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We're prohibited by law 46 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.519 eighteen plus and conditions applying to see website for detail. 47 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.199 You are now listening to True Murder The most shocking 48 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.319 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 49 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:26.680 written about them Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every 50 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:30.400 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 51 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:34.680 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 52 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:50.280 host journalist and author Dan Zupansky. Good Evening. Peter Curtin, 53 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.039 a German who had been sent to prison for deserting 54 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.599 his comrades, sat in a cell contemplating what to do 55 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:59.479 when he got out. He had no control within the 56 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.719 prison wall, and it drove him mad. The things had 57 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.639 happened to him while in custody unlocked oppressed sadistic feelings 58 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.879 within Peter and forced him to unleash a level of 59 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:13.759 sexual deviancy on innocent victims in and around Dusseldorf, Germany 60 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:18.360 that no one will ever forget. Young girls, women, and 61 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:22.080 men would succumb to horrific attacks, including being bludgeoned by 62 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:26.560 a hammer and stabbed to death. In several instances. Peter 63 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:29.680 admitted to drinking blood from his victims and needing the 64 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.560 act of rape and murder to reach orgasm. Oddly, the 65 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:35.879 man lived a double life and his love for his 66 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.599 wife drove him to turn himself in. Had he not 67 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.919 done so, the monster would have continued to keep the 68 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:47.159 country locked in fear for many more years. The books 69 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.240 were featuring this evening His Monster, The True story of 70 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:54.039 serial killer Peter Curtin, with my special guest journalist and 71 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:58.759 author and detectives C. L. Swiney. Welcome back to the program, 72 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.800 and thank you very much for a great into this interview. 73 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.439 C L. Swinney, Hey, good morning. 74 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.199 Thanks for the second invite. I had a lot of 75 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.240 fun last time, so I'm hoping we can duplicate that 76 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:10.000 success today. 77 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:15.360 Absolutely, this is not taking anything away from list of ten. 78 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:21.639 This is one of the most infamous and notorious killers 79 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.000 in true crime history. It really does fit the bill 80 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.360 as one of the most shocking killers in true crime history. 81 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.000 Let's get to the reason why, other than this incredible 82 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.759 case itself, Why and how you came to be the 83 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:36.920 author of Monster? 84 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.319 Well, he's this story is about Peter Curtin. And I've 85 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.199 been kind of I've done nine to true crime books now, 86 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:48.279 and I kind of do books that are in the 87 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:52.720 United States or feature serial killers from the United States, 88 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.560 and then I do something from Europe, specifically around the UK. 89 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.720 So I was in the process of finished one book 90 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.680 and starting up a new case, and I started doing 91 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.560 some research for one of my other books and this 92 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:09.600 name Peter Curtin kept coming up. The thing that kind 93 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.519 of grabbed me about him was he's known as the 94 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:16.319 Vampire of Dusseldorf, and that kind of piqued my interests. 95 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.519 So that's what started it was just the title that 96 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.160 the media had given this serial killer back when he 97 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.079 was apprehended and when he started investigating his cases. So 98 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.120 you know, serial killers and themselves fascinate me, but one 99 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.519 called the Vampire of Dusseldorf really kind of caught my eye. 100 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.399 Absolutely. Now, as you're right, in your book you opened 101 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.079 with one of the crimes, one of his first heinous crimes. 102 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:51.160 But let's maybe go backwards and talk about his early life. 103 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.800 And you say he was born in moheim, Rhine across 104 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:57.519 from Cologne, Germany, came from a big family, eldest of 105 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.399 thirteen and a poor family. Tell us about his father 106 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.519 and the family life that he experienced. 107 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.720 So Peter is one of those guys who I believe 108 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:16.160 his environment, specifically his socialization at his family environment was 109 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.920 a very contributing factor to how he ended up becoming. 110 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.920 But his family. He was one of thirteen. Two of 111 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:28.839 his siblings passed away during his young childhood. So that 112 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.160 alone would be tough for a lot of people to handle. 113 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.120 When when you're a young child and you lose two 114 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.720 of your thirteen siblings, you know, it's just hard. Death 115 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:41.079 is hard on any of them. But Peter's environment was 116 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.720 actually made much worse by his alcoholic and abusive father. 117 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:51.399 His dad was terrible. There's no other, you know, definition 118 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.000 that I could think of, except for he himself was 119 00:06:54.040 --> 00:07:01.000 a monster. So he was an alcoholic and he's abused 120 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.720 his wife in front of the kids. He would be her. 121 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.680 Peter would would see this, he would try to stand 122 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.160 up to her, but the father was way too strong 123 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.279 and way too violent for Peter to do much. You know, 124 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.800 when he's he's in his teenage, he's you know, he 125 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.199 started seeing this when he's around ten, and through his 126 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.480 young teens, he's trying to defend his mom, but doesn't 127 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:27.519 work out. He ends up kind of flowing the target, 128 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.000 if you will, of his dad's rage from his wife 129 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.480 or from his Peter's mom to him himself. And so 130 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:41.000 his dad starts physically and verbally abusing Peter. But in 131 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.680 one particular incident when Peter was about thirteen, kind of 132 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.800 changed things for the family dynamic. Peter's father was actually 133 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.120 arrested for having what they called we used to call 134 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:01.560 it incest, but he Peter's father abused his own daughter 135 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:05.720 and he got arrested and convicted for that. And when 136 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:10.199 he left to go to prison, Peter's mom took the 137 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:13.439 rest of the plan and they kind of separated and 138 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.600 moved to Dusseldorf. So that that was the environment. So 139 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.560 you can imagine growing up young, losing to your siblings. 140 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.800 You have an abusive and alcoholic father who then ends 141 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.079 up raping his own one of his own daughters and 142 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.839 goes to prison. So that was the home life, if 143 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:30.519 you will, that Peter was exposed to. 144 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.200 You also talk about, and I think we should include 145 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.039 them because it's another good example of some of the 146 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:45.879 shaping of his character. You talk about when he goes 147 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.519 on a camping trip with two other boys, tell us 148 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:50.240 about this life. 149 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.919 Yeah, that's when the creepiness for me in the case 150 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.039 starts to come out, you know, for the red flags 151 00:08:58.039 --> 00:08:59.840 if you will, that we talk about you know, today 152 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:04.639 out things you see that clearly makes people wonder. So 153 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.840 Peter's on a Peter gets invited to a camping trip. 154 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.360 During that trip, they were doing a lot of canoeing, 155 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.879 and at some point on the second day of this 156 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:21.000 camping trip, Peter essentially throws a kid overboard. And Peter 157 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.399 had experienced a growth spurts, so he was a little 158 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.600 bit bigger than the rest of the other kids in 159 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.039 that camping trip, and he was physically stronger than all 160 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:33.879 the kids, and essentially he throws this kid overboard and 161 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.480 makes it appear as though he's trying to rescue the kid, 162 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.440 the victim, but he ends up holding the kid down 163 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:47.320 underwater and basically drowns him. So that was that had 164 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:51.080 to be an indicator of things going wrong. But Peter 165 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.639 was very manipulative. He was already starting to learn how 166 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.720 to manipulate people. So as that story came out, when 167 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.480 they got down to the spot they were supposed to 168 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.519 meet up with the adults. You know, Peter had convinced 169 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.720 the other kid in the boat, hey, this was an accident. 170 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:10.799 We tried, Yeah, yeah, we tried. He started making himself cry, 171 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.200 and they told this story to the adults and they 172 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:17.240 ended up rescuing or retrieving the body of the child victim. 173 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.759 But that was the first thing. So we know now 174 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.960 that he had held the kid down and killed it 175 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.679 and murdered this you know child or young child like 176 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.639 he was, but he had convinced the adult that it 177 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.399 was an accident, and that to me was the big 178 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.159 red flag. There'd be events that follow that time, but 179 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.320 that was the one that was like, okay, we you've got, 180 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.320 you know, some serious issues here with this child. 181 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.759 Now, I don't know if this is according to and 182 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:48.799 me can tell us who this is according to. But 183 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:54.320 at you say, when they moved to Dusseldorf, every boy 184 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.799 is looking for a male figure, an adult male figure, 185 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:03.120 for influence, and so he needs somebody that doesn't beat him. 186 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.480 But he's the local dog catcher. So tell us what 187 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.559 the local dog catcher is interested in and how much 188 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:15.120 on what he influences young Peter to experience. 189 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.360 Yeah, So, so source wise, this comes from from Peter himself, 190 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:26.360 from his statements, including a court documents and prison records. 191 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.000 So that's where the sources for this story. But it 192 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:32.519 comes directly from Peter himself. Peter was very proud of 193 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.720 what he had done and become. So he was very 194 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:38.639 open with his information, which is to me a little 195 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.679 bit spooky to hear that. But so, yeah, he runs 196 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.960 into a local guy. He's a dog dog catcher, you know, decent, 197 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.960 decent job and anale, a male, an older male, kind 198 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.360 of not necessarily a father figure, but like maybe an 199 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.759 older brother. And he starts hanging with this guy quite 200 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.840 a bit. So he's not hanging with his or kids 201 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:05.399 his age. He starts hanging with this dog catcher. At 202 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.600 some point, the dog catcher starts saying, hey, won't you, 203 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.679 you know, come with me. Maybe I'll kind of show 204 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.559 you the the ropes if you will. Peter's yeah, yeah, 205 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:19.000 he's he's all for it. Unfortunately, this dogcatcher was an 206 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:23.120 also despicable human being. His deal was he used to 207 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.879 torture and then kill many of the animals that he 208 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.720 would catch, and at some point he started talking about 209 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.399 getting Peter to do so. And Peter his claim is 210 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.639 that he resisted the temptation, if you will, to kill 211 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:46.399 or torture the animals, but at some point he basically 212 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:53.080 it admits to getting involved with torturing and killing the animals, 213 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.399 but it doesn't stop there, so for me, that's that's 214 00:12:55.480 --> 00:13:01.240 too much. But he continues. The dogcatcher starts showing him beastiality. 215 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.279 So these animals they start having sex with, and again 216 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:10.159 you have to sit and wonder, you know, how Peter's 217 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.559 mind was working and how this dog catcher had convinced 218 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.840 him to do so. But you know, we know Peter 219 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.200 killed a child on purpose when he was a few 220 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.600 years younger. Now he meets a dog catcher and he's 221 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.559 he's murdering and killing these dogs and then having sex 222 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:30.279 with these animals. You know that that's a recipe for disastery, 223 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:34.399 that there's no way somebody normal would do that or 224 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.039 come of that kind of childhood, you know what I mean. 225 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:42.600 Not just to be graphic, but I think it's important 226 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.720 since I got you to say where this source was 227 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.799 and is from Peter himself, and we'll talk about more 228 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.279 of what Peter has to say about his own life. 229 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.440 But one of the features of this of the dog 230 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:01.679 catcher and then of course of Peter being influenced by that, 231 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.120 is that that they have a particular feature involving the 232 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.879 slitting of the throat and then tied into the sexual orgasm. 233 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.919 Can you tell us what that is because later we 234 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:18.120 won't talk about why it's important, but people will understand 235 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:19.799 why that's so important in this. 236 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:25.919 Yeah. So when he when he was experiencing these beastiality 237 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.879 things of the dogcatcher, he clearly and proudly told the 238 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:32.559 court because he had a he had a short trial 239 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.120 was only ten days, but most of the trial was 240 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.960 pretty much Peter just having the floor and it just 241 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.519 you know, the way he talked, his charismatic way, and 242 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:46.080 what he was saying was so fascinates everybody. He's pretty 243 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.159 much held the court and one of the one of 244 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:51.080 the things he liked to do was when he would 245 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.639 drop a little bombshell on somebody when he was speaking. 246 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.759 He liked the reaction. He kind of craved the reaction 247 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:01.720 of people when he dropped these little bombshells and then 248 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.200 he would add to him and every time he would 249 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:09.759 add to it, seeking more kind of attention. In this scenario, 250 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.960 when he told the court and the people present and 251 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.799 reminds you there was a line of people trying to 252 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:19.759 get into this this trial, even even back then. He 253 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:22.799 then noticed when he said beastiality, that the people in 254 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.440 the courtroom are you know, repulsed and and and afraid 255 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.480 and scared, and he continued with that. So what he 256 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:34.639 advised the court and later the dog catcher UH testify 257 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.240 to and he was also arrested. Consequently, after Peter turned 258 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:42.759 himself in was they would also less slight uh slice 259 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.720 the throats of some of their animals, and for for 260 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.200 several times the dogcatcher would mimic as though he was 261 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.679 like sucking the blood of the neck of these these 262 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:57.519 dying dogs or dead dogs, trying to convince Peter to 263 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.159 do it. Well, Eventually, like everything else the dogcatcher had done, 264 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.559 he convinced Peter to give a try, and they both 265 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:06.639 kind of talked about when he had that first taste 266 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:11.519 of blood, Peter kind of craved it and kind of 267 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.000 got off on it and had a sexual tie to 268 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:19.039 it where he could almost ejaculate from the sense of 269 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.519 the animal's blood. So he actually would suck the blood 270 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:27.080 from these wounds. So it was another example within that 271 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:31.480 whole disgusting story of the Dogcatcher that just somebody somewhere 272 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:35.320 should have known, but only people knew her were Peter 273 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:36.159 and the Dogcatcher. 274 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:43.120 Let's skip ahead to nineteen fourteen and you talk about 275 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:48.559 he was in Kaiser's army. He joined willingly, but regretted 276 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.399 that decision. So tell us what the conditions were that 277 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.759 he joined and why he would regret the decision and 278 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.360 what was that outcome of that decision. 279 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.840 Yeah, so he he did join the military. He did so, 280 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:09.480 you're right, he did so willingly, but he was looking 281 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.759 forward to kind of causing mayhem. He wanted to murder 282 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:18.119 as many people as he could. He had fascinations in 283 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.039 his mind of what he would do to these people 284 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:21.839 if he was on the front mines, if you will, 285 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:25.519 and what he could get away with legally in his mind. 286 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:32.599 But the structure of having rank above him ordering him 287 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.160 to do stuff did not sit well with him at all. 288 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.680 From a young age, once his dad was arrested and 289 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.759 taken away, he kind of was in control of his 290 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.119 own destiny. In his mind, he was in charge and 291 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.400 he did what he wanted to do, and so when 292 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:54.839 he got into the military world, he did not do 293 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.799 well with having others ordering him around. He just basically 294 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.200 was bleed. He was in charge of himself and nobody 295 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.680 could tell him what to do, and when that became 296 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:12.400 too much, he basically deserted. So Peter left the military. Obviously, 297 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.720 you know, when you enlist and you're involved in military, 298 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:22.119 you're not allowed to do that. And Peter, Peter, he 299 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:25.960 doesn't care. Laws and structure don't don't exist in Peter's 300 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:28.799 mind at this point in his life. So he makes 301 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.400 a run for it, but he's he basically doesn't go 302 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.279 on the run. He just basically walks away. That comes 303 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.559 back to the to the higher ups in the military. 304 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.680 They go look for him. He's where he said he 305 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.960 would be, you know, kind of challenging them, like you know, 306 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:44.839 what are you gonna do about it? And they pick 307 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:49.119 him up and they they take him to a military 308 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.359 prison for being a deserter, and that starts a whole 309 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.640 new chapter of anger in Peter's mind. 310 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.599 You talk about the seven years he was in prison, 311 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.440 what was his behavior in prison? And tell us about 312 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:05.839 his behavior in prison. 313 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.079 So as you know, you can imagine if you go 314 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.720 from the structure of the military, of everybody telling you 315 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:13.519 what to do, and you're you're upset about it, you 316 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.440 don't want to do it, so you so you walk away. Well, 317 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:22.759 you know these German prisons around that time frame, you know, 318 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:28.319 in history were probably much worse as far as structures concerned. 319 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.920 So Peter thought he had it rough when he was 320 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.519 in the military, but now he's just he's in the 321 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.200 middle of probably the worst in his mind, what he 322 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.400 would attest to is the worst time of his life, 323 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.839 the worst period of his life. And when somebody says that, 324 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.759 and you know their their history of the physical and 325 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:50.519 mental abuse from his father, the losing of his siblings, 326 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.839 the murders, you know that he committed as a child, 327 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.519 the bestiality and all the other stuff. And now this 328 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:01.440 guy says being in custody is the worst time of 329 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.960 his life. That's saying something, and it shows you how 330 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:11.720 deeply it impacted Peter. But his statement that he gave 331 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.680 to the court and two investigators when he turned himself 332 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.440 in in this case was that the primary reason he 333 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:24.000 became a serial killer was because every single day, every hour, 334 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.680 and every minute he was in custody, he wanted to 335 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.640 make people pay for him being in custody. So he 336 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.160 sat in those cells, figured out how he wanted to 337 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:38.559 kill people who he wanted to kill, and if they 338 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.240 ever let him out of a cell, he got in trouble. 339 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:44.039 So he actually caught two more years of incarceration because 340 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.119 he was like a you know, and that's why we 341 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.000 used the term monster for the story. If Peter got 342 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.839 out of his cell, he would attack or try to 343 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.240 kill an inmate or staff member. So this was like 344 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.400 a caged animal in this prison. And eventually he gets released. 345 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.559 Yeah, you talk about his stay in solitary confinement, which 346 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:06.960 he kind of liked because he hated he thought he 347 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.319 was superior to others intellectually and socially, especially the people 348 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:16.799 in there. But interestingly too, he seems like he can adjust. 349 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.079 And he gets out and he doesn't tell his sister 350 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:24.079 about his military prison stay or the result and tell 351 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.319 us through his sister. She lets him stay in Altenburg 352 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:31.079 near Dresden. What happens as a result with his sister 353 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.440 and tell us who he meets. 354 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.519 So he goes. So Peter gets out and he kind 355 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:41.680 of like, you know, a lot of times when people 356 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:44.960 get out of jailed, there a lot of times we're 357 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:46.319 looking for a fresh start. 358 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.559 If you will. 359 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.559 And Peter, Peter had a lot of time to think, 360 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:56.599 but he also kind of missed his missed his family life. 361 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.759 Like he would kind of on the piphery, he would 362 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:05.160 kind of to keep tabs of his family, you know, 363 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.000 the remaining people in his family. And so he looked 364 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:14.279 up and tried to reconnect with his sister, and you know, 365 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:19.279 she was she was glad, super glad to welcome him 366 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.240 back into the house. And she's like, you know, hey, Peter, 367 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:26.200 where have you been. And Peter just said, well, it's 368 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.480 been out and about. You know, he didn't really explain 369 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.279 what had happened and and how his mind was working. 370 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.160 So he's talking to his sister as an older brother 371 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:39.079 would to a to his sister, but his mind's already 372 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:43.720 kind of moving forward as to you know, when when 373 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:45.960 is he going to start killing He's not, he has 374 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:52.119 no idea ideations of killing his sister, but he's thinking 375 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:53.960 about it. And then he ends up meeting a girl, 376 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.920 which was she became an intricate part of this whole 377 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:03.559 entire case. So he needs his wife to be proposes 378 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.599 to her quickly. She says yes, and they start, you know, 379 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:12.440 they're married couple. But interestingly enough, his wife that he 380 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:18.079 proposed to was also a murderer, unbeknownst to Peter. So 381 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:23.519 this gal was on the altar and was supposed to 382 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:27.960 get married to Osla and he no showed he left 383 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:32.920 her at the altar. This lady tracks down her her 384 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:36.319 fiance at the time, and kills him for leaving her 385 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.880 out the altar. She goes to prison, she serves her time, 386 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.000 and then she gets released and she's out in the 387 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:47.559 world and ends up meeting Peter Curtin. Can you imagine. 388 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.000 I mean, it's kind of bizarre. You know, two murders 389 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.240 that are on the earth and they bump into each 390 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.920 other and they end up getting married. 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