead in the water.

579
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:37,519
Speaker 2: I do.

580
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 6: I disagree with that. Also, you still have the elite

581
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,599
that have to come back, and you have ind.

582
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,279
Speaker 5: There are so many people that could be involved with

583
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,400
the Death Riders. You could have FTR come out because

584
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,319
they've already got involved with them. So that's the next step.

585
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Instead of being against one person that's against the FTR

586
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,279
the next one after that or FTR in Derby.

587
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Or anybody, they should win. There's no reason for John

588
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:09,000
Moxley to be They're not a team. It's all the

589
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:10,160
goal is to get rid of.

590
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna have that's not gonna happen.

591
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,279
Speaker 5: What's gonna end up happening is and he's gonna pin

592
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Orange Cassidy again, which is gonna leave the option for

593
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,640
the other two to have another shot.

594
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,319
Speaker 2: That's the logical path for this. There isn't.

595
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 5: This is it's way, way, way, way way too early

596
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,160
to end the Death Riders and the storyline is going

597
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,160
on because then you've wasted six months of time on that.

598
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: I agree right now you're spendings.

599
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,559
Speaker 6: I mean, like I sudden, I boy agree with you

600
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,119
on this, and I said this last week and I'm

601
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:47,359
gonna continue to say it. The way they're setting up

602
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,039
this fatal four way based on how we got here

603
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:56,920
with you know, Jay Wayne uh Hangman having their two matches,

604
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,960
Moxley depending against Orange cast it feels like they're kind

605
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,519
of setting it up like WrestleMania thirty nine in the

606
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:12,240
respect that in that match for the Intercontinental Championship, Seamus

607
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,759
and Drew McIntyre kind of canceled each other out because

608
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,880
they were focused more so on each other than they

609
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,480
were on Dunther And in this match, I kind of

610
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,559
think it could go the same way where Jay White

611
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,359
and Hangman are kind of focused so much on each

612
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,880
other they kind of forget about Hangman or I'm sorry,

613
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,119
uh Moxley and Orange Cassie, do you at least see

614
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:39,000
what I'm saying there?

615
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: I fully agree with you Rowins, I agree.

616
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,359
Speaker 7: It was a complete like there was a point counter

617
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,480
they counteracted each other exactly. I know, Den was the

618
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,039
same thing that's gonna happen with Hangman at them page

619
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,200
and Jay White it's the same thing. And then Orange

620
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,799
Cassidy he's gonna get I think either Da or whoever

621
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,679
is gonna run in and beat up on Cassidy.

622
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,159
Speaker 1: Mar Well Kelson made a very good yeah. Kelson made

623
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,239
a very good point in the chat. He said, the

624
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,360
logical the only logical path to that is for one

625
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,360
of the three to turn on the other two. I mean,

626
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,199
like and honestly right now, the only person I couldn't

627
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,000
imagine that would do that is Orange Cassidy. Even then,

628
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,480
I can kind of see that happening too, I mean,

629
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:41,079
like the other what's up? Yeah, I could totally totally see,

630
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
but like, well, if you can't beat them, join them, right.

631
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,519
We've seen this a million times in professional wrestling.

632
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,159
Speaker 5: But like Rolla said, it's gonna end up exactly like

633
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,239
that happens, is the way it always happens when you

634
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,440
have these kind of matches. They're all gonna get a

635
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,880
turn in a ring with with with with.

636
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,199
Speaker 2: Uh Max, They're all gonna get beat out on.

637
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 5: They're all gonna do that, and then something's gonna happen

638
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:09,519
where uh Cowboy's gonna hit Jay White or vice versa,

639
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,400
which is gonna get them out of the ring and

640
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,360
they're gonna start going at it outside and Orange is

641
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,639
gonna get the pin. That's what's gonna happen. And then

642
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,400
you still leave, like I said, You're gonna leave the

643
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,920
opening for those two. This will be the last for

644
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Orange will either turn or he'll be done for a

645
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,760
while because he won't have another reason to be in

646
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,599
this match anymore.

647
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think no, I think Youda is gonna run

648
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,599
in and hopefully not put a plustic bag of Orange.

649
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: Then, but I have I have involved in the finish.

650
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,159
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing.

651
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: The first the first setup, they went against Orange and

652
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880
he got beat Everybody's like, oh, what's gonna happen?

653
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: Now?

654
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,679
Speaker 2: Who they gonna go?

655
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,119
Speaker 5: Then they had a stepped up hugely by involving two

656
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:58,000
of the top guys that are that are pretty much

657
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,119
totally opposite and have had part with each other. And

658
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,639
you throw Orange in there, which, okay, that's just to

659
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,599
keep him active in.

660
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:06,199
Speaker 2: It, I guess.

661
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 5: But your step up is it's been going gradually. The

662
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,760
next after this pay per view, you'll have another step up.

663
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: It'll either be because FTR has been attacked by them.

664
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,599
You'll either have it to go against.

665
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 5: FTR for a while, or FTR and Darby or FTR

666
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,679
and Orange or whoever. But there's always gonna be the

667
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,440
next step will be a bigger thing until it builds

668
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,280
to the final where it's ends up where either everybody

669
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,800
that's on Marxrais side gets taken out and then he loses,

670
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,280
or something major will happen down the road.

671
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,559
Speaker 2: But it's still too early.

672
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:48,559
Speaker 3: That world's end. We'll start a new chapter, so we'll

673
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:49,559
see I mean.

674
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: We got Wolf in the chat and he made a point.

675
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,800
He said, Darby doesn't have a match during this pay

676
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,320
per view. What if they do an angle before or

677
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,440
at the beginning of the show where the Death Riders

678
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,840
take out one of the participants in TK replaces that

679
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,880
participant with Darby.

680
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,199
Speaker 2: Allen, that could happen, could be.

681
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 7: Orange, I didn't even think about that.

682
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,039
Speaker 4: That could be. That could end up being the greatest

683
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,280
thing ever. This could angle.

684
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,519
Speaker 2: I got. I got a question for you.

685
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,039
Speaker 6: Push back on that, Shane, is because Darby is involved

686
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,960
with the C two and the semi.

687
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, I mean like they did. They just

688
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,480
did just cut. They did just cut that promo with

689
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Osprey and Darby talking about their match, and then they

690
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
agreed that. Darby said I'm still doing whatever I'm doing

691
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,079
in spite of the C two, and Osprey said, well,

692
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,360
I need to we win the C two. But I

693
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,320
got your back. You know, after this is done and

694
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,199
over with, I mean, it's probable that like Darby is

695
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,599
gonna keep doing what he's doing.

696
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 5: But let me ask you a question real quick. So

697
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,679
we went into this talking about how the Death Riders needed.

698
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: To change something, and so the last fifteen minutes. All

699
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,239
we've come up was about fifty different things that could happen.

700
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,199
Speaker 5: And this is this is exactly what this what what

701
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,679
this storyline is about.

702
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: It's about being unpredictable. Everybody complained there's not enough unpredictability.

703
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,559
Speaker 3: Aw, it's not unpredictable right now? Sure it is, because yes,

704
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,199
it's been NonStop beat down after beatdown, and at some

705
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:25,199
point there's no given take, so what so what? At

706
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,039
some point you get tired. It's like the nWo I

707
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:31,079
got tired them. Every week Boom, We're going to beat

708
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,559
down and the end scene was then beating down people

709
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,679
and laying them in the ring.

710
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:36,119
Speaker 2: That was it.

711
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,519
Speaker 3: At some point you have to say we're going to

712
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,239
give a give and take. And if you can't do that,

713
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,599
then that's not a storyline. That's a one side of storyline.

714
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, but here's the thing. And I know Kelson last

715
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,800
week was saying like it's bad timing for them to

716
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,920
be doing this storyline alongside the Sea too, and I say, no,

717
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,519
it's not like you have these two stories if you

718
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,280
want to call it, that are going to be more different.

719
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,920
Like C two is everybody wants to go after the

720
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,960
Continental Championship, whereas with the Death Rier's story, the World

721
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:25,000
Championship is secondary. Moxley is like, I have the power,

722
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,519
so that's what the Death Rier's story is about. So

723
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,280
it's I think it's fine that they're running these two

724
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,920
story stories or whatever you want.

725
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,199
Speaker 2: To call them.

726
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 6: At the same time, I don't see an issue.

727
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Max Caster. You know, Max Caster having

728
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,960
a huge social networking presence as in anything new to anyone,

729
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,599
as he continues to find himself in trouble with AEW's

730
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:57,480
disciplinary Committee on a pretty frequent basis, this time controversially

731
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:01,519
stirring over Ricky starts telling or if Maxcaster telling Ricky

732
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:07,039
Starks to leave AW amid an extended television absence, amongst

733
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,559
other very controversial things He's posted to his personal x

734
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,920
during the Electric Times and pen post. I'm going to

735
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,960
turn to our residential Ricky Stark's specialist here, Rollins. What

736
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,639
do you have to what do you have to say

737
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:25,800
on this topic?

738
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,079
Speaker 6: This is just like, this is just hilarious to me

739
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,960
that since Max Caster has kind of taken on this

740
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:42,639
whole best wrestler a live character attitude, whatever you want

741
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:49,880
to say, he's kind of gone on this tirade, and actually, Shane,

742
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,440
it's interesting I want to kind of bring you back

743
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,199
in to this because you said some you put an

744
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,840
interesting idea in the chat in our other server the

745
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,440
other day. I think it was where you think this

746
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,079
could be like a bait and switch with Ricky Starks

747
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,119
m Max Cast in terms of the Hurt Syndicate. So

748
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,960
if you want, I'll let you elaborate a little bit

749
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,480
more on that.

750
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I I don't think that I mean

751
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,800
to me right now, it makes more sense that, you know,

752
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,840
Max Caster at this point tries to join the Hurt

753
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,400
Syndicate and they turn him down and end up recruiting

754
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,920
somebody else. I could foresee any of I could see Ricochet,

755
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,800
I could see any of the three members of the

756
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,039
guys do get it on on ring of honor like

757
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,599
like there is. I could see Leo Rush and its

758
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,960
action Andretti in favor of having another strong tag team

759
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,280
in the in the faction. I mean, I think Max

760
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,239
Caster is in for you know, uh, I think he

761
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,599
had Karmas coming to get him at some point. You know,

762
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:52,440
he's he's flu under the radar a lot of times.

763
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,760
The things that he's been allowed to do and you know,

764
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:59,440
cross those lines. So I just I'm not confident that

765
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,400
Max Cast there's gonna be on our televisions for very

766
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,360
much longer. I think he might take it be taken, Yeah,

767
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,840
that I don't think. I think he's gonna be taking

768
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,519
the Ricky Ricky Starks doghouse snaps sooner than later.

769
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 6: I just I'm personally just enjoying this whole storyline. I

770
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:24,400
don't know why. There's just something about this, like Max Caster,

771
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,559
is he gonna join the Hurt Syndicate? Is it like

772
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,239
a work or whatever phrase you want to call it.

773
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,519
I don't know, there's just something about it. I'm really enjoying.

774
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Well, so let's be serious.

775
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,519
Speaker 5: Is Max Cast Do you think Max Caster is Hurt

776
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:43,519
Syndicate material?

777
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:44,559
Speaker 2: Really?

778
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,559
Speaker 4: No, he's not even close.

779
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 5: No, honestly, honestly, of all the people on the ae

780
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,440
W roster, the only person that I could honestly truly

781
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,159
see being part of that group.

782
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: Would be Hobbes. Yeah, there's nobody else.

783
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 5: There's nobody else that fits that bill in a e W,

784
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:05,800
there's not.

785
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: The bill.

786
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: Ricochet doesn't fit the bill, you know, Max Caster definitely

787
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,119
don't fit the bill. But I think Max's mouth is

788
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,719
going to get him gone for a long time.

789
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: He needs to.

790
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 7: But no, but Hobbs and the Hurt sign kid, now

791
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,760
that would that would be fantestic.

792
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: It won't happen.

793
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,079
Speaker 5: You know why, because Hobbs wants a He needs a

794
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,639
face run. He needs a complete face run bringing like

795
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:40,440
he said he he may had an interview and I

796
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,440
can't remember it was, but he said that he plans

797
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,920
on bringing more of his personality, his real personality into

798
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,519
his character.

799
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: I hate that.

800
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,199
Speaker 6: Just to explain myself a little bit about why I

801
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:02,000
could see Max Caster uh possibly joined the Hurt Syndicate

802
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,840
and I responded to but Furon in our other discord

803
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,239
server about this. I think MVP believes that if he

804
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:17,719
pairs Max Caster alongside Shelton Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, then

805
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,320
he can shape Max into something more than just a

806
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,559
tag team wrestler.

807
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: So you don't have a talent to be a singles

808
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,199
singles person. He's not Anthony Bows at all.

809
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 5: No, if you're gonna take somebody from that team and

810
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,039
put him into Hurt Syndicate, it's Bowen's. Bowens might fit

811
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,480
now forgot about him. He probably would fit in there. Too,

812
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,880
but he is I don't I don't think he I

813
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,920
don't think he fits for the his I just don't

814
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,280
see him changing to a full on heel like the

815
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,320
Hurt syndicate needs.

816
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,159
Speaker 6: You might but that can be a blue shipper, But

817
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,320
I mean, yeah, definitely.

818
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 5: I mean, and he does fit that blue chip thing

819
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:00,639
because he used to be a baseball player. He was

820
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,639
a pretty decent baseball player from what I heard, mm hmm.

821
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,519
But I don't know, I don't see I just don't

822
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,599
see a need for another person in the her syndicate.

823
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:12,519
Speaker 3: I would like Lee Moriarty to be in there, something

824
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,719
like that, someone who needs to be called up. I

825
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,280
think Lee Moriarty is still the the Ring of mar

826
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,840
Pure Champions. But yeah, well what about it. He's unutilized

827
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,960
and get him off of there. And really they need

828
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,559
a young guy. They have the core group, but they

829
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,440
need a younger person. Uh. There's been things about like

830
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,960
queen and out of going over there and being uh

831
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,440
and being there female in that group. That wouldn't be

832
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:40,159
so bad to either.

833
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:44,559
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate. What about Ricky Starks.

834
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,199
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with him in it, but

835
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,840
he's gonna have to come back and tell everybody he's

836
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,880
fully on board with a w AND and stop trying

837
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,400
to have one foot out the door.

838
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 6: I mean you you definitely have my attention by saying

839
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,280
that Shane's.

840
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: Friday. Friday Friday is gonna have a you know, m K.

841
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,199
Speaker 5: I think you said earlier that there's gonna be that

842
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,679
there's gonna be a new chapter. And AW started at

843
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,760
World's end, same as last year. That was what their

844
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,280
big deal was. They said it's gonna AW is gonna

845
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,920
change after that, as sure as hell did because you

846
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:23,320
had the bigger storylines for the women. You've had other

847
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,320
things come around that they completely changed everything with with

848
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,000
the m j F and and them. If it wouldn't

849
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,119
have been for the injuries, imagine where we'll be right

850
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,360
now with this whole The AW be a totally different

851
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,440
place if you didn't have Cole and MJF hurt. I

852
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:43,440
think that Friday is the r o H pay per view,

853
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,360
and that r o H pay per view is going

854
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,320
to be a major, major turning point in r o H.

855
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,480
And a lot of the people were talking about, like

856
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:56,320
Lee Moriarty and and some of them, they're gonna They're

857
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,079
gonna be tied in and it's gonna be I think

858
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,679
there's gonna finally be a separation between r O H

859
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,719
and a W because they're going to need to separate

860
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,559
because of the the way things are going to change.

861
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: For r O H.

862
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if they get that true TV contract. I

863
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:17,360
mean r oh yeah, that's great. I mean that's fantastic

864
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,639
for them. I mean it gets given finally giving people

865
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,199
access to Ring of Honor without the necessity of the

866
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,679
Honor Club subscription. Now the real question is, you know

867
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,800
what happens when they need to throw Ring of Honor

868
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,800
programming onto a streaming service outside of its dedicated streaming

869
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,159
service and ever to be maybe to be.

870
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,519
Speaker 3: But would that hurt the MAX thing? Or they together

871
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:44,360
or how does that work? Without anything about t B?

872
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,679
Speaker 1: I believe if now let me give me thirty seconds,

873
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:49,280
I believe to BE.

874
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: To BE to B is involved? Is it to be?

875
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:55,360
I can't I use both of them. I can't think

876
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,519
of which one. What to B is to B? I think?

877
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:58,280
Has is it with.

878
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: Fox three stuff?

879
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: No?

880
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 5: No, they have a lot of shows on like if

881
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:08,239
it's on FI. It's like if you what's like on

882
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,079
TBS and tn T. They have a lot of the

883
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,960
stuff is going to be and if it's not already,

884
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,599
but a lot of the shows they show on there

885
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,039
will be on Max the next day. I think a

886
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:21,280
lot of stuff on Fox will.

887
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: Be on to me like the day after.

888
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's to me, it's too.

889
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,079
Speaker 3: Like that, but I.

890
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: Think yeah to b is Yeah, it's a Fox. Uh,

891
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,800
it's it is a Fox own company, so it is

892
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,400
Fox adjacent and correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the

893
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,760
international network deals for aw haven't they shifted? Isn't like

894
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,119
in Canada? You know, Dynamites going to us A and

895
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,920
then you know Fox dropped the WWE all over Earth

896
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,880
and now WWE's on TBS and.

897
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,079
Speaker 3: And uh and talks on Mexico.

898
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

899
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:08,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's all jumbled up right now. I mean

900
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,239
curious how that would translate out to American audiences if

901
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,159
they ever streamlined that or what service? You know, what

902
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,239
if I for me, you know, if I ever wanted

903
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,880
to see a ring of I like, I pay for

904
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,159
Honor Club. But it's that and the only thing you

905
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,480
really get out of it, yeah, is the legacy matches,

906
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,599
Because I mean, not that the not that it's regular programming.

907
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:29,880
Programming isn't watchable it is. I just you know, all

908
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,119
of the best things that happened on ROH happened in

909
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,199
between twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen.

910
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: So there's just too much.

911
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: One on AWTV for me to keep up with Ring

912
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,280
of Honor. That's why I think that they went on

913
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,480
two B. I could go and watch TV at a

914
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:43,000
later date.

915
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: True.

916
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure how that would look, you know,

917
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,760
bring the platform is free, but I guess we will.

918
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,840
We'll see in the future. So anyone has anyone have

919
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,719
anything else they want to expand on that, you know

920
00:49:56,199 --> 00:50:01,519
topic before we wrap it up with potpourri? No, all right,

921
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,159
all right, moving along, So we're gonna get to Pope Marie.

922
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,760
This is the part of the part of our pod

923
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,920
where everyone, you know, if they have something want to

924
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,119
bring to the table that wasn't covered during our scheduled programming,

925
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:13,079
the more than welcome to do. So, I of course

926
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,480
will go last. If I have anything, We'll just go

927
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:17,559
around the room. Max he got anything for us today?

928
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 8: And I got that no oay, So one of the

929
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:32,960
things I have to possibly add to what we haven't

930
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,679
discussed already is I know.

931
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,039
Speaker 7: I just want to touch back on the whole GCW.

932
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:43,480
Ricky starts this. That has the potential and I didn't

933
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,440
really get to that rate on it earlier, but it

934
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,800
has the potential to be the best thing we've seen

935
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,159
all year from a W has the It has so

936
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,639
much potential. I actually cannot wait to see what we

937
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,320
get from this. I want to I am iam seed

938
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,079
it and I am ready for this.

939
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Mh shaddy, what do you got?

940
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,599
Speaker 5: I want to bring up the I've seen some stuff

941
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:15,000
in the reddit and on the thing about the upcoming cards,

942
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:18,440
and one of the matches that I'm kind of wondering

943
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,840
about to discuss with my son is the Mina Shera

944
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:26,719
Cow versus Mercedes Monee for the their title for title.

945
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,360
She's the Rev Pro, Mina's the Rev Pro Champion and

946
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,920
the UH.

947
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a match at the UH pay per

948
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,039
view in Japan, and I was discussing with my son

949
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,599
the other day and I'm kind of hoping that she did.

950
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,199
I don't think they're gonna do it.

951
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 5: I pray that if it's a title for title, they

952
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,440
do not put both those titles on monette.

953
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: I think Mina needs to win them both, and I'm

954
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,920
praying that she gets to win there.

955
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,679
Speaker 5: And honestly, I think Monee needs to have no titles

956
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,559
for it to see what she can do with her

957
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:02,679
character without titles.

958
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 7: I agree that, fully agree they need to. I guess

959
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,440
give A gives the Mercedes Monday character. I guess that

960
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,159
that soft reset for the new year. We need that

961
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:19,239
soft reset. Put the titles on Mina voice cement her

962
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:23,159
I guess exit of stardom and and her entrance into

963
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:27,239
full full entrance into the aw four. This once again,

964
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,119
this could be some fun. It could be fun, and

965
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:31,239
it could be refreshing.

966
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Uh wow, I want to make a backwards comment on

967
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,400
all of that, but uh like the move on to

968
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,760
really tough time to be a CEO CEO in America

969
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,719
right now, guys, go ahead, rollins down.

970
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's not expand more on that.

971
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we won't.

972
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,119
Speaker 6: I'm very interested in this tag team match that's happening

973
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:04,039
tomorrow Chris Cage and Hug versus or No, I'm sorry

974
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,719
I said that wrong, Christian Cage and Nick Wayne versus

975
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,199
Hook and Katiyori Shabata. That that leads me to believe

976
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,599
Samoa Joe is coming back soon.

977
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,079
Speaker 1: Well the did they wrap the shooting for Twisted Metal

978
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:23,679
Season two?

979
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,639
Speaker 5: That I don't know, but I think last week someone

980
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:29,599
said that they were doing reshoots.

981
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 6: My guess is, if you're bringing Shabbaya back into My

982
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,519
guess is if you're bringing Shabaa back into it. That

983
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,480
leads me to believe Samoa Joe is coming back because

984
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,480
those three have kind of been running together for a while.

985
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,320
But I'm kind of like, I'm enjoying the feud, but

986
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,039
it's been annoying at the same time because it feels

987
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,199
like it's been kind of it's been so disjointed, Like

988
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:02,000
you'll get something from Christian Cage and then it'll be

989
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:04,400
a few weeks and then Hook randomly shows back up.

990
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,159
I'm like, I want to enjoy this few Like, well,

991
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:13,360
it's just been so disjointed.

992
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,599
Speaker 5: But you only got so much TV time, so you

993
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:17,760
get some stuff in, you get some stuff you don't.

994
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently Twisted Metal Season two stopped. Uh they were

995
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:31,119
done with the reshoots on November. The fourth will come back, Yeah,

996
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:33,679
let's hope. So, abkay, what do you got for us?

997
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 3: I want to get a huge shout out to their

998
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,519
their content off of TV. I want to I watched

999
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:50,400
Matt cardonas hey w I loved it there mention a mirror.

1000
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,800
I haven't watched the full thing of of that with

1001
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,039
Orange Cassie and Willow, but it gives an opportunity for

1002
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,400
talent to show off who they are besides in the

1003
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:03,159
ring and Orange Cat Casside seems out seems like a

1004
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:04,599
guy that I would have liked to hanging out with.

1005
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,440
He seems like a very full guy. He's around my

1006
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,199
age anyway, so he's a cool guy. And it just

1007
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:13,159
shows off what they.

1008
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 4: Can do well.

1009
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,159
Speaker 3: Like I said with Cardona, I think Cardona could bring

1010
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:21,800
some more content to their YouTube and and stuff and

1011
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,639
you know, kind of do toys and stuff like that,

1012
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,599
since they're connected with that pretty heavy and stuff. I

1013
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,599
just like what they're doing and stuff. I would love

1014
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,159
for them to do more stuff like that and keep

1015
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,639
on building on it because it's it's tremendous for people

1016
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:41,639
to get to know who the rest of us are

1017
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,519
and identify them better than just seeing them on TV

1018
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:46,480
all the time. As as wrestlers.

1019
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,599
Speaker 1: You know, I want to comment on that, if they

1020
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,519
they've had the opportunity to grow their social media presence

1021
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:58,039
on dozens of occasions, Ethan Page, Brody King, Smart Mark Sterling,

1022
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,920
Dan Housen specifically one of the biggest independent merchsellers in

1023
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,280
the history professional wrestling, Like who is still monetizing you

1024
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,079
know his social media presence as Dan Housen not being

1025
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:14,519
on AW two television. Pulling Cardona over for it seems

1026
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:18,159
like a cheap way to get something that you've had

1027
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,480
in your back pocket the entire time you've been a company.

1028
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:27,559
Speaker 3: But Dan House is not Cordona. I don't care to

1029
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:31,000
listen to Dan Houson anymore. I've lost all interest in him.

1030
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:33,480
He was a nice little side show, but he's not Cardona,

1031
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000
and he doesn't have the backstory and all that that

1032
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,559
I enjoy with Cardona.

1033
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: Simply, you have barely spoken this pod.

1034
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:49,519
Speaker 9: Bring us home, Okay, let's see. Oh, I know, I

1035
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:54,280
wanted to talk a little bit about the GCW aspect

1036
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,639
that we haven't touched on. Something with a W and

1037
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,440
GCW that I heard about maybe two or three months

1038
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:11,960
ago was Megan Bain, who is in GCW being interested

1039
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:15,679
in coming over to ae W. She's one of my

1040
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,920
favorite women wrestlers. I like her a lot She's really great,

1041
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:26,679
and I think that if AW and GCW is doing something,

1042
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,960
I think that there is potential for Megan Bain to

1043
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:35,760
be worked into this story. And it also works in

1044
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:41,760
with Joey Janella, who she is dating in real life.

1045
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,519
And I've heard Joey Janella over the past couple of

1046
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:52,400
months express interest in coming back into AW himself. So

1047
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:57,320
I think that it goes a little bit beyond Chris

1048
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:03,440
Jericho and Matt and and Cardona and Starks. I think

1049
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:07,599
that there are some other people in the GCW company

1050
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:14,760
that have interest in AW that we very well may see,

1051
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,679
you know, on TV with them pretty soon in some

1052
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,519
crossover matches or something like that. And I also have

1053
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:29,880
adored Dan Housen, but he has aggravated me lately. He

1054
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,079
also is over there in GCW, so who knows, maybe

1055
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,920
he'll come back and bother us some more.

1056
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 6: And that's my takee.

1057
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:41,079
Speaker 1: Well, So in terms of something I wanted to expand

1058
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:43,159
on that, and I'll use that as my potpourri is

1059
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:45,920
how intelligent it is for AW to have working relationships

1060
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,480
with all of these indie corporations, especially the indie corporations

1061
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,199
that are on a larger scale like GCW, who arguably

1062
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,719
could be considered to be like in that top tier,

1063
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,199
like definitely at the very bottom. I mean like it'd

1064
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:05,639
be like WWE, AEW, New Japan, TNA, and then like

1065
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,039
four more promotions later like AW all the way at

1066
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:11,079
the boo oh not AW. Excuse me, I can't even

1067
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:13,239
talk today. This is my whole, entire, the entire day.

1068
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,320
GCW at the bottom of that list. The GCW certainly

1069
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,639
has a lot to offer. They are more deathmanch oriented

1070
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:23,239
and they do a lot of more real life combat

1071
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,039
sports jiu jitsu type stuff. But I do believe it

1072
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,039
is a good working promotion to have a relationship with,

1073
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,360
you know, especially you know that they've grown a lot

1074
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,719
of AW main roster guys before they became AW main

1075
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,719
roster guys. So it's a good landing ground. And with that,

1076
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,239
anyone hells they have anything they want to say and

1077
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,360
bring the show back around.

1078
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to expand on

1079
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,440
what you were saying. I think it's cool as hell

1080
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:52,519
because for years and years and years all we had

1081
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:56,719
was WWE and they didn't work with anybody. All of

1082
00:59:56,719 --> 01:00:01,280
a sudden, AW comes alone and TK is slowly making

1083
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:07,599
one of the biggest wrestling empires ever seen. He works

1084
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:13,960
with everybody CMLLL, he works with New Japan, he works

1085
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,960
with possibly GCW. He works with everybody and anybody he

1086
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:21,880
can work with. And I think he is actually going

1087
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,000
to build something that will make WWE look so small,

1088
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:26,440
and I.

1089
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Love it, you know, honestly, like I want to believe

1090
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,000
in a perfect world that that could happen. I mean,

1091
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:37,559
WWE is the company that built professional wrestling out of America.

1092
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,519
It still holds, you know, the title of being the

1093
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,760
professional wrestling monopoly here in the continental US. Do I

1094
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,519
believe that there is a lot more professional wrestling that's

1095
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:51,039
worth watching than most of what happens on a ww programmer,

1096
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,440
Oh very much so. But you know, that's also been

1097
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,800
my flavor of professional wrestling preference. I watched WCW and

1098
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,800
ECW before I watched WWF back in the day. That's

1099
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,559
just what I preferred to watch. So I guess it's

1100
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,719
the different strokes for different folks scenario. But with that

1101
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,679
being said, I want to thank everyone who came to

1102
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,239
tune in to watch us this evening, the AW podcast team,

1103
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,840
the AW Fanhub podcast team, and everyone else. You guys,

1104
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,400
could tune in tomorrow evening for the Dynamite post show review.

1105
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:25,159
We'll get that started around ten fifteen. You know. That's

1106
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,280
all we got for this evening, folks. Thank you so

1107
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,239
much for turning in Cyanara.

1108
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,599
Speaker 2: Hey guys, take care everyone.

1109
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 4: Aye.

1110
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:34,159
Speaker 6: Bye